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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – July 11, 2016
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Built Heritage Sub-Committee meeting – July 11, 2016 – Audio Stream.
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
B
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
go
through
our
agenda
this
morning.
We
have
no
regrets
any
declarations
of
interest
from
members.
I
see
none
conformation
of
minutes
from
our
June
9th
2016
meeting.
Are
those
code?
Ok,
great,
ok!
In
terms
of
our
vendor.
We
have
two
items
today.
The
first
is
a
staff
presentation
and
the
second
is
a
regular
agenda
item
and
application
to
alter
the
Somerset
House
at
3-5
to
Somerset
Street
West.
B
C
Mr.
chair,
just
I
was
thank
you
for
introducing
the
the
research
assistants
just
a
little
background.
They've
been
the
strategic
initiative,
was
a
approved
for
this
term
of
counsel
and
staff
were
engaged
in
in
early
January
and
since
then
have
been
working
on
the
project
developing
in-house
a
an
app
to
gather
information
so
far,
they've
presented
in
the
community
to
Heritage,
Ottawa
and
and
some
community
groups
about
the
project.
So
we're
very
pleased
to
have
them
here
today
to
share
with
built
heritage
subcommittee
the
progress
of
their
work
to
date.
Thanks.
D
Good
morning,
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
council,
I'm
gonna
repeat
a
little
bit
of
what
sally
has
already
mentioned.
So
I
apologize
in
advance
I
have
a
strategic
initiative
which
we
are
calling.
The
Heritage
inventory
project
is
a
result
of
a
2015
to
2018
term
of
council
priority
and
this
project
ultimately
refreshed
the
city's
Heritage
Register.
A
thorough
analysis
of
the
city's
heritage
resources
has
not
occurred
for
over
30
years.
Much
of
the
information
we
collect
and
the
analysis
of
these
resources
will
be
made
available
through
geo
Ottawa.
D
So
the
main
part
of
the
project
involves
a
citywide
survey
of
mostly
buildings,
but
also
other
resources
and
those
can
include
bridges,
parks,
bonds,
etc.
A
statement
describing
the
geography,
heritage,
values
and
attributes
will
be
prepared
for
each
area
of
the
city
touring.
All
areas
of
the
cities
is
required,
usually
by
foot
in
the
central
part
of
the
city,
in
order
to
photo
document
each
resource.
As
we
leave
the
central
neighborhoods,
the
transport
will
be
utilized,
such
as
cars,
bikes
and
potentially
OC
Transpo.
D
D
Research
associate
of
the
heritage
inventory
project
involves
utilizing
the
wealth
of
institutions
available
to
us
in
Ottawa
and
the
rich
variety
of
published
local
history,
including
using
the
City
of
Ottawa
Archives,
the
National
Capital
Commission
library,
on
Elgon
Street,
and
also
we
take
advantage
of
the
shared
knowledge
available
to
us
from
our
colleagues
within
the
the
Heritage
Services
section.
In
addition,
we
work
with
local
historians,
heritage
organizations
and
community
groups.
D
An
important
component
of
this
project
is
community
outreach
in
order
to
explain
the
project
to
members
of
the
public.
We
coordinate
meetings
with
business
improvement
as
community
associations,
and
we
make
presentations
to
the
members
where
possible.
This
outreach
is
typically
done
as
we
venture
into
new
areas
of
the
city.
To
date,
we
have
met
with
the
Bank
Street
BIA
and
nine
community
groups
in
the
kitchen
CP
Ward,
in
addition
to
members
of
action,
Sandy
Hill
and
the
Lower
Town
Community
Association.
D
We
would
also
like
to
express
our
availability
to
meet
with
counselors,
who
would
like
to
discuss
the
project
in
more
detail.
We
have
met
with
councillor
Weber,
as
well
as
councillor
McKenna's
assistant
and
and
councillor
flurry
as
well.
Along
with
business
cards,
we
have
created
an
information
sheet
that
summarizes
the
project
and
can
be
distributed
to
anyone
showing
interest
in
the
project,
including
people
answer
on
the
street.
Who
are
wondering
why
we're
taking
photos
of
the
other
Street.
D
So
a
key
component
of
this
project
is
the
statement
of
heritage
significance,
which
is
written
for
each
neighborhood
of
the
city.
So,
first
this
the
city
is
divided
into
smaller
sub
areas
or
neighborhoods,
which
I
referred
to
as
neighborhood,
and
these
statements
are
referred
to
as
neighborhood
heritage
statements
or
NHS
as
part
of
phase
1.
The
area
within
the
Greenbelt
has
been
divided
into
14.
Neighborhoods
urban
areas
will
be
divided
into
sub
areas,
reflective
of
the
historic
development
patterns
of
the
city,
its
suburban
communities
and
also
the
numerous
rural
settlements.
D
The
neighborhood
heritage
statement
starts
by
describing
the
geographic
boundaries
of
the
neighborhood
and
discussing
its
initial
development.
This
includes
a
contemporary
map
of
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
a
fire
insurance
plan
showing
the
historic
urban
fabric.
The
following
slides
show
a
draft
of
a
statement
that
we've
prepared
for
for
Lowertown.
D
D
Major
component
of
the
heritage
values
of
this
particular
neighborhood
are
linked
to
three
distinct
communities:
the
French
Canadians,
the
Irish
and
the
Jewish
populations.
The
statement
also
discusses
the
importance
of
federal
institutions,
embassies
and
the
diverse
commercial
character
of
the
Byward
market.
D
Under
the
lists
of
heritage
attributes,
you
will
defined
the
distinctive
workers
cottage
of
rollertown,
the
low
lies,
Edward,
Edwardian
classicists,
apartment
buildings,
fronting
McDonald,
Gardens,
Park,
and
also
the
high
concentration
of
nineteenth-century
Roman
Catholic
buildings,
including
churches,
rector
ease
and
convents.
So
these
are
all
listed
in
point
form
under
the
Heritage
attributes,
section
of
the
NHS.
D
At
the
end
of
each
statement,
a
table
of
the
currently
designated
buildings
is
included.
The
table
contains
the
name
of
the
building
the
address
and
the
type
of
designation,
whether
it's
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
a
National,
Historic
Site
or
a
federally
recognized
or
classified
buildings.
So
all
of
those
buildings
are
listed
in
that
table
for
easy
reference.
E
E
This
is
what
the
app
looks
like
when
scanning
over
neighborhood
of
the
city.
Where
entries
have
been
collected,
the
old
highlighted
areas
show
the
existing
boundaries
for
the
heritage
conservation
districts
and
since
the
buildings
within
each
district
have
already
been
evaluated,
we're
not
including
them
as
part
as
part
of
the
thing
so
phase
of
the
project.
Blue
dots
indicate
Schechter's
structures
that
have
been
documented
and
evaluated,
while
the
red
dots
indicate
structures
and
resources,
the
process
of
being
assessed.
E
Here's
an
example
of
some
information
collected
collected
using
the
app
this
brick
row
house
was
constructed
circa
1970
27,
representing
Edwardian
classicism
style
with
excellent
equity.
Some
of
the
architectural
booms
rain.
Some
of
architectural
features
include
a
bracketed
cornice,
a
demented
porch,
detailed,
more
work
and
blue
and
white
accents.
Clearly,
the
house
is
not
on
the
city's
Heritage
Register.
E
Here's
what
the
entry
looks
like
using
that
bitmap
to
the
user,
sometimes
we
collect
information
on
a
found.
Information
are
the
original
and
current
news,
the
architect
number
of
stories,
the
roof
line
and
past
notable
occupants.
The
last
stage
of
the
analysis
is
to
determine
if
the
resource
has
designed
value
and
whether
it
reflects
the
applicable
neighborhood
heritage
statements.
E
Another
component
of
our
research
is
historical
themes
due
to
the
cumbersome
task
involved
with
researching
in
the
detailed
history
of
each
building.
A
series
of
themes
have
been
developed
under
the
following
five
headings:
developing
ottawa,
developing
economies,
intellectual
cultural
life,
governance
and
building
social
and
community
life.
E
B
B
E
The
black
ones
are
buildings
that
are
built
after
1980,
we
decided
to
use
1980s
over
the
cutoff
point
for
not
heritage
resources.
There,
too,
the
red
dots
are
ones
we
have
photograph
and
put
into
the
app
that
have
not
done
the
assessment
yet
so
we're
working
on
them
and
the
blue
dots
are
ones.
We've
finished
our
assessment,
fun.
B
So
if
you
look
at
the
slide
and
you
compare
that
to
the
existing
registry,
what
are
you
finding
in
terms
of
the
accuracy
or
are
you
having
to
make
a
lot
of
changes
or
the,
for
instance,
either
a
lot
of
buildings
that
you
find
that
aren't
on
the
registry
on
the
reference
list
that
you
feel
should
be?
Are
there
buildings
on
that?
The
reference
list
that
you
think,
oh
geez,
that
probably
shouldn't
be?
C
Take
this
one.
Mr.
chair,
after
the
initial
analysis
and
research
assistant,
started
the
project
we
won't
work
in
last
fall
so
the
summer
2015
we
had
a
summer
student
who
was
beginning
to
think
about
the
project,
and
the
conclusion
that
we
reached
was
that
the
existing
Heritage
reference
list,
not
the
registry,
but
the
existing
list
was
so
out
of
date
and
I
had
missed
so
much
that
to
use
it
as
a
reference
point
anymore,
because
it
was
the
potential.
B
C
Correct
and
also
reform
your
reference
list,
and
for
that
there
was
many
for
many
other
former
municipalities
that
even
was
in
Ottawa.
There
were
neighborhoods
that
were
never
ellipse,
as
which,
in
the
subsequent
35
years
since
it
was
established
there,
the
many
of
the
buildings
have
acquired
some
significance,
and
so
such
it
was
a
buildings
built
in
the
50s
and
60s
architectural
design,
mid-century
modern,
so
those
are
never
captured
before
so
they
are,
they
are
being
captured
in
this
project.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you.
My
second
question
is
about
the
ArcGIS
collector.
Is
it
your
expectation
that
this
will
eventually
be
a
public
resource
so
that
people
who
are
interested
in
learning
about
the
reference
list
could
download
the
app
and
use
it
as
a
way
a
Jewess
way
of
understanding
or
learning
about
particular
buildings
or
what
will
be
the
potential
kind
of
public
application
of
this.
D
So
the
the
app
that
we're
using
is
available
to
anyone
to
to
download
the
difference
being
that
we've
worked,
we've
worked
with
automatic
mapping,
graphics
and
geomatics
team,
and
we've
designed
the
apps
to
meet
our
needs
for
this
project.
Specifically
so,
and
we
wouldn't
make
our
app
available
to
the
public
just
because
we
have
for
the
information-
and
you
know
if
it's
an
open,
open
data
situation.
D
We'd
have
all
kinds
of
you
know:
people
inputting
information
with
that
without
us
reviewing
that
information,
so
we
would
prefer
to
and
to
manage
the
app
amongst
ourselves
and
then
take
information
from
members
of
the
community
and
input
that
information
into
into
the
app,
but
the
app
itself
could
be
downloaded
and
used
for
other
purposes.
If
community
groups
are
working
on
a
similar
project
for
their
specific
community,
but
our
specific
use
of
the
app
and
the
way
it's
designed
is
is
meant
for
it.
B
What
you're
saying
is
the
purpose
of
the
app
right
now
is
more
in
the
data
collection
phase.
What
might
be
interesting
I
mean
it
leads
me
to
wonder
if
there
wouldn't
be
in
future.
We
had
say
starting
in
2018,
to
think
about
a
way
of
capturing
all
this
fantastic
work
and
see
if
there
isn't
a
way
to
make
that
available
to
the
public.
Maybe
it's
a
different
app
of
some
kind,
but
to
allow
someone
to
stroll
down
the
streets,
say
Lowertown.
D
F
Just
going
on
a
bit,
I
was
looking
at
the
Lowertown
one
of
all
of
us
there.
There
is
number
of
different
policies
in
the
city,
and
one
of
them
is
intensification,
and
one
of
them
is
protecting
heritage,
and
these
two
things
tend
to
come
into
conflict
from
time
to
time.
It's
what
you
are
doing
going
to
make
major
restrictions
and
how
redevelopment
go
down
in
the
core,
because
a
lot
of
buildings
have
being
looked
at
and
how
is
that
being
being
approached
so
that
we
don't
end
up
having
kind
of
battles
later
on
about
it.
C
Mr.
chair,
that
the
the
project
again
is
to
to
build
a
better
inventory
and
a
register,
it
is
not
to
result
in
widespread
designation,
it's
just
a
way
of
managing
that
heritage,
resources
within
the
city
or
knowing
what
we
have
and
again
and
that
being
available.
We
hope,
as
David
just
said,
through
John
geo
Ottawa,
but
in
terms
of
you
know
any
kind
of
policy
or
planning
this
is
this?
Isn't
a
document
that
the
project
won't
influence,
intensification
policies
and
other
policies
of
the
city?
C
F
F
You're
going
to
be
moving
outside
the
Greenbelt
next
year,
from
the
looks
of
it
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
one
and
we've
been
looking
at,
be
the
brook,
as
you
know,
and
that
is
more
for
the
design
of
the
community
than
these
specific
buildings
in
it.
So
actually
doing
this
is
just
looking
at
the
buildings
or
is
it
looking
at
the
whole
structure
of
community
as
well.
C
F
You're
getting
to
setting
up
your
neighborhoods
I'd
be
quite
happy
to
give
you
the
plus
it's
not
a
very
distinct
and
be
happy
to
help
you
in
putting
the
lines
together.
Cuz
we've
had
problems
with
the
neighborhood
studies
that
they're
doing
that
they've
been
combining
once
and
we're
getting
that
a
little
bit.
I.
F
C
F
By
the
actual
buildings
in
the
buildings
that
were
used
by
various
levels
of
government,
as
opposed
like,
for
example,
the
NCC
is
talking
about
this
Prime
Minister's
way
in
their
new
plan.
Would
that
be
a
governance
issue
or
would
the
individual
buildings
that
were
occupied
by
various
thing
would
be
the
issue
in.
G
B
Thank
you
Council
working
tonight,
so
maybe
I'll
turn
to
the
public
delegation
and
then,
if
there
are
any
final
questions
or
comments
from
members,
that's
fine,
so
I'd
like
to
invite
Phillip
Donnelly
to
the
front
and
mr.
Donnelly
represents
the
Irish
Society
of
the
National
Capital
Region
good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
subcommittee
you
have.
We
give
our
guests
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee.
Thank.
G
Thank
you
very
much
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
come
here
this
morning
and
I
want
to
thank
Sally
coots
for
keeping
me
informed
about
the
meeting,
but
there's
such
a
parallel
between
these
two
projects
that
I
think
it
is
worthwhile
noticing
and
taking
advantage
of
the
synergies
that
definitely
exist.
The.
G
G
Ancestral
ancestral
homes
is
my
mobile
forum,
it's
designed
to
provide
data
to
our
pre-designed
database,
which
is
also
acceptable
and
searchable
by
a
website,
but
it
is
designed
to
capture
right
at
the
site.
The
GPS
coordinates
with
course
grade
accuracy
to
record
days
of
the
site
and
of
the
property
describe
where
it
is
in
terms
of
the
the
county.
G
Well,
first
of
all,
the
country,
the
county,
the
township
right
down
to
the
municipal,
address,
go
on
to
identifying
the
successive
occupants
of
the
space
record,
some
history
as
much
history
as
you
want
about
the
occupants
about
the
the
property
itself
and
tie
it
in
with
with
a
census
like
the
1901
or
1902
a
searchable
database.
So
this
is
all
available
right
now
it
does.
The
database
has
many
of
the.
G
My
purpose
is
to
let
you
know
the
committee
know
about
this,
because
there
is
a
great
opportunity
for
not
only
advancing
the
objectives
of
the
answer
of
the
heritage.
References
project
that
are
so
involving
increasing
the
involvement
and
participation
by
interested
community
groups
and
the
Irish
society
right
now
is
in
the
process
of
working
with
the.
G
We
can
provide
learning
assignments
for
students
in
the
history
departments
to
the
geography
departments,
as
part
of
their
learning
assignments
can
and
here's
they
have
been.
Such
an
assignment
can
be
defined
in
many
many
ways,
but
the
way
we're
thinking
about
method
now
and
here's
the
tie-in
with
the
Heritage
reference
list
in
whatever
states
that
heritage
reference
list
is
act
that
we
would
have
one
two
or
three
students
as
part
of
their
learning
assignments.
They
take
ten
fifteen
twenty
thirty
properties
that
are
in
that
heritage.
G
Reference
list
and
conduct
additional
research
about
those
properties
to
fill
in
the
data
elements
and
information
which
is
called
for
in
the
ancestral
homes
app
but
is
not
covered
in
the
heritage.
Reference
list,
so
I
have
spoken
submission
into
the
chair.
Turning
this
bomb
I've
had
the
privilege
of
speaking
to
a
counselor
Mary
on
referencing
I've
spoken
on
the
forum
to
co-chair
Barry,
Podolski
and
I
wish
to
thank
you
all
for
your
attention.
So
my
only
point
now
is
hey.
There's
an
opportunity
for
collaboration
taking
advantage
of
this
development.
G
B
B
B
So
that
was
simply
any
action
that
I
got
I
guess
we
can
receive
it.
So
is
this
received
okay,
great
all
right?
That
brings
us
to
item
2
on
our
agenda
this
morning,
which
is
an
application
to
ultra
the
Somerset
House
at
three
five
to
Somerset
Street
West,
a
property
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
center
town,
Heritage
Conservation
District.
We're
gonna
start
this
item
just
with
a
brief
presentation
from
staff.
So
we'll
give
him
it's
miss
Coutts,
an
opportunity
to
set
up
and
I
understand.
C
C
The
building
was
initially
constructed
in
two
phases:
the
first
the
three-story
portion
facing
Main
Street
at
the
turn
of
them
of
the
19th
century,
the
rural
portion
that
has
four
storeys
but
is
the
same
height
in
1912
in
2007,
while
undergoing
renovations.
The
part
of
the
building
partially
collapse
has
been
vacant
ever
since
a
heritage
permit
for
the
rear,
incorporating
the
well
supported
by
a
steel
frame
was
issued
in
2013,
but
the
the
that
project
did
not
proceed
and
the
Heritage
permit
expired.
These
are
some
pictures
taken.
C
The
consultation
in
education
was
notified
of
the
application
papers
were
notified
center
town
citizens,
Community
Association
in
the
ward
councillor
and
the
ward
councillor
is
said,
was
pleased
that
some
action
was
being
taken
to
initiate
the
immediate
safety
risk
on
this
on
this
portion
of
the
building.
But
it's
disappointed
that
the
building
has
deteriorated
to
this
point.
C
B
H
Thank
You,
chair,
well,
I,
guess
you
know
I'm
extremely
disappointed
that
that
we've
come
to
this.
This
stage
is
this
building.
Is
you
know
it's
doesn't?
I
saw
Anna,
shame
really
it.
You
know
nine
years
later,
we're
talking
about
pulling
it
down
piece
by
piece
and
if
this
an
example
of
demolition
by
neglect,
I,
don't
think
that
that
that
you
could
find
a
stronger
one.
H
You
know
I
think
that
it's
it's
the
it's
a
building
that
I
probably
get
a
phone
call
or
an
email
every
two
or
three
days
about
residents
in
my
ward
and
across
the
city
care
about
this
building.
They
see
it
as
in
a
major
intersection
in
our
downtown,
and
we
have
to
you
know
we
have
to
start
to
show
that
we're
serious
about
our
heritage
buildings
going
forward.
So
my
my
questions
are
going
to
be
more
about
what
we
can
do
going
forward
here.
So
I
guess.
H
C
H
I
had
suggested
bringing
a
motion
this
morning
that
would
ask
staff
us
Building
Code
Services,
to
issue
in
order
to
have
this
property
to
have
us
as
a
city
go
in
and
fix
up
this
property
and
charge
it
back
to
the
owner.
I'm
told
that
as
a
council,
we
don't
have
that
authority.
Can
you
explain
that
to
me.
H
E
There's
no
authority
for
a
municipality
to
do
that.
A
municipality
can
ensure
that
a
property
is
safe
and-
and
we
have
previously
issued
orders
under
the
Building
Code
act
and
we're
gonna
see
whether
to
ensure
that
the
property
is
safe.
But
in
the
same
way
that
I
couldn't
come
on
to
your
house
and
and
ask
you
to
builder
or
the
city
can't
require
you
to
build
a
shed
on
your
property
that
you
don't
want
to
build.
We
have
no
authority
to
force
someone
to
redevelop
a
property.
E
I
H
H
A
A
At
that
time,
there
have
been
issuance
of
a
number
of
orders
to
remedy
the
circumstances
that
building
to
eliminate
the
public
safety
threat
that
included
an
emergency
order
back
in
2007
8,
which
required
the
owner
to
take
certain
action
to
stabilize
that
wall,
to
introduce
the
steel
structure
and
to
undertake
monitoring
of
the
building
and
included
recommendations
to
heat
the
building.
In
terms
of
those
efforts.
A
H
A
Think
I
speak
on
behalf
of
prop
my
colleague
in
property
standards
right
now,
and
that
is
I
believe
that
there
are
a
number
of
tools
that
could
be
used
with
respect
to
this.
My
media
action
right
now
will
be
with
respect
to
the
stability
of
that
wall,
no
threat
to
public
safety
and,
obviously,
with
the
building
permit
that
we
currently
have
on
file
right
now,
which
we
are
processing.
H
I'm
sure
you
can
appreciate
why
that's
not
good
enough,
because
that's
what
we've
been
doing
for
nine
years
now
and
we're
here
today
and
it's
not
safe,
that
Sidewalk
was
actually
cordoned
off
again.
We've
got
potassium
pedestrians
on
that
one
of
the
busiest
corners
in
the
downtown
who
can't
access
it
because
of
the
safety
aspect.
So
up
until
now.
That's
what
we've
been
doing
and
nothing
has
been
done.
Nothing
has
been
done
to
stop
this
building
from
further
deterioration.
H
H
Give
us
options
for
expropriation.
What
are
the
whether
some
of
the
presidents
is
there?
A
precedence
within
the
City
of
Ottawa
I
believe
that
there
is
for
expropriation
of
fire
heritage
building
and
what
are
some
of
our
options
for
expropriation,
and
maybe
at
that
time
a
motion
for
expropriation
of
this
property
is
is
what
we
need
to
do.
We've
got.
We've
got
a
property,
a
heritage
property
in
a
heritage,
conservation
district
at
a
key
downtown
intersection
that
has
been
falling
apart
for
nine
years.
H
That
will
continue
to
do
it
to
do
eight,
unless
something
very
serious
is
done.
I'm,
not
hearing
that
that's
going
to
happen
and
I
need
to
I
think
that
as
a
council,
if
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
to
compare
the
to
fix
it
up
and
to
compel
a
building
called
services
to
make
that
order,
I
think,
then
that
we
have
to
be
looking
at
what
we
do
need
to
do
to
to
save
this
building
and
to
save
this
interception
in
in
our
downtown.
E
H
C
H
So
maybe
another
direction,
maybe
to
property
services
is
if
we
could
make
sure
that
I
actually
walk
and
scoop
by
here
every
day,
so
I'll
be
watching
from
the
parked
cars,
but
let's
make
sure
that
nobody
is
parking
on
that
area
and
that
it
does
that
parking
lot
does
not
encroach
and
into
a
further
expanded
surface
parking
lot
where
we
should
have
a
heritage
building.
Okay,
thank
you!
That's
it!
For
now.
Okay,.
J
J
K
The
main
part
of
the
building,
the
three
bay
or
four
base
section,
is
there
right
now,
but
the
three
Bay's
that
are
left.
We
have
reports
to
say
that's
in
fair
condition.
If
it's
looked
after
and
and
flashed
and
consent
preserved
in
its
current
state,
it
should
be
find
it.
This
Carly,
Hill
building,
is
currently
an
unsafe
building.
So
there's
bracing
inside
that
Idol
has
to
be
addressed.
The
report,
the
retreat
that
we
received
from
the
owners
engineer
laid
out
some
details
with
respect
to
updating
the
bracing
and
securing
the
building.
J
Did
I
just
ask
a
follow-up
question
that,
because
it
has
to
do
with
the
duration,
you
know
since
2007
to
2016
being
prudent
and
maybe
a
little
concerned
that
no
action
will
take
place
for
another
five.
Six.
Seven
eight
years
can
be
monitoring
and
requirements
stabilizing
the
building
actually
be
enhanced
a
plan
to
demonstrate
the
stabilization
efforts
that
could
be
introduced
to
ensure
the
long-term
stability
of
the
building.
It's
not
occupied
and
unsafe
for
occupancy.
The
idea
is
to
make
sure
that
the
fabric
is
that's
remaining
is
protected
to
the
median.
K
So
moving
forward
I
think
the
best
approaches
will
sit
down
with
property
standards
will
develop.
A
comprehensive
approach
will
issue
orders
as
are
necessary
in
order
to
impose
upon
the
owner
to
provide
us
a
more
stringent
update
process
in
terms
of
keeping
the
building
up
and
with
him.
In
the
absence
of
his
cooperation,
then
we
have
it
within
our
powers
to
take
on
ourselves.
L
Thank
you
I
think
it's
worth
stepping
back
at
this
point,
this
to
me
she's
in
the
city.
This
is
one
of
the
biggest
mess
ups
we've
ever
seen,
I
can't
think
of
another
one,
that's
quite
as
bad
as
this
one
I
mean
there
are
some
other
examples
of
abandoned
buildings,
but
time
this
I
think
is
probably
one
of
those
ones
and
I
think
it's
really
worth
noting
at
this
point-
we're
not
here
today,
because
this
is
an
old
building.
L
The
the
reason
we're
here
is
because
of
the
actions
of
the
property
owner,
and
the
reason
we're
here
today
is
because,
after
we
were
promised
years
ago,
that
work
was
going
to
be
done.
Nothing
was
done,
or
at
least
whatever
was
done,
wasn't
sufficient
to
avoid
us
being
here
today.
One
of
the
questions
I
have
that
I,
don't
understand,
heard
a
lot
about
monitoring,
but
I
don't
understand
how
that
building
could
have
been
monitored
and
yet
be
in
a
position.
L
Now,
where
we're
saying
it's
an
anus
danger
of
collapse,
somebody
screwed
up
here
and
I,
don't
know
who
screwed
up
or
what
happened,
but
I
simply
don't
understand
why
we
could
be
facing
something
that
says
the
building
is
about
to
collapse
on
us
and
yet
years
ago,
I
was
led
to
believe
that
the
actions
were
taken
to
reinforce
to
stabilize
the
walls
and
that
it
was
going
to
be
monitored.
How
is
it
that
we're
here
now
saying
that
it
was
monitored?
L
Yet
nobody
noticed
the
fact
that
it
was
getting
worse
and
worse
from
what
I
understand
it's,
because
it
was
left
exposed
and
at
one
time
there
was
coverings
on
it,
but
those
are
gone.
So
what
happened?
Does
it
monitor
niphas
monitor?
Why
are
we
here
today
with
it
about
to
collapse,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
would
say
in
support
of
it
comes
later.
Mckenna's
comment
is:
is
that
I
think
they've
lost
faith
in
any
promises
have
come
forward?
The
things
are
going
to
be
done
going
forward.
Thank
you.
B
L
B
Okay,
so
the
question
is
to
the
building
to
the
deputy,
perhaps
chief
billions
official.
Has
there
been
monitoring
to
date
and
we
said
there's
going
to
be
monitoring
from
this
point
forward.
Has
there
been
monitoring
to
date
and
if
there
has
were
some
of
the
structural
issues
that
have
now
been
identified,
noted
as
part
of
that
monitoring.
K
There
has
been
monitoring
there
was
issued.
I
was
a
condition
of
the
orders
that
we
issued
in
2008.
We
do
have
monitoring
reports
that
were
being
submitted
to
us
not
consistently.
We
had
to
constantly
chase
them
down
and
fight
with
the
owner
to
get
them,
but
he
was,
it
was
being
monitored,
certainly
was
looked
at
for
heat
on
a
regular
basis
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
being
frozen
and
that
it
wasn't
exposed
to
the
environment
anymore.
That
absolutely
had
to.
K
K
It's
not
just
the
top
of
the
wall.
That's
failed.
It's
the
sides
of
the
world,
that's
also
the
the
foundations
have
failed.
Also
just
succeeded,
I
think
the
report
states
have
to
succeeded
at
success
serviceability
at
a
time,
so
we
will
be
taking
on
these
things
and
putting
in
the
washing
and
maintaining
too.
At
the
same
time,
to
our
staff.
There
was
no
outward
indication
that
the
building
was
actually
failing,
the
billing
for
all
intensive
purpose
for
the
street,
but
not
too
bad
in
terms
of
its
capacity.
L
Just
don't
and
how
we
could
have
been
in
this
position
today
if
there's
no
communication
between
the
engineers
and
the
city
staff
that
would
have
led
you
to
understand
that
this
was
had
become
so
critical.
It's
just
really
shocking
to
me
to
read
this
report
that
says
the
buildings
in
danger
of
imminent
collapse,
and
yet
we
had
a
situation
where
our
city
staff
were
engaged
with.
L
My
understanding
was
that
from
the
day
years
ago
now,
when
we,
when
this
deal
was
struck
with
the
owner,
there
was
to
be
monitored,
it
was
to
be
weird
to
be
ensured
with
safe
I
guess.
My
real
fear
is:
is
that
going
forward?
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
take
the
drastic
action
of
expropriation
from
your
comments,
the
owner
seems
to
have
failed
repeatedly
to
follow
requests
that
were
made.
So
it
would
seem
that
it's
not
Mostafa
takeover
I
mean
it
from
from
your
very
words.
L
L
The
owners
not
appears
does
not
appear
to
be
willing
to
do
the
actions
that
are
necessary
and
therefore
we
can
make
this
agreement
and,
as
has
been
said
in
another
two
years
from
now,
we're
going
to
be
back
with
the
balance
of
the
building
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
a
demolition
of
it.
And
then
people
are
saying
well,
why
did
you
try
to
save
that
old
building
and
it's
not
the
problem
with
the
whole
building?
This
is
a
problem
with
an
owner
who
seems
completely
unwilling
to
follow
what
he's
been
told.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
few
questions
just
to
follow
up
from
that,
maybe
I'll
start
with
miss
Coutts
miss
Coutts.
You
mentioned
in
your
presentation
that
you
had
met
extensively
with
the
owner
or
the
course
of
the
fall
and
winter
of
this
past
season,
I'm
a
just
curious,
given
that
the
engineering
report
was
only
commissioned
in
June
of
this
year,
so
only
a
matter
of
a
month
ago.
What
was
the
nature
of
that
discussion
and
what
was
the
owner
seeking
to
do
in
the
absence
of
an
engineering
report
that
told
him
that
the
wall
was
nailing.
C
To
discuss
next
steps
and
illness
with
this
building,
he
personally
came
into
City
Hall,
at
which
point
on
I
recommended
that
he
engage
an
engineer
to
to
help
him
with
determine
the
next
steps
on
how
to
stabilize
etcetera
the
building.
I
think
my
first
contact
with
the
engineering
firm
was
as
early
as
January
or
February
I
understood.
The
capacity
engineering
had
been
engaged
that
led
to
discussions
in
May.
C
The
final
submission
the
report
was
dated:
June
6th-
that
was
part
of
starting
the
early
days
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
those
discussions
were
basically
they
even
asked
me.
What
to
do.
I
advised
him
to
hire
an
engineer.
The
engineer
was
hired
and
it
led
to
the
application.
That's
in
front
of
you
today,
so.
B
B
My
name
what's
important
background
for
those
who
don't
know
the
history
of
this
file
is
up
until
the
fall
of
2015.
The
owner
had
a
valid
heritage
moment,
which
was
issued
by
City
Council
to
construct
on
the
side.
There
are
renderings
contained
in
councils
report
by
at
the
Planning
Committee
report
here
dated
from
13th
November
2013,
so
I
assume
Council
approved
this
within
a
couple
of
weeks.
So
let's
say
December
1st
roughly
2013.
Do
you
have
any
sense,
mr.
C
Larger
project,
because
at
during
that
time
period
from
2013
to
2015
here
there
were
two
for:
why
don't
you
want
to
fix
the
foundations?
And
there
was
work
done
on
the
foundations
and
mine
was
to
start
with
a
with
a
facade
restoration
project,
and
there
was
work
done
on
that
there
was
parts
of
the
corners
were
restored
and
etcetera,
so
that
was
sort
of
prepare
Tory
to
around
your
project,
and
I
cannot
answer
for
the
owner
why
he
did
not
proceed
further.
C
B
My
next
question
just
involves
the
engineering
reports.
I
know
that
the
owner
commissioned
his
own
report,
which
we
have
as
an
annex
to
the
staff
report,
and
then
the
deputy
chief
building
official
I
understand
then
hired
a
third
party
to
essentially
do
a
due
diligence
on
that
report.
In
that
report,
which
I
have
here
from
Ostrava
engineering
I.
Think
there's
mention
that
the
engineer
who
conducted
the
due
diligence
didn't
have
access
to
the
building
so
was
limited
to
visual
inspection.
K
B
Okay,
because
at
one
point
the
report
says
that
the
wall
has
been
exposed
to
the
road
from
both
sides
since
the
partial
collapse
of
2008,
although
it
does
not
show
signs
of
major
deterioration,
it
is
very
likely
that
exposure
to
the
water
and
freeze-thaw
cycling
has
damaged
the
wall
beyond
reasonable
repair.
In
such
a
closer
inspection
from
the
existing
showing
tower
could
determine
how
much
of
the
existing
brick
and
stone
can
be
salvaged
for
ease
and
restore
billing.
B
You
did
I
think
the
right
thing
in
terms
of
getting
an
independent
view,
I
guess
the
question
is,
you
know:
is
this
a
matter
of
urgency
or
not
and
I'm
curious?
What
your
interpretation
of
that
third
party,
through
view
is,
do
you
feel
confident
advising
us
that
the
only
option
in
terms
of
moving
forward
on
the
north
wall
is
to
remove
it.
K
There
were
side
discussions
with
engineer
or
garage
just
just
about
that,
just
because
he
couldn't
get
right
up
to
the
building
and
start
hammering
away
at
it.
With
you
know,
I
got
to
confirm
the
condition
of
the
mortar
and
the
brick,
but
he
agreed
with
was
commissioned
by
the
holding
that
the
wall
was
in
very
bad
condition
of
wood.
You
could
not
be
recovered.
B
M
Thank
you
due
to
the
length
of
time
that
we've
been
engaged
on
this
case.
Two
former
presidents
of
heritage
Ottawa
are
in
the
audience
as
well
as
a
number
of
other
of
our
officers
and
members.
This
is
a
major
issue
from
our
point
of
view.
It
really
is
in
the
sand
that
we
shouldn't
be
going
past.
I.
Think
mr.
Smallwood
expressed
that
very
well
I
I.
Think.
A
really
important
point
is
on
the
screen
in
front
of
you.
M
The
conclusions
back
in
2008
the
building
was
stabilized
until
it
could
be
adapted
and
reused,
and
that
is
the
proposal
that's
before
you
today
in
2016
and
I'm,
not
sure
it
will
do
any
better.
We
had
a
proposal
for
reconstruction
of
this
building
five
years
after
that
stabilization.
That
proposal
did
not
go
forward
as
you've
heard
right
now.
We
only
have
a
mission
on
the
table
in
front
of
us.
We
don't
have
any
proposal
for
actual
construction,
so
our
view
is
that
this
is.
M
This
is
only
another
step
on
the
way
to
eventual
total
loss
of
the
building.
I
have
submitted
a
short
one-page
report,
but
it
largely
is
just
retelling
what
what
you've
already
heard.
We've
lost
far
too
many
heritage
buildings
due
to
demotion
by
neglect.
That
was
why
the
new
bylaw
came
into
effect
in
2013
to
try
and
prevent
this
from
happening.
You
all
know
the
story
of
our
ladies
school
at
Murray
and
and
Cumberland.
M
In
Statesville
was
that
that
council
agreed
to
demolition
of
of
that
building,
although
there
may
be
reuse
of
some
of
the
components
we're
looking
at
other
cases
where
we've
lost
heritage
buildings
because
of
neglect,
including
buildings,
owned
by
other
levels
of
government,
the
110-116
Spike
Street,
which
of
course
was
owned
by
the
NCC
but
which
the
facade
has
been
torn
down.
And
hopefully
we're
going
to
see
a
replica
put
back.
We
saw
a
replica
go
back
in
place
of
the
Caplan's
store
on
Lido
Street,
because
even
the
brakes
couldn't
be
saved.
M
We
saw
about
25%
of
the
original
facade
of
Ogilvie's
department,
store,
go
back
and
we're
very
glad
to
see
that
coming
along,
but
it's
only
a
small
part
of
what
might
have
been
saved.
All
of
those
are
buildings
that
stood
empty
for
many
years,
and
we
now
have
the
tools
to
deal
with
that
and
in
particular
in
the
demolition,
by
neglect
by
law.
There's
a
statement
about
vacant
and
damaged
heritage
properties
which,
to
my
reading,
says
that
the
owner
has
a
responsibility
to
properly
protect
the
building
fabric
against
water
damage,
and
that
was
not
done.
M
Fully
recorded
for
proper
heritage
reconstruction,
no
there's
no
waiting
in
the
motions
that
are
before
you
requiring
the
owner
to
record
these
buildings.
There
is
some
discussion
about
making
every
effort
to
retain
fabric,
but
nothing
about
that.
Recording
and
I.
Think
that's
important,
so
we're
extremely
disappointed
that
it's
come
to
this.
We
think
that
the
the
demolition
by
neglect
aspects
of
the
property
standards
by
law
are
not
being
applied.
In
fact,
we
haven't
really
seen
them
applied
to
any
of
these
vacant
and
deteriorating
buildings
and
a
positive
step
forward.
In
the
absence
of
plans
to.
M
B
N
Thank
you
just
a
question
for
property
standards.
You
talked
about
the
ongoing
monitoring
of
the
building,
which
has
been
taking
place
over
the
past
nine
years,
I'm
just
wondering
about
access
to
the
building,
because
clearly
reports
back
that
led
you
to
believe
that
the
building
was
in
fair
to
decent
condition
on
an
ongoing
basis.
So
clearly,
just
based
on
what
you
said
earlier
this
morning,
so
I'm
just
wondering
about
the
extent
what
what
is
involved
with
this
monitoring.
Can
you
supply
a
little
more
information
there?
So.
N
K
So
what's
happened
between
then,
and
now
is
now
there
isn't
in
fact,
provisions
within
the
property
standards.
Bylaw
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
enforce
the
proper
standards
by
law.
That's
my
my
colleague
Roger
to
my
left,
but
from
a
biblical
point
of
view
we
can
write
orders.
We
can
say
that
certain
things
have
to
be
done.
We
would
do
that
in
conjunction
with
property
standards
so
that
we
impose
upon
the
owner
to
provide
us.
K
N
Right,
okay,
thank
you.
I'd
also
just
comment.
Mr.
chair,
just
I
won't
belabor.
The
points
had
been
raised
by
my
colleagues
around
the
table
today,
but
you
know
this
is
in
my
mind
a
classic
situation
of
demolition
by
neglect
and
the
recommendations
that
have
been
put
forward
by
staff
today
are
certainly
insufficient.
For
me
to
be
able
to
support
them,
there
is
I,
think
and
just
reading
through
the
he
drove
it.
N
I'm
sorry
I'm,
not
pronouncing
that
problem
report
speaks
directly
to
the
lack
of
lateral
resistance
to
help
the
structural
integrity
of
this
of
this
building.
Something
should
be
addressed
in
my,
in
my
opinion,
the
mr.
jeans
pointed
out
the
lack
of
any
reference
to
scanning
again.
The
city's
engineer
report
talks
about
an
extensive
leaf.
N
Laser
scanning
recording
of
the
north
wall
before
hoarding
is
put
in
place
adequate
protection
of
the
sight
as
again,
in
addition
to
the
lateral
support,
some
kind
of
comprehensive
structure
that
deals
with
protecting
the
site
from
the
elements
which
the
whole
freezing
and
thawing
etc
wind
rain.
What
we've
seen
over
the
past
nine
years?
N
You
talked
about
the
fact
that
that
facade
was
in
fact
in
in
in
fair
condition
from
from
where
you
know,
you're,
you
were
standing
right
now
and
I'm,
just
questioning
being
the
that
caught
that
issue
as
I
say
it's
not
before
us
today,
but
it
does
bring
to
mind
the
the
real
I
think
lack
of
integrity
around
this
whole
site.
Thank
you.
J
C
B
J
Preface
saying
my
motion
with
the
comments
that,
as
you
know,
Dave
jeans
of
heritage,
auto
said
this
is
a
sorry
state
and
given
the
integrity
of
the
city's
heritage
program.
The
demolition
by
neglect
aspect
of
it
is
one
that
is
key
to
demonstrating
to
all
property
owners,
both
private
and
public,
not
donors,
that
the
city
takes
this
policy
seriously
and
I.
J
J
And,
secondly,
that
the
owner
be
required
to
post
a
bond
in
the
amount
deemed
to
be
adequate
by
the
general
manager
of
the
department
to
ensure
that
the
preservation
of
the
original
materials
retained
from
the
demolition
and
the
accurate
reconstruction
of
the
fourth
Bay.
As
part
of
the
overall
renovation
and
conservation
of
the
property
for
which
a
demolition
permit
is
issued.
And
the
third
part
that
the
application
to
alter
the
property
submitted
for
reconstruction
of
the
property.
A
required.
The
owner
to
reconstruct
the
dismantled
facade
in
an
exact
replica
of
the
fourth
Bay.
J
As
it
stands
today
or,
if
not
feasible.
With
new
matching
materials.
If
deemed
necessary.
Through
peer
review
by
an
independent,
qualified
health
consultant,
approved
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
then
Part
B
of
that
that
the
approved
construction
be
completed
within
two
years
of
approval
of
an
application
to
alter
approved
by
this
committee.
B
J
B
I
B
I
I
So
the
bulk
of
the
problem
with
the
structure
is,
as
has
been
discussed,
two-sided
exposure
to
the
elements
disintegration
with
interior
white,
that's
one
vertebral
layer
but
and
the
instability
there
well
structure.
This
was
discussed
by
a
couple
of
counselors
as
well
as
other
people.
That's
a
really
in
a
lateral
load
event
slide
gridlines,
of
course,
they're
invisible
slide.
I
So
this
is
a
photo
showing
the
inside
of
what,
on
the
outside,
looks
perfectly
fine.
I
wanted
to
show
this
in
order
to
stress
that
city
staff,
the
owner
just
about
anybody
who
wasn't
inside
the
building
with
the
right
technical
skill
set,
wouldn't
have
any
idea
what's
going
on.
This
is
the
second
story.
This
is
readily
visible,
except
the
slide
doesn't
really
show
it
well,
but
the
bricks
are,
quite
literally
crumbling
they're
falling
to
the
inside
floor
slide.
I
This
is
what
it
looks
like
if
you
look
from
the
owners
adjacent
parking
lot.
You
see
the
inside
of
some
of
the
heritage
trusses,
which
are
beautiful
and
really
deserve
to
be
better
protected.
The
wall
was
constructed
in
bored
of
that
trusts.
The
tarping
was
put
on
the
inside
face,
allowing
the
sheathing
to
rot.
The
sheathing
was
insufficiently
fastened.
There
is
little
work
done
to
actually
give
a
lot
of
a
load
system
in
this
direction.
Over
all
the
types
that
were
put
in
place
were
put
in
place
and
heating
was
not
provided
to
those
areas.
I
It
was
only
provided
to
the
main
inboard
section
of
the
main
structure.
Putting
a
tarp
on
brick
doesn't
protect
it.
It's
it's
a
common
fallacy.
People
think
you
can
protect,
but
by
keeping
one
side
from
getting
wet,
but
thick
absorbs
water
as
soon
as
the
water
goes
in.
Freeze
thaw
occurs
unless
you
heat
one
face.
This
is
a
sort
of
a
misunderstanding.
That's
quite
common,
even
in
my
own
profession,
that
you
might
be
able
to
save
bit
by
putting
a
tarp
on
it.
I
I
We've
highlighted
in
our
report
to
show
this
is
incorrect,
pointing
they've
repointed
with
a
motor
that's
much
too
stiff
for
the
brick,
so
they've
changed
the
behavior
of
the
wall
instead
of
creeping
or
subtly
moving
under
load,
it
breaks
and
those
brakes
actually
robbed.
You
of
interstitial
friction
which
actually
starts
causing
secondary
problems
slide.
Please
so
I'm
going
to
skip
this
completely.
If
you
have
technical
questions,
I
can
answer
them.
Take
a
look
at
the
list,
something
interests.
You
ask
me
a
question
slide.
This
is
a
modern
heritage
aged
building.
I
This
is
about
40
years
old.
I
show
this
slide,
because
if
you've
got
something
that
looks
like
this,
you
do
not
have
something
that
has
these
problems.
This
can
handle
getting
wet.
You
can
wet
this.
You
can
let
the
water
fall
through
the
outside
backside
of
the
brick
and
it's
going
to
behave
properly.
That's
not
what
we're
facing
here
slide.
I
This
is
a
summary.
This
is
actually
a
really
great
little
picture
drawn
by
somebody
for
a
house
Journal,
and
this
talks
about
the
specifics
I'm
getting
at
once.
The
motor
there's
two
types
of
Moreton
Bay
comes
to
this
stuff.
Soft
mortars,
which
are
line
based
or
line
rich
and
hard
borders
with
mortars
which
are
more
commonly
now
used
that
a
better
modern,
their
Semin
Tisha's.
If
you
use
a
Semin,
tisha,
smarter
against
a
brick,
that's
too
soft,
the
weaker
element
becomes
the
brick.
I
I
Suppose
it's
actually
almost
moot
hearing
what
the
city
staff
we're
talking
about,
but
we're
used
to
working
against
a
heritage,
character
standard,
that's
specific
to
the
building,
so
we
don't
have
one
here:
it's
because
it's
a
heritage
district,
it
didn't
need
one
to
get
listed,
but
we've
been
working
against
the
general
idea
that
we're
going
to
try
and
save
everything
about
the
West
face
and
the
north
facades.
We
want
to
keep
those
looking
the
way
they
are
today
or
even
better.
Bringing
him
back.
I
The
owner
has
done
a
great
job
of
restoring
other
buildings
in
the
city.
The
only
reason
he
didn't
proceed
was
he
had
a
big
fight
with
his
previous
structural
engineer.
I
hope
we
don't
go
the
same
way
but
effectively
the
plans
that
were
submitted
in
2013.
He
did
intend
to
proceed
with.
He
did
not
have
a
structural
set
that
supported
that
architectural
set
and
never
received
one
what
he
received
he
could
not
submit,
and
he
couldn't
build
from
that's
why
that
fell
apart.
It
was
a
business
dispute.
His
intent
has
always
been
to
continue
slide.
I
This
is
actually
I'll
just
skip
it.
A
slide
slide
yeah,
and
this
is
the
the
facade
that
really
sorry
the
facade
that
really
can't
be
saved
anymore.
It's
simply
in
such
bad
condition
that
the
standard
test
for
structural
engineers
to
go
on
site
with
a
small
nail
hammer
and
gently
tap
it
to
see
how
far
you
can
get
it
to
go
in
without
too
much
effort,
and
that
tells
you
whether
or
not
the
mortar
is
they're
stiff
enough
to
actually
maintain
load
I
gotten
into
this
world.
I
B
Staff
recommendation
and
in
front
of
us
is
kept
in
a
state
that
is
not
going
to
require
it
for
the
demolition
in
one
month,
six
months
or
six
years
down
the
road.
Are
you
in
a
position
given
that
it
sounds
like
you
are
on
the
employee,
the
owner,
to
offer
reassuring
intentions
about
the
way
that
you
can
play
as
a
contractor
employed
by
the
owner
in
ensuring
that
whatever
happened
to
does
not
get
replicated
in
the
main
structure,
insurance.
I
To
channel
well
start
by
saying
that
you
know
the
common
understanding
contractor,
somebody
actually
takes
a
handler.
Doesn't
work.
I
am
under
contract.
As
the
professional
engineer
for
the
owner
now,
the
best
I
can
tell
you
is
that
the
owner
has
wanted
to
press
ahead
with
the
actual
construction.
There's
a
slight
amount
of
misunderstanding
or
maybe
I,
don't
know
how
to
represent
it.
But
the
owners
been
saying
to
the
city.
I
Give
me
a
building
permit
to
go
ahead
and,
and
the
city's
been
saying,
give
me
a
heritage
application,
because
I
heard
operation
is
required,
but
the
owners,
when
he
went
to
the
city
in
November,
was
to
rebuild
the
structure
he
wasn't
going
to
the
city
asking
the
city.
You
know
how
do
I
extend
my
holding
or
and
maintain
the
building
in
his
current
condition?
That's
not!
He
was
going
to
the
city
saying
here's
my
architectural
plans.
I
Let
me
build
from
them
and
there
was
a
maybe
a
misunderstanding,
a
lack
of
understanding,
but
when
we
became
involved
in
January
we
said
to
the
owner.
You
can't
submit
just
a
set
of
plans
for
restoration
for
demolition.
You
actually
have
to
have
a
set
of
plans
for
some
emergency
bracing
that
came
from
us
saying.
What
we're
seeing
in
front
of
us
now
is
in
such
dirty
rias
condition
that
we
have
serious
doubts
as
to
the
safety
of
the
public.
I
That's
that's
where
all
of
this
court
of
stems
from,
but
his
intention
has
been
the
pretty
set
of
plans
that
David
sorry
that
last
night.
Excuse
me
that
auto
heritage
spoke
about
is
what
the
city
is.
What
the
owner
wants.
That's
what
he
wants
to
do
in
our
current
submission.
We
speak
to
the
elements
we
really
have
to
have
address
right
away
and
to
some
degree,
to
the
frustration
of
the
city
staff.
Also,
to
enclosing
and
maintaining
the
structure.
I
The
city
staff
want
to
be
able
to
analyze
a
set
of
plans
and
I
don't
blame
them.
They
want
to
be
able
analyze
a
set
of
plans.
That
is
demolition
only,
that
is
in
interval,
restoration
or
protection.
Only
they
what
they
want
sets
of
plans
that
do
one
thing,
so
they
can
analyze
those
one
things
or
that
one
thing
in
each
of
those
categories,
but
we
refuse
to
do
that
simply
because
we
said
as
professionals
as
our
as
we
bear
a
primary
responsibility
to
the
unsuspecting
public
to
keeping
them
safe.
I
The
only
way
after
having
seen
the
history
of
this
file
to
go
forward
is
to
insist
in
and
amongst
the
demolition
work,
the
site
demolition
work,
the
preservation
work
of
keeping
pieces
so
that
we
can
rebuild
this
and
do
a
good
job
of
keeping
this
Heritage
character
within
Ottawa.
We
also
have
to
be
protecting.
We
looked
at
some
of
the
past,
I
mean
I,
guess,
I'd,
call
it
major
core
or
emergency
protection
works.
I,
don't
want
to
speak
to
the
people.
I
They
were
insufficient
to
make
it
past
the
first
12
months
that
this
is
this
is
this
would
have
never
been
on
a
set
of
plans
from
our
front.
We
openly
discussed
in
the
firm
that
we
thought
that
what
was
done
was
completely
ludicrous.
If
you
have
a
two-sided
exposure
to
a
multi
wife
rhyme
based
brick
wall,
you're,
going
to
get
what
you
got,
there's
there's
no
option
and
we're
trying
our
best
mr.
charity
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
occur.
That's
in
our
plans
that
are
submitted
right
now.
J
Then,
on
this
file,
one
things
that
you
did
alert
me
to
was,
you
know,
concerned
about
the
West
facade
of
the
building.
This
is
part
of
the
building
that
has
not
been
part
of
the
hand-wringing
agonized
discussion.
That
certainly
is
for
the
heritage
district
and
for
the
city's
cultural
heritage
conservation
policy
as
a
whole.
I
Sure,
thank
you.
The
question
mr.
chair,
the
West
facade
or
the
Bank
Street
facing
facade
includes
bay
windows
and
a
variety
of
arches
and
other
windows
fenestrations
effectively.
That
was
not
in
such
bad
condition
as
to
have
us
ringing
alarm
bells,
but
the
classic
way
that
you
hang
in
particular
I'll
speak
to
the
bay
windows.
The
classic
way
that
you
hang
bay
windows
takes
two
forms.
That's
discussed
in
our
report
dated
the
6th
of
June
and
we
don't
see
either
of
the
traditional
ways
that
we're
familiar
with.
I
So
we
have
a
hard
time
understanding
exactly
how
those
windows
were
hung
in
the
first
place.
How
that
bay
window
structure
is
built
into
the
building,
and
we
speak
to
the
fact
that
we
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
How
is
that
done?
What
can
we
do
to
ensure
that
that
is
a
positive
connection
to
the
building
that
it
is
a
sound
and
in
good
condition,
connection?
I
It's
of
note
that
it's
actually
adjacent
to
the
arch
window,
the
low
Archer
eyes
window
that
is
breaking
at
the
spandrel
or
breaking
at
the
thrusting
point
at
the
end,
and
essentially
that's
an
ongoing
issue
for
us.
We've
told
the
owner
that
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
while
we're
progressing
on
this
file,
we
are
very
carefully
watching
to
see
that
those
bay
windows
don't
move
the
moment
they
move
you're
going
to
see
us
recommending
hoarding
coming
around
Bank
Street.
I
There's,
there's
no
option,
you
can't
let
people
stay
near,
something
that's
going
to
fall
off
the
side
of
the
building
potentially,
but
in
amongst
the
work
we're
doing
the
emergency
work
that
we're
asking
permission
to
do
right
away,
includes
our
engineers
being
on
site
and
actively
monitoring
the
works.
That's
what's
required
for
demolition,
that's
just
a
normal
standard
of
practice,
but
we
also
have
told
the
city
and
the
city
staff
have
been
tremendously
helpful.
They
have
been
asking
for
us
to
give
them
updates
and
we've
told
them.
Every
month
we
intend
to
update
the
report.
I
You've
received
the
report
you
see
from
the
6th
of
June.
An
update
is
coming
out
shortly,
and
one
of
these
reports,
very
shortly
within
the
next
2
or
3
months,
is
going
to
positively
identify.
How
is
that
they
window
hung
on
the
Bank
Street
facade
and
discuss?
Do
we
need
to
do
more?
Do
we
need
to
look
at
propping
doing
you
look
at
something
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
fall
off
or
something
else
goes
on.
I
Ultimately,
I'd
appreciate
if
you
all
bear
in
mind
that
no
matter
who
pays
my
bill,
I
respond
to
you
as
a
member
of
the
public,
not
as
councilor
but
I
I
am
ultimately
responsible
to
make
sure
that
somebody
walking
past
that
building
does
not
get
harmed.
Unknowingly
I
worked
in
Christchurch
New
Zealand
for
a
number
of
years,
when
nobody
knew
where
Christ,
which
was
I've
done.
A
number
of
seismic
upgrades,
pre,
earthquake
and
I,
can
guarantee
you
I,
know,
I
think
what
happens
to
those
upgrade
works
during
an
earthquake.
I
I
All
I
can
say
is
that
the
lateral
load
resisting
system
is
part
of
our
ultimate
plan,
and
even
in
this
set
of
plans,
we're
tearing
out
that
rotting
tender
oil
and
putting
in
a
wall
series
and
tying
it
together
in
such
a
manner
to
actually
be
able
to
maintain
this
structure.
All
portions
of
this
structure
are,
in
my
view,
I'm
not
focusing
on
one
or
two
elements,
and
we
are
looking
very
carefully
to
making
sure
that
people
are
safe.
H
We
have
an
engineer
that
there's
imminent
risk
to
the
neighborhood
I
really
hear
from
staff.
What
our
next
steps
are
not
in
two
three
months
from
now,
but
today,
when
we
leave
this
meeting,
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
make
sure
that
people
on
that
corner
are
not
in
danger?
And
you
know
here's
where
I
am
today
after
this
new
council
has
got
no
authority
to
to
force
someone
to
redevelop.
H
H
H
H
B
K
Of
course,
Public
Safety
is
our
primary
concern.
Absolutely
we
are
basing
a
lot
of
our
efforts.
Our
decisions
on
what
the
engineering
reports
are
provided
to
us.
The
bay
window
is
a
concern.
We
would
be
normally
in
this
normal
situation
where
we
go
back
to
the
engineers.
If
it's
a
major
concern,
you
tell
us,
will
issue
orders.
If
we
have
to
close
down
the
sidewalk,
we
will
do
that
we
were
not
put
under.
There
was
an
immediate
concern,
but
certainly
they
said,
there's
a
concern
there
that
we
don't.
K
H
What
I
want
is
a
plan
for
how
this
building
is
going
to
be
restored,
how
it's
going
to
be
in
very
immediate
future,
how
it's
it's
going
to
be
shored
up,
so
that
it
is
safe
that
we
are
going
in
and
monitoring
it
that
our
engineers
are
going
in
and
monitoring
it.
But
it's
not
about
you,
know:
we've
closed
off
the
sidewalk,
so
don't
worry,
no
books
are
going
to
hit
people
as
they're
walking
down
the
street.
K
I'll
have
to
work
with
property
standards
and
the
owners
engineer
on
that
to
come
up
with
a
comprehensive
plan
that
the
issuer
might
my
car
matter,
but
the
sidewalks
would,
which
is
to
address
the
immediate
concern.
If
there
is
an
immediate
concern,
we
would
do
that.
If
there's
not
an
immediate
concern,
then
we're
gonna
go
back,
then
we
will
develop
with
the
owners
engineer.
A
comprehensive
plan
to
you
know:
stabilize
the
building
over
the
longer
term.
B
Questions
or
comments,
I'm,
gonna,
try
and
summarize
before
we
proceed
to
the
vote.
Essentially,
you
know
what
you're
hearing
this
morning.
I
think
from
some
members
of
this
committee,
myself
included,
is
a
collective
hand-wringing
and
the
hand-wringing
arises
from
a
situation
where
we're
being
asked.
In
fact,
yes,
we
are
being
asked
to
approve
the
demolition
of
a
building,
a
demolition
of
a
building
that
I
think
some
members
of
the
committee
feel
has
arisen
due
to
a
prima
facie
violation:
very
strong
property
standard
by
laws
that
were
passed
by
council
in
2013,
section,
92
and
I'm.
B
B
And
so
the
hand-wringing
is
really
about
the
fact
that
too
many
of
us,
it
looks
obvious
that
there
has
been
a
violation
of
section
92
1
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
bylaws.
Yet
there
has
been
no
orders
issued
to
prevent
or
to
address
the
behavior
of
the
owner
up
until
this
date,
which
has
led
us
to
the
situation
of
confronting
a
request
for
a
permit
to
demolish
I.
Think
the
second
element.
So,
let's,
let's
talk
about
the
punitive
element
that
you
know
here
we
are
in
a
situation
where
there
there
will
be
no
orders
issued.
B
We're
told
that
we,
as
a
committee
in
s
council,
have
no
power
to
ask
our
building
officials
or
property
standards.
The
bylaw
officials
to
enforce
the
act
so
I
think
the
frustration
that
you're
hearing
around
this
table
again
is
on
the
being
asked
to
demolish,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
were
there's
nothing
we
can
do
in
terms
of
enforcing
the
elements
of
the
bylaw
that
really
relate
I
would
argue
to
an
important
mandate
or
aspect
of
this
committee.
So
there's
what's
happened
up
until
now.
B
I
think
the
intent,
as
we
heard
from
the
vice-chair,
is
to
say
even
with
the
parts
of
this
building
that
were
losing
particularly
the
fourth
day
of
the
original
three-story
structure,
that
insuring
that
if
the
materials
can
be
used
as
judged
by
an
independent
party
that
that
fourth
base
should
be
reconstructing
using
the
original
materials
and
I.
Think,
although
that's
not
a
solution,
that's
not
what
we
would
want.
It
at
least
gives
some
sense
of
historical
integrity
as
as
to
part
of
the
rebuild
when
it
occurs.
B
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
going
to
support
the
shows
amendments,
I
think
on
the
overall
report.
Again,
it's
it's
to
a
certain
extent,
a
poisoned
chalice,
but,
from
my
part,
I
will
support
the
staff
report
with
the
amendments
because
I
think
for
reasons
of
public
safety
as
have
been
outlined.
We
don't
really
have
an
option
here.
B
If
we're
told
by
the
city's
engineer
and
by
the
owners
engineer
that
we
are
looking
at
us
at
a
situation
that
could
jeopardize
Public,
Safety
I,
don't
see
what
other
option
we
have
with
the
strong
asterisks
and
condition
that
I
think
there
are
members
around
this
table
who
feel
that
the
city
ought
to
be
doing
much
much
more
both
to
stop
the
situation
from
getting
to
the
point
where
now
not
much.
We
knew
about
that
at
this
stage
about
moving
ahead
to
make
sure
we're
not
in
a
similar
situation.
B
So
that's
my
attempt
at
a
summary
I
would
put
forward
a
friendly
amendment
to
the
Vice
chairs
motion
section
3b,
that
the
approved
construction
be
completed
within
two
years
of
approval
of
an
application
to
alter
approved
by
this
committee.
That
issue
will
come
up
as
part
of
a
heritage
permit
application
and
the
timelines
can
be
established.
Then
and
since
the
committee
doesn't
actually
approve
the
application
but
council,
would
you
see
it
as
a
friendly
amendment
to
delete
section
3b
and
have
the
issue
of
timeframes
be
the
subject
of
whatever
new
application
comes
forward?
F
K
F
K
Respect
to
the
unsafe
conditions
that
they
can
go
in
and
start
bracing
and
doing
any
of
the
remedial
work
they
need
to
right
away,
but
the
permit
can
come,
but
will
we
would
never
hold
them
back
just
based
on
the
formality
of
a
permit
to
get
in
there
and
stabilize
the
building
from
the
interest
of
Public
Safety.
Thank.
L
B
And
then
on
the
staff
on
the
recommendations,
as
amended
by
the
Vice
chairs
motion
to
we
is
that
carried
okay?
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
staff
for
coming.
Thank
you
for
the
members
of
the
public.
For
speaking,
it's
not
a
great
outcome.
It's
the
outcome
that
the
only
outcome
that
we
really
could
address
them
when
we
were
faced
with
this
morning.
So
moving
on
to
other
items
on
our
agenda,
that's
it
for
the
substantive
agenda
and
he
notices
a
motion
for
a
next
meeting.
No
no
increase.
L
L
Was
said
by
the
engineer,
and
given
that
we
were
given
advice
by
the
cities
on
the
hired
engineer
that
what
we
were
doing
is
right,
I
would
like
to
clarification.
Was
this
initial
action
that
was
taken
of
supporting
the
wall?
Why
were
we
not
told
that
it
wouldn't
last
a
year
we
should?
We
should
get
some
something
back
and
he
told
us
we
were
doing
the
right
thing
and
I'm
still
scratching
my
head.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
so
why
don't
we
talk
about
that
offline
in
terms
of
some
sort
of
lessons
learned
exercise
from
what
is
what's
been
before
us
on
summer?
That
has
so
I'm
happy
to
discuss
that
offline
under
business,
just
to
mention
that
there
was
a
technical
circulation
with
relation
to
a
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendment
in
relation
to
secondary
dwelling
units,
coach
houses
in
accessory
structures.
F
B
We
don't
need
okay,
so
with
that
we
are
adjourned
and
just
to
note
that
the
next
meeting
right
now
is
Thursday
the
18th
of
August,
but
as
of
now,
there
are
no
items
on
that
agenda.
If
that
changes,
we
will
let
you
know
so
we'll
keep
you
posted
on
the
status
of
that
meeting,
so
we're
adjourned.
Yes,
thank
you.