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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – April 8, 2013
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Built Heritage Sub-Committee – April 8, 2013 – Audio Stream
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B
Okay,
welcome
everyone
we're
going
to
I'm,
going
to
call
the
committee
to
order
and
welcome
you
to
the
second
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting,
and
we
have
just
two
items
today:
the
first
one
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
from
our
chief
by
law
person
wears
a
uniform
and
everything.
Now
when
the
Anderson
and
then
the
next
item
is
the
application
to
alter
the
former
Ottawa
East
Town
Hall
at
61
Main
Street.
Do
we
have
anyone
here
to
speak
to
that?
We
have
no
one
here
to
speak.
To
that.
B
Does
anyone
on
the
committee
want
to
hold
that
this
is
this?
Is
the
the
ramp
that
they're
they're
going
to
be
putting
in
with
the
I?
Think
personally,
I
think
it
looks
very
nice,
but
does
anybody
else
want
to
hold
it?
So
is
that
carried
them
and
we'll
go
back
and
ask
you
if
there's
any
declarations
of
interest,
we're
all
interested
good
and
confirmation
of
minutes
carried?
No
one
has
any
comments
on
that
good.
So
we're
going
to
go
to
our
presentation
and
Christine
hardik
is
joining
Linda
Anderson.
B
C
You
and
good
morning,
I
want
to
prep
with
all
of
this
by
saying
I'm,
not
an
expert
at
either
the
Heritage
component
and
I
just
have
a
a
knowledge
of
the
building
code
act
that
may
get
me
into
trouble.
So,
unfortunately,
nobody
from
Building
Services
could
be
here,
but
we
did
meet
with
them
on
Friday
so
and
hopefully,
I
can
answer
some
of
those
questions.
So
thank
you
for
inviting
us
this
morning
to
come
and
give
a
presentation.
C
C
Services
are
the
keepers
of
the
property
standards
by
law
and
that's
a
relatively
easy
mechanism
to
use
for
the
exterior
of
the
buildings
at
the
present
time,
but
we're
working
very
closely
with
Building
Code
services,
the
Heritage
group
and
our
legal
services
branch
bringing
this
report
forward
on
the
18th.
So
what
I
thought
we
would
do
this
morning
and
I
want
to
thank
miss
Hodge
if
she's
agreed
to
be
my
clicker
this
morning,
it's
just
walked
through
some
of
the
properties
that
may
be
of
interest
to
this
group
in
terms
of
their
Heritage
status.
C
The
building
code
services
reports
that
a
heritage
permit
was
issued
for
demolition
and
new
construction
in
2009,
the
site
plan
control
approval
extended
to
December
31st
2012.
But
as
the
proposal,
the
proposal
did
not
meet
the
zoning
bylaw.
Further
extensions
are
denied
and
in
order
to
move
forward,
the
owners
of
this
property
must
return
to
the
committee
of
adjustment.
The
building
has
been
vacant
and
boarded
up
for
an
undetermined
amount
of
time.
C
C
143
Murray
Street
once
again
part
5
heritage,
designation.
The
most
recent
activity
on
this
is
a
pre-planning
application,
consultation,
August,
14
2012.
The
request
is
to
rezone
to
permit
a
restaurant
on
the
ground
floor
with
the
continuation
of
residential
use.
On
the
second
floor,
this
building
also
has
been
vacant
for
an
undetermined
amount
of
time.
The
most
recent
complaints
we
have
received
in
bylaw
services
are
for
graffiti
and
needles
on
the
site.
Generally
speaking,
this
property
is
fairly
well
maintained.
C
C
There
was
an
order
issued
by
Building
Code
service,
On,
February
27
2012,
to
correct
an
unsafe
building
condition.
There
is
a
wall
that
is
significantly
bowed
out,
bowed
out.
The
owner
has
yet
to
comply
as
of
March
22nd,
2026
2013,
and
my
latest
information
is
that
building
health
services
is
moving
forward
on
that
non-compliance.
C
C
C
C
C
260
Murray
Street:
this
is
on
the
heritage
reference
list,
category
3-
and
this
is
information
that
Sally
could
assist
with.
If
you
have
questions
on
that,
the
premises
was
operated
as
a
licensed
rooming
house,
until
September
of
2005
complaints
have
been
limited
to
board
up
needle
pickup,
graffiti
and
debris,
and
once
again
the
exterior
of
this
building
is
is
right
for
action
under
the
property
standards
bylaw
the
repair
of
the
siding,
the
porch,
the
shutters
on
the
windows,
the
roof
over
the
porch.
C
This
is
a
series
of
buildings
on
King
Edward
there
on
the
Heritage
reference
list.
The
previous
owner
of
this
property
received
approval
of
site
plan
for
two
buildings,
with
30
units,
stacked
town
houses,
approval
granted
in
February,
2001
and
site
plan
control.
Agreement
registered
in
2002
securities
are
held,
the
premises
was
operated
as
I
said.
C
C
C
We're
moving
into
an
area
where
we
haven't
as
yet
obtained
photo
photographs
of
the
buildings
and
we're
starting
to
get
into
heritage.
But
this
even
though
Clarence
and
gig
state
that
their
heritage,
the
Clarence
one
is,
is
simply
on
the
list.
The
one
at
179
gig
is
heritage
designated
part
five
and
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
run
through
our
list
of
other
vacant
buildings
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
which
don't
necessarily
have
heritage
designation,
but
that
are
of
concern
to
us
in
during
this
project,
so
miss
Arctic.
If
you
could
just
go
through.
C
C
11:25
Bank
Street
I'll
just
point
out,
as
has
been
of
concern.
Some
of
you
know
it
as
the
former
West
Coast
video
location,
Building,
Code
Services
is
satisfied
with
the
structural
integrity
of
the
building,
given
that
we
will
move
forward
with
property
standards,
issues
on
the
exterior
of
that
building.
C
So
to
date,
we
have
amassed
a
list
of
approximately
40
properties
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
that
are
vacant,
some
of
which
are
in
fact
heritage,
and
we
will
be
moving
forward
quite
quickly
on
these
issues.
In
fact,
we
have
eight
orders
prepared
being
reviewed
by
legal,
we're
hopeful
that
those
orders
will
be
put
for
service
today
or
tomorrow.
C
So,
just
to
give
you
a
bit
of
a
background,
the
recent
events
in
the
city
related
to
vacant
properties
have
brought
to
the
forefront
the
importance
of
property
owners
taking
responsibility
to
maintain
their
lands
and
the
buildings
in
good
condition,
lands
and
buildings
which
are
left
vacant
and
in
disrepair,
post
potential
public
safety
issues
and
can
make
our
communities
and
neighborhoods
unsightly
and
unpleasant
places
in
which
to
live.
They
may
even
devalue
the
surrounding
properties.
C
The
city
takes
these
issues
very
seriously
as
an
and
is
implementing
a
strategy
to
address
them
using
regulatory
mechanisms,
as
well
as
seeking
to
implement
new
mechanisms,
so
I'll
just
quickly
run
through
the
existing
mechanisms
that
we
have.
So,
as
I've
mentioned
numerous
times,
we
have
a
property
standards,
bylaw
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
a
property
maintenance
bylaw
related
to
the
lands
surrounding
the
buildings.
So
the
property
standards
by
law
does
require
that
buildings,
both
exterior
and
interior
and
lands,
be
maintained
to
a
minimum
standard
and
ensure
safety.
C
Keeping
in
mind
that
any
of
the
property
standards
orders
with
respect
to
any
of
the
buildings
which
have
heritage
component
will
reference
the
potential
to
make
application
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
a
City
of
Ottawa
board
up
by
law
requires
that
vacant
buildings
be
rendered
inaccessible
and
be
able
to
withstand
the
elements.
A
further
component
of
that
by
law
states,
the
materials
that
are
used
for
boarding
up
must
coordinate
with
other
finishes
on
the
exterior
and,
as
you
saw
in
the
previous
slides,
many
of
the
existing
boarded
up.
C
Buildings
do
not
are
not
complying
with
their
board
up
bylaw
as
well.
The
City
of
Ottawa
has
a
graffiti
management
by
law
that
requires
owners
to
keep
their
properties
free
of
graffiti.
During
the
summer
months,
we
have
two
officers
dedicated
full-time
to
proactively
issuing
orders
under
our
graffiti
management
bylaw
as
well.
C
We've
started
enforcing
stringently
our
signs
bylaw,
you
might
notice
around
some
of
the
vacant
buildings
that
they
put
up,
boarding
or
hoarding
around
it,
and
on
that
hoarding
there
are
numerous
posturing
signs
that
is
not
permitted
under
the
signs
bylaw,
and
so
we
have
started
to
pursue
that
issue
as
well
to
make
sure
that
those
signs
those
posters
are
removed.
So
what
we're
proposing
what
we
will
be
putting
forward
as
our
proposals
on
the
18th
of
April,
is
some
potential
new
mechanisms
to
address
these
issues.
C
As
you've
noticed
before
we
spoke
of
graffiti
needles,
vagrants
homeless
people
gaining
access
into
the
building,
so
there
are
additional
resources
that
are
frequently
required
at
vacant
buildings
as
well.
We're
proposing
some
amendments
to
the
property
standards
bylaw
to
strengthen
the
provisions
in
the
existing
bylaw
and
to
require
higher
standards
of
maintenance
of
vacant
lands
and
buildings
to
prevent
the
deterioration.
C
It
is
our
proposal
on
the
18th
that
we
develop
specific
standards
pursuant
to
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
for
the
maintenance
and
repair
of
heritage
buildings
as
well.
We're
intending
to
amend
the
bylaw
so
that
the
issues
that
the
components
of
the
bylaw
related
to
vacant
buildings
are
taken
out
and
they're
put
into
one
section
specifically
fire
safety
plans
for
commercial
buildings
on
vacant
commercial
buildings.
It
is
required
that
fire
safety
plans
be
in
place
and
that
safety
systems
be
maintained.
So
that
would
be
something
else
that
we'd
be
pursuing.
C
B
D
From
what
I
can
see,
that's
it,
it
seems
to
be
a
two-pronged
approach.
You
have
some
new
initiatives
that
you're
proposing
and
then
to
give
you
some
new
powers
and
then
there's
also
dealing
with
the
what
powers
you
already
have
and
that's
to
where
I'd
like
to
direct
my
question.
You
mentioned
that
there
are
many
existing
buildings
which
currently
do
not
comply
with
the
existing
powers.
You
have
and
I
guess
the.
If
you
could
remind
me
just.
Why
is
it
that
we're
at
that?
D
C
This
this
issue
has
was
the
policy
the
procedure
in
the
former
City
of
Ottawa,
where
many
of
these
buildings
are
located,
that
if
a
vacant
building
was
properly
boarded
up,
that
was
sufficient.
The
lack
of
resourcing
for
the
most
part
prevented
them
from
taking
proactive
measures
against
the
buildings.
As
we've
moved
forward
through
this
process,
it's
become
clear
to
us
that
we
certainly
do
have
the
power
to
do
this.
We
now
have
the
resources
and
that's
why
we're
pursuing
it
at
this
time.
D
This
one
follow-up:
can
you
give
me
of
the
the
issues
that
you've
stated
to
us?
Would
you
have
any
idea
what
percentage
you
can
actually
deal
with
with
the
current
powers
that
you
have
now
that
you
have
the
resources
and
how
many
will
only
be
able
to
be
dealt
with
with
these
new
powers
that
you're
seeking.
C
Certainly,
on
the
exterior
of
the
buildings,
a
hundred
percent,
we
have
standards
for
exterior
of
buildings
and
we
can
pursue
that.
What
we're
proposing
in
terms
of
heritage,
buildings
and
amendments
to
say
might
be
something
like
the
City
of
London
where
and
they
require
that
if
a
heritage
building
is
to
be
left
vacant,
the
heating
system
must
stay
on
inside
that
building.
We
do
not
currently
have
those
provisions
in
our
bylaw.
It
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
take
forward
and
pursue
if
Council
is
willing.
A
Good
morning,
thanks
for
your
presentation,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
existing
property
standards
by
law,
as
it
is
state.
Does
this
by
law
cover
every
type
of
building
use?
In
other
words,
does
it
cover
all
commercial
uses
or
institutional
uses
or
industrial
uses?
Does
it
covered
buildings
that
are
owned
by
say
the
municipality
of
Ottawa
or
school
boards,
or
the
federal
government
or
the
province?
So
does
the
bylaw
cover
all
of
these
conditions.
C
Yes,
the
bylaw
covers
all
types
of
buildings.
Some
of
the
examples
you
gave
get
into
authority
of
the
municipality.
However,
the
standards
that
are
established
in
our
bylaw
are
meant
to
apply
to
all
buildings
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
Moving
forward
on
enforcement
of
those
standards
is
where
we
may
get
into
issues
of
authority,
visibly
the
federal
government,
those
kinds
of
issues,
but
given
how
we're
about
to
pursue
this,
we
don't
dismiss
those
buildings
simply
because
they
aren't
privately
held
or
they're,
not
residential.
We
will
move
forward
methodically
with
all
of
the
buildings.
A
Now
the
booth
board
milk
probably
creates
a
kind
of
puzzle
in
most
people's
minds
because
you
don't
know
which
country
it's
in
or
which
planet
is
on,
but
it
is
a
an
enormous
building
of
heritage.
Interest
on
shorter
island
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
next
to
Victoria,
Island,
and
it
has
now
been
vacant
and
deteriorating
for
over
40
years,
is
owned
by
dom
tar
and
it
is
a
building
built
in
1904.
So
it
has
if
it
has
not
been
designated
by
the
city
of
ottawa.
A
It
certainly
has
merit
in
visiting,
but
I've
visited
that
building
have
done
a
number
of
studies
on
it
for
the
National
Capital
Commission
over
the
years,
and
it
has
been
slowly
deteriorating,
but
is
a
major
part
of
our
industrial
heritage
in
City
of
Ottawa
and
I
would
like
to
to
know
that
the
property
standards
bylaw
will
enable
the
city
to
inspect
and
to
recommend
action
for
this
building.
Now
these
are
that's
a
building.
A
That
is
not
an
example
of
the
tiny
little
houses
that
we
have
seen,
but
is
much
more
significant
in
the
identity
and
history
of
of
Ottawa.
That
has
been
certainly
overlooked.
So
my
question
is:
will
the
does
the
existing
bylaw
actually
cover
this
building
and
I
won't
ask
why
we
haven't
done
anything
I
know
it's
a
question
of
resources
and
priorities,
but
that's
the
second
second
question
that
I
have.
C
Interesting,
mister,
don't
ski
that
you
raised
this
one,
because
we
discussed
on
a
Friday
afternoon.
This
would
be
an
issue
that
I
would
have
to
address
with
the
legal
services
some
of
the
buildings,
the
ownership
in
councillor,
Clark's,
Ward,
there's
a
building,
that's
owned
by
out
in
the
embassy.
For
instance,
if
legal
services
says
we
can
move
forward,
then
we
will
move
forward
but
I
on
some
of
the
properties.
The
ownership
is
not
straightforward,
shall
I
say
so.
We
will
be
coordinating
very
closely
with
legal
services.
A
It
is
a
heritage,
interest
I'm,
not
sure
if
Sally
can
tell
us
whether
there
is
it's
on
the
heritage,
reference
lists
or
not,
I
think
it
is,
but
there's
a
candidate
building
that,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
the
ownership,
is
clear,
it's
certainly
not
owned
by
the
city
or
the
federal
government.
My
understanding
it's
privately
owned
and
therefore
should
be
one
of
those
properties
that
this
would
be
qualifying
for,
inspection
and
application
of
the
standards.
C
A
I'm
sure,
just
one
final
thing,
which
we're
talking
about
the
Heritage
reference,
this
could
I
request
that
from
city
heritage
staff
that
the
members
of
the
committee
are
given
the
spreadsheets
of
the
buildings
that
are
on
the
heritage.
Reference
list,
I
realized
that
through
out
of
date,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
in
this
discussion
to
know
which
ones
are
actually
on
the
list.
Do.
E
E
E
E
I'm
sure
I
can
speak
to
that
hydro
owned
some
buildings
and
Dawn
to
our
owns
other
buildings
on
the
site
and
that
it's
always
in
the
NCC
owns
a
little
bit
of
land
and
the
city
owns
a
little
bit
of
land.
There
are
multi
ownerships,
but
high
bill
hasn't
acquired.
Anything
new
recently
and
antalya
means
the
owner
of
the
former
buildings
associated
with
the
with
the
match
and
pulp
and
paper
industry
and.
B
F
Madam
chair
and
just
in
regards
to
the
vice-chair
is
a
question
today:
how
do
you
know
when
miss
Andersen,
when
you're
going
out
for
derelict
derelict
property
call
if
it
is
on
the
Heritage
List?
What
is
suppose
us
to
sort
of
go
through
to
determine
I
know
today?
There
may
not
be
higher
standards
for
it,
but
are
you
aware
of
that,
when
you
they're
a
cross-check.
E
Through
you,
madam
chair,
the
the
heritage
reference,
this
is
on
map,
so
any
address
that
anyone
in
the
city
look
that's
our
GIS
system,
so
it
can
be
checked
by
by
Linda
and
her
and
her
staff
plus
they
often
ask
us
to
double
check,
so
it
is
available
without
consulting
hair
to
staff
or
with
consulting
heritage
staff.
Perfect.
F
Thank
you
and
you
know
I
know,
I
have
12
or
so
properties
and
kitc
asipi
that
are
a
problem
and
and
vacant,
but
they're
not
on
the
Heritage
List.
So
I
won't
take
time
to
ask
about
that,
but
it
does
having
a
heritage
designation
on
a
derelict
property,
help
you
or
hinder
you
today
or
make
no
difference
and
that's
why
you're
seeking
more
teeth
to
this
situation
as.
C
C
We
had
a
very
successful
one
in
Sandy
Hill
a
few
years
ago,
where,
with
the
assistance
of
heritage
folks,
we
were
able
to
repair
the
building
to
what
it
should
have
been
in
the
manner
in
which
it
should
have
been
repaired.
So
it
makes
a
difference
in
terms
of
heritage.
It
makes
a
difference
in
terms
of
Building
Code
services
in
terms
of
what
can
be
developed
there
and
what
kinds
of
permits
are
required.
C
D
F
In
terms
of
the
you
know,
you
discussed
earlier
having
them
minimum
standards
and
I
guess:
minimum
standards
are
normally
what
all
you
can
legally
apply
without
going
to
a
different
level
of
approval
from
the
courts,
or
does
that
apply
in
heritage?
If
a
minimum
standard
is
just
to
board
it
up,
or
maybe
you
could
explain
with
minimum
kind
of.
C
E
And
has
to
be,
or
someone
believes
that
it
has
to
be
demolished.
It
still
has
to
go
through
the
process
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
if
there
is
a
designated
building
that
is,
that
has
fallen
into
deep
disrepair,
they
can't
just
go
in,
and
and
and
once
it's
been
determined
that
it
isn't
salvageable,
they
still
have
to
apply
for
a
demolition
permit
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
receive
the
permission
of
City
Council
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
that
is
another.
E
F
Thanks
I
appreciate
that
clarification
and
just
on
the
the
287
Cumberland
Street,
they
got
a
permit
to
I
think
change
that
to
a
ten
story,
building
or
something
in
2001,
but
that
permit
is
dormant
does
anything
change
throughout
time
if
we
decide
that
a
building
has
you
know
an
increase
in
Heritage
import
during
the
time
likely,
this
permits
been
sitting
dormant.
What
happens
over.
E
Through
you,
madam
chair,
the
that
building
has
been
designated
since
the
mid
nineties
and
it
you
know
it
has
remained
a
designated
building,
it
hasn't
become,
you
know,
more
designated.
It
has
been
protected
the
entire
time.
His
level
of
protection
has
stayed
the
same,
so
the
it's
don't.
The
process
is
still
the
same,
and
if
the
owner
changes
changes
mind
about
what
kind
of
you
know
that
they
didn't,
that
permit
wasn't
picked
up
in
2001,
so
if
they
want
to
do
something
else
with
that
building
another
permit
has
another
application
under
the
Heritage.
E
F
E
Through
you,
madam
chair,
there
are
there
the
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
buildings
are
designated
under
part
four,
as
individually
designated
buildings
or
as
part
five
and
within
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
In
both
those
parts,
there
are
provisions
to
have
a
heritage,
buildings,
property
standards
that
would
allow
repairs
to
be
made
in
situations
such
as
as
you're
addressing
now,
and
that's
something
that
Linda
and
her
team
will
be
looking
at
when
they're
analyzing
the
whole
approach
that
they
are
going
to
be
taking.
E
Her
we
have
I
mean
if
they're
on
the
Heritage
reference
list,
and
there
are
issues
we
have
found.
We
use
Mallis,
weijin
and
someone.
You
know
someone
will
come
in
and
say
we
have
to
take
these
off.
We
have
a
bill
of
property
standards,
order
of
building,
you
know
whatever
and
we
say
well,
could
you
please
do
it
in
such-and-such
and
so-and-so
to
try
to,
if
not
restore,
to
keep
it
compatible
with?
What's
there,
but
that's
just
through
the
voluntary
compliance
on
the
part
of
the
property
owner,
but
we're
reasonably.
We
have
been
successful.
G
G
Can
pick
you
out
another
half
dozen
and
seems
to
me
that
when
I
did
approach
on
a
houses
at
the
corner
of
Lake,
Gliese
and
Montreal
Road,
that
I
was
given
to
understand
that
property
stands,
has
no
authority
in
that
area,
exterior
appearance
and
now
you're
telling
me
you
do
so.
I
will
email
you
that
chief
Anderson,
because
I
think
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
I
have
had.
If
you
will,
we
should
add
others
in
here.
Some
of
them
are
boarded
up
even
but
there
have
been
vacant
for
a
year
anyway.
G
In
any
event,
the
other
thing
that
you
put
a
limited
property
tax
Council
did
pass
something
on
limiting
commercial
property
tax
vacancy
reductions.
They
request
the
promise
to
eliminate
that
it
seems
to
me
that
the
we
need
to
go
a
step
farther
and
giving
you
more
enforcement
possibilities
not
just
on
heritage
but
on
vacant
properties
in
general
and
whether
there's
any
buildings
on
them
in
general,
somehow
or
other.
We
need
to
stimulate
people
not
to
just
Park
them
from
whatever
they've
done
in
that.
G
That's
to
me
something
that
just
a
part
of
the
whole
reason
I
raised
the
issue
in
December.
Why
I'm
not
letting
it
go?
The
other
thing
I
noticed.
You
said
something
well
being
on
map.
Well,
you're,
well,
aware
that
councillors
don't
get
on
map
anymore,
because
we
might
violate
somebody's
privacy
I'm
not
going
to
leave
that
one
go
either.
I
think
that's
another
one!
We
need
to
get
back
to
not
here
before.
D
G
C
G
G
The
wine
Montreal
role,
that's
in
this
list,
they've
applied
for
a
demolition
permit
because
they're
going
to
part
of
a
larger
piece
of
property
and
they
have
gone
through
the
proper
processes.
We'll
see
what
happens
to
it,
but
I
am
concerned,
I'm
concerned
that
I
can
drive
by
and
see
vacant
properties,
and
nobody
else
sees
them
much
enough.
D
G
H
H
C
The
one
on
will
fraud
is
being
dealt
with
the
by
Building
Code
services,
so
I
won't
answer
on
their
behalf
in
terms
of
enforcement,
what
they
would
do
generally
under
property
standards.
We
issue
an
order,
but
the
date
of
compliance,
a
reasonable
date
of
compliance,
the
owner
of
the
property,
has
14
days
to
appeal
the
order
to
the
property,
Standards
Committee
and
then,
after
that,
going
through
that
process,
when
the
compliance
date
is
met.
If
there's
been
no
action,
then
we
have
two
routes
that
we
can
follow.
C
Sometimes
we
take
one
route,
sometimes
the
other
time
that
sometimes
both
we
can
charge
the
owner
of
the
property
with
failing
to
comply
with
the
order
and
go
through
the
courts
or
we
can.
Actually,
we
have
the
power
to
do
the
work
ourselves
and
charge
it
back
to
the
property
owner
depending
on
the
magnitude
of
the
work
required.
We
a
tendency
to
go
to
through
the
court
process
first
before
we
do
the
work
just
to
ensure
that
were
the
city
and
the
ratepayers
aren't
going
to
be
paying
for
those
repairs.
H
Lenoir
another,
it
really
was
more
money.
My
question
really
was
more
in
generally
speaking,
so
when
you,
you
say
now
that
there
are
greater
resources
being
directed
in
this
area,
enabling
you
and
your
team
to
investigate.
Do
those
resources
also
roll
into
following
up
on
these
issues
of
non-compliance.
H
C
To
get
dedicated
two
of
our
most
experienced
property
standards
officers
over
the
next
18
months
to
deal
specifically
with
this
issue.
They
will
be
doing
everything
from
A
to
Z
on
this
issue,
so
they
will
be
issuing
the
orders.
They
will
be
attending
the
appeal
committee.
If
necessary,
they
will
be
attending
court
if
necessary
and
they
will
be
ensuring
the
work
gets
done
at
the
end
of
the
process.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
another
question:
that's
all
right!
This
goes
back
to
the
potential
new
mechanisms,
the
higher
standards
and
maintenance
that
are
specific
to
heritage,
defining
character,
defining
elements
in
buildings
that
are
designated
under
either
part
four
or
five.
You
mentioned
the
issue
of
keeping
the
heat
on.
Are
there
any
other
things
specific
examples
you
within
that
those
recommendations
other
than
keeping
the
heat
on
that
will
be
in
the
report.
C
At
this
point,
we
haven't
started
to
work
on
it.
The
the
City
of
London's
property
standards.
Bylaw
has
incorporated
a
fairly
significant
piece
on
on
heritage
properties,
which
I
think
addresses
it.
So
it
would
be
absolutely
requiring
and
very
clearly
requiring
the
owners
of
heritage
properties
to
maintain
those
heritage
elements
and
having
that
all
incorporated
into
the
property
standards
bylaw.
So
it
would
bring
the
two
pieces
of
legislation
marry
them
together.
Better
okay,.
H
B
C
When
we
were
meeting
pre
meeting
the
three
of
us
before
this
I
had
thrown
out
there,
the
idea
that
perhaps
this
committee
would
like
for
us
to
come
back,
say
after
say
three
month
period
and
give
you
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
this
project.
If
it's,
the
will
of
the
chair,
certainly
available
to
do
that
so
by
three
months.
C
B
It's
a
good
idea,
and
and
also
just
for
your
information,
the
report
will
go
live
the
week
before
the
committee
and
certainly
Joelle
will
send
out
the
report
to
every
member
of
the
committee
for
your
review
and
then
the
way
that
that
works.
If
you
want
any
of
us,
can
come
and
and
register
to
speak
as
delegate
as
a
delegation
and
and
speak
on
that
day
as
well.
So
after
you
read
the
report
also
in
reading
the
report.
G
B
B
Think
oh
I
get
lucky
then
also,
for
example,
there's
something
that
you
feel
that
any
of
us
feel
is
missing.
There's
also
an
opportunity
to
ask
one
of
the
members
of
the.
Are
you
still
on
that
committee?
Councillor
Hobbs
community
Protective
Services,
you
just
you
just
which
to
right,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
and
there's
a
lot
of
counselors
that
are
on
it,
including
counselor
Fleury,
who
has
a
lot
of
the
properties
in
his
area.
B
So
if
there
was
something
that
you
thought
that
should
be
beefed
up,
certainly
putting
together
a
motion
having
that
discussion
with
him
or
any
of
the
other
members
on
the
committee.
Councillor
Holmes
is
also
on
and
she
has
a
fair
amount,
a
number
of
properties
that
are
under
heritage,
designation
and
on
the
reference
list.
H
A
The
processes
of
reorganization
were
buildings
which
have
a
use
then
become
vacant
and
I'm.
Thinking
specifically
of
examples
like
the
city's
Bayview
Works,
the
art
building.
This
is
something
that
the
city
owns
and
are
we
actually
taking
the
measures
that
are
needed
to
set
an
example
to
private
sector
that
buildings
within
our
portfolio,
which
aren't
designated
yet
under
part
4
part
5,
but
are
slated
to
be
that's
one
example
another
example
again
in
the
industrial
land
use.
A
You
have
the
the
booths
treat
complex
owned
by
inner,
can
on
Rochester
and
and
booth
and
there's
a
whole
block
of
buildings
there
that
are
now
vacant,
and
they
are
not.
You
know,
designate
under
part
five
or
part
four
and
the
intera
Heritage
Act,
but
they
are
now
empty.
And
what
initiative
can
the
city
take
to
approach
enter?
A
Can
to
ensure
that
we
don't
have
demolition
by
neglect
there
for
cluster
of
buildings
that
are
designated
by
the
federal
heritage,
building
Review
office,
febrile
as
as
recognized
so
I
think
that
the
ones
that
have
come
to
our
attention
are
the
really
visible
ones
which
are
the
small
houses.
And
maybe
you
know
our
lady
school,
but
I
think
that
it's
important
as
councillor
Hobbs
said
she.
A
You
know,
candidates
for
demolition
by
neglect,
and
that's
my
my
suggestion
that
the
proactive
process
might
also
include
you
know,
discussion
between
city
staff
and
say
the
staff
of
school
boards
school
boards.
Often
you
know,
sell
buildings
that
have
heritage
interest
or
that
are
not
designated,
and
our
ladies
school
was
one
of
them,
and
the
school
board
could
very
well
have
put
an
easement
on
the
building
that
by
selling
it,
you
are
obliged
to
restore
it,
and
you
know,
and
then
maintain
it.
C
I
just
certainly
agree.
The
report
on
the
18th
will
be
a
strategy
report,
so
we're
going
forward
with
with
an
initial
strategy
and
looking
for
an
endorsement.
Once
we
get
into
doing
the
various
amendments
to
the
bylaws,
we
will
be
consulting
with
heritage
groups
on
the
Heritage
components
of
it.
So
no
doubt
we'll
be
back
to
this
committee,
with
with
the
the
amendments
that
we're
proposing
interesting.
C
Since
we
had
a
within
our
own
branch,
we
had
a
fairly
significant
list
of
vacant
derelict
buildings,
but
once
the
story
was
out
into
the
media
within
a
week's
time,
our
list
had
doubled.
So
there
are
people
out
there
that
are
keeping
us
in
the
loop
in
terms
of
vacant
buildings.
Our
officers
are
out
in
two
areas
of
the
city.
Every
single
day
we
will
be
proactive
and
identifying
those
buildings
as
long
as
they
are
not
derelict
as
long
as
they
have
windows
and
doors
and
their
weather
tight.
C
D
I
I
think
I
know
the
answer.
This
question,
but
I
just
want
to
confirm.
I
know
that
in
some
of
the
buildings,
both
for
being
one
of
them,
that
I
was
in
the
building
is
considered
a
hazardous
site
now,
because
of
pigeon
and
raccoon
droppings
and
I
just
wondered
are
some
buildings
that
store
boarded
up,
but
raccoons
are
tunneling
underneath
getting
inside,
and
then
the
droppings
create
a
hazardous
situation.
Is
that
something
you
can
currently
take
action
on,
or
do
you
is
that
something?
D
C
C
If
we
change
the
regulations
through
amendments
to
the
bylaw,
that
would
require
us
to
have
access
into
the
buildings,
it's
not
impossible.
We
would
require
a
warrant,
but
we
could
go
in.
We've
recently
dealt
with
a
building
outside
the
Senate
center
core
that
had
significant
animal
infiltration
into
the
building,
even
though
somebody
was
are
still
living
in
that
building
and
we
have
dealt
with
it,
we
are
dealing
with
it.
We
rely
on
experts
to
assist
us
with
that.
So
it's
part
of
what
we
do.
F
F
C
We'll
certainly
look
at
that
right
now.
Boarding
up
requires
that
it
boarded
up
against
the
elements.
I
don't
have
the
definition
of
elements
in
front
of
me
and
whether
or
not
it
includes
animals,
but
certainly
I
agree
with
you
that
that
certainly
animals
inside
of
the
building
can
cause
significant
damage.
So
we
will
be
looking
at
that.
I
appreciate
your
your
giving
me
that
thought
so.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
that.
A
On
Laurie
Street
ago,
gate
was
owned
by
the
school
board
and
was
closed
and
kept
vacant
for
15
years
between
the
early
1980s
and
midden
1995,
and
at
that
time
the
City
of
Ottawa
did
not
feel
that
the
property
standards
by
law
permitted
it
to
inspect
the
building,
because
it
was
a
non
residential
building.
It
was
the
vacant
school
and
the
dilemma
was
that
over
that
period
of
15
years
there
were
some
leaks
in
the
flat
roof.
A
There
were
openings
in
the
flat
roof
the
pigeons
got
in,
and
the
water
penetrated
the
roof,
and
over
the
years
there
was
a
cascading
waterfall
and
then
ice
that
formed
and
the
entire
interior
of
the
school
collapsed.
And
this
was
not
withstanding.
You
know
I
was
involved
as
the
heritage
architect,
for
some
groups
that
were
trying
to
purchase
the
school
and
civil
case
study
is
an
example
that
I
want
to
bring
forward
about
how
they
need
to
inspect,
really
includes
the
need
to
look
at
flat,
roofs
as
well.
A
In
the
end,
the
property
was
purchased
by
Saunders,
your
geek
nonprofit
group,
but
the
cost
of
the
renovation
which
was
for
community
center
and
condos
escalated
to
between
a
quarter
of
a
million
and
a
half
million
dollar
extra,
because
the
school
board
did
not
put
a
few
small
patches
on
the
roof,
which
could
have
been
a
few
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
the
kind
of
escalating
problem
that
we
have
and,
in
you
know,
I
visited
the
booth
board
mill
and
there
are
trees
growing
out
of
the
roof
and
I.
A
Don't
know
whether
that,
where
the
trees
are
a
natural
element
or
whether
it's
just
water,
snow,
ice
and
wind,
but
certainly
animals
and
trees
that
affect
the
integrity
of
the
structure
should
be
considered.
One
of
the
same
thing,
because
the
effect
is
it's
not
dissimilar.
So,
just
as
a
way
of
you
know
adding
to
your
the
scope
of
the
intent
of
the
bylaw
and
the
and
the
inspection
techniques,
I
think
you
should
consider
what
councillor
Hobbs
suggested.
Thank
you.
B
C
Actually,
what
we
currently
can
do
and-
and
the
issue
is
that
we
haven't
sufficiently
married
up
the
Heritage
attributes
with
with
our
property
standards
by
law,
but
on
a
normal
building
with
no
Heritage
attributes.
If
we
believe
that
the
roof
is
leaking.
If
there
are
signs
that
it's
in
disrepair,
we
can
require
the
owner
of
the
property
to
produce
a
report
to
show
that
the
roof
is
sound
if
the
property
owner
does
not
do
that.
So
this
is
by
way
of
order.
C
So
if
we
get
now
some
of
that,
you
know
some
of
the
buildings
that
currently
exist
in
the
city
that
have
fallen
into
dereliction,
we
will
do
our
best
if
nothing
else.
It
is
our
hope
that
by
requiring
works
to
be
done
on
these
buildings,
it
may
encourage
some
of
the
owners
to
move
forward
with
some
of
the
plans
that
they
might
have
had
in
the
past
and
not
followed
up
as
quickly
with
as
they
we
would
hope.
C
They
would
but
certainly
going
forward
we're
hoping
to
create
a
bylaw
strong
enough,
so
that
similar
things
cannot
happen
to
other
buildings
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
But
even
if
we
don't
have
ready
access
into
the
inside
of
a
building,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
require
the
owner
of
that
building
to
prove
something
to
us.
If
we
have
reason
to
believe
that
there
is
a
problem
such
as
the
roof
leaking,
but.
B
You,
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
have
reason
to
believe,
is
the
is
what
the
code
I
think,
the
point
that
the
vice-chair
was
raising
because
it's
a
flat
roof.
So
it's
not
like
your.
If
you
have
a
pitched
roof
and
you
can
obviously
see
a
hole
in
it
or
the
the
the
chimney
leaning
away
from
it
or
you
know
the
well,
it's
very
easy
to
see
that
if
you're
looking,
but
in
the
case
of
a
flat
roof-
and
we
have
many
samples
of
those
around
the
city-
you
wouldn't
see
it.
So
how
about
this?
B
C
Vacant
building
permits
I
believe
at
the
in
the
city
of
Winnipeg.
They
started
at
$1000
for
the
first
year
or
$2,000
for
the
first
year
and
I
believe
they
increase
every
year
up
to
five
fifteen
hundred.
No,
they
started
to
and
go
up.
Oh
so
it's
two
thousand
then
the
next
year
it's
two
thousand
plus
another
amount.
So
every
year
that
the
building
is
left
vacant,
there's
an
increased
permit
fee
are.
B
You
going:
are
you
sure
that
that
amount
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
cost
recover
the
extra
services
that
you're
going
to
have
to
have
your
staff?
Do
because
it's
so
it's
a
very
big
project,
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
take
the
presentation
to
the
max
and
you
have
those
two
people,
for
example,
their
salaries
are
probably
their
senior
people.
I'm
sure.
B
Is
that
going
to
be
sufficient
to
be
recovering
that
because
I
think
that
that's
what
we
would
want
to
see
we'd
want
to
see
an
investment.
That's
going
to
so
that
you're
able
to
adequately
visit,
protect,
follow
up,
I
mean
once
you
start
talking
court
cases
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
I
mean
that's
a
lot
of
time.
That's
you're,
not
on
the
road
you're,
you
know
doing
things
other
than
what
I
think.
What
we
would
like
you
to
be
doing
so
is
that
fee
cost
recoverable.
C
We'll
certainly
be
looking
at
those
permit
fees.
I
think.
The
other
thing
to
remember
is
that
presently
these
buildings
are
causing
a
lot
of
work
for
us
for
for
bylaw
services,
for
fire,
for
police,
for
the
needle
hundred
through
Ottawa,
Public
Health,
and
those
costs
are
not
we're
not
recovering
them
adequately.
C
B
Would
it
be
possible
if,
for
example,
when
the
person
the
owner
comes
in
to
to
pay
for
the
perimeter
or
on
an
annual
basis
or
on
a
biannual
basis,
that
they
have
some
kind
of
a
structural
checklist
that
is
signed
by
someone
of
authority?
That
says
yes,
there's
no
tree
growing
out
at
the
top
of
it?
No
there's
no
birds
and
raccoons
that
are,
you
know
that
there
are
affecting
the
impact
in
the
integrity
of
the
of
the
building.
Is
that
possible
legally?
Or
is
that
something
that
you
that
right,
you
would
have
to
see.
C
We'd
have
to
consult
with
legal
services
on
on
where
we
could
go
with
that,
the
the
big
if
I
may
use
the
term
the
big
stick
with
them,
winning
that
with
the
Winnipeg
bylaw
is
that
eventually,
at
the
end
of
the
process
of
the
permits,
the
municipality
can
actually
take
possession
of
the
property.
Currently
in
Ontario,
we
don't
have
that
legal
right.
We've
got
legal
services
looking
into
all
of
that
for
us
as
well.
So
that's
just
one
of
the
tools
that
were
pursuing.
C
B
I
think
that
there's
a
very
well
it's
a
huge
stick
that
Winnipeg
has
if
they
have
the
right
to
do
that,
and
we
don't
have
that
right.
So
therefore
that
changes,
my
opinion
of
the
annual
cost
for
a
permit
I
think
that
if
we
have
that
I,
don't
think
it's
unreasonable
and
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
you
to
follow
up
and
with
legal
and
see
whether
can
do
it.
I
think
that
there
should
be
some
kind
of
an
inspection
that
goes
along
with
the
permit
and
I.
Think
that
it
doesn't.
B
B
Therefore
you
don't
get
your
permit
and
then
we're
going
in
in
a
different
fashion.
We've
got
a
lot
of
catch
up
to
do,
and
certainly
I
was
disappointed.
I
think
that
every
single
one
of
these
places
that
you
mentioned
the
social
impact
of
the
needle
pickup
needle
pickup
needle
pickup
I
mean
they
go.
There
seem
to
be
going
and
not
seeing
they
are
going
hand
in
hand,
so
I'm
wondering
why
it
took
us
this
long
to
to
take
action.
B
I
mean
we
I,
think
that
we've
heard
from
Linda
hold
I,
see
in
the
and
the
audience
over.
The
years
has
talked
about
her
own
community
and
and
people
in
Vanier
I
mean
in
their
communities
that
have
come
before
various
committees
of
Council
over
the
last
12
years.
At
least
there
are
two
years
and
have
talked
to
just
about
that,
and,
and
so
I
mean
it's
good-
that
we're
doing
it
now,
but
man,
it's
like
a
wake-up
call
that
should
have
alarmed
should
have
gone
off
a
long
time
ago.
B
So
I
would
like
you
to
my
takeaway
would
be
certainly
look
at
those
fees
see
if
they
are
rigorous
enough
high
enough
to
do
what
you
need
to
do,
because
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
upfront
work
that
you're
going
to
have
to
do.
I
mean
it's
going
to
take
at
least
a
couple
of
years
before
I
think
that
you're
going
to
have
a
really
good
handle
on
it,
especially
with
just
two
people
and
I.
B
Don't
think
that
it's
unreasonable
to
also
consider
the
the
place
that
got
the
rezoning
as
we
know,
there's
a
time
frame
that
people
have
to
reapply
or
they
have
to
have
their
plan
a
subdivision
after
they
do
their
zoning
or
that
there's
those
rules
to
do
under
the
Planning
Act.
That
I
think
that
we
could
use
with
this
as
well.
So
if
somebody
comes
in
like
the
one
from
2001
and
it's
zoned
for
ten
stories
well,
I
think
that
there's
has
to
be
a
refresher
or
something
that
also
would
bring
to
the
attention.
Mr.
B
mark
detention
of
yourselves,
and
certainly
this
Committee
on
the
heritage
issues
and
I,
think
that
mr.
mark
probably
would
know
whether
we
were
able
to
do
that
or
not
you
know
quite
easily,
but
I
think
that
that
would
add
more
teeth
to
it.
Anybody
have
any
comments
on
anyone
on
that,
because
this
is
our
opportunity
for
miss
Anderson
and
her
team
to
take
away
our
comments
like
to
see
it.
Yeah,
remember
small,
but
I.
D
Just
I
really
want
to
great,
but
you
said,
I
think
it's
so
important
that
to
get
the
permit
to
the
to
leave
it
vacant
that
there'd
be
some
sort
of
inspection
that
would
somebody
has
signed
off,
saying
they've
been
inside
and
there
isn't
water
cascading
through
it.
You
mention
about
a
wake-up
call
in
councilor
Clark's
Ward
there
was
a
building
245
Crichton
Street
owned
by
the
City
of
Ottawa,
and
that
building
was
demolished
simply
because
of
a
roof
leak.
It
had
not.
It
was
owned
by
the
city.
The
building
was
not
properly
inspected.
D
There
was
no
heat
kept
in
it,
water
leaked
through
the
roof.
It
was
a
simple
repair
that
might
have
cost
a
couple
of
thousand
dollars
and
as
a
result
of
failure
to
repair
that
that
building
had
to
be
demolished-
and
it's
just
it's
shocking
to
see
that
that
that
resources
get
demolished.
For
those
reasons.
So
I
strongly
agree
with
your
suggestion.
B
A
E
B
G
B
B
So
if
there
is
more
that
can
be
done,
then
what
we
would
hope
that
you
would
do
that.
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
coming
today,
look
forward
to
seeing
the
whole
report
and
again
Joelle.
You
will
be
sending
it
to
us
as
soon
as
it's
available.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
that's
we're
just
onto
any
notices
of
motions.
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
receive.
It
was
just
a
presentation,
any
inquiries,
but
we
do
have
some
other
business.
Mr.
Clerk
well.
G
E
G
We'd
like
to
see
where
this
is
going
and
what
sort
of
timelines
are
there
and
things
like
that
because
I,
you
know
when
we
still
have
them
categorized
as
category
four,
which
is
a
meaningless
category
when
the
Briarcliff
one
and
the
new
one
doesn't
doesn't
do
that
it
clearly
it's
heritage
value,
it
isn't.
It
seems
to
me
a
lot
cleaner
and
I
think
that
the
new
Edinburgh
one
needs
refurbishing,
that
rocof
Park
one
needs
referring.
G
E
Part
of
regular
councils,
business
I,
understand
that
work
plans
are
circulated
to
all
councillors
when,
in
the
term
of
council
work
plan,
so
I
think
that
and
I
know
that
planning
and
growth,
management's
and
revisions
are
coming
up
in
a
report.
Format
to
Planning,
Committee,
I'm,
so
I
think
it
might
be
also
on
the
April
April
18th.
E
G
E
B
G
B
Good
at
okay
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
remind
everybody
that
heritage
Ottawa
has
a
special
lecture
and
book
launch
Werner,
Ernst,
north
key
Ottawa's
architect,
it's
on
April,
the
17th.
It's
a
lecture
by
architectural
historian,
Shannon
Ricketts
at
the
Ottawa
Public
Library
auditorium
reception
at
6:00
and
lecture
at
7:00,
and
we've
asked
that
we
have
this
information
in
here.
It's
a
way
an
opportunity
where
we
can
showcase
what's
happening
in
the
city
and
hopefully
people
that
are
reading
their
reports
if
they
are
I,
mean
there's
lots
of
people
interested
in
heritage.