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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee - March 12, 2019
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Built Heritage Sub-Committee Meeting - March 12, 2019 - Audio Stream
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A
Sir
trick
thickness
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
our
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting
for
March
12th
I'd
like
to
call
our
members
to
order
and
please
take
your
seats
I
think
we
have
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
ottawa's
built
an
unseeded
territory
of
the
Algonquin
Anishinabe
nation
and
we'd
like
to
thank
the
Algonquin
people
for
their
hospitality,
shia-sunni
Aquila,
big
data,
wasa
Tusa
and
telecoil
no
CD
the
National
Eagle
K
Anishinabe.
They
should
share
them
FCA
the
para
algo
campus
from
Ospital
ETA.
A
This
is
a
first
meeting
of
this
term.
We
have
our
newly
appointed
members,
citizen
members
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee,
I'd
like
to
welcome
our
new
members
and
our
returning
members
Jennifer
how
so
very
Podolski,
carolyn
Quinn
and
Amanda
conforte,
looking
forward
to
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
on
this
committee
and
the
community,
knowledge
that
you
bring
and
the
professional
and
personal
experience
and
expertise
that
you'll
bring
to
our
deliberations
during
this
term.
So
welcome
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
We
have
regrets
this
morning
from
counselors,
McKenney
and
counselor
Moffitt.
A
Okay,
confirmation
of
the
minutes
from
Monday
February
11th
are
the
minutes
confirmed
confirmed.
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
the
election
of
the
vice
chair
for
the
built
heritage
subcommittee.
So
we
will
take
a
moment
for
a
bit
of
procedure
here,
the
role
device
chairs
to
act
as
chair
in
my
absence
and
is
usually
the
mover
on
amendments
for
reports.
Before
we
proceed,
we
need
to
move
a
motion
to
add
the
item
to
the
agenda
pursuant
to
a
rules
of
procedure
and
I.
Believe
member
Podolski
will
now
make
that
motion.
A
B
You
very
much
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
make
these
motions,
because
what
they
do
is
they
allow
me
to
that
end.
My
career,
as
vice
chair
of
this
committee
since
2013,
so
be
it
resolved
that,
pursuant
to
subsection
89
three
of
the
procedure
bylaw,
the
both
areas
subcommittee
ad,
the
election
of
a
Spicer
as
an
item
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
is
the
motion
Cade
and
Harry.
Thank
you
second,
be
it
resolved
that
the
big-haired
is
set
committee,
appoint
Carolyn
Quinn
as
its
vice
chair
for
the
2018
2020
to
200
console
as
a
motion.
A
We'll
move
to
our
first
item
now.
First
item
is
an
application
for
new
construction
at
103,
a
Crichton
Street,
which
is
a
property
designated
under
part
5
of
the
interior,
Heritage
Act
and
located
a
number
Heritage
Conservation
District,
we'll
begin
with
a
presentation
from
an
Fitzpatrick
from
the
planning
department.
I
also
want
to
remind
if
there's
any
public
members
in
the
audience
today,
I'd
like
to
speak.
There
is
a
sign-up
sheet
by
the
front
door
that
you
can
add
your
name
to.
If
there's
any
delegations
wishing
to
make
a
presentation
today
and
thank
you
good.
C
C
Just
to
zoom
in
through
you'll,
see
the
driveway
for
the
property
is
off
of
Crichton
Street
and
the
back
of
the
property
faces
on
to
River
Lane
103a
is
the
property
that's
shaded
in
so
the
Derby
was
severely
damaged
by
fire
in
2018,
but
these
are
just
some
photos
of
what
the
building
looked
like.
Prior
to
that
it
is
a
semi-detached
structure
that
was
constructed
in
1991.
It
is
a
non-contributing
building
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District,
which
was
designated
in
2001.
C
C
C
This
is
a
site
plan
for
the
application,
which
is
in
front
of
you
today,
which
is
to
permit
the
reconstruction
of
a
house
with
minor
modifications.
The
design
will
be
based
on
the
original
permit,
goings
and
measurements
taken
from
the
adjoining
unit.
The
new
structure
is
going
to
be
constructed
on
top
of
the
existing
foundation,
where
the
materials
will
be
consistent
with
the
permit
house
and
will
match
the
adjoining
building.
C
C
The
west
and
south
elevation
will
replace
the
windows
and
doors
at
the
rear
of
the
house,
with
sliding
doors
and
in
the
South
elevation.
You
can
see
the
addition
of
another
small
window
in
terms
of
consultation
here,
John
wah
and
the
new
Edinburgh
Community
Association,
with
both
notified
neighbors
within
30
metres
of
their
property,
one
notified
of
the
application
and
offered
the
opportunity
to
comment,
and
the
office
word
for
me,
raucous,
which
is
aware
of
the
application.
C
So
in
conclusion,
staff
recommendation
is
that
the
application
reach
them
remember,
HT,
guy
binds
the
building
will
contribute
to
and
does
not
detract
from
the
character
of
the
new
Edinburgh
HCD.
So
our
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
application
to
construct
a
new
building
issue
the
heritage
permit
with
a
two
year
expiry
date
and
delegate
authority
for
minor
design,
changes
to
permanent
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Note
that
we
do
have
correspondents
submitted
from
Bethany
Graham,
as
well
as
from
heritage
Ottawa,
and
we
have
a
presentation
from
Sally
Koontz
in
the
planning
department
and
if
there
is
anyone
who
wants
to
speak
to
this
item,
who
hasn't
yet
signed
up,
you
can
do
so
at
the
table
located
at
the
front.
We'll
give
Sally
a
moment
here
to
to
get
set
whenever
you're
ready
Sally
over
to
you.
E
Chair,
so
this,
as
was
mentioned,
is
an
application
for
a
demolition
and
new
construction
in
Morocco
Park
Parish,
Conservation
District.
The
property
is
located
on
Mariposa
Crescent,
which
was
created
in
the
1950s
south
of
the
existing
Mariposa
Avenue.
There
are
three
properties
that
directly
face
the
Crescent
and
there
is
a
little
island
with
a
tree
in
the
middle.
The
property
proposed
for
demolition
and
was
built
in
1954
it
and
put
a
split-level
property
and
has
been
altered
from
its
original
configuration
in
recent
years.
E
Here's
another
some
summer,
pictures
of
the
of
the
property
we're
showing
the
current
configuration
and
also
that
the
property
the
photo
on
the
right
shows
the
existing
driveway
in
the
driveway
next
door,
which
has
created
this
expanse
of
asphalt
on
Mariposa
Crescent.
The
the
proposed
this
image
shows
two
things
in
map
and
apologize
on.
My
notice
doesn't
apologize
for
the
famous,
but
this
shows
two
things.
One
is
what
we
always
ask
for
an
applications
on
in
local
park.
E
Analysis
of
the
zoning
of
the
of
the
property
and
the
compliance
of
the
proposal
with
it
so
on
the
chart
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
shows
that
the
building
is
at
nine
point.
Three
meters
is
less
than
they
allowed
height
of
11
meters
in
the
area
and
it
meets
the
force
base,
index
ratio
and
the
coverage
for
the
site,
and
you
can
also
again
it's
kind
of
light,
but
be
the
footprint
of
the
original
building
is
in
this.
E
In
this
image
I
into
the
building,
it
has
the
same
set
back
as
the
Fright
Night
set
back
as
the
original
building
it
also
the
original
building.
It
does
not
comply
with
the
zoning
bylaw,
so
this
has
been
moved.
E
So
again,
as
we
said,
if
property
is
designated
under
part,
5,
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
located
and
walk
with
Park
Heritage,
Conservation,
District
and
all
applications
to
demolish
our
altar
tomorrow
and
alter
designated
hedged
varies,
requires
City
Council
approval
oops,
so
this
am
as
a
series
of
elevations.
Both
them
in
in
the
been
apologize.
I
think
that
so
we
on
the
left,
you
see
the
the
elevation,
and
then
you
see
it
and
color
rendering.
So
this
is
the
front
facade.
We
worked
extensively
with
the
applicant
I
during
the
design
process.
E
Originally,
the
roof
was
at
a
steeper
slope,
there
were
donors
and
it
was
higher.
So
we
worked
to
answer
those
things
and
we
also
of
the
proportion
of
stone
to
our
smooth,
dressed
stone
to
western
was
altered
and
the
front
door
was
simplified
in
the
before-and-afters
are
included
in
your
in
the
staff
report.
So
here
we
have.
This
is
the
the
garage
which
faces
north
ish.
One
of
the
things
in
the
new
walk
with
park.
Heritage
conservation
district
plan
is
to
ask
that
integral
garage
is
no
longer
face.
E
The
street
and
every
effort
be
made
to
have
them
face
sideways,
so
they
don't
dominate.
The
streetscape
here
is
the
rear
yard,
the
rear
elevation,
the
showing
of
the
garage
and
as
you
made
it,
steps
down
towards
the
garage
so
because
now
poses
on
a
hill
and
the
property
steps
downwards
as
it
towards
the
bungalow
on
the
honors
north
side,
and
there
is
the
other
side
elevation
we
ask
the
applicant
to
to
do.
This
is
for
illustrative
purposes
only,
but
to
show
how
the
building
may
look
in
terms
of
the
streetscape
and
as
you
can.
E
It
is
difficult
because
it
is
a
it's
a
Cove,
but,
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
it
steps
down
the
hill
and
the
hill.
Take
in
the
hill
then
takes
advantage
of
then
takes
attention
here
to
allow
the
garage
to
be
accessed
at
grade
more
grade.
Then
here
is
a
similar
drawing
of
their
buildings
on
the
street
in
relation
to
one
another
as
they
step
down
they
share
and
here's
another
rendering,
but
not
with
the
current
landscaping
shown
the
Heritage
Conservation
District.
Guidelines
that
are
applicable
to
this
on
are
contained.
In
seven
point.
E
Four
point:
two
of
the
walk
of
park:
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan,
which
says
that
new
building
shall
contribute
to
and
not
to
detract
from
the
Heritage
character
of
the
hcg
new,
though
they
should
be
at
their
own
time
and
Integra
collages
should
be
located
in
a
manner
that
respects
the
streets.
They
should
be
maintained
there
in
some
interior
yard
shall
be
sensitively.
Silent
and
natural
materials
should
be
used
and
I
discussed
the
garage.
Again.
We
worked
closely
with
the
designer
to
make
sure
that
the
that
this
setback
saw
the
front
yard.
E
Setbacks
were
consistent
with
what
was
in
existence
and
to
bring
the
building
into
conformity
in
terms
of
its
Saigon
setbacks
and
it's
all
natural
stone,
both
dressed
in
smoothes.
That
will
be
used,
and
then
our
third
recommendation
is
regarding
that
the
landscape
plan.
Currently
the
front
yard
of
the
property,
as
you
saw
in
photos,
is
very
plain,
and
the
rear
yard
is
distinguished
by
a
number
of
large
mature
trees,
out
of
which
will
remain
the
because
the
driveway
is
being
the
garage
is
being
moved
to
the
to
the
to
the
east.
E
A
new
driveway
will
be
installed
on
that
side,
and
the
former
vast
expanse
of
asphalt
on
the
and
the
west
side
will
be
turned
into
LAN.
The
new
garage
complies
with
the
zoning
bylaw
in
terms
of
its
the
distance,
its
width
and
distance
from
the
side
yard
from
the
from
the
property
line,
and
then
the
there
were
two
trees
jacent
to
the
east
side,
which
will
be
removed
to
allow
for
this
construction
and
they're
being
replaced
with
the
trees
in
the
front
right
here
on.
E
That
will
be
a
large
when
planted
so
in
terms
of
landscape.
The
Heritage
Conservation
District
guidelines
for
new
construction
say
soft
landscaping
that
dominate
the
property.
In
this
case
on
there
will
be
a
lot
more
soft
landscaping
than
before,
because
the
driveway
will
be
brought
into
confirma.
T
new
buildings
were
decided
to
respect
the
established
landscape
character
of
the
streetscape.
The
building
is
being
is
on.
The
from
a
footprint
of
the
original
building,
drivers
will
conform,
the
new
driver
does
conform
at
the
zoning
bylaw
and
the
existing
landscape
character
shall
be
preserved.
E
So
it's
a
very
simple
Crescent
constructed
in
the
1950s,
the
the
the
landscape
capture
with
the
new
trees
in
the
front
yard,
to
preserve
that
character
in
terms
of
consultation,
heritage,
Ottawa
was
notified
of
the
application,
and
it's
comments
are
included
in
the
staff
report,
which
perhaps
isn't
true,
but
in
may
have
comment.
They
have
no
comment.
E
E
E
That,
by
we
were,
we
were
supported
to
the
application
as
as
submitted,
and
so
we
go
back
to
the
end.
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
recommends
the
approval
of
the
application
to
demolish
the
building,
the
approval
of
the
application
to
construct
a
new
building
and
the
landscape
plan,
and
our
usual
delegation
of
minor
design
changes
to
general
manager
and
the
issuance
of
a
permit
with
a
two-year
expiry
date.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
You
Sally,
we
do
have
three
public
delegations
registered
so
good
or
public
delegations.
First
step
will
be
Bethany
Graham,
followed
by
Andre,
Gaudi
and
David
Jeanne's,
so
Bethany.
If
you
could
come
forward
to
the
table,
each
delegation
is
up
to
five
minutes
to
make
the
presentation
and
then
committee
members
will
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
as
well.
F
B-Daman
and
the
lesson
my
name
is
Bethany
Graham
and
over
that
522
mill
is
a
crescent
I'm,
an
immediate
neighbor
to
the
property
in
question.
Firstly,
I
wanted
to
start
by
saying
that
I'm
very
pleased
to
welcome
their
neighbors
to
the
Crescent
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
demolition
and
construction
of
the
new
home
on
the
lot.
I
did,
however,
have
two
concerns
that
about
to
address
today.
These
are
other
provisions
addressed
in
Rockland
Park
heritage
conservation
plan,
which
is
adopted
by
the
city
as
bylaw.
F
My
first
concern
regards
massing
and
setback
of
the
proposed
new
property.
Mariposa
Crescent
is
a
very
small
Crescent.
There
are
only
three
homes
within
the
Crescent,
all
of
which
were
built
in
the
1950s.
My
home
is
the
bungalow
style
home
on
the
east
side
of
the
Crescent.
The
home
across
from
the
west
side
is
a
split-level
home
on
a
hill
and
518
Millers.
A
crescent
is
the
middle
home,
which
is
currently
at
the
bungalow
which
directionally
faces.
F
The
opening
of
the
Crescent
looking
into
the
Crescent
for
Mariposa
street
into
Mariposa
Crescent
518,
is
the
center
of
the
Crescent.
My
concern
is
that
the
new
two-story
house,
replacing
the
original
bungalow,
will
not
be
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
streetscape
of
the
Crescent
in
terms
of
massing
and
scale.
My
one
is
a
Bengal
and
under
lower
grade
of
the
Crescent,
given
that
the
new
home
being
proposed
at
518,
would
you
choose
story
and
is
already
at
a
high
level
in
my
home
within
the
Crescent?
F
It
was
that
the
shade
in
shadows
on
her
house
negatively
and
would
dominate
the
Crescent
and
a
full
view
from
the
street.
The
current
plan
might
meet
the
requirements
of
the
zoning
bylaw
in
terms
of
design
and
scale
some
average
homes
within
Rock
with
Park.
There
are
many
large
homes
within
Rock,
Live
Park,
which
are
surrounded
by
other
large
homes
that
might
be
compatible
with
the
nursery
streetscapes
that
this
new
development
will
overtake
the
surrounding
homes
currently
in
the
Crescent
and
would
not
be
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
Crescent
inundated.
F
The
committee
would
consider
suggesting
the
home
be
set
further
back
with
some
limitation
on
height,
in
order
to
provide
a
more
appropriate
level
of
scale
in
keeping
with
the
other
homes
and
to
avoid
one
home.
The
over
the
dominant
feature,
rackleff
characters
conservation
plan
on
page
rated
states
that
one
of
its
main
objectives
is
to
ensure
that
new
house
construction
is
compatible
with
and
sympathetic
to
and
has
regard
the
height
massing
and
setbacks
of
the
established
heritage.
F
Character
of
the
streetscape
I
would
like
to
note
that
there
should
be
no
obstruction
to
our
access
to
light
based
on
the
new
designs
and
consideration
of
setting
that
that
further
will
also
address
this
potential
issue.
My
second
concern
regards
the
placement
of
the
garage
and
the
location
of
the
swimming
pool.
The
new
proposed
design
for
518
mokos
o
moves
the
existing
garage
from
the
west
side
to
the
east
side
of
the
house.
This
mean
that
my
driveway
and
the
new
proposed
driveway
will
be
next
to
one
another.
F
The
negatively
affect
our
family
in
terms
of
safety
of
our
children
and
our
peace
of
mind
and
noise
pollution.
On
page
24
of
the
relative
rock
cliff
heritage
conservation
plan,
it
notes
the
establishment
of
new
driveways
to
supplement
existing
driveways
when
permitted.
If
a
driveway
must
be
moved
because
of
an
addition,
the
new
driveway
will
be
established
in
conformity
with
these
guidelines
and
other
municipal
bylaws.
Then,
thanks
for
your
time
and
consideration,
ok.
A
G
A
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair
my
question.
Mr.
Gordon
is
more
about
the
landscaping
that
is
about
the
design
of
the
house
itself,
I.
Just
in
regards
to
his
Gran's
concern
about
the
proximity
of
the
new
driveway
on
the
east
side,
I'm
just
wondering
how
you're
going
to
handle
the
landscaping
and
that
strip
of
property
separating
the
two
driveway,
so
they're
going
to
be
either
shrubbery
is.
G
H
G
And
similarly,
the
stepping
down
of
the
height
of
the
house
following
the
slope
to
the
east
is
also
quite
good.
So
I
clearly
can't
and
won't
speak
to
any
concerns
of
neighbors,
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
to
know
that
I
have
a
lot
of
affection
for
the
old
house,
but
I
understand
why
development
has
to
make
some
changes
here.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
B
B
The
other
question
which
I
think
deserves
to
be
asked
or
staff
and
answered,
is
the
question
that
was
raised
by
as
miss
Graham,
and
that
is
the
relationship
of
new
buildings
to
their
immediate
neighbors
in
terms
of
taking
cues
on
character
and
scale.
I
think
that
the
planner
can
respond
to
that
question
because
it
comes
up
frequently,
particularly
in
rock
cliff
and
I,
think
that
if
you
could
talk
about
why
these
two
bungalows
and
this
one
are
compatible
with
each
other,
specifically
about
that.
So
that
would
be
helpful
and.
E
Mr.
chairs,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
the
the
walk
of
plug
on
speak
to
buildings
being
men
that
you
measure
them
in
terms
of
their
impact
on
the
other
and
grade
one
buildings
in
the
streetscape.
This
particular
question
doesn't
have
any
grade
nine
buildings.
So
then
we
looked
at
it
just
in
terms
of
them
in
terms
of
again
a
scale
and
massing
and
setback
in
it.
E
There
is
very
clear
that
we
wanted
it
on
this
and
the
current
footprint
of
of
the
existing
there
were
so
it
wouldn't
that
relationship
of
house
to
land
was
maintained
which
the
architect
adore,
the
designer
did,
move
move
the
building
and
again
we
asked
for
a
little
height
the
the
property
that
you
see
as
you
enter.
The
court
is
the
one
on
the
sort
of
you
see
both
are
then
in
the
right
and
that
you
will
see
this
one.
E
It
is
a
two-story
building
with
a
Wednesday
with
a
it's
a
split-level
which
follows
the
curve
so
that
it
is
a
two-story
building,
as
is
this
so
again,
I'm
not
apologize,
because
on
my
screen,
this
is
very
clear,
and
here
you
have
a
very
faint
version.
So
I
don't
know
how
to
deal
with
that
in
terms
of
between
laptop
and
large
screen
that
you
see
they're
not
in
a
row,
because
it's
a
crescent
that
you
see
that
the
the
height
this
building
is
higher.
E
But
it
does
step
down
and
again
with
a
shout
with
other
kind
of
grade,
one
building
to
cue
from
we
just
try
to
do
our
best
in
balancing
and
rezoning
by
a
height
and
owner
aspirations
to
achieve
what
the
final
designs
and
that's
what
we
did
in
this
particular
instance
with
willingness
on
the
part
of
the
designer
to
lower
the
building
and
to
to
introduce
a
lot
of
landscaping
to
improve
this.
Did
the
character
of
the
court
as
a
whole.
A
A
A
I
Think
here,
let's
chair,
this
is
just
a
brief
presentation
to
bring
especially
the
new
members
of
both
her
subcommittee
up
to
speed
on
this
file
and
what's
happening,
and
it's
mostly
just
some
visuals.
So
we
can
work
through
those
fairly
quickly,
I'm
glad
one's
really
familiar
with
house.
It
was
designated
back
in
1996
and
two
enough
story.
Stone,
structure.
I
We
had
an
unfortunate
collapse
back
in
July
of
this
year.
You
can
see
on
the
image
on
the
left,
which
was
the
collapse
that
occurred,
and
the
image
of
the
rate
was
a
result
of
an
immediate
I
guess:
Building
Code
evaluation
by
determination
with
a
heritage
engineer
to
be
able
to
stabilize
entire
building
an
additional
portion
of
it
had
to
come
down,
and
that
shows
what's
occurred
as
a
result
of
that
John's
here
today
and
he'll
further
elaborate.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions,
this
is
some
images
of
current
situation.
I
I
I
There
was
an
application
for
huge
permit
for
demotion
and
October.
The
owner
later
changed
his
mind
and
decided
to
retain
the
house
and
November,
and
so,
as
a
result,
we've
been
working
with
them
very
closely.
Over
the
many
months
and
more
recently
in
mid-february,
building
permits
were
issued
for
the
restoration
and
Harwich
permits
were
issued.
I
Is
probably
the
better
word
to
use?
So
this
is
an
image
of
that
stabilization,
permit
that
has
been
submitted
to
Building
Code
and
to
Heritage,
because
you,
a
sense
of
just
to
be
able
to
stabilize
the
building
and
close
the
building,
protect
the
building
and
remove
everything
from
the
sidewalk
and
reopen
the
sidewalk
to
pedestrians
as
the
desire.
I
H
So
I'll
fill
in
some
comments,
I'd
just
further
Teresa
discussions
that
I've
had
with
both
the
owner
of
the
property,
as
well
as
the
engineer
of
record
at
the
structural
engineer
who
has
been
retained
and
the
engineer
does
have
a
heritage
experience.
It's
RJC
consultants,
RJC
engineers,
there
was
a
pre-construction
meeting
following
the
issuance
of
the
building
permit
and
to
be
clear
and
tackle
what
that
with
Dana's
indicated.
H
The
permit
itself
is
strictly
for
the
stabilization,
it's
for
an
interim
stabilization
with
the
goal
of
obviously
stabilizing
the
building,
of
course,
but
to
allow
the
sidewalk
to
reopen,
as
well
as
the
portion
of
the
street,
the
the
curb
Lane
parking.
That's
currently
within
perimeter
fencing.
So
the
stabilization
that
the
permit
has
been
issued
in
a
pre-construction
meeting
occurred
exactly
one
week
ago
today,
with
the
owner,
with
the
engineer
and
with
construction
forces,
and
all
signs
are
trending
towards
the
stabilization
work
being
able
to
commence
in
a
matter
of
days.
H
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
exactly
the
day.
However,
it
is
weather
dependent
right
now,
as
you
can
appreciate
the
stone
rubble
masonry
as
a
result
of
the
collapse
of
previous
selective
demolition
is
currently
under
quite
a
heavy
layer
of
ice
and
and
snow
and
whatnot,
and
also
at
the
at
the
pre-construction
meeting,
some
additional
work
to
be
required.
Some
required
work
has
been
identified,
so
there
there's
going
to
be
an
additional
likely
as
selective
demolition
as
well
as
stabilization,
perhaps
over
and
above
what
was
initially
thought.
H
However,
all
indications
are
that
this,
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things,
is
very
minor,
it's
mostly
hand
working
and
whatnot.
So
anyhow,
we
are
building
code.
Services
is
expecting
a
further
report,
a
monitoring
report
to
follow
this
week
as
well
as
we
are
expecting
a
schedule
to
to
be
produced
and,
of
course,
very
appreciative.
The
engineer,
as
well
as
building
code
and
then
City
of
Ottawa
staff,
of
the
need,
the
requirement
to
reopen
the
sidewalk
and
end
road
and
get
the
community
back
to
his
normal
scenario
as
possible
as
soon
as
possible.
A
G
H
By
mr.
chair,
that
is
one
component:
absolutely
it
councillor.
The
the
other
component,
I
touched
on
briefly
that
at
the
last
say
meeting
a
week
ago,
a
little
bit
more
work
was
discovered
that
this
required
to
be
done.
Some
minor
demolition
and
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
ahead,
because
if
we
haven't
seen
the
report
itself,
but
just
in
speaking
with
the
engineer,
there
has
been
possibly
a
minor
scope
change
minor,
though
being
my
understanding,
not
nothing.
That
will
require
additional
permits
or
iterations
through
through
Building
Code
Services.
H
H
Have
asked
this
of
the
engineer
as
well
and
we
are
anticipating
a
schedule
again
there
is
that
variability
in
terms
of
the
the
construction,
assemblies
and
whatnot,
and
sometimes
where
your
plan
isn't
what
actually
ends
up
happening,
but
roughly
it's
a
matter
of
weeks.
The
months,
hopefully
not
you
know
from
everybody's
and
I
would
suggest
it
won't
be
a
few
days.
It
would
be
a
matter
of
weeks
weeks.
H
Unfortunately,
that's
the
best
they
can
do,
I
mean
we
don't
have
the
schedule
at
this
point.
I
wish
I
could
tell
you,
it
would
be
exact
a
month.
You
know
and
I
can't
unfortunately
do
that,
but
it
will
be.
You
know
several
weeks
now
know.
One
thing
I
should
add
for
the
benefit
of
the
committee.
Here
is
that
it's
been
emphasized
and-
and
the
engineer
has
agreed
to
phase
the
work
appropriately
such
that
the
the
sidewalk
and
the
road
can
be
reopened
as
soon
as
possible.
H
What
that
means
there
is
an
overhead
protection
component
on
the
sidewalk,
and
we
just
talked
about
it
this
morning
is
that
every
effort
is
going
to
be
made
to
actually
do
that
overhead
protection
along
the
sidewalk
in
parallel
with
the
stabilization
work
and
then
once
the
stabilization
work
is
complete
to
a
point
to
allow
the
sidewalk
to
reopen
the
fencing
can
be
removed,
as
opposed
to
put
them
in
series.
Do
the
stabilization
work
and
then
do
the
sidewalk
yeah?
G
It
is
so
there
is
a
point
at
which
the
front
wall
is
no
longer
in
imminent
or
no
longer
a
risk
of
collapse,
and
you
can
have
the
overhead
in
place,
even
while
the
rest
of
the
work
is
on
ongoing
in
the
rest
of
the
site's
correct.
Okay,
at
the
completion
of
work,
there's
no
occupancy
permits
that's
being
granted
here.
That
would
be
a
significant
amount
of
other
work
in
order
to
do
a.
H
G
H
H
That
further
to
that,
though,
the
orders
there
was
a
series
of
orders
issued
right
from
the
day
of
the
collapse
on
where
there's
been
several
orders
and
they
remain.
In
effect,
the
vast
majority
have
not
been
complied
with
in
totality
and
one
of
the
items
in
the
order
and
its
deadline
has
come
and
gone.
It
is
to
have
this
building
rebuilt
properly
under
the
proper
building
permits
and
I'm.
Not
just
talking
about
this
temporary
stabilization
I'm
talking
about
the
substantial
rebuild,
including
an
under
heritage
opponent
as
well.
H
That
has
not
been
done,
so
those
orders
remain
in
effect
and
we
will
continue
at
2:00
to
push
towards
gaining
compliance
on
the
orders.
This
file
is
currently
under
the
under
the
watch
of
Building
Code
Enforcement,
Building,
Code,
Enforcement
group
and
I
know
that
we
they,
in
conjunction
with
our
legal
department,
have
had
several
conversations.
So
it's
we're
quite
aware
that
there
is
a
bigger
picture
here
and
that
we
continue
to
push
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
elements
of
all
of
the
orders
are
complied
with.
So.
G
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
absolutely
clear
on
that.
There
is
an
order
in
place
to
bring
the
building
back
up
to
the
point
where
it
could
be
occupied.
That
is
correct,
okay,
which
is
that
under
that's
a
building
code
order,
yes
correct,
so
any
enforcement,
if
that
comes
under
the
the
tools
that
are
in
the
building
code,
a
correct,
okay
and
a
final
question
for
you
there's
a
lot
of
discussion.
This
is
presumably
expensive
work.
H
Can't
comment
on
the
overall
financial
wherewithal
I
would
be
speculating.
We
have.
We
have
had
conversations
with
the
owners
council
on
this
matter,
and
all
indications
are.
They
would
not
be
going
down
this
path
complete
with
a
permit
for
stabilization
and
trending
towards
rebuild
if
it
was
not
ultimately
viable.
So
beyond
that,
though,
counselor
I
can't
tell
I
can't
comment
on
the
overall
financial
ability
to
undertake
the
entire
project.
One.
G
H
The
the
building
is
being
monitored
and
we
do
have.
We
have
been
receiving
monitoring
reports
that
the
building
is
not
prone
to
any
collapse
in
its
current
state.
However,
that
being
said,
the
perimeter
fence
is
up
there
for
a
reason
and
as
it
stands
right
now,
it's
been
deemed
by
two
sets
of
structural
engineers
with
Meritage
experience,
and
the
defense
has
to
remain,
as
is
until
such
time
as
stabilization.
Work
is
done
to
the
building.
So
is
the
building
safe
to
occupy
right
now
and
no,
it's
not.
H
Is
it
safe
to
access
for
the
purposes
of
construction
and
evaluation?
We
have
documentation
tation
from
the
engineer
to
suggest
that,
yes,
for
the
purposes
of
short
term
access,
it
is,
it
is
authorized,
but
I
will
say
that
there
is
still
in
order
to
another
to
remedy
an
unsafe
building
that
remains.
In
effect,
you.
G
Are
keen,
as
is
the
community
and
I'm
sure
the
local
councillor,
to
get
the
sidewalk
open
as
soon
as
possible?
Would
it
not
just
be
safe
to
wait
until
the
stabilization
initiative
is
complete
and
then
do
it
like
I,
don't
suspect
that
will
take
too
long
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
and
we
can
ensure
public
safety
and.
H
I
apologize
if
perhaps
I
misspoke
or
was
somewhat
misleading,
so
the
fence-
that's
currently
around
the
property-
will
not
be
removed
until
such
time
as
the
building
is,
is
stabilized
to
a
point
to
authorise
the
removal
of
the
fencing,
I
guess
what
I
was
trying
to
suggest
is
what
the
plan
is
is
in
lieu
of
the
fencing
that's
currently
in
place.
H
G
So
no
I
appreciate
that
my
issue
with
the
overhead
cover,
while
the
stabilization
initiative
is
ongoing,
as
the
overhead
structure
will
protect
you
from
an
Aeron
brick
that
not
an
Aaron
wall
and
so
I'm
just
saying,
although
I'm
not
a
structural
engineer,
it
would
seem
to
me
to
be
cautious
to
keep
the
sidewalk
closed
until
the
stabilization
initiative
is
complete,
not
be
fencing.
This.
H
G
Finally,
in
the
event
that
best
intentions
go
off
plan
and
we
do
get
to
a
situation
where
little
progress
is
being
made.
What
are
the
legal
remedies
that
the
city
has
to
force?
Something
to
happen?
I
mean
we
have
a
gaping
hole
in
a
building
for
half
a
year.
Now
the
behind-the-scenes
work
that's
going
on,
but
locals
are
probably
thinking
when
on
earth.
Are
we
going
to
see
progress
here?
We
don't
want
to
get
into
situations
where
properties
are
neglected
over
time.
What
tools
do
you
have.
H
Right
now,
I
mean
obviously
we're
hoping
not
to
go
down
that
direction
in
the
event
that
it
does
happen,
we
do
have
orders
to
remedy
an
unsafe
building.
In
effect,
now,
work
can
be
undertaken
to
render
the
situation
safe,
especially
if
it
becomes
an
emergency
situation,
so
we
had
already
moved
shortly
after
the
collapse.
Incident
to
I
do
a
selective
demolition,
and
that
was
on
the
basis
of
an
emergency
building
code
order.
H
So
if
we
were
to
get
into
a
situation
like
that,
where
a
building
was
sitting
out
in
the
elements
for
some
time
such
that
at
the
building
decayed
to
a
point
that
there
was
an
emergency
situation,
we
could
absolutely
undertake
the
work.
We
could
absolutely
also
undertake
any
additional
stabilization
work
and
whatnot
that
happens
on
that
happens
to
occur.
Should
this
proposed
work
fall
off.
B
Yes,
I
would
just
like
to
thank
the
staff
for
the
update
on
us.
It's
clear
that
not
only
IV
staff,
but
the
city
at
large
are
watching
over
everybody's
shoulder
on
this
one,
because
it's
a
a
trauma
unit
candidate
and
that
I
think
that
a
further
update
in
due
course
would
be
beneficial
as
well,
so
that
we
can
all
and
the
public
can
be
made
a
positive,
the.
B
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
this
is
just
a
quick
question:
I'm,
assuming
that
the
stabilization
is
not
going
to
include
for
the
finishings
of
the
building
I'm,
just
wondering
about
the
the
status
of
the
rubble
stone
that
is
at
the
side
of
the
building.
I
know
right
now
it's
under
a
lot
of
snow
and
ice,
but
eventually
will
there
be
some
assessment
of
that
material
to
determine
if
any
of
it
can
be
reused,
and
if
so,
will
it
be
stored
somewhere?
How,
as
there
any
has
ever
been
any
thought
around
that.
H
I
Want
you
know,
yeah
in
terms
of
the
intention
to
keep
the
stone
and
hopefully
reuse
it?
That
is
something
we're.
Certainly
working
with
the
applicant
on
I
think
booth
as
their
desire.
Our
desire
as
well
I
don't
have
a
specific
location
that
will
where
to
store
it,
but
that
is
a
consideration
that
we're
doing.
D
Just
seeking
clarification,
I
understand
you're
using
the
river
to
remedy
an
unsafe
building
for
most
of
this
work.
Now,
to
what
degree
does
that
entail,
for
example,
is
remedying
an
unsafe
building?
Does
that
keep
it
stable
enough
that,
eventually,
overhead
protection
is
no
longer
required,
or
does
that
simply
stabilize
it
to
the
point
where
it
doesn't
need
to
be
fenced,
but
the
overhead
protection
could
be
there
until
something
more
is
undertaken
and.
H
The
order
to
remedy
an
unsafe
building-
that's
currently
in
effect,
is
there's
actually
multiple
tiers
to
it,
and
one
of
them
is
is
the
immediate
stabilization
which
we're
dealing
with
right
now.
It
seems
odd
to
see
immediate
several
months
after
the
fact
that,
nonetheless,
we
are
here.
So
it's
the
interim
stabilization
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
H
However,
that
is
only
one
portion
of
the
order.
The
final
portion
of
the
order
is
actually
to
ultimately
rebuild
the
building
as
a
whole
and
to
do
that
submit
another
set
of
drawings.
Over
and
above
the
interim
stabilization
for
the
long-term
rebuild
and
complete
with
interior,
fit
up
and
whatnot
and
get
it
back
to
a
livable,
/,
workable
condition,
whatever
the
ultimate
end
use
of
the
building
ends
up
being
so
it's
a
little
bit
of
both.
H
A
You
any
additional
questions
for
staff.
Okay,
I
know.
Staff
is
very
well
aware
of
the
concern
from
the
residents
and
businesses
in
the
community
and
I
know
that
everything
is
possible
is
being
done
to
make
sure
this
building
is
properly
stabilized.
It's
safe,
the
sidewalk
opens
and
eventually
a
functioning
and
occupied
building.
So
thanks
for
the
presentation
today
and
on
adjournment
is
a
motion
Kade
good.
Thank
you
we're
adjourned
and
we'll
say
we
won
on
April
9th.
Thank
you.