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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – June 11, 2015
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Built Heritage Sub-Committee meeting – June 11, 2015 – Audio Stream
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A
B
Yes,
mr.
chair
I'd
like
to
declare
an
interest
on
two
items:
one
is
on
two
e85
Acacia
were
provided
heritage,
consulting
services
to
the
applicant
and
the
other
is
180
Metcalf
and
a
tenant
in
the
office
building
of
the
developer
and
a
friend,
and
also
giving
him
heritage
advice
from
time
to
time
so
I'm
declaring
interest
in
that
item.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
conformation
minutes
any
questions.
Comments
on
the
minutes
from
the
Norfolk
you've
met:
okay,
okay,
okay,
so
the
consent
agenda
is
as
follows.
On
one
we
have
a
presentation
which
we'll
hear
in
a
few
moments
on
item
2,
which
is
a
designation
of
180
Metcalf
Street.
We
have
a
staff
presentation
and
also
a
delegation
signed
up
to
speak
on
item
3,
which
is
a
delegated
authority
for
applications
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
A
We
also
have
a
delegation
to
sign
up
to
speaks
so
we'll
hold
on
item
4,
which
is
the
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
on
220
sandwich.
We
don't
have
any
speakers
signed
up
so
I'm
looking
to
members
to
see
if
there
are
any
questions,
comments
or
can
I
have
him
be
carried
okay,
yeah,
yeah
and
just
for
the
so
that
the
public
understands
this
is
an
item
which
had
previously
received
demolition
approval
from
the
both
heritage
sub
committee.
A
The
demolition
permit
had
expired,
and
this
is
a
real
application
with
slightly
different
and
I
think
staff's
view
improved
plants.
So
this
is
not
a
new
item
to
the
BHS
see,
but
is
coming
back
a
second
time.
Okay,
so
that
item
is
Kade
and
then
item
five,
which
is
an
application
for
demolition
new
construction.
We
have
a
speaker
signed
up
to
speak
on
that
item
too,
so
we're
going
to
hold
that.
A
So
I'd
like
to
introduce
senator
Millington
and
Leanne
Aneesa,
who
I
believe
are
both
members
of
action,
Sandy
Hill
and
have
a
very
interesting
proposal
to
speak
about
this
morning.
So
welcome
to
both
of
you
and
over
to
you
for
your
presentation
and
then
we'll
give
members
here
an
opportunity
for
questions
or
comments.
Thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us.
C
Thank
You
councillor
Nussbaum,
as
you
mentioned,
my
name
is
Sunita
Newington
and
sitting
next
to
me
and
Musa
we're
thrilled
to
be
with
you
today.
As
the
executive
directors
of
prime
ministers,
rel
incorporated
oysters,
Row
is
a
newly
established,
not-for-profit
corporation
mandated
to
preserve,
protect
and
celebrate
Laurier
Avenue
East
and
its
environs
in
light
of
the
national
historic
importance
of
the
area.
C
It
stems
from
the
work
and
dedication
of
countless
local
volunteers,
long
engaged
in
the
preservation
of
our
collective
heritage
and
has
since
grown
to
garner
broad
support,
including
at
the
provincial
and
federal
levels
of
government.
We
are
here
today
in
the
hopes
that
you,
members
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee,
are
equally
captivated
by
the
potential
of
Prime
Minister's
Rome,
and
we
add
your
name
to
the
list
of
those
working
to
see
the
project
to
fruition.
C
Until
recently,
the
history
of
lorry
Avenue
East
and
its
surrounding
streets
has
seemingly
been
all
that
erased
from
our
collective
memory.
A
tragedy
given
that
this
area
has
arguably
has
more
influential
Canadians
than
any
other
community
in
the
country.
In
addition
to
a
storied
and
diverse
group
of
luminaries.
C
Martin
Terrace
today,
when
Canadians
wander
up,
Laurier
on
route
to
City,
Hall
neon
de
passe
albans,
the
martyred
church
home
to
parishioners
Sir,
John
II
and
Sir
Charles
Tupper,
or
amber
from
All
Saints
Church,
which
hosted
Sir
Robert
Borden
state
funeral
and
held
Canada's
only
Royal
Wedding
to
sit
for
a
while
in
Strathcona
Park.
They
are
quite
literally
walking
in
the
footsteps
of
our
nation
builders.
Truly,
no
other
Avenue
in
Canada.
Can
this
bounty
of
historical
riches
and
looking
at
these
buildings?
However,
you
may
remark:
the
most
of
them
are
already
protected.
C
C
The
Prime
Minister's
role
initiative
is
a
large-scale
project
that
seeks
to
bring
Laurier
Avenue
East
from
Strathcona
Park
to
King
Edward
Avenue
to
life
and,
by
extension,
to
inspire
Canadians
to
connect
with
their
history
by
creating
Canada's
first
street
Museum
in
the
heart
of
the
nation's
capital.
Prime
Minister's
row
will
offer
a
permanent,
innovative,
interactive
participation,
oriented
multi-block
outdoor
cultural
space,
dedicated
to
honoring
the
legacies
of
all
past
Prime
Minister's
and
celebrating
other
significant
nation
builders.
C
Prime
minister's
row
will
serve
as
a
major
tourist
draw
and
will
generate
interest
and
focus
on
the
City
of
Ottawa,
both
as
the
nation's
capital,
as
well
as
as
a
dynamic,
exciting
urban
space
in
its
own
right,
Greater
profile
for
Laurie
Avenue
East
through
the
celebration
of
its
unique
history
and
built
heritage,
will
respond
to
many
of
the
city's
own
strategic
priorities.
It
will
generate
economic
benefits
and
indeed
promote
small
business
growth
within
Ottawa.
It
will
encourage
the
positive,
healthy
and
appropriate
transformation
of
an
important
urban
streetscape
that
is
currently
under
appreciated.
C
It
will
encourage
increased
pedestrian
and
cycling
traffic
and,
in
this
latter
regard,
will
support
the
principles
of
sustainability.
Walkability,
bikeability
and
complete
communities
by
ensuring
locals
are
well
served
by
local
businesses
and,
conversely,
that
local
businesses
can
be
easily
accessed
by
residents
and
visitors
alike.
In
sum,
we
believe
that
the
investment
required
to
launch
Prime
Minister's
row
will
pay
enormous
dividends,
not
only
in
terms
of
profile
and
revenue
generation
for
the
city,
but
also
in
helping
build
a
healthier
happier
more
sustainable
community
at
the
heart
of
the
nation's
capital.
C
So
what
are
our
next
steps,
and
how
can
you
help
make
this
vision
a
reality
before
I
turn
to
our
specific
asks,
I
think
that
it
is
important
to
underscore
that
virtually
all
aspects
of
Prime
Minister's
row
fall
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
city.
However,
key
actors
within
other
levels
of
government
so
have
relevant
mandates.
Furthermore,
we
have
begun
and
will
continue
to
reach
out
to
private
sector
partners
to
leverage
all
funding
sources.
Our
initial
discussions
are
positive.
C
C
Instead,
we
must
continue
to
seek
compelling
enduring
innovative
and
interactive
ways
to
engage
with
the
people,
places
and
events
that
came
before
us.
It
is
only
then
that
we
will
truly
facilitate
reflection,
faster
connections,
celebrate
identity
and
actually
imbue
these
places
and
spaces
with
meaning.
C
C
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
That's
that
that
was
impressive,
and
congratulations
on
all
the
effort
and
work
that
went
into
this
effort
until
now.
Just
so
that,
before
we
moved
to
questions,
I
certainly
appreciate
the
fact
that
you've
been
very
clear
and
succinct
about
how
the
city
might
help
we're
not
going
to
consider
that
at
this
meeting
in
terms
of
any
action,
because
this
is
just
an
information
item.
But
certainly
the
committee,
if
it
chose
to
in
a
subsequent
meeting,
could
consider
through
emotion,
ways
ways
in
which
it
may
want
to
respond.
A
But
that
won't
be
the
subject
of
the
discussion.
But
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
members
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
your
questions
and
maybe
I'll
start
out
by
asking
how
things
are
going
in
terms
of
the
conversations
you've
had
with
other
levels
of
government.
You
mentioned
that
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
you
can
give
us
some
sense
of
whether
there
was
interest
when
you
spoke
to
members
of
the
federal
government
or
the
NCC,
for
example,
yeah.
C
Absolutely
we've
been
actually
very
encouraged
by
the
level
of
engagement
and
take-up
of
this
initiative.
In
particular,
we
were
invited
to
submit
a
proposal
which,
of
course,
has
opened
to
any
other
group,
but
to
the
Canada
150
funding
envelope,
which
we
have
done
we're
looking
forward
to
hearing
news
on
that
front.
C
Obviously
we
do
know
that,
certainly
with
our
area,
we
have
had
the
support
not
only
of
our
own
counselor
at
the
municipal
level,
but
at
the
provincial
level
and
the
federal
level,
both
our
MPP
and
our
MP
have
come
out
publicly
in
favor
and
support
of
the
initiative,
and
we've
also
had
very
encouraging
discussions
with
the
National
Capital
Commission.
We
know
that
an
outreach
on
the
part
of
the
city
to
discuss
would
be
positively
met.
Great.
D
First,
I'm
bidding
quite
impressed
by
what
you've
done.
First
of
all,
I
think
this
is
a
a
very
good
initiative
that
I
think
we
would
like.
I
certainly
would
like
to
talk
further
about
with
the
community,
because
I
think
there's
some
things
here.
That
would
be
very
beneficial
to
us.
Have
you
talked
with
the
economic
development
people
in
the
city
on
this?
Yet
because
I
think
there
is
a
definitely
and
economic
development
aspect
to
it.
C
We
did
in
fact
do
some
outreach
recently.
I
did
invite
mr.
Bashir
to
attend
today.
I,
don't
know
if
he
is
here,
but
if
he
isn't,
we
had
undertaken
to
follow
up
with
the
copy
of
our
presentation
and
and
an
offer
to
meet
in
person
to
discuss,
because
that's
certainly
a
relation.
A
relation
ship
and
I
think.
D
That's
a
very
important
as
we
start
to
look
at
the
city.
That's
one
of
the
important
factors
to
obviously
to
look
at
the
other
days
is
Parks
Canada,
because
they,
you
can
start
the
canal
which
is
managed
by
them
and
they
have
a
house
there,
that's
managed
by
them.
So
there
needs
to
almost
be
on
I
guess:
you've
got
a
committee
going
on
about
needs
to
bring
some
of
those
people
into
it,
because
I
think
we
miss
you
miss
enough
infrastructures
have
been
part
of
it.
The
psychological
part
is
federal
and
I.
D
Think
it's
really
important
that
the
federal
government
do
otherwise
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
work
in
the
long
run,
because
you
can
do
short-run
things,
but
the
long
run
is
going
to
require
a
partnership
at
the
city
and
via
it
could
be
through
the
NCC.
But
a
video
is
more
national,
which
is
not
an
SEC,
but
actually
the
Government
of
Canada
here
is
Canada.
Section
Cox
is
very
important
in
that
regard.
C
Of
the
responsibility
that
previously
fell
to
the
NCC
and
I
think
as
they're
feeling
out
their
mandate
ships
moving
forward.
What
we
really
need
is
to
strike
a
bit
of
a
task
force
that
will
allow
both,
which
will
allow
Parks
Canada
the
NCC
heritage
and
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
explore
those
elements
that
are
within
their.
D
I've
always
say
that
the
best
ideas
come
from
the
community
happens
in
my
area
and
I
see
it
happening
here
as
well.
So
I
would
certainly
suggest
to
the
chair
here
that
we
take
this
and
we
have
to
do
some
discussions
among
ourselves,
but
also
with
our
colleagues
and
with
city
staff,
to
see
how
the
best
way
of
of
dealing
with
this
is
in
the
city.
But
you
remember,
ask
the
federal
government
already
for
money
under
the
federal
program.
C
Yes,
that's
correct,
so
I
guess,
there's
sort
of
two
questions
I
that
all
answer
quickly
add
in
terms
of
those
those
who
will
be
receptive
to
outreach
on
the
part
of
the
city.
We
certainly
understand
that
Parks
Canada
is
very
supportive
in
principle
and
obviously,
as
the
managers
of
every
a
house
they
see,
this
is
something
that
would
obviously
benefit
Laurier
House
in
particular,
and
yes,
we
have
asked
for
funding
through
the
and
I
guess
to.
B
Sorry,
but
mr.
comment,
you
asked
us
if
you
could
captivate
us
and
I
have
to
confess
them
easily
captivated
as
someone
who
walks
Prime
Minister's
rule
almost
every
day,
because
I
live
a
since
traffic
on
a
park
and
walk
to
walk
to
my
office
in
the
Byward
market.
One
of
the
things
that
I
always
think
when
I
walk
along
is
the
footsteps
of
the
Prime
Minister's,
not
all
Mackenzie
King,
because
Mackenzie
King
walked
from
house
to
Parliament
and
back
again,
sometimes
at
night
and
always
speculated
about
imaginary.
B
A
A
Okay,
so
I
guess
so
we
have
to
formally
receive
that
presentation
received
okay,
great
thanks.
So
moving
on
to
item
two
which
is
designated
as
delegation
of
the
Medical
Arts
Building
180
Metcalf
Street
under
profile
at
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
we're
going
to
start
with
the
presentation
from
staff
and
I
know.
Miss
Collins
is
preparing
herself
for
her
presentation.
E
E
The
property
is
located
at
the
corner
of
Metcalf
and
Nepean
streets.
Just
a
couple
of
blocks
from
here.
If
you,
if
you
walk
out
the
door
of
City
Hall,
you
can
see
it
as
you
go
down
the
PN
Street.
It's
an
aerial
photo
just
showing
these
sights.
So
the
building
is
a
six-story
building
with
a
small
seven
storey
penthouse
located
at
the
corner.
It
does
have
a
large
parking
lot
which
just
out
of
interest,
was
Ottawa's.
E
First
commercial
purpose
built
parking
lot
and
had
a
very
interesting
it's
gone
now,
but
it
had
a
very
interesting
railing
was
assigned
this
at
the
parking
yard
and
it
was
included
on
the
original
plans.
So
I
know
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of
parking
in
the
downtown,
but
in
the
1920s
it
was.
It
was
all
the
fashion.
E
This
is
just
a
bird's-eye
view,
so
you
can
see
so
it's
across
from
the
new
new
building
at
the
corner
of
Nepean
and
Metcalf.
This
is
the
building
in
question.
So
this
is
the
front
facade.
You
can
see
the
rear
here,
so
it's
adjacent
to
a
sort
of
1960s
apartment
building
and
it's
a
bit
difficult
to
see
this
one,
but
that's
the
rear
with
the
parking
lot.
Just
some
photos
is
a
historic
photo
of
the
building.
E
We
don't
know
the
date,
but
I
would
imagine
it's
fairly
early
in
its
history
based
on
the
the
cars
in
the
photo.
So
it's
a
six
story,
building
designed
by
Warren
off
key
in
1927
in
the
Art
Deco
style,
and
if
you,
when
you've
been
on
this
committee
for
a
while,
you
will
that
knife
key
is
everywhere
in
this
city
and
it's
one
of
Ottawa's,
most
prolific,
architects.
This
is
a
picture
so,
as
you
can
see,
based
on
this
and
the
historic
photo,
the
building
has
been
incredibly
well
preserved
over
it's
almost
100-year
history.
E
E
Frieze
above
the
door
with
Medical
Arts
Building
written
on
it,
some
of
the
decorative
piers
and
stone
downspouts
at
the
top
of
the
building,
just
some
more
so
this
is
some
wrought
iron
grill
work
over
one
of
the
windows.
These
panels
are
in
between
the
windows
on
both
the
front
and
the
North
facade.
This
is
above
the
front
door.
It's
a
large
sort
of
two-story
arched
window.
E
E
Firstly,
there
are
three
criteria:
design
physical
value,
associated,
historical
value
and
contextual
value.
So,
for
this
building,
as
I
mentioned,
it's
a
good
example
of
the
Art
Deco
style
popular
in
Canada
in
the
1920s
and
30s.
Some
of
the
typical
features
that
I
showed
you
in
the
photos
are
it's
flat:
roofs,
those
copper
panels
and
some
of
the
geometric
pattern.
Brick
panels.
E
The
building
has
recessed
mortar
joints
that
accept
accentuate
the
sharp
edges
of
the
brick
and
there's
a
very,
even
though
it's
a
six
story
building,
there's
a
very
strong
sense
of
verticality
through
the
brick
piers
that
can
that
break
the
cornice
line,
historic
Associated
value.
It
is
associated
with
the
spread
of
commercial
office
buildings
south
from
the
central
business
district
that
was
associated
with
Parliament
Hill
in
the
late
19th
and
early
20th
century.
E
This
area
was
primarily
residential
until
these
buildings
started
to
be
constructed
in
the
1920s
and
30s.
As
I
mentioned,
it
was
designed
by
Ottawa
architect,
Werner
naki,
who
was
one
of
Ottawa's,
most
prolific,
architects
practiced
in
the
city
for
over
50
years,
and
it
is
associated
with
the
trend
of
purpose.
Both
medical
office
buildings
in
the
1920s
and
30s
throughout
North
America
they're,
similar
buildings
were
built
in
Winnipeg,
Toronto,
Montreal
Hamilton,
all
over
the
country,
and
they
were
they
were
intended
to
be
purpose
medical
office
only
and
then
contextual
value.
E
So,
in
conclusion,
the
department
determined
that
this
building
meets
all
three
of
the
criteria
of
Ontario
regulation:
oh
nine,
oh
six
and
as
a
result,
recommends
the
issuance
of
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
on
the
part
four
of
the
anterior
Harry
jacked.
According
to
the
statement.
Oh
that's
a
typo
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
attached
as
document
six
and
if
there's
any
questions,
I
can
answer
them.
E
That's
a
good
question
through
you,
mr.
chair,
the
the
application
for
zoning
bylaw
amendment
will
be
heard
by
Planning
Committee
at
its
next
meeting,
and
this
designation
application
will
also
be
at
that
Planning
Committee
meeting,
so
there
we
intentionally
scheduled
them
to
be
there
together,
so
that
they
could
be
discussed
as
a
whole.
This
designation
would
not
prevent
somebody
from
constructing
an
addition
to
this
building,
whether
it's
the
current
proposal
or
some
future
proposal.
E
However,
at
the
time
of
site
plan
application
or
a
building
permit
application,
the
property
owner
would
have
to
come
back
to
this
committee
with
an
application
to
alter
the
existing
building.
So
there
would
have
to
be
you
know,
other
formal
designs
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
As
part
of
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
the
applicant
did
submit
a
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
which
was
not
required
because
the
building
isn't
designated,
but
we
suggested
that
it
would
be
a
good
idea
and
that
document
has
been
listed
on
today's
agenda
for
information
of
the
committee
as.
A
F
E
Is
correct
so
we've
included
the
entire
exterior
and
excluded
the
interior.
We
did
have
a
look
at
the
interior,
but
there's
very
very
little
left
I
thought
there
might
be
some
very
beautiful
art,
deco
Lobby,
but
there
isn't
it's
been
all
renovated.
So
there's
not
really
anything
in
the
interior
to
to.
F
E
F
E
A
G
G
H
The
acoustics
here
my
name
is
John.
Toth
has
a
little
background
on
myself
and
on
our
company.
Our
focus
has
always
been
on
purchasing
and
developing
quality
assets
with
long
term
hold
strategy,
as
an
example
I'm
sure,
you're
all
familiar
with
Mercury
Court
on
the
corner
of
the
house
in
Reno
Street.
We
bought
that
some
35
years
ago
and
instead
of
choosing
to
demolish
it,
which
we
had
the
choice.
At
that
point
we
decided
to
restore
it
and
maintain
and
then
to
refurbish
the
whole
building.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think.
H
H
H
G
G
There
are
other
steps
to
take
heritage
planners,
contacted
my
client
who
contacted
me
and
advised
that
the
city
had
had
this
building
and
the
Heritage
List
for
a
couple
of
decades
and
was
going
to
come
forward
with
a
request
to
have
you,
committee
and
council
designate
the
building
under
part
4.
We
met
with
your
staff,
both
heritage
staff
and
planning
staff,
and
asked
them
if
they
would
work
with
us
as
they
asked
us
if
we
would
work
with
them
and
what
we
did
is
retained.
The
architect.
G
We
retained
a
heritage
consultant,
we
retained
a
plan
or
the
view
to
dovetailing
this
matter.
That's
before
you
today,
with
the
planning
application,
that's
going
to
committee
at
the
end
of
the
month.
The
immediate
and
observable
tension
was
on
the
one
end
heritage
staff
wanted
to
designate
this
building.
On
the
other
end,
you
as
a
council
that,
as
you
counselors
as
a
council,
had
determined
that
parts
of
center
town
ought
to
be
intensified.
This
site
is
one
that
calls
for
27
stories.
G
I
So
much
a
question
of
I
just
like
to
congratulate
you.
I
think
this
is
just
a
really
really
wonderful
example
of
stewardship
of
a
property
and
your
actions,
I
believe
as
a
lifetime
resident
to
make
the
city
a
richer
place.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
what
you're
doing
in
the
process
and
time
and
obviously
great
cost
you've
gone
to
on
this
project.
Thank
you.
D
D
E
Josh's
document
six
to
the
report
does
identify
the
entire
building,
but
it
also
identifies
what
the
Heritage
attributes
of
the
building
are
and
most
in
this
instance,
it's
an
interesting
building,
because
pretty
much
all
of
the
detail
is
on
the
front
and
the
north
side,
because
it's
a
corner
building,
so
there's
very
little
detail
on
the
back.
It's
a
yellow,
brick
building
with
a
you
know
a
back
wall.
E
E
E
There's
no
real
requirements.
Someone
can
apply
at
any
time.
We
generally
suggest
that
people
do
it
concurrent
with
their
site
plan,
because
at
that
point
they
have
more
detailed
designs
and
that
sort
of
thing,
because,
as
you
know,
this
committee
tends
we
tend
to
recommend
that
the
applicant
is
tied
to
their
plans.
So
if
they
were
tied
to
the
plans
that
they
have
now
for
the
zoning,
it
would
be
more
challenging.
E
A
A
Okay,
so
on
the
item:
okay,
yeah
great,
thank
you
so
we're
moving
now
to
item
3,
which
is
delegated
authority
for
applications
under
the
Ontario
jack'd,
and
if
members
have
had
a
chance
to
see
the
report,
this
report
is
recommending
essentially
formalizing
to
some
extent
existing
practice
that
additional
minor
heritage
building
alteration
approvals
be
delegated
to
the
general
manager
of
planning
and
growth
management.
So
I
want
to
see
whether
members
have
any
questions.
I
know,
staff
would
be
prepared
to
answer
them
again.
A
E
There
was
there's
one
I
can
think
of
in
walk-off
Park
last
year,
where
somebody
was
building
a
small
addition
at
the
side
of
their
house
and
generally
when
something
is
visible
from
the
street
in
ma
cliff.
We
bring
it
forward.
So
I
think
that
one
would
have
nobody
had
any
concerns
with
it.
It
was
basically
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
paper-pushing
exercise.
E
E
Yes,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
incorporated
into
the
recommend
delegated
authorities
that
the
word
council
will
be
notified
of
every
application
right
now.
The
ward
councillors
only
notified
when
it's
something
that's
coming
forward
to
this
committee
and
then
the
board
Council
will
have
the
ability
to
withdraw
the
delegated
authority
if
they
wish,
and
then
it
would
come
forward
to
this
committee
and
council.
Okay.
A
Thank
you
for
that
vision.
I
think
that's
important.
So,
essentially,
what
staff
is
saying
is
if
either
the
word
comes
for
takes
the
delegate
authority
away
or
staff
is
recommending
refusal
of
the
application
in
either
case
it
would
come
to
the
to
council,
which
I
think
is
sufficient
protection
in
terms
of
a
contentious
application.
F
Thank
you,
I
just
did
a
checklist
this
when
I
went
over.
The
one
question
came
to
mind,
which
was
in
terms
the
the
size
of
potential
alterations
the
size
if
the
size
of
a
proposed
alteration
is
less
than
30%
of
the
gross
floor
area
of
the
existing
building
and
the
proposal
meets
the
conservation,
district
guidelines
or
district
plan.
Can
you
just
tell
me
what
how
the
30%
was
arrived
at.
E
Through
mr.
chair,
we
we
originally
didn't
have
a
percentage
in
there,
and
then
we
thought
that
it
needed
to
be
more
specific
and
and
more
and
clearer.
So
we
chose
30%
because
that's
the
number
that
was
that
used
to
be
included
in
the
Heritage
overlay,
so
under
the
zoning
bylaw.
If
you
were
building
an
addition
that
was
30%
of
the
gross
floor
area
or
less,
you
did
not
need
a
minor
variance
under
the
zoning
bylaw
because
it
was
deemed
to
be
a
minor
addition.
So
that's
that's
where
it
came
from.
F
Chair
just
for
the
clarification
that
30%
was
in
place
for
well
over
15
years,
and
it
proved
to
be
after
looking
at
the
kind
of
applications
there
were
over
30%
under
the
Heritage
overlay.
It
seemed
to
be
consistent
with
the
goals
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
through
delegated
authority
that
it
was
a
reasonable
percentage
and
had
worked
quite
well
with
the
Heritage
overlay.
Thank
you.
F
Several
properties
that
around
that
size
within
the
Heritage,
Conservation
District
that
have
come
before
us
I,
would
say
almost
every
single
meeting
property
from
local
park,
huge
Conservation
District
is
before
us
and
so
I
think
that
is
a
significant
reality
that
we
are
likely
to
see
or
you
are
likely
to
see
if
this
were
to
go
through
that
size
of
potential
addition
and
I
guess.
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
implications
of
that
in
certain
situations.
A
E
E
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
is
that
the
worded
the
criteria
for
the
additions
is
it's
a
it's
a
two-pronged
test,
so
it
has
to
be
less
than
30%,
but
it
also
either
has
to
not
impact
the
Heritage
attributes
in
the
in
case
of
an
individual
building
or
in
the
case
of
a
district,
it
has
to
meet
the
guidelines
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
plans,
so
it
has
to
do
both
it's
not
one
or
the
other.
So
we
put
an
end
in
there
to
sort
of
give
an
extra
test.
A
So
we
got
a
chance
years
and
to
say:
okay,
this
is
what
what
was
happening
and
if
there's
a
level
of
discomfort
about
the
volume
or
scope
of
some
of
those
applications
that
have
been
nothing
stopping
us
from
revisiting
the
members
around
the
30%.
So
after
that,
as
a
possible
way
for
us
just
to
ensure
that
this
is
moving
forward
in
an
appropriate
way.
D
E
Long
as
it
doesn't,
the
reminder
is
that
it
would
still
have
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
guidelines,
so
in
walk
live
Park,
for
instance.
The
new
plan,
that
is,
that
will
be
coming
forward
in
the
fall.
We'll
talk
about
talk
more
strongly
about
the
retention
of
the
landscape
and
the
the
importance
of
there
being
a
large
amount
of
green
space
around
the
house,
and
so
we
wouldn't
want
to
see
an
expanded
footprint.
E
B
E
A
A
Which
is
the
application
for
demolition
in
the
construction
at
285,
acacia
Avenue?
We
do
have
speakers
on
the
list.
We
weren't
going
to
have
a
staff
presentation,
but
if
members
have
questions,
staff
are
certainly
available
to
answer
them,
but
what
I
suggest
is
why
don't
we
hear
from
the
public
delegations
first
and
then,
if
members
have
questions
for
staff,
we
can.
We
can
follow
up
appropriately.
So
first
is
Lesley
mainland
who
I
think
I
appropriately
referred
to
was
the
past
president
of
Heritage
Ottawa,
so
Lesley
feel
free
to
come
up
to
the
microphone.
F
J
Morning
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
this
morning,
I'm,
not
speaking
specifically
to
this
particular
proposal,
but
I'd
like
to
set
the
context
for
all
of
these
Rockland
properties
that
you're
looking
at
there
was.
Those
of
you
who
have
been
on
the
both
heritage
subcommittee
know
this
to
be
a
fact,
but
for
those
of
you
who
are
new
to
it,
Rockland
Park
ballpark
figure
is
about
50%
of
the
projects
that
you
okay.
J
So
it's
it's
a
huge
proportion
of
the
interventions
way
out
of
scale
with
the
Heritage
Conservation
districts
elsewhere
in
the
city
and
it's
a
place
where
currently,
the
management
plans
have
done
all
along,
not
a
great
deal
to
alleviate
some
of
the
controversies.
But
some
of
the
proposals
have
been
extremely
controversial
and
quite
divisive
in
the
past,
on
demolition,
by
neglect,
issues
and
so
forth.
J
This
is
an
opportunity
to
discuss
some
of
the
issues,
issues
very
knowledgeable,
the
history
of
our
support
contemporary
issues,
and
this
is
the
lecture
series
that
is
supported
by
and
its
holdings
in,
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
for
which
were
very
grateful
as
well
as
the
province
of
Ontario
and
Jenny
Jeff
and
Shannon
matters.
So
just
an
opportunity
to
say
this
is
a
it's
a
good
learning
opportunity
about.
A
A
A
F
Thank
you,
I
guess
a
concern
that
comes
to
mind
for
me.
It's
just
and
again,
as
pointed
out
and
as
I
said
earlier,
Rockland
Park
properties
in
Rock,
Heritage,
Conservation
District
are
coming
before
us
regularly
and
I
just
I.
Look
at
this.
The
property
communication
that's
before
us
this
morning
and
looking
back
at
some
of
the
yes,
you
know
in
as
an
example
an
outstanding
example,
architectural
example.
The
house
is
not
its
historical.
F
We
no
longer
have
the
ability
to
say
that
the
value
lives
in
the
sum
of
the
parts,
because
the
parts
are
no
longer
there,
and
it
is
a
concern.
I
think
that
we
should
be
aware
of
as
members
of
this
committee-
and
this
is
just
an
example
of
once
again
before
us.
That
brings
it
to
mind
for
me
personally
not
to
say
that
the
design
of
the
house
that
is
going
to
replace
it,
it
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
value
it.
F
A
Having
problems
to
like
this
morning,
thank
you,
member
kwrona,
I,
think
that
was
an
insightful
contribution
and
I
just
I
would
say
two
things.
The
fact
that
the
notary's
Conservation
District
plan
is
coming
forward.
This
fall
I
think
is
a
useful
way
of
ensuring
that
the
HCD
in
this
area
is
supported
and
that
rest
and
I
know
the
community
is
looking
forward
to
having
those
additional
protections.
So
I
think
the
plan
will
give
us
an
opportunity
to
think
a
little
bit
holistically
about
ways
that
we
ensure
the
integrity
of
the
htd
moving
forward.
A
So
that's
the
first
point
and
I
think
you're
right
to
raise
that
I
just
wanted
to
say.
As
the
word
councillor
Emma's,
the
chair
that
I'm
supporting
the
application,
I
was
Park
residents
Association,
which
has
a
very
active
development
review
committee,
did
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
and
did
not
oppose
the
application.
So
there
wasn't.
Community
opposition
and
I
was
also
informed
by
the
point
member
Quinn
made,
which
is
but
forward,
does
provide,
in
my
mind,
massing
and
scale,
which
is
more
appropriate
than
I
would
argue.
A
I
Thank
you.
I
just
would
like
to
respond
to
member
Clinton's
comments,
because
I
sit
on
the
development
review
subcommittee
and
we
did
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
on
this
application
and
I
think
our
decision
to
support
it
was
based
on
the
on
the
replacement
was
proposed,
as
a
child
has
alluded
to
it,
didn't
push
to
the
max.
It
respected
the
the
streetscape,
the
settings,
the.
What
is
very
important
in
the
village.
I
Is
that
rhythm,
as
you
go
down
the
street,
that
there
are
open
green
spaces
around
the
properties,
and
this
is
an
example
of
where
that
is
being
maintained.
We're
also
impressed
with
the
proponents
commitment
to
respect
the
the
desire
within
the
heritage
district
that
be
natural
materials
used
and
that
a
lot
of
thought
and
effort
we
put
into
the
dwelling
that's
going
to
be
built
there.
I
A
A
A
We'll
come
back
to
us.
Do
she
hasn't
gone
away,
but
there
was
some
discomfort
planning
committee
with
going
ahead
without
the
opportunity
this
opportunity
to
hear
from
and
speak
to
the
University,
so
I
just
wanted
to
report
back
and
what
transpired
with
that
item
I
believe
there
was
another
item
under
other
business.
Was
there
not?
Mr.
pastor,
did
you
have
something
know.