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Built Heritage Sub-Committee meeting – January 14, 2016 – Audio Stream
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A
A
So
going
through
the
agenda,
we
have
one
regret
from
counselor
Moffitt,
who
wasn't
able
to
be
here
this
morning.
Any
declarations
of
interest-
yes,
I,
have
a
declaration
of
interest
on
600
note
mint
or
place
application.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
Confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
10th
of
December
meeting
2015
are
those
K,
okay,
great
okay,
so
we're
gonna
go
through
the
consent
agenda
first,
because
I
think
there
are
at
least
a
couple
of
items
that
we'll
be
able
to
deal
with
that
way
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
items
that
will
be
held.
A
So
to
start
with,
we
have
the
demolition
of
171
Briere
Street,
a
property
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
so
I
believe
we
have
a
motion
from
the
vice-chair
to
defer
this
item
to
the
next
meeting.
Mr.
vestra,
yes,
that
the
requests
of
Ottawa
community
housing
I'm
moving
to
defer
this
item
to
the
next
meeting,
to
allow
Ottawa
community
housing
to
look
at
options
of
viable
options
with
the
infrastructure
Ontario.
Is
that
motion
Kay?
Okay?
Okay?
A
A
A
This
is
an
item
that
was
before
the
committee
back
in
2015
and
which
has
come
back
I'm
in
the
committee's
hands.
If
committees
would
like
to
hold
this
item,
or
can
this
be
K?
This
item
code?
Okay,
okay,
great
item,
seven,
this
600
mint
or
place
IC
by
stripped
all
she
has
left
the
table.
Can
this
item
be
K?
A
A
So,
as
members
will
recall,
we
had
a
full
discussion
on
this
item
at
the
last
meeting
and
at
the
end
of
it,
I
undertook
to
take
under
cake
consultations
with
the
Rocklin
Park
residents,
Association
and
other
interested
parties
on
addressing
some
of
the
issues
which
were
raised
at
a
previous
meeting
in
the
plan,
and
so
after
many
meetings
and
conversations
on
that
I
put
forward
a
draft
motion
yesterday,
which
I
circulated
to
members
which
addresses
many
of
the
concerns
raised
by
the
ARB.
You
are
right.
A
There
are
two
caveats
to
the
motion
which
the
vice-chair
will
be
putting
forward
on
this
item.
The
first
is
the
motion,
because
it
was
done
a
little
bit
towards
the
end
of
the
day
yesterday
will
require
some
additional
scrubbing.
These
are
small
language
changes
which
will
need
to
be
addressed
either
for
legal
certainty
or
to
address
other
small
issues
which
weren't
fully
captured
in
the
motion.
A
So
that's
the
first
category
and
if
the
committee
agrees
to
pass
the
motion,
I
will
undertake
to
make
those
small
scrubbing
changes
between
now
and
planning
committee
next
week
and
be
sure
that
members
have
a
copy
of
the
amended
motion
before
it
goes
to
planning.
So
that's
category
one,
the
other
category
of
items
is
there
we
weren't
able
to
regress
over
the
course
of
the
previous
weeks.
One
issue
that's
come
up.
There
have
been
concerns
about
scoring
concerns
about
the
concept
in
the
plan
about
contributing
non-contributing.
That
was
an
item
that
was
large
enough.
A
That
I
felt
it
was
not
appropriate
to
try
to
try
and
quickly
deal
with
that
issue
at
this
meeting.
So
if
the
committee
agrees,
the
proposal
that
I
would
put
forward
is
that
we
again
if
it
meets
the
agreement
of
this
group,
that
we
pass
the
plan
with
the
amended
motion
recognizing
that
we
will
need
to
come
back
over
the
course
of
2016
in
order
to
address
this
more
fundamental
issue,
which
will
require
greater
consultation
and
so
on.
It's
not
enough
to
frustrate
the
execution
of
this
plan.
A
So
that's
the
proposed
course
of
action
just
to
explain
a
little
bit.
What's
happened
between
the
we
had
at
the
beginning
of
December
and
now,
and
so
with
that
I'm
happy
to
I
guess.
The
first
question
is
whether
we
have
speakers
and
maybe
we'll
let
the
speakers
go
first.
We
also
have
a
letter
that
was
circulated
which
I
can
address
in
a
moment,
but
why
don't
we
go
to
to
our
speakers?
Less
first
and
then
we
can
have
questions
and
comments
to
staff
afterwards.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
providing
the
opportunity
for
me
to
speak
this
morning.
My
name
is
Brian
Dixon
and
the
founding
member
of
the
Ratliff
Park
residents
Association
and
have
been
its
president
for
the
past
six
years,
because
I
spent
some
time
at
the
last
meeting
of
this
subcommittee
and
the
history
of
Ratliff,
and
we
briefly
summarize
the
main
points.
A
A
Until
amalgamation
with
the
city
15
years
ago,
Rock
left,
through
its
village
council,
successfully
controlled
its
own
development.
The
our
PRA
carries
on
this
longstanding
tradition,
with
a
broad
membership
of
local
residents
with
amalgamation
and
a
trend
toward
bigger
and
bigger
houses.
The
challenge
has
become
much
greater.
Our
current
framework
for
protection
of
our
heritage
conservation
district,
which
is
the
Ratliff
Park
part
of
the
Official
Plan,
and
the
Heritage
Conservation
guidelines,
have
proven
inadequate.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
I,
don't
believe
there
are
any
other
speakers
who
wanted
to
speak
this
morning.
So
with
that
I'll
open
up
the
floor
for
comments
or
questions
member,
smaller
Thank
You
mr.
chair
just
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
what
Brian
said,
the
the
issue
about
the
contributing
versus
non
contributing
is
really
important.
It's
not
just
a
technical
thing
of
deciding
whether
I
should
be
in
or
not
it.
It
gets
at
the
fundamental
reason
for
the
designation
of
the
village,
this
the
walk
life,
as
Brian
mentioned.
A
There's
only
three
communities
like
this
in
North
America,
and
only
one
in
Canada,
the
only
other
one
that
comes
closest,
which
would
in
Toronto,
which
was
designed
by
a
tinsmith.
The
idea
of
these
communities
was
that
the
many
heritage
districts,
what
we
look
at
as
the
important
since
the
bricks
and
mortar
we're
looking
at
the
building
the
architectural
style
in
this
community.
What
we're
looking
at
is
the
landscape
and
the
sense
of
if
I
can
use
the
analogy,
often
and
Bethesda's.
You
see
that
garages
prominent.
A
You
see
the
garage
first
and
then
you
see
the
house,
and
people
are
concerned
about
that.
In
this
case,
what
you
should
see
is
the
landscape
first
and
then
the
house,
so
that
the
hierarchy
of
vision
as
you
go
through
the
community
should
be
one
of
neon
very
roads
with
with
a
with
a
world
type
setting,
and
this
is
unusual
and
it's
a
it
is
why
he
was
called
Walker
Park.
But
it
is
the
sort
of
thing
that
is
difficult.
A
Sometimes,
when
you're
looking
at
a
very
narrow
set
of
definitions
on
a
particular
property,
you
sometimes
miss
the
sense
of
the
bigger
community,
which
is
what
we're
looking
at
here.
In
fact,
it's
interesting
when
there
was
a
movie
that
was
filmed
and
when
the
producers
were
looking
for
location
to
film,
that
movie
in
all
of
North
America,
their
pet
brought
for
Park
and
the
reason
they
picked.
A
It
was
because
of
the
streetscape
that
shared
vision
that
the
show
property
that
goes
down
the
street,
where
you
see
not
the
houses
protruding
out,
but
you
see
landscape
and
you
have
that
continuous
vision
of
landscape,
and
that
is
what's
really
important
and
I
think
that
we
can't
lose
sight
of
that
in
the
in
this
process.
All
of
the
other
things
should
fall
underneath
the
basic
understanding
that
we're
not
dealing
with
a
typical
district
here.
This
is
not
a
bricks
and
mortar
district.
This
is
a
district
where
the
green
space
is
primary.
A
So
I
would
just
ask
that
in
this
process
as
we
go
forward,
we
know
the
site
of
that,
because
I
think
that
is
what
is
really
critical
in
and
in
fact,
one
of
the
things
that
that
is
in
the
report
states
in
right.
In
note
and
point
one
in
the
introduction,
the
previous
one,
that
her
touch
conservation
district
was
done.
There
was
deliberately
no
building
by
building
analysis.
In
other
words,
it
wasn't.
A
Does
this
building
contribute
or
not
all
of
them
contribute,
because
it's
the
landscape,
that's
contributing
so
to
some
degree
and
note
that
they
all
contribute,
and
that
is
a
concern
I
have
about
having
this
suggesting
that
some
of
them
don't
contribute.
They
all
do
because
it's
a
landscape.
That's
the
issue
here.
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you
for
that
comment
and,
as
you
noted,
that
is
something
that
will
be
addressed.
Those
sorts
of
questions
in
that
part
part
two
of
the
review.
Any
other
questions
or
comments-
remember
Quinn,
Thank
You
mr.
A
chair
only
to
say
that
I
support
member
Smallwood's
position
I
think
that
getting
clarity
around
this
is
really
important
as
the
non-contributing.
What
are
we?
What
has
been
defined
now
as
a
non-contributing
is
making
up
a
significant
portion.
I
think
close
to
70%
of
the
village
is
building
stocks.
So,
just
to
reiterate,
remember
small
words.
Point
great
mr.
Bester
I.
A
Think
Sandy's
comments
have
hit
on
a
point
where
the
and
I
do
support.
You
know
the
the
motion
that
to
adopt,
and
also
the
motion
to
to
clarify
which
I'll
be
advancing,
but
I
think
that
in
some
ways
the
whole
question
of
how
we
scored
the
individual
houses,
how
the
houses
in
Rockland,
Heritage,
Conservation
District,
make
up
or
don't
make
up
it's
essential
heritage
character.
A
There's
applications
here
for
other
heritage
districts
as
well
and
I
think
that
in
some
ways
we
have
gone
ahead
with
scoring
changes
in
the
city
that
has
been
ahead
of
the
curve.
The
public
and
communities
haven't
really
been
able
to
follow
it
yet,
and
so
I
think
that
the
work
that
is
done
in
the
next
four
five
six
months
to
come
up
with
clarifications
I
think
will
benefit
the
whole
city
and
the
other
districts
as
well.
A
Great
sure
welcome
to
thank
you,
I
think
we're
working
on
some
in
my
area,
which
has
it's
more
of
a
button
called
average
housing
as
opposed
to
rock
love
Park.
But
the
concept
of
the
whole
community
is
so
important
and
it's
got
a
very
distinct
thing.
First,
on
all
communities
have
so
I
think
that
characteristic
is
very
important
here.
A
I
did
want
to
ask
about
the
letter
we
have
from
Fulton
about
a
particular
property
that
we
have
already
approved,
but
because
it's
going
through
various
legal
channels
may
run
out
of
time
and
I
I
would
think
that
things
that
are
already
in
the
process
would
be
still
in
the
process.
I
wouldn't
even
go
back
to
square
one.
Is
that
the
case?
A
It
would
be
within
the
rights
of
this
committee
to
recommend
to
council
that
an
exemption
through
a
time
period
you
know
exemption,
is
not
the
right
word
that
the
that
the
actual
permits
could
be
extended
to
allow
the
applicant
to
draw
the
building
permit.
If,
in
fact,
we
are
in
a
situation
where
the
timing
of
the
OMB
does
not
permit,
if
they
pool
is
such
that
what
we
approved
originally
is
still
in
place
that
we
would
recommend
that
we
extend
the
period
of
the
update.
Permit
cannot
be
done
now.
A
Can
they
be
given
an
extra
six
months
now,
just
to
make
sure
they
have
some
time
or
not?
Well,
the
issue
is,
we
may
not
have
a
problem.
So
if
the
decision
of
the
OMB
comes
down
in
the
next
couple
of
months
say
and
the
appeal
fails,
then
we
have
your
home,
so
the
the
decision,
based
on
speaking
to
actual
legal
counsel
on
this,
is
until
such
time
as
we
know
this
is
an
issue.
There
isn't
a
need
to
address
it
if
it
does
become
an
issue,
I
mean
I've,
certainly
shared
my
view
and
I.
A
Think
it's
the
view
of
most
people
involved
in
lists
that
nobody
expected
double
jeopardy.
So
that's
clear
in
legal
terms
that
if
the
appeal
fails
that
the
applicant
is
working
under
the
rules
at
the
time
of
the
application,
so
with
that
I
mean
if
we
turned
them
down
at
that
point,
they
could
go
back
to
court
and
ouverture
knows
and
it
gets
very
messy
so
I
as
long
as
we
can
get
that
assurance.
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
That's
the
way
I
would
look
at
it.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Want
to
read
the
whole
thing
to
save
time,
but
the
people
on
error
listening
to
it,
having
a
clue
what
we're
doing
and
that's
not
really
very
open
to
the
public.
What
we
will
ensure
is
that
in
some
form
in
either
the
report
or
the
minutes,
the
full
text
of
the
motion
is
contained.
I
mean
I
can
say
as
a
matter
of
introduction
that
the
purpose
really
of
the
motion
was
to
clarify
a
number
of
issues
where
there
was
a
lack
of
legal
clarity.
It
was
to
provide
greater
certainty
on
issues.
A
I
would
just
identify
issues
about
about
lots
and
lots,
eise's
about
corner
lots
about
issues
about
new
buildings
in
the
way
that
they
fit
into
the
actual
Heritage
Conservation
District.
It's
all
language
that
played
on
existing
language
amendments
to
them,
and
so
the
motion
is
available
to
members
and
will
be
made
available
to
the
public
to
and
after
it's
read
out
if
it's
adopted,
then
that
will
be
a
public
document
as
part
of
the
report
passing
yeah.
A
Mr.
vesture
I
would
like
to
make
this
motion
and
I
just
hope
that
there's
no
demand
for
me
to
read
the
three
pages:
it's
not
all
that
entertaining,
but
it's
very
important
in
the
in
the
in
the
language
so
moved
so
on.
The
motion
is
the
motion.
Cabe,
okay,
and
so
therefore,
is
the
report
with
the
motion
as
amended:
okay,
okay,
okay,
wonderful
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
staying.
Staying
with
me
on
that
item.
It
was
a
little
bit
complicated,
but
I
think
we
found
a
route
forward.
A
So
I
want
to
turn
now
to
at
the
next
item,
which
is
the
designation
of
the
Fluellen
house
at
five,
eight
nine
seven
firm,
Bank
Road
members
will
recall
that
we
deferred
this
item
from
the
last
meeting
because
we
wanted
to
give
staff
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
applicant
councillor.
Wilkinson
has
a
motion
amending
the
report
which
came
before
us
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
think
it
would
be
useful
councillor
Wilkinson
just
to
read
out
the
substantive
portion,
then
we'll
open
up
the
discussion.
A
I
know
we
have
speakers
on
the
list,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
members
to
hear
what
the
purpose
of
the
motion
is
so
councillor
Wilkinson.
This
has
been
in
the
gun.
The
sin
I've
had
these
warden,
he
has
agreed
what
this
changes
to
make
it
more.
So
most
of
the
were
asses,
but
it
says
they
resolve
recommend
the
Planning
Committee
that
they
remove
the
output
orchard
from
the
list
of
heritage
attributes
to
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
of
elegy.
A
This
is
in
an
area
which
is
now
in
the
urban
area
and
subject
to
urban
subdivisions
and
is
to
try
to
make
sure
we
maintain
that
house
in
that
subdivision.
In
the
way
that
it
would
be
there
forever,
okay,
thank
you
for
reading
that
out.
We
won't
deal
with
the
motion
now
we'll
turn
now
to
at
the
public
speakers,
and
then
we
can
have
a
conversation
and
questions
either
on
the
Rapporteur
on
the
motion
thereafter
from
members.
So
the
first
person
on
the
list
of
public
delegations
is
Terry
Kelly.
A
A
And
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
present
to
the
subcommittee.
My
name
is
Trey
Kelly
I'm,
the
son
of
the
owner,
Dorothy
Jones,
and
my
wife
and
I
will
be
speaking
separately
on
the
Alpha
Dorothy.
My
goal
is
to
provide
a
different
perspective
on
the
information
that
is
available
to
you
as
the
subcommittee,
so
that
your
decision
will
be
well
informed.
A
A
To
the
second
criteria,
which
is
historical
and
social
value,
the
report
provides
a
short
colorful
narrative
that
describes
the
activities
of
a
family
who
resided
on
ending
the
property
for
several
decades.
But
the
lists
are
the
test
of
community
history.
Is
that
the
property
yield
valuable
or
potential
yield
valuable
information
to
understand
and
retain
the
historic
past
the
past
the
story,
the
staff
determined
that
it
did
and
we
would
suggest
that
it
does
not
and
the
meaning
for
that
is
the
verb
is
critical.
A
The
verb
is
yields,
and
we
do
not
understand
how
it
is
that
the
current
structure
review
and
potential
valuable
information
to
understand
the
past
in
the
future.
We
do
believe
it
represents.
We
do
not
believe
it
yields
the
information
for
the
future
under
the
title
community
character.
The
report
emphasizes
its
agricultural
use,
yet
new
agricultural,
sorry,
morgue
agricultural
activities
have
been
conducted
on
this
property
for
well
over
a
half-century.
The
property
has
been
repeatedly
compromised
more
currently
by
the
single
Ottawa
property
to
build
the
road
in
a
traffic
circle.
A
The
link
on
the
property
tab
to
the
agricultural
activities
and
eyesize
on
the
property,
because
directly
across
the
street,
from
the
property
and
extending
all
on
the
south
side
of
fallow
field
is
sorry,
is
a
continuous
and
a
thriving
agricultural
use
of
the
area.
I
have
particularly
concerned
with
reports
conclusion
that
this
is
one
of
the
few
means.
It's
a
quote.
One
of
the
few
remaining
buildings
in
this
area
of
the
Sierra
I
suggest
to
you
that
this
is
a
subjective
and
qualitative
statement
which
are
surprised
to
see
in
a
performing
the
technical
report.
A
A
Area,
therefore,
we
do
not
believe
that
this
property
objectively
meets
the
criterion
that
retains
the
earliest
historical
agricultural
character.
We
believe
it
does
not
in
summary,
at
best
we
feel
some
cases
be
made
for
a
designation
of
heritage
property.
Although
the
report
is
structured
around
criteria,
the
analysis
of
information
reads
more
like
an
essay
than
a
technical
report
and
I
do
not
mean
this
in
the
disparaging
way.
I
do
you
that
strongest
Keys
possible
has
been
made
for
designation.
A
All
right
suggested
seems
truly
tenuous
discussion
and
I
mean
concerned
that
an
important
decision
we
made
based
on
that
type
of
information
I
would
just
ask
that's
it.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much,
everybody
if
you
could
just
stay
for
a
moment,
because
there
are
questions
from
members
Thank
You
councillor
welcome,
sir
now
you're
speaking
for
the
owner,
you
said
that.
A
To
keep
the
structure
and
develop
it,
develop
it
habit.
Sorry
and
use
it
in
a
commercial
way
as
exactly,
but
it
is
being
used,
is
intended
to
be
used
as
a
wellness
and
and
therefore
the
structure
of
the
extremely
portions
will
be
BTU
and
will
be
maintained
as
part
of
the
community.
Why
are
you
upset
about
designated
heritage
I'm,
making
a
difference
ticket
still
use
it.
I'm!
Sorry,
can
you
repeat
the
question:
if
it's
desert
heritage,
it
would
not
stop
from
happening.
It's
the
risk
of
being
taken
down.
A
Mr.
Kelly,
you
have
the
criteria
for
evaluation
and
the
scoring
of
the
Heritage
attributes
and
the
staffs
conclusions
and
you've
suggested
that
they
are
subjective
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
in
the
whole
wreckage
conservation
program
in
Ontario
that
there's
very
scrupulous
attempts
through
the
legislation
to
try
to
be
objective
in
the
criteria
and
the
evaluations,
and
one
of
the
things
that
emerges
here
is
that
I
just
have
to
ask.
A
You
have
who
asked
the
independent
heritage
consultant
to
give
a
second
opinion
on
the
staff
analysis
and
the
staff
recommendation,
because
that
would
be
a
way
that
the
case
would
be
quite
convincing
him.
Somebody
that
is
scholarly
and
respected
actually
challenged
of
the
criteria,
rather
than
it
being
in
my
opinion.
So
did
you
do
that?
Did
you
get
a
heritage
consultant
to
do
that
and
prepare
a
report
for
you
that
has
not
taken
place
and
if
I
could
also
decide
to
your
comments
reference
to
a
subjective?
A
But
I
appreciate
your
question.
No,
as
far
as
I
know,
we
did
not
go
to
us
an
independent
assessment,
okay,
seeing
no
more
questions.
Mr.
Catholic
Oh
counselor
cadre.
Please.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chair
just
a
question
to
mr.
Kelly.
You
just
mentioned
that
in
the
property
itself
has
been
affected
by
the
city
or
yes
timeframe.
A
They
needed
to
basically
acquire
approximately
five
acres
from
what
was
then
previously
ten
acres
of
the
property
and
that
was
acquired,
and
subsequently
there
has
been
a
traffic
circle
and
a
new
road
created,
most
of
which
came
from
this
particular
property
which
is
now
being
designated
because
of
his
agricultural
value
in
this
past.
Use
second
question
just
supplement
to
a
race
chairs
question
in
terms
of
the
staff
or
city
representative
that
they
come
and
see
you
before
they
talked
about
designating
your
property
to
Heritage.
Did
you
have
an
input
into
that?
A
It
was
being
considered
for
designation.
We
became
aware
that
when
the
prospective
purchaser
was
doing
diligence
and
identified
that
indeed,
there
is
some
consideration
taking
place
subsequently,
we
did
need,
and
actually
we
were
very
open
towards.
You
know,
bringing
staff
onto
the
property,
so
they
could
inspect
it
and
see
it.
So
we
became
aware
of
it
through
other
circumstances,
but
subsequently
from
I
think
we
worked
quite
closely
with
I'm
really
to
make
sure
they
had
the
information
that
we
had
illegally
forthcoming
with
us.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mister,
chair.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
just
gonna
leave
this
document
here
because
somebody
else
will
be
referring
to
it
in
secular.
As
you
told
me,
I'd
probably
forget
to
give
it
to
her.
So
now,
I'm
gonna
your
time
right.
So
the
next
person
on
the
list
is
Susan
Kelly,
followed
by
Jen
Hasani.
A
A
A
She's
greatly
upset
by
this
this
whole
process.
My
parents
bought
the
property,
it
was
originally
200
acres
and
my
parents
bought
a
small
portion,
210
acres.
It
was
severed
in
1962
and
over
the
course
of
30
years
they
lovingly
renovated
the
house
and
until
my
father's
death
in
1992,
at
which
point
my
mother
no
longer
had
the
resources,
the
house
is
now
in
terrible
condition,
pretty
well,
everything
needs
to
be
replaced
and
we
have
buyers
now
who
are
really
really
interested
in
renovating
the
house
you
asked
about.
If
there
is
a
an
implication.
A
Yes,
there
is
a
financial
implication,
a
significant
financial
implication
to
my
mother.
If
this
is
designated
and
if
the
orchard
is
designated,
it
basically
means
everything,
stops
the
buyer
walks
and
so
we're
gravely
gravely
concerned
about
this.
The
house
has
been
up
for
sale
for
one-and-a-half
years.
It
has
issues
that
needs
roof,
it
needs
electrical,
it
needs
water,
it
needs
to
do
chimneys.
A
It's
got
a
compromised
foundation,
it's
got
water
infiltration
throughout
the
house
and
all
the
stone
needs
repointing,
it
needs
love
and
my
mother
simply
hasn't
got
the
resources
to
do
it.
We
finally
have
buyers
who
are
thinking
about
developing
this
or
planning
to
develop
this
as
a
PTSD
Wellness
Center.
What
better
thing
could
we
do
than
that?
I
think
it's
absolutely
incredible
idea
and
by
putting
a
heritage
designation
on
it,
it
just
adds
a
whole
bunch
of
extra
steps,
and
it
just
seems
to
me
we
could
all
get
what
we
want.
A
One
can
argue
that
the
historical
designation
is
is
more
important
than
say
the
rights
of
a
property
owner
and
normally
I
would
agree
with
you,
but
over
the
course
of
30
years.
You
see
that
line
that
goes
across
that
diagram.
That's
a
that's
a
hydro
line
that
went
in
in
the
mid
80s
the
reason
it
was
put
in
on
that
property.
It
was
supposed
to
go
between
Fluellen
and
and
fern
Bay.
It
was
put
there
explicitly
because
that
property
was
no
longer
in
agricultural
production.
A
Then
in,
as
my
husband
said,
in
2014,
they
put
the
traffic
circle
and
and
the
roadway
through
my
mother's
property.
So
it's
essentially
negotiated
mrs.
Jones
or
we
expropriate
twice
and
now
we
come
along
just
as
she's
at
the
point
of
selling
her
property
and
it's
another
incursion
by
the
state
and,
quite
frankly,
we'd
really
appreciate
it.
If
you
step
back
none
of
these
changes,
none
of
these
changes
on
Fernbank
Road
or
were
the
result
of
my
mother's
activity.
A
These
are
all
other
decisions,
and
yet
my
mother
properties
being
held
as
an
example
of
agricultural
heritage
when
it
hasn't
been
used
as
such
for
over
50
years,
as
in
argue
that
the
the
house
is
not
a
strong
candidate
for
heritage,
designating,
it's
not
visible
somewhere.
It
says
in
the
report
that
it
used
to
be
visible.
No,
it
didn't
I've
known
that
property
for
50
years
and
there
there
were
always
a
lot
of
trees
around
it.
A
It's
on
a
traffic
circle.
People
are
not
going
to
stop
and
look
at
a
house
when
they're
going
around
a
traffic
circle,
it's
claimed
to
famous
people
that
live
there
a
long
time
that
is
not
a
tremendous
historical
value
and
the
value
of
the
through
Allen
family
has
already
been
recognized
in
the
naming
of
the
old
former
night-flying
there's
several
other
stolen
houses.
I
can
name
three
that
aren't
on
that
map
and
throughout
the
Ottawa
area.
There's
many
more
the
agricultural
past,
as
I
said.
A
A
A
Think
it's
really
important
that
people
who
have
heritage
realize
it
doesn't
stop
you
from
doing
things.
I
had
my
church
designated
heritage.
We
can
actually
get
grants
to
help
with
the
work
we
need
to
do
what,
when
it's
designated,
so
she
can
get
some
funds
Dale,
but
what
she
has
to
do,
and
and
I'm
sure
if
she
breaks
the
building
radio
she's
not
going
to
make
major
changes
that
are
going
to
destroy
the
appearance
the
building
anyway.
No,
but
it
devalues
the
property.
A
The
value
of
the
property
has
increased
significantly
because
it's
now
in
the
urban
area
and
that
that's
the
approval,
I
think
counselor
sure
this
is
in
the
designated
urban
area.
Now.
Is
it
not?
The
value
of
that
is
probably
quadrupled,
or
some
more
than
that,
because
city
council
made
a
decision.
Are
they
mandated
that
this
have
now
be
urban
and
not
well,
that's
the
biggest
increase
in
value
that
you
could
get
from
anything
and
then
pay
anything
for
that.
A
But
if
it's
designated
heritage
it's
worth
less,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
some
people
pay
more
for
heritage
building,
so
it
depends
on
who?
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Kelly
did
you
have
a
question
councillor
Carter,
thank
you,
orange
man,
mr.
chair,
and
just
coming
back
to
your
point,
mrs.
Kelly
in
terms
of
renovations
done
in
1962
or
they're,
all
internal
in
the
house.
The
renovations
are
where
there's
some
externals
on
the
exterior,
no
I.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
mr.
chair,
thank
you.
Miss
Kelly
for
coming
I
might
use
the
opportunity
of
a
moment.
We
have
before
I
call
the
next
speaker
just
to
invite
miss
Collins
to
offer
a
few
observations
should
have
done
this
earlier
about
I
think
it
would
still
be
valuable
just
to
give
a
sense
of
the
staff
perspective
on
this
property,
so
this
column's.
A
A
So,
just
a
very
quick
overview
that
the
property
is
located
at
friend,
Bank
Road
near
the
corner
of
Shea
Road.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
property.
May
you
may
recognize
it
from
a
previous
designation
for
173
mile
road.
It's
a
very
similar
house.
There
is
some
theory
we
don't
know
for
sure,
but
that
there
were
six
houses
in
this
area
that
were
built
by
the
same
Mason
shortly
after
the
great
fire
in
the
West
End
in
the
1880s.
A
It's
a
Gothic
Revival
stone
farmhouse.
So
it's
a
it's
a
representative
example
of
its
style.
This
is
the
rear,
and
then
this
is
just
standing
back
towards
the
rear
of
the
property.
Looking
towards
the
house,
just
some
of
its
architectural
details
stone
pointing
and
decorative
bargeboard
in
the
eaves.
This
is
it
from
standing
back
along
the
driveway.
Now
this
driveway
is
not
the
original
alignment,
but
it
is
the
houses
set
back
quite
far
from
the
road.
This
is
the
apple
orchard
that
you
will
hear
you've
heard
about
in
the
motion.
Already.
A
Staff
had
initially
recommended
this
for
inclusion
as
a
heritage
attribute,
but
after
further
discussion
with
the
prospective
purchaser
of
the
property,
there
was
concern
given
the
location
of
the
orchard
and
the
location
of
the
house
in
terms
of
future
development
plans
and
I'm,
just
going
to
flip
to
a
slide
to
have
at
the
end.
That
just
shows
you
the
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
because
the
lights
up
here,
but
the
orchard
is
sorry,
just
got
to
get
the
mouse.
The
orchard
is
here:
houses
back
here,
so
there
is
a.
A
There
is
a
plan
to
develop
the
site
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Initially,
in
the
short
term,
the
house
is
proposed
to
be
used,
as
has
been
discussed
as
a
Wellness
Center
for
people
with
PTSD.
The
house.
Early
indications
suggest
that,
due
to
a
number
of
trees,
growing
very
close
to
the
foundation
that
it
may
need
a
new
foundation.
A
That
is
a
good
solution
in
terms
of
the
proposed
use
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
future
subdivision
and
sale
of
the
remainder
of
the
lot
for
for
development
purposes,
because
as
it
stands
right
now,
if
these
two
are
designated,
they
are
disconnected
from
one
another
and
it's.
It
would
be
a
significant
burden
on
the
prospective
purchaser
to
try
and
develop
the
site.
A
A
You
are
the
prospective
purchaser.
Maybe
you
can
clarify.
Actually
I
represent
a
team
of
seven
therapists
that
wish
to
repurpose
the
house
and
use
it
as
a
Wellness
Center.
Their
focus
is
treatment
with
people
with
concussions
and
PTSD,
so
they
deal
a
lot
with
veterans
and
returning
soldiers.
They
saw
the
house
and
immediately
fell
in
love
with
it,
despite
the
fact
that
it
does
meet
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
so
starting
I
guess
in
September
we
started
working
with
the
current
owners
to
look
how
we
might
make
this
happen
for
them.
A
Their
intent
is
really
just
to
use
the
house.
We
don't
aren't,
don't
take
issue
with
a
heritage
designation,
provided
it
applies
to
the
exterior
facade
only
provided
that
a
couple
of
things
that
were
able
to
deal
with
the
foundation
issue.
Further
investigation
has
yielded
that
those
trees
that
are
going
out
of
the
foundation
are
a
couple
of
decades
old
and
their
roots
probably
have
invaded
the
fields
down
that
foundation,
making
a
quite
weak
for
the
the
centerline
of
the
house.
A
The
original
wooden
logs
have
cracked
and
the
house
is
actually
sagging
inwards,
so
it
needs
a
lot
of
TLC.
When
we
realize
the
condition
of
the
foundation
we
approached
Leslie
and
planning
to
talk
about.
You
know
what
would
be
involved
in
perhaps
putting
a
new
foundation
on,
because,
frankly,
that's
the
best
thing
long-term
for
the
house.
According
to
our
consultants-
and
we
looked
at
actually
connecting
the
orchard
in
a
house
which
I
think
would
utilize
actually
create
a
lot
of
benefits.
First
of
all,
it
would
connect
them.
A
Second
of
all,
the
house
which,
frankly
can't
really
be
seen
from
the
road,
would
be
bit
visible
for
its
first
time.
It
would
be
nice
for
a
heritage
host
to
be
seen
by
the
public
and
it
provides
a
new
structural
stability
for
the
house.
So
that's
really
where
the
the
therapist
would
like
to
go
with
this.
The
only
other
condition
and
and
I
know,
we've
spoken
and
we're
working
with
Leslie
on
this.
A
A
Yes,
that's
correct
as
long
as
it
applies
to
dig
stair
facade
and
allows
us
to
also
attain
handicap
accessibility,
we're
okay
with
it
yeah
and
because
what
everybody
has
to
be
handicapped
facility
about
that.
Okay,
so
I
think
that
I'm
glad
to
hear
you
say
that,
because
you
want
it
to
be
the
heritage
building
that
it
is
and
if
we
say
that
it's
heritage
when
the
future
when
that
area,
because
it
is
in
the
urban
area.
Now
yes,.
A
Yes,
the
you
therapists
have
no
particular
plans
to
develop
beyond
the
Medical
Center,
that's
obviously
not
their
time,
but
your
grants.
My
services
arrive
that
you
know
that'll
be
reassessed,
but
at
this
point
the
house
will
be
redeveloped
to
be
a
Wellness,
Center
and
then
it'll
be
left
in
that
condition.
The
initial
services
are
looked
into
the
zoning
or
not
yes,
where,
as
soon
as
we
close
the
purchase,
the
purchase
was
delayed
until
we
had
a
resolution
on
the
Heritage
matters
once
we
know
exactly
which
way
everything
is
heading
on
it.
A
On
the
Heritage
front,
we
plan
to
purchase
the
property
and
put
in
a
submission
to
rezone
it
to
LC
five,
which
will
allow
a
Wellness
Center
slash
medical
facility.
We
support
for
this
motion
as
I
think
it's
it's
repurposing
your
building
in
a
positive
way,
absolutely
I
think
that's
a
critic
happy
that
you
want
to
use
it
for
that
purpose.
Basically,
gonna
be
good
for
them
to
have
the
trees
around
them
and
things.
Yes.
Actually
there
that's
one
of
the
things
I
loved
about
it
is.
It
was
in
fact
the
trees.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
Any
other
questions
for
missus
Ani
councillor
Carter.
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair
and
missus
Ani.
Thank
you
for
coming
in
this
morning.
To
do
the
presentation
to
the
committee
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
being
persistent
in
terms
of
the
usage
that
you're
putting
forward
and
I
think
those
are
good
uses
for
this
particular
location.
A
The
initial
concerns
from
the
representative
that
the
owner
about
the
heritage,
designation
I,
do
tend
to
agree
with
my
Kasich
Holly
that,
as
long
as
the
house
is
repurposed
in
a
proper
fashion
following
some
of
the
rules
and
regulations,
I
think
it
is
a
good
use
for
that
particular
property
and
I.
Do
that?
Wish
you
all
the
best
in
that
project?
Having
said
all
that
it
do
you
have
one
question
in
terms
you
mentioned:
you
have
I,
guess
six
or
seven
therapists.
A
As
fact,
I
want
to
use
this
property
for
the
description
that
you
provided
yeah,
any
idea
as
to
the
addition
that
you're
talking
about
besides
the
handicapped,
handicapped
access.
What
about
the
other
uses
in
terms
of
our
other
needs
for
the
facility,
the
parking
for
example?
How
is
that
going
to
be
handled
doing
what
this
house,
once
its
repurposed
check
to
become?
A
You
know,
sit
in
a
parking
lot,
for
example,
so
how
he's
gonna
handle
that
thing
for
based
on
these
are
initial
discussions
that
we
had
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
that
there's
no
firm
as
I
plan
as
yet.
But
the
original
plan
that
we
came
up
with
at
the
end
of
December
was
that
the
house
provided
that
you
know
the
foundation
does
in
fact
need
to
be
redone.
The
house
would
be
relocated
up.
Perhaps
you
could
put
up
that
map
of
that
perfect,
so
you
can
see
where
the
arrow
is
moving.
A
The
intent
was,
and
I've
done
some
some
quick
sketches
on
this,
but
we
need
a
formal
survey
to
actually
get
specific
dimensions
is
to
relocate
the
house
kind
of
midway
through
the
orchard.
If
you
will
and
then
tuck
the
parking
in
behind
the
house
that
way,
it's
not
visible
from
the
road
we
would
likely,
because
of
the
aging
condition
of
the
trees
replant
very
similar.
A
Looking
species
specifically
flowering
trees
to
emulate
that
look
of
an
orchard
in
the
front
yard
and
then
perhaps
take
that
driveway,
where
it
is
now
and
move
it
slightly
to
the
east
kind
of
tucking
in,
if
you
will.
The
reason
for
that
being
is
that
currently,
that
driver
is
very
close
to
the
traffic
circle
and
people
stopping
to
try
and
turn
in
can
cause
a
bit
of
a
backlog,
and
so
we
would
like
to
move
that
driveway
as
far
away
from
the
traffic
circle,
as
we
can.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Just
to
come
back
to
one
point
that
you
just
made
about
decreased
base,
you
are
planning
on.
Can
we
creating
that
green
space?
There
was
some
fashion
agreeable
to
the
that's
correct,
so
in
conversations
with
Miss
Collins,
the
therapist
actually
wished
to
maintain
a
green
space
around
the
house
to
maintain
a
very
tranquil
look
and
feel
they
would
like
to
do
some
kind
of
a
patio
area
in
the
front
to
do
kind
of
group
meetings
and
alike
and
have
the
flowering
trees
around
that
to
emulate
the
orchard.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions
for
mr.
Sahni
in
mr.
Escher.
Okay.
So
we
can
let
mr.
Sahni
go
then
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
this
morning,
and
now
we
have
an
opportunity
for
questions
to
staff.
So
mr.
Bester
Leslie
in
the
in
the
report
that
identifies
the
key
attributes.
These
are
those
attributes
of
the
building
and
the
Underland.
A
There
are
two
and
I
can
read
those
key
attributes
of
the
setting
that
reflect
the
agricultural
history
of
Llewellyn.
Jones
house
include
one:
it's
set
back
approximately
90
metres
from
Fernbank
Road
access
by
long
driveway
and
to
the
small
apple
orchard
at
front
of
the
property
adjacent
to
Fernbank.
A
We're
getting
a
lot
with
heritage
buildings
that
are
on
wheels
these
days,
but
in
if
the
key
attribute
is
maintained
in
this
report,
mainly
that
the
key
attribute
is
that
it's
approximately
90
metres
from
Fernbank
Road,
should
that
not
be
deleted,
as
well
as
deleting
the
apple
orchard
to
permit
the
movement
of
the
house
through
you,
mr.
jereth,
thank
you
for
catching
that
mr.
A
You
know
adjacent
to
Fernbank
Road,
because
that's
not
a
typical
characteristic
of
a
farmhouse
in
the
rural
area,
so
and
as
we've
been
working
on
more
and
more
of
these
world
turns
suburban
heritage
designations,
we're
learning
every
time
or
I,
guess
I'm
learning
every
time
the
challenges
associated
with
trying
to
preserve
some
of
that
context,
so
I
think.
In
short,
the
answer
is.
Perhaps
the
motion
should
be
amended
to
delete
the
language,
approximately
90
meters,
and
that
was
an
oversight
on
my
part.
A
A
A
A
While
maintaining
a
substantial
substantial
set
back
from
the
road,
no
the
new
attribute
would
read
it's
set
back
from
from
Bank
Road
access
by
long
driveway,
okay,
so
that's
still
in
there.
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
staff
before
we
go
to
the
motion
comes
Ricardo.
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair
and
just
got
one
great,
quick
question
with
staff,
as
you
can
imagine
that,
because
the
sir
item
was
delayed
last
meeting,
there
has
been
a
lot
of
discussions
in
behind
the
scene,
good
staff,
as
well
as
the
proponent,
as
well
as
the
property
owner.
A
A
There
there
was
no
history
given
on
that
request,
who
the
request
came
from.
Was
it
from
the
department?
Was
it
from
somebody
in
the
community?
So
if
you
can
give
us
a
background
on
that,
I
would
appreciate
that
sure
no
problem
3
mr.
chair
heritage,
designation
requests
or
applications
come
from
many
sources.
Some
of
them
are
staff
initiated.
Some
of
them
are
applied
for
by
a
property
owner,
and
then
some
of
them
come
from
general
members
of
the
part
of
the
Ottawa
community.
So
in
this
instance
the
application
was
submitted.
B
A
That's
how
it
ended
up
in
the
in
the
hopper.
Thank
you
for
that
to
Miss,
Collins
and
I'm
aware
how
the
application
come
in
I.
Just
didn't
see
a
historical
aspect
in
terms
of
where
this
application
came
from.
So
that's
where
the
question
came
up
on
one
that
this
request
came
in
and
did
question
the
previous
public
delegation.
Were
they
informed
of
the
request
and
did
you
have
conversation
with
the
prospective
owner
at
the
president
perspective
on
what
the
current
order
process
generally
when
we
receive
these
applications?
A
Is
that
until
we
have
sort
of
assess
the
property
and
determined
whether
or
not
it
would
merit
designation
and
that
we
would
be
moving
forward
with
it?
We
don't
advise
the
property
owner
because
we
don't
have
anything
to
tell
them
at
that
point
in
time.
So
that's
why
mrs.
Jones
and
mr.
mrs.
Kelly
were
not
notified
of
of
the
requests
that
we
had
received.
However,
when
the
prospective
purchaser
came
in
to
discuss
their
use
of
the
potential
use
of
the
property,
it
did
come
up
and
we
still
hadn't
completed
the
work
at
that
time.
A
So
at
that
time
we
just
told
them.
You
know
we've
received
an
application
and,
and
then
I
followed
up
quite
quickly
within
two
or
three
weeks.
We
finished
all
the
work
and
and
got
back
in
touch
with
the
property,
the
current
property
owner,
to
tell
them
that
we
had
determined
that
it
met
the
criteria
for
designation
and
to
discuss
the
the
potential
designation
with
them.
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
Collins
and
thank
you.
Mr.
chair
Thank,
You
councillor
Carter,
any
other
questions
for
staff
on
this
item.
A
Seeing
none
so
councillor,
Wilkinson
has
introduced
a
motion
which
she
has
subsequently
amended
so
that
the
words
agreed
with
the
inclusion.
Sorry
I'm,
just
gonna
scroll
down
it's
on
the
screen,
remove
the
apple
orchard
in
the
distance
from
the
road
from
the
list
of
heritage
attributes.
So
the
amended
motion
is
before
us
is
that
code?
Okay,
mr.
sherbert
pre-k
just
have
one
small
statement
I'd
like
to
make
on
the
motion
itself
sure,
and
then
now
is
the
time.
A
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
go
to
this
house
this
about
a
week
ago
and
had
a
good
look
around,
not
only
inside
the
house
but
outside
the
house,
as
well
as
this
physical
setting,
currently
on
the
property
and
I
think
working
the
staff.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
worked
out
some
kinks
into
the
process,
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that
also
I'm
also
happy
to
see
the
designation
of
heritage
being
applied
to
this
building
and
I
do
support
that
and
I
think
here.
A
We
have
an
opportunity
not
only
to
look
at
this
heritage
building
in
to
protect
it,
but
you've
got
a
viable
user
that
has
come
forth
is
willing
to
invest
in
the
properties
willing
to
upgrade
the
property
in
terms
of
the
house
itself.
So
I
think
the
designation
is
worth
it
for
this
particular
location
and
I
do
want
to
serve
once
again
thank
staff
that
thank
the
public
delegation
that
came
up
this
money
to
represent
this
file.
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
comes
Ricardo.
So
then,
on
the
main
motion
as
amended.
A
Is
that
correct,
okay
and
I
would
simply
want
to?
Echo
comes
for
cadres
comments.
I've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
in
Statesville
recently
this
week
and
just
over
a
month
ago,
when
I
went
out
and
looked
at
this
property
initially
and
I
think
we
found
a
very
useful
and
sustainable
and
practical
solution
to
this
problem,
so
Thank
You
councillor
Qadri
for
your
interest
to
staff
into
the
perspective
buyer
for
all
the
work
that
went
into
this.
A
So
on
that
note,
we
can
move
to
the
next
item,
which
is
item
number
five:
the
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District
plant,
and
this
time
I'm
gonna.
Let
staff
go
first
just
to
technicality.
You
carried
the
amendment.
Do
you
have
to
carry
the
report?
I
did
I
miss
her
I
wouldn't
want
to
further
complicate
this
issue,
which
has
been
so
nicely.
It
was
a
ok,
so
miss
Collins.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
this
item
for
us.
A
Okay
good
morning
again,
so
this
is
a
presentation
regarding
the
new,
the
new
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan,
which
we've
been
working
on
for
the
last
year
or
so.
So,
let's
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
the
contents
of
the
plan.
I
have
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
it
bit
by
bit,
because
it
would
not
be
very
interesting
for
you
so
as
in
terms
of
background,
the
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District
was
designated
in
2001
and
at
that
time
the
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District
study
and
plan
was
adopted
by
council.
D
Group
I
should
say
so.
The
requirements
of
an
HCD
plan
are
laid
out
in
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
and
these
requirements
are
a
statement
of
objectives,
statement
of
cultural
heritage,
value,
a
description
of
heritage,
attributes,
policies,
guidelines
and
procedures
for
maintaining
for
managing
change
in
the
district
and
the
description
of
alterations
that
don't
require
a
heritage
permit.
So
this
plan
has
been
drafted
in
order
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
D
D
So
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
is
the
foundation
of
the
plan,
and
this
outlines
the
reasons
the
HCD
is
significant.
I
think
this
is
the
most
important
piece,
and
this
is
the
piece
that
we
started
with.
So
we
wrote
this.
This
statement
of
cultural
heritage.
Ie
was
written
in
collaboration
with
the
community
working
group
and
it
was
the
foundation
for
which
all
management
guidelines
came
from.
D
So
everything
that
is
in
the
HCD
plan
in
terms
of
guidelines
is
intended
to
protect
and
manage
the
special
character
of
the
HCD,
as
defined
by
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value,
just
a
quick
summary
of
the
reasons.
So
it's
a
significant
example
of
a
19th
century
village
located
within
the
urban
area
of
Ottawa.
D
A
diverse
mix
of
housing
styles,
including
buildings
from
as
early
as
the
1830s
and
then
just
very,
very
quick
excerpts
from
the
Heritage
attributes,
the
historic
block
layout
with
streets
and
lanes,
one
and
a
half
to
two
and
a
half
story:
residential
building
height
with
a
dominance
of
front
gable.
Roofed
houses,
the
remaining.
A
E
In
terms
of
consultation,
as
I
mentioned,
the
draft
was
written
in
consultation
with
the
working
group
from
mecca
and
a
member
of
the
board
of
heritage
Ottawa.
The
first
draft
was
published
online
in
July,
we
held
a
public
meeting
in
October.
Approximately
30
people
came
to
that
public
meeting.
We
did
receive
comments
at
the
meaning,
as
well
as
several
comments
after
and
then
the
final
draft
was
circulated
to
the
working
group
in
early
December.
E
They
provided
some
further
minor
comments
and
the
draft
was
revised.
Accordingly,
a
statutory
public
meeting
is
required
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
all
property
owners
must
be
notified.
Of
this,
we've
been
advised
by
our
legal
staff
that
Planning
Committee
is
the
appropriate
place
to
have
this
statutory
public
meeting
so
that
that
meeting
is
January.
26
and
all
property
owners
have
been
notified
of
the
meeting
and
offered
the
opportunity
to
submit
comments
or
attend
the
meeting
and
and
and
speak.
E
So.
In
conclusion,
the
Department
recommends
the
adoption
of
the
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan,
because
it
meets
the
requirements
of
the
anterior
eject.
It's
been
developed
in
consultation
with
the
community
and
it
will
provide
a
greater
level
of
protection
for
the
new
Edinburgh
Heritage
Conservation
District
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
Member
Quinn
was
first
off
the
mark.
So
thank
you.
I
have
a
question
just
Lesley.
If
you
could
elaborate
on
the
of
the
four
guidelines
for
the
the
fourth
one
for
landscape
and
laneways,
simply
because,
in
my
experience
on
this
committee,
we
have
had
some
contentious
proposals
come
before
us
about
developing
laneways.
So
if
you
could
elaborate
on
how
the
new
guidelines
have
addressed,
that
would
be
appreciate
it.
E
The.
As
you
say,
the
laneways
have
been
a
contentious
issue
in
in
new
Edinburgh
for
some
time.
One
of
the
early
attributes
that
was
very
clearly
articulated
to
me
from
my
working
group
was
the
importance
of
the
green
character
of
the
laneways
and
the
sort
of
informal
character
of
the
laneways,
and
that
there
was
concern
over
the
building
of
you
know:
big
houses
on
the
lanes.
A
C
B
Was
also
some
concern
about
new
accessory
buildings
on
the
lanes
and
the
size
of
them.
We
had
an
application
a
couple
years
ago
for
a
new
garage
on
the
lane,
but
it
was
quite
large
and
it
was
two
stories
and
you
know
there
was
a
loft
up
above,
and
so
there
was
concern
about
the
fact
that
new
accessory
buildings
on
the
lane
should
reflect
the
character
of
historic
accessory
buildings
on
the
lane,
so
small,
modest
bottom.
Would
that
kind
of
thing?
So
that's
that's
the
the
guidelines
for
four-lane
ways.
B
Any
other
questions
to
staff
mr.
Weiser.
This
follows
on
other
questions
on
other
files
that
have
to
do
with
the
scoring
of
buildings
and
the
classification
into
contributing
and
non-contributing.
In
section,
eight
point:
five
point:
one
of
the
heritage
conservation
plan:
sorry
to
refer
to
a
number
which
people
don't
have
quick
access
to,
but
it's.
A
F
A
Know
assessing
a
1990s
building
that
might
be
perfectly
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
as
contributing
to
the
overall
statement.
The
reasons
for
designation
and
that
that's
not
so
I
could
not
defend.
You
know
not
demolishing
that
building
which
could
be
replaced
by
something
also
equally
perfectly
appropriate.
So
the
whole
basis
of
it
is
a
recognition
that
all
of
these
buildings
have
have
some
place
in
the
community
and
that
keeping
them
is
a
better
alternative
to
demolishing
them
and
improving
them.
A
G
B
A
C
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
staff
on
this
item.
Seeing
none
I
know
that
the
vice
chair
has
a
much
shorter
amendment
to
the
motion,
very
very
short,
just
dealing
with
two
very
specific
legal
or
technical
items.
Mr.
vice
chair,
yes,
mr.
chair,
that
the
draft
motion
which
I
think
is
on
the
screen
here
that
has
gone
through
legal,
seven,
probably
heard
of
staff
as
well,
which
has
to
do
with
clarifying
the
Lang,
the
language
of
the
Heritage
attributes
and
the
possibility,
and
without
reading
it
out.
B
A
Is
that
Kay,
okay
and
then
it's
the
overall
motion
carried
as
amended?
Okay,
wonderful,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
very
much
to
staff
and
to
the
new
Edinburgh
Community
Association
working
group
and
to
all
of
the
people
who
have
been
involved
with
this
I.
Think
we'll
have
an
opportunity
at
Planning,
Committee
to
hear
more
from
the
residents.
A
So
I
look
forward
to
that
discussion
and
if
there
is,
if
there
are
any
changes
emerging
from
that
meeting,
I
will
be
sure
to
let
members
of
this
committee
know
I'm
not
expecting
any,
but
we
do
of
course
need
to
be
open
to
what
happens
at
that
meeting
in
terms
of
the
public
interventions.
So
on
that
note,
we
can
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.