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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – November 13, 2014
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F
F
F
Carry
okay
I
have
a
little
speech
I'm
going
to
present
on
this
on
the
on
our
work
that
we've
done
this
term
and
after
that,
we're
going
to
have
a
video
presentation
of
our
2014
heritage,
tour
which
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
enjoy,
and
then
we
get
to
the
meat
of
the
matter.
The
application
for
new
construction
on
Littleton
Gardens
we're
going
to
hold
that
one,
because
some
of
the
committee
members
have
some
questions
and
we
have
received
correspondence
from
the
nearby
neighbors
on
that
file,
so
that
would
be
held.
F
The
next
one
is
the
application
to
alter
241
Park
Road
a
properly
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
entero
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
Rockland
Heritage
Conservation
District.
We
don't
have
any
speakers
today
and
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
today.
The
ambassador.
Thank
you
very
much.
Welcome
Bienvenue
and
I'll.
Ask
my
colleagues
if
they
have
any
questions
or
they
want
to
hold
it
well,
if
we
can
carry
this.
G
F
H
Thank
you
I'll,
be
very
brief
sure,
but
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
I'm
the
ambassador
of
Columbia
and
the
governor
of
Columbia
has
owned
this
house
at
2:41,
Park
Road.
Since
1956
we
when
we
bought
it,
it
was
maybe
a
40
year
old
house
and
over
the
years
it
started
to
deteriorate
in
several
aspects,
and
the
government
does
allocating
the
small
funds
to
try
to
maintain
the
house.
But
when
I
arrived
with
my
wife
and
little
kids
here
two
years
ago
and
we
moved
into
the
house,
we
found
asbestos.
H
There
was
asbestos
all
over
the
house,
so
that
was
the
reason
that
we
were
able
to
allocate
some
money
from
the
government
to
fix
the
house,
and
so
we
we
spend
six
months
abating
all
the
asbestos
where
we
think
the
house
is
finally
free
of
all
the
asbestos,
especially
the.
What
was
worrisome
for
us
was
the
the
wrappings
in
the
in
the
pipes
that
are
very
close
to
our
kids
played
etcetera.
But
all
that
is
done
agon
and
we
started
to
fix
the
house.
We
had
to
change
everything
at
the
house,
electricity
pipes.
H
Many
times
don't
have
the
funds,
so
we
were
in
a
way
lucky
that
nobody
got
hurt
in
the
government,
because
it
was
a
health
issue
managed
to
locate
some
money
so
we're
working
with
our
contractors
here
this
is
done,
but
we
need
to
modernize
a
hundred-year-old
house
and
one
of
the
things
we
use
that
residents
for
is
receptions
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
don't
tell
you
when
you
move
to
Canada
is
that
it's
called
a
few
months
of
the
year.
Yeah.
H
Actually,
what
they
don't
tell
you
is
how
spectacular
summers
are
that
nobody
tells
you
that,
but
anyway,
I
guess
we
need
to
extend
just
a
little
bit
the
entrance
so
that
when
people
come
very
punctual
in
that
America,
nobody
would
come
everybody
at
the
same
time,
so
you
need
a
place
that
they
won't
face,
while
they're
changing
their
boots
and
jackets
it
set
out
when
they
come
into
the
house.
We.
H
F
F
F
We
have
a
whole
bunch
of
heritage
left
there,
since
most
of
it
was
annexed
or
stolen
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
over
the
decades,
just
had
to
say
that
1993
Robertson
knowed,
when
they
part
for
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
it's
the
former
al
Steakhouse
in
across
from
the
second
Nepean
city
hall,
and
does
anyone
have
any
reason
to
hold
this
on
a
presentation?
No
good,
don't
want
to
hear
me
say
anymore,
but
in
a
pan
or
anything.
F
Farming
farmers
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
that's
Kerry
good
okay,
so
we
have
one
item
held
and
that's
the
light
Alton
and
we'll
go
to
get
to
that
shortly
for
questions.
So
thank
you
all
for
coming
to
this
final
meeting
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
of
this
term
of
City
Council.
We
all
remember
that
it's
a
brand
new
way
of
respecting
heritage
in
our
city.
F
So,
as
I
said,
I'd
like
to
take
a
little
time
to
touch
on
some
of
the
work
that
this
group
has
done.
This
built
on
two
subcommittee
is
something
new
it
because
we
have
a
mixture
of
elected
councillors
and
heritage
experts
from
the
community.
The
subcommittee
was
created
to
act
as
a
bridge
between
the
heritage,
community
and
council
to
broaden
the
knowledge
of
heritage
issues
on
council
and
raise
the
profile
of
heritage
issues
in
the
community.
These
things
have
all
been
accomplished,
we're
not
finished
yet,
but
they
were
on
our
way.
F
That
way,
we'll
see
a
brief
presentation
of
that
tour
right
after
I'm
finished
talking.
The
biggest
heritage
issue
in
the
city
in
this
term
has
been
the
demolition
by
neglect
issue.
The
subcommittee,
our
mayor,
Watson,
Jim,
Watson
and
City
Council
have
made
it
clear
that
we
will
not
tolerate
demolition
by
neglect.
There
are
new
provisions
in
the
property
standards
by
law
to
ensure
that
designated
heritage
properties
are
maintained
and
their
heritage
attributes
are
conserved.
F
We
know
there
is
more
work
to
be
done
in
this
area,
and
we
know
that
in
some
cases
we
won't
be
able
to
catch
up
it.
Just
we
just
are
too
late.
We
have
come
to
understand
the
need
to
update
our
Heritage
Conservation
District
plans
such
as
Sandy
Hill,
walk,
live
Park
and
new
Edinburgh
to
address
the
current
development
process
in
these
communities.
We
plan
to
do
this
in
2015.
A
third
issue
that
has
been
in
is
the
mandate
of
the
subcommittee
and
some
concern
that
it
may
be
too
narrow.
F
This
is
being
reviewed
for
the
upcoming
term
and
when
we
have
our
governance
review
by
Council
of
all
of
the
boards,
the
committee's
etc.
Certainly
will
have
some
recommendations
coming
for
the
Heritage
built
heritage
subcommittee
and
I
have
to
say
thank
you
to
Lesley
Maitland
for
meeting
with
us
for
with
michael
lizi
and
myself
back
a
few
months
ago
to
talk
about
your
ideas
on
them.
F
F
The
existing
heritage
reference
list
is
out-of-date
and
requires
updating
to
ensure
that
property
owners
are
aware
if
their
property
is
of
heritage,
interest
to
the
city-
and
we
heard
this
with
a
couple
of
applications
where
the
brad.leah
site,
for
example,
of
missed
its
valaria,
where
the
owner,
who
was
planning
on
building
a
a
business
park,
found
out
that
no,
he
couldn't
take
down
the
flatly
homestead
in
that
case
and
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
on
a
list
that
was
available
to
them
when
they
were
making
their
application.
That
was
problematic.
F
So
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
work
on
that
as
well.
Updating
this
list
will
also
help
the
built
heritage,
subcommittee
and
staff,
be
more
Pro
active,
as
opposed
to
reactive
about
designations,
because
a
couple
of
times
we
have
been
in
a
position
where,
in
order
to
save
the
farm,
so
to
speak,
we've
we've
been
in
situation
where
we've
had
to
designate
because
of
application,
and
so
we're
hoping
to
do
that
better
as
well.
We
need
to
improve
the
city's
website
in
regards
to
heritage
matters
and
have
a
focal
point.
F
So
many
people
are
accessing
the
city's
website.
We
need
to
have
the
availability
there
to
talk
about
what,
where
we,
where
we
have
been
and
where
we're
going
with
regard
to
heritage
matters,
events
such
as
the
Ottawa
architectural
awards
that
will
be
hosted
this
February
do
justice
jurors,
recently
toured
the
nominated
submissions
and
we're
very
impressed
with
the
candidates
and
with
our
program.
Finally,
we
need
to
collaborate
more
with
other
levels
of
government.
I.
Think
we've
made
a
good
start
there
with
the
new
CEO
of
the
of
the
NCC
mark.
Dr.
F
mark,
Christmas
and
I
was
very
pleased
that,
literally
a
few
days
after
his
taking
over
the
position,
he
met
with
us
on
seven
clearance.
I
thought
that
that
was
a
very
outstanding
show
of
his
resolution
to
work
well
with
the
city
and
I
know
that
our
advice,
chair
Podolski,
has
met
with
him
on
other
files
as
well.
F
The
federal
government
is
a
large
owner
of
heritage
properties
in
the
National
Capital
Region,
and
so
we
have
to
be
more,
even
though
some
of
it
is
not
under
our
jurisdiction.
We
have
to
think
about
it
holistically.
We
need
to
work
more
closely
with
our
federal
counterparts
to
build
relationships
and
I.
Think
that's
a
matter.
Several
of
you
know
that
we
are
working
with
the
NCC
on
a
heritage
workshop
in
2015.
We
will
look
for
more
such
opportunities
in
the
future.
F
While
we
can
do
more,
you
have
your
commitment
and
your
careful
attention
and
thoughtful
observations
have
been,
have
well
served
the
Heritage
Committee
heritage
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
work.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
staff.
Now
when
the
staff
were
preparing
this
for
speech
for
me,
which
of
course,
as
usual
I
have,
you
know
digress
from
a
number
of
times
as
as
Jan
writers.
What
to
do?
F
There
is
nothing
in
here
that
says
the
compliments,
the
work
of
the
staff
and
we
could
not
do
this
on
our
own
at
all.
We
have
been
fortunate
to
have
another
staff
person
at
it
and
welcome
aboard,
but
Sally
and
Wesley
mr.
Mazzy
legal
counsel,
Christine
Thank,
You
rosemary
and
your
team.
Mr.,
dare
and
all
the
work
that
you
do
for
us.
We
really
appreciate
that,
because
it
has
allowed
us
to
I
think
be
better
than
what
many
expected.
F
So
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
and
I'd
like
to
miss
Maitland
again
for
your
leadership,
and
they
know
that
you'll
be
part
of
the
future
of
the
built
heritage
committee.
So
thank
you,
everyone
and
we'll
get
on
with
our
item,
which
is,
as
I
said,
application
for
new
construction
or
Littleton
gardens
now.
Is
it
Littleton
or
light
Alton.
G
B
D
Liz
McKenzie
showed
how
some
of
the
earliest
streets
of
by
Tom
exist
along
intensive
along
so
intensively
development
and
how
the
unique
buildings
of
Lower
Town
that
the
foresee
house
keep
the
memory
of
Canada
a
batter
as
working-class
heritage.
Your
life
in
Bergamo
janet
urine,
highlighted
deep
historical
interest
of
the
district,
noting
the
remarkable
retention
of
many
older
buildings
such
as
the
freezer
schoolhouse
and
Henderson
house,
promoting
some
new
developments
as.
D
Finally,
a
church
planter
rusty
Collins
pointed
out
some
of
the
Harris
remarks
in
Sandy
Hill,
tabaret,
Hall,
Austen's,
Anglican,
Church
and
Larry
house
among
them,
and
loaded
the
development
pressures
in
that
community,
as
well
for
their
temperature
subcommittees
members
and
the
city
staff
who
were
connoisseur
at
the
tool
provider
bills.
A
closer
look
at
some
Nevada
as
most
important
heritage
properties
and
a
sense
of
development
of
the
development
pressures
in
these
unique
neighborhoods.
Now
we'll
see
this
video.
D
D
B
F
F
Was
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge,
but
fortunately
sandy
was
a
guide
on
that
part
of
it.
So
thanks
everyone.
It
was
I'm
glad
that
we
did
it
because,
as
you
know,
late
in
the
in
in
this
year
there
were
some
questions
about
whether
we
should
be
doing
it
or
not.
But
we
were
right
to
do
it
and
so
look
forward
to
the
next
one
for
sure.
F
Okay,
so
now
we'll
go
to
and
I
should
say
which
I
should
have
said
before.
Is
that
I'd
like
to
welcome
councilor,
elect
Jeff
leaper?
Thank
you
for
coming
out
today,
so
we're
going
to
have
some
questions,
I
think
and
we're
going
to
you're
going
to
put
up
a
couple
of
slides,
and
then
we
have
some
questions
from
committee.
E
E
And
through
through
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
just
point
out
that
there's
two
trees
up
here
that
are
American
elms
that
are
also
being
retained,
but
aren't
aren't
shown
there.
That's
the
ice.
I
put
the
site
plan
instead
of
the
landscape
plan,
but
these
two
are
American
elms.
This
is
an
American
beech
tree.
This
is
also
an
American
beech
tree,
a
large
sugar
maple.
This
is
the
password
that's
proposed
for
removal.
That
is
not
it's
not
in
good
condition,
but
it's
proposed
for
removal.
E
E
Yeah
and
our
just
the
current
state
of
the
rot
is
a
is
breaking
its
a
shoving
pool
with
a
poor
house
so
to
accommodate
a
new
development
and
between
you.
Six
of
the
eight
trees,
especially
on
the
perimeter.
Littleton,
is
a
tree-lined
street
and
that's
very
important
to
the
neighborhood.
So
to
be
able
to
keep
the
ones
on
the
street
is
is
very
significant,
but
we
didn't
have
a
concern
with
the
removal
of
the
two.
E
E
I
Thanks
for
showing
this
I
think
that,
when
the
things
that
would
be
helpful
on
future
applications,
especially
in
heritage
district,
where
the
landscape
is
of
significance
is
that
the
applicant
should
be
referred
to
table
a
very,
very
clear
landscape
plan,
which
shows
very
explicitly
which
trees
are
proposed
for
removal
which
trees
and
shrubs
are
intended
to
be
retained,
and
what
the
new
submission
is
going
to
add.
I
think
that
in
the
package
that
we
got,
we
do
not
get
this
drawing
no
and.
E
I
True,
and
so
it's
important
not
just
for
the
committee,
but
goes
to
circulation
to
the
public-
that
it
is
very,
very
clear
what
the
landscape
strategy
is
and
the
rationale
for
each
one
I
think
that
would
then
prevent
confusion
about
what
the
policy
is,
what
the
heritage
values
are
and
why
the
intervention
is
either
necessary
or
desirable.
So
in
the
future,
if
you
could
show
that
all
the
applications
containing
that.
Thank
you.
It's.
F
D
E
F
Because
you
know
with
all
the
the
the
amount
of
work
the
forestry
is
doing
and
taking
down
all
the
trees
that
they
are
now
I
mean,
and
then
your
cha,
you
say
in
Atlantic
sorry
an
American
elm
for
example,
and
then
I
mean
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
trees
at
all.
But
I
start
thinking
well,
Jesus
sugar,
maple
I
happen
to
know
that
that's
the
second
most
valuable,
desirable
tree
next.
Only
to
a
red
oak
and
I
know
that
from
David
Bartley
and
his
group
telling
me
that
so
then
I'm
starting
to
think.
G
I
wonder
given
one
of
the
trees
is
within
the
construction
zone.
I
know
an
issue.
Thank
you
for
an
issue.
We've
faced
in
the
past
is
when
a
tree
is
identified
as
being
saved,
or
the
proposal
is
to
save
it
that
when
we
actually
see
construction
take
place
at
construction
equipment
is
parked
and
drives
around
the
base
of
the
tree.
G
This
all
gets
compacted
and
even
though
the
tree
may
be
saved
during
the
course
of
construction
within
a
couple
of
years,
it
dies
because
of
soil
compaction
and
what
I've
seen
sometimes
is
they'll
put
some
of
the
snow
fencing
up
around
that
which
just
doesn't
withstand.
Could
the
Raiders
of
a
construction
site
so
I'm
wondering
do
you
have
some
protocol
in
terms
of
insisting
that
there
be
some
sort
of
more
robust
protection
for
the
drip
line
of
the
tree
to
ensure
that
trees
that
are
supposed
to
be
saved
do
indeed
get
saved.
E
D
That
certainly
is
possible
and
I
think
in
the
future.
We
can
also
I've
been
I've
noticed
in
other
cities.
They
extent
that
they
that
that
there's,
that
trees
are
protected
during
construction,
so
we
can
look
into
what
other
cities
do
and
include
in
the
landscape.
It
is
included
as
part
of
the
the
heritage
value
of
their
heritage,
attributes
of
the
districts
we
can
start,
including,
including
on
a
regular
basis,
information
about
how
that's
going
to
be
undertaken
during
construction
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
That.
I
Small
contribution
to
this
dialogue,
which
I
wasn't
intending
to
extend,
but
the
we
can
look
as
far
as
the
City
of
Ottawa,
because
the
City
of
Ottawa
under
site,
fine
control
mechanism,
actually
has
the
policy
and
has
the
mechanism
in
place.
And
if
you
destroy
a
tree
that
was
supposed
to
be
kept
by
site
plan,
you
are
financially
punished.
The
city
can
go
in
and
actually
plant.
Another
tree,
michael
lizi
would
would
know
that.
I
G
J
G
G
F
We
don't
allow
them
20
because
of
a
number
of
previous
policies
on
Lita
clay
and
setbacks,
and
they
and
the
opportunity
for
people
to
share
that
who's,
who's,
where
sidewalks
utilities,
etc,
etc,
and
the
density
we're
achieving,
which
is
very
high
and
it
on
the
postage
stamp
really
of
space.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
because
trees
are
very
important
and
whether,
if
you
don't
have
them,
you
know
that
if
you
do
have
them
and
you're
gonna
lose
them.
You
know
that
as
well.
So
that's
great
news.
Anybody
have
anything
else.
Yes,.
J
J
E
So
I
can
answer.
The
first
thing
that
we
do
in
this
case
is
a
somewhat
unique
circumstance,
because
there
wasn't
an
existing
house
there
that
we
would
have
to
determine.
Could
that
house
be
demolished?
Yes,
who
knows
that
they're
contributing
building?
And
so
in
this
case
we
were
just
looking
at
the
new
buildings,
and
in
that
case
we
refer
to
the
Rocko's
part
guidelines
that
we
use
for
the
district
and
some
of
the
main
points
of
the
guy
weren't,
oh,
that
the
materials
being
natural.
E
So
in
this
case
we
were
with
the
applicant,
you
can
see,
there's
stucco
limestone
glass.
We
try
to
encourage
natural
materials,
no
no
fake
items.
We
try
to
ensure
that
the
building
is
of
its
only
time.
We
actually
prefer
that
the
building
read
as
a
2014
building,
as
opposed
to
maybe
a
1960s
building.
That
is,
that
is
cramming
on
the
street.
So
you're
right,
it
does
look
very
different
to
the
neighboring
buildings,
but
the
guidelines
don't
require
it
to
to
match
its
neighbors.
E
It
can
read
as
its
own
building
to
complement
the
neighborhood
in
rock
lift,
especially
it's
the
landscaping,
so
the
the
maintenance
of
the
of
the
mature
trees,
the
orientation
of
the
building
to
the
street,
and
in
this
case
maybe
I'll,
just
show
this.
It's
this
this
image
here
at
the
bottom
portion,
you
see
what
they've
done
with
the
proportions
and
massing
to
its
neighbors.
E
J
Like
sandy
just
said
that
that
his
industry
celebrates
this
kind
of
thing,
I
get
puzzled
by
that
was
on
Geneva
Street
once
and
there
was
all
these
houses
on
Geneva
Street
are
beautiful
and
of
a
certain
time,
and
then
there's
this
one.
You
know
box
which
the
owner
loves,
but
it
is
just
so
out
of
character
with
the
entire
but
I
personally
like
that
kind
of
thing.
But
this
is
why
we
have
people
at
Sandy,
smaller
in
Belsky,.
J
G
These
were
the
type
of
things
that
we
identified
as
being
important.
So
rather
than
saying
to
somebody,
we
want
you
to
build
a
house
from
this
period.
We
said
build
a
house
of
its
time,
so
a
2014
house
should
we
would
celebrate
a
house
built
in
2014
that
was
designed
in
2014
and
I
understand
your
concern
because
you're
in
20
14
now,
but
I
would
suggest
you
that
in
50
years
maybe
you'll
look
back
at
this
house
and
say
it's
a
wonderful
host.
So
we
just
are
possibly
but
but
that's.
J
D
Member
Quinn
Karen,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
just
Scott,
often
in
situations
like
this.
It's
not
so
much
style,
perhaps
as
it
is
scale
and
massing
that
becomes
the
issue.
A
modern,
interesting
designed
house
is
perhaps
sometimes
fits
in
better.
If
it
isn't,
you
know,
monopolizing
the
entire
lot
and-
and
in
this
case,
looking
at
scale
and
mass
in
here
as
Ann
pointed
out,
I
think
it's
fairly
respectful
of
its
neighbors.
E
This
is
the
building
here
on
the
in
the
center.
It
is
slightly
it's
within
the
the
front
yard
setback.
There's
no
variance
is
required.
It's
slightly
closer
to
the
street
than
its
neighbors,
but
by
a
very
small
amount
that
these
are
the
neighbors,
and
this
is
in
so
I
took
a
ruler
and
I
was
looking
at
it.
I,
don't
know
the
exact
measurement
of
how
much
closer
it
is,
but
it's
a
reasonable
distance.
Okay.
F
Else,
Carolyn,
no
thank
you.
No,
we
did
receive,
as
I
said
earlier,
correspondence
and
I'm
going
to
ask
vice-chair
Podolski
to
address
a
couple
of
the
concerns
from
one
of
the
neighbors
who
cannot
be
here
today
and
we
would
like
to
address
them
here
at
this
committee,
even
though
this
will
go
to
planning
and
they
would
have
the
opportunity
to
come
to
compiling
committee
as
well
to
to
speak
to
it.
But
let's
deal
with
it
today,
if
we
can.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
I
Thank
you
and
we're,
referring,
of
course,
to
the
submission
from
Berlin
Jake
reading.
That
raises
three
points:
one
we
addressed,
which
had
to
do
with
the
the
cutting
down
of
the
maple
tree
and
the
second
one
you
have
just
already
just
which
has
to
do
with
the
setback
from
the
from
the
front
line.
I
think
that
you,
you
answered
that
it's
within
rezoning.
It
does
not
line
up
with
the
other
houses,
but
in
the
Rockland
Paris
conservation
district
I.
I
Don't
think
the
guidelines
say
that
it
has
to
find
out
so
that
one
is
unanswered
and
then
the
third
one
had
to
do
with
the
discussion
about
the
location
of
the
driveway.
With
the
side
entrance
to
the
question,
could
you
actually
talk
about
the
options
and
why
that
one
was
supported
by
the?
But
it's
nice
to
have.
E
This
one
in
this
case
and
the
Connolly
we
received
indicated
that
most
of
the
properties
on
Littleton
have
the
garages
facing
the
street
and
that
that's
true
in
this
case
the
applicant
wanted
the
garage
on
the
side
of
the
house
so
that
the
street
facing
portion
read
more
as
as
a
house
as
opposed
to
grow,
as
opposed
to
the
garage
from
a
heritage
perspective.
We
don't
have
any
concerns
with
their
location
of
the
garage
on
a
building
and
in
fact
often
we
encourage
their
location
to
be
on
the
side
of
the
house.
E
I
Employers-
and
you
know
your
architect
is
ruling
the
neighborhood,
and
this
was
a
Victorian
Queen,
Anne
style,
neighborhood
and
Frank
Lloyd
Wright's.
Modern
building,
of
course,
is
now
one
of
the
attractions
of
4-part.
So
I
think
that
there's
subjectivity
involved
but
I
think
that
this
committee
and
we
all
need
to
continue
learning
about
the
guidelines
of
Harry's
conservation
issues
and
the
reasons
for
designation
and
understand
the
how
architectural
styles
and
values
change
and
modify
our
guidelines
and
our
values
accordingly.
G
G
F
F
D
Think
I'm,
just
one
thing
before
we
adjourned
I'm
a
councillor
harder
I,
think
that
all
of
us,
the
staff
and
the
members
of
the
community
would
also
like
to
thank
you
for
your
leadership,
since
this
was
founded
in
2013,
we've,
really
all
you've
higher
levels
of
knowledge
and
participation
and
I
think
we've
all
been
really
privileged
to
to
be
able
to
to
serve
and
to
help
the
committee.
So
thank
you
well,.
F
F
That
sort
of
thing
it's
different
and
what
I
liked
what
you
said
about
and
I
think
that
you
as
well
that
when
you're
talking
about
both
of
those
places
you
were
and
when
they
were
built
and
what
the
thought
was
and
what
they
mean
now
and
if
you
look
at
our
one
community
that
we
designated
briar
fire
clip
by
our
cliff
I
mean
think
about
that.
For
me,
when
I
was
first
looking
at
it,
we
didn't
have
this
committee.
I
was
thinking
myself.
What's
so
special
about
that
place.