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Community and Protective Services Committee – June 20, 2013 – Audio Stream
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B
Thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
this
morning,
folks
we're
going
to
get
underway,
we'll
call
to
order
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee
for
today
Thursday
the
20th
of
June
2013.
Welcome
you
to
the
committee
for
those
of
you
who
are
joining
us
for
the
first
time
today
and
remind
you
that
committees
are
audio
cast
as
well.
So
if
you
are
going
to
be
coming
up
and
presenting
today,
please
remember
to
use
the
microphone
that's
in
front
of
you
hit
the
button.
B
Will
red
light
oh
come
on,
so
that
the
folks
out
in
internet
land
can
hear
you
we're
going
to
go
through
a
bit
of
a
consent
agenda
and
then
we'll
be
coming
back
and
so
we'll
be
holding
the
items
with
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
first
would
be:
oh,
you
know
what
the
first
order
of
business
actually
is.
It
is
our
committee
coordinators
birthday
today.
B
That's
25
again
for
mark,
so
the
first
item,
declarations
of
interest
members
of
the
committee.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
this
morning?
No?
Thank
you,
confirmation
of
minutes,
minutes,
24,
May,
16,
2013
Kerry.
Thank
you.
Crime
prevention,
Ottawa,
we're
going
to
hold
that
chair,
Kadri
and
the
folks
with
crime
prevention
of
a
presentation
on
that.
The
city,
manager's
office,
city
clerk
and
Solicitor
Department
accessibility,
Advisory,
Committee,
work
plan.
This
has
been
circulated
in
advance
and,
of
course,
accepted
by
the
accessibility.
B
Advisory
Committee
I
know
that
the
chair
of
accessible
Advisory
Committee
is
here
as
well
today,
mr.
Emerson
chair
marcin,
thank
you
for
joining
us.
Is
there
any
desire
to
hold
this
members
or
may
we
carry
it
carried?
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
chair
Marcin,
for
joining
us.
A
status
update
community
Protective,
Services
Committee
inquiries
in
motions
for
the
period
ending
13
June.
May
we
receive
this?
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
business
services
department,
the
annual
city
balance
scorecard
2012
edition
for
community
and
Protective
Services.
We're
being
asked
to
consider
and
recommend
a
council
approval
of
appendix
G,
which
is
our
relevant
portion
to
the
2012
annual
city,
counts
city,
the
balanced
scorecard.
May
we
carry
this
great?
Thank
you.
Accordingly,
performers
to
council
q1
January
1
to
March
31.
We're
being
asked
to
receive
this
before
the
review
and
discussion
of
the
services
areas.
Performance
results
is
outlined
in
the
attached
report
received.
B
B
Ottawa
Fire
Services
2012
annual
report
again
circulated
in
advance
with
the
agenda
or
there
any
desire
to
hold
this
or
may
we
receive
it
see.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
members
at
a
service
for
coming
out
this
morning
to
speak
to
that,
if
necessary,
special
events
on
public
and
private
property
by
law,
we're
going
to
hold
that
we
have
a
presentation
by
mr.
Shen
and
we
do
have
speakers
from
the
audience.
B
I
would
remind
you
that
if
you
do
wish
to
speak,
please
see
the
folks
at
the
table
over
there
and
there's
a
form
that
you
fill
out
and
we'll
make
sure
you
get
on
the
agenda
to
speak
item
number
9,
Public,
Works,
Department,
abandon
shopping
carts,
there's
no
motions
on
this
I
believe
councillor,
Tierney
and
or
flurry
have
a
comment
to
make.
Ok,
so
we'll
let
them
make
their
comment.
Unless
there's
wish
to
hold
this
for
debate,
you
guys
you
guys,
can
fight.
C
I've
read
a
couple
of
elements
that
are
forgotten,
unfortunately,
is
yes.
Cuts
are,
and
I,
sir
and
I'll.
Let
my
colleague
jump
into
that,
but
there's
actually
a
city
liability
factor
that
wasn't
previously
understood.
You
had
a
store.
The
cart
is
driven
off
on
a
sidewalk
on
a
roadway.
An
accident
happens
related
to
that
cart.
The
city
is
responsible,
I
think
that's
important.
To
say,
and
all
of
this
is
that
it's
not
just
a
merchant
and
someone
being
a
card
home.
C
It's
what
happens
with
that
card
afterwards
and
we've
we've
talked
about
it
in
the
past
around
an
eyesore,
that's
a
definite,
but
the
other
element
that's
often
neglected
and
forgotten.
Is
the
liability
factor
so
happy
about
this
and
we
did
meet
with
the
industry
and
after
say
it
was
unfortunate.
The
industry
is
not
well
in
informed
they
they.
They
did
not
share
any
initial
comments
and
then,
when
we
started
speaking
about
some
of
these,
the
challenges
we
had,
then
they
threw
the
theft
card
and
I
asked
how
many
report
of
stolen
goods
related
to
carts.
C
D
Just
to
follow
up
on
cancer
flow,
these
thoughts
on
that
we've
heard
from
many
people
and
usually
the
comment
that
I've
received
is:
why
would
you
want
to
punish
retailers,
and
in
no
way
do
we
want
to
punish
retailers?
That's
why
this
this
we're
going
through
today
is
actually
looking
at
the
people
that
take
the
cuts
as
well
and
city
is
like
Mississauga,
Brampton
Markham
that
have.
D
We
no
longer
have
an
issue
in
that
city.
That's
something
I
want
to
replicate
in
your
city,
it's
something
that's
already
underway
in
scenes
like
London,
where
they
had
a
traffic
accident
last
year
in
October,
where
shopping
that
was
left
on
the
boulevard
and
pushed
out
on
the
roadway
and
the
motorcyclist
went
into
hospital
in
some
serious
condition.
E
B
B
Pds
to
receive
information
previously
distributed
delegated
authority
2012
by
by
law
and
regulatory
services
use
of
delegated
authority
by
parts
and
by
community
and
Social
Services
Department,
there's
also
one
other
to
receive
the
Advisory
Committee
reserve
appointment,
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee,
one
of
the
members
appointed
left
the
City
of
Ottawa,
so
they
notified
us
that
they
would
not
be
able
to
serve
anymore.
So
the
first
Reserve
was
called
up
so
members,
the
committee
may
we
receive
those
IP
DS
C.
B
B
Thank
you
so
first
I'd
like
to
this
was
in
relation
to
the
Winthrop
Park
community
of
the
winter
Court
community
and
inspiration
Park,
asking
committees
indulgence
to
waive
the
wheel.
So
I
can
consider
this
item
today.
Is
that
carried?
Thank
you
very
much
and,
as
I
had
circulated
to
members
of
the
committee,
we
have
a
this
is
a
commemorative
Namie
or
some
of
the
commemorative
naming
process.
We
have
the
first
new
Park
in
Bay
warden
over
30
years
going
in
and
it
needed
a
name.
B
We
went
through
the
community
consultation
process
and
the
community
came
up
with
the
name,
inspiration
Park.
The
clerk's
department
went
through
the
process,
the
30-day
notification
process.
There
were
seven
people
who
indicated
support
zero
opposed
because
of
we
would
normally
just
flow
this
through
committee
and
then
to
council.
However,
the
park
construction
is
underway,
and
it's
due
to
open
in
August
and
for
this
to
flow
through
the
normal
committee,
then
Council
we
wouldn't
actually
get
the
name
and
the
sign
until
after
the
park
was
open.
B
So
we
thought
it
would
be
nice
to
have
the
name
in
the
sign
for
opening
day.
So
my
motion-
essentially
the
warehouses,
are
indicated
in
the
motion,
but
that
therefore
be
it
resolved
is
the
community
and
services
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee
recommend
that
council
formally
named
the
new
park
at
1397
Richmond
Road
inspiration,
Park.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
indulgence
in
that
I
appreciate
it
and
I
know,
members
of
the
community
will
appreciate
it
as
well.
We'll
have
you
all
out
for
the
opening,
barbecue
and
now
counselor
will
go
back,
is
with
respect
to
the
tow
truck
the
tow
truck
item.
Councillor
Calgary
has
a
motion
and
some
comments
as
well.
So
mr.
vice
chair,
if
you
will.
A
A
chair,
it's
the
province,
has
taken
a
lead
on
this,
apparently
in
terms
of
moving
this
item
through
their
system
in
terms
of
trying
to
regulate
and
identify
issues
with
the
tow
truck
industry,
which
I'm
happy
to
see
also
and
I'm,
also
happy
to
see
that
the
item
was
reflected
in
the
budget
that
just
got
approved
on
the
provincial
side.
Having
said
all
that,
mr.
Miller
mr.
A
To
help
move
this
endeavor
forward
with
a
view
to
implementation
as
soon
as
possible
and
three
city
staff,
try
can
keep
council
apprised
of
any
developments
and
or
barriers
in
this
regard
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
mr.
chair
I
think
that
sort
of
says
to
the
province
that
we
look
forward
to
working
with
them
and
look
forward
for
them
to
take
action
on
this
issue
because
to
some
of
my
residents
and
I'm
sure
in
the
city.
This
is
a
major
issue
and
I'd.
A
Once
again,
do
you
want
to
thank
Cristina
are
together
for
our
services
and
our
rest
of
our
city
staff,
for
helping
me
put
this
motion
together,
as
well
as
putting
the
report
together,
which
I
thought
was
an
excellent
report
covering
all
of
the
bases
that
I
was
concerned
with
the
initiative
when
I
brought
this
item
to
committee
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
B
Thank
you
very
much
councillor,
so
members
of
the
committee
and
I
would
remind
folks
in
the
audience
there
are
two
TV
screens
up
on
the
wall.
So
as
we
look
at
motions
that
are
in
front
of
us,
they
are
and
those
screens
there
for
you
to
see
them
as
well.
Members
of
the
committee
with
respect
to
Kinsler
copies
motion
is
it
carried
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
and
the
report
itself
received
see
received.
Thank
you.
Congratulations,
Kim,
so
Qadri
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
that.
So
back
to
you,
counselor,
Calgary,
crime,
prevention,
Ottawa.
B
A
Good
morning
mr.
chair
and
my
colleagues,
along
with
the
people
in
the
public
audience
this
morning,
mr.
chair
I'm,
here
to
introduce
the
work
of
crime
prevention,
Ottawa
that
has,
in
my
opinion,
a
minimum
staff,
but
that's
another
issue
that
we
will
deal
with
at
a
later
date.
Having
said
that,
we
do
I
do
want
to
express
my
thanks
to
our
small
staff
at
crime
prevention,
Ottawa
for
being
your
gonna,
be
organization
behind
the
organization.
In
terms
of
leading
this
item,
these
items
forward.
A
Merci
Monsieur
president
Perla
opportunity
to
present
a
Diwan,
sir
Madame.
Yes,
we
the
field
that
represented
president
prevention,
the
creme
Ottawa
major,
three
mafia
de
mon
francais.
The
presentation
today
is
Crime
Prevention
Ottawa's
annual
report
to
Council.
In
your
documents,
you
will
find
our
action
report,
our
gang
strategy
and
our
year's
analysis.
A
Those
three
should
be
in
front
of
you
as
well
as
they
are
available
on
the
city
website.
After
a
brief
overview
this
morning,
I
will
power
our
accomplishments
that
we've
done
in
the
last
year.
I
will
pass
the
floor
over
to
executive
director
Nancy
Ward
to
introduce
our
gang
strategy
going
forward
on
the
slides
that
are
four
slides
this
morning
and
basically
among
them
read
the
slide,
but
I
will
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
these
slides
on
the
first
one
accomplishments
and
public
engagement
for
crime
prevention,
Ottawa,
I,
think
Public.
A
Engagement
is
a
key
to
our
work
and
to
the
work
of
moving
forward
on
crime
prevention.
Engaging
the
public
is
in
priority
for
us
in
crime
prevention,
as
I
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
but
the
public
has
to
be
engaged
in
a
meaningful
manner
fashion
and
to
result
to
gain
gain
meaningful
results.
We
also
see
to
engage
the
public
in
advocacy
role
and
is
the
other
key
part
of
engaging
the
public
in
our
work.
A
One
of
those
accomplishments
is
our
on
items
called
violence
against
women.
This
is
a
gain.
A
very
important
component
of
CP
o
the
CP
is
work
going
forward.
Violence
against
women
is
an
important
social
issue
in
crime.
Prevention
seeks
to
keep
a
strong
focus
on
it.
We
have
a
priority
on
exploring
emerging
issues
in
our
community
to
ensure
that
we
are
a
leader
seeking
to
promote
safety
in
a
changing
world.
Our
recent
forum,
which
presented
research
and
led
a
community
discussion
on
sexual
violence
and
social
media,
is
an
example
of
that.
A
Violence
against
women
is
an
act
is
an
age-old
issue,
but
its
form
is
changing
as
the
world
changes,
and
it
is
important
to
have
that
discussion.
We
live
in
a
world
where
the
aftermath
of
a
gang
rape
is
being
called
cyberbullying.
This
is
not
a
benign
schoolyard
issue.
This
is
something
that
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
CP.
You
started
that
discussion
at
our
forum
last
month
and
we
plan
to
continue
to
explore
this
issue
going
forward
accomplishments
in
our
neighborhood
new.
Some
trace
at
this
face
denotes
authority
by
Darla
Casa
de
Ottawa.
A
A
On
youth
issues,
our
accomplishments,
the
rest
of
the
presentation
I'll
hand
over
like
I,
said
after
to
for
the
gang
strategy,
but
that
is
one
of
the
focus
of
our
work.
Going
forward
is
gang
strategy
that
we
worked
with
our
partners
in
this
community
to
help
develop
and
to
work
with
at
this
time.
It
is
my
pleasure
to
do
some
of.
A
F
F
You
may
recall
that
last
october,
in
partnership
with
the
ottawa
police,
Ottawa
Community
Housing
and
the
Youth
Services
Bureau,
we
hosted
two
events
to
explore
the
gang
issues
in
Ottawa.
Subsequent
to
that,
we
released
a
report
from
the
events
and
from
that
we've
built
a
strategy
for
the
next
three
years.
F
We've
attempted
to
create
a
holistic
approach
which
puts
the
youth
at
the
center
looks
at
the
various
influences
on
that
person's
life
seeks
to
address
issues
in
the
different
dimensions
of
neighborhood
cohesion,
prevention,
intervention
and
enforcement
and
suppression,
which
we
believe
are
keys
to
to
long-term
gain
prevention
for
our
city.
We've
also
attempted,
through
this
strategy,
to
reflect
the
values
which
were
reflected
in
the
events
of
last
October.
F
Action,
of
course,
is
the
most
important
thing,
but
first
a
reality
check.
We
are
in
an
environment
in
which
budgets
are
contracting
more
than
expanding
and
much
of
the
gang
issue
is
the
responsibility
of
senior
levels
of
government.
We've
tried
to
build
a
series
of
initiatives
which
are
within
existing
funding
so
that
we
are
able
to
realistically
approach
this
problem.
F
F
F
We
have
two
projects
on
neighborhood
cohesion.
First,
we
have
Leigh
Leigh
good
morning.
My
name
is
Leigh
Leigh
as
Danny
and
I'm
the
project
manager
for
the
Community
Leadership
Network
for
families,
project,
which
is
led
by
lassie
WorldSkills,
which
provides
employment
support
services
to
the
immigrant
community
in
Ottawa.
The
goal
of
the
project
is
to
increase
understanding
between
the
immigrant
community
and
the
justice
system
and
build
relationships
between
immigrant
service
agencies
and
mainstream
services.
F
The
objective
is
to
increase
understanding
of
the
Canadian
criminal
justice
system
within
the
immigrant
community,
through
training
workshops,
at-rich
activities
and
strategies
to
improve
communication
between
stakeholders.
The
project
will
focus
on
supporting
newcomer
families,
with
information
on
rights
and
responsibilities
within
the
system.
D
In
terms
of
developing
a
risk
assessment
tool
that
is
gang
specific
it,
a
lot
of
that
work
is
going
to
be
done
under
the
leadership
of
Staff,
Sergeant,
Andrew,
Buchan
and
Jessica
Ripley.
In
our
audience,
the
idea
is
to
develop
a
strategy,
a
risk
assessment
tool
that
is
common
and
understood
widely
across
the
city.
D
There
are
tools
that
organization
may
use,
and
another
may
use
that
may
or
may
not
have
similarities,
and
so
the
goal
is
to
develop
a
common
risk
assessment
tool
and
the
overall
objective
is
to
cut
off
the
supply
of
individuals
gravitating
towards
gangs.
So
we
turn
the
top
off
on
young
individuals
gravitating
towards
gangs,
and
so,
if
you
compare
that.
D
F
F
D
I'm
particularly
pleased
because
this
is
a
results,
oriented
approach,
so
we're
talking
about
his
training
in
making
our
staff
across
service
systems.
Aware
of
the
youth,
gearing
issues
very
pleased
to
report
that
we've
had
with
the
assistance
of
various
services,
particularly
mark
Patterson
who's
in
the
audience
today,
Ross
Hastings
from
the
University
of
Ottawa
and
member
from
the
University
on
WA
have
assisted
CPR
and
Youth
Services
Bureau
and.
F
D
D
D
Deadline
date
of
March
31st
to
bring
a
full
provincial
report
and
the
CPL
well
into
the
initiative
of
developing
the
outreach
and
information
gathering.
Looking
at
the
resources
working
at
the
gaps
of
service.
Looking
how
we
work
differently
with
young
people,
particularly
coming
out
of
our
custody
and
detention
facilities,
so
that
are
going
back
into
our
community.
Because
I
must
say.
D
Continues:
I
just
want
to
reiterate
from
the
leadership
of
this
group
and
the
interest
of
the
province
to
say
what
you're
doing
in
Ottawa
is
something
really
really
quite
significant.
We
really
would
like
to
talk
to
you
about
so
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
your
support
for
Cpl
to
allow
us
to
proceed
on
there.
F
We
set
out
to
develop
an
exit
strategy,
but
that
has
proven
to
be
challenging
in
this
current
financial
context.
So
we
are
committed
to
continuing
that
struggle
to
develop
better
exit
strategies
for
young
people
involved
in
games,
bringing
together
criminal
justice
and
education
stakeholders,
because
the
key
piece
of
exit
is
the
completion
of
high
school.
F
D
D
Prevention
and
suppression
efforts
which
go
hand
in
hand.
There
is
a
wide
collaboration
with
community
partners
with
justice,
partners
and
education
partners
in
terms
of
the
work
that
our
organization
does
and
guns
and
gangs
work
is
not
the
sole
job
of
the
guns
and
gangs
and
art
section.
It
is
an
organization-wide
effort.
So
all
members
of
our
organization
do
work
on
guns
and
gangs
and
will
continue
to
do
work
on
guns
and
gangs.
F
Okay,
sorry,
so
there
you
have
it.
That's
our
strategy,
we're
proud
of
what
we've
been
able
to
put
together
and
working
collaboratively
with
the
project
leads
and
other
key
partners,
some
of
whom
are
in
the
room
from
Children's
Aid.
Thank
you.
For
being
here
we
were
in
the
process
of
developing
the
final
project
plans
for
the
projects
that
are
just
getting
going.
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
chair
Kadri,
for
your
leadership
of
this
I
know
in
my
ward.
I
got
to
thank
Nancy
who,
and
her
team
came
out
recently
to
help
help
us
kind
of
strategize
a
little
bit
around
an
issue
that
we
were
facing,
but
we're
in
that
Pine
Crest,
Queensway,
catch
million,
I,
know
counselor.
Sure
Ellie
is
as
well
where
you
know
crime
went
down,
27
percent,
that's
not
a
statistical!
B
C
C
There
are
some
levels
Rome
on
that
scale:
energy
dance
approval,
so
voice
loud
on
Eden
is
not
Lenox.
Tocqueville
Eden
is
not
working
on
our
remarks.
It
is
fr
spinel,
the
clearly
forbid
war
with
the
rejection
discrimination
are
WA,
miss
Adam.
Our
clues
are
some
complex
Turner.
Just
peel
Assange
Kim
cle-cle
become
so
scholars,
Eric,
Lee
repack.
It
was
a
70
Percy
sleep
economics
of
her
monthly
I,
think
real
appellate
service
or
Mac.
C
As
soon
as
shroud
on
the
Phenom
player
down
sir,
take
a
sea-level
valid
Vinita
to
on
a
peridot
on
well
yeah
que
cosa
esta
human
on
camera.
Scp
come
over
fire.
We
Aleida,
don't
see
rebirth
waste
force.
A
sale
made
public
a
Connor,
Connor
V
peak
on
Assad
sadhana
Katzie
wanna.
Did
you
ever
see
the
resource.
F
F
Connie
is
the
data
doe
conceived,
Laplace
law
only
problem
the
please
agree:
don't
Scala
develop
a
poor
lagonda
hamdullah,
really
see
not
truth
for
the
nervous
energy.
Very
malice
in
intervation,
leash,
approve,
new
dog
scholars
see
over
is
ad
in
in
catchy
avec
that
sit
web
leader
source
presentation
does,
in
the
proven
community,
in
Sicily
in
terminal,
compare
of
real
pool
aground
majority
bikini
on
a
sea
to
show
the
focus
in
the
news
and
of
ASEAN
Japan
to
resolve
the
problem.
Disagree.
My.
C
Point
just
to
be
clear
is
not
to
say,
I,
think
crime
prevention
has
done
a
fabulous
job
with
the
resources
you
have
you've
stretched
the
dollar.
To
an
extent
of
you
know,
we've
seen
amazing
results
in
communities
where
you're
established
I
think
there
was
a
bit
of
a
worry
in
the
community
that,
where
we've
seen
gains
that
you
will
not
be
able
to
maintain
the
gains
because
we're
going
to
other
to
meet
other
communities.
That
and
I
know
it's
kind
of
its
kind
of
a
you
know
looking
at
ourselves,
but
recognising
that
you're
stretched.
C
At
the
same
time,
we
know
that
those
other
priority
neighborhoods,
but
it's
I,
think
it's
important
to
recognize
the
gains,
but
not
lose
those
gains
and
again,
I'll
repeat
what
I
said
before
the
value
of
your
organization
is
not
only
through
all
of
the
partnerships
you
establish,
but
the
amounts
of
volunteers
you
have
one
staff
I'll
send,
for
example,
that
we
see
a
lot
in
our
community
and
she
brings
you
know
50
volunteers,
so
the
ratio
of
paid
staff
to
volunteers
is
amazing.
So
please
keep
up
the
good
work.
C
Let
us
know
we
need
to
know
what
you
need
because,
as
the
officer
said
before,
if
we
don't
invest
in
something
in
a
program
like
this,
we
pay
at
the
other
end,
which
is
more
costly
to
us.
So
you
know
it's
not
only
about
crime
prevention,
it's
not
only
about
housing,
it's
not
only
about
employment.
It's
a
combination
of
all
these
things
that
will
continue
stabilize
and
improve
the
quality
of
life
of
each
neighborhood.
A
Thank
you
very
much
comfortably
a
comment,
and
you
know
I
can't
emphasize
the
resource
aspect
of
it,
this
being
a
very
important
key
piece
to
the
work
that
CPU
does.
But,
as
you
mentioned,
the
volunteers
in
the
community,
the
partnership
that
you
not
only
see
sitting
on
the
table
or
in
the
audience
behind
me
is
very
much
of
key
to
bringing
those
volunteers
to
the
forefront
and
identifying
them
and
making.
You
know
getting
some
results
out
of
that.
A
The
results
that
we've
already
gained
so
far,
but
maintaining
as
you
suggest,
that
that
trend
forward,
and
not
forgetting
but
who
are
successful
in
the
past
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
an
organization
going
forward
and
not
only
working
within
this
community.
But
you
know
with
the
help
of
khosla
tyranny
at
the
FCM
this
past
a
month
we
actually
introduced
our
the
you
know:
crime
prevention,
Ottawa
introduced
a
motion
of
their
that
FCM
past
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
the
crime
prevention
work
as
well
as
inspector
was
mentioning
about
that.
A
The
exit
strategy
that
is
also
part
of
this
puzzle
and
I
think
we
need
to
work
on
all
of
those
aspects.
But
having
said
all
that
there's
also
an
issue
with
resourcing
not
only
with
CP,
oh
but
also
in
the
community,
because
I
mean
if
the
community
does
not
see
games
like
they've
seen
so
far,
then
they
think
too.
You
know
slack
off
a
little
bit,
but
that's
where
the
importance
of
all
these
great
partners
that
we
have
sitting
around
the
table
to
keep
going
with
that
force
and
moving
forward.
D
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
say
yes
just
to
follow
up
on
what
shad
was
saying
you
have
seen.
We
do
have
a
community
community
safety
and
crime
prevention
which
I've
sat
on
on
the
board
member
of
FCM,
and
it
was
great
to
have
a
shad
and
Nancy
out
out
there
at
the
FC
AGM,
because
it
brought
up
a
lot
of
issues
that
we've
spoken
about.
We
actually
went
and
Nancy
really
was
a
leader
at
the
first
law
at
the
national
municipal
network
on
crime
prevention
that
was
held
in
Vancouver.
Thank
you
for
that.
That's.
D
And
we
look
at
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
today.
It's
not
like
before
it's
not
not
quite
as
simple.
Now
we
have
to
deal
with
the
Internet
policing
that
there's
a
lot
more
issues
than
it
was
back
in
the
day,
but
you
expect
to
do
more
with
less
resources,
so
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
what
you
did.
You
really
put
us
on
the
map
and
I'm
hoping
shad
will
continue
some
kind
of
roll
with
FCM
and
specifically
what
the
community
safety
crime
prevention
community.
D
D
A
Sorry
again
now,
coming
back
to
the
issue
of,
as
you
mentioned,
about
crime
prevention,
not
only
being
a
local
issue,
but
a
countrywide
issue
and
I
think
working
with
these
great
partners
and
a
great
organization
that
city
rata
was
created
with
crime
prevention,
Ottawa
I
think
you
will
see
that
going
forward.
Thank
you.
D
D
Perhaps
what
I
have
to
say
isn't
going
to
be
as
necessary
as
I
feared.
It
might
be
because
I'm
already
understand,
I'm
hearing
that
people
understand
the
value
of
of
prevention
and
of
crime
prevention,
but
I'll
say
it
in
as
brief
a
form
as
possible
anyway.
It
is
really
easy
and
tempting
to
think
of
prevention
prevention
on
any
issue,
whether
it's
pollution,
prevention
or
crime
prevention,
but
prevention,
as
that
soft
nice
thing
to
do
when
really
enforcement
is
where
all
of
our
efforts
should
go.
D
And
yet
we
hear
over
and
over
again
from
our
enforcement
professionals,
how
much
they
value
our
work
and
how
much
they
recognize.
The
importance
of
prevention
to
the
point
where
our
own
Police
Services
do
prevention
in
their
own
form
as
well,
but
I
know
how
close
Crime,
Prevention
Ottawa
was
to
being
funded
impossibly
shut
down
just
shortly
before
some
of
us
took
office,
and
that
could
only
have
happened
if
there
was
a
lack
of
understanding
of
the
value
of
prevention.
I
really
get
the
sense.
D
D
D
D
Another
outlet
for
their
energy
did
not
get
involved
in
a
gang
was
offered
support
for
mental
or
addiction
issues,
those
that,
if
we
want
to
look
at
it
purely
in
a
money
sense
which
we
never
should
do
those
phenomenal
savings,
there's
no
better
investment
but,
of
course,
far
more
important
than
the
money.
These
are
people.
These
are
lives
and
I.
Thank
all
of
you
who
do
way
more
work
than
I
ever
will,
as
that's
just
one
board
member
for
your
dedication
to
this
and
the
support
of
my
colleagues
here
at
this
committee.
Thank
you.
D
Feeling
that
in
the
communities
where
we
have
made
these
games
and
Vanier's
and
others
where
we
have
had
some
successes,
that,
should
we
find
ourselves
as
an
organization
necessary
to
pull
out
in
order
to
focus
on
another
community
that
we
would
be
leaving
something
behind
the
old
adage
of
teaching
someone
to
fish
rather
than
just
giving
them
something.
You
know
giving
them
fish
on
a
sense
of
that.
If
that's
happening.
F
F
One
of
our
neighborhoods
has
secured
United
Way
funding
for
three
years,
but
that's
going
to
end
another
secured
some
trillium
again,
that's
going
to
end
I.
Think
I
think
that
the
the
overall
issue
speaks
to
what
you
said
of
prevention
is
not
valued
in
our
society,
so
there
isn't
a
logical,
ongoing
funder
for
many
of
these
initiatives,
we've
tried
and
we
will
continue
to
try.
F
D
D
A
I
can
make
a
comment
to
a
Constitution
granted
to
committee.
Your
comments
are:
come
slow
about
the
fact
that
the
funding
a
couple
of
years
back
I
think
it's
AB
due
to
the
leadership
that
Mayor
Watson
showed
on
this
file
to
say
no,
we
are
committed
to
convention
and
I
think
how
long,
along
with
his
leadership,
we
also
have
on
the
board
people
like
a
Steve
Kenna
lacus
that
sit
on
our
board
as
well
as
chief
Gorden
law.
B
B
F
Very
much
mr.
chair,
well
I,
remember
when
we
set
up
crime
prevention
council
in
Ottawa
what
a
struggle
it
was
to
convince
council
that
the
city
had
a
role
to
play
in
crime
prevention,
that
it
wasn't
only
a
police
matter.
So
it's
wonderful
to
see
how
much
the
crime
prevention
council
has
grown,
how
much
you're
now
known
in
the
city
and
congratulations
on
the
work
you
do
and
the
partnerships
you
create,
but
it
is
a
matter
of
funding.
It
gets
back
to
a
matter
of
generally.
F
If
you
want
to
move
into
more
areas
of
the
city
where
you're
needed
that
it
is
a
matter
of
increasing
the
funding,
so
you
don't
have
to
drop
communities
in
order
to
pick
up
new
communities.
So
it's
true
in
citywide,
it's
true
in
the
health,
the
crisis,
hospitals
get
all
the
money
and
Public
Health
gets
very
little.
It's
true
and
policing
enforcement
gets
all
the
money,
and
prevention
gets
very
little.
F
So
we
do
have
to
convince
our
residents
how
important
and
how
inexpensive
and
beneficial
of
prevention
arms
are
and
continue
with
that
education
of
ourselves,
as
well
as
all
the
funding
agencies,
the
other
levels
of
government
and
the
residents
that
this
is
the
efficient
inexpensive
model
that
we
should
be
following.
So
just
congratulations
to
everybody
on
the
work
you're
doing.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
else,
no
members
of
the
committee
may
we
receive
this
report
received.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Chair
cadre
will
now
move
on
to
item
number
8
special
events
on
public
and
private
property
bylaw.
This
is
the
second
pacifist
and
mr.
Shen
yeh
has
a
presentation
for
us,
after
which
we'll
take
any
questions
of
staff
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
public
delegations.
Mr.
Shen
yeh
the
floor
is
yours.
Once
the
crowd
is
cleared
here,.
E
The
superseded
outlook
I
said
we
have
a
polygamist
out
and
we
propose
Thank
You
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
for
receiving
our
presentation
today,
let's
speak
to
you
about
a
new
special
events
on
public
and
private
property
by
law
that
we're
proposing
with
me
is
Dolores
macadam.
That
many
of
you
will
know
is
the
manager
of
our
special
events
unit
and
the
real
content
expert
on
special
events.
I'd.
Also
like
the
signature
where
you
present
the
you
and
affect
many
of
the
members
of
our
seat
team.
E
Both
internal
partners
and
external
partners
are
here
today
in
support
of
the
bylaw.
This
group
was
critical
in
putting
together
the
recommendations
that
are
before
you
and
the
content
of
this
bylaw
I
also
want
to
mention
to
you
that
we've
had
some
extensive
public
consultation
on
this
bylaw.
The
draft
bylaw
that
first
came
forward.
Last
February
had
already
received
some
consultation,
and
since
that
time
we
held
another
public
meeting
in
May
that
invited
stakeholders,
but
anyone
else
who
was
genuinely
interested.
We've
also
done
some
targeted
discussions
with
groups
like
the
bi
ways.
E
The
universities,
the
local
school
boards
as
well
I
want
a
signal
that
this
is
the
first
by
law
and
reports
of
the
significance
that
we
have
consulted
with
our
newly
minted
heritage
and
Recreation.
Advisory
Committee
and
they've
been
very
helpful
in
both
reviewing
the
bylaws
sharing
it
amongst
the
members
and
coming
back
with
some
feedback
to
us
and
they
do
support
the
bylaw
as
well.
E
Taking
the
tools
that
we've
developed
and
refined
under
Dolores's
leadership,
to
bring
that
into
a
comprehensive
bylaw
folks
will
often
be
surprised
that,
even
though
we've
refined
the
way
that
we
work
with
special
events
across
the
community,
that,
in
fact,
participation
in
the
process
and
compliance
with
the
recommendations
is
often
voluntary
and
not
mandatory.
Our
position
and
what
we're
recommending
to
to
committee
and
council
is
that
we've
reached
a
point
with
large
events
that
there
really
are,
for
public
safety
reasons
for
good
planning
and
coordination
for
fairness
and
transparency
for
the
groups.
E
That
organize
events
that
it's
time
to
put
this
into
a
by
lab
that
for
large
events
and
places.
Eco
appalled,
the
girls
event
appears
to
say,
stop
as
soon
for
events
larger
than
500
at
one
time
in
attendance
that
it
really
is
time
to
look
at
making
requirements
of
our
special
events.
Review
and
their
expertise.
Mandatory
also
meant
to
fly
to
you,
the
that
in
2009
council
harder
about
for
the
notion
asking
us
to
look
at
ways
to
mitigate
situations
where
groups
would
organize
large
events
that
had.
E
At
the
same
time
as
well,
you
may
remember
that
the
auditor-general
looked
at
a
special
event
that
had
several
issues
in
the
past
and
made
some
recommendations
for
specific
recommendations
that
are
addressed
in
this
bar,
both
in
terms
of
requirement
for
groups
to
submit
information
to
the
city
before
and
after
the
event,
and
in
terms
of
ability
to
recover
costs.
When
events
caused
the
city
or
other
people
additional
costs.
Because
of
the
things
that
they
do.
E
We
are
taking
some
leading
edge
approach
to
event
management
and
incorporating
it
into
a
framework
that
everyone
can
appreciate
and
understand
in
terms
of
fairness
to
operators.
The
lawyers
times
me
that,
often
even
for
the
groups
that
come
to
seat
now
and
participate,
there
is
the
absence
at
the
end
of
the
process
of
it
and
essentially
an
event
license.
They
may
end
up
with
a
liquor,
license
a
license
for
fireworks,
a
license
for
a
variety
of
things,
but
there
was
no
overall
special
events
license
that
tells
them
I've
done
all
the
steps.
E
While
I
focus
on
outdoor
events
well,
when
we
looked
at
this,
we
came
to
understand
that
further
Mars,
most
part,
large
events
that
are
held
in
indoor
spaces
are
usually
held
in
buildings
and
at
sites
that
were
planned
for
those
things.
So,
if
you
think
of
the
earth
center,
you
think
of
the
Canadian
Tire
Center
places
like
that
Building
Code
fire
code
parking
plans,
access
routes.
E
Most
of
those
things
are
addressed
when
you
think
of
a
large
outdoor
property
that
was
not
designed
for,
and
that
could
be
a
part
that
could
be
a
rural
property
in
private
hands.
It
could
be
just
about
any
site
when
you
think
of
bringing
500
people
or
more
to
that
kind
of
a
site,
and
none
of
the
measures
that
you
would
find
in
an
indoor
space
have
not
been
address.
E
E
So
the
the
key
piece
here
is
that
we
are
talking
about
large
outdoor
events
and
the
500
number
that
we're
recommending
to
you
is
based
on
some
research.
First
of
all,
we
heard
previously
that
the
300
number
that
we
recommended
was
too
low
and
that
it
could
potentially
capture
large
family
events,
things
like
weddings,
community
events,
festivals,
neighborhood
parties
that
could
grow
to
two
or
three
hundred
people.
E
So
we
went
back
at
this
and
we're
proposing
500
as
a
number
that
is
for
most
events
beyond
beyond
the
attendance
at
one
time.
At
those
events,
we
also
consulted
with
the
people
that
make
it
their
business
to
look
at
risk
and
these
kinds
of
things,
and
so
we
talked
to
our
group
liability
insurance
providers.
E
This
is
the
provider
that
that
insures
most
of
our
community
associations
and
there's
a
very
at
500
for
them,
and
they
will
provide
a
chart
of
what
they
need
from
groups
from
zero
really
up
to
500.
Once
you
get
to
500,
that's
the
cutoff
member
to
come
in
and
talk
to
the
insurance
folks
about
your
event
and
what
you're
doing
and
a
clear
indication
that
you
reached
a
number
that
is
of
a
magnitude
that
really
deserves
special
attention
and
consideration.
E
So
that
is
the
number
that
this
bylaw
recommends
and
it
does
provide
for
certain
exemptions
to
to
the
tooter
by
realizing
that
they're,
currently
outdoor
events
that
happen
in
the
city,
where
the
kind
of
planning,
the
kind
of
application
of
bylaws
and
and
Building
Code
and
all
those
other
requirements
have
been
applied,
most
notably
Stadium
events.
We
have
a
few
stadiums
in
the
city
that
can
better
accommodate
well
in
excess
of
500.
And
what
we're
saying
is
we
don't
want
to
talk
to
the
red
line
for
every
game?
E
Similarly,
with
the
Ottawa
Stadium,
similarly
with
school
boards
that
often
have
activities
outdoors
in
excess
of
500
that
it's
part
of
their
regular
activity
and
the
things
that
they
do,
they
are
generally
planned
in
ahead
of
time
and
the
site
has
been
prepared
for
those
activities.
So
there
are
specific
examples
there
of
exceptions
to
the
bylaw
that
accommodate
the.
E
E
It's
the
reason
we
have
the
recommendation
inverses
in
2005,
when
council
created
the
central
events
office,
they
didn't
about
the
process
that
they
would
follow
and
who
would
be
involved.
We
have
before
you
today,
because
it
is
a
critical
part
of
the
bylaws
implementation
is,
is
the
review
through
the
seat
process.
E
B
G
D
F
G
E
E
We
would
not
continue
to
assist
because
the
primary
date
for
for
these
events,
office
and
the
sequel
is
to
work
with
community
groups
and
provide
advice
and
help
and
organizing
events
and
avoiding
issues.
So
in
a
helping
capacity,
we
will
continue.
We
realize
that,
on
the
same
day,
there
are
several
events
across
the
city
and
that
some
coordination,
both
in
terms
of
barricades
and
police
assistance
and
those
kinds
of
things,
is
necessary,
but
most
of
them
would
not
fall
under
the.
E
G
That's
that's
sort
of
my
point.
If
you
look
at
the
Nepean
event,
it's
always
over
500
people
and
it
always
spontaneously
closes
down
the
road
and
each
of
the
separate
regulators,
whether
they
be
police
fire
department
which,
whichever
they
are
half
the
organizers,
have
to
deal
with
them
and
they
managed
to
do
it
successfully
without
having
to
go
through
90
days
of
red
tape
at
the
city.
So
if
we're
saying
only
exempting
them
because
we
just
want
to
exempt
them,
that's
not
very
logical.
In.
F
G
Onto
next
question,
you
talked
about
the
the
90-day
requirement.
If
you
have
a
tent,
that's
bigger
than
eight
meters
by
eight
meters.
I
know
I've
been
to
and
involved
with
a
number
of
different
events
where
a
tent
is
employed
and
in
almost
all
cases
the
tent
is
ordered
within
two
days
because
they
discover
it's
going
to
rain
people.
Don't
order
a
tent
90
days
ahead
of
time
that
size
and
I
can
you
know
the
Bob
Mitchell
Park
naming
two
days
before
we
had
a
tent
and
it's
certainly
bigger
than
eight
meters
by
eight
meters.
E
G
Good
morning
my
name
is
dr.
Ellen
with
building
code
services
branch,
interesting
question,
because
yeah
I
I
do
I,
do
a
number
of
the
building
permit
applications
on
behalf
of
the
city
we
have
in
building
code
services
branch
have
streamlined
the
process
in
regards
to
what
what
tents
actually
require
building
permits
to
alleviate
a
lot
of
the
smaller
tents
for
some
of
the
smaller
event
festivals.
G
C
G
Have
to
say
that's
an
anomaly
that,
as
far
as
it
goes
in
terms
of
consistency
with
building
code
services,
branch
and
with
the
bylaw
states,
and
now
that,
actually
you
know
that's
a
really
good
point,
because
this
is
the
main
point
I'm
driving
at.
We
have
people
set
up
to
regulate
certain
aspects
of
this
and
then
we're
gonna
create
a
bylaw
that
purports
to
intervene
there
and
make
new
rules,
and
if
we
bring
in
a
60
square
meter,
then
why
would
we
be
doing
that?
G
And-
and
my
next
question
dealing
just
with
tents
is:
does
this
mean
when
a
group
is
about
asking
to
put
up
a
tent
and
they
have
two
or
three
days
notice,
because
it's
gonna
pour
that
they
can't
do
the
events
anymore,
because
I
know?
What
normally
would
happen
is
there's
this
big
rush
to
get
an
engineer
to
do
a
check
on
the
tent
and
I'm
presuming
they
deal
with
you
and
backwards
to
help
them
out.
But
you
know
as
much
as
you
don't
want
that
to
happen.
G
That
is
what
happens,
and
does
this
mean
the
event
will
have
to
to
stop
well
as
far
as
it
goes
it
would,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
a
precarious
situation
regards
to
obtaining
a
building
permit,
but
you
guys
have
done
that
before
you've
like
been
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
helping
people
I
know
that
it's
yeah
well
I
haven't
myself,
but
it
does.
It
does
come
down
to
sometimes
a
fine
timeline
like,
for
instance,
yesterday
there
was
a
tent
that
was
applied
for
for
this
weekend.
That
does
require
a
building
permit.
G
E
Chair
I'd
suggest
we
take
this
one
away
and
work
with
the
chief
building
officials
to
clarify
this
and
make
sure
that
is
a
clear
picture
of
what
the
intent
of
this
piece
is
and
how
it
relates
to
their
requirements
and
if
90
days
is
excessive,
we
will
address
that
if
the
size
is
wrong,
we'll
address
that
as
well
and
provide
some
clarity
to
the
councillors.
Questions.
G
Okay,
we
have,
if
somebody
decides
they're
gonna
have
a
let's
say
there:
they
are
anticipating
500
people
and
really
half
the
time.
Nobody
really
knows
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
there,
but
let's
say
they're,
anticipating
500
people,
so
they
fall
within
the
catchment
and
then
they,
the
applicants
have
to
deal
directly
with
the
regulator
on
alcohol
and
then
they
either
get
or
do
not
get
the
permit
and
then
they're
subject
to
enforcement
by
the
regulator
on
alcohol.
G
Why
would
we
put
our
superimpose
ourselves
on
to
that,
because
I
read
in
the
report
that
doing
this
will
reduce
our
liability?
That's
certainly
nothing
I
ever
learned
in
law,
school
I!
Think
if
you
superimpose
yourself
over
someone
else's
jurisdiction
and
authority,
you,
if
anything,
you
assume
liability.
So
how
are
we
reducing
liability
by
purporting
to
act
as
the
guarantor
on
whether
an
alcohol
permits
been
issued.
F
F
G
On
fireworks
and
have
some
experience
with
this,
where
you
get
the
fireworks
regulator,
experts
in
what's
safe,
what
isn't
how
they
have
to
be
positioned?
They
make
a
recommendation.
It
goes
to
a
member
of
the
C
committee,
who
is
not
in
any
way
qualified
on
fireworks.
Who
then
thinks
there
should
be
a
different
decision?
How
do
we
in
any
way
suggest
we're
reducing
liability
when
we
take
somebody
who
has
no
qualification
in
it
and
give
them
the
authority
to
deem
the
judgement
of
the
fire
marshal
of
the.
G
F
D
Is
sent
to
fire
official
who
is
licensed
in
issuing
permits
for
fireworks?
Someone
wants
to
go
into
a
store
and
buy
fireworks.
They
don't
require
a
permit
for
that.
If
they,
the
large
amount
of
fireworks
that
isn't
able
to
be
bought
in
a
store,
you
do
require
a
fire
permit,
and
that
comes
to
a
fire.
Official
licensee
committee
and
I'm
sure
that
I
follow
up
with
my
coworker
did
ensure
that
that
permit
has
been.
G
Ok,
I'll
give
you
an
example
from
a
couple
of
years
ago,
actually
or
three
or
four
years
ago.
In
an
event,
I
was
associated
with.
We
had
an
application
to
launch
fireworks
around
Center
Point
and
the
fire
regulator.
Fire
or
fireworks
regulator
said
you
should
launch
them
off
the
roof
at
Franklin
place,
and
then
we
get
to
the
point
we're
about
to
do
that
and
people
from
whether
it
was
seat
or
the
building
said.
G
D
D
E
That
specific
issue,
because
the
councilor
raised
that
with
me
and
the
issue
here-
is
that
fire
does
approve
the
permit.
In
this
case
it
was
an
individual
with
the
property
services
group
that
oversees
the
building
that
was
involved.
That
said,
no,
not
off
the
roof,
it's
not
safe.
It
wasn't
actually
a
seat
seat
number.
So
what
you
have
is
the
situation
where
one
staff
person
may
they
made
a
decision
or
recommendation
that
they
didn't
have
the
authority
to
do
so.
E
It's
an
individual,
it's
an
individual
case
when
fire
approves
a
permit
for
fireworks
from
a
certain
location
under
certain
conditions.
That's
the
approval.
That's
required,
see,
as
a
committee
does
not
overturn.
That
does
not
question
that
CHS
receives
when
there's
weather
say
a
large
event
receives
that
as
part
of
the
overall
file
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
all
of
the
things
required
for
that
person
to
hold
the
event
are
checked
off.
So
in
this
case
we
had
a
mistake
at
one
individual
staff,
member
who.
E
G
B
Thank
you
very
much
councillor,
and
just
just
so
that
I
can
maybe
help
shape
the
debate
a
little
bit.
The
most
event,
organizers
that
I've
ever
dealt
with,
want
the
event
to
go
well
and
they
wanted
to
go
well
for
the
folks
who
are
coming
to
the
event
and
they
want
it
to
go
well,
for
you
know
the
community
that
they're
placing
there
that
in
they
don't
want
to
have
trouble
or
friction
with
the
neighbors,
whether
the
neighbors
are
residents
or
businesses
or
what-have-you.
B
So
the
intent
of
this,
this
piece
of
legislation
is
to
try
to
formalize
the
process
with
which
you
know
large-scale
events
can
cohabitate
nicely
with
you
know
with
the
community
that
surrounds
it,
and
there
is
a
scalability
to
this
and
I
think
I
think.
Can
mr.
Shanley
mentioned
that
Miss
McAdam
did
as
well.
You
know
tipping
the
scales
from
500
people.
B
There
has
to
be
some
flexibility,
I
know
we're
kind
of
getting
into
the
weeds
about
the
tent
sizes,
and
this
type
of
thing
and-
and
you
know
I
put
on
my
share
of
events
there's
you
know
you
promised
the
tent
that's
six
by
six
and
then
you
get
to
the
place
and
they're
out
of
six
by
six
they're
going
to
give
you
eight,
you
know,
read
a
pee,
but
you
know
so.
The
purpose
of
this
thing
is
not
to
is
not
to
trigger
the
giant
wheels
of
bureaucracy
to
kick
into
gear.
B
To
prohibit
you
from
doing
the
event,
it's
the
exact
opposite
to
try
and
give
you
a
single
point
of
contact
as
the
organizer,
so
that
you
know
that
if
you
have
a
problem
with
a
person
on
site
that
says,
don't
use,
I,
don't
think
you're
allowed
to
do
that.
You've
got
one
person
assigned
to
you
by
seat
that
you
can
go
to
and
say:
I've
got
a
problem
on
event
day.
City
help
me
it's
a
bit
of
a
concierge
model
where
you've
got
one
single
point
of
contact.
B
So
that's
the
goal
and
and
if
we've
you
know,
if
there's
pieces
in
here
that
don't
necessarily
fit
that
sure
we
can
tease
them
out
a
little
bit.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
events
are
fuzzy
by
their
very
nature
and
it's
difficult
to
have
set
in
stone
legislation
for
fuzzy
events.
However,
there
is
a
need
and
that's
clear
and
in
a
city
full
of
festivals
and
fairs
and
large
community
events.
It's
clear
that
this
need
is
emerging
more
and
more.
B
B
C
E
C
My
understanding
is
that
the
issue
on
private
property
and
that's
kind
of
a
the
range
of
the
500
or
whatever
that
might
be,
is
that
in
the
past
there
was
events
that
were
held
that
became
bigger
than
we
thought,
and
you
know
issues
related
to
paramedics
related
to
garbage
related
to
transportation,
kind
of
fired
up
and
instead
of
us
being
proactive
with
the
with
the
manager,
the
promoter,
this
the
entire
process,
became
very
reactive.
We
had
to
emergent,
you
know,
emergency
services
get
onto
the
site,
and
so
on.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
C
C
That's
my
experience
with
the
group's
so
far,
my
my
understanding
is
that
we're
not
trying
you
know
we
got
into
the
very
specific
nature
of
you,
know
an
issue
but
I.
Think,
generally
speaking,
the
idea
here
is
to
say
we're
here
to
help
to
offer
our
services
to
your
event.
We're
not
here
to
put
a
barrier,
but
we
had
to
say
just
have
you
thought
of
these
things?
Have
you
thought?
What
do
you
do
for
this?
We
want.
We
want
to
be
a
fun
city.
We
want
to
be
a
city
that
hosts
event.
C
C
You
know
stories
from
the
previous
year,
but
that
if
the
Legion
holds
something
year
after
year
that
we
are
also
understanding
of
that
and
I
think
you
know
from
what
I've
heard
from
you
that
that
is
the
case,
so
I'm,
quite
supportive
I
think
we
are
able
to
better
understand
the
risk
and
be
prepared.
That's
all
that
our
community
and
our
city
would
ask.
Is
that
let's
be
ready
if
ever
there
was
an
incident
and
not
be
reactive
to
to
these
situations?
Thank
you.
F
Mr.
chair,
so
having
many
very
large
events
in
my
ward,
the
complaints
I
get
from
time
to
time
are
about
road
closures,
so
in
the
Golden
Triangle,
if
you
close,
the
driveway
and
algún
Street
and
people
can't
get
out
and
they
have
no
notification,
certainly
I
get
lots
of
phone
calls.
So
could
you
tell
me
what
the
notification
is
prescribed
when
a
road
is
closed?.
E
F
D
But
that
is
the
clauses
supposed
to
be.
There
are
major
once
we
do
try
to
get
out
as
much
as
possible
as
part
of
the
whole
seat
process.
The
new
calendar
that's
coming
forward
with
the
C
process.
Everything
else
there's
going
to
be
more
notification,
giving
out
other
via
other
methods,
sort
of
like
the
web
page,
the
the
C
calendar
or
the
special
event
calendar
to
get
more
notification
out
to
the
general
public.
All
the
way
through
using
our
Twitter
accounts,
everything
else
to
say,
there's
going
to
be
traffic
impacts,
so.
B
D
You
very
much
mr.
chair
I
want
to
thanks
for
the
process
it's
very
complicated
to
get
from
the
beginning
of
a
net
new
event
that
you
in
the
hall
to
the
end.
It's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
checks
and
balances,
tremendous
costs
and
things
like
stages,
for
example,
to
be
able
to
make
sure
we
meet
certain
requirements
and
very
happy
about
that.
D
More
about
these.
These
fairs
that
tend
to
pop
up
in
commercial
parking
lots
with
this
bylaw
apply
to
them
as
well,
because
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
consuming
over
some
of
those
rides,
and
some
of
the
events
have
happened
in
those
pop-up
ones.
That
typically
aren't
part
of
counsel's
office
is
to
just
show
up
in
parking
lots,
and
this
bylaw
apply
to
them
as
well.
D
D
E
A
E
A
You
for
that
mr.
Jenny
and
I
to
support
the
C
program
going
forward
and
I
think
the
seat.
Although
you
know
everybody
may
have
challenges
with
it
in
the
past
or
in
the
future,
possibly
but
I
think
the
organization
is
well
situated
where
they
can
resolve
those
issues
through
discussion
at
the
table
with
the
other
event,
organizers
and
I.
Think
it's
not
a
regulation
that
we're
looking
at
I
think
it's
more
of
a
help
to
the
community
associations
and
other
organization
to
help
them
organize
their
events
better
and
take
some
of
their.
A
You
know
if
you
wanna
call
it
liability
issues,
put
them
into
consideration
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
seat,
what
the
seat
does
and
I
think
that's
a
benefit
to
the
Community
Association
to
say:
look
the
city's,
helping
us
organize
these
events
and
they've
looked
at
the
event
from
many
angles.
Many
more
angles
than
I
would
have
done
as
an
organizer
of
particular
event.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr.
chair.
A
B
You
and
and
I
you
know,
I
have
the
distinction,
I
guess
of
being
the
councillor
for
the
jurisdiction
that
the
Auditor
General
looked
into.
One
of
these
events
for
now
is
prior
to
my
time,
but
I
actually
remember
being
a
candidate
for
office
at
that
particular
festival
and
I
was
you
know
going
through
and
chatting
with
folks
when
there
were
quite
a
few
community
members
concerned
about
some
of
the
things
that
were
going
on
there
and
there
didn't
seem
to
be
a
mechanism
in
place
to
you
know
to
reach
out
on
holiday
on
a
weekend.
B
You
know
when,
typically
you
know,
you
get
three
one
one
service,
but
that's
what
you
get
unless
there's
a
life-threatening
emergency
which
there
wasn't,
but
it
was
clearly
some
things
going,
a
Miss.
So
without
a
single
point
of
contact
without
you
know
a
properly
organized
seat
operation,
which
I
think
is
what
the
auditor-general
you
know
basically
came
back
and
told
us,
you
know
you
could
have
a
repeat
of
this,
and
you
know
I
mean
it's
a
matter
of
public
record.
There
was
oil
leaking
from
vehicles
onto
onto
a
parkland.
B
G
F
Mr.
chair,
yes,
we
did
meet
with
Algonquin,
we
met
with
all
the
colleges
and
universities
who
actually
welcomed
what
we're
doing,
because
for
them
it's
putting
a
structure
in
place
in
terms
of
them
planning
for
the
students
who
community.
As
you
say
this
to
me,
you
know
that
they
start
early
September.
We
would
certainly
work
with
them,
and
the
bylaw
does
allow
for
flexibility
in
terms
of
the
69
years,
2:19
time
on
your
day,
knock
timelines.
So
there
is
flexibility
there.
G
F
G
Should
someone
who's
running
like
Algonquin
running
there
every
second
week
of
every
school
you
they
have
some
sort
of
major
concert
outside.
Why
should
they
have
to
begin
and
fill
out
the
entire
application
that
you
guys
have
when
90%
of
the
information
will
be
the
same?
Is
there
not
some
sort
of
mechanism
that
can
recognize
recurring
and
similar.
G
F
F
G
As
much
as
other
members
have
talked
about
the
reassurance
on
this
I've
when
I've
dealt
with
groups
who
who
are
trying
to
run
their
events,
I've
seen
events
not
happen
because
they
just
take
one
look
at
the
application,
they
say
forget
it
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
fill
out
all
of
that
stuff
and
be
able
to
meet
all
these
timelines.
So
what
point
of
contact
can
you
have
early
on
that?
You
don't
cause
simple
malaise.
You
know
this.
This
year
we
have
the
great
Centrepointe
garage
sale.
G
F
Certainly,
we
would
work
with
the
event
organizer.
The
application
is
an
application
for
sure,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
application
speaks
to
all
the
potential
city
services
required.
In
the
event,
the
application
also
serves
as
an
education
tool
for
the
organizers
and
that
there's
some
things
they
may
not
have
thought
of
so,
for
example,
in
noise
exemptions.
So
it's
called
out
in
the
application.
It's
it's
a
tool
as
well
for
the
organizer,
but
certainly
work
with
organizers.
E
G
The
other
parts
of
the
application,
obviously
that
I
find
problematic
or
where
we
we
try
to
ensure
that
people
have
their
apt
and
their
permits
from
other
governments
and
as
a
taxpayer,
I
already
pay
those
other
governments
to
issue
those
permits
and
to
enforce
them
and
to
demand
compliance.
So
I
wonder
why
I
now
have
to
pay
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
ensure
that
people
have
met
their
requirements
with
the
other
level
of
government.
F
B
B
You
know,
bureaucracy
that
supports
their
student
government,
so
I
would
expect
in
many
cases
that
until
that
student
government
got
up
to
speed,
I
know
the
bureaucracy
is
there
to
support
them.
So
there's
a
justice
when
we
just
as
well.
Just
as
when
we
took
office,
you
know
we
didn't
have
necessarily
a
whole
lot
of
input
on
our
initial
ceremonies.
They
were
all
kind
of
laid
out
for
us
until
we
got
onto
the
ground
I'm,
pretty
confident
that
the
colleges
would
do
that
as
well.
B
A
Thank
you
good
morning,
mr.
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
try
to
keep
this
brief,
because
I
think
we've
already
heard
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
information
now
I
want
to
pass
on
this
morning.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
committee
we
service.
My
name
is
Marc
Benson
on
the
sergeant
with
the
auto
police
service
and
I
have
for
the
past
three
years
been
assigned
to
the
special
events.
Section
also
serve
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Gloucester
for
the
past
30
years.
A
Into
this
proposed
bylaw
by
the
events,
central
staff,
the
other
city
departments
and
the
various
stakeholders
who
all
contributed
to
the
proposed
proposed
bylaw
that
we're
here
to
discuss
this
morning
and
all
my
years
of
policing
I,
wouldn't
stand
change
in
the
special
event
world.
In
fact,
things
have
changed
in
just
the
past
three
years,
while
I've
been
dealing
with
the
special
events,
we
have
many
more
events.
These
days
they
become
larger,
more
complicated
and
many
of
them
are
still
evolving.
A
We
do
have
some
spectacular
events
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
I.
Don't
think
a
weekend
goes
by
that
we
don't
have
an
event
going
on
of
some
sort.
These
events
bring
many
visitors
to
our
city
and
also
impact
the,
as
we
heard
the
reputation
and
the
image
of
the
city.
I
should
also
mention
that,
of
course,
some
IDs
have
attended
many
courses,
seminars,
conferences,
just
dealing
with
special
events
and
I,
can
honestly
say
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
events,
central
in
particular,
are
leaders
in
the
world
special
events.
A
A
Set
up
to
be
a
one-stop
shop
for
various
events
that
brings
together
the
various
all
the
city,
services
and
other
stakeholders
in
the
formula.
C
committee
and
I
can't
stress
enough
with
the
organizers
from
a
major
festival
or
a
small
community,
and
we
want
to
ensure
the
success
of
their
events.
The
event
organizers
themselves,
a
diverse
group
as
diverse
as
the
the
events
that
they're
planning
we've
had
organizers
that
plan
major
events
for
year
after
year
after
year.
A
Organised
for
me,
the
recommendations
say
I
have
made
in
regards
to
public
safety,
and
this
can
and
has
become
a
problem
in
in
events
in
the
past.
One
example
I
can
use
is
a
music
festival.
It
was
put
together
kind
of
at
the
last
minute.
They
came
to
see
committee
and
made
recommendations
as
to
public
safety
in
the
fact
that
there
should
be
paid
duty
officers
present.
My
colleagues
with
the
paramedics
had
also
recommended
paramedics
be
present.
These
recommendations
were
rejected
and,
unfortunately,
there
was
an
incident
at
the
the
event
had
to
be
shut
down.
A
Sends
a
mixed
message
to
organizers:
it's
hardly
fair
for
an
event
to
follow
our
recommendations
and
have
to
pay
for
the
policing
services,
for
instance,
when
the
next
event
decides.
He
doesn't
want
to
take
the
recommendations
and
in
effect,
when
something
happens,
he
gets
a
policing
services
for
free.
So,
unfortunately,
this
day
and
age
of
their
budget
pressures,
the
police
are
unable
to
supply
free
policing
services.
For
all
these
events
and
that's
why
we've
gone
to
a
paid
Duty
system
so
just
and
we
try
to
treat
all
events
fairly
and
treat
them
the
same.
A
Some
of
these
event
organizers,
responsible
and
ensure
that
the
proper
measures
are
put
in
place
prior
to
the
event
taking
place,
so
we
don't
have
to
react
later.
So
the
other
piece
fully
supports
this
proposed.
Bylaw
and
I
know.
There's
been
some
debate
in
the
past
over
the
definition
of
a
special
event.
We
went
from
number
300
up
to
500,
for
the
would
kick
in
I
just
support.
The
original
number
of
300
I
still
would
like
to
see
that.
However,
having
said
that,
I
do
support
the
number
500
we
have
gone
back.
A
I've
tried
to
go
back
in
previous
events
and
see
if
there
anything
that
is
fallen
off
between
those
two
numbers
and
at
this
point
in
time,
I
have
been
able
to
find
any
events
that
would
have
fallen
it
within
that
range
between
the
300
and
500.
So
what
I
would
like
propose
that
if
it's
passed
at
500,
we
wanna
do
that
for
next
few
years,
and
if
it
does
become
an
issue,
then
maybe
we
can
address
it
at
that
point.
With
an
amendment.
B
A
B
You
thank
you
very
much.
Members
of
the
committee
are
the
questions
you
know.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
hope.
I
just
didn't
know
myself
a
speeding
ticket
there,
all
right,
Darryl
Cox
from
Ottawa
tourism,
nope
right,
Klaus,
spouts,
New,
Romantic,
Village,
Community
Association,
mr.
Baumer,
no
stranger
to
committee.
If
you
want
to
come
on
down.
D
D
D
The
approve
event
and
the
bow
is
presented
with
to
oblige
that
14-day
window,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
the
the
rules
of
the
bylaw.
So
if
the
event
organiser
gets
the
letter
days
after
after
submission
of
the
30
days,
that
means
10
days
and
you
need
14
days
in
advance
to
pay
there's
a
problem.
So
there
may
be
some.
Some
small
adjustments
are
needed
in
the
bylaw.
D
The
second
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
relationship
between
the
special
events
by
law
for
road
closures
and
this
particular
special
events
by
law
for
private
and
public
property
of
500
or
more.
What
is
that
relationship?
If
you
have
a
permit
under
one
of
the
bylaws?
You
need
the
second
one
as
well.
The
second
permit,
for
example,
our
soap
box
derby,
also
has
a
component
called
picnic
in
the
park,
would
choose
a
centennial
park?
D
Do
we
should
we
be
considering
to
make
a
separate
application
for
that
element
of
it,
or
is
the
Evoque
closure
by
law
application
sufficient,
which
talks
about
the
picnic
in
the
park
component
as
well?
So
that's,
that's.
An
element.
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
clarified.
The
definition
of
the
500
I've
heard
slightly
different
definitions,
500
people
at
any
one
piece
of
property
at
any
one.
Given
time
I'm
thinking
now,
some
of
the
BIA
activities
have
lots
of
visitors
that
are
being
brought
in,
and
so
these
people
move.
D
In
total,
over
the
whole
community
of
over
number
of
streets,
it
would
be
a
certainly
mine
500,
but
is
it
on
a
property
or
is
it
over
the
whole
event
area?
What
is
that
definition
and
I
think
there's
a
there's,
a
number
of
people
who
are
asking
those
kinds
of
questions
and
they're
not
clearly
defined
in
the
bylaws
that
that
be
looked
at
my
last
point
and
I
had
no
time
has
to
do
with
the
resourcing
levels
required
by
the
city
staff.
D
There
is
a
provision
that,
if,
if
they're
artists,
the
C
staff
resources
to
process
an
application
and
application
could
be
denied,
that's
that
suggests
that
already
we're
facing
a
situation
where
there
may
be
more
applications
than
could
be
possibly
processed
by
the
existing
staff
level.
The
staff
have
been
doing
a
fantastic
job
in
doing
everything
that
they
can
do
to
help
out
I'm,
just
getting
worried
that
there
may
be
an
overload
situation
and
council
will
be
approached
with
a
request
for
staffing
levels.
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
concern
as
a
taxpayer.
D
B
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
Belcher,
so
mr.
Chen
yay
just
on
few
of
those
points,
the
first
I
guess
and
foremost
the
notion
of
timelines
and
staffing
I
mean
you
know.
Perhaps
you
can
speak
to
that.
Do
you
contemplate
that
that
you
wouldn't
have
the
staffing
resources
or
would
be
asking
for
additional
resources
for
this.
E
Mr.
chair,
the
central
eventually
just
implemented
the
in
Vista
system,
which
was
mentioned
earlier,
part
that
is
connected
to
the
service
Ottawa
initiative
and
tried
to
find
applied
the
use
of
technology
to
increase
our
capacity,
and
so
what
that's
done
is
that
it's
put
our
application
online,
its
automated
the
whole
process
of
getting
out
to
all
of
the
seat,
members
who
need
to
comment
or
review
an
application.
E
That's
now
done
through
the
in
Vista
software,
as
opposed
to
a
whole
process
that
used
to
be
time
and
resource
heavy
in
terms
of
duplicating
documents
and
all
those
kinds
of
things.
So
that's
now
been
automated.
It's
given
us
capacity
which,
which
were
thankful
for
because
events
do
continue
to
grow,
but
for
now
I
think
that
harnessing
that
new
capacity
we
will
just
find
in
terms
of
resources
for
taking
in
an
application
and
processing
it
on
time
and
in
a
fairly
expedient
manner.
E
B
E
Yes,
because,
first
of
all,
be
the
soapbox
derby
is
on
the
rail
right
away,
and
so
that,
of
course,
would
continue
under
the
the
the
previous
bylaw.
If
there
was
something
in
a
park
or
an
adjacent
property
and
it
was
to
have
500
or
more
people,
then
it
would
be
considered
a
large
event
and
would-
and
this
bylaw
would
now
apply
the
application
process
for
both
for
both
the
on-road
and
the
off-road
is
the
same
application
form
and
we
come
through
the
same
system.
E
Automatically
Joe
would
receive
a
portion
dolores
would
receive
and
whoever
else
on
the
team.
So
it's
quite
efficient
in
that
manner,
but
it
could
be
in
a
situation
like
this,
where
both
bylaws
would
apply
the
roads
by
law,
for
the
roads
portion
of
the
event.
And
if
the
event
in
the
park
was
going
to
be
more
than
500,
then
this
bylaw
would
apply.
B
Maybe
I'm
beating
a
dead
horse
here,
but
you
know
it
has
to
do
with
you
know
the
scalability
the
event,
the
type
of
the
event.
All
of
these
become
factors.
Right
I
mean
you
could
have
a
great
Glee
garage
sale.
Where
you
know
you
sure
you
got
more
than
500
people,
but
it's
over
a
several
block
area
and
they're,
not
all
in
the
same
street
at
the
same
time,
but
you
know
they
are.
They
all
did
come
down
for
the
same
purpose
and
you
know
what
that
is.
B
E
There
was
flexibility
both
in
terms
of
the
application
timelines
and
in
terms
of
how
we
interpret
this.
In
terms
of
does
this
portion
apply
the
500
to
a
particular
site
and
and
nearly
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
is
what
they're
doing
going
to
create
a
safety
hazard.
Is
it
going
to
create
traffic
congestion
that
that
needs
to
be
dealt
with
through
a
formalized
plan?
All
of
those
questions
which
the
C
group
would
dress
in
their
normal
course.
B
Okay,
thank
you
other
members
of
the
committee
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
bouncer
I
did
want
to
just
indicate
that
mr.
Devine,
who
had
left
from
the
NCC
and
mr.
cots,
who
had
left
from
Ottawa
tourism,
they
did
come
out
to
speak
in
support
of
the
of
the
item.
Next
up
is
Allan
Hahn
from
manitech
Royal
Canadian
Legion,
mr.
Hahn.
If
you
want
to
make
your
way
down,
you
have
five
minutes
from
when
you
begin
speaking,
use
the
microphone
in
front
of
you
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
E
Chair
the
answer
to
both
mr.
Hansen's
questions
is
yes,
it's
the
because
the
parade
is
on
a
roadway
would
not
apply,
and
so
they
are
correct
in
assuming
that
it's
business
as
usual,
but
the
previous
bylaw
would
apply,
is
also
correct
that
the
application
process
will
be
very
similar
to
what
it
was
in
previous
years
and
essentially
the
same,
and
that
we
will
continue
to
provide
the
good
support
that
he's
received
in
the
past.
B
A
You
mr.
chair
just
one
question
to
staff,
when
you
said
the
application
process
will
not
change
or
will
to
carry
on
forward
and
ask
the
question
earlier
about
repetitive
events,
so
that
would
ensure
for
any
Legion
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
for
those
plays
once
they're
being
approved
was
that
they
would
carry
that
on
from
year
to
year.
E
Yes,
so
essentially
it's
a
refreshing
of
the
of
the
information
contacts
if
there
are
any
changes
to
this,
the
planned
events
from
one
year
to
the
next.
So
it's
a
it's
a
minor
adjustment,
as
Delores
mentioned
earlier,
the
application
now
gets
retained
in
the
system.
So
it's
not
like
starting
from
square
one
anymore.
It's
simply
a
refresh
of
the
information.
Thank.
G
D
B
D
Is
Mark
Daniels
I'm,
an
inspector
with
the
alcohol
and
given
Commission
of
Ontario,
where
D
regulating
body
of
the
service
of
alcohol
in
Ontario,
with
respect
to
special
occasion
permits
and
all
licensed
establishments,
I
want
to
commend
this
seat
members
for
all
that
they're
doing
with
respect
to
meeting
and
promoting
what
is
in
fact,
this
one-stop
shopping
where
all
the
applicants
get
to
meet
and
to
get
to
review
all
the
issues.
The
alcohol
and
Gaming
Commission
is
committed
to
public
safety
and
committed
to
enforcement
through
education
on
working
with
stakeholders.
D
The
City
of
Ottawa
is
one
of
our
stakeholders
and
we
work
very
closely
with
them,
in
particular
with
the
seat
committee.
What
we
do
with
the
Commission,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
is
promoting
responsible
service
of
alcohol
through
education.
We
are
not
trying
to
stop
any
events
from
going
we're
not
trying
to
crash
any
events.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
educate
with
respect
to
alcohol
liability
and
criminal
charge
that
could
result
with
respect
to
any
infractions
on
the
licensee
themselves.
D
The
C
committee
meetings
allows
us
to
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
all
the
applicants
with
respect
to
different
court
rulings
and
sanctions
that
the
register
has
imposed.
For
example,
should
there
be
any
major
infraction
come
the
following
year,
the
registered
me
refused
to
issue
an
alcohol
permit
and
if
that
happens,
the
event
will
not
be
as
promising
as
it
normally
is.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
the
applicants
aware-
and
this
forum
is
a
proper
forum
for
us
to
do
that.
D
The
proof
is
in
the
pudding
in
the
sense
that
we
don't
necessarily
see
the
results
of
the
C
committee
meeting
at
the
time
of
the
meeting,
but
when
the
events
are
happening,
as
was
indicated
earlier,
we
do
that
to
speak
to
the
licensees,
who
can
come
to
us
and
ask
us
various
questions.
We
can
either
refer
them
to
one
of
our
counterparts
or
one
of
the
kind
of
parts
and
refer
them
to
us,
and
the
program
I
find
is
working
quite
successfully.
We
support
the
program
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
B
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
committee
members
I'm
here
as
a
representative
for
the
bbia,
but
also
the
unfolding
of
the
bylaws
that
occurred.
300
cobia
as
well
to
speak
to
the
seat.
Format
has
been
a
very
successful
forma
and
something
that,
as
event
organizers,
we've
been
very
happy
with
how
they
team
works
and.
F
I
guess
the
concern
when
I
when
I
looked
at
this
is
the
separation
of
the
traffic
issues
which
used
to
be
included
in
here,
which
now
are
not
so
as
as
was
raised
by
other
people.
Are
we
going
to
have
you
know
our
events
on
the
highways
and
roadways
which
are
not
included
in
this?
So
it's
the
understanding
that
this
dialogue
does
still
taking
into
consideration
all
the
other
bylaws
that
were
standing,
and
so
a
one
stop
element
is
not
really
present
here
and
I.
F
F
F
F
Successful
that
the
participants
are
safe,
that
whoever
comes
to
the
event
is
going
to
experience
a
good
time.
So
I
took
a
little
exception
to
that
comment
that
you
know
we
might
want
to
just
that's
not
the
case,
but
to
create
an
event
by
exceptional
by
law
by
exception.
It
is
also
not
the
way
to
go,
not
to
say
that
this
bylaw
is
not
a
good
bottle,
I
think
significant
or
some
changes
that
were
made
as
a
result
of
the
consultation.
F
F
If
a
community
is
doing
an
event
in
the
park
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
all
the
sudden
parking
now
becomes
a
component
of
them
having
to
organize
so
I
think
that's
a
difficult
challenge
for
any
group
and
to
suggest
parking
as
an
option
that
they
have
to
take
into
consideration
when
the
city
itself
is
moving
towards.
You
know
the
transit
pedestrian
cycling
model,
then
parking
should
not
have
been
included
in
here.
F
So
I
think
that
this
this
is
part
will
be
problematic
for
a
lot
of
groups
and
the
owners
that
it
puts
on
them,
depending
on
where
they're
holding
the
event
and
as
you
mentioned
mr.
chair,
the
great
garage
sale.
Well,
it
does
have
its
issues
in
terms
of
because
I
I
do
attend
the
sessions
for
this.
The
onus
on
the
Community
Association
to
try
to
address
it,
but
because
it's
all
they
do
is
news
to
the
community.
They
don't
organize
it.
F
F
The
one
other
element
in
this
more
of
a
curiosity
when
I
see
the
exemptions
when
it
applies
to
a
sporting
event
for
regular
league
play,
excluding
playoff,
special
tournaments
and
other
events
occurring
outdoors.
They
talk
to
the
Ottawa
stadium
located
at
Coventry
in
Lansdowne
Park,
but
it
makes
no
mention
of
Scotiabank
place,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
there
would
be
an
exception,
not
that
particular
location
as
well.
F
F
B
You
very
much
miss
lemon,
so
I
guess
maybe
mr.
Shane
yeh,
just
to
get
to
kind
of
close
the
loop
back
I
would
I
would
actually
take
the
staff
side
with
respect
to
the
parking
issue,
because
you
know
but
I'm
interested
to
hear
your
your
feedback
on
that
I
think
anybody
who's,
organizing
a
large-scale
event
for
you're
bringing
out
people.
They
can't
just
imagine
that
somehow,
when
they
show
up
at
their
gates,
they're
responsible
from
there
on
in
you
know,
there
has
to
be
some
consideration.
B
I
do
think
it
goes
hand
in
hand
with
you
know,
good
event,
organisers.
You
know
like
like
yourselves,
you
you
always
have
you
don't
want
people
coming
in
being
angry
because
they
didn't
find
a
place
to
park
or
so
there's
always
thought
that
does
go
into
it.
Mr.
Shelley
I
don't
know
if
you
have
comments
on
that.
Thank.
E
You
mr.
chair,
yes,
it's
always
been
an
intent
to
address
parking
as
part
of
this,
because
you're
quite
right
that,
with
large
events,
parking,
is
a
considerable
consideration.
Both
this
impact
on
local
streets,
neighborhood
streets,
the
potential
blocking
of
streets
that
that
could
happen
when
large
number
of
cars
come
to
one
area
at
a
park.
I
think
the
format
change
that
may
be
referred
to
is
I.
Think
in
a
clean
up
from
version
one
to
version
two,
the
bylaw,
rather
than
have
traffic
plan
and
a
parking
plans
stand
as
separate
items.
E
They've
been
combined
into
one,
but
the
the
intent
is
really
the
same.
To
address
everything
related
to
vehicular.
It's
not
our
intent
to
promote
driving
to
events
and
be
contrary
to
use
of
public
transit.
It's
simply
reflecting
the
reality
that
part
of
the
good
planning
for
large
events
is
what,
with
the
cars
that
come
to
the
event
and
and
so
that's
what
we've
tried
to
do
here
and
the
other
piece
I
can
comment
on.
Is
it's
Scotiabank
place
or
Canadian?
E
Tire
Center
is
not
on
there,
because
there
is
no
outdoor
regular
league
play
at
that
location.
At
this
point,
if
they
were
to
build
an
outdoor
field
or
stadium,
then
of
course
that
drew
large
crowds,
we
would
treat
it
much
the
same
way
that
we
treated
the
other
the
other
outdoor
stadiums,
but
at
this
point,
most
of
the
activity
there,
the
draws
large
crowds,
namely
hockey,
is
indoors,
which
is
outside
the
preview
of
this
bylaw.
B
So
so,
hence
the
distinction
why
Scotiabank
place
isn't
in
and
and
the
other
events
are,
okay,
does
the
bylaw
contemplate
or
could
the
bylaw
contemplate
future
large
outdoor
event
resuming?
We
don't
have
any
on
the
horizon,
but
you
know
there
could
be
who
we
did
see
the
we
did
see
the
Ernst
and
Young
Center
I
know
most
of
their
stuff
happens
inside,
but
you
know
it's
not
out
of
the
realm
of
possibility
that
they
couldn't
have
something
in
their
parking
lot.
There.
B
Okay
and
just
with
respect
a
bit
of
a
housekeeping
thing,
I
know
mislead
minute
indicated
they
were
looking
for
a
second
meeting.
It
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
have
it.
You
know:
how
does
that
I
mean
I
suppose
between
now
and
council,
you
would
have
the
opportunity
to
meet
to
get
again.
If
you,
it
was
an
absolute
requirement
on
behalf
of
the
organization.
Any
comment
on
that.
F
Thank
you,
mr.
chair,
so
we
do.
As
mentioned,
we
had
two
public
consultation
sessions
and
in
between
those,
we
did
have
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
D
blaze.
As
a
group,
one
was
more,
they
a
conference
call
if
you
will
and
then
separate
from
that
we
met
with
some
some
of
the
other
bi
that
weren't
able
to
attend.
G
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
we're
not
so
much
to
it,
but
just
don't
like
little
bit
about
the
parking
issue.
So,
in
the
event
like
car
fare,
we
have
50,000
people
comment
to
a
village
of
2,000
people.
Well,
surely,
together
they
don't
if
they
don't
consider
park
a
land
where
people
gonna
pop,
but
why
we
invite
them
over
then,
because
we
have
no
place
to
put
them.
It
will
create
it'll,
create
really
a
pressure
on
all
the
emergency
service
and
all
the
people
to
get
in
get
out
from
their
home.
G
So
Park
can,
in
in
my
case,
I
think
that
was
the
first
time
a
player
at
LS,
please.
If
those
people
are
going
to
come
and
make
sure
they
don't
block
our
roads
and
our
roadway
and
in
the
pass,
we
have
to
have
a
tow
trucks
just
to
throw
people
away
from
block
and
other
residents,
so
I
think
have
it
there,
just
for
maybe
it's
not
for
every
event.
But
for
events
like
like
the
fairs
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
points
on
off
after
bomber.
G
F
You
counsel
I'll
take
the
great
food
guru,
for
example,
because
the
Community
Association
doesn't
organize
it.
They
use
to
the
community
about
it
a
lot
of
traffic
to
the
area
so
to
suggest
them
that
they
would
have
to
create
some
kind
of
parking
facility.
As
part
of
that
organization
event
will
be
impossible,
it's
just
impossible,
so
there
are
so.
If
what
I'm
saying
is
you
put
it
in
writing?
G
Everybody's
moving
extremely
slowly
and
a
lot
of
times
trying
to
see
if
there's
anything
available
without
actually
getting
out
of
their
cars,
which
is
kind
of
funny
I'm,
just
wondering,
although
it's
kind
of
an
organic
event,
there
is
no
head
of
it
really,
and
it
just
happens,
but
as
a
recurring
event,
have
you
thought
of
how
that
could
be
handled
in
a
more
simple,
more
simple
way.
Secondly,
maybe
if
you
just
speak
to
community
about
the
impact
of
asking
volunteers
to
fill
out
and
complete
the
paperwork
that
is
associated
with
this
kind
of
thing,.
F
F
F
B
F
F
F
F
Going
to
depend
in
the
future
to
the
interpretation
of
those
bylaws
and
to
the
circumstances,
are
the
individuals
who
are
taking
a
look
at
a
particular
fire
at
a
particular
time.
It's
also
as
know
things
do
sometimes
get
bogged
down
in
paperwork,
so
we
have
those
concerns
around
time.
The
fact
that
to
address
things
like
organized
festivals,
those
types
of
things
by
establishing
it
as
a
bylaw
that
applies
to
our
events,
private
property
of
500
or
more,
it
pulls
in
all
of
these
other
groups.
F
Even
though
the
bylaw
states
there
is
flexibility,
they're
not
going
to
know
what
that
means,
and
rather
ask
comments
and
I
know
that
there's
been
consultation,
opportunities,
I'm,
not
sure
and
I
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
Doris
this
question.
If,
if
we
actually
reached
out
to
the
catering
world,
because
this
is
the
busiest
season
for
them
right
now,
they're
probably
not
available
anyway,.
F
B
You
very
much
I
think.
Certainly
you
know.
You've
got
two
sides
of
your
business,
one
you're,
just
the
caterer,
so
you
know
in
that
scenario
I
think.
Obviously
it
would
be.
The
person
that
you're
catering
to
that
has
to
you
know
go
through
the
process
if
they
need
to
the
other
one.
Where
you're
you
know
you,
it's
your
facility,
obviously
you're
the
host.
So
mr.
Chen
yeah
I
mean
I.
Remember
during
our
discussions
I
specifically
raised.
B
E
We
can
throw
a
mr.
chair,
I,
don't
believe
we
were
in
contact
was
just
talking
to
toodle-oo,
yeah
I,
don't
think
we
can
set
that
specifically
with
that
group.
This
is
a
facility
that
is
specifically
intended
to
receive
and
host
these
type.
These
types
of
of
events
and
I
think
for
the
most
part,
the
volumes
that
they
put
through
the
the
site
is
organized
in
a
fashion
to
address
those
types
of
things.
E
Organized
events
and
the
kind
of
events,
because,
even
though
business
as
usual,
perhaps
we
can
take
an
approach
that
says,
make
up
a
season.
That's
coming
and,
and
you
know
those
types
of
events
and
then
identify
events
that
may
fall
outside
of
that
that
are
much
larger
or
of
a
different
nature.
It's
a
concert.
It's
a
different
kind
of
outdoor
event
that
that's
going
to
perhaps
generate
a
different
kind
of
activity
and
then
zero
in
on
those
specifically.
E
B
What
I'm
hearing
from
you
is
that
you
know
in
a
scenario
where
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
lone
Starr
has
a
bit
of
a
cookie
cutter
approach.
When
someone
comes
forward
and
says
we
weren't
a
host
an
event
here,
was
that
look
like
you
know,
and
you
say:
well,
you
know,
barbecue
lunch
outside
for
200
is
this,
and
this
is
what
you
get
kind
of
thing,
and
this
is
where
the
washrooms
are
and
the
whole
nine
yards.
So
if
what
I'm
hearing
is
correct,
what
you're
saying
mr.
Cheney
is
it
wouldn't
take
much
for
you
to?
B
You
know:
work
with
groups
like
companies
like
Lone
Star,
to
say
you
know
providing
it's
it's
kind
of
your
business
as
usual.
Template
of
you
know
it's
a
barbecue
for
200
500
600.
You
know
just
show
us
how
you're
accommodating
parking
and
how
you've
done
it
in
the
past,
and
you
know
what
your
layout
would
be,
but
if
they
said
we're,
gonna
we're
gonna
have
a
outdoor,
open
air
concert
here
and
sell
tickets
to
it,
draw
people
who
are
perhaps
a
different
cloud
or
coming
in
and
or
a
different
business
model.
E
Correct
mr.
chair,
that
would
suggest
that
the
real
interest
isn't
to
get
involved
in
the
business
as
usual,
daily
events,
but
simply
to
be
able
to
flag
events
that
might
be
more
traffic,
more
requirement
for
police
or
paramedics,
those
kinds
of
things
and
to
really
so
yeah.
The
the
extraordinary
events
through
the
business
models,
strays
a
little
bit
and
and
where
we
need
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
attention.
E
G
F
G
F
Fire
and
health
have
every
event
that
we
hold
off-site,
as
well
as
large
events
at
the
ranch
currently,
and
we
have
had
situations
where
we've
had
very
large
groups
and
there's
been
some
dialogue
back
and
forth.
So
we
don't
currently
see
a
problem
with
the
current
system
where
it
works
and
as
far
as
AGCO
regulations,
that
will
continue,
and
it's
simply
for
us,
it's
simply
a
fax
notification
to
them,
because
we've
already
got
the
catering
endorsement
license
in
place.
Okay,.
B
D
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
Kirk.
We
appreciate
that
an
appreciate
your
endorsement
of
this
and
sounds
like
you
know.
I
know
from
your
submission.
You
have
a
decent
history,
looking
back
at
this,
so
I
think
and
just
on
the
issue
of
jurisdiction
was
involved.
Obviously,
in
this
and
I
think,
the
intent
is
really
not
that
of
trying
to
soak
up
enforcement
powers
from
other
agencies
that
would
still
be
under
their
care
and
control.
B
It's
more
on
the
front
end
of
the
making
sure
that
they're
at
the
table
so
that
and
that
they
have
the
information
they
need
to
ensure
that
they're
not
put
in
a
position
where
they
have
to
go
out
and
issue
fines
or
or
take
actions.
So
mr.
Shah,
a
Miss
McAdam,
any
comment
on
that:
how
did
you
handle
the
jurisdictional
issues.
F
Charrier
comment
was
absolutely
accurate.
There's
no
intent
in
this
bylaw
and
there's
no
provision
in
this
bylaw
to
usurp
the
the
authority,
whether
its
permit,
making
Authority
or
enforcement
authority
of
other
provincial
or
federal
agencies
that
are
out
there
through
a
seat.
They're
involved
in
the
discussion
when
it's
appropriate
I
should
mention
for
the
issue
affairs
that
was
raised
by
the
delegation
issues,
for
example
of
rides.
F
The
bylaw
does
require
proof
that
the
event
organiser
has
met
all
the
requirements
of
those
other
agencies
in
order
to
be
issued
a
permit,
but
there's
no
power
for
the
city
to
go
and
issue
that
permit
on
behalf
of
of
those
provincial
agencies.
So
it's
really
just
a
system
of
checks
and
balances
and
information
sharing.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you
for
that.
Other
members
of
the
committee
are
the
questions
for
the
delegation
No.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
Copeland
for
your
presentation
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
So
with
that
we'll
turn
up,
there
are
no
more
speakers,
so
we'll
turn
it
back
to
the
committee
members
of
the
community.
Are
there
any
further
questions
for
staff
or
desire
for
debate
on
this
comment?
Counselor
sure
yeah
I
am
I've.
G
Talked
to
several
people
who
have
either
run
events
or
wanted
to
run
events
about
this
and
the
the
response
from
you
know:
people
who
are
community
organizers
or
local
volunteers
who
are
putting
together
an
event
that
may
be.
You
know
conceived
30
days
before
it's
set
to
happen,
who
gathered
together
to
achieve
something
on
behalf
of
their
community.
G
What
they
see
here
is
as
something
that
adds
red
tape
and
delays
to
an
any
event
that
they
plan
to
do
the
obvious
I
think
your
refutable
example
is
that,
in
order
to
get
your
application
in
for
this
permit,
you
must
have
already
received
all
your
other
permissions,
so
an
event
where
people
are
normally
going
out
and
and
applying
for
six
seven
or
eight
different
types
of
permission
and
hoping
to
get
them
in
time.
For
their
event,
they
now
must
realize
that
the
clock
only
starts
to
run
once
they
have
received
all
those
other
permissions.
G
Secondly,
I
think
that
this
bar
I
realize
far
too
much
on
the
goodwill
of
people
in
seat
to
make
the
right
exemptions
and
and
and
the
people
were
NC
today.
Maybe
those
people
who
would
do
the
correct
thing
but
bodies
change
here,
people
change
people
move
on
and
all
that's
left
is
what's
written
in
the
bylaw
and
so
there's
no
guarantee
that,
once
we
have
people
move
on
from
seat
to
other
things,
that
the
same
sorts
of
accommodations
will
be
made
for
the
same
sorts
of
events.
G
We
pay
for
those
regulators
to
grant
the
licenses
and
to
ensure
that
events
comply
with
those
licenses
and
with
those
permissions
and
to
now
add
the
city
on
top
of
that,
to
make
sure
that
they
people
have
in
fact
done
that
when
we're
already
paying
for
the
other
bureaucracies
to
follow
up
is
just
an
extra
cost
to
taxpayers.
I,
don't
think,
provides
much
benefit
at
all.
C
C
Again
that
early
prom,
attire
I
think
such
unique
receive
another
ID
I
can
easily
see
some
someone
saying
Ottawa
once
again
being
boring.
I,
don't
think
this
is
the
concept
at
all
I
think
we
have
a
structure
in
place
that
will
enable
us
to
make
sure
that
the
risk
through
events
is
managed.
That
relates
to
translation,
that
relates
to
paramedics,
to
you
options,
whether
to
inform
them
the
the
bylaw
elements
of
it.
C
That
is
your
job
as
staff
to
make
sure
that,
on
the
seat
group,
that
there
is
always
the
corporate
memory
of
what
the
bylaw
is.
So
you
know
doors
are
here
today.
We
hope
you
stay
same
thing
with
all.
There
are
others,
but
if
ever
there's
a
train
or
a
transfer,
we
expect
that
corporate
memory
to
be
maintained
so
and
if
it
isn't
back
to
this
committee,
we
will
do
the
modifications
that
are
needed.
So
I.
C
Don't
think
this
is
a
perfect
because
of
the
the
the
possibility
is
the
wide
variety
of
possibilities
that
this
encompasses.
There
might
be
things
that
we
need
to
modify.
That's
why
we're
here?
That's
why
the
committee's
here
and
that's?
Why
we'll
ask
you
of
staff
to
come
back
if
that
is
needed,
we're
taking
a
big
step
but
I
think
it's
an
important
one.
I
talked
about
the
events
that
are
organized
that
for
which
you
can
provide
good
feedback,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
events
that
are
unorganized,
for
which
we
do
have
issues.
C
G
Mr.
chairman,
thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
chair
and,
first
of
all,
one
side
to
councillor
flirty
and
just
said
my
own
experience
before
I
got
the
first
year
that
was
on
council.
The
card
fair,
which
is
voted,
is
the
best
little
floor
in
Canada
got
393
parking
ticket
people.
Seven
people
got
their
car
towed
away.
Why?
Because
we
didn't
have
C,
we
didn't
sit
together
with
staff
and
all
the
emergency
people
work
together.
How
to
achieve
since
then
I
don't
have
to
declare
I
don't
sit
down.
Every
meter
will
see
when
I
do
sit.
G
The
odd
one-
and,
let
me
assure
you,
without
their
help,
the
community
doesn't
know
how
to
do
that
process
and
apply
for
all
the
agencies
involved,
whether
special
occasion
liquor
license
or
parking
issue
or
where
to
bring
the
people
and
being
the
safety,
have
paramedic
side,
police,
proper
police
and
fire
and
hope
today
from
mr.
Koch
insane.
This
is
overdue.
Maybe
it's
not
perfect,
like
any
bylaw
it
is.
It's
never
be
perfect,
but
this
is
the
step
in
the
right
direction
to
make
sure
our
community
are
safe.
G
Things
have
changed,
even
even
in
my
neck
of
the
woods
we
had
usually
a
few
hundred
people.
This
year
we
had
almost
2000
people
if
it
wasn't
for
the
police
and
the
fire
have
that
meeting
prior
to
this
and
and
monitor
and
help
us
to
make
it
safe
well,
but
we
kept
the
people
safe
is
wrong,
so
I
would
expect
nothing
will
change
just
because
now
we
have
here,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
see
us
more
secure
with
what
we
have.
G
B
Alright,
thank
you
very
much
so
members
of
committee,
with
that
may
we
carry
this
report,
can
socially
with
your
dissent.
Is
you
all
right
carried?
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
staff.
So
with
that
we
go
to
notices
of
motion.
Are
there
any
for
consideration
at
future
meetings?
No,
thank
you
very
much
and
increase
their
business
and
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
the
folks
who
came
out
and
tuned
in
today.