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Standing Committee on Environmental Protection, Water and Waste Management - Agenda 24 - Tuesday, 17 May 2022
Agenda and supporting documents available at www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
A
Thank
you
so
much
communications.
We
have
a
response
to
inquiry,
effectiveness
and
enforceability
of
anti-idling
by-law.
I
know
council
bernard
would
like
to
add
this
to
the
subsequent
agenda
for
our
june
meeting.
So
I
will
kick
that
to
councilman.
I
don't
know
if
you
do
a
motion
on
that,
or
just
just
approval
from
the
committee
that
we're
going
to
add
it
to
the
next
agenda.
A
Thank
you
is
that
approved
by
the
committee
to
lift
that
to
the
next
meeting.
Thank
you
so
much.
Our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
going
to
be
a
presentation
from
our
good
friends
at
the
ottawa
climate
action
fund
and
steve
winkelmann
who's,
the
executive
director.
There
you
may
remember
steve
he
came
and
spoke
to
us
when
we
were
approving
energy
evolution
back
in
the
fall
of
2020..
A
I
am.
He
invited
me
to
sit
on
the
advantage
board
for
auto
climate
action
fund,
and
I
know
steve
willis
and
andrew
flowers
are
also
engaged
with
the
with
ocaf,
and
we
have
just
invited
them
here
today
just
to
provide
an
update
on
the
work
that
they
do,
because
it
is
really
a
part
of
that
collaborative
effort
that
that
we
approved
as
part
of
energy
evolution
in
that
whole.
A
You
know
we
can't
do
this
alone
and
ocaf
really
embodies
that
and
they
look
to
bring
partners
together
to
advance
some
of
the
initiatives,
the
community
level
for
for
what
we're
looking
for
in
energy
evolution.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
item.
Number
two
is
the
motion
that
was
put
forward
in
the
april
council
meeting.
That
was
then
brought
here.
So
that's
item
number
two
on
renewable
energy.
A
A
Received
then
we
have
information
previously
distributed
use
of
delegate
authority
during
2021
by
revenue
services
under
schedule
b
of
biology,
dash
two
nine,
as
amended
by
bylaw
202-277.
Sorry,
I
hate
to
screw
up
my
bylaws,
I'm
not
sure
what
it
would
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
I
said
it
was
amended
by
bylaws
202-27,
I
don't
even
know
what
bilateral
2-2-7
is,
but
I
said
it
and
who
knows
but
anyways
it
is
seven,
seven,
not
two
seven.
So
for
the
record
all
right!
Thank
you.
So
we'll
go
back
to
item
item.
E
E
E
Climate
change,
as
you
know,
is
a
threat
multiplier,
exacerbating
physical,
social
and
economic
risks
to
critical
infrastructure,
access
to
services,
health
impacts,
especially
for
the
most
vulnerable
in
terms
of
heat
and
strokes,
reduced
or
increased
water
pollution
and
air
pollution
and
economic
impacts
and
infrastructure
on
business
interruption.
And,
of
course,
we
flip
that
around
and
address
climate
change.
It
can
open
multiple
benefits,
including
increased
return
on
investments
in
public
and
private
infrastructure,
green
jobs,
business
revenues
etc.
E
So
ocaf
focuses
on
where
the
carbon
is.
You
know,
90
from
buildings
and
transportation,
also
15
minute,
neighborhoods,
the
connective
tissue
between
where
we
live
and
where
we
go.
Our
motto
is
carbon
down
and
community
up
big
words,
especially
the
second
part
of
it,
but
the
fact
that
we're
within
the
community
foundation,
with
the
track
record
with
relationships
with
the
networks,
gives
us
confidence
that
we
can
deliver
on
both.
E
But
it's
not
about
us
and
it's
not
about
you
either.
It's
really
about
all
of
us
working
together,
public
private
philanthropic
community
investors
utilities
because
transformative
climate
action
is
only
possible
when
the
majority
opt
in
ocaf
works
to
advance
the
business
case
and
the
community
case
for
net
zero.
E
E
One
example
of
that
is
the
ottawa
climate
equity
initiative.
We
brought
in
almost
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
environment
and
climate
change,
canada
to
bring
together
leaders
from
climate
change,
groups
in
ottawa
and
social
inclusion
groups
from
african
ottomans
of
african
and
caribbean
descent
to
people
working
on
housing,
security,
food
security,
new
immigrants,
indigenous
youth.
Why
just
to
get
to
know
each
other?
Who
are
you?
What
do
you
do?
What
do
you
care
about?
What
do
we
have
in
common
in
order
to
then
co-create
communication
products
and
develop
collaboration
action
plans?
E
So
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
these
numbers
but
I'll.
Let
you
know
that
the
ocaf
committee
of
the
ottawa
community
foundation
or
advisory
board
approved
six
grants
totaling
around
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
leveraging
another
more
than
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
a
variety
of
funders,
federal,
local
etc,
including
the
community
foundation
and
these
all
align
with
energy
evolution.
Priorities
on
buildings
on
workforce
on
electric
vehicles
and
even
sewer
heat
waste,
heat
recovery,
co-funded
with
the
city
and
ncc.
E
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
few
examples
and
happy
to
you
know
during
q
a
come
back
to
this.
If
you
like
our
first
grant
and
then
a
follow-up
grant.
This
is
a
really
three
years
of
grants
to
envirocenter
for
their
future
homes.
Ottawa
program,
which
complements
the
city's
better
buildings
program
that
you,
I'm
sure
you
know
envirocenter
runs
the
website
for
them
and
does
a
lot
of
program
support.
E
The
formal
launch
of
this
is
next
week.
So
I
can't
spill
too
many
beans,
but
I
can
tell
you
this
came
out
of
a
hackathon
that
the
city's
climate
team
did
around
electric
vehicles
and
coming
out
of
that
ocaf
and
enviro
center,
along
with
community
and
evco,
responded
to
a
proposal
from
natural
resources,
canada.
They
were
successful,
bringing
in
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
so
with
money
from
natural
resources,
canada,
from
ocaf
from
an
anonymous
donor
at
the
ottawa
community
foundation.
E
We're
I'll
be
launching
this
ev
test
drive
concierge
service,
bringing
five
electric
vehicles
into
communito's
fleet
which
hasn't
had
any
in
ottawa
to
help
reduce
emissions,
because
literature
shows
that
that
exposure
to
evs
and
actually
driving
them
leads
to
increased
sales
and
by
bringing
in
the
car
sharing
element.
We
can
not
only
reduce
the
carbon
intensity
of
vehicles
but
help
reduce
car
ownership
and
driving,
and
it's
it's
a
community
up,
because
it's
an
easy
experience
for
all
ottawans,
not
only
people
who
can
afford
a
vehicle.
E
This
has
led
to
a
spin-off
with
ottawa
community
housing.
It's
ontario's
first,
fully.
Electric
car
share
that
should
launch
in
june
starting
one
vehicle,
one
charger,
one
parking
spot
at
an
och
property,
but
to
address
a
couple
of
things,
certainly
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
with
the
potential
at
larger
scale
to
reduce
tenants
cost
for
vehicle
ownership.
Maybe
they
don't
need
one
or
two
cars,
reduced
parking
costs
and
for
och.
The
promise
and
hope
is
to
help
reduce
parking
costs
and
to
figure
out
at
what
scale.
E
What
about
the
other
80
percent
of
ottawans?
If
we
don't
engage
them
meaningfully,
we
have
no
chance
of
meeting
our
goals,
and
so
the
city
and
ocaf
have
come
together
in
co-funding
a
climate
communications
campaign
to
inform
and
empower
ottawans
on
climate
change
as
citizens
as
community
members
as
consumers,
as
businesses
and
we've
got
to
start
with
the
fundamentals.
What
are
the
risks
hotter
wetter?
More
extreme?
E
Why
buildings
and
transportation?
That's
where
most
of
the
missions
come
from
and
the
solutions
about
better
buildings,
better
transportation,
better
neighborhoods-
and
I
want
to
highlight
heat
pumps
for
a
moment.
As
I
say
to
anyone
who
will
listen
to
me,
heat
pumps
are
probably
the
most
important
least
understood
climate
technology
in
canada.
E
Ottawa
alone
needs
half
a
million
of
them
over
the
next
20
years
and
they're,
just
not
as
sexy
as
electric
vehicles
or
photovoltaics,
but
we
need
to
try
to
help
people
understand
them
better
and
they
cannot
just
get
our
phone
homes
off
of
heating
with
fossil
gas,
but
can
help
prepare
for
warmer
and
hotter
weather.
Something
to
that
that
will
probably
be
emphasized
in
this
campaign.
E
Another
project
in
the
works
is
some
co-convening,
we'll
be
doing
with
a
quebec
based
group.
We're
calling
it
common
ground
to
advance
smart
densification
in
ottawa
to
unpack
our
concerns
and
fears
about
intensification,
maybe
laugh
at
ourselves.
Those
of
us
who
cried
when
the
growth
boundary
was
expanded,
but
don't
want
intensification
in
the
neighborhood
and
identify
common
priorities
and
key
challenges
and
of
course
there
are
real
challenges
like
transitioning.
You
know
parking
from
where
we
are
now
to
hopefully
less
of
it.
E
This
obviously
supports
intensification
goals
in
the
official
plan
in
15-minute
communities
and-
and
why
is
ocap
concerned
about
this
because
a
book
I
co-wrote
almost
15
years
ago,
called
growing
cooler
basically
lays
out
the
case.
Land
use
policy
is
climate
policy.
It's
housing
policy,
it's
transportation
policy,
it's
economic
policy!
If
you
look
at
the
analysis
that
went
into
energy
evolution
by
ssg,
you
can
see
that
folks
in
the
core
drive
zero,
two
three
four
thousand
kilometers
per
year-
and
that
goes
out
to
five
six,
ten,
twelve
fourteen,
sixteen
eighteen
up
to
nineteen.
E
I'd
love
to
see
in
the
analysis
for
the
transportation
master
plan,
some
land
use
scenarios
that
sort
of
cost
this
out
for
the
city
and
I'm
sure
you
can
come
up
with
great
things
to
do
with
those
increased
revenues
from
infill.
I
hope
a
lot
of
that
will
go
to
climate
and
affordable
housing,
but
we
need
those
numbers.
E
A
couple
things
under
exploration,
applying
machine
learning
to
commercial
retrofits,
developing
a
commercial
retrofit
accelerator
we'll
do
some
convening
around
geothermal
and
wastewater
heat
recovery,
continuing
to
work
on
low
carbon
workforce
and
revisiting
bike
sharing.
I
don't
think
it's
been
done
right.
It
clearly
hasn't
in
ottawa.
There's
some
great
models
out
there,
bringing
in
corporate
sponsorship
bringing
in
electric
assist
bikes
with
an
equity
focus
and
we're
in
some
initial
discussions
with
envira
center
about
exploring
that
we'll
leave
you
with
a
few
closing
thoughts.
Last
two
slides
return
on
investment.
E
You
already
know
that
energy
evolution,
an
investment
of
60
billion
dollars.
It's
going
to
generate
about
90
billion
dollars
in
gross
benefits.
I'm
going
to
submit
that
87
billion
dollars
is
a
conservative
estimate
of
benefits
because
it
excludes
co-benefits
jobs.
Health
infrastructure,
increase
municipal
revenues,
business
sales,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
invest
to
get
that
return.
Put
our
money
where
the
emergency
is
and
I'll
note.
The
city
climate
team
is
already
catalyzing.
E
Significant
federal
and
private
investment,
such
as
through
the
better
homes,
loan
program
and
gonna
need
more
resources
to
to
continue
along
this
essential
path.
We've
got
to
ask
the
climate
question:
are
policies
plans,
projects
making
it
better
or
worse,
on
emissions
increasing
or
decreasing?
Are
they
increasing
vulnerability
or
increasing
resilience,
and
by
taking
life
cycle
costing
approach,
including
co-benefits,
including
scenario
analysis,
including
embedded
carbon?
We
can
get
at
better
asset
management,
integrate
climate
change
into
asset
management
to
provide
that
required
level
of
service,
minimize
costs
and
maximize
benefits.
E
Finally,
let's
look
at
how
we
can
integrate
adaptation
and
mitigation
measures
such
as
green
infrastructure,
which
can
both
help
mitigate
flood
help
mitigate
urban
heat
island
help
shade
buildings
distributed
energy
walkable
communities
can
all
reduce
emissions
as
well
as
increase
the
resilience
of
our
communities
and
our
economy
to
climate
change,
appreciate
your
attention
and
look
forward
to
your
questions.
Thanks.
A
Thanks
for
asking,
you
really
appreciate
the
thoroughness
of
the
presentation
and
just
how
you
really
bring
together
all
the
aspects
of
what
the
city's
been
doing.
The
last
few
years
from
the
official
plan
transmission,
master
plan,
climate
change,
master
plan,
how
it
all
really
ties
together
and
that's
kind
of
the
theme
that
we
were
certainly
putting
forward
when
we
did.
The
official
plan
is
how
all
these
other
things
sort
of
piece
together
and
it's
it's
all
important,
no
matter
where
you
live
in
the
city.
A
There's
you
know
what
one
of
the
things
I've
always
pushed
for
is
preserving
a
culture
land.
Well,
you
see
that's
not
just
about
farming,
that's
also
about
climate.
It's
also
about
you,
know,
intensification,
these
different
things,
it
all
pieces
together
from
whether
it's
rural,
suburban
or
urban
there's
the
work
that
ocaf
does
has
a
benefit
to
all
communities.
A
So
I
felt
it
was
important
for
you
to
present
that
here
the
way
and
also
you
talked
about
adaptation
mitigation
in
june,
we
are
expecting
those
plans
to
come
forward
and
we're
having
more
discussion
on
adaptation
mitigation.
Also,
looking
ahead
to
the
next
term
of
council
and
from
a
funding
perspective
and
where
we
need
to
go
with
that,
that's
going
to
be
a
conversation
we
have
at
this
committee
in
june,
so
it
all
teased
up
quite
well.
So
we
do
have
some
questions
for
you,
steve
start
with
councillor
menard
our
voice,
chair.
C
Thanks
so
much
chair,
great
presentation,
steve
really
nice
to
see
you
here
and
thanks
for
putting
it
all
together.
As
the
chair
said,
some
interesting
ideas
and
I
think
I'm
really
hoping
to
pick
your
brain
a
little
bit
on
on
maybe
some
of
the
research
you've
done
in
other
cities
and
how
we
can
get
there.
So
I
think
you've
seen
in
ottawa
yeah
your
transportation
buildings.
C
Those
are
the
main
focus
for
for
reducing
our
emissions
and
can
really
help
us
on
cost
as
well,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
that
we've
been
you
know
looking
at
is
around
retrofitting
our
buildings.
You
mentioned
heat
pumps
and
that's
a
that's
a
major
one,
of
course,
but
I'm
wondering
just
your
your
thoughts
around
retrofits
to
buildings
beyond
just
the
the
the
no
interest
loans
we've
put
in
place.
You
know
how
do
we?
C
How
do
we
get
to
a
point
where
we've
got
residences
that
are
that
are
doing
this
on
their
own,
either
through
other
incentive
programs
or
or
just
through
information
to
to
lower
costs
and
reduce
emissions?
What
your
ideas
are
on
on
retrofits
to
to
buildings-
and
I
think
bang
for
your
buck-
is
always
important
in
these
conversations.
The
other
one
I'll
just
mention,
maybe
I'll,
just
go
through
all
three
or
four
I'm
going
to
talk
about
then
I
just
want
to
mention-
is
the
bike
share
piece?
C
So
we
had
a
report
on
the
table.
It
would
be
a
four
million
dollar
upfront
investment
and
then,
depending
on
the
cost,
share
model.
After
that,
a
five
hundred
year
expenditure
to
connect
to
our
you
know
again:
seven
billion
dollar
lrt
investment.
So
this
is
one
that
I
think
we've
looked
at
models
in
toronto.
Toronto
runs
it
in-house
staff
have
come
back
and
said
that
an
in-house
model
is
best
for
ottawa.
If
we're
going
to
proceed.
C
That
way,
given
what's
happened
here
before,
just
wondering
your
thoughts
on
on
how
we
proceed
there
and
and
getting
that
getting
that
done.
Another
quick
point,
I'll
just
raise
is
around
simple
one,
but
but
one
I
just
want
to
touch
on
is
the
the
research
you've
done
around
around
driving,
and
I
guess
you
said
you
wrote
a
book
on
it.
I'd
love
more
information
on
that.
C
Sorry,
if
I'm
not
up
to
date
on
that,
but
just
you
know
sprawl
and
where
we,
where
we
you
know,
how
is
people
in
our
city
would
love
more
information?
I
guess
your
powerpoint
is
available
in
our
shared
drive
as
well.
So
that's
fantastic,
but
just
some
more
information
on
that
and
the
last
one
I'll
just
mention
it's
a
small.
But
but
you
know
project
that
I
mentioned.
Sometimes
it's
just
the
conversion
for
led
lights.
C
C
It's
already
been
done
by
by
several
people,
but
I
think
there's
many
homes
that
don't
have
that
done
and
does
it
make
sense
to
have
a
small
program
that
could
help
do
that
as
an
incentivization
for
for
lowering
energy
output
and-
and
you
know,
lowering
costs
as
well
thanks
chair-
is
that
all
you
got
for
now
yeah.
I
could
talk
for
hours
with
you
on
this
stuff.
E
Love
it
love
it
and
let's,
let's
do
that
as
well,
so
on
retrofits
you're,
are
you
talking
both
about
residents
as
well
as
commercial,
just
to
clarify?
Yes,
yeah?
So
let
me
just
tell
you
one
project
that
we've
some
convening
we've
been
doing
on
financing
retro,
deep
retrofits
of
mervs
of
apartment
buildings
and
and
condos
working
with
some
of
the
key
building
owners,
your
mentor,
your
osgood
and
others.
Auto
community
housing
participates
as
well.
E
Basically,
the
business
case
isn't
there
and
you
can
have
a
flagship
project
and
you
can
brag
about
a
passive
house
building
and
you
can
lock
in
some.
You
know
25
savings,
which
is
not
trivial
to
do
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
What
do
we
do
in
that
in
in
the
middle
there?
How
do
we
build
that
broader
value
proposition
in
terms
of
what
it
means
for
building
owners?
Maybe
it's
about
10
inch
retention
for
tenants.
E
Maybe
it's
about
you
know,
improved
quality
of
life,
but
we're
basically
trying
to
advance
that
business
case
and
there's
a
lot
of
capital
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
interest
there,
but
even
the
highest
capacity
building
owners
are
struggling
with
sort
of
doing
this
at
scale.
So
there's
some
important
discussion
there.
I
think
we're
working
closely
with
the
city's
better
buildings
program.
They're
looking
you
know
at
a
commercial
pace,
effort
to
bring
in
some
more
low-cost
financing
for
that.
E
So
some
of
it
is
about
the
money,
a
lot
of
it's
about
the
collaboration
and
understanding
you
know,
ottawa,
community
housing
has
has
done
some
tremendous
things
and
it's
really
nice
to
have
deep
subsidies.
Taf
is
seeing
this
in
toronto
too.
Right
now,
you
need
those
needs
subsidies
to
go
deep,
so
we're
looking
at
building
that
business
case
and
looking
at
the
other
pieces
in
terms
of
best
practices
in
terms
of
portfolio
management
and
asset
management.
So
the
goal
isn't
necessarily.
How
do
I
make
this
building
perfect?
E
E
There
isn't
a
payback
case
for
heat
pumps
and
of
course
you
don't
do
the
heat
pump
without
doing
the
air
sealing
and
you
know
improve
improving
the
thermal
integrity
of
the
building,
so
certainly
better
homes,
loan
paragram,
which,
as
you
know,
was
already
oversubscribed
and
you
you're,
just
the
city
council
helping,
I
guess
re-capitalize
is
you
know
it
is
seeing
tremendous
uptake.
It's
still,
I
don't
know
500
homes
and
we
need
to
get
to
20
000
a
year.
E
So
it's
a
long
way
to
say
I
don't
know
exactly
except
one
piece,
we're
looking
at
we're,
calling
you
know
about
like
granny
sweets,
we're
calling
them
greeny
sweets.
So
if
you
put
in
a
basement
apartment
or
a
secondary
suite,
could
you
use
that
to
generate
some
income
and
consider
that
an
efficiency
measure
you
got
more
people
in
the
same
building
that
you're
heating
and
cooling?
E
Hopefully
it
advances
intensification
goals
as
well
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
something
that
has
no
payback,
has
broader
payback
so
we're
looking
at
broader
value
proposition
because
I
think
for
most
other
ones.
If
there's
no
payback,
sorry,
you
lost
me
and
so
we're.
You
know,
there's
good
stuff
going
on
on
the
workforce
side,
on
building
the
capacity
and
as
prices
come
down
in
terms
of
renewable
energy,
we're
moving
in
that
direction,
but
there's
some
fundamental
barriers.
E
E
Where
do
you
find
yourself
in
that
story
and
where
you
might
you
get
involved,
and
how
can
you
bring
in
sort
of
other
resources?
And
it's
a
it's
an
approach
that
applies
to
to
to?
I
think
everything
we're
doing
around
climate
change
or
should
do,
and
so
there's
there's
a
lot
of
evidence
there
I
mean
we
know
that
places
that
are
more
dense
and
more
complete
people
drive
less.
E
What
we
don't
know
for
sure
is
how
much
of
ottawa
could
we
transition
to
that,
but
we
do
know
we
need
to,
and
we
do
know,
there's
interest,
and
so
there's
certainly
work
to
do
and-
and
I
think
some
you
know-
encouragement
in
terms
of
projects
we're
already
seeing
bike
share.
I
can't
say
a
lot
about
right
now
in
terms
of
the
numbers
I
was
in
vancouver
a
couple
months
ago.
E
They're
doing
it
you
know,
corporate
sponsorship
is
huge,
there's
places
where
this
is
happening.
New
york,
toronto
with
corporate
sponsorship.
Now
these
are
higher
density
cities.
So
that's
a
higher
proposition,
there's
more
market
exposure
to
the
advertiser,
but
that's
sort
of
one
revenue
stream.
As
you
know,
I
think
you've
looked
at
hamilton's
social
bicycles.
I
think
it's
called
so
I
think
there
are
there's
more
analysis
to
don
and
to
do
here
and
virus
center.
E
Has
the
idea
of
more
of
a
social
enterprise
model,
I'm
agnostic
about
who
owns
it
and
who
runs
it
just.
I
think
it
needs
some
more
work.
There's
a
lot
of
guidebooks
out
there
there's
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
space
and
it's
really
increasing,
and
especially
in
the
city
like
ottawa,
which
has
both
you
know,
higher
density
and
low
density.
Bringing
in
the
electric
assist
bike
piece,
I
think,
is
going
to
help
make
those
commutes
a
lot
more
practical
for
people,
and
you
know
I
think
some
of
the
bike
share.
E
Attempts
were
more
focused
on
tourists.
Bike
sharing
is
typically
more
on
commuters
and
you
know
I
have
an
idea.
I
talked
to
stefan
jager
yesterday
about
ottawa
community
housing
of.
Could
we
focus
it
on
auto
community
housing
and
really
have
a
strong
equity
focus?
He
had
an
interesting
idea
of.
I
don't
know
if
he'll
appreciate
me
sharing
it,
but
I
just
you
know
about
scooters,
and
I
don't
mean,
like
the
lime
stand
up:
scooters
scooters
for
elderly
people
and
people
who
who
have
mobility
limitations?
E
Could
there
be
a
sharing
of
those
types
of
four-wheel
scooters
to
help
people
get
around
so
and
there
could
be
other
sort
of
resource
screens
to
bring
to
that.
So
let
me
just
say
I
think,
there's
there's
worthy
study
to
do
there
to
unpack
this.
To
do
it
right
to
scale
it
right
and
phase
it
right
and
not
just
come
in
with
some
high-tech
solution
or
some
something
that's
sort
of
too
big,
but
I
don't
think
ottawa
should
be
done
yet
with
with
bike
sharing,
there's
what
to
explore
there
on
the
led.
B
B
E
Yeah
thanks
for
the
question
I
mean
the
the
lack
of
provincial
incentives
is
a
problem
there's
much
higher.
I
don't
I
don't
know
the
numbers
I
could
happy
to
find
them,
but
in
quebec,
where
there's
significant
there's
the
renault
and
the
reynolds
programs
that
provided
incentives
for
heat
pumps,
there
is
the
five
thousand
dollars
federal,
greener
homes.
It's
not
a
lot
takes
a
while
to
get
to.
They
certainly
can
be
financed
within
sort
of
better
homes.
Loan
program.
E
Provincial
policy-
will
help
I'm
not
holding
my
breath
the
so
so,
given
that
that's,
where
trying
to
look
at
things
like
these
greeny
sweets,
are
there
other
ways
to
sort
of
help
finance
that?
But
I
think
that's
why
we're
in
this
climate
communications
campaign,
just
so
people
understand
where
the
emissions
are
coming
from
and
what's
most
important
in
ottawa,
it's
how
we
heat
our
homes
and
it's
how
we
move
around
period.
Two
things.
E
People
can
remember
two
things:
andrew
flowers
and
I
like
to
joke
about
it's
not
about
the
plastic
straws
people
or
the
plastic
bags.
Like
you
know,
you
want
to
wash
your
bags
that's
great
and
that's
good,
but
we
really
have
to
help
people
understand
how
to
focus,
and
that
comes
down
to
what
are
those
life
activities.
E
If
you
again,
the
boiler
dies
or
you
need
to
install
air
conditioning
that
don't
happen
a
lot,
but
for
people
who
really
care,
maybe
they
were
within
the
green
bubble.
This
is
the
most
important
thing
you
can
do
and
let's
cost
that
out
we're
working
on
a
little
calculator
with
the
city
on
this
to
understand
if
it
costs
10
grand
whatever
it
is,
12
grand
put
a
heat
pump
system
in
your
house
which
not
all
auto
wins,
can
afford.
E
But
many
could
you
finance
it
over
5-10
years
talk
about
a
thousand
dollars
per
year,
we're
playing
with
in
the
communications
piece
like
all
right
thousand
dollars
a
year.
What
might
you
spend
on?
How
much
are
you
going
to
spend
on
redoing
that
kitchen,
by
the
way,
redoing
the
kitchen
people
are
excited
about
it?
It's
positive,
the
heat
pump.
What
is
that,
and
it's
not
you
know
so,
but
maybe
comparing
it
to
stuff.
E
E
You
know,
incentives
to
make
that
happen,
but,
starting
with
the
fundamentals,
let's
get
everyone
on
the
same
page.
So
through
this
climate
communications
campaign,
where
we've
been
working
with
we've
brought
together,
invest
ottawa
board
of
trade,
hydro
ottawa,
the
city
virus
center
in
the
fall
and
we're
we
aim
with
the
climate
communications
campaign.
E
I
guess
this
is
going
to
be
recorded,
but
it's
really
a
climate
literacy
campaign,
but
that's
paternalistic,
but
right,
but
let's
just
be
on
the
same
page.
Let's
know
what's
needed
and
then
let's
test
messages
with
folks.
What
do
folks
care
about
again?
What
are
the
broader
values?
Oh?
Is
it
greener
more
walkable
ottawa
going
to
help
businesses
attract
and
maintain
talent
all
right
now
we're
talking
about
something
else
or
provincially,
all
right,
heat
pumps
we're
not
gonna
like.
E
I
don't
see
a
path
to
20
000,
deep
retrofits
per
year
and
a
half
million
heat
pumps.
You
know
without
major
change,
but
if
you
get
into
wonky
terms
like
non-wire
solutions
and
looking
at
what
andrey
levins
talked
about
in
the
80s
of
megawatts
and
looking
at
energy
conservation
as
a
resource
as
infrastructure
investment,
maybe
there's
you
know:
federal
and
provincial
infrastructure
investment
in
energy
infrastructure
that
you
know
that's
in
our
homes
and
so
again.
B
Heat
pumps
can
generate
some
noise
and
we
don't
have
a
bylaw
that
dictates
where
they
are
installed,
and
I
think,
if
we
are
going
to
roll
this
out
at
much
greater
quantities
that
we
need
to,
we
as
a
council
need
to
have
some
sort
of
you
know
outline
of
where
these
are
installed,
not
not
to
make
it
difficult.
But
to
ensure
that
you
know
in
dense
neighborhoods,
we
don't
have
some
of
the
issues
that
I've
seen
that
have
actually
ended
up
in
court
between
neighbors,
and
we
don't
want
that.
B
E
One
more
comment:
if
I
might,
the
the
other
one
of
the
challenges,
the
heat
pumps
right
now,
like
everything,
there's
a
supply
chain
challenge.
I
said
to
minister
wilkinson
a
couple
months.
I
ran
into
him
at
a
reception
in
vancouver,
I'm
like
why
don't
we
make
a
canadian
heat
pump
like
we
need
millions
of
these?
Why
not?
You
know,
make
it
domestically:
it's
not
high
tech,
but
the
the
workforce
issue.
Hvac
contractors,
you
know
one
may
want
to
sell
you
a
boiler
and
an
air
conditioner.
Two
may
not
have
that
experience
with
heat
bumps.
E
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
winkelmann.
That
was
I.
I
get
inspired
just
hearing
the
overall
picture
about
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
should
be
doing.
There's
some
great
initiatives
there.
I
appreciate
the
work
you're
doing
with
ottawa
community
housing,
I'm
on
the
board
for
ottawa,
community
housing
and
I
think
that's
great.
The
idea
of
car
sharing,
because
parking
lots
are
a
real
big
problem
and
it's
such
an
obvious
solution
that
is
happening
in
large
cities
where
you
have
density.
So
I'm
I'm
excited
about
that.
B
Another
thing
I'm
working
on
with
them
is
to
encourage
the
equity
passes
and
the
the
passes
that
we
have
for
transit
so
that
they
promote
them
because
people
are
are
already
qualified
because
of
their
income
levels
since
they're
going
into
ottawa
community
housing.
So
so
that's
another
thing
we
can
do
is
is
have
these
these
working
together
of
oc,
transpo
and
och
to
to
encourage
people
to
apply
so
anyway.
I
appreciate
your
your
work
on
that.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think.
That's
that's
great
and
I
would
say
I'm
meeting
with
bryce
conrad
tomorrow
and
one
of
the
ideas
I'm
going
to
sort
of
tease
out
is:
how
do
we
do
things
that
are,
you
know,
really
integrative,
and
so
could
we
look
at
a
electric
neighborhood,
where
you're
bringing
in
the
photovoltaics
and
you're,
bringing
in
the
storage
and
you're
bringing
the
heat,
pumps
and
car
charging
and
bike
charging
so
that
we're
looking
at
both?
E
How
do
you
do
these
things
at
scale
and
any
in
any
way
you're
putting
solar
panels
is
going
to
be
helpful,
but
we're
doing
it
to
like
look.
I
want
to
pat
myself
on
the
back
and
have
things
to
brag
about
we
all
sort
of
need
that,
but
what
how
is
it
informing
an
inspiring
scale
up,
and
so,
where
is
it
showing
if
we're
saying,
on
the
one
hand,
electrify
everything?
E
On
the
other
hand,
we
know
climate
change
is
a
is
a
threat
multiplier
to
the
things
that
cause
power
outages
such
as
extreme
weather
events
and
and
sort
of
more
heat,
so
are
putting
more
load
on
the
grid.
If
we
focus
some
of
these
efforts
in
a
particular
area,
we
can
also
then
make
the
case
of
what
else
is
needed
to
really
scale
this
significantly
in
terms
of
investment
in
the
grid,
in
terms
of
investment
in
storage,
in
terms
of
investments
and
efficiency.
E
B
Thank
you,
and
I
should
mention
it.
It
got
amended
to
include
wind,
but
one
of
the
the
criticisms
I've
heard
on
on
the
motion
is
that
it
takes
a
longer
time
for
payback
for
the
structure
of
the
solar
panels
and
in
terms
of
how
much
it
costs
and
how
many
years
it
takes
to
to
gain
back.
But
I
wanted
your
feedback
on
that
that
that
was
on
the
you
know.
E
You
know
I
keep
that
expertise
in
janus
ashworth's
brain.
I
would
call
janice
from
the
city
to
sort
of
you
know
understand
that
in
terms
of
how
those
costs
pan
out,
but
I
think,
there's
she's
told
me,
there's
pretty
interesting
payback
on
photovoltaic
and
I
would
almost
you
know,
look
at
in
terms
of
what
is
the
value
of
that
building
and
what
is
the
resilience
value
and
does
that
help
the
building
stay
occupible
in
terms
of,
if
there's
an
extreme
event
or
some
sort
of
other
some
sort
of
other
outage?
E
So
so
I
don't.
I
don't
know
those
those
numbers
offhand,
but
my
understanding
is
there's
a
there's,
a
decent
payback
for
pv.
What
I
would
just
say
is,
you
know
again,
put
pv
in
your
roof
again,
I'm
teasing
my
friends
in
the
green
bubble
a
little
bit,
I'm
in
there
myself,
but
you
know:
hey
I've
got
a
green
house,
but
the
heat
pump.
You
can't
put
that
outside.
No,
no
one
knows
what
it
is.
E
So
how
does
that
that
investment
help
sort
of
look
at
the
broader
system
and
certainly
the
more
efficient
and
thermally
efficient?
That
building
is
then
even
more
value
out
of
that
investment
in
pv.
My
understanding
is
a
good
investment
and
certainly,
as
we
see
carbon
prices
escalating,
it's
going
to
get.
You
know
better
and
better.
B
D
Thanks
chair
thanks
steve
for
this
this
presentation,
I
have
to
say
that
it's
going
through
it
I
mean.
Obviously
you
know
we're
all
focused
on
you
know:
building
a
greener,
a
city,
greener
environment,
healthier,
but
it's
also
even
that
aside,
it's
a
kind
of
place.
We
want
to
live
right
like
that.
That's
nicely
dense
that
you
can
get
around
by
by
bike
by
transit
that
you,
you
know,
live
close
to
to
other
people
that
you
have
clean
energy
sources.
It's
just
you
know,
without,
even
without
even
being
in
that
green
bubble.
D
D
But
do
you
see
the
arc
as
we
as
we
increase
those
with
our
capacity
to
to
meet
that
that
that
generation
like
is
it
there
or
or
can
it
be
there
like?
Is?
Is
this
realistic
that
we
that
we
pushed
everyone
towards
air
or
air
that
the
heat
pumps
versus
district
energy,
or
should
it
be
a
combination
of
both.
E
E
So
we're
you
know
contributing
in
the
city
and
ncc
to
measure
temperature
and
flow
of
waste
water
in
you
know,
sort
of
central
ottawa
that
can
support,
building,
decarbonization
and
intensification,
and
it's
a
tremendous
approach
and-
and
I'm
you
know,
we
haven't-
mapped
out
sort
of
how
big
that
resource
is
it's
not
sort
of
everywhere.
You
know
it's
not
gonna
solve
everything,
but
it's
important
and
the
aerosource
heat
pumps
again
they're
they're,
they're
critical.
E
I
mean
they're
they're
they're
such
an
important
part
of
this,
so
the
the
one
piece
that
that
I,
that
I've
been
excited
about
and
we're
going
to
do
this
workshop
with
vancity
investment
bank,
around
wastewater
heat
recovery
and
geo
exchange,
to
bring
examples
from
other
parts
of
of
canada
and
within
ottawa,
where
there
is
wastewater
heat
recovery
or
there
is
district
energy.
One
of
the
examples
I'm
really
excited
about
is
in
kelowna
bc.
This
goes
back.
E
I
don't
know
five
or
eight
years,
there's
a
subdivision
new
subdivision
that,
instead
of
putting
in
gas
furnaces,
they
put
in
a
geo
exchange
utility,
a
thermal
loop
and
everyone
got
a
heat
pump
and
they
pay
a
monthly
fee
to
do
that,
and
so
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
because
as
much
as
I
love
walkable
communities,
that's
ottawa's,
never
gonna,
you
know
be
copenhagen
or
even
you
know
montreal
right.
E
Do
that
analysis
because
of
the
multiple
benefits
you
know
that
that
it
brings
by
the
way
I'll
just
say
one
of
the
exciting
I've
worked
in
two
dozen
different
countries
on
climate
change
focused
on
urban
issues,
one
of
the
exciting
things
about
ottawa,
because
it
is
urban
and
suburban
and
rural,
and
it's
a
scale
where
you
can
get
things
done.
The
things
that
are
going
to
work
in
ottawa
are
going
to
be
transferable
to
other
parts
of
canada
and
other
parts
of
north
america.
D
A
A
F
So
I'm
also
very
excited
about
the
prospect
of
the
other
conversations
that
you
were
having
with
och
management,
potentially
around
scooters
and
and
also
around
you
know,
e-bikes
and
other
types
of
of
transportation
modalities.
I
think
that
that's
quite
exciting
and
I'm
just
hoping
that
we
could
see
more
funding
opportunities
for
both
transportation
and
also
net
zero
buildings
with
och.
F
As
you
also
might
know,
in
in
over
brooke,
there
was
an
investment
to
pilot
net
zero
buildings
in,
in
a
a
specific,
I
guess,
typology
row
home
tech
typology,
which
has
been
a
very
powerful
as
as
a
model
to
pilot
future
development.
So
I'm
hoping
that
once
the
fund
grows
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
see
more
investment
from
senior
levels
of
government
in
in
the
fund
that
definitely
institutions
such
as
och
can
take
advantage
of
that.
F
But
I
really
just
had
that
one
question
and
it
really
stems
from
the
work
and
equity
that
you're
doing
which
I'm
really
also
very
excited
about
the
fact
that
you're
you're
really
fostering
conversations
around
a
climate
change
and
social
inclusion
to
accelerate
equitable
and
effective
climate
action
in
ottawa.
I'm
really
excited
by
the
fact
that
you're
working
with
a
number
of
social
inclusion
groups,
equity
seeking
groups
to
ensure
that
they're
involved
in
the
process
that
they're
attempting
to
build
understanding
and
foster
partnerships
and,
ultimately,
joint
fundraising.
F
So
I'm
just
wondering
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
know
it
might
be
early
days
in
terms
of
the
consultation
that
you're
doing
with
those
equity
seeking
groups,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
might
we
expect
in
terms
of
the
the
deliverables
in
terms
of
what
communities
are
are
working
towards
achieving?
After
having
these
conversations.
E
Great
thanks
for
the
question
and
I'm
excited
about
all
the
och
representation
here
it
sort
of
aligns
with
what
I
think
of
a
strategic
opportunism
like
if
there's
money
and
interest
in
one
area
great.
Let's
start
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
focus
on
och
and
it
just
takes
so
many
boxes,
including
around
equity.
In
the
the
ottawa
climate
equity
initiative.
E
E
We
need
space
to
be
together
where
we
can
just
be
people
and
try
to
figure
stuff
out,
and
we
over
program
that
initiative
at
first
or
too
many
meetings,
but
over
time,
people
stuck
with
us
and
my
key
metric
on
that
counselor
king
was
like
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Can
you
pick
up
the
phone
because
you
have
an
idea,
maybe
even
embarrassing
question,
and
maybe
you
know
an
opportunity
to
figure
out
that
collaboration,
and
so
a
couple
of
things
coming
out
of
that?
E
I'm
gonna
I'd
have
to
pull
up
my
notes,
but
I
think
it's
acorn
and
cowie,
looking
at
engaging
focus
on
affordable
sort
of
low-carbon
housing
in
walkable
communities
and
I'm
forgetting
a
couple
of
details.
There's
out
of
the
sustainable
eastern
ontario,
there's
a
francophone
network
of
environmental
groups.
That's
looking
at
just
some
basic
engagement
on
environment.
E
I
don't
have
to
explain
if
you
know,
if
you're
just
trying
to
pay
the
bills,
you're,
not
thinking
about
a
garment.
On
the
other
hand,
you
may
have
you
know
family
in
the
caribbean
or
in
other
parts
of
the
world
who
are
feeling
sort
of
climate
change,
impacts
and
sort
of
try
to
help
make
some
of
those
connections,
and
we
had
an
ad
in
the
chinese
newspaper
like.
E
Are
we
reaching
the
right
communities
for
people
understand
how
to
access
like
better
homes,
loan
program
or
things
like
this,
so
collaboration
around
engaging
the
francophone
community
around
low-carbon
housing
and
then
continuing
engagement
around
green
workforce
and
the
ymca
is
doing
some
really
interesting
training
for
new
immigrants,
olive's
been
involved,
that's
a
place
that
I'm
particularly
excited
about
because
the
workforce
is
get
is
graying
out
is
getting
old.
It's
not
diverse
needs
to
grow
and
what
an
exciting
opportunity
to
sort
of
get
those
skills.
E
E
Some
of
those
practical
things
are,
I
think,
are
are
quite
important,
but
sometimes
it's
simple
things
just
making
sure
that
the
city's
resources
are
are
translated
into
into
other
languages,
and
I
guess-
and
you
attended
our
outdoor
workshop,
but
son
about
rudin
from
ecology
ottawa.
I
mean
the
language
that
keeps
coming
to
the
forest.
You
know
meet
people
where
they're
at
and
we
did
some
workshops
with
jack
who
compete
with
seniors
like
go
there
they're
not
going
to
come
to
some
workshop
or
trades
people
aren't
going
to
come
to
some.
E
You
know
afternoon
training
like
meet
people
on
the
on
the
work
site,
so
it's
figuring
out
what
people
care
about
where
you
can
engage
with
them.
Those
are
some
of
the
things
coming
forward
and
you'll
see
a
more
thorough
summary
in
the
next
week
or
so.
But,
more
importantly,
again,
as
I
said,
there's
going
to
be
all
this
federal
money
coming
and
I
I'll
you
know
I'll
be
honest.
E
I
I
try
to
do
that
as
much
as
I
can,
but
you
know
when
we
are
when
rob
barnes
and
ecology
and
auto
I
were
were
cranking
out
this
proposal.
We
reached
out
to
john
cucumbi,
who
we
didn't
know
and
said.
Would
this
be
you
know
who,
for
those
who
don't
know
who
engaged
otto
winds
of
of
african
and
caribbean
descent?
To
that?
Don't
do
a
lot
of
environmental
work,
but
you
know
needed
them
at
the
table.
E
One
of
those
voices
at
the
table
and
ken
campbell's
like
right,
young
people
care
about
this.
It's
interesting.
So,
let's,
let's
join
that
conversation,
and
I
find
sorry
I'm
going
to
personal
here,
but
you
know,
I
think,
we're
all
sort
of
contextually
shy
and
what
I
saw
at
that
last
meeting
people
instead
of
worrying
about
what
words
should
I
use?
Am
I
using
the
right
label?
Am
I
going
to
offend
someone's
like
if
you
get
to
know
each
other
and
counselor
king?
E
If
I
say
something
offensive,
I'm
hoping
you'll
say
you
know
steve
when
you
say
it
like
that
that
bothers
me,
but
you
know
me
or
you
know
so,
we're
building
some
sort
of
trust
and,
and
I
think
getting
beyond
I'm
american.
Originally.
I
grew
up
in
detroit.
So
there's
a
level
of
canadian
pulling
tests
that
I
don't
exactly
culturally.
E
You
know
relate
to
being
a
bit
more
sort
of
straightforward,
but
like
help
people
overcome
those
barriers
get
to
know
each
other,
and
then
you
can
pick
up
the
phone
and
then
you
can
say,
hey
there's
this
proposal
coming
and
I'm
not
scrambling
for
a
tokenistic.
Like
I
need
assembly
for
seven
generations,
I
need
indigenous
youth
like
we
know
each
other,
here's
this
opportunity
that
builds
upon
what
we're
doing
before.
So
it
sounds
very
pollyanish
and
some
of
it
is,
but
so
much
of
the
funding
in
this
place
is
sort
of
so
outcome.
E
F
No,
I
appreciate
that
insight
and
I
don't
think
it's
pollyannaish
to
really
work
towards
building
trust
with
different
groups.
You
know
we
often
are
focused
on
social
equity,
but
of
course,
you
know
part
and
parcel
of
that
is
environmental
equity,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
have
the
the
conversations
that
that
you're
starting
to
have
with
with
these
organizations
is.
F
We
haven't
had
those
conversations
in
the
city
before
around
really
motivating
environmentally
conscious,
behavior
and
also
advancing
equitable,
low-carbon
solutions,
and
I
think,
most
importantly
as
you're
saying
to
to
really
build
wealth
potential
for
for
high
priority
communities.
Jobs
like
you
said.
We
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
deficit
in
the
number
of
highly
skilled
people
who
will
be
able
to
undertake
building,
retrofits
and
other
tasks,
and
so
that
that's
definitely
a
no-brainer
in
terms
of
creating
economic
opportunities
for
high-priority
neighborhoods.
F
E
The
other
level
of
relationship
that
I
think
is
awkward
in
ottawa
is
environmental
groups
and
developers.
We
don't
want
to
get
in
bed
with
developers.
We
can't
like
we
know
what
the
private
sector
will
build
based
on
current
market
incentives,
and
you
know
I
mean
the
numbers
I
I
shared
in
council
monarchy,
helped
sort
of
dig
up
of
you
know
we're
essentially
subsidizing
greenfield
development
and
making
harder
to
do
infill.
E
So
we've
got
to
find
those
private
sector
partners
and
help
develop
that
business
case
so
that
there
can
be
a
profit
for
low-carbon
housing,
hopefully
affordable,
housing
and
figure
out
how
to
build
those
trust
relationships
between
community
and
developers
and
that'll
be
part
of
our
our
common
ground
approach
as
well,
because
you
know
no
one
can
do
it
on
their
own.
I
mean
council
model
you're
saying
it's
beginning.
E
You
know
consumers
can't
government
can't
the
private
sector
can't,
but
together
we
can
at
least
do
a
lot
more,
and
so
we
just
wanted
to
to
bring
that
so
calf
strive
to
collaborate
with
public
private
philanthropic
community.
We
don't
have
to
agree
with
everyone
all
the
time
we
expect
to
sort
of
you
know,
support
and
challenge
our
colleagues
and
expect
to
be
supported
and
challenged.
You
know
by
them
so
again
appreciate
the
chance
to
to
respond.
A
Thanks
for
that
steve,
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
that
the
context
of
your
discussion
and
how
you
approach
things,
I
think,
is
important
for
us.
I
think
we
we
sometimes
get
caught
up
with.
You
know
somewhat
divisive
arguments
and
us
versus
them
situations
on
many
issues,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we're
all
we're
all
really
pulling
in
the
same
direction
and
we
might
have
different
philosophies
about
how
to
get
there.
A
What
we
need
to
do
in
in
the
meantime,
but
I
think
it's
it's
important
that
we
do
have
those
cooperations
that
you
look
at
you
know
planning
committee
we've
had
some
some
builders
who
have
been
very
forthcoming
at
working
on
an
affordable
housing
aspect.
Others
not
you
know
it
just
doesn't
mean
that
that
one's
bad
and
one's
good
we
have
to
take.
We
have
to
look
at
the
ones
that
are
that
are
that
are
helping
out
and
keep
on
building
that
and
seeing
how
we
can.
A
You
know,
transform
that
across
other
sectors
and
other
builders
and
other
different
things
like
that,
so
we
can.
We
can
keep
moving
this
forward
in
a
positive
manner.
I
don't
blame
you,
for
you,
know
growing
up
in
those
hot
summers
in
detroit,
it's
90
degrees.
In
detroit,
you
look
across
the
windsor
and
it's
33..
I
don't
blame
you
for
not
coming
to
canada.
Too
often,
that's
a
that's
a
big
shock
to
the
system
so,
but
but
I
appreciate
all
the
work
they
do.
I
really
like
the
the
way
you
frame
things.
A
I
think
it's
important.
We
we
often
will
often
hear
that
we
should.
We
should
be
doing
more.
I
think
the
importance
with
ocaf
is
not
just
telling
us
that
we
should
do
it
more,
but
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
and
how
do
we
get
there
and
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
you
know,
I
think,
your
your
straightforward
approach
to
some
of
the
some
of
the
topics
and
some
of
the
realities
that
we
deal
with
are
are
important
to
talk
about
here
as
well
the
green
bubble.
A
You
know
it's
it's,
it
exists
right
and
the
reality
is
from
a
from
a
voter
perspective
that
green
bubble
is
smaller
than
the
you
know:
the
transit
bubble,
it's
smaller
than
the
lower
taxes
bubble.
It's
smaller
than
the
I
want
my
roads
fixed
bubble,
so
these
issues
don't
always
rise
up
to
the
top
of
elections.
D
A
Go
to
doors
always
and
sit
there,
and
and
pretend
that
the
person
we're
talking
to
cares
about
this,
this
bigger
picture
item,
because
often
they
don't
they
care
about
the
thing
that
matters
to
them
the
most,
which
is
why
it's
so
important.
We
talk
about
cost
of
housing
costs
of
of
home
heating
and
how
you
know
you
can
do
this
climate
piece
over
here.
A
It
actually
means
that
you're
you're
benefiting
yourself
as
well
and
your
future
finances,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
have
to
frame
it
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
getting
people
on
the
same
page.
So
we
can
all
move
forward,
and
I
remember
saying
the
one
to
one
delegation
once
when
we
had
camera,
if
it
was
climate
change,
master
plan
or
energy
evolution,
but
it
was
it
was
you
know,
even
if
you
don't
believe
in
climate
change.
A
A
You
know
it's
not
that's
the
way.
That's
that's
the
worst
case
scenario
for
that
for
that
situation.
So
I
think
it's
it's
important
that
we
we
keep
on.
Having
these
conversations-
and
I
know
okaf
is
a
big
part
of
that
so
steve
just
thanks
for
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
come
here,
thanks
for
listening
to
to
members
of
committee
and
answering
their
questions
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
together
in
at
least
in
the
rest
of
my
time
here.
But
then
beyond
that
too.
A
Thanks
steve
and
thank
you
to
members
council
for
your
indulgence
to
allow
that
presentation.
I
know
it's
not
the
norm
as
to
what
we
do
here
at
the
committee,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
context
just
because
we
do
talk
about
there's
so
much
more.
That
has
to
be
done
that
isn't
just
the
city's
responsibility
that
we
need
these
partners.
We
need
other
people
to
collaborate
with,
and
I
think
it's
important
context
for
what
we
do
at
this
committee
to
have
that
conversation
with
outside
partners
as
to
what's
happening
here,
so
appreciate
that.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
We
move
on
to
item
two,
which
was
teased
a
little
bit
during
that
discussion
from
counselor
kavanaugh.
So
it
is
a
motion
that
was
referred
to
us
so
allow
I'll
allow
counselor
kavanagh.
I
know
it's
it's
it's
on
the
agenda
from
councilman,
but
obviously
it's
it's
through
councillor,
kavanaugh
or
from
directly
from
council
cabinet
and
through
council
members,
so
I'll
I'll
go
to
council
cabinet
and
speak
to
it.
Please.
B
Now
I,
when
we
look
at
the
climate
change
master
plan
and
our
whole
our
whole
goals,
we
needed
some
concrete
ideas
of
what
we're
going
to
do
next
and
it
it
is
important
to
look
at
renewable
energy.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
do
it
on
our
own
building,
so
we're
not
just
telling
the
people
out
there
what
to
do
we're
doing
it
ourselves
and
we're
leading
by
example.
So
I
think
this
is
important.
B
I
appreciate
the
the
work
and
collaboration
with
the
city
staff
who've
looked
at
this
and
and
and
their
collaboration
as
well
with
hydro
ottawa,
who
are
in
partnership
with
this.
Since
it
is
about
energy
and
it's
it's
a
start.
It's
still,
you
know
not
it's
not
a
revolution,
it's
an
evolution,
so
we
need
to
keep
working
away
at
this
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
reach
our
goals
and,
as
I
was
just
said
in
the
last
presentation,
carbon
down,
so
I'm
hoping
this
was.
B
A
Great
thanks:
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
question
of
staff,
so
we
get
these.
We
have
these
conversations,
often
and
quite
often,
when
you,
when
you
dig
into
it,
it's
very
consistent
with
what,
with
what
we're
already
doing
so
we
have.
We
have
we've
talked
about
today:
climate
change,
master
plan,
energy
evolution,
we've
talked
about
these
things
before,
but
sometimes
there
are
certain
words
that
that
elicit
negative
feedback,
and
we
have
had
a
lot
of
conversation
at
this
committee
and
planning
committee.
A
When
we're
doing
the
official
plan
about
wind
in
the
rural
area,
it's
something
that
that
we
know
is
sensitive
to
our
rural
communities.
You
know,
there's
one
thing
that
you'll
have
to
worry
about,
seeing
in
a
in
a
built
up
neighborhood,
and
it's
it's
two
things
really.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about,
seeing
a
landfill
open
up
next
door
to
your
house
and
you'll
have
to
worry
about
having
a
industrial
scale
wind
turbine
in
a
in
a
an
urban
setting.
A
A
You
know
exploring
opportunities
to
stick
wind
turbines
turbines
in
your
backyard,
but
we'd
also
be
foolish
to
think
that
this
is
not
something
that
could
happen
in
the
future
as
it
stands
today,
there
is
no
ability
to
apply
for
a
industrial
wind
turbine
in
the
province
of
ontario
that
application
process
no
longer
exists,
not
in
the
province,
but
it
likely
will
come
in
the
future.
We've
made
some.
A
We
made
some
commitments
to
to
looking
at
setbacks
in
the
zoning
bylaw
when
that
time
comes
next
term
of
council,
also
through
the
official
plan
ensuring
that
these
things
don't
occupy
primary
cultural
land
in
there
earlier
as
well.
Now
this
is
all
contingent
on
the
province
actually
listening
to
us
and
actually
embedding
that,
because
we
know
that
the
previous
act
did
not
listen
to
municipalities
and
did
not
give
us
deference
in
any
way
shape
or
form
when
it
came
to
where
wind
turbines
are
cited.
A
C
I
can
take.
I
can
take
that
chair.
What
we've
put
forward
as
part
of
this
motion
as
a
broader
picture
is
that
if
there
are
sufficient
resources,
we
would
look
at
a
distributed
energy
resource
for
city-owned
facilities
and
land,
and
we
have
explicitly
said
that
that
would
include
renewable
energy
generation,
both
wind
and
solar,
as
we've
specified
in
energy
evolution.
C
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
are
supporting
supporting
turbines
in
backyards
where
it's
not
being
asked
for,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
are
going
to
end
up
with
that
in
this
in
this
motion.
But
we
need
to.
We
need
to
understand
what
our
options
are,
because
technology
is
getting
better
in
low
wind
areas
and
the
technologies
are
changing,
and
some
of
those
technology
changes
concerns
that
we've
heard
from
a
range
of
people
so
through
a
combination
of
work
with
zoning
and
with
the
distributed
energy
resources.
We'll
work
through
those
challenges.
A
Okay-
and
I
mean
I
think,
it's
important
to
know
too
that
when
you
talk
about
technologies,
you
know
one
of
the
challenges
we
had
with
the
north
core
application.
This
is
about
a
dozen
years
ago
was
that
the
wind
turbines
proposed
there
were
significantly
higher
than
what
we
see
elsewhere
in
ontario.
So
that's
a
bigger
impact
and
the
setbacks
at
the
time
were
quite
minimal,
which
is
what
created
that
concern
in
that
community.
A
So
I
think
that's
where
I
want
to
make
sure.
As
a
city,
we
aren't
making
those
same
mistakes
that
previous
governments
have
made
and
that
we
don't
have
situations
where
rural
communities
feel
that
they're
they're
left
out
of
the
conversation
and
that
the
city
is
just
going
to
come
in
and
and
do
whatever
we
feel
necessary
from
that
one
perspective
on
wind,
because
I
honestly
I
don't
get
the
feedback
on
any
other
on
any
other
energy
generation
technology.
It
is
specifically
about
wind-
and
I
know
that
my
royal
colleagues
hear
the
same.
A
A
A
Okay,
thanks
any
questions,
comments
on
on
the
motion.
I
know
many
of
you
seen
it
because
you
were
at
council
that
day-
and
I
wasn't
so
so
on
on
the
on
the
motion
from
council
cavanaugh
through
council
bernard.
Thank
you
mary
jared
thanks
and
that
so
that
means
there'll
be
some
discussion
upcoming
just
on
the
on
the
solar
panel
piece
and
the
working
group.
A
But
then
there
will
be
more
coming
back
next
term
of
council
for
further
discussion,
which
again
is
in
line
with
with
what
we
expect
from
energy
evolution
and
our
climate
change
mastery
plan,
and
that's
that's
that
for
the
regular
agenda
notices
of
motion.
I
know
we
have
two
one
from
councillor
mckinney
and
one
from
councilman
eric,
so
we'll
go
to
councillor
mckinney
first,
just
because
I
like
them
better.
A
C
D
I'm
not
adding
any
more
to
that
conversation
here
we
go,
whereas
the
scientific
consensus
is
clear
that
human
activities,
including
fossil
fuel
extraction
and
production,
are
primarily
responsible
for
accelerating
global
climate
change
and
whereas
the
internet
intergovernmental
panel
on
climate
change
reported
in
2022
that
we
must
have.
Our
green
have
have
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2030
in
order
to
have
a
reasonable
chance
of
limiting
global
warming
to
1.5
degrees
celsius.
D
And
whereas
global
governments
in
the
fossil
fuel
industry
are
currently
planning
to
produce
about
110
more
emissions
by
2030
than
what
is
needed
to
limit
warming
to
1.5
degrees
celsius
and
avert
catastrophic
climate
disruption.
And
such
plans
risk
on
doing
the
work
of
our
city
to
reduce
ghg
emissions
through
energy
evolution.
D
And
whereas
the
city
of
ottawa
declared
a
climate
emergency
on
april,
24th
2019
with
the
purpose
of
naming
framing
and
deepening
our
commitment
to
protecting
our
economy,
our
ecosystems
and
our
community
from
climate
change
and
whereas
the
construction
of
new
fossil
fuel
infrastructure
and
expanded
reliance
on
fossil
fuels
exposes
communities
to
untenable
risks
to
public
health
and
safety
at
the
local
and
global
levels.
And
the
time
is
now
to
phase
out
fossil
fuels
and
build
a
globally
just
transition
for
every
worker,
community
and
country.
D
C
C
So
I
circulated
this
to
to
council.
Yesterday's
people
have
seen
it,
but
I
will
read
it
out,
whereas
the
city's
urban
forest
management
plan,
approved
by
council
on
june
28
2017,
was
established
to
provide
a
structured
approach
to
protecting
and
enhancing
the
environmental,
social
and
economic
services
provided
by
the
urban
forest
and
to
ensure
that
it
is
healthy
and
robust
into
the
future.
And
whereas
the
city's
urban
forest
management
plan
included
a
recommendation
for
staff
to
undertake
a
tree.
C
Bylaw
review
and
whereas
council
approved
a
new
tree,
bylaw
protection
on
january
29,
2020
to
support
the
protection
and
enhancement
of
the
city's
urban
tree
canopy.
And
whereas
a
motion
was
passed
on
by
council
on
june
24
2020
to
amend
the
tree
protection
bylaw
to
reduce
the
diameter
of
a
distinctive
tree
within
the
inner
urban
area,
from
50
centimeters
to
30
centimeters
in
diameter
at
breast
height,
and
a
report
was
subsequently
approved
by
council
to
make
that
amendment
on
november
24th
2020
and
whereas
the
in
the
suburban
area
of
ottawa.
C
A
A
So
if
you
have
questions
on
that
speak
with
martha
cope,
stake
who,
I
know,
works
closely
with
councilman
on
that
motion,
but
also
is
working
heavily
on
on
all
tree
policy
in
the
city
of
ottawa
to
make
sure
that
we
are
protecting
our
tree
canopy
and
enhancing
it.
So
questions
to
martha
would
be
advisable,
so
you
can
prepare
for
coming
to
committee
next
month.
Okay,
that's.