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Finance and Economic Development Committee meeting – February 6, 2018 Audio Stream
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A
A
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
if
I
could
ask
members
of
council
to
take
their
seats,
I
will
start
the
meeting
just
one
minute
of
our
call
sail
our
very
own
dolls
in
minute.
If
anyone
would
like
to
speak
to
any
item,
that's
on
the
agenda,
if
you
could
please
sign
up
just
under
the
television
screen
at
the
door
and
we'd,
be
pleased
to
hear
your
presentation
on
items
that
are
on
the
agenda.
So
we'll
start
in
one
minute.
A
Welcome
to
the
finance
Economic
Development
Committee
meeting
of
the
6th
of
February.
We
have,
you
know
a
liquidity.
If
you
don't
see
the
develop
mark,
anomic
policies,
78
DeMint,
esuite,
councillor
Manette,
is
on
his
way.
We've
been
told
councillor
harder
speaking
at
an
FCM
conference
down
at
the
Shaw
Center,
and
she
hopes
to
make
it
by
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
not
entirely
sure
declarations
of
entrance.
B
Yes,
I
do
actually
thanks
for
having
me,
so
it's
something
that
arose.
That's
equal,
Affairs,
Committee
on
Thursday.
It's
just
involves
the
capital
facilities
agreement
that
the
city
has
with
the
twin
Allegra
Park
has
to
extend
that
agreement.
Let's
read
emotions
so
be
resolved
at
the
automation
of
the
EA,
goes
for
best
committee.
The
site
and
be
added
to
the
agenda
of
the
meeting
finest
Economic
Committee
on
February
6th,
as
the
solar
panels
addressed
in
the
motion
would
be
required
to
be
in
place,
are
before
March
31st
2018
for
the
applicants.
B
English
specs,
the
solar
panels
to
cooperate
for
the
grant.
Some
of
do.
We
leave
the
rules
to
address
on
the
waiver
of
the
rules
carried
so
we're
almost
leading
the
P
and
having
obtained
the
approval.
The
Auto
transition
board
approved
a
missile
facility
capital
facilities,
agreement
and
associated
by
law
in
respect
of
between
MOV
Park
at
forty,
seventy
five
twelve
wrote
on
June
15th
2004,
the
provision
of
the
missile
recreational
facilities
and,
whereas
the
visible
capital
facilities,
regulation,
603.
B
At
April's.
Forestry
recommends
that
planet's
economic
beckon
now
develop
creating
recommend.
The
council
approve
amendments
to
the
agreement
of
purchase
the
sale
such
that
the
date
of
closing
and
the
mutual
capital
facilities
can
be
modified
from
December
to
1:30,
first
2025
to
December,
31st,
2013,
ein
delegate,
the
general
manager,
WTO
general
manager,
recreation,
cultural
facility
services
and
the
director
of
corporate
reals
day
offices
office.
A
Jane
staffer
in
support
of
this
I
believe
annek.
Mr.
Shen
yay
is
an
agreement
on
the
motion
carried
right,
Thank
You,
councillor
Moffat,
so
declaration
of
interest
at
colección
de
confident
at
their
confirmation
of
minutes.
Adoption
des
postes,
bilbo
poulos
st.
disarm
DVD
set
for
the
fifth
of
December
2017
carried
motion
by
counsel
in
theory
to
waive
the
rules
throughout
the
presentation
on
LRT
Kelsey,
Rios
interior.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you.
Worship
therefore
be
resolved
that
finance
economic
development
committee
wave,
section
83,
subsection,
4,
a
procedure
by
law
to
receive
a
presentation
from
staff
with
respect
to
the
light
rail
transit
stage
1,
and
they
spent
with
requirement
of
staff
to
provide
a
separate
written
report
on
this
presentation
on.
A
A
Next
item
is
item
3
appointment
to
the
Bank
Street
BIA
nomination,
Costa
digestion,
delay
zone
demolition,
kvass
and
La
Rue
Bank
carried
appointment
to
the
kanata
central
business
improvement
area.
The
ministerial
consider
just
on
lessened
emulation,
preserved
with
salt
for
Canada
carried
an
item
Phibes
appointment
to
the
Wellington
West
Business
Improvement
area,
nomination,
consider
Josh
and
Anna's
own
demolition,
commerciale,
the
Wellington
West
carry
item
6
and
a
status.
Excuse
me
update
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
inquiries
for
the
period
ending
the
26th
of
January,
see
Corporate
Services
Department
at
excellent
decision.
A
D
A
C
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
whereas
a
portion
of
Stonehaven
Road
currently
included
in
line
23
document,
one
of
the
additional
infrastructure
funding
for
renewal
tax
supported
assets
report
was
previously
resurfaced
in
2017,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
portion
of
the
Stonehaven
Drive
that
is
proposed
to
be
reserved.
It's
on
line
23
of
document
1
be
changed
to
being
the
portion
between
furlong
present
West
and
Stone
Meadow
Drive
Thank
You.
Mr.
mayor
Hey,.
A
A
B
Thank
you.
So
my
name
is
Jonathan
Morris
I'm,
president
of
the
Britannia
village,
Community
Association.
So
that's
the
community,
that's
affected
by
by
the
floodplain
levee
I'm
here
to
request
that
the
motion
be
deferred
to
the
next
meeting,
the
reason
being
that
we
we've
only.
We
only
just
found
out
about
this
meeting
and
about
the
report
that
recommends
the
levee
and
the
issue
is
not
as
not
that
you
know
going
back.
The
the
levee
was
originally
proposed
back
in
not
proposed
voted
on
by
the
community
back
in
2006.
B
When
we
decided
to
in
order
to
have
the
floodplain
protections
put
in
place,
we
as
a
community
voted
to
pay
for
half
of
the
cost
of
that
of
that
berm.
That
was
put
in
place
at
the
time
that
was
for
$1,000.
We
agreed
to
pay
for
half
roughly
nine
$195,000,
it's
taking
12
years
with
the
boom
in
place,
during
which
time
the
cost
of
the
the
berm
has
has
changed,
but
we're
still
committed
to
paying
our
shared
$195,000.
That's
not
a
question
and
and
we're
you
know
if
it
happens
this
tax
year.
That's
fine!
B
Also.
This
report,
though
I
just
found
out
about
on
the
weekend
the
rest
of
the
community
hasn't
seen.
We
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
It
talks
about
how
that
hundred
ninety
five
thousand
dollars
is
going
to
be
portioned
amongst
the
residents
and
I
haven't
had
myself
a
chance
to
go
through
it
in
deep
detail,
but
you
know
a
handful
of
questions
have
merged.
C
B
B
F
F
C
Since
the
the
area
counts
or
suggestion,
there's
plenty
time
between
now
in
the
next
council
meeting,
and
that
will
give
him
enough
time
to
deal
with
this
issue,
and
next
council
I
think
would
give
the
council
enough
time
to
meet
with,
with
yourself
and
other
member
of
the
community.
I
really
have
to
defer
this
and
delay
it
more.
So
I
would
recommend
I
will
support
micarta
too
between
now,
and
the
next
council
meeting
should
give
enough
plenty
of
arms
in
there.
A
B
B
F
By
way
of
moving
forward,
mr.
mayor
may,
I
suggest
you
know
perhaps
a
middle
ground,
so
I'm
pretty
confident
that
if
we,
if
we
get
the
staff
in
the
room
with
mr.
Morris
and
other,
you
know,
affected
parties
or
interested
parties
between
now
and
counsel,
we
can
probably
answer
questions
if
we
get
to
counsel
and
and
we're
at
a
major
impasse,
I'm
happy
to
step
up
a
Council
and
ask
for
a
deferral
at
Council.
Okay,.
A
A
A
On
behalf
of
my
colleague,
Steven
blade
chair,
the
Transit,
Commission
and
Keith,
a
glide
share
of
our
Transportation
Committee
I,
want
to
welcome
you
to
fedko
today
will
receive
an
update
on
stage
one
of
our
light
rail
transit
system
plan
on
July
14th
2011.
Some
time
ago
now,
Ottawa
City
Council
in
the
historic
vote,
decided
unanimously
to
proceed
with
stage
1
of
LRT
now
known
as
the
Confederation
line
sit
in
decision
over
them
are
historic.
A
That
is
what
our
sisty
city's
transit
customers
can
plan
to
start
boarding
the
Confederation
Line
DC
la
fans
and
Wanda
no
vomiter
Dermody,
suite
no
key
owned
across
ball,
come
in
with
all
Moultrie
evolves,
Nouveau,
Nouveau,
trailer,
J,
Dilla,
special
Blair
and
estación
Connie's.
Following
my
remarks,
staff
will
outline
what
they
have
learned
with
their
ongoing
discussions
with
RTG.
This
includes
our
TGS
commitment
to
handover
the
system
to
OC
Transpo
on
November,
2nd
2018.
A
The
trains
will
move
into
full
customer
service
only
after
an
independent
safety
auditor
verifies
the
system,
safety,
reliability
and
readiness
for
public
use.
After
this
point,
OC
Transpo
oversee
the
commissioning
of
the
entire
system,
as
we
all
as
all
share
in
the
current
and
future
benefits
of
this
investment.
We
must
be
prepared
to
speak
frankly
about
the
challenges
that
have
led
us
to
setting
the
LRT
launch
day
roughly
six
months
later
than
originally
projected.
The
city's
understanding
is
that
the
Rideau
Street
sinkhole
proved
to
be
a
bigger
challenge
than
RTG
originally
thought
and
mr.
A
That's
12.5,
kilometers
of
environmentally-friendly
rail
from
Blair
roads
in
the
east
to
Tony's
pastures
in
the
West,
and
we're
not
done
yet
we're
working
flat-out
to
procure
stage
2
of
LRT,
which
will
create
an
even
more
economical
and
environmental
benefit
to
residents,
citywide,
Luca,
bio
diesel
care
for
paparangi,
Libya
and
Telangana
confidential,
and
on
ombres.
There
is
no
levy
Dawa.
Once
fully
operational,
yo
train
system
comprised
the
Confederation
Line
running
east-west
and
the
Trillium
Line
running
north
self
will
span
over
59
kilometers
of
rail
and
include
41
stations.
A
It
will
accommodate
up
to
24,000
people
per
hour
in
each
direction.
More
than
twice
the
number
of
people
OC
Transpo
serves
today
when
stage
two,
the
C's
o
train
system
opens
for
Revenue
Service.
In
2023,
approximately
70%
of
the
city's
population
will
be
within
5
kilometers
of
rail,
aligning
with
provincial
and
federal
priorities
on
environment
light
rail
transit
will
reduce
Ottawa's
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
at
least
200,000
tons
and
criteria.
A
Air
contaminants
by
more
than
5,000
tons
annually
by
2048,
we'll
be
stretching
to
go
farther,
bringing
the
benefits
of
transit
to
more
people
across
Ottawa
than
originally
anticipated.
The
Confederation
line
extensions
will
build
on
the
core
stage
to
scope,
adding
in
total
28
kilometres
of
electrified
rail
to
reach
Moody
in
the
West
and
baseline
in
the
southwest.
It
will
extend
through
the
downtown,
reaching
all
the
way
to
trim
load
in
Orleans
in
the
East
LRT
will
link
key
employment
nodes,
our
post-secondary
institutions,
retail
arts,
culture
and
recreation.
A
The
day
allows
you
allow
enrolled
the
motel
to
develop
Marc
anomic
denomination.
Our
premier
professional
convey
le
MA
in
AK
l,
ET
de
l'air
stage.
2
will
save
7.1
billion
dollars
in
commuting
costs
for
local
residents
and
will
generate
over
21,000
person
years
of
employment.
Today
you
will
hear
details
of
a
construction
and
our
contractual
relationship
to
protect
taxpayers.
You'll
also
be
reminded
that
any
cost
overruns
are
at
our
TGS
expense,
thanks
to
the
fixed
price
contract
negotiated
by
the
city
and
approved
by
counsel,
for
instance.
A
Contrary
to
what
some
have
suggested,
the
2018
budget
is
not
affected
by
the
six-month
delay,
because
any
additional
cost
to
operate
will
be
borne
by
RTG.
The
private
sector
staff
will
continue
to
carefully
monitor
the
project
schedule
to
ensure
Ottawa
residents
get
a
world-class
transit
system
that
is
safe.
Convenient
and
reliable.
A
Today
marks
a
significant
milestone
towards
realizing
our
transit
vision
for
ottawa's
future
in
ample
top
ramadasu
de
aquila,
come
to
the
address
on
VN
protege
glass
and
not
recalled
avec
leur
group
alta
che
sit
at
the
elegant
a
prefix
negotiate
a
Louisville
adopt
a
pelican
Samuel
spam
I'd
now
like
to
ask
staff
to
proceed
with
their
update
on
stage
one
of
Confederation
line.
I
believe
mr.
Mahoney
will
be
doing
the
presentation
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
Bonjour,
a
truce
Thank
You.
Mr.
president
city
staff
and
our
T
G
are
very
excited
and
focused
on
this
transformational
project
that
will
change
our
city
forever
and
I
remind
you
that
an
opening
day,
the
Confederation
line
will
be
the
busiest
LRT
in
North
America.
Mr.
mayor
members
of
committee,
there
are
three
principles
that
have
been
infused
in
all
our
discussions
with
our
T
G
and
you'll,
see
them
as
I
walk
through
this
deck
and
they're
all
equal
and
important.
G
The
first
is
that
we
have
reminded
RT
g
that
they
are
fully
required
to
meet
all
the
commitments
of
the
2.1
billion
dollar
investment.
The
second
is
the
safety,
and
the
reliability
of
the
system
is
paramount.
We
will
not
move
one
inch
on
that
and,
lastly,
the
protection
of
our
taxpayers
through
our
award-winning
p3
contract
will
be
front
and
center.
G
The
2.1
billion
dollar
light
rail
transit
project
runs
from
Tunney's
to
to
Blair
the
model
that
was
used
when
we
awarded
this
contract
was
called
a
an
AFP,
an
alternate
financing
procurement
model
and
what
that
does-
and
it's
foundational
to
everything
that
you're
going
to
hear
today
is
it
includes
designing,
building,
financing
and
maintaining
the
the
system.
It's
designed
to
allocate
the
construction,
a
geotechnical,
tunneling
schedule
and
financial
risk
to
RTG,
and
it
includes
a
30-year
maintenance
agreement
that
we
don't
talk
about.
G
But
after
the
system
is
in
operation,
there
is
a
30-year
maintenance
agreement
that
goes
over
to
a
firm,
that's
called
RTM.
The
contract
stipulates
a
revenue,
service
availability,
that's
RSA,
and
that
is
when
RTG
hands
over
the
completed
system
to
the
city.
So
it
can
decide
when
to
put
into
service.
G
Now
the
contract
required
that
RTG
confirmed
six
months
in
advance
of
the
May
24th
prescribed
date
in
the
contract
that
they
would
achieve
the
revenue
service
availability
date,
and
that
is
a
clear
notice
that
they
were
required
to
provide
to
us
on
November
24th,
advising
us
whether
or
not
they
would
achieve
that
date.
That
notice
period
allows
the
city
the
six
months
allows
us
to
prepare
and
deploy
the
train,
so
it's
fully
ready
and
therefore
public
to
use
reliably
now.
G
The
last
point
is
also
important
in
that
the
contract
does
have
provisions
for
the
consideration
of
a
revised
RSA
date
with
potential
financial
consequences
to
RTG
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
because
there's
some
questions
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
permitted,
and
it
is
now
what
does
revenue
service
availability?
Look
like
the
requirements
are
prescriptive,
they're
defined
in
the
project
agreement,
which
is
the
contract
and
they're
very,
very
clear,
and
we
are
going
to
stick
to
all
of
them.
G
The
first
one
is
the
things
that
you
can
see
feel
and
touch
it's
the
completion
of
all
the
fixed
components,
the
stations,
the
rail
lines,
the
catenary
system,
which
is
the
overhead
wiring
system
that
runs
electricity
to
the
vehicles,
the
mechanical
systems,
the
electrical
systems,
those
are
out
there.
You
can
see
them
every
single
day.
The
second
one
is
the
vehicle
completion.
We
need
34
vehicles
that
are
fully
tested
and
commissioned.
They
need
to
meet
the
Canadian
content
rules,
the
system,
integration
and
safety
certificates.
G
That's
everything
from
the
escalators
to
the
elevators
to
the
next
train
announcement,
the
control
room,
the
controls
on
the
trains
themself
ensuring
they
stop
the
thousands
of
times
that
they
do
every
day
at
every
single
location,
precisely
and
accurately,
the
safety
alarms,
the
fire,
alarms,
the
ventilation
systems,
the
emergency
subsystems
and
so
forth.
Those
systems
all
need
to
work
and
they
need
to
work
as
one
integrated
system
wide
system.
G
The
assurances
the
system
assurances
this
is
the
requirement
confirmed
by
an
independent
safety
auditor
safety
is
paramount
and
we've
made
it
very
clear
to
our
tgd.
We
will
ensure
that
safety
is
at
the
top
of
everything
that
we
do
and
there
is
an
independent
safety
auditor,
that's
independent
of
the
city
and
of
our
TG
that
comes
in
and
does
an
actual
certification
and
says
that
the
system
is
ready
to
go
and
is
safe,
busy
operating
requirements,
and
you
can
imagine
the
hundreds
and
thousands
of
pages
of
manuals,
emergency
response
plans.
G
I
know
some
of
you
have
asked
about
what
do
we
have
emergency
evacuation
plans?
Do
we
have
threat
vulnerability,
analysis,
those
all
need
to
be
done
and
certified
and
reviewed
and
accepted
by
the
city
and
the
safety
auditor,
and
then
there's
a
maintenance
readiness
once
the
system
is
launched,
there's
a
30-year
maintenance
agreement
with
RTM
and
we
are
looking
at
their
maintenance
regimes,
the
rehab
plans,
the
maintenance
equipment
and
personnel
ensuring
that
that's
all
in
place
so
that
we
can
continue
to
operate
the
system.
Now
the
Train
moves
into
full
service
from
Tunney's
to
Blair.
G
Once
these
four
things
occur,
the
full
testing,
commissioning
trial,
running
and
certification
are
completed
and
signed
off.
There's
a
lot
of
documentation,
thousands
of
pages
of
documentation
that
needs
to
occur.
The
independent
safety
auditor
signs
off
from
the
safety
of
the
system,
revenue
service
availability
is
met.
All
the
conditions
are
met
and
we,
the
city,
confirm
that
the
system
is
safe,
reliable
and
ready
for
public
use.
G
Now,
with
respect
to
the
RSA
dates,
you
will
recall
at
the
technical
briefing
RTG
informed
the
city
that
there
was
a
risk
that
the
system
would
not
be
ready
for
May
24th,
so
they
gave
us
what
I
described
as
a
conditional
RSA
notice,
and
we
made
it
very,
very
clear
to
them
that
that
RSA
notice
has
to
be
clear.
It
needs
to
be
achievable
in
their
minds
and
we
can't
have
any
additions
or
conditions
attached
to
it.
G
So
we
have
had
hundreds
of
discussions
with
our
TG
since
we
received
that
notice
and
that's
to
look
at
what
their
schedule
looks
like
what
the
revised
schedule
entails
and
the
impacts.
We've
also
brought
an
independent
third
party
specialists
who
have
designed
built
and
operated
rail
systems
and
gave
us
their
views
and
reviewed
in
detail.
The
construction
schedule
that
they've
put
forward
to
getting
us
to
today's
position
and,
of
course,
we
reminded
RTG
that
we
needed
to
come
to
fedko
to
share
with
you
the
RSA
date.
G
Now,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out,
RTG
has
given
us
written
notice
that
do
the
sinkhole.
They
believe
that
that
has
had
a
an
impact
on
their
construction
schedule
and
that
is
causing
the
construction
schedule
to
shift
and
as
a
result,
they
proposed
this
new
revenue
service,
availability
date
of
November,
2nd,
so
they've,
given
us
that
written
notice,
we
are
now
working
with
them
on
the
next
steps
and
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That
needs
to
be
done.
There
is
the
financial
consequences,
so
they
heard
loud
and
clear
for
myself,
the
city
manager,
mr.
G
crypts,
that
the
penalties
are
in
play
and
that
we
will
not
deviate
from
that.
There
is
a
revised
payment
schedule
that
we
need
to
map
out,
obviously
they're
stretching
out
their
activities,
and
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
payment
schedule
matches
that
and
they
will
only
get
paid
for
the
work
that
gets
completed
and
signed
off
by
the
city
and
any
other
adjustments
that
need
to
arise
from
the
ISA
availability
dates.
G
Now
the
train
goes
into
service,
as
I've
said,
based
on
safety,
reliability
of
the
operational
performance
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
pause
there
for
a
moment,
because
we
made
it
very,
very
clear
to
RT
G.
We
have
the
busiest
LRT
on
opening
day
and
we're
not
on
for
a
phased
opening
or
what
can
be
termed
as
a
degraded
service
opening
where
a
partial
service
level
commitment
is
made.
G
We
have
told
them
that
what
is
prescribed
in
the
project
agreement,
the
capacity
the
carrying
capacity
and
the
volumes
that
we
need
to
move
through
the
city
will
be
there
we're
not
on
for
a
system
that
is
almost
ready.
We
need
a
fully
completed
agree.
A
system
that
meets
the
project
specifications
there's
also
the
retirement
of
the
bus
and
operational
and
seasonal
considerations
that
we
need
to
factor
into
when
we
put
the
service
out
to
the
public.
G
There
will
be
many
discussions
and
there
have
been
many
meetings
with
our
partners:
police,
fire,
paramedics,
they're
important,
because
we
do
with
trial
events
with
them
and
mock
scenarios
to
ensure
that
everybody
is
ready
in
the
event
of
a
situation,
and
then
we
have
to
deal
with
the
the
detours
now
in
terms
of
putting
the
service
out
there
for
the
public
and
sharing
it
meets.
Everyone's
expectations.
The
while
RTG
has
been
very,
very
busy.
G
Osi
transfer
has
been
busy
for
the
last
four
years,
literally
doing
thousands
of
things
to
ensure
that
our
organization
is
transformed
and
ready
to
receive
the
train
and
run
it
really
well,
and
that
includes
everything
from
managing
our
employing
transitions.
We
have
a
layoff
that
we
need
to
manage.
As
you
know,
we
need
firm
dates
from
our
TG.
That's
why
this
is
important
that
we
have
clarity
in
a
world.
G
We
seem
to
be
doing
very,
very
well
there
we're
going
to
adjust
the
ones
that
have
some
issues
with
them.
Educating
the
public
are
ready
for
rail
campaign
needs
to
have
some
hard
dates
put
to
it,
so
that
we
put
out
the
information
and
timely
manner
to
your
office's,
to
the
public
and
to
our
customers
and
there's
a
wide
range
of
activities
behind
the
scenes
that
were
undertaking.
Now,
the
the
protection
of
the
taxpayer
is
important
and
we
have
an
outstanding
project
agreement.
G
G
There's
the
full
the
milestone
payments,
those
are
those
construction
payments
and
we
will
only
be
paying
them
for
the
work
that
is
done
and
then
there's.
This
third
bullet
is
very,
very
important.
There's
a
very
substantial
final
payment
once
RSA
is
achieved,
and
it
was
designed
that
way
to
ensure
that
whoever
the
proponent
is
in
this
case,
RTG
is
focused
on
achieving
not
only
achieving
RSA
but
achieving
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
RSA
a
date
of
the
things
that
I've
outlined
in
the
previous
slides.
G
We
will
not
be
issuing
monthly
maintenance
payments
to
our
TG
until
revenue
service
is
certified
and
then
we
also
have
control
of
our
payments
and
cash
flow
elements,
because
we
are
the
long-term
Malinda,
as
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
and
then
the
last
bullet
is
important
because
some
people
are
asking
is
that
that
we
do
have
step
in
and
other
rights
and
remedies
in
the
event
of
a
default,
and
we
are
not
in
that
situation.
I
can
assure
you
of
that,
so
our
commitments
is
Rideau.
G
Transit
group
will
not
receive
additional
financial
compensation
for
a
late
project
completion.
To
put
that
bluntly,
we
will
not
be
rewarding
them
for
being
late
and
we've
made
that
clear
to
them.
We
will
only
accept
delivery
of
a
safe
and
reliable
system,
and
I
will
emphasize
that
reliability
over
and
over
again.
It
needs
to
pass
all
of
the
trial
running
and
all
of
the
system
assurances
that
are
built
into
and
prescribed
through
the
project
agreement.
G
No
transfer
of
risk
back
to
the
city,
we
used
a
p3
model
for
a
reason.
We
wanted
the
risk
to
reside
with
the
proponent
and
that
risk
belongs
with
our
T.
G
they've
been
paid
a
premium
to
have
that
risk
and
it
will
stay
there
with
them
and
all
requirements
of
the
project
agreement
must
be
met,
including
quality,
reliability,
train
capacity,
station
designs,
etc,
and
to
make
that
real
for
everyone.
G
G
So
the
city
has
every
expectation,
barring
any
unforeseen
event
or
an
act
of
God,
or
something
like
that
that
the
Rideau
Transit
Group
will
achieve
the
November
2nd
date.
This
is
their
date
and
they
need
to
be
focused
on
ensuring
they
put
the
resources,
the
capacity
and
the
oversight
to
making
the
novus
in
November
2nd
date.
G
We
will
be
in
a
position
to
put
the
trains
into
service
during
the
month
of
November
sometime
on
the
condition
that
they
achieve
foe
compliance
with
the
contractual
requirements
and
a
construction
schedule
is
going
to
be
carefully
monitored
by
staff
and
the
completion
dates.
As
we
approach
them,
we
will
look
at
service
to
update
windows,
we're
going
to
identify
those
adjust
them
and
communicate
them
when
we
can
confirm
them.
So,
in
terms
of
our
commitments,
the
taxpayer
is
protected
and
the
responsibility
and
risk
will
has
resided
will
continue
to
reside
with
Rito
transit
group.
G
Read
of
transit
group
will
face
various
financial
consequences
of
late
delivery.
The
project
agreement
and
we're
lucky
that
we
have
a
very
good
project
agreement
will
serve
as
a
framework
for
the
city
to
seek
any
direct
cost
from
the
contractor.
We're
going
to
carefully
monitor
the
project
schedule
and
we're
going
to
determine
and
communicate
the
date
when
our
transit
customers
can
start
using
the
Confederation
date
approaches
Thank,
You
Missy.
Mr.
loop
is
done
great.
A
D
You
very
much
mr.
Maron,
thank
you
mr.
franconi,
and
your
team
for
the
hard
work
you've
been
doing
over
the
last
many
years
and
for
the
presentation
this
morning.
Obviously,
for
some
time,
both
the
the
proponents
and
and
our
team
have
had
confidence
in
the
original
date,
which
obviously
has
slipped.
So
what
process
have
have?
Has
your
team
gone
through
to
give
you
the
level
of
confidence
you
have
in
this
in
the
new
November
in
the
November
day?
Can
you
expand
upon
that
a
little
bit
for
us.
G
But
we
wanted
that.
What
that's
the?
What
we
wanted
to
know
the?
How
so,
how
were
they
going
to
achieve
that
date
and
I
can
tell
you
from
a
construction
perspective.
Those
are
some
straightforward
things.
Those
are
resources,
equipment,
materials
where
the
complexity
resides
is
and
on
the
train
control
systems,
all
those
systems
that
talk
to
each
other,
and
so
we
did
a
deep
dive
with
them
in
a
workshop
format
to
understand
their
schedule
and
to
understand
how
they're
going
to
bring
extra
capacity
and
resources
to
meet
that
date
for
a
November.
G
D
You
with
the
introduction
of
LRT
there
is
a
what
I
would
call
significant
fleet
retirement
that
has
to
happen
at
the
same
time.
Are
those
older
buses
going
to
be
putting
the
maintenance
through
the
summer
and
early
fall
maintenance
of
the
bus
fleet
into
greater
level
of
jeopardy
and
how
will
that
affect
the
availability
of
those
buses?
And
then,
obviously,
how
do
you
calculate
any
residual
costs
associated
with
that
increased
maintenance
on
all
our
buses
so
that
those
costs
can
be
transferred
to
a
RTG.
G
We
think
we're
five
minute,
but
that's
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
right
now,
we're
looking
at
any
and
all
incremental
costs,
I
think
on
the
bus
fleet
itself.
We
should
be
fine,
we're
scaling
back
we're
not
doing
any
major
refurb
on
those
buses
and
so
forth,
and
so
we
only
need
to
do
the
maintenance
to
ensure
that
they're,
safe
and
reliable.
But
if
there
are
any
incremental
costs,
we'll
certainly
look
look
at
that
it
will
be
the
you
know.
The
extension
is
the
summer
period,
so
that's
beneficial.
G
If
a
winter
I'd
be
a
little
bit
more
worried
about
the
bus
fleet
and
I,
don't
think
I
will
have.
Maybe
the
treasurer
could
comment
but
I
don't
think
I'll
have
a
major
impact
on
the
residual
cost,
because
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
money
for
for
the
bus
fleet
once
it
retired.
So
it's
virtually
zero
on
those
buses
because
we
run
them
into
the
ground
by
the
time.
They're
done
sure.
D
Yeah
I
think
that's
where
I
was
getting
at.
If
these
buses
are
just
about
to
be
retired,
our
need
to
maintain
them
over
the
summer
into
the
fall,
you
know
more
parts,
more
time,
etc.
Our
costs
to
do
that
might
might
go
up,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
calculate
the
difference
in
what
we
thought
typical
bus
gets
versus.
These
older
buses
might
get
transfer
that
already.
D
One
of
the
challenges
that
we
face
during
construction
has
been
the
Imperial
impact
of
people
in
terms
of
transit,
detours
and
traffic
detours,
and
how
it's
linked
to
the
other
infrastructure
projects
we
have
on
the
go
so
I
guess.
My
question
is:
does
this
new
date
impact
other
infrastructure
projects
that
are
currently
ongoing
or
plan
to
have
started
and
been
time
for
LRT
completion
in
2018
and
how
does
that
affect
our
traffic
detours
and
patterns
for
for
residents
over
this
coming
year?.
G
So
now
that
we're
an
integrated
transportation
department,
I
have
all
the
labors
in
one
spot,
so
mr.
Landry
is
looking
at
all
that
and
his
task
is
to
work
with
mr.
GaN
Xie
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
impacting
or
causing
two
things
more
disruption
than
we
need
or
compromising
delivery
of
annuals
projects
other
projects.
So
at
the
city,
okay,.
D
E
You,
mr.
man,
thank
you
and
mr.
man
coming
for
the
presentation.
I
just
want
to
understand
the
financial
consequences.
A
little
more
I
do
remember,
early
on
in
this
process
being
told
that
they
really
would
not
be
late,
because
the
financial
impacts
were
significant.
So
maybe
mr.
okona,
if
you
could
just
remind
us
what
penalties
are
in
that
contract
and
what
triggers
them
and
I
was
interested
in
what
mr.
E
C
E
C
Is
the
only
and
a
penalty
is
probably
the
wrong
word?
Liquidated
damages
in
the
contract,
the
treasurer
and
the
general
manager
of
already
spoken
to
previously
the
variety
of
other
financial
implications
that
canalize
with
RTG
as
a
result
of
not
making
that
date.
But
it's
that's
not
for
legal
to
comment.
G
H
So
that
means
it's
coming
out
of
their
own
pocket
number
one.
The
second
piece
is
that,
while
they're
extending
the
date,
they're
actually
incurring
all
the
labor
costs
and
all
the
other
costs,
they
didn't
anticipate
to
have
over
a
six-month
period
that
they
should
have
ended
on
May
24.
So
that's
a
direct
cost
to
them.
H
So
we
need
to
take
the
word
penalty
out
of
it
number
one
they
have
paid,
or
they
will
be
paying
a
penalty
of
a
million
dollars
right
off
the
bat
because
they
missed
May
24th.
If
they
miss
the
next
date,
they
pay
another
million
dollars
and
the
money
that
they
were
counting
on
getting
on.
May
24th
is
now
redistributed
over
a
six-month
period,
significant
carrying
costs
at
no
expense
to
the
city.
So
it's
it's.
H
H
I,
don't
think
so
me,
we've
discussed
that
I
mean
that
might
be
something
that
that
legal.
We
have
step-in
agreements.
We
are
the
long-term
lender.
We
have
protections
against
that
and
we're
more
where
they're
at
and
I
think
part
of
the
discussions
that
we're
having
right
now
is
to
ensure
that
they
have
enough
cash
flow
to
meet
their
obligations
over
the
summer
and
that's
why
we're
going
to
discuss
with
them
and
when
those
payments
will
be
we're
not
giving
them
additional
money.
H
There's
a
set
amount
of
money
that
has
to
be
paid
from
now
till
they
finish,
which
was
supposed
to
be
May
24th
that
set
amount
of
money.
It
just
redistributed
the
same
amount
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
so
they
will
get
their
money
be
able
to
meet
their
obligations.
So
we
don't
want
to
force
them
and
that's
why
we're
having
that
discussion
into
a
position
where
they
have
no
cash
flow
from
now
till
November,
because
I
think
that
will
put
them
in
jeopardy.
E
G
We're
mapping
all
those
that
there's
some
that
are
trade
off
each
other,
so
the
payments
I'm
not
going
to
be
giving
to
RTG
for
their
maintenance
because
of
the
delay
that
will
cover
our
carrying
costs
for
the
bus
service
to
continue
in
that
staff,
the
vehicles
and
so
forth.
There
are
the
costs
of
things
such
as
the
detours
keeping
the
rail
office
going.
G
We
have
double
costs
because
we
have
operators
they're
being
trained
on
the
rail
system
and
still
running
buses,
so
we've
explained
that
all
to
RTG,
because
they
have
double
carrying
costs,
also
they're
in
the
same
boat.
So
those
are
all
those
incremental
costs
that
we're
going
to
be
mapping
out
and
we're
going
to
use
the
project
agreement
to
to
leverage
the
the
costs
back
to
RTG.
E
G
July
first
date
in
the
budget
was
a
conservative
estimate
that
myself
and
the
treasurer
put
in
when
we
were
doing
the
budget.
Last
year
we
gave
ourselves
a
bit
of
a
buffer.
Yes,
that
one
month
window
is
enough
time
in
November,
and
but
they
need
to
make
sure
that
they
get
to
the
November
2nd
and
it's
clean
and
everything
that
I've
outlined
in
a
deck
they
achieve.
So
we
do
have
enough
time
if
they
make
it
to
November
2nd,
as
prescribed
in
the
agreement.
Okay,.
G
Knowing
what
we
know
right
now,
there's
nothing
that
looks
like
it
puts
stage:
2
construction
at
risk,
they're
intertwined
when
they
go
into
service,
but
they're
not
in
terms
of
getting
to
a
contract
award
stage.
2
would
start
in
earnest,
I
think
q1
of
2020
or
2019.
So
there's
nothing
that
we
know
right
now.
That
would
compromise
that.
Okay.
E
G
That
can
be
determined
as
a
minor
deficiency,
but
doesn't
impact
their
safety
or
reliability
of
the
system.
There
are
some
organizations,
particularly
when
they're
doing
what
are
called
Greenfield
developments,
whether
you
know
there's
a
line
they're,
putting
a
suburban
area
that
doesn't
have
the
volume
that
we
have
that
are
prepared
to
take
that
one
of
the
redundant
elevators
isn't
working
or
so
forth.
G
We're
not
on
for
that,
because
we
have
such
high
volumes
at
our
stations,
so
we've
signaled
to
them
that
all
the
critical
components
have
to
be
working,
and
so
really
it's
minor
minor
deficiencies.
If
there's
some
work,
they
need
to
do
in
a
parking
lots
and
some
landscaping.
Some
touch-ups,
some
tiles
that
need
to
be
adjusted
those
types
of
things,
but
nothing
of
significance
that
affects
safety
or
reliability,
and
there
are
workarounds
you
can
do
on
on
certain
things.
But
we're
not
too
receptive
for
that,
because
we
have.
E
You
have
any
reason
to
be
concerned
about
the
safety
of
the
workers
in
the
tunnel
or
the
system
because
of
the
delay
and
because
our
TG
is
pushing
so
hard
like
I've
heard
they
hire
these
people
come
pushers,
they're,
actually
there
to
get
this
done
and
they're
pushing
really
hard,
and
you
know
the
tunnel
talk
and
I
hear
that
people
are
concerned
about
the
pushers
are
pushing
so
hard
that
they
think
there's
a
compromise
of
safety.
Do
me,
I
knew
where
that
that's
a
concern
was
being
expressed
and
then
you're
concerned
about
that.
So
I.
G
Two
things
I've
heard
all
comments.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
media
coverage
over
that.
What
we
chose
to
do
was
rather
than
just
hear
the
noise
we
meet
with
mr.
McCain
II
on
a
monthly
basis
with
myself.
Mr.
crips
and
mr.
Antonio
strategy
is
the
CEO
and
mr.
McKenna
has
direct
access
to
me
and
mr.
crypts
on
any
safety
issue
that
he
hears.
We
will
escalate
that
to
mr.
Estrada.
G
The
second
point,
I
want
to
make
very
clear
is
that
RT
g
owns
the
risk,
and
that
includes
all
the
safety
compliance
associated
with
us,
so
the
Ministry
of
Labor
deals
with
them,
they're
the
constructor
and,
as
mr.
O'connor
will
emphasize,
we
do
not
want
to
bleed
into
that
environment
at
all.
We
need
to
be
aware
of
it,
and
so
what
we
did
is
I
thought
was
very
innovative.
We
connected
up
where
the
concerns
were
coming
from
and
mr.
McKenna
was
very
candid
and
he
was
doing
his
job
raising
some
issues.
G
We
put
him
right
in
front
of
the
CEO
of
RTG
and
we,
while
we
can't
force
our
TG
to
do
anything,
we
are
we're
Ministry
of
Labour
when
they're
in
the
tunnel
or
any
part
of
the
construction
site.
Mr.
McKinney
has
been
very
positive
in
the
last
two
meetings
where
he
has
not
brought
any
issues
significance
to
us
or
to
mr.
Estrada's
attention.
I
know
the
minister
has
been
down
there
and
so
forth.
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
eyes
out
there.
Yes
r2g.
G
So
no
we
throttled
down
when
we
there
was
some
concerns
about
November,
we're
going
to
refresh
it
and
we're
going
to
push
push
forward
on
it.
Once
we
get
these
dates,
all
locked
in,
we
don't
see
any
major
incremental
costs.
There
will
be
a
bit
of
an
extension,
but
we'll
add
that
to
the
list,
if
there
are
incremental
costs
and
pass
that
on
to
our
TG
Thank.
E
H
Mayor
may
I,
just
I
need
to
correct
one
thing
for
the
record.
The
$1,000,000
liquidated
damages
only
applies
if
they
miss
the
November
2nd
date.
My
apologies
because
they
did
send
us
the
new
RSA
letter,
even
though
we
because
we
allowed
them
to
extend
it
past,
January
24th,
they
don't
have
to
pay
on
liquidated
damage
for
missing
the
May
24th
date,
so
they
would
only
pay
it
if
they
missed
the
November
2nd
date.
Ok,.
B
Thank
you,
your
worship
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
this
update
today.
Can
you
just
talk
about
whether
the
November
2nd
date
was
negotiable,
whether
it
was
RTG
that
came
to
you
and
say
it's
going
to
be
November,
2nd
or
whether
you
sat
down
with
them
to
looked
at
the
remaining
work,
the
variables
at
play,
and
whether
or
not
you
could
have
suggested
an
earlier
date
that
still
met
safety
and
some
of
the
other
major
issues
in.
G
This
environment
we
are
not
on
for
nor
do
I
recommend
that
we
negotiate
a
date
with
them.
It's
up
to
them.
They've
been
paid
a
hefty
sum
of
money
through
the
p3
contract
to
assume
all
and
every
risk
associated
with
this
project,
they're
obligated
to
bring
the
date
to
us.
The
May
24th
was
the
only
prescribed
date
we
had
and
we
do
not
want
to
be
owning
the
date
they
own,
the
date
that
they
own
the
responsibility
and
the
accountability
to
come
forward.
G
B
G
B
Some
of
my
colleagues
had
talked
about
cost
that
we
were
not
expecting
to
incur
after,
let's
say,
July
first,
some
revenues
that
we're
expecting
with
the
LRT
opening.
On
time
we
talked
about
this
during
OC
transpose
budget
hearing
we
were
expecting
mr.
Menken,
you
talked
about
a
net
increase
in
ridership
that
there
would
be
a
writer
ship
bump
when
the
LRT
opened.
So
there
were
revenues
that
we
are
expecting
to
incur.
Let's
just
say,
mid-year.
B
You've
identified
that
there
are
ongoing
FTE
costs,
because
there's
a
net
increase
of
staff
that
we
were
anticipating
to
to
shed
once
we
switch
from
some
of
the
buses
to
trains,
staffing
costs
other
costs.
Why
aren't
those
included
in
the
contract?
Because
you've
just
said
there
were
some
offsetting
costs
with
payments
that
don't
have
to
be
made
that
offset
some
of
the
increased
costs,
but
why
weren't
they
specifically
identified
in
the
contract
to
cover
the
city's
risk
to
cover
the
city's
cost?
Should
the
project
not
meet
its
original
handover
date.
G
So
the
contract
had
what
I've
described
in
the
in
the
deck
the
the
levers
to
to
to
recover
those.
Now
we're
using
the
project
agreement
as
the
framework
to
recover
those
costs.
We
will
autumn
I
love
those
and
to
answer
your
question
directly:
that's
not
how
p3s
work
what
they
basically
do
is
they
outline
the
risks
they
put
in
all
of
the
incentives
to
ensure
that
they
me
those
dates.
You
can't
anticipate
anything,
but
why
this
contract
is
award-winning.
Is
that
that
tunnel
risk
was
their
fun
center
and
they
own
that
tunnel
list.
G
G
The
treasurer
and
I
were
discussing
that
we,
we
think
we're
going
to
add
up
all
of
those
elements
and
we'll
bring
something
forward.
We
have
other
things
that
we
need
to
bring
to
we're,
not
sure
working
with
the
Sarah
Connor,
which
committee
there's
the
severance
cost
that
we've
always
said
we're
outside
of
the
this
whole
process.
We
need
to
bring
that
forward
to
you,
so
we're
mapping
all
that
out
and
we'll
bring
that
forward.
G
B
You
and
my
final
question
that's
been
asked
by
councillor
Dean's
and
I
believe
bleh,
but
just
to
clarify
this
has
come
up
in
my
community
as
well.
You've
clarified,
sir,
that
the
there's
no
impact
to
Phase
two
is
with
respect
to
the
construction,
but
can
I
just
ask
after
today
to
get
a
list
of
all
the
work.
That's
already
happening
with
phase
two
which
the
delay
of
phase
one
really
does
not
have
any
impact,
but
just
to
illustrate
to
the
public
all
the
work
that's
already
happening.
B
It's
not
impacted
by
a
delay
to
the
opening
of
phase
one
that
we're
not
supposed
to
start
we're
talking
about
closing
the
Trillium
Line
in
2020,
that's
still
over
two
years
away,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
me
all
the
good
work.
That's
already
happening
with
phase
two,
so
people
know
that
it's
not
impacted
is
that
possible.
G
Yes,
we
can
give
you
a
high-level
document.
We
just
need
to
be
careful
were
in
procurement
phase
right
now,
but
you
know
things
such
as
the
4:17
widening
and
all
those
things
that
are
bundle
with
that
will
be
proceeding.
There's
nothing
indicating
right
now
that
this
is
going
to
compromise
us
and
that
with
that,
so
I'll
get
that
mr.
swell,
to
give
you
a
high-level
summary
so
that
you
have
that
Thank.
C
C
Contingency
and
I
guess
one
of
the
things
just
in
response
to
what
counsel
of
Washington
was
asking
about
the
construction
of
the
contract.
We
actually
have
at
this
start
that
we
established
a
risk
register
which
identified
what
we
thought
were
all
potential
risks
and
put
a
dollar
cost
against
them,
and
so
the
delay
was
one
of
those
potential.
Not
meeting
me.
24Th
was
one
of
those
risks,
so
that's
built
into
the
risk
register,
and
then
we
use
the
contingency
to
fund
on
most
of
those
costs.
So
we're
good,
told
November
what
the
existing
continuity
will.
C
Are
you,
anticipating
we'll,
have
to
revisit
that
at
there's
extensions
beyond
November
I
would
imagine
we
would,
but
just
to
let
you
know
the
contingency
there's
a
lot
of
items
in
there.
That
won't
be
settled
for
probably
at
least
a
year
out
from
actually
going
into
service,
because
there's
a
lot
of
the
variations
where
we're
determining
the
value
with
the
RTG,
what
it's
cost
them
and
what
we're
going
to
pay
and
so
on.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
still
has
to
go
into
before.
C
C
The
concern
I
had
when
I
first
started
hearing
about
the
delay
would
be
that
to
avoid
penalties
or
costs,
or
rush
to
complete
that
somehow
safety
may
get
sacrificed
in
this
and
whether
it's
the
testing
for
safety
or
safety
protocols
being
put
in
place
for
when
it's
running
and
I'm
getting
from
what
you're
telling
us
but
I'd
love
to
hear
it
from
a
direct
question.
Can
you
assure
us
and
the
citizens
that
the
safety,
testing
and
measures
will
not
be
negatively
impacted
by
this
delay
that
we
will
still
keep
a
robust
protocol
going
there.
G
G
Well,
one
of
the
things
of
any
system:
I
cannot
guarantee
100%
performance
and
the
train
system
will
go
down
like
any
other
major
city
and
around
the
world.
But
when
I
list
all
those
hundreds
of
activities
that
we've
been
doing
behind
the
scenes,
we
have
an
ulti
Matt's
building
out.
What's
called
a
bus,
bridging
program,
which
is
when
the.
G
Confederate,
so
that,
while
that
disruption
is
affecting
the
service,
you
can
still
move
people
and,
as
I've
described
it
to
everybody,
whether
it's
Toronto
New
York,
City,
Paris,
wherever
when
their
system
goes
down,
you
have
the
exact
same
situation
there.
People
will
choose
to
either
get
out
and
jump
on
those
detour,
buses
or
they'll.
Go
use,
uber
taxi,
walk
bike,
all
those
things
and
yes,
it
will
be
challenging
and
difficult
because
we
carry
a
lot
of
volumes.
But
we
have
you
put
together
a
comprehensive
plan
with
the
information.
G
C
C
Councillor
hire
is
not
here
today,
but
we've
had
good
conversations
that
she's
experiencing
the
same
thing
routes
that
we
anticipated
a
couple
minutes
delay
at
most
are
now
talking
we're
getting
reports
back,
that
there
are
half-hour,
45
minute
delays,
so
we're
you
know,
we've
more
than
doubled
the
commute
time
for
people.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
do
anything
about
that?
If
this
is
going
to
delay
into
November,
because
to
ask
people
to
go
through
that
for
a
whole
year?
G
A
great
question
know
of
all
the
hundreds
of
moves
that
we've
done
on
bus
routes.
We
have
some
out
there
that
are
experiencing
some
some
pain
and
you
are
I,
know
councillors,
rally,
I,
know,
Council
harder
and
mr.
scrimshaw
I
believe
is
behind
me
today
him
and
Troy
charter.
How
about
that
list?
And
the
mission
is
to
fix
it
now,
irrespective
of
what's
going
on
with
the
LRT
PS,
we
need
to
take
care
of
those
customers
and
see
what
we
can
do
and
then,
hopefully
that
fix
it
so
that
the
the
pain
is
reduced.
C
Yes,
mr.
chair
first
off
Eleanor
sure
the
committee
that
there
is
no
renegotiating
of
this
contract
in
light
of
what
has
taken
place
and
if
I
can
link
members
back
to
mr.
Mahoney's
technical
briefing
in
December,
which
is
when
we
first
brought
forward
this
issue.
The
pyram
excuse
me
on
November,
24th
RTG
was
required
to
provide
us
with
notice
of
the
RSA
date
at
that
point
in
time
they
provided
us
with
a
letter
that,
in
our
opinion,
in
our
engineers,
opinion
in
our
professional
opinion,
a
legal
opinion.
C
They
figuratively
our
estimate,
rly
approximately
said
we're
going
to
meet
the
May
24th
date,
subject,
of
course,
to
delay
events
and
other
things
in
the
contract.
Now,
in
very
very
simplistic
terms,
staff
could
have
said
at
that
point:
that's
great,
we'll
let
everything
go
and
if
you
miss
it
on
May
24th
on
May
25th,
you
all
as
a
million
dollars.
We
do
monitor
this
contract.
We
are
looking
at
it
and
we
knew
at
that
point
in
time.
It
wasn't
in
the
city's
best
interests
just
to
play
a
wait-and-see
game.
So
mr.
C
man,
Kony
and
his
team
were
very
engaged.
We
did
not
believe
from
a
legal
perspective
that
that
noticed
to
us
on
November
24,
24,
22nd
22nd
was
compliant,
so
we
wrote
back
and
told
them
that
and
engaged
in
these
discussions,
because
what
we
are
seeking
is
very
much
a
realistic
date
that
we
can
inform
both
committee
and
council
on
in
how
to
proceed
but
know
there
has
been
no
redoing
or
adjusting
the
contract
at
this
point
in
time.
Mr.
Callum
Salim
is
pregnant
with
Portland
Avenue
survey
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him.
F
C
C
In
other
words,
we
get
the
keys
so
to
speak
from
RT
G
and
then
there's
a
delay
between
then
and
when
we
can
open
the
door
to
the
public,
and
you
talked
about
the
reliability
and
the
safety
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
paint
us
a
bit
of
a
picture,
though,
in
a
bit
more
detail
than
your
presentation,
so
you
get
the
keys
on
November
the
second.
What
do
you
and
your
team
then
do
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
system
is
going
to
be
Y
of?
C
More
importantly,
it's
going
to
be
safe
when
it
opens
on
whatever
that
date
is
later
November.
So,
what's
walk
us
through
the
steps
that
you'll
be
taking
to
assure
us
that
the
system
we're
going
to
get
when
you
hand
that
piece
of
paper
to
mr.
Cantor
lacus
is
a
system
that
is
going
to
be
is
going
to
be
reliable
and,
and
it's
the
same
more
importantly,
it's
going
to
be
safe
for
all
the
users.
G
First
and
foremost,
there
should
be
absolutely
no
surprises
on
the
system:
reliability
in
the
system,
safety
because
we're
there
for
the
trial
running
with
them.
We,
the
trains
that
you
see
going
up
and
down
the
line
right
now.
Those
are
our
operators
in
those
vehicles,
so
we've
been
in
there
since
those
trains
are
running.
G
So
all
of
that
will
have
been
completed
and
if
I
can
use
the
analogy
back
to
a
new
house,
you're
moving,
you
know
you
get
the
keys
to
your
house,
you
don't
immediately
have
the
mover
they're
moving
in
within
an
hour
you're
in
there
you're
getting
familiar
with
it.
You're
checking
all
the
systems
you're
thinking
about
where
you're
laying
out
your
furniture,
all
those
things.
G
So
there's
that
familiar
ization
of
the
system,
because,
while
our
operators
will
be
out
there,
we
also
have
other
people
that
need
to
be
looking
at
it,
we'll
be
doing
some
trial
and
some
mock-up
scenarios
with
customers
and
so
forth
to
triple-check
all
of
the
systems.
So
really
it's
the
the
system's
been
turned
over.
It's
fully
compliant
safety,
reliability
of
all
those
issues.
G
We
have
a
clear
line
of
sight
on
the
minor
deficiencies
that
councillor
Dean's
was
talking
about,
and
our
staff
are
fully
aware,
mobilized
and
into
the
system
and
ready
to
go
for
for
launch.
So
there
should
be
no
surprises
there
in
terms
of
what
what
needs
to
be
done
and
then
we're
practicing
and
reproducing
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
everything
perfect.
So.
C
G
The
thing
that
keeps
us
up
at
night
in
terms
of
what
the
focus
needs
to
be
is
the
system
integration
we
we
have-
and
this
is
you
know,
a
world-class
system
when
I
say
that
it's
because
the
sum
of
the
parts
make
it
that
you
have
a
great
builder,
you
have
a
great
vehicle.
The
Alstom
seduce
is
a
fantastic
vehicle.
G
You've
seen
it
out
there,
we
have
a
talus
control
system
there,
world
leaders
in
that
regard
and
all
those
systems
associated
with
the
controls
on
where
those
trains
go
and
how
they
stop,
and
they
lows
in
the
capacities
that
they
have
to
do
are
working
and
all
of
those
back
office
systems,
give
the
customer
a
intuitive
outstanding
experience
when
they
enter
into
those
stations
and
get
onto
those
trains
and
go
and
do
the
reverse
going
home.
So
the
system
integration
is
the
piece
to
watch
and
safety,
compliance
and
reliability.
It's
those
three
buckets
thanks.
H
H
Just
two
further
on
you
said
that
the
system
will
be
compliant,
and
that
includes
system
integration
and
automation,
which
I
understand,
is
the
complexity
of
the
system.
Will
you
be
testing
that
between
November,
2nd
and
30th,
or
do
you
expect
that
is
it
RTG
to
deliver
it?
Is?
It
is
compliant
the
software
systems?
The
electronic
systems
are
working
well
talking
to
each
other.
It's.
G
It's
all
on
them,
however.
What
we've
done
here-
and
it's
it's
very
innovative-
is
that
we
have
been
part
of
the
journey
with
them
in
terms
of
we've
infused
staff
into
the
testing
and
commissioning
process
much
earlier,
then
you
typically
do
some
jurisdictions
choose
to
wait
and
see,
and
you
get
the
keys
handed
over
to
your
new
house.
We've
chosen
not
to
do
that
were
there
with
them
as
partners,
so
we're
in
the
we're
looking
at
that
that
all
of
the
requirements
to
meet
those
obligations
of
testing
and
commissioning
rests
with
them.
G
They
go
through,
what's
called
a
pre-trial
phase,
so
they're
running
and
debugging,
and
then
they
need
to
meet
a
certain
set
of
criteria.
It's
a
fixed
number
of
days
that
they
have
to
run
uninterrupted
meeting
certain
minimum
requirements
and
it's
a
pass
or
fail
within
that
once
they
get
through
that
trial
running
period,
those
prescribed
days
in
a
prescribed
criteria.
That
means
they've
passed
through
all
that
and
the
safety
auditor
can
sign
off
if
he
or
she
is
pleased
with
everything.
C
H
Xerton
a
damaged
key
shear
Levis
possibility
that
cost
ball
Canada
dust
doses
set
are
given
mother
testing.
It's
a
two
rail
system.
I
think
it
falls
under
the
jurisdiction
of
Transport
Canada,
but
they
have
signed
over
some
responsibilities
to
our
city.
What
are
the
responsibilities
of
Transport
Canada
within
that
November
testing
period?.
G
Transpo
Cadell
PO,
the
disinterest
on
said
that
support
in
allocation
is
new.
Donella
responsibility
is
on
delegated
authority,
a
level
on
a
responsibility
d'ivoire
in
the
audits,
safety
audits,
their
power,
Transport,
Canada
Japan,
the
pyramid
see
small,
a
do
small
telepresence.
We
poke
corrector
x
over
cheeky.
So
me
it's
a
point
that
is
saying
like
that.
Con
come
on,
let's
service
at
the
revenue.
H
G
No,
that's
I,
don't
believe
they're
interested
in
the
RSA
date.
We
will
triple
check
that,
of
course,
but
there's
nothing
that
I've
seen
or
heard
that
they're
interested
in
that
they're
interested
in
compliance
audit
of
the
delegated
authority
to
the
city
and
then
last
mr.
O'connor.
To
comment
on
that
because
he's
been
leading
the
hiring
of
the
independent
safety
otter.
Now.
C
That's
correct
mr.
mayor,
as
part
of
the
process
from
a
couple
of
years
ago,
council
delegated
to
the
hiring
penalty
Authority
to
interview
individuals
to
take
that
very
important
post
of
the
compliance
officer.
We
are
currently
trying
to
lap
out
that
initiative
right
now
and
we're
hoping
to
have
within
the
next
few
weeks
an
announcement
for
Cal
salamat
Thank.
H
H
G
Mehra
need
to
clarify
there
will
not
be
testing
in
November
that
the
testing
occurs
way
before
that
and
that
RSA
date
of
November
2nd
means
they've
gone
through.
All
of
the
testing
and
the
safety
auditor
has
signed
off
on
that.
So
we're
not
in
testing
mode
in
November
the
system's
ready
to
go
they're
handing
it
over
to
us
we're
doing
our
final
checks
and
and
familiarize
ation,
and
things
like
that
and
double-checking
things
and
agreeing
on
the
minor
deficiencies
testing.
H
So
maybe
I
could
find
out
a
little
bit
more
offline
or
counseled,
or
my
colleagues,
what
we'll
we'll
be
doing
in
in
November.
You
I
use
the
word
testing
you
use.
The
word
check
in
seems
to
me,
but
acknowledge
the
the
bulk
of
it
will
be
done
in
November.
We
could
be
tempting
winter.
What
are
the
plans
if,
if
there
is
a
an
early
winter
in
November,
in
terms
of
running
parallel,
LRT
bus
keeping
the
detours
in
place
keeping
the
buses
running
on
on
the
417?
H
G
We
don't
have
the
exact
dates
mapped
out
now
that
we
do
we'll
mount
that
out
and
that's,
irrespective
of
whether,
in
the
event
that
the
system
went
down
in
the
first
couple
of
days
or
so
forth,
we
didn't
want
to
leave
our
customers
hanging,
so
we
will
run
parallel
service
for
for
a
few
weeks
at
with
respect
to
overlaying,
either
the
potential
of
winter
or
an
early
winter.
One
of
the
things
in
my
slides
I
talked
about
a
maintenance
regime
and
a
maintenance
plan.
G
Rtm
has
filed
a
comprehensive
maintenance
plan,
there's
a
whole
section
dedicated
to
winter
maintenance
that
focuses
not
just
on
traditional
winter
maintenance,
but
we've
shared
with
them
winter,
climate
data
and
so
forth.
So
freezing
rain
events.
What
are
they
going
to?
Do?
We
thrown
a
bunch
of
scenarios
at
them
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
we've
also
done
comparators
with
other
jurisdictions
that
have
winter
climates.
You
may
recall:
Boston
went
through
a
very
difficult
winter.
G
H
F
Mr.
McCarney
already
indicated
we
work
very
closely
with
transportation
services
in
terms
of
coordinating
all
of
our
works,
so
basically,
the
information
that
we
have
right
now
is
being
taken
into
consideration
in
terms
of
the
works
that
are
planned.
Even
when
we
plan
to
work,
those
impacts
are
already
being
paid
felt,
so
those
are
elements
that
we
already
built
into
measure
or
planning
and
coordination
process.
If
there's
things
that
do
come
up.
Basically,
we
work
very
closely
together
to
make
sure
that,
basically,
we
minimize
the
impacts
to
the
residents
and
to
traveling
public
okay.
H
F
H
Just
further
to
councillor
blocking
Tain's
questions,
it
is
the
impact
on
stage.
2
is,
is
very
important
and
I
will
be
interested
to
find
out
exactly
what
the
impacts
are.
Belfast
yards
in
my
ward
is
phase.
2
Construction
is
already
underway
and
imagine
is
not
impacted
by
this
date
at
all,
so,
but
the
the
Domino
impacts
are
important.
Thank
You
mr.
Mann
Coney,
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you.
C
Yes,
thank
you.
Many
of
the
questions
have
now
been
covered
by
my
colleagues.
I'll
be
the
fourth
or
maybe
the
fifth
to
ask
about
phase
two.
Quite
specifically,
though,
I
recall
that
during
various
briefings
over
the
past
year
or
so,
and
even
a
discussions
here
at
committee,
there
was
something
to
the
effect
of
taking
advantage
of
the
expertise
that
is
here
in
the
city.
With
the
existing
frequently.
You
know,
international
companies
who've
been
doing
this
kind
of
work
for
a
while
and
that
we
would
want
to
take
advantage
of
that
as
we
move
to
Phase.
C
Two
I
cannot
recall
if
that
was
purely
for
the
design
phase
or
whether
there
was
any
kind
of
a
commitment
or
perhaps
just
our
hope
that
we
would
take
advantage
of
them.
Can
you
remind
me
whether
there
are
any
contractual
agreements
with
companies
that
are
the
consortium
as
a
whole
or
companies
that
are
part
of
the
consortium?
G
Yes,
there's
and
that's
why
I
believe
is
no
impact.
It's
a
great
question
and
so
the
Alstom
trains
have
been
ordered
for
stage
2,
so
that
orders
have
been
placed
the
Belfast
yard
that
councillor
Uche
was
just
talking
about.
The
expansion
is
already
underway.
You
can
go
see
the
superstructure
it's
already
in
place
there,
the
there's
numerous
discussions
with
Tallis,
because
we
want
the
consumed
controls
on
stage
2.
G
So
that's
going
on
with
the
stage
2
team,
so
we
have
ortc
RTG
all
those
sub
companies
within
that
consortium,
they're
engaged
they're,
they're
active
and
the
bidding
process
and
so
forth
and
where
we
went
with
the
direct
appointments,
we've
already
done
that.
So
that's
why
the
risk
to
stage
2
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
anything
out
in
terms
of
the
construction
element,
the
key
things
that
we
needed
to
move
on,
we've
moved
on,
and
that
was
the
vehicles
and
the
expansion
of
the
to
the
yard,
which
has
clearly
been
moved
forward.
G
C
You
I'm
glad
they
like
Ottawa
I,
do
too
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
we
like
them?
Do
we
like
them
enough
to
continue
with
them
and
that's
really
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
If
we
reach
the
point
where
either
there
is
an
insolvency
and
I
know,
that's
remote,
but
it's
always
there
our
relationship
deteriorates
as
we
try
to
bring
this
to
a
close.
Are
we
locked
into
anything
that
we
might
regret
so.
G
The
short
answer
is
no,
but
I
do
want
to
comment
on.
Do
we
like
them?
If
you
look
around
the
world
or
just
North
America,
and
look
at
web
projects
of
this
complexity,
our
parking,
the
sinkhole,
which
is
a
major
event.
We
are
the
envy
of
the
industry
in
terms
of
how
this
project
has
been
prepared.
The
consortium,
that's
at
the
table,
the
vehicles
that
you're
getting
the
controls,
the
the
state-of-the-art
stations
and
so
forth.
So
we
we
are
very
engaged
with
that
RTG.
G
We,
while
there's
been
some
challenges
there
always
are
they've
done
a
phenomenal
job
of
stepping
up
to
the
challenge
of
that
sinkhole
and
the
product
that
we
get
at
the
end
is
what
everybody's
got
their
focus
on,
because
it
it
will
transform
the
city
forever
in
a
very,
very
positive
way,
not
just
from
the
mobility
but
from
an
environmental
and
economic
development,
a
intensification
and
so
forth.
Everything
at
the
mayor
spoke
about
in
his
opening
comments.
C
I
think
that's
very
much
the
case,
I'm
glad
that
we're
only
now
whatever
it
might
be.
Nine
months
out,
ten
months
out
when
we
are
facing
a
possible
delay,
because
I
think
of
many
projects,
just
in
North
America
alone,
we're
way
earlier
in
the
process,
they
were
already
talking
a
year
or
two
delays
and
massive
cost
overruns.
C
G
Have
no
indication
and
no
concerns
that
they
will
become
insolvent;
there's
nothing
indicating
that,
like
the
obvious
that
they're
fully
engaged
there's
people
here
over
my
left
that
are
involved
in
the
stage
2
negotiations.
Mr.
Gilbert,
maybe
I'll
get
him
to
comment
he's
involved
in
p3s
around
Canada.
Maybe
he
can
just
jump
in
and
give
his
perspective
on
stage.
There's
no
concerns.
There's
nothing
signaling
to
us
that
this
organization
is
in
any
way
of
any
problems.
Thank.
F
You
mr.
Antonio
I
think
that's
correct
the
to
date,
the
widow
transit
partnership
has
not
given
us
any
indication.
I
think
the
significant
equity
dollars
that
they
all
have
at
risk
is
something
that
buttresses
us
from
that
concern.
That's
in
many
multiple
millions
of
dollars
of
equity
that
they
have
in
this
project
that
they
will
never
want
to
put
a
risk.
In
fact,
they
were
looking
anxiously
toward
the
equity
returns
that
they
will
achieve
from
the
30-year
maintenance
contract
for
the
entire
expanded
system.
C
G
C
G
What
you're
getting
at
counselor
note?
So
that's
at
market
right
now,
so
the
vehicles
have
been
purchased,
the
expansion
has
been
purchased,
the
Confederates
and
West
is
out
for
market
and
this
consortium
can't
bid
on
that.
They've
been
excluded
from
that
because
they
have
other
parts
of
it:
the
maintenance
agreement
and
the
vehicles
and
so
forth,
and
but
that's
out
an
active,
the
bidding
process
right
now,
there's
three
bidders
that
are
being
assessed
that
have
been
shortlisted
and
then
the
north
south
extension
is
also
in
market.
C
G
D
Thank
You
mr.
Mehra,
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
presentation.
I
just
had
a
few
questions
of
clarification
on
the
financial
elements
and
I
guess
in
my
mind,
I've
trained
them
into
three
categories.
There's
the
issue
of
the
penalties.
There's
the
issue
of
the
increased
cost
to
RTG
as
a
result
of
the
deferred
payments
and
the
two
hundred
million
dollar
completion,
payment,
etc.
And
then
the
third
category
of
financial
costs
is
the
impact
to
the
corporation,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
questions
have
been
asked.
D
H
D
And
I
guess
we're
a
little
bit
confused
and
puzzled
on
that
point.
Is
staff
provided
some
written
answers
to
some
questions
that
I
put
to
them
at
the
end
of
the
year,
which
were
were
very
helpful?
Let
me
just
read
a
couple
of
sentences
from
the
staff
response.
As
of
January
11th.
At
no
time
have
staff
agreed
to
revise
the
revenue
service
availability
date,
nor
have
they
agreed
to
relieve
our
qiji
from
any
of
the
financial
consequences
that
can
flow
should
rqg
fail
to
meet
the
RSA
dates
set
out
in
the
project
agreement.
D
So
the
way
I
read
that
as
of
January
11th
staff
were
saying
they
have
not
agreed
to
revise
the
RSA
date
and
they
have
not
agreed
to
relieve
RTG
from
the
penalties
given
that
they
didn't
meet
that
date,
as
set
out
in
the
project
agreement,
did
something
change
between
January
11th
and
today,
where
by
staff
have
now
agreed
to
renew
RSA.
Did.
H
Mr.
mayor,
the
questions
that
the
council's
referred
to
a
polls
to
me
and
the
response
that's
being
read
is
my
response,
so
I
like
to
provide
an
opportunity
to
clarify
how
it's
being
interpreted
because
the
the
process
was
on
November
twenty-fourth.
As
you
heard
from
a
legal
team,
we
were
to
receive
a
letter
six
months
in
advance,
may
24th
confirming
the
date
or
not.
If
they
didn't
give
us
a
letter
made
on
November
24th,
they
were
required
to
give
us
a
letter
by
January
24th
with
a
new
date.
H
They
gave
us
a
letter,
May
24th,
which
was
conditional.
We
didn't
accept
that
letter
and
we
asked
him
to
give
us
a
letter
on
January
24th.
This
memo
was
written
on
January
11th,
On,
January
24th.
They
asked
us
for
an
extension
because
they
were
still
doing
a
detailed
review
of
their
schedule.
They
want
to
ensure
that
they
gave
us
a
date
that
they
were
comfortable
from
they're
comfortable
with
they.
They
got
that
extension.
We
agreed
to
that
extension.
H
The
counselor
has
repeatedly,
through
his
questions,
basically
been
interpreting
this
to
mean
that
the
city
is
somehow
concurring
with
the
date
and
I
repeatedly
have
been
saying
that
that
is
a
wrong
interpretation.
We
have
not
been
comparing
with
any
dates
us.
The
RSA
date
is
a
date
that
RTG
is
required
to
give
to
the
city
under
the
project
agreement
they
gave
us
that
date
did
we
go
in
and
look
at
their
schedule.
Mr.
McCarney
say:
did
we
do
due
diligence
to
feel
comfortable
with
what
that
date
is,
so
that
we
don't?
H
We
don't
receive
a
date
that
that
we
believe
they
we
can
push
back
on.
Yes,
of
course,
we
did.
We
have
to
do
that
due
diligence
to
be
able
to
give
a
counsel
confidence
that
we
believe
that
they
are
right.
November
2nd
is
correct,
but
we
have
no
obligation
to
concur,
agree,
support
or
anything
regarding
any
date.
They
give
us
it's
on
them,
and
the
p3
agreement
will
structure
that
all
the
risk
is
on
men.
D
Mr.
mayor,
you
can
excuse
me
for
my
confusion.
If
may
24,
28
een
was
the
revenue
service
availability
date
set
out
in
a
project
agreement,
after
which
the
contract
was
clear,
that
a
penalty
of
1
million
dollars
could
be
applied.
Should
that
date
not
be
met
and
I
had
a
memo
in
front
of
me
that
says,
staff
have
not
agreed
to
relieve
RTG
from
any
of
the
financial
consequences
that
can
flow
should
arc
eg
fail
to
meet
the
Revenue
Service
availability
dates
set
out
in
the
project
agreement.
D
Unquote,
you
can
excuse
me
for
being
a
little
bit
confused
as
to
give
them
at
the
RSA
date.
We've
been
informed
has
now
been
moved
and
given
that
there
is
no
intention
of
applying
the
1
million
dollar
penalty
as
a
result
of
the
postponement
of
the
RSA
date
again,
I
think
there's
a
reason
to
want
to
understand
exactly
for
what
reason,
what
the
rationale
was,
and
there
may
be
a
very
good
one.
D
H
Mr.
mayor,
it's
incorrect
staff
have
not
made
decision
not
to
apply
the
million
dollars
and
I'm
going
to
ask
our
legal
team
to
reference
the
parts,
the
PA,
the
project
agreement
that
allow
RT
g
to
give
us
a
new
date
under
the
contract,
which
then
creates
the
new
milestone
date
of
which
the
penalty
would
apply
if
they
should
miss
the
new
date.
So
legal.
Could
you
please
clarify
that
the
precondition
on
May
24th
is
that
they
give
us
a
new
letter
with
the
new
date,
therefore,
which
changes
the
penalty.
F
F
Apologies
I'll
start
again.
Mr.
Cadillac
is
link
is
given
a
very
good
description
of
both
what's
going
on
factually
and
what
occurs
under
the
agreement.
To
the
extent
it's
helpful
for
anyone.
There
is
a
specific
section
of
project
agreement
which
deals
with
this
at
section
26.7,
but
again,
I
think
mr.
cadillacs
is
given
of
your
very
good
description
of
what's
going
on.
D
F
D
F
D
F
I
apologize,
I
missed
the
second
half
of
that
question,
but
I'll
try
to
address
it.
Nevertheless,
the
million
dollar
penalty
is
really
keyed
against
notice
being
given
when
RSA
is
going
to
be
achieved,
I
think
as
mr.
Cadillac
esand
mr.
Manku
named
mr.
O'connor
have
explained.
An
original
letter
received
in
November
was
conditional.
The
city
then
worked
with
with
RTG
to
establish
a
letter
that
was
received
yesterday,
which
confirms
an
RSA
date
from
RTG
of
November
2nd.
If
that
date
is
now
not
met,
that's
when
the
million
dollar
liquidated
damage
applies.
F
If
that
date
is
revised,
that's
when
that
million
dollar
liquidated
damage
applies,
and
there
also
bears
noting
that
there
is
an
ultimate
long
stop
date
in
this
agreement,
which
is
one
year
following
the
RSA
date.
That's
when
Revenue
Services
can
be
achieved.
Otherwise
you
enter
the
world
of
defaults
under
the
agreement.
Okay,.
D
D
D
But
it's
been
acknowledged
that,
as
a
result
of
the
fact
that
I
teach
you
will
not
be
meeting
the
reality
and
the
contract
the
costs
incurred
by
the
city,
oh,
that
we'll
be
included
by
the
city,
both
on
the
increased
cost
side,
so
from
running
buses
longer
and
all
of
the
various
factors
that
Mister
main
Pony
outlined
and
also
on
the
revenue
side.
There
were
expectations
of
a
bump
in
ridership,
which
are
now
not
going
to
occur.
I
was
a
bit
confused
by
the
treasurer's
answer.
D
G
D
There
was
a
suggestion
that
that
would
come
out
of
the
project
contingency
or
is
that
no
that's
coming
out
of
a
separate,
so
that
will
be
is
that
in
the
project
agreement?
So
if
you
provide
an
itemized
list
of
the
reduced
revenue
and
the
increased
cost,
you
hand
it
over,
then
they
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
pay
you
every
penny.
Lesser.
What's
the
process
under
the
contract.
G
So
the
contract
is
is
clear
on
we
control
milestone
payments
and
that
RS
a
big
payment
at
the
end
of
the
the
process
and
so
forth.
We
have
told
RTG,
where
itemizing,
all
those
things
we're
going
to
sit
down
and
work
with
them,
and
we
will
use
every
and
all
tools
of
elbow
disposal
through
the
project
agreement,
including
the
milestone
payment
adjustments.
If
we
have
to
and
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
on
how
we
recoup
those
costs.
G
But
the
important
thing
is
that
we
are
making
every
attempt
to
ensure
that
we
recoup
every
one
of
those
and
the
project
agreement
sets
out
the
framework.
There's
multiple
things
in
there
that
we
can,
we
can
leverage,
liquidated,
damages,
there's
the
milestone
payments
and
then
there's
the
maintenance
agreement,
payments
that
they're
not
going
to
be
getting
including
profit
and
so
forth.
Okay,.
D
Neither
questions
or
legal
I'm,
just
let
I
understand
in
the
case
where
RT
G
says
well
actually
city
belle,
although
we're
not
really
interested
in
reimbursing
you
for
your
additional
costs
in
your
lost
revenue.
Are
there
specific
clauses
in
the
contract
that
speak
to
the
requirement
of
Arc
eg
to
reimburse
the
city
for
increased
cost
and
lost
revenue
due
to
an
extension
of
the
RSA
to
the.
F
F
Mcoy
describes
it
as
the
framework
of
the
project
agreement
will
be
used
as
between
the
parties
to
discuss
the
impacts
and
the
direct
cost
that
the
city
is
facing
as
a
result
of
these
delays,
and
ultimately,
all
of
that
leverage
and
discussion
will
take
place
and
the
framework
the
project
agreement
will
lead
the
parties
to
a
result
that
ultimately
I
think
is
mr.
Mahoney's
indicating
the
city
will
have
to
be
a
hundred
percent
comfortable
that
it
has
on
balance
achieved
the
right
result
with
those
costs
should.
D
F
The
project
agreement
again
provides
a
wonderful
framework
for
that,
in
that
there
is
an
entire
schedule
that
deals
with
disputes
amongst
the
parties
and
the
process
under
which
both
parties
will
proceed
to
resolve.
Those
disputes,
including
senior
level
management,
discussions,
mediation,
arbitration
and,
ultimately
other
remedies
that
you
might
expect
in
a
dispute
resolution
context.
And
so
it
will
be
free
for
either
RTG
to
take
a
different
position
or
the
city
ticket
of
a
position.
But
thankfully
the
agreement
does
provide
the
framework
to
resolve
those
disputes.
G
One
of
the
things
you
want
to
do
is
ensure
that
the
cash
flow
continues
to
flow
to
the
proponent,
but
that
you're
not
paying
them
for
work
that
they
have
not
completed,
and
that's
that
LGG
knows
that's
our
position.
That
will
continue
to
be
a
position,
there's
a
redistribution
of
the
payments
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
how
we
map
that
out.
As
part
of
the
ongoing
discussions
that
we
have
right
now,
including
that
RSA
date
milestone
payment.
That
I
told
you
about
in
terms
of
the
incentive
for
them
to
complete
that
and.
D
G
C
Remember
many
other
questions.
Admin
answered
just
want
to
go
back
to
start
time
for
phase
2.
Obviously
you
know
you're
quite
confident
that
there's
no
delay
to
the
start
time,
but
we're
singing
six
months
of
unanticipated
delay
for
a
phase
one.
Will
that
translate
in
any
way
in
the
completion
time
frame
for
Phase
two?
No,
it
won't
counselor
I
worked
it.
C
What
type
of
the
updates
will
be
provided
and
I
guess
for
the
remaining
portion
from
phase
one
and
also
from
Phase
two
as
we
move
forward
like
well,
it
will
keep
coming
to
ventral
for
reports
and
the
add
the
timeline
where
it
will
be
every
month
or
every
two
months
has
haven't
been
set
at
this
time.
Yes,.
G
We're
going
to
continue
with
that
quarterly
report.
We
have
one
coming
out
for
for
year-end
shortly.
All
of
the
governance
continues
to
report
to
fedko
on
stage
one
and
stage
two
you've
approved
all
that,
including
the
administrative
functions
in
terms
of
the
governance,
the
executive
steering
committee
and
so
forth.
Great
if.
C
G
C
G
D
Thanks
very
much
mr.
mayor
and
certainly
I
think
it's
been
a
very
interesting
thoughtful
discussion
today.
Just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
things
with
the
new
RSA
in
November.
Is
the
six-month
clock
restart?
When
are
we
going
to
get
a
notice
in
May
or
early
June
of
the
six-month
for
the
new
RSA,
and
is
there
an
additional
allowance
now
for
them
to
change
that
RSA
to
date
again
with
it,
while
avoiding
the
million
dollars.
F
No,
there
isn't
provision
for
a
further
notice
of
to
confirm
the
November
2nd
date.
The
notice
that
the
city
received
yesterday
is
the
notice
of
the
RSA
date
to
address
the
second
part
of
the
question.
It's
now
that
the
the
million
dollar
liquidated
damage
payment
is
is
in
play
if
that
date
changes
that
that's
when
the
million
dollar
liquidated
damage
is
painful,
perfect
and.
D
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
liquidated,
damages
penalties,
etc.
I
think
what
it
boils
down
to
is
people
want
to
know
what
the
consequences
are.
Certainly
their
consequences
to
residents
in
delay.
What
are
the
consequences
to
the
proponent
in
the
delay,
I
kind
of
look
at
how
I
you
know
discipline
my
son
I
can
ground
him.
I
can
put
him
on
a
timeout
I
can
not
give
him
his
allowance.
I.
Rarely
ask
him
to
give
his
allowance
back
to
me
and
so
I
guess
you
know
to
steal
a
line
from
Denzel
Washington.
D
H
Thank
mayor,
thank
you,
the
council,
for
the
question,
because
I
think
that
you
know
we've
been
focusing
on
the
word.
Penalties
and
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
all
the
principles
that
mr.
Mahoney
presented
that
this
is
a
p3
agreement,
where
the
risk
is
clearly
on
the
private
sector
proponent,
to
bear
the
risk
of
the
cost
of
this
project
and
we're
focusing
on
penalties.
But
these
companies
bid
on
this
project
of
their
three
large
international
companies.
Alessandro
Gatos
has
an
s
and
C
level
and
three
huge
companies.
H
They
bid
on
the
project
to
make
profit
and
they
didn't
nonprofits
and
they
didn't
bid
other
projects
just
to
do
the
citizens
of
Otto
a
favor.
They
have
built
into
a
profit
margin
into
their
proposal.
They
built
that
profit
margin
the
basis
that
they'd
be
complete
by
May
24th
when
they
miss
May
24th.
The
real
consequence
to
them
is
that
they
don't
get
their
equity
payments.
They
don't
get
money
to
pay
their
interest
costs.
H
They
don't
receive
their
maintenance
payments
which
they
count
on
to
be
able
to
pay
their
interest
costs
and
the
equity
to
the
shareholders.
They
have
to
maintain
construction
costs,
so
all
those
people
you
see
working
on
the
site
for
another
five
to
six
months.
They
have
to
pay
them
there
to
pay
the
overtime,
all
the
materials.
Everything
that's
out
there
that
to
continue
paying
that,
so
they
are
being
hit
in
their
pocketbook
for
each
day.
H
That
goes
by
past
May,
24th
that
they
can
off
the
profits,
so
the
real
consequence
to
them
is
they
make
less
profit
than
they
otherwise
would
have,
and
they
and
they
that
happens
to
them,
because
they
assumed
the
risk,
including
paying
for
the
sinkhole.
The
city
hasn't
put
a
penny
into
the
sinkhole,
which
is
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
to
repair
all
those
300
cement.
Trucks
that
showed
up
in
that
24
hour
period
were
all
paid
by
rqg
of
the
consortium.
All
the
costs
to
repair
the
sinkhole
were
all
paid
by
them.
H
So
what
we
got
in
return
for
the
premium
we
paid
in
the
contractor
premium.
I
should
say
the
the
way
the
contract
was
structured.
Is
we
got
a
guarantee
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
taxpayers
wouldn't
be
accountable,
responsible,
have
to
pay
for
things
that
go
bump
in
the
night,
like
a
lake,
a
sinkhole
or
like
a
construction
delay,
all
those
calls
fall
back
to
the
consortium
and
that
eats
into
their
profits,
and
that
is
the
significant
consequence
to
them
that
hurts
more
than
any
penalty
we
can
put
in
because
they're
not
getting.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
So
it's
it's
it's
safe
to
assume
and
the
the
the
impacts,
the
financially
the
profit
loss.
The
impact
to
the
direct
costs
to
fix
the
sinkhole
and
everything
you
just
described
described
is
exponentially
greater
in
your
understanding.
Of
these
things,
exponentially
greater
than
the
million
dollar
are.
H
Well,
it's
significant.
The
million
dollars
is
that
was
you
know
that
was
written
in
the
contract.
You
know
years
ago
when
it
was
done,
but
the
the
contract
basis
is
Allah
Foundation.
Now
they
they
paid
for
the
risk
we
paid
for
the
risk.
I
guess
is
a
better
way
to
put
it
and
it's
exponentially
greater
we're
talking
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
of
consequence
to
the
bottom
line
and
just
think
about
it.
E
Just
have
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
as
a
result
of
their
conversation,
the
first
one
is
I
mean
you
talked
about
the
costs
of
the
sinkhole
and
they're,
bearing
that.
So
we
have
no
concern
or
no
fear
whatsoever
that
when
all
is
said
and
done,
they
won't
litigate
to
try
and
recover
some
of
the
costs
from
the
municipality
of
that
sinkhole.
H
Right,
there's
mister
mayor
there's,
you
know,
there's
dispute
mechanisms
in
the
contract
that
have
been
anticipated
in
case
they
disputed.
They
are
Sharon's
claim
for
the
sinkhole
and
I
would
imagine
that
that
that
discussion
with
insurance
agent
and
their
insurance
company
will
determine
whether
they
wish
to
seek
any
damages
from
the
city.
But
the
two
reports
that
we
both
have
conducted
independent
reports
that
we
conducted
show
that
it
wasn't
the
fault
of
the
city
that
the
sinkhole
happened.
H
So
we
think
they
have
a
very
weak
case,
we'll
put
this
back
in
the
city
when
they
happen
to
be
tunneling
in
the
exact
spot,
with
a
sinkhole
hop,
and
so
is
there
a
possibility?
What
we
had
talked
about
when
we
were
discussing
this
in
our
own
internal
team,
is
that
there's
you
know
the
contract
prevents
someone
from
filing
a
claim
that
they're
starting
litigation
against
the
city?
Absolutely
not.
We
can't
account
for
that,
though
we
believe
were
well
protected
in
terms
of
the
various
things
that
weren't
supposed
to
okay.
E
E
F
E
E
H
E
H
They
said
May
24
conditions
to
delays,
event,
claims
etc.
So
our
lawyers
said
that's
not
good
enough.
We
said,
give
us
a
letter
with
a
specific
date
which
they
were
required
to
do
by
January
24
leading
up
to
January
24th.
They
asked
us
for
more
time
to
prepare
the
letter
I
agreed
to
that,
and
then
they
gave
us
the
letter
yesterday.
E
H
H
Would
only
they
would
only
they
would
only
pay
the
liquidated
damages
if
they
gave
us
a
date
and
then
actually
missed
the
date.
So
if
they
said
May
24
and
then
they
missed
May
24,
they
tolls
money
on
May
25th
so
that
it
doesn't
get
triggered
by
the
fact
that
they
gave
us
or
didn't
give
us
a
letter.
But.
F
What
the
project
agreement
says
is
180
days
in
advance.
They
have
to
give
notice
of
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
achieve
May
24
28
een.
If
they
don't
give
that
that
notice,
then
they're
deemed
to
have
given
notice
that
they
will
not
meet
May
24
28
een,
in
which
case
there's
that
an
obligation
to
provide
a
subsequent
notice
of
when
that
RSA
date
will
be
and
that
subsequent
notice
was
received.
Yesterday.
E
So
on
November
24th,
I'm,
sorry
that
maybe
I'm
just
thick
but
on
November
24th,
they
gave
a
notice
that
conditionally
May
24th
they
will
be
ready
to
hand
over
the
system.
City
said
no
we're
not
accepting
that,
and
so
they
came
back
yesterday,
February
5th
and
said
we're
changing
the
date
to
November.
But
so
they
didn't
have
180
days
when
they
actually
provided
us
firm
number
and
yet
that
still
meets
the
obligations
under
Section
27
26
7.
A
Thank
You
girls
go
sir
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
It
was
a
very
thorough
presentation.
I
think.
The
bottom
line
that
I
got
out
of
this
presentation
is
that
staff
very
much
understand
their
responsibility
to
ensure
that
the
city
and
the
taxpayers
remain
whole
that
they
believe
that
we
have
a
realistic
date
of
handing
over
the
system
to
the
city
on
November,
2nd
with
passenger
boarding
by
the
end
of
November,
and
that
RTG
takes
on
complete
and
full
responsibility
for
any
cost
overruns
as
set
out
in
the
agreement.
So
thank
you,
mr.
A
Mann
Coney
and
mr.
Cana
lacus
and
the
similac
and
mr.
crypts,
and
our
staff
from
legal
for
their
thorough
presentation.
Information
previously
received
is
before
you
notice
the
motion
for
consideration
of
subsequent
meeting,
and
then
he
noticed
the
motion
remedy
written
inquiries,
other
business
adjournment
carried.
Thank
you
now
see.