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Finance and Economic Development Committee - 3 May 2022
Agenda and supporting documents available at www.ottawa.ca/agendas
H
Hello,
hello:
everyone
welcome
to
the
finance
and
economic
development
committee
meeting
for
the
third
of
may.
H
Do
we
have
quorum?
Madam
coordinator,.
H
D
H
Councillor
tierney
present
and
vice
chair
dudax
and
the
vice
chair
has
sent
her
regrets.
Declaration
of
interest
declaration.
H
The
ottawa
hospital
civic
campus
plan,
we'll
come
back
to
that.
We
have
presentation,
community
and
social
services,
service,
socio
and
community
och,
redirect
ottawa
community
housing
corporations,
property
tax
savings
and
update
on
cmhc
investment
loan
to
ottawa
community
housing.
This
is
a
standard
we
do
this
every
year.
I
think
wendy,
I'm
not
mistaken.
I
J
H
Okay,
designating
affordable
housing
projects
at
92
florence
in
255
and
256
saint
denis
street,
as
municipal
capital,
housing
facilities
exempt
from
property
taxes
and
exempt
extending
the
muslim
capital
facility
designation
of
ottawa
community
housing's
corporate
corporate
head
office
at
39
aruga
drive
gary
finance
services,
conservation
authorities,
2022
levies,
erin
kerry,
innovative
client
services,
community
partners
insurance
program.
We
have
one
delegation,
yeah
hold
on
item
office
of
the
city,
clerk
status,
update,
fedco
motions
received.
K
H
F
Well,
I
would
this
is
a
very
important
green
space
and
recreation
space
for
stittsville
residents
and
many
people
who
live
around
the
stittsville
area
as
well,
and
I
just
quickly
like
to
thank
derrick
moody
and
the
real
estate
in
creo
and
his
colleagues
for
their
dog
determination
to
bring
this
to
the
finish
line.
What
they
have
negotiated
with
the
property
owner
is
a
very
good
deal
for.
Taxpayers
also
would
like
to
thank
previous
councillor,
chad,
cadre
and
janet
stavinga.
F
H
Great
well
well
done
on
the
motion
carried
brownfield,
grant
application,
115,
champaign,
avenue,
south
kerry.
H
Okay,
that's
ground,
grant
application,
1040,
somerset
street
west
mary
okay
is
councillor
moffat
on
yet
council.
You
have
a
an
item
that
you
want
it
waived
on.
Are
you
prepared
to
do
that
now.
H
You
ever
know
on
waving
of
the
waving
the
item
on
the
agenda
carried.
L
Thank
you.
So
it's
it's
the
better
homes
loan
auto
program,
which
is
incredibly
popular.
So
we
need
to
make
some
adjustments
to
account
for
its
popularity.
L
In
order
to
meet
the
projected
demand
of
the
program
and
whereas
staff
reports
back
to
council
annually
in
all
borrowings
and
rates
achieved,
and
whereas
loans
through
this
program
are
secured
by
a
cost
recovery
mechanism
through
priority
liens
on
properties
via
the
local
improvement
charge
mechanism,
thereby
minimizing
potential
financial
risk,
the
city
and
where
our
staff
will
continue
to
report
back
to
council
with
a
program.
Evaluation
report
therefore
be
resolved.
L
That
the
finance
technology
development
committee
recommend
that
council
direct
staff
to
implement
an
additional
30
million
dollars
in
loan
capital
for
the
better
homes,
ottawa
loan
program
by
way
of
debentures
capital
financing
or
other
allowable
financial
financing
options.
Pursuant
to
the
missile
act,
2001
based
on
whichever
option
represents
the
most
cost-effective
method
available
at
the
time
of
borrowing
to
be
repaid
by
property
owners
and
that
the
chief
financial
officer
treasurer
be
authorized
to
execute
any
agreements
to
implement
the
additional
program.
Capital.
H
Any
questions
the
staff
or
the
mover
councilman.
A
No
questions
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
mover
and
thank
you
to
staff
who've
really
done
a
great
job
unveiling
this
program
they've
run
pilot
pro
programs
within
some
communities.
The
uptake's
been
fantastic,
and
this
is
something
that
works
really
well,
because
it's
a
minimal
cost,
of
course,
but
also
retrofits
represent
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
move
fast
on
when
it
comes
to
to
climate
change.
A
Our
building
emissions
are
one
of
the
biggest
contributors
so
to
our
to
our
greenhouse
gases,
and
then
transportation,
of
course,
is
up
there
so
great
program
and-
and
I
just
thank
the
mover
for
it,
and
also
staff
for
all
their
work
on
on
this
program
and
getting
them
unveiled.
Thank
you
mayor.
K
I
am
I'm
commenting
because
I've
had
initially
in
this
program
a
couple
of
complaints
from
people
that
caused
me
to
speak
with
don
herwire
about
the
level
of
staffing
that
enviro
center
had
put
towards
this
program,
which
was,
as
you
said,
extremely
as
counselor
moffat
said
extremely
successful.
I
just
want
to
ask
staff:
are
you
confident
now
that
they
have
the
proper
staff
component
signed
up
to
this
very
important
project?.
D
It's
it's
janice
ashford
here
I'll,
take
a
crack
at
answering
that
question.
I've
been
the
one
managing
that
you're
responsible
for
designing
the
program
and
because
of
the
early
uptake
that
was
higher
than
expected,
staff
took
a
little
envirocenter
who's.
D
Our
delivery
agent
took
some
time
to
get
staffed
up
themselves
to
meet
the
level
of
demand,
the
higher
level
of
demand
than
we
had
predicted,
but
but
now
they
have
developed
systems
and
have
brought
on
staff
in
order
to
meet
the
new
expectation
and
the
the
intake
rate
has
also
leveled
off
to
a
point
of
of
what
that's
manageable.
So,
yes,
I'm
confident.
K
That's
good
because
it
was
clear
that
with
just
one
person
assigned
to
it,
it
wasn't
sufficient
and
I
and
I
even
wondered
about
the
due
diligence
on
the
choosing
of
the
winning
projects.
If
you
will
so
that's
really
good
news
to
hear.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
All
right,
thank
you,
counselor,
so
on
the
motion
carrie
adopted.
E
H
Yes
and
our
first
item
that
we
have
delegations
for
is
the
ottawa
hospital
civic
campus
financial
framework,
local
share
contribution,
we'll
have
a
staff
presentation
by
our
treasurer
and
then
roger
greenberg,
the
chair
of
the
fundraising
campaign
and
cameron,
love
the
president
hospital
will
speak
and
then
we
will
open
it
up
for
questions
and
comments.
So,
ms
stephenson,
the
floor
is
yours.
I
The
report
also
outlines
a
financial
framework
as
well
as
guiding
principles
that
would
direct
staff
in
the
work
to
be
done.
And,
finally,
the
report
outlines
a
unique
option
as
a
result
of
the
project
and
the
local
share
ask
for
a
special
area
development
charge,
which
is
very
specific
to
the
hospital
site
as
an
option
for
review
process.
I
I
So
staff
would
expect
to
report
back
in
quarter
two
or
quarter
three
of
2023
with
options,
and
we
work
closely
with
our
colleagues
at
the
ottawa
hospital
for
funding
strategies
in
terms
of
the
third
recommendation
in
the
report.
It
sets
out
a
financial
framework
and
guiding
principles.
Should
council
approve
the
review
of
the
local
share,
request
and
I'll
walk
through
them
in
a
future
slide
to
explain
how
they're
going
to
guide
our
work?
I
Should
the
report
recommendations
be
approved
and
the
last
recommendation
direct
staff
to
review
a
very
unique
option
and
opportunity,
which
is
a
special
area
development
charge
which
is
specific
to
the
hospital
site,
and
it
includes
a
review
of
the
required
growth-related
off-site
capital
works
that
are
associated
with
the
project.
I
Looking
at
the
associated
costs
of
those
works
and
bringing
back
a
background
study
and
amending
bylaw
to
impos
impose
such
a
charge,
and
today
the
hospital
is
exempt
from
paying
development
charges,
sort
of
saving,
except
for
the
transit
portion
and
there's
no
recognition
of
this
in
the
local
share.
The
city
doesn't
get
any
credit
for
that
as
it
stands
today.
I
So
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
review
this,
and
this
option
would
see
approximately
90
of
those
costs
being
funded
by
the
province
so
very
similar
to
incidents
today
and
10
of
the
costs
funded
by
the
city
and
that
would
actually
go
towards
the
local
share.
I
I
So
the
first
seeks
to
minimize
the
burden
on
ottawa
taxpayers
such
that
there
would
be
a
minimal
or
no
financial
burden
to
them.
This
guiding
principle
ensures
that
the
city
maintains
the
council,
approved
tax
increase
and
ensures
value
for
investments
with
consideration
of
the
local
economy
and
the
community
as
a
whole.
I
I
I
We
need
the
help
of
our
community
to
achieve
the
council
adopted
ghg
reduction
targets,
of
which
we've
based
on
the
2020
2012
levels
by
a
hundred
percent
in
the
community
by
2050,
and
the
new
civic
hospital
will
contribute
to
the
community
goal
of
lowering
ghgs
with
its
leed
silver
certification.
I
Some
municipalities
have
done
a
contribution
through
use
of
their
reserve
funds
as
a
one-time
contribution,
whereas
others
have
also
contributed
capital
works,
there's
very
unique
solution
in
the
town
of
oakville.
They
made
a
one-time
contribution
through
the
sale
of
their
hydros
telecom
arm.
I
think
it
was
about
40
million
dollars
and
they
also
issued
debt,
which
would
which
I
believe
was
around
90
million
dollars,
which
is
paid
through
incremental
annual
hydro
dividends
that
they
received.
I
H
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
so
I
think
we
have
cam
and
roger
coming
up.
H
C
M
C
H
Hear
me
yeah,
we
can
hear
and
see
you.
Thank
you
both
just
before
you
begin.
I
just
wanted
to
publicly
thank
you,
roger
for
your
family's,
very
generous
donation
of
25
million
dollars
to
the
ottawa
hospital
campaign,
as
they
say,
you're
putting
your
money
where
your
mouth
is,
you're,
sharing
it
and
you're
also
contributing
it.
So
thank
you
for
that
very
kind
gesture,
and
I
know
it
will
send
a
signal
out
to
others
in
the
community
to
be
as
generous
as
possible
for
this
very
exciting
city
building
project.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
those
kind
words,
mr
mayor
and
good
morning
to
you
and
to
your
fellow
fedco
committee
members.
Thank
you
for
allowing
cameron
and
I
to
speak
to
you
today
about
this
matter,
one
which
I
believe
from
you
can
see
from
the
mayor's
words
which
one
is
of
the
utmost
importance
to
the
future
of
our
city
and
its
residents.
C
I
also
want
to
thank
city
staff
who
prepared
the
report
that
wendy
has
just
reviewed
with
you,
I'm
here
today
as
chair
of
the
ottawa
hospital
foundation's
500
million
dollar
fundraising
campaign
for
the
new
civic.
As
most
of
you
know,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
ottawa,
whose
family
has
had
a
long
connection
with
toh,
and
we
are
long-time
supporters
of
the
hospital
as
well.
I
am
extremely
proud
to
be
leading
the
community's
fundraising
efforts
for
this
new
hospital.
C
After
working
quietly
behind
the
scenes
for
more
than
three
years,
we
publicly
launched
our
fundraising
campaign
a
few
weeks
ago
and
we
are
already
close
to
achieving
the
midpoint
in
our
campaign
with
many
more
prospects
yet
to
be
seen.
People
are
giving
enthusiastically
to
build
our
new
hospital.
I
hope
that
this
committee
shares
that
enthusiasm
and
supports
us
as
we
pursue
our
ambition
to
provide
the
citizens
of
ottawa
with
the
very
best
health
care
available
anywhere
in
the
world.
C
Our
community
and
this
city
have
a
long
history
of
supporting
and
contributing
to
ensure
our
health
care
needs
almost
a
hundred
years
ago.
It
was
then
mayor,
harold
fisher,
who
had
a
dream
of
a
new
hospital
for
the
city
of
ottawa
under
his
watch,
the
city
paid
70
thousand
dollars
for
the
farmland
where
the
civic
was
built
and
where
it
still
stands
today,
since
the
original
civic
was
originally
opened
in
1924,
all
of
our
local
hospitals
have
benefited
from
municipal
support.
C
The
ottawa
hospital's
riverside
campus,
for
example,
was
built
on
city
donated
land.
This
is
the
first
new
acute
care
hospital
to
be
built
in
our
community.
Since
1980.,
I
will
point
out
that,
beginning
of
this
century,
hospitals
in
our
community
underwent
several
large-scale
redevelopment
and
expansions
that
were
supported
by
the
city,
so
this
means
that
this
is
the
first
request
in
over
20
years
to
the
city
to
support
the
new
hospital.
C
C
The
hospital
administration
is
anxious
to
roll
up
its
sleeves
and
work
with
the
city's
administration
to
get
this
hospital
built
for
our
community
and
for
generations
to
come.
I
know
that
working
together,
the
audible
hospital
and
city
can
come
up
with
a
proposal
that
will
allow
for
a
contribution
of
150
million
dollars
on
behalf
of
all
citizens
and
businesses
of
ottawa.
I
will
now
turn
the
balance
of
the
presentation
over
to
cam,
who
will
provide
you
with
more
detail,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
C
I
do
apologize
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
stay
on
long
on
this
call
because
of
a
previous
commitment,
but
I
will
wait
through
cam's
presentation
and
to
answer
any
questions
that
committee
members
may
have.
Thank
you.
Cam.
M
In
addition
to
providing
unmatched
patient
care,
our
new
campus
will
be
a
hub
for
innovation,
discovery
and
learning.
If
we
were
great
medical
minds
will
tackle
the
biggest
challenges
in
health
care
and
most
likely
solve
them.
It
will
house
one
of
the
most
innovative
neuroscience
research
programs,
a
world-class
trauma
center
and
advanced
medical
and
surgical
infrastructure
to
rival
any
across
canada
and
most
likely
across
the
world.
M
Our
our
all-new
hospital
will
also
bring
significant
economic
impact
to
this
community
and
to
this
city
we
will
continue
to
be
the
second
largest
employer
in
the
region
after
the
federal
government
and
the
construction
of
this
facility
will
generate
an
additional
four
thousand
full-time,
equivalent
jobs
each
year
inject
over
2
billion
annually
into
the
local
economy
and
contribute
more
than
1.25
billion
to
the
ottawa's
labor
to
ottawa's
labor
income,
and
that
is
all
in
addition
to
the
20
000
jobs
that
are
going
to
be
created
during
construction
slide.
Two
please.
M
Perfect,
thank
you.
So
now,
let's
talk
about
funding,
so
the
federal
government
provided
us
with
a
50-acre
site
where
the
new
hospital
will
be
built.
The
province
of
ontario
will
contribute
over
2.1
billion
to
the
new
hospital
equal
to
90
of
the
project's
construction
costs,
and
our
local
share
is
700
million.
As
roger
has
mentioned.
We
are
committed
to
fundraising
500
million
for
this
project
and
we
expect
to
generate
another
50
million
through
retail
and
other
revenues,
which
leaves
150
million,
which
is
our
ass
to
the
city.
Today.
M
We
believe
that,
given
the
extraordinary
importance
of
our
new
hospital
to
the
health
of
each
and
every
ottawa
citizen
to
our
parents,
our
children
and
our
grandchildren
that
the
city
of
ottawa
has
an
obligation
to
ensure
that
all
of
our
loved
ones
receive
the
best
health
care
possible
and
to
join
toh
and
the
province
and
the
federal
governments
in
investing
in
our
future,
we
are
100
percent
committed
to
working
with
the
city
over
the
next
year
on
a
plan
to
achieve
this
150
million
next
slide.
Please.
M
The
ottawa
hospital
knows
that
this
city
cares
for
its
citizens
every
bit
as
much
as
those
councils
care
for
theirs,
and
so
today
we
respectfully
ask
you
to
commit
to
helping
us
build
this
extraordinary
new
health
care
facility
for
all
of
ottawa
citizens
for
generations
to
come.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
This
morning,.
H
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
cam
and
roger.
So
now,
questions
and
comments
to
either
staff
or
our
colleagues
from
the
hospital
will
be
the
first
councilor
gower.
F
Thank
you,
thank
you,
so
to
be
clear,
we
can
ask
to
staff
or
to
mr
greenberger
mr
love
at
this
time.
That's
correct.
Okay,
maybe
I'll
start
with
staff,
then
thank
you
wendy
for
the
presentation.
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear.
We
are
receiving
this
request
right
now.
Procedurally,
we
are
not
seeing
yet.
We
are
not
saying
yes,
we
are
just
acknowledging
that
the
hospital
has
asked
us
for
a
150
million
dollar
contribution
and
we're
acknowledging
we've
received.
It
is
that
what
we're
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
today.
I
That's
correct
you're
receiving
the
request
counselor
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
remainder
of
the
recommendations,
we're
seeking
direction,
would
you
like
us
to
look
at
this
and
we
will
report
back
in
the
next
term
of
council.
F
F
I
Yeah
thanks
very
much
for
that
question,
counselor
and
the
opportunity
to
expand
on
that.
So
we
we
have
some
ideas.
They
are
by
no
means
exhaustive,
so
absolutely
open
to
any
ideas
you
would
like
to
share
with
us.
We
will
take
those
away
and
that's
really
the
point
of
us
doing
this
review
and
reporting
back
is
to
make
sure
that
we've
gone
through
everything
we
possibly
come
can
and
come
back
to
committee
and
council
with
those
recommendations
to
say:
here's
how
we
can
fulfill
the
request
for
the
local
share.
F
I
We
have
said
in
the
report
that
the
city
has
has
not
traditionally
and
has
not
provided
a
local
share
request,
and
I
I
say
that
in
the
terms
of
the
new
cities
supposed
amalgamation.
I
However,
if
we
go
back
to
I'm
going
to
say
the
former
city
of
nepean,
there
were
some
reserve
funds
that
were
left
sort
of
what
I
call
legacy
funds
and
so
a
decision
was
made
to
provide.
I
think
it
was
a
two
million
dollar
contribution,
I
believe
in
2002
or
2003
to
the
queensway
carlton
for
equipment.
So
it
was
a
post
amalgamation
decision,
but
it
was
made
with
pre-amalgamation
money
if
that's
not
confusing.
F
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
a
question
for
wendy
or
a
question
for
the
hospital
team,
but
are
there
any
other
provinces
that
require
a
local
share
contribution,
or
is
this
unique
to
ontario.
M
You
cameron,
thanks
for
the
question
council
gower.
I
can't
be
I'm
not
completely
fully
up
to
speed
on
what
every
single
province
does
within
every
jurisdiction
but
other
provinces.
I
know
some
hospitals
that
have
local
share
requirements
with
their
government.
M
I
think
the
most
recent
one
we'd
have
to
do
some
further
looking
into
this,
but
the
most
recent
one
is
what's
happened
out
in
alberta,
but
we
I
would
have
to
get
confirmation
on
specifics,
but
it
is
not
uncommon
at
all
across
the
country.
F
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
so
50
million
dollars-
sorry
500
million
dollars.
Targeting
for
fundraising.
That
does
seem
like
a
huge
amount.
So
can
you
put
that
in
context
of
some
other,
let's
look
at
ontario
or
other
major
cities
in
in
canada?
Where
does
that
fall
in?
I
just
try
to
the
the
number
alone.
500
million
dollars
doesn't
doesn't
mean
a
lot,
so
I'm
looking
for
some
more
context
as
to
similar
campaigns
and
some
of
the
different
activities
that
were
successful
in
arriving
at
such
a
big
amount.
C
I
can
answer
that
just
a
little
bit
counselor.
I
know
that
certainly
500
million
dollars
is
by
far
the
largest
campaign
in
this
city's
history,
especially
for
obviously
for
for
health
care.
You
have
on
the
chart
that
was
provided
by
both
cameron
and
by
wendy.
What
other
campaigns
have
done
recently
in
in
in
ontario
and
the
size
of
our
build
at
2.8
billion
dollars
is
what
requires
it
to
be.
C
Such
a
large
amount
for
local
share,
it's
much
larger
than
most
of
the
other
hospitals
which
have
have
have
been
built
over
the
last
say,
10
or
15
years.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
funding
formula
for
your
question
is
one
which
is
one
which
I
I
I
receive
fairly
consistently
on
the
fundraising
trail.
C
When
people
say
why
is
this
not
funded
100
by
the
province
and-
and
I
I
can't
give
an
answer-
why
other
than
to
say
it
is
what
it
is,
and
this
is
the
way
it's
been
for
more
than
50
years
and
our
our
our
situation
is
very
simple:
we
either
raise
the
local
share
or
the
province
drops
us
down
to
the
bottom
of
the
list.
C
There's
nine
other
hospitals
that
are
on
this
list
and
we'll
drop
down
to
the
bottom
and
they'll
come
back
to
us
in
20
years
from
now
and
ask
us
if,
if
we've
changed
our
minds
and
so
the
civic,
which
is
already
100
years
old,
it's
where
my
parents
were
born,
it's
where
I
and
my
siblings
were
born
it's
long
past
its
due
date
and
so
replacing
the
entire
hospital
as
we
are
proposing
to
do
with
a
2.8
billion
dollar
construction.
C
F
Okay,
I
I
see
a
lot
of
hands
up
from
colleagues,
so
maybe
I'll
just
wrap
with
a
quick
comment.
I
do
think
it's
well.
I
don't
think
it's
fair
that
the
province
put
so
much
bonus
on
local,
fundraising
and
local
share
to
fund
health
care.
I
think
this
should
be
a
provincial
responsibility.
That
said,
it
is
what
we
have
in
front
of
us,
I
think
as
a
hospital.
I
would
encourage
you.
I
I
think
your
big
challenge
is
really
getting
the
message
out
as
to
the
regional
nature
of
this
hospital.
F
The
perspective
that
several
residents
in
stittsville
have
shared
with
me
is:
they
would
far
more
consider
the
the
queensway
carlton
or
even
the
carlton
place,
or
almond
hospitals
as
their
local
hospitals.
I
still,
I
still
think,
there's
perhaps
a
perception,
rightly
or
wrongly,
that
the
civic
is
is
more
of
a
downtown
or
a
central
type
of
hospital,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
big
challenge,
for
I
guess
the
future
council
in
deciding
how
to
proceed
with
the
local
share.
F
It's
to
really
get
that
communication
and
make
sure
there
is
support
city-wide
for
any
kind
of
contribution,
and
then
a
comment
I
guess
to
to
wendy
and
the
team
encourage
you
to
look
for
additional
options.
Creative
options,
one
resident
suggested
to
me
an
optional
checkbox
on
a
tax
bill
to
to
make
a
contribution,
and
I
think
that
recognizes
as
a
large
civic
organization
as
the
city,
we
are
in
a
very
ideal
situation
to
help
in
the
fundraising
efforts.
F
Maybe
if
there's
a
voluntary
way
that
people
could
make
a
ten
dollar
twenty
dollar
voluntary
contribution
as
part
of
their
yearly
tax
filings.
That
could
be
another
way.
That's
not
putting
a
burden
on
on
all
taxpayers
and
a
creative
solution
as
well,
and
I'm
sure
there's
others
that
colleagues
or
residents
might
have
and
how
the
city
could
contribute.
F
H
You
mayor
great,
thank
you
very
much
councillor
gower
councillor
luloff,
please.
G
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
and
thanks
so
much
for
for
coming
to
join
us
today,
cameron
and
and
roger
truly
appreciate
this.
This
is
going
to
be
a
world-class
facility
with
an
amazing
story
to
tell
unbelievable
world-class
facility
that
I'm
very
excited
to
have
in
our
city.
Wendy.
You
know
with
the
pending
impact
adjustment.
A
levy
of
any
amount
at
this
point
in
time
would
would
certainly
be
unpalatable.
G
I
do
really
appreciate
that
you
know
this
request
came
in
not
long
ago
at
all
and
that
your
team
has
put
together
some
very
viable
ideas
and
options
for
us
to
consider
in
the
next
term
of
council,
and
I
know
that
you
have
quite
a
bit
of
time
between
now
and
when
the
when
the
final
report
comes
for
approval
to
come
up
with
other
ideas,
I
agree
with
councillor
gower
that
we
should
leave
no
stone
unturned
here.
I
know
that
you
have
proposed
several
options.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
your
team.
G
I
really
don't
know
how
you
do
it.
You
have
requests
coming
in
to
you
every
single
day
and
to
see
that
you
were
able
to
put
together
a
few
palatable
options
in
such
a
short
period
of
time.
I
think,
is
going
to
make
a
massive
difference
with
the
end
result.
We
obviously
want
to
be
a
good
part,
a
community
partner
to
the
to
the
ottawa
hospital.
G
I
think
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
find
a
way
to
to
make
this
contribution,
but
I
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
that
it's
clear
that
I
believe
that
my
residents
would
find
any
any
amount
of
a
levy
at
this
time,
especially
with
this
mpac
adjustment.
People
have
seen
their
their
their
housing
values
double
over
the
course
of
the
last
four
years,
five
years,
and
so
looking
for
those
solutions
is
going
to
be
very
important.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation
today.
G
We
truly
appreciate
it
cameron
and
roger
roger.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
personal
contribution.
I
think
that
that's
absolutely
incredible
and
and
incredibly
generous
and
inspiring
frankly,
but
you
know
as
between
now
and
when
we
meet
again.
I
wish
you
continued
success
with
this
project
and
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
seeing
it
come
to
fruition.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor
and
ms
stephenson.
This
is
not
unique.
This
request
in
the
past,
maybe
not
with
the
since
the
amalgamated
city,
but
in
the
past,
because
I
remember
we
dealt
with
something
for
bronson,
I
mean
they
have
a
interest
loan
free
from
the
city
and
not
too
long
ago.
I
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
referring
to
the
dave
smith
youth
treatment
center.
I
know
there
was
a
unique
arrangement
that
we
did
have
with
them
and
I
know
they're
just
commencing
the
build
of
a
new
facility.
I
I
want
to
say
that
announcement
was
made
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
our
as
I
had
said,
our
research
shows
that,
in
terms
of
an
overall
municipal
contribution
to
a
project,
this
sort
of
size,
scale
and
scope
has
not
happened
since
amalgamation,
and
you
know,
as
as
we
said
in
the
report,
we're
bringing
this
ask
forward.
We're
required
to
do
so
to
let
committee
and
council
know
that
the
ask
has
come
and
provided
a
framework
in
terms
of
how
we
could
actually
do
that.
Work
and
report
back.
E
I
understand
that,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
to
connect,
so
even
we
haven't
done
it
under
the
new
city,
but
in
the
past
and
in
the
counselor
who
david
smith,
you
know
treatment
center
been
building.
I
I
recalled
that
law.
So
it's
not.
It's
not
unique
for
municipality
to
contribute
or
help
health
care
provider
in
the
city,
even
if
it
didn't
happen
under
the
new
city,
but
it
happened
before.
E
And
I'm
I'm
glad
we,
you
know
you've
given
us
option
and
I
have
to
tell
you
whether
we
are
in
fitzroy
or
you
are
in
for
cumberland
or
in
the
south.
Civic
hospital
is
still
our
hospital
doesn't
matter
where
we
live.
I
think
it
served
benefit
to
all
of
us
and
I'm
looking
for
some
of
the
option
you
are
bringing
to
us
because,
quite
honestly,
I
live
in
carp
and
my
wife.
She
went
to
the
civic
and
other
and
I
don't
want
to
make
it.
E
This
is
a
personal
thing,
but
we
all
know
the
civic
is
not
just
to
serve
the
downtown
or
the
core
or
any
of
the
hospital.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
so
I
hope,
when
you
bring
to
us
in
the
future,
it'll
be
something
clearly
to
to
to
make
the
argument.
The
civic
is
not
just
for
area
specific
is
it
is.
It
is
a
city-wide
it's
actually.
We
have
folks
flying
from
up
north.
I
visit
few
people.
Law
enforcement
people
who've
been
treated
at
the
civic
from
as
far
as
callaway
come
to
the
civic.
E
So
I
just
want
to
say
I
applaud
you
for
taking
on
something
like
this
and
also
providing
us
options
and
to
to
mr
love
and
mr
greenberg
well,
thank
you
both
for
your
leadership,
roger
again,
you're
you
and
your
family,
showing
some
leadership
in
the
community
and
supporting
a
great
cause
to
all
of
us.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Thanks.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
My
question
is
to
our
treasurer
in
regards
to
how
much
this
hospital
costs
us,
because
one
of
the
the
implications
is
traveling
connections,
transit
connections,
which
were
only
taught
raised
at
the
very
last
minute
and
we're
building
a
stage.
Two
lrt
and
we're
gonna
have
to
have
some
connectivity
to
this
hospital
to
reach
the
goals
that
are
outlined.
D
That
say
that
it's
going
to
be
climate
change
friendly,
but
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
cost
to
our
city
taxpayers
on
these
on
these
changes,
because
it
means
changing
a
stop
that
was
planned
a
long
time
ago
and
and
and
cutting
through
a
parking
lot
that
is
being
built
first.
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
an
idea
of
the
costs
of
of
those
things.
I
It's
a
great
question
counselor
and
that's
some
of
the
work
that
we're
going
to
need
to
take
away
in
terms
of
those
off-site
capital
improvements
that
need
to
be
done
with
respect
to
the
site
plan.
We
don't
have
a
full
figure
on
what
that's
going
to
be.
What
I
I
think
you
know
if
we
look
at
sort
of
that,
lrt
connectivity
and
I'm
going
to
say
you
know
if
I
do
a
bit
of
a
back
of
the
napkin
calculation.
I
If
we
look
at
you
know,
if
there's
some
sort
of
connectivity,
whether
it's
through
a
ped
bridge
or
you
know,
another
means
that
could
be
to
the
tune
of
15
million
dollars.
I
don't
know
100,
but
that's
the
work
that
we're
going
to
do
and
I'm
just
I'm
gonna
ask
my
colleague
I
know
mr
willis
is
commencing
an
environmental
assessment
that
work
is
going
to
start
in
2023.
That
will
really
inform
what
the
future
is
going
to
look
like
and
sort
of
what
that
solution
is
going
to
look
like
as
well.
I
So
I'm
sure
mr
willis
can
provide
more
details
on
that.
G
Thank
you
wendy.
Yes,
as
wendy
indicated,
we
are
going
to
be
commencing
the
process
for
an
environmental
assessment
to
link
the
transit
station
across
carling
avenue
to
the
hospital
complex.
It
is
a
requirement
under
provincial
legislation
to
do
an
ea
and
the
ea
looks
at
different
options,
so
that
will
be
either
a
bridge
above
or
a
below
grade
option
we'll
look
at
them
and
cost
them
and
have
public
consultation
into
that
process
and
looking
at
how
we
can
get
that
connectivity
that
both
city
and
federal
approvals
contemplate.
D
Thank
you,
and-
and
this
is
outside
of
what
is
being
asked-
because
this
is
this-
is
all
what
we
we
have
to
do
as
a
city
to
to
make
this
major
piece
of
infrastructure
connected
to
our
system.
Is
that
correct.
G
G
It's
a
huge
opportunity
to
link
this
to
the
hospital
complex,
very
properly
into
the
transit
station
with
accessible
access,
so
we
do
need
to
get
on
with
that,
the
the
approvals
the
design
and
approvals
process
so
that
we
know
what
that
is.
Okay,.
A
Very
much,
mr
mayor,
thank
you
for
the
report.
I
wanted
to
start
by
just
talking
about
the
report
itself
and
some
of
the
recommendations
in
there
and
just
get
some
clarification
and
so
wendy.
We
we
had
met
on
this,
and
I
appreciate
that
discussion.
The
the
potential
for
a
local
tax
levy
is
is
likely
not
something
that
would
proceed
as
I
understand
it,
but
I
I
want
to
get
clarity
from
you.
A
I
Yeah
the
when
you
look
at
the
guiding
principles
in
the
financial
framework
that
we've
included
in
the
report
we're
recommending
that
one
of
those
guiding
principles
be
no
to
minimal
impact
on
our
taxpayers,
and
I
had
mentioned
in
my
presentation
that
a
tax
levy
is
what
I
call
a
a
simple
or
an
easy
solution,
not
suggesting
that
it's
palatable
or
acceptable,
and
we
know
we
know
that
we
can
do
that.
A
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
this
would
go
to
the
next
council.
I
think
any
kind
of
multi-hundred
million
dollar
decision
absolutely
should
be
going
to
the
next
council
with
proper
consultation
in
terms
of
the
the
fund
raising
for
this
we're
in
a
difficult
spot
in
the
core,
because
the
location
is
is
such
a
difficult
one.
A
I
think
everyone
will
appreciate.
You
know
our
a
lot
of
residents
that
live
in
the
area.
This
was
treasured
green
space,
there's
hundreds
of
trees
that
are
being
cut
down
here
as
a
result
of
the
the
site
plan
and
the
site
that
was
selected
here.
So
it's
difficult
to
ask
them
to
then
come
back
and
fundraise
for
something
or
fund
something
that
they
are
very
concerned
about
when
it
comes
to
the
location
because
of
how
poor
a
spot
it
is.
A
This
is
one
area
where
we
had
a
carbon
sink
here:
hundreds
of
of
visitors
every
day
to
the
the
park
areas
and
a
lot
of
trees
that
have
already
started
coming
down
so
in
terms
of
the
environmental
component
of
this
I'd
I'd
be
very
concerned.
If
that
was
a
way
we're
using
to
to
fund
this.
A
In
that
way,
I'll
also
just
mention
that
I
had
raised
this
and
it's
a
question
I
guess
for
cameron
love,
but
I
had
raised
this
during
the
deliberations
on
the
site
plan
and
I
asked
specifically
how
much
was
ottawa
going
to
be
asked
for
for
a
local
share,
and
there
was
no
answer
that
came
back
at
that
time.
I'm
wondering
why
that
is
and
why
we're
only
being
asked
now,
after
the
site
plan's
been
approved.
I
So
I
can
certainly
start
to
answer
that
question
counselor
and
very
much
remember
the
conversation
that
happened
at
committee
and
the
answer
that
was
provided
in
terms
of
the
information
that
we
had
in
front
of
us
was,
we
didn't
know
what
the
local
share
was
going
to
be
at
that
point
in
time,
and
we
always
committed
to
coming
back
to
committee
and
council
with
respect
to
that
ask
so
now
that
the
site
plan
has
been
approved
and
things
are
moving
along.
A
However,
the
question
was
asked
then,
and
I'm
sure
there
was
knowledge
of
it
then,
and
to
have
it
come
back
now
is
I
feel
a
bit
disrespectful
when
we
had
the
the
answer
there
in
terms
of
how
much
the
hospital
would
cost
on
the
costing
my
understanding
is:
we've
been
having
overruns
of
hospitals
in
ontario.
I
really
think
the
province
should
be
funding
the
entire
thing
they
shouldn't
be
asking
for
local
shares.
This
is
a
provincial
responsibility.
A
M
So
all
good
questions,
council,
bernard
and
I'll
try
and
address
them
in
a
slightly
different
order.
So
I
I
think
it's
safe
to
say-
and
I
think
you
would
know
this
with
what's
happening
within
the
industry
in
the
supply
chain
market-
there's
not
a
construction
project
on
the
globe.
Right
now,
that's
not
impacted
from
a
cost
perspective,
and
so
I
suspected
with
your
own
deliberations
on
various
city
projects.
You've
also
got
the
same
pressures,
whether
it's
hospitals,
whether
it's
community
buildings,
whether
it's
city,
buildings
or
housing
development,
the
price
of
construction
has
risen.
M
So
the
cabinet
approval
that
we
have
has
a
budget.
That's
been
approved
with
a
confirmation
of
escalation
that,
as
we
work
through
the
last
next
year,
we
go
out
to
rfp
in
in
approximately
july,
to
select
consortia.
We've
got
a
year
of
working
with
the
industry
and
io
in
terms
of
confirming
the
exact
cost.
There
is
no
question.
M
Escalation
is
a
concern,
but
the
government
has
outlined
that
for
all
approved
projects,
the
cost
of
escalation
will
be
part
of
the
final
sort
of
approvals,
as
numbers
confirmed,
but
we're
seeing
numbers
shift
literally
every
quarter.
Now
the
big
question
is-
and
this
is
where
it
becomes
a
little
challenging-
is
over
the
year.
Will
it
stabilize,
but
we've
got
full
confirmation
from
government
that
those
costs
will
be
covered
from
an
escalation
perspective
and
our
local
share
of
700
million.
M
To
sort
of
add
on
to
what
wendy
said
when
we
brought
this
forward,
we
did
not
have
final
cost.
The
escalation
piece
was
being
confirmed
and
roger
and
his
cabinet,
through
his
leadership,
have
just
confirmed
the
local
share
recently,
which
leads
the
number
of
150.
Those
pieces
were
all
being
worked
through
at
that
time
and
that's
why
we
didn't
bring
forward
the
specific
ass,
but
the
local
share
of
700
million
is
now
confirmed
as
we
go
through
the
next
year.
M
That
number
stays
the
same
and
we'll
see
what
happens
within
the
industry
and
work
with
the
ministry
on
escalation
costs.
So
that's
question
one.
The
other
question
I
think
you
raised
and
I'm
forgetting,
actually
I'm
sorry
council.
What
was
the
second
question
you
had
in
that.
A
Well,
we
we
were
talking
about
the
environmental
impact
here,
and
that
was
an
issue
with
the
site
itself
raised.
That.
M
So
the
environmental
stewardship
planetary
health
and
a
direction
to
create
a
framework
on
trying
to
move
towards
a
net
zero
platform
in
in
future
years
is
absolute
principle
for
this
new
site,
and
I
look
at
it's
really
unfortunate
we're
having
to
take
trees
down.
I
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
I
mean,
while
we're
taking
down
about
590
trees
over
the
course
of
the
two
phases,
we're
planting
about
300,
sorry,
3,
000,
new
trees
to
try
and
restore
all
the
canopy.
M
Having
said
that,
there
is
a
much
bigger
picture
here
when
you
look
at
healthcare
hospitals
and
you
look
at
what
we
the
impact
we
have
of
the
existing
civic
on
things
like
utilities,
consumption,
the
inefficiency
of
this
building,
the
impact
on
the
environment
and
particularly
waste
and
waste
management
in
terms
of
food,
medical
waste,
hazardous
waste
and
those
things
that
is
equally
something
that
it's
just.
You
can't
even
compare
the
new
to
the
old
in
terms
of
the
impact
it's
going
to
have
in
the
environment.
M
A
Dr
love,
I
have
no
issue
with
the
new
hospital.
I
want
a
new
hospital
in
auto.
A
I
think
you
know
our
issue
has
always
been
the
way
the
site
was
selected,
which
was
an
undemocratic
fashion
and
where
it
is
now
will
drastically
affect
residents
in
that
local
area.
He
used
that
green
space
use
those
trees
as
a
carbon
sink,
and
so
I
think
there
was
other
locations.
This
should
have
gone,
but
we
we
had
a
very
poor
process,
federally
provincially
and
locally
and
we're
ending
up
with
a
very
poor
site.
A
I
wish
the
best
for
the
hot,
the
new
hospital
and
we're
doing
our
utmost
to
connect
it
to
make
it
better
connect
with
transit,
where
we
can
with
cycling
lanes
the
pedestrian
walkthrough.
Our
office
has
been
very
engaged
on
preston
and
areas
that
connect
up
with
it
from
our
ward
and
we'll
continue
to
do
that
and
make
the
most
of
this.
A
But
I
think
you
know
there's
a
disappointment
and
that's
hard
to
fundraise
when
you've
got
a
disappointment
in
that
local
area,
given
the
drastic
loss
to
green
space
in
an
area
that
already
has
such
a
small
amount
of
green
space.
So
I
appreciate
the
answers
and
I
wish
you
the
best.
I
just
want
to
be
honest
about
how
residents
are
feeling,
so.
Thank
you.
H
Okay,
we'll
stick
to
the
report
where
the
site
selection
has
been
decided.
So
let's
stick
to
the
report.
That's
before
us,
councilor
brockington.
B
Thank
you
mayor,
good
morning
to
you.
You
appreciate
the
report
and
the
discussion
today
and
my
voting
record
and
public
comments
on
the
hospital
are
very
clear.
I
too
support
this
major
project
city
building
project
I'll
start
with
questions
to
ms
steffensen.
B
There
are
a
number
of
examples
I
can
list
where
there
are
major
projects
or
entities
in
the
city
that
are
struggling,
that
could
benefit
from
city
contributions
and
the
arguments
could
be
made
about
their
economic
contributors.
There
will
be
economic
spin-offs
in
the
city,
there'll
be
tons
of
jobs,
the
airport's
struggling
major
economic
contributor.
B
We
could
contribute
to
this
queensway
expansion,
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
true,
but
you
could
make
arguments
you
could
make
arguments
about
how
we
should
contribute
to
universities
and
colleges.
We
need
money.
So,
ms
steffensen,
what
criteria
did
you
use
to
assess
this
request
and
make
a
unilateral
decision
to
bring
this
report
to
fedco?
We
did
not
give
you
that
direction.
We
didn't
give
you
that
authority.
B
I
Thanks
very
much
councillor
for
the
question:
when
staff
received
the
request,
we
really
took
a
step
back
and
we
looked
at
the
best
approach
in
terms
of
how
do
we
inform
members
of
counsel
through
whether
it's
a
report,
whether
it's
emotion
and
quite
frankly,
do
we
inform
council
with
respect
to
this?
I
can
tell
you
in
my
tenure
this
is
the
biggest
the
largest
and,
quite
frankly,
the
only
request
that
I
have
received
and
what
we
did
was.
We
really
took
a
step
back.
We
did
an
environmental
scan
across
ontario.
I
We
wanted
to
see
what
did
our
municipal
partners
do
in
terms
of
this?
I've
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
this
morning
about
what
the
local
share
looks
like
in
other
municipalities
across
ontario,
mr
love
or
dr
love
has
also
spoken
to
what
that
looks
like
across
ontario,
and
we
know
you
know
small
to
medium
municipalities
choose
to
make
a
contribution
and
they
do
it
in
various
different
ways.
Some
of
the
larger
municipalities,
you
look
at
toronto
as
an
example
chooses
not
to
make
a
contribution.
B
So
just
so,
I'm
clear
going
forward
about
criteria
that
you
use
or
triggers
going
forward.
Hypothetically
speaking,
if
algonquin
college
or
carleton
university
wants
to
go
through
a
major
expansion
on
their
campuses,
if
the
airport
makes
a
strong
economic
case
that
they
need
funding
from
the
city
to
help
them,
will
you
automatically
bring
a
report
to
fedco.
I
B
Sure
the
local
share
in
the
presentation
was
broken
down
three
ways:
one
is
the
I'll
just
call
it
the
charitable
campaign
that
mr
greenberg
and
his
team
are
spear
spearheading.
B
There's
the
municipal
share
and
then
there's
other
revenues
that
mr
love,
although
dr
love
sounds
good
that
mr
love
talked
about,
so
I
want
to
get
to
the
local
share.
The
municipal
share,
there's
capital
dollars
for
a
build
and
then
there's
operating
dollars
that
the
hospital
receives
from
non-city
of
ottawa,
at
least
out
of
province
residents.
B
The
civic
serves
not
just
city
of
ottawa
residents,
but
residents
of
eastern
ontario.
It
serves
residents
of
western
quebec
and
they
serve
residents
of
nunavut
and
probably
other
locations,
so
we're
talking
about
benefiting
from
a
world-class
center.
It's
not
exclusive
to
city
of
ottawa
residents
or
city
of
ottawa
taxpayers.
B
B
Are
we
asking
recipients
from
other
jurisdictions
to
contribute?
Because
this
is
their
trauma
center?
This
is
their
main
center
that
they
come
to
regionally.
Why
is
it
all
on
the
city
of
ottawa
taxpayer
shoulders
for
this
municipal
share
and
are
they
going
to
be
expected
to
contribute
to
capital
costs
as
well.
I
M
I'll
give
it
my
best
wendy,
so
counselor
brockington,
thanks
for
the
question
and
it's
a
good
one.
So
maybe
I
can
just
talk
about
the
way
capital
shares
have
worked
and
why
municipal
numerous
municipalities
contribute.
Then
answer
your
question
in
the
mix
of
that.
So
there
is
a
long
history
going
at
least
30
years
and
roger
reference.
15
is
probably
right
where
you
know
we
can
debate
whether
the
province
funds
10
percent
more
and
makes
it
100
versus
90.,
but
I
think
to
rogers
point.
M
Every
other
municipality
has
done
this
and
they've
moved
all
their
projects
through.
So
it's
not
really
something
that
I
would
expect
every
governments
to
change,
because
all
municipalities
are
doing
it.
When
you
take
places
like
kempville,
hawkesbury,
cornwall
pembroke,
eastern
western
quebec,
they
all
have
hospitals,
their
municipalities,
all
fund
various
portions,
whether
it's
equipment,
all
these
small
hospitals
have
had
expansions
or
development,
and
when
you
take
a
look
at
those
small
communities,
if
a
community
that's
got
15
000
people
puts
an
mri
mri
and
it's
5
million
bucks.
M
Typically,
the
municipalities
are
making
a
contribution
to
that.
So
five
million
dollars
for
a
community
of
fifteen
thousand
people
is,
it
seems,
like
a
small
amount
of
money,
but
it's
a
significant
portion
of
what
that
municipality
does,
and
so
there
has
always
been
a
foundation
where
municipalities
either
support
through
land
or
money
or
acquisitions,
or
building
developments,
and
that's
a
long
history
in
champlain
and
all
across
ontario.
M
Here's.
The
piece
that
is
the
flip
side
that
doesn't
occur
is
so
when
we,
when
we
build
this
trauma
center,
we
take
trauma
from
everywhere
and
if
you
have
to
the
common,
I
can't
remember
who
said
it
of
patience
in
stittsville.
M
Even
though
a
patient
may
go
to
queensway,
we
get
dozens
of
transfers
coming
from
queen's
way
to
toh
because
of
the
complexity
of
care,
that's
required.
If
you
have
trauma
vascular
disease,
you
have
a
stroke.
You
have
a
heart
attack,
whichever
it
is,
they're
all
coming
to
the
trauma
center
same
thing
with
western
quebec,
so
they'll
deal
with
a
lot
of
the
population,
but
if
you
have
a
real
complex
disease,
it
comes
here
we
get
funded
for
that
and
all
the
economic
benefit
of
the
growth
associated.
M
With
that,
we
don't
send
the
revenue
back
to
those
communities,
everything
on
the
economic
report
that
allows
the
capacity
to
be
built
in
the
center
of
ottawa,
associated
with
building
and
being
a
regional
trauma
center.
Yes,
we
may
have
to
fund
the
capital
but
I'll
be
operating
all
the
economic
benefit,
all
the
hiring,
a
staff
that
live
in
these
areas
to
support
those
regions.
We
don't
send
the
revenue
back
to
them,
so
it's
always
been
structured
that
way
and
it's
a
fit.
M
It's
a
fair
question
riley,
but
I
I
do
think
the
way
it's
structured
is.
Is
you
know
it's
what
we
have
to
work
with
and
there
is
a
significant
benefit
to
having
a
regional
center,
both
for
the
local
constituents
of
ottawa
being
able
to
support
these
reasons
both
from
an
operating
and
what
we
get
funded
and
how
we
deal
with
economic
growth
and
then
the
only
other
comment
that
I
I
did
want
to.
Actually
maybe
I'll
stop
there.
I
think
I
did
I
answer
all
your
questions.
Counselor
yeah.
I.
B
Think,
looking
ahead
at
how
this
is
communicated
with
the
general
public
once
if
this
passes,
ms
steffensen
report
comes
out
that
talks
about
options
next
year.
B
There
has
to
be
a
careful
explanation
to
the
public
who
are
worried
about
free
transit
and
you
know
rising
property
tax
bills
with
inflation,
and
there
was
the
impact
reference
this
just
piles
onto
it,
regardless
of
how
important
this
project
is
to
the
area
and
city
there's
a
limit
that
taxpayers
can
afford,
and
so
I
think
the
communication
has
to
be
very
clear
and
to
the
point
on
this
matter.
C
Yeah,
if
I
can
pipe
in
just
for
a
sec,
I
can
assure
you
that
I
have
met
with
contributors
who
are
outside
the
city
of
ottawa.
Carlton
place.
Montreal
toronto
kingston
east
end
of
ottawa,
the
quebec
side.
We've
received
outstanding
gifts
from
from
many
many
families
that
live
outside
of
ottawa.
In
many
cases,
some
of
them
who
will
not
be
using
the
the
the
facilities
of
of
this
new
of
this
new
hospital.
They
have
business
interests
in
the
city
and
they
understand
that
as
part
of
their.
C
I
guess,
like
my
family,
that
my
family,
five
of
my
seven
shareholders,
don't
live
in
ottawa.
The
gift
came
from
all
of
us.
We
were
born
in
ottawa,
but
they
all
live
elsewhere.
So
I
can
assure
you
that,
from
the
fundraising
side
of
the
500
million
dollars,
a
significant
component
of
that
will
come
from
families
who
will
never
step
foot
not
because
they
don't
want
to,
but
they
live
in
their
own
jurisdictions.
They
will
they
will
go
into
their
own
hospitals.
M
Okay,
just
to
add
to
that
counselor,
I
think
there's
another
piece
that-
and
I
appreciate
the
advice
around
communication-
I
couldn't
agree
more,
I
mean
communication
as
we
roll
this
out
has
been
key
the
whole
way
along
and
is
even
growing
now
in
terms
of
the
importance
as
particularly
as
we're
starting
into
implementation,
but
I
I
would
suggest,
there's
another
perspective
of
this,
that
we
hear
from
the
community.
You
may
not
hear
this,
but
as
a
hospital
that
provides
this
regional
service,
we
hear
it
in
spades.
M
We
get
a
lot
of
that
in
it,
and
so
there's
been
a
tremendous
turn
of
support.
I
find
from
not
only
building
a
new
hospital,
but
what
are
the
technologies?
How
is
it
going
to
improve
access
to
care
and
we
get
that
through
all
your
awards,
and
so
I
know
roger
sees
it
through
the
campaign
with
contributions.
M
We
see
it
from
the
perspective
of
we
need
this
new
hospital
to
really
build
a
stronger
health
care
system,
and
I
think
it
has
been
hit
very
hard
through
this
pandemic,
and
this
gives
a
little
bit
of
hope
to
people
on
building
something
that
is
really
going
to
make
a
difference
from
the
outcome
of
health.
It
doesn't
matter
whether
you
live
in
pembroke
carp.
You
know
right
in
dallas
lake,
to
where
council
menard's
comments
were
or
wherever
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
piece.
We
need
to
build
for
this
community.
D
Thank
you,
I'm
just
I
want
to
start
by
asking
how
we
arrived
at
the
150
million
dollar
ask.
Is
that
some
sort
of
standard
formula?
Is
it
a
percentage
or
is
it
being
can?
Can
it
be
directed
or
is
it
intended
to
be
directed
to
something
that
could
be
quantified
as
a
particular
city
of
ottawa
benefit
on
this
project.
I
I'm
going
to
ask
cameron
to
answer
the
question
around
how
they
arrived
at
the
150
counselor.
I
think
that's
important
context
for
this
morning.
M
Some
of
it
is
just
quite
honestly,
straight
math,
where
once
we
had
confirmation
of
the
campaign
target
of
500
million,
knowing
what
we
have
now
confirmed
out
of
government
and
approved
through
cabinet
and
what
we
can
calculate
with
their
own
business
plan
from
a
retail
perspective
and
some
of
that
required
time,
because
it,
you
know,
depending
on
what's
approved
by
government
and
what
we
can
put
in
for
retail,
etc,
that
50
million
dollar
number
they've
all
sort
of
come
to
fruition
over
the
course.
M
The
last
you
know
month,
and
so
with
all
of
that,
what
it
lands
on
is
is
a
pretty
simple
equation
around
500
from
the
work
that
rogers
leading
50
confirm
now
what
we
can
actually
create
from
a
business
plan,
and
the
remaining
150
is
yes,
that
was
part
one.
The
other
part
is
referencing.
What
wendy
had
spoke
about
before
is
really
doing
a
bit
of
a
an
assessment
across
the
province
on
what
others
had
done
and
what
seemed
reasonable
and
there
was
there
is
more
art
than
science.
M
To
be
quite
honest,
honest
counsel,
on
that,
every
every
area
there
is
no
sort
of
standard
that
gets
applied
across
the
board
where
it's
x
percent
for
this
or
x
percent.
For
that
it,
but
it
in
terms
of
looking
at
what
new
hospitals
have
been
built
in
ontario
over
the
last
course
the
last
decade,
what
other
municipalities
contributed
and
plus
our
own
situation?
Those
are
the
two
factors
that
landed
on
150.
D
And
and
just
that,
the
last
question
that
I
had
asked
there
about
the
community
benefit:
could
this
150
million
dollars
be
directed
to
something
we
could
point
at
specifically
adding
benefit
to
the
city.
I
Cameron,
can
you
speak
to
the.
M
M
People
to
contribute
the
city
to
be
recognized
for
that
piece
as
part
of
the
development.
I
don't
I
don't
I
I
have
no
concern.
I
don't
see
any
issue
with
that.
I
think,
as
part
of
wendy's
work
going
forward,
we
we
could
look
at
doing
that
and
there's
there
are
so
many
things
that
are
being
built
within
this,
ranging
from
infrastructure
to
ors
to
everything
else.
C
Cameron,
let
me
let
me
jump
in
as
well
to
counselor
dean's.
This
is
a
what
we
call
a
recognition
campaign,
and
this
is
something
that
we
we
advise
all
donors,
those
who
are
interested.
We
do
have
some
donors
who
wish
to
remain
anonymous,
but
but
there
are
a
lot
of
donors
who
have
indicated
that
yes,
they're,
very
proud
of
their
contribution,
and
they
they
understand
that
this
is
by
a
recognition
campaign
is
how
you
can
serve
as
a
as
a
as
a
guiding
post
to
them.
C
So
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
specifically
provide
the
recognition
details
today,
because
the
final
plans
haven't
been
done,
but
we're
keeping
track
of
every
donation
that
our
that
our
contributors
give
and
we
will
go
back
to
them
and
based
upon
aggregation
scale,
a
pyramid
so
to
speak,
of
recognition,
opportunities
based
upon
the
amount
that
the
that
the
that
the
that
the
donor
has
provided
will
provide
an
adequate
and
appropriate
level
of
recognition.
So
certainly
the
city
of
ottawa
is
interested
in
doing
something
like
that.
C
When
the
plans
get
to
be
a
little
bit
further
along
the
line,
my
guess
would
be
sort
of
a
year
to
18
months
out.
You
know
happy
to
sit
down
with
the
city
and
in
the
context
of
what
its
contribution
is
and
to
make
sure
that
the
residents
of
ottawa
recognize
that
that's
the
way
that
this
hospital
was
built,
it
it
it's
it's
we
can
talk
about.
You
know
how
unfair
it
is
and
that
the
province
should
pick
up
100
of
it.
C
And
you
know
what
we're
asking
is
that
the
city
of
ottawa
participate
with
my
efforts
and
the
efforts
of
the
team
that
I
have
assembled
and
working
with
the
foundation
at
the
hospital
and
the
business
plan
at
the
hospital,
and
we
all
chip
in
together
to
to
build
a
facility
that
we
will
be
incredibly
proud
of.
But
more
to
the
point,
will
move
health
care
in
our
region
decades,
ahead
of
where
it
is
today.
D
M
Yeah
for
sure
wendy
another
great
question,
counselor
deans,
so
it
it
really
becomes
it.
It
doesn't
jeopardize
that
we
will
get
this
approved.
M
What
it
jeopardizes
is
the
timing
to
rogers
point
so
one
of
the
big
elements
to
any
capital
development
project,
whether
it's
you
know
100
000
or
whether
it's
four
billion
dollars
is
how
do
you
pay
for
it
and
so
part
of
our
final
phase
over
this
last
year,
as
we're
scheduled
to
go
to
construction
early
in
24,
all
of
23
is
working
through
the
rfp
process
working
through
the
tendering
process,
completing
all
those
things
and
finalizing
exact
costs
and
haul.
M
The
hospital
pays
for
their
share,
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we
can't
pay
for
our
share,
then
what
it
is
is
typically,
what
will
happen
is
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
take
some
more
time
to
find
the
share.
M
The
challenge
with
it
is:
is
that
just
means
others
that
have
their
share
like
windsor
like
trillium
like
sick
kids,
they
will
bump
to
the
top
list
and
they'll
push
those
projects
out
earlier,
and
so
there's
always
the
risk
that
if
government
in
a
term
is
approved
x,
amount
of
capital-
and
you
push
then
push
that
bar
out
further,
then
they
just
push
it
to
the
next
term,
because
they've
got
so
much
pent-up
demand
and
so
that
that
is
where
the
real
risk
is.
It's
not
that
it
will
not
not
be
approved.
D
You
mentioned
the
federal
contribution
was
the
contribution
of
land.
Is
that
their
sole
contribution
and
have
you
quantified
the
value
of
that
contribution?.
M
When
we
did
this
initially
back
a
number
of
years,
when
the
land
was
transferred,
while
it
wasn't
a
comprehensive
review,
we
did
have
a
land
appraisal,
which
was
about
two
to
two
and
a
half
million,
an
acre
so
about
a
hundred
million
dollar
contribution.
If
you
actually
predict,
you
know,
for
a
land
appraisal
perspective.
M
True,
but
the
only
comment
I'd
made
on
that
counselor
dean's
and
I
think
it's
I
think
if
I
understand
where
you're
going
no
other
province
in
this,
no
other
area
in
this
province
has
a
federal
contribution,
so
we're
very
fortunate
in
ottawa
to
have
that
component.
That's
been
added.
D
Okay,
I
think
this
question
if
the
city
manages
on
might
be
for
him
or
ms
stephenson,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
we
had
a
number
of
hospital
requests
for
funding
shortly
after
amalgamation.
D
I
wondered
if
you
could
remind
us
what
council
decided,
because
it
seems
to
me
if
memory
serves
that
originally
there
was
some
contribution
of
development
charge
revenue
and
then,
after
that,
council
decided
that
we
would
not
make
contributions.
So
can
you
just
remind
me
of
who
made
the
asks
and
what
the
ultimate
council
decision
was.
I
Oh
sorry,
steve
would
you
like
to
go
ahead
or
I'd
be
happy
to
take
the
question?
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
counselor
I'll
be
able
to
provide
a
partial
answer
in
terms
of
what
the
decision
was.
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
I
can
go
back
and
get
the
actual
ass
for
your
reference.
I'm
happy
to
do
that
as
well,
and
I
may
lean
on
my
colleague,
cyril
who's,
also
on
the
meeting
this
morning,
to
provide
some
more
details
here.
I
But
what
was
happening
was
hospitals
were
required
to
pay
dc's
in
the
past,
a
decision
was
made
at
a
point
in
time
to
exempt
the
hospitals
from
dc's,
but
we
were
having
to
make
that
contribution
ourselves
to
make
up
the
shortfall
of
those
dc's,
and
so
that
was
I'm
going
to
say
putting
a
bit
of
a
pressure
in
terms
of
that
exemption.
I
That
was
happening
so
ultimately,
today
in
terms
of
development
charges.
What
happens
is
the
hospital
is
not
required
to
pay
the
full
dc's,
but
they
do
pay
the
transit
dc's.
The
issue
with
that
is
that
there
is
no
recognition
in
terms
of
a
local
share
contribution
with
respect
to
that
arrangement.
So
as
much
as
that
benefit
is
given,
we
cannot
claim
that
as
part
of
our
local
share
contribution.
D
With
mr
canelaca's
gonna
follow
up
and
remind
me
what
council
decided
about
contributions.
A
B
17
million
dollars
in
terms
of
fees
or
charges
and
seven
million
dollars.
A
In
land,
transfers
and
capital
grants
subsequently
in
2009
council
at
the
time
approved
this,
be
ms
paul's
policy
be
revised
and
it
was
a
sunset
clause.
B
Starting
subsequent
to
2009
the
sunset
files
of
reimbursing
building
permits
and
planning
applications.
D
A
G
N
Yes,
mr
man,
and
thank
you
roger
and
and
cameron,
I
I
I
will
echo
a
number
of
colleagues.
I
guess
we're
now
much
more
awake
of
some
of
the
shortfalls
in
in
health
funding
and
the
impacts
that
will
have
on
local
taxpayers
at
different
levels.
So
so
thank
you.
N
Thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
for
steering
the
ship
towards
a
a
new
world-class
hospital
which
is
much
needed
as
you've
rightly
described,
and
and
are
striving
for
and
and
roger
personally,
thank
you
for
leading
the
fundraising
campaign
and
for
for
your
personal
contribution.
It's
it's
it's
very
important.
So
so
I
guess
my
questions
are
really
to
staff,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
maybe
begin
by
that
wendy
on
on
the
framework
that
we're
proposing
are
there
any
directions?
That
would
be
helpful.
N
I
guess
it
comes
down
to
elements
that
are
needing
funding
for,
but
and
how
those
would
be
funded
and
sources
sources
specifically
for
us
like
if
we
accounted
for
at
this
point
city
infrastructure
upgrades
that
will
be
needed
for
this
site,
including
roadway
transit,
I'll,
go
even
as
far
as
as
a
hydro
which,
as
we
know
as
an
external
partner,
but
certainly
do
we
do.
I
So
thanks
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
walk
you
through
this
and
clarify
some
of
this.
That
is
a
part
of
the
important
work
that
we
need
to
take
away
and
do
when
the
site
plan
came.
There's.
Definitely
some
off-site
capital
works
that
are
identified
as
a
result
of
that
we
need
to
take
all
of
that
away.
We
need
to
put
values
to
those
things
to
determine
what
does
this
look
like?
I
What
is
the
dollar
value
associated
with
this,
and
then
that
would
form
part
and
parcel
in
terms
of
what
we
bring
back
to
you
as
to
could
this
be
the
low
part
of
the
local
share?
So
that's
part
of
the
work
that
we
need
to
do.
We
have
crafted
the
the
guiding
principles
such
that
it
gives
us
the
guidance
to
be
able
to
do
this
work.
So
when
you
talk
about,
you
know
necessary
or
other
directions.
I
We
feel
that,
with
the
framework
that
you
have
in
front
of
us
or
in
front
of
you
today
that
we
can
go
away
and
do
this
work,
we
don't
need
additional
directions
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I've
heard
a
number
of
great
suggestions
and
ideas
this
morning
that
we
will
take
away
with
respect
to
this
and
apply
those
lenses
and,
and
certainly
say
you
know,
if
anybody
has
any
ideas,
we're
always
welcome
to
hearing.
Please
do
share
them
and
we
will
take
them
away
and
we
will
look
at
those.
N
N
I
N
Okay,
okay,
just
final
comments
and
thank
you
wendy.
We
we
have
to
realize
not
only
the
importance
of
care
through
the
ottawa
hospital,
but
also
the
importance
to
our
local
economy.
Cameron
was
speaking
earlier
about
the
economic
impact
of
the
workforce
that
is
directly
hired
by
the
hospital
or
indirectly
and
offering
a
number
of
services.
N
I
know
counselors
were
very
territorial,
but
I
think
in
this
case
we
have
to
be
extremely
careful
on
how
we
position
that,
if,
if
someone
shows
up
with
a
heart
attack
at
mofa
and
is
sent
to
civic
heart
institute,
it
doesn't
matter
that
they
live
in
the
east
part
of
town.
If
someone
gives
birth
at
queen's
or
carlton
and
then
they're
there
there's
a
future
connection
to
chio
the
this
is
integrated
health
care
and
that's
what
we
want.
We
don't
want
to
be
territorial
health
care.
N
I
I've
had
personal
findings
of
that
with
family
members
that
have
had
to
go
to
saint
justin,
for
example,
for
treatment
for
for
cancer
treatment
or
or
epilepsy
research
that
out
of
montreal
years
ago.
So
the
integrated
network
of
free
healthcare
in
canada
requires
us
to
be
a
much
more
open-minded
professionals
and
world-class
healthcare
is
what
matters
and
then,
after
that,
the
patient
that
needs
it.
No
matter
where
they
live
will
be
connected.
N
I
think
we
need
to
be
open-minded
to
that
spirit,
that
cameron
is
team
and
the
health
professionals,
if
there
is
something
that
is
available
for
a
local
resident
to
get
treatment,
that's
not
available
in
ottawa.
They
connect
us
across
the
country
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
open-minded
to
doing
the
same
thing
so
just
putting
a
bit
of
a
cold
shower
on
some
of
those
comments
relating
to
territories.
N
I
think
it's
a
bit
broader
and-
and
I
I
applaud
the
patience
and
the
work
that
that
led
to
to
the
development
of
this
plan
and
yeah
future
councils
will
have
to
be
open
open
to
to
the
impacts
and
and
be
part
of
the
solution
along
the
way,
and-
and
I
will
put
my
caveat-
that
transit
needs
to
be
central
to
that
to
that
effort
again.
Thank
you.
H
Okay,
thank
you
councillor
harder
and
just
for
the
benefit
of
members
of
committee.
Deputy
mayor
de
roos
will
take
over
in
a
few
moments.
I
have
to
do
a
quick
interview
and
we'll
be
back,
but
we
have
counselor
harder
and
then
we
vote
on
this
report
and
then
we
go
to
community
partners
insurance
program
so
just
to
give
a
heads
up
to
counselor.
Deruse
that'll
be
the
next
item
where
mr
white
will
give
a
brief
presentation
and
then
there's
one
public
delegation,
mr
cullen,
so
counselor
harder.
K
Like
usual,
I
was
not
planning
on
speaking,
because
I
thought
that
this
opportunity
that
ms
stephenson
has
presented
to
us
through
the
ask
of
the
ottawa
hospital
was
quite
benign
in
the
fact
that
she's
asking
for
time
to
kick
the
tires
on
opportunity.
K
But
what
I've
heard
today
is
still
some
of
the
same
old
stories
about
who's
responsibility,
who's,
asking
who's,
giving
what
whatever
whatever
and
unfortunately
the
people
that
are
going
to
vote
on
this
request
today
seem
to
be
in
sync
with
supporting
the
opportunity,
as
laid
out
by
ms
stephenson.
I
thank
roger
greenberg.
K
Developer
that
you
are
mr
greenberg,
I
thank
you
because
in
this
city,
it's
not
like
toronto,
where
they
have
a
plethora
of
of
industry
that
step
up
to
the
plate.
We
that's
it.
That
is
not
who
we
are.
I
would
say
that
in
this
city,
the
people
that
contribute
the
most,
whether
it's
to
the
heart
institute,
whether
it's
to
the
arts
court,
whether
it
is
to
universities
and
hospitals,
the
mental
wreck,
the
rich
craft
center,
the
rich
craft
sends
etc,
etc.
Are
the
very
people
that
are
often.
K
We
are
fortunate
to
be
given
the
opportunity
by
the
province
to
have
this
state
of
the
art
facility.
You
know
what
I
heard
roger
saying
that
he
was
born
at
the
hospital
his
parents
were
born
in
the
hospital
sean
menard
has
said.
I
think
you
said
your
mom
was
born
at
the
hospital.
Certainly
I
was
born
at
the
hospital.
K
We
can
all
have
our
stories
of
parts
of
the
ottawa
hospital,
but
we
can't
what
we
can't
do
is
do
without
it,
and
what
we
can't
do
is
deny
that
we
must
move
forward
with
the
opportunity
and
not
hesitate
when
I
get
emails
from
people
still
talking
about.
Don't
pick
the
land
site
and
all
this
kind
of
nonsense
move
on.
We
have
moved
on
when
I
was
first
elected
back
in
1997.
K
I
think
it
was
in
1998.
I,
the
queensway
carlton
hospital,
asked
us
to
contribute
a
million
dollars
to
a
campaign.
They
were,
they
were
running
so
ask
the
peon
council,
and
I
was
the
swing
vote,
and
I
remember
calling
ben
franklin
that
afternoon
and
saying
you
know
what
ben
like
I'm
always
trying
to
be
fiscally
responsible,
I'm
always
trying
to
follow
like
whose
responsibility
it
is.
I
just
don't
know
what
to
do
and
he
said
to
me
jen.
K
It
is
about
such
a
greater
area.
It
brings
so
much
opportunity.
Somebody
was
talking
about
the
number
of
jobs.
I
look
at
the
at
the
research
dollars
that
it
brings
into
our
universities
to
upgrade
them
to
such
a
superior
level
about
the
industries
that
will
come
to
follow
it
because
they
want
to
be
here.
You
know
when
I
was
working
on
precision
agriculture.
K
A
few
years
back,
a
very
large
international
company
came
and
met
with
jack
kitts.
At
the
time
I
think
cameron
you
were
probably
on
that
call
wanting
to
be
in
a
place
that
understood
what
an
investment
in
health
care
meant
wanting
to
bring
their
head
offices
to
a
place
that
was
going
to
be
enriching
the
health
experience
for
families
and
for
employees.
K
A
little
a
little
golf
tournament
that
I
had
for
many
years,
we
raised
almost
a
million
dollars
for
the
queensway
carlton
hospital
and
I
will
never
ever
be
sorry
for
that,
and
I
certainly
a
council
will
be
supporting
this
opportunity
that
miss
stephenson
has
asked
us
to
give
her
the
time
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
step
up
to
the
plate,
to
make
sure
that
that
first
hospital
that
gets
the
money
is
the
ottawa
hospital.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
very
much,
counselor
harder.
I
see
anyone
on
the
committee
like
to
comment
before
we
move
to
the
vote.
I
don't
see
any
hands
up.
I
I
personally
want
to
thank
wendy
and
her
team
for
a
great
presentation.
I
also
want
to
thank
dr
cameron
love
for
being
here
this
morning
and,
of
course,
mr
greenberg
and
your
family
has
been
always
part
of
building
the
city.
It's
not
the
first
time
that
you
be
part
of
any
community
building
project
in
our
city.
J
We
do
have
presentation
from
dave
white
and
it
is
community
partner
insurance
program.
O
Thank
you.
My
apologies,
just
by
way
of
background
and
just
to
to
kind
of
set
up
the
the
the
basis
on
why
staff
are
here
and
why
staff
are
recommending
what
they
are
just
so
members
are
aware:
the
community
partners
insurance
program
has
existed
prior
to
amalgamation,
and
that's
because
you
know
the
former
municipalities
saw
value
in
providing
access
to
group
insurance
for
those
community
groups,
community
partners
that
were
providing
kind
of
community
programming
in
partnership
with
the
former
municipalities
and
so
at
amalgamation.
O
That
kind
of
program
was
continued
and
again
recognizing
that
those
community
groups
operate
essentially
as
an
extension
of
the
city
in
providing
that
kind
of
programming
that
they're
and
providing
access
to
that
coverage
provided
protection
for
the
association
as
well
as
for
the
city
at
the
time,
and
this
was
going
back
to
2001
staff
had
recommended
that
the
city
look
to
recover
the
cost
of
premiums
from
all
of
those
community
associations
and
that
would
have
been
started
in
2003
council
of
the
day,
determined
that
for
those
community
associations
that
were
already
receiving
their
their
insurance
premiums
from
the
municipality,
essentially,
their
return
to
premiums
were
paid.
O
And
so
what
we
have
had
since
2001
is
has
really
been
two
groups
in
the
community
partners
insurance
program,
those
whose
insurance
was
funded
by
the
municipality
and
those
that
had
to
provide
their
own
premiums,
and
that
was
irrespective
of
the
fact
that
they
may
well
have
been
providing
the
same
types
of
community
programming
all
again
in
partnership
with
the
city.
O
And
so
during
the
consideration
of
the
budget.
Last
year,
members
may
recall
some
members
of
council,
some
of
the
community
associations
had
raised
concerns
about
the
apparent
inequity
that
was
caused
in
that,
particularly
in
in
a
toughening
insurance
market,
with
rising
premiums
that
there
were
groups
essentially
providing
the
same
levels
of
service
and
the
same
types
of
programming
that
we're
not
receiving
community
or
sorry,
municipality,
funded
premiums,
and
so
staff
undertook
to
go
away
and
to
see
how
that
might
be
resolved.
O
O
The
other
concern
that
that
staff
had
heard
at
the
time,
of
course,
was
with
respect
to
the
the
growth
in
the
the
amount
of
the
deductible
and
that
had
been,
and
that
varies
depending
on
on
the
period
it
had
been
2
500
and
that's
the
amount
that
any
association
is
required
to
pay
in
the
event
that
there
is
a
claim,
so
that
had
gone
from
2500
to
drop
to
500.
O
O
So
that
is
in
essence,
what
staff
are
proposing
is,
in
essence,
to
put
all
of
the
the
community
groups
on
an
equal
footing.
Staff
are
not
proposing
to
essentially
to
do
away
with
the
parameters,
what
they
call
the
parameters
for
acceptance,
and
that's
why
there
still
should
be
some
shared
interest,
a
common
interest
between
the
municipality
and
the
community
group
in
terms
of
the
delivery
of
programming.
O
One
exposes
the
the
group
as
a
whole
to
significant
risk
in
terms
of
potential
premiums,
but
it's
also
just
not
good
risk
management
practice,
and
so
that's
what
staff
are
proposing
and
we
have
certain
staff
believe
that
we
have
addressed
the
concerns
about
the
the
kind
of
two-tiered
approach
that
it
existed
previously,
as
well
as
the
concerns
regarding
the
the
amount
of
the
deductible.
J
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
white,
for
the
contacts
and
for
the
verbal
presentation
we
do
have
one
delegation.
It's
mr
alex
colin
and
he's
not
strange
to
our
council
and
mr
khan.
Are
you
there?
J
D
D
Some
members
of
this
committee
will
remember
that
the
fca
showed
up
at
the
budget
meeting
of
community
and
protective
services
committee
and
the
to
raise
the
issue
about
the
community
partnership
insurance
program.
The
fact
it
was
capped
the
fact
there
was
about
30,
odd
community
associations,
particularly
in
the
growth
areas
that
were
outside
of
the
program
having
to
pay
full
freight
for
their
insurance,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
councillor
lulaf
for
his
leadership
in
recommending
that
staff
conduct
this
review.
D
This
review
came
about
because
we
showed
up
the
community
association
were
contacting
their
counselors,
and
the
committee
was
very
had
heard
the
message
and
staff
agreed
to
conduct
that
review.
The
assumption
was
that
we
would
be
consulted
in
that
review
and
that
review
would
be
completed
by
june.
Unfortunately,
just
less
than
a
little
more
than
10
days
ago,
we
became
aware
of
the
report,
and
what
we're
here
today
is
simply
to
ask
for
time
to
digest
the
report
talk
to
staff
about
the
unresolved
issues.
D
Mr
white
has
laid
out
how
the
groups
that
do
have
a
contract
relationship
come
into
the
system.
That's
fine
what's
happening
to
deductible,
that's
fine,
but
that's
not
the
whole
story.
As
you
know,
many
community
groups
use
city
facilities
for
other
events
and
we
would
want
to
talk
to
staff
about
okay.
What
can
be
done
to
enable
these
community
groups
to
continue
to
do
those
things?
So
all
we're
asking
for
is
time
time
for
us
to
consult
our
community
associations
meet
monthly.
D
Getting
the
report
just
a
matter
of
less
than
two
weeks
ago,
doesn't
cut
it
and
we're
just
asking
for
a
one
month:
deferral
to
your
next
june
meeting
so
that
we
can
talk
with
our
members,
talk
with
staff
and
come
back
with
an
informed
response
to
what
staff
are
proposing.
I
think
we're
on
the
right
road,
but
we
do
believe
that
public
consultation
in
this
matter
is
important
and
our
community
groups
are
asking
us
for
that
opportunity.
J
Thank
you,
mr
collin,
and
I
have
a
question
from
mr
collin.
I
missed
council.
J
J
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
my
question
to
mr
white.
If,
if
I
understand
correctly
so
we
some
of
the
communities
so
and
I'm
I'm
speaking
for
the
rural
area,
obviously
because
those
community
associations
are
not
staffed
by
city
staff,
they
are
obviously
the
city
support
them
and
and
help
them,
but
and
so
what's
going
to
change
for
them
today,
so
they
still
cover
the
the
member
on
the
board
or
the
director
on
the
board
and
the
activities.
But
what's
the
changes?
E
If
I
understand
it
correctly
from
the
report
is
going
to
be
for
a
new
user.
So
if,
if
someone
wants
to
use
the
hall
for
for
the
event,
they
have
to
have
extra
insurance,
is
that
what's
going
to
change
on
us.
O
Mr
chair
staff
aren't
proposing
changes
with
respect
to
insurance
for
what
we
would
call
like
a
one-off
event,
so
essentially
a
rental
agreement.
There
is
insurance
available
through
the
city,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
event
that
will
will
determine
the
cost.
It
is
normally
of
a
nominal
of
a
nominal
cost,
with
respect
to
a
rental
of
a
city
facility
to
a
community
group
or
whoever
it
might
be
to
rent
that
so
staff
aren't
proposing
any
change
in
that.
O
That
would
remain
and
again
that's
that's
available
at
a
very
nominal
cost.
What
you'll?
What
you'll
see
is
if
there
were
groups
that
were
providing
community
programming,
so
you
know
there
are.
O
There
are
any
number
of
groups
that
do
so
if
they
were,
if
they
were
required
to
fund
their
own
premiums
as
a
result
of
that
that
20
year
old
decision,
if
if
they
are
providing
that
same
kind
of
programming,
as
others
who
are
having
their
insurance
premiums
funded,
then
they
will
be
eligible
to
have
those
premiums
paid
by
the
city
going
forward.
O
E
So
is
it
fair
to
say
when,
when
we
talk
about
the
insurance,
it's
going
to
be
on
on
a
on
a
rental
like
this?
It's
not
going
to
be
a
standard
rate
crosses
it's
going
to
be
depend
on
the
group
and
the
user.
The
reason
I'm
asking
you
this
because
been
asked
from
our
community
every
time
they
want
to
rent
the
hall
they
have
to
reach
someone
in
the
city
and
it's
not
always
someone
dedicated
to
the
rural
community
association,
because
rural
community
association
is
different
than
other
community
around
by
the
city.
E
E
This
is
what
you
need
you
you
both
like
as
a
director
or
as
a
member
of
the
association
your
cover,
but
if,
if
you
have
this
group
their
own
programming,
they
have
to
talk
to
us
in
the
city,
whether
legal
or
recreational
stuff,
I'm
not
sure,
but
we
need
a
point
of
contact.
That's
what
what's
missing.
Sometimes.
O
Yeah,
I
think
there
are
kind
of
a
few
questions
in
that
I
should
be
clear.
The
community
partners
insurance
program
provides
only
what
we
call
cgl,
so
commercial
general
liability.
It
does
not
provide
it's
an
additional
insurance,
so
some
associations
may
wish
to
to
secure
directors
and
officers
liability
or
if
they
they
actually
have
their
own
property.
O
They
may
search
your
property,
and
while
we
provide
kind
of
an
avenue
to
secure
that,
that's
never
been
part
of
the
community
partners
insurance
program
in
terms
of
facility
rentals
again,
that
would
normally
be
handled
at
the
time
of
that
rental,
and
so
it
wouldn't,
you
wouldn't
necessarily
have
an
annual
premium.
That
would
cover
all
of
the
all
of
the
rentals
of
that
facility,
but
that
would
be
dealt
with
in
concert
between,
presumably
the
the
you
know,
facility,
group
and
legal
services,
if
need
be,.
E
J
I
think
mr
mayor
watson
is
back.
If
not
the
next
speaker
is
counselor
gala.
F
Mr
white,
can
you
define
a
little
bit
more
this
formal
written
service
agreement
association
with
the
associated
with
the
delivery
of
recreational,
cultural
or
community
services?
Community
associations
provide
a
wide,
wide
range
of
activities
through
partnerships
with
the
city.
There's
some
like
dover
court
that
have
quite
a
integrated
and
advanced
operation,
there's
others
that
might
have
some
very
small
programs
that
don't
even
run
year-round.
So
can
you
give
a
little
more
context
as
to
what
would
or
would
not
qualify.
O
Chair
the
the
principle
behind
the
the
cpip-
and
this
goes
back
to
when
it
was
established
20
some
odd
years
ago-
is
that
it
it's
it's.
It's
not
intended
for
one-off
events,
but
it
is
meant
for
ongoing
programs,
so
it
doesn't
need
to
be
year-round
programming.
A
number
of
associations
wouldn't
necessarily
be
providing
year-round
programs
simply
because
it
may
well
be
seasonal
or
something
like
that,
so
those
kinds
of
things
are
covered.
O
O
So
the
the
the
range
of
of
kind
of
cultural
and
recreational
program,
as
you
say,
is
quite
broad,
and
that's
again
that's
why
staff
are
proposing
this
this
period
to
ensure
that
those
the
agreements
that
we
have
that
the
city
in
kind
of
engages
those
community
groups
as
an
extension
of
city
programming,
that
those
are
in
place
that
they're
up
to
date
and
that
you
know
we
have
some
ability,
in
essence
to
to
ensure
that
they're
following,
for
example,
good
risk
management
practices.
F
Okay,
I
I
have
well.
The
stittsville
village
association
has
raised
some
concerns
which
you're
aware
of-
and
I
want
to
follow
up
with
some
some
specific
ones-
offline
and
not
take
the
committee's
time,
but
they
had
a
couple
of
specific
issues
that
I
wanted
to
raise
because
I'm
pretty
sure
they
would
apply
to
other
grandfathered
community
associations
who
have
been
relying
on
the
insurance
available
from
the
from
the
community
partner
program.
F
They
gave
two
examples:
one
is
their
canada
day
fireworks.
So
previously
their
insurance
was
covered
through
this
program
and
they're
very
concerned
about
about
not
being
able
or
not
being
able
to
afford
insurance
without
the
partnership
program
through
the
city
and
the
other
is
around
the
annual
parade,
an
important
civic
event.
It's
not
officially
a
civic
city
program
but
they're
concerned
that
that
would
no
longer
be
insurable
because
of
the
high
costs
of
their
organization.
F
O
Chair
those
are
certainly
things
that
that
staff
we
we
look
at
all
the
time
and
we
we
would
do
that
in
in
concert
with
the
our
our
colleagues
in
the
various
operating
departments,
but
certainly
there,
the
city
has
access
through
its
broker
to
insurance
for
those
types
of
events
that
it
can,
it
can
provide
either
access
to
or
dependent
on
the
nature
of
the
funding
model
it
may
be
able
to
fund
those.
O
But,
generally
speaking,
the
again,
the
individual,
one-off
events
aren't,
would
or
wouldn't
be
something
that
would
be
covered
by
the
community
partners
insurance
program,
but
it
might
still
be
available
under
the
the
the
kind
of
the
package
of
the
city's
overall
integrated
program
or
at
least
access
to
it.
F
Okay,
thank
you
and
last
question
is
around
what
kind
of
benchmarking
or
comparisons
have
you
done
with
other
ontario
municipalities?
Is
this
in
line
with
what
what
we
would
see
in
other.
O
Mayor
staff
are
actually
aren't
aware
of
any
municipality
that
provides
funding
for
the
premiums.
If
I
go
back,
if
I
actually
go
back
to
2001,
the
recommendation
was
that
the
municipality
recovered
those
premiums
from
the
community
associations,
and
so
we
we're
in
a
bit
of
a.
I
don't
know
if
we're
unique
in
that
regard.
B
Thank
you
very
much
mayor,
so
I
I
am
concerned,
I
I
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
come
fully
to
grips
with
what
this
report
means
for
the
community
associations
in
kitchissippi.
I
I'm
not
on
this
committee.
B
I
I
hope
that
a
member
of
this
committee
will
put
forward
a
motion
to
defer
this
item
until
the
july
meeting,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
from
staff
if
I
can,
what
what
the
implications
of
deferring
us
for
a
month
would
be,
so
we
can
consult
with
the
associations
and
community
groups
that
are
going
to
be
most
affected.
Colleagues,
I
I
have
a
long
history
in
in
my
community,
with
with
events
that
require
insurance.
B
We
at
the
hintonburg
community
association
I
created
the
hintonburg
5k.
We
held
the
arts
park,
festival,
kris
kringle,
a
big
craft
fair.
We
did
the
street
hockey
tournament
every
year
and
the
world
famous
movie
night
for
dogs
and
all
of
those
events
closed
streets.
They
book
city
facilities,
they
book
our
parks
and
they
all
require
that
two
million
dollars
of
general
liability
insurance
in
order
for
the
city
to
provide
the
special
events
permits
for
those
to
move
ahead.
B
And
my
question
for
staff
is
in
this
reworking
of
the
insurance
program.
The
hca
has
typically
taken
advantage
of
the
preferential
rates
that
are
available
through
the
city
to
insure
itself.
Will
that
be
able
to
continue?
Because
none
of
these
events
are
are
city
events
they're
not
delivered
in
partnership
with
the
city.
O
Chair
I'll
answer,
the
last
question:
first,
the
the
what
what
staffer
proposing
does
not
change
the
the
access
or
the
availability
of
insurance
for
those
types
of
events,
the
city
still
is
able
to
procure
insurance
that
provides
favorable
rates.
O
But
again
the
the
kind
of
the
leveling
of
the
playing
field
staff
didn't
go
so
far
are
not
proposing
to
go
so
far
as
to,
for
example,
eliminate
the
insurance
requirements
that
might
apply
in
the
event
of
a
parade
or
some
other
event.
That
goes
through,
for
example,
the
the
special
events
bylaw
or
something
like
that
and
those
insurance
requirements.
O
Again.
You
know
where
that
is
a
community
association.
The
city
may
have
may
provide
access
to
favorable
premiums,
but
that
that
doesn't
get
to
the
the
kind
of
the
leveling
or
the
the
removal
of
the
inequity
between
the
groups
that
are
providing
that
ongoing
programming,
whose
premiums
were
funded
by
the
city
and
those
that
were
that
are
addressed
by
this
report.
O
Chair
always
again
subject
to
the
availability
of
the
insurance
itself.
So
if,
for
example,
the
insurance
industry
and
the
nutrients
market
as
a
whole
determines
that,
for
reasons
of
risk
that
it's
not
prepared
to
to
ensure
fireworks
or
something
like
that,
there
might
be
limitations,
but
otherwise
that
whatever
access
they
have
had
has
been
continued.
And
it's
unaffected.
By
this.
B
Okay
and
then
for
those
groups
that
have
a
rink,
because
I
I've
got
a
couple
of
the
community
associations
who
offer
a
bit
of
community
programming,
but
they
also
run
a
rink.
Is
the
city
going
to
be
paying
their
premiums.
O
Chair
the
the
premiums
for
rink
operators
are
are
separated
apart
in
the
last.
I
do
believe
year
or
two.
They
have
been
folded
under
the
city's
overall
integrated
program,
so
they're
no
longer
provided
separately
through
the
what
we
call
the
cpip
the
community
partners
program.
Their
insurance
is
funded
by
the
city
and
the
city
essentially
extends
its
own
insurance
to
cover
them
through
the
operation
of
the
city
rings.
O
Normally,
the
the
rink
operation
program
would
cover
their
again
that
that
covers
the
operation
of
their
rank.
If
it
were
a
one-off
event
or
something
like
that,
then
that
would
presumably
be
a
separate
that
may
require
separate
insurance
for
that
again,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
event,
the
number
of
attendees,
the
nature
of
the
activities
that
are
planned
and
things
like
that,
all
of
which
can
affect
what
the
individual
premium
might
be,
though,
as
I
say,
it
tends
to
be
a
nominal
amount.
B
Okay,
I
I'm
concerned
that
the
community
groups
that
are
providing
a
lot
of
programming
that
is
not
being
delivered
as
part
of
a
city
mandate,
don't
have
a
good
grip
on
the
implications
of
this
report
for
them.
I
still
don't
feel
as
though
I
know
what
the
implications
would
be
for
the
community
programming
that's
offered
by
a
variety
of
groups
in
in
my
ward.
B
I
would.
I
would
ask
a
member
of
this
committee
to
put
forward
a
motion
to
defer
this
until
the
next
fedco
meeting.
H
H
Thank
you,
counselor
councillor,
lulas.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
white.
If
this
was
to
rise
to
council
on
the
first,
the
the
first
council
meeting
of
june,
does
that
still
give
you
enough
time
to
to
execute
the
renewal,
or
is
this
something
that
has
to
be
that
has
to
be
dealt
with
today
and
then
rise
to
the
next
council.
O
Chair,
obviously,
you
know
staff
are
in
are
in
the
community's
hands
in
that
regard,
the
renewal
takes
place
in
june
in
the
event
that
the
the
matter
is
deferred
there
may
be,
there
will
be
an
administrative
burden
in
that
or
community
associations.
O
Community
groups
that
might
otherwise
become
eligible
in
the
event
that
the
staff
recommendation
is
approved
might
need
to
secure
their
own
insurance
for
that
period,
whether
they
need
to
whether
they
can
do
that
on
the
basis
of
like
a
monthly
premium
or
something
like
that
and
refund
or
and
have
it
canceled.
O
H
So
councillor
lulaf,
we
do
have
a
another
council
meeting
may
25th.
Would
that
give
people
enough
time
to
bring
specific
concerns
to
mr
white
and
mr
white?
Is
that
gets
you
out
of
that
situation
where
there's
no
coverage
on
june
1st
because
of
the
25th.
O
Certainly,
mr
mayor
happy
to
work
with
with
any
members
that
have
specific
questions
and
to
try
and
address
any
of
those
questions
or
concerns.
H
So
counselor
luloff
would
you
then
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
will
of
the
committee.
I
I've
missed
part
of
the
debate.
Unfortunately,
but
is
there
a
desire,
maybe
that
we
take
this
offline
so
that
individual
counselors
can
try
to
deal
with
specific
situations
in
your
own
wards
and
then
have
directed
this
item?
Come
back
to
council
on
the
25th.
H
Appropriate
so
I'll
I'll
move
that
we
defer
this
item
to
the
council
meeting
of
may
25th
and
in
the
interim,
the
onus
is
on
you
as
individual
counselors
to
go
to
mr
white
or
the
appropriate
staff
to
try
to
get
the
the
issues
answered
to
the
best
of
their
ability
and
we'll
we'll
debate
it
at
the
25th.
Is
that
agreeable?
I
think
that's
entirely
critical
members.
Members
agreed
okay.
H
So
thank
you
for
that,
mr
white
and
again
colleagues,
if
you
who
should
they
contact
mr
white,
is
it
you
or
someone
else
specifically
so
that
members
of
council
know
who
to
contact
before
the
25th.
O
Mr,
I
would
say
I
would
simply
suggest
any
any
counselors
with
questions
reach
out
to
me
and
I'll
deal
with
my
team
and
potentially
mr
shange's
team
and
we'll
get
those
questions
answered.
B
H
H
H
Well,
because
you
can
ask
them,
the
whole
purpose
was
to
take
it
off
side
to
deal
with
it.
We
we
went
through
this
debate
in
the
last
five
minutes.
Counselor
all
right.
H
Other
business
just
to
remind
people
that
they
fed
call
me.
H
Our
meeting
on
friday
begins
at
9
00
a.m.
Deputy
clerk
is
that
correct,
not
9,
30.