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Special Joint Planning Committee/ Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - May 11, 2020 Part 2 (meeting continued on May 12 and 19, 2020)
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B
C
Everyone,
oh
my
goodness,
I've
got
some
great
news
for
you
please.
What
did
you
do
you?
You
haven't
had
a
haircut
in
a
long
time,
nice
pleat
that
haven't
seen
you
in
a
long
time,
like
a
lot
I'm,
probably
like
last
summer,
some
okay,
all
right!
So,
let's,
let's
just
do
a
quick
quorum
check
to
see
how
we're
doing
there.
B
C
Man's
here
now,
great
so
I
don't
have
it
at
the
motion
yet.
But
I
wanted
to
tell
you
that
I've
heard
from
a
few
of
you
and
counselor
and
and
chair
ocean
Terry
and
I
have
been
talking
and
I've
been
talking
with
staff.
We've
got
a
lot
of
people,
I
think
that
we've
had
excellent
presentations
today
across
the
board.
Very
very
interesting.
We
all
know
how
important
this
is
to
our
city
and
I
remind
you.
C
We
were
supposed
to
do
this
in
December,
so
anybody
that
doesn't
remember
that
it
was
supposed
to
be
before
us
in
December
and
the
Algonquian
of
Ontario
asks
us
to
delay
it,
and
then
they
were
the
first
ones
to
speak
today.
So
having
hey
John,
so
here's
here's.
What
we're
thinking
we
looked
at.
First
of
all,
some
silly
people
thought
that
maybe
Friday
would
be
a
good
day
and
that's
the
day
before
the
long
weekend,
and
we
really
enjoy
that.
C
Even
if
we
can
do
nothing,
go
nowhere,
talk
to
nobody
give
no-one
a
hug
have
no
kind
of
fun
but
other
than
that
it's
still
a
long
weekend,
and
then
we
looked
at
tomorrow.
But
no,
no,
because
that's
not
fair
to
the
people
that
have
signed
up
today,
I
really
believe
that
it
put
today
on
hold
and
so
I
really.
C
You
know
I
hate
the
thoughts
of
even
even
disappointing
them.
So
we
thought
the
next
Wednesday,
which
is
the
20th.
It
was
supposed
to
be
a
transit
committee
at
a
Transit
Commission
meeting
that
we
use
that
day.
We
start
at
9.
We
thought
that
tonight
we
could
go
through
another
30
because
we
still
have
70
70
people
wanting
to
speak
to
us
right
now.
So
if
we
went
through
another
30,
that
still
probably
will
take
us
beyond
9
o'clock
at
the
rate
we're
going,
but
it
would
give
us
time.
C
Staff
could
really
have
time
to
well
had
they
were
ready
for
the
questions
anyways.
But
you
know
the
motions
and
things
like
that,
give
us
time
to
have
be
ready
for
that.
Give
some
thought
to
it.
Listen
to
some
more
well
another
49
we're
not
adding
anybody
to
the
list
where
you
were
is
where
you,
where
you
are
starting
at
9
o'clock
on
Wednesday
the
20th.
C
The
other
thing
I
checked
is
that
the
the
still
will
go
from
next,
the
20th
to
the
27th
at
councils,
so
it
still
fits
in
the
same
timeline
which,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
very
tight
timeline
right.
So
by
I.
Don't
have
the
motion
yet,
but
I
will
buy
no,
just
just
like
thumb
just
thumbs
up
or
something.
How
do
you
feel
about
that?
Does
anybody
strongly
object,
because
I'm
really
torn
but
I
know
that
we're
gonna
go
beyond
midnight
for
sure
and
I?
Don't
think
that
that's
fair
either?
C
C
That
okay,
put
your
thumbs
back
up.
Cuz
I
have
to
count
committee
members,
okay,
one!
That's
cheating,
Laura
one,
two,
three,
four:
five,
six!
Seven!
While
we
wait,
you
won,
we
don't
have
to
count
any
more
okay.
So
that's
we're
gonna
do
with
staff
are
working
on
a
motion
now
and
so
we'll
continue
on
and
we'll
leave
when,
when
the
last
person,
so
we
have
Jason
your
first
Jason
Birk
ruff
and
then
the
last
person
today
will
be
Rosalyn
he'll.
The
SAP
will
adjust
the
list
from
Marni
Peters
to
Ed
Phillip.
C
B
C
E
All
right
thanks
very
much
good
afternoon,
thanks
for
giving
me
the
time
to
speak,
go
bonus.
Member
support
this
so
called
status
quo
scenario
as
the
appropriate
growth
management
strategy
for
the
city.
While
we
appreciate
the
hard
work,
the
staff
put
into
their
report
and
their
continuing
dialogue
with
Golda
and
other
stakeholders,
our
concern
is
that
their
recommended
plan
of
increasing
intensification
from
our
current
40%
to
60%
has
not
been
modeled
or
demonstrated
to
be
achievable
if
we
approve
an
intensification
rate.
That
is
not
realistic
and
then
underestimate.
E
Our
land
supply
needs
because
of
it,
and
we
will
not
be
able
to
provide
the
number
of
homes
we
need
for
our
projected
growth
of
400,000
new
Ottawa
residents
by
2046,
and
this
will
have
a
negative
impact
on
housing,
affordability
and
choice
for
all,
and
it's
not
just
about
the
number
of
homes,
but
the
appropriate
supply
of
all
types
as
well.
The
provincial
policy
statement
requires
that
our
official
plan
include
the
provision
of
an
appropriate
range
and
mix
of
housing
options
and
densities
to
meet
projected
market-based
and
affordable
housing
needs
of
the
regional
market
area.
E
In
staffs
analysis,
and
they
have
laid
out
how
many
single
detached
semies
row
houses
and
apartments
that
they
need
to
put
into
existing
neighborhoods.
The
problem,
though,
is
that
this
hasn't
been
mapped
or
modeled
to
show
that
it's
achievable
staff
are
calling
on
16,000
new
single
detached
homes
to
be
built
within
existing
communities.
Where
are
they
gonna
go?
E
Is
there
space
for
them,
or
is
there
space
for
the
four
thousand
semies
or
twenty
thousand
row
houses
that
are
also
supposed
to
go
into
existing
neighborhoods
Golda
has
consistently
urged
for
intensification
mapping
and
modeling
so
that
we
know
what
we
can
accommodate
and
then
we
can
get
community
buy-in.
But
I
want
to
repeat
that
the
provincial
policy
statement
requires
that
you
ensure
that
there's
a
range
and
mix
of
housing
options
for
residents
of
Ottawa.
E
The
current
government
of
Ontario
has
made
this
very
clear
to
us
very
clear
to
the
provincial
Home
Builders
Association,
and
to
all
municipalities,
as
particularly
those
who
have
seen
a
dramatic
increase
in
house
prices
and
not
like
Ottawa.
If
the
city
doesn't
offer
a
healthy
mix
of
housing,
then
it's
not
doing
its
job
in
the
responsible
provision
of
housing
for
residents,
and
that
leads
us
to
why
we
don't
believe
that
a
60%
intensification
rate
is
realistic.
All
of
you
know
that
infill
projects
often
receive
opposition
from
constituents,
community
groups
and
increasingly
some
elected
officials.
E
Our
submission
details:
how
impediments
to
intensification
have
meant
a
significant
shortfall
in
the
number
of
homes
we
could
have
already
hacked
within
existing
communities.
First,
in
the
staff
report,
it's
acknowledged
that
the
average
rate
of
intensification
increased
from
38
to
39
percent
over
seven
years
from
2011
to
2018
one
percent,
an
additional
one
percent
in
seven
years,
with
increasingly
difficult
community
battles,
councillor
opposition,
OMB
and
Ellicott
appeals.
Now
staff
are
calling
for
an
increase
of
about
five
percent.
E
Every
five
years
going
forward
earlier
today,
staff
noted
that
the
PPS
calls
for
an
intensification
targets
that
are
reasonable
and
achievable,
and
there
are
risks
if
we
do
not
achieve
our
intensification
targets,
those
risks,
our
housing,
supply,
affordability
and
choice.
As
the
stewards
and
guardians
of
your
communities,
do
you
truly
believe
that
a
60
percent
intensification
rate
is
actually
achievable?
Secondly,
each
time
we
do
a
new
development
charge
background
study.
There
is
a
forecast
for
housing
construction
inside
and
outside
the
Greenbelt.
E
Since
the
2009
DC
study,
now,
we've
had
an
annual
shortfall
of
466
homes
per
year
that
were
expect
to
be
built
inside
the
Greenbelt,
but
worked
since
the
2014
DC
study.
The
trend
is
even
worse:
we've
had
a
shortfall
of
771
homes
per
year
that
were
not
built
inside
the
Greenbelt
and
we
were
expecting
them
to
be.
This
speaks
to
our
overall
inability
to
densify
and
the
struggle
to
get
to
the
40%
intensification
level
where
we
are
now
given
this
reality.
E
Where
is
the
justification
that
we
can
increase
to
60%
proper
zoning
for
low-rise
won't
be
ready
until
2023
at
the
earliest,
the
middle
of
the
first
five
year
period
and
staffs
staffs
plan,
intensification
yields
and
staffs
recommended
scenario
therefore,
are
already
going
to
be
short
by
4,000
over
4,000
homes.
There's
no
evidence
that
we're
likely
to
achieve
the
60
percent
intensification
target
and
therefore
we
will
fall
well
short
of
195
thousand
homes
we
need
for
future
residents.
That's
why
the
quote
unquote.
C
B
C
G
And
I
will
try
to
keep
it
relatively
brief.
Chair
Jason
I
take
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
that
it
comes
with
explicit
instructions
on
how
to
read
it
and
I
want
to
take
a
look
first
here
at
the
section
of
the
provincial
policy
that
says,
read
the
entire
provincial
policy
statement.
Fair
enough.
The
provincial
policy
statement
is
more
than
a
set
of
individual
policies.
It
is
to
be
read
in
its
entirety
and
the
relevant
policies
are
to
be
applied
to
each
situation
when
more
than
one
policy
is
relevant.
G
A
decision-maker
should
consider
all
of
the
relevant
policies
to
understand
how
they
work
together.
The
language
of
each
policy,
including
the
implementation
interpretation
of
all
policies,
will
assist
decision-makers
in
understanding
how
the
policies
are
to
be
implement.
Some
of
the
clear
direction
in
the
provincial
policy
statement
is
that
we
should
be
avoiding
urban
sprawl.
We
should
be
intent
and
relying
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
on
intensification
rather
than
the
addition
of
new
lands.
How
do
you
feel
that
your
assertion
that
we
are
required
to
offer
as
many
single-family
homes
as
the
market
wants
fits
with?
G
E
We
we
have
no
trouble
understanding
that
the
role
that
supply
has
when
we
talk
about
various
housing
types,
we
have
no
trouble
recognizing
that
a
lack
of
supply
in
social
housing
and
supportive
housing
effects
affects
you,
know,
people
who
need
that
type
of
housing
and
that
we
need
more
of
it.
We
have
no
trouble
recognizing
that
the
supply
of
rental
housing
is
critical
to
the
price
of
rents
and
the
availability
and
and
the
necessary
necessity
that
there's
enough
rental
housing
available
and
how
it
affects
vacancy
rents
across
the
city.
E
I,
don't
understand
why
supply
then,
in
the
context
of
private
market,
housing
suddenly
becomes
invalid.
You
know
we're
talking
about
housing
that
is
490
odd
percent
of
Ottawa
pnes.
It's
a
critical
part
of
the
of
the
city,
it's
meeting
market
demand
keeps
people
in
the
city
and
it's
a
it's
an
important
thing
to
keep
in
consideration,
but.
G
I
mean
certainly,
how
do
you
feel
that
we've
been?
We
have
heard
from
even
folks
in
industries
that
if
the
single-family
home
isn't
available
that
people
will
choose
rather
than
longer,
commutes
they'll
choose
the
semi-detached
product.
That's
in
the
same
price
range
we
heard
from
the
real
estate.
Folks
that
you
know
they'll
choose
a
condominium.
That's
in
the
core.
There
is
a
certain
level
of
substitutability
I.
G
Think
the
number
of
trips
that
are
projected
to
be
generated
speaks
to
you,
a
few
thousand
people
moving
out
of
the
municipal
boundary,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
most
people.
Most
people
who
are
going
to
work
in
Ottawa
are
going
to
live
in
Ottawa.
If
they
can't
get
a
single-family
home,
won't
they
choose
other
products.
I
wouldn't.
E
Equate
substitutability
with
choice,
people
who
strive
for
a
single-family
home,
and
then
you
know,
don't
necessarily
choose
a
townhome.
They
settle
for
a
townhome,
some
choose
townhomes
and
some
choose
to
live
in
various
parts
of
the
city.
There's
no
I
wouldn't
say
that
that's
necessarily
a
choice
in
that
case,
it's
always
as
always
a
balance
of
what
I
can
afford.
What
are
my
needs
where
I
work
in
a
city
where
I
might
have
family
there's
any
number
of
considerations
on
an
ending
of
Larry?
What
type
of
house
you
live
in?
Okay,.
G
E
G
E
We
would
absolutely
love
to
see
the
zoning
redone
I
have
had
I
have
easily
a
dozen
infill
builders
who
have
spent
countless
hours
on
infill,
1
and
2
on
our
4.
But,
let's
be
honest,
I
mean
I.
I
watched
the
April
9th
PC
meeting
where
there
was
an
update
on
our
four.
There
was
a
12-minute
presentation
by
staff,
and
then
there
was
40
minutes
of
discussion,
and
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
humming
and
hawing
and
well
I,
don't
know
and
we'll
have
to
see
what
you
know
how
it
comes
out.
E
G
Really
you
need
to
have
unanimous
support
from
councillors
to
go
that
way.
The
goba
has
been
running
a
advertising
campaign
that
is
purports
to
show
development
patterns.
When
I
took
a
look
at
Westboro,
what
I
saw
was
no
development
shown
where
all
the
development
is
occurring
along
Scott
Street,
a
ton
of
tall
towers
shown
where
there's
no
realistic
chance
that
the
people
who
have
built
very
large
expensive
homes
overlooking
Westboro
Beach,
are
going
to
sell
their
land
and
no
intensification
at
the
missing
middle
scale.
G
E
I
mean
photo,
10
can
speak
to
it
a
little
better.
I
know
this
Miguel
is
coming
up
in
a
few
things.
We
can
speak
to
any
particular.
It
is
potential
development
scenarios
to
be
laid
out
for
sure,
and
the
realistic
thing
is
we're
trying
to
help
encourage
the
can
Federation
and
the
debate
about
intensification.
What
do
it
actually
or
could
potentially
look
like
on
the
ground?
That's
the
conversation
that
we
haven't
had
as
part
of
this
discussion.
E
As
of
yet
especially,
if
we're
going
to
reach
to
60%,
and
that's
that's
the
kind
of
mapping
that
you
know,
staff
are
supposed
to
be
providing
again,
you
know
the
concern.
Is
we
choose
or
you
you
guys
choose
60%
now,
then
all
of
a
sudden
mapping,
just
like
the
ones,
maybe
not
in
any
particular
property,
but
mapping
like
the
ones
that
we
provided
are
going
to
come
out
later
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
concern,
moving
forward
of
geez.
G
When
you're
talking
to
residents
and
encourage
him
to
phone
their
counselors
in
favor,
one
policy
position
or
another
shouldn't
that
have
been
much
more
comprehensive,
you
didn't
show
you
know:
Tony's
pasture
Scott,
Street
the
corner
of
Park,
Dale
and
Scott.
You
know
you
didn't,
show
her.
The
intensification
is
already
planned
to
go
and
which
will
take
much
of
the
pressure
off
the
need
to
build
20
story
towers
on
Kerch
offer
in
Westborough
Beach.
E
C
Thank
you.
Well,
that's
your
that's
your
own
opinion
and
now
we're
just
gonna.
Have
you
know
it
is
6:35
and
I
am
we
still
don't
have
actually
will
go
below
the
beyond
seven
o'clock?
So
I
do
have
a
motion,
a
procedure
motion
on
that
just
stay
there
Jason
we're
not
yet
okay,
counselor
McKenney
counselor
everybody
wants
to
talk
to
you.
Does
everyone
want
to
talk
to?
You
know
counselor?
Okay,
so
because
we're
going
to
go
beyond
seven,
we
need
a
motion.
C
B
C
We
got
we
have.
Can
you
see
that
melody
who's
voting?
You
need
to
know.
Thank
you.
That's
fine,
okay,
good!
All
right
so
I
know
some
people
are
saying
no
that
they
would
like
to
come
back
tomorrow.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
conflicts.
We
have
a
library
board
at
five
o'clock
and
we
have
a
subcommittee
of
the
Ottawa
police
services,
so
I'm
asking
staff
to
find
out.
C
If
that's
all,
we
have
not
that
I
minimize
in
the
library,
because
I'm
not
and
I,
don't
know
what
space
they
take
and
what
space
that
staff
would
have.
But
if
that's
better
for
the
people
that
wanted
to
speak
today,
then
maybe
what
we
do
is
we
actually
and
earlier
this
evening
because
it'll
be
done.
It'll
be
till
six
o'clock
tomorrow
for
sure,
because
we're
going
to
be
asking
questions
of
staff,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
motions
correct
or
we
all
can
I
just
say.
C
A
C
A
C
I
think
that
we
don't
go
as
late
then
tonight
as
we
were
going
to,
because
that's
just
that's
just
too
much
it
just
is
okay
I,
so
we've
still
got
staff
finding
matter
and
as
soon
as
they
have
it,
I'll
come
back
to
you
so
right
now
we're
going
to
count
camp,
counselor,
McKinney
and
then
counselor
flurry
questions
of
Jason
burr
frat
boy.
Can
you
please
make
every
point
not
to
soliloquized
and
I'm,
not
just
talking
to
you
Catherine
I'm,
talking
to
everybody.
B
A
The
flurry
seriously
please
now
thank
you
Jason
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
for
the
conversation
last
week.
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
two
items,
so
this
is
to
give
a
quick
summary,
but
your
questions
were
around
ramping
up
intensification.
How
do
we
do
it
in
our
in
part
of
our
conversation,
and
you
spoke
to
wear
those
dwellings
were
going
I'm
curious
to
see
from
an
association?
A
E
A
Okay,
but
you
did
speak
to
me
about
the
part
of
your
concern-
was
around
the
lack
of
modeling
mm-hmm.
Yes,
and
you
had
shared
with
me
that
the
FCA
was
in
line
with
goba
on
that
so
wondering
it
may
be
I'm
miss
miss
phrasing
it.
But
can
you
further
your
thought
on
what's
what's
missing
in
the
modeling
out,
that
would
provide
a
better
understanding
of
some
of
those
intensification
targets
so.
E
It's
the
actual
mapping
of
the
city,
you
know,
and
Sheila
can
certainly
correct
me
in
her
in
her
own
deputation,
but
there
hasn't
been
any
layout
of
what
are
the
nodes.
What
are
the
corridors?
What
are
the
arterioles
that
are
likely
to
be
up
zone
from
wherever
they
are
now
to
r4
or
to
even
higher
so
that
it,
the
staff
will
have
laid
out
of
where
they
expect
that
intensification
to
go
and
what
type
of
intense
invasion
it
could
very
well
be.
E
That
is
supposed
to
be
part
of
what's
coming
in
December,
but
you
know
here
we
are
now
picking
that
number.
If
it's
50
percent
or
60
percent,
or
you
know
whatever
the
number
is,
and
then
we
have
no
idea
like
to
you
know,
council
believers,
point
of
what
the
actual
buildings
will
be.
You
can
you
know
it's.
This
is
the
issue.
Is
there's
no
anticipation
of
what
it
will
look
like?
What's
the
effect
on
the
ground,
how
will
my
ward
and
my
neighborhood
change?
A
H
H
Actually,
the
60
percent
we're
looking
for
like
I'm,
just
not
seeing
what
the
outrageous
intensification
target
is
I'm,
seeing
that
we
are
already
achieving
it
within
the
the
boundary
that
we
have
so
I.
Just
don't
you
know
when
you
see
what
to
go
from
40
to
60
I,
go
back
to
and
I
don't
have
it
right
in
front
of
me,
but
I
go
back
to
the
modeling
that
was
done
earlier.
H
E
Guess
I
think
I
can
actually-
and
this
is
part
of
the
issue
of
where
the
where
the
gold
posts
have
changed
back.
You
know,
like
you
referred
back
before
Christmas
over
the
summer
staff
were
talking
about
that
we
had
achieved
quote-unquote,
50%
intensification
and
it
was
being
floated
that
there
would
be
a
60%
intensification,
so
maybe
an
increase
of
about
10%.
But
what
has
staff
has
had
to
come
come
and
do
from
this
point
is
say:
wait,
okay,
when
we're
actually
considering
intensification.
We
can't
talk
about
collective.
We
can't
include
collective
dwellings.
E
We
you
know
in
terms
of
student
residences,
in
terms
of
old-age
homes.
We
can't
include
vacant
land
that
has
plant
that
has
plans
on
it.
That
was
greenfield
but
hasn't
been
developed
in
4e
in
in
a
phase
for
years.
Pre.
Yes,
so
in
fact
staff
had
to
take
a
step
back
from
where
they
were
in
December
and
take
out
all
those
numbers
to
what
you
see
today.
That's
why
achievement
and
it's
in
the
staff
report-
that's
why
achievement
has
dropped
from
that
50
percent
number.
H
The
other
thing
too,
we
keep
talking
about,
is
the
mix
of
housing
and
what
people
want
to
want
to
see,
but
again
just
for
clarification
purposes,
we're
talking
about
the
same
mix
of
housing,
whether
it's
going
to
be
in
the
existing
urban
boundary
or
outside
of
the
urban
boundary.
Is
that
not
correct
absolutely.
A
E
It
realistic:
is
it
realistic
to
think
that
we
are
in
a
bit
16,000
single-family
new
single-family
homes
in
the
urban
boundary?
Is
it
realistic
to
say
you
know
we're
gonna
get
4,000
semies,
28,000
townhomes
and
that
you
know
that's
only
that's
half
of
the
existing
that's
half
of
the
housing
types
that
are
supposed
to
go
into,
they
built
boundary
now
staff.
Again
it
goes
back
to
the
mapping
staff
haven't
shown
that
there
is
even
physical
capacity
for
the
for
that
within
the
built
boundary
and
that's
the
question.
H
Nothing
wrong
with
that
Jason
one
last
question:
you
talked
about
us
as
a
city
under
performing
if
you
will
not
not
providing
enough
housing
over
the
last
several
years,
but
if
we
go
back
to
2003
and
what
our
population
projections
were
for
actually
this
year,
2020
as
we
did
our
so
you
know,
look
ahead,
2020
after
amalgamation.
Okay,
at
that
point,
we
had
anticipated
that
we
would
be
at
postal
1.2
million
residents
at
this
point.
E
But
if
that
was
also
an
estimate
from
17
years
ago,
you
know
DC.
Study
now
is
five
years
six
years
at
most,
so
one
would
expect
that
our
you
know
your
estimations
are
always
much
closer
to
the
event
that
and
they
get
worse
as
they
go
farther
out.
So
the
fact
that
we've
haven't
gotten
you
know
over
700
new
homes
that
we
were
counting
on
over
the
past
number
of
years
only
goes
to
show
how
difficult
it
is
in
this
city
to
do
intensification
or.
E
C
C
C
We
can't
go
past
five
o'clock
because
the
library
board's
meeting
then
and
the
library
board
has,
as
you
said,
council
Brockington,
but
that's
not
the
reason,
there's
just
a
procedural
bylaw
that
says
that
you
can't
meet
when
a
board
or
a
standing
committee
is
meeting
so
here's
the
option
if
we
go
till
8:00
o'clock
tonight,
start
back
at
9:00
morning
and
have
everything
wrapped
up
at
5:00.
What
do
you
think
the
chances
are
being
very
honest
about
it?
C
You're
all
gonna
have
to
tighten
up
questions
and
that
so
I'm
asking
you
because
really,
if
do
you
want
to
come
back
a
third
day?
I?
Don't
I?
Really
don't
so
that's
where
we
are
now
I
think
we'll
go
to
another
speaker
so
think
about
it.
Everybody
could
come
back
to
me
on
the
text
or
whatever.
That
would
be
great.
Okay,
I
know
most
people
did
say:
let's
do
it
tomorrow,
but
then
we
have
the
library
or
that's
a
fly
in
the
ointment.
If
you
will
okay,
so
the
next.
B
I
I
would
expect
from
staff
in
examining
and
bringing
forward
balanced
recommendations
for
managing
growth
within
the
framework
of
the
planning
horizon
for
the
new
official
plan.
On
that
I
wish
to
extend
my
graduations.
My
congratulations
to
my
former
team
so
kudos
to
all
of
you.
Clearly,
a
key
challenge
is
noted
by
staff
and,
as
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
the
speaker's
today
is
achieving
the
increased
intensification
targets
that
are
reflected,
but
by
the
recommend
of
strategy
and
I
also
appreciate
staff.
I
When
I
look
at
other
cities
comparable
in
size
to
Ottawa,
where
they're
pushing
out
high-rise
buildings
in
the
40
to
50
story
range,
mid-rise,
buildings
tend
to
be
more
in
the
12
to
15
story
range
and
I.
Think
there's
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
start
to
look
at
that
in
a
way
to
accommodate
some
of
the
increased
intensification,
particularly
where
they
might
be
in
proximity
to
transit
size.
I
Just
one
idea,
I'm
putting
on
the
table
and
I
would
expect
a
battle
on
some
of
the
other
challenges
that
are
being
faced
with
respect
to
meeting
intensification,
such
as
the
servicing
constraints
that
were
talked
about
earlier.
With
the
subject
of
a
lot
more
discussion
over
the
coming
months,
I
would
be
happy
to
participate
with
staff
in
those
as
we
move
forward
in
dealing
specifically
with
report
and
its
recommendations.
I
The
key
question
from
my
perspective,
related
to
the
growth
management,
is
how
we
anticipate
Ottawa
to
look
and
function
with
a
population
of
two
and
possibly
three
million
people,
as
committee
will
recall
and
as
noted
by
Joe
bears
from
urban
strategies.
One
of
the
foundational
pieces
of
work
that
was
undertaken
in
launching
the
opie
review
was
the
Ottawa
next
beyond
2036
study.
I
That
study
was
a
break
from
past
practices
and
methodology
of
forecasting
and
visioning
to
determine
the
policy
framework
through
the
opie
review,
but
one
where
we
began
to
look
at
possible
or
plausible
futures
through
a
scenario
based
planning
exercise
where
the
focus
is
on
identifying
known,
somewhat
known
and
possible
unknown
influences
or
drivers
of
change
that
will
impact
cities
moving
forward
into
the
21st
century.
The
form
of
study
undertaken
through
beyond
2036
was
focused
on
directing
thought
and
discussion
on
what
we
need
to
think
about
and
trying
to
understand
what
the
city
might
need.
I
What
the
city
might
need
to
function
and
look
with
a
doubling
or
tripling
of
the
population
beyond
the
25-year
planning
horizon
of
the
newel
peak
and
I
was
glad
to
hear
mr.
Herr
wire
in
his
presentation
this
morning
also
note
that
it's
important
to
position
this
official
plan
towards
setting
the
course
for
what
few
your
Official
Plan
reviews
will
need
to
focus
on
what
is
needed
to
fer.
To
provide
for
doubling
or
tripling.
Our
population
requires
a
careful
consideration.
In
my
view
of
form
and
function.
I
D
I
We've
got
before
us,
but
it
needs
to
be
done
both
related
to
intensification,
but
also
looking
at
how
urban
areas
grow
and
the
expansion
areas,
as
it
be
noted
by
many
of
the
other
speakers.
A
key
balancing
element
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
growth
strategy
is
ensuring
that
we
don't
compromise
the
competitive,
an
advantage
that
Ottawa
has
enjoyed
for
many
years
related
to
housing,
affordability
and
I
think
the
recommended
strategy
is
moving
and
recognizing
that
that's
a
key
thing
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
and
reading
through
the
staff
report.
I
However,
I
note
that
the
focus
of
the
growth
management
strategies
discussed
fall
into
two
buckets:
the
no
expansion
bucket
and
then
two
options
related
to
some
form
of
urban
expansion.
But
in
looking
at
those
two
options,
the
sense
I
get
is
that
they're
focused
on
continued
expansion
around
the
edges,
both
east
or
east,
west
and
south
in
an
incremental
fashion.
And
when
we
look
at
the
beyond
2036
study,
they
were
in
fact
also
three
options.
I
What
you're
really
looking
at
is
3
percent
additional
urban
area
to
what
we
have
today
to
accommodate
40
percent
of
the
growth
and
again
I.
Think
that
reinforces
the
comments
provided
by
urban
strategies,
that
what
staff
is
recommending
is
very
ambitious
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
ambitious
as
a
planner.
Looking
at
how
we
need
to
expand
and
grow
the
city,
but
again,
I
think.
I
I
I
was
very
heavily
involved
with,
which
was
the
beyond
2036
study
and
making
sure
that
this
official
plan
actually
takes
a
look
at
how
we
can
use
this
old
P
to
position
ourselves
and
looking
at
a
city
of
to
thrilled
2
to
3
million
people
beyond
the
planning
horizon
that
were
mandated
to
plan
for
through
official
plans
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
committee
might
have.
That's.
C
I
I
haven't
I've
been
involved
indirectly,
just
following
the
process,
and
I
really
didn't
get
myself
back
into
meaningful
engagement
in
the
private
sector
until
January,
which,
which
is
when
I,
was
given
the
clean
bill
of
health.
So
I've
been
following
up
on
a
couple
of
my
clients
in
fact,
have
projects
that
are
and
they're
very
interested
in
what's
going
along
for
the
opie
review,
but
I
haven't
been
as
directly
involved
through
either
sponsors
or
particular
stakeholder
interests.
I
C
H
I
There
was
a
specific
location
identified
councillor.
It
was
one
of
there
were
three
when
you
looked
under
the
section
in
beyond
2036,
let's
talked
about
urban
form,
it
talked
about
three
broad
future
scenarios
that
we
potentially
could
be
looking
at.
One
was
100%
intensification
with
no
urban
expansion.
The
second
one
was
continued
expansion
around
the
edges,
as
we've
experienced
for
the
past
many
decades,
and
then
the
third
option
was:
do
we
start
looking
at
a
focused
area
to
accommodate
continued
growth
to
achieve
sort
of
a
population
of
the
two
to
three
million
that
we
anticipate?
I
We
will
be
looking
at
within
the
next
century,
so
it's
really
in
the
in
the
context
of
making
sure
that
we're
not
pigeon
holing
us
into
looking
at
things
in
a
specific
way,
by
keeping
as
broad
as
we
can
understanding
the
implications
of
each
of
these
scenarios
and
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
and
I
guess.
The
point
that
I'm
making
is
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
darn
indicated
this
morning
that
we
are
looking
to
position
this
official
plan
to
think
about
what
needs
to
happen
after
this
ope.
I
But
the
one
area
that
I
thought
wasn't
clearly
articulated
it
may
very
well
be
that
this
is
something
that's
gonna
get
looked
at
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
months,
but
it
wasn't
clear
in
the
staff
report
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
not
lose
sight
of
there's
another
option
out
there.
That
might
in
fact
present
answers
that
we
might
not
be
looking
at
if
our
focus
is
continued.
Expansion
around
the
edges
in
an
incremental
fashion,
Thank.
I
A
A
I
I'm
now,
but
I
think
the
other
thing,
castor
and
I
think
this
is
why
I
brought
forward
the
importance
of
looking
at
all
the
potential
options.
This
is
where
Ottawa
is
incredibly
unique
in
terms
of
the
land
area
that
we
have,
unlike
many
other
little
many
other
cities
where
they
have
no
choice
but
to
look
at
incremental
expansion
around
the
edges.
I
What
that
might
look
at
I
go
back
to
the
example
of
a
sewage
treatment
plant
I
mean
where
might
that
need
to
locate
I
mean
that's
one
of
those
big,
bold
things
that
needs
to
happen
potentially
at
some
point.
If
our
existing
sewage
treatment
facility
cannot
be
sized
to
accommodate
a
two
to
three
million
population
increase
for
the
City
of
Ottawa,
we
have
to
look
somewhere
else
and
where
might
that
be,
and
might
that
influence
in
terms
of
what
we
start
looking
at
in
terms
of
a
focused
area
for
growth?
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
C
Right
so
before
we
go
any
further
folks,
I'm
gonna
change
some
words
in
this
thing
and
get
to
so
some
of
the
media
are
wondering
why
we
didn't
practice
to
go
to
several
days
anyways.
But
you
know
you
never
know
what
these
things
that's
the
answer,
so
we
do
take
it
very
seriously,
and
tomorrow
is
a
day
that
other
than
the
library
board
and
I
think
councillor.
Man
has
to
adjust
your
plans
for
one
of
her
subcommittees
of
Ottawa
police
services
board.
Thank
you
for
doing
that,
and
the
library
board
starts
at
five.
C
I
have
no
idea
whether
we
will
get
everything
done
tomorrow.
The
way
we're
going
at
four
delegations
an
hour
chances
are
not,
but
let's
plan
to
do
that,
since
it
seems
from
the
outreach
that
I
did
that
the
joint
committee
members
would
prefer
to
go
tomorrow
and
we'll
start
at
nine
o'clock
and
we'll
stay,
because
when
you're
doing
this
virtually
so
this
is
another.
C
This
is
actually
a
benefit
because
the
library
board
members
will
be
able
to
switch
seamlessly
to
the
library
board,
meeting
correct
all
right,
so
we'll
go
to
say
4:45
tomorrow,
okay,
and
so
the
motion
that
we
have
is
and
and
before,
I
do
I
want
to
say
how
incredibly
thankful
I
am
to
the
clerk's
office
and
melody
a
deafening
and
Katelyn
solder,
McDonald
and
also
Katelyn
Corcoran,
who
are
doing
their
best
to
keep
us
where
we
need
to
be
and
inform
people
that
are
now
not
going
to
speak
today.
Hopefully
they'll
be
available
for
tomorrow.
C
So
the
motion
is
be
it
FURTHER,
RESOLVED
that,
following
the
final
delegation
for
the
day,
that's
today,
the
meeting
be
recessed.
Tuesday
may
be
12th
at
9
a.m.
to
continue
hearing
the
remaining
public
delegations
that
had
signed
up
prior
to
the
start
of
the
meeting
so
we'll
be
taking.
No
new
delegations
I
think
that
we
should
give
flexibility
of
the
people
left
on
the
list
to
move
around
if
they
need
to
be
because
they
weren't
planning
on
coming
tomorrow.
C
Unless,
like
I
said
somebody
says,
you
know
what
I
can't
do
it
till
2:00
in
the
afternoon,
I
think
we
have
to
be
flexible
because
it's
a
surprise
to
them,
and
we
want
to
hear
from
the
people
that
they
want
to
speak
to
us,
followed
by
a
committee's
consideration
and
debate
of
the
new
official
plan
growth
management
strategy,
support
report.
So
anyone
have
any
questions
are
or
is
that
carried
very.
C
A
A
C
Chair
Elgin
Terry,
yes
and
myself.
That's
yes!
So
we'll
be
right
back
at
at
9:00
a.m.
tomorrow
morning,
and
thanks
again
to
our
staff,
who
are
going
to
make
every
effort
they
can
to.
You
know,
get
in
touch
with
everybody,
so
our
next
set.
So
now,
let's
talk
about
tonight,
I
did
say:
9
o'clock,
I
think
we're
going
to
change
that
to
8
o'clock
since
we're
coming
back.
I
think
that
that's
only
humane
to
tell
you
the
truth:
okay,
we're
you
that
thumbs
up.
C
That's
one,
two,
three,
four:
okay,
if
we
get
but
when
when
that's
over,
that's
it,
so
that
means
Christina,
blue
shark
John
debris
has
some
Jhanvi
may
want
to
come
back
now
that
he,
you
may
have
I
think
you
should
include
him
in
that
email.
That's
okay,
so
Christina
Bouchard
on
down
on
that
list
to
everybody,
everybody
from
number
46
to
a
hundred
and
what
12
109
actually
109.
You
will
be
in
that
order
or
as
opposed
to,
we
can
get
it
tomorrow
morning.
C
L
You
yes,
I'm
a
senior
fellow
with
the
frontier
Public
Policy
Center
for
Public,
Policy
national,
think
tank,
headquartered
in
Winnipeg,
an
organization
dedicated
economic
growth
and
opportunity.
I'm,
author
of
a
paper
a
couple
of
years
ago,
actually
co-author
of
the
paper
called
Canada's
middle
income,
housing,
affordability,
crisis,
I,
also
AM,
co-author
of
the
demography,
international
housing
affordability
survey,
which
is
in
its
16th
year
and
has
covered
Ottawa
in
every
year.
Since
it
started
and
principle
of
my
own
consulting
firm
demography
in
st.
Louis,
the
we
get
a
report
commissioned
by
goba.
L
They
asked
us
to
look
at
housing,
affordability
in
Ottawa,
since
our
report
on
Canadian
housing,
affordability,
and
also
to
look
at
urban
containment
policy,
which
obviously
includes
your
urban
boundary
expansion
and
things
like
an
intensification
and
so
on.
First,
to
talk
very
quickly
about
housing,
affordability
in
Ottawa
between
2000
and
2015
house
prices
increased
about
four
times
the
encouraged
increase
of
in
incomes.
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
seen
the
house
prices
in
the
CMA,
which
of
course
includes
Gatineau
go
from
2.9.
L
That
is
a
price
to
income
multiple
of
2.9
to
4.1
in
our
16
years.
So
that's
1.2
years
of
additional
income
needed
to
buy
a
house
and
that
would
be
to
buy
any
house
including
an
own
Department,
and
then,
who
knows
what's
going
to
happen
with
Colvin
at
this
point,
but
in
the
last
six
months
that
is
August
through
February
house
prices
rose
15%
in
Ottawa
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
L
Now
I
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
demography
of
housing
affordability
survey,
because
it
has
a
lot
of
information
that
I
think
you
should
be
aware
of,
because
we
cover
nine
nations,
92
major
metropolitan
areas
in
300.
Overall,
we
look
at
the
price
to
income
ratio
which
we
call
the
median
multiple,
and
that
is
the
median
house
price
divided
by
the
median
household
income
and
we
consider
anything
at
three
or
below
affordable.
L
The
point
is
that
since
that
time,
housing
affordability
has
wished
and
very
substantially
in
a
lot
of
places
and
virtually
all
of
the
major
metropolitan
areas
where
there
is
severe
housing
unaffordability.
There
are
urban
growth,
boundaries
and
intensification
now,
at
the
same
time,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
you
have
reached
the
kind
of
lack
of
affordability.
These
places
have
Vancouver
Toronto,
Sydney,
Melbourne,
Auckland,
London,
San,
Francisco,
Portland
and
many
others
give
you
an
idea.
L
L
L
It
is
poverty
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that,
as
housing
costs
go
up,
more
households
are
pushed
into
core
housing
need
and
cannot
afford,
say
30
percent
of
their
income
in
housing
and
again
you
in
Ottawa,
like
by
the
way
just
about
everywhere
else
in
Australia,
New,
Zealand,
Canada
and
the
United
States
have
waiting
lists
for
low-income
housing,
assisted
housing,
that's
a
real
problem.
It
also
increases
the
urban
containment
also
increases
inequality.
That
is
I
should
say.
Let
me
correct
that
severe
housing
restrictions
constraints
are
new.
New
supply
increase
inequality.
L
According
to
Anna
economic
paper
for
the
Bank
for
International
Settlements,
Jonah,
Gianni
LaCava,
one
sentence
to
close
it
out.
You
need
to
have
an
urban
expansion
area
large
enough
to
keep
Houseman
under
control.
That
is,
you
do
not
want
housing
costs
to
increase
faster
than
incomes.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Chair,
listen,
I,
have
a
question
that
I've
been
meaning
to
ask
all
day
and
haven't
haven't
done
so
so
it's
it's
coming
your
way.
If
we
talk
about
affordability
and
what
what
nobody
has
really
answered
yet
is
if,
if
what
we're
thinking
is
you
know
what
we've
go
a
little
bit
further
out
and
things
will
become
more
affordable
because
there'll
be
more
land
supply
and
land
will
decrease?
What
about
what
happens,
then,
when
you
take
into
account
travel
the
transportation
and
the
need
for
cars,
one
or
two
cars
to
get
yourself
around?
L
Not
certain,
no,
no
affordability
is
a
simple
relationship
of
house
price
to
household
incomes.
By
the
way
now,
I
don't
have
data
on
Canada.
With
respect
to
this,
but
to
give
you
an
idea
in
the
United
States
work,
we've
got
where
our
Bureau
of
Commerce
does
a
real
good
job
of
doing
cost
of
living
by
cities
and
what
you
find
is
88%
of
the
difference
between
the
expensive
cities
like
the
ones
on
the
coast
with
urban
containment
policies
and
the
ones
where
it's
more
normal
eighty-eight
percent
of
the
differences
housing
cost.
H
H
You
know
probably
a
bit
better
off
than
someone
who
maybe
has
to
drive
all
the
time,
but
I
still
probably
spend
$1,000
a
month,
for
you
know
own
a
car
and
insurance
gas.
Everything
else
so
are
you
suggesting
suggesting
then
that
the
use
of
an
automobile
does
not
increase
that
unaffordability
to
a
point
where
you
have
to
take
that
into
account,
or
do
you
think
that
it?
It
is
worth
owning
an
automobile
to
get
around
you.
L
Know
I'm
not
making
any
statement
about
the
automobile
I'm,
making
a
statement
about
housing,
affordability
and
I.
Think
you
need
to
look.
I
would
suggest
that
be
looked
at
separately
and
and
a
household
that's
making
a
decision
about
where
to
live,
whether
an
intensified,
high-rise
or
or
ground
oriented
house
versus
living
in
the
suburbs.
In
a
detached
house,
they
can
make
that
decision.
They
do
the
same
kind
of
economic
calculation.
H
L
That's
a
much
you
know
after
spending
three
terms
on
the
Los
Angeles
County
Transportation,
Commission
I
can
tell
you
that
we
could
talk
about
this
all
night.
That's
a
much
discussion
and
I
would
not
want
to
have
Mike.
My
views
on
on
house.
Excuse
me
on
automobiles
or
anything
like
that,
enter
into
this
discussion.
I'm
talking
about
housing
before
ability.
L
B
C
K
Oh,
thank
you
very
much.
I
hope
you
can
hear
me.
Yes,
yeah
I'm
on
nuded
there
we
go
okay.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much.
It's
been
a
really
interesting
day
and
some
pretty
amazing
speakers
with
a
lot
of
great
backgrounds.
My
name
is
Sheila
Kerry
and
President
of
the
Federation
of
citizens.
Association
and
we've
been
deeply
involved.
Yes,
and
the
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
to
highlight
some
of
our
issues.
K
First
of
all,
are
you
getting
feedback?
Sorry,
you
can
hear
we
can
give
you
yeah
great
okay,
so
we're
very
pleased
to
be
active
participants
in
this
discussion.
We're
really
grateful
to
the
staff
for
their
passion
and
amazing.
You
outreach
to
everyone.
We
are
volunteers
as
in
our
community
associations,
and
have
done
a
lot
of
partner
work
with
the
groups,
such
as
people's
official
plan
group,
ecology,
Ottawa,
green
space,
Alliance
Cowie,
just
food,
etc
and
cafes.
K
We
realize,
and
first
of
all,
I
want
to
compliment
the
city
on
the
Ottawa
climate.
Emergency
and
housing
affordability
leadership
there,
but
given
our
times
in
the
troubling
times
of
kovat,
we
realize
the
landscape
is
really
changing
on
this
and
the
challenge
of
many
long
term
unknowns,
tough
economic
decisions
and,
of
course,
the
fiscal
challenges
that
go
ahead,
and
that's
not
to
say
that
personal
choices
will
be
impacted
and
certainly
the
impacts
on
the
city,
planning
and
business
operations
of
the
future.
K
K
C
C
B
C
Not
sure
that
you'll
be
I'll,
put
you
no,
no
she'll
be
she'll,
be
the
first
one.
If
we
come
back
so
alright,
that's
alright!
We're
gonna
tighten
it
up
more
tomorrow.
We're
not
we're
doing
way
more
than
for
an
hour
for
sure
we're
not
going
to.
You
know
we'll
be
fine,
but
we
a
lot
of
people
want
to
talk.
Ask
you
questions,
as
is
the
case
with
Miguel,
Tremblay
I.
C
You
know
what
Sheila
I
think
that
you
sent
it
after
the
deadline
on
I.
Think
I
saw
it
on
the
weekend,
because
melody
and
I
were
working
all
weekend.
I
think
I
did
see
it,
but
there
were
rules.
There
had
to
be
rules
right
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
manage
today,
so
they're
all
gonna
be
a
they're
all
going
to
be
put
together
for
all
the
submissions
will
be
there
between
now
and
even
people.
C
F
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
I
can
Ross
great.
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening.
Everyone
thanks
for
running
late
today,
hope
you
have
dinner
in
somewhere
through
your
presentations,
I'm
the
I'm
representing
both
capital
2020
as
a
founding
member,
and
also
the
general
manager
of
the
Western
Ottawa.
So
that's
my
my
day,
job.
The
I'm
here
to
write
today
to
speak
in
support
of
the
official
plan.
The
status
quo
version
as
it.
F
Hope
that
it
will
provide
a
clearer
understanding
on
how
and
what
the
future
development
of
Ottawa
will
look
like
over
the
next
few
decades.
This
endorsement
is
not
meant
to
pick
sides
and
to
be
in
favor
of
a
certain
type
of
development
or
against
others,
but
on
the
contrary,
it's
intended
to
provide
a
greater
amount
of
understanding
to
homeowners
and
to
home
purchasers
of
what
their
neighborhoods
may
look
like
today
and
in
the
future.
Developments
in
for
their
city.
F
Adopting
this
official
plan,
along
with
updated
zoning,
bylaws
I,
believe,
will
paint
a
clearer,
more
defined
picture
of
what
of
what
Ottawa
and
its
neighborhoods
will
look
like
going
forward
and
rely
less
on
the
implementation
of
what's
often
talked
about
spot
zoning
and
isolated
planning
committing
decisions.
These
past
practices,
in
my
opinion,
have
caused
divisions
amongst
neighbors
and
fractured
neighborhoods.
F
The
adoption
of
the
Official
Plan
with
zoning
updates
shouldn't
help
provide
greater
clarity
and
reduce
the
uncertainty
of
how
and
what
a
development
is
permitted
to
look
like,
as
we
think
about
Ottawa
in
the
next
20
to
30
years.
We
see
the
potential
for
a
dynamic,
diverse,
energized,
healthy
City,
and
today
we
are
certainly
part
way
there
as
I
am
sure
we
all
acknowledge
how
lucky
we
are
for
the
beauty
and
quality
of
life
in
Ottawa
and
the
National
Capital
Region.
F
However,
it
is
our
jobs
and
a
major
responsibility
of
ours
to
our
next
and
future
residents
of
Ottawa
to
set
us
up
for
success.
This
includes
the
establishment
of
well-planned
sustainable
neighborhoods
with
diverse
housing
choices,
both
in
price
and
style
of
living.
We
need
to
think
of
the
city
as
a
whole,
not
individual
wards,
and
find
the
correct
path
for
the
city
to
grow
to
a
couple
of
million
people
over
the
next
few
decades.
The
status
quo
version,
with
a
modest
increase
in
the
city
limits
I,
believe
meets
that
back
to
the
vision.
F
Finally,
I
wanted
to
add
a
piece
about
affordable
housing.
I
am
blessed
with
working
with
and
leading
350
amazing
associates
in
my
day
job
every
day.
Many
are
first-generation
Canadians
raising
wonderful
families
and
future
doctors,
teachers,
tradespeople
and
service
workers
for
our
future
city's
needs.
Part
of
their
attraction
to
Ottawa
is
the
chance
for
these
associates
to
have
save
some
money
and
buy
their
first
home.
What
many
of
us
call
the
Canadian
dream?
We.
D
F
An
obligation
to
ensure
that
there
is
continued
supply
of
affordable
housing
for
them
to
purchase
or
rent
I
believe
this
official
plan
with
the
amendments
should
support
continued
development,
not
just
an
established
exclusive
neighborhoods
like
the
Glebe
in
Westborough,
but
also
in
more
affordable,
more
affordable
future
areas
that
will
allow
everyone
an
option
for
sustainable,
safe,
clean
and
diverse
housing
choices.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Today,
Thank.
B
C
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor,
Artur
and
and
members
of
committee
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
in
particular
I
I,
wanted
to
do
to
attend
here
with
you
if
I
could
in
large
part,
because
Fulton
was
hired
by
goba
to
prepare
some
of
the
the
massing
and
and
mapping
drawings
to
help
articulate
the
implementation
of
the
Official
Plan
policies.
This
was
an
attempt
to
illustrate
how
communities
within
the
Ottawa
Greenbelt
may
need
to
intensify
and
change
over
time
to
meet.
Some
of
these.
These
intents
intensification
targets,
the
mapping
and
massing
drawings
that
we
considered.
D
We
actually
modeled
out
the
60%
intensification
scenario
in
the
urban
area.
We
thought
because
it
was
a
middle
ground
in
the
staff
report
and
may
be
best
suited
to
articulate
what
the
what
the
impacts
would
be
to
these
these
communities.
I
can
speak
to
a
little
bit
of
the
process
that
we
went
through
and
and
I
did
have
the
benefit
of
hearing
some
of
the
questions
to
Jason
from
goba.
So
I'll
try
to
anticipate
a
little
bit
of
that.
D
But
what
we
did
is
we
selected
seven
Ward's
and
we
we
tried
to
be
kind
of
inclusive.
We
targeted
both
inner
and
outer
urban
wards,
recognizing
that
they're
not
all
the
same
they're,
not
all
characterized
by
the
the
same
level
of
transit,
for
instance,
or
or
even
marketability,
but
we
thought
if
we,
if
we
selected
a
few
of
the
wards
that
others
can
see
themselves
in,
it
would
probably
achieve
the
the
objectives
because
recognize
if
we
only
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
and
a
certain
amount
of
resources
to
do
this.
D
It
was
impractical
to
map
out
France,
since
the
entire
city,
as
would
have
been
desired
by
goba,
and
it
was.
It
was
probably
unnecessary
as
well,
because
what
we
did
is
we
approached
it
with
a
kind
of
a
case,
study
approach
and
I
heard
counselor
Leafers
comments.
But
really
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
look
at
each
ward,
assign
a
general
distribution
of
densities
along
transit,
priority
corridors
and
proximity
to
transit
stations
in
areas
that
already
have,
for
instance,
secondary
plans
that
already
support
high-rise
and
then
picked
some
case
studies.
D
So,
yes,
we
didn't
model
the
area
along
scott
street.
We
chose
the
area
and
kitchen
CP
along
dominion
station
to
show
how
how
communities
overtime
will
intensify
to
be
very
clear.
Fulton
is
a
planning
and
design
firm
and
we
actually
do
the
lion's
share
of
our
work
in
urban
warrants.
A
lot
of
the
work
we
do
is
actually
related
to
intensification
projects,
which
makes
us
very
well-suited,
I
think
to
carry
out
this
work
and
maybe
even
offer
some
comments
about
the
levels
of
intensity.
A
ssin,
but
I
want
to
be
extremely
clear.
D
That
photons
supports
the
level
of
intensification
shown
on
these
drawings.
It
wasn't
meant
to
discourage
intensification,
but
rather
to
inform
the
discussion,
so
everybody
actually
maybe
for
the
first
time,
really
understands
what
it
means
to
say:
40%
60%
a
hundred
percent
insufficient.
So
we
we
tried
to
rely
very
heavily
on
direction
from
the
official
plan,
secondary
plans
and
CDP's
even
urban
design
guidelines
in
terms
of
tower
separations.
So
everything
that
we
shown
here
is
is
heavily
rooted
in
those
existing
policy
documents
in
terms
of
building
heights
tower
locations,
our
separation
building
footprints
podiums.
D
All
of
those
things
is
it
a
detailed
analysis
of
every
property
and
that
we
did
we
factored
in
the
right
transition
to
the
low-rise
neighbourhood,
but
no,
it
was
intended
to
be
broad
strokes
so
that
people
get
a
sense
of
what
went
in
it.
Percentages
mean,
but
again
that
we,
we
also
recognize
that
intensification
right
at
the
transit
station,
the
tall
900,
Albert,
65
story
tower
is
usually
not
the
issue.
Those
actually
communities
have
a
good
sense
of
that
being
appropriate.
D
It
was
more
trying
to
to
take
a
reasonable
approach
to
those
transitions
within
the
4
and
600
meter
range
of
transit
stations
to
try
to
show
some
of
that
that
low-rise
product
some
of
the
the
wood
frame,
things
that
that
product
that
Royce
talked
about
earlier
today
about
being
an
important
contributor
to
some
of
the
city's
intensification
policies.
But
we
do
have
reservations
as
to
how
easily
it'll
be
we'll
be
able
to
achieve
these
levels
of
identification,
given
still
there's
a
lot
of
community
discomfort
and
and
am
I
done,
yeah
in.
D
D
A
lot
of
due
diligence
for
clients,
given
the
the
price
of
land
and
the
proximity
to
transit
and
all
sorts
of
other
considerations.
Most
of
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
last
ten
years
is
really
characterized
by
mid
and
high-rise
buildings
in
proximity
to
transit.
Rather
than
that
that
ground
oriented
product
in
proximity
to
transit,
we
are
doing
that
kind
of
product
in
other
locations
and
I
think
that's
an
important
contribution
to
these
intensification
targets,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
be
able
to
achieve
everything
we
want
in
the
absence
of
these
these
taller
buildings.
G
Yep
thanks
chair
thanks
to
Gayle
and
it
was
I'm
curious,
dov'è
used
the
modeling
that
Bo
tended
to
talk
to
people
I
think
just
to
scare
people
to
say
this
is
what
your
neighborhood
could
become.
If
the
boundary
is
not
expanded,
did
you
read
any
of
the
social
media
or
other
reaction
to
the
campaign?
I
did.
D
Sorry
are
you
even
here:
I
am
I
am
and
I
do
have
an
Instagram
account
and
I'm
sure
everybody
from
my
office
is
enjoying
your
comments,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
we
recognize
that
that
it's
caused
a
fair
amount
of
discomfort
in
existing
communities,
but
I
think
it
is
an
important
part
of
the
discussion.
I
think
you
know
at
different
times,
there's
been
delegations
advocating
for
a
hundred
percent
intensification
I.
Think
people
need
to
fully
understand
what
that
means
again.
My
early
comments
were
full.
D
D
If
you
will
that
you
know
photon
recently,
would
domicile
proposed
of
a
six-story
building
transitioning
down
to
a
four-story
building.
In
that
case,
we
we
did
not
enjoy
councillor
support.
We
we
didn't
even
get
the
recommendation.
We
were
seeking
a
committee,
but
it
was.
It
was
altered
at
Council
and
there
was
6l
pad
appeals
for
a
28
unit,
building
one
property
removed
from
a
traditional
Main,
Street
and
250
meters
to
a
transit
station
so
and
I
recall
the
questions
that
were
put
to
Jason.
D
But
it
is
very
hard
to
achieve
these
levels
of
intensification
and-
and
there
is
a
considerable
amount
of
community
discomfort-
that's
not
to
say
that
the
discomfort
is
is
illegitimate.
That
they're
they're
focused
on
issues
of
traffic,
shadowing
building
high-density
lack
of
soft
services
to
support
the
new
residents.
Those
are
all
very
important,
very
legitimate
concerns,
but
it
does
slow
down
the
process
and
the
viability
of
reaching
these
intensification
targets.
But.
G
Isn't
really
isn't
a
problem,
something
that
we
heard
from
Angela
Herzog
Kellogg
earlier
today.
Isn't
the
problem
that
the
the
reaction
is
against
the
lack
of
zoning
that
allows
for
this
kind
of
intensification
every
single
one
of
these
is
a
spot
rezoning
and
it's
it's
a
roll
of
the
dice
how
it's
going
to
turn
out
Brian.
Your
colleague
was
at
my
meeting
the
other
night
for
the
nine
story
at
Richmond
and
Churchill,
and
you
know,
I
have
been
getting
almost
uniformly
positive
response
to
that
building
because
we
talked
to
people
a
lot
about.
G
D
Agree
and
I
I
often
find
and
I've
said
this
before
the
city
goes
ahead
and
they
they
approve
a
set
of
policies,
and
then
they
walk
away
from
them,
and
then
it
becomes
the
developers
burden
with
their
planning
consultants,
in
my
case,
to
sell
the
city's
vision
for
intensification
and
then
oftentimes.
The
response
in
those
meetings
is
while
we,
you
know,
we
have
a
proposal
in
front
of
us,
were
required
to
evaluate
it.
Well,
that's
not
the
right
answer.
The
right
answer
is:
we've
made
a
commandment
to
intensification.
D
As
an
example,
the
city
just
came
up
with
six
one.
Three,
six
one
three
doesn't
have
a
zoning
category
and
it
doesn't
it'll
have
to
be
tailored
right
development.
We
heard
on
numerous
occasions,
including
green
space,
Alliance
that
we're
gonna
have
to
find
innovative
product
to
meet
some
of
these
intensification
objectives
and
and
some
and
marry
up
with
some
of
these
policies.
Well,
those
are
gonna
require
zoning
changes
and
they're
gonna.
There's
always
gonna
be
a
need
to
entertain
these
changes
in
policy
and
regulatory
documents.
And
my
point
is
it's
not
an
easy
process.
D
G
They're
not
easy,
but
there
they're
worth
pursuing,
obviously
we're
getting
close
to
the
end
here.
I
apologize
chair,
but
the
you
showed
a
number
of
different
neighborhoods
with
a
number
of
different
intensification
scenarios.
Do
you
have
some
feeling
as
to
how
much
additional
intensification
in
neighborhoods
that
you
haven't
shown
would
be
required
because,
obviously,
the
modeling
that
you
showed
didn't
put
the
full
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
units
in
there
the
cry
cameraman
you
modeled
like
six
or
seven
of
them.
D
Well
so
we
we
chose
certain
case
studies
again
because
I
think
a
lot
of
these
could
be
mirrored
if
you
look
closely
to
modeling
and
and
I
obviously
can't
put
it
up
on
the
screen.
But
each
Ward
started
off
with
an
analysis
of
nodes
and
corridors,
and
you
you
could
to
some
degree.
Although
not
all
nodes
and
corridors
are
created
equal,
you
could
assign
a
comparable
amount
of
density
and
height
to
those
corridors
within
each
ward,
but
each
ward
is
different
as
well
and,
for
instance,
Southgate
AltaVista,
even
Capitol
Ward,
the
Capitol
Ward.
D
The
the
areas
of
the
case
study
that
we
focused
on
was
on
Bronson
and
Carlene,
which
is
not
defined
by
a
transit
station
because
it's
outside
of
the
area
of
the
transit
station.
But
it
is
defined
by
the
intersection
of
an
arterial,
Main
Street
and
a
transit
priority
corridor,
which
made
it
a
very
good
candidate,
node
for
greater
height
density.
That
one
was
actually
pretty
easy
because
a
lot
of
what
we
showed
at
that
intersection
are
existing
applications
or
existing
development
proposals
or
well
I.
D
D
G
B
C
I
did
that
earlier,
so
Sheila
Perry's
gonna,
be
first
tomorrow
morning,
followed
by
Christina
Bush
are
followed
by
Susan
sand
and
mom
and
maybe
Ian
Lee.
Anyway.
We
may
hear
from
some
of
these
people
that
they
need
to
move
things
around,
and
these
are
the
people
they're
going
to
speak.
We
have
to
move
it
around.
We
have
to
learn
so.
J
So
the
first
one,
whereas
intensification
percentage
goals
will
be
discussed
when
the
official
plans
pretension
the
fourth
quarter
of
2020
and
whereas
the
challenge
is
that
community
support
is
often
dependent
on
the
type
of
intensification
proposed,
I,
low-rise,
missing
middle,
etc
and
we're
a
staff
have
started
to
identify
opportunities
within
six
six,
one,
three
flats
and
the
new
art
for
zoning
and
whereas
an
effort
to
be
more
transparent
to
the
community.
But
what
tools
the
city
will
use
to
reach
the
intensification
goal
in
the
new
Official
Plan.
J
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
planning
infrastructure
and
development
staff.
Beckon
autónoma
staff
be
directed
to
when
the
official
plan
is
presented
in
q4
2020,
including
their
report
on
a
conceptual
basis.
The
toolkit
that
will
help
the
city
reached
its
intensification
goals
for
clarity.
The
report
is
not
expected
to
present
the
details,
but
general
trends,
such
as
new
art
for
zones
on
interior
roadways,
commit
semi-detached
in
our
one
zones
as
some
specific
potential
examples.
So
the
intent
there
is
just
to
get
a
better
picture
for
everyone
across
the
city
as
to
what
exactly
we're
talking
about.
B
J
B
B
All
right,
Thank,
You,
councillor,
Moffat,
I,
guess
with
that
we're
gonna
say
thank
you
to
our
staff
or
far
enough
with
us,
trying
to
find
dates
suitable
for
everyone
to
do
their
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
So
I
would
see
all
of
you
tomorrow
at
9:00
a.m.
and
we'll
go
from
there.
I
will
see
how
much
we
can
accomplish
tomorrow
and
then,
by
the
end
of
the
day
tomorrow,
we'll
have
a
direction
where
we
can
dream
again.
If
we
don't
finish
them
all,
you
have
a
question
cuz
there
leaper.
G
C
Can
you
and
and
Caitlin
bring
more
people
in
because
you
know
this
is
a
way
more
than
what
you
were
planning
for
and
we
have
15
items
on
planning
committee
for
Thursday
plus
agenda
clearing.
After
that
you
know,
I
just
think,
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
have
to
be
done
and
I
think
you
have
to
be
focused
on
this.
So
that
would
just
ask
if
that
could
happen
too.
You
I
will.