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Ottawa City Council and City of Ottawa Media Availability — 2023/06/14
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Morning
once
again,
in
recognition
of
seniors
month,
I
would
like
to
invite
counselor,
Jessica
Bradley
and
Clara
Ferrer,
the
general
manager
of
the
community
and
Social
Services
Department
to
come
forward
for
this
presentation
and
I
am
also
delighted
to
welcome
Carmen,
Paquette
and
other
members
of
the
seniors
Roundtable
to
join
us
for
this
presentation.
Carmen
is
also
a
representative
of
the
Ottawa
senior
Pride,
Network
and
I
want
to
thank
you
and
the
other
members
for
joining
us
this
morning.
C
A
Groups
in
our
city,
it
is
expected
that
by
the
year
2031
more
than
one
in
five
residents
living
in
Ottawa
will
be
over
the
age
of
65.
and
I'm.
Just
doing
the
math.
I
won't
be
one
of
them
at
that
by
that
time,
but
I'll
be
close,
I'll
be
close,
yeah
eventually
yeah,
the
city
of
Ottawa
benefits
greatly
from
the
many
tireless
hours
of
volunteer
work
and
Leadership
generously
donated
by
our
seniors.
A
Ottawa
seniors
have
helped
to
build
our
communities
throughout
many
years
through
active
living,
shared
knowledge
and
a
diversity
of
experiences.
Today
we
recognize
and
celebrate
the
contributions
of
seniors
across
our
community
and
the
service
providers
that
continually
work
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
of
seniors
in
our
community.
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
the
seniors
here
today
for
everything
you
do
to
make
Ottawa
a
wonderful
City
in
which
to
live,
work
and
raise
a
family,
so
I
will
present
a
proclamation.
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The
peoples
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
Nation,
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
The
city
of
Ottawa
honors,
the
peoples
and
land
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
nation
and
honors
all
First
Nations,
Inuit
and
metis
peoples
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
to
the
land.
E
Gower
here
councilor
Kavanaugh
president
counselor
Johnson,
here
announcer
Divine,
here
counselor
Bradley,
here
councilor
Tierney,
you
see
councilor
King
here
Council
truster,
here
councilor
Leeper,
here
councilor
Brockington,
here
councilor
Menard,
here
councilor
Carr,
here
counselor
Kitts,
here
counselor
Derose,
councilor,
Brown,
here
Council
or
Hubley
councilor
low
here
mayor
Sutcliffe.
Here
you
have
a
quorum
Mr
Mayor
thank.
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All
right
note,
the
communications
noted
on
the
agenda
from
the
association
of
municipalities
of
Ontario
and
the
other
Communications
received
under
item
number.
Eight.
There
are
responses
to
inquiries
as
well
in
terms
of
regrets.
I'll
just
note
that
counselor
DeRose
advised
us.
He
would
be
absent
because
he's
having
a
surgical
procedure
today,
so
we
certainly
wish
him
well
with
that
wanted
to
wish
you'd
extend
our
best
wishes
on
behalf
of
all
of
City
Council,
a
motion
to
introduce
reports,
counselor
dudas.
H
One
audit
committee
report,
two
The
Joint
audit
committee
and
Transit
Commission
report,
one
Community
Services
committee
report,
3A
environment
and
climate
change
committee
report
for
finance
and
Corporate
Services
committee
report,
5
Light,
Rail
subcommittee
report
for
planning
and
housing
committee
report
10
and
the
report
from
the
city
clerk
entitled
summary
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
items
subject
to
the
planning.
Explanation,
requirements
at
the
city
council,
meeting
of
May
24
2023
be
received
and
considered,
and
that
subsection
296a
the
rules
of
procedure
be
suspended
to
receive
and
consider.
H
The
auditor
General's
report
entitled
Office
of
the
auditor
general
2022
annual
report,
as
the
notice
of
intent
did
not
occur
at
the
24th
May
2023
council
meeting
and
that
the
rules
of
procedure
be
suspended
to
receive
and
consider
build.
Heritage
committee
report
6
due
to
the
time
sensitivity
of
the
item
contained
in
the
report.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
dudas.
Is
that
carried
all
right
item
12
is
the
Ottawa
Community
Housing
Corporation
annual
report
at
AGM,
so
we'll
hold
that
and
come
back
to
it?
There's
a
presentation
with
that
item.
13
is
the
audit
committee's
report
number
two
item:
13.1
is
the
city
of
Ottawa
Consolidated
financial
statements
are
those
approved?
Is
that
carriage
item
13.2
is
the
sinking
fund?
Financial
statements
is
that
carriage
item
13.3
is
the
office
of
the
auditor
general
report
on
fraud
and
waste
hotline?
Is
that
carry
or
received
rather
is
that
received?
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Okay,
thank
you.
Item
number
14
is
the
Agricultural
and
Rural
Affairs
committee.
The
motion
is
Cash
in
lieu
of
Parkland
fees
for
5703
loggers
way
is
the
committee
recommendation
carried
item.
15
is
the
joint
planning
and
housing
Committee
in
Agricultural
and
Rural
Affairs
committee,
which
has
some
motions
attached
to
it
so
we'll
hold
that
item.
15.2
is
the
provincial
legislation
resource
impact
report
on
the
committee's
recommendations?
Is
that
carried
send
a.
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B
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A
You
yeah
item
18
points:
three.
Is
the
council
sponsor
group
solid
waste
unsolid
waste?
Let's
hold
that
for
the
moment.
Item
19
is
the
finance
and
corporate
service
committee
report.
Five
19.1,
2022,
Investments,
endowment
fund
and
other
treasury
activities
is
that
carriage
19.2
is
the
2023
tax
and
rate
operating
and
capital
budget
q1
status
is
that
carriage.
A
A
Item
19.5
2002
procurement
year
in
review,
is
that
carriage
buried,
yes,
item
19.6,
we
will
is
the
byword
market.
Strategic
alignment
initiative
we'll
hold
that
item.
20
is
the
light
rail
subcommittee,
20.1
Trillium
line
extension
project
is
that
carriage
item
21?
Is
the
planning
and
housing
committee
report
item
21.1?
A
Is
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
one
old
Sunset
Boulevard?
Is
that
carriage
item
22
is
the
bulk
consent
agenda?
Is
that
carried
okay
and
just
skipping
ahead
to
item
23
the
in-camera
items
so
item
23.1?
Is
the
joint
audit
and
committee
and
Transit
Commission
report
and
these
items
can
be
carried
on
consent
if
everyone
is
comfortable
with
that,
it's
carried
okay.
Thank
you
and
all
right.
J
Good
morning,
bonjour
before
I
begin
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
gathered
on
the
traditional
and
unseated
territory
of
the
Algonquin
nation
and
anishinabi
Nation
Ottawa
committee.
Housing
is
all
about
community
and
we
value
the
contributions
of
the
Inuit
metis
and
other
indigenous
people
who
have
made
and
continue
to
make
both
in
shaping
and
strengthening
this
community.
Province
and
Country.
J
2018
and
I'm
proud
to
have
been
elected
the
chair
of
the
board
this
year.
It's
an
honor
to
be
part
of
och's
governance
team,
which
is
made
up
of
community
volunteers,
OCH,
tenants
and
counselors,
and
to
be
here
today
as
chair
OCH
is
an
organization
focused
on
service
and
tenant
support
and
they
work
every
day
to
ensure
residents
have
a
good
place
to
live
along
with
an
affordable
place
to
call
home
for
those
of
you
who
attended,
ochs
briefing
for
counselors
back
in
January
you'll
have
heard
a
comprehensive
description
of
the
work.
J
Och
does
and
I
think
you'll
agree.
It's
a
lot.
They
tackle
challenges
head
on,
no
matter
how
sudden
or
severe
this
includes
weather
incidents
in
Ottawa
thinking
and
think
just
about
the
recent
ice
storm
in
April,
where
we
had
buildings
with
no
power
for
these
types
of
incidents,
we
can
often
lead
to
power.
Outages.
Och
has
Emergency
Management
plans
in
place
to
effectively
operate
their
staff,
Works
around
the
clock
to
ensure
the
safety
of
tenants
and
provide
them
with
support
and
services.
J
They
need
during
these
times
and
I
witnessed
that
as
they
provided
coffee,
donuts
and
lobbies.
All
kinds
of
things
to
get
people
through
this:
they
are
the
largest
community
and
affordable
housing
landlord
in
Ottawa,
with
their
determination
to
help
people
helping
more
people.
They
are
constantly
preparing
for
planning
for
and
building
more
affordable
housing
city
council
declared
a
housing
emergency
in
2020,
and
we
know
that
all
types
of
housing
are
in
short
supply
to
meet
existing
and
emerging
demand.
J
J
Stefan
Giger
president
a
CEO
of
OCH,
but
first
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
outgoing
counselors
who
were
on
the
board,
such
as
Ralston
King,
who
was
a
great
who
continues
to
contribute
and
I
just
want
to
say
a
thank
you
and
also
the
past
president
who
we
just
saw
earlier
Matthew
flirty.
Thank
you.
Missy.
K
K
Affordable
housing
for
low
and
moderate
income,
households
OCH
works
very
closely
with
multiple
City
departments
and
external
agencies
and
services.
As
you
as
you
review
our
annual
report,
you
will
observe
the
tireless
efforts
of
our
team
to
upkeep
more
than
15
000
homes
that
are
very
important
for
our
residents
and
we
provide
and
we
are
ensuring
secure
and
reasonably
priced
housing
for
around
32
000
residents.
We
deliver
value
for
Investments
by
the
city
and
that
the
taxpayers
providing
dedicated
management
of
all
operational
needs
associated
with
being
the
largest
community
housing.
K
Our
work
supports
the
work
of
council
and
helps
people
in
our
city
year
after
year.
Our
team
provides
innovative
solutions
through
an
action-oriented
approach,
while
prioritizing
compassion,
understanding
to
best
support
our
tenants.
This
is
why
our
work
at
OCH
revolves
around
three
pillars:
to
preserve
and
maintain
our
existing
homes,
to
support
our
tenants
and
to
build
more
homes.
K
We
understand
that
to
fulfill
the
city's
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
and
plan.
We
require
additional,
affordable
and
Supportive
Housing
through
ongoing
collaboration
with
city
council
and
forging
a
dependable
and
sustainable
partnership
with
all
orders
of
government.
We
can
expedite
the
building
of
affordable
housing
more
effectively
in
2022
Ottawa
Community
Housing
markets
20th
year
of
service.
Despite
undergoing
various
changes,
our
steadfast
dedication
to
creating
a
beneficial
impact
on
our
communities
remains
unwavering.
K
Despite
the
ongoing
economic
challenges
of
the
past
years,
we
made
it
a
top
priority
to
uphold
the
upkeep
of
our
properties.
For
example,
in
2022
alone,
we
completed
65
million
dollars
in
capital
repairs
across
the
entire
portfolio
as
a
segment
of
our
population
ages,
and
mental
health
and
addiction
issues
become
unfortunately,
more
prevalent.
Providing
adequate
support
becomes
increasingly
complex.
Our
team
recognized
the
needs
for
collaboration
and
managing
these
challenges
and
is
working
on
a
complex
care
housing
strategy
aimed
at
providing
the
support
that
tenant
needs.
K
I
am
proud
to
say
that
our
team
is
currently
working
on
building
over
900
homes.
As
part
of
our
10-year
development
framework.
These
homes
are
expected
to
be
completed
between
2023
and
2026..
Together
we
are
building
more
rooms
that
people
can
afford
and
together
we
can
make
a
positive
impact
through
collaboration
with
city
council
and
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector.
K
As
an
accountable
organization,
OCH
appointed
Auditors
Arsenio
Who,
provided
a
non-qualified
audit
opinion
that
the
22
financial
statements
were
Fair.
Accurate
and
consistent
OCH
remained
fiscally
responsible
and
provided
tenant
Services
despite
challenges
like
fire,
inflation,
higher
interest
rates
and
climate
related
weather
events
that
our
chair
mentioned
earlier.
The
city's
auditor
general
also
completed
an
audit
of
ochs
development
and
renewal
plans.
Och
is
implementing
all
recommendations
and
we
thank
them
for
their
work.
Our
team
at
Ottawa,
Community
Housing,
is
dedicated
to
make
a
difference.
K
Every
day
we
are
hard-working
individuals
who
truly
care
about
providing
the
best
service
possible.
We
do
what
needs
to
be
done
when
challenges
arise
and
also
we
support
each
other,
and
in
that
we
all
win
dedicated
to
continuous
Improvement
and
learning.
We
also
started
working
on
our
strategic
plan
refresh
last
year
and
following
a
comprehensive
consultation
with
many
stakeholders,
including
as
many
in
the
room.
We
are
excited
to
introduce
a
new
plan
refresh
later
this
month,
stay
tuned
for
the
thanks.
K
With
the
start
of
the
new
term
of
console.
We
have
had
a
pleasure
to
welcome
and
work
with
the
following
new
counselors
on
our
board
of
directors.
Our
board
chair.
There
is
Glenn
Gower
Stephanie
plant,
Marley,
Carr
and
mayursa
Cliff
as
an
ex-official
member
and
again
thank
you,
councilor
King
for
your
continuous
engagement
with
automobile
community
housing.
In
closing,
thank
you,
may
Airsoft
Cliff
city,
council
and
City
staff
for
your
ongoing
commitment
to
Ottawa
to
tackling
housing
and
homelessness
with
us.
K
A
L
Thank
you.
Your
worship
and
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
recognize
and
commend
the
work
of
Ottawa
Community
Housing
I
wanted
to
really
recognize
the
work
of
the
chair
of
the
current
board,
as
well
as
the
CEO
Stephanie
Shigeru
I
mean
from
the
incredible
challenges
that
we
saw
over
the
last
year.
My
feeling
is
that
Ottawa
Community
Housing
really
stepped
up
to
the
plate.
L
We
saw
this
With
Disaster
Response
during
the
duration
of
storm,
where
literally
Stefan
was,
with
other
counselors
the
day
of
and
the
day
after,
inspecting
properties
and
ensuring
the
welfare
of
of
OCH
tenants.
We
see
this
with
new
developments
that
we're
very
proud
to
see
emerging
in
Bar,
Haven,
downtown
and
especially
in
water,
edge,
Village,
of
course,
and
why
Ward?
L
You
know,
I'm
also
impressed
with
the
focus
on
on
Equity
diversity
and
inclusion
at
the
organization
that
the
staff
is
working
with
tenants
working
across
the
board,
with
staff
and
working
with
other
external
Partners
to
improve
the
the
outcomes
of
all
and
I
really
do
want
to
also
point
out
in
this
annual
report.
The
focus
on
the
inclusion
of
complex
Social
Services
for
tenants
I
think.
That's
very
important.
L
We
have
to
recognize
that
OCH
is,
is
simply
on
paper,
a
landlord,
but
for
tenants
for
staff
at
OCH
and
for
everybody
in
the
city.
It's
much
much
more
and
its
engagement
is
quite
wide
and
over
and
and
reaches
wide
across
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted
to
really
emphasize
those
facts
and
once
again
commend
the
great
work
that
OCH
is
doing
on
behalf
of
it's
It's
shareholder,
the
city
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
Can
you
just
elaborate
really
quick,
given
the
age
of
housing
stock
across
the
city,
the
decisions
that
you
have
to
take
and
our
replacement
units
becoming
more
dense?
So,
if
you
take
away,
let's
just
say
a
row
of
8
10
12
homes,
are
you
thinking
about
replacing
it
with
8
10
12
homes,
or
are
you
automatically
thinking
about
greater
density?
Thank
you.
K
This
is
a
great
question
counselor.
This
is
very
important.
This
is
what
we
call
it:
Ottawa
Community
Housing
or
portfolio
management
framework
and
out
of
the
portfolio
management
framework,
we're
looking
at
elements
about
preserving
the
stock,
preserving
the
assets.
We
know
that
in
the
life
cycle
of
some
buildings,
you
will
need
to
either
dispose
of
the
assets
or
replace
anytime,
that
we
have
a
replacement
strategy
and
we
have
demonstrated
it
with
811
Gladstone.
K
We
have
a
ratios
ratios
that
we're
using
of
three
to
five
to
one
so
usually
so,
every
time
that
we
will
be
removing
an
asset
or
an
apartment
or
home,
who
will
be
replacing
it
by
three
or
five?
More,
so
that's
very
important
because
we
need
more
density.
We
know
that
as
Consular
Kevin
earlier
mentioned,
we
have
12
000
people
on
the
waiting
list.
K
But
this
is
the
home
of
someone
and
you
need
to
be
very
respectful
of
the
individuals
living
in
those
homes
to
ensure
that
you
have
a
proper
transition
plan
with
them
years
ahead,
not
months
ahead
and
that
that
is
very
inclusive
of
the
community
as
well.
So
again,
this
is
part
of
the
strategy,
and
this
is
part
of
our
commitment
and
in
some
occasion
our
ratio
will
go
even
higher
than
one
to
five
here.
J
N
O
Merci,
beaucoup
and
very
nice
to
see
the
two
of
you
today.
I
commend
you
very
much
for
all
your
work.
I
know
you're
extremely
ambitious
when
it
comes
to
building
new
development,
as
well
as
trying
to
maintain
Capital
costs,
so
you're
you're
trying
to
thread
that
needle
and
I
appreciate
it.
It's
definitely.
A
tightrope
I
was
wondering
as
you're
expanding
or
as
you're
trying
to
grow
the
number
of
homes
that
you
provide.
O
How
are
you
imagining
your
future
Partnerships
with
other
non-profit
housing
corporations
that
are
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
because
certainly
in
college
Ward,
for
example,
we
have
an
opinion
housing,
a
very
strong
local
provider
who
may
also
have
Ambitions
to
grow
and
instead
of
looking
competitively
I'd
like
to
understand
how
you
would
work
collaboratively.
So
perhaps
you
could
elaborate
on
those
future
ambitions.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
a
very
important
question.
This
is
a
question
that
is
at
the
heart
of
our
strategy
in
terms
of
partnership.
In
fact,
we
have
a
consultant
who's
working
for
everyone.
Community
housing
currently
right
now
assessing
the
needs
of
the
different
organizations
in
Ottawa.
We
understand
that
not
everyone
has
the
same
capacity
for
the
Ambitions
that
UK
would
have,
and
Ottawa
Community
Housing
always
make
a
point
to
be
inclusive.
K
We
did
the
current
Community
Health
Hub
with
the
carlington
community,
in
fact,
with
the
current
community
resource
center
at
making,
it
is
done
with
the
Algonquin
of
Ontario,
so
it's
and
Paul
also
at
811
Gladstone
that
they
will
be
joining
in
Rochester
Heights.
So
it's
very
super
important
to
be
inclusive
in
term
of
we
don't
see
competition.
K
What
we
see
is
needs,
so
it's
very
important
to
understand
that
when
you
have
12
000
people
waiting
right
now,
we
have
to
maximize
each
and
every
dollars
each
and
every
opportunity
working
with
all
orders
of
government
and
fortunately
Ottawa
Community
Housing,
and
thanks
to
your
support
as
a
leadership
and
the
capacity
to
really
build
the
confidence
for
the
different
lenders.
The
different
organization,
the
private
sector,
to
tag
along
to
participate
to
build
more
housing
and
I.
Invite
in
fact
any
other
providers
to
tag
along
and
join
us.
O
Really
glad
to
hear
that
I
know
that
there
are
many
who
are
also
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
maximize
their
abilities,
and
you
do
have
an
economy
of
scale
that
others
cannot
access
and
so
how
you
might
consider
leveraging
that
or
lending
that
Capital
to
others,
so
that
everyone
can
be
moving
more
quickly
together
in
the
same
direction
as
a
really
positive
step.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
A
A
P
L
And
whereas
pre-consultation
is
a
process
that
takes
place
between
applicants
and
City
staff
with
other
participants
signing
non-disclosure
agreements.
Given
the
commercial,
confidential
confidentiality
of
development
projects
in
early
stages
and
whereas
members
of
council
do
not
participate
in
the
pre-consult
station
process.
Early
on
for
development
application
files
and
whereas
the
new
provincially
mandated
timeline
shortens
the
length
of
time
a
counselor
and
Greater
Community.
L
Involvement
can
participate
in
advocating
for
Community
desires
and
specifics
about
their
neighborhood
and
whereas
this
type
of
input
could
result
in
positive
feedback
and
refined
ideas
and
potentially
set
up
the
applicant
for
greater
success.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
as
staff
within
the
new
multi-terror
pre-consultation
phases.
One
and
two
review
the
feasibility
of
providing
applicants
with
Ward
specific
information
such
as
missing
Park
links
and
infrastructure
improvements
to
be
prepared
by
the
ward
counselor's
office
for
the
applicant's
awareness
in
preparing
an
application
and
report
back
on
the
feasibility
of
amending
the
process
in
Q4
of
2023..
M
Thank
you,
mayor
I.
Don't
have
any
comments
directly
on
the
two
emotions
that
were
just
read
in
but
I
guess
it's
germane
now
to
talk
about
the
the
entire
motion
before
us.
Bill
109
in
particular,
and
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
a
line
of
questioning
I
had
at
committee
and
since
committee
with
staff,
and
that
is
refunding
application
fees,
because
I
want
to
get
more
clarity
on
this
matter
in
particular,
as
it's
spelled
out
now.
M
What
the
province
is
expecting
is,
if
a
application,
whether
it
be
a
zoning
while
Amendment
application
or
a
site
plan
application,
does
not
meet
prescribed
timelines,
that
the
application
fee
will
either
be
partially
refunded
or
fully
refunded,
based
on
the
number
of
days
after
a
deadline
and
there's
no
dis,
no
dispute,
there's
no
area
for
a
negotiation
about
whether
or
not
the
applicant
qualifies
for
a
refund.
My
questions
to
staff
are:
what
is
the
process
that
we
will
follow
if
an
application
does
not
meet
those
timelines?
M
We're
not
arguing
whether
or
not
they've
passed
the
deadline
date
I,
just
don't
want
to
have
to
pay
out
every
single
Dollar
in
application
fees,
if
the
applicant's
not
asking
for
it
so
I'm
seeking
additional
clarification
from
a
staff
as
to
has
this
process
been
determined.
Yet,
what's
your
thinking
that
goes
into
this
and
ultimately,
what
will
it
look
like?
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Mr
Mayor
in
terms
of
the
is
there
flexibility
like
if
the
applicant
says
you
know,
don't
worry
about
the
refund
or
close.
My
understanding
is.
There
is
not
in
terms
of
the
the
process
on
in
terms
of
any
refunds.
I'd
ask
Emily
Davies
who's.
A
project
lead
to
comment
on
what
that
procedure
or
processing
piece
would
look
like.
R
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
process
on
refunds
is
actually
up
to
a
municipality
to
set
up.
The
refunds
are
required
to
the
applicant,
but
the
city,
any
City
in
all
of
Ontario,
can
set
up
their
own
process
for
Distributing
those
refunds,
so
the
city
does
anticipate
to
set
up
their
own
process
and
it
will
likely
be
on
a
requested
basis.
M
Seriously,
sincerely
appreciate
that
Clarity
and
I
just
want
to
conclude
my
comments,
colleagues,
by
repeating
the
main
concern
I
have
with
this
bill,
and
that
is
the
tight
timelines
from
application
submission
to
win.
A
final
decision
is
expected:
vis-a-vis,
Community,
engagement
and
consultation.
As
we
heard
at
committee,
the
community
expects
to
be
consulted
and
engaged
on
applications.
M
Development
applications
and
the
truncated
timelines
are
I,
think
severely
going
to
impact
the
ability
for
communities
to
be
fully
engaged
at
the
level
that
they
expect
now,
and
so
that
may
require
our
own
offices
to
be
more
creative
in
and
how
we
engage
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
process.
I
am
not
opposed
to
this
provincial
bill.
M
I
do
believe
that
the
amount
of
time
that
applications
take
take
needs
to
be
shortened,
but
I
want
to
on
the
record
State
my
concern
again,
and
that
is
what
I
believe
ultimately
will
happen,
is
less
engagement,
less
ability
for
the
public
to
be
engaged
on
these
applications.
Some
are
fairly
straightforward
and
don't
result
in
a
lot
of
of
comments
from
the
community.
Others
are
much
more
engaged
and
obviously
those
are
the
ones
that
I'm
most
concerned
about.
Thank
you,
mayor.
S
So
when
I
looked
at
that
process,
I
thought
that's
an
excellent
idea
like
and
other
developers
have
not
done
that,
and
so
when
I
look
at
what
counselor
King
has
in
his
motion,
I
think
that
could
get
at
that.
So
Mike.
Really.
My
only
question
to
staff
is:
do
you
see
any
issue
with
this
I?
Don't
know
if
this
is
to
Tim
Mark
or
what,
in
terms
of
what
the
province
has
said,
because
when
I've
seen
the
little
trial
run
of
this
I
love
it
foreign.
T
Q
Yeah
no
I
think
it's
it's
just
another
helpful
piece
of
information
to
provide
to
potentially
provide
to
proponents
as
Mr
Mark
indicated.
There
are
limits
in
terms
of
you
know
what
we
can
legally
request.
You
know
off-site
works
and
that
type
of
thing
but
I
think
it
subject
to
those
parameters
and
some
further
development
I
think
it
would
be
a
helpful
piece
and,
as
you
note,
a
number
of
the
developers
do
a
lot
of
that.
Front-End
consultation
work
with
the
communities
in
advance
of
submitting.
S
U
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I'm
concerned
that
this
report
overemphasizes
the
need
to
increase
staff
capacity
and
bureaucracy,
while
not
addressing
the
fundamental
issue
of
modernizing
our
policies
and
procedures
to
meet
the
dire
housing
needs
of
our
municipality.
Bill
109
was
designed
by
our
provincial
colleagues
to
push
municipalities
to
make
it
easier
to
build
homes.
It
comes
hand
in
hand
with
the
city's
own
commitment
to
build
151
000
homes
by
2031.
U
U
Council
needs
to
understand
what
actions
are
being
taken
by
staff,
to
streamline
the
planning
business
processes,
to
reduce
red
tape
and
improve
outdated
processes.
The
province
is
calling
on
municipalities
to
be
more
efficient,
especially
when
our
existing
processes
dictate
minutia
like
shading
requirements
or
by
setting
counterproductive
limitations
like
outdated
height
maximums
in
downtown
and
along
Transit
corridors
and
staff
need
to
align
the
city's
zoning
by
law
with
official
planning
with
the
official
plan
policies.
U
U
I,
understand
that
and
I
support
it
as
long
as
we're
doing
it
in
a
balanced
manner
such
that
infrastructure
parks,
recreation
facilities,
libraries
and
amenities
are
growing
in
proportion
losing
our
delegated
authority
clipped
our
wings
to
influence
local
development
and
the
province
did
it
because
for
years
we
were
underperforming,
I
don't
want
to
see
the
province,
introduce
a
more
harsh
policy
that
further
reduces
the
influence
of
local
government.
We
need
to
engage
the
spirit
of
Bill
109,
not
just
the
letter
of
it.
U
Furthermore,
we
have
an
obligation
to
our
Ottawa
citizens,
who
are
crying
out
for
real
action.
The
next
Generations
are
being
costed.
Out
of
this
city,
and
that's
not
good
for
our
economy,
nor
is
it
good
for
the
environment
I
committed
to
making
life
more
affordable
in
this
city
and
housing
prices
have
doubled
in
the
last
five
years,
average
rent
is
2100
bucks
a
month
or
more.
Our
waiting
list
for
rent
geared
to
income
is
about
13
000
long.
This
is
both
unaffordable
and
unsustainable,
and
we
owe
it
to
our
citizens
to
get
this
under
control.
U
We
may
we,
we
may
not
have
made
this
mess,
but
we
have
to
clean
it
up.
This
road
report
avoids
the
uncomfortable
subject
of
our
housing.
Pledge
simply
put
we're
not
on
track,
and
this
report
rips
its
response
does
not
Advance
our
housing
needs,
despite
the
provincial
legislation
aiming
to
have
this
very
effect.
To
me,
it's
a
simple
question:
are
we
improving
affordability
for
the
residents
of
Ottawa
growing
government
does
not
lead
to
agility
I'm
committed
to
improving
affordability
and
I.
Look
forward
to
accelerating
our
discussions
on
this
important
issue
going
forward.
V
I
asked
this
question
at
planning
and
housing
committee,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
in
front
of
full
Council,
so
am
I
correct
in
assuming
that,
because
of
the
timelines,
which
are
much
tighter
with
this
legislation,
I
was
told
that
City
staff
would
no
longer
be
able
to
attend
development
consultations
run
through
counselors
offices.
Is
this
correct.
W
The
Proposal
stands
today
that
is
correct,
but
we
did
accept
the
direction
to
look
at
the
options
or
how
we
can
better
support
counselors
in
in
coming
forward
with
support
at
Community
consultation
meetings.
So
that's
something
that
we
are
looking
to
develop
and
come
back,
I
think
in
Q3
or
Q4
as
the
direction
was
outlined
at
committee.
V
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
I,
just
wanted
to
I
mean
I,
come
from
a
word
with
an
enormous
amount
of
development,
an
enormous
number
of
very,
very
large
developments,
and
even
though
I
agree,
we
should
be
speeding
up
housing
approvals
when
it
comes
to
working
with
the
neighborhood.
We
get
a
better
design
when
we
work
with
the
community,
so
just
to
be
clear
in
case
the
people
around
this
table
didn't
hear
it.
V
So
I
I
put
a
direction
to
council
to
staff
to
ask
them
to
come
back
to
us
to
let
us
know
what
additional
resources
they
would
need
in
order
to
be
able
to
have
someone
available
for
Community
consultations
when
needed
again.
This
wouldn't
be
with
every
development,
but
it
would
certainly
be
with
the
ones
that
that
required
that
that
actually,
due
diligence,
yeah
and
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
work
with
staff
further
on
best
practices
for
landmark
buildings.
V
These
are
buildings
that
are
27
floor
stories,
high
they're,
often
the
tallest
building
in
the
neighborhood,
and
it
takes
a
lot
to
get
the
community
on
side.
We're
asking
a
lot
of
people
we're
asking
them
to
accept
change
in
their
neighborhood
and
that's
change
that
I'm
determined
to
fight
for
because
we
do
need
to
build
so
many
more
homes,
but
we
need
to
bring
the
community
along
with
us
and
they
need
to
be
fully
informed
and
fully
engaged.
Otherwise,
we
won't
have
the
buy-in
that
we
need
to
make
the
broader
zoning
changes.
A
A
A
A
F
I'm
gonna
skip
the
first,
whereas
because
it
takes
too
much
time
and
it's
not
all
that
relevant.
So,
whereas
the
recommended
tag
and
bag
limits
are
complicated
and
Equitable
and
punitive
for
segments
of
the
population.
Because
of
the
exemptions
and
caveats,
it
would
be
required
to
run
a
city-wide
program
of
this
nature
and
whereas
twenty
percent
of
the
waste
comes
from
multi-residential
units
which
are
not
included
in
the
recommended
curbside
waste
diversion
policy
and
whereas
in
2019
the
city
permitted
Plastics
to
be
added
to
the
green
bin
program.
F
The
most
significant
Amendment
to
the
policy
in
seven
years
because
of
concerns
about
the
cleanliness
of
the
bins
and
diversion
was
only
increased
by
three
percent.
As
a
result,
where
is
City?
Staff
have
identified
that
the
majority
of
diverted
waste
should
be
diverted
through
the
big
green
bin
program
and
whereas
the
city
has
not
engaged
in
a
large-scale
comprehensive
education
campaign.
F
Since
the
introduction
of
the
green
bin
program
in
2010.,
whereas
the
recommended
partial
pay
as
you
throw
a
program,
involves
significant
changes
in
alterations
to
Solid
Waste
planning
for
large
divers
metropolitan
area,
and
this
program
is
being
presented
in
Q2.
2023,
while
the
solid
waste
master
plan
is
considered
by
City
Council
in
Q4,
2023.,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
referred.
F
The
curbside
waste
diversion
policy
report
back
to
staff
and
direct
staff
to
undertake
the
following
activities
prior
to
Q4
2023
and
include
Associated
findings,
options
and
recommendations
in
a
revised
report
to
be
considered
by
the
committee
and
Council
the
same
meeting
as
the
solid
waste
Mastery
plan
number
one
conduct
and
provide
the
results
of
further
public
consultation
of
any
proposed
amendments
to
the
residential
curbside
collection
policy.
That
would
include
tag
and
bag
limits,
including
the
limits
proposed
in
the
original
staff
report.
F
Number
two
continue
to
investigate
opportunities
to
enhance
wage
diversion
in
multi-residential
properties,
as
per
the
council,
approved
multi-weight
multi-residential
waste
diversion
strategy
as
part
of
the
solid
waste
master
plan.
Number
three
develop
recommendations
for
a
comprehensive
education
campaign
about
the
need
for
further
diversion,
emphasizing
the
cost
of
inaction
and
the
important
role
we
all
play
in
reducing
waste
and
extending
the
life
of
our
Municipal
landfill.
F
So,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
I'm
late
to
the
party
on
this
one
for
sure
I
admit
that
I
don't
like
last
minute.
Motions
and
sorry
can
I
speak
to
the
motion.
Now.
Okay,
sorry
and
I,
just
I
know
that
there's
been
some
great
work
done
and
and
under
your
leadership,
Mary
you've
facilitated
a
conversation.
People
have
come
to
a
compromise,
I
simply
don't
agree
with
it
and
wanted
to
propose
a
solution
rather
than
come
here
today
and
oppose
the
solutions
that
had
been
presented.
F
So
the
other
thing
I
want
to
make
clear
is
that
I
was
an
early
adopter
of
the
green
bin
program.
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
it.
It
pains
me
to
put
Organics
in
the
garbage
which
I
do
in
the
green
bin,
because
we
don't
have
a
green
bin
option
in
there.
I
don't
think.
But
I
did
this
because
I
care
and
I
truly
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution
and
understand
that
as
a
resident,
I
play
an
important
role
in
diverting
waste
and
I.
F
Think
what
my
motion
seeks
to
do
is
help
Foster
a
climate
in
which
all
residents
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution
and
buy
into
diversion
programs,
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
for
our
city
now
as
well
as
future
Generations,
not
because
there
are
forced
to
conform
to
a
particular
limit
or
buy
tags.
I
firmly
believe
the
approach
outlined
in
my
motion
is
more
Equitable
in
its
application
than
tags
or
a
bag
limit
and
does
not
treat
the
family
of
eight.
F
The
same
as
the
family
of
two
I
believe
that
a
firm
limit
will
ensure
that
the
concerns
about
illegal
dumping
are
realized,
which
will
certainly
affect
real
wars
like
mine,
in
November
2021,
the
city
of
Ottawa
published
the
findings
of
its
survey
on
curb
curbside
waste
diversion
and
on
page
46
of
the
report
on
that
survey.
Findings
shows
the
top
risk
identified
by
87.
Percent
of
respondents
was
illegal
dumping,
a
firm
limit
with
no
option
for
additional
items.
It
simply
ignores
those
concerns.
F
This
report
also
admits
in
section
6
page
25,
that
firm
item
limits
and
I
quote
could
create
difficulties
for
some
residents
to
deal
with
excess
garbage
that
cannot
be
avoided,
donated
for
use
or
diverted.
So
I
posed
the
question
to
my
colleagues
once
again:
what
will
people
do
with
the
fourth
item,
bag
or
bin?
On
page
23
of
that
same
report?
In
section
5.6?
It
states
many
residents,
stress
the
need
to
better
educate
residents
on
how
to
reduce
further,
reduce
and
further
divert
waste.
I
couldn't
agree
more
and
I.
F
Don't
recall
a
time
since
the
green
bin
program
was
introduced
where
a
large-scale
and
comprehensive
education
campaign
has
been
undertaken.
I
came
across
a
pamphlet
in
my
office.
I
had
one
in
my
office
that
described
what
went
in
the
green
bin.
I
went
over
to
our
client
service
center,
which
I'll
say
is
open
one
day
a
week
couldn't
find
anything
over
there,
I
decided
to
do
Google
waste
collection
in
Ottawa.
F
I
took
me
four
specific
clicks
to
get
through
to
the
waste
Explorer
and
if
you
were
a
resident
that
didn't
know
what
the
waste
explorer
was,
it
would
take
time
to
finish
my
apologies
mayor,
I'll,
wrap
up
I.
Think
we're
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
by
implementing
sweeping
changes
in
advance
of
the
master
plan
being
presented
for
consideration
at
Q4.
What
is
the
harm
in
deferring
this
until
further
review
is
the
master
plan
is
presented?
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
B
Y
A
Motions
that
that
are
about
how
we
should
move
forward
from
here
so
I'm
gonna
from
a
procedural
point
of
view,
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
debate
both
of
them
at
the
same
time.
So
there
is
counselor
divine's
motion
seconded
by
councilor
leaper
and
counselor
Brown's
motion
seconded
by
counselor
Carr,
so
I'll
suggest
we
debate
both
of
those
at
the
same
time
and
then
we
will
vote
first
on
councilor
divine's
motion
and,
if
it,
if
it,
if
it
passed,
counselor
Brown's
motion
would
be
redundant
if
it
doesn't
pass.
A
Z
Thank
you,
chair
I'm,
not
gonna,
I'm,
not
gonna,
read
the
motion.
I
think
everyone
is
familiar
with
the
the
two
options
now
before
us
and
I
want
to
start
by
by
thanking
the
mayor
and
counselors
Carr,
Brown
and
Menard
for
working
collaboratively
on
the
compromise
motion
we
have
before
us
today,
which
my
motion
presents.
An
alternative
to,
and
Mr
Mayor,
as
you
have
done
before.
I
am
grateful
for
the
openness
that
you
show
when
you
respect
my
decision
to
follow
a
different
path.
Z
The
mayor
and
counselor
Carr
took
the
policy
recommendation
that
came
from
staff
and
they
made
it
simpler
to
implement
and
therefore
better
and
the
idea
behind
their
motion
and,
most
importantly,
the
potential
outcomes
of
that
motion
still
exist
and
it's
those
potential
outcomes
that
I
am
focused
on
I
didn't
originate
the
idea,
but
I
will
proudly
and
humbly
uphold
it,
because
I
believe
that
the
potential
outcomes
of
this
motion
are
greater
than
the
compromise
motion.
I.
Believe
it's
the
better
policy
for
74
percent
of
our
residents.
Z
Z
Z
According
to
the
oecd,
the
organization
of
economic
cooperation
and
development
Canada
is
among
the
worst
countries
when
it
comes
to
managing
household
waste
and
among
Canadian
cities.
Ottawa
is
by
no
means
leaving
the
pack.
My
concern
with
the
compromise
motion.
My
concern
with
a
three
bag
limit
is
that,
rather
than
taking
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
we're
going
to
have
stagnation
now,
I
know
that
I
could
have
simply
allowed.
Z
The
compromise
motion
to
pass
without
being
debated
and
I
know
that
I'm
going
to
take
a
lot
of
heat
for
this,
but
I
also
know
that
there
are
many
people
around
this
table.
There
are
many
people
across
the
city
and
there
are
many
people
in
my
ward
who
share
my
belief
that
this
is
the
better
policy.
So
here's
something
I'm
going
to
read
from
an
email
from
a
ward
9
resident
staff
have
put
a
lot
of
work
into
developing
data-driven
policy
options.
Z
Z
This
is
a
controversial
issue
and
certainly
some
people
are
going
to
be
loud
about
the
pain
of
change,
but
all
the
more
reason
to
respect
what
the
staff
analysis
is
indicating,
and
it
is
my
belief
that
those
people
deserve
to
have
their
voice
represented
here,
where
we
debate
competing
ideas
in
public,
especially
when
the
debate
at
committee
led
to
stalemate
a
member
of
my
team
Alexandra.
She
said
something
to
me
yesterday
that
that
hit
me.
She
heard
me
talking
to
many
of
my
colleagues
on
the
phone
colleague
who,
if
circumstances
were
different,
might
support
this.
Z
She
could
hear
where
the
conversation
was
going.
She
could
hear
that
the
support
for
this
motion
was
hesitant
and
to
her
as
a
26
year
old,
with
her
life
in
front
of
her.
This
choice
is
a
no-brainer
because
in
the
grand
scheme
of
all
the
decisions
that
governments
have
to
make
when
it
comes
to
climate
action,
this
decision
is
small
and
I
asked
her
how
she
felt
about
how
this
was
proceeding.
Z
AA
Ambient
further
resolved
that
staff
be
directed
to
develop
a
process
through
implementation
planning
to
accommodate
agricultural
properties,
receiving
curbside
collection
services
to
be
permitted
to
dispose
of
additional
unavoidable
Farm
waste
so
long
as
they
are
actively
participating
in
waste
diversion
programs,
as
outlined
in
the
solid
waste
management
bylaw,
and
that
staff
report
back
to
Council
on
the
recommended
process.
As
part
of
the
implementation
and
Readiness
Plan
update
to
council
as
early
as
possible
and
be
it
further
resolved.
AA
Once
the
bag
limit
is
implemented.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
councilor
Carr,
because
this
truly
is
a
100
percent
collaborative
effort.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
mayor
and
his
team
for
bringing
counselors
back
around
the
table
after
last
Monday's
environment
committee,
meeting
I
think
we
did
exactly
what
residents
expected
us
to
do
come
back
together
around
a
table
and
hammer
out
a
compromise
that
the
majority
of
counselors
around
this
table
and
residents
could
live
with.
AA
I
also
want
to
thank
the
majority
of
our
colleagues
sitting
around
this
table.
I
hope
you
see
your
comments
to
the
mayor's
office,
counselor,
Carr
and
I
reflected
in
this
motion.
This
is
a
100
team
effort
and
I
hope.
That's
not
lost
on
those
of
us
sitting
here
today.
The
collaboration
that's
taken
place,
even
though
we
have
other
options
that
have
been
tabled
today
has
been
tremendous.
I
also
think
that
this
plan
is
the
most
modest
approach
we
can
take
that
acknowledges.
AA
We
have
to
do
better
with
our
diversion
efforts
but
respects
residents,
particularly
large
family
and
multi-generational
family
households,
who
might
struggle
with
a
smaller
firm
limit,
we're
also
asking
staff
to
leverage
the
existing
yellow
bag
program
to
see
if
we
can
expand
that
to
residential
uses
to
help
those
families
that
might
need
a
little
bit
of
extra
flexibility
and
I
will
ask
staff
to
flesh
out
that
program
for
us
today
and
talk
about
some
of
the
options
that
might
exist.
Mr
Mayor
I
can't
thank
everyone
around
the
table.
AA
I'm
almost
out
of
time,
so
I
do
appreciate
our
colleagues
time
and
attention.
I
do
have
more
to
say,
but
I
want
to
thank
everyone
from
around
the
table.
Certainly,
staff
who've
worked
hard
on
this
item.
I
look
forward
to
our
colleagues,
questions
and
I
know.
Counselor,
Carr
and
I
are
excited
to
see
the
back
side
of
this,
so
we
can
continue
on
with
the
business
of
the
city.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor.
N
C
Z
I'll
be
honest:
I
removed
the
the
part
about
the
first
leading
leaving
it
an
extra
bag
at
the
end
of
December
at
the
beginning
of
January,
not
because
I'm
anti-christmas,
just
I
thought
it
was
the
most
fair
and
bold
thing
to
do.
But
essentially
the
be
it
resolves
are
are
are
the
same.
It's
two
bags
with
no
tags,
plus
15
bags
being
sent
out.
It's
it's
essentially
the
same.
AB
J
J
J
Even
when
I
campaigned
in
2018,
which
was
years
after
so
I
understand
that
sometimes
it's
difficult
for
adjustment,
but
this
is
consistent
to
support
the
two
bag
with
no
tags
motion
from
House
of
divine,
that's
very
similar
to
the
one
that
was
on
a
tie,
vote
by
councilor
Carr,
roughly
75
of
residents
are
already
doing
this.
We
need
to
do
this
in
conjunction
with
the
fast
tracking
of
our
policies
for
parks
and
recycling.
This
is
very,
very
important
and
I've
emphasized
this
committee.
J
58
of
content
set
out
for
garbage
collection
could
be
diverted
to
either
compost
or
recycling.
We
have
to
work
to
do
this
to
meet
the
diversion
goals,
and
this
policy
will
help
I
appreciate
the
new
provincial
blue
box
program,
where
producers
will
be
taking
responsibility
for
collecting
and
processing
recyclable
materials
from
eligible
sources.
We've
asked
producers
to
stop
up
and
take
responsibility
for
the
packaging
of
their
goods.
That's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
now
we
are
asking
those
who
are
not
meeting
those
diversions
goals
to
step
up
as
well.
J
The
new
blue
box
program
is
important
and
it
means
every
item
that
is
sent
to
the
landfill
instead
of
to
the
recycling,
will
be
costing
us
more
money
and
to
take
a
crucial
space
in
our
landfill.
So
don't
forget
that
connection,
and
we
will
have
no
chance
to
be
recycled
to
have
that
material
reused.
As
a
city,
we
must
work
towards
new
provincially,
legislated
mandates
for
composting.
No
compost
to
the
landfill
by
2030.
J
I've
heard
concerns
about
multi-residential
buildings.
Those
are
six
or
more
units,
and
this
has
to
be
examined
and
I
know.
Och
is
making
a
huge
effort
on
this
to
start
as
an
aside,
no
one
should
feel
that
they
are
targeted.
The
discussion
for
our
waste
policy
is
happening
at
all
levels
and
it
always
including
the
long-term
look
at
landfill.
We
must
know
that
a
new
landfill
or
some
kind
of
waste
energy
long-term
plan
will
cost
300
to
450
million
dollars.
J
Diverting
Recycling
and
composting
is
crucial
for
the
environment.
The
longer
our
landfill
lasts,
the
better
for
everyone
residents
in
Ottawa
are
currently
paying
the
lowest
fees
for
garbage
collection,
180
dollars
per
year
when
Edmonton
pays
500..
In
order
to
continue
to
enjoy
that,
we
need
to
continue
to
divert
compost
and
recycle.
J
The
discussion
of
waste
is
an
important
one
and
is
also
very
difficult.
Conversation
to
have.
The
councils
are
elected
to
make
tough
decisions.
I
want
to
be
able
to
say
to
my
grandkids
who
I
saw
on
Saturday
and
talked
about
it
with
them
about
what
they
thought
of
it.
They
didn't
see.
It
was
a
big
deal.
J
Y
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
and
thanks
to
everyone
for
the
ongoing
debate
in
our
city
around
this
issue.
As
I
said
previously,
it
touches
every
single
person
in
our
city,
so
these
debates
and
certainly
get
heated
and
everybody
has
an
opinion
on
the
way
waste
should
be
handled.
Every
single
person
has
an
opinion
on
that.
I
wanted
to
First
just
start
off
by
thanking
our
incredible
staff
team
for
all
the
work
that
they've
done:
Shelly
Andrea,
Nicole,
Mary,
Lindsay,
Rachel,
Elizabeth,
Laura
and
la
and
I
know,
there's
many
others
too.
Y
That
have
worked
on
this
issue.
This
is
an
incredible
staff
team
that
that
has
done
a
lot
of
Engagement
a
lot
of
work
to
get
to
where
we
are
today
and,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
more
to
come.
This
is
one
of
many
decisions
that
are
coming
on
the
solid
waste
master
plan
and
a
lot
of
positives
I
think
there
is
so
much
good
happening
right
now
in
our
city
that
we
need
to
remember.
Y
We
have
one
of
the
lowest
waste
charges
on
our
tax
bills
in
North
America
thanks
the
good
work
of
our
staff
team
to
those
asking
to
generate
energy
from
our
waste
I
think.
Well,
we
generate
energy
right
now
from
our
waste
streams
at
both
Trail
Road
and
ropec.
The
sewage
treatment
process
turns
waste
into
biogas
to
power.
The
plant
using
on-site
generators
generators
at
a
centralized
plant
to
the
landfill
started,
turning
excess
gases
into
power
to
sell
back
into
the
electricity
grid.
Last
term,
a
council.
Y
Y
The
work
that's
been
done
by
our
staff
team
on
producer
pay
should
start
to
see
packaging
content
improve
and
that's
been
extensive
work
to
transition
to
this
new
model,
which
starts
July
1st
in
our
city
residents,
won't
see
a
change
when
that
happens,
we'll
have
a
three-year
phase-in
period
when
that
occurs,
I
think
in
the
future,
there's
so
much
that's
being
thrown
out
at
the
curb.
That's
usable
and
that's
an
issue
I
see
residents.
Writing
to
me
all
the
time.
You
know
it's.
Y
It's
not
just
this
incineration
piece
we're
wasting
exceptionally
valuable
resources
that
are
going
to
landfill,
beautiful
dressers,
bikes,
dehumidifiers
things
that
do
not
belong
in
landfills.
You
go
along
the
way
and
you
see
all
these
items
that
could
be
reused
or
sold
that
are
going
to
landfill.
So
we
need
a
full-scale
binner
program
to
reuse
these
items.
Y
Even
perhaps
a
public
Municipal
reuse
store
with
value
items
reused
from
the
curb
mattresses
bulky
items
we
need
to
solve
for
these,
as
other
cities
have
done,
there's
a
path
forward
here,
and
it's
a
lot
more
than
just
this
current
debate
on
this
debate.
I'm
going
to
be
voting
for
both
motions
and
I've
I've.
Y
Let
people
know
that
that
I
support
the
original
staff
recommendation
with
the
compromise
that
was
there
and
if
that
can't
pass
and
I
support
the
three
bag
limit
limit,
as
some
minor
progress,
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
two
there's
a
stark
difference.
A
lot
of
my
colleagues
along
the
way
talked
about
larger
families
being
a
concern,
the
illegal
dumping
being
a
concern,
the
common
pads
being
a
concern,
the
costs
and
the
actual
diversion
rate
I
think
with
a
three
bag
limit.
Y
Unfortunately,
those
things
aren't
as
improved
as
that
other
tag
system,
I,
think
we're
going
to
see
it
being
worse
than
the
tech
system
would
be,
but
there's
this
business
aversion
to
tags
that
I
know
is
not
there,
so
that
that
that
I
think
is
is
understandable,
because
these
are
hard
decisions,
they're
very
difficult
decisions,
so
mayor
I
do
have
a
direction
that
I
did
want
to
introduce.
Did
you
want
me
to
introduce
that
now
as
part
of
this
debate
or
when
would
you
like
that
we.
Y
So
I'll
do
it
before
the
votes
happen
and
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
again
to
our
to
our
staff
team.
The
committee,
the
the
committee
in
particular,
who
I
know,
cares
deeply
about
our
city
and
and
how
we
move
forward,
and
these
are
continue
to
be
tough
decisions
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
be
brave
in
the
face
of
the
fact
that
not
everyone's
going
to
like
these
decisions,
there's
always
going
to
be
people
on
either
sides,
and
we
need
to
do
what's
right
for
our
city
first
and
foremost.
A
V
Thank
you
so
much
mayor,
I'll
tell
you
I'm
of
two
minds
on
one
hand:
I
think
it's
remarkable
to
see
an
urban
and
a
rural
counselor
work
so
well
together.
I
think
we're
really
Building
Bridges
on
this
Council
I
think
it
speaks
to
council,
Carr
and
councilor
Brown,
and
also
councilor
Menard
and
the
mayor
of
us
wanting
to
have
a
decision
that
is
supported
very
strongly,
if
not
unanimously,
but
I
think
sometimes
in
trying
to
compromise
with
each
other.
We
miss
the
opportunity
to
be
uncompromising
when
it
comes
to
the
environment.
V
I'm
I
don't
want
to
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
good,
so
I
am
prepared
to
vote
for
the
compromise
motion,
but
I
am
also
planning
to
vote
for
for
cancer
divine's
motion,
because
I
think
we
underestimate
people's
capacity
to
adapt
to
change.
I
really
do
every
other
major
city
has
some
sort
of
a
tag
system.
I
anticipate
that
if
we
adopted
it
it
would
lead
to
a
lot
of
casework
and
then
that
would
eventually
die
down.
People
will
get
used
to
it.
V
I
think
we
need
to
be
brave
in
the
face
of
climate
disaster.
We
were
in
the
middle
of
we've,
been
discussing
this
for
the
last
couple
weeks.
At
a
time
when
we
had
horrendous
Smoky
air
from
forest
fires,
I
I
really
dread
the
decision
that
we're
eventually
going
to
have
to
make
about
where
to
put
a
new
landfill
or
if
we
incinerate,
who
wants
the
tractioncinerator
right
beside
their
house.
These
are
very,
very
difficult
decisions.
V
As
counselor
Kavanaugh
mentioned,
we
already
pay
in
Ottawa
the
lowest
fees
for
garbage
and
for
those
who
say
that
it
would
punish
larger
families
to
have
bag
tags.
Look
if
you
have
a
larger
family,
you
pay
more
for
bus
tickets.
You
pay
more
for
swimming
lessons.
There
is
a
cost
to
having
more
people
in
your
households.
V
I
think,
there's
ways
that
we
could
have
mitigated
that
so
I
really
want
to
thank
councilor,
Carr
and
Council
Brown,
and
the
mayor
and
councilor
Minard
and
councilor
Divine
I
think
this
is
a
really
useful
discussion,
so
I
prefer
the
first
option,
but
I
know
that
was
deadlocked
at
committee
and
I.
Imagine
it'll
be
deadlocked
at
Council
too,
so
I'm,
yes
to
both
motions,
but
I
do
wish
that
collectively
we
could
be
a
bit
braver
when
it
comes
to
the
urgency
of
environmental
action.
Thank
you.
So
much.
F
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
and
I
think
so,
first
of
all,
I'm
not
going
to
support
either
of
these
motions,
because
I
don't
think
either
of
them
are
the
the
right
path
forward
for
our
city
and
I.
I.
Think
what
bothers
me
most
about
this
debate
is
that
as
a
council,
we
seem
to
have
decided
that
we
have
two
options.
F
AC
AC
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
the
intent
would
be
as
per
staff's
original
recommendation
that
we
would
be
coming
back
to
to
members
of
council
with
a
an
evidence-based
enforcement
strategy.
But
the
intent
in
order
for
the
policy
to
be
effective.
That
industry
best
practice
is
to
have
an
enforced
bag
limit
and.
AC
F
AC
AC
Through
Mr
Mayor,
it
is
not
currently
enforced
and
one
of
as
we
were
developing
the
the
policy
recommendations
as
part
of
this
project.
One
of
the
options
that
was
considered
is
the
introduction
of
the
clear,
vague
program
which
would
allow
a
much
it
would
allow
it
to
be
much
more
easily
enforced.
Okay,.
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
the
answers
to
the
questions,
and
for
me
it
that's
an
indication
that
we
haven't
done
all
we
can
as
a
city
with
the
current
programs
that
we
have
in
place
to
encourage
people
to
divert
waste
and
I
think
we
should
do
a
lot
more
of
that
before
moving
on
with
the
programs
that
are
being
proposed
here
today.
Thank
you.
AD
Great
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mira.
First
of
all,
a
couple
of
quick
questions
for
staff
I
do
want
to
thank
you.
I
know.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
work
put
into
this
in
the
the
brown
car
motion.
It
makes
mention
of
our
current
existing
yellow
bag
program.
That
already
exists
it's
up
and
running.
Is
it
something
you're
going
to
investigate
on
how
we
can
leverage
that.
AD
AD
So
you
know
it's
a
bit
of
a
mugs
game
because
it's
almost
lose
lose
for
us,
regardless
we're
still
receiving
emails.
That,
because
there's
two
things
we
do
really
well
I've
already
said
this
a
few
times
is
snow
removal
and
garbage,
and
when
you
touch
any
of
those
things
that
we
actually
do
really
well,
it
gets
our
residents
really
worked
up.
AD
AD
I
do
agree
with
it
with
counselor
Kelly
I
wish.
We
had
our
full
buffet
in
front
of
us
right
now,
because
I
also
see
a
big
problem
with
the
multi-residentials,
and
we
talked
about
that
extensively
during
the
meeting
about
there's
a
thousand
pads,
a
thousand
pads
that
are
just
full
of
tires,
they're
full
of
toilet
seats
that
I
showed
in
the
last
last
demonstration
at
the
environment
committee
and
I,
see
it
every
day,
and
it
angers
me
that
we
haven't
done
that
yet,
but
that
report's
going
to
come
back
and
I.
AD
Think
that's
where
it's
really
going
to
make
some
big
changes
in
the
way
of
diversion
we
do.
You
know
we
do
want
to
look
at
that
long-term
Vision.
We
can't
keep
building
garbage
mountains,
at
least
having
the
data
in
front
of
us
that
waste
energy
kind
of
like
Quebec
City,
how
they're
powering
hospitals
or
Vancouver
that's
been
incineration
for
a
while
I
think
we
still
have
quite
a
ways
to
go,
and
I
have
heard.
There's
failures
of
previous
councils
for
not
being
Bolder
and
I.
AD
AD
Inner
urban
colleagues,
they
fully
admit
as
well.
This
really
hits
the
outer
Urban
the
Suburban
and
the
rural
areas
in
this
tranche,
but
when
we
get
to
model
tree
residential
and
more
things
have
more
play
in
their
areas
as
well.
So
for
all
those
reasons,
I
I
want
to
thank
all
the
movers
of
motions.
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
and
I
want
to
thank
specifically
councilor
Brown
and
councilor
Carr
for
getting
together
putting
her
heads
together
and
finding
a
reasonable
solution
to
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor.
AE
AF
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor
as
part
of
the
residual
Waste
Management
strategy,
which
was
approved
last
year
through
last
year,
staff
had
committed
to
to
look
at
options
for
the
materials,
the
types
of
materials
that
currently
come
to
Trail.
In
order
to
to
see
if
there
were
other
opportunities
in
order
to
encourage
diversion,
so
that
will
continue.
Okay.
AE
AC
AE
Okay,
thank
you.
I
got
some
thoughts
on
the
decision
in
front
of
us.
Obviously
this
is
a
hard
decision,
lots
of
different
opinions
around
the
table
and
from
residents
and
I
think.
As
for
the
brown
car
motion,
I
think
it
moves
us
in
a
better
way
in
a
better
position
than
we
are
today.
So
I
I
won't
vote
against
it,
but
I'm
I'm
concerned
that
we
are
trying
to
anticipate
every
single
exception
and
Edge
case,
and
in
doing
so
we
have
watered
down
the
staff
proposal
significantly.
AE
The
objective
is
diversion
and
based
on
the
best
practices
and
experience
and
the
data
I'm
concerned
that
we
will
not
achieve
that
diversion,
which
is
the
whole
reason
we
entered
into
this
discussion.
In
the
first
place,
it's
kind
of
the
opposite
of
scope
creep.
We've
started
just
to
take
away
a
lot
of
things
that
were
important.
AE
The
three
items
is
an
incredibly
generous
allotment.
It's
420
leaders,
I
think
somebody
said
99
pounds
earlier,
but
I
find
it
easier
to
visualize.
That's
the
size
of
a
large
chest
free
these
are
you
know
that
you
might
put
in
your
basement
like
a
deep
freeze.
That's
an
incredible
amount
of
of
waste
that
we
would
allow
people
to
put
out
every
two
weeks
and
and
every
pound
of
garbage
going
to
the
landfill
that
could
otherwise
be
diverted
is
waste.
It's
inefficiency,
it's
a
cost
to
the
city
and
in
any
other
Municipal
Realm.
AE
If
there
were
inefficiencies,
we'd
be
moving
as
quickly
as
possible
to
address
that
in
efficiency.
There's
a
8.4
million
opportunity
to
avoid
cost
by
diverting
as
quickly
as
possible
and
and
every
year
that
we
can
extend
that
landfill,
there's
1.1
million
to
3
million
dollars
in
savings.
So
it
amazes
me
that
we're
not
more
bullish
on
moving
as
quickly
as
possible.
We
can
avoid
millions
of
dollars
of
cost
here.
AE
I
have
a
bit
of
optimism
that,
with
all
the
attention
around
this
I
think
a
lot
of
households
have
been
thinking
a
lot
about
their
waste
management
practices.
I
know
my
household
has,
and
many
residents
I've
spoken
to
as
well,
be
interesting
to
see
over
the
last
month
of
some
of
the
diversion
rates
have
improved
just
because
people
are
becoming
more
aware
about.
You
can
put
a
plastic
bag
in
your
green
bin
or
about
different
options
through
waste
Explorer.
AE
AG
AG
You
know,
we've
got
two
options
in
front
of
us
and
I'm
just
trying
to
ask
our
team
what
the
best
policy
decision
I
can
make
today
for
the
residents
that
we
represent
now,
but
also
the
future
residents
of
our
city.
So
to
that
end,
I
just
have
a
few
questions.
So
during
your
consultation,
one
of
the
key
themes
that
you
communicated
was
that
residents
really
wanted
flexibility.
AG
They
didn't
want
to
be
penalized
for
maybe
every
week
of
their
every
other
week
they
put
out
one
item
of
garbage,
but
maybe
after
the
holiday
party
they
put
out
three,
and
so
that
was
a
key
ask
from
our
residents.
So
I
just
want
to
understand
how
these
two
different
policy
options
address
that.
So
the
brown
motion
talks
about
yellow
bags,
I'm
not
very
familiar
with
this
program.
I'll
be
honest,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
that
would
work,
what
the
average
cost
to
Residents
would
be
to
purchase
a
bag.
AG
AC
AC
Right
now
do
offer
flexibility,
whether
it
be
through
the
opportunity
to
purchase
additional
text
to
set
out
additional
waste
above
a
firm
item
limit
or
through
the
yellow
bag
program,
so
in
terms
of
the
yellow
bag
program,
so
it
currently
exists
for
small
businesses,
so
we
have
just
over
about
300
small
businesses
that
are
registered,
so
it
allows
them
if
they're
generating
less
than
16
bags
of
waste.
The
city
will
provide
green
bin
as
well
as
Recycling
and
garbage
collection
services.
So
we
looking
at
leveraging
this
opportunity.
AC
We
have
existing
Partnerships
with
a
number
of
different
retailers,
Home
Hardwares,
in
particular
across
the
city.
We
also
sell
at
our
city
client
service
centers
across
the
city,
in
terms
of
the
cost,
so
under
the
yellow
bag
program.
Today,
the
cost
of
a
bag
is
of
four
dollars
and
30
cents.
The
bags
are
sold
in
packages
of
four
so
at
about
17
and
20
cents.
AG
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
the
Divine
motion.
It
talks
about
the
city
providing
15
additional
tags
to
each
resident
and
so
obviously
there's
a
cost
to
the
city
to
administer
that
program.
So
a
couple
questions
here,
so
one
I
want
to
understand
the
difference
between
the
original
staff
recommendation
of
55
tags.
AG
What
was
the
cost
to
administer
that
program
versus
the
cost
to
administer
the
15
tags,
and
then
I
noted
that
the
city
of
Hamilton
also
has
a
two
bag
firm
limit
and
they
provide
14
additional
tags
free
of
charge
on
request
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
was
any
and
if
you
analyzed
at
all
what
the
cost
would
be
to
deliver
a
program
like
that.
So
if
we
were
to
amend
it
even
further
and
say:
okay,
we'll
provide
15
tags,
but
only
upon
requests
which
might
be
less
costly
from
a
minister
perspective.
AC
Under
the
original
staff
proposal,
we
were
proposing
mailing
out
an
annual
allotment
of
tags
to
every
single
household,
so
there
was
quite
a
significant
reduction
in
costs
associated
with
that
so
almost
half
a
million
dollars
so
with
the
one-time
cost
that
one-time
allocation
of
15
tags
per
household
per
year
that
drops
it
to
about
eighty
two
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
a
one-time
cost.
AG
AC
Through
you
Mr
Mayor,
we
we
haven't
done
the
the
analysis
on
that
in
particular,
but
under
under
the
city
of
Hamilton,
because
they
do
allow
that
flexibility.
It's
an
ongoing
annual
cost.
Just
at
a
high
level.
You
I
could
anticipate
that
the
the
additional
operating
cost
or
the
pressure
would
be
upwards
of
about
82
000
per
year
to
provide
that.
AH
Mr
Mayor,
if
I
can
elaborate,
also
on
the
city
of
badminton
program,
they
they
do
provide
free
tags
on
request.
What
they've
shared
is
the
trend
that
they're
seeing
right
now
is
that
because
people
know
that
it's
that
there's
no
charge
we're
seeing
an
increase
in
terms
of
the
request
for
tags
so
which
is
impacting
basically
the
diversion
piece,
so
even
the
city
of
Hamilton
have
are
kind
of
revisiting
their
program.
At
this
point,.
AG
AG
I
can't
believe
that
they're
actually
going
to
take
that
bag
and
drive
it
to
the
Trail
Road
facility,
and
so
that
makes
me
think
that
illegal
dumping
would
actually
increase.
If
we
approve
the
three
bag
limit
versus
the
more
flexible.
You
know
two
to
two
bags
plus
tags.
So
is
there
any
research
on
whether
or
not
a
firm
bag
limit
actually
increases
illegal
dumping
versus
a
tiger
bag
system?
That's
more
flexible.
AC
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
so
in
terms
of
there's,
certainly
an
increased
risk.
However,
through
the
through
councilor
Brown's
motion,
there
is
that
intent
to
to
offer
additional
flexibility
for
additional
items
through
leveraging
the
yellow
bag
program.
So,
instead
of
allowing
residents
to
purchase
tags,
it's
to
purchase
city
issued
bags.
AG
AF
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
so
I
think
the
the
city
staff
will
be
coming
back
looking
to
see
what
opportunities
exist,
recognizing
that
the
yellow
bag
program
exists.
Today,
as
Nicole
mentioned,
that
there
are
retailers
already
so
there,
a
lot
of
the
physical
infrastructure
is
in
place
and
looking
to
see
how
we
can
leverage
that,
in
order
to
minimize
the
overall
cost
in
order
to
provide
residents
with
that
flexibility
right.
AG
Because
if
it's
more
than
82
000
a
year,
then
this
system
will
actually
be
more
expensive
for
our
residents,
because
the
bags
will
be
four
dollars
and
thirty
cents
versus
a
tag
at
three
dollars.
So
there's
a
risk
here
that
the
administrative
costs
could
be
very
similar
to
what
the
Divine
motion
is
being
proposed,
in
which
case
this
is
going
to
be
more
costly
for
residents
than
the
tag
a
bag
system.
So
I
don't
need
an
answer
to
that,
but
because
we'll
find
out
but
I
think
that's
a
risk
here
that
we
should
all
understand.
AG
There's
an
amendment
motion
to
the
brown
motion
that
councilor
Divine
and
myself
are
asking
to
move
and
it's
around
implementation
timelines.
So
if
the
the
three
bag
limit
is
approved,
obviously
it's
a
much
easier
transition
for
residents
than
the
sixth
than
the
tiger
bag.
So
would
staff
be
willing
to
advance
the
timelines
around
implementation?
So
we
could
start
realizing
those
diversion
targets
earlier.
AC
AG
Thank
you
and
then
just
my
final
question,
because
it
comes
up
a
lot
of
emails,
I
think
for
all
of
us-
and
we
debated
it
last
Council
too,
and
it's
around
this
idea
of
incineration
being
the
sort
of
Panacea
solution
to
our
garbage
problems
and
I
just
want
to
understand
that.
Let's
say
we
do
move
towards
an
incineration
solution
in
the
future.
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
need
to
divert
our
ways.
AG
AH
Yes,
Mr
Mayor,
that's
that's
correct,
regardless
of
the
solution
that
we're
looking
at
the
end,
whether
it's
a
landfill
incineration,
a
waste
of
energy.
We
are
anticipating
that
there
will
continue
to
be
a
requirement
to
divert
waste
so
that,
basically
anything
that
should
not
be
in
the
waste
stream
is
taken
out
of
the
waste
stream.
AG
Okay,
thank
you.
I
guess:
I'll
just
wrap
up
and
Echo
some
of
my
comments
that
are
comments
that
counselor
Gower
had
shared
around
watering
this
down.
You
know
we
usually
say
that
good
policy
is
when
we
take
a
little
bit
of
water
with
our
wine
and
I
feel
like
this
just
tastes
like
water
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
we
are
achieving
what
we
had
set
out
as
part
of
our
Solid
Waste
master
plan
and
so
I'm
really
torn
about
what
to
do.
AG
I
will
be
supporting
the
Divine
motion,
because
I
think
that
that
option
actually
provides
us
the
most
flexibility
for
our
residents,
and
that
was
a
key
consideration
as
part
of
this
constitution.
They
wanted
that
flexibility
and
I
think
it's
a
huge
risk
with
the
brown
motion
of
you
know
whether
this
is
actually
going
to
be
cheaper.
AG
It
could
be
actually
more
expensive
for
residents
and
there's
that
firm
limit-
and
you
know
I-
think
of
that
little
old
lady
who's,
cleaning
out
her
garage
and
and
under
this
system
of
a
tiger
bag
she's
got
flexibility
under
the
potential.
A
brown
motion:
it's
going
to
be
more
expensive,
potentially
to
dispose
of
her
waist,
so
I
haven't
decided
how
I'm
going
to
be
voting
on
on
the
the
brown
motion
yet
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
the
discussion.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
staff
for
all
your
work
on
this.
G
You
Mr
Mayor
and
I'm
gonna
ask
a
number
of
questions
and
some
of
them
I
I,
asked
that
committee
on
that
fateful
day
of
Deadlock,
not
because
you
know
the
answers,
weren't
good,
but
I
think
you
know
there
still
continues
to
be
a
lot
of
questions
in
the
community
and
and
I
certainly
bring
some
some
skepticism
to
to
the
original
policy.
Having
lived
through
voting
for
The
Organics
program,
originally
voting
for
going
to
bi-weekly.
G
So
again,
I
think
you
know
very
interesting
in
again
hearing
some
of
the
the
answers
from
staff
and
one
of
the
questions
I
think
many
of
us
get
is.
Why
do
we
have
to
divert?
Why
can't
we
go
towards
a
waste
energy
or
what?
Why
can't?
We
simply,
you
know
not
focus
on
so
much
on
the
diversion
and
I
know.
Your
answer
is
going
to
be
that
you
know
there
are.
G
AH
I
think
if
we
go
back
to
regardless
of
what
the
end
outcome
is
in
terms
of
the
future
solution,
whether
it's
a
landfill
energy
to
waste
and
generation,
there's
an
ongoing
operating
costs
to
those
facilities
in
terms
of
the
waste
that
we're
that
we're
sending.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
basically
what
is
the
cheapest
solution
for
residents
to
be
able
to
process
that
waste
and
and
right
now
the
cheapest
solution
is
basically
anything.
AH
That's
recyclable
should
be
going
to
the
recycling,
because
that
is
being
paid
for
the
by
the
producers
and
no
longer
the
taxpayers.
So
the
more
that
we
continue
to
send
recyclables
to
through
the
waste
stream.
Those
are
things
that
the
taxpayers
are
having
to
pick
up
in
costs
and
not
the
producers,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
basically,
we
we
offload
as
much
of
that
to
the
producers.
AH
If
we
can,
when
it
comes
to
the
Organics
piece,
we
have
a
processing
for
the
Organics,
that's
specific
to
that
stream,
and
we
currently
have
converters
and
eventually
we're
going
to
be
coming
back
with
a
strategy
around
how
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
Organics
post
converters,
and
there
will
be
energy
opportunities
there,
also,
but
Organics
and
landfills,
Organics
and
incineration.
Organics
and
waste
energy
really
don't
work.
AH
AH
G
Okay,
moving
on
I
did
I
did
read
your
memo
on
on
kind
of
how
we
got
here
and
and
sort
of
the
estimations
of
of
the
landfill
capacity
and
how
that
has
varied
over
time
and
I'm.
Pleased
to
see
in
this
motion
that
we're
going
to
have
a
third
party
look
at
it
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
are
getting
some
some
good
data.
This
is
an
area
where
we
don't
meter
the
garbage,
so
there
is
some
assumptions
that
go
into
it.
G
There's
sampling
that
goes
into
it,
so
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
and
again
the
memo
I
think
showed
that
there
was
some
history
of
up
and
down
I
I
guess
do
we
accept
a
question?
Do
we
accept
ICI
at
Trail
Road,
and
if
we
do,
why
are
we
doing
that
like?
If,
if
we're
running
out
of
curbside
capacity,
then
maybe
we
should
be
out
of
the
ICI
business
since
there's
Alternatives
there
and
and
really
preserving
the
space
for
the
majority
of
the
people,
and
certainly
the
majority
of
people
in
my
ward
thanks.
AF
So
through
you
Mr
Mayor
as
part
of
the
residual
Waste
Management
strategy,
our
look.
We
are
looking
at
other
streams
that
currently
come
to
Trail
Road
and
looking
at
opportunities
to
adjust
the
Tipping
fee
in
order
to
incentivize
some
of
these
companies
to
possibly
look
at
reuse
opportunities.
Just
thinking
about
concrete,
for
example,
it
doesn't
need
to
come
to
Trail.
It
could
be
used
in
a
recycling
type
application
for
aggregate
for
road
building,
for
example,
currently
through
what
we
receive
at
Trail.
82
percent
of
that
is
Residential
Waste.
AF
So
a
high
percentage
right
now
of
the
materials
that
come
across
the
scale
are
attributed
to
Residential
Waste.
But
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
are
making
best
use
of
the
space
that
we
have
for
our
requirements,
Under
The
Province
to
have
a
place
for
Residential
Waste.
We
will
continue
to
to
look
for
those
opportunities
to
reduce
the
acceptance
of
icni
and
bring
back
to
to
this
Council
those
opportunities
within
this
term.
G
Good
I
look
forward
to
that.
I.
Think
it's
important,
because
I
think
part
of
the
framing
of
this
is
this:
this
wave
of
guilt
that
we're
putting
on
people
that
were
failing
when
you
know
we're
not,
we
can
do
better,
but
again
the
capacity
potentially
has
been
being
eaten
up
by
other
things
other
than
the
curbside.
G
I
was
speaking
to
seniors
in
Riverside
South
the
other
day
and
I
said
you
know
when
you're
have
a
loaf
of
bread
and
you're
down
at
the
crust,
just
throw
the
bag
and
the
crust
in
the
grain
bin.
You
know
when
you're
finishing
your
cereal
and
none
of
the
kids
in
the
house
want
to
eat
that
bottom
portion,
throw
that
in
the
green
bin.
You
know
when
the
cheese
starts
to
go,
moldy,
throw
that
with
the
plastic
in
that
like.
AC
AC
We
saw
actually
quite
success
and
Miss
Landy
Seymour
can
probably
speak
to
it
a
little
bit
more,
but
quite
a
successful
campaign.
Recognizing
there's
still
always
opportunity
for
us
to
continue
to
do
more.
So
as
part
of
our
annual
Communications
planning,
we
do
look
at
continuing
different
opportunities
to
to
communicate
the
benefits
of
that
and
just
on
the
on
the
the
piece
about
the
three
percent.
AC
So
it
was
actually
through
the
original
staff
projections
within
the
first
year
of
implementing
that
change.
The
we
were
in
line
with
the
the
initial
projections,
so
the
initial
projections
were
that
that
policy
decision
would
achieve
about
three
percent
diversion
rate.
So
we
were
successful
in
achieving
what
was
originally
modeled
in
terms
of
what
we
had
originally
presented
to
council,
as
what
we
saw
could
be
the
opportunity
for
implementing
that
policy
change.
Good.
G
G
You
should
pick
a
lane
and
we're
picking
a
lane
that
we
want
people
to
find
it
convenient
to
participate
in
this
program,
so
don't
be
timid
when
we
get
into
that
that
promotion
I
want
to
ask
and
I
raise
it
at
committee,
we've
got
obviously
the
Organics
facility
in
the
southeast
part
of
the
city,
very
a
lot
of
traffic
on
Hawthorne
right
now,
a
lot
of
traffic
on
Bank
Street.
These
are
rural
roads,
they're
carrying
Urban
loads,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
work
hard
to
improve
the
road
Network
out
there.
G
AF
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
so
currently
today,
the
vehicles
that
collect
the
Organics
are
a
dual
Stream
So
on
one
half
they
have
the
recycling
and
on
the
other
half
they
have
the
the
Organics.
As
council
is
aware.
In
2026,
we
will
be
out
of
the
recycling
collection
business
and
later
this
year,
we'll
be
bringing
forward
to
council
for
consideration
a
new
curbside
collection
contract.
AF
At
that
time
we
anticipate
that
full
rear
pack
loads
will
be
picking
up
Organics
So
currently
today,
where
a
vehicle
may
make
two
trips
to
convert
US,
because
they'll
have
capacity
in
their
vehicle.
They'll
probably
only
make
one
trip
so
currently
today,
depending
on
the
season,
there
could
be
anywhere
from
40
to
80
Vehicles
going
to
convert
US.
We
anticipate
that
to
to
go
in
half
starting
in
2026.
G
Okay,
thank
you.
What
are
the
data
sources
that
I'm
interested
in
is
on
the
per
capita
diversion,
because
we've
seen
a
tremendous
amount
of
growth
in
the
city,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
over
the
last
decade,
I
mean
that's,
obviously
contributing
it's.
That's
that's
just
waste
going
to
it
so
like
how
are
we
doing
on
per
capita
diversion?
Do
we
have
any
data
on
that.
G
G
We
have
pressures
right
across
the
city
and
a
number
of
other
files
where
I
think
we
can
better
have
those
ftes
and
again
I
think
there's
going
to
be
some
work
to
do
to
to
adopt
this,
and
one
of
those
areas
will
be
again
on
the
success
of
the
green
bin
and
making
sure
that
people
understand
that
they
can
use
Plastics
and
not
feel
bad
about
it
and
help
us
with
our
diversion
targets.
Thank
you.
Thank.
O
O
I
I
appreciate
that
the
idea
of
of
putting
tags
on
feels
like
bureaucracy
but
in
terms
of
behavior
change
and
I
would
like
to
say
again
that
I
do
have
experience,
creating
multi-residential
diversion
programs
for
residents
of
Ottawa.
You
need
to
make
the
invisible
visible.
The
tags
create
a
a
moment
where
you
make
your
actions
visible,
and
that
creates
a
moment
of
reflection
and
personal
accountability.
The
city
of
Ottawa
is
is
in
charge
of
I've
heard
people
say
the
city
should
go
back
to
basics.
Go
Back,
to
Basics
garbage
collection
is
a
basic.
O
We
do
provide
that
service.
However,
it
is
not,
as
far
as
I
am
concerned,
the
city's
responsibility
to
alone
to
take
responsibility
for
consumers,
actions
I,
believe
we
can
share
that
responsibility
and
I.
Believe
that's
what
tags
does
I
appreciate
my
counselors
car
and
brown
for
their
motion
I
appreciate
that
there
has
been
some
attempt
to
bring
together
different
perspectives.
O
I
think
you
know
environmental
arguments
aside.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
create
a
targeted
program.
Counselors
King
has
a
motion
about
targeted
education.
We
can
address
our
most
I,
don't
know,
are
least
participating
residents
and
we
can
uphold
the
the
evidence-based
decision-making
of
of
holding
a
two-bag
limit.
O
O
I
am
concerned
that,
by
being
fair
around
this
table,
we
have
proverbiably
proverbially,
cut
the
baby
in
half,
that's
a
that's
an
old
Bible
story,
King
Solomon!
When
we
were
trying
to
be
treat
everybody
fairly,
we
decided
we
were
going
to
cut
the
baby
in
half.
So
here
we
are.
We
have
a
policy
where
we
cut
the
baby
in
half.
O
Are
we
actually
doing
what
is
intended
with
the
policy
to
aim
for
our
provincial
targets?
I
mean
I
also
understand
that
we're
that
committee
tomorrow
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
province
supporting
us,
for
you
know,
40
some
more
paramedics
year
over
year,
I
want
to
demonstrate
to
the
province
that
we
can
be
bold
and
careful
with
our
pennies
before
we
go
and
ask
them
for
more
support
in
some
of
our
other
crises
that
are
competing
with
this.
O
S
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
first
I
just
want
to
start
by
thanking
counselors,
Brown
and
counselor's
Carr
and,
and
you
Mr
Mayor,
for
bringing
everyone
together.
That
is
what
leadership
actually
is.
It's
not
doesn't
need
to
be
a
war.
People
can
actually
work
together
and
you
brought
everyone
together,
and
this
is
what
we
have
in
front
of
us.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
thank
everyone
for
was
this
opportunity
to
discuss
this.
We've
had
the
four
bag
option
or
four
item
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
clear.
S
On
that
four
item
option
we
have
the
three:
now
we
had
the
two
with
the
tags
and
we
had
the
Deferred
for
more
information.
That's
what
what
councils
are
supposed
to
do?
They're
supposed
to
look
at
all
the
options.
The
staff
recommendation
was
the
staff
recommendation,
because
staff
gives
us
their
best
advice,
that's
what
they
do
and
at
a
high
level
we
take
that
advice,
and
then
we
determine
from
our
perspective
whether
that
will
work.
So
at
our
briefings,
I
said
to
staff.
You
know
my
advice
is
come
out
with
your
best
advice.
S
That's
what
you're
supposed
to
do
and
staff
did
that
that
was
their
best
advice
at
the
time
and
I
will
say
that
when
staff
were
collecting
data
and
Consulting,
a
number
of
things
were
not
in
that
consultation
right.
So
at
the
time
we
went
out
a
couple
years
ago
consulted
and
there
was
no
provincial
blue
box
option.
S
We
have
many
more
options
in
front
of
us
and
people
have
worked
together
instead
of
just
looking
at
those
two
options
and
that
being
it
so
yes,
I
was
at
the
hydro,
Ottawa
meeting
but
I'm
glad
I.
Wasn't
there
I'm
glad
it
ended
in
a
tie?
And
here
we
are
today
so
I
think
if
I
were
there,
I
probably
would
have
voted
for
the
four
bags,
but
I
wouldn't
have
liked
it.
I
didn't
like
the
two
bags
with
the
tags
that
the
bureaucracy
was
too
overwhelming.
S
I
think
the
people
of
Canada
and
their
responses
to
me
have
said
if
we
could
do
something
that
doesn't
involve
a
lot
more
bureaucracy
and
a
lot
more
cost.
We
would
appreciate
that
now
going
back
to
people
and
saying
there's
flexibility
with
three
in
a
yellow
bag.
There's
flexibility
with
the
provincial
blue
box.
S
You
have
an
incentive,
I
guess
with
the
provincial
blue
box,
that
if
you
don't
recycle
and
the
city
has
to
deal
with
that
recyclable
material
and
I've
gone
out
to
my
community
with
that
that
means
the
city
will
have
to
pay
to
recycle
that
and
then
potentially,
your
taxes
will
go
up.
That's
an
incentive
to
people
that
they
actually
care
about
and
they
have
appreciated.
Knowing
about
now
so
I
mean
when
I
look
at
this
Motion
in
front
of
us
for
the
three
bags
I
think
it
has
achieved
everything
we
wanted
it
to.
S
But
fundamentally
the
education
campaign
will
be
the
key
and
I
think
this
brings
flexibility.
It
has
an
educational
component
which
I
love,
there's
an
incentive
and
then
there's
hope
for
with
counselor
hughley's
motion
a
waste
to
Energy
Solution.
That's
still
to
come,
so
I
appreciate
counselor
Kelly
that
we
would
maybe
want
to
defer
for
more
information,
but
I
think
that
we're
going
to
get
more
information
as
we,
whether
we
like
it
or
not
and
I
think
we
will
like
it
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
support
the
three
bags.
I.
S
Think
that's
what
we'll
end
up
passing
here,
but
I
just
really
am
thankful
that
we're
having
this
conversation
last
night
at
the
school
board,
they
decided
not
to
discuss
the
school
board
likes
to
just
not
talk
about
anything,
that's
controversial.
We
actually
talk
about
things
that
are
controversial,
so
nice
to
be
here
instead
of
there
so
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
three
bags
and
I
thank
everyone
for
their
help.
AI
Thank
you
very
much,
I'll
Echo
what
everyone
has
said.
Thank
you
to
everyone.
Thank
you
to
staff.
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues.
Today
is
very
much
my
lucky
day.
Not
only
do
I
get
to
am
I
put
in
the
awkward
position,
where
I'm
actually
going
to
vote
against
something
that
I
originally
crafted,
but
as
the
only
counselor
who's
actually
had
an
article
written
about
them
because
they
voted
wrong,
I'm
actually,
first
on
the
voters
list
as
well.
So
it's
it's
very
special
to
me
today.
AI
If
those
same
two
emotions
were
here
today,
we
would
also
be
deadlocked,
especially
that
there's
24
of
us
here,
I,
don't
think
being
deadlocked
is
an
answer
for
the
residents
of
Ottawa
I,
don't
think
having
50
percent
of
counselors
dissatisfied
is
an
answer
and
that's
why
I
committed
to
working
with
councilor
Brown
so
closely
on
something
that
could
serve
Ottawa
and
Ottawa
is
very
unique.
We
are
2
800
square
kilometers.
We
are
rural.
We
are
Suburban,
we
are
Urban
and
what
is
important
to
me
and
what
is
important
to
all
of
you
is
diversion.
AI
That's
what's
been
very,
very
clear
to
me
throughout
everything
we
all
have
the
same
goals.
We
don't
want
dumping.
We
don't
want
expensive
administrative
programs,
that's
not
what
anyone
wants.
We
also
want
to
be
accountable
to
our
residents
and
I
was
really
pleased
to
work
with
councilor
Brown
on
something
that
is
a
compromise.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
I've
been
put
in
the
awkward
position
I
didn't
realize.
My
original
motion
was
coming
back.
AI
They
say
that
imitation
is
the
greatest
form
of
flattery,
so
I
I
thank
my
Council
colleagues
for
bringing
that
back
so
I'm
going
to
tell
you
and
because
that
was
my
original
motion
I'm
in
a
unique
position
of
actually
knowing
what's
wrong
with
it.
So
I
will
tell
you
why
you
should
not
vote
for
that
motion.
AI
So,
first
of
all,
we've
heard
a
lot
about
how
the
new
motion
is
going
to
have
more
garbage
and
less
diversion,
but
what
you're
essentially
creating
with
bagatag
is
basically
the
equivalent
of
Private
health
care
for
residents.
There
is
no
limit
to
how
many
bags
tags
you
can
purchase.
So
I've
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
about
low-income
residents,
but
if
I've
got
a
lot
of
money,
I
can
purchase
Limitless
amounts
of
bag
tags
so
doesn't
really
help
with
diversion
in
that
way.
AI
We're
also
giving
15
tags
to
every
single
resident
setting
up
a
program,
but
we've
got
two
free
bags
under
that
so
you're
setting
up
a
program
basically
for
people
that
can't
respect
the
limit
so
a
whole
brand
new
program
for
that
26
percent
of
people
who
aren't
meeting
the
limit.
Essentially
that's
what
you're
doing
and
I
think
that's
a
problem.
AI
I
think
it's
a
problem
that
you're
mailing
out
15
tags
too.
Do
you
know
how
many
residents
are
in
curbside
waste
diversion
306
000,
so
you're
sending
out
four
million
tags
with
no
expiry
date,
so
three
million
tags
going
to
the
the
74
of
people?
That
probably
don't
need
them
no
expiry
date
and
to
be
clear,
it's
not
just
bags
it's
items
so,
for
years
and
years
people
are
going
to
be
able
to
bet,
put
a
tag
on
a
couch,
put
a
tag
on
a
bulky
item.
So
that's
one
reason
it
doesn't
work.
AI
You
know
other
things
that
aren't
great
about
it.
You
know
we
heard
councilor,
Johnson
I
think
said
value
for
money.
Is
there
a
lot
of
value
in
creating
a
brand
new
system?
I,
I
I,
don't
think
so
so
now,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
why
my
new
ocean
is
so
wonderful
and
certainly
I've
left
off.
Some
other
reasons
why
the
other
one
is
not
great.
AI
So
on
this
motion,
we're
not
creating
a
new
program
we're
using
potentially
if
you've
got
an
exceptional
circumstance,
yellow
bags,
not
yellow
items,
so
you're
not
going
to
be
able
there's.
No
none
of
that
residual,
big
bulky
items
that
can
go
out
with
your
grandfather
tags
that
you're
you're
giving
to
people.
AI
AI
We've
put
every
two
weeks
no
later
than
the
end
of
Q2
I,
see
somebody's
challenging
that
to
q1
I'm,
going
to
argue
that
no
later
than
Q2
also
includes
that
we've
asked
and
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
counselor
DeRose,
who
put
together
a
motion
last
time
on
asking
for
the
auditor
general
we're
asking
for
a
third
party
review
of
the
information.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
setup
rates
are
right,
that
we've
seen
them
reported
differently.
X
Thank
you,
mayor,
I,
really,
don't
know
how
I'm
going
to
follow
up
on
that
the
so
no
I
I.
The
thing
that
I've
been
communicating
with
my
residents
is
I
keep
using
my
own
experiences
for
my
hometown.
We
we
had
a
bag
and
tag
program
in
in
that
town
and
when
you
lost
your
tags
and-
and
you
didn't
really
want
to
request
a
new
sheet
of
them
like
what
would
you
do,
you
would
just
go
to
a
park
and
illegally
dump
your
items
and
I.
X
So
I
am
you
know:
I
am
supportive
of
the
three
bag
limits
and
and
and
and
with
that,
like
I
guess.
My
question
to
staff
is
like
what
what's
the
cost
reduction
that
we
I
think
you
gave
a
percentage
earlier,
but
I
think
I
missed
it.
But
what
what's
the
cost
reduction
that
we're
gonna
that
we're
going
to
realize
with
this
three
bag
limit?
And
you
know,
will
those
savings
be
there
for
then
passed
on
to
our
residents
item
three
item.
AC
X
Thanks
very
much
then,
to
build
on
councilor
Carr's
point
about
those
tags
being
like
Private
health
care.
You
know
if
I
I
have
a
feeling
that
one
of
those
tags
only
bun
me
if,
if
I
voted
in
favor
of
that
from
my
for
my
residents
but
I'm,
you
know
with
the
advancements
in
green
bin,
the
popularity
of
biodegradable
plastic
bags
like
it's
becoming
and
more
and
more
people
more.
My
residents
are
realizing
that
it
is
an
option.
X
It
is
a
good
option
for
diversion
and
when,
when
people
raise
issues
about
garbage
spelling,
because
it's
only
collected
every
two
weeks-
that's
what
the
green
bin
is
for.
That's
what
the
green
bin
resolves
and
with
with
the
allowance
of
plastic
bags
and
further
with
biodegradable
plastic
bags
that
you
know
really
does
promote
one
of
the
things
that
the
province
really
wants
us
delivered
so
I.
X
AJ
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
do
have
some
clarifying
questions
and
I
will
share
some
comments.
You
know
I
think
we've
all
heard
a
lot
from
rural
Ottawa
on
this
issue.
They
care
a
lot
about
it
because,
in
addition
to
city
parks,
we
know
that
the
rural
area
will
be
the
The
Dumping
Ground
for
unwanted
waste.
We
already
see
this
happen
regularly,
but
also
because
this
is
a
core
service.
AJ
I
chose
to
live
in
the
rural
area.
I
love
my
community,
but
when
it
comes
to
city
services,
we're
not
connected
to
city,
water
or
natural
gas,
we
have
ditches
that
we
maintain
ourselves
in
lieu
of
sewers.
I
have
no
sidewalks
or
street
lights.
My
street
has
never
been
resurfaced.
My
closest
park
is
a
52
minute,
walk,
closest
Transit,
stop
an
hour
and
30
minutes
and
walk
and
I
could
go
on,
but
our
snow
gets
cleared
and
our
garbage
and
recycling
gets
picked
up.
AJ
AC
To
you,
Mr
Mayor,
so
in
terms
of
the
there
there's
still
the
requests
on
the
table
in
terms
of
the
proposal
for
two
additional
full-time
Solid
Waste
inspectors.
That
would
be
tasked
with
helping
enhance
our
efforts
for
illegal
dumping.
In
addition
to
the
the
original
capital
request,
so
there
will
be
a
capital
request
or
sorry
an
opera.
Yes,
a
capital
request
is
part
of
the
2024
budget
process
that
will
include
temporary
resources
to
help
support
additional
enforcement
of
illegal
dumping.
So
we'll
be
working
closely
with
our
colleagues
bylaw
Services,
as
well
as
Road
services.
AJ
Wonderful,
thank
you,
I'm,
looking
forward
to
seeing
that
and
no
matter
which
motion
gets
approved
today.
What
will
happen
if
a
resident
puts
out
more
than
what
we
did?
So
you
know,
let's
say
we
we
go
with
the
three
container
limit
they
put
out
more
than
that
what
happens
to
the
garbage
that's
left
behind,
or
the
screw.
AC
You
Mr
Mayor,
the
the
intent
would
be,
of
course,
to
be
a
robust
education,
Communications
and
Outreach
campaign
for
that
initial
three
months,
leading
up
to
the
policy
change,
so
our
recommendation
would
stand
no
matter
what
motion
is
approved
by
Council
today
that
that
would
hold
true.
We
would
have
a
graduated
approach
to
enforcement,
so
the
intent
with
that
would
be,
of
course,
education,
first
and
foremost
to
each
of
the
households
as
it
exists
today.
You
know
if
an
additional
item
is
set
out,
we
can
put
up
that
oops
sticker.
AH
AH
I
think
the
context
I'd
like
to
provide
is
that
just
the
more
significant
change
that
actually
took
place
was
in
2012
when
we
moved
to
bi-weekly
garbage
where
every
where
essentially
100
percent
of
residents
were
impacted
by
that
change.
The
change
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
will
affect
about
three
quarters
or
won't
affect
about
three
quarters
of
residents.
So
it's
not
every
single
residence
that
will
be
impacted
or
that
illegal
dumping
concerns
will
apply
plus.
AH
What
we're
seeing
right
now
is
we're
seeing
some
legal
dumping
ongoing
now,
but
from
a
bylaw
perspective
out
of
about
65,
000,
bylaw
requests
or
Services
requests
that
they
get
around
250
or
related
to
Illegal
dumping.
So
there's
some
that's
going
on
now,
but
if
it
was
a
significant
concern,
it
would
still
be
tied
to
that
bi-weekly
garbage
concern,
so
we
do
expect
to
be
to
see
a
spike
and
that's
why
we're
looking
at
the
additional
enforcement.
But
it's
also
something
that
we
see
as
being
short-lived
and
will
stabilize
again
after
a
few
months.
AJ
AJ
AF
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
the
modeling
that
was
completed
was
based
on
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
firm
limit
modeling
hasn't
been
completed.
So
at
this
point
we
can't
comment
further
recognizing,
though,
that
we
will
be
reporting
back
so
then
that
way,
council
is
aware
of
the
diversion
that
we
are
achieving
through
any
motion
that
is
approved
today.
AJ
AJ
I
want
to
thank
everyone.
Who's
reached
out
to
my
office
voicing
their
concerns
about
this
issue.
One
of
the
reasons
I
ran
to
be
a
counselor
was
because
I
wanted
to
see
people
more
engaged
in
Municipal
issues
and
I.
Don't
think
any
of
us
can
deny.
We've
had
engagement
on
this,
and
also
thank
you
to
my
staff
for
answering
countless
emails
and
phone
calls.
AJ
I
want
residents
to
know
that
even
if
I
didn't
respond
personally,
I
have
read
every
piece
of
Correspondence
and
also
appreciate
all
the
in-person
conversations
I've
had
as
well
and
I
want
to
pick
up
on
on
some
of
the
comments
my
colleagues
have
made
because
I
get
asked
all
the
time
how's
the
new
Council.
How
are
you
getting
along
and
I
brag
about
us,
I
brag
about
the
willingness
to
collaborate
and
see
things
from
a
different
perspective
and
the
approach
you've
taken
Mr
Mayor
on
bringing
this
Council
together?
AJ
It's
refreshing
and
it's
important
and
so
I
was
happy
to
give
my
feedback
and
work
with
colleagues
on
the
brown
car
compromise
motion.
I.
Think
there's
some
good
stuff
in
here,
including
consideration
for
agricultural
properties,
the
feasibility
of
expanding
the
yellow
bag
program,
the
communications
plan
and
I
do
think
it
strikes
the
right
balance
of
responding
to
resident
feedback,
but
also
moving
the
needle
on
the
waste
diversion
strategy.
AJ
So
as
a
city
I
think
we
really
have
a
gift.
Everyone
is
talking
about
garbage
amazing.
We
have
the
ear
of
the
public
on
this.
Let's
use
that
opportunity
to
educate
our
residents
on
why
this
is
important,
why
we
need
behaviors
to
change
not
only
for
the
obvious
environmental
aspects,
but
as
Elaine
was
saying
now
that
we're
transitioning
to
the
provincial
blue
box
system.
AJ
There
is
a
financial
interest
in
residents
diverting
because
there's
a
cost
to
taxpayers
to
pick
up
garbage,
but
there
won't
be
a
cost
to
recycle
and
I
know
that
there's
been
frustration
among
counselors
about
this
being
piecemeal,
so
I
think
we
also
need
to
myth
bust
that
incineration
is
still
on
the
table.
Capacity
dealing
with
multi-residential
is
still
on
the
table
or
we'll
be
dealing
with
that
later
and
that
the
province
is
going
after
producers,
but
curbside
is
is
part
of
the
puzzle
and
I
think
we
all
need
to
participate.
AJ
In
that
conversation,
as
counselors
I
saw
councilor
Hills
organizing
volunteer
resident
education
on
diversion,
we
should
all
be
doing
that
I'm
militant
about
recycling,
not
because
the
city
is
forcing
me
to
it's
voluntary
and
I
think
we
can
get
there.
A
lot
of
us
are
former
professional
communicators.
Let's
use
our
platform
and
let's
radically
educate
our
community
and
make
it
easy
for
people
to
do
the
right
thing.
Counselor
leaper
was
teasing
me
about
being
overly
optimistic.
I
am
optimistic.
AJ
AK
You
very
much
Mr
Mayor.
You
know
I've
spoken
twice
already
on
the
co-opted
Lazarus
motion.
That's
before
us
today
on
bag
tags.
That,
for
some
reason,
is
back
before
us,
so
I'll
save
you
the
greatest
hits
recap,
but
not
before
sharing
a
joke
that
Marty
Carr
shared
with
me
earlier
today.
There's
132
pay
as
you
throw
programs
across
Ontario
and
the
last
one
was
implemented
in
2017
in
Waterloo.
All
of
these
were
implemented
before
the
2017
provincial
Direction.
So
you
know
us
implementing
a
tag.
AK
A
bag
is
like
buying
a
VCR
to
watch
a
new
release
today.
This
first
motion
belongs
in
the
black
bin.
That's
for
for
the
education
piece
that
that
counselor
King
has
asked
for
through
the
brown
car
motion.
You
know
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
we've
decided
not
to
raise
taxes,
I'm
pleased
that
some
counselors
were
engaged
to
form
a
consensus.
That's
that's
nice
to
see
and
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
there's
some
considerations
for
our
farmers
in
the
rural
area,
I,
guess,
I've.
You
know
councilor
Brown
and
councilor
Carter.
AK
AK
AK
After
we
vote
on
the
new
Solid
Waste
master
plan,
we
won't
have
a
long-term
any
long-term
data
on
multi-residential
diversion
and
we
won't
have
any
data
on
diversion
rates
of
the
new
provincial
framework,
so
I'm
disappointed
that
we
are
once
again
making
a
decision
without
all,
without
all
the
information
that
we
could
have
had
before
us.
That
hasn't
really
worked
for
us
in
the
past.
AK
I'd
rather
do
what's
right
and
make
an
informed
decision
couched
in
a
long-term
plan,
I
think
in
a
rush
to
find
something
that
members
could
rationalize
their
vote
on.
We
lost
the
plot,
we're
taking
the
first
step
in
a
40-year
journey
and
we
don't
even
know
how
we're
going
to
get
there
and
for
those
of
us
that
may
think
that
the
discussion
is
over
after
today
because
of
a
Kumbaya
motion.
Don't
kid
yourselves!
AK
M
Today,
two
men
on
a
truck
go
to
the
neighborhoods
and
they
pick
up
garbage
and
they
go
on
the
outskirts
of
the
city
where
there's
a
big
hole
or
a
mountain
and
they
put
the
garbage
and
they
do
exactly
the
same
thing.
Our
priority
needs
to
be
to
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
that's
created.
To
begin
with,
that's
the
number
one
and
for
the
waste
that
is
created
divert
from
the
landfill
is
the
close
number
two
on
that
list.
M
We
already
have
diversion
programs
that
exist.
Many,
the
three
main
ones,
are
the
blue,
black
and
green
bin
programs
that
we've
been
operating
in
the
city,
some
as
early
as
1987,
in
addition
to
things
like
hazardous
waste,
Depots,
take
it
back.
Programs
E-Waste
River,
word
hosts
junk
that
funk
on
our
Ward
were
the
number
one
ward
in
the
city
for
E-Waste.
M
M
The
question
from
counselor
kits
to
staff,
about
what
happens
if
a
household
exceeds
the
limit
that
they're
allowed
to
put
out,
and
you
talked
about
what
we're
going
to
have
a
an
enforcement
straight
up
education
campaign
in
an
advance,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
happens
when
that
fourth
bag
is
put
out
there?
Will
the
op
will
The
Collector
put
a
tag
on
it
similar
when
I
put
my
blue
bin
out
on
black
bin
week
and
to
say
you've
exceeded
the
amount,
we're
not
picking
it
up?
AF
So
through
you
Mr
Mayor,
so
your
Council
you're
raising
a
great
point
and
and
something
that
we
do
need
to
certainly
document
and
make
sure
that
we
communicate.
So
it's
known
to
all
members
of
council
as
well
as
our
inspectors
and
our
collectors
of
what
the
expectation
is
what
I
can
speak
to
specifically
is
today.
If
items
are
out
inappropriately
blue
or
Black
Box
on
box
out
on
the
wrong
day
or
or
garbage
that
that's
placed,
there
is
a
tag.
AF
So
all
of
those
items
are
currently
within
the
this
always
bylaw
identifying
what
those
chargeback
costs
might
be.
But
I
will
stress
that
we
do
need
to
work
through
this
and
come
back
as
part
of
the
implementation
plan.
So
that
way,
Council
has
a
full
appreciation
and
understanding,
as
well
as
our
residents
on
what
that
process
will
be.
M
Thank
you.
There
was
basically
a
dismissal
at
committee
by
waste
watch,
Ottawa
that
hey
after
three
months,
The
Dumping
issue
will
go
away
and,
and
the
fact
is,
I've
never
seen
so
much
in
park.
Dumping
in
my
ward,
I've
lived
in
my
word,
my
whole
life
than
we
have
in
recent
years.
City
parks,
NCC,
green
spaces,
walk
Spaces,
cul-de-sacs,
commercial
and
school
property,
dumpsters
being
used
where
people
drive
up
and
unload
garbage.
M
Z
Yeah,
thank
you.
It's
it's
a
clause
that
I
mulled
over
and
if
it
felt
like
the
reinstatement
of
that
Clause
were
something
that
would
gain
more
support
for
it.
I
would
be
certainly
willing
to
consider
it
because
that's
not
the
hill
that
I
want
to
die
on
for
sure
in
terms
of
this
motion,
but
I
will
be
clear
in
that
it
did
feel
like
it
was
prioritizing
the
high
holidays
of
one
group,
perhaps
without
the
inclusion
of
the
other,
so
I
did
have
a
little
bit
of
a
concern
over
that.
Z
M
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
A
speaker
had
indicated
that
if
we
go
with
a
three
bag
cap,
we
would
be
increasing
service
levels
because,
right
now
the
average
is
2.1
for
households,
but
we're
not
increasing
service
levels.
The
cap
right
now
is
six
bags
per
household.
We
will
be
reducing
the
amount
of
waste
that
households
can
put
out
on
the
curb
from
six
to
three
or
six
to
two.
M
Depending
on
what
most
motion
passes,
I
really
want
to
see
existing
diversion
programs
fully
utilized
and
subscribed
to
by
the
people
bottle
we're
paying
for
these
programs
they're
paying
for
these
programs.
They
exist
I
put
out
less
than
one
can
of
garbage
every
six
weeks,
because
my
my
household
fully
utilizes
the
black
bin
blue
brim,
green
bin
programs.
What
I
think
the
people
of
Ottawa
need
help
with
is
how
do
I
get
rid
of
the
other
stuff
stuff
that
still
has
value.
M
I
I
am
terrible
at
keeping
stuff
that
I
don't
need
anymore,
because
I
think
someone
else
out
there
needs
it
and
I
don't
want
money
for
it.
I
just
want
a
medium
or
an
opportunity
to
make
those
items
available
for
people
who
need
them.
So
that's
one
thing,
but
two:
the
million
dollar
question
is:
how
do
we
convince
people
who
are
not
using
the
green
bin
program?
We're
not
fully
utilizing
the
black
bin
and
blue
bin
programs
to
use
those
programs
I'm,
not
convinced
the
bag
tag
program
is
the
way
to
go.
M
I
First,
it
was
I
felt
like
okay,
let's
hold
our
nose
and
and
vote
for
this
because
I
can
see
where
both
sides
are
coming
together
here,
but
the
more
I'm
hearing
about
this
motion
and
reading
into
it
I'm
sorry,
the
more
I'm
learning
of
it.
The
better
I
like
the
motion
I,
did
for
the
record
support
counselor
Clark's
motion
because
I
I'm
concerned
with
the
timing
of
this
today.
Sorry
I
gotta
take
a
little
drink
here.
I
So
I
I
appreciate
the
support
of
council
and
I'm,
hoping
that
staff
are
going
to
give
us
a
very
comprehensive
report
in
the
fall
so
that
we
can
figure
out
how
what
we
decide
today
will
fit
into
that
long-term
strategy
and
what
we
have
to
do
to
get
from
here
to
there
I
think
we
need
to
ramp
up
our
discussion
after
today,
I
I
again
with
councilor
luloff
I
agree.
This
discussion
doesn't
end
today.
I
It
just
starts
for
the
new
counselors
around
the
table,
I'm
going
to
make
a
prediction:
you're
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
garbage
to
your
residents
this
summer.
It's
they're
not
going
to
stop
councilor,
DeRose
and
I
have
been
talking
about
how
we
were
here
when
they
went
from
one
week
to
two
weeks.
He
supported
it.
I
I
didn't
I'm,
proud
of
that
he's
proud
of
his
vote,
but
people
never
stop
talking
to
us
about
that
and
The
Dumping
that
Council
brockington's
talking
about
and
we're
all
experiencing
it,
whether
we
like
it
or
not
to
me,
that's
a
sign
on
protest
going
back
that
far
so,
as
I
mentioned,
I
think
we
have
to
ramp
up
the
discussion
on
diversion.
That's
what
I'm,
picking
out
of
everybody's
comments
and
I'm
hearing
really
good
things,
and
it
comes
the
clock
brought
up
about
multi-res
units.
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
that?
I
know.
I
I've
seen
some
interesting
technology
personally
to
address
that
I
forwarded
as
I
do
with
anything,
that's
any
good
to
Shelley
and
her
team
to
review
so
I
hope
we're
going
to
hear
more
about
that,
because
that's
the
key
to
success
that
we
can
get
the
multi-res
units
involved
in
the
actual
diversion
of
things
councilman
I
had
earlier
mentioned
about
mattresses
going
to
the
landfill,
taking
up
a
lot
of
space
and
landfill.
We
know
we
have
a
local
company
that
recycles
these
mattresses
and
and
repurposes
what's
included
in
there.
I
Why
is
that
stuff
still
sitting
in
Trail
Road?
Why
can't
we
step
in
right
away
and
work
out?
Something
to
divert
that
we
don't
need
four
years
to
study
that
I'd
like
to
see
a
plan
in
the
fall
to
have
those
mattresses
diverted
from
Trail
Road
as
soon
as
possible.
Same
thing
applies
to
the
construction
waste
that
we
heard
about
today
too.
If
we
really
are
worried
about
the
landfill
which
I
hope
we
all
are
those
kinds
of
steps
need
to
be
taken
right
away.
I
I
That's
how
we're
going
to
keep
costs
low
for
residents
the
something
as
simple
as
getting
pet
waste
out
of
our
city
parks
and
and
garbage
cans,
which
then
go
to
Trail
Road,
something
as
simple
as
addressing
that
here.
It
is
almost
the
end
of
June
and
we
can't
do
anything
about
it.
It's
been
years,
we've
been
talking
about
it,
since
somebody
mentioned
earlier
about
the
changes
we
made
to
the
green
bin
program
to
allow
plastic
in
there.
I
think
it
was
councilor.
I
Derosa
brought
that
up
that
we
expected
to
see
a
nice
big
bounce
in
green
bin
there
and
he's
right
we're
not
communicating
that
out
enough
I
get
that
staffer,
and
this
is
going
to
be
my
first
question
to
start
I
get
that
it's
part
of
your
Communications
plan.
When
is
it
part
of
your
Communications
plan?
When
are
we
going
to
see
information
about
that?
I
That
will
go
out
to
our
residents
that
we
as
counselors
can
promote,
because
there's
really
no
excuse
for
somebody
to
not
use
their
green
bin
now
that
we
allow
them
to
put
it
in
the
plastic
bag.
As
he's
said,
the
leftover
bread
bag,
whatever
you
want
and
put
that
stuff
in
your
green
bin.
When
are
we
going
to
see
that
information
come
out
this
year?.
AF
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
so
I'll
start
and
then
I'll
hand
it
over
to
my
my
colleague
Andrea
as
part
of
information.
That's
communicated
out
through
that
the
recollection
and
the
waste
Explorer
app.
There
are
reminders
for
residents
as
well
as
we
do
offer
now,
currently
different
programs
or
campaigns
in
order
to
promote
different
pieces.
AL
Yes,
thank
you
Shelley
and
through
the
chair
we
will
be
continuing
the
communications,
particularly
after
this
conversation.
We
are
listening
very
carefully
to
what
members
of
council
are
saying
as
part
of
this
program.
There
is
funding
to
support
communication,
so
we
will
be
taking
that
using
that
and
continuing
the
work
that
was
started
in
2020..
There
was
an
initial
campaign
back
in
2020
pertaining
to
the
the
plastic.
AL
Unfortunately,
of
course
we
were
hit
by
a
pandemic
in
that
time,
which,
which
impacted
probably
the
the
permeation.
We
did
do
some
market
research
after
the
2020
to
see
if
people
were
aware
of
the
yes
I'm
behind
you
to
see
if
people
are
aware
of
the
of
the
ads
and
about
50
percent
a
year
and
a
half
after
the
ads
campaign
remembered
it,
which
is
good
for
a
year
and
a
half
after
the
campaign.
But
we
do
need
to
continue
this
to
the
point
of
members
of
council.
AH
I
You
can
Mr
Mayor.
Can
we
get
that
in
as
a
direction
to
staff
to
provide
counsel
with
that
information,
I
I
know
there
is
a
really
good
pamphlet
out
there
about
what
goes
in
the
bin.
As
one
example
I'd
like
to
see
that
get
circulated
to
Kahala
Council
if
possible.
So
we
can
help
promote.
My
last
comment:
Mr
Mayor
and
I
appreciate
a
couple
extra
seconds
on
this.
I
just
have
one
question
and
that's
the
impact
on
the
pickup
service.
We're
talking.
You
know.
I
If,
if
we
choose
to
support
councilor
Devine's
motion
and
go
with
the
tags,
have
we
looked
at
the
amount
of
time
it's
going
to
take
the
garbage
people
that
pick
up
our
garbage?
What's
the
impact
on
them
getting
their
route
done
and
if
we
don't
go
with
tags,
but
we
go
with
the
weight
of
the
bags
who's
weighing
that
bag?
Is
it
the
guy
with
the
truck,
has
a
scale
on
the
side,
or
are
we
expecting
residents
to
wait?
Okay,
thank.
AH
So
mayor,
if
I
can
just
step
in
on
on
one
of
the
first
questions
related
to
the
communication
piece,
one
thing
that
I
can
assure
counsel
is,
regardless
of
what
option
is
selected.
You
have
our
commitment
that
basically
there
will
be
a
solid
communication
and
engagement
plan
on
what
we're
rolling
out,
because
one
other
piece
that
both
motions
are
trying
to
get
to
is
basically
increase.
Resonance
awareness
around
the
importance
of
diverting
nor
waste
cost
savings
opportunities
around
the
recycling
piece.
Why
it's
important
to
divert
organic.
AH
So
it's
it's
one
of
the
area
that
we
we
appreciate
that
Reg,
regardless
of
the
outcome
that
we're
that
council
is
going
to
be
voting
on,
that
will
be
a
focal
point,
moving
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
much
success
as
we
can
out
of
regardless
of
the
options
that
are
being
or
being
retained.
So
that
is
definitely
our
commitment
to
your
counselor.
AF
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
current
definition
of
an
item,
as
well
as
the
weight
isn't
changing
through
these
motions,
and
currently
our
operators,
It
Is
by
they're,
quite
strong
and
and
and
it
is
by
their
their
take
on
whether
or
not
something
is
too
heavy.
So
certainly
there
won't
be
weighing
the
material
currently
when
we
were
looking
through
these
options,
like
I,
think
in
consideration
the
curbside
diversion
policy
piece,
we
did
engage
with
our
current
collectors
in
order
to
speak
with
them.
AF
L
L
The
city
has
allowed
an
unenforced
limit
of
six
garbage
items
since
2007,
which
is
not
sustainable
based
upon
the
city's
landfill
capacity
and
provincial
policy
for
over
a
decade.
The
implementation
of
the
green
bin
program
and
shift
to
bi-weekly
garbage
collection
has
only
resulted
in
a
12
percent
increase
in
waste
diversion
to
encourage
residents
to
make
full
use
of
diversion
programs
and
adjustment
of
the
max
maximum
number
of
garbage
items
permitted
at
the
curb
will
be
necessary.
The
province
is
set
a
70
percent
reduction
and
Recovery
Target
for
food
and
organic
waste
for
municipalities.
L
By
the
end
of
this
year,
the
province
also
has
set
a
target
for
phasing
out
all
food
and
organic
waste
from
landfills
by
20
30..
To
achieve
these
targets,
58
percent
of
waste
needs
to
be
diverted
to
recycling
programs.
For
us
to
reach
these
ambitious
goals,
we
must
adopt
a
new
residential
curbside
waste
policy.
This
is
why
I
will
vote
in
favor
of
any
initiative
that
reduces
the
amount
of
waste
that
is
picked
up.
L
Curbside
overall,
reducing
the
amount
of
Residential
Waste
being
picked
up
in
Ottawa
is
key
to
promoting
sustainable
waste
management
practices,
increasing
Recycling
and
composting,
encouraging
methods
to
reduce
waste
generation
and
encouraging
a
more
environmentally
conscious
City.
By
reducing
the
amount
of
residential
garbage
generated,
our
city
improves
its
Environmental
Conservation
efforts.
Less
waste
means
fewer
resources,
consumed
in
the
production,
transportation
and
disposal
of
garbage.
It
helps
conserve.
L
Natural
resources
reduces
energy
consumption
and
minimizes
pollution
associated
with
Waste
Management,
when
Ottawa
residents
are
more
conscious
of
their
waste
production
and
I
feel
that
they
are
now
with
this
debate,
this
ongoing
debate,
they
are
more
likely
to
separate
recyclable
materials
and
organic
waste
from
the
general
trash.
This
promotes
sustainable
practices
and
extends
the
life
of
landfills
by
diverting
materials
from
disposal.
L
Reducing
the
amount
of
residential
garbage
being
picked
up
will
ultimately
lead
to
reductions
in
Waste
Management
costs.
We
know
that
the
city
saves
between
1.1
to
3
million
for
each
year
the
landfill
is
extended
and
we
heard
that
from
from
staff
today,
while
the
city
is
exploring
long-term
options,
ranging
from
sighting
a
new
landfill
to
leveraging
new
technologies.
Such
options,
as
we
know,
will
cost
in
the
range
of
350
to
400
million
and
will
take
10
to
15
years
to
cite
construct
and
operate.
This
is
why
changes
to
our
curbside
collection
policy
are
critical.
L
By
reducing
the
amount
of
waste
being
picked
up,
we
can
free
up
funds
that
can't
be
allocated
to
other
essential
infrastructure
improvements.
We
also
Foster
a
culture
of
sustainability
and
responsible
consumption
amongst
our
residents.
It
encourages
individuals
to
be
mindful
of
their
waste
generation
and
seek
alternative
ways
to
reduce
reuse
and
recycle.
L
P
P
Z
Z
Z
My
genuine
fear
is
that
we're
going
to
start
to
see
an
average
setout
rate
of
more
than
2.1.
My
genuine
fear
is
that,
among
those
74
of
people
who
are
keeping
it
at
2.1,
they're
going
to
be
granted
social
license
to
to
do
less,
and
so
I
fear
that
we
may
end
up
with
a
with
an
unfortunate
outcome
here
to
speak
to
the
the
brown
car
motion
itself.
Z
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
little
bit
on
the
yellow
bag
things
because
I'm
still
quite
quite
confused
about
that
in
the
original
four
bag
motion.
There
was
concern
for
the
affordability
concerns
on
large
families,
families
that
might
be
putting
out
four
or
more
items
and
I
do
want
to
zero
in
on
that,
a
little
because
I
think
there
is
value
to
being
concerned
about
affordability
as
I
understand
it
in
the
brown
car
motion.
The
flexibility
built
into
the
motion
is
the
possible
incorporation
of
the
yellow
bag
proposal.
Z
Pending
a
successful
exploration
of
its
feasibility.
We
are
in
a
little
bit
of
uncharted
waters.
We
don't
know
where
that
exploration
will
go,
but
pending
it's
its
success.
Now
counselor
Gower
was
speaking
about
residents
having
the
option
of
driving
their
fourth
bag
of
garbage
out
to
Trail.
So
a
question
to
staff,
if
I
am
taking
my
fourth
item
to
Trail,
if
I'm
taking
a
33
pound
can
of
trash
to
Trail,
how
much
might
it
cost
me
for
for
that
tipping
fee.
AC
Z
Z
If
I
choose
not
to
spend
that
much
money
going
that
way
if
I
choose
to
purchase
the
yellow
bags,
I
think
you
said
earlier:
it'll
be
about
17.20
for
four
bags
compared
to
twelve
dollars
for
Four
Tags.
So
it
does
start
to
sound
like
whether,
if
I
am
that
large
family
wondering
what
to
do
with
my
fourth
bag,
it
does
start
to
sound
like
whether
I
choose
the
trail
route
or
if
I
choose
buying
the
yellow
tags
root.
Things
are
getting
more
and
more
expensive
from
a
consumer
point
of
view
for
those
families.
Z
AC
AC
Through
Mr
Mayor
So,
currently,
85
percent
of
households
are
setting
out
three
or
more
items,
whereas
compared
to
74
percent
are
setting
out
two
or
less
So.
Based
on
that,
it's
we
do
anticipate
that
we
will.
We
will
progress
with
either
or
but
that
we
will
likely
not
achieve
as
high
diversion
rates
as
well
as
waste
reduction.
With
a
three
item
limit
compared
to
a
two
item
limit:
okay,.
Z
Thank
you
so
to
to
to
reinforce
what
council
Leeper
was
saying
when
he
was
referencing
when
I
was
saying
about
being
bold,
it
does
now
seem
and
I
may
be
wrong.
It
does
now
seem
that
all
we're
really
choosing
is
between
a
three
item
limit
or
a
two
item
limit
with
something
that
rhymes
with
AGS,
whether
that
be
bags
or
yellow
tags.
Z
So
if
I
really
do
in
consideration
of
all
that
is
at
stake
here,
not
just
for
now,
but
for
tomorrow,
and
for
10
years
from
now
in
15
and
20
years
from
now,
this
is,
as
somebody
else
said,
this
is
a
lose
lose
no
matter
what
no
matter
what
we
do
today,
even
if
we
defer
we're
going
to
be
upsetting
a
great
number
of
people
if
we're
going
to
lose
I'd.
Rather
we
lose
big
and
bold
and
do
what
I
think
inarguably
is
best
for
the
future
of
the
city.
AA
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
Mayor
and
thank
you
to
my
colleague
across
the
way.
It's
been
a
great
experience
and
and
one
that
I
think
I've
shared
with
many
around
the
table.
Counselor
Carr,
I
I
could
never
match
your
passion,
but
certainly
I,
don't
ever
want
to
end
up
on
the
wrong
side
of
an
issue
with
you.
AA
It
truly
has
been
a
collaborative
effort
and
there's
nothing
about
either
proposal
that
doesn't
ask
residents
to
do
better
right
now.
We're
going
from
the
wild
west
of
anything
goes
put
out
as
much
as
you
want
to
a
limit
I'm
very
concerned
about
illegal
dumping
and
I'm
sitting
between
two
poets.
Today,
counselor
cat
says
she
does
always
encapsulates
the
real
perspective
so
well
and
to
my
left,
counselor
durash,
who
talked
about
Urban
loads
on
Rural
roads,
and
it's
certainly
going
to
be
rural
Ottawa
that
ends
up
dealing
with
any
change
that
happens.
AA
Mr
Mayor
your
office
has
been
extremely
helpful
in
bringing
us
together
around
the
table
and
I.
Think
that's
what
taxpayers
expect
they
want
to
see.
All
of
us
come
together
and
find
a
compromise,
that'll
work
for
the
majority
and
I
think
that's
what
we
have
with
the
motion
put
forward
by
counselor
Carr
and
myself.
When
we're
looking
at
diversion.
You
know
we
all
want
to
see
less
go
to
the
landfill.
AA
I
am
certainly
thinking
more
than
most
is
the
landfills
in
my
work,
this
is
a
key
topic
for
residents
in
my
ward
and
they
want
to
see
it
addressed.
What
we
don't
want
to
do,
though,
is
punish
residents
for
living
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
which
is
why
the
compromised
motion
put
forward
by
councilor,
car
and
myself
enjoy
I
hope
would
enjoy
the
support
of
the
majority
of
residents
in
Ottawa,
because
it
ensures
that
they
can
continue
to
live
while
doing
better.
AA
But
the
the
built-in
flexibility
is
there
to
ensure
that
if
they
do
have
a
party
say
a
birthday
party,
nothing
says
happy
birthday
like
take
your
garbage
home
with
you,
we
don't
want
to
see
that
and
I
think
we'd
see
a
lot
of
that
waste
end
up
in
the
rural
side.
Ditches
roadside
ditches,
rather
I
would
ask
a
clarification
from
staff
on
the
yellow
bag
program.
AC
So
three
Mr
Mayor
I'll
start
that
and
Isabel.
If
you
want
to
add
or
Shelly
anything
onto
it,
so
certainly
there
there
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
it
because
it
is
currently
priced
based
on
the
fact
that
businesses
do
not
pay
a
solid
waste
user
fee.
We
can
assess
the
opportunity
to
understand
the
cost
recovery
for
from
a
residential
perspective,
taking
into
consideration
that
there
already
is
a
user
fee,
that's
being
paid.
AA
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
clarification
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
we're
looking
at
ensuring
that
residents
can
afford
to
live
in
Ottawa
and
that
Ottawa
is
a
place
that
you'd
want
to
raise.
Your
family
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
the
the
motion
put
forward
by
councilor
Karen
myself
has
a
very
important
accommodation
for
agricultural
operations.
We
don't
want
to
punish
those
who
grow
our
food
right
here
in
Ottawa
and,
as
you've
heard
me
say
before,
Ottawa
is
an
agricultural
City.
AA
80
percent
of
the
land
mass
within
our
Municipal
boundaries
is
in
one
of
the
four
rural
Awards,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
there's
a
very
select
group
of
folks
that
we
should
look
after
that.
We
want
to
support
and
we
always
want
to
support
local
food
production
here
in
Ottawa,
Mr
Mayor
I
think
it's
important
again
to
recognize
that
we're
talking
about
items
and
I
know
it's
a
slip
of
the
tongue
and
I've
caught
myself
earlier
this
week,
saying
it,
but
we're
not
talking
about
garbage
bags.
AA
We're
talking
about
items
and
that's
a
very
important
distinction
and
I
hope
the
media
will
pick
up
on
that.
We're
not
looking
to
change
the
definition.
That's
already
in
the
solid
waste
bylaw
we're
just
looking
to
ensure
that,
when
we're
having
this
conversation,
we're
using
the
correct
terminology,
so
we
have
a
firm
grasp
of
what
we're
actually
talking
about
and
I
think
that's
important
to
recognize
going
forward.
I
hope,
that's
highlighted
in
the
educational
component
of
whatever
motion
ends
up
coming
forward.
I
think
that's
very
important
that
that
distinction
is
made.
It's
items
not
bags.
AA
Mr
Mayor
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
ask
a
few
questions
and
in
wrap
up.
Colleagues
I
would
encourage
you
to
support
the
motion
put
forward
by
counselor
car
and
myself
I
think
it
hits
all
the
important
points
it
moves
us
forward.
It
ensures
that
we
start
recognizing
that
diversion
is
important,
but
that
we
encourage
residents
and
families
to
continue
to
be
able
to
live
in
Ottawa
without
being
punished
to
do
so.
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
time.
A
Think
that's
what
we've
done
over
the
last
10
days
after
the
committee
meeting
last
week,
I
thought
it
was
important
to
connect
with
the
two
counselors
who
moved
the
two
key
motions
at
the
committee
meeting
and
find
a
way
to
work
together
on
a
solution,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
councilor,
Carr
and
I
want
to
thank
councilor
Brown
for
their
collaboration
and
for
approaching
those
discussions
with
an
open
mind.
I
also
want
to
thank
councilor,
dudas,
counselor
kits
and
counselor
Curry
for
their
contributions
to
that
dialogue.
It
was
very
productive.
A
Conversation
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
as
well
counselor
Menard,
the
chair
of
the
environment
committee,
with
whom
I've
had
multiple
conversations
over
the
past
week
as
we've
moved.
This
move
this
along
and
I,
want
to
thank
all
counselors
today
for
your
questions
and
your
your
comments
and
your
contributions
to
this
discussion.
A
This
this
issue
is,
of
course,
only
one
piece
of
our
overall
Solid
Waste
master
plan,
which
Council
will
consider
later
this
year,
so
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
Shelley,
Nicole,
Andrea,
LA
and
all
of
your
teams
for
the
many
many
hours
that
you've
put
into
this,
and
also
you've
done
a
great
job
today.
Answering
questions
at
this
council
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
that.
As
you
all
know,
this
is
just
the
beginning,
as
other
people
have
noted,
there
are
still
a
number
of
important
steps
ahead
in
this
discussion.
A
In
addition
to
what
we
decide
today,
we'll
be
taking
steps
to
reduce
waste
from
multi-residential
buildings
and
we'll
be
having
very,
very
important
conversations
about
developing
long-term
solutions
for
disposing
of
our
waste
in
Ottawa,
I
believe
through
collaboration
and
cooperation.
We've
arrived
at
a
solution
that
takes
an
important
step
forward,
may
not
go
as
far
as
some
people
want,
but
it
is
still
a
big
step
forward.
It
will
extend
the
life
of
our
landfill
by
increasing
waste
diversion.
A
The
more
we
put
into
the
green
bin,
the
less
we
will
pay
as
taxpayers,
going
forward
for
the
collecting
and
disposing
of
garbage.
So
that's
an
important
part
of
an
important
consideration
as
well,
so
again,
I'm
glad
to
see
the
level
of
cooperation
that
went
into
this
outcome
and
I'm
grateful
to
my
colleagues
for
their
hard
work
on
this
I
think
that
is
what
residents
expect
of
us,
and
so
let's
keep
moving
forward
and
keep
working
together
in
a
collaborative
Fashion
on
these
issues.
So
with
that,
let's
vote
on
councilor
divine's
Motrin.
First,
please.
U
M
AH
AE
AH
A
Z
Z
So,
colleagues,
in
my
original
proposal,
thanks
to
the
input
and
thank
you
to
my
secondary
counselor
Bradley,
there
had
been
a
request
to
speed
up
the
implementation
of
the
speed
of
the
three
bag
limit
because,
after
speaking
to
staff,
they
confirmed
that
they
could
easily
launch
the
program
sooner
than
the
timeline
required
for
bags
and
tags.
I
understand
that
there
is
a
lot
of
resistance
to
a
quicker
implementation
from
some
counselors
and
so
with
apology
to
my
seconder.
Z
I
have
removed
that
Clause,
but
I
certainly
do
encourage
and
urge
staff
to
prepare
for
an
implementation
and
education
component
as
soon
as
possible.
So
my
concern
with
the
with
the
the
brown
car
motion
which
I
will
be
supporting
is,
with
the
last,
be
it
resolve.
Clause
of
that
motion,
the
end
of
that
paragraph
requests
that
staff
provide
ongoing
report
reporting
on
diversion
efforts,
including
green
blue
and
black
bin
waste
composition
and
effectiveness
of
diversion
through
these
programs
once
the
bag
limit
is
implemented.
Z
If
we
end
up
going
from
2.1
bags
per
household
to
3.5
bags,
then
the
potential
increase
of
diversion
isn't
the
only
thing
that
we
should
be
concerned
about.
So
basically
in
my
proposed
amendment,
all
I'm
really
looking
for
is
that
we
gather
and
analyze
as
much
useful
information
as
we
can
so
that
several
few
years
from
now.
If
and
when
we
have
to
make
another
decision,
we
have
better
data
on
that.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
AH
AH
Our
commitment
is
that,
basically,
whatever
data
that
is
available,
that
will
help
Council
to
make
an
informed
decision
will
be
part
of
that
package.
So
we're
not
going
to
just
limit
ourselves
to
what
council
has
identified
as
Bishop
we're
going
to
also
supplement
that
with
any
other
data
that
may
be
helpful
to
the
decision-making
process.
Okay,.
AH
AC
So
through
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
experience
that
we've
seen
through
our
Municipal
scan
and
through
some
of
the
industry
best
practices.
We
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
Behavior
change
and
and
coupled
with
that,
that
education,
as
well
as
enforcement,
so
we
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
a
reduction
in
in
setups.
M
Okay,
that's
very
important,
because
right
now,
residents
can
put
up
to
six
items
which
is
not
even
enforced.
I
have
the
emails.
I've
got
talk
about
students
living
in
house
every
weekend,
there's
16
bags,
people
who
are
Renovators
Industrial
Waste
by
the
poodles
on
the
curb,
but
I,
don't
subscribe
or
I,
don't
buy
into
the
fact
that
if
the
cap
is
going
from,
six
to
three
people
are
also
going
to
sense.
M
A
fantastic
I
normally
put
out
2.1
bags
a
week,
and
now
I
can
go
up
to
three
and
now
all
of
a
sudden
we're
going
to
start
generating
more
garbage.
I,
don't
see
that
happening
so
I
wanted
to
raise
that.
The
other
thing
is
to
the
mayor's
question:
the
three
components
that
we
would
like
to
see
studied
waste
set
out
rates,
the
total
per
capita
of
reduced
waste
going
to
the
landfill
and
illegal
dumping.
The
first
two
waste
set
out
rates
and
total
per
capita
of
reduced
waste
going
in
the
landfill.
AC
So
through
you,
Mr,
Mayor
I
think
councilor,
the
the
first
piece
in
terms
of
the
set
out
study,
that's
where
the
intent
would
be
that
following
policy
implementation
or
a
year
after
we
would
update
that
study.
So,
essentially,
that's
that's
going
out
and
it's
it's
taking
account
of
how
many
bags
of
garbage
the
set
out
your
green
bin,
as
well
as
the
leaving
yard
waste,
as
well
as
blue
and
black
bin
in
terms
of
the
the
per
capita.
AC
So
we
do
have
annual
reporting
on
our
tonnages,
but
we
also
have
our
population
data
so
that
that
allows
us
to
take
a
look
at
that
per
capita.
And
then,
of
course,
we
also
do
have
our
updated
waste
audit
studies
which
look
at
the
actual
characterization
of
the
waste.
So
what
is
physically
in
the
garbage
bag
that
can
be,
or
should
be
either
diverted
through
the
green
bin,
as
well
as
through
the
blue
and
black
pen?
Okay,.
M
S
Mr
Mayor,
just
my
general
comment
on
things
like
this,
so
I
understand
staff
are
saying:
well,
we
would
be
doing
this
anyways
right.
So
really,
there's
no
need
for
this
motion,
but
there's
never
a
costing
for
these
things.
You
know
these
motions
just
come
out
and
they
say.
Oh
also,
can
you
do
this
that
and
the
other,
and
nobody
really
knows
what
that
costs
in
terms
of
hard
dollars?
They're
saying:
oh
well,
we
already
do
it
well
really,
because
when
counselor
Hubley
was
commenting
on
what
does
it
mean
to
put
a
sticker
on
to
say?
S
Oh
sorry,
you
know
oops
you
put
out
too
much
garbage,
that's
a
Time
component
of
how
much
more
time
it
takes
for
people
to
pick
up
the
garbage
and
put
a
sticker
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
and
then
that
translates
into
money
and
we
never
get
costings
for
these
things.
These
motions
just
come
out.
Oh
I
think
this
is
good
and
it
looks
good
and
it
sounds
good,
but
there's
never
actually
dollars
attached.
S
I
feel
like
we
should
have
some
kind
of
minimum
understanding,
Among
Us,
that
if
you're
going
to
come
up
with
something
at
last
minute,
you
should
have
a
general
understanding
of
it's
going
to
cost
and
I
heard
what
staff
said
that
they're
going
to
do
this
anyways
I'm
just
saying
in
general,
I'm
going
to
have
to
believe
that
yeah
we're
doing
this
anyways.
This
will
come
at
zero
extra
cost.
AH
AA
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
and
I
I
do
appreciate
the
collaborative
collaboration
across
the
way,
but
I
would
say
that,
as
we've
heard
from
staff
and
there's
really
no
need
for
this
Motion
in
terms
of
the
additional
reporting
piece,
that's
going
to
be
covered,
staff
are
going
to
be
doing
this
work
so
I'm,
not
supportive,
but
the
other
piece
to
this
year
about
Expediting
the
implementation
line.
I
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
do
that.
We
need
to
communicate
the
timeline
in
the
motion
before
us.
AA
Z
AA
Longer
there
I
apologize,
I,
guess
I'm
reading
an
old
copy,
so
colleagues
I
guess
my
comments.
Stanza
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
approve
this
motion
staff
for
already
doing
the
work
that
is
being
requested
here
and
I
think
we
should
vote
this
down
and
move
on
to
the
motion
before
us.
Thank
you
thanks
mayor.
Thank.
Y
Very
much
mayor
just
a
couple
questions
to
staff
on
this.
So
on
the
original
brown
car
motion,
it
speaks
to
implementation
as
quickly
I
guess
as
quickly
as
possible
prior
to
Q2
2024.
So,
just
in
terms
of
your
own
ability
to
implement
the
program
I
take
it
you'll
come
back
to
council
as
soon
as
you're
ready,
which
could
be
much
earlier
that
could
be
q1
could
be
Q4
into
this
year.
You'll
come
back
when
you're
ready.
Can
you
just
confirm
if
that's
the
case.
AC
Through
you,
Mr
Mayor,
that's
correct
counselor,
so
our
original
plan
was
to
report
back
to
council
q1,
given
depending
on
the
outcome
of
today's
discussion
and
council's
decision,
we
may
be
able
to
advance
that
to
the
end
of
Q4,
however,
recognizing
that
two
pieces
that
we
will
still
want
to
preserve
and
ensure
that
robust
lead
up
to
the
communications
and
education
campaign,
but
also
there
are
some
budget
implications
that
will
require
budget
requests
through
the
2024
budget
process.
Perfect.
Y
That
does
helpful
information
on
the
counselor
Divine
motion.
I
think
it's
speaking
to
the
issues
that
were
raised
around
the
table
when
the
initial
proposal
was
put
in
place
right,
so
the
counselors
asking
for
an
update
on
and
I
guess,
focusing
the
Council
on
illegal
dumping
on
the
total
cap
per
capita
of
reduced
waste
going
to
landfill
and
the
waste
setup
rate.
So
I
know
staff
will
look
at
these,
but
to
put
a
particular
point
on
it,
I
think
counselors
have
been
doing
that
in
the
media.
Y
AK
So
this
is
the
question
staff,
then.
So,
if
we
vote
no
on
this
motion,
it's
going
to
happen
and
if
we
vote
Yes
on
this
motion,
it's
going
to
happen
correct
correct.
So
if
we
vote
no,
it's
going
to
happen
and
if
we
vote
Yes,
it's
going
to
happen
so
I
can
I.
Ask
that
the
Mover
we
draw
the
motion
so
that
we
can
just
vote
on
it
because
it's
going
to
happen
anyway.
The
thing
that
you're
asking
today
is
is
going
to
happen
whether
we
vote
Yes
or
no.
Z
Z
I
mean
just
so,
you
know:
I
I
had
this
dialogue
with
staff.
This
was
this
motion
has
been
the
result
of
several
conversations
with
staff
where
they
wanted
to
ensure
that
this
information
is
being
recorded,
but
so
so
question
to
staff.
This
in,
why
beg
your
partner?
I
beg
your
pardon,
sorry,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm.
Sorry,
thanks.
AK
A
P
Z
B
A
B
E
A
L
L
Therefore,
be
it
resolve
that
the
implementation
plan
incorporate
an
education
plan
for
residents
that
includes
a
identifying
barriers
and
challenges
under
our
current
system
and
Target.
The
communication
plan
to
address
these
concerns
and
encourage
positive
participation
in
the
new
curbside
waste
diversion
program
be
developing
a
response
plan
for
illegal
dumping,
specifically
around
high-rise
buildings,
low-income
neighborhoods
and
areas
that
are
known
for
large
garbage
items
to
be
placed
on
curbs
and
next
to
buildings.
S
E
AM
S
AM
I,
don't
think
it
pre-approves
it
sorry,
Mr,
Mayor
I,
don't
think
it
proves
it
the
way.
I
quickly
read
it
right
here
having
just
seen
this,
but
again
it
will
be
part
of
our
normal
budget
process,
where
we
bring
forward
all
the
components
of
a
budget
and
obviously,
if
this
is
a
priority,
we'll
be
included.
A
A
D
E
A
M
Mayor,
thank
you,
colleagues
fairly
straightforward
motion.
This
is
about
organic
waistband
that
the
province
is
mulling
of
all
of
our
diversion
streams.
We
continue
to
struggle
with
our
organic
green
bin
program
and
by
no
means
is
organic
collection
offered
across
our
Province
by
every
municipality
or
region.
M
So
briefly,
I'll
just
read
it
into
the
record,
whereas
the
provincial
government
has
previously
indicated
their
intent
to
ban
organic
waste
from
landfills
across
Ontario
by
2030,
whereas
diverting
as
much
waste
as
possible
that
can
be
recycled
or
converted
into
compost
must
be
maximized
in
Ottawa
and
across
Ontario,
whereas
City
staff
who
participate
on
the
regional
Public
Works
commissioners
of
Ontario,
Solid
Waste
working
group,
as
well
as
by
providing
input
to
Amo
support
this
direction,
whereas
advancing
the
date
to
prohibit
organic
waste
from
landfills
would
divert
more
way
sooner
and
prolong.
The
life
of
landfills.
M
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
Ottawa
city
council
endorse
the
intention
of
the
province
to
ban
organic
waste
from
landfills
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
mayor
write
a
letter
to
the
it
should
say
the
minister
of
environment
conservation
and
parks
in
support
and
requesting
that
the
date
of
2030
be
Advanced
mayor.
Just
briefly
we're
the
second
largest
city
in
the
province
of
Ontario
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
counsel
to
say
that
we
endorse
the
direction
that
the
province
is
headed.
M
However,
a
seven
year
timeline
for
me
is
is
problematic
and
simply,
if
we're
going
to
write
to
the
minister
and
indicate
our
support
for
the
direction
the
province
is
headed,
that
we
would
prefer
to
do
this
before
the
2030
timeline.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
second
or
the
motion
councilman
our
chair
of
the
environment,
climate
change
committee,
for
his
support
as
well.
Thank
you.
U
Oh
yeah,
thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I,
just
my
initial
response
to
this
would
be.
You
know
this
is
a
piece
of
the
solid
waste
master
plan
that
speaks
to
organic
waste
diversion
it
speaks
to
the
provincial
policies,
but
I
would
suggest
that
perhaps
this
is
a
discussion
that
would
be
best
held
in
the
fall
once
we
do
look
at
the
broader
Solid,
Waste
master
plan
and
how
this
would
fit
into
that
broader
piece.
So
my
my
initial
response
would
be
to
defer
this
to
environment
committee.
M
With
that
no
I
I'm,
it's
not
considered
friendly
I-
think
it's
important,
given
the
discussion
today
about
maximizing
diversion
rates
that
we
send
a
signal
to
the
province
and
I
prefer
that
Council
vote
on
this
matter
today.
If
my
colleague
wants
to
put
his
deferral
motion
on
the
table,
then
we
have
to
deal
with
it,
but
my
preference
would
be
to
act
now.
Instead
of
discuss
later.
D
U
A
Seconded
by
counselor,
Brown
I'll,
just
briefly
Express,
you
know
that
I
don't
disagree
with
the
principles
behind
this,
but
again,
as
you
know,
I'm
not
a
fan
of
motions
that
involve.
Writing
me
writing
letters
to
provincial
provincial
government,
so
I'll
say
that
every
time
emotion
like
this
comes
up.
Okay.
So
let's
let's
vote
then
on
that
referral
motion.
Please.
B
D
AL
V
AN
B
AD
A
D
A
Y
Yes,
thanks
mayor
worked
with
staff
on
this
direction,
which
they've
accepted,
and
it's
that
staff
review
and
report
back
to
committee
and
Council.
This
would
happen
in
2027.
on
diversion
options,
including
the
possibility
of
introducing
clear
plastic
bags
and
an
organic
span.
If
the
council
approved
curbside
diversion
policy
change,
falls
short
of
meeting
provincial
policy
targets
as
part
of
the
proposed
full
program
review
in
2027,
in
which
staff
will
present
counsel
with
potential
amendments
and
or
further
recommendations
to
enhance
curbside
waste
diversion.
A
F
In
fact,
I
I
wanted
us
to
make
that
decision
today
so
be
it
I
know.
There's
parts
of
this
that
that
I
plus
clear
bags
is
not
something
I'm
going
to
support,
but
generally
I'm,
going
to
support
the
direction
that
we
look
at
at
other
diversion
options.
I
think
that's
really
important
and
I.
Don't
necessarily
think
that
asking
staff
to
look
into
this
now
is
counter
to
my
argument
that
we
should
be
discussing
these
things
within
the
solid
waste
master
plan.
T
AC
Y
So
so
staff
have
already
done
a
lot
of
work
on
different
diversion
options.
Obviously
this
was
one
of
them
that
they
worked
on.
The
point
here
is
the
2027
report.
Back
timeline
is
in
the
current
schedule
for
staff
to
come
back
with
a
full
review.
I
see
no
reason
why
that
information
not
be
I
mean
maybe
presented
earlier
in
that
they
might
present
the
information.
The
decision
Point
has
been
scheduled
for
2027,
so
my
understanding
is,
like
staff
have
done
this.
They
have
a
lot
of
that
already
sorry.
AA
A
G
AC
Through
Mr
Mayor
cancer,
you're
correct
so
through
the
solid
waste
master
plan
or
the
draft
Solid
Waste
master
plan
that
are
intent
is
to
be
bringing
that
forward
for
council's
consideration.
This
fall.
There
will
be
a
number
of
other
diversion
options
considered
as
part
of
what
councilor
Menard
was
mentioning.
Is
its
staff's
intent
to
allow
the
program
changes
to
be
implemented?
Allow
some
time
for
change
for
residents
to
adapt
to
those
changes,
allow
for
the
introduction
of
or
the
full
transition
to
produce
a
responsibility
in
2026
allowed.
AC
The
introduction
of
the
next
collection
contract,
which
will
also
be
introduced
in
2026,
so
to
come
back
after
that
point,
providing
counsel
with
an
update
in
terms
of
how
the
program
or
the
policy
changes
are
performing
in
comparison
to
to
what
we
hope
to
achieve,
and
as
part
of
that
in
doing
our
due
diligence,
it
would
also
be
presenting
a
number
of
different
options
for
council's
consideration
to
further
increase
or
enhance
program
Effectiveness.
If
we're
finding
we're
not
quite
achieving
the
goals.
S
Mr
Mayor,
with
all
due
respect,
the
wording
of
this
direction
is
simply
that
staff
come
back
with
options.
I
could
go
on
chat,
gbt
and
in
one
millisecond
come
up
with
all
the
other
options.
There
are
in
the
world
that
you
can
use,
which
it
would
include
tags
all
of
the
things
that
we've
possibly
talked
about,
that
we've
not
gone
with
right
now,
we've
gone
with
what
we're
going
with
this
is,
in
fact
a
type
of
threat
to
people,
and,
if
you
don't
divert
now,
then
we
may
come
up
with.
S
Who
knows
what
I
don't
think
this
is
appropriate
for
right
now
and
I
also
I
mean
yes,
I
could
go
on
to
chat,
gbt
and
come
up
with
something
in
one.
Second,
give
you
a
long
list
of
all
the
options
there
are
used
in
the
world,
but
staff
are
planning
on
doing
something
quite
more
than
that
and
from
what
I'm
listening
to
right
now
that
this
would
be
more
options
and
the
entire
thing
that
we've
just
been
gone
going
through
for
the
past
few
years
to
say
what
else
are
we
going
to
do
next?
S
I,
don't
think,
that's
something!
We
should
be
deciding
right
now,
I
mean
it
may
be
something
we
talk
about
in
the
solid
waste
master
plan
when
we
get
to
that
at
environment
committee,
but
I
don't
think
right
now.
This
is
a
good
message
to
be
sending
to
the
community
that
we're
already
looking
at
a
possible
threat.
I
say
we
just
defeat
this
right
now,
refer
it
again
to
to
environment
committee,
something
other
than
having
this
go
forward
and
fail
or
pass
when
we
don't
again
know
what
the
cost
of
this
really
is.
S
Is
one
thing
for
staff
to
say:
oh
yeah,
we
can
do
this,
but
again
there's
no
cost.
We
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
or
what
that
means.
This
looks
like
an
entirely
new
review
of
different
options
that
may
be
palatable
may
not
be
palatable.
What
what
does
this
really
mean
other
than
a
list
of
options
that
I
could
get
you
in
about
one?
Second,.
H
To
the
best
of
my
recollection,
we
just
approved
a
plan.
We
just
approved
a
diversion
plan
and
we
have
yet
to
even
start
it
or
commence
upon
it.
So
you
know
once
again,
we've
heard
from
staff
that
they're
going
to
be
coming
back
with
all
sorts
of
information
and
details.
My
question
to
staff
is
a
new
term
of
counsel
would
be
able
to
revisit
this.
Would
they
not?
It
starts
fresh.
You
can
revisit
this
item
or
any
other
item
at
that
juncture.
H
So
this
is
not
necessary
and,
to
be
honest,
I
think
as
counselor.
So
elegantly
put
it.
You
know,
we've
we're
pretty
much
calling
a
funeral
in
advance
of
even
launching
the
program
that
we've
just
endorsed.
So
I
am
going
to
move
that
we
put
the
question
on
the
floor.
I
don't
know
Kayla
is
that
correct
term
to
use
to
Now
call
for
the
vote,
because
that's
what
I
would
like
to
do.
E
H
E
E
A
A
Y
Yeah
thanks
mayor
I
mean
look
at
this
is
pretty
simple:
staff
are
coming
back
in
2027
anyway
for
a
full
program
review.
That's
part
of
the
the
entire
plan
that
they've
put
in
place.
Let's
hope
to
goodness
the
thing
that
we
just
put
in
place
works
really
really
well.
Let's
hope
it
does
I
more
than
anybody
wanted
to
work,
because
our
diversion
dates
rates
need
to
improve.
So
we
save
ourselves
money
and
we
reduce
the
amount
of
things
that
we're
sending
to
landfill
that
shouldn't
be
there.
Y
All
this
is
doing
is
ensuring
that
those
diversion
options
that
we've
discussed
in
the
past
we'll
come
back
for
that
fulsome
discussion
in
2027..
That
Council
can
choose
to
do
something
different
if
they
like,
but
the
diversion
options
that
staff
have
put
forward
of
all
of
them.
That
are
there
there's
important
pieces
that
we
didn't
fully
consider
today
and
I
think
we
we'd,
rather
than
sticking
our
heads
in
the
sand.
Y
Rather
than
sticking
our
heads
in
the
sand
and
not
having
that
data
in
front
of
us,
we
have
all
options,
which
is
what
this
direction
to
staff
talks
about,
is
all
those
diversion
options
there
in
front
of
us
again,
which
is
coming
back
anyway,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we?
Obviously
this
is
a
staff
Direction.
Let's
support
our
staff.
Basically,
they
supported
this
staff
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
already.
Let's
support
them
in
the
work
that
they've
done
and
the
work
they're
about
to
do.
AA
A
Y
Yes
thanks.
Thank
you
very,
very
much
Mr
Mayor.
This
has
to
do
with
the
counselor
sponsors
group's
appointments.
So
thank
you
to
the
all
the
counselors
that
had
put
their
names
forward.
We
had
met
and
discussed
this
with
regard
to
people
that
are
not
on
the
committee
now.
That
may
benefit
from
these
briefings
as
a
lot
of
people
on
committee.
Get
those
briefings,
and
so
that
therefore
be
it
resolved.
Y
Was
that
Council
appoint
the
following
members
of
council
to
the
solid
waste
planning,
counselor
sponsors
group,
in
addition
to
the
chair
and
vice
chair
of
the
environment
committee
and
climate
change
and
representative
of
the
mayor's
office,
Counselor
Clark,
Kelly,
counselor,
Glenn,
Gower
and
counselor
Lane
Johnson
just
want
to
thank
everyone
else
that
their
name
for
it
as
well.
I
know,
we've
had
good
discussions
about
about
that
and
there's
a
lot
of
passion
out
there
about
this
issue.
So
thanks
mayor.
AI
Hi
yeah
I
just
have
a
comment
on
the
council:
the
composition
of
the
council
sponsors
working
group.
When
the
motion
the
original
motion
was
passed,
I've
been
actually
back
it
up
because
everything
in
in
the
terms
of
reference,
it
basically
said
that
there
would
be
a
representative
Urban
counselor,
a
Suburban
counselor
and
a
rural
counselor
and
I'd
just
like
to
note
that
the
three
Representatives
now
we
don't
actually
have
an
urban
councilor
representative
I'm.
A
All
right,
let's
move
to
item
what
sorry
yeah,
sorry
where
it's
we're
carrying
the
item
as
amended.
Oh
just
to
be
clear,
all
right
carried:
yes:
okay:
let's
move
to
item
19.6
on
the
agenda;
The
Borrowed,
Market,
strategic
alignment,
initiative
and
public
realm
Plan
update.
There
are
a
couple
of
motions
here:
first,
a
technical
Amendment
motion
from
counselor
kits
counselor
kits
if
you're
ready.
AJ
Ottawa
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
recommendation
5
be
revised
in
accordance
with
the
following
direct
staff
to
explore,
in
collaboration
with
the
municipal
Services
Corporation
board,
a
special
area
Levy
to
support
the
Mandate
of
the
byward
Market
District
Authority,
including
the
process
by
which
the
support
for
the
special
area
Levy
can
be
assessed.
So
this
just
gives
staff
more
flexibility
and
they
are
available
to
speak
to
it.
If
there
are
any
questions.
A
AD
You
Mr
Mayor
and
my
second
year
counselor,
Hoobly
and
I.
After
speaking
with
a
consular
concierge
plant,
I
felt
it
was
very
important
to
have
specifically
her
voice
on
this
and
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor's
office
for
working
together
again
collaboratively
to
make
sure
we
got
to
a
good
point.
So
it's
the
world's
longest
motion
so
be
prepared.
AD
Whereas
the
council
is
the
sole
member
of
the
MSC,
whereas
the
board
will
be
comprised
of
12
members,
including
11
voting
members
and
one
non-voting
member,
whereas
the
12th
member
of
the
board
to
include
two
Permanent
General
ex-official
members,
city
of
Ottawa,
mayor
or
mayor
designated
voting
and
the
general
manager
of
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
and
their
designate
non-voting.
Whereas
the
initial
board
will
be
comprised
of
two
ex-official
members.
AD
The
past
chair
of
the
municipal
Services
Corporation,
the
inaugural
chair
of
the
business
advisory
committee
and
three
additional
members
at
large
selected
by
the
transitional
working
group,
approved
by
Council,
wears
the
additional
three
to
five
members
at
large
will
be
selected
by
the
new
board
at
a
public
nominating
process
approved
by
Council.
Whereas
the
board
transition
priorities
will
include
the
finalize
news,
services
and
asset
management
agreement
with
the
city,
recruiting
additional
board
members
establishing
an
executive
committee
structure,
developing
a
new
strategic
plan
and
taking
steps
to
evaluate
and
Implement
new
organizational
structures
and
operating
policies.
AD
It
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
board
of
governance
structures
allow
for
the
appointment
of
a
counselor
Observer
to
the
board
of
governance
structures,
be
a
further
resolved
that
the
council
Observer
on
the
MSC
board,
shall
a
be
a
city
councilor
from
either
Ward
12,
Rito,
Vanier
or
Ward
15
kuchu,
City
and
B
serve
a
term
of
one
year,
alternating
annually
and
C
be
able
to
attend
all
meetings
of
the
board
of
directors
and
relevant
subcommittees
as
a
as
an
ex-official
non-voting
observer.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
H
Our
community
housing
Corporation
entitled
OCH
annual
report,
an
annual
general
meeting
of
the
shareholder
Agricultural
and
Rural
Affairs
committee
report
for
the
joint
planning
and
housing
committee
and
the
agricultural
rural
Affairs
committee
report.
One
audit
committee
report,
2
The
Joint
audit
committee
and
Transit
Commission
report.
One
build
Heritage
committee
report,
6
Community,
Services
committee
report,
3A
environment
and
climate
change
committee
report,
4
planning
and
housing
committee
report
10,
and
the
report
from
the
city
clerk
entitled
summary
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
the
item.
M
M
The
ambassador
of
Ukraine,
who
made
this
request
through
you,
Mr
Mayor
I,
think
that
we
have
an
obligation
to
consider
frankly,
the
most
needy
in
our
society
and
the
people
of
Ukraine,
as
we
know
with
the
illegal
war
and
occupation,
certainly
need
as
much
medical
assistance
in
particular,
and
this
ambulance
is
I
think
the
least
that
we
can
do
so.
We
do
have
a
process
to
follow
with
respect
to
disposal
of
certain
assets.
M
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Brockington,
and
thank
you
for
your
cooperation
on
this.
Is
the
motion
carried
okay
motions,
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
of
procedure,
I
believe
we
have
three
of
those
and
they
are
all
of
a
time-sensitive
nature,
which
is
why
the
rules
and
procedure
need
to
be
suspended.
So
first
is
a
motion
from
counselor
troster
on
Rochester
Heights
at
818.
Gladstone
on
suspension
of
the
rules
is
that
carried
councilor
troster.
V
Given
the
proposed
change
in
ochs
plans,
but
an
exemption
from
the
Parkland
dedication
byla
is
required
to
do
so.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved.
The
notwithstanding
section.
14
paragraph
one
of
the
Parkland
dedication
Bila
2022-280,
the
following
shall
apply
500
and
square
80
square
meters
of
Parkland
contiguous
to
the
existing
Piazza.
V
It's
just
that
OCH
originally
envisioned
they
might
develop
some
of
that
land
as
a
for-profit
housing
to,
but
it's
all
going
to
be
non-profit
housing
and
they're,
dedicating
a
smaller
amount
of
Parkland,
but
it's
actually
being
combined
with
an
existing
Park.
So
there'll
be
plenty
of
green
in
that
area,
and
thank
you
very
much
all.
A
AG
You
very
much
colleagues,
as
you
know,
the
month
of
June
is
indigenous
history
month
a
month
to
celebrate
the
Legacy
and
current
contributions
of
these
communities
to
learn
and
to
act
in
support
of
indigenous
communities.
So,
as
the
council
appointed
liaison
for
the
anishnabi
Algonquin
Nation
Civic
cultural
protocol
and
implementation
plan,
I
am
pleased
to
put
forward
a
small
gesture
with
a
large
impact
in
support
of
a
local
indigenous
Community
event
that
celebrates
indigenous
history
month
and
Indigenous
people's
day,
as
well
as
the
summer
solstice,
which
is
celebrated
by
indigenous
peoples.
AG
The
summer
solstice
indigenous
Festival,
organized
by
indigenous
experience
at
madilla.
K
farm
is
an
important
event
that
brings
together
indigenous
and
non-indigenous
people
together
in
celebration.
Every
year,
City
staff,
including
our
general
manager
Clara,
will
attend
the
event
both
as
participants
to
and
to
host
booths
with
City
information.
This
year
the
festival
is
seeking
the
city's
support
to
allow
event
participants
to
park
at
100,
Constellation
Drive
and
be
shuttled
to
madoa
Cave
Farm
on
sub
Road.
City
staff
have
received
appropriate
permissions
for
this
to
occur.
AG
However,
traffic
and
parking
bylaw
2017-301
prohibits
parking
at
city
facilities
unless
using
the
facility
for
its
intended
purpose.
So
the
motion
I'm
putting
forward
today,
is
to
suspend
this
bylaw
for
the
weekend
of
June
24th
and
25th
2023,
to
enable
the
summer
solstice
Festival
to
allow
participants
to
park
at
100
constellation
and
to
be
shuttled
to
and
from
the
event,
and
this
motion
is
seconded
by
councilor
Johnston,
where
both
the
farm
and
the
and
100
constellation
is
in
college
Ward.
AG
So
I'll
just
read,
therefore,
be
it
resolved,
as
my
comments
pretty
much
summarized
the
whereas
Clause
so
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
city
council
waived
traffic
and
parking
bylaw
2017-301
to
allow
parking
at
100,
Constellation
Drive
for
the
summer
solstice
indigenous
Festival,
on
June
24th
and
June
25th
2023
in
recognition
of
national
indigenous
people's
day
and
Indigenous
history
month.
Thank
you.
N
Have
to
vote
on
them.
I'll
just
read
the
last
two
parts,
whereas
ochc
intends
to
proceed
with
the
Redevelopment
of
the
property
in
the
near
future,
therefore
be
resolved
that,
given
the
unique
circumstances,
Council
wave
demolition
control
approval
and
allow
ochc
to
proceed
directly
to
demolition
of
214,
Somerset
Street
East,
making
the
site
safe
for
the
public
and
thank
you
again
to
councilor
King
for
seconding.
J
Thank
you
mayor
and
I.
Thank
my
second
year,
the
chair
of
the
transportation
committee,
councilor
Tierney,
whereas
Nesbitt
street
is
a
public
right-of-way
that
provides
access
to
the
Ottawa
River
and
whereas
the
owners
of
two
Nesbit
have
been
in
discussions
with
City
staff
for
an
extended
period
of
time,
with
respect
to
a
rock
wall
and
other
Landscaping
features
within
the
public
right-of-way,
certain
of
which
features
have
been
present
in
the
right-of-way
for
approximately
20
years.
J
Y
Whereas
revisions
to
the
plan
based
on
public
consultation,
feedback
received
to
date
should
be
incorporated,
therefore
be
resolved
at
an
interim
update,
be
provided
to
the
public
with
regard
to
the
Lansdowne
2.0
consultations
to
date,
that
would
include
any
proposed
staff
changes
to
the
original
Lansdowne
2.0
plan
and
communicated
well
in
advance
of
the
staff
report
that
will
rise
to
finance
and
Corporate
Services
committee
via
further
resolved
that
the
forthcoming
Lansdowne
2.0
reports
and
applications
detail
how
public
input
received
a
date
was
or
was
not
Incorporated
through
revisions
to
the
proposal.
So.
H
Placing
the
bus
stops
directly
in
front
of
the
station
at
the
top
of
the
bridge,
whereas
the
proposed
design
includes
both
a
Northbound
and
southbound
pickup
drop-off
Bay.
Just
off
the
bridge,
only
50
meters
from
The
Bridge
Center,
where
the
surrounding
land
is
wider,
allowing
for
Less
congested
infrastructure,
whereas
both
Herdman
and
Blair
stations
have
bus
stops
located
at
over
100
meters
from
the
station
doors,
whereas
preparing
layout
designs.
H
Making
use
of
Bays
for
bus
stops
would
require
council's
authorization,
whereas
the
proposed
designs,
bus,
stop
locations
require
passengers
to
get
on
and
off
buses
directly
into
and
from
unidirectional
cycling,
Lanes
on
both
the
east
and
west
side
of
the
bridge.
Whereas
previous
designs
utilized
a
bi-directional
mop
layout,
combining
and
eliminating
four
of
The
Pedestrian
conflict
zones
found
in
the
current
design,
whereas
the
existing
design
plans
do
not
take
into
any
account
for
the
seasonal
Christmas
attraction
that
is
taffy
Lane
a
40
plus
year
old
free
event.
H
Closure
originally
scheduled
for
December
5th
2022
were
required
to
postpone
to
January
2023
due
to
concerns
about
the
traffic
resulting
from
the
Taffy
Lane
Christmas
lights
attraction.
Whereas
the
community
of
convent,
Glen
Orleans
wood
with
a
population
of
over
15
000
people
is
bounded
by
the
Ottawa
River
to
the
north,
the
Greenbelt
to
the
west
and
the
Highway
174
to
the
South.
H
Whereas
the
proposed
design
sees
the
existing
four
lanes
of
vehicular
traffic
being
reduced
to
two
lanes
with
the
requirement
for
vehicular
traffic
to
cue
behind
OC
Transfer
buses
on
the
bridge
during
all
station
discs
and
embarkments,
whereas
Oz
transpo
intends
for
buses
to
run
at
eight
minute
intervals,
anticipating
30
plus
passengers
per
bus
disembarkment,
which
will
block
all
vehicular
and
cycling
traffic,
including
emergency
vehicles,
for
multiple
minutes.
Every
interval.
H
As
a
result
of
the
recently
approved
Orleans
Corridor
secondary
plan,
therefore,
it
be
resolved
that
staff
take
into
consideration
the
feedback
and
considerate
concerns
from
the
community
regarding
the
current
design
and
return
with
designs
that
include
the
following
elements:
reduce
we've
seen
the
number
of
pedestrian
conflict
zones
retaining
at
least
two
free-flowing
lanes
of
traffic
resulting
in
vehicles,
including
emergency
vehicles,
not
having
to
queue
behind
buses,
fully.
Consider
the
option
of
the
pickup
drop-off
areas
for
use
as
possible.
Bus
stops
at
the
convent,
Glen
or
LRT
station
to
address
infrastructure
crowding.
H
Consider
options
such
as
including
cycling,
infrastructure,
by
way
of
a
multi-use
path
include
in
the
design
allowances
that
would
support
the
exponential
vehicular
volume
increases
that
occur
during
the
winter,
from
the
Taffy
Lane
Christmas
lights
attraction
and
be
a
further
resolved
that,
in
the
event,
staff
cannot
address.
These
concerns
the
bridge
layout
be
left
in
its
current
state
as
much
as
possible,
with
only
the
necessary
pedestrian
cycling
and
bus
stop
areas
until
an
improved.
A
Next
time
you
all
know
five
minutes
and
three
seconds:
okay,
yeah.
Sorry!
Laura!
Could
you
repeat
that
please
I'm
just
kidding?
Okay,
thank
you!
Counselor
dudas
item
29
notice
of
intent,
just
noting
the
intent
from
Hydro
Ottawa
holding
Incorporated
to
hold
their
annual
general
meeting
of
the
shareholder
at
our
council
meeting
on
June
28th
and
the
notice
of
intent
from
Ottawa
markets,
Municipal
Services
Corporation
to
hold
its
annual
meeting
of
the
member
during
our
council
meeting
on
June
28th
motion
to
introduce
bylaws
once
again,
councilor
dudas
wait
a
second
I.
A
AB
AB
C
C
N
C
C
I
think
the
situation
is
evolving
for
right
now,
but
I
understand
that
there
are
some
news
concerning
some
incident
in
the
byword
market.
It's
worrying
so
I
do
believe
that
we
need
agents
in
the
byword
market.
This
will
be
positive
for
the
resident,
the
business
people
for
tourism,
for
everyone
going
to
the
byword
market,
so
I
do
believe
this
will
be
an
improvement
for
the
residents.
C
AA
A
Less
crime
is
that
what
well
I
think
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
establish
is
that
we're
trying
to
build
trust
and
confidence
going
forward
and
and
I
think
by
and
large
things
have
been
getting
better
in
the
byword
market.
Notwithstanding
some
of
the
recent
events
of
violence,
I've
heard
from
a
number
of
business
owners
who
are
feeling
optimistic,
they
feel
like
more
people,
are
coming
to
the
byword
market.
They
feel
good
about
that.
A
They're
still
concerned
about
about
safety
for
their
employees
and
their
customers,
and
obviously
the
residents
and
and
tourists
who
are
visiting
as
well.
So
in
order
to
build
that
confidence,
I
think
having
a
physical
presence
in
the
byword
market
is
helpful
and
there's
a
lot
that
we
need
to
do.
It
doesn't
come
down
to
just
one
thing:
many
many
different
things.
We
need
to
do
to
build
confidence
in
our
our
community,
their
community
resource
officers,
who
are
in
the
byword
market
as
well.
A
D
AO
A
I
didn't
support
any
specific
bid
for
the
Senators.
I
was
happy
to
see
whatever
outcome
there
was
I
met
with
all
of
I.
Think
all
of
the
major
bids
for
the
Senators
and
I'm
delighted
to
see
Michael
landlauer
as
the
successful
candidate
pending
approval
of
the
NHL's
Board
of
Governors
I'm
I,
was
encouraged
by
the
meeting
I
had
with
him
I
think
he's
very
committed
to
building
a
winning
hockey
team
he's
he's
a
big
hockey
fan
he's
a
hockey
person
he's
not
a
he's.
A
I
think
he's
approaching
this
with
with
hockey
in
mind
and
and
real
estate
in
a
new
Arena
if
necessary,
rather
than
putting
those
things
first.
On
his
in
his
mind,
that's
my
impression
from
the
conversations
I've
had
he's
got
he's
got
a
great
reputation,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
him
on
building
a
better
future
for
the
Senators
and
for
our.
AO
A
AP
AP
AP
I,
don't
know
if
a
staff
or
if
it
was
but
I,
think
it
was
a
staffer
who
was
saying
that
that
the
average
is
2.1,
but
this
might
increase
because
three
bags
or
three
articles
will
be
allowed.
So
perhaps
that
could
increase
the
average.
Do
they
understand?
That
correctly?
Is
that
what
someone
said
did
they
actually
say
that
was
quite
possible,
but
I?
Don't
think
it's
realistic?
Really
in
my
house
we
typically
have
only
one
bag.
Every
two
weeks.
AP
So
I
don't
think
people
will
be
throwing
out
more
garbage
in
the
following
months,
just
because
you
can
I,
don't
think
that
will
happen.
I
think
that
for
all
Ottawa
residents
for
the
majority
of
Ottawa
residents,
nothing
will
change
really
and
for
residents
who
throw
out
more
garbage.
Well,
this
is
a
new
limit.
AP
D
AP
AP
There
was
a
Divine
proposal
that
cost
so
much
and
I
got
a
bit
mixed
up
in
what
what
cost?
What
well
originally
with
the
stock
proposal,
3.5
million-
that
was
the
estimated
cost,
and
that
was
a
unique
cost
for
the
implementation
of
the
new
measures
with
what
the
council
has
adopted.
We
think
it'll
be
lower
than
3.1
million,
but
we
really
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
calculate
the
actual
cost
and
that
needs
to
be
needs
to
go
through
the
budget
process.
AP
AP
AQ
Question
for
the
mayor
on
garbage
just
given
the
staff
recommendation,
the
Motions
that
are
going
forward
and
the
fact
that
staff
said
today
that
the
three
container
three
item
limit
isn't
going
to
have
the
the
impact
on
producing
the
pressure
on
our
landfill.
As
the
other
motions
and
recommendations.
Do
you
feel
that
the
city
backed
down
from
making
the
the
right
choice
or
the
tough
choice
that
would
have
had
a
better
impact
on
our
landfill.
A
I
think
we
made
a
decision
today.
That
is
a
big
step
forward
from
where
we
are
now,
which
is
really
no
limits
at
all
limits
that
aren't
enforced,
going
forward,
we're
going
to
have
a
limit
of
three
items,
three
containers
of
of
garbage,
which
is
a
lot
less
than
what
it
is
right
now,
I
think
it's
step
one
in
a
process.
I
think
all
options
in
the
future
are
still
on
the
table
and
I
think
this
is
an
important.
A
You
know
one
important
part
of
a
more
comprehensive
plan
that
we
have
to
embark
on
regarding
multi-residential
waste
and
also
what
we're
going
to
do
eventually
to
replace
the
current
landfill
site.
So
I
think
it's
a
I
think
it
is
a
big
step
forward
and
I.
Think
that's
why
you
saw
the
majority
the
vast
majority
of
council
supporting
it.
AQ
A
I
won't
speak
for
Michael
landlauer
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
having
that
conversation
with
him,
you
know,
I've
said
a
lot
of
things.
Every
step
of
the
way
through
this
process.
I
think
that
Canadian
Tire
Center
is
perfectly
fine,
and
if
the
team
chooses
to
continue
playing
there,
that's
certainly
an
option.
A
If
it's,
if
they're
not
going
to
continue
playing
there,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
there
is
an
economic
driver
for
Canada
that
replaces
the
Canadian
Tire
Center,
that
we
do
something
really
exciting
with
that
site
so
that
it's
not
a
loss
for
the
West
End
of
the
city,
in
terms
of
where
the
Senators
might
move
to
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
different
options
and
possibilities.
There
are
a
number
of
different
ideas
that
have
been
floated.
A
So
that's
one
scenario,
but
I
think
it's
a
scenario
worth
considering,
given
that
we
want
to
attract
more
people
to
downtown
Ottawa.
If
the
new
owners
want
to
move
ahead
with
the
the
agreement
they
have
with
the
MCC
regarding
lebreton
Flats,
that's
an
option
too,
and
there
are
other
options
out
there
as
well,
but
I've
been
thinking
more
and
more
about
the
prospect
of
downtown,
because
we
are
trying
to
think
of
ways
to
get
more
people
to
come.
AR
Hi
all
my
question
is
for
the
mayor.
Sorry,
I'm
really
sure.
So
my
question
is
about
garbage
kind
of
reiterating,
but
how
do
you
think
the
proposal
of
the
three
item
limit
will
make
a
difference.
You
know
with
the
current
sorry.
I'll
say
that
again,
the
three
item
limit
is
different
from
what
is
currently
implemented
in
regards
to
its
effect
to
divert
waste
and
because
some
some
people
have
said
like
it's
still
a
lot.
So
how
do
you
think
it's
going
to
affect.
A
Number
one:
it's
a
lot
less,
it's
a
lot
lower
limit
than
what
we
have
now
so
that
what
we
have
now
is
effectively
a
limit
of
of
six
items,
but
it's
not
enforced
and
a
lot
of
things
are
being
picked
up
and
taken
the
landfill.
So
it's
a
giant
step
forward
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
I
think
the
other
important
part
of
this
is
that
this
whole
conversation
has
drawn
people's
attention
to
the
issue
again
and
I
know
it's.
It's
been
partly
debated
in
the
community,
but
I
think
that's
actually
healthy.
A
The
fact
that
people
are
thinking
again
about
the
importance
of
diversion
of
diversion
from
landfill,
so
we're
we're
introducing
we're,
reintroducing
the
topic
to
people,
so
they
realize
that
there
is
a
cost
to
sending
things
to
landfill.
It
doesn't
feel
like
it
when
you,
when
you
put
something
out
at
the
curb
and
it
gets
picked
up
and
it
gets
taken
to
landfill.
It
feels
like
it's
free,
but
it's
not
free.
A
It
costs
taxpayers
money
so
we're
drawing
people's
attention
again
to
the
cost
and
we're
in
we're
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
Education
around
getting
people
to
use,
use
the
green
bin,
the
blue
bin
and
the
black
bin
more
often,
and
about
how
there
are
limits
in
place.
Now
the
limits
will
be
enforced
and
going
forward.
If
the
diversion
is
not
happening
at
the
level
we
need,
we
may
need
to
take
further
steps
to
increase
diversion
absolutely.
AR
AS
A
A
People
who
know
the
city
intimately,
who
have
lots
of
connections
who
care
about
our
community
and
have
Deep
Roots
here
to
have
them
at
the
table
with
Michael
landlauer
I
mean
I,
think
it
just
shows
how
much
he
cares
about
Ottawa
and
is
committed
to
the
marketplace
that
he
would
would
include
them
in
in
this
in
this
ownership
group,
because
I'm
sure
he
didn't
have
to
I,
think
it
I
think
it.
It
increases
the
connections
to
the
marketplace
and
it
enhances
the
opportunity
here.
AS
Great
and
Switching
gears
kind
of
to
a
debate.
That's
coming
up
here
about
paramedics,
I
understand
that
the
city
staff
have
said
that
we
need
to
hire
many
more
paramedics
that
had
been
hired
in
previous
years
and
the
province
is
basically
saying
you
know
we're
going
to
match
dollars,
not
a
city
staff
had
suggested
fully
paid
for
them.
How
is
the
city
going
to
manage
that.
A
There's
two
things
going
on
here
and
I
think
it's
important
to
underline
that
number
one.
We
need
to
hire
more
paramedics,
because
the
city's
growing
and
the
needs
are
growing
so
just
as
we
over
time
hire
more
staff
in
other
areas
and
and
hire
more
resources
because
we
have
a
growing
population,
we
need
more
paramedics.
The
demand
is
growing
as
the
population
grows,
so
that's
one
part
of
it
and
as
always
when,
when
we
hire
more
paramedics,
we
we
split
the
cost
with
the
provincial
government.
A
There's
another
issue
going
on,
though,
which
is
that
our
paramedics
are
not
being
used
as
effectively
and
efficiently
as
they
could
be,
because
they're
spending
a
lot
of
time
in
hospital
waiting
rooms.
That's
not
because
of
anything
the
city
of
Ottawa
is
doing
that's
because
of
backlogs
at
hospitals
and
hospitals
are
a
provincial
jurisdiction.
So
because
of
because
of
wait
times
in
the
Health
Care
System,
we
are
not
able
to
send
our
paramedics
back
out
into
the
community
as
quickly
as
we
would
like.
A
So
we
need
a
solution
to
that
and
we
feel
that
that
solution
should
be
paid
for
by
the
provincial
government
and
they
have
a
program
that
uses
offload
nurses.
There
are
other
programs
that
use
paramedics.
There
might
be
other
ideas,
but
whatever
those
Solutions
are
to
reduce
the
wait
times
in
hospitals,
so
paramedics
can
be
back
out
in
the
community.
I
think
that's
a
cost
that
should
be
borne
by
the
provincial
government.
AS
AT
Hi
everybody
I
think
this
is
a
question
both
for
you,
Elaine
and
the
mayor
I'm
wondering
why
the
garbage
limit
debate
got
broken
out
and
dealt
with
months
ahead
of
the
full
Solid
Waste
master
plan.
I'm.
Just
you
know
you
heard
councilor
luloff
describe
not
knowing
the
destination
you're
heading
toward
and
I'm
just
wondering.
Did
you
sort
of
foresee
that
garbage
debates
in
this
city
just
really
rile
people
up?
You
know
you
wanted
to
deal
with
it.
First.
AH
Yeah,
the
so
there's
a
couple
reasons
why
we
brought
the
current
discussion
ahead
of
the
the
master
plan
itself.
One
is
what
was
presented
to
council
really
is
we've
already
had
two
substantial
reports
as
part
of
phase
one
and
phase
two
of
this,
the
solar
waste
master
plan.
That's
already
been
presented
to
council
and
there's
a
couple
of
drivers
right
now.
AH
One
is
trying
to
drive
diversion
as
soon
as
possible
and
not
necessarily
wait
for
the
final
outcomes,
because
we
know
that
basically
driving
diversion
is
important,
regardless
of
where
we're
going
to
be
going
moving
forward.
The
other
element
is
that
we
have
a
contract
that
we
have
to
renew
in
terms
of
our
collections
contracts
and
there's,
there's
stipulated
timelines
that
we
need
to
adhere
to,
and
unfortunately,
that
does
not
align
with
the
solid
waste
master
plan
right
now.
AH
So
part
of
it
was
to
have
the
discussion
on
the
diversion
options
and
based
on
council's
recommendation,
now
we're
able
to
embed
that
as
part
of
that
contract,
which
is
going
to
be
coming
to
council,
probably
in
September
for
decision,
the
solid
waste
master
plan
will
be
presented,
probably
around
October
or
so,
and
that's
going
to
be
providing
a
suite
of
options.
But
that's
going
to
be
dealing
more
with
okay,
Network
that
we
know
what
waste
we're
dealing
with.
What
are
the
options
in
terms
of
how
we're
dealing
with
that
waste.
AT
Maybe
the
second
question
then,
is
more
for
you,
mayor,
Sutcliffe
I'm,
just
wondering
you
know
it.
We
might
be
facing
the
real
Prospect
of
another
landfill
or
an
incinerator,
or
something
like
that
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
how
you
think
this
city
council
will
be
able
to
deal
with
a
tough
debate
or
decision
on
that
when
on
just
garbage
limits.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
negotiation
that
moved
to
a
less
strong
stance
on
the
issue.
A
I'm,
looking
forward
to
that
conversation,
you
know
we
we
have
to
make
big
tough
decisions
as
a
city,
council
and
someday.
This
Council
will
have
to
make
a
determination
on
what
will
replace
the
current
landfill
when
it
runs
out
in
the
future,
and
that
day
is
coming
sooner
rather
than
later,
because
those
are
big
decisions
that
take
a
long
time
to
implement.
But
I
think
what
you
saw
today,
I
know
not.
Everybody
may
be
happy
with
the
outcome.
A
Maybe
that's
the
sign
of
a
good
compromise
sometimes,
but
what
you
saw
today
was
a
very
healthy
debate
and
discussion
about
a
very
controversial
issue
that
touches
residents
directly
and
about
which
everybody
has
an
opinion,
and
we
reached
a
consensus
at
city
council,
a
22-2
vote
about
a
very
difficult
topic,
so
I'm.
My
my
goal
is
always
to
get
everybody
working
together.
That's
what
I
heard
from
residents
over
and
over
again
during
the
election
campaign
last
year.
They
wanted
to
see
Council
working
together.
A
They
didn't
want
to
see
Council
fighting
with
each
other
and
I
think
that's
a
really
healthy
sign.
There
was
lots
of
debate
and
discussion,
and
then
we
arrived
at
a
conclusion
that
a
vast
consensus
of
council
supported
and
I
think
that
has
to
be
our
goal
with
with
every
decision
we
make
on
on
this
file.
D
AN
There
so
my
question
for
the
is
for
the
mayor.
So
as
I
understand
it
part
of
the
byword
Mark
or
byward
Market
District
Authority's,
new
appointment
responsibilities
is
to
you
know,
have
have
Public
Safety
as
as
a
priority,
so
I'm
wondering
what
the
specific
initiatives
are,
that
the
byword
Market
District
Authority
is
implementing,
and
you
know
what
the
timeline
sorry
would
be
for
them
to
to
be
finished.
With
that.
A
So
I'm
not
going
to
be
prescriptive
about
that
I.
There's
a
there's,
a
new
Authority,
that's
going
to
be
in
place!
There's
a
new
board,
there'll
be
there'll,
be
people
working
on
this
and
I
think
a
plan
will
be
developed
to
to
do
a
whole
bunch
of
things
in
the
byword
market
in
including
that,
so
you
know
there's.
A
A
Well,
I
think
I've
already
spoken
about
a
number
of
things
so
again,
first
and
foremost,
I'm
encouraged
by
what
I
hear
from
business
owners
in
the
byword
market
that
they're
feeling
better
this
year
than
they
did
last
year.
They
feel
like
more
visitors
and
tourists
are
coming
to
the
byword
market
that
there's
more
energy
there.
A
There
have
been,
of
course,
very
concerning
events
that
have
happened
in
the
in
the
market
recently
and
we
want
to
reduce
those
as
much
as
possible
and
and
Public
Safety
has
to
be
Paramount
for
the
visitors
and
for
the
employees
and
for
the
business
owners
in
the
byword
market
and
the
residents
of
course.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
different
possibilities,
I
think
having
community
resource
officers
having
having
police
in
the
market
having
other
programs
in
place.
A
A
I
haven't
so
Michael
landlauer
and
I
have
exchanged
a
few
messages
over
the
last
24
hours
and
I
congratulated
him
and
I
told
him.
I
was
looking
forward
to
working
with
him,
I'm
sure
we'll
meet
in
the
in
the
coming
days
and
weeks.
He's
I'm
sure
he's
got
a
lot
of
on
his
plate
right
now,
because
this
still
has
to
be
approved
by
the
NHL's
Board
of
Governors,
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
conversation
about
how
the
Senators
can
flourish
in
Ottawa.
A
But
again,
the
most
exciting
thing
to
me
is
that
we
just
had
a
bidding
war
for
the
Ottawa
Senators.
You
know
there.
There
were
a
lot
of
very
successful
people
from
all
over
North
America
who
wanted
to
invest
in
our
city
and
see
great
potential
here
and-
and
so
that's
really
encouraging.
It
says
a
lot
about
what
we've
built
in
this
community
and
about
our
future.
Okay,.