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Ottawa City Council and City of Ottawa Media Availability — 2023/08/23
Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2023
Location: Andrew S. Haydon Hall, 110 Laurier Avenue West, and by electronic participation
A
And
I,
just
I
found
out
that
New
Zealand
is
a
nuclear
free
zone
and
I
I
found
it
interesting
too,
as
well.
I
was
in
Victoria
last
month
in
the
hospital,
and
what
happened
is
I
noticed.
There
was
a
lot
of
people
from
the
Ukraine
and
Eastern
Europe,
and
in
finding
out
that
Victoria,
the
city
of
Victoria,
is
a
nuclear-free
Zone.
I
said
I,
wonder
if
that's
also,
if
that
influenced
your
decision
to
also
come
to
Victoria
over
other
cities.
So
it's
all
it's
all
that
questions,
but
also
too
as
well.
A
Why
do
we
need
due
diligence
today
because
we're
dealing
with
also
now
we
have
we're
on
the
tip
of
an
Major,
World
War,
and
what
what's
at
the
Forefront
is
nuclear
threats,
but
yet
we're
talking
about
expanding
nuclear.
Even
with
these
smrs,
the
small
modular
nuclear
reactors,
we're
dealing
with
inflation.
A
How
much
would
remediation
cost
because
of
inflation?
We
have
an
aging
population.
Will
we
have
enough
workers
to
carry
out
remediation
so
and
also
too
as
well?
We
have
declining
fertility
low-level
radiation,
even
impacts,
male
and
female
fertility.
A
Will
they
be?
Will
they
be
supported?
So
again
till
then
we
have
Rising
debt,
the
pandemic
and
climate
change
emergencies,
and
we
just
had
major
forest
fires
is
chalk
River.
Also,
if
you
have
an
uncontrolled
forest
fire,
we
have
earthquakes
here
and
how
and
they
they
assure
us
that
that
it's
totally
safe
but
again
too
as
well.
It's
all
these
questions
and
that's
what
consultation
is
all
about.
I
think
we
need
to
have
everyone
in
the
circle
also
who
brought
up
issues
of
consultation
and
why
we
used
a
dream.
A
Catcher
in
our
method
of
a
assessment
is
that
everything
is
interconnected,
so
I,
say
Miguel
but
I.
Think
too,
as
well,
because
of
the
the
change
in
population
in
the
auto
River
nominee
also
connects
to
Montreal
Canada's
two
also
two
major
urban
areas.
A
B
C
D
B
As
we
begin
our
meeting
today
and
on
behalf
of
Ottawa
city
council
I
wish
to
acknowledge
that
Ottawa
is
built
on
the
on
unseated
anishinaabe
Algonquin
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
Nation,
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continued
to
nurture
this
land,
the
city
of
Ottawa
honors,
the
peoples
and
land
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
nation
and
honors
all
First
Nations,
Inuit
and
metis
peoples
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land.
B
F
G
H
D
B
I
That
the
report
from
planning
and
housing
committee
report
13
and
the
reports
from
the
city
clerk
entitled
status,
update
Council
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
August,
18th,
2023
and
summary
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
items
subject
to
the
planning
act.
Explanation
requirements
at
the
city
council,
meeting
of
July
12
2023,
be
received
and
considered.
B
Is
that
carriage
item
11
is
the
status
update,
Council
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
August
18
2023
from
the
city
clerk's
office
as
that
received
item,
12.1
is
a
motion
regarding
Rock
Cliff,
Park,
Heritage,
Conservation
District
from
the
planning
and
housing
committee
report
is
that
carried
item?
12.2
is
an
official
plan
Amendment
and
Zoning
by
Amendment
for
263,
Rochester,
Street
and
27
Balsam
Street
is
that
carried
item
12.3?
Is
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
1081
Carling
Avenue,
and
there
is
a
motion
to
refer
that
report
back
to
planning
and
housing
committee
councilor
leaper?
H
You
very
much
I
think
members
are
aware
of
the
procedural
issue
associated
with
that
file,
so
I'm
moving
seconded
by
counselor
Gower,
whereas
the
recommendations
contained
in
report
ACS,
p,
r
e
EPS,
we're
recommended
for
approval
by
planning
housing
committee
is
modified
by
a
motion
that
introduced
a
holding
symbol
on
August,
16
2023
and
whereas
the
planning
and
housing
committee
served
as
the
statutory
public
meeting
for
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
concerning
1081
Carlene,
Avenue
and
whereas
proper
notification
of
the
committee
meeting
was
not
carried
out
in
accordance
with
the
planning
act.
B
J
B
Let's,
if
you
don't
mind,
let's,
let's
get
through
the
other
items
first
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
it.
Fair
enough.
I'll.
Note
that,
thank
you
all
right
item
12.4
is
a
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
249
and
255
Richmond,
Road
and
372
tweedsmer
Avenue.
Is
that
carried
and
then
item
12.5
is
the
future
neighborhood's
Urban
expansion
area
process?
Is
that
received.
I
Be
resolved
that
city
council
resolve
in
camera
pursuant
to
the
procedure:
bylaw
2022-410,
subsections,
13,
1,
B,
personal
matters
about
an
identifiable
individual,
including
staff,
13
1D,
Labor,
Relations
or
employee
negotiations
and
13
1f,
the
receiving
of
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicitor
client
privilege,
including
Communications,
necessary
for
that
purpose.
Client
privilege,
including
Communications
necessary
for
that
purpose.
In
order
to
consider
the
verbal
report
from
the
chair
of
the
hiring
panel
for
the
city
manager
and
specifically
to
consider
the
recommended
candidate
for
the
position
of
city
manager.
B
B
B
Okay,
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
joining
us,
Ottawa
city
council
just
met
in
camera
pursuant
to
the
procedures
by
law
by
law,
number
2022,
410,
subsections,
13,
1,
B
personal
matters
about
an
identifiable
individual,
including
staff,
13
1D,
Labor,
Relations
or
employee
negotiations
and
13
1f,
the
receiving
of
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicitor,
client
privilege,
including
Communications,
necessary
for
that
purpose.
Council
received
an
update
on
the
city
manager,
hiring
panel
process
and
the
hiring
panel's
recommended
candidate
for
the
position
of
city
manager.
B
During
the
closed
session,
no
votes
were
taken
other
than
procedural
motions
and
or
directions
to
staff,
and
so
we
have
a
motion
from
councilor
kits
seconded
by
counselor
Tierney,
councilor
kits.
K
Thank
you
Mr
Mayor,
whereas
on
December
21st
2022,
in
accordance
with
statutory
Provisions
under
the
municipal
act
2001
as
amended
by
Bill
3.
The
strong
mayor
is
Building
Homes
act,
2022,
the
mayor
delegated
power
to
Ottawa
city
council
for
the
purposes
of
recruiting
and
hiring
a
city
manager
pursuant
to
the
process
set
out
in
mayoral
decision
number
202205,
which
was
later
revoked
and
replaced
by
mayoral
decision,
November,
20,
23
11
dated
April
21st
2023
and
whereas
the
Recruitment
and
hiring
process
set
out
in
mayoral
decision
number
2023-11
includes
as
follows.
K
655.90
2022
rates
to
be
adjusted
in
accordance
with
any
economic
increases
provided
to
the
management
and
professional
exempt
group,
with
annual
adjustments
done
in
accordance
with
the
statutory
officer,
recruitment,
appointment
and
contract,
Administration
policy
and
procedures
and
pension,
insured
benefits
and
other
benefit
prerequisites
in
keeping
with
those
provided
to
executive
level.
Members
of
the
MPE
group
and
be
it
further
resolved.
The
council
request
the
mayor
advised
Council
of
the
execution
of
the
employment
contract
by
way
of
memoranda.
G
I
That
the
report
from
planning
and
housing
committee
report
13
and
the
reports
from
the
city
clerk
entitled
status,
update
Council
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
August,
18,
2023
and
summary
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
items
subject
to
the
planning
act.
Explanation
requirements
at
the
city
council,
meeting
of
July
12
2023,
be
received
and
adopted
as
amended,
is.
B
That
carried
item
16
on
motions
of
notice
of
which
notice
has
previously
been
given
item
16.1,
is
the
motion
by
concealer,
plant
and
I
understand.
There
is
a
motion
to
defer
on
that.
Is
that
right
policy
alplant.
L
I'll
just
read
the
therefore
be
it
resolved.
Essentially
what
happened
was
I.
There
was
some
incorrect
information
and
therefore
be
resolved
that
canceled
for
consideration
of
the
motion
item
16.1
to
city
council,
meeting
September
28
2023,
which
is
my
son's
birthday.
Thank
you.
B
B
So
what
I
will
suggest
is
that
we
will
reintroduce
councilor,
dudas's
motion
and
councilor
dudas
who's
joining
us.
Virtually
can
speak
to
that
councilor
Gower
can
then
introduce
the
replacement
motion
and
speak
to
that.
We
will
have
discussion
and
questions
on
both
and
then
we
will
vote
and
following
procedure.
We
will
vote
first
on
the
replacement
motion
and
if
the
replacement
motion
carries
there
will
not
be
a
vote
on
the
original
motion.
If
the
replacement
motion
fails,
there
will
be
a
vote
on
the
original
motion
by
counselor
dudas.
B
Is
everybody
clear
on
the
process
all
right,
counselor
Judas,
so
you
you
can
reintroduce
your
motion.
M
So
Mr
Romero
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that.
Will
this
also
count
for
my
time
for
wrap-up
and
speaking
to
my
motion,
because
I
can
do
both
at
the
same
time
or
I
can
take
both
separately.
M
M
M
M
Okay,
wonderful,
so
the
last
term
of
council.
When
we
first
considered
the
vut,
we
were
told
about
how
would
Target
property
speculators
or
our
foreign
investors
and
how
it
would
help
to
force
those
who
are
wantingly
sitting
on
empty
properties
to
sell
and
to
help
tackle
ottawa's
housing
crisis.
My
motion
today
is
not
meant
to
be
a
referendum
on
the
vut,
but
rather
acknowledging
that
something
has
gone
very
wrong
in
the
administration
and
not
allowing
the
status
quo
of
the
administration
to
continue
for
many
residents.
They
live
in
a
single
house
or
a
condo.
M
They
logged
in
they
checked
a
box.
It
was
super
simple.
My
motion
is
about
all
the
others,
as
you
can
imagine.
I
have
now
heard
from
many
Ottawa
residents
on
the,
but
I
have
heard
from
rural
Property
Owners
with
houses
that
are
long
abandoned,
but
are
Heritage
protected.
So
those
owners
are
on
the
Catch-22.
They
can't
tear
it
down,
but
they
can't
rent
it,
but
they
still
have
to
pay
the
tax
seniors.
Who
cannot
live
alone
during
ottawa's
Winters,
but,
unlike
snowbirds,
they
get
an
exemption.
M
They
move
in
with
family
locally
or
temporarily,
move
into
an
assisted
living
facility,
they're
subject
to
the
tax.
After
they
speak
to
the
city.
These
owners
have
to
pay
the
tax.
Is
this?
What
we
want
when
the
vot
was
first
presented
to
council
staffed,
spoke
of
the
property
speculators
or
foreign
investors
that
the
tax
food
Target?
We
were
told
the
exemptions
that
would
protect
seniors
if
they
were
in
care
or
hospital
that
they
would
be
protected,
but
that
hasn't
happened.
M
Ottawa
has
a
housing
crisis
and
all
tools
at
our
disposal
need
to
be
explored.
We
didn't
know
the
specific
numbers,
but
on
a
leap
of
faith,
we
passed
the
program
believing
that
the
quote
unquote.
Bad
guy
would
be
the
target
we
have
all
heard
from
residents
who
have
never
were
never
intended
to
pay
this
tax,
but
because
of
their
specific
situation,
have
been
caught
up
in
this
net
and
have
to
City
staff.
Do
not
have
concrete
numbers
in
that
report.
M
They
were
very
upfront
that
they
only
knew
Vancouver
numbers
the
city
in
Canada,
widely
acknowledge,
as
the
worst
investor
held
empty
units
staff
didn't
know
that
our
net,
what
our
numbers
would
be,
but
they
knew
that
we
would
be
below
Vancouver.
With
that
in
mind,
City
staff
cut
and
pasted
Vancouver's
Tax
Administration.
Why
reinvent
a
will
that
seemed
to
work
right?
We
now
have
preliminary
numbers
in
front
of
us
and,
depending
on
the
success
of
the
appeals,
we
are
over
double
triple
those
numbers.
M
These
numbers
are
not
proof
of
Ottawa
secretly
having
a
ghost
vacancy
problem.
It
is
only
proof
that
residents
are
being
charged.
The
tax
in
a
far
greater
number
than
anyone
could
have
ever
imagined,
and
we
know
that
those
being
caught
up
in
legitimately,
subject
to
our
tax
go
well
beyond.
Who
we
on
Council
believed
would
be.
M
Council
can
wait
for
the
final
report
on
year,
one,
and
maybe
it
will
explain
the
discrepancy
and
even
provide
suggested
changes
to
tighten
the
rules,
but
if
we
wait
until
2024
the
status
quo,
Administration
will
continue
and
the
Vu
tube
will
be
charged
again
next
year
and
we'll
be
very
likely
too
late
to
stop
it
from
being
charged
again
in
2025.
this.
This
means
that
literally
millions
of
dollars
will
be
unfairly
collected
from
Ottawa
residents.
In
the
interim,
we
have
a
preliminary
data
from
staff
rather
than
question.
M
If
the
tax
has
been
over
applied,
we
will
put
our
heads
in
the
sand.
I
believe
that
those
government
departments
at
all
three
levels-
those
who
set
housing
policy-
were
wrong.
All
the
academics
that
study
housing,
Canada
wrong
and
even
the
Housing
Industry,
those
whose
livelihoods
and
businesses
are
based
on
knowing
the
industries.
Surprise
you're
wrong
too.
The
message
to
council
is
simple:
ignore
what
we
told
you
before
trust
us
now
Vancouver
the
city
that
has
had
severe
empty
unit
problems
that
they
created
the
tax,
the
one
that
we
copied
is
actually
normal.
M
I
am
sure
that
they
would
be
surprised
too.
To
see
our
numbers
so
maybe
I'm
wrong,
maybe
Ottawa
is
on
or
with
Vancouver,
and
maybe
all
those
experts,
academics
and
those
in
the
industry
are
wrong
to.
But
is
it
really
easier
to
believe
that
our
tax
administration
is
broken
and
think
about
that?
Because
if
we
are
wrong,
it
is
Ottawa
residents
there'll
literally
be
paying
millions
of
dollars.
For
our
mistake,
the
vat
can
be
an
amazing
tool
to
help
help
tackle.
D
M
B
Thank
you,
councilor
dudas
I'll
now
ask
councilor
Gower
to
introduce
the
replacement
motion.
I
In
the
paperless
billing.
Through
my
service
Ottawa
and
whereas
in
the
vacant
unit
tax
report
approved
by
Council
in
2022,
the
document
establishing
the
vacant
unit
tax
in
Ottawa
stated
that
staff
until
the
program
begins
and
the
first
annual
declaration
is
in
the
city,
will
not
have
concrete
data
on
how
many
vacant
properties
are
subject
to
the
residential
vacant
unit.
Tax
staff
have,
however,
attempted
to
estimate
the
number
of
properties
that
would
be
vacant
using
various
approaches
and
data
sources.
I
I
Toronto
expects
the
tax
to
apply
to
one
percent
of
their
units
using
Vancouver's
results
as
a
proxy
for
measurement
staff,
adjusted
the
results
for
multiple
factors,
such
as
the
balance
between
condo
apartment
units
and
single
dwellings,
and
where
a
staff
noted
in
the
report
that
they
had
no
concrete
data
on
vacancy
in
Ottawa
and
estimated
a
vacancy
rate
of
0.5
percent
and
0.75.
And
whereas
the
preliminary
vacancy
rate
is
1.8
percent.
But
that
vacancy
rate
will
fluctuate
until
the
appeal
and
audit
phase
is
complete.
I
And
whereas
the
preliminary
vacancy
rate
for
Vancouver,
the
city
in
which
ottawa's
vut
is
based
on,
was
1.88
as
well.
And
their
final
vacancy
rate.
After
the
appeal
and
audit
phase
was
1.2
percent.
And
whereas
the
preliminary
vacancy
rate
for
Toronto
was
6.1
percent,
mainly
attributable
to
a
declaration
rate
of
95
percent
compared
to
99.1
percent
for
Ottawa.
And
whereas
Ottawa
had
the
highest
percentage
of
declarations
received
and
the
lowest
operating
costs
for
a
vut
in
Canada.
I
And
whereas
some
residents
have
raised
concerns
about
the
Declaration
process,
including
the
requirement
to
report
annually
and
the
Declarations
are
required
to
be
made
primarily
online.
And
whereas
the
development
industry,
Representatives
Representatives,
have
been
seeking
clarification
on
the
application
of
the
vut
to
new
builds
and
the
impact
on
housing,
affordability
and
whereas
two
to
three
years
of
data
would
be
required
to
analyze
Trends
and
the
possibility
of
moving
towards
an
effective,
targeted
or
periodic
declaration
approach.
I
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
vacant
unit
tax
continued
to
be
administered
and
staff
be
directed
to
improve
and
further
simplify
the
Declaration
process.
Increase
access
by
allowing
declarations
to
be
completed
at
client
service.
Centers
open
the
Declaration
portal
earlier
in
December,
with
notices
to
declare
going
out
in
January
leverage
phone
number
and
email
data
obtained
in
the
first
year
to
improve
customer
servicing
and
reduce
the
volume
of
late
declarations
and
subsequent
Years.
I
Thank
you
for
listening
to
all
of
that,
I
think
you
all
know.
I've
been
a
supporter
of
vacant
unit
tax
since
it
came
in
front
of
council
last
year.
I
do
think
it's
a
very
important
and
significant
policy
to
address
the
housing
crisis
and
also
an
important
funding
tool.
I
think
it's
too
early
to
fully
declare
it
a
success
or
a
failure.
I
It
will
take
two
or
three
years
of
data
to
understand
what
effect
it's
having
in
putting
more
homes
back
on
the
market
and
making
sure
they're
occupied,
but
I
think
we
have
had
some
good
feedback
from
the
public
and
from
staff
and
from
counselors
on
administrative
changes
that
can
be
made
to
improve
the
process
in
future
years,
and
that's
really
what
this
motion
is
aimed
at.
Taking
the
opportunity
now
to
direct
staff
and
provide
some
recommendations
on
how
that
process
can
be
improved.
F
You
very
much
mayor
and
I'd
like
to
thank
councilor
dudas
for
for
bringing
this
forward
and
forcing
this
conversation
to
happen
today
and
I've
had
quite
a
few
residents
who
I
think
have
been
unfairly
caught
up
in
in
the
implementation
of
this
program
and
I'll
get
into
that
in
a
deep
in
a
few
details
in
a
in
a
moment.
But
I
have
a
few
questions.
First,
when
the
program
was
first
proposed,
what
was
the
stated
goal?
N
Mr
Mayor,
so
when
we
presented
the
framework
in
terms
of
the
foundations
of
this
program,
it
was
too
full
one
was
to
get.
Ultimately,
the
goal
was
to
get
more
units
back
onto
the
market.
Obviously
we
knew
that
there
would
be
a
financial
impact
to
that
and
then
that
fund
was
also
going
to
be
dedicated
and
is
dedicated
to
affordable
housing.
So
the
goal
was
really
to
support
if
affordable
housing
crisis
that
were
faced
with
there
in
the
city.
F
But
the
number
that
was
arrived
at
was
a
1600
around
there,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
the
results
that
we've
gotten
back
this
year
are
much
higher
than
that,
would
you
account?
How
would
you
account
for
that?
Is
that?
Do
you
think
it's
because
of
the
negative
billing
option
that
many
of
these
homes
have
been
deemed
vacant
when,
in
fact,
they're
not.
N
Mr
Mayor
I
think
what
I
would
deem
from
that
is.
We
had
no
real
Baseline
data
point.
So
when
you
go
into
you
know
an
area
where
you
have
no
data,
there
was
no
data
collected.
There
was
no
reference
point
other
than
leveraging.
What
we
found
was
the
best
in
practice
in
this
area,
which
was
Vancouver's
model
okay.
N
So
if
you
go
through
where
we
are
on
our
stage
so
we're
in
the
in
the
appeal
stage
and
we're
basically
trending
and
tracking
right,
where
Vancouver
was
at
their
stage,
they're
more
advanced
at
us,
so
their
finals
at
1.2
percent
and
as
this
motion
articulates
and
shows
you
know
we're
actually
trending
better
than
where
Toronto
is
as
well.
So
we're
kind
of
right
on
par
where
we're
the
best
industry
standard
is
for
this
program.
Thank.
F
You
and
out
of
the
number
of
units
that
have
been
deemed
vacant
or
declared
vacant,
do
you
have
any
ability
to
determine
how
many
of
those
would
be
affordable
or
or
what
you
would
call
Affordable
in
terms
of
families
being
able
to
attain
that
housing?
That's
that's
not
on
the
market
now.
N
Minister
mayor
I
would
have
to
take
that
away
and
do
some
work
with
the
team,
because
again
it
all
depends
on
the
location.
The
market
in
that
surrounding
area,
where
that
vacant
unit
is
the
condition
of
the
unit.
So
there's
a
multitude
of
factors
that
would
impact
the
potential
rent
from
a
market
perspective
and.
F
The
next
question
may
not
be
for
finance
might
be
for
playing
I'm,
not
sure.
Where
do
the
most
affordable
units
in
the
city
exist?
Are
they
in
high-rise
apartment
buildings?
Are
they
in
town
homes?
Are
they
in
single
detached
homes.
O
Foreign,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Mr
Mayor.
In
terms
of
affordability.
It
really
varies.
You
know,
I
think
we
could
again
take
that
away,
give
you
some
feedback
but
terms
of
ownership.
O
It's
the
entry
point
would
be
easier
in
a
high
rise,
but
again
much
smaller
unit
not
conducive
to
families.
Typically,.
N
F
F
And-
and
you
know,
my
final
question
is:
how
would
you
measure
the
success
of
this
program?
Will
it
be
through
seeing
an
increase
in
the
number
of
previously
empty,
but
existing
units?
How
are
we
going
to
be
differentiating
between
new
units
on
the
market
and
new
units
as
a
result
of
the
vacant
unit,
tax.
N
Mr
Mayor
I
think
the
key
to
measuring
success
is
data,
and
that's
where
we're
you
know
we're
trying
to
get
that
data.
We're
seeing
a
lot
of
benefit
of
the
data
that
we've
been
able
to
collect
to
date
and
that's
why
we
need
a
bit
more
time
to
go
through
a
full
cycle
and
see
what
trends
will
come.
You
know
making
predictive
Trend
assumptions
with
limited
data
is
probably
not
the
best
way
forward
so
successful
to
be
contingent
on
data
and,
as
we
see
that
trend
lines
and
Analysis
of
that
data
going
forward.
F
So
I've
heard
from
I
think
in
terms
of
issues
that
that
my
office
has
dealt
with
since,
since
the
beginning
of
the
term,
the
the
vacant
unit
tax
has
been
either
the
number
one
issue,
or
certainly
in
the
top
three
and
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
visits
from
people
who
I
wouldn't
consider
to
be.
You
know
anti-tax
per
se,
but
but
do
have
I
think
legitimate
concerns
and
experiences
that
they've
been
through.
As
a
result
of
this
implementation
and
I've
I've
sent
a
few
examples
on
and
and
I'll
I'll.
F
Just
repeat
them
for
for
some
of
my
colleagues
here
today.
So
I've
got
an
82
year
old,
retired
resident
That
Was
preparing
a
vacant
unit
in
this
Triplex
got
diagnosed
with
cancer.
For
the
third
time
wasn't
able
to
complete
the
repair
in
the
in
the
amount
of
time
and
the
result
was
him
being
issued.
A
2200
additional
tax
bill
I've
got
a
person
with
a
dilapidated
house
that
the
city
has
a
designated
Heritage
building
and
can't
be
demolished.
F
The
cost
of
repair
is
not
economically
feasible
and
cannot
be
inhabited,
as
is
the
result
that
person
paid
a
thirty
two
hundred
dollar
additional
tax
person
with
a
dilapidated
house
with
all
services
cut
off
for
over
the
last
12
years,
and
the
owners
are
waiting
to
retire
and
build
a
new
house
on
that
property.
They
were
issued
an
additional
ten
thousand
dollar
tax
bill
and
a
person
wanting
to
get
a
demolition
permit,
but
couldn't
because
the
city
wouldn't
issue
one
without
a
corresponding
building
permit.
The
result
was
an
additional
six
thousand
dollars
in
taxes.
F
I
think
it's
my
belief
that
there
are
perhaps
an
infinite
number
of
reasons
why
an
owner
may
leave
a
dwelling
empty
for
more
than
184
days
in
a
year
which
I,
don't
really
believe,
is
any
of
our
business
and
burdening
all
Property
Owners
with
this
declaration
in
an
attempt
to
incentivize
a
very
small
number
of
property
owners
to
rent
that
space
is
not
appropriate,
so
I
will
be
supporting
councilor
dudas's
motion
today,
if
I
get
the
chance
and
will
not
be
supporting
the
replacement
motion.
Thank
you
very
much
mayor.
P
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
see
in
my
inbox.
Every
day
in
my
ward,
I
represent
the
award
with
the
highest
rate
of
poverty,
the
highest
number
of
people
living
in
very
inadequate
rooming
houses,
and
recently
one
of
our
residents
died.
Squatting
in
abandoned
property,
heat
exposure,
fever
really
unacceptable
conditions,
and
this
was
the
resident
that
we
had
been
trying
to
help.
P
So
the
what
we
have
downtown
is
we
have
a
number
of
vacant
properties
where
the
landlords
are
happy
to
speculate
to
sit
on
in
them.
Some
of
them
are
Heritage
properties
that
literally
Go
to
Raw,
and
they
are
empty
when
they
could
be
housing.
People
now
I
know
it's
not
always
a
direct
line
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
the
vut
is
a
very
small
incentive,
but
it
is
some
incentive
for
Property
Owners
to
ensure
that
people
are
living
in
their
properties
and
not
sitting
empty.
It
is
a
real
problem
in
our
downtown
core.
P
Let's
not
forget.
This
is
10
million
dollars
in
Revenue
toward
affordable
housing.
That
is
absolutely
desperately
needed,
and
the
majority
of
the
messages
that
I
hear
from
residents
are
that
they
are
desperate
either
to
stay
in
their
housing
or
to
find
housing.
So
I
do
think
it's
problematic
if
people
are
getting
caught
into
an
administrative
web.
I
do
support
councilor
gower's
replacement
motion,
because
I
I
think
improving
our
processes
is
always
a
good
idea,
but
I
do
think.
P
You
know
fool
me
once
I
I
do
think
residents
who
may
have
been
you
know
who
did
not
fill
out
the
Declaration
and
were
charged
will
certainly
do
so
now
if
they
are
living
in
those
residences,
and
we
had
95
percent
of
declarations
made
online.
P
It's
improved
enrollment
for
paperless
billing
in
my
service,
Ottawa
I
think
we
can
always
improve
our
processes,
but
I.
Think
giving
up
on
this
tax
after
one
year
would
be
a
huge
mistake,
and
you
know
I
I,
just
I
find
it
incredibly
troubling
the
idea
that
we
would
abandon
this
so
quickly
when
it
is
clearly
one
of
the
very
few
Revenue
tools
that
we
have
available
to
fund
affordable
housing
in
our
city.
We've
already
lost
so
much
to
development.
P
So
much
in
terms
of
development
fees
with
Bill,
23
and
I
know
there's
not
a
great
appetite
to
have
a
general
tax
levy
for
affordable
housing,
although
that
is
something
I
would
certainly
support.
So
what
this
is
is
a
relatively
small
penalty
to
incentivize
landowners,
Property
Owners
to
House
people
in
empty
buildings,
and
that
is
what
we
need
in
our
city,
so
I
will
not
be
supporting
Council
judas's
motion.
I.
Do
think
that
councilor
gowers
motion
is
quite
reasonable
and
I'm
very
happy
to
support
it.
Thank
you.
Q
Treaty
of
the
of
the
council
is
to
end
the
homelessness
crisis,
which
we
all
recognize
requires.
Multi-Faceted
solution.
It's
not
one
size
fits
all.
There
is
no
question
that
we
need
more
affordable
housing
as
the
chair
of
Ottawa,
Community,
Housing
I
know
it
as
much
as
everyone
else.
This
is
why
Council
supported
the
vacant
unit
tax
in
the
first
place
and
I
heard
from
residents,
complain
to
me.
Why
are
houses
left
empty
on
my
street
when
we're
in
a
housing
crisis?
Q
This
was
a
concern
and
I
agreed
with
them.
According
to
staff,
the
projected
revenue
from
the
vut
will
be
13
million.
The
program
costs
2.5
million
to
run,
leaving
us
with
10.5
million
for
affordable
housing.
Much
needed
the
2023,
affordable
housing
budget
from
the
city
was
15
million.
The
view
tube
will
add
to
our
budget.
Why
would
we
detract
from
it?
The
vut
is
also
brought
many
residents
back
into
the
market,
the
housing
market,
with
a
vacant
rate
of
1.8
percent.
We
need
every
unit
we
can
get
and
more
funds
to
build.
Q
The
owners
of
filing
a
declaration
has
been
used
as
an
argument
to
cancel
the
vat,
but
we
know
that
95
percent
of
residents
filed
online
without
assistance.
It
took
on
average
three
minutes
four
percent
of
residents
filed
with
the
help
of
staff
on
the
phone
one
percent
of
residents
filed
on
paper
or
in
person
or
at
a
drop
in,
and
we
helped
many
of
those,
because
I
have
the
highest
number
of
seniors
in
the
city
and
we
heard
from
them.
We
heard
about
the
concern
of
senior
residents
specifically
and
again.
Q
Staff
had
shown
us
how
to
help
them
out
filing
their
declarations
faster
into
a
higher
percentage.
Staff
have
stated
that
they
have
always
tried
to
make
it
easier
and
will
work
continue
to
work
with
us
on
this
myself
and
my
colleagues
understand
the
housing
crisis
and
we
keep
discussing
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
We
need
this
very
much
every
week
at
planning
and
housing
committee.
We
work
towards
getting
more
affordable
housing
stock
and
we
need
that
Revenue.
Why?
Why
on
Earth?
Would
we
take
this
opportunity
away?
Q
I
want
to
thank
my
colleague,
councilor
Gower,
for
his
replacement
motion
and
I
hope
to
move
forward
in
bringing
affordable
housing
to
the
city.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you,
councilor
Kavanaugh,
councilman
I'm,
going
to
go
to
councilor
Hubley
next,
because
he
has
a
technical
issue
and
couldn't
put
up
his
hand,
but
he
advised
me,
as
Ann
was
up
so
counselor
Hubley
go
ahead.
R
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
first
before
I
ask
my
questions.
I
want
to
express
my
appreciation
to
Cyril
and
and
Joseph,
and
the
folks
that
worked
on
this
because,
like
other
counselors
I,
had
a
lot
of
questions
from
residents
on
this
and
I
know,
Joseph
called
many
of
them
back
personally
and
I
heard
from
residents.
After
that
they
appreciated
the
information
he
gave
them.
I'll
give
an
example:
the
the
a
lot
of
seniors
in
my
ward
had
some
trouble
trying
to
do
this
themselves.
R
Online
and
Joseph
was
able
to
share
the
phone
number
where
staff
would
help
them
do
it,
and-
and
it
was
quite
simple
for
it
to
be
the
process
to
be
done
after
that.
So
I
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
I
appreciate
all
the
work
of
staff
on
this.
R
R
Why
are
you
going
out
to
100
of
your
population
on
this
issue
when
you
say
up
front
that
it's
only
going
to
affect
a
few
thousand,
and
that
was
a
a
tough
dilemma
for
all
of
us
and
at
the
time
that
this
was
passed,
we
were,
and
we
still
are
in
a
housing
crisis
and
I
believe
most
of
the
people
around
the
table
that
voted
for
this
value-added
tax
at
the
time
agreed
that
it
will
help,
but
at
least
a
couple
of
thousand
more
units
on
the
market
and
so
to
councilor
gowers
motion.
R
I
I
share
his
his
thoughts
on
that.
That
was
what
we
were
trying
to
do
with
this.
So
at
the
time
I
had
done
a
I
think
it
was
a
direction
or
emotion.
That
said,
fine,
let's
do
this
tax,
but
we
got
to
find
a
way
that
we
don't
have
to
go
out
to
Residents
every
single
year
to
have
them
update
this,
because
the
majority
of
our
residents
are
never
going
to
tick
the
box
that
they
have
a
vacant
unit.
R
So
to
that
point,
I'm
going
to
start
asking
my
questions
here
and
one
is
how
many
or
why
did
we
not
ask
residents
to
identify
whether
it
was
their
principal
residence
or
not?
N
Mr
Mayor
again,
we
really
had
to
we
leverage
all
of
our
benchmarking
and
details
from
the
Vancouver
model,
which
was
the
best
in
class
and
tends
to
be
the
best
in
class
today.
So
we
leveraged
that
model
as
our
best
starting
point
and
as
this
as
the
Gower
motion
outlines
and
as
staff
is
continuously
working
with
each
of
you
in
your
offices.
N
That's
our
starting
point
so
we're
we
are
fully
committed
to
improvements
and
changing
that
and
evolving
that
to
make
that
better
and
better
so
I
think
that's
the
work
that
we're
going
to
take
away
as
we
get
the
data.
So
the
key
point
that
I
want
to
stress
today
is
the
importance
of
the
data
to
help
us
make
sure
we
actually
Target
better
and
move
forward
with
a
better
program
as
we
evolve.
This.
R
Right
so
because
my
thinking
is,
if
we
identify
that's
a
personal
resonance,
then
not
somebody,
we
probably
don't
have
to
go
back
to
maybe
never
at
all,
but
at
least
not
for
several
years.
Whereas
if
it's
a
rental
property,
you
probably
do
want
to
go
back
out
a
little
more
frequently.
So
I'd
like
you
to
take
that
under
consideration.
R
If
we
decide
to
keep
the
tax
and
I
gotta
say
up
front
to
my
colleagues,
I
am
very
divided
on
this
issue
because
of
the
discussion
around
it
last
year,
I
and
and
the
help
from
staff
I
I'm
leaning
towards
the
Gower
motion,
but
because
of
all
the
negative
feedback
from
residents
and
and
what
I've
heard
in
the
public
I'm
also
thankful
that
councilor
dudas
brought
her
motion
for
it.
R
On
that
question,
or
my
question
on
that
for
Cyril
is
how
soon
before
you're
going
to
be
able
to
tell
us
with
relatively
certain
certainty
how
many
actual
vacant
units
did
this
process
identify.
N
Mr
Mayor
so
right
now
the
the
appeal
process
is
open
until
September
15th,
so
we've
committed
to
coming
back
in
October
with
an
update
in
terms
of
the
data
that
we
have
at
that
point,
we've
also
in
sync
timing.
We've
also
started
the
audit
process,
so,
as
a
declaration
is
an
appeal
process
in
the
audit
process,
so
we'll
have
a
better
idea
in
terms
of
the
appeals,
but
after
September
15
report
back
in
October,
but
then
we
need
more
time
as
we
go
through
the
audit
process
so
buy.
N
R
So
if,
if,
if
the
Gower
motion,
for
example,
goes
forward
today,
how
soon
would
we
be
able
to
stop
going
out
to
every
single
person?
When
will
you
have
the
confidence
in
your
data
that
we
could
say?
Okay,
we
don't
have
to
check
with
everybody
for
four
years
five
years,
whatever.
N
Mr
Mayor
I
would
say
the
Q3
2024
Mark.
That
gives
us
the
time
to
go
through
that
audit
cycle,
because
that
auto
cycle
is
a
pretty
robust
cycle.
So
for
us
to
go
through
that
phase,
do
analysis
and
really
come
back
with
a
recommendation
or
improve
his
next
steps.
From
that
point,
that's
what
that
would
be.
R
And
so
maybe
to
the
clerk,
if
I
may
would
that
be
considered
reconsideration
that
these
motions
are
dealt
with
today,
instead
of
us
waiting
till
we
get
all
that
information
in
October
and
then,
if,
if
another
motion
comes
forward
to
very
similar
to
dudas
motion
after
we
get
that
data
and
find
out,
half
of
them
shouldn't
be
on
that
list
and-
and
there
was
all
kinds
of
issues,
would
that
be
considered
reconsideration.
G
G
R
Okay:
okay,
that's
that's
important
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
just
want
to
add
this
and
then
I
I
think
I'll
be
done.
Mr
Mayor,
one
of
the
discussions
under
the
official
plan
last
go
around.
I
can
cross
the.
B
R
I'll
say
this
very
briefly:
then
one
of
the
big
discussions
under
the
official
plan
was
density
in
my
ward
and
I'm.
Sure
some
of
the
other
counselors
are
around
the
table.
Residents
really
push
back
on
more
density.
They
don't
want
single
family
homes
being
converted
to
triplexes
all
down
the
street,
with
no
parking
or
Transit
available
for
those
people
we're
seeing
the
signs
of
that
until
the
official
plan
was
decided,
we
were
seeing
some
really
wild.
R
Rectal
fits
like
1200
square
foot
units
people
coming
in
putting
eight
bathrooms
in
there
and
expecting
everybody
to
live
without
only
with
a
small
common
kitchen
that
kind
of
nightmare
scenarios.
So
I,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
I'm
leaning
towards
the
Gower
in
motion,
so
thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
for
allowing
me
to
vent.
S
You
very
much
mayor,
I
think
it's
clear
in
Ottawa
we
have
people
without
houses
and
we
have
houses
without
people
and
it's
time
that
we
do
the
math
and
and
put
two
and
two
together,
I.
Think
it's
worth
keeping
in
mind
to
the
point
about
costs
that,
whether
we
maintain
the
vut
a
fund
that
would
fund
more
non-market
Housing,
Development
or
not,
we
will
nevertheless
have
to
pay
a
price.
S
In
fact,
we
already
do
the
price
of
not
building
affordable
housing
is
by
far
the
dearest
price
and
not
just
in
terms
of
inhumane
suffering.
That
is
homelessness
in
a
winter
City,
but
in
terms
of
the
actual
tax
burden
as
well
and
I.
Think
we
all
know
here
putting
it
succinctly
paying
to
create
a
bed
in
a
non-uh
market.
S
Housing
unit
will
always
be
cheaper
for
taxpayers
than
paying
for
a
bed
in
a
shelter,
a
hotel,
a
hospital
or
a
prison,
and
we
need
to
do
what
we
can
to
make
that
investment
through
the
vut
not
making
that
investment
will
put
upward
pressure
on
taxes
at
every
level
of
government.
S
It
puts
us
on
a
path
that
will
both
see
us
pay
less
overall
and
that
better
targets,
those
that
are
most
able
to
pay
those
with
multiple
units
in
the
city
that
would
be
most
able
to
pay
for
a
priority
that
we've
set
as
a
council
I
think
you
know
this
vacant
unit
funding
is
one
of
the
only
tools
that
a
municipality
has
to
deal
with
the
issue
of
supercharged
demand
in
the
real
estate
market,
from
speculators
and
others,
and
if
you
support
supply
side
Solutions
to
the
affordable
housing
crisis,
but
oppose
the
only
measures
we
have
to
help
to
ensure
that
Supply
is
meeting
the
actual
demand
for
housing
and
oppose
the
only
funding
mechanism
we
have
that
is
exclusively
for
affordable
housing.
S
Then
you
don't
actually
support
solutions
to
the
affordable
housing
crisis.
I
think
we
in
Ottawa
we
had
higher
declarations
than
Vancouver
and
Toronto
with
99.1
percent
I
went
on
there.
It
was
relatively
easy
to
click
that
box
and
declare
that
wasn't
a
huge
burden
on
me,
but
the
burden
of
homelessness,
the
burden
of
people
that
are
precariously
housed.
Now,
that's
the
real
burden.
S
With
the
limited
tools
we
have
and
so
I
hope
that
you
know
the
people
around
this
table
that
have
advocated
for
affordable
housing
in
the
past,
including
you
know,
chairs
of
of
the
Committees
that
deal
with
affordable
housing,
we'll
we'll
stick
to
that
and
ensure
that
this
tool
remains
and
is
something
that
targets
those
obviously
most
able
to
pay.
S
Well,
I
think
we
can
make
changes
to
the
program
at
the
same
time,
I
think
things
like
a
paper
option,
some
clear
language
language
around
the
consequences
of
not
filing
some
of
the
pieces
in
the
guitar
motion,
and
your
motion
speak
to
some
of
the
changes
that
I
think
we
can
do
to
evolve
the
program
and
improve
it,
but
that
this
was
a
good
move
of
the
last
term
of
council
I'm,
proud
to
have
supported
it
then
and
proud
to
support
it
now
and
I
hope
the
rest
of
council
can
do
the
same.
T
You
very
much
Mr
Mayor
I
really
want
I
I
want
to
get
away
from
the
conversation
on
the
on
the
the
process,
because
I
I
do
agree
that
we
can
clean
up
process.
This
has
been
a
pilot
year.
We
could
go
through.
We
could
identify
better
mechanisms
and
we're
going
to
be
in
the
process.
I've
heard
that
already
from
staff
on
that
in
terms
of
of
looking
at,
you
know
making
a
less
burdensome
issue
as
it
goes
forward.
T
My
concern
more
so
is
on
the
stated
purpose
and
the
process
and
and
really
I
think
there
could
potentially
be
some
unintended
consequences.
That
I
want
to
speak
to
just
because
I'm
I'm
quite
concerned
about
where
that
could
go.
So
from
a
stated
purpose
perspective.
The
fedco
report
to
Council
in
June
of
21
stated
that
the
residential
vacant
unit
tax
will
encourage
homeowners
to
maintain
occupy
or
rent
their
properties,
thereby
increasing
the
housing
Supply.
T
The
tax
will
also
reduce
the
number
of
Property
Standards
issues
by
motivating
Property
Owners
to
exercise
their
options
to
resolve
the
outstanding
issues.
This
is
a
behavioral
tax.
The
purpose
behind
this
tax
is
to
change
a
behavior
and
I.
Don't
disagree
that
we
want
to
reduce
the
total
number
of
vacant
units
across
the
city
of
Ottawa.
We
have
some
mechanisms
to
do
that.
T
We
do
have
a
bylaw
that
would
look
at
vacant
units
that
looks
dilapidated
units
and
there
are
mechanisms
with
which
residents
or
city
staff
can
go
through
to
deal
with
that
through
the
bylaw
process
and
I
would
also
offer
that
there's
a
short-term
rental
process
that
we
could
be
looking
at,
perhaps
with
a
bit
more
squeeze
on
that.
If
we're
genuinely
concerned
about
making
residential
units
more
accessible,
the
discussion
about
what
we
could
do
with
those
additional
resources,
I
think
is
a
secondary
discussion
and
I
think
first
off.
T
We
need
to
talk
about
the
purpose
of
this
and
what
we're
trying
to
get
out
of
it
before
we
talk
about
how
we're
going
to
divvy
up
the
resources
that
come
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
disagreement
with
more
resources.
We
can
do
more
good
things
with
that,
and
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
That
comment,
but
my
concern
is:
if
we're
going
to
be
taxing
folks,
then
we
need
to
understand
the
implications
of
who
we're
taxing,
why
we're
taxing
them
and
what
the
second
order
effects
are.
T
We've
heard
earlier
a
couple
of
case
studies
of
a
few
folks
in
the
city
that
were,
you
know,
arguably
taxed
in
a
way
that
I
don't
think
the
intent
was
there,
whether
it
be
for
for
a
person
that
has
had
an
inheritance,
whether
it
be
for
somebody
that
had
a
heritage
site
that
they
wanted
to
demolish.
I
have
examples
of
that
as
well,
but
I
think.
T
Do
we
have
data
I
guess
this
is
a
question
to
staff?
Do
we
have
data
on
how
a
vacant
unit
tax,
which
is
an
additional
barrier
to
the
the
entities
that
operate
in
the
vacant
or
in
the
rental
market,
space,
how
they
will
be
implicated
over
the
next
10
years
or
if
this
could
potentially
have
adverse
effects
to
our
intent
to
try
and
grow
the
rental
market
Commodities
within
the
city.
N
Mr
Mayor
I'm,
not
sure
I'd,
clearly
understand
the
question,
but
I
guess
the
intent
again
is
is
to
get
more
stock
in
the
market.
So
in
terms
of
data,
that's
what
one
of
the
fundamental
framework
goals
is
of
this
program
is
to
get
more
more
of
those
Mark
Mortals
units
back
into
the
market.
So
I'm
not
entirely
sure.
If
you
want
to
rephrase
your
question
or
be
more
specific.
T
No
for
sure
I
can
I
can
clarify
and
I
apologize
if
it
wasn't
in
the
first
place.
I
understand
that
motivating
an
individual
that
or
or
corporation
that
has
a
vacant
unit
through
taxing
them,
will
motivate
them
to
do
that.
I'm
talking
about
going
forward
over
the
next
10
years,
if
we're
looking
at
developing
additional
housing
stock,
and
some
of
that
will
be
rental
unit,
are
there
potentially
actors
in
that
space
who
would
be
disincentivized
to
investing
in
future
growth
of
housing
stock
as
a
result
of
a
potential
barrier
like
the
vacant
unit,
tax.
N
Mr
Mayor
I'll
put
my
economic
lens
on
that
I
think
fundamentally
developing.
If
you're
going
to
develop
more
rental
stocks
in
your
Market
as
a
developer
or
as
an
investment
opportunity,
the
goal
would
be
to
rent
that
unit,
so
I
think
it
would
not
be
the
adverse
effect.
I
think
the
goal
would
be
to
get
more
more
units
in
the
market,
so
you
can
leverage
the
rental
market
and
maximize
your
investment
through
rentals.
T
So
if,
in
the
future,
we
believe
that
you
know
that
the
actors
that
were
the
landlords
would
be
incentivized
to
rent
out
units
and
not
have
them
vacant,
it
probably
makes
sense
that
in
the
present
they
want
to
do
that
as
well.
You
know
so
my
my
concern
there
would
be
you
know:
I
I
acknowledge
in
2019
2020
we
had
a.
We
had
a
significant
spike
in
the
market
as
a
result
of
low
info
low
interest
rates.
T
A
lot
of
people
purchasing
a
lot
of
speculation,
but
I
think
as
a
part
of
the
regular
Market
cycle.
We've
seen
that
ease
off
I,
don't
disagree
whatsoever
that
a
corporation
who's
profit
motivated
is
going
to
look
to
build
housing
stock
where
they
think
they
can
make
a
profit,
whether
it
be
through
sales
or
through
rentals,
but
if,
in
the
future,
they're
they're
going
to
be
wanting
to
to
to
to
to
house
and
to
get
occupants
in
them,
it
just
makes
sense
that
they
would
want
to
do
it
in
the
present
as
well.
T
So
in
some
ways,
I
think
that
the
solution
we
have
of
the
vacant
unit
tax
is
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem,
because
there
are
other
mechanisms
that
we
have
here,
such
as
the
vacant
unit
bylaw,
and
perhaps
if
we
strengthen
that
or
if
we
were
to
look
at
short-term
rentals
as
well,
which
I
know
in
my
ward
I
have
a
significant
concern
with.
There
are
many
residential
areas
where
we
have
significant,
short-term
rentals,
which
I
think
could
potentially
be
better
better
used
elsewhere.
So
from
that
perspective,
I'm
supportive
of
the
dudas
motion.
U
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
for
the
time
I'm,
not
going
to
repeat
be
repetitive
of
some
of
my
colleague
question
and
concern.
But
I
have
a
quick
question
before
I.
U
Ask
the
question:
I
I
do
also
because
one
of
the
counselors
that
I've
been
a
regular
to
our
city
staff,
especially
in
the
financial
department,
Joseph
and
Cyril,
has
been
amazing,
amazingly
helping
us
and
most
of
the
time,
sometimes
their
hand
are
tied
because
there
will
be
an
issue
with
impact,
and
sometimes
it
depends
on
how
the
household
is
being
coded
or,
and
so
many
other
things
we
discovered.
But
I
want
to.
U
Thanks
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
they
were
very
responsive
to
our
rural
resident
and
our
community,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
issues
in
our
area
from
a
vut
and
we
discovered
that
and
but
the
burden
was
mostly
on
the
residence
to
declare
and
to
make
sure
that
they
proved
that
there
was
Universe
are
their
own
personal
home
that
they
live
on
them
or
they're
vacant.
But
my
question
is
quick,
probably
to
zero
or
some
of
those
units
that
we've
been
deemed
declared
that
there
they
didn't.
U
N
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
we
are
tracking
all
the
data.
So
that's
one
of
the
the
core
benefits
I
see
in
this
program
is:
we
are
getting
a
lot
of
good
data,
we're
tracking
every
component
of
the
data
points
and
those
are
the
things
that
we're
leveraging
and
we'll
report
back
on
when
we
report
back
in
October
with
some
of
those
metrics
and
those
data
points.
N
Mr
Mayor,
so
at
this
point,
I
haven't
got
the
team
to
dissect
at
all,
because
it's
a
moving
data
point.
So
what
we
will
commit
to
is
you
know
when
we
report
back
we'll
have
you
know
we'll
report
back
all
the
metrics
we
want
if
there's
additional
metrics
or
views
that
you
want
to
see
we're
more
than
willing
to
kind
of
dissect
that
data
into
different
frame
points.
You
want
to
see.
U
We
have
a
single
dwelling
that
someone
put
obtain
application
to
put
a
granny
Suite
on
it
and
now
all
of
a
sudden
becomes
secondary
unit
and
if
the
code
will
enter
incorrectly
at
an
impact
at
the
impact
at
that
time
now
what
happened
is
the
resident
that
they
sold
that
home
to
to
another
new
owner
and
the
New
Order
decide
that
you
know
what
I
don't
want:
I
the
previous
owner
built
it
for
his
mother
or
his
kids
or
something.
But
now
I've
decided
it's
my
single
dwelling.
U
I
know
it's
I
have
a
granny
Sweden,
but
I
don't
want
to
rent
it
now,
he's
forced
to
rent
it
and
the
onus
right
now
is
on
owner
to
go
through
the
process
and
I
know.
I
know
that
you
guys
don't
have
that
process,
because
it's
a
secondary
process,
so
to
me
is:
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
work
with
impact
to
making
sure
to
be
able
to
pass
those
processes,
because
the
residents
still
has
to
pay
the
taxes
that
we
we
we're
going
to
implement?
U
On
them
from
the
vut
and
it's
on
him
to
follow
the
process
between
impact
and
us,
are
we
having
some
dialogue
or
can
we
have
some
easier
process
when
we
discover
issues
like
that
and
I
know
that
your
team
is
very
engaged
on
those
issues?
So
there
is
anything
we
can
work
and
work
with
the
in
that
process.
N
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
I
agree.
We
are.
We
are
keeping
track
of
all
those
different
trend
lines
to
different
standpoint
data
points
in
terms
of
trends
of
what
the
issues
are
and
we're
here
to
provide
that
guidance
and
support
to
the
residents
for
impact,
and
we
also
having
regular
dialogue
with
impact
as
well
so
we're
here
to
support
where
we
can,
when
we
can.
U
Thank
you,
Mr
Mr
Mayor.
It's
not
a
lack
of
a
a
service
from
our
city
staff.
They've,
been
amazing,
they've
been
really
responsive
to
our
resin,
but
there's
a
lot
of
issue
during
the
process.
U
That's
happened
from
previous
year
how
the
code
has
been
entered
and
impact,
so
it's
putting
a
lot
of
bonuses
on
our
resident
I'm,
one
of
the
counselors
that
I
know
that
I,
like
I,
looked
at
the
number
there's
over
30
000
inquiry
to
council
to
counselor's
office,
answering
stuff,
and
probably
one
of
rural
residents
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
that
they
don't
have
capability
to
re,
renovate
Those,
Old,
Farm
homes
and
some
of
those
deficiency
in
in
the
coding
that's
been
implemented
through
impact.
U
So
I
cannot
support
that
vot
tax
for
multiple
reasons
and
I'm,
hoping
that
counselor
dudas
motion
will
be
will
be
brought
to
floor
for
us
to
be
able
to
vote
on
it.
So
I
appreciate
it
for
the
reasons
America
can
support
the
Realty.
Thank.
V
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
Mayor
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
bringing
these
issues
forward.
I've
missed
you
all
over
the
past
six
weeks.
So
it's
great
to
have
such
good
discussion.
V
So
I
made
my
decision
to
give
up
my
career
in
the
federal
Public
Service,
largely
motivated
by
what
happened
in
my
ward,
with
hair
and
gate
and
I've
spent
most
of
this
week
talking
to
the
media
about
the
fact
that
we
have
people
living
in
community
centers,
because
we
don't
have
enough
houses,
we're
actually
looking
at
Claire
and
her
team
they've
done
a
fantastic
job
at
looking
at
over
160
listings
for
office
spaces,
53
industrial
spaces
to
House
people
in
that's
the
state
of
our
housing
here
at
Ottawa,
we're
actually
looking
to
put
people
in
industrial
spaces
that
don't
have
homes.
V
So
I
was
certainly
intrigued.
Reading
that
we
have
6
000
vacant
units,
so
I'll
just
give
that,
as
my
personal
viewpoint
on
the
state
of
housing
here
in
Ottawa,
I
just
have
a
quick
question
for
staff
hearing.
My
colleagues
speak
about
all
of
this
evidence
today
that
this
has
all
gone
wrong.
V
I
would
just
like
to
ask
a
few
clarifying
questions
on
this,
so
so
currently
there's
an
appeal
and
audit
process
going
on.
So
if
somebody
has
been
charged
correctly,
could
you
just
give
incorrectly?
Could
you
just
walk
me
through
a
little
bit
about
what
that
process
might
look
like.
N
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
so
right
now
the
the
appeal
process
is
open
and
it
closes
on
September
15th.
So
we've
had
various
communication
throughout
the
process,
providing
that
window
of
of
appeal
process
so
on
a
daily
basis,
I
can
tell
that
we
get
phone
calls.
We
get
in-person
visits
from
individuals
that
are
in
that
appeal
process.
At
the
same
time,
we
do
have
two
resources
right
now
dedicated
to
the
audit
stream
of
the
process
as
well.
N
So
you
know
some
of
that
audit
function
is
reviewing
the
appeals
and
some
of
the
auto
function
is
doing
our
random
sampling
as
we
go
through
all
the
other
stuff
that
was
declared
Etc.
So
the
the
appeal
process,
close
the
September
15th,
will
report
back
by
the
end
of
October
to
to
counselors
in
terms
of
that
data
point
and
then
in
Q3
of
2024,
we'll
report
back
in
terms
of
the
outcome
of
the
auto
cycle.
At
that
point
in
time.
N
I
think
at
the
end
of
June
we're
sitting
around
1900
appeals.
I,
don't
have
the
latest
data
as
of
now,
but
I
can
certainly
report
back
with
that.
V
N
Mr
Mayor
just
to
be
clear
when
we
speak
of
proper
data,
that's
one
year
of
a
good
cycle
of
data
right
so
again,
there's
there's
a
you
know.
The
more
longer
you
have
a
repeated
cycle.
You
get
better
data,
but
at
Q3
of
2024
we'll
have
a
full
year
cycle
in
terms
of
going
through
the
full
year.
Declaration:
fool
your
appeal,
fool
your
audit
and
then,
if
this
motion
is
successful,
the
second
year
of
Declaration,
so
we'll
have
better
data
for
sure
in
Q3
and
2024.
V
Okay,
perfect
thanks
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
as
elected
representatives
that
we
use
valid
data
to
inform
our
decisions.
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
making
decisions
based
on
anecdotes,
so
I'm
happy
to
wait
till
2024
and
happy
to
support
the
Gower
motion.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
Thank
you,
Amir
I'm,
certainly
willing
to
share
a
few
thoughts
on
this
matter
in
River
Ward.
My
residents
are
very
mixed
on
this
matter.
We
are
absolutely
in
a
housing
and
homelessness
emergency.
Almost
every
delegation
that
counselor
kits
low
and
I
had
with
ministers
in
government
this
week
or
mpps
in
opposition
at
the
Amo
conference.
At
some
point
we
discussed
housing
and
homelessness,
the
ongoing
challenges
and
the
need
for
greater
focused
on
being
Solutions
oriented.
J
Are
we
truly
maximizing
every
single
tool
to
address
housing
and
homelessness?
I,
don't
think
we
are.
Are
we
allocating
sufficient
resources
in
our
own
budget
to
address
this
matter?
I,
don't
think
we
are.
Are
we
leveraging
as
many
Partnerships
and
resources
from
other
levels
of
government
or
Community
Partners
to
address
this
matter?
I,
don't
think
we've
we
come
close
at
all.
J
Councilor
troster
talked
about
a
levy,
I
think
there's
actually
an
argument
to
be
made
for
a
greater
discussion
on
this
matter.
If
this
is
truly
one
of
our
top
priorities
that
we
as
a
council
said,
we
need
to
focus
on
given
the
impacts
that
we
have,
then
we
need
to
discuss
this
as
part
of
our
budget
process
on
principle.
J
J
Does
a
government
have
the
right
to
tell
people
how
to
use
their
homes,
I
think
the
vet
over
the
the
vacant
unit
tax
oversteps?
What
I
consider
to
be
reasonable?
What's
next
I
have
a
four
bedroom
home?
Not
all
four
bedrooms
are
used,
should
I
be
taxed
because
I'm
not
using
my
bedrooms
to
their
fully
potential
in
River
Ward.
We
have
two
particular
neighborhoods
that
were
built
right
at
the
end
of
World
War
II,
with
huge
lots.
J
J
Many
many
priorities
in
this
city
and
when
I
see
federal
government
officials
in
the
news
last
night,
when
I
came
home
in
Charlottetown,
saying
and
they're
quoted
we're
not
going
to
see
any
significance
to
housing
for
at
least
three
years
across
this
country
because
of
all
the
issues.
High
interest
rates,
the
cost
of
construction,
the
challenges
for
construction
materials.
That's
a
very,
very
huge
concern
for
me.
So
for
all
the
reasons
stated,
I
want
to
see
people
living
in
homes,
not
in
shelters,
not
on
the
street
wraparound
services.
J
The
question
is:
is
the
vacant
unit
tax?
The
right
way
to
get
there
I
have
a
huge
issue
in
US
telling
people
how
to
use
their
homes.
I
just
think
it's
wrong
to
do
that,
and
yet
I
take
criticism,
because
it
looks
like
I'm
anti
I'm
not
wanting
to
help
solve
this.
This
crisis
that
we
have-
and
nothing
could
be
further
from
the
truth.
J
L
Cool
so
as
also
a
resident
with
with
a
council
with
the
shelter
issue
in
her
Ward
I
think
we
need
all
the
tools
in
our
toolbox
to
help
solve
this
ongoing
crisis
that
many
cities
are
facing,
whether
that
be
the
creation
of
an
acquisition
fund,
whether
that
be
a
vacant
unit
tax,
anything
to
get
people
into
housing
and
have
some
dignity.
That
being
said,
I'd
like
to
see
if
I
can
do
a
direction
to
staff
and
I
have
an
issue
with
brownfields.
L
O
Mr
Mayor
happy
to
sound
meet
with
you,
counselor
the
eve,
the
report.
The
brownfield's
report
is
part
of
a
larger
single
report
on
the
CIP
review.
So
it's
not
ready
yet,
but
we
can
certainly
discuss
the
you
know
the
directions
and
what
what
the
results
of
our
review
have
been
to
date.
W
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
and
thank
you
to
all
my
colleagues
who
brought
forward
motions
on
this
today.
I
will
be
supporting
the
replacement
motion.
I
hope
that
we
can
reaffirm
Council
support
for
this
program.
I
have
a
quick
clarification
based
on
some
of
the
discussion.
I
heard
today,
around
granny
Suites.
Perhaps
we
can
just
clarify
here-
is
a
granny
Suite
in
someone's
home
subject
to
the
beauty,
with
current
regulations.
N
Mr
Mayor,
the
distinction
is
made
by
impact,
so
impact
has
a
very
variety
of
sorry,
a
variety
of
codes
where
they
kind
of
distinguish
the
different
types
of
home.
So
they
set
that
code.
If
there's
confusion
there
was
it's
been
misused.
I
think
that's
where
we
as
staff,
are
really
we're
there
to
support
the
resident
and
support
them
through
that
process.
To
get
that
correct,
so
impact
sets
the
code
which
defines
whether
it's
a
second
dwelling
in
the
house
or
not.
W
W
I
just
wanted
to
raise
caution
and
just
seek
a
bit
of
clarification
around
that,
therefore
be
it
resolved
in
the
replacement
motion
that
seeks
to
consider
reducing
the
frequency
of
reporting
of
the
vut,
so
I
believe
that
the
effect
of
the
effectiveness
of
this
program
is
predicated
on
the
fact
that
it
is
annual
reporting
that
Cadence
provides
consistency
to
the
public
and
it
will
become
routine
I.
Think
that
if
we
we
move
towards,
you
know
a
bi-annual
or
every
three
years
or
every
five
years,
as
I
heard.
W
One
of
my
colleagues
say
I
think
that
people
would
be
more
inclined
to
forget
that
we'll
actually
see
a
lower
response
rate,
more
late,
finds,
issued
and
likely
more
appeals.
It
could
also
be
potentially
more
punitive.
So
let's
say
you
didn't
know
that
there
was
a
vacant
unit
tax,
two
or
three
years
go
by,
and
then
we
retroactively
provide
them
with
a
bill
of
two
or
three
years
of
vacancy,
and
that
would
be
a
huge
bill.
The
intent
of
this
program
is
also
to
return
vacant
units
to
the
market.
W
If
we
wait
five
years
on
reporting,
that's
five
years
that
we've
missed
out
on
returning
a
unit
to
the
market,
so
I
think
we
need
to
consider
that
before
reducing
frequency
of
reporting,
obviously
the
one
benefit
of
this
program
is
we
get
more
funding
for
affordable
housing
from
the
capital
side
again,
if
we
reduce
the
frequency
of
reporting
that
money
will
be
delayed
in
coming
to
the
city.
W
So
I
just
want
to
raise
that
caution,
but
when
that
comes
back
next
year
and
I
just
want
to
see
clarification,
so
do
staff
interpret
that
Clause
that
they
must
come
back
and
recommend
to
council
options
for
reducing
the
frequency,
or
is
there
enough
flexibility
in
that
Clause
that
if,
if
that's
problematic
or
it
doesn't
make
sense-
or
it's
going
to
reduce
the
effectiveness
of
this
program,
do
you
have
the
flexibility
to
recommend
no
changes
to
this
program?
Based
on
this
motion.
N
B
X
You
mayor
I,
appreciate
all
of
the
the
input
from
my
colleagues
here,
so
we
tell
people
what
to
do
with
their
their
homes
all
the
time
it's
one
of
the
unfortunate
burdens
of
power
of
being
an
elected
official
is
that
we
have
to
draw
lines
of
what
people
can
and
cannot
do
and
oftentimes.
That
means
drawing
lines
literally
on
their
property,
telling
them
what
they
can
and
cannot
do
it,
their
driveway
or
their
lawn
or
whether
or
not
they
can
operate
a
business,
and
it
makes
us
very
unpopular
at
times.
X
I
recognize
that
my
email
inbox,
as
with
all
of
ours,
have
been
full
of
people
expressing
very
strong
and
critical
positions
on
this,
but
and
I
just
want
to.
Thank
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
my
colleague,
counselor
Hubley,
for
the
honesty
and
transparency
he
demonstrated
in
his
comments
when
he
spoke
to
his
experience
in
handling
this
debate.
Most
of
us
have
already
made
a
decision
on
where
we're
going
to
stand
on.
X
This
I
will
be
supporting
the
Gower
motion,
because
I
believe
that
the
Amendments
it
6
is
to
improve
a
program
that
is
serving
the
public
good.
The
housing
crisis
is
by
far
our
number
one
responsibility
right
now,
and
this
is
one
tool
that
is
proving
to
be
irksome
to
many,
but
is
absolutely
serving
the
public
good.
And
what
I
appreciate
about
counselor
hubley's
comments
is
that,
whereas
most
of
us
are
clearly
on
one
side
of
the
fence
sounds
very
hugely
demonstrated
that
he
is
sitting
on
the
fence
and
unsure.
X
But
what
I
appreciate
about
what
he
said
was
that,
rather
than
respond
more
to
the
critical
emails
that
he
and
we
all
are
getting
he's
more
willing
to
play
out
this
experiment
and
see
where
it
leads
and
I
just
appreciate
that
transparency
and
willingness
to
Bear
the
brunt
of
more
criticism.
For
the
sake
of
seeing
where
this
leads
us
in
the
anticipation
that
it
will
serve
the
public
good
to
Great.
It's
a
great
product.
So
thank
you.
Councilor
Hubler
I
will
be
supporting
the
Gower
motion.
B
H
So
I
I
am
a
full-throated
supporter
of
the
vacant
unit
tax
in
hintenburg
community
members
have
taken
a
look
and
figure
out
that
as
many
as
two
percent
of
units
are
sitting
vacant
and
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
those
units
are
units
that
were
being
used
as
affordable
housing
prior
to
being
purchased
by
speculators,
who
are
able
to
use
the
master
Nations
at
the
the
board
to
evict
tenants
and
then
sit
on
the
land
until
they're,
ready
to
start
redeveloping
it
and,
and
that's
the
dynamic
that
is,
is
unacceptable
to
the
residents
of
kitchissippi.
H
The
it
is
wildly
I
think
premature
to
think
about
scrapping
the
vacant
unit
attacks.
We
really
don't
understand
what
effect
it's
going
to
have
in
the
marketplace.
Not
only
would
I
hope
that
it
puts
units
back
into
the
market,
but
I
hope
that
the
existence
of
the
vacant
unit
tax
is
actually
serving
as
a
disincentive
to
take,
take
part
or
or
engage
in
those
kinds
of
speculative
behaviors.
Maybe
knowing
that
there
is
a
vacant
unit.
H
H
I
do
have
one
question,
though:
residents
who
are
concerned
about
the
potential
loss
of
the
vacant
unit
tax
have
also
expressed
concern
to
me
that
a
the
replacement
motion
May
reduce
wind
up,
reducing
the
frequency
of
Declaration
and
I'm
concerned
about
that
too,
is
it
open
if
residents
in
a
community
are
concerned
that
a
a
building
may
be
sitting
vacant
and
should
be
subject
to
the
vacant
unit
attacks?
N
N
If
you're,
specifically,
if
we
extend
the
Declaration
to
a
bi-annual
three
or
five
year
cycle,
then
obviously
that
risk
is
is
wider
because
now
you're
not
declaring
in
an
annual
cycle
you're
declaring
less
frequently,
but
we
would
have
to
kind
of
reevaluate
our
audit
function
to
see
if
we
can
kind
of
deter
or
flush
down
those
those
that
fall
into
the
non-compliant
in
those
two
three
year,
Windows
depending
on
the
iterations
or
the
cycle
that
we
choose
to
go
forward
with.
If
that
makes
sense,
is.
H
N
H
It
is
a
concern
to
mind
that,
even
though
that's
not
what
we're
doing
today,
we
are
sending
staff
away
with
direction
if
we
pass
the
Gower
motion
to
explore.
A
reduced
frequency
and
I'm
not
actually
worried
about
the
yearly
frequency.
The
numbers
that
we
saw
with
respect
to
successfully
declaring
are
very
high,
they're
above
our
Municipal
peers
across
the
country.
My
office
was
not
flooded
with
problems
on
Declaration
I've
heard
great
things
about
staff's
ability
to
help.
H
H
So,
while
I
understand
that
there
may
be
a
political
desire
to
reduce
that
frequency
of
Declaration
I'm
looking
forward
to
delving
into
those
numbers
at
the
at
the
appropriate
time,
because
I
am
concerned
that
reducing
the
frequency
of
Declaration
will
result
in
more
properties,
sitting
uncaught
for
a
longer
time,
unless
there
is
some
kind
of
a
mechanism
whereby
residents
can
ensure
that
the
appropriate
attention
is
being
paid.
So
no
I
think
it's
it's
premature.
Today
we
don't
know
what
effect
this
is
having
in
the
in
the
marketplace.
H
It
has
not
even
been
what
nine
months
since
the
Declarations
were
first
opened.
We
need
to
give
this
some
time.
Let's
have
a
different
conversation
next
year,
but
let's
give
this
vacant.
You
know
tax
a
chance
to
address
the
problems
it's
intended
to
address.
Thank
you,
chair.
M
Mr
Mayor
I
actually
first
have
a
question
for
staff,
about
the
replacement
motion
and
and
I
want
to
clarify
too
that
you
know
from
the
very
beginning.
I
I've
been
opposed
to
the
tax,
but
it
was
always
because
I
did
not
believe
that
the
owners
should
be
put
on
a
residence
to
self-declare,
whether
it's
a
year
or
every
couple
of
years.
M
The
fact
is
is
that
we
should
have
the
tools
in
our
toolbox
in
this
day
and
age,
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
identify
those
who
are
taking
advantage
of
the
system,
foreign
speculators,
those
who
are
sitting
on
properties,
not
turning
them
over
for
profit.
We
should
be
able
to
identify
those
and
not
catch.
M
They
were
late
in
their
fee
filing
and
you
didn't
have
to
pay
the
250
this
year,
but
they
will
next
year
we're
going
to
hear
about
that
so
just
sort
of
prepared,
but
my
my
question
is
I
was
happy
to
see
in
the
replacement
motion
that
there's
going
to
be
further
looking
into
how
to
provide
you
know
open
open
abilities
for
people
to
do
it
online
and
things
like
that.
I,
don't
see
a
single
thing
in
that
motion
that
specifically
exams
Farmers
or
seniors.
M
So
the
last
therefore
be
resolved
specifically
says
that
new
properties
and
I'm
paraphrasing
so
forgive
me,
but
that
new
new
properties,
new
units
that
open
up
for
a
year
will
be
exempt
and
the
only
people
that
I
can
think
about
that
are
opening
up
new
properties.
Building
properties
are
people
in
the
development
community,
so
maybe
I'm
confused
by
that.
Maybe
staff
can
clarify
what
is
your
interpretation,
because
it
will
be
you
that
interprets
this
replacement
motion
as
to
who
actually
benefits
from
that
last
there
for
be
resolved.
C
N
Mayor,
if
I
look
at
the
I'll
go
one
back
to
the
be
it
further
resolved.
I.
Think
for
me,
my
direction
to
Joseph
and
the
team
is
explore
all
things
that
kind
of
fall
into
that
that
stream
so
I'm
just
again
speculating
here.
It
could
be
a
scenario
where
you
know
annual
declarations
might
make
sense
for
a
certain
stream,
but
there
could
be
other
data
points
like
Farmers
farming
units
may
not
so
I.
Think
for
us
as
we
go
away,
take
this
away
and
do
this
work
I!
M
So
I
appreciate
that
Cyril
and
I
I
want
to
just
State
and
then
I'll
finish
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to
counselor
Gower.
You
know
from
the
very
beginning
of
this
I
said,
find
those
exemptions
make
it.
So
it's
not
on
our
residence.
You
know.
If
we're
going
to
tax
them,
then
we
should
be
straight
out
honest
about
it.
You
know.
M
The
fact
is
is
that
the
administrative
system
is
broken,
it's
failed
and
it's
catching
the
wrong
people
and
it's
not
micro,
targeting
those
who
are
actually
breaking
the
rules-
and
you
know
I
I
purposely
wanted
us
to
have
this
conversation
before
we.
We
were
too
far
down
the
path
to
be
able
to
turn
back
and
I'm.
Glad
we're
having
this
discussion
today
and
I.
Think
it's
it's
Folsom,
especially
those
who
are
new
to
this
term
of
council
that
didn't
have
the
opportunity.
Last
start,
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
replacement
motion.
M
I
Mr
Mayor
we've
covered
a
lot
here
today.
99.1
percent
of
property
owners
completed
a
declaration.
That's
333
800,
who
made
a
declaration
before
the
deadline.
3
000
people
did
not
that's
an
incredible
incredible
rate
of
success
for
a
year.
One
of
a
program
like
this
there
have
been
a
couple
mentions
about
the
burden
on
certain
demographics,
including
seniors.
My
understanding
from
City
staff
is
they
have
done
some
investigation
and
surveys
into
different
demographic
groups
and
how
they
responded.
I
I
The
benefits
of
this
again
10.5
million
dollars
projected
in
net
revenues
for
affordable
housing.
We
have
seen
properties
returned
to
Market
that
have
been
bacon
for
years.
We
have
seen
demolition
of
derelict
buildings,
we
don't
know
the
quantity,
yet
we
don't
know
how
much
of
that
can
be
attributed
to
vacant
unit.
Tax
I've
seen
some
of
those
in
my
word
and
I
expect
as
we
continue
this
over
the
next
two
or
three
years,
we'll
have
a
better
sense
of
the
effect
it's
having
more
people
moving
to
paperless
Billings.
I
Some
administrative
help
there
too,
and
an
important
one
that
hasn't
come
up
today
is
data.
We
now
have
for
the
first
time
Ward
by
Ward
data
about
occupancy
tenants
versus
owners
in
all
sorts
of
different
housing
types
like
I've,
never
seen
a
stat
like
that.
I
know
for
Stittsville.
These
are
preliminary
numbers,
but
about
a
third
of
all
town
homes
are
rented
and
overall
15
percent
of
homes
in
Statesville
are
rented.
That's
really
important
data
Citywide,
as
we
start
to
develop
other
policies
and
other
initiatives
to
tackle
our
housing
crisis.
I
So
a
lot
of
benefits
to
this
program.
It's
pretty
rare
that
we
develop
a
policy
and
program
that
has
an
immediate
effect
on
policy
goals
in
this
case
the
most
important
priority
for
Council,
which
is
a
housing
crisis.
So
thank
counselors
for
the
discussion
today
and
I
hope.
You'll
support.
My
motion
thanks
Mr
Mayor
thank.
B
Y
D
E
O
F
H
G
B
Okay,
thank
you.
The
replacement
motion
is
carried.
Thank
you
again.
Everyone
for
the
discussion
on
that.
Moving
on
to
item
16.3,
which
is
motion
introduced
to
the
previous
council
meeting
by
councilor
Carr
on
midterm
governance
committee
and
board
workload,
workload,
support
I,
believe
there
is
a
revised
motion.
Counselor
car.
V
B
Can
just
does
it
need
to
be
read
out,
you
could
just
speak
to
it.
V
No,
that's
good
I'll,
be
that
we
didn't,
then
I'll
speak
to
it.
If
that's
okay,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
city
council
direct
the
city
clerk
to
include
the
following
matters
relating
to
standing
committee
and
board
governance
as
part
of
the
20
22
to
2026
midterm
governance
review
process,
a
review
of
additional
support
provided
to
leadership
roles
such
as
committee
and
board
chairs
and
Ward
position.
V
Specific
appointments,
as
described
in
this
motion,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
reviewing
current
levels
and
allocation
of
funding
and
reviewing
proposed
approaches
that
would
provide
for
committee,
Vice
chairs
and
our
award
position.
Specific
appointments
to
receive
additional
support
and
recognition
of
increased
workload,
and
that
members
of
council
continue
to
be
consulted
regarding
their
committee
and
board
workload
and
the
amendments
to
committee,
membership
and
or
potential
production
in
the
size
of
committees
be
considered.
Should
members
raise
workload,
concerns
yeah,
so
I'll
just
speak
to
this
quickly.
V
At
the
time
that
I
was
appointed
to
a
committees
and
boards.
At
the
beginning
of
my
term,
I
wasn't
fully
aware
that
boards
came
with,
for
example,
all
the
subcommittees
that
they
come
with.
I
was
and
continued
to
be
absolutely
honored.
That
I
was
selected
for
the
boards
and
committees.
V
That
I
was
as
somebody
who
cares
passionately
about
social
justice,
homelessness
issues,
the
opioid
crisis
to
be
on
the
Ottawa
Public
Health,
Board,
Ottawa,
Police,
Services,
Board,
Ottawa,
Community,
Housing,
board
Community
Services
Community,
for
example,
is
is
a
tremendous
honor
and
something
that
I
I
definitely
feel
fulfilled
about
and
when
I
was
appointed
to
all
of
those
committees.
I.
Remember
speaking
to
my
colleagues
in
particular
counselor
plant
and
counselor
truster.
That
said,
you
have
a
big
workload
and
I.
You
know
I,
remember
saying
to
them
yeah,
but
I.
V
Don't
have
the
automatic
board
appointments
that
you
guys
do
with
respect
to
the
Bia
appointments.
I.
Think
one
of
you
gets
five
automatic
board
appointments.
The
other
one
gets
three
automatic
board.
Appointments
outside
of
this
process
and
I
I
certainly
don't
have
the,
for
example.
The
the
bylaw
statistics
that
come
out
of
those
two
boards
so
as
time
has
gone
on
and
I
I
I
looked
at
and
begun
to
wonder
if
I
certainly
respect
that
we
we
had
a
motion
that
was
performed.
V
I
think
it
was
from
councilor
Kavanaugh
last
term
that
50
of
board
boarding
commission
positions
should
be
considered
to
have
gender
equity
on
them
with
nine
women.
It
can
make
it
very
difficult.
We've
got
a
bit
of
an
imbalance,
sometimes
I,
think
in
in
the
fact
that
we've
mandated
work
for
women
to
do-
and
you
know
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
budget
that
we
are
assigned
is
it.
It
can
be
significant
when
you
don't
have.
V
The
the
additional
supports
are
only
offered
to
board
chairs
in
terms
of
budgets,
they're
not
offered
for
the
depth
and
breadth
of
assignments
and
other
Ward
specific
factors.
V
So
all
I'm
asking
for
is
that
during
midterm
governance
that
we
perhaps
take
a
look
at
some
of
these,
how
we
we
give
compensation
and
what
we
deem
to
be
the
extra
workload
I,
think
that
maybe
it's
not
just
been
a
chair,
that's
important,
but
in
terms
of
the
depth
and
breadth
of
responsibilities
that
may
be
a
little
bit
more
award-specific
or
that
maybe
in
terms
of
board
and
commission
appointments
that
well
we're
looking
at
the
compensation
motion
that
was
put
forward
previously
by
councilors,
Brown
and
troster,
that
we
also
consider
these
factors
as
well.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr
is
the
motion
carried.
B
Thank
you.
Next
is
a
motion
from
counselor
Hughley
on
the
Municipal
elections,
act,
review
and
I
understand.
There's
a
revision
to
this
as
well.
Counselors
thank.
R
You
Mr
Mayor
for
Tori
Wright
I
will
just
go
to
the
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
city
council
requests
that
the
ministry
and
Municipal
Affairs
and
Housing
review
the
Municipal
elections
act
to
provide
Clarity
on
regarding
who's
responsible
for
the
enforcement
of
contraventions
of
the
third
party
advertising
Provisions
B.
Consider
the
adjudication
and
investigation
of
complaints
made
during
the
campaign
period.
R
Two
in
the
absence
of
an
enforcement
Network
framework,
add
an
opt-out
provision
allowing
municipalities
to
determine
if
third-party
advertising
is
to
be
permitted
in
their
Municipal
elections.
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I.
Don't
think
I
need
to
speak
to
that
I
think
it.
It
says
the
intent
I
think
everybody
around
the
table
knows
what
we're
trying
to
protect
ourselves
against
in
the
future.
J
Thanks
mayor,
just
a
quick
Point,
since
this
is
a
letter
writing
campaign
and
I
know
where
you
stand
on
on
those
types
of
campaigns.
I
think
it's
important.
If
I
was
in
the
ministry
and
I
received
basically
a
letter
that
said,
Ottawa
Council
passed
this
motion.
We
need
to
better
articulate
what
the
problems
or
challenges
that
may
exist.
That
I
think
this
motion
is
trying
to
address
so
when
it
talks
about
spending
limits
or
who
can
be
engaged.
J
What
exactly
are
the
issues
that
Council
wants
to
see
addressed,
and
so,
if
this
motion
is
passed
and
if
a
copy
of
the
motion
is
provided,
I'm
suggesting
the
letter
go
into
detail
and
try
and
provide
some
examples
that
exist,
that
is
the
Genesis
for
this
motion,
because
I
don't
think
the
motion
goes
into
those
details.
Emotion,
isn't
the
place
where
you
put
all
these
details
in,
but
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
for
the
ministry
to
receive.
Thank
you.
B
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I
I
get
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
subject
overall,
that
probably
municipalities
across
Ontario
are
saying
the
same
thing:
I'm
almost
certain
they
are,
but
I
I
would
like
to
have
a
separate
vote
on
on
number
two,
because
I
don't
feel
that
we
should
be
going
our
own
way.
I
think
that
we
should
be
consistent
with
other
municipalities,
so
I'd
like
that,
make
that
a
separate
vote.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
Do
you
want
to
do
you
want
people
just
Express
dissent
on
that?
If
is
that
easier,
rather
than
having
a
full
vote
on
it?
Are
you
okay
with
that?
Okay,
so
is
the
motion
carriage
and
does
anyone
who
wants
to
dissent
on
the
entire
motion?
Does
anybody
want
to
dissent
on
the
entire
motion?
No,
does
anybody
want
a
dissent
on
on
item
two,
so
counselor
Kavanaugh,
Menard,
counselor,
troster,
Divine,
honestly.
D
B
L
Right,
correct
yeah:
it's
just
that,
therefore
be
a
result.
So
I'll
read
that
it
says,
therefore,
be
it
and
again.
I
do
want
to
thank
Clara
for
all
your
help
in
both
drafting
this
and
coming
up
with
the
therefore
be
it
resolved.
I
really
appreciate
it.
We
all
know
that
people
deserve
housing.
They
deserve
a
door.
They
deserve
dignity
and
shelters,
do
not
provide
that.
L
So
therefore
be
resolved,
that
staff
be
directed
to
analyze
the
structural
factors
preventing
emergency
shelter
stays
from
achieving
less
than
30
days
in
report
back
to
council
before
the
long-range
financial
plan
is
table
so
that
informs
the
latter
and
ultimately
informs
budget
2024.
Z
B
But
it
is
something
we
are
already
doing.
Okay
is
the
motion
carried
okay
item,
16.6
again
call
say
a
plant.
L
Oh
I
see
I,
see
I'll,
read
that
there
for
people,
okay,
yeah
yeah,
so
I'm,
just
going
to
read
the
16.5
and
I'm
going
to
reread
16.6
is
that
okay
yeah.
L
Sorry,
it's
just
okay,
therefore
be
res.
L
Z
L
B
B
P
B
Thank
you,
councilor
troster,
just
for
the
record,
I
understand
counselor
Devine,
intended
to
dissent
on
the
entire
hugely
motion,
so
we'll
just
amend
the
record
to
show
that.
Thank
you.
B
We
also
have
a
motion
from
counselor
Kelly
on
a
road
closure
as
well,
so
we
have
one
downtown
and
one
rural
real
closer
to
consider.
Go
ahead,
just
mention
the
rules
is
that
carried
very,
very.
B
Y
Journey
great
thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I'm,
just
going
to
speak
to
it
briefly
back
in
2018,
just
a
history
lesson.
We
went
over
a
population
of
a
million,
so
we
got
a
designated
seat
since
I've
been
elected,
I've
had
the
privilege
of
being
elected
to
table
officer.
It
now
leaves
the
vacancy
open.
Y
So
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
Council
appoint
Lane
Johnson
as
the
city
of
ottawa's
Representative
to
the
fcm
board
of
directors
for
the
period
starting
August,
2023
and
ending
August
2024,
and
be
a
further
resolved
that
the
city
of
Ottawa
assumes
all
costs
associated
with
the
council,
appointed
Representatives
attending
fcm's
board
of
directors
meeting
and
funded
from
the
council
administrative
budget.
So
now
we
have
two
people
from
the
city
of
Ottawa
on
fcm.
So
congratulations!
B
I
Gower,
okay,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
Council
appoint
the
following
members
of
council
as
the
council
liaison
representatives
for
older
adults,
councilor,
Kavanaugh
and
counselor
Hubli.
Is
that.
B
V
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
whereas
in
keeping
with
the
city's
commitment
to
accountability
and
transparency,
the
overarching
principle
of
the
routine
disclosure
and
active
dissemination
policy
is
to
advance
The
View.
That
information
held
by
the
city
of
Ottawa
should
be
made
available
to
the
public
and
any
exceptions
to
this
principle
should
be
limited
and
specific.
And
whereas
on
December,
8
2010
city
council
approved
the
2010
to
2014
governance,
review
report
and
established
the
practice
of
disclosing
the
individual
office.
V
Expenses
for
members
of
city
council,
including
business
related
travel
on
the
city's
website,
in
the
spirit
of
accountability
and
transparency,
and
whereas
the
senior
leadership
team
being
the
general
manager
and
the
city
manager
similarly
discloses
your
office
expenses,
including
business
related
travel
on
the
city
website.
But
business
related
travel
for
the
extended
senior
leadership
team,
which
includes
managers
and
directors,
is
not
proactively
disclosed
and
whereas
total
travel
expenses
for
the
current
extended
senior
leadership,
team,
totaled,
63
111
dollars
in
2022.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
Carr,
another
notice
of
motion
from
concierge
plant
on
the
Franco
Ontarian
flag.
AA
AA
As
part
of
the
city
of
Ottawa,
Montreal
Road,
revitalization
Project
we're
supporting
this
is
initiative.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
council
declared
flagpole
to
be
the
very
first
official
flag
bone
exclusively
and
permanently
displaying
the
Franco
Ontarian
flag
on
the
Montreal
Road
in
the
heart
of
veni
once
more.
Thank
you.
B
G
L
And
I
also
before
I
begin
I
just
want
to
thank
councilor
King
for
seconding.
This
motion.
G
B
L
And
again,
I
want
to
thank
councilor
derush.
We
had
a
quick
conversation
about
this,
as
I
was
browsing.
The
minutes
of
other
city
councils
for
the
opioid
situation
in
my
word,
I
noticed
that
they
allowed
counselors
to
make
public
statements.
You
know
congratulating
someone
in
their
Ward
congratulating
a
team,
so
this
is
in
that
Spirit,
whereas
the
Ontario
Ministry
of
Municipal
Affairs
and
Housing
publication
titled,
the
Ontario
Municipal
counselor's
guide
recognizes
that
counselors
have
three
main
roles
to
play
as
a
in
a
city,
a
representative,
a
policy
maker
and
a
steward.
L
The
representative
role,
as
outlined
in
the
above
noted
Ministry
guide,
whereas
in
keeping
with
tradition
city
council
is
expected
to
review
and
make
adjustments
to
its
government
practices
in
2024
through
the
midterm.
Governance
review,
therefore,
being
resolved
at
city
council
direct
the
city
clerk
to
undertake
a
jurisdictional
scan
of
the
practice
of
counselor
statements,
consult
with
members
of
council
and
report
back
on
findings
of
any
Associated
recommendations
as
part
of
2022-26
midterm
governance.
Review.
L
One
I
swear
thanks
again
to
councilor
Brown
who
seconded
this
motion,
and
we've
had
also
conversations
about
this.
Whereas
the
city
of
Ottawa
was
procurement
by
law.
Number
2050
as
amended,
provides
a
non-competitive
contracts
commonly
known
as
sole
source
contracts
to
be
awarded
to
certain
circumstances
and
was
with
respect
to
the
reporting
to
Council
of
non-competitive
contracts.
Subsection
39
of
the
procurement
bylaw
provides
that
the
chief
procurement
officer
shall
submit
to
council
and
information
report.
B
A
motion
to
introduce
bylaws,
councilor
Gower.
D
J
August
16
2023
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting
planning
services
staff
indicated
that
they
had
one
meeting
with
representatives
from
the
NCC
aafc
and
possibly
other
entities
to
discuss
the
experimental
firm
would
staff.
Please
provide
counsel
with
a
memo
outlining
the
Mandate
or
overall
objectives
of
this
group,
including
whether
the
discussion
includes
pending
development
around
the
perimeter
of
the
firm
Shadow
mitigation
and
ideal
Heights
of
buildings
to
reduce
shadows
and
protect
Prime,
Agricultural
and
research
lands.
Thank
you.
B
AB
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
and
I
have
to
say
that
it's
pretty
difficult
to
get
something
past
the
city
clerk,
because
we
couldn't
add
this
to
the
agenda
today,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
say
a
few
remarks
and
Rick
I'm
going
to
try
and
look
at
you
while
I
speak,
but
I
want
to
take
the
opportunity
this
morning
or
this
afternoon
to
thank
you,
our
city
clerk,
for
your
tremendous
support
and
contributions
to
the
city
of
Ottawa
over
the
last
35
years.
They've
been
just
simply
tremendous.
AB
You
know:
you've
dedicated
your
entire
career
to
Municipal
service,
and
you
have
been
a
true
champion
in
terms
of
transparency,
accountability
and
open
government
throughout
your
tenure.
You
never
let
go
of
that,
and
that
is
who
you
are
here
at
the
city.
You've
strengthened
our
accountability,
our
transparency,
you've
spearheaded
the
development
of
council's
accountability
framework,
including
the
lobbyist
registry,
the
employee
code
of
conduct
and
routine
and
proactive
disclosure
policies.
AB
Rick.
You
are
widely
regarded
as
an
expert
in
Municipal
conflict
of
interest.
You've
made
a
positive
impact
of
over
the
entire
province
of
Ontario
and
I,
say
that
and
I
probably
say
that
it's
more
than
the
province
of
Ontario,
where
you've
made
that
impact.
You
are
highly
regarded
by
your
colleagues
across
the
province,
everybody
who
I
run
into
who
knows,
you
tells
me
how
fabulous
you
are
and
what
you
have
done
for
that
community
of
Clerks
across
the
province
and
they're.
AB
AB
I
know
you're
going
to
be
missed
by
your
team.
Your
exceptional
leadership,
your
candor,
your
in-depth
knowledge,
your
mentorship
and
I
know
when
I
speak
for
the
entire
senior
leadership
team,
we
are
going
to
miss
you
immensely
your
wise
counsel,
your
steadfast
guidance,
your
mentoring,
your
coaching,
your
expert
advice
and,
of
course,
your
witty
sense
of
humor.
AB
I
B
AC
Good
afternoon
bonjour,
my
name
is
Kendra
titley
and
I
will
be
your
moderator,
Jama,
pelkendra
titley,
Asia,
Serena,
mattress,
disappointed.
Press
I
will
now
invite
each
agency
in
alphabetical
order
to
ask
their
questions.
You
may
ask
one
question
with
a
follow-up:
Ultra
alphabetic
Jane
Vietnam
organisms.
AC
AC
Just
to
to
repeat
with
the
departure
of
the
previous
city
manager,
why
did
Council
make
the
decision
on
this
current
decision
and
how
did
the
LRT
overshadow
the
decision.
B
B
We
interviewed
candidates
from
three
different
countries
and
we
chose
the
the
person
who's,
the
absolute
best
person
for
the
job
and
on
your
second
question,
I
would
say
that
increasing
trust
and
accountability
and
transparency
is
an
enormous
priority
for
me
and
I
think
you've
seen
evidence
of
that
already,
as
we've
followed
the
recommendations
of
the
public
inquiry
with
regard
to
the
light
rail
system,
we've
we've
been
much
more
transparent,
with
Daily
News
briefings
when
the
system
wasn't
running
and
I
know
that
it's
a
priority
for
Wendy
as
well,
and
we
spoke
about
it
during
the
interview
process
about
the
need
to
restore
trust
in
city
services,
including
Light,
Rail
and
and
I
know.
B
That's
a
commitment
that
that
Wendy
is
making
and
I
believe
that
we
will
increase
trust
through
more
transparency
and
by
delivering
more
reliable
services
to
the
people
of
Ottawa
and
I
know
Wendy
shares
that
objective.
AB
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I'll
Echo.
The
mayor's
comments
in
terms
of
when
I
went
through
the
process.
I
talked
about
how
important
it
was
to
restore
trust
not
only
with
our
residents
but
also
with
Council
as
well
and
I
sort
of
it's.
It's
really
a
three-pronged
approach
for
myself.
It
is
about
increased
transparency,
it's
also
about
really
good
communication
and
then,
as
the
mayor
said,
as
well
around
providing
that
service
to
our
residents
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
without
doing
all
of
those
three
things.
AB
B
I
stand
by
what
I've
said
all
along
and
I'll
I'll
emphasize
that
I
am
in
favor
of
creating
more
green
space
in
our
city,
I'm
in
favor
of
creating
more
complete
streets
like
Churchill
Avenue,
where
there
is
room
for
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
motorists
I'm
in
favor
of
creating
more
space
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians.
I'm
really
excited
about
the
Chief
William
command,
a
bridge
which
is
an
excellent
example
of
infrastructure
in
our
community,
which
does
not
take
away
from
anything.
It
enhances
space
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians.
B
I've
run
across
that
bridge,
probably
15
times
already
in
the
time
that
it's
been
open,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
all
these
spaces,
I
think
I
think
there
has
unfortunately
become
a
bit
of
a
you
know:
cars
versus
bicycle
element
to
this
discussion.
It's
not
about
that
at
all
I'm.
In
favor
of
creating
space
for
cyclists.
The
discussion
is
about
a
two
kilometer
stretch
of
road.
The
discussion
is
about.
Where
is
the
best
place,
to
create
more
space
for
cyclists,
Once
Upon,
a
Time,
you
know,
maybe
five.
B
There
was
room
for
cars.
There
was
room
for
cyclists.
There
was
room
for
pedestrians
on
that
particular
two
kilometer
stretch
between
Pretoria
bridge
and
Fifth
Avenue.
It's
one
of
the
only
routes
through
that
area.
So
it's
very
problematic
if
it's
closed,
particularly
during
peak
times,
I
come
back
to
the
fact
that
the
NCC
and
I
agree
that
sometimes
the
road
should
be
open
to
everyone.
Motorists
cyclists,
pedestrians.
Sometimes
the
road
should
be
closed
to
vehicles.
B
I
agree
that
on
weekends,
maybe
in
the
evenings
on
holidays
I
got
no
problem
with
it
being
closed.
All
we
disagree
about
is
the
exact
schedule
I
happen
to
think
during
peak
times
like
rush
hour
and
when
there's
major
events
at
Lansdowne
or
in
the
Glebe,
it
should
be
closed
to
Vehicles.
They
think
it
should
be
Oakland.
B
So
this
is
not
a
big
difference
of
opinion.
It's
about
a
very
specific
stretch
of
road
and
and
so
in
terms
of
the
data
collection.
I
stand
by
the
city
of
ottawa's
data,
which
was
collected,
was
collected
effectively
and
I.
I
would
ask
the
NCC
why
we
have.
There
has
not
been
more
cooperation
on
this.
The
NCC
approached
us
initially
and
asked
our
opinion
about
closing
the
road.
B
We
advised
that
we
thought
it
would
be
problematic
for
traffic
in
the
Glebe
and
it
has
been
and
they
went
ahead
and
closed
it
anyway
and
that's
part
of
what's
disappointing.
For
me,
I
respect
the
NCC
I'm
I
I
sit
in
on
their
board
meetings.
I
have
a
collaborative
relationship
with
them
on
many
other
files,
but
in
this
case
they
they
they
chose
to
go
in
a
different
direction
without
cooperating
with
us
and
I
have
heard
from
many
many
people
in
the
Glebe.
B
AC
B
AC
On
YouTube
Jackie's
question
was:
what
is,
what
is
the
current
relationship
with
NCC
yeah.
B
B
The
the
only
time
it
makes
news
is
when
we
don't
agree
on
something,
so
that
may
create
the
appearance
that
there's
a
lot
of
conflict.
But
there
are
many
meetings
that
take
place
that
you
never
hear
about
where
we're
collaborating
on
things,
even
at
the
political
level,
where
we're
working
towards
Solutions
and
and
where
we
share
objectives,
and
even
where
sometimes
we
may
have
a
difference
of
opinion
and
we
work
it
out.
B
So
we
just
happen
to
be
hearing
about
this
one,
because
we
have
a
disagreement
over
one
specific,
two
kilometer
stretch
of
road,
not
about
the
ncc's
cycling
program
in
general
or
recreational
program,
not
about
whether
we
want
more
active
transportation
in
our
city.
Just
about
that
two
kilometer
stretch
of
road.
AC
So,
just
to
repeat
that
Jackie's
question
is
about
the
LRT
and
she's
wondering
what
the
what
the
capacity
is
to
handle
the
current
loads.
B
So
we're
monitoring
this
very
closely
and
I
I
would
start
by
saying
I
I
think
that
that's
a
question
that
OC
transport
would
be
better
positioned
to
answer
than
than
me,
although
I'm,
following
up
with
them,
regularly
to
understand
what
the
plans
are,
but
my
understanding
from
OC
Transfer
is
that
they're
monitoring
it
regularly
and
they
will
make
sure
that
everything
is
in
place
to
handle
increased
capacity
in
September
when
more
people
are
moving
around,
including
students,
they're
keeping
an
eye
on
the
situation
and
whatever
needs
to
be
done
to
support
increased
volume
in
September.
AC
B
B
B
D
D
B
AA
AA
AC
Asking
about
the
vacant
unit
tax
and
how
what
we're
doing
to
improve
improve
the
the
process
for
property
owners
I,
don't
know
if
cereal
has
anything
to
add.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
B
Sure
I
think
we
just
the
program
is
new
and
the
program
has
a
specific
purpose
and
it's
something
that's
been
tried
in
other
communities
and
seems
to
have
been
effective,
so
I'm
prepared
to
give
it
more
time
and
see
how
it
works.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
applying
the
tax
in
places
where
it
should
not
be
applied
and
anywhere.
There's
an
example
of
that
City
staff
are
prepared
to
look
at
it.
B
B
AA
B
AA
G
B
We
are
listening
to
those
concerns
and
and
I
I
think
it's
important
that
that
we
understand
that
all
of
our
options
are
open
for
the
future.
In
terms
of
how
this
this
is
applied
and
how
we
change
it
in
the
future.
We
just
need
more
time
to
understand
the
data
to
understand
those
concerns
from
residents.
I
think
it
is
important
to
underline
that
the
vast
majority
of
Ottawa
residents
have
not
expressed
concerns.
99.1
percent
of
residents
did
the
Declaration
that's
a
higher
rate
than
in
Toronto
or
Vancouver.
B
So
by
and
large,
this
program
has
been
adopted
by
the
vast
majority
of
Ottawa
residents
fairly,
seamlessly
I
understand
the
concerns
that
people
have
raised
and
we're
looking
at
those
one
by
one.
We
want
to
make
sure
the
tax
is
not
being
applied
where
it
should
not
be
applied
and
we'll
look
at
those
listen
to
concerns
and
we'll
go
through
another
cycle
and
then
come
back
and
review
where
we
are
with
complete
data
with
a
full
understanding
of
what's
happening
and
make
decisions
accordingly.