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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council – May 11, 2016
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Ottawa City Council meeting – May 11, 2016
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
C
C
E
A
good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
aluminum
zamibia,
vanilla,
cold
salmon,
spout
pools,
may
welcome
for
the
11th
of
May.
For
those
who
are
able
to.
Could
you
please
rise
for
a
moment
of
personal
reflection
and
remain
standing
as
we
introduce
our
special
guests
who
will
sing
the
national
anthem.
E
F
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
good
morning.
Everyone
welcome
back
mr.
Cadillac.
It's
my
pleasure
this
morning
to
introduce
Tammi
Laverty
Tammi
has
a
long
history
of
involvement
with
football
dance
and
performing
arts.
She
lived
in
Los
Angeles
for
11
years,
where
she
honed
her
acting
singing
and
dancing
skills
with
the
Merv
Griffin
productions
and
was
also
involved
in
music
videos
and
stage
performances.
F
Tammy
is
also
the
founder
and
driving
force
behind
Laverty
designs,
which
produces
forged
Jersey,
dresses
and
I
really
need
one
of
them
for
the
NHL.
The
CFL
MLB
and
the
NFL
Tami's
interest
in
sports
may
come
from
her
father,
Ed
Laverty,
who
is
in
Ottawa
Sports
Hall
of
Fame
inductee
and
pioneered
the
Ottawa
Nepean
touch
football
league,
an
organization
with
which
Tammy
is
closely
aligned.
Tammy
has
an
extensive
network
in
the
local
community,
she's
involved
in
many
charitable
events
and
causes,
including
fight
for
the
Cure,
the
max
keeping
foundation
ringside
for
youth
and
school
box.
F
Wear
in
February,
her
and
I
took
part
in
building
a
school
in
Nicaragua
with
the
number
of
other
amazing
Ottawa
women.
I
first
saw
Tammy
perform
in
a
town
square
in
Lyon
in
the
front
of
hundreds
of
people
today,
she's
here
to
share
her
talent
with
all
of
us,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
Tammy's
been
suffering
from
the
flu
and
cold
for
a
number
of
days.
So
this
is
really
a
personal
favor
she's
doing
for
me
today.
So
please
join
me
in
welcoming
Tammy
Laverty
yesterday.
Thank
you.
E
E
Mark
is
right
here:
the
Arsenal's
are
longtime
residents
of
Crystal
Beach
Lakeview,
with
a
love
for
outdoor
sports
and
a
keen
enthusiasm
for
their
neighborhood.
Alan
Betty
have
been
dedicated
volunteers
in
the
community
for
many
many
years,
volunteering
their
time
with
the
city's
seasonal
recreational
branch.
Alan
Betty
take
great
pride
in
their
care
of
the
outdoor
arena
and
three
sheet
curling
rink
in
Lakeview
Park,
and
it
is
an
amazing
sight
to
see
these
three
full-size
curling
sheets
with
all
the
correct
markings
and
they
host
an
annual
Lakeview
outdoor
bonspiel
that
is
always
fully
booked.
E
An
enthusiastic
curlers
from
all
over
the
city
come
to
use
to
see
these
amazing
sheets
of
ice
Lakeview,
Park
sight
surfaces
are
notable
in
the
community
for
more
than
just
curling
sheets.
Isle
is
well
known
in
the
community.
Is
the
first
rink
operator
to
get
his
boards
in
place
and
coax
quietly
ice
out
of
an
early
cold.
Snap
owl
makes
himself
available,
24/7
even
trucking
loads
of
ice
shavings
from
nearby
indoor
arenas
to
make
repairs
to
the
ice
after
a
mount.
Now
that
is
dedication.
E
E
C
On
behalf
of
Betty
and
I
had
like
fear
thinking
there
Watson
there
for
the
kind
words
I
also
want
to
thank
deputy
mayor
Taylor
for
making
the
effort
to
nominate
us
for
this
award
and
also
I
want
to
thank
our
son,
Andrew
and
daughter-in-law
Sarah,
and
our
first
grandson
Nicholas
for
being
here
to
share
this
with
us.
Our
daughter,
Jolene
and
son-in-law
Isaac
are
back
in
Binghamton.
There
were
the
B
sentence.
C
They're
live
they're,
expecting
their
first
child
any
day
now,
so
they
couldn't
be
here
with
us
and
also
my
sister
Mona
wanted
to
come,
but
Jia
called
away
to
look
after
her
first
granddaughter.
Some
of
you
may
know,
Mona
better
I
was
the
former
deputy
treasurer
of
mana
moment.
I
have
to
admit,
though,
we
have
to
admit
that
when
we
got
the
call
last
week
from
the
mayor's
office
telling
us
that
we've
been
selected
for
this
award,
we
were
in
shock
that
took
this
a
couple
of
days
to
process
this.
C
It
was
a
quite
humbling
and
then
we
truly
are
honored
oftentimes.
We
get
asked.
Why
do
you
put
in
all
this
time?
You
know
the
many
hours
are
required
and
quite
simply
the
easiest
answer
is
that
we
see
it
as
our
way
to
give
back
to
the
community
we're
very
fortunate
to
live
in
Crystal
Beach
Leakey,
a
community
we've
made
numerous
friends
over
the
years.
C
We've
been
there
now
for
27
or
28
years,
and
we
wouldn't
live
anywhere
else
for
that
matter,
and
it
does
take
a
lot
of
dedication
and
hard
work,
but
at
the
same
time
it
takes
a
lot
of
help.
We
get
a
lot
of
help
from
local
parent
volunteers
to
come.
On,
give
us
a
hand.
We
have
a
lot
of
help
from
our
close
personal
friends,
particularly
with
the
the
curling
bonspiel,
putting
the
rings
and
all
that
stuff.
It's
a
lot
of
work
and
we
get
a
lot
of
assistance.
C
C
And
lastly,
first
thing:
I
couldn't
do
this
if
I
didn't
get
the
moral
support
from
my
wife
Betty
and
my
son
Andrew
and
my
daughter
Dylan,
you
know
a
lot
of
personal
sacrifices
on
their
part
when
I'm
out
there
for
these
countless
hours,
they're
back
home,
covering
for
me
and
taking
care
of
all
the
other
business
I
do
this
is
a
personal
passion
of
mine,
but
again,
if
it
wasn't
for
Betty
and
my
son
and
daughter,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it.
So,
in
closing,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
award.
E
E
Now
ask
Chris
Phillips
many
of
you
know.
Of
course,
Chris
is
a
great
member
of
Ottawa
Senators
to
come
forward
as
we
make
an
announcement
about
the
tragedy
that
took
place
and
is
taking
place
and
unfolding
in
Chris's
home
community
Chris.
Thanks
for
being
here.
As
many
of
you
know,
residents
of
Fort
McMurray
Alberta
facing
a
natural
disaster
of
an
unprecedented
scale.
They're
hesitant
the
Fort
McMurray
sube,
the.
E
Evacuation,
including
nearby
communities,
the
affected
land
service,
is
estimated
to
229
thousand
hectares,
almost
the
size
of
Ottawa,
with
damage
being
assessed
at
historic
levels.
This
natural
disaster
may
become
the
costliest
in
Canadian
history,
I'd
like
to
congratulate
and
thank
the
efforts
of
all
of
the
first
responders
who
have
responded
with
such
courage
and
dedication
and
in
many
instances
their
own
homes
were
destroyed.
E
Next
week
the
theme
will
be
beer
and
pizza
and
dress
western,
and
we
hope
to
raise
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
will
be
given
Red
Cross
for
the
work
that
they
will
continue
to
do
because,
as
Chris
knows
with
family
back
there,
this
is
just
you
know.
The
fire
may
be
out
in
a
week
or
two,
but
the
repercussions
are
going
to
last
a
long
time
and
that
community
needs
our
help.
Just
as
we
need
it,
the
country's
help
during
our
ice
storm,
the
people
of
Lac
Megantic
needed
our
help
during
the
train
derailment.
E
That's
what
Canadians
do
we
help
one
another
and
you
can't
think
of
a
better
ambassador
for
the
Ottawa
Senators
than
Chris
Phillips,
not
only
a
great
hockey
player,
but
the
tremendous
work
he
and
Aaron
do
for
so
many
causes
he's
leaving
here
to
go
into
a
candle
lighters
event.
Aaron
is
so
involved
with
the
snowsuit
fund,
Roger's
house
geo.
The
list
goes
on
and
on
and
it's
great
to
have
Chris
involved
with
this
event
and
allows
him
to
say
a
few
words.
H
H
Every
day
you
read
in
the
paper
or
hear
of
generosity,
whether
it's
big
or
small,
going
on
right
here
in
this
city
to
help
victims,
evacuees
of
Fort
McMurray
and
a
local
for
McMurray
I,
really
appreciate
it.
It's
going
a
long
ways
and
every
part
helps
very
excited
to
announce
this
today,
Ottawa
perform
Mac
on
June
8th,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
fun.
H
E
I'm
gonna
ask
my
council
colleagues
to
come
into
the
circle.
We've
got
a
a
logo
that
was
designed
by
dawn
masters,
Ottawa
for
Fort,
Mac
or
Western.
Roundup
fundraiser
will
get
maybe
a
group
shot
with
Chris
and
Roger.
If
you
can
help
us
out
there
and
just
to
remind
their
tickets,
will
go
on
sale
next
week
through
social
media,
our
website
and
it's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
people
to
support
the
residents
of
Fort
McMurray,
all
right.
E
Colleagues
and
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'd
like
to
take
a
moment
to
welcome
Steve
Cadillac
us
our
new
city
manager.
This
is
his
first
council
meeting
Steve,
as
you
all
know,
has
dedicated
his
career
to
improving
the
lives
of
Ottawa
residents
through
more
than
30
years
of
municipal
service.
We're
very
pleased
to
have
him
back
continuing
this
great
tradition.
Stiva
Gagne
liqueur
fuels
a
Steve.
B
E
2Nd
is
hit
the
ground
running
meeting
with
many
of
you,
including
staff,
and
stakeholders,
and
Steve's
leadership
will
be
a
tremendous
asset
during
such
an
important
time
in
our
city's
history
Steve,
we
very
much
look
forward
to
working
with
you
to
build
an
even
better
city.
Welcome
back
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
be
ever
do
a.
C
H
B
Brockington
here
counts,
return,
ischenko,
see,
kuchi
a
lose.
K
E
E
E
There
any
other
conflicts
of
interest
to
declare
communications
as
presented
regrets,
absol's,
counselor,
Eli,
Alshon
Terry
advises.
He
will
be
absent
from
this
council
meeting.
I
believe
he's
in
Toronto
on
behalf
of
the
Police
Service
Board
Association
motion
introduced
reports
council
early
persona
by
councillor
Moffat,
please,
as.
E
The
motion
carried
adopt
a
mel
c.
First
agricultural
rural
affairs
committee
report,
number
16,
rabona,
knows
size,
commuted,
electric
utilities,
a
federal
official
plan
and
and
zoning
flood
plain
mapping
updates
phase
one
kalsa
harder
rather
councillor,
Moffat
Santa
by
Celts
are
harder.
Has
a
technical
amendment.
Councillor
Moffitt,
please
thank.
B
E
E
B
E
B
B
D
It
is
so
the
the
motion
reads
is
follow
that
council
approve
the
report.
Recommendation
number
8
be
replaced
with
the
following
that
the
chief
security
see
management
proceed
with
the
implementation
of
the
two
bookends
stalls
for
the
bottom
market.
Building
for
the
area
set
out
in
document
five
of
the
report
at
an
estimate
cost
of
$100,000
in
2016
for
the
2017
market
season,
subject
to
the
following
condition
that
the
funds
to
designate
and
construct
the
bookend
stalls
are
provided
by
private
sponsors
in
accordance
with
the
C
of
Ottawa's
corporate
sponsorship
and
advertising
policy.
D
E
Next
is
development
charge,
complaint,
173,
175,
Armstrong
straight
plank
asana;
later
they
vowels,
diminish,
mall
and
asset
tois
asset,
sank,
Rue,
Armstrong,
carried
dissents
by
bleh
and
leaper
and
flurry
no
okay,
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
two
five,
six
Rito
Street
and
two
one
one
besser
er
mr.
mayor.
E
Designee
item
number
seven
is
designation
of
Kilmore
e21
Withrow
Avenue
under
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
business.
Only
the
Gilmore
event.
They
are
a
venue
with
row
carried
dissent
by
councillor
bleh
item
8,
designation
of
the
former
synagogue
at
375,
King
Edward,
councillor,
Nussbaum,
Seiler
counselor
flurry
has
an
amendment
to
Nussbaum.
If
you
would
please
I
think.
O
E
Okay,
any
discussion
on
the
technical
amendment
carried
on
the
report
is
amended
carried.
Thank
you.
A
planning
committee
report
number
26.
The
pole
in
the
middle
Vince
is
the
committee
de
lemon
yzma
zoning
bylaw
amendment
part
of
nine
eight
zero
armed
oral
Armstrong
Road,
but
if
you
guys
shown
The
Hague
yamada
zone
a
spell
ceded
NIF
with
zero
shimmy
or
Earl
Armstrong
carried
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
two
eight
three
Sussex
Drive
at
month
cash
flow
rate
among
us
on,
as
do
with
dois
promenade
sussex
carried
transportation
committee
report
number
fourteen
a
vulnerable
kept
tolls.
E
K
K
The
first
is
that
City
Council's
for
the
mayor
formally
request
that
the
province
of
Ontario
allowed
the
City
of
Ottawa
the
option
of
conducting
a
pilot
project
to
use
photo
radar
in
school
zones.
The
amendment
would
be
and
to
add
the
words
and
in
the
vicinity
thereof,
in
accordance
with
traffic
services,
staffs
recommendation
and
that
continues
with
the
concurrence
of
and/or.
At
the
request
of
the
ward
councillor.
K
The
second
motion,
your
worship,
is
that
we
amend
recommendation
4
to
remove
the
word
local
as
far
as
the
circulation
goes
to
members
of
provincial
Parliament,
so
that
the
outcome
would
be
that
it's
circulated
to
all
members
of
the
provincial
Parliament
by
way
of
introduction.
If
I
may
yeah
we're
not
we're.
E
Other
amendments
on
this
and
then
we'll
hold
it
okay,
so
we're
going
to
come
back
to
that,
because
there
are
people
who
like
to
speak,
the
bulk
consent
agenda,
we're
removing
counts
item
P
councillor
medic
is
excusing
himself
from
this
debate.
I,
like
to
remove
item,
are
just
to
say
a
few
words
about
max
keeping.
Does
anyone
else
have
anything
they
want
to
remove
from
the
bulk
consent
agenda
on
the
bulk
consent
agenda
carried
just
on
the
max
keeping
bridge?
As
you
know,
this
went
through
the
commemorative
naming
committee.
E
Think
it's
a
fitting
tribute
to
a
gentleman
who
was
sorely
missed,
but
has
done
so
much
for
our
community,
so
I'd
ask
for
your
support
on
renaming
the
417
Coventry
Road
bridge,
the
max
keeping
bridge
carried
very
thank
you
yeah
and
now
on
item
P,
which
accounts
America
has
excused
himself
from
carried.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
mayor
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
words
on
this
item
because,
although
I
represent
a
suburban
neighborhood,
I'm,
also
a
city,
councillor
and
I
think
it's
really
important
to
recognize
the
vitality
of
our
downtown
neighborhoods
for
the
good
of
the
entire
city
of
Ottawa
and
without
a
healthy
and
vibrant
downtown
without
a
healthy
and
vibrant
by
word,
market.
The
rest
of
the
city
would
not
be
as
healthy
as
it
is
today.
F
A
number
of
years
ago,
I
had
the
opportunity
and
really
the
pleasure,
of
participating
in
the
project
for
public
spaces
workshop
in
New,
York,
City
and
I
have
to
say
was
a
bit
of
a
game
changer
for
me,
because
I
came
back
really
with
a
lot
more
knowledge
about
the
importance
of
animating
public
spaces
than
I
had
before.
I
weigh
Farren
spent
those
days
at
that
workshop.
F
I
think
it's
a
real
eye-opener
for
me
about
the
importance
of
public
spaces,
about
their
role
and
animating
neighborhoods
and
bringing
people
together
and
creating
vibrancy
and
life,
and
it's
also
an
economic,
social
and
health
generator
for
our
communities.
So
I
have
to
tell
you,
when
I
came
back
mr.
more
from
New
York
City
after
participating
in
that
project
for
a
number
of
days
and
actually
going
out
in
New,
York
City
into
a
park
and
speaking
with
people
about
what
works
in
that
particular
public
space.
F
I
came
back
with
my
sights
firmly
fixed
on
the
Byward
market,
because
I
could
say
having
gone
through
that
experience
that
there
was
it
was
underperforming
and
I.
Remember
saying
to
a
George
Bedard
at
the
time
who
was
the
then
councilor
that
that
great
big
surface
parking
lot
on
York
Street
needs
to
go
if
that
is
underutilizing,
some
of
the
most
prime
space
in
this
entire
city
and
I
can
just
imagine
even
like.
Maybe
it's
a
bit
too
much
of
a
giant
step
to
imagine
taking
cars
out
of
the
borrowed
market.
F
But
it's
not
too
much
of
a
giant
step
for
me
to
imagine
taking
surface
parking
out
of
a
prime
area
of
the
Byward
market
and
greening
it
making
it
a
public
space
animating
that
space
making
a
performance
space,
making
it
a
gathering
space
for
people
and
I.
I
say
this
in
the
context
of
being
a
suburban
councillor,
because
I
recognize
that
that
market
is
a
key
element
of
our
city.
F
It's
a
create
key
attractor
of
tourists,
key
attractor
of
people
of
businesses
of
economics
and
so
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
say
this
as
suburban
councillor.
I
think
that
moving
forward
regenerating
rejuvenating
revitalizing
the
Byward
market
is
in
all
of
our
interests
and
that
it
should
be
a
priority
for
this
council
and
so
I
salute
the
work
that
has
been
done.
F
N
Rights
to
a
very
quick
question
about
councillor
flurries
motion
on
the
the
building
of
the
stalls.
We
had
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
around
the
funding
for
this
when
it
was
at
committee,
and
we
even
heard
from
one
of
the
delegations
that
they
had
firmed
up
private
funding.
So
again,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
too
staffer
to
councillor
flurry.
But
the
part
of
the
motion
which
speaks
to
the
city,
advancing
funds
to
ensure
timely
construction,
I
get
that
I.
Understand
that.
N
N
Mr.
mayor,
yes,
that's
correct,
we
certainly
would
have
an
agreement
in
place
before
we
advance
any
monies
to
go
to
the
private
sector
and
I
think
that's
great
and
all
very
shortly
I'll
just
say:
I
echo,
everything,
councillor
Dean,
said
I,
think
it's
it's
a
great
initiative
and
I'm
glad
to
see
we
found
a
way
to
to
move
this
forward.
Thank
you.
D
You
mr.
mayor
I,
I
want
obviously
many
of
many
of
the
committee.
The
members
were
fed
CO
and
heard
what
I've
said
and
I
don't
want
to
repeat
all
of
it,
but
I
think
it's
important.
It's
an
important
report
for
us,
highlighted
by
the
comments
of
my
colleagues.
The
this
is
a
foundational
document
that
really
can
can
spark
the
intrapreneurial
uniqueness,
reinvestments
and
also
the
gem
that
the
bio
market
is
first
and
really
can
be
for
the
future.
D
You
quite
right
when
you
say
that
all
the
stakeholders
have
been
focal
points
of
it,
including
the
city,
but
specifically
with
PBS
from
New
York
City,
the
BIA,
the
the
Association
the
stand
holders
in
the
area,
as
well
as
the
bill,
the
by
would
market
building
lessee.
So
it's
been,
it's
been
a
work
in
progress
for
some
years
now
and
I'm
happy
to
finally
say
that
it's
come
and
come
in
front
of
us
at
Council,
I.
Think
again,
it's
an
important
foundational
element.
There's
there's
we're
gonna,
see
follow-ups
to
this
later
in
2016.
D
Regarding
the
governance
portion
in
terms
of
the
representation
on
the
board,
and
obviously
there
are.
There
is
some
work:
that's
planned
this
summer
on
George
Street
Plaza,
but
beyond
that
we'll
work
with
our
federal
and
provincial
partners
to
see
how
we
can
work
at
investing
in
the
streetscaping
in
and
around
the
area.
And
hopefully
we
can
continue
to
see
that
it
is
a
term
of
council
priority.
D
B
A
very
important
project
for
us
and
the
community
in
the
whole
city,
the
by
warm
market,
appeals
to
everybody.
Everybody
has
good
memories
from
the
market,
so
it's
important
for
us
to
prepare
its
future.
This
market
has
experienced
many.
A
lot
of
things
has
a
rich
history
in
each
community
in
Ottawa.
Now
there
are
public
markets,
it's
a
good
thing,
but
what's
unique
in
bye-bye
wine
market
must
be
reinvented
revitalized,
so
there
will
be
a
nonprofit
group
that
will
be
charged
to
do
this
on.
D
This
specifically
mr.
Moser
Mr
curry
madam
Kenny,
who
really
have
led
the
the
file
internally
and
worked
with
my
office
and
with
the
stakeholders
to
bring
it
to
what
it
what
it
is.
Today,
it's
been
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
consultation.
A
lot
of
discussion,
we're
at
the
right
place,
I
think
we're
in
a
really
good
spot
and
I
invite
members
of
council
if
you're
interested
in
the
market.
There
is
a
consultation
this
evening,
that's
happening
at
the
overpass
between
the
Rideau
Center
and
the
bay
for
what
the
George
Street
Plaza
will
look
like.
E
D
Mayor
this
I'll
be
very
quick,
I'm
supportive
of
the
parking
amendments.
As
you
know,
this
is
on
a
Main
Street
and
we're
a
block
two
blocks
away
from
future
light
rail
station
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment,
because
I
I
hear
this
often
from
from
colleagues
and
residents
that
there's
really
in
zoning
to
portions,
to
Rideau
Street,
the
western
part
of
King
Edward
and
the
eastern
part
of
can
word
with
the
help
of
colleagues.
D
A
few
months
ago,
we've
addressed
the
eastern
part
where
we're
going
to
see
appropriate
zoning,
but
on
a
lot
on
the
western
side,
so
near
King
Edward.
If
you're
familiar
with
that
area
of
the
metro,
the
Claridge
towers,
the
phase
one
two
four
that
are
there.
We
continue
to
have
an
issue
with
the
MD
zone
and
that's
the
zone.
D
That's
in
place
there
and
unfortunately,
when
not
asked
today
to
vote
on
that,
but
I
wanted
to
make
an
important
mention
that
we're
seeing
more
and
more
issues
with
separation
distances
with
properties
being
built
lot
line
to
lot
line
with
minimum
setbacks.
The
current
phase
three
and
four
of
Claridge,
were
built
with
so
16
meter
distances
between
between
balconies.
So
you
can
imagine
that
when
you're
eating
your
dinner
you're
right
facing
the
other
person,
so
there's
a
zoning
issue.
The
applicant
here
has
improved
the
design
and
they
have
their
zoning
in
place.
I
don't
want.
D
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
application,
but
I
do
see
issues
with
the
MD
zone
in
that
area,
and
now
that
we
know
that
across
the
street
there
will
be
development
at
the
metro
and
at
the
the
LCBO
I
will
ask
my
colleagues
for
support
on
what
what
we
can
do
to
improve
the
zoning
so
that
we
don't
see
a
canyon
effect
along
Rideau
Street
in
that
portion
mess
mr.
Mann.
E
K
You
your
worship
just
briefly.
First
of
all,
I
would
like
to
again
acknowledge
and
thank
the
members
of
public
who
came
to
the
Transportation
Committee.
Last
week
we
had,
as
the
council
report
indicates,
15
delegations
14
spoke
in
favor
and
one
did
not
one
thought
there
was
an
issue
not
of
speed
in
the
city
about
absent
minded
drivers,
but
nonetheless
there
was
strong
support
from
those
who
showed
up
a
committee
in
favour
of
the
implementation
of
Florida
radar
and
just
a
reminder.
This
isn't
a
debate
about
implementing
photo
radar.
K
This
is
a
debate
about
whether
or
not
we
approach
the
province
to
ask
for
permission
to
direct
the
mayor
to
write
a
letter
and
ask
for
permission.
There
was
a
staff
report
that
accompanied
that
came
to
Transportation
Committee,
which
was
thorough,
which
that
the
jurisdictions
across
Canada
which
have
photo
radar
and
that
specifically
talked
about
five
zones
in
Ottawa
where
photo
radar
could
be
considered.
It
talked
about
chronic
zones
that
have
collisions
chronic
zones
that
have
speeding
talked
about
school
zones.
K
It
talked
about
construction
zones
and
it
also
references
owns
where
traditional
police
informant
was
dangerous
for
those
officers
to
be
on
the
streets,
so
it
really
highlighted
in
particular,
five
zones
where
photo
Raider
could
be
considered
moving
forward.
What
we
had
presented
to
us
at
committee
was,
quite
frankly,
a
weaker,
watered-down
version.
It
did
not
address
four
of
those
five
zones
and
it
was
sold
as
a
compromise.
I,
don't
accept
that
III
do
recognize
and
appreciate
that
the
motion
coming
out
of
that
committee
focuses
on
school
zones.
K
There's
no
argument
that
a
segment
of
our
vulnerable
citizens,
mainly
young
children,
certainly
are
at
risk
in
school
zones,
but
they're
also
at
risk
the
minute
they
leave
their
house
on
route
to
school
and
on
the
way
back
at
night.
And
so
you
worship
one
of
my
two
amendments
today
that
I'm
putting
on
the
floor
looks
to
tweak
the
school
zone
motion
to
include
wording
in
the
vicinity
thereof.
K
K
They
are
just
outside
the
vicinity
of
a
traditional
school
zone
and
I
wanted
to
include
them
there
as
well,
and
I
would
hope
that
if
this
council
is
okay
with
not
identifying
four
of
the
five
zones,
that
staff
have
identified
in
the
report,
that
there
would
be
willingness
to
tweak
the
school
zone,
motions
to
occlude
the
wording
that
I've
provided.
Finally,
mr.
K
mayor
on
the
other
motion
that
I've
put
on
the
floor
as
well,
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
important
to
inform
all
members
of
the
provincial
Parliament
about
what
Ottawa
has
been
debating
and
what
Ottawa
passes
today.
I,
certainly
support
and
believe
our
local
MPs
need
to
be
copied
and
notified
as
well,
but
I
think
there's
some
great
value
in
including
all
members
as
well.
This
is
common.
K
We
commonly
receive
motions
from
other
municipalities
of
Ontario
that
passed
various
recommendations
and
they're
shared
with
municipalities
across
Ontario
for
a
variety
of
issues,
and
this
is
no
different,
so
I'm
putting
that
on
the
floor,
your
worship
and
I
hope
there's
strong
support
for
both
of
them
this
morning.
Thank
you
right.
N
Think
mr.
mayor
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
staff.
I
just
saw
the
amending
motion
this
morning
short
before
council,
so
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
discuss
it
in
any
detail,
so
the
the
term
in
the
vicinity
of
what
does
that
mean?
Does
that
mean
a
councillor
can
come
and
say
we
want
to
add
four
blocks
on
the
way
to
the
school?
Are
we
talking
feet
or
meters,
and
and
can
you
give
us
some
some
context
around
that.
L
There
we
go
mr.
mayor.
The
way
we
see
vicinity
is
school
zones,
we
generally
sign
between
50
metres
and
150
metres
from
the
school.
If
we
were
to
see
that-
and
we
do
this
today-
that
there's
a
generator
so
there's
a
cross
through
a
lot
of
kids
across
and
it's
just
a
bit
outside
that
area.
We
might
extend
the
school
zone
by
another
50
or
100
metres,
but
it
would.
The
school
zone
still
needs
to
be
on
the
road
where
there's
a
school
when.
N
L
N
N
One
of
the
nice
things
about
the
the
pilot
motion
is
we
had
a
baseline.
We
had
a
consistent
definition
of
what
we
were
dealing
with.
It
could
collect
data
in
a
consistent
way,
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
a
patchwork
approach
throughout
the
city
depending
on
what
the
council
wanted
or
didn't
want
in
his
or
her
particular
award.
So
is
there
a
tiebreaker
built
into
this
motion?
B
Mr.
mayor,
as
I
as
I
read
this
recommendation
in
the
one
in
the
motion
before
you
and
appreciating
that
the
traffic
management,
expertise
and
I
think
it's
implicit
in
a
recommendation.
Number
one
lies
with
traffic
services
staff
and
not
my
office
I
believe
that
there,
a
general
definition
of
the
term
that
is
going
to
be
key,
for
this
is
the
word
in
accordance
which
is
generally
speaking
in
conformity
with.
So
therefore,
mr.
N
Can
you
use
a
stronger
word
that
your
view,
in
other
words,
is
that
what
would
happen?
It
is
my
legal
opinion,
mr.
mayor,
that
that
is
what
would
happen.
Okay,
I
think
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
For
that
clarification,
because
I
think
that's
a
question
that
was
on
a
lot
of
people's
minds.
How
would
this
actually
work
so
I've
heard
counsel
Brockington
has
had
to
say
about
this
particular
initiative
and
and
I
thank
him
for
putting
it
on
the
table.
N
He
put
it
on
the
table
out
of
a
concern
for
his
ward
and
that
that's
acknowledged
and
appreciated,
but
once
it
got
on
the
table
in
front
of
all
of
us,
if
then
became
a
citywide
discussion
and
not
just
about
what
was
happening
in
a
particular
Ward
and
I.
Think
that's
how
we
have
to
look
at
this.
To
my
mind,
photo
radar
is,
is
a
tool,
a
tool,
not
the
tool,
but
a
tool
in
our
in
our
tool
box,
along
with
traffic
calming
along
with
Complete
Streets,
along
with
police
enforcement.
N
It's
just
one
of
many
elements
that
we
can
use
the
one
thing
and
I
said
this:
a
committee
that
we
can
all
agree
on.
If
we
can't
agree
on
how
to
fix
it,
we
can
all
agree
that
speeding
is
a
problem.
We
can
all
agree
that
each
and
every
one
of
us,
including
the
mayor
on
a
citywide
basis,
receives
a
significant
number
of
speeding
complaints
on
a
daily
and
weekly
basis
and
that's
ongoing
year
to
year.
So
the
question
really
is
how
we
fix
it
and,
as
I
said
I,
don't
think
there's
any
magic
bullet.
N
That's
going
to
do
it
I
think
it's
it's
an
array
of
options
that
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
keep
on
making
our
toolbox
bigger
and
bigger
and
giving
us
those
options,
and
so,
for
example,
the
other
part
of
the
of
the
main
motion
is:
is
gate,
waits
a
gateway,
sign,
speed,
reduction
to
allow
us
to,
in
conjunction
with
our
communities,
to
reduce
speeds
in
certain
areas
in
a
more
efficient
and
more
cost-effective
manner.
That's
another
tool
we
want
to
put
in
the
box.
N
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
test
and
I
stress
the
word
test,
another
couple
of
tools
or
methods
that
we
can
utilize
to
address
this
pervasive
problem
in
our
communities.
I
think
and
I
ask
the
questions
they
ask
because
I
think
if
the
motion
was
counsel,
brockington
is
original
motion
which
was
essentially
the
province
for
photo
radar
anywhere
anytime.
That
would
not
be
something
that
would
have
met
the
concerns
and
requirements
of
our
the
bulk
of
our
communities.
N
It's
not
something
I
think
that
would
have
sat
well
with
the
bulk
of
the
people
sitting
around
this
table,
but
I
think
we
can
all
acknowledge
it's
a
problem.
We
want
to
fix
it.
We
want
to
be
as
creative
and
flexible
as
we
can
be
in
fixing
it,
but
we
don't
want
to
go
ahead
and
in
a
precipitous
manner.
N
The
last
time
we
had
photo
radar
in
this
province,
it
didn't
end
well,
it
lasted
less
than
a
year
because
it
was
everywhere
and
every
all
the
time
and
everywhere
and
people
didn't
like
that,
didn't
want
it.
We
have
to
take
a
more
cautious
approach.
We
have
to
look
at
the
data
we
have
to
see
and
see
how
it
works
and
school
zones
is
a
perfect
way
to
do
that,
because
we
have
the
one
Residential's.
We
have
them
on
arterioles
and
we
have
them
on
collectors.
N
We
can
test
every
kind
of
Road
every
kind
of
street
we
have
in
the
city
and
come
back
after
a
fulsome
pilot,
have
the
data
and
make
an
informed
decision
about
whether
we
throw
it
away
whether
we
go
forward
with
it
in
a
different
way,
whether
we
leave
it.
The
way
it
is
so
I
will
support
the
amendment
on
the
basis
of
the
answers
given
by
staff,
because
I
still
think
it
keeps
it
nicely
in
that
pilot
approach.
That
was
unanimously
approved
at
committee.
M
M
More
broadly
and
further,
however,
I
recognize
that
this
is
a
step
it
is
neatly
defined.
It
allows
us
to
track
and
get
statistics.
It
also
allows
us
should
we
reach
this
stage,
because
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
simply
asking
for
permission
from
the
province
at
this
point.
Should
we
ever
get
to
the
point
of
installing
it?
It
allows
us
to
demonstrate
that
it
is
not
as
the
lingo
that
is,
unfortunately
out
there,
a
cash
grab.
M
M
Let
me
illustrate
when
we
put
up
a
speed
board
in
this
area
on
the
Bank
Street
Bridge,
coming
up
out
of
the
deep
past
Lansdowne
ran
into
a
lot
of
south
near
Hopewell
public
school.
What
we
found
over
the
nine
days
of
this
board
being
up
there
was
that
the
vast
majority
of
drivers
were
between
30
and
45
kilometers
an
hour
in
a
40
K
zone,
well
within
that
up
to
5k
or
so
over.
M
However,
embrace
yourselves
a
hundred
and
forty
one
drivers
were
travelling
between
seventy
and
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
kilometers
an
hour
in
a
40
kilometer
kilometer
zone
on
a
Main
Street
in
a
built-up
urban
neighborhood.
That's
only
0.15
percent
of
all
of
the
traffic,
but
if
I
am
going
to
engage
in
a
cash
grab
for
a
0.15
percent
who
are
going
70
and
above
in
a
40k
zone,
then
you
can
throw
that
word
around,
because
I
can
tell
you
that
residents
would
like
to
grab
a
whole
lot
more
than
cash
from
those
drivers.
M
But
that's
not
currently
what
we're
asking
for
permission
from
from
the
premier
and
we
probably
won't
get
it
so
we'll
we'll
stick
right
now
with
that's
the
sort
of
behavior
where
we
would
like
to
heavily
find
a
driver,
get
demerit
points
and
possibly
take
away
their
license,
because
that
is
not
just
anti-social.
That
is
outright
dangerous
and
what
that
does
is
not
just
4/4
for
those
drivers
at
that
time
create
a
specific
condition.
M
It
leaves
the
sense
among
people-
and
this
is
our
own
staffs
words
here-
creates
not
only
the
impression
that
all
traffic
is
speeding,
but
given
the
pedestrian
and
cycling
activity
that
they
are
travelling
in
a
very
dangerous
area,
and
we
cannot
have
that
where
people-
and
we
get
this
in
our
surveys
all
the
time.
Mr.
Landry
knows
us
from
our
Lansdowne
work
before
that.
What
did
the
survey
say?
M
I
am
afraid
to
use
this
area
and
use
this
bridge
because
of
that
perception
of
speed
most
of
the
time
most
drivers
are
not
speeding,
but
those
people
are
the
ones
that
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
stop,
and
this
gives
us
the
tool.
It
is
very
close
to
a
school
close
enough
that
it
falls
within
within
that
zone
and
will
allow
us
to
track
how
well
it
works
in
catching
that
0.15%.
M
I
You
mr.
mayor
I'm
also
supporting
councillor
brockington
x'
motion
here
and
it's
you
know
after
we
had
our
transportation
committee
meeting
and
we
passed
our
initial
motion
to
have
photo
radar
in
school
zones.
I
actually
took
several
days
and
and
walked
my
daughter
cycled
her
to
school,
and
what
I
found
was
this
that
on
the
street,
within
that
school
zone,
while
some
cars
you
know,
could
be
driving
dangerously,
they
did
things
like
u-turns
are
back
in.
You
know
in
two
spots,
not
watching
out
for
cyclists
or
kids.
I
Not
many
of
them
were
actually
speeding,
because
at
that
point,
you're
on
a
congested
roadway
and
so
but
leading
up
to
the
school
zone.
For
you
no
I
mean
we
can.
We
can
have
the
debate
whether
it
should
be
a
kilometer
half
a
kilometer
200
meters,
but
even
for
200
meters.
The
roadways
leading
up
to
the
school
zone.
I
Drivers
were
driving
too
fast
and
it
was.
It
was
frightening
to
watch.
You
know
in
the
downtown
82%
of
people
who
live
and
work
downtown
walked
to
work.
That
is
a
lot
of
people
on
the
sidewalks,
and
the
evidence
is
clear
that
reducing
speed
reduces
and
having
photo
radar
reduces
fatal
collisions.
It's
evident
in
Calgary.
It's
evident
in
Edmonton
in
Winnipeg
across
the
river
and
gap,
know
that
that
there
are
decreases
and
Fiddle
collisions
with
photo
radar
and
in
the
sand.
And
yes,
it's
it's
only
part
of
managing
speed.
I
There
are
many
other
things
that
we
are
doing,
that
we
can
do.
You
know
Complete
Streets,
but
we
don't
have
completes.
Do
we
have
a
few
so
until
we're
designing
and
building
our
streets
so
that
people
drive
drivers
drive
at
a
reasonable
speed
where,
if
they
collide
with
a
pedestrian,
they
won't
cause
a
fatal
injury
or
a
serious
injury.
Then
we
need
things
like
photo
radar.
People
need
to
know
that
they
need
to
slow
down.
I
We've
got
an
average
of
seven
pedestrian
deaths
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
annually
and
341
injuries
and
the
most
vulnerable
road
users
are
children
and
older
adults.
So
having
photo
radar
in
our
city
in
any
area
of
our
city
will
reduce
pedestrian
deaths.
It
will
reduce
those
serious
injuries
and
Edmonton
has
got
a
vision.
Zero
policy
and
I've
got
a
very
interesting
website
and
on
that
website
they
go
out
to
their
residents
and
I,
encourage
you
to
look
it
up.
I
Okay,
with
of
deaths
in
the
City
of
Edmonton,
on
our
roads
and
people
throw
out
numbers
like
five
and
ten
and
eight,
and
then
the
third
question
came
back
to
the
same
folks
and
said:
okay,
how
many
of
those
would
be
okay
if
they
were
your
family
members
and
the
answer
cross?
The
board,
of
course,
was
zero
because
we
always
think
it's
gonna
be
somebody
else.
We
don't.
You
know
I'm,
not
a
senior
crossing
carling
avenue,
so
it
was
not
likely
that
you
know
that
intersection.
I
That's
quite
dangerous
is
going
to
be
an
intersection
where
I'm
hurt
when
we're
talking
about
walking
kids
to
school.
Cycling,
kids
to
school,
kids,
getting
off
the
school
bus
and
walking
to
school.
We
have
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
we
are
managing
speed
in
those
areas
so
that
those
kids
are
safe
to
get
to
school.
I
We
have
a
responsibility
to
broaden
that,
and
one
day
we
will,
but
in
the
meantime
you
know
the
the
World
Health
Organization
said
that
the
vulnerability
of
the
human
body
should
be
a
limiting
design
parameter
for
the
traffic
system
and
speed
management
is
central
to
that.
So
I
believe
that
we
have,
as
a
city
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
every
tool
we
can
and
this
this
is
one
that
I
very,
very
strongly
support,
because
the
evidence
is
clear
that
it
works.
Thank
you.
J
J
We're
in
simply
some
some
signage
going
up
flex,
signs
or
radar
signs
in
the
ward
and
how
it's
changed.
Compliance
to
the
speed
on
Kilbourne,
for
example,
from
36%
all
the
way
up
to
78%,
but
that
means
that
there's
still
22%
of
the
people
that
are
going
over
the
speed
limit
and
counter-trend
ischenko
said
that
a
very
small
percentage
of
that
goal.
J
An
extraordinary
amount
over
that
speed
limit
with
devastating
results,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
be
the
seconder
of
councilor,
brockington
'z,
motion
and
I
will
certainly
support
it,
and
we
know
we
all
know
that
this
is
simply
one
one
tool
in
the
toolbox
because
it
doesn't
address
texting
and
driving.
It
doesn't
address
other
forms
of
following
too
close
or
aggressive
driving.
J
Doesn't
it
doesn't
deal
with
impaired
driving
all
issues
on
on
our
roads,
but
it
is
one
tool
in
the
toolbox
and
an
important
one,
and
it
shows
the
the
commitment
of
this
council
to
to
improve
things
for
for
our
community,
and
so
with
that
I
will
I
will,
of
course,
support
this
motion.
Thank
You
mr.
mayor.
L
You
mr.
mayor
I,
too,
am
very
comfortable
supporting
councillor
Washington's
amendment
to
the
motion.
It
is
important
that
we're
using
the
right
tool
for
the
right
job
photo
radar
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
Councillor
McKenna's
point
a
of
a
school
is
not
the
right
tool
to
address
the
problem
that
we
have
in
the
immediate
vicinity,
mainly
vicinity
of
the
schools.
The
problem
in
at
least
Catherine
Ives
Ward
is,
is
really
inappropriate.
Driving
the
u-turns,
aggressive,
aggressive
driving
behaviors
people
try
to
drop
off
and
pick
up
their
kids
from
school.
L
The
speeding
in
catch
a
sippy
Ward
is
at
some
distance
from
where
the
school
is
still
walking.
Routes
still
cycling
routes
for
the
kids.
When
I
take
a
look
at
Fisher
Park,
the
speeding
isn't
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
school
on
Holland,
it
is
several
hundred
meters
to
the
south.
It
is
on
Sherwood
Avenue,
which
is
several
hundred
meters
away.
L
L
I
am
very
pleased
to
see
the
support
that
our
MPP
Yasir
Naqvi
in
Ottawa
Center
has
already
provided
to
it
I'm
looking
forward
to
succeeding
at
the
province,
it's
the
first
step,
but
let's
right
now
make
sure
that
we
don't
pass
a
motion
asking
for
a
permission
that
ultimately
isn't
going
to
be
as
useful
for
us
as
it
should
be.
Thank
You.
Mr.
Ram
thanks.
F
You,
mr.
mayor,
when
council
Parkington
initially
introduced
this
motion,
I
really
did
not
know
what
my
constituents
thought
about
the
years
of
photo
radar,
so
I
surveyed
them
to
ask
their
opinion
and
I
can
I
got
a
huge
amount
of
response,
because
the
public
is
very
interested
in
this
issue
and
there
were
really
two
camps
with
lots
of
people
in
both
camps,
and
one
of
them
was
in
favor
of
photo
radar
and
they
were
in
favor
for
the
simple
reason
that
they
recognizes
I.
F
Think
everyone
around
this
table
recognized
that
we
have
a
huge
speeding
problem
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
when
people
are
behind
the
wheel
of
the
car,
they
seem
to
be
busy.
They
seem
to
be
distracted
and
they
seem
to
be
driving
far
too
fast
and
it's
causing
a
hazard
on
the
road
and
so
the
people
that
believe
in
photo
radar
believe
that
it's
a
tool
and
that
we
should
use
every
tool
that
we
have
to
slow
cars
on
the
streets.
F
F
The
widespread
use
of
photo
radar
in
our
city,
because
I
tend
to
agree
that
this
is
a
blunt
instrument
and
I
also
I.
Also
very
much
agree
that
we
have
a
speeding
problem
that
we
need
to
wrestle
to
the
ground.
The
question
is:
how
best
do
we
do
that,
so
to
the
extent
that
we
would
contain
a
pilot
project
and
find
some
way
of
measuring
the
effectiveness
of
it
and
also
receiving
public
feedback?
F
I
can
see
some
advantages
to
doing
that,
so
I
would
be
prepared
to
go
along
with
the
general
notion
of
Lenny
limiting
for
the
radar
program
to
school
zones,
because
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
there
should
be
zero
tolerance
for
speeding
in
school
zones
so,
to
that
extent,
I'm
willing
to
go
along
with
it.
But
what
I?
F
What
I'm
worried
about
this
amendment,
because
I
suspect
this
is
really
photo
radar
creep,
because
then
we're
going
to
have
to
decide
where
the
boundary
is
and
we're
gonna
have
to
argue
about
that
and
I'm
not
sure
that
for
a
pilot
we
want
to
get
into
that.
It's
that
great
area
that's
going
to
cause
more
problems,
I
suggest
than
it's
worth
and
maybe
go
outside
of
my
comfort
zone
in
terms
of
deciding
on
a
pilot
for
photo
radar.
F
B
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
I
just
like
to
get
clarification.
Some
of
the
things
I
just
heard
about
this,
the
the
reason
some
are
supporting
the
amendment
mr.
O'connor
I
didn't
see
anywhere
in
the
motion
where
there's
going
to
be
demerit
points
attached
to
photo
radar,
I
believe
in
the
past
with
photo
radar.
There
was
strictly
a
fine,
no
demerit
points.
C
B
L
O
B
Amendment
itself,
mr.
mayor
I,
won't
be
supporting
it
because
I'm
hearing
already
I've
got
concerns
with
the
whole
motion
to
begin
with,
but
I'm
hearing
here
in
the
amendment
that
other
councillors
feel
that
the
motion
doesn't
go
far
enough.
They
want
to
spread
it
anywhere
from
a
couple
hundred
meters
to
kilometers
to,
however
far
so,
I
think
this
is
just
the
start
of
this
discussion
and
if
we
bring
it
in
it's
going
to
mark
the
rest
of
the
term
will
be
on
how
fast
we
can
expand
the
use
of
this
new
revenue
tool
so
I.
J
Thank
you
very
much,
mr.
mayor
and
just
a
question,
a
couple
questions
to
staff
based
on
counsel,
agonized
question.
You
mentioned
that
somewhat
of
a
distance
50
meters
to
100
meters.
How
accurate
is
that,
in
terms
of
your
projections
in
terms
of
schools
on,
is
that
the
real
number
or
could
the
number
be
much
higher
than
that?
J
L
Mayor
the
way
we
see
it
is
its
context
to
that
each
road
in
each
school,
so
some
may
be
closer.
Some
may
be
a
bit
further,
but
we
also
don't
want
it
to
be
too
far
away
in
the
terms
of
the
fact
that
we
want
the
school's
own
science
premier
school.
So
people
see
them
because
if
you
put
them
so
far
away
that
they
don't
see
the
the
school,
then
it
becomes
pointless
science.
L
J
You
for
that
mr.
Landry
and
the
next
question
is
in
terms
of
the
process
today,
as
the
motion
states
that
were
asking
for
permission
from
the
province
beyond
that.
Where
is
this
going
to
go
coming
back
to
Council
or
not
coming
back
to
council
committee,
could
you
explain
that,
for
my
clarification,
please,
mr.
L
Mayor
so
the
process
would
be
if
the
province
were
to
give
the
city
permission
to
use
photo
radar
in
the
city.
We
would
come
back
to
committee
with
a
full
report
on
sort
of
the
guidelines
that
we
would
use
following
the
direction
of
what
we've
been
talking
about
today,
and
that
would
be
opportunity
for
councillors
to
have
a
discussion
on
that
before
final
approval
would
be
done,
and
then
we
would
start
using
photo
radar.
L
J
You
very
much
yeah
mr.
Landry
and
mr.
mayor,
just
I
will
not
be
supporting
council
Brockington
as
a
Amendment
reason
why
I
won't
be
supporting
it
is
from
day
one
I've
had
that
concern
about
the
photo
radar.
Yes,
it's
a
tool.
Yes,
it's
a
necessary
tool
in
certain
cases
where
there
is
speeding
going
on
across
the
city
and
I
too
I'm
concerned
about
that
aspect
of
traffic
management
and
traffic
control.
But
my
concern
is
always
being
today.
J
It
really
hasn't
said
to
me
that
it
can
control
speed
and
what
it
does
do
is
issue
tickets
on
a
regular
basis
for
somebody
going
over
a
speed
limit,
whether
it's
two
kilometers
ten
flowers.
Yes,
we
can
set
those
prominent
parameters,
but
still
it
opens
up
a
dangerous
discussion.
What
I
would
suggest
for
the
us
today,
colleagues
is
to
leave
it
leave.
The
motion,
as
is
from
the
committee,
go
forward
with
it
once
we
get
the
permission
from
the
province
to
possibly
get
photo
radar
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
then,
as
mr.
J
G
You
mr.
mayor
and
I
have
a
I
have
a
question,
but
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
with
this.
That
doesn't
become
the
new
speed
humps
the
way
to
manage
traffic
by
putting
speed
humps
on
every
major
road
and
anywhere
in
the
city,
etc,
because
it
very
much
could
be
and
and
I
addressed
that
as
a
concern.
It
should
be
all
of
us.
I
haven't
heard
anybody
say
differently
that
this
is
a
way
of
trapping
people
and
sticking
our
hands
in
their
pocket,
because
they've
done
something
illegal.
G
We
shouldn't
have
a
problem
if
they
are
doing
something
illegal
and
I.
Frankly,
don't
I've
said:
I
would
like
to
have
a
camera
on
every
single
intersection
on
every
single
arterial,
road
and
bar
Haven,
because
I
know
that
would
make
it
safer
but
we're
starting
with
the
school
zones,
because
all
of
us
recognize
that
we
have
problems
in
our
school
zones
and
less
and
less
kids
are
being
bused.
Now
and
more
and
more
kids
are
on
bikes
and
they're
walking.
G
We
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
safe
and
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
increase
the
police
services
budget
to
have
enough
officers
to
be
parked
at
every
one
of
our
schools.
We
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
schools
across
our
city,
so
this
is
very
much
about
safe
traffic
to
for
for
people
in
the
community
in
the
school
areas.
I
wanted
to
ask
you:
what
does
it?
What
does
the
dollars?
Look
like
that
you're
planning
of
putting
in
the
budget?
G
L
Mr.
mayor,
at
this
point,
that's
a
bit
too
early
to
talk
about
it.
It
depends
on
how
many
how
many
we
want
to
have
install
I
think
that
would
be
talked
about
when
we
do
our
follow-up
report
in
terms
of
costs.
We,
since
we
don't
have
photo
radar
here
in
Ontario.
Sorry
in
turn,
I
can't
hear
you.
Oh
sorry
in
terms
of
what
I
was
saying.
Is
that
and
that's
something
that
we
would
talk
to
in
our
report
that
we
bring
forward
to
committee
once
and
if
the
province
gives
us
permission
to
do
it?
G
Actually,
it's
not
because
I
think
that
we're
going
to
have
realize
the
facts,
and
this
is
a
concern
I
have
we
have
23
wards
in
our
city
and
I
think
back
to
the
pilot
project.
The
councillor
blade
brought
forward
and
it
was
a
good
one
and
it
gave
us
information
that
allowed
us
to
take
the
next
step,
and
that
was
with
his
school
bus.
The
camera
on
the
school,
bus
and
I.
Remember
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
think
I.
Think
eight
of
you
weren't
here
when
we
had
that
discussion.
But
the
discussion
was
well
me.
G
I
have
a
problem.
I
can
my
remember
councillor
Wilkinson
right
beside
me.
Well,
I
have
a
problem.
It
became
the
me
to
I,
must
have
it
because
you
have
it
and
yet
really
what
we
need
is
to
have
the
pilot
that
is
going
to
show
whether
or
not
the
initiative
has
value
for
the
purposes
we
all
want
it.
So
I
want
to
caution
everyone
that,
just
because
it's
not
going
to
be,
you
know
like
a
pot
in
every
stove
or
whatever
the
old
sayings,
where
I
can't
even
remember
them
right
now.
G
But
the
fact
is
all
23
of
us:
it's
not
logical,
to
think
that
we
will
so
I
think
that
rationally,
rather
than
get
you
know
down
into
the
weeds
of
our
wards,
which
is
very
easy
to
do
when
your
political.
We
need
to
look
at
this
as
how
we're
going
to
get
the
most
information.
Should
we
have
a
school
in
the
downtown?
Yes,
should
we
have
a
school
in
the
suburb?
Yes,
should
we
have
a
high
school?
Should
we
have
an
elementary
school?
Doesn't
matter
that
we
have
four
boards?
G
We
don't
have
to
cover
all
of
those.
What
does
the
Alta
Vista
area
look
like,
and
and
and
if
you
do,
the
Alta
Vista
area?
What
else
do
you
not
have
to
do
and
do
a
really
really
super
job,
with
the
support
of
police
and
other
things
that
we
can
manage
financially
and
with
the
work
the
operationally
and
with
the
the
workforce
that
we
have,
that
information
will
come
back
and
just
like,
we
make
decisions
at
budget
every
year
on
adding
adult
crossing
guards.
We
therefore
would
make
the
decision
based
on
a
list
of
okay.
G
This
is
how
we're
rating
it.
We
have
a
rating
system
now
and
we'd
be
using
real
data
after
we
get
that
permission,
so
that
would
be
my
recommendation.
I'm
going
to
I
didn't
support
even
getting
to
this
point.
I
was
the
only
one
that
didn't
because
I
personally
thought
that
the
horse
was
coming
before
the
cart
and
I
didn't
see
a
need
to
do
a
lot
of
work
without
having
to
write,
but
I
will
support
the
report.
G
I
think
that
more
thought
has
gone
into
it,
because
I
think
that,
as
long
as
we
stick
to
why
we
are
on
board
for
this,
the
public
will
be
supportive,
us
of
us
and
that's
important
I'm
not
going
to
support
councilor
brockington
amendments
I
think
that
they
may
be
ones
that
we
support,
but
that
will
be
after
we
have
the
pilot
project
approved
and
and
comes
back
after
a
year
of
reporting,
Thank
You.
Mr.
mayor
all.
A
You
thank
you.
Worship,
I,
want
to
point
out
the
first
of
all.
If
all
of
this
passes
today,
this
does
not
implement
photo
radar.
What
implements
photo
radar
is
subsequent
decisions
that
will
be
made
by
by
Council.
However,
we're
asking
to
conduct
a
pilot
project
and
if
you
look
at
the
history
of
pilot
projects
in
this
city,
I,
don't
remember
one
case
where
we've
had
one
department
implement
a
pilot
project
and
then
evaluate
that
pilot
project
as
having
been
a
failure.
A
A
I
share
the
concerns
of
councillor
Dean's
and
the
residents
are
spoken
to
who
are
very
concerned
that
the
temptation
on
the
city
to
creep
and
expand
photo
radar
beyond
school
zones
is
something
that
we
will
not
be
able
to
exist
to
resist
that.
This
is
really
the
municipal
equivalent
of
a
bag
of
potato
chips.
We
say
we're
going
to
have
just
one,
but
the
bag
is
going
to
be
gone,
so
I
think
it's.
This
is
a
time
when
we
we
should
start
thinking
about
how
we
limit
our
use
of
this.
A
In
City
of
Edmonton
they're
normal
speeding
ticket
issuance
was
around
3500
a
year
two
years
after
implementation
of
photo
radar
they're
at
66,000
tickets,
and
everyone
says:
oh,
this-
isn't
a
cash
grab,
but
guess
what
the
cash
they
brought
in
was
equivalent
to
almost
a
four
percent
tax
increase
in
this
city.
That's
enormous,
so
we
don't
want
to
head
that
direction.
A
I,
don't
think
anyone
at
this
point
wants
to,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
put
ourselves
in
the
occasion
of
sin
where
we're
going
to
be
misusing
enforcement
as
a
budgetary
tool
for
the
city
when,
when
we
control
speed,
especially
in
school
zones
and
actually
in
any
zone,
I
think
the
best
way
to
do
it
is
by
police
officers.
Police
officers
issued
exercise
discretion.
They
decide
where
speeding
is
unreasonable
and
should
be.
It
should
warrant
a
charge.
They
decide
where
there's
a
valid
excuse
and
they
help
the
system
with
that.
A
And
secondly,
one
of
the
most
common
ways
that
major
crimes
gather
evidence
and
and
are
solved
is
when
police
pull
over
someone
for
a
routine
speeding,
stop
and
discover
somebody
who's
wanted
on
some
sort
of
issue
or
somebody
who
has
evidence
related
to
a
major
crime.
You
don't
get
that
from
a
camera
police
also
when
they,
when
they
pull
over,
someone
will
be
able
to
smell
alcohol.
That
camera
doesn't
do
that,
they'll
be
able
to
witness.
A
A
The
other
part,
the
other
piece,
is
education.
Police
officers
when
they
pull
over
someone
for
speeding
can
explain
the
reason
that
this
violation
is
important,
but
probably
the
biggest
deterrent
is
when
you're
driving
down
the
road,
and
you
see
someone
is
pulled
over
by
the
police
that
is
a
deterrent
to
everybody,
driving
down
that
road.
Nobody
can
tell
if
a
camera
flicked
and
if
two
weeks
or
a
couple
of
months
later
somebody
receives
a
ticket
in
the
mail.
A
So
on
the
principle
of
how
you
correct
behavior
we're
photo
radar
misses
a
boat,
because
people
are
told
immediately
that
they
were
in
violation.
They
don't
remember
the
circumstances
and
all
of
the
elements
that
go
to
correcting
behavior
are
missing,
except
for
the
city
receiving
money
and
so
basically
I
think
we
had
a
proposal
coming
out
of
committee
and
doesn't
even
hit
council
before
there's
an
attempt
to
expand
it.
So
that's
the
the
piece
I'm
afraid.
Oh
so
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
amendment.
That's
for
sure.
O
O
You
know
I
think
it's
important
because
of
course,
a
lot
of
stats
are
thrown
around
in
the
Edmonton
example
is
an
interesting
one
and
there's
no
question
that
there
were
additional
fines
issued
during
the
experience
of
that
city,
but
I'm,
looking
at
a
chart
from
the
City
of
Edmonton.
That
indicates
between
2006
and
2014.
The
period
during
which
photo
radar
was
in
effect,
the
number
of
fatalities
and
injuries
per
hundred
thousand
people
went
from
over
a
thousand
and
two
thousand
six
eleven
hundred
and
thirteen
down
to
four
hundred
and
twenty.
O
So
given
that
there
was
a
two-thirds
reduction
in
the
number
of
fatalities
and
injuries,
and
given
that
the
money
collected
was
used
for
additional
traffic
safety
initiatives,
I
guess
I,
don't
necessarily
see
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
that
was
a
system
that
was
in
place.
It
seems
to
have
been
a
win-win
situation
for
the
safety
and
health
of
residents
of
that
city.
O
More
broadly
and
and
like
councillor
Dean's,
when
the
original
motion
was
put
forward,
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
knowledge
about
this
issue,
so
I
went
away
and
did
the
research
and
I
guess
the
good
thing
about
the
story
is
the
research
is
unequivocal.
So
when
you
look
at
all
of
the
major
systematic
reviews
that
have
been
done
by
Cochrane
by
the
British
Medical
Journal,
the
evidence,
looking
at
literally
dozens
and
dozens
of
studies,
is
that
in
every
case,
fatalities
and
injuries
are
reduced.
Speeding
is
reduced.
The
outcome
is
positive.
O
O
So,
for
that
reason,
I
think
the
first
thing
we
have
to
ask
is:
is
this
a
useful
tool,
and
the
answer
is
clearly
yes,
I
think
is
important
to
know
that
when
councillor
brockington
is
original
motion,
you
know
prior
to
24
hours
before
going
to
committee,
it
had
a
much
broader
approach,
so
I
think
accusing
the
mover
of
changing
something
that
had
been
discussed.
That
committee
is
not
fair.
The
replacement
motion
came
shortly
before
the
meeting
started.
Most
of
the
delegations
who
had
signed
up
had
signed
up
to
speak
on
the
original
motion.
O
So
while
it's
true
that
this
is
in
a
this
is
a
small
amendment
to
the
replacement
motion.
It
is
a
significantly
scaled
back
version
of
the
original
motion
that
was
put
forward
to
council
some
time
ago.
So,
for
that
reason,
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
accuse
the
mover
of
engaging
in
some
sort
of
fast
work.
O
I
think
the
idea
is
there
was
a
replacement
motion
that
came
out
of
the
committee,
there's
a
recognition
that
it
has
a
limited
value
for
those
children
in
flu,
mine
who
biker
walked
to
school
and
only
in
the
final
stages
of
their
Walker
bike.
Are
they
in
a
school
zone?
My
youngest
child
has
a
700
meter
bike
ride
to
school,
it's
in
and
out
of
school
zones.
Much
of
that
is
outside.
O
Why
shouldn't
she
be
privy
to
the
prevention
of
speeding
in
100
to
200
meters
in
which
she's
not
in
school
zone
before
she
actually
gets
there?
So
I
think
this
is
a
practical
way
of
respecting
the
fact
that
there
was
the
reluctance
to
go
whole
hog.
We're
limiting
the
pilot
project
to
school
zones
in
the
vicinity
thereof
again
is
a
practical
way
of
acknowledging
that
you
may
have
children
walking
or
biking
to
school,
who
are
endangered
on
the
path
who
slightly
outside
of
a
school
zone.
O
K
K
So
then,
council
sent
this
back
to
committee
and,
as
we
know,
on
May
4th,
the
committee
had
a
fulsome
discussion
as
well
and
I
appreciate
again
the
members
of
public
who
came
came
out.
My
again
original
motion
was
just
seeking
permission.
I
did
not
define
where
we
would
put
it
the
criteria.
What
the
threshold
would
be,
how
big
the
signage
would
be
where
it
would
be
allocated
because
simply
I
thought.
K
We
need
to
ask
permission
first
and
if
and
when
we
received
permission,
we
would
then
go
through
a
a
comprehensive
process
where
we
would
define
criteria,
we
would
have
Public
Engagement,
and
so
there
was
no
intent
there
to
circumvent
that
important
process
as
well
again,
I'd
like
to
re-emphasize
and
reinforce
that
our
staff
and
the
staff
report
that
came
to
committee
recognized
five
distinct
zones.
We
are
choosing
to
proceed
with
this
pilot
in
school
zones.
K
A
photo
later
would
be
ideal
in
those
circumstances,
we're
not
putting
the
life
their
life
at
risk
to
do
that.
Enforcement
they're
just
some
cases
where
police
enforcement
is
not
possible
and
members
of
council
know
that
I've
been
quite
vocal
with
the
police,
because
I
would
like
to
see
more
resources.
I
would
like
to
see
more
enforcement
and
I
do
believe.
In
many
cases,
having
an
officer
is
the
best
option.
So
I'm
not.
This
is
not
an
either/or
discussion.
We
need
police,
we
need
police
to
enforce
traffic
and
speeding
in
Ottawa.
K
This
is
not
looking
to
substitute
that,
but
photo
radar
I
do
believe.
There
are
many
areas
where,
for
no
Raider
could
be
the
best
enforcement
tool.
We've
looked
at
traffic
calming
as
well
I'm
a
huge
proponent
of
traffic
calming
but
they're
just
sometimes
where
it's
not
as
effective
as
other
options,
and
many
of
you
said
this
is
the
photo
Raider
could
be
an
additional
tool.
I
do
believe
that
this
is
not
the
only
tool.
This
is
not
the
Silver
Bullet
to
our
speeding
problems
that
we
all
admit
exist.
K
Finally,
to
the
amendment.
This
is
a
minor
tweak
and
this
is
not
photo
radar
creep,
because
any
expansion
of
photo
Raider
I
will
assume
will
have
to
come
back
to
committee
and
council.
If
we
are
going
to
look
at
other
zones
in
the
future,
I
expect
that
there
would
be
that
democratic
process,
and
we
would
vote
on
that.
I
think
I
have
articulated
well
enough
that
school
zones
isn't
good
enough
that
there
are
routes
that
children
take
counselor
harder
mentioned
this
today,
that
there
is
less
transportation
being
offered
more
children
out
on
the
streets.
K
Why
would
you
not
support
this?
Why
would
you
not
support
the
amendment?
Our
own
staff
have
said
this
isn't
going
to
be
a
kilometre
a
couple
of
kilometers?
This
is
hundreds
of
meters
in
the
vicinity
of
schools
and
it's
not
customized
to
every
families
route
to
school,
but
those
main
routes
are
paths
that
children
walk
or
bike
to
would
be
looked
at
again
with
the
discretion
of
the
ward,
councillor
and
staff
as
well
that
we'll
all
be
discussed.
So
mr.
mayor
I
think
this
is
a
very
reasonable
amendment.
K
E
You
I
would
like
to
offer
a
couple
of
comments
on
this
debate.
I
would
urge
members
of
council
to
vote
against
both
one
and
two
of
councilor
Washington's
motion
for
a
couple
reason
do
with
number
two
first
to
send
it
to
all
MPPs.
As
a
former
MPP,
when
I
got
a
solution
from
the
township
of
Wawa,
it
went
in
the
recycling
bin.
E
It
has
no
impact
we're
better
to
deal
with
our
local
MP
Peace
Council,
certainly
for
mention
that
yes
or
Naqvi
has
been
working
on
this
file,
so
I
just
think
we'd
be
wasting
our
time,
sending
it
to
all
MPPs.
Secondly,
I
thought
there
was
a
fair
compromise
that
was
reached
at
ran
straight
Transportation
Committee.
There
was
a
general
consensus
that
school
zones
would
be
a
good
sensible
pilot
project
to
curb
and
catch
speeders
and
I
share
counselor
Dean's
comments
that
you
know
in
the
vaguely
worded
in
the
vicinity
thereof.
I,
don't
know
what
that
means.
E
Is
that
a
block
two
blocks
we've
heard
150
metres?
It
ends
up
being
a
councillor
wanting
it
and
pushing
staff
and
staff
folding
I
think
what
we
had
before
was
a
much
more
sensible
defined
set
of
criteria.
We
know
what
school
zones
are
considered
under
under
law
and
I
would
urge
you
not
to
support
this
resolution.
The
state
to
what
the
Transportation
Committee
came
up
with
I
think
our
staff
feel
certainly
more
comfortable
with
that
and
the
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
E
I
think
councillor
harder
addressed
this
folks,
we're
not
going
to
be
ordering
10,000
photo
radar
cameras
for
every
single
Street
I
heard
some
people
here
talk
about
well,
my
child
goes
down
this
route.
Why
not
have
one
there?
Well,
why
not
have
one
over
on
that
Street?
This
is
a
pilot.
We
don't
even
know
if
the
province
is
gonna,
give
us
permission
when
councilor
blocking
said
I
hope
this
is
the
last
we
talked
about
it.
E
It
isn't
because
we've
asked
for
something
if
we're
given
the
power
we'll
have
to
have
this
discussion,
but
this
at
least
sets
the
parameters
that
we
can
tell
our
constituents
where
we're
prepared
to
go
so
that
it
does
not
turn
into
a
cash
grab,
as
we
saw
with
councilor
Shirley's
stats
on
on
Edmonton,
and
it
doesn't
become
a
fix
to
budget
problems
in
the
future.
But
it
acts
as
a
deterrent
for
people
not
to
speed
in
areas
such
as
school
zones
where
some
of
our
most
vulnerable
residents,
namely
children,
are
dashing
out
of
the
bus.
E
Maybe
they
see
a
friend
across
the
street
and
they
want
to
rush
to
see
them
in
the
school
yard
and
the
tragic
consequences
of
someone
traveling
too
far.
So
we
have
the
last
four
yeas
and
nays
on
both.
So
we'll
do.
First,
with
direct
recommendation
number
one
of
councillor,
Washington's,
motion,
yeas
and
nays,
please
counselor.
K
I
F
J
A
E
E
B
I
J
E
E
L
E
Motions
of
which
notice
has
been
previously
given,
as
you
know,
councillor
lsanty
reput
for
this
motion
side
of
a
counselor
tyranny
with
respect
to
amendments
from
the
Highway,
Traffic,
Act
and
councillor
else,
interior
is
not
here
so
I'm.
Moving
that
we
defer
this
to
the
council
meeting
of
May
25th,
so
council
interior
can
properly
introduces
motion
carried.
E
D
B
D
Fitness
day,
it's
the
same
promotion
that
we
offer
every
year,
basically
two-for-one
in
our
facilities
and
the
general
manager
of
practice
and
Recreation
and
Culture
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
properly
advertised
that
try,
programs
and
I
love
two
programs
ahead
of
the
day.
So
that's
that's
why
we
were
going
through
committee
route
but
decided
to
go
through
through
today's
motion.
D
E
F
E
M
Thank
you
very
much,
and
this
is
a
very
long
and
extensive
motion
and
I
won't
even
ask
you
if
you
want
me
to
read
the
whole
thing,
because
I
don't
think
any
of
us
to
do
this
is
stems
from
the
blue
dot
movement,
which
many
of
you
will
have
already
heard
about
chatted
with
people.
It's
essentially
a
movement
to
have
enshrined
in
the
Canadian
Constitution,
their
Charter
of
Rights
and
Freedoms
the
rights
to
a
healthy
environment.
M
That
is,
of
course,
a
very,
very
long
process,
but
the
idea
is
to
start
with
cities
endorsing
this
as
a
principle.
It's
something
that
over
130
Canadian
cities
have
already
signed
on
to
and
you'll
see
in
the
fairly
extensive
description
there
what's
involved
in
it.
This
would
simply
be
when
we
debate
it
at
the
next
council
meeting
a
discussion
of
writing
a
letter
in
support
of
this
movement
and
helping
to
further
that
idea
of
our
all
having
the
right
to
live
in
a
healthy
environment.
Thank
you,
Thank.
E
B
L
E
L
E
L
O
Think
you
mr.mayor
bike
share.
Programs
are
becoming
an
increasingly
popular
way
to
facilitate
cycling
for
visitors
and
residents
alike.
The
National
Capital
Region
saw
the
introduction
of
a
new
bike
share
provider
in
2015.
The
success
and
potential
expansion
of
which
could
benefit
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
its
citizens
could
stop.
Please
provide
an
analysis
of
municipal
policies
on
encroachment
and
other
fees
charged,
as
well
as
funding
provided
to
bike
share
providers
in
other
jurisdictions
in
North
America.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.