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Ottawa City Council - 30 August 2016
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And
strength
that
reached
across
partisan
and
personal
barriers
to
bring
people
together
this
country
is
this.
This
strength
rather
has
left
an
impact
on
our
city
and
country
in
many
many
ways
and
will
be
felt
in
our
community
for
years
to
come.
Despite
the
tragic
realities
of
ALS,
moral
stewardship
was
able
to
rally
Canadians
from
all
walks
of
life
until
the
very
end.
Java
may
peace
a
circle
day,
I'd.
D
E
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
very
pleased
to
welcome
some
talented
youth
juniors
from
the
bar
Haven
Music
Academy,
along
with
their
director
Morgan
Strickland,
as
well
as
Kohinoor
Ashley
Martin.
The
bar
Haven
Music
Academy
is
one
of
the
top
centers
for
music
education
in
Ottawa
with
over
a
dozen
staff
and
more
than
350
weekly
students.
It
offers
private
music
lessons
in
a
variety
of
instruments
for
all
ages
and
levels,
as
well
as
a
number
of
group
programs
developed
to
enhance
performance
and
musicianship
skills
in
2015.
E
Bma
was
a
finalist
for
the
new
business
of
the
Year
at
the
Ottawa
West
Ottawa
West
Ottawa
Board
of
Trade
snippy
in
business.
Achievement
awards
joining
us
today
for
the
special
performance
of
national
anthem
is
ava
burn,
a
key
need:
Brown,
Emery,
Gaskin
Chloe,
wait,
Tatyana
Kairos,
margarita
shake
it
Cali,
Walker
and
Alex
soup.
The
floor
is
all
yours.
D
Well,
thank
you
very,
very
much
counselor
caucus
for
bringing
those
talented
young
people
from
bar
Haven
to
start
our
council
meeting
today.
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
invite
Francis
and
Ronald
McDonald
to
the
podium
for
this
meeting
city
builder
award
presentation
and
invite
their
councilor
George
tools
to
join
us
as
well.
Francis
O'donnell.
If
you'd
like
to
come
forward
and
counselor
des
rues,
Jaime
AOC,
Simcoe
c8
just
come
right
here.
Please
welcome.
D
Ronald
and
Francis
have
enjoyed
an
impressive
career
of
community
involvement
in
philanthropy
for
many
many
years
for
over
two
decades,
the
McDonnells
have
made
a
name
for
themselves
as
tireless
volunteers,
who
always
find
time
to
support
their
many
important
community
causes
across
the
region.
365
days
a
year
and
regardless
of
the
conditions,
the
McDonnells
passion
for
giving
back
to
the
community
has
touched
the
lives
of
many
in
our
city.
We
also
have
something
in
common:
a
passion
for
bazaars.
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Networks,
the
McDonald's
pick
up
and
deliver
new
and
used
items
and
bring
into
charitable
or
not-for-profit
organizations
such
as
the
st.
Louie
residence
in
the
East
End.
Not
only
do
they
make
a
vital
contributions
to
the
bazaar
by
arranging
items
to
be
donated,
they
raise
funds,
encourage
volunteers
even
bring
their
granddaughters
to
shop.
These
important
donations
don't
stop
at
the
Briere
and
the
residence.
The
MacDonell
supply
many
organizations
with
regular
high
quality
merchandise
for
the
residents
or
bazaar
such
as
the
auto.
Our
mission
and
sisters
of
charity
and
mr.
D
McDonald
mentioned
you've
got
a
whole
truckload
full
of
clothing.
That's
going
to
the
Union
mission,
so
we
have
to
make
sure
we're
on
time
today
right.
So
you
don't
want
to
be
late
for
that
mission
to
the
mission.
Their
hard
work
vulnerable
in
our
community
funds
and
merchandise
collected
by
the
McDonald's,
goes
direct
to
programs,
services,
special
projects
and
residents
who
may
otherwise
not
receive
the
aid
they
require.
They
fall
MSA
leb
funds.
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Its
service
to
our
community
and
it's
a
pleasure
on
behalf
of
councillor
de
Roos
to
present
you
with
the
mayor
city
builder
award
for
the
tremendous
work
you
do
each
and
every
day
and
for
the
inspiration
you
are
for
so
many
other
people
in
greeley,
Osgood
Ward
in
the
whole
city
of
Ottawa.
Congratulations.
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A
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D
It
gives
me
great
pleasure
to
have
the
opportunity
to
recognize
the
actions
of
a
very
special
13
year
old
young
woman
from
Orleans,
whose
quick
thinking
saved
her
siblings
from
their
burning
home
I'd.
Ask
that
Annika
Boucher
come
forward
along
with
Jodie
medic,
their
counselor
Anika's
counselor,
and
the
chief
of
Fire
Services
Jerry
pingatore
II
welcome
Annika
I
know
you
have
your
family
members
here
at
home
and
dad
and
your
brother
and
sister
and
his
counselor
medic.
She
was
a
key
asset.
D
With
a
special
commendation
of
bravery
for
her
quick
actions
on
July
5th,
when
fire
broke
out
in
their
family
home
and
she
was
babysitting,
her
two
younger
siblings,
her
actions
that
day
a
significant
reminder
of
the
importance
of
a
home
fire
escape
plan,
one
that
was
prepared
by
her
family
and
then
was
executed
flawlessly
when
it
was
needed.
The
Boucher
family
had
discussed
and
practiced
the
home
fire
escape
plan
together
and
importantly
had
set
a
meeting
place
at
a
neighbor's
home.
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The
family's
planning
and
Annika's
quick
thinking
and
response
were
instrumental
in
keeping
everyone
safe
and
getting
the
fire
extinguished
quickly.
I
also
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
commend
our
emergency
responders
for
the
quick
and
professional
actions
that
day
many
of
our
residents
are
familiar
with
the
story
and
likely
saw
Anika
being
interviewed
on
the
evening
news
I
was
so
impressed
with
her
calm
and
articulate
way
that
she
was
able
to
recount
her
actions,
even
while,
noting
that
something
horrible
could
have
happened.
Thankfully,
despite
considerable
damage
to
the
home,
everyone
was
safe.
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I'm
very
pleased
to
have
this
opportunity
to
publicly
thank
and
recognize
Anika
for
the
Smart
Response.
This
brave
young
woman
took
during
an
emergency.
The
fire
was
damaging,
of
course,
but
we're
all
thankful
that
there
were
no
injuries
when
things
could
have
been
much
worse.
It's
now
my
pleasure
to
introduce
councilor
midok
to
say
a
few
words
and
then
join
the
fire
chief
and
I
in
the
presentation,
as
we
congratulate
Anika
counselor
Thank.
A
You,
mayor
Anika,
you
know,
I
was
reading
the
story
and
something
jumped
out
at
me.
You
guys
I'm,
first
of
all
impressed
that
the
Boucher
family
had
their
fire
evacuation
plan.
We
practice
it
with
our
daughters
at
home
as
well
and
part
of
the
plan
involved,
not
wasting
time
to
try
and
rescue
the
families,
pets.
D
G
D
G
A
D
D
You
a
confirmation
of
minutes
adepts
on
the
process
available,
pool
Luke
eyes,
read
image
size
for
the
meeting
of
13th
of
July
2016
carried
declaration
of
interest,
including
those
originally
from
prior
meetings.
Dr.
I
sold
the
internet,
confident
that
none
communications
as
presented
regrets.
No
one
has
regretted
motion
to
introduce
reports.
Most
impotant
present
a
solo,
appalled,
Cole
c8,
Moffitt,
pre
Falco's,
a
medic.
M
Levi
myself,
second
by
Cal,
Semitic,
that
the
community
Protective
Services
Committee,
was
16
and
planned
community
boards
29
a
and
30,
be
received
and
considered
in
that
pursuant
to
subsection
35
five
of
the
procedural
bylaw
2014
four
for
one
council
receive
and
consider
item
1
of
a
cultural
affairs
came
a
report
19
item
one
of
the
agenda
and
that
the
Royals
a
procedure
be
suspended
to
receive
and
consider
item
two
vehicles.
Rural
Affairs
Committee
report
19
am
to
an
agenda
waiver.
M
D
The
motion
carried
an
update,
a
committee
reports,
agricultural
and
rural
affairs
committee
report
number
19th
of
all
new
medicine.
If
the
committee
delegate
future
it
is
a
farewell
item
number
one:
comprehensive
zoning,
bylaw,
2008,
250,
omnibus
amendments,
q3
2016,
carried
on
the
report
and
carried
on
the
summary
of
submissions
carried
item
two
from
Iraq
is
front:
ending
agreement
for
design
and
construction
of
the
Richmond
sanitary
trunk.
Sewer
carry
item.
D
Next
item
is
chameleon
Protective
Services
Committee
report
number
16,
but
for
the
most
sales
to
community
the
Soviet
era
de
protección,
prohibition
prohibiting
rather
the
use
of
water
pipes
in
public
places
and
workplaces
like
we'll.
Come
back
to
that
because
there's
a
motion
and
I
know
members
will
I
believe
have
some
questions
for
dr.
levy
planning
committee
reports,
number
29
a
troponin
event.
Neff
are
the
committee
the
Lebanese?
No,
we
have
a
motion
by
councillor
harder
and
tyranny.
I
believe
this
is
on
the
signs
issues.
D
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
as
well,
because
I
think
there'll
be
some
comments
and
there's
a
memo
from
staff.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
planning
committee
report,
number
30,
Epona,
militant
confederation
line,
proximity,
study
fees,
zone
of
influence,
carried
development
charges,
complaint,
60,
Camelot,
Drive,
carried
new
requirements
for
site
plan
control
in
Sandy
Hill
councillor
flurry
as
a
motion.
Does
anyone
wish
to
be
Khan
this,
or
can
we
deal
with
this
now?
D
I
D
D
H
D
H
Going
to
fedko
so
the
public
can
input,
but
we
were
told
that
it
was
coming
today
and
I
know
some
members
of
council
had
some
questions
and
perhaps
some
direction
that
they
would
have
liked
to
give
an
advance
of
that
fedko
consideration.
So
it's
just
I
think
unfortunate
that
we're
told
that
it's
coming
here.
We
anticipate
it
prepare
questions
and
then
it
disappears.
D
Okay,
thank
you
on
the
bulk
consent
carried
all
right,
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
first
item
that
we
held,
which
is
community
Protective,
Services
Committee,
prohibiting
the
use
of
water
pipes
in
public
places
and
work
places.
So
we
have
a
motion
of
this
task.
Councillor
gurus,
to
move
the
motion
seconded
by
Councillor
caucus.
H
B
This
motion
I'll
talk,
quick
about
it.
Number
of
member
of
council
I,
do
sit
on
community
Protective,
Service,
myself
and
counselor
caucus,
and
we've
heard
lots
of
common
in
the
last
few
days
about
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
and
people
realize
that
we
are
what
we're
doing
right
now,
we're
going
to
be
able
we're
gonna,
be
shutting
some
businesses
down
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
then
by
me
sitting
at
CPS
for
almost
two
years.
B
I
know
how
we
compromise
and
we
work
with
different
businesses
when
we
work
when
we
had
the
file
of
the
pet
stores
and
whatnot
and
and
all
all
the
business
we
do
at
committees
and
this
file
in
particular,
we
are
trying
to
ban
the
shisha
pipe
and
some
businesses
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
but
the
bank
is
going
to
be.
The
committee
decided
that
they
go
to
April,
but
this
is
the
business
of.
There
is
few
businesses
that
they
only
sell
and
they
have
solar
business
that
they
do
that
shisha
and
these
people
they'll
be.
B
So
after
discussing
with
councilor
caucus
and
the
few
other,
people
in
the
committee
and
I
did
speak
a
little
bit
about
it
with
our
chair,
Dianne
and
I
know,
there
is
not
a
there
is
not
a
big
support
on
pushing
it,
but
I
still
feel
that
we
as
a
city
councilor,
look
at
the
sensitivity
of
these
businesses
and
not
to
be
able
to
cut
them
cold
turkey
and
give
them
enough
time
work
with
them
to
making
sure
they
face.
Like
anything
we
do
in
the
city.
B
So
it's
not
a
political
stand
and
it's
not
I'm
not
trying
to
do
anything
different
or
what
I'm
asking
it's
give
them
another
five
months
extension
that
will
give
them
next
summer
between
April
and
September,
to
be
able
to
phase
out
and
to
be
able
to
promote
and
if
they
have
to
work
with
the
landlord
and
their
leases
to
make
sure
they
continue
or
change
their
business
line.
That
have
that
time.
B
So
that's
why
the
motion
is
coming
from
and
I
can
read
it,
whereas
shisha
is
important
cultural
practice
of
many
ethics
groups
across
the
city
and
whereas
the
city
should
allow
businesses
will
rely
on
shisha
sales
enough
time
to
change
their
business
model,
sell
their
business
or
terminate
their
leases
within
a
reasonable
time
frame
and
whereas
cultural
festivals
add
to
the
vibrancy
of
the
city
and
offer
insight
into
the
cultural
practices
of
those
several
countries.
Countries
which
may
include
the
use
of
shisha
within
a
social
context.
B
Therefore,
it's
resolved
that
the
charging
phase
of
the
bylaw
be
amended
to
begin
on,
September,
30th,
2017
and
second
one
is
council
direct
city
staff
to
establish
special
permit
to
which
festivals
and
events
may
apply
that
will
allow
them
the
use
of
water
pipe
for
the
duration
of
the
festivals
and
staff
established
across
the
cost
for
the
permit,
so
that
the
insurance,
the
issuance
of
such
a
permit,
is
cost
neutral
for
the
city.
Thank
you,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
council
Kaka
should
have
to
say
anything,
okay.
N
My
question
first
to
mr.
o'connor,
we
saw
a
connor
a
few
years
ago
when
the
discussion
was
about
the
shisha.
There
was
a
case
law
in
vancouver.
I
think
it's
about.
If
the
shisha
is
a
cultural
practice
or
just
obviously
social
gather.
So
can
you
talk
about
that
case
law
with
the
Supreme
Court
of
BC?
What
was
the
result
of
that.
J
In
2014,
a
number
of
shisha
shops
in
the
City
of
Vancouver
were
charged
under
their
particular
bylaw,
which,
like
I,
was
being
proposed.
A
ban
shisha.
So
a
couple
of
the
places
took
offense.
They
went
to
court
and
in
front
of
the
trial
judge.
They
made
arguments
along
the
lines
that
the
counselor
suggested,
that
this
was
a
cultural
matter,
that
this
was
in
fact
part
of
their
religion
and
they
argued
constitutional
law
saying
that
was
against
the
Charter
of
Rights
and
Freedoms.
J
In
a
lengthy
38
page
decision,
the
trial
judge
disagreed
and
convicted
them
on
all
of
the
charges.
He
went
to
the
Supreme
Court
of
British
Columbia
in
2015.
At
that
point
in
time
they
only
argued
strenuously
as
the
way
the
appeal
judge
writes
it
for
the
religious
aspect
of
the
Charter
arguments
and
again
he
was
not
persuaded
by
their
arguments
and
he
dismissed
their
appeal.
So
we
checked
it
recently
with
the
British
Columbia
Court
of
Appeal,
and
they
say
there
is
no
appeal
on
the
books
for
this
particular
matter.
J
So
it
would
appear
that
the
matter
is
settled
in
British
Columbia
in
Toronto.
Mr.
mayor,
there
was
argument
with
regards
I
think
was
August
22nd.
The
city
of
Toronto
has
a
similar
bylaw
where
they
event
launch
YCJA.
A
number
of
those
shops
have
brought
an
application
of
the
superior
court
of
justice.
It
was
heard
on
August
22nd.
It
was
actually
referenced
to
by
one
of
the
delegates
at
the
committee
last
week
and
there's
anticipated
that
there
will
be
a
decision
from
that
court
that,
probably
later
on
this
fall
made
September
October.
That's
that's
a
guess.
J
N
N
So
I
understand
all
this
I
don't
need
this
I
just
want
to
know,
because
there's
this
I'm
conflicted
and
I'm
not
out
of
there
I'm,
not
a
doctor,
but
there's
a
conflicted
opinion
here.
Some
say
the
e-cigarette
is
helping
people
who
smoke
cigarette
and
substitute
with
a
E
which
is
not
less
harm
to
the
body
than
a
real
cigarette.
So
by
banning
those
each
cigarette
is,
are
we
then
pushing
people
back
to
smoke?
Cigars.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question
mayor
in
response.
I
would
just
preface
my
comments
by
acknowledging
that
the
original
direction
from
Council
through
the
Board
of
Health
to
our
department
was
to
look
specifically
at
issues
regarding
cigarettes
or
so-called
e
cigarettes
and
vaping
of
e-cigarettes
issues
around
the
medicinal
and
other
use
of
marijuana
and
issues
around
the
use
of
water
pipes,
and
in
fact,
the
the
the
question
as
as
opposed
I,
think
reflecting
the
state
of
the
science
in
the
state
of
the
public
debate
does
blend
all
of
those
issues
together.
O
But,
as
we
worked
through
the
the
science
and
and
other
information
around
these
issues,
we
ended
up
recommending
to
the
Board
of
Health
that
we
deal
only
with
the
issues
around
water
pipes
at
this
time
and
the
reason
we
didn't
mix
into
that
that
makes
the
issues
around
a
cigarette
vaping
is
that
the
province
is
currently
doing
that
right
now.
So
your
your
point
that
there
is
debates
about
whether
vaping
of
e-cigarettes
may,
in
fact,
aid
in
cessation
for
some
people
who
are
addicted
to
to
traditional
tobacco
delivery
mechanisms
like
cigarettes
is
indeed
debated.
O
Point
in
the
literature,
nevertheless,
within
the
within
the
public
health
community,
the
ultimate
conclusion
with
respect
to
both
vaping
of
e-cigarettes,
at
least
in
the
local
Canadian
context,
as
well
as
the
use
of
water
pipes,
is
that
the
exact
opposite
is
the
risk
that
the
risk
of
allowing
or
signaling
that
as
a
community
and
as
a
society,
we
wish
to
allow
a
different
form
of
vaping
smoking
of
any
substance,
and
usually
it
ends
up
in
some
way
when
we
test
it
to
include
tobacco.
But
any
substance
is
in
fact
harmful.
O
The
air
quality
literature
is
definitive
that
the
toxic
products
occur
from
from
these
materials
and
in
fact
my
biggest
concern
is
a
one
of
my
biggest
concerns,
as
the
community
physician
is
that
we
send
a
signal
to
our
youth
that
in
fact
we're
remineralizing
the
use
of
smoking.
So
we
do
see
that
the
use
of
water
pipes,
unlike
the
use
of
traditional
tobacco
delivery
systems,
is
in
fact
increasing
in
our
community,
especially
amongst
youth.
Well,.
N
I
do
appreciate
that
doctor
Livia,
but
what
I'm,
having
a
little
bit
of
challenge
with
there's
no
real
study
about
the
the
horrible
shisha
or
the
water,
so
is
it?
Are
we
dealing
with
it
from
a
nooses,
it's
just
so
for
the
record
before
I'm,
unlike
any
college,
I
never
smoked
this.
I
never
been
in
those
shisha
bar,
so
I
don't
even
know
that
they
are
rather
than
hearing
from
our
staff.
Those
some
of
those
shisha
bar
have
staff
working
there
and
those
staff
also
smoke.
N
O
Thank
You
mayor
members
of
council,
it's
the
short
answer
is
these
are
health
reasons
to
my
left
is
a
binder
that
there
is
a
copy
of
studies
that
we've
found
regarding
the
use
of
of
shisha
material.
There
are
several
studies.
Some
of
them
are
Braille
low
quality.
Some
of
them
are
quite
recent,
but
there's
certainly
a
body
of
evidence
now
that
I
believe
is
sufficiently
strong
to
to
urge
governments
at
all
levels
to
take
action
in
this
regard,
and
that's
evidence
about
health
impact.
N
My
other
question
is:
if
the
gut,
if
we
know
the
provincial
government
are,
will
be
dealing
with
the
EO
vibe
cigarette
may
be
wise
to
wait
and
have
the
problems.
Have
it
province
wide
ban
on
this
instead
of
and
I
know,
the
city
would
like
to
say
we
are
bleeding
in
this
area,
I'm,
bad
and
because
that's
something
sexy,
because
we
were
the
first
one
to
say
we
ban
smoking,
but
is
that
when
that
be
wisely
to
wait
for
the
problems,
if
the
prof
is
gonna
deal
with
this
shisha.
O
Thank
you
now.
The
province
has
already
indicated
which
areas
it's
planning
to
address
and
has,
in
fact
taken
taken
that
action
in
the
promulgation
of
both
178
I
believe
it
is
this
year
and
during
our
work
up
for
our
presentation
of
our
recommendations
to
our
Board
of
Health,
we
did
confirm
with
the
province
that
on
this
particular
area,
there
is
nothing
planned
and
so,
in
fact,
we're
making
the
recommendation
to
close
what
we
perceive
to
be
a
regulatory
loophole
that
allows
for,
for
this
particular
loophole
to
be
exploited
and
for
health
impacts
to
occur.
N
N
But
what
I
have
concerned
really
not
given
the
business
people,
especially
the
shisha
bar,
who
establish
just
to
serve
shisha,
not
giving
them
enough
time
to
face
it
and
I
have
a
little
bit
of
concern.
I
would
love
to
see
the
province
stepping
in
and
make
it
province
right,
and
that
would
be
easy
for
all
of
us
to
live
by
that,
but
to
have
one
city
have
it
and
then
have
Almonte
or
ampliar
or
other
municipality.
N
If
we
care
about
the
health
of
our
Canadian
I
think
it
should
be
province
wide
or
maybe
Federal's
decision
that
I
found
it.
Ironically,
you
know
we're
looking
for
the
or
out
government
federal
government.
It
wants
to
legalize
marijuana,
but
then
shisha
without
company
I
know.
If
that
tobacco
one
is
harmful,
but
the
horrible
one
haven't
seen
a
benefit
where
we
don't
see
the
effective
there.
The
hope
you
want
to
suggest
we
should
ban
it,
but
then
we
have
nine
store.
Dispensaries,
wanna,
sell
marijuana
now
and
that's
okay
with
that.
N
P
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
mayor,
and
just
a
couple
questions
to
our
medical
officer
of
Health
regarding
had
the
motion.
That's
on
the
table
for
us
to
deal
with
mr.
dr.
levy,
just
a
question
in
terms
of
time
that
has
been
raised
through
this
motion
time
available
for
these
businesses
to
readapt
or
change.
How
long
has
this
item
being
on
the
forefront
over
the
public
and
the
consultation
that
you
held
with
the
public.
O
Thank
You
mayor
members
of
council,
the
issue
first
arose
in
2012
here
in
Ottawa
as
part
of
our
discussions
and
during
our
consultations
at
the
time
that
we
modernized
the
bylaws
the
relevant
bylaws
in
2012.
We
certainly
publicized
our
interest
in
going
down
this
route,
so
that
was
I
would
say
how
long
we've
had
an
active
debate
in
this
city
and
an
active
discussion
that
I'm,
aware
of
and
have
been
part
of,
is
a
prod
about
for
years.
O
Now,
certainly,
it's
been
fundamental
to
to
the
question
in
the
public
eye
since
council
directed
interest
in
this,
which
was
November
2015.
So
that's
about
eight
months
ago,
I
guess
nine
months
ago
and
I
think
it's
been
part
of
the
public
discourse
for
at
least
maybe
six
to
twelve
months
prior
to
that,
because
several
other
municipalities
in
Ontario
have
been
addressing
this
question.
Toronto
and
Peel
both
moved
within
the
previous
12
months
in
this
direction,
as
well
so
depending
away
you
start
I'd,
say
somewhere
between
2012
and
November
2015.
O
P
O
O
P
The
public
consultation,
dr.
levy-
you
know
you
had
X
number
of
comments
provided
to
our
public
health.
Was
there
ever
an
issue
raised
from
a
business
or
from
even
an
individual?
We
got
in
the
fact
about
the
cultural
aspect
of
this
shisha
bars
and,
if
so,
how
strong
was
that
death
sentiment
of
them.
O
The
issue
has
been
raised
from
time
to
time
from
from
different
quarters.
I
would
I
would
subjectively
grade
that
as
not
especially
strong.
It's
been
we've
heard
from
different
members
of
communities
that
that
hail
from
from
countries
in
the
Middle
East
that
are
traditionally
associated
with
the
use
of
water
pipes
and
we've
heard
a
cross
spectrum
of
opinion.
O
What
we
observe
is
that
the
the
use
of
of
water
pipes
in
our
community
appears
to
be
more
prevalent
amongst
young
people
is
school
age,
high
school-age
students
and
and
university
age
or
college
age
youth
who
are
experimenting,
and
sometimes
using
shisha
or
or
released
water
pipe
agents
as
part
of
the
social
experience
of
their
age
group,
and
that,
of
course,
crosses
beyond
the
cultural.
The
traditional
traditionally
thought
of
cultural,
cultural
groups
and.
P
P
You
for
watching
and
mr.
mayor
those
are
all
the
questions.
I
have
I
just
want
to
make
one
comment
that
listening
to
the
response
from
dr.
levy,
the
public
consultation
alone
was
well
almost
a
year
or
more
so
in
terms
of
the
time
factor.
I
think
the
business
has
had
that
time
as
much
as
I'm
a
former
small
business
owner
I
do
empathize
with
the
businesses
I.
Also
look
at
the
position
of
the
city.
How
we
made
this
city
smoke-free
started
back
in
2000,
and
this
is
just
another
piece
to
that
puzzle
going
forward.
L
L
It's
my
understanding
having
attended
the
committee
meeting,
which
voted
mine
to
1
in
favor
of
the
staff
recommendation
that
there
were
concerns
about
the
timelines
to
implement,
and
the
committee
actually
amended
the
implementation
date
to
be
April
3rd.
That's
when
the
charges
would
be
laid
so
we're
talking
about
7
months,
right
now,
7
months,
to
allow
businesses
to
readapt
and
revolve
themselves
into
entities
and
to
offer
products
and
services
to
their
customer
bases
that
would
be
in
line
with
the
ban
of
City
Council,
so
chooses
it's.
L
My
understanding
that
these
establishments
aren't
zoned
a
social
club
or
water
pipe
bar
they're
zoned
as
eateries
or
restaurants
and
I
just
want
clarification
or
confirmation
that
that's
the
case
that
all
of
these
establishments
that
permit
water
pipe
usage
on
their
premises
are
actually
zoned
as
restaurants.
Is
that
correct.
J
L
You
I
won't
turn
it
off.
It's
my
understanding,
a
committee,
that's
what
I
heard,
and
my
point
is
that
there
are
many
ways
that
these
establishments
can
raise.
Revenues
and
seven-months
allows
them
I
think
an
opportune
time
to
do
that
to
reflect
on.
You
know
what
types
of
products
and
services
to
offer
their
clientele
base
and
dr.
levy
was
was
quite
clear
at
committee
that,
even
though
I
believe
he
himself
like
many
others,
are
sympathetic
to
the
business
realities
and
that
the
owners
are
under
pressure
to
to
make
this
a
go.
L
That
the
the
overriding
paramount
factor
in
this
discussion
is
the
importance
of
preserving
public
health
and
not
to
sacrifice
public
health
in
this
discussion
and
debate,
and
if
we
agree
that
the
evidence
is
overwhelming
that
that
this,
the
usage
of
the
water
pipes
is
bad
for
one's
health.
Why
would
we
delay
that?
Why
would
we
delay
the
implementation
of
a
ban?
Because
if
we
all
believe
that
we're
making
decisions
in
the
public
interest,
then
you
would
want
to
implement
this
sooner
rather
than
later,
so
I
think
seven
months
is
a
fair
compromise.
L
Yes,
there
are
other
cases
where
we
have
domaine
delayed
implementation
or
delayed
the
effective
date
of
a
bylaw,
but
seven
months
is
seven
months,
so
I'm
comfortable
in
that
aspect
and
will
not
be
supporting
the
first
part
of
this
motion.
The
second
part
of
the
motion
deals
with
festivals
and
events
where
water
pipe
usage
is
in
place.
Now
how
many
festivals
or
events
are
we
aware
of
in
this
city,
where
water
pipes
are
used.
J
L
O
L
So
I'm
clear
thee,
because
we've
had
discussions
in
my
office
and
certainly
heard
the
discussion
that
committee
the
at
this
particular
festivals,
that
it's
permitted
under
a
tent,
the
tent
has
basically
a
roof
or
a
ceiling.
That's
considered
an
enclosed
structure.
If
this
was
a
secluded,
adults-only
area
without
a
roof
or
ceiling
to
the
structure,
would
that
then
be
permitted.
O
May
I
I'll
confirm
through
through
you,
with
with
the
city
solicitor
as
to
how
the
bylaw
is
structured,
but
the
definition
of
enclosed
it
would
be
covered.
So
if
there
was
a
roof
to
the
tent
or
if
there
walls
to
the
tent,
that
would
constitute
an
enclosure
in
the
in
the
way
most
of
the
different
types
of
legislation
or
legislative
tools.
O
Different
jurisdictions
have
been
created
with
respect
to
the
tent
area.
It's
our
understanding
that
not
all
of
the
individuals
in
that
tent
area
are
in
facts,
therefore,
for
the
use
of
water
pipes
that
several
several
other
individuals
participate,
and
so
whatever
the
bylaw
or
regulatory
approach
would
be.
Our
strong
public
health
recommendation
to
individuals
in
that
environment,
whether
whether
covered
or
fully
enclosed
or
not,
would
be
that
individuals
who
are
Nordic
but
taking
should
not
be
there.
Okay.
L
Conversations
that
you
and
I
have
had
is
that
you
had
an
issue
with
you
know
the
roof
or
the
ceiling
of
the
tent
and
that
might
keep
the
smoke
in
and
contribute
to
the
secondhand
smoke.
So
I'm
trying
to
address
issues
being
raised
by
the
mover
because
I
don't
see
his
part
to
this
motion
being
successful.
L
But
if
the
issue
is
the
structure
where
people
are
sitting
under,
they
could
do
it,
maybe
in
the
open,
and
there
would
be
a
way
to
balance
the
cultural
practice
at
a
festival
which
is
on
private
property
for
adults,
but
maybe
that's
something
the
festival
can
pursue
it
by
law
and
the
city
solicitor
after
today,
but
for
the
two
pieces
of
this
motion
that
are
before
us,
I
will
not
be
supporting
either.
One
of
them.
I
do
believe
that
the
recommendations
via
Ottawa
Public
Health
are
the
right
direction
to
go.
L
L
Q
Q
I've
gone
through
the
debate
and
discussions
at
Ottawa,
Public
Health
and
following
that
last
week,
at
community
protective
service,
I
think
the
discussion
is
healthy
and
considering
the
options
in
front
of
us,
I'd
like
to
address
three
three
components
to
the
questions
and
some
of
the
colleagues
have
raised
the
province
in
reviewed
bill
178,
which
looked
at
marijuana
also
e-cigarettes
I
participated
in
the
in
the
process
in
the
consultation
and
engage
with
ministers
and
with
MPs
on
the
matter.
There's.
Q
Certainly
they
see
the
importance
of
aligning
the
smoke-free
Ontario
act
in
relation
to
e-cigarettes
and
same
with
marijuana,
but
have
not
contemplated
the
hookahs
situation
for
which
they,
they
pointed
to
the
example
of
the
municipality
of
Toronto,
which
has
installed
a
ban
which
has
worked
well
and
as
said
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
could
enact
such
bylaws
under
our
Authority,
which
I
was
directed
to
I.
Think
there's
also
the
confusion
relating
to
marijuana
and
I
want
to
remains
an
illegal
substance.
As
you
know,
there
is
legal
framework
for
medical
marijuana
and
the
federal
government.
Q
This
can
is
currently
reviewing
that
process
and
will
come
up
with
a
solution.
I
am
told
by
the
Office
of
Bill
Blair,
who
is
the
MP
responsible
for
that
project,
that
there
will
be
no
grandfathering,
rules
relating
to
dispensaries
and
others,
so
that
framework
will
be
established
clearly
now
to
go
into
the
motion.
That's
in
front
of
us
I
think
it.
It
begs
a
few
questions.
Q
One
is
as
a
community
is
there
issues
relating
to
to
hookah
smoke
and
shisha
smoking
and
I
would
address
those
with
two
elements,
one
that
is
that
the
product
is
not
standardized,
so
we
have
we're
always
chasing
and
I'm.
Looking
at
Roger,
who
has
done
some
some
investigation
in
the
past,
relating
to
proving
that
there
are
tobacco
product
that
tobacco
in
the
shisha?
That
is
one
of
the
elements.
Q
The
other
is
that
we've
heard
clearly
from
Israel
levy
that
there
are
other
toxic
element
to
the
she
shed
that
go
far
beyond
the
tobacco
product
and
I.
Think.
On
that
basis,
we
are
here
to
protect
the
public
we've
done
so
with
the
clean
up.
The
air
I
want
to
highlight
the
work
of
our
colleague,
counselor
counselor,
Stephen,
Bell
last
term,
specifically
for
parks
and
public
spaces
and
patios
well
received
by
our
community
and
I.
Think
in
this
case,
Ottawa
Public
Health
has
done
its
due.
Q
Diligence
has
met
with
the
key
stakeholders,
has
done
a
survey
and
overwhelmingly
were
told
by
our
community
that
that
is
a
band
that
our
community
is
comfortable
with,
so
certainly
will
support.
The
report.
I
will
not
be
support
of
the
motion,
because
I
think
it
is
counterintuitive
to
the
objectives
of
what
we're
trying
to
establish.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
council
brockington.
This
question
because
I
think
I
know
what
he
was
trying
to
get
at,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
got
the
answer.
So
mr.
de
Monte
are
any
of
the
existing
establishments
licensed
as
shisha
bars.
In
other
words,
do
we
do
we
issue
that
permit?
No,
no,
we
do
not,
and
so,
if
they
are
operating
with
a
permit,
it
would
be
as
a
restaurant,
correct,
correct
so
to
clarify
the
the
last
element
of
the
question.
I
didn't
have
the
answer.
J
H
J
J
No,
we
could
not
under
curtain
by
us;
no,
they
could
not
be
shut
down
today.
Okay,
I'm,
not
asking
you
do
that
I'm
just
you
said
they
were
in
a
vacuum
and
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
what
that
means.
Just
just
for
clarification
there
to
be
clear,
so
they
don't
have
a
restaurant
license.
They
don't
have
a
license.
We
don't
have
that
category
of
license
for
shisha
bar,
so
they
don't
have
that
type
of
category
of
license
to
operate.
J
Currently
we
don't
have
that
type
of
category
okay
and
and
for
those
that
are
which
is
the
vast
majority
which
have
a
restaurant
license.
Is
there
anything
in
the
Board
of
Health
recommendations
or
CPS
recommendations,
I
guess
through
the
Board
of
Health,
so
anything
those
recommendations
that
would
impact
on
that
majority
of
business
owners
to
continue
to
operate
as
a
restaurant,
I.
O
O
Several
during
our
consultations
indicated
that
they
would
do
that
and
I
suspect
this
is
going
out
on
a
limb,
but
my
concern
would
be
that
from
that
from
what
we
learned
in
the
consultations,
the
expectation
would
be
that
they
were
not
somehow
disadvantaged
and
they
would
seek,
and,
as
with
the
BIA
s,
seek
a
level
playing
field,
so
they
would
have
concerns.
I.
Think
I'd
expect
we'd
hear
concerns
if
some
were
allowed
a
longer
period
and
others
were
not
because
they
were
serving
food.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
K
Thank
you
as
a
member
of
the
Board
of
Health,
as
some
of
my
other
council
colleagues
here,
we
did
receive
quite
a
few
presentations
on
this
topic,
and
volumes
of
reports
were
available
for
us
to
read
as
well,
from
which
the
evidence
seemed
very
clear
to
me.
Fundamentally,
what
we're
talking
about
is
smoking
by
a
different
name,
with
the
risks
being
the
same
or
similar
the
device
through
which
people
are
choosing
to
smoke
a
substance
that
has
been
shown
to
have
negative
health
effects.
In
a
sense
the
device
to
me
becomes
irrelevant.
K
Of
course,
the
whole
east
cigarette
is
the
new
device
and
because
the
province
is
exploring
that
the
Board
of
Health
chose
to
leave
that
to
the
province
and
and
hear
back
on
it.
But
this
was
a
vacuum
on
the
hook
of
the
water
pipes.
And
what
was
clear
to
me
is
that
the
risks
of
smoking,
anything
that
contained
nicotine
and
the
other
substances
that
are
in
tobacco
were
equal
or
possibly
even
greater
than
a
best,
if
I
can
put
it
that
way,
filtered
cigarette.
K
But
there
were
a
couple
of
other
elements
to
that
which
were
very
persuasive
to
me.
All
sorts
of
other
substances
find
their
way
into
the
products
that
are
being
smoked.
The
ones
that
are
labelled
as
containing
tobacco
or
nicotine
also
contains
a
variety.
If
you
will
chemical
soup
of
substances
as
cigarettes
do,
but
furthermore,
many
of
the
herbal
labeled
as
herbal
products
contained
chemical
soups
of
products,
and
we
cannot
be
and
should
not
be
in
the
business
of
analysing
every
product
that's
made
available
for
people
to
smoke.
K
So
the
health
concerns
were
just
as
valid,
even
when
we're
looking
at
the
herbal
products,
even
if
they
are
in
fact
what
they
what
they
say
they
are.
The
final
component
for
me
was
the
cruel
factor.
What
we
are
seeing
and
I
have
this
corroborated
by
my
two
young
adult
children,
going
in
to
a
new
place
to
try
something
new
as
a
gateway
introduction
to
smoking.
Many
of
them
thinking
that
they
were
smoking,
an
innocuous
herbal
product
not
being
aware
that
actually,
they
were
doing
far
more
harm
to
themselves
than
they
were
so.
K
Okay,
consenting
adult
choosing
to
smoke,
but
the
lack
of
adequate
labeling,
the
lack
of
full
understanding
that
causes
concern
to
me
when
we
see
a
cool
factor
and
at
a
time
when
we
are
moving
progressively
away
from
smoking
and
its
health
risks
to
see
a
new
door
opening
that
might
be
attracting
people
in
because
it's
trendy
at
the
moment
and
as
I
say
that
was
corroborated
by
many
friends
and
and
and
family
members.
That's
that
that
was
happening.
Finally,
on
the
question
of
cultural
practice.
K
Yes,
in
in
some
cultures
and
some
members
of
those
cultures,
this
may
be
a
practice,
but
but
that's
a
very
broad
category,
like
you
know
what
is
a
culture,
how
many
people
are
doing
it?
There
are
many
practices
that
for
want
of
a
better
word,
mainstream
Ottawa
culture
has
engaged
in
for
decades,
but
we
no
longer
allow
because
we
have
found
them
to
be
dangerous,
risky
threats
to
health,
etc,
and
so
I
do
not
see
the
argument
that
it's
a
cultural
practices
one
to
prevent.
K
We
as
a
council
from
moving
forward
here,
yes
agreed,
but
this
step
will
not
in
any
way
a
harm
of
those
cultures
and
for
people
who
choose
to
do
so
in
the
privacy
of
their
of
their
home
or
in
private
places.
They
will
still
have
have
the
right
to
to
do
that
and
finally,
I
guess
it
would
be
a
question
and
observation.
K
O
K
I
guessed
in
my
20
seconds
remaining
more
an
observation
than
anything.
I
would
say
that
let's
pick
a
red
wax
game
at
Lansdowne,
there
are
a
lot
of
smokers
as
a
designated
area
where
they
are
required
to
go
in
theory.
Someone
choosing
to
it
may
sound
absurd,
but
in
theory,
someone
choosing
to
smoke
a
water
pipe
in
that
allowed
area
would
still
be
allowed
to
and
in
the
same
way
should
marijuana
be
fully
legalized.
They
would
be
allowed
to
there
too.
K
A
L
A
Okay,
well,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm.
Ok,
if
you
want
to
smoke
after
all,
the
information
that's
gone
out
that
go
ahead,
but
so
but
I
don't
want
to
force
any
businesses
that
if
they,
if
we
can
give
them
the
time
to
retool
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
So
I
would
support
the
first
part
of
the
motion.
But
if
I
could
suggest
to
the
removers
that
they
remove
the
second
part,
then
I
could
support
the
motion
and
that's
it.
A
I
You
mr.
Deputy
Mayor
I'm
Mike,
my
questions
are
about
zoning
and
so
possibly
for
you,
mr.
Moser,
to
jump
in
on
this.
But
you
know
we
have
businesses
that
are
long
established
in
the
city
that
councillor
tyranny
and
I
in
one
particular
case,
Papa
Jack's
popcorn,
if
you
recall,
worked
very
hard
trying
to
get
the
ability
for
him
to
have
a
business,
but
you
know
which
is
a
20
or
30
years
of
running
the
business.
I
But
we
were
not
able
to
accommodate
that
because
we
don't
have
in
our
zoning
policy
something
that
allows
for
that
type
of
purpose
in
this
case,
if,
if
they're,
if
they
don't
have,
if
they
don't
but
they're,
not
operating
a
restaurant
they're,
not
serving
food.
Where
are
we
capturing
the
permission
in
the
zoning
policy
for
this
type
of
use?
And
if
we
don't
have
that,
why
don't
we.
J
Just
thinking
about
it
by
senses
that
we
would,
we
wouldn't
have
a
provision
in
there's
only
but
already
to
it.
If
it's
a
restaurant,
then
it's
regulated
as
a
restaurant,
and
that's
we've
heard
staff
staff
tell
us
coming
to
me
is
almost
like
an
accessory
use.
I
can't
see
us
going
in,
and
you
know,
looking
to,
you
know
put
it
as
as
a
use.
It's
it's
something
that
I
think
wouldn't
be
through.
There's
only
Bella,
so
my
sense
is
only
wouldn't
be,
wouldn't
be
something
we
would
pursue
it's.
You
know
basically
a
an
issue.
I
Bullis,
which,
which
is
what
one
would
gather
because
they're
not
operating
a
restaurant,
they
have
a
business
license,
but
they
don't
have
anything
specific
I
mean
you
could
argue
the
fact
that
there
would
be
a
loophole
where
more
people
actually
could
have.
Businesses
aren't
captured
in
a
zoning
bylaw
or
in
a
mandated
under
the
Health
Board
or
the
bylaws
for
operating
a
business
and
the
use
of
such
business.
That's
very
concerning
to
me
I
think
that,
like
as
a
takeaway
mr.
I
P
I
Looking
for
you
to
include
something
for
popcorn,
okay
or
something
for
water
pipes
or
anything
like
that,
what
I
am
saying
is:
are
we
fairly
comfortable
that
we
have
a
mechanism
within
the
municipal
organization
of
Ottawa
that
does
review
and
legitimize
businesses,
because
I
think
one?
We
could
essentially
be
putting
the
public
at
risk,
but
two
I
think
that
we
have
an
unlevel
playing
field.
So
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time.
J
P
E
But
on
the
other
hand,
I
also
see
that
we've
made
a
lot
of
strides
in
progress
in
anti-tobacco
legislation
more
than
a
decade
ago,
in
terms
of
banning
smoking
in
inside
restaurants
and
and
more
progressive
bylaws
as
well
when
it
comes
to
parts
and
other
places.
But
I
want
to
focus
this
back
on.
The
motion
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
from
the
businesses
during
committee
was
the
fact
that
some
of
them
were
not
aware
or
consulted
properly
and
I
know.
E
We
had
different
numbers
from
staff
versus
the
industry
versus
others
that
were
there
and
I'm
sure
stop
did
a
great
job
in
terms
of
trying
to
reach
out
to
everyone,
but
some
of
them
may
be
difficult
to
find,
or
they
may
be
licensed
in
a
different
way
or
they
just
did
not
pop
up,
because
some
of
them
could
be
a
restaurants
versus
a
specific
hookah
lounge.
So
all
we're
trying
to
say
here
is
to
give
them
some
more
time.
E
It's
a
few
months,
it's
not
a
huge
deal
from
our
perspective,
but
for
them
if
they're
tied
up
in
a
lease
or
if
they're
tied
up
and
loans,
and
they
need
time
to
adjust.
That's
what
we're
saying
we're
not
debating
the
health
from
a
public
health
policy.
I
think
the
evidence
is
clear,
in
my
mind,
at
least
whether
it's
vaping
burning
whatever
you're
doing
you're
putting
something
into
your
system.
E
That's
not
that's
not
a
good
thing,
but
again
that's
up
to
people
to
to
decide
that
if
people
want
to
go
to
the
cigar
lounge,
you
know
and
I
do
every
once
in
a
while.
That's
their
decision
to
do
that.
So
it's
not
for
us
to
tell
people
that.
But
again,
we've
made
a
lot
of
strides
in
progress
when
it
comes
to
anti-tobacco
legislation-
and
you
know
now's
not
the
time
to
turn
the
clock
back
on
that.
E
But
this
is
specifically
for
the
businesses
to
give
them
the
time
to
just
give
them
the
time
to
work,
a
business
plan
and
move
into
something
else
or
to
re
work.
The
existing
establishments
that
they
have
I've
heard
mixed
feedback
and
counselor
medic
raise
this
as
well.
So
what
I
think
we
can
do
here
is
to
vote
on
these
items
separately,
since
there
may
be
some
consensus
on
one,
but
not
the
other,
as
opposed
to
voting
on
the
motion
as
a
whole.
E
So
I'll
be
I'll,
be
supporting
these
motions
based
on
these
this
motion
and
the
two
conditions
in
the
based
on
some
of
the
feedback
that
I
hear
that
community
Protective
Services
from
the
businesses-
it's
not
about
the
science
I-
think
that's
pretty
clear
to
me,
but
to
give
them
that
option
and-
and
you
know
the
second
hand-
smoke
argument
doesn't
fly
here.
Everyone
that's
going
to
a
hookah.
E
D
Okay,
anyone
else
want
to
comment
on
this
item.
We
have
motion
before
us.
I'll
just
offer
a
few
brief
comments,
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
DeRoos
caucus
motion
for
a
number
of
reasons.
If
we
believe
that
the
health
department
and
the
chief
medical
officer
of
health,
then
we
shouldn't
be
prolonging
the
implementation
of
this
particular
bylaw
I.
D
The
notion
that,
let's
let
the
Lebanese
festival
have
this
tent,
where
the
tent
is
about
50
yards
from
amusement
rides
and
that's,
sending
a
pretty
bizarre
signal
to
kids
who
are
coming
to
the
Lebanese
Fun
Fest,
to
go
to
the
Midway
and
have
some
great
Lebanese
food
and
so
on,
and
then
having
to
pass
by
this
smoking
tent,
which
we
don't
allow
for
tobacco
smoke
anywhere.
We
turned
down
Rideau
Carleton
Raceway.
They
wanted
to
have
a
separated
area.
The
airport
wanted
to
have
separate
smoking
lounge
and
we
said
no
to
all
of
those
the
legions.
D
You
remember
that
the
legions
want
an
exemption,
and
that
was
a
very
emotional
debate.
So
I'd
urge
you
not
to
a
vote
for
either
one
or
two
of
this
and
to
support.
The
recommendation
has
come
from
the
Health
Department
and
from
community
Protective
Services,
where
it
was
carried
nine
to
one.
So
we've
been
asked
to
split
the
motion,
so
we'll
have
yeas
and
nays
on
item
number,
one
that
the
charging
phase
of
the
bylaw
be
amended
to
begin
on,
September,
30th,
2017,
yeas
and
nays.
Please.
P
A
On
see
if
yogi
nope,
counselor,
Taylor
nope
can't
say
Manette
no
counselor
Dean's,
no
counselor
medic,
yes,
counselor
egg
line,
no
counselor,
hubely
gonna,
say
bleep
no
counselor,
Moffitt,
nope
counselor
deeper,
no
counselor,
Tierney,
no
counselor
DeRoos;
yes,
that's
their
caucus,
Mayer
Watson,
nope,
four
yeas
19
days.
So.
D
A
D
Then
we
have
the
main
report
on
page
six
of
your
agenda
carried
dissent
by
councilor
de
Roos.
Okay,
thank
you
all.
Thank
you,
dr.
levy
and
your
staff
for
the
good
work
that
you
did.
The
next
item
we
have
on
our
agenda
is
permanent
signs
on
private
property
by
law
and
I
know
that
councillor
harder
and
tyranny,
along
with
councillors,
Moffat
and
des
rues,
have
a
motion.
So
the
last
councillor
harder
to
introduce
our
motion.
D
I
I
Even
though
we
are
not
going
to
affect
grandfathered
signage
staff
have
been
able
to
accommodate
the
concerns
of
the
councillor
in
that
particular
case.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
common
sense
as
well,
but
we
do
have
staff
here
to
speak
to
any
questions.
I
know
that
councillor
McKenney
had
a
question
specific
to
childhood.
Searzall
asked
the
question
to
specific
to
Preston.
Counselor
mckinney
specific
to
Preston
is
the
question
of
the
flashing
signs
and
whether
they
would
be
allowed
now
in
the
part
of
Preston
north.
I
C
My
question
is
not
so
much
about
the
the
flashing
lights,
it's
about
signage
and
how
it
applies
to
Preston
Street
north,
because,
as
many
of
you
will
remember,
we
pulled
Preston
Street
North
out
of
the
traditional
Main
Street
rezoning
and
each
block
has
got
very
specific
and
different
zoning
to
it.
Some
of
it
with
with
different
exceptions,
so
I
think
at
this
point.
I
G
Mr.
mayor
I
was
in
charge
of
the
rezoning
project
that
touched
Preston,
Street
north
and
the
recommendations
in
the
zoning
that
eventually
were
applied
to
Preston
Street
North
had
special,
a
special
and
specific
regard
to
the
residential
character
of
that
stretch
of
the
street
and,
as
a
result,
the
exceptions
that
were
crafted
were
minutely,
prepared
to
recognize
and
limit
the
scale
and
types
of
commercial
uses
that
are
allowed
to
be
introduced,
limit
lot
sizes
and
recognize
the
residential
character
and
the
mix
that
exists.
That
is
very
unique
to
Preston
Street.
I
My
point
is
that
I'm
not
sure
that
we
need
to
do
that
and
I
don't
think
we
do
because
I
think
that
the
way
this
this
is
written
that
and
because
Preston
North
has
already
approved.
Therefore,
the
conditions
that
exist
there
are
the
conditions
that
was
my
understanding
when
we
were
talking
about
is
something
grandfathered,
the
flashing
light
in
councillor
flurries?
Could
we
stop
that?
I
Because
we
deal
with
just
those
kinds
of
things
in
this
new
sign:
bylaw,
permanent
sign,
bylaw
and
while
we
couldn't
we've
dealt
with
it
in
a
different
way,
so
I
wouldn't
I,
don't
understand
why
that
wouldn't
be
protected?
What
is
already
the
case
and
what
in
zoning
allows
there
and
how
restrictive
it
is,
should
be
the
permanent
sign
by
law.
It
should
feed
into
that
not
the
other
way
around.
G
In
the
zoning
bylaw,
we
introduced
new
permissions
for
new
and
very
limited
commercial
opportunities
under
the
sign
bylaw
there
may
be
existing
signs.
That
would
be
grandfathered.
What
I
think
if
I'm
understanding
the
councillor
correctly
we're
trying
to
address
here
is
the
possibility
of
new
signage
and
how
that
new
signage
might
be
introduced.
Well,.
I
D
D
So
if
there's
concern
my
view
is
pull
it
out
and
pass
the
whole
package
without
press,
and
we
can
come
back
to
that
so
before
we
go
on
I
want
it
also
councillor
Moffat
to
introduce
his
motion
because
it's
on
the
same
topic
of
the
bylaw,
the
science
by
lots
of
councillor
Moffat,
you
have
a
motion
seconded
by
Councillor
de
Roos
and
then
we
can
talk
and
question
both.
At
the
same
time,
council
Offutt.
M
He
was
actually
isolated
to
the
rural
area
and
actually
speaks
Morton
to
a
different
bylaw
one
that
will
pertain
to
public
property,
but
it
was
items
that
came
up
through
right.
The
it
was
brought
forward
made
me
from
Osgood
Ward,
but
there
were
some
other
concerns
other
wards,
and
then
we
have
historic
signage
that
some
has
permitted
some
hasn't
permitted
because
other
news
parties
had
different
rules.
So
a
part
of
my
war,
that's
actually
forming
a
pian,
would
not
grandfather
something
where
former
rito
would
go
far
something.
M
M
So
we
have
some
some
bylaws
that
speak
to
signage
on
public
property
in
the
Royal
area.
That's
how
we
identify
farms,
how
identify
places
like
Saunders,
farm
and
different
things
like
that,
so
we're
seeing.
Is
there
a
possibility
where
we
could
help
some
isolated
villages
that
aren't
on
Main
streets,
have
signage
that
directs
residents
easier
to
their
to
the
businesses
or
not,
but
doesn't
actually
look
like
the
landscape
that
we
have
now
sometimes
with
the
larger
signs
occurring
with
about
ten
or
so
in
one
field?
M
D
So
this
well,
it
has
to
do
with
the
signs.
It's
really
more
specific
to
the
rural
areas.
I
think
it's
really
more
of
a
direction
so
on
this
motion
carried
Harry,
okay.
So
now
we're
back
to
councillor
Harder's
motion
seconded
by
Councillor
tyranny
and
the
main
report,
so
if
councillor
flurry
could
deal
with
both
those
items
at
the
same
time,
the
floor
is
yours.
Mr.
Q
Mayor
certainly
I
have
no
problem
with
the
motion.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
few
questions
and
speak
of
the
report,
starting
by
thanking
staff
for
the
consultation,
especially
in
Lower
Town
and
our
marquee
area,
where
residents
were
concerned
around
signage
in
a
heritage
district
and
what
that
would
mean.
So
so.
Thank
you
for
that
and
I
see
the
key
recommendations
as
part
of
the
report.
I'll
go
back
and
I
want
I'd
like
for
also
as
if
you
could
clarify
the
perspective.
Q
F
Mayor
we've
been
able
to
do
that
to
get
the
strobe
light
removed
through
the
use
of
the
property
standards
by
law,
so
because
it's
a
potential
distraction
and
could
be
a
potential
safety
issue
under
the
new
bylaw
we're
adding
some
wording,
and
that
was
including
the
memo
we
circulated
to
councillors
and
is
in
the
motion
to
specifically
include
strobe
lights
as
a
prohibition
from
the
animations.
So
a
sign
that
in
the
future
would
be
covered
through
our
new
bylaw.
The
prohibition
of
a
strobe
light
person.
Q
And
just
could
you
clarify
as
well
the
grandfathering
portion
so
I
understand.
Most
of
the
existing
signs
are
grandfathered
for
those
that
where
we
did
not
have
rules,
those
digital
boards
or
even
the
ones
that
change
change,
warding,
so
I'm,
not
thinking
the
open
that
goes
ope
and
I'm
thinking.
You
know
the
other
ones
where
there's
more
awarding
more
letters.
So
how
would
those
apply
in
this
context?
Q
F
He
what
were
regulating
now
under
the
new
bylaw
is
illuminated
signs
inside
windows.
They
previously
were
not
regulated,
so
any
of
those
existing
illuminated
window
signs
are
grandfathered,
but
once
the
bylaw
comes
into
place
and
in
use,
signs
that
are
illuminated
inside
the
window
for
commercial
business
or
service
would
require
a
permit
and
would
be
regulated
in
terms
of
the
size
where
they
can
be
placed
cetera.
So.
Q
Q
Objects
to
create
a
non
hazardous
condition.
We
can
regulate
under
the
property
standards
by
law.
So
that's
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
specific
to
the
to
the
concern
that
you
had
so
so
a
committee
I
highlighted
the
concerns
over
the
grandfathering
element,
but
my
understanding
is
that
now
that,
with
these
components,
even
if
some
are
grandfathered,
if
they
are
problematic,
we
could
address
them
through
property
standard.
Is
that
fair
to
say?
That's.
F
Q
I
just
want
to
highlight
how
the
the
report
is
complex,
there's,
obviously,
a
lot
of
history
and
signage,
there's
a
demand
for
the
new
types
of
signage,
and
we
know
that
some
of
the
businesses
can
take
advantage
of
inside
the
windows.
But
we've
put
some
clear
parameters
that
allow
for
a
consistent
approach
and
also
protecting
me
at
a
public
crawl.
So
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
for
the
work.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you
very
much.
I
wasn't
able
to
be
at
the
meeting
was
discussed,
but
I
had
a
couple
of
clarifications,
I'd
like
to
find
out
about.
First
of
all,
it
says
that
a
street
includes
the
pedestrian
pathways.
So
that
means
that
places
like
the
outlet
mall,
which
has
an
internal
sidewalk
or
the
place
in
the
centrum.
Whether
you're
internal
is
covered
completely
by
this
sign
by
oh,
so
not
any
visible
to
anybody
except
people
in
that
area.
F
F
R
R
Okay,
but
doesn't
quote
yourself
like
father.
The
other
second
question
I
had
was
raised
at
the
time.
I
know
about
seasonal
things
like
Christmas,
decorations
and
various
other
things,
and
I
didn't
clearly
see
that
I
was
trying
to
find
it,
but
you
actually,
if
somebody
puts
a
Santa
Clause
in
their
window,
that
I
take
it.
That's
not
a
sign.
F
They
can't
hear
you
in
the
memo
we
sent
to
the
counselors.
We
did
explain
that
we
were
changing.
The
wording
of
a
definition
of
a
sign
so
would
clearly
eliminate
those
personal
expressions
so
putting
a
Santa
Clause
in
front
of
your
house.
If
it's
not
associated
with
the
business
is
not
a
sign
about
Tim.
F
R
That's
good,
you
said
in
here.
It
says
that
a
message
center
is
permitted
for
a
school
place
of
worship,
recreation,
athletic
facilities
provided
in
the
several
provisions,
but
has
to
be
along
an
arterial
or
major
collector
Road,
but
some
schools
are
not
on
either
of
those
rows,
so
some
churches
are
not
on
either
of
those
roads.
Does
that
mean
a
church
on
a
residential
street?
Could
not
do
this?
F
F
That
are
what
we
call
the
manual
message
centers
and
the
reason
why
we're
not
permitting
digital
message
centers
on
local
roadways,
where
there's
places
of
worship
for
schools
is
because
usually
those
are
in
the
middle
of
residential
areas
and
most
of
the
public
feel
that
those
message
centers
could
be
take
away
from
their
enjoyment
of
their
homes.
One
day
that
close
to
them.
So
that's
the
reason
why
we're
only
allowing
the
digital's
on
the
the
more
heavily
traveled
roadways.
R
Because
somebody's
going
to
have
to
look
at
in
the
future
because
digital
is
taking
over
as
you
know-
and
they
can
be
done
in
a
way
that
they're
not
so
obtrusive
and
the
I
think
it's
just
putting
a
sort
of
extras
on
those
simply
because
of
history,
where
they're
located
in
a
way
I
guess
I
best
thing
to
do
is
to
try
it
I
wouldn't
see,
creates
a
problem
then
deal
with
it.
Okay,
those
are
the
issues
that
I
had
to.
Thank
you
for
that.
R
So
I'd
be
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
the
walkway
areas,
because
sometimes
they
need
the
signs
and
our
people
see
what's
in
there.
I
just
assist
the
flashing
and
things
or
one
other
question
that
came
up
when
a
business
changes,
name
because
it's
bought
out.
This
is
like,
for
example,
all
that
Luke
Clint
was
darted
out
by
Nokia.
R
They
had
to
change
the
name
same
company
same
people,
different
name
and
I've,
had
problems
with
sona's
saying
they
had
to
go
back
to
square
one
as
if
it's
a
brand
new
sign
with
all
sorts
of
costs-
and
things
are
you
identified
in
here-
how
you've
got
it
so
that
they
can
maintain
them,
but
they
don't
I,
didn't
see
if
the
the
said
of
the
business
change
of
hands
just
notify
them.
But
if
the
business
changes
name
same
business,
how
do
you
deal
with
it?
Cuz?
It
happens
in
the
high
tech
all
the
time,
yeah.
F
I'm
not
normally
a
practice
has
been
if
the
sign
is
exactly
the
same
other
than
of
the
copies
changing.
So
there's
no
physical
change
to
the
sign.
Normally,
we
do
not
require
a
new
permit
for
that.
So
if
it's
a
simple
business
change,
but
sometimes
they
do
make
a
physical
change,
the
sign
which
would
require
a
nice.
R
Ml
Vanilla's
and
a
long
name,
it
says
Nokia
short
name
and
the
names
different
they've
done.
It
I
know
what
they're
already
done.
But
what
and
the
other
thing
is
community
signs
that
will
entrance
to
community
things
they're
now
requiring.
But
we
looked
after
by
the
community
associations
are
those
covered
under
here.
R
It's
a
it's
a
Community
Association
signs
for
neighborhoods,
but
by
a
walk
they
had
to
replace
that
one
and
we
had
to
I
had
to
take
it
to
committee
to
get
it
approved
in
the
end,
because
it
wasn't
a
way
of
dealing
with
it
properly.
But
there's
a
lot
of
these
community
ones
that
are
getting
a
bit
too
cute
I
see
you've
got
in
there.
R
F
H
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
agree
with
the
amendment
I
think
that's
an
improvement
overall,
so
I'm
happy
to
support
that.
What
bothers
me
in
this
report,
though,
is
item
number
three
of
the
shopping
center
signage.
It
says
staff
have
been
asked
to
consider
the
feasibility
of
further
increasing
the
permitted
size
of
ground
signs
for
large
shopping,
centers
I'm.
Guessing
it
wasn't
the
community
that
was
asking
for
bigger
signage
at
large
shopping
centers.
So
who
was
asking.
F
F
Not
be
permitted
as
big
as
what
they
would
like.
So
we
are
increasing
a
little
bit
the
size
of
the
electronic
message
centers
in
the
outside,
the
Greenbelt,
we're
proposing
an
increase
from
six
meters
squared
to
7.5
meters,
squared
and
just
speaking,
about
the
electronic
message
setup,
and
they
would
like
much
more
than
that.
They've
been
asking
for
much
more
than
that.
Okay,
but.
H
Not
the
examples
that
you
have
on
pages
10
and
11
of
the
report,
just
the
big
signage
at
big
shopping,
centers,
so
I'm
thinking
about,
for
example,
South
case
in
my
area.
They
have
a
whopping
big
sign.
There
now
I'm
sure
can
see
it
from
a
place,
a
kilometer
away.
This
would
allow
them
to
upsize
that
sign.
F
The
what
we're
doing
is
we
are
permitting
an
increase
in
the
size
of
the
shopping
center
as
the
total
size
from
20
meters
squared
to
25
meters,
squared
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
if
South
Keyes
might
have
gotten
a
variance,
but
most
of
the
shopping
centers
are
about
the
20
meters
squared.
So
we
would
be
allowing
a
little
bit
more
to
allow
for
more
tenant
identification.
But
the
issue
is
nor
the
size
of
the
message
center
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
message
center
on
the
South
Keys
1
right
now,
a
changing
message
center.
F
H
Sign
presume
a
presuming:
they
didn't
get
variance
because
I
don't
believe
they
did
I
remember
at
the
time.
The
community
was
not
happy
with
the
size
of
the
signage
going
there,
so
presumably
they
will
be
able
to
upsize
their
sign.
If
this
were
to
change,
that's
correct,
well,
I,
don't
agree
with
that.
I
think
that's
a
bad
idea!
I
think
it's
very
excessive.
This
is,
in
my
opinion,
visual
blight
beyond
being
able
to
read
it
and
know
that
the
the
shopping
mall
is
there
anything
that
just
super-sizes
those
signs
is
visual
blight.
J
J
But
when
I
look
through
the
motion,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
it
fix
it
fixes
it
so
I
want
some
confirmation
that
for
churches,
synagogues
temples
that
at
particular
times
a
year,
whether
it's
Christmas
or
Hanukkah
or
Easter,
eat,
or
whatever,
that
there's
no
impact
they'll
still
be
able
to
advertise
services
or
special
events
related
to
the
religious
services
or
celebrations.
I.
Just
wasn't
clear
to
me
and
I
just
want
on
the
record
that
that
that's
all
still,
okay
and
nothing
we're
suggesting
here,
is
going
to
impact
negatively
on
that.
F
F
Maybe
that's
correct.
There
will
be
allowed
to,
depending
on
what
zone
they're
in
a
place
of
worship
will
be
able
to
change
its
messages
either
every
20
seconds
or,
if
they're
more
in
the
residential
area,
but
on
on
an
arterial
or
collector
Road
it'll
be
every
six
minutes.
They
can
change
the
message.
The
content
of
the
message
is
not
regulated
by
the
bylaw,
so
whether
they're
as
long
as
it's
related
to
the
place
of
worship
to
that
site
and
on-premise
message.
F
J
J
J
Doubling
the
number
of
billboards
permitted
on
a
particular
artery,
because,
again,
the
proposal
is
to
change
the
definition
of
150
meter
radius
to
apply
only
on
the
same
street
side.
I.
Think,
in
light
of
the
fact
that
you
know,
although
residents
I,
think
accept
that
some
billboards
are
part
of
you
know
the
urban
landscape
I
don't
think
there
was
a
convincing
rationale
in
the
staff
report
why
we
ought
to
allow
for
the
potential
doubling
of
them
in
the
urban
landscape.
J
Recognizing
that
you
know,
people
want
to
reclaim
the
public
air
space
away
from
the
commercialization
again
I'm,
not
saying
that
some
amount
of
billboards
isn't
reasonable,
given
the
provincial
landscape
but
again
unconvinced
why,
in
2016
we
would
move
to
potentially
allow
for
more
billboards
in
the
urban
space,
and
so
that
was
the
reason
why
I
voted
against
the
supplanting
and
and
why
I'll
be
voting
against
it
here
at
Council.
Thank
you.
So.
F
Across
the
street
from
another,
because
there's
a
hundred
and
fifty
meter
separation
distance
between
the
two
and
usually
the
rights-of-ways,
are
less
than
that,
so
it
pushes
the
billboard
a
little
further
away
from
the
one
across
the
street.
Under
the
current
bylaw
under
the
proposed
bylaw,
we
are
eliminating
that
regulation.
However,
billboards
still
have
to
meet
many
other
requirements.
They
still
have
to
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
meters
from
each
other
on
the
same
side
of
the
street.
They
have
to
be
three
hundred
meters
away
from
any
residential
use.
F
F
C
You
mr.
mayor,
so
I
just
want
to
pick
up
on
that,
though,
because
again
I
support
this
report
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
good
work,
that's
gone
into
it,
but
if
I
under
stand
correctly,
though,
that
means
that
potentially,
where
you
used
to
have
one
billboard
on
one
side
of
the
street,
now
you
will
have
to
so.
You
are
in
essence
in
the
urban
area,
doubling
within
150
meters.
C
The
number
of
billboards
on
one
side
of
the
street
they're
not
the
same
I,
understand
that
two
different
messages,
but
we
are
still
saying
a
150
block
space
rather
than
two
we
can
now
have
four
billboards
is
that
is
that
correct?
Oh
sorry,
within
300
meters
we
can
now
have
four
billboards.
Is
that
correct.
F
F
In
fact,
there's
only
maybe
a
few
situations
where
somebody
could
now
put
a
billboard
directly
across
the
street
and
the
reason
is,
is
because,
if
it's
in
an
area
where
billboards
you
know
the
companies
want
to
locate
billboards,
they
will
have
usually
located
across
the
street
but
further
north
or
south,
or
you
know
further
up
or
down
from
directly
across.
So
there
already
is
one
across
the
street,
typically
on
a
lot
of
the
major
roadways
that
we
see,
but
it's
just
a
little
further
away
to
meet
that
hundred
and
fifty
meters
setback.
F
So
they
would
not
be
able
to
insert
a
new
one
directly
across
the
street
because
they
still
have
to
meet
150
meters
beside
each
other.
So,
theoretically,
you
know
it
appears
that
it
would
be
doubling,
but
the
reality
is
that
it
wouldn't
because
of
that
per
you
know
the
existing
bylaw,
which
still
requires
150
meters
along
the
same
side
of
the
street,
for
billboards
to
be
located.
C
Okay,
yeah
I
get
that,
but
it's
still,
even
though
theoretically
I
am
than
what
you're
saying
there
will
be
instances
or
there
can
very
well
be
instances
where
we
will
see
a
doubling
of
billboards.
We
will
see
an
increase
in
the
number
of
billboards
along
a
street
in
the
urban
area
and
I'm,
just
not
I,
guess:
I'm,
not
I'm,
unsure
and
I'm
unconvinced
as
to
what
the
benefit
is
to
to
the
area
to
to
residents.
What
is
that?
What
is
that
benefit.
F
Most
of
the
places
where
there
are
opportunities
for
billboards
tends
to
be
on
streets
that
are
that
don't
have
any
residential
nearby,
because
really
that
is
the
controlling
factor.
Right
now
is
because
we
have
a
300
meter,
light
sheds
setback
from
residential
zones.
A
lot
of
our
streets
that
have
say
arterioles
that
have
residential
sale
across
the
street,
essentially
prohibit
the
location
of
billboards.
Yes,
and
most
of
the
billboards
that
would
be
permitted
would
be
and
say
in
the
streets
with
a
lot
of
industrial
zones,
or
you
know,
primarily,
all
commercial,
very
little.
C
Understand
that,
but
you
know
in
if
we
take
the
downtown,
for
example,
we
still
we
still
are
concerned
about
our
public
space
and
the
public
realm,
and
what
what
is
visual
and
what
is
available
to
you
so
I
get
that
that
it's
not
in
in
a
residential
area.
But
you
are
still
moving
around
this
space
where
you
will
potentially
and
unlikely
I,
think
have
a
doubling
of
billboards
and
I'm,
just
I
guess
I'm
just
unconvinced
as
to
what
the
the
need
for
that
is.
C
So
I
think
I'm
going
to
move
a
motion
that
we
just
simply
amend
that
that
permitted
use.
So
it's
table
6b
just
to
remove
to
delete
the
words
after
billboard
so
that
we
still
had
150
meters
from
the
nearest
part
of
any
other
static
billboard,
but
we've
removed
on
the
same
side
of
this
on
the
same
side
of
the
street,
oriented
to
the
same
oncoming
traffic
and
the
reason
mr.
mayor
for
that
is
really
I.
Think
that
you
know
we
have
to
continue
to
protect.
You
know
protect
our
public
space
even
in
commercial
areas.
C
It's
it's
easy
to
think
of
you
know
going
out
into
some
big
industrial
area,
and
what
does
it
matter?
I
think
it
still
does,
but
there
are
many
other
areas
in
any
urban
area
where
we'll
want
to
we'll
want
to
keep
those
protections.
So
my
motion
will
simply
be
to
delete
the
words
after
billboard
on
Table
six,
be
a
that
says
on
the
same
side
of
the
street,
oriented
to
the
same
oncoming
traffic.
K
I
guess
I've
certainly
have
great
interest
in
seeing
what
that
might
look
like,
because,
while
while
I'm
somewhat
placated
by
hearing
it's
highly
unlikely
given
other
conditions
when
I
hear
theoretically,
that's
possible,
that's
enough
concern
for
me!
Theoretically,
you
might
have
you
know
doubling
the
number
of
billboards
I'd
like
to
see
what
we
can
do,
so
we
can
make
that
not
theoretically
possible,
since
that
seems
to
be
the
intent
anyway.
K
D
So
we'll
just
wait
for
that.
We
have
the
harder
tyranny
motion
and
just
to
let
everyone
know
friendly
amendment
counselor
McKenney
has
brought
for
the
council,
Harder's
agreed
to
and
I'll
read
it
to
you.
We
add
on
item
number
four:
the
properties
fronting
on
or
backing
onto
Preston
Street
between
Somerset,
Street
and
Albert
Street
be
exempt
from
the
proposed
new
permanent
signs
bylaw,
with
the
direction
to
staff
to
come
forward.
The
planning
committee
with
and
with
the
current
bar
law,
enforce
to
continue
to
apply
to
these
lands
until
new
regulations
are
passed.
D
So
that's
friendly
and
I
think
we
can
deal
with
this
now
and
just
come
back
to
your
motion,
councillor
McKinney
as
you
get
it
typed
up.
So
we
have
the
harder
tyranny
motion
with
a
friendly
amendment
from
councillor
McKenney
on
the
motion
carried
all
right.
So
we'll
just
wait
and
then
we'll
deal
with
the
main
motion,
and
here
it
comes
here
so
that
table
6b
be
amended
to
delete
the
words
after
quote
billboards,
so
that's
moved
by
McKenney.
Second,
it
by
flurry.
I
It's
a
surprise
because
it
didn't
come
up
before
when
we've
dealt
with
this
and
we've
had
lots
of
time
over
the
summer
and
we've
had
memos
that
have
come
out
and
I,
don't
know.
If
mr.
Burdon
would
tell
you
whether
he
had
anybody
commenting
nobody
in
the
time
frame
at
all.
So
it
is
a
surprise
and
therefore
I
would
like
to
have
comment
from
mr.
Medina
on
this
place.
I
K
O
C
B
I
D
You
okay,
so
the
new
motion
will
be
McKenney
Fleury
that
tables
6a
and
6b
be
amended
to
delete
the
words
after
billboard.
Is
that
correct
staff?
Okay,
on
the
motion
carried
on
the
report
is
amendment
carried
dissent
by
councillor
Dean's,
okay,
so
motion
to
adopt
reports,
no
support
on
adoption,
dog
report
councillors,
Moffitt
and
medic.
Please.
M
That
a
pushover
fiscal
committee
report,
19
I,
think
I
slurred
my
words
there
can
you
Protective
Services
were
me:
well,
she
spent
a
long
day.
It
hasn't
been
long,
it's
just
that!
There's
been
so
much.
She
should
secondhand
smoke
and
I
said
it's
Eva
and
get
my
key.
That's
Canadian
for
at
16
and
plan
committee
reports,
29
a
and
30
be
receiving,
adopt
as
amended
motion
carried.
D
I
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
mayor,
so
just
to
be
clear.
Everyone
I
had
I
didn't
send
this
out,
but
it's
a
map
of
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
anything
about
Bar
Haven
or
haven't
seen
the
building.
It
is
very
close
to
the
416
at
the
edge
of
the
Costco
parking
lot.
So
not
the
building.
The
building
is
tucked
at
the
4:16
side
of
the
property.
It's
still
300
meters
281
mean
meters
to
the
closest
other
side
of
stranded.
I
Additionally,
to
this,
it's
something
that
I
am
putting
forward
because
it's
about
the
inside
and
it's
the
rare
cases
that
they'll
need
to
do
work
24/7
on
the
inside.
That
could
be
for,
like
drywall
electrical
finishing
tile
and
the
washrooms
that
sort
of
thing
there.
It
is
very
important,
I'm
sure,
beyond
bar
Haven,
but
the
excitement
in
bar
Haven
mean
to
allow
this
to
open
in
advance
of
Christmas
and
on.
C
A
I
D
Next
item
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
is
moved
by
Councillor
Cloutier
seconded
by
Councillor
flurry,
because
there's
a
time
deadline
of
September
2nd
for
the
community
celebration
program
of
the
province
of
Ontario
for
150
on
suspension
carried
councillor
klutzy.
If
you'd
like
to
introduce
it.
This,
the
co-chair
of
the
2017
with
councillor
flurry.
A
D
So
on
the
report
adopt
a
carry
there's
another
item
that
was
notice
of
motion
by
councillor
Qadri
has
asked
that
we
move
it
to
a
motion
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
with
respect
to
the
Erica
weave
gymnasium
gimnasia
Erica
Webb
I'm
seconding
it
because
of
the
timing
of
miss
Webb's
next
visit
to
Ottawa,
because
she's
back
in
Calgary
training,
so
on
suspension
of
the
rules,
Karrie
counselor
Qadri.
If
you'd
like
to
introduce
the
motion
and
maybe
tell
council
a
little
bit
about
the
great
celebration
you
had
out
in
Statesville
last
week.
Thank.
P
P
Our
family
is
right
now
she's
residing
in
Calgary
at
the
present
time
and
as
the
mayor
just
mentioned,
we
wanted
to
name
the
gymnasium
in
Gujrat
Complex
in
her
honor
and
because
of
the
timeline
of
a
wizard
coming
up,
and
we
wanted
to
finalize
the
details
of
that
I'm
asking
for
this
motion
to
be
moved
today
at
Council
to
see
if
we
can
accept
it
today.
So
we
can
start
the
process
going
forward.
P
The
the
name
or
the
gymnasium
name
has
been
vetted
through
the
emergency
services
and
there's
not
pose
any
concern
with
the
respective
name,
duplications
or
any
of
those
concerns
and
I.
Think
it's
a
great
honor
not
only
for
Erika,
but
also
for
the
city
to
have
a
gold
medalist
within
amongst
us
and
I.
Think
there's
going
to
be
more
in
the
future
in
2020
and
beyond,
so
I
think
it's
an
appropriate
motion
to
go
forward
as
soon
as
possible.
So
thank
you
and
I'm.
Looking
for
your
support,
great.
D
Questions
comments
on
the
motion
carried
congratulations
again
to
Erica
and
Thank
You
councillor
Qadri.
Are
there
any
other
motions
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
of
procedure
at
this
time
again?
Diesel
most
shown
most
should
notice,
is
a
motion
for
consideration
of
subsequent
meeting
councillor
lsanty
resale
by
councillor
Moffat
with
respect
to
the
feed
and
tariff
program.
D
I
think
we
mentioned
that
I
think
what
we
want
to
try
to
do
in
the
future
is
have
this
blanket
approval,
so
they
don't
keep
coming
back,
but
apparently,
when
we
did
the
last
time
it
was
just
a
one-year
period
and
the
the
one
year
is
up
so
we'll
deal
with
it
again
now,
but
I
think
direction.
Do
staff
is
that
we
do
it
for
the
term
account
because
most
of
these
are
non-contentious
and
I.
Think
of
it
as
the
ward
councillor
support
that
makes
sense
so
councils
and
Terry.
Please
thank
you.
N
Thank
you
me,
Sydnor
and
they're.
Both
there
most
of
motion
for
next
council
meeting,
moved
by
myself
seconded
by
councillor
Moffat.
One
of
the
motion
is
it
talks
about
the
rooftop
solar
general
project
and
that
received
the
former.
So
basically,
as
you
said
mr.
mayor,
this
is
the
four
twelve
month
and
I'm
hoping
our
staff
can
increase
this,
at
least
for
the
end
of
term,
that
they
keep
coming
back
and
we
have
another.
D
G
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
a
small
motion
there
for
our
next
council
meeting,
a
local
diner
wants
to
put
in
fold-back
windows
that
would
project
a
small
amount
into
the
public
right-of-way.
The
the
same
establishment
could
as
of
right,
put
a
table
and
chairs
without
requiring
any
permission
into
that
space,
so
just
helping
him
get
to
some
windows
in
place.
Thank
You.
Mr.
mayor,
thank
your
support
on
that
are.
D
D
G
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
mayor,
and
this
is
just
real
quickly,
based
on
last
year's
inquiry,
about
looking
using
online
tools
for
budgeting
to
give
yet
another
avenue
for
constituents
to
tell
us
what
they
feel
because,
frankly,
when
we
were
doing
our
regional
meetings,
there
are
small
numbers
of
people
coming
out
now
we're
crashing
malls
like
the
Eastern
Bloc,
but
this
is
just
yet
another
tool
and
I'd
like
to
think
of
the
mayor
and
specifically,
staff,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
has
gone
into
this
and
for
those
listening
at
home.
G
If
you
visit
all
the
dossier
or
go
to
Ottawa
city
budget
comm,
you
can
make
the
same
kind
of
decisions
that
we
make
here
at
City
Hall,
where
you
have
15
categories,
and
you
can
actually
put
in
your
own
impact
assessment,
your
value
of
your
home
and
use
square
bars
to
determine
how
much
plus
or
minus
and
categories
your
tax
is
what
increase
or
decreased
on
base.
What
you
want
so
that
feedbacks
very
important
so
again.
Thank
you.
Mr.
mayor
had
a
tremendous
things
to
staff
and.
D
M
Just
before
I
do
this
I
should
let
you
know
councillor
duties
was
hoping
to
you
congratulate
councillor
Taylor
and
you've
stolen
that
thunder
from
him,
so
he
was
expressing
his
disdain
for
that
that
the
Proceedings
of
the
City
Council
meeting
of
three
firsts
about
31st
of
August
2016
be
adjourned.
The
motion.