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Agenda 10, May 12, 2022 / Ordre du jour 10, le 12 mai 2022
Ottawa Police Services Board Policy and Governance Committee Meeting
Réunion du comité des politiques et de la gouvernance de la commission de services policers d’Ottawa
A
So
this
is
the
first
committee
meeting
for
the
policy
and
government
committee,
so
the
committee
members
are
member
of
the
staff
myself
and
member
from
and
vice
chair
here
to
director.
So
just
a
little
bit
about
the
committee
committee,
his
advisory
committee,
we
receive
your
presentation
and
we
make
recommendation
to
the
board
and
the
board
will
have
the
finance
say.
So
we
don't.
A
A
we'll
begin
with
a
land
acknowledgement.
I'd
like
to
recognize
that
ottawa
has
located
on
unseated
territory
of
the
algonquin
and
snobby
host
nation.
The
peoples
of
the
algonquin
and
shinabi
nation
have
lived
in
this
territory
for
milan,
their
culture
and
presence
have
pictured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
The
ottawa
service
board,
honored
the
people
and
the
land
of
the
nation.
Today
ottawa
is
a
home
to
approximately
40
000.
A
A
A
Of
confirm,
mr
chair,
okay,
because
we
were
not
on
the
committee
at
the
time
of
those
minutes,
so
we
can
only
receive
them
instead
of
controlling,
but
that's
going
to
overfeed
great.
Thank
you
right
to
work.
I
guess
great.
Thank
you.
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
the
committee
chair
for
the
policy
and
governance
committee.
Like
all
committees,
this
is
very
important
and
I
believe
both
governance
and
policy
are
important
to
us.
A
A
B
B
So
we
have
a
presentation
we
have.
I
have
some
brief
opening
comments.
Members
of
our
team
members
of
the
academic
team,
as
well
as
community
equity
council
who
present
on
information
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
engage
in
conversation,
answer
questions
because
I
think
that's
the
that's
the
the
best
part
of
these
communities.
B
B
The
ops
has
leveraged
their
expertise
in
the
past
from
2013
to
2018,
we
undertook
the
largest
race-based
data
collection
in
policing
history
with
the
chocolate
stall
race-based
data
collection
project.
We
know
that
the
results
of
those
studies
are
essential
for
measuring
inequities
and
disproportionalities
that
affect
the
people
we
serve.
B
We
acknowledge
that
systemic
racism
and
barriers
exist
in
our
society
and
we
know
that
these
all
these
issues
also
exist
in
policies.
Policing
is
a
vital
service.
We
must
work
to
ensure
that
it
treats
everyone
fairly
and
actively.
You
know
currently,
but
it
does
not.
Before
you
hear
our
presenters,
I
want
to
lay
out
some
of
the
highlights.
B
In
2020.
Amongst
the
314
000
calls
for
service.
There
were
348
use
of
forest
incidents
reported
involving
427
people.
The
study
found
there
was
disproportionately
high
incidents
involving
black
middle
eastern
and
indigenous
persons
as
compared
to
percentages
of
the
population
of
the
rest
to
the
community.
B
We
need
to
understand
these
disparities
and
work
to
eliminate
them
and
we're
taking
steps
to
identify
and
resolve
these
matters.
A
key
element
to
the
work
is
their
community
engagement.
We
continue
to
support
resource
co-lead
and
totally
the
community
equity
council,
which
provides
valuable
insights
and
guidance
on
initiatives
impacting
ottawa's
communities.
B
Our
members
are
an
integral
part
of
these
discussions.
No
one
wants
to
see
systemic
issues
negatively
affect
our
people
and
our
communities.
It's
our
members
engagement
on
this
issue
that
will
be
a
major
factor
in
any
positive
change.
Moving
us
forward.
This
discussion
is
vital
to
the
future
of
policing
and
the
communities
that
we
serve.
The
studies
created
an
opportunity
to
have
a
productive
conversation
in
our
community,
and
discussions
will
lead
to
change.
B
The
ops
accepts
all
of
the
york
ontario
tech
team's
recommendations,
which
has
led
to
developing
a
use
of
force,
review
committee
in
partnership
with
the
community
equity
council,
which
is
compromised
of
police
and
community
members
to
review
reports
on
use
of
force
incidents.
Similarly
to
what
we
have
done
in
respect
to
violence
against
human
issues.
B
Identification
of
these
disparities
is
the
first
step
towards
understanding
how
this
affects
our
racialized
communities,
as
well
as
reducing
or
eliminating
perceived
barriers
to
reporting.
This
important
work
will
help
us
to
resolve
inequities
in
our
response:
continuing
the
roll
out
of
responsive
internal
education
and
training
programs
and
co-development
solutions
that
lead
to
lasting
and
systemic
changes.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
daniel
cockey
to
continue.
A
A
A
Police
officers
in
canada
have
a
common
law
duty
to
protect
life
and
public
safety
fulfill
this
duty.
They
must,
at
times
use
force
to
not
use
force
to
protect
public
safety
may
be
considered
a
day
election
of
duty
that
may
result
in
the
officer
being
charged
under
the
police
services
act
or
under
the
criminal
code,
while
the
use
of
force
is
not
expressly
expressly
sanctioned
under
common
law,
it
includes
an
understanding
that
force
may
at
times
be
required
to
support
the
use
of
force,
application
and
service
delivery.
A
Ops
officers
receive
dedicated
training
and
use
force
procedures
and
regularly
qualification.
Training.
Police
officers
in
canada
are
also
authorized
to
use
force
by
federal
statute,
provincial
statute
and
service
policy
procedure.
The
theory
use
of
force
is
guided
by
the
use
of
force
model,
which
is
pictured
to
the
right
of
the
graphic.
The
use
of
horse
model
was
developed
to
assist
in
the
training
of
police
officers
and
serve
as
a
reference
when
making
decisions
and
explaining
officers
actions
with
respect
to
use
of
force.
A
The
model
does
not
justify
an
officer's
actions
rather
identifies
to
the
officer
the
steps
they
must
take
to
ensure
the
actions
they
take
are
appropriate
and
measured.
It
assists
to
ensure
the
most
reasonable
and
proportionate
application
of
force
in
all
circumstances
in
2020
officers
were
dispatched
to
just
under
220
700
calls.
A
The
reporting
on
use
of
force
data
in
2020
indicates
a
total
of
348
incidents
where
use
of
force
was
involved
involving
427
subjects.
This
represents
less
than
0.16
of
the
total
police
responses
in
2021
and
3.1
of
the
responses
which
resulted
in
arrest
use
of
force.
Reporting
allows
us
to
further
analyze
data
by
call
type
of
the
348
you
support.
Incidents
in
2020
40
were
for
mental
health.
Apprehensions
36
were
for
a
warrant,
service,
13
were
for
suspicious
persons,
50
were
for
disturbance,
calls
and
93
for
weapons
calls.
A
A
The
anti-racism
act
requires
public
sector
organizations
to
correct
analyze.
The
report
on
race-based
data,
with
the
goal
of
identifying
systemic
racism
and
racial
disparity
and
access
to
services
and
outcomes.
The
legislation
applies
to
organizations
across
education,
child
welfare
and
the
justice
sectors.
A
A
Data
collection
on
use
of
force,
as
well
as
subsequent
analysis
interpretation,
is,
and
will
continue
to
be,
a
tough
party.
Given
that
we
have
once
again
turned
forgiveness.
We
have
once
again
turned
to
dr
foster
and
dr
deacons
to
guide
critical
analysis
of
the
data
collected
with
respect
to
instances
of
force.
A
While
the
autopsy
service
is
required
to
provide
an
annual
news,
support
report
to
the
autopsy
service
board,
that's
annually
this
more
robust
and
in-depth
look
took
additional
time
and
resources
to
incorporate
the
new
provincial
legislative
requirements
for
the
2020
reporting
year
as
you'll
see
shortly.
The
first
year
results
do
highlight
disproportionality
for
some
communities,
particularly
black
and
middle
eastern
communities.
This.
A
A
A
An
important
broad
objective
of
the
analysis
was
to
determine
whether
there
were
any
disproportionalities
or
high
incidences
of
racialization
or
racialized
subjects
experiencing
use
of
forced
incidents
involving
the
ottawa
police
service
and
the
benchmark
for
measuring
disproportional
those.
Fortunately,
high
incidents
is
the
general
population
called
residential
benchmark
census,
benz
benchmark
in
relation
to
different
racial
groups
and
the
benchmark
was
used
or
calculated
or
developed
through
the
stats,
canada
microdata
for
the
2016
census.
A
The
2021
census
been
completed,
of
course,
but
that
data
collection
of
those
census
data
products
are
going
to
be
released
this
year
and
we
could
use
that
updated
data.
Now.
What
was
the
the
findings?
What
did
the
data
tell
us?
Well,
as
we
mentioned,
it
was
over
representation
of
particular
groups.
The
ops
data
collection
revealed
disproportionalities
in
relation
to
blacks
in
relation
to
eastern
middle
eastern
people,
individuals
and
indigenous
subjects.
A
There's
a
need
to
keep
moving
forward
towards
developing
a
higher
level
of
sophistication
or
higher
level
of
objectivity
and
measurability
through
improved
statistical
measures
going
along
it's
important
to
to
realize
that
in
this
year,
adding
race
to
an
existing
data
collection
system
is
not
the
end
of
the
story.
We
need
to
refine
that
data
collection
system
to
actually
adapt
to
this
new
reality.
This
is
a
new
vision
that
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
racial
disparities,
and
in
that
measure
we
suggest
that
you
use
a
more
multiple
benchmarking
post.
A
A
A
Also,
geographic
variables
can
be
added
to
the
data
collection
process,
location,
for
instance,
sort
of
neighborhoods
division,
time
charges
late,
et
cetera.
All
of
that
is
available
and
can
be
explored
in
the
data.
That's
been
collected,
multiple
outcome
measures
which
can
form
findings
and
and
racial
disparities
in
terms
of
the
highest
use
of
force,
severity
of
use
of
force,
etc.
A
A
These
disparities
exist
and
we
need
to
link
the
use
of
forced
data
to
more
administrative
to
the
internal
data
in
better
ways
and
better
ways
to
understand
use
of
force
and
give
us
a
more
rich
and
robust
source
of
information
and
for
analysis
of
race
data
and
more
nuanced
and
sort
of
three-dimensional.
Understandings
of
the
relations
between
police
and.
A
A
And
what
can
we
learn
from
all
those
success
stories
which
truthfully
don't
enter
into
the
data
at
all,
because
they're,
seemingly
invisible
without
pulling
know
what
the
nature
of
those
calls
are
with?
How
do
how
in
particular
calls?
These
are
ways
in
which
we
can
better
understand
where,
where
the
escalation
works,
all
of
those
pieces
that
ideally
putting
things
in
context
around
that
will
actually
move,
really
move
the
conversation
forward,
and
I
don't
think
anybody
in
this
room
thinks
simply
collecting
data
just
for
the
point
of
collecting
data.
A
A
Is
that
the
the
graphic
that
or
the
the
benchmark
that
we
used
for
the
ratio
is
residential
population?
It's
2016.,
you
know,
maybe
2021
will
change
slightly
those
numbers
and
so
on,
but
but
there
clearly
are
other
benchmarks
and
one
that
don't
currently
exist
in
the
data.
A
really
good
one
is.
We
know
that
400
days
instance
350
incidents
out
of
8
000
arrests,
but
we
don't
actually
have
disaggregated
race
data
for
those
8
000
arrests.
A
Until
we
have
that
data,
then
we
can't
really
use
the
rest
as
a
benchmark
and
again,
if
you're
going
to
kind
of
think
about
if
you're
just
going
back
to
what
works
in
the
escalation,
is
it
better
to
think
about
all
calls
for
service,
or
rather
than
put
the
escalation
in
context
of
arrest
so
on?
We
don't.
A
To
that
until
we
actually
have
good
evidence
data,
so
we're
sort
of
what
we're
saying
is
two
certain
moves.
One
is
to
actually
understand
the
context.
Better
second
is
to
actually
have
more
robust
benchmarks
so
that
we
can
actually
really
better
have
insight
on
what
these
proportionalities
disparities
really
are,
and
those
sort
of
two
they
kind
of
go
on
hand,
but
you
do
want
to
separate
them
and
and
going
forward,
and
some
of.
A
To
do
than
than
others,
and
and
really
acquiring
these
samples
around
the
intersectional
data,
there's
no
gender,
no
age
data
is
a
really.
You
know
just
a
striking
example
where
that's
that's,
basically,
not
the
ips's
issue
in
a
way.
It's
actually
the
conventional
use
of
the
force
form
that
hopefully,
we'll
see
movement
even.
A
This
mutual
commitment
is
a
response
to
growing
demands
for
such
information,
as
we
have
contributed
to
better
understanding
of
the
experience
of
first
nations
people
in
uae
and
racialized
groups
when
interacting
with
police
stats.
Canada
has
just
recently
in
fact,
completed
its
first
public
engagement
to
inform
this
initiative.
A
It
involved
input
from
diverse
perspectives
on
data
collection,
including
community
organizations,
academics,
police
services
and
other
parties
of
interest
of
the
national
provincial
territorial
municipal
and
local
government
club
engagements
on
feedback
on
the
value
collecting
indigenous
and
racialized
identity
data
through
our
use
of
our
survey,
have
also
included
feedback
on
how
police
should
collect
data
more
broadly,
as
you
just
know.
In
short,
we
recognize
that
better
or
completely,
but.
A
That's
as
we
work
to
implement
the
recommendations
contained
in
this
report
by
dr
foster,
dr
james
ops
also
continues
with
other
equity-related
initiatives.
To
improve
officers
continue
to
receive
extensive
use
of
force
training,
as
well
as
de-escalation
and
communications
training.
We
have
ramped
up
our
anti-racism
cultural
arena
change,
making
it
mandatory
for
our
members
and
providing
trauma-informed
awareness
and
bystander
training
to
complement
and
trace.
A
With
your
content,
we
hold
steadfast
in
our
commitment
gdi
with
continued
application
and
implementation
of
our
three-year
action
plan
and
putting
key
resources
in
place
to
improve
analytics
key
to
all
of
this
is
community
engagement.
We
continue
to
support
resource
and
co-lead
the
community
equity
council
cec,
who
provide
invaluable
insight
and
guidance
on
these
initiatives
impacting
the
oil,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to.
B
The
board,
thank
you
for
taking
on
these
responsibilities,
because
they're
big
and
just
thank
you,
colleagues
and
partners
for
inviting
us-
and
I
really
just
publicly
want
to
acknowledge,
acknowledge
lesson-
one
because
they've
been
amazing
partners
to
work
with,
and
they
have
such
an
intersectional
lens,
as
you
could
see
that
it
really
helped
us
in
terms
of
being
able
to
work
together.
I'm
going
to
apologize,
it's
a
hot
engine.
I
can't
be
with
you
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
of
the
cec.
They
both
are
at
work.
B
So
you
start
with
one
story:
oh
and
just
heads
up,
it
might
change
the
speaking
notes
for
all
of
you.
Reading
too
late.
It's
not
gonna
work.
So
so,
there's
four
recommendations
coming
out
of
the
review
of
the
2020
use
of
force
report
and,
as
stated
earlier,
the
recommendations
were
developed
through
conversations
with
the
cec
committee
members,
the
ops
and
the
york
researchers,
and
so
they
were
very
generous
in
actually
handing
us
in
advance
and
saying:
let's
do
this
together.
B
So,
while
the
recommendations,
eops
has
actually
been
working
and
we're
already
moving
forward
just
to
talk
about
the
cec,
many
of
the
community
members
came
to
the
cec
and
I
work
with
the
police
because
of
the
deep
commitment
to
change
and
part
of
that
change.
For
many
of
us
is,
we
can
all
name
a
decent
force
incident
that
really
motivated
us
to
want
to
work
with
the
police.
For
me,
it's
greg
ritchie
when
he
died
and
for
many
for
many
of
the
cec.
It's
about
your
own
announcement.
B
We
all
know
how
our
communities
experience
use
of
force,
and
so
we
want
answers,
and
so,
when
we
came
to
the
cec
for
us,
this
is
an
incredible
opportunity
to
be
able
to
really
dig
deep
in
terms
of
what
happened
in
this
interaction
between
two
people
and
we're
excited
about
the
data.
But
we
want
more
so
at
the
first
recommendation
and
comprehensive
data
strategy.
It
actually
acknowledges
the
current
state
of
data
collection
ups
today
and
lays
out
a
really
clear
enchant
around
data
collection
and
data
use
and
data
analysis.
B
So
currently,
race-based
data
is
collected
by
the
ops
for
traffic,
stops
and
use,
of
course,
but
they're
analyzed
separately,
and
we
also
know
that
there's
gaps
in
the
data
collected
as
and
less
pointed
out,
which
really
impact
the
ability
of
the
ops
to
respond
to
our
communities
and
the
first
recommendation.
Really.
B
What
we
wanted
to
do
is
really
embed
an
ongoing
relationship
between
the
ops,
racialized
and
indigenous
and
big-based
communities
to
identify
what
needs
to
be
collected
to
ensure
that
we're
analyzing
that
data,
because
we
have
a
very
different
perspective
when
we
look
at
that
data
and
then
to
actually
bring
it
together,
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
solutions
and
recommendations,
and
it
really
further
supports
recommendation.
You
know
that
transparency
we
all
want,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
report
to
the
entire
community
and
not
just
about
what
is
happening.
B
I
think
so
in
my
other
role
as
the
facilitator
for
the
auto
laboratory
service
and
we
established
an
indigenous
safety
table
and
it's
implementing
the
recommendations
for
the
national
enquirer
industry
and
murder,
indigenous
women,
girls,
and
so
one
of
our
four
working
groups
is
a
police
working
group.
The
first
recommendation
that
came
out
of
that
working
group
was
collect
indigeneity
for
missing
persons.
B
We
are
16
times
more
likely
to
be
murdered
if
we
don't
collect
and
we
don't
flag,
but
that's
an
indigenous
woman,
we're
not
connecting
to
the
community
to
be
able
to
potentially
save
her
life.
So
data
is
not
just
about:
let's
analyze
it,
unless
we
search
it,
it
actually
saves
lives,
and
we
want
to
do
that
kind
of
service
response
shift
really
quickly,
and
so
that's
why
we're
asking
them
to
move
forward
on
some
of
these
right
away
and
ops
is
moving
forward
on
this.
B
The
other
three
recommendations
are
specifically
about
use
of
force,
so
the
use
of
course
report
is
a
it's
a
legislative
requirement
and
it
outlines
what
data
to
collect
and
as
new
york
as
the
researchers
really
said,
this
is
an
opportunity
to
improve
our
community.
Make
change
happen
through
sharing,
really
relevant
information
and
really
creating
an
intersectional
framework
around
it,
and
so
the
second
recommendation
is
extended
to
expand
our
data
to
be
able
to
truly
understand
what
happened
in
that
use.
Of
course,
event.
B
This
is
a
really
complex
story
and
it's
actually
going
to
require
ops
to
grapple
with
a
lot
of
issues,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
distress
in
our
communities
around
sharing
information
with
police
and
asking
any
more
information.
We
don't
want
to
give
it
to
you.
Indigenous
black
commercialized
communities
are
not
predisposed
to
share
information
with
the
police.
So
how
do
we
collect
data
in
communities
where
there's
been
over
policing?
B
Where
we
actually
know
use
of
force
has
happened
and
we
really
don't
trust
the
police
so
and
how
do
we
collect
data
in
a
trauma-informed
way
because,
as
we
as
the
police
have
come
at
different
times
that
one
break
died,
the
police
did
come
to
lebanon?
We
sat
together
and
basically
we
said
we
don't
trust
you.
We
don't
have
a
relationship
with
trust.
So
you
know
we
need
to
establish
that
before
we're
going
to
share
anything
with
you,
so
dave
is
not
going
to
be
easy
to
collect
the
other.
B
The
third
recommendation
is
intended
to
really
strengthen
connections
between
all
sets
of
data
in
the
ops
and
build
on
recommendation
one,
but
ultimately
the
cdc
actually
hopes.
We
connect
the
ops
data
with
other
city
data
because
we're
actually
tired
of
things
being
siloed.
We
don't
find
it
that
useful.
The
city
of
ottawa
recently
did
the
two
2021
pitch
in
that
pit
count.
Racialized
and
indigenous
people
were
the
highest.
B
B
B
We
know
that
a
person
calling
and
the
9-1-1
dispatcher
and
the
ups
member
all
have
their
own
biases,
and
so
how
does
that
actually
impact
the
use
of
force
incident?
So
how
do
we
minimize
those
biases
being
transferred
actually
through
the
whole
system
and
with
each
interaction,
because
what
we
know
is
if
racism
is
embedded
in
the
first
call,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
dispatcher
and
then
it
goes
to
the
the
police
member.
What's
the
impact,
does
it
elevate
their
their
relationship
with
that
person?
B
And
so
that's
that's
one
piece
that
we
think
is
really
important
to
have
a
conversation
around
and
the
second
one
is
from
what
international
talked
about,
which
is
the
ops
through
the
cdc,
is
established
and
use
the
force
working
group
and
it's
going
to
actually
review
the
very
specific
use,
of
course,
incidents
and
provide
recommendations
for
action
out
of
it.
And
so
we
wanted
transform
data.
We
really
want
to
recognize
that
it's
information,
but
it
gets
reduced
to
social
identity,
markers
and
situational
indicators,
and
that's
not
good
enough
for
our
communities.
B
Where
is
the
places
we
need
to
start
with,
and
so
that
some
of
these
answers,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
really
exciting,
because
it's
going
to
help
us
build
other
services
and
supports
that
we've
needed
and
we
really
recognize.
This
is
really
hard
work
and
it's
relational
work.
It's
collaborative
work.
B
So
I
wanted
to
close
with
them
actually
alison's
only
close
with
these
words
thomas
king,
so
thomas
king
he's
a
cherokee
canadian
author.
I
think
a
lot
of
you
know
him
and
he
says
if
we
change
the
stories
we
live
by.
Quite
possibly
we
change
our
lives
and
for
us
that's
what
data
means
to
us
is
we're
actually
trying
to
change
and
improve
people's
lives.
So
that's
I
want
to
thank
you
for
doing
all
that
work
for
us,
because
that
was
amazing.
B
So
to
share
that
that
is
our
presentation,
there's
a
lot
of
information
there
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
having
a
discussion
around
it.
What's
really
important
for
me
to
highlight
right
now
is
to
thank
joan
for
your
leadership
in
the
csc,
I
think
more
than
last
for
their
leadership.
In
the
data
analysis,
I
can
tell
you
this
joan
jones
is
right.
B
This
is
hard
work,
but
it's
important
work
and
it's
work
that
police
can't
do
alone
and
we're
very
open
as
a
policing
organization
to
look
at
how
we
partner
with
our
community,
how
we
partner
with
academics,
to
get
good
data,
but
getting
good
data,
isn't
enough
to
actually
action
that
data
and
make
changes
and
see
improvements
in
what
that
data
looks
like
down
the
road.
So
we're
really
looking
forward
to
having
discussions
answering
any
questions.
This
is
the
first
step
of
what.
A
A
A
Hey
in
january,
I
told
the
previous
board
how
he
had
asked
the
obs
for
his
use
of
force
rate
data
several
times,
and
then
he
obviously
politely
several
times
said
they
didn't
have
it
and
that
we
had
to
get
it
from
the
ontario
solicitor
general.
I
said
that
when
we
asked
the
solicitor
general
for
the
data,
they
told
us
to
ask
the
eops,
because
the
ops
happened.
A
I
said
the
opiates
responded
there.
The
question
did
superintendent
isabelle,
granger
and
mark
patterson,
who
told
us
the
opiate
didn't:
have
the
data
simply
have
an
information
wrong
or
but
they
both
lie
it.
I
said
this
is
pretty
good
to
get
another
example
of
the
ops
try
actively
trying
to
suppress
data,
it's
very
important
for
your
board
members
to
do
your
job
and
very
important
for
the
public
to
know,
or
it
might
just
show
the
lps-
isn't
very
good
managing
sensitive
data
either
way
it
wasn't
good.
A
Now
this
isn't
surprising
thanks.
Let's
remember
who
we're
dealing
with
rank
and
file.
Obs
officers
elected
our
world
police
association.
President
matt
scott
in
2011
and
let
him
run
uncontested
twice
since
then
this,
despite
the
fact
that
scoff
was
caught
on
tape,
calling
the
black
female
member
of
the
justice
of
their
event
coalition,
he
racist
successfully
so
vowed.
I
won't
repeat
it
here,
and
this
cause
still
faces
briefly:
trust
charges
for
the
ontario
french
police
after
being
caught
on
tape,
discussing
an
open.
Please
investigation,
how
about
you?
A
The
problem
with
the
lps
isn't
just
a
few
bad
apples.
It's
that
the
trees
brought
into
the
core,
and
these
are
the
same
people
for
whom
the
previous
board
approved
two
million
dollars
for
new
tasers
at
the
very
same
meeting
where
we
in
the
ops,
apparently
lying,
but
not
having
the
use
of
forced
data.
The
board
gave
new
chasers
to
the
very
people
who
had
just
confirmed.
A
They
used
force
more
on
black
and
middle
eastern
men,
same
people
with
changes
we
didn't
see
at
all
during
the
occupation
of
order
by
most
of
the
white
people
or
the
operation
to
finally
remove
them,
and
these
are
the
people
who
plan
to
hire
80
million
officers
to
add
to
their
rotten
tree
now,
just
how
rotten
is
the
obs
tree?
Well,
it's
impossible
to
know,
because
hiding
stuff
is
a
key
part
of
what
makes
the
obs
right.
A
A
This
backs
up
our
belief.
Theops
is
really
good
at
only
three
things:
protecting
the
powerful,
avoiding
accountability
and
increasing
their
budget.
We
saw
a
complaint
with
the
ontario
civilian
police
commission
against
the
former
board
for
approving
the
chasers.
We
call
on
this
board
to
do
three
things.
One:
stop
limiting
public
participation
in
board
meetings
by
allowing
virtual
public
delegations
to
complete
an
effective
use
of
force,
review
begun
by
the
former
board
and
conversation
with
graphics,
community
groups
and
three
hire
an
independent
firm
in
consultation
with.
A
Community
groups
to
do
a
formal
performance
review
of
the
board
that
the
board
was
supposed
to
do
last
year.
This
fall.
We
call
on
this
board
to
continue
the
process
of
abolishing
the
auto
police
by
massively
defining
them
and
continuing
the
community
conversations
about
what
systems
we
should
fund
create
to
truly
make
us
all
safer.
Thank
you.
B
A
B
The
province
hasn't
yet
announced
any
of
the
updates
to
their
form
and
how
how
they
would
recommend
the
police
services
collect
data.
One
thing
we've
been
really
clear
on
from
the
beginning
is
that,
for
us
is
a
base
standard?
That's
that's
a
minimum
mandatory
requirement.
We
are
going
to
build
sets
of
data
sets
of
systems
in
collaboration
with
our
community
and
with
experts
around
data
collection
that
fit
our
needs.
So
we
won't.
We
started
the
data
collection
around
use,
of
course,
based
on
provincial
provincial
minimum
requirements.
B
We've
now
now
drawn
on
that
and
from
that
we've
identified
areas
where
we
need
to
have
improvements,
we're
committed
to
creating
those
improvements,
working
with
experts
from
both
academics
and
communities,
to
look
at
what
that
requires
and
how
we
do
that.
So,
although
the
province
hasn't
yet
identified
what
it
is
that
for
us,
isn't
where
we'll
end,
we
need
to
get
the
right
data
to
help
us
direct
operations.
A
B
So
well
right
now
we
do
have
comparisons
and
what
the
comparison
is
is
the
the
data
is
consistent
across
across
the
problems
across
the
country.
Our
position
on
it
is
that's
not
good
enough,
so
we
need
to
improve
the
outcomes.
We
need
to
improve
our
service,
particularly
to
marginalize
racialized
and
indigenous
communities,
and
we
will
continue
to
work
against.
B
Are
ahead
of
the
curve
on
this
we're
working
with
two
of
the
foremost
experts
in
in
the
country
in
this
area,
and
they
can
better
comment
where
we
situate
ourselves.
But
what
I
will
say
is
that
we
will
take
the
direction
we'll
take
their
guidance
and
it
will
be
in
consultation
with
the
community
who
need
to
gather
this
data.
We
can't
com.
We
can't
compare
to
other
organizations
around
what
we're
doing
when
we
lead
the
way,
but
that's
not
going
to
stop
us
from
being
born.
A
The
category
part
of
the
standard
in
that
act,
but
it
only
partially
and
ideally
what
will
happen
in
the
next
iteration
of
the
form,
is
that
the
form
will
better
comply
with
the
data
standards
and
likely
it
will
take
a
number
of
number
of
stages.
We
have
seen
that
draft
in
probably
some
people
around
the
table
see
the
draft
as
circulating,
but
the
so
so
there
are
developments
to
come
back
to
the
age
and
gender
question,
certainly
from
the
perspective
of
racialized
communities.
A
A
They
actually
think
that,
for
example,
there's
about
a
high
concentration
say
among
young
black
men
and
right
now
we
just
don't
have
the
data
to
confirm
that,
and
but
it
actually
again
comes
back
to
some
of
those
points
is,
is:
does
the
escalation
not
take
that
into
account,
or
are
there
measures
that
can
be
better
forward?
Looking
when
you
have
a
better
understanding
of
who
the
subjects
are
on
those
intersectional
data
and
obviously
geography?
A
A
Only
use
of
force
is
a
continuum.
It's
not
a
always.
Nothing
and
the
the
types
of
use
of
force
again
are
not
randomly
distributed
based
on
race
and
likely
they're
not
randomly
disputed
when
you
have
intersectional
data
around
age
and
gender,
and
so
that
will
also
give
some
insight
into
what
kind
of
measures
can
actually
reduce,
not
just
use
of
force
but
use,
of
course,
if
the
most
serious
or
life-threatening
or
psychological
impactful
exercise,
let
me
just
add
to
the
intersectional
framework
in
terms
of
race,
gender
age.
A
A
Those
are
invisible
realities
that
are
exposed
simply
by
having
that
intersectional
framework
from
which
to
view
what's
going
on,
and
similarly,
we
can
see
with
middle
eastern
males
16
to
24
et
cetera,
and
so
those
things
are
revealed
they're
like
prisms,
that
provide
more
information
to
give
us
a
fuller
picture
of
what's
happening.
So
it's
very
important
to
have
those
kinds
of
what's
called
intersectional
lenses
or
frameworks
for
which
to
assess
situations
like
this
or
phenomena
or
interactions
like
this.
A
A
A
Same
breakdown-
and
it's
not
just
getting
the
breakdown,
it
allows
you
to
actually
create
initiatives
that
that
that
improve
policing
that
improve
the
process
that
actually
eliminate
or
reduce
any
kind
of
bias.
That's
that's
unknown
or
unconscious
out
there
that
might
exist.
So
it's
important
to
have
a
rich,
detailed,
robust
picture
of
what's
going
on,
and
we
don't
have
that
yet
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
use
of
force
down.
A
Now,
of
course,
it's
just
the
one
year
that
we've
been
collecting
great
since
lessons
pointing
out
in
terms
of
being
a
new
variable
added
to
an
old
system,
so
it
needs
to
be
refined.
It
needs
to
be
updated
so
to
speak
and
and
and
improved
in
the
same
way
that
our
race
does
in
terms
of
race
traffic.
Stop
that
and
you'll
know
what
I
want
to
tell.
I
don't
know
how
to
place
this,
maybe
less
game,
because
we
work
on
the
the
anti-racism
status
standards.
A
A
A
A
A
And
so
a
shift
of
five
five
individuals
can
actually
significantly
change
small
numbers,
whereas
obviously
five
and
a
half
okay.
So
again,
one
of
my
questions
is
this:
so
this
what
we've
done
is
basically
we've
taken
anecdotal
stories
and
we're
actually
putting
real
numbers.
I
think
that's
what's
so
beneficial
to
this
exercise
that
we
can
say
look.
This
is
what
the
data
is
actually
showing
and
demonstrating,
and
that
is
really
beneficial
to
the
community
so,
but
but.
A
A
That's
not
an
excuse,
that's
just
sort
of
to
to
to
make
an
observation,
and
it's
not
a
surprise
that
the
service
can't
insulate
itself
from
from
them
and
and
of
course,
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
the
911
are
a
really
interesting
example
where,
when
community
members
make
911
calls
and
themselves
have
calls
that
prefer,
I
have
racism
embedded
in
them,
then
they're
magnified
through
9-1-1
calls
and
in
orange
languages,
sort
of
please
become
prophecies
for
in
the
very
societal
racism.
So
so
that
is
for
sure.
An
issue
second,
is
implicit
bias.
A
Implicit
bias
is
often
across
saves,
foreign
members,
for
example,
regardless
of
what
the
race
is
of
that
particular
yeah
right,
you
know
and
that
that
is
part
of
the
part
of
the
complexity
about
it.
The
the
third,
the
third
one
is
really
around
operations
and
and
traditional
practices.
One
thing
we
do
know
that
police
again,
like
most
public
service
providers,
there
are
many
operations
that
have
perceived
it
that
have
been
in
industry
for
a
long,
long
time,
all
sorts
of
deployment
issues,
basically
how
the
police
conduct
business
and
those
those
practices.
A
We
do
presentations
to
police
services
and
foreign
members
kind
of
basically
ask
questions
like
please.
Services
act
overrides
the
human
rights
code.
These
kinds
of
you
know-
and
we
don't
hear
that
as
much,
but
that
is
a
relatively
recent
development,
but
it
does
get
at
that.
There
are
a
lot
of
operations
that
you
can
re-rethink,
that
policies,
operations
and
those
are
likely
to
be
significant
contributors
and,
to
a
certain
extent,
part
of
our
work
on
the
traffic
stops
data.
A
A
Stop
you
know
that
they
were
easy
to
redeploy
and
those
traffic
units
would
in
turn
compose
more
tickets
to
more
stocks,
even
though
the
community
was
calling
that's
a
break
and
enters
not
because
those
people
driving
through
stop
signs
and
but
but
if
you
want,
those
deployments
actually
would
dissolve
in
increased
ratio
disparities
in
terms
of
traffic
stuff,
so
those
so
those
are
sort
of
this.
I
would
say
the
three
things
I
was
highlighting
in
particular
that
I,
the
systemic
racism
lens,
really
would
highlight.
There's
probably
others.
A
Data
collection
can
can
can
be
a
a
tool
to
to
expose
all
of
it,
so
you
can
redesign
your
instrument
right,
so
data
collection
is
very,
very
important
for
whatever
complexity
of
systemic
discrimination.
You
talk
about
whether
it's
deployment
patterns
or
whether
it's
implicit
bias
or
whether
it's
organizational
culture
data
collection
is
important
for
revealing
that
and
then
you
can
do
something.
Then
you
can
find
solutions.
So
we
are,
you
know:
data
collection,
scientists.
I
guess
we
call
ourselves
a
human
rights
expert
and
we're
very
very
grateful
to
be
involved
with
ottawa
police.
A
A
If
I
could
just
ask
on
an
implicit
bias
now,
how
do
you
tackle
this
advice?
I
know
it's
a
big
question,
but
is
it
trained?
Is
the
number
one
means
to
to
tackle
implicit
bias?
Is
the
training
cultural
training,
cultural
awareness
meeting
the
community
like
how?
How
do
you
tackle
implicit
bias
because
we
all
have
our
biases
it's
a
fact
and
we
all
try
and
face
them
in
a
way.
But
how
do
you
take
a
culture
of
an
ottawa
police
service
or
any
police
service?
A
A
They
started
in
the
state
right,
they
started
studying
and
they
haven't
made
that
many
inroads
out
of
the
issue
is,
I
mean
they
started.
This
study
of
implicit
bias
by
looking
at
neuroscience
neuroscience
found
out
that
we
only
used
about
11
of
our
brain
right,
and
so
these
social
psychologists
really
said
well,
if
we're
only
using
11
of
our
brain.
What
does
that
mean
to
our
thinking
and
what
they
believe
that
hypothesized
was
that
there's
obviously
parts
of
the
brain
that
aren't,
we
are
not
able
to
access.
A
There
are
unacknowledged
or
unconscious
ideas
that
we
have
that
are
exposed
to
our
behavior,
but
we're
not
even
conscious
we're
not
even
aware
of
it
and
the
the
difficult
part
of
this
we're
all
happy
right
I
mean
you
can
go
online.
Harvard
has
got
an
online
test
for
you,
so
you
can
test
your
opposite
bias,
but
the
problem
is.
A
The
answer
requires
that
individuals
are
figures
about
it,
so
you
have
to
really
be
serious
and
dedicated
to
self-reflection
to
be
able
to
eliminate
devices.
Now,
how
do
you
put
that
into
training?
How
do
you
put
that
into
practice?
How
do
you
tell
somebody
that
you
need
to
be
vigilant
about
your
own
thoughts
that
you're
not
harming
somebody
else
either
you
know
physically
or
or
psychologically,
in
terms
of
your
attitude.
A
I
don't
think
that
there's
anything
I
can
refer
you
to
in
terms
of
training
that
would
resolve
that
problem.
Yet
I
hope
that
better
instruments,
better
tools
come
along,
but
right
now
the
only
good
tools
are
to
show
us
that
we
have
implicit,
listened,
how
we
can
sort
of
resolve.
As
far
as
I
know,
that's
for
my
maybe
limited
investigations.
That's
what
I
can
determine.
A
A
One
one
is
that
in
in
policing
anyhow,
it
can
place
it's
not
unique,
because
if
it's
more
uncertain
plus
advice
is
just
a
solvent,
it's
a
problem
in
education.
It's
a
problem
and-
and
you
know-
and
there
are
in
in
certain
certain
contexts-
there
are
ways
to
well-known
structures.
So
a
really
good
one
is
implied
implicit
bias
around
in
in
systemic
racism
in
education,
a
standard
victim
is,
teachers
have
to
have
high
expectations
of
all
students.
A
I
think
I
seem
to
be
a
bit
anxious,
but
a
couple
things
we
do
know
is
that
newer
recruits
they
may
bring
biases,
but
their
biases
are
different
and
may
be
on
the
issues
then
of
racism,
different
and
maybe
less
problematic,
and
so
one
one
sort
of
thing
is
ideally
over
time.
As
you
get
more
and
more
new
recruits,
it
actually
can
diminish.
A
A
And
I'll
give
my
non-committee
members
an
opportunity
for
a
question
as
well.
I
was
really
intrigued
by
by
some
of
the
terminology,
when
you
mentioned
perceived
as
being
black
or
perceived
as
being
middle
eastern
and
was
it
is
there
then
any
form
of
quality
control
to
validate
whether
that
perception
is
in
fact
reality.
A
And
just
a
30-second
answer:
basically,
what
we're
doing
with
data
collections
we're
not
measuring
rates,
we're
measuring
racism,
so
we're
measuring
people's
actions
on
their
base
on
their
definitions
or
understandings
of
what
somebody
else
is
right.
So
what
we
want
to
do
to
get
the
sense
of
what
the
bias
or
discrimination
is,
is
analyze
the
officer's
perception
of
race
right
rather
than
what
people
think
of
themselves?
A
You've
probably
heard
of
incidents
where
sick
temples
have
been
burned
down
because
of
islamophobia
right,
that's
still
islamophobia,
but
that
doesn't
matter
what
the
sick
individual
thinks
or
how
they
they
define
themselves
when
that
person
who's
perpetrating.
That
act
thinks
that
they're
muslim,
so
it
really
does
self-identification,
doesn't
matter
what
you're
talking
about
racism
and
profiling?
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
the
first
question
is:
will
this
presentation
be
made
public
quickly
and
will
the
numbers
that
you've,
given
us
with
respect
to
over
representation,
use
of
course,
instruments
among
some
racialized
groups?
Is
that
going
to
be
written
down
as
a
publicly
available
number
somewhere
very
soon,
so
there's
a
board
report
that
will
be
coming.
A
I'll
ask
my
my
one
question
right
now
practical
question.
There
is
interesting
quote
in
the
presentation:
an
interesting
statement
in
the
presentation
that,
while
white
male
subjects
are
more
likely
to
be
actively
resistant
or
assaulted,
they
are
less
likely
to
experience
serious
use.
Of
course,
outcomes.
You've
got
the
data
to
make
that
statement.
A
I
would
think
that
the
main
reason
that
this
is
not
more
sophisticated
analysis
going
on
with
the
data
that
we
have
it's
because
of
the
requirements
from
the
province
too.
You
know
they,
they
have
limited
the
the
the
requirement
in
terms
of
setting
in
the
use
of
force
report,
that's
on
top,
so
some
analysis
like
that
would
be
on
top
of
what's
absolutely
required,
but
certainly
it's
available
and
possible
to
do
analysis
like
that.
A
B
I
can
just
add
to
that
and
that
that
that
question
is
exactly
why
we're
working
with
cc
community
members
and
your
research
team
to
actually
define
what
are
the
data
points
that
we
need
to
draw
on?
How
do
we
actually
pull
the
information
out
of
that
use
that
to
direct
operations?
So
we
do
have
the
data
we
can
collect
it,
we're
refining
through
our
community
partners.
What
is
the
best
data
to
collect
to
help
us
decrease
statistical,
emotion,.
A
A
B
I'll
start
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
john
part
of
cec.
There
is
actually
a
hiring
man
training
committee,
and
it
is
of
one
of
our
subjects
that
specifically
work
on
the
goals
that
you're
talking
about
superintendent
zacharias
has
been
a
key
leader
in
working
with
the
cec
to
help
jeff
and
his
team
actually
develop
and
integrate
those
training
practices.
So
something
very
front
of
mind
to
us
absolutely.
This
data
is
only
going
to
help
support
the
the
augmentation
or
changes
of
training.
B
A
A
A
A
The
previous
board
passed
a
motion
in
late
2020
related
to
use
of
force
because
they
wanted
to
conduct
a
policy
review
in
order
to
strengthen
the
board's
oversight
and
governance
of
the
use
of
force
by
the
service.
Some
preliminary
work
took
place.
However,
the
bulk
of
the
review
was
not
completed
in
light
of
the
services
report
on
the
use
of
forest
race
data.
A
We
thought
it
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
invite
strategic
quote
back
to
speak
to
this
committee
and
our
board
and
see
if
we
want
to
move
ahead
with
the
policy
review
over
the
coming
months.
They
were
finally
set
aside
in
this
year's
budget
to
undertake
this
work.
The
initial
proposal
from
strategy
court
was
circulated
to
the
committee
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
I
will
now
turn
things
over
to
matt
and
hopefully
a
second
match
for
a
brief
presentation,
and
then
we
can
go
to
questions
and
comment
comments.
A
A
So
I'm
representing
the
team
of
four
that
previously
works
out
with
the
previous
board,
so
we
have
a
john
mathison
who's,
the
partner
for
strategy
court.
He
leads
our
municipal,
the
practice
and
the
governance
he's
produced
by
air
staffer
and,
as
a
writing
experience
to
do
strategic
planning,
budgeting
and
governance
pieces,
we
have
david
slack
who's
specialized
in
the
distal
sector,
who's,
the
previous
administrator
of
appeal
and
the
nickname
of
columbo.
For
having
that
last
question.
A
I'm
a
manchester
united
soul
episode
consultant
with
deloitte
for
four
years,
and
then
I
also
worked
for
the
minister
of
immigration
and
obviously
the
mp7
speed
dial
someone's
supposed
to
get
deported.
So,
regardless
of
your
conservative
liberal
mvp,
they
called
me
up
and
said:
hey
this
guy's
getting
deported
or
we
need
a
visa
or
we
need
any
part
of
the
immigration
process
so
work
very
closely
with
public
safety
and
and
immigration
on
that
standpoint.
So
just
to
give
a
brief
introduction
of
how
we
got
here.
A
As
we
mentioned,
there's
a
previous
potion
that
was
passed
by
the
board.
I
was
able
to
look
at
use
of
forest.
We
were
hired
back
in
june
of
2021
where
to
do
these
force,
piece
planning
and
the
budgets
during
that
time,
the
budget
took
up
the
majority
of
the
work
that
we
were
able
to
accomplish
and
work
very
closely
with
with
the
service
and
the
chief
bell
to
be
able
to
reach
the
outcome
that
we
achieved
by
the
end
of
the
year
in
january
2022.
B
A
Just
want
to
clarify,
because
actually
we
got
this
question
quite
a
bit
from
the
previous
board
was
around
the
support
standards,
and
so
the
first
question
we
look
at
is
awesome.
You're,
going
to
tell
us
where
the
police
can't
use
data,
and
that's
that's
not
the
case
at
all.
That's
set
by
the
solicitor
general
of
ontario
there's
the
act,
that's
very
prescriptive.
A
As
far
as
how
far
the
board
can
go,
but
we're
here
to
to
write,
support
and
and
and
advice
on
what
the
board
can
do
as
far
as
use
of
force
and
provide
a
metal
percentage.
So
learn
a
lot
about
the
data
collection
and
a
lot
of
materials
that
are
being
implemented
by
the
service,
we're
here
to
work
with
the
board
and
the
service
to
be
able
to
set
up
that
policy
of
how
best
to
adjudicate
that
and,
if
you're
receiving
the
data.
A
A
If
there's
any
other
public
consultation
data
everything,
there
are
other
reports
that
the
word
selected
will
also
happily
work
there
and
then
we'll
look
to
provide
reports
for
the
board
to
be
able
to
use
and
that
dustin
and
and
assess
that
report,
along
with
the
service
and
and
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
terrigen.
If
there's
any
other
comments
or
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
say
well,.
A
You
know
to
be
hostile
to
anyone,
it's
ultimately
we
all
win.
Well,
we
all
work
together
and
you
know,
what's
my
community
as
well,
and
you
know,
certainly,
we
want
the
best
outcome
to
build
a
bright
transparency
and
that's
to
be
able
to
advisor
board
so
open
your
questions
and
hopefully,
if
we're
looking
to
proceed
again,
we're
ready
and
ready
to
go
ever
whenever
we
get
inside
great.
Thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you,
matt
for
coming
in
by
phone
I'll
pass
it
to
my
fellow
committee
members.
A
A
And
I'm
trying
to
find
so
what
would
change
from
from
from
your
group
from
what
we
hear
here,
because,
as
you
know,
the
board
obviously
can
directly
chief
and
his
staff
to
go
modify
it
be
more.
He
has
more
of
this
more
so
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
mind
see
new
groups
at
fujiko.
What
would
they
do
for
the
board
would
be
different
from
what
we
heard
earlier
from
from
our
staff.
A
Was
very
thorough
and
oh
it's
information
to
us,
so
we
would
want
to
you
know,
be
able
to
sit
down
with
with
the
service
to
discuss
that
a
bit
more
in
depth.
But
ultimately,
though,
we
don't
want
to
do
a
gap
analysis
as
far
as
what's
happening
nationally,
just
to
make
sure
it's
provide
that.
So
that's
certainly
authority
to
the
board
of
what
to
be
proposed
is.
B
A
A
A
I
know
police
officer
allowed
to
use
your
support,
but
can
you
review
tell
us
what
level
you
suppose
can
apply
like
you
have
one
to
catch
if
you
go
to
10
right
away,
so
this
discussion
been
for
quite
some
time,
but
I
want
to
see
before,
let's
agree
to
to
continue
with
strategic
program.
We
saw
what
we
saw
earlier
and
I'm
not
sure
I'm
going
to
see
more
and
I
know
you're
going
to
say
well.
A
B
Enough
of
the
good,
cleanest,
best
collective
data,
that's
why
we
bring
the
foremost
experts
in
data
collection
around
this
area
in
to
help
support
us.
That's
why
we
bring
the
community
in
to
help
guide
and
direct
exactly
what
areas
of
data
should
we
should
be
collecting,
but
then
to
move
that
beyond
you
talk
about
having
us
understand
on
the
one
to
ten,
you
use
the
ten
force
community
things
you
should
have
used
a
three
level
of
force.
B
So
all
of
those
all
of
those
issues
that
you're
talking
about
are
are
important
and
are
incorporated
into
what
we're
looking
to
develop.
We
would
propose
and
we'll
work
with
with
with
yourselves
community
equity
council,
that
we
should
be
reporting
to
force
that
on
a
quarterly
basis
that,
as
we
go
through
this,
it
should
be
regular
reporting,
as
as
we
go
through
the
year
as
we
improve
and
in
increasing
our
abilities
and
complexity,
to
collect
analyze
and
report.
On
that.
A
A
A
A
So
we
connected
initial
scan,
but
we
would
also
look
at
any
relevant
larger
cities
so,
for
example,
calgary
edmonton,
just
basically
just
to
be
able
to
provide
for
understanding
from
examples
of
where
ottawa
stacks
up
against
against
the
others
and
again,
certainly
to
the
extent
we
will
work
with
the
board
to
be
able
to
determine
the
number
of
other
boards
that
we
need
to
look
at.
But
we
want
to
be
thorough
with
it.
A
A
A
So
my
understanding
from
the
initial
scan
is,
as
not
mentioned,
they're
quite
similar
to
other
jurisdictions
in
the
province
and
again
it's
just
a
function
of
that
in
the
effort
to
have
a
make
sure
that
this
policy
there
quite
similar
to
what's
already
in
place
and
so
we'd
be
looking
to,
like,
I
said,
do
that
gap
analysis
and
make
sure
that
we're
enhancing
to
be
able
to
accommodate
what's
on
the
list?
So
if
I
understand
correctly
it's
more
of
an
augmentation
of
the
policies,
as
opposed
to
just
a
straight
comparison,
correct.
A
Have
you
ever
done
this
kind
of
thing
before
on
use
of
force
specifically,
have
you
ever
created?
Have
you
ever
come
up
with
new
strategies
for
use
of
force
policies
so
not
directly
again?
Strategic
work
has
a
long-standing
history
of
government's
work
and
working
with
boards.
We
haven't
done
useful.
A
Okay,
our
third
item
new
board
policy
disconnecting
from
work.
We
have
the
executive
director's
report.
The
executive
director
prepared
a
report
and
draft
policy
that
was
circulated
in
advance
to
the
committee.
The
policy
is
already
based
on
the
policy
prepared
by
the
toronto
police
services
board.
However,
it
has
been
amended
in
consultation
with
staff
at
the
ops
to
ensure
alignment
with
the
corresponding
service
policy.
A
There
were
some
changes
made
to
the
occupational
health
and
safety
act,
which
required
all
employers
with,
I
believe,
25
or
more
employees
to
have
a
policy
in
place
regarding
disconnecting
from
work,
and
there
was
a
couple
guidance
points
that
were
released
with
that
policy
requirement.
Most
police
boards
were
only
made
aware
of
this
in
early
may,
so
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of
lead
time
or
notice
about
the
policy
requirement.
However,
the
toronto
police
services
board
did
consult
with
legal
and
hr
professionals
and
put
together
a
pretty
comprehensive
policy.
B
A
So,
mr
chair,
this
is
obviously
something
something
new
and
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
be
able
to,
rather
than
to
run
throughout
the
week.
I
don't
believe
anyone
has
that
policy
and
tricks
as
we
speak,
so
it's
important
to
have
as
a
both
foreign
policy
and
work
with
the
services
once
we
have
a
policy,
so
the
service
will
have
to
implement
this
policy
on
behalf
of
the
board
yeah.
So
can
I
even.
B
Ask
questions
so,
for
my
purposes,
the
policy
you're
laying
out
does
achieves
two
things
correctly.
It
is
a
policy
for
board
as
an
employer
of
its
abilities
that
that
is
being
developed,
as
well
as
a
policy
that
directs
myself
to
develop
policy
and
operational
policy
internal.
To
achieve
this
correct,
correct,
okay,
good
just
so
I
understand
because
I
think
there's
two
distinct
pieces
of
video
that
you
as
a
as
an
employer
of
employees
and
you
as
an
employer
of
myself
to
direct
me
to
have
an
operational
policy.
A
Any
other
question,
but
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
christa,
because
it
came
to
us
really
in
a
short
notice
and
scrambling
what
we're
going
to
do
and
said.
Well,
let
me
check
with
the
big
12
and
we
find
out
none
of
them,
so
we
modify
it
to
different
out
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time.
So
we
have
to
have
that
direction
as
to
by
may
30th.
So
by
june
june
1st
it
has
to
be
released
to
the
members.
B
A
Deadlines,
great,
that's
good
to
hear.
Thank
you.
So
the
motion
is
that
the
policy
and
governance
committee
recommend
that
the
ottawa
services
board
approve
the
new
proposed
board
policy
entitled
disconnecting
firmware.
Is
the
item
carrier
yes
and
that's
it
for
a
formal
agenda?
Is
there
any
other
business.
A
B
So
we'll
have
other
representatives
from
the
community
equity
council.
We
we
hope
to
have
both
co-chairs
there.
Sahana,
lola
and
jaleel
marge
will
be
present
with
us
as
well
as
lauren
and
les,
who
will
also
be
in
in
attendance
to
answer
questions
that
I
I
just
think
they
bring
absolute
value
to
the
conversation.
A
A
But
maybe
we
need
to
work
with
the
executive
director
see
which
one
of
the
important
to
bring
to
there
to
the
board?
Obviously
most
of
the
stuff
we
learned
through
the
question
very
potentially
always
I'm
always
worried
about
the
percentage
because
percentage
on
a
small
scale.
You
know
one
time,
people
in
west
coast
when
they
were
out
of
their
mind.
The
crime
was
200
percent
up
is
before
we
had
one
that
would
have
two.
A
B
B
B
Take
away
from
this
is
identifying
an
issue
within
policing
within
our
society
that
we
need
to
address,
and
that's
where
our
commitment
is
so,
regardless
of
the
body
of
the
numbers
that
the
number
of
pieces
we're
pulling
out,
we've
actually
concluded.
It
is
very
consistent
with
information
that
we've
received
before
and
that's
why.
We've
put
the
pieces
in
place
that
try
and
address
it
at
a
larger
level
and
specifically
around
use,
of
course,
and
I'm
sorry.
A
No
I'm
good
at
something,
so
the
other
thing
that
john
mentioned
and
that's
important
to
us,
though
ottawa
is
very
attractive
to
indigenous
communities
for
capital.
We
have
quite
a
bit
of
visit
from
india
and
and
she
made
the
point
as
a
city
council,
I
felt
that
yeah
she's
right.
We
don't
have
enough
social
housing.
These
people
come
to
this
city,
obviously
with
some
addiction.
That's
what
other
things
only
engagement
we
don't
have
with
the
police
because
we
have
no
place
for
them
to
stay
so
benedict.
A
A
This
is
community
health
and
social
worker
at
police,
but
we
all
do
it
together,
but
I
mean
we're
the
ones
who
are
dealing
with
it
and
wouldn't
want
to
report
those
numbers,
but
those
don't
work
they
are,
but
they
are
because
of
the
lack
of
housing.
We
have
in
this
city
to
be
able
to
deal
with
social
media.
B
B
But
I
heard
I
think
you
heard
joan
specifically
reference
the
progressiveness
of
the
ottawa
community,
particularly
around
human
safety
well-being.
She
said,
to
paraphrase
her:
the
police
have
this
responsibility
in
terms
of
how
they
engage
with
indigenous
people
within
our
community.
Indigenous
service
providers
have
this
responsibility
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
there's
24
7
access,
we
all
have
a
role
to
play.
That's
where
I
actually
think
we're
we're
fortunate.
That's
probably
why
we're
farther
ahead
in
many
areas
is
that
we
recognize
that
there
needs
to
be
collaboration.
B
B
B
B
That
same
goal,
so
there's
several
of
them
and
if
you
look
at
the
community
safety
and
well-being
planned,
there's
six
different
pillars:
okay,
they're,
currently
using
what
this
police
board
directed
in
terms
of
developing
the
guiding
council
as
the
model
on
how
to
look
at
community
engagement,
community
collaboration
in
every
different
stream.
We
will
be
present
in
the
streams
where
we're
responsible.
I
think
that's
every
one
of
them
and
we'll
be
collaboratively
working
in
that
we've
already
started
around
mental
health,
we're
continuing
to
work
around
homelessness
from
sustainability,
diversity
and
inclusion.
A
B
A
A
B
Which
we're
looking
forward
to
provide
information
on
so
the
other?
The
other
thing
to
build
on
on
the
question
that's
important
is
we
did
a
report
collect
data?
We
did
analysis,
we
did
a
report
collected
data,
we
did
an
analysis.
There
was
three
or
four
years
in
between
this
is
a
maturation
of
that.
We
need
to
collect
this
data
on
an
online
basis.
There
needs
to
be
continual
analysis
and
operational
refinements
moving
in.
So
this
is
the
next
iteration.
So.