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A
I'd
like
to
begin
our
meeting
with
a
land
acknowledgment
I'd
like
to
recognize
that
Ottawa
is
located
on
unseated
territory
of
the
Algonquin
anishinabi
host
nation.
The
peoples
of
the
Algonquin
and
ashnabi
Nation
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continued
to
nurture
this
land.
The
Ottawa
Police
Services,
Board,
honors,
the
peoples
and
the
land
of
the
Algonquin
anishinabi
Nation.
Today,
Ottawa
is
home
to
approximately
forty
thousand
First
Nations
Inuit
and
metis
people.
A
We
are
currently
broadcasting
on
zoom
and
live
streaming
on
YouTube.
Given
this
meeting
is
being
held
electronically,
I
want
to
caution
that
there
is
a
possibility
of
technical,
technical
difficulties
and
I
apologize.
We
did
have
a
few
technical
difficulties
and
that's
why
we're
starting
a
little
bit
later.
Should
we
receive
any
other
disruptions?
I
would
ask
that
everyone
remain
patient
as
we
work
to
fix
the
issue
and
resume
the
meeting
as
soon
as
possible.
A
B
A
Thank
you,
member
Curry,
I'm,
happy
to
chair
this
committee.
I
would
like
to
note
that
we
are
missing
a
third
member
of
this
committee
and
my
term
will
expire
when
a
new
citizen
appointee
is
selected
by
Council,
so
there
will
be
an
opportunity
in
the
future
for
another
member
of
this
board
to
chair
this
committee.
Should
they
be
interested.
A
I
will
now
proceed
with
the
confirmation
of
the
agenda
that
the
finance
and
audit
committee
confirmed
the
agenda
of
the
15th
of
February
2023
meeting.
Is
the
agenda
confirmed,
confirmed?
Thank
you,
member
Curry,
confirmation
of
minutes
number
18
of
November
10
2022
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
confirmed
minutes.
Number
18
of
the
10th
of
November
2022
meeting
are
the
minutes
confirmed,
confirmed.
A
A
C
C
Given
most
of
you
have
seen
our
presentation
on
February
1st,
when
we
submitted
the
the
draft
budget
to
the
board
and
later
at
City
Hall,
we
will
present
a
shorter
version
today
to
ensure
there's
enough
time
for
questions
the
Ops.
We
remain
committed
in
supporting
the
board,
as
it
fulfills
its
important
role
of
approving
the
2023
budget.
As
such,
the
budget
will
ensure
the
continued
ability
of
Ops
to
provide
adequate
and
effective
policing
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
while
also
demonstrating
an
efficient
use
of
police
resources
and
taxpayer
dollars
as
well.
C
The
submitted
draft
budget
was
built
in
a
way
that
complies
with
the
board's
23
budget,
related
directions,
motions
and
resolutions.
The
23
budget
process
has
involved
and
will
continue
to
involve
a
substantial
level
of
Engagement
with
community
members
and
has
also
included
board
delegations,
surveys,
focus
groups
and
other
forms
of
community
feedback.
A
process
has
also
involved
extensive
and
internal
reviews
and
efficiency
efforts
that
has
touched
every
command
directorate
and
section
of
the
organization.
C
A
wide
variety
of
Ops
employees
have
made
direct
contributions
to
the
budget
submission
the
drop
budget
will
contribute,
contribute
to
the
needed
Investments
for
Ops
to
continue
the
implementation
of
its
multi-year
plan
for
cultural
change
and
improved
Service
delivery,
changes
and
improvements
that
were
requested
by
board
members,
community
members
and
Ops
members.
The
end-state
vision
of
the
budget
is
to
build
a
Police
Service,
where
every
Community
member
and
every
Service
employee
feels
respected,
supported,
protected
and
accepted
no
matter
their
background
status
or
circumstances.
C
This
budget
will
position
the
service
to
build
on
this
vision
and
meet
the
needs
of
the
community
and
members
in
the
future.
Again,
I
want
to
thank
the
Ops
Team
for
their
leadership
and,
in
particular,
deputy
chief
Steve
Bell.
He
assumed
the
duties
of
the
CAO
in
the
new
year
and
has
led
a
team
that
has
quickly
and
effectively
completed
the
necessary
work
to
get
us
here
today.
So
thanks
Steve,
for
taking
on
that
role
and
getting
that
work
done
and
you've
got
a
great
team
behind
you
as
well.
I.
D
C
This
draft
budget
was
constructed
in
consideration
of
the
boards
for
strategic
priorities
that
are
on
the
screen.
Now
these
priorities
were
established
in
2019
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
board
in
the
coming
weeks
to
develop
or
refresh
the
present
strategic
plan
and
reviewing
these
priorities
next
slide.
Please.
C
Well,
I
won't
review
all
the
critical
data
points
that
were
brought
forward
during
our
February
1st
presentation.
I
do
want
to
restate
a
few
numbers
just
for
the
purpose
of
today's
session
from
a
staffing
perspective,
Ops
ranked
eighth
out
of
the
12
larger
Police
Services,
when
considering
police
to
population
rates
in
2021
with
that
number,
adding
to
the
the
time
demands
of
our
members.
C
That
is
really
unique
to
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
is
the
high
number
of
protests
and
major
events
that
other
police
agencies
simply
don't
have
to
manage
within
their
communities.
Given
you
know
we're
the
capital
of
Canada
and
as
well
as
mentioned
a
few
weeks
ago,
we
do
have
the
largest
Geographic
land
mass
amongst
the
Municipal
Police
agencies
for
our
members
to
patrol
and
respond
to
calls.
Also
on
this
page
is
our
CSI
from
2021
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
the
fifth
lowest
crime
severity
indexed
amongst
the
Canada's,
big
12..
C
C
C
and
this
year.
If,
if
the
present
budget
is
passed,
it'll
be
down
to
8.9
percent.
Another
challenge
of
note
is
inflation.
Historically,
we
budget
for
about
a
one
million
dollar
or
two
percent
inflationary
pressure
every
budget.
However,
last
year
in
2022
it
was
almost
triple
a
2.8
million
dollar
pressure
to
our
budget,
which
we
expect
to
continue
in
2023
and
makes
up
a
significant
portion
of
the
proposed
funding
increase.
C
C
It's
a
concerning
start
to
the
year
for
sure,
but
obviously
this
is
going
to
contribute
to
to
these
numbers
as
well
and
again,
another
number
here,
as
I
just
mentioned,
our
CSI
is
expected
to
rise
to
about
55.5
property
crime.
We
all
know
that
the
theft
of
Motor
Vehicles
is
an
epidemic
in
the
province
of
Ontario,
we're
not
immune
to
that
here
in
Ottawa.
We
are
taking
steps
to
try
to
curb
that
that
trend
from
going
up,
but
it
is
certainly
something
that
we're
very
concerned
about
I
have
mentioned.
C
You
know
in
previous
meetings.
My
focus
is
on
the
front
line,
so
we
can
respond
to
these
calls
for
service
in
a
timely
manner
and
importantly,
find
some
proactive
time
to
Target.
Prolific
offenders
are
areas
that
create
the
most
violence.
The
most
calls
for
service,
where
there's
been
a
significant
increase
in
in
crime
next
slide,
please.
C
D
C
C
We
do
have
other
initiatives
that
align
with
a
lot
of
community
feedback
that
includes
refining
our
police,
our
neighborhood
policing
strategy,
new
approaches
to
mental
health
calls
and
an
increased
investment
in
in
hate
crime.
So
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
deputy
chief
Bell
Steve.
E
E
83
of
all
of
our
budget
is
allocated
to
compensation
that
includes
cost
of
members
moving
through
their
salary
steps,
as
well
as
Provisions
for
negotiated
pay,
increases
and
officer
growth.
Eight
percent
of
this
budget
is
allocated
towards
materials,
supplies
and
services
that
include
things
like
fuel
for
our
Fleet,
uniform
and
safety
supplies
for
members,
maintenance
for
facilities
and
I.T
infrastructure,
as
well
as
required,
training
and
development
and
Professional
Services.
E
We've
allocated
12.3
million
dollars
for
Investments
needed
to
maintain
services
and
to
ensure
continued
delivery
of
adequate
and
effective
Police
Service.
3.4
million
dollars
is
allocated
to
the
25-member
growth
supporting
priorities
in
strategic
direction
for
Ops
and
included
in
that
will
be
20
growth
officers
allocated
to
the
front
line
as
well
as
five
gross
civilian
positions
to
support
operations.
E
Six
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
being
allocated
towards
budget
priorities
outlined
by
the
chief
400
000
of
that
going
to
digital
information
and
evidence.
Management
systems
that
will
support
support
the
infrastructure
to
look
at
a
body-worn
camera
pilot
and
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
will
be
allocated
to
begin
to
stand
up
a
cyber
crime
unit.
Ops
has
continued
to
committed
to
seeking
ways
to
reduce
operating
costs
while
achieving
our
core
objectives.
In
the
2023
budget,
we've
included
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
efficiencies.
E
E
E
The
first
is
a
renewal
of
assets
which
includes
Fleet
facilities,
life
cycle
information,
technology
infrastructures
and
the
life
cycle
of
other
specialized
assets,
and
the
secondary
is
around
strategic
initiatives
that
includes
areas
like
the
South
facility
that
makes
up
the
majority
of
this
category
and
growth
over
the
year,
so
I'm
going
to
now
turn
it
over.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
I'm
going
to
now
turn
it
over
to
executive
director
John
steinbecks
to
go
through
the
feedback
mechanisms.
F
F
Our
nrts
are
out
there.
Our
rvi
unit
is
out
there
talking
to
people
regularly,
there's
a
number
of
one-on-one
conversations.
Group
dialogues,
surveys
questionnaires
and
discussions
generally
that
we
use
to
inform
these
these
discussions
throughout
the
year
one
area,
like
most
organizations,
we
put
an
extra
emphasis
on
reaching
out
directly
to
some
of
the
groups
that
that
are
not
traditionally
represented
in
traditional
survey
survey
methods.
So
then
we
resort
to
a
lot
of
one-on-one
conversations
or
or
dialogues
with
specific
groups
in
the
the
last
bullet.
F
I
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
this
year
that
I
know
that
a
lot
of
the
the
counselors
have
just
obviously
just
finished
the
election
campaign,
and
that
is
a
great
way
to
get
feedback
we're
going
to
door-to-door.
So
we
I
know
that,
where
he's
hearing
a
lot
of
really
good
information
from
from
City
counselors
as
he
visits
them,
as
I
said,
we
have
a
lot
of
one-on-one
Outreach
initiatives
and
with
indigenous
racialized
marginalized
Community
stakeholders
and
Community
groups.
That's
ongoing.
F
F
Again,
I
I
just
want
to
stress
that,
along
with
some
of
the
more
traditional
methods
that
we've
used
over
the
years,
we
have
the
heavy
focus
on
reaching
groups
that
are
not
traditionally
represented
in
traditional
surveys
and
that
work
is
is
underway
and
that
the
the
list
on
the
screen
is
are
just
some.
Some
of
the
groups
that
we
reached
out
to
that
work
is
still
ongoing
and
and
we're
hoping
to
have
reached
them
all
by
by
next
week.
F
These
were
the
online
questions.
I'll
just
pause
for
a
second
I,
don't
know
if
board
members
have
had
a
chance
to
see
them,
but
it
just
gives
you
a
flavor
that
this
year
we
took
an
approach
to
leave
things
very
open-ended
for
people
to
be
able
to
comment.
It's
very
reflective
of
what
the
city
of
Ottawa
is
doing.
We
we,
with
their
own
questionnaire
I'll,
just
give
you
a
second
to
have
a
quick
look.
F
So,
and
and
So
currently,
the
the
the
as
you
can
see,
we
have
more
than
400
we're
closing
in
I.
Think
on
500
responses,
that's
I
would
say
that's
very
high.
If
you
consider
how
many
people
would
respond,
let's
say
between
2010
and
2020
oftentimes.
We
get
less
than
two
dozen
comments,
but
it's
it's
not
as
high
as
we
would
have
seen
in
the
2021
budget
process,
but
there's
still
several
days,
I
believe
it's
still
open
until
February
20th
and
we're
advertising
it
every
day
on
a
number
of
different
platforms.
F
I
think
this
morning,
I
think
I
saw
it
on
Facebook
and
Twitter,
and
we're
also
reaching
out
directly
to
community
groups
to
ensure
that
their
people
are
aware
that
this
is
a
way
to
to
provide
feedback
next
slide,
please
so
the
the
sum
total
of
this
is
the
budget
feedback
is
we're
we're
going
to
be
writing
a
report.
I
think
on
Thursday
we're
starting
to
finish
it
off
and
it
will
be
part
of
the
February
board
agenda.
F
So
so
the
board
will
see
this
report
on
the
24th,
I
believe
or
the
23rd
it'll
be
next
Wednesday.
Anyway.
Sorry,
I
don't
have
the
exact
date,
but
on
next
Wednesday
the
document
will
be
posted.
It
will
have
a
summary
of
the
feedback
questionnaire.
It
will
have
a
summary
of
the
the
discussions
we've
had
with
counselors
and
and
mayor
and
the
mayor
consultations.
We're
also
monitoring.
We
have
staff
monitoring
and
attending
the
city.
F
Consultations
throughout
the
I
know
that
some
of
the
counselors
who
are
on
the
board
have
been
having
their
own
consultation.
So
we
are
attending
those
as
well
to
hear
some
feedback
and
there
is
some
feedback
about
police
there
last
year,
I
believe
it
was
May
and
June.
Last
year
we
participated
in
advanced
polling
and
that's
a
regular
survey.
That's
done
across
the
country
that
measures
views
towards
police
services
will
be
again
participated.
F
That
information
will
be
part,
including
the
entire
survey,
will
be
a
part
of
the
Wednesday
of
the
budget
feedback
report.
We're
also
going
to
just
to
remind
the
board.
We've
got
some
surveys
and
some
other
studies
from
previous
years.
It's
a
little
bit
dated,
but
we
still
think
it's
consistent.
It's
around
the
year
2020
around
our
members
survey
and
some
other
studies
that
we
think
the
board
would
would
find
interesting
as
it
as
it
considers
the
budget
for
the
final
deliberation.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
chef
and
thank
you
to
your
staff
as
well
your
team
for
very
good
presentation,
very
informative.
Before
we
go
before
we
go
to
questions
from
the
committee
we
will
hear
from
the
registered
delegations.
Each
delegate
will
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
speak
members
of
this
committee
and
board
members.
Please
let
me
know
if
you
have
questions
or
comments
for
the
delegations
before
us
today.
By
raising
your
hand
as
a
reminder,
all
delegates
are
required
to
abide
by
our
procedural
guidelines.
A
A
G
Thank
you.
Well
here
we
are
again
on
a
day
where
you
will
all
listen
to
many
public
delegations
asking
you
to
freeze
the
police
budget.
Then
we
expect
you
will
do
what
you
decided
to
do
a
long
time
ago
approve
yet
another
multi-million
dollar.
Please
budget
increase
at
your
February
27th
meeting
and
as
always,
you
will
justify
your
decision
based
on
feedback.
You
tell
us
you've
gotten
from
residents
who
say
they
want
more
police,
not
less.
You
won't
tell
us
any
of
the
names
of
those
people.
G
You
will
approve
a
budget
increase
because
you
say
we
need
more
police
to
protect
Auto
on
residents
from
violent
crime,
even
though
the
Ops
own
stats,
Show
Ottawa,
is
very
safe.
You
will
also
approve
a
budget
increase,
despite
the
fact
that
the
Ops
is
on
stats,
show
they
spend
less
than
one
percent
of
their
time.
Responding
to
Priority
One
calls
where
there's
imminent
danger
of
bodily
harm,
meaning
armed
Ops
officers
spend
99
of
their
time
doing
things
like
directing
traffic
babysitting
construction
sites
and
responding
to
mental
health
calls.
G
They
also
spend
much
of
their
time
over
policing,
marginalized
people,
including
moving
unhoused
people
away
from
businesses
and,
as
their
stats
show,
using
force
disproportionately
on
black
Middle
Eastern
and
Indigenous
people,
as
the
Ops
denies
that
they
police
the
marginalized
and
protect
the
powerful.
We
did
some
research
to
see
if
we
could
find
any
evidence
that
they
were
in
fact
policing
the
powerful
first,
we
googled
Ottawa
Police,
charged
with
fraud,
looking
for
any
evidence
that
the
Ops
had
tried
anyone
powerful
with
that
favorite
Crime
Of,
The,
Rich
fraud
and
the
results
were
really
interesting.
G
The
third
link
that
came
up
was
about
the
613-819
block,
Hub,
getting
Hector
Addison,
a
strong
Ally
of
the
Ops
charred
with
forgery
and
remember.
We
first
submitted
our
evidence
against
Addison
to
the
Ops
Fraud
Unit,
who
said
their
hands
were
tied
because
the
criminal
code
said
they
couldn't
receive
a
fraud
charge
if
there
was
no
benefit
gained,
a
completely
false
claim.
G
The
fourth
Link
in
our
Google
results
was
about
the
Ops
charging
three
of
its
own
officers
involved
in
last
year's
tow
truck
scan.
Next,
since
most
of
the
powerful
people
in
the
city
are
land
developers,
we
googled
Ottawa
Police
charge
developer
to
see
if
we
could
find
any
evidence
of
the
Ops
ever
charging
any
developers
with
anything
and
the
results
were
even
more
interesting.
G
The
first
link
that
came
up
was
Auto
Police,
Service
superintendent,
arrested
on
sex
charges
about
former
Ops
superintendent,
Mark
Patterson
the
same
guy
by
the
way
who
lied
to
the
hub
about
the
Ops,
not
having
its
own
use
of
force
or
race
data.
The
second
link
was
Ottawa
software
developer,
charged
with
terrorism.
Okay,
we
thought
they
actually
charged
a
white
collar
white
guy
with
something.
But
then
when
we
clicked
the
story,
we
saw
that
the
guy
the
opiates
had
charged
with
terrorism
was
named
Muhammad
moment.
G
The
third
link
was
crowd,
withdrawals,
corruption,
charge
against
Auto
police
officer,
and
for
that
one
we
thought
there.
It
is
again
a
white
cop
getting
off
easy.
Until
we
learned
the
cop
was
named,
Muhammad
Muhammad,
one
of
the
tow
truck
officers
involved
in
the
scam,
was
Constable
Hussein
as
Hussein
Assad,
and
we
raised
this
because
the
opiates
and
supporters,
including
this
board,
say
that
part
of
the
solution
to
the
LPS's
problems
and
why
they
want
more
money
is
to
hire
more
diverse
officers.
G
Yet
having
a
diverse
Workforce
didn't
stop
five
black
Memphis
police
officers
from
beating
Tyree
Nichols
to
death.
Last
month,
the
Ops
issued
a
statement
condemning
those
officers
supposedly
because
Ops
officers
would
never
be
caught
on
video
viciously
beating
a
black
man
who
later
died
well,
except
for
Abner
man,
MD
more
diverse
officers,
don't
change
policing,
policing
changes
the
animal
it
changes
them,
even
if
they
work
with
units
with
nice
euphemistic
names
like
scorpion,
the
street
crime
operation
to
restore
peace
in
our
neighborhood
or
neighborhood
resource
teams.
G
It
changes
them
and
we
plan
to
get
the
data
to
prove
it
by
asking
the
solicitor
general
to
order
the
Ops
to
start
including
the
race
of
officers
in
their
use
of
force
reports
and
while
we're
discussing
plans.
Should
you
approve
at
the
February
27th
meeting
your
motion
to
prioritize
public
delegates
who
haven't
spoken
in
the
last
three
months?
The
Hub
will
take
the
board
to
court
for
violating
my
Charter
rights.
G
Let
me
explain
your
proposal
to
prioritize
public
delegates
who
haven't
spoken
in
the
last
three
months
might
have
the
best
of
intentions,
although
we
doubt
that
but
legally
it's
not
about
your
intent.
It's
about
the
impact
and
the
impact
will
be
clear,
silencing
the
one
black
Voice
who
regularly
addresses
the
board.
If
you
really
understood
or
truly
cared
about
Equity
or
human
rights
law,
you
would
give
special
time
to
Black
and
Indigenous
delegates,
but
you
don't
so
we
will
act
accordingly.
G
A
H
I'd
like
to
start
off
my
delegation
by
asking
for
the
opsb
member
on
this
committee
and
sitting
counselor
telling
community
members
that
Ottawa
police
forces
budget
is
decreasing
to
clarify
exactly
how
they've
reached
that
conclusion.
Looking
at
the
ops's
percentage
portion
of
the
city
of
ottawa's
budget,
without
considering
that
the
actual
budget
amount
every
year
is
changing,
isn't
enough
to
reach
the
conclusion
that
their
budget
is
decreasing.
H
If
the
city's
budget
is
growing
and
yet
ops's
percentage
is
less,
it
doesn't
automatically
mean
that
they
have
less
money
if
the
percentage
is
decreasing,
but
the
city
of
ottawa's
budget
amount
is
increasing.
It
means
there's
more
to
go
around
in
fact
we're
here
at
another
budget
meeting
where
they're
asking
for
another
15.2
million
dollars
for
their
operating
budget
and
60
million
dollars
for
their
capital
budget
so
telling
the
public
that
their
budget
is
decreasing
is
blatant
misinformation
that
opsb
members
should
be
fact
checking
consultations
with
community
members
stakeholders.
H
H
Was
it
the
community
members
who
have
lost
loved
ones
because
of
ops's
violence,
the
ones
who
continue
to
be
targeted
by
Ops
surveillance,
harassment
and
bullying,
the
community
members
who
are
violently
displaced
and
evicted
from
their
homes
in
a
process
facilitated
by
Ops,
and
even
some
of
the
current
board
members,
the
ones
who
were
promised
that
this
board
would
be
listening
and
learning
in
their
commitment
to
dismantle
systemic
racism?
Is
that
who
you
were
considering
when
you
said
that
this
budget
increase
wasn't
enough
and
that
Ops
needed
more
every
year?
H
We
get
these
budget
presentations
with
a
bunch
of
lists
and
priorities
that
the
budget
will
be
focusing
on
when
there's
no
evidence
to
support
that
these
real
concerns
will
be
fixed
by
cops.
Their
only
tool
is
to
react
with
enforcement
and
add
to
that
violence.
Violence
of
brutality,
violence
of
displacing
community
members,
violence
of
depleting
Community
Resources
in
their
efforts
to
expand
this
militarized
police
force.
We
heard
once
again
the
talks
of
police
body
cameras
brought
up
in
this
budget,
even
though
evidence
shows
that
body
cams
and
Tech
Solutions
don't
fix
police
violence.
H
We've
had
many
cases
where
there's
footage
of
their
atrocities
and
they're
able
to
continue
with
impunity.
These
Tech
Solutions,
like
their
tasers,
are
a
money
grab
because
once
approved,
they
will
come
back
every
year
asking
for
more
money
to
maintain
them.
They
control
the
frame,
the
cameras,
The
Narrative,
the
access
to
footage,
and
it's
clear
that
body
cams
are
going
to
be
used
as
another
surveillance
mechanism
by
cops
rather
than
an
accountability
tool.
H
We
hear
of
the
copper
pop
justification
that,
just
because
the
population
is
growing,
you
need
to
expand
militarized
social
control
in
all
spaces.
Not
only
is
this
a
really
messed
up
perception
that
community
members
are
in
need
of
constant
surveillance
and
control,
but
why
not
increase
access
to
resources
and
supports
for
these
expanding
communities
instead
of
subjecting
them
to
militarized
police
in
their
communities?
The
paramedics
are
constantly
at
level
zero,
meaning
in
the
case
of
an
actual
Priority
One
emergency,
the
people
who
can
actually
do
something
about
it.
H
Might
not
get
there
in
time
and
another
listed
priority
behind
this
budget
includes
the
advancing
advancement
of
community
policing
to
deal
with
violence
against
women.
How
does
a
police
force
who's,
riddled
with
toxicity
coercive
control
and
other
vile
behavior?
That
includes
violence
against
women
and
gender-based
violence
hope
to
take
that
on?
How
do
you
justify
that,
when,
over
the
years,
the
Ottawa
coalition
to
end
violence
against
women
has
spoken
up
and
written
to
this
award?
H
H
Survivors
have
asked
for
alternatives
to
police,
and
if
we
want
to
talk
about
consultations,
the
asks
in
the
city
of
ottawa's,
community
safety
and
well-being
plan
has
that
as
a
priority,
throwing
more
money
at
the
cops
to
fix
issue
fix
issues
that
they're,
incapable
of
fixing
and
complicit
in
creating
is
not
grounded
on
evidence.
I
urge
that
at
the
minimum
you
freeze
this
budget
and
actually
begin
reallocating
resources
to
create
capacity
for
alternatives
to
police.
Thank
you.
H
Sure
so,
if
we
understand
that
police
are
coming
at
different
situations
with
a
power
imbalance,
that's
one
part
of
the
equation.
That's
where
we're
starting
with
and
the
fact
that
they,
like
the
camera,
is
positioned
on
their
body.
So
the
perception
that
we're
getting
is
from
their
angle
of
what,
when
they
approach
a
situation
and
a
lot
of
the
times-
and
this
has
been
the
case
like
they've-
looked
at
it
in
other
places
that
they've
implant
implemented
body
cameras,
they
can
say
whatever
they
want
behind
the
camera.
H
We
don't
get
to
see
what
the
police
is
doing
with
the
police
body
camera,
so
we're
only
looking
at
it
from
their
body
angle
of
what
they're
capturing
and
they
can
choose
to
turn
it
off
whenever
they
want.
Even
if
there's
like
rules
around
it
there,
they
break
rules
all
the
time,
so
they're
we're
only
looking
at
it
from
their
perspective,
even
if
other
members
of
the
community
have
captured
video
evidence
of
their
violence.
When
has
that
gotten
us
any
form
of
accountability?
H
When
has
it
prevented
that
violence
from
occurring
in
the
first
place
so
like
as
a
measure
of
like?
If
we
have
this
footage,
we
will
be
able
to
hold
police
accountable,
it's
wrong,
because
we
already
have
that
footage
and
we
haven't
had
that
accountability,
but
another
concern
about
it
is
that
if
you
are
investing
in
Tech
every
year,
there's
going
to
be
maintenance
cost
to
that
technology.
So
it's
it's
literally
a
money
grab
and
okay.
H
A
D
J
So
basically
I
want
to
talk
about
the
draft
budget
and
the
vagueness
of
the
line
items
specifically
I
would
like
you
to
clarify
how
much
and
where
the
line
items
are
pertaining
to
ongoing
paid
suspensions.
For
example,
Mark
Patterson
who's
been
suspended
since
last
September
for
grooming
and
sexually
assaulting
new
recruits.
J
So,
let's
see
and
I
also
wanted
to
ask
about,
will
hindenberger
who
has
been
on
paid
suspension
for
four
years
for
over
20
counts
of
sexual
assault
and
violence
towards
women.
Just
going
to
read
a
little
article
about
his
his
crimes
here,
suspended
Ottawa,
please
Auto,
police
staff
sergeant
will
hinterberger
is
accused
of
breaching
several
bail
conditions
related
to
his
initial
charges
of
sexual
assault,
forcible
confinement,
unauthorized
possession
of
a
firearm,
Distributing
intimate
images
without
consent
and
Bridge
of
trust,
Distributing
an
intimate
image
without
consent.
J
That's
Revenge
form,
so
he's
been
on
paid
suspension
for
four
years
now
and
he
received
raises
so
I'm.
Looking
at
the
your
budgets
and
I'm
looking
at
the
overall
page
of
Ops,
not
the
individual
departments,
which
have
a
lot
of
really
big
categories,
is
other
I'm
curious.
How
that
kind
of
wording
in
a
line
by
line
budget
is
acceptable
because
we
need
to
see
what
every
we
need
to
see
every
single
purchase
that
you've
seen
whether
you've
got
any
receipts.
J
J
What
are
you
doing
and
like
in
the
last
five
years?
What
has
Ops
done
for
policy
reform
dealing
with
paid
suspensions,
because
Ontario
is
the
only
province
in
Canada
that
is
mandated
to
pay
with
suspension
and
what
we
see
is
you
have
people
like
will
Hinton
Burger,
who
are
milking
their
full
benefits
and
pension?
That's
our
taxable
money
and
pensional
earnings
to
just
resign
at
the
end
of
their
trial,
so
they
milk
it
and
then
they
resign
and
then
they
don't
have
to
charge
and
they
go
work
at
another
Police
Service.
J
So
I'm
really
curious.
What
Ops
has
done
in
the
last
five
years
and
I've
been
attending
this
board
for
four
now
so
I
know
it's
kind
of
a
trick
question.
What
have
you
done
about
the
policy
changes
and
the
reforms,
and
where
is
the
paid
suspension
and
litigation
and
context
of
the
cases
for
sexual
assault
and
fertilization.
J
Why
is
your
Blind
by
line
audit
like
we
need
an
audit,
you
need
to
freeze
the
budget
and
audit
this
completely
and
Mark
Mark
Sutcliffe
said
he
was
looking
for
that
you
need
to
freeze
the
budget
until
that's
done,
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
money,
but
it's
gonna
show
your
whole
ass
and
that's
what
we
need
this
to
do
and
I'm
sorry
for
saying:
yes,
actually
wait,
forget
your
parliamentary
language.
That's
for
you
guys,
not
us.
J
A
You're
not
gonna
answer
my
questions.
Unless
you
are
well
actually
I
was
going
to
answer
your
question
really
I
was
going
to
tell
I
was
going
to
tell
you
that
this
board
has
advocated
to
do
that,
change
that
you
have
been
asking
that
you
mentioned
about
suspended
police
officers,
and
regrettably
this
is
a
provincial
issue.
J
The
new
can
I
say
something
in
response
sure
go
ahead,
okay,
so
the
thing
is
before
you
guys
took
over
the
board.
Diane
Deans
and
former
Chief
slowly
had
already
started
implementing
a
new
response
system
internally
at
Ops,
when
Al
shantieri
got
the
board
that
looked
like
it
got
axed
or
you
guys,
just
kind
of
swooped
in
and
just
like.
Oh
we
did
this,
so
it's
like
in
the
last
five
years,
I've
seen
nothing
about
Ops
specifically
advocating
for
this
change.
I
shouldn't
be
the
one
that
has
to
do
this.
J
That's
your
job
and
you
can't
keep
saying
like
well,
we
need
more
money
and,
like
85
of
your
budget,
is
the
salaries
yet
you're.
Paying
will
hindenberger
like
140k
a
year
plus
benefits
for
sexual
assault
and
like
over
20
counts
of
sexual
assault
and
violence.
So
it's
like,
he
still
works
for
you,
there's
an
efficiency
for
you
right
there.
Why
is
OC
Transpo,
getting
a
50
million
dollars
cut
from
their
services
and
you're
getting
60
million
for
your
buildings?
J
D
B
Thanks
for
your
submission
to
the
board,
Bailey
I
was
actually
just
going
to
ask
you
on
that.
Do
you
know
what
other
provinces
have
done,
because
it
would
be
very
helpful,
I'm
not
expecting
to
go
out
and
do
research,
but
I'm
just
wondering
right
now.
If
you
know
what
other
provinces
have
done,
I
hear
you
saying
Advocate,
you
know
Advocate
harder
and-
and
we
can
do
that-
we
can
continue
to
do
that.
Know
that
that's
not
what
you're
talking
about
Bailey
is
frustrating
to
all
of
us.
B
A
lot
of
professors
have
that
where
people
are
off
and
they're
still
getting
paid
and
they've
done
something
that
is
totally
against
anything
that
you
know
they
should
be
doing
in
that
profession
and
they're
still
getting
paid
so
just
as
frustrating
to
us,
but
I.
Just
wonder
if
you
know
of
anything
else
that
was
done
in
another
province
that
you
could
share
with
us.
Well,.
J
The
reality
of
the
other
provinces
is
like
their
provinces.
You
can
suspend
without
pay.
So
it's
like
that's
why
I'm
curious,
like
I've,
been
going
to
this
board
for
five
years
or
the
four
years,
basically
and
I've,
never
seen
any
of
you
talk
about
this
any
of
the
board
of
soccer.
The
D
support
did
and
slowly
did
Implement
a
new
like
complaint
system
for
the
internal
thing,
so
it's
like
like
even
then
going
into
like
the
budgets
of
that.
J
It's
like
how
many
fake
psychologists
are
you
still
employing
like
Frey,
who
was
used
to
weapon
weaponized
against
Kimberly
cataract?
What
about
like,
like
Kevin
Ben
lost
stuff
like
that
he's
still
employed
where's
the
justice
for
Kate
Mitchell?
You
know
what
I
mean
like
there's
been
and
like
just
looking
like
publication
bands
all
these
things
that
has
to
come
from
you
that
has
to
come
from
the
Ops,
and
you
need
to
stop
hiring
these
goobers
all
the
time
and
like
the
mark,
Patterson
he's
been
working.
How
long
at
Ops?
J
How
many
more
victims
did
he
have
that
weren't
caught
and
like
that's
the
thing
you
can't,
you
know
who
the
problem
officers
are
and
that
you're
silent
like
these?
This
has
to
come
from
OBS.
You
know
who
the
problem
officers
are,
and
you
do
nothing
even
if
it's
like
locked
up
in
like
a
PSA
or
like
the
provincial
stuff,
and
all
these
things
that's
up
to
you.
Okay,
you
can
push
him
out.
J
You
can
charge
him,
you
can
there's
so
many
workarounds
and
you
guys
have
the
control
of
the
the
criminal
justice
system,
because
it's
linked
to
the
courts
like
I'm,
not
saying
it's
all
ops,
but
it's
like
I
understand
that
it
goes
through
the
chords
and
those
are
also
like
messed
up
and
they
protect
predators
and
stuff
like
this,
but
as
a
municipal
for
a
source.
Here.
What
have
you
done?
Yeah.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
baby.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
the
association
or
the
Ontario
Association
of
chiefs
of
police,
their
general
meeting
in
July
of
2021.
They
passed
a
motion
that
spoke
to
exactly
what
you're,
referencing
and
and
then
released
a
media
statement
and
I'll
just
read
the
headline
of
it.
It
says
police
leaders
call
for
substantive
changes
to
Ontario's
police
discipline
systems,
which
includes
suspension
with
opaque.
So
we
are
part
of
that
Association
and
we
did
support
and
will
continue
to
support
that
particular
motion.
C
But
it
is
a
legislative
change
that
is
needed.
There
is
a
new,
you
know
Police
Service
Act,
that
is
going
to
be
unveiled
in
the
coming
months
and
whether
it
includes
this
particular
aspect
of
change.
We
don't
know
because
we
haven't
seen
that
legislation
yet,
but
it
is
something
that
police
leaders
in
Ontario,
including
the
Ops,
have
support.
A
J
K
K
Quick
comment:
I
hope
this
doesn't
come
to
my
five
minutes.
The
board
can
pass
a
rule
given
no
investigations,
Beyond
120
days
without
bought
approval
and
for
disciplinary
hearings.
They
can
give
that
you
know
I
mean
preferably
three
months,
but
even
if
it's
six
months,
but
basically
the
board
can
pass
a
rule
to
ensure
that,
from
from
when
it's
accused
and
to
end
as
a
disciplinary,
it
doesn't
take
more
than
a
year.
So
then
we
don't
have
all
these
four
years
correctness
salary.
So
that's
in
the
Bots
power.
K
So
that
was
in
reference
to
the
previous
conversation
and
now
my
comments.
Hope
I
don't
run
out
of
time,
but
it's
okay
to
hit
my
black
gods,
but
it's
not
okay
to
violate
section
123
of
the
criminal
code
influences
or
attempts
to
influence
a
municipal
official
to
abstain
from
voting
to
vote
against
or
to
fail
to
perform
an
official
Act
by
suppression
of
the
truth.
K
So
where
is
the
transparent
reply
to
re-ops
business
plan
objectives?
Core
functions?
How
we
provide
Police
Services
resource
planning
impact
on
the
budget
for
other
City
committees,
then
I
said:
there's
no
penalty,
there's
no
penalty!
Oh,
my
goodness!
A
final
budget
can
be
set
aside
for
violating
the
regulation
that
requires
a
business
plan
every
three
years.
K
There's
no
penalty.
Therefore,
if
Council
approves
the
Ops
budget,
that's
an
abusive
process
because
it
allows
the
opsb
and
Council
to
do
indirectly
what
they
cannot
do
directly.
Please
explain
why
you
disagree.
So
this
is
a
question.
That's
gone
both
to
the
City
website,
site
consultation
and
the
ops
website,
so
I
hope
I
will
get
a
public
and
transparent
response
to
that
question.
K
K
The
Ops
budget
should
fund
knees
of
the
necks
of
indigenous
people,
visible
minorities
and
female
police
officers
by
immediately
funding
an
opsp
legal
council
City
lawyers
issued
illegal
opinion
with
four
false
statements,
which
were
weaponized
by
councilors
to
publicly
defame
and
malign
the
black.
So
as
the
prophet
of
lower
credibility,
black
slave
trade
pre-existing
disadvantages,
I
issued
11
extricable
questions
of
law
and
have
respectfully
asked
the
board
to
take
the
change
of
the
indigenous
and
black
community.
By
referring
both
documents
to
the
police,
commission
and
FYI
Canada
did
enslave
indigenous
and
black
people.
K
K
The
chief
himself
said
inspector
2
does
not
have
enough
resources,
so
this
budget
should
fund
the
opsb
and
the
chief's
gender
Equity
lands
promise
to
re-task
internal
investigations
to
an
independent
office
of
workplace
investigations
which
can
be
a
law
firm
or
the
auditor
general.
The
only
secret
cow
is
Criminal
investigations.
K
Once
every
three
years,
Ontario
gave
canceled
the
right
to
negotiate
an
opsb
business
plan
on
whether
to
re-task
similar
to
the
Toronto
City
Council,
11
million
dollar
pilot,
which
is
run
by
a
black
female
social
worker,
whether
to
re-task
the
911
call
center,
whether
to
re-task,
speeding,
bylaws
speed
traps
on
city
streets,
whether
to
re-task
all
police
misconduct
investigations
so
as
to
get
value
from
the
35
comprehensation
differential
between
foreign
office
says
another
city
staff.
Lastly,
if
the
Ops
pass
a
budget
without
a
business
plan,
the
commission
can
void
the
budget.
K
A
K
Can
I
respond
to
that?
Yes,
the
regulation,
a
strategic
plan
is
not
a
business
plan.
The
regulations
specifically
requires
a
business
plan
every
three
years
and
gives
Council
power
to
jointly
develop
that
business
plan
with
the
opsp.
So
that's
what
I'm,
referring
to
when
I
say
yes,
see
this
solicitor,
a
misleading
Council
that
they
do
not.
They
cannot
once
every
three
years
have
direct
input
to
negotiate
the
budget
with
the
opsp.
K
So
what
I'm
saying
is
this,
because
that
law
has
been
broken
because
there
is
no
business
plan
and
the
business
plan
is
required
in
order
to
draft
the
budget
in
a
judicial
review
that
is
grounds
to
strike
down
the
budget.
So
I'm
saying
this
is
my
position
and
I've
explained
it.
So
will
the
board
and
the
city
respond
to
why
they
disagree
with
this
position?
That's
question.
One
question
two:
is
that
I
I
nicely
laid
out
11
declarations
on
questions
of
law
where
me
and
the
city
solicitor
are
in
disagreement.
D
A
A
L
We
need
to
redirect
that
money
to
services
that
that
will
help
us.
The
board
and
Council
have
the
power
to
approve
or
to
not
approve
the
Ops
budget.
And
if
you
really
want
to
keep
all
Ottawa
residents
safe,
you
will
reject
further
Ops
budget
increases
and
demand
for
a
budget
that
freezes
up
that
budget
and
opens
up
funding
for
other
things
that
actually
keep
us
safe.
L
L
If
I
show
up
here
at
every
meeting
and
every
meeting,
you
either
bring
up
some
sort
of
rule
that
says
I'm
not
allowed
to
speak
or
if
you
smile,
and
thank
me
for
my
presentation,
knowing
that
you
will
ignore
every
single
word
that
comes
out
of
my
mouth,
but
I
will
come
back
and
the
community
will
come
back
and
we
will
show
up
and
we
won't
stop
until
we
see
that
our
communities
are
listening
to.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
I
was
saying
thank
you
motion.
Please
do
not
think
that
we're
ignoring
you
every
board
member
is
listening
to
every
word.
That
is
being
said
here
today.
Are
there
any
questions
from
board
members
not
at
this
time
all
right.
Thank
you,
Moksha
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
Our
next
speaker
is
Meryl
aduli.
L
A
M
On
January
27th
of
this
year,
the
Ottawa
Police
released
a
statement
condemning
the
murder
of
Tyree
Nichols
at
the
hand
of
police
officers
in
Tennessee.
The
statement
appropriately
identified,
Mr
nichols's
death
as
inexcusable
and
deeply
troubling
I
and
many
others
in
our
community
found
this
statement
to
be
an
act
of
mere
moral
posturing.
M
37
year
old
Rahman
Abdi,
an
individual
who
was
also
suffered
with
mental
illness,
was
murdered
by
Ottawa
polices.
Daniel
monsion,
who
beat
abdrahman
Abdi
to
death,
while
re
wearing
reinforced
gloves
the
Ottawa
Police
then
lifted
monsie
on
suspension.
These
cases
of
extreme
force
being
used
are
not
isolated.
Incidents
of
poor
judgment
by
police
officers
as
a
resident
of
the
city
I
hear
countless
stories
of
individuals
making
9-1-1
calls
for
help
in
mental
health
situations
and
then
being
subjugated
to
unnecessary
use
of
force
by
police.
M
These
stories
being
disproportionately
higher
among
those
in
marginalized
groups,
especially
among
those
who
identify
as
being
part
of
black
Middle,
Eastern,
indigenous
and
two-spirit
lgbtq
plus
communities.
This
result
is
also
reflected
in
the
Ottawa
polices.
2021
annual
report
that
included
results
of
a
survey
the
Ottawa
Police
conducted,
which
showed
an
increase
of
dissatisfaction
in
police
services
among
marginalized
groups,
which
makes
the
recent
statement
about
Tyree,
nichols's,
murder,
all
the
more
insincere
and
quite
plainly
put
hypocritical
I
will
speak
for
myself,
but
I'm
positive.
That
I
reflect
the
sentiment
of
others
within
the
city.
M
I
do
not
feel
safe.
Around
police
I
fear
the
police
during
the
unlawful
occupation
by
the
Convoy
last
year,
and
whenever
else
they
decided
to
pop
up
afterwards
me,
my
friends
and
members
of
within
my
community
made
jokes,
but
we
were
being
serious
about
how
if
we
were
to
go
downtown
we'd,
not
only
experience
harassment
by
neo-fascists,
but
also
experience
trouble
with
the
police,
but
police
officers
cannot
solely
be
held
to
blame
for
the
mistrust.
It's
also
at
the
hands
of
the
board.
M
Police
officers
have
three
jobs.
The
first
is
their
actual
job,
which
is
to
protect
and
serve,
and
the
other
two
are
that
of
a
social
worker
and
that
of
a
mental
health
professional
which
they
have
no
business
doing
considering
they.
They
don't
have
the
training
for
it.
Officers
have
also
taken
on
the
role
of
being
judged
during
an
executioner,
but
I
haven't
got
the
time
to
delve
into
that.
M
Did
asking
police
officers
with
Services
they
have
no
training
in
will
reduce
the
likelihood
of
police
interactions
with
vulnerable
community
members,
reducing
violence
perpetrated
by
police,
which
will
naturally
regain
the
Public's
trust
now
I'm.
Certain
members
of
the
board
have
heard
these
statements
time
and
time
again,
which
has
led
to
a
general
feeling
of
frustration
towards
the
Ottawa
Police
by
residents
of
the
city,
who
myself
can't
help
but
wonder
why
it
is
taking
so
long
to
dismantle
a
dated
power
structure
that
works
against
both
police
officers
and
residents
of
the
city.
M
After
looking
at
the
city
and
police
budgets,
I
quickly
understood
that
the
reason
why
these
services
are
still
exist
are
because,
because
they're
still
being
funded,
the
Ottawa
Police,
Services
Board
thoughtless
request
for
more
funding
shows
a
complete
disregard
to
what
this
residents
of
this
city
actually
want.
And
members
of
this
board,
who
tossed
around
the
irrelevant
claim
that
funding
is
decreasing,
proves
that
they
do
not
only
they
do
not
actually
care
about
meeting
the
needs
of
the
community.
It
costs
a
specific
amount
of
money
to
provide
Services.
M
You
don't
need
a
specific
percentage
that
is
available
within
the
city's
budget.
The
police
budget
is
far
from
being
underfunded
and
is
actually
bloated
using
the
Convoy
as
an
excuse,
isn't
fooling
anyone
the
reason
why
the
situation
got
as
bad
as
it
did
isn't
because
you're
underfunded.
It
was
because
you
blew
it.
M
A
N
So
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
I
I.
Remember
everybody
has
said
a
lot
of
things
already
and
I.
Don't
necessarily
need
to
go
over
what
I
was
going
to
say
because,
like
I
said,
everyone
has
had
a
lot
of
really
good
things
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
kind
of
gets
talked
about
over
and
over
and
over
again
is
the
fact
that
we
spend
so
much
money
doing
very
silly
things
with
the
police
and
one
of
those
silly
things
is
handing
out
popsicles.
N
N
N
N
Police
are
at
my
apartment,
dealing
with
me,
sometimes
for
like
half
an
hour
an
hour
and
you've
got
two.
Sometimes
three
cops
show
up,
because
usually
it's
two
two
show
up
and
then
sometimes
the
third
one
is
like.
Oh,
what
are
my
buddies
doing?
They
see
the
cop,
the
car's
outside
and
they're
like
what's
going
on
and
they
show
up.
So
you
got
three
cops
and
they're
all
chit
chatting
with
me
and
they're.
Just
we're
just
still
talking
about
what
resources
do
not
exist
in
both
the
city
and
the
province.
N
We've
had
this
conversation
a
million
times
and
they
keep
showing
up,
because
my
superintendent
keeps
calling.
Why
doesn't
he
get?
Maybe
I
don't
know
charged
with
misuse
of
police
resources
or
at
least
threatened
with
that,
so
that
he
stops
calling,
because
there's
no
reason
for
him
to
continue
calling
to
continue
wasting
their
time.
N
I'm
not
doing
anything
wrong.
I'm
having
a
mental
health
crisis
and
their
time
is
being
wasted.
Coming
to
my
apartment,
talking
to
me
having
the
same
conversation
and
then
leaving
and
they're
here
for
sometimes
a
very
long
time,
because
we're
just
talking
we're
just
having
the
same
conversation
and
it
is
it's
just
it's
it's
silly.
N
That's
the
only
word
that
I
can
really
use
to
fit
into
your
parliamentary
language
is
silly
and
I,
and
so,
when
I
and
when
I
talk
to
the
officers
that
are
here,
they
agree
with
me
that
it's
a
waste
of
their
time.
They
often
will
say
well
we're
just
trying
to
de-escalate
you
and
I'm
like
but
you're,
not
even
trying
to
do
that
and
they're
like
oh
yeah,
we're
we're
not,
and
so
they
just
they're
just
like
okay,
I
guess
we'll
leave
then
and
I'm
like
yeah
I.
N
Guess
that's,
probably
a
good
idea
and
maybe
on
your
way
out,
tell
him
not
to
call
like
just
tell
them:
don't
do
it.
I
will
calm
down
on
my
own,
and
he
knows
that,
and
you
know
that
and
let's
just
stop
all
of
this
silliness
and
if
you
want
me
to
get
better
and
to
have
better
access
to
things
that
actually
help
me
for
it
I'm
on
waiting
lists.
They
don't
have
money
to
help
me
so
pay
for
that
stuff.
Instead.
N
N
Copious
amounts
of
data
that
show
you
that
reducing
things
like
poverty,
reduce
crime
and
I,
don't
understand
why
you
sit
there
and
you
look
at
me
and
all
the
other
delegates
that
continue
to
come
here
and
you
don't
put
those
two
things
together:
reducing
poverty
reduces
crime,
it's
just
so
simple
and
there's
data
data.
Scholarly
data,
academic
data,
it's
all
over
the
place,
reduce
poverty,
reduces
crime
from
childhood
poverty
that
affects
the
development
of
the
child's
brain.
N
It's
all
over
the
place,
and
then
you
get
mad
at
people
who
show
up
and
frustrated
I,
see
people
rolling
their
eyes
and
giggling
and
stuff
like
that.
I
see
it
all
the
time
I
pay
attention
to
those
patterns,
I
watch
how
frustrated
you
get
at
people
when
they
talk,
because
you
don't
like
to
hear
that
we're
right.
N
A
A
D
O
Great
thanks,
yes,
just
to
respond
briefly
to
the
or
comment
briefly
on
the
previous
delegate
and
finishing
up
and
just
say
you
know,
I
think
we
know
why
the
police
paid.
You
know
folks
to
have
no
popsicles,
obviously
to
make
the
service
look
good
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
there's
a
department
that
spends
more
on
marketing
and
PR
than
the
in
the
Ops-
and
you
know,
there's
probably
a
very
big
efficiency
there,
bigger
than
500
000
that
we
could
probably
find
there.
O
So
thanks
thanks
to
the
previous
Delegate
for
bringing
that
up,
and
it's
too
bad
to
see
that
you
know
she
was
cut
short
there.
But
you
know
I
just
obviously
want
to
recognize
that
you
know
we're
on
the
unseated
and
unsurrendered
territory
of
the
Algonquin
people,
because
you
know
it's
an
important
thing
to
remember
and
and
a
pretty
Hollow
land
acknowledgment
from
the
Auto
police
board.
O
So
I
wanted
to
do
it
in
the
beginning
of
my
delegation,
because
you
know
when
you
have
someone
sitting
in
the
Chief's
chair
who
was
deeply
involved
in
perpetuating
armed
violence
against
indigenous
peoples
on
what's
what's
in
territory,
you
know,
I,
think
it's
important
and
having
someone
complicit
in
colonial
violence
isn't
a
good
look
for
reconciliation,
and
you
know
I
I
want
to
begin
by.
You
know,
reading
out
the
board
policy
in
regards
to
scope
and
accountability.
O
It
reads
you
know
the
board
represents
the
public
interest
in
determining
appropriate
organizational
performance
of
the
Auto
police
services
and
in
providing
civilian
oversight
and
government
of
the
activities
of
the
Police
Service.
You
know
I
stated
in
the
board
policy.
The
role
of
members
of
this
board
is
to
represent
the
public
interest,
not
to
represent
the
interest
of
the
police.
Yet
our
representatives
to
the
police
I
know
you
know.
I've
said
this
often,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
bode
well
or
or
or
or
go
into
folks's
head,
but
you
know
not
vice
versa.
O
You
know,
then,
why
are
members
on
this
committee
that
are
deliberately
missing
the
public
and
actually
telling
them
that
the
police
budget
is
decreasing?
We
know
this
isn't
true.
It
literally
says
that
the
budget
is
increasing
under
our
City's
website.
It
isn't
okay
to
spread
misinformation
and
use,
cherry-pick
books
to
support
a
police
narrative.
This
board
is
supposed
to
be
an
oversight
board
for
the
police,
not
a
PR
and
a
marketing
board
for
them.
O
The
myth
being
spread-
and
it's
already
been
mentioned
here
several
times-
is
that
the
police
budget
is
decreasing
because
the
proportion
has
decreased
from
2017
or
whatever
random
metric
random
year
that
they're
using,
but
the
share
of
the
budget
is
a
reflection
of
the
size
of
the
total
budget
and
cannot
be
used
to
state
that
the
police
budget
is
increasing
or
decreasing.
I
would
highly
caution
members
against
using
this
rhetoric.
O
It's
misleading
untrue
and
will
lead
to
further
mistrust
that
you
know
even
the
police-
and
you
have
all
acknowledged
that
exist
among
vast
sections
of
our
population
here
in
Ottawa,
I
mean
and
further.
Let's
look
at
the
capital
budget,
it's
nearly
tripling
in
size
from
23
million
dollars
to
60
million
dollars,
instead
of
choosing
to
delay
the
building
of
the
South
facility.
O
This
mayor
and
Council
are
going
to
choose
to
delay
LRT
stage
two
which
will
cost
residents
a
lot
more
LRT
would
stage
two
would
benefit
people
a
lot
more
than
a
police
station
in
barhaven.
You
know
it
truly
astounds
me
that
members
can
sit
here
and
tell
me
and
their
constituents
that
this
police
budget
is
actually
decreasing
when
in
fact
it's
increasing
more
than
it
ever
has
before
it's
increased
by
over
300
percent.
O
O
Because
I
like
to
talk
about
facts,
you
know
the
increase
of
the
police
budget
is,
is
you
know
right
now,
there's
a
housing
and
planning
committee
meeting
happening
and
at
the
same
time
and
they're
talking
about
whether
or
not
to
allocate
just
15
million
dollars
to
build
more
affordable
homes,
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
less
than
the
police
budget
increase.
Think
about
that
you
know,
and
just
a
second
about
the
community
consultations
that
police
do.
O
You
know
they're,
not
legitimate,
in
my
view,
they're
hand-picked
consultations
and
focus
groups
that
don't
actually
reflect
what
people
want.
What
we've
heard
from
this
Chief
and
from
members
of
this
board
is
that
you
don't
think
the
police
budget
should
be,
should
be
decreased.
You
know,
if
you
don't
think
that
the
police
budget
should
be
increased
well,
they
should
say.
Well,
we
disagree.
That's
not
dialogue,
that's
not!
Community
consultation.
Will
you
listen
to
the
majority
of
servant
respondents
if
they
say
that
you
need
to
cut
and
find
the
pictures
of
the
police
budget?
O
Probably
not.
You
know
the
police
themselves
even
even
admit
in
their
budget
that
the
efficiencies
this
year
are
less
than
in
previous
years,
and
you
know
that
they
weren't
even
able
to
meet
the
efficiency
Target
last
year.
Why
is
there
a
consistent
double
standard
when
it
comes
to
efficiencies
on
the
police?
O
You
know
the
last
time
you're
just
finished.
You
know
the
last
time
we
spoke
at
the
police
board.
Meeting
mayor
Sutcliffe
said
that
he
and
the
board
went
advocating
for
an
increase
in
the
budget,
we're
speaking
for
the
people
who
aren't
here
today.
Well,
you
know
there
are
tons
and
tons
of
people
who
support
a
freeze
who
are
also
not
here
today,
speaking
I've
spoken
to
them
homeless.
O
Folks,
residents
traumatized
by
the
Convoy
people
living
out
in
the
suburbs
too,
just
because
they
aren't
here
in
an
extremely
inconvenient
time
doesn't
mean
that
there
aren't
tons
more
who
oppose
this
arbitrary
increase
today,
when
other
services
like
Paramedic
Services,
are
getting
crumbs.
While
we
continue
to
see
multiple
level
zeros
and
finally
just
to
wrap
up
in
response
to
the
question,
slash
comment
around
body
cams:
it
has
been
proven
to
not
be
effective
around
stopping
police
killings
and
the
police.
Murder
of
Tire
Nichols
is
a
fact
a
case.
O
In
fact,
it
didn't
stop
his
killing,
it
didn't
stop
George
Floyd
said,
and
the
fact
that
there
has
been
video
footage
of
abdurama
abdi's
death
didn't
bring
Daniel
monsters
into
justice.
So,
of
course
the
auto
Police
Association
is
excited
about
this
because
they
know
it's
a
hollow
move
towards
false
accountability
that
they
can
point
to
for
brownie
points
without
doing
the
actual
work
of
holding
police
officers
accountable.
Thank
you.
A
A
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
good
morning
to
you
and
chief
good
morning,
all
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
join
you
today
and
offer
a
few
comments
of
my
own
I'm
not
going
to
focus
on
the
budget
line
by
line
at
this
time.
I've
attended
many
of
your
meetings
in
the
past,
but
I
do
want
to
Raise
The
Chronic
concern
in
my
ward
that
I've
raised
at
the
board.
That
needs
a
little
more
attention
and
I
hope
to
raise
that
with
you
today.
Q
I
believe
that
the
ops's
priorities
need
to
be
a
reflection
of
communities,
priorities
and
the
priorities
of
our
residents
and
one
top
priority
in
River
Ward.
That
has
consistent
since
even
before
I
was
elected
door.
Knocking
is
that
of
road
safety
and
speed
enforcement,
and
my
concerns
is:
there
appears
to
be
a
Chasm
between
the
expected
service
levels
and
needs
within
our
our
communities
and
the
service
that
we're
seeing
delivered
in
residential
communities
in
particular,
and
you
know,
the
police
sometimes
post
pictures
of
their
their
work
on
line
Bank
Road.
Q
It
seems
to
be
a
number
one
street
that
the
police
like
to
promote
very
rural
and
open
Heron
Road
in
my
ward
in
particular,
coming
down
a
hill
I.
Don't
dispute
that
there's
speeding
or
issues,
but
my
number
one
concern
and
priority
is:
is
our
residential
communities
where
we
hear
from
over
and
over
and
over
and
where
their
risks
to
the
public
are
higher
and
higher
and
higher
and
I'm
saying
sometimes
the
low-hanging
fruit
seems
to
get
the
police's
attention
and
really
it's
not
a
reflection
of
where
our
community
continues
to
raise
concerns.
Q
I
I
want
to
talk
about
the
the
need
and
expectation
that
the
police
sit
down
with
elected
members
at
least
once
a
year
to
talk
about
priorities.
We
don't
seem
to
be
doing
that
on
any
consistent
basis
and
there
needs
to
be
an
understanding
of
of
what
those
priorities
are,
or
certainly
you
know,
represent.
50
000
people
can
summarize
what
those
issues
are,
and
it's
more
than
just
road
safety
and
enforcement
issues.
Q
The
introduction
of
the
neighborhood
response
teams
was
a
welcomed
addition.
We
obviously
fell
short
on
sort
of
community
policing
and
there
were
some
budget
reductions
there
and
I
think
there
was
wide
agreement
that
that
was
not
a
good
direction
to
go
in,
and
so
the
the
introduction
of
the
nrts
was
was
welcomed
into
the
community,
and
these
teams
of
seven
or
eight
have
even
a
traffic
resource
again,
which
is
really
great.
Q
But
since
their
introduction
Community
has
clearly
stated
to
me-
and
it
was
again
reinforced
during
the
past
election
campaign
that
there's
really
a
disconnect
in
the
community
about
the
nrts
who
they
are.
What
do
they
do?
What
are
their
priorities?
How
are
their
priorities
set?
How
do
they
engage
the
community
to
determine
what
those
priorities
and
needs
are
and
I
did
raise
that
with
senior
Staff
last
year?
Q
What
I
would
like
to
see
with
nrts
is
an
annual
discussion
about
what
the
objective
should
be
input
to
those
objectives
and
at
the
end
of
the
year
there
should
be
input
to
an
assessment,
a
measurement
tool.
How
do
you
know
your
nrts
are
being
successful?
Are
the
nrts
meeting
the
goals
that
were
originally
established?
You
continue
to
increase
nrts
across
the
city,
which
I
do
believe
is
a
good
move,
but
the
community's
saying
wait
a
minute.
We
have
significant
needs.
Q
We've
been
identified
as
neighborhoods
that
need
more
Police
Service,
and
yet
there
isn't
that
engagement
on
what
should
our
priorities
be
and
Reporting
out?
I
do
know
they
do
good
work,
but
the
average
resident
has
no
clue
no
idea.
So
it's
frustrating
that
road
safety
issues
and
Road
enforcement
matters
continue
to
be
top
of
mind.
Q
The
chief
or
Senior
Management
have
that
discretion
to
reallocate
those
resources
to
tackle
other
issues
and
I.
Understand
that.
But
you
know
when
Chief
Bordello
made
the
traffic
enforcement
and
road
safety
one
of
his
top
three
priorities,
and
then
we
didn't
see
the
funding,
and
then
we
had
no
Community
police
officers
for
a
period
of
time.
Q
Communities
say:
hey
what's
going
on
here,
so
the
nrts
are
good
but,
like
I
said,
I
want
to
reinforce
the
need
for
greater
communication
with
counselors
greater
communication
with
the
public
and
a
greater
co-establishment
of
those
priorities
and
an
understanding
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Whether
they've
been
effective,
so
lots
to
say
I
wanted
to
plant
that
today,
because
that
continues
to
be
a
major
issue
in
my
award
and
we
need
to
see
it
may
not
be
a
budget
issue.
A
B
Yeah,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
a
lot
councilor
Brockington
for
coming
to
say
that
they're
you're,
actually,
you
may
think
you're
only
speaking
for
50
000
people,
but
it
actually
is
the
same
thing.
I'm
hearing
from
most
counselors
in
the
rural
and
Suburban
Wards,
saying
the
same
thing
that
the
nrts
you
know
similar
to.
When
we
have
the
LRT
breaks
down,
we
have
R1
busing
the
buses
come
from
other
areas.
B
That's
that's
what's
happening
with
our
nrts
is
my
understanding
is
that
we
often
pull
officers
that
are
from
outlying
areas
into
to
some
of
the
you
know,
protests
or
whatever
it
is
we
have
going
on.
But
what
I
want
to
ask
is
what
do
you
like?
How
do
you
see
that
happening?
I
I
know
it's
not
difficult
for
you
to
meet
with
the
nrt
or
that
you
know
for
the
police
to
have
to
come
and
talk
to
us
about
our
award
stats.
That's
I
think
an
easy
one.
How
do
you
see
that
meeting?
B
You
just
think
you
want
to
have
like
a
community
meeting
with
the
nrt
or
because
I
mean
you've
got
different
areas
of
town.
Are
your
geography's
big?
You
know
some
areas
are
enormous.
How
do
you
see
that
actually
happening?
Because
this
is
totally
what
we
will
be
talking
about?
One
of
the
things
we'll
be
talking
about
in
Street,
strategic
planning
for
sure
yeah.
Q
Q
But
it's
not
just
Road
road
safety
issues,
counselor
Curry,
it's
you
know,
property,
standard
issues
and
crime,
and
you
know
drug
dealing
and
car
break-ins
and
I
see
my
role
as
as
a
major
facilitator
between
the
police
and
community
and
I'm
at
the
police's
service
and
many
times
that
they
want
me
to
organize
a
meeting
of
community
leaders
to
boil
down
what
the
issues
are.
And
then
we
look
to
the
nrt
or
or
Community
police
officers
say
all
right.
Here
are
the
three
main
issues
guys.
Q
What's
your
plan
get
back
to
us
in
30
days?
How
are
you
going
to
respond
to
this?
What's
the
best
way
to
respond
to
this,
so
I
can
share
that
with
the
community
and-
and
you
go
from
a
very
you-
know,
minor
way
to
deal
with
problems
too.
You
know
very
high
level
of
resources
depending
on
what
the
issue
or
issues
are,
but
that
seems
to
have
been
lost.
We
just
don't
have
that
constant
line
of
communication,
and
you
know
the
answer.
Sometimes
I
get
is
well.
Q
Q
Those
and
I
do
know
the
police
are
making
inroads
and
there
are
successes
and
there's
good
work
happening,
but
we
don't
know
that
that's
just
not
shared
with
us
and
I
think
that
would
help
the
police
in
the
community
better
explain
what
they're
up
to
and
what
they're
doing,
because
I
do
know.
There
is
good
work
happening,
but
the
general
public
have
no
idea
and
I
think
there's
got
to
be
a
way
for
the
public
to
to
hear
that
as
well.
B
A
C
C
Deputy
chief
Burnett
has
his
hand
up
as
well
too,
and
he
looks
after
a
number
of
those
units
as
well
too
so
I
hope,
I,
don't
step
on
your
toes
there
too
much
Paul
in
what
I'm
going
to
say
in
regards
to
the
the
traffic
issues
and
road
safety
cannot
argue
with
you.
One
bit
agree
with
you
in
terms
of
that
that
need
to
have
more
presence
and
have
more
enforcement
in
key
areas.
It
is
a
a
unit
that
is
the
vacancy
rate
on
that
unit.
C
I
really
want
to
decrease
it
and
get
get
more
resources
into
that
unit.
I
think
they're
they're
around
half
of
what
they
should
be.
So
the
the
unfortunate
part
is
that
you
know
we.
We
usually
take
people
from
the
front
line
into
traffic
and
there
are
those
that
want
to
go,
but
the
front
line
is
short,
so
they
get
blocked.
If
you
will
from
going
in
and
we
we.
D
C
To
see
more
people
get
into
that
area
and
traffic
is
also
a
candidate
to
to
get
pulled
from
their
substantive
duties
to
help
with
level
five
visits,
escorting
heads
of
state
around
or
helping
out
with
some
of
our
protests.
So,
given
that
situation,
I
agree
to
counselor
that
we
need
to
be
very
strategic
with
the
resources
that
we
do
have
and
what
they
are
and
what
they
are
doing
and
and
your
words
the
low-hanging
fruit
on
a
a
rural
flat
straight
road.
C
But
I
I
do
agree
that
we
do
need
to
tweak.
We
do
need
to
change
how
some
of
how
we
do
business
there
and
I
know
Paul,
along
with
superintendent
Bryden,
who
runs
the
nrts
we'll
be
looking
at
and
it'll,
be
part
of
our
strategic
planning
with
the
board
as
well,
too
is
how
do
we
Define
what
the
priorities
are
in
Vanier
versus
Central
Town
versus
kind
of
at
it?
Etc-
and
that
obviously
is
going
to
change
and
make
sure
that
we
we
come
to
down.
C
We
use
the
the
counselors
as
those
facilitators
and
that
that
guide
it
The
Guiding
in
the
ward
of.
Are
we
talking
to
the
right
people
based
on
who
we
know
based
on
who
you
know?
Did
we
nail
that
in
terms
of
what
we
think
we
know
and
and
then
apply
those
priorities
to
their
work
and
then,
of
course,
have
those
measures
of
what
we
did
or
didn't
do
and
if
we
didn't
do,
why
is
that
or
or
what?
What
was
the
problem
there?
C
R
You
know
that
that
sort
of
will
lay
the
foundation
for
any
outcome,
evaluation
that
we
can
expect
and,
and
essentially
what
that
will
do
will
help
us
in
exactly
what
you're
talking
we're
looking
at
working
with
neighborhoods
developing
a
strategy.
What
do
they
want
to
see
of
their
nrts
building,
that
out
meeting
those
mandates
and
and
being
able
to
measure
that,
whether
that's
a
six
month
or
a
one
year
period
and
Reporting
back
to
those
communities
and
to
the
to
the
board
around
the
successes?
R
Are
we
doing
exactly
what
that
Community
wants
us
to
do
so?
I?
Would
say,
look
forward
to
that
and
in
terms
of
your
your
Point
around
cpos
meeting
with
you,
you
know
that's
something
that
we
can
certainly
work
with
and
make
sure
that
those
are
regular
contacts
that
are
made
with
you.
I
know
that
they
do
often
reach
out
to
the
various
counselors.
A
I
would
just
like
to
add
that
the
word
communication
came
up
quite
a
bit
and
perhaps
there's
a
way
that
we
can
develop
a
communication
strategy
to
ensure
that
we
are
reaching
out
and
we
we
have
these
touch
points
where
you
know
not
just
once
every
12
months
kind
of
thing
that
there's
something
that
it
reoccurs,
maybe
three
four
times
a
year
to
make
sure
that
we
are
delivering
and
we
are
keeping
the
dialogue
going
with
with
the
communities
and
the
different
Ward
counselors
all
right.
Okay,
thanks
very
much.
Thank
you!
Councilor
Brockington!
A
A
All
right,
I
was
going
to
say
that
overall
I
believe
that
this
budget
and
its
rationale
certainly
are
taking
us
into
the
right
direction.
Chief
I
think
with
the
new
health
safety
measures
both
for
our
community
and
our
members
is
clearly
indicated
as
well
as
investments
in
technology
and
your
Greening
initiatives.
A
So
I
commend
you
on
that.
So
my
questions
are
the
following.
In
light
of
some
of
the
auditor
General's
recommendations,
I
can
see
some
new
budget
needs
arising
for
the
board
this
year
that
weren't
necessarily
accounted
for
in
the
budget.
Estimates
I'd
like
to
know
what
sort
of
flexibility
we
have
if
the
Board
needs
to
increase
funding
in
one
or
more
of
its
accounts,
for
example,
we're
running
a
recruitment
process
for
two
deputies
this
year
and
over
60
percent
of
our
Professional
Services
budget
will
be
spent
on
this
expense
alone.
E
We
have
another
budgeting
process
coming
up
in
the
very
near
future,
so
we
can
always
look
to
address
the
amount
of
funding
that
would
be
allocated
from
a
base
perspective
to
the
board
at
in
in
next
year's
budget.
That
being
said,
there's
always
flexibility
and
we're
absolutely
100
percent
here
to
support
the
board.
E
So
if
we
have
in-ear
pressures,
if
there's
in
your
needs,
we'll
find
Funding
Solutions
to
be
able
to
manage
manage
those
through
the
year
and
look
at
building
that
up
for
a
case
to
look
at
what
sort
of
increased
funding
we
would
need
year
over
year
from
a
base
perspective.
So
as
the
needs
arise,
make
us
aware
financially
will
work
to
to
manage
them
and
make
sure
you
have
the
support
you
need
from
the
service.
A
Okay,
because
definitely
this
year,
we're
going
to
Undertake
from
a
human
resources
standpoint
we're
going
to
be
working
with
the
HR
Committee
in
looking
at
what
the
needs
of
our
boards
are
to
fulfill
the
recommendations,
and
these
are
promises
that
we
have
made
to
the
AG
for
this
year.
So
definitely
we
can
have
a
discussion
further,
perhaps
at
our
next
HR
committee
with
you
on
this
subject
matter.
B
I
know
that
takes
resources.
Hence
that's
going
to
come
to
one
of
my
questions,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
for
how
smoothly
that
went.
People
were
very
pleased
with
that.
I
heard
that
from
a
number
of
people,
I'm
also
very
pleased
about
how
much
consultation
is
going
on.
I
know
people.
Some
people
believe
that
you
know
we're
not
getting
all
that
we
can,
but
we
certainly
make
an
effort.
B
B
My
first
question,
though,
is
about
efficiencies,
and
you
know
we
I
was
on
the
radio
the
other
morning
explaining
there's
a
working
group
at
the
city
that
will
do
sort
of
a
combination
of
what
the
mayor
had
wanted,
a
line
by
line
review
of
the
budget
and
what
councilor
Brown
had
wanted
in
programs
and
Services
review.
So
how?
How
can
we
be
more
efficient
at
the
same
time?
B
There's
what
Mayors
I
don't
think
we
have
an
official
name
for
it,
but
the
mayor's
Innovation
and
Technology
table,
which
will
be
the
opportunity
for
the
companies
from
our
special
economic
District.
There's
540
tech
companies
out
in
Canada
invest
Ottawa
Hydro
Ottawa
the
two
universities,
our
two
colleges
to
come
and
help
the
city
solve
some
of
its
problems,
so
it's
taking
shape
in
that
it
may
be.
The
city
comes
to
the
to
the
table
and
says
here's
one
of
our
problems.
B
What
does
all
the
brain
power
in
Ottawa
think
about
that?
Maybe
from
a
technology
standpoint,
but
maybe
from
others
other
standpoints.
So
my
general
question
is
given
all
that
will
be
going
on
for
the
between
now
and
the
2024
budget.
What
do
you
think
the
police
involvement
will
be
in
that
efficiencies
review
process
either
involved
in
it
or
at
the
same
time,
in
tandem
with
their
own
budget?
I'm,
just
wondering
what
your
thoughts
are
about
that
right
now.
C
Foreign,
thank
you,
member
curry,
in
regards
to
active
participation
in
the
review,
certainly
when,
when
we're
approached
by
the
city
as
part
of
that
review,
we
will
participate
in
it.
I
will
hand
off
to
to
Deputy
Bell
to
to
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
know
internally
in
terms
of
the
efficiency
efforts
here
of
what
we're
trying
to
do.
C
We,
we
have
embarked
on
a
lot
of
different
projects
prior
to
me
getting
here
and
as
it's
continuing
into
into
this
coming
year,
you
know
we
are
looking
at
and
actually
one
of
the
delegates
you
know
talked
about
how
expensive
you
know.
Police
officers
are,
and
they
are,
they
are
expensive,
we're
we
are
looking
at.
C
What
can
we
civilianize
into
a
civilian
member
instead
of
a
sworn
member
in
some
of
our
roles
and
we've
We've
looked
at
that
already,
you
know
at
the
front
desk
we're
looking
at
other
options
that
that
we
could
consider
do
we
really
need
a
fully
trained
police
officer
doing
you
know
these
roles,
we
have
special
constables.
We
have
civilianized
members
as
well
that
we're
looking
at.
C
We
also
look
at
you
know
when
we
have
x
goal
or
project
that
we
need
do
we
have.
Does
it
need
to
be
a
police
officer
to
do
that,
and
can
we
Outsource?
Can
we
get
a
consultant?
Can
we
get?
Can
we
Outsource
it?
So
it's
only
a
two
or
three
month
push
that
that
we
can
attach
to
that
one
person
instead
of
it
being
a
police
officer,
and
then
there
is,
of
course
those
service
reductions
as
well
too.
C
E
E
Things
I
will
say,
is:
we've
done
considerable
number
of
efficiency
reviews
over
the
past
number
of
years
that
have
looked
at
our
back
office
supports
that
have
looked
at
making
sure
our
line
by
line
and
costing
is
actually
as
close
to
the
actuals
that
we
have
year
over
year
to
make
sure
that
our
Fleet
is
as
tightly
aligned
as
possible.
That
actually
gives
us
the
ability
to
start
in
this
service
review
to
look
at
the
actual
Services.
We're
delivering,
as
you
saw,
83
percent
of
our
budget
is
compensation.
E
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
spending
those
in
absolutely
the
best
way
we
can.
So
this
service
will
review
will,
as
the
chief
indicated,
look
at
identifying
services
within
this
within
the
the
Ops
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
people
doing
those
jobs.
So
the
chief
talked
about
many
of
the
mechanisms
that
we'll
look
at,
but
we're
actually
truly
going
to
be
taking
a
look
at
all
of
the
different
Service
delivery
options.
E
B
Right,
that's
excellent.
I
would
just
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
you're.
You
know
you'll
be
open
to
whatever,
but
the
some
of
the
conversations
that
may
come
out
of
the
Innovation
and
Technology
table
May
focus
on
Smart
cities,
so
I
just
would
you
know
I
would
definitely
police
need
to
be
there
listening
and
then
giving
input
as
to
what
that
really
means
and
how
that
would
affect
your
life
to
change
things
like
that,
the
other
just
the
technology.
B
You
know,
one
of
the
significant
parts
of
this
budget
is
about
our
our
upgrading
technology,
and
you
know
what
that
looks
like
all
over
the
world
because
some
of
those
companies
in
the
tech
Park
they
are
working
with
Services
all
over
the
world.
You
know,
obviously,
all
over
Ontario
and
Canada,
but
all
over
the
world.
So
I
just
think.
There's
a
lot
of
you
know
untapped
knowledge
out
there
that
hopefully,
will
be
able
to
get
at
in
a
lot
of
our
conversations
over
the
next
year.
So
that
was
one
of
my
questions.
B
The
other
one
was
the
the
you
heard
from
the
delegations
about
the
proportion
of
the
city
budget
and
the
concept
that
our
budget
is
going
down.
You
know
we
heard
from
councilor
Brockington
so
and
we
had
that
discussion
about
not
enough
officers
in
our
and
in
our
nrps.
So
the
city's
budget
increases
because
we
have
more
property
taxpayers.
We
have
more
property
taxpayers,
because
we
have
more
neighborhoods,
more
roads,
more
extension
of
the
urban
boundary
that
you
know.
B
In
their
official
plan,
we
asked
for
a
small
extension
of
the
urban
boundary
The
Province
added
in
you
know,
hundreds
of
hectares.
That
is
a
lot
for
a
city,
and
yet
our
Police
Services
budget,
as
a
percentage
of
the
city
budget,
goes
down.
So
you
can
look
at
one
Stat
or
another.
But
fundamentally
our
Police
Services
budget
is
not
keeping
up
with
the
growth
of
the
city
and
when
I'm
listening
to
people
outside
the
city,
core
say
you
know
our
response
times.
B
We
call
the
police
and
someone
well
fire
I,
don't
mean
to
just
point
out
police,
but
fire
ambulance.
Please
don't
arrive
for
30
minutes.
You
know
what
I
hear
is.
That's
not
acceptable
and
as
our
city
grows
geographically,
it's
already
enough
for
five
police
forces.
Why
would
our
budget
be
decreasing
year
after
year?
So
I
just
wondered
about
an
overall
comment
on
that,
because
we
had
a
number
of
delegations
that
highlighted
that,
but
it's
confusing
for
people.
D
C
D
C
Remember,
Curry,
you
know
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to.
You
know,
send
a
message
that
our
budget
is
decreasing
because
of
course,
I.
Don't
I,
don't
believe
anybody
is
saying
that
it's
simply
because
I
mean
it
is
we're
going
we're
we're
trying
to
get
5.2
million
dollars
more
of
an
increase,
but
it
is
again
that
overall,
that
overall
budget
a
percentage
of
budget
of
the
of
the
overall
City
budget
I,
you
know
the
demands
of
what
I've
seen.
C
You
know
in
my
short
time
and
I
made
a
number
of
comments
at
I
believe
it
was
the
January
board
meeting
just
some
of
my
observations
and
and
I
I
do
just
see.
You
know
that
population
growth
that-
and
you
know
it
talks
to
sort
of
that
rationale
for
the
the
health
facility
to
go
as
well
too.
We
are
growing
it's
a
growing
community
and
we
have
to
grow
with
it
as
well
too,
and
it
appears
to
me
that
we
haven't
in
in
recent
years
kept
pace
and
now
we're
trying
to
catch
up.
C
We
had
one
year
where
we
didn't
grow
at
all
and
there
was
a
budget
freeze
and-
and
that
takes
a
long
time
for
us
to
sort
of
make
up
some
of
that
time.
But
you
know
when
I
look
on
those
demands.
You
know
and
again
it's
cyber
crime,
it's
Road
Safety,
it's
hate
crimes,
it's
violence
against
women
and
and
again
a
number
of
our
counselors
who
want
more
presence
and
proactive
and
again
I
talk
about
that
proactive
work
from
our
neighborhood
resource
teams
and
our
Frontline
members.
C
That's
what
builds
up
relationships
is
when
you
have
these
members
that
aren't
going
from
call
to
call,
and-
and
you
know
of
course,
you
know
that
that
sort
of
that
anchor
that
kind
of
brings
down
a
lot
of
that
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
those
major
events
and
those
protests
that
we
have
to
manage
and
it
and
that's
not
that's
not
decreasing,
that's
not
going
away.
So
we
need
to.
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
try
to
manage
that
big
chunk
of
work
that
we
have
to
that.
C
We
have
to
do
day
in
and
day
out
and
but
at
the
same
time
we
really
need
to
deliver
for
those
that
that
vast
geographic
area
and
and
the
so
many
differences
in
all
these
different
neighborhoods
that
we
have
in
Ottawa.
It
really
is,
and
that's
why
that
neighborhood
resource
team
is
so
important,
because
what
is
a
priority
in
one
neighborhood,
a
kilometer
to
the
east,
west,
south
or
north,
can
be
completely
different
and
we
need
to
be
responsive
for
that.
So
to
do
that,
we
do
we
just
need.
C
We
need
that
ability.
We
need
that
investment
to
keep
Pace
with
with
all
that
and
and
just
to
maybe
just
comment
briefly
on
the
Innovation
and
the
I.T
side.
You
do
you
want
to
be
a
police
force.
We
want
to
have
a
service
that
is,
that
is
keeping
up
with
technology.
That
is,
that
has,
and
it
can't
be
the
latest
and
greatest
of
every
toy
because
that's
impossible
to
keep
up
with.
C
But
you
know
we
have
that
modernization
roadmap
that
had
a
significant
dollar
value
attached
to
it,
to
try
to
get
us
to
that
level
where
we're
very
competitive.
If
you
will,
with
some
of
the
other
police
agencies
like
York
and
peel,
that
that
that
have
invested
a
lot
of
money
and
I'm,
not
criticizing
the
decision
to
stop
that
when
it
did
the
reasons
they're
in
were
made,
but
that
that
was
three
years
ago
that
it
was
stopped
and
we
just
need
to
now
pick
up.
E
This
year
we
have
we've
actually
focused
in
on
our
digital
information
and
evidence
management
system,
a
review
and
augmentation
of
our
cyber
security
programming,
as
well
as
our
data
analytics,
and
that's
really
where
our
Focus
will
be
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
represented
in
this
budget.
But,
as
the
chief
said,
that's
the
first
step
in
what
needs
to
be
a
multi-year
plan.
I'm
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
about
your
interest
member
Curry
around
the
Innovation
work,
that's
being
done
within
the
city.
E
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
one
more
question
before
and
I'll
just
let
everybody
else
go
after
me,
just
one
other
thing,
I
want
to
ask
so
and
I
went
over
this
within
my
in
my
individual
award
meeting
the
if
the
police
services
budget
goes
over,
the
city
has
to
pay
for
it,
anyways
right
so,
but
it's
always
been
the
case
that
the
the
police
work
very
hard
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
happen,
but
I
guess
I
want
to
know
as
a
board
member.
E
D
C
What
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
communication
is
being
very
transparent.
There's
always
some
delays
in
terms
of
what
we've
spent,
but
there's
a
lot
of
controllable
things
that
we
can
that
we
go
through
every
year,
salaries
and
whatnot,
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
uncontrollables
in
terms
of
serious
events
that
might
occur.
C
We're
on
homicide
number
three,
unfortunately,
already
as
I
mentioned
this
year,
those
are
very
costly
and,
depending
on
how
those
investigations
go,
they
can
be
wrapped
up
within
a
month
or
two
or
some
of
them
can
be
multi-month
or
multi-year.
I
use
that
just
as
a
small
example
of
some
of
the
uncontrollable
environment
that
we
that
we
do
live
in
and.
E
This
is
an
anomaly
year
for
us
because
we're
already
halfway
through
q1
and
still
in
the
deliberations
around
the
budget
and
I
think
a
great
example
is
chair,
Valley
case
question,
because
that's
immediately
a
pressure
that
we
need
to
actually
start
to
examine
on
our
existing
budget.
So
we've
done
over
the
last
10
years.
Six
years,
we've
actually
come
in
on
on
budget
or
moderately
moderate
Surplus,
never
a
large
Surplus,
but
a
moderate
Surplus.
In
four
years.
We've
actually
hit
a
deficit
where
we
go
to
the
city.
E
Let
them
know
that
we
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
make
our
year
end
and
they
they
provide
us
from
Reserve
funding
the
difference
within
our
budget.
We
work
very
very
hard
through
the
year
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
to
go
at
the
end
of
the
year
to
the
city
to
for
them
to
cover
a
deficit,
and
we
work
with
them
on
an
ongoing
basis.
E
Govern
the
governance
around
the
budget
and
financial
reporting
to
this
board
is
something
I'm
very
happy
to
have
a
discussion
about
to
make
sure
that
we're
hitting
the
reporting
cycle,
providing
the
information
and
metrics
that
this
board
is
looking
for.
So
they
can
evaluate
where
we
are
on
target
towards
our
budget.
P
Hi,
thank
you,
of
course,
I'm
not
on
this.
This
committee,
but
I
did
just
have
a
couple
questions
and
I
apologize
if
they've
been
asked
recently
as
a
new
member
I
was
interested
in
the
the
discussion
and
the
question
that
came
from
one
of
the
delegates
with
respect
to
well,
it
came
as
a
result
of
one
of
the
delegates
with
respect
to
advocating
to
the
province
with
respect,
to
paid
suspension.
P
One
of
the
things
that
I
often
hear
and-
and
we
hear
a
lot
about-
is
that
the
police
directing
traffic
a
lot
of
resources
are
spent
directing
traffic
and
it's
my
understanding
that
those
responsibilities
fall
under
the
highway
traffic
act
and
include
things
such
as
you
know.
Santa
Claus,
parades
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
Ops
has
done
any
advocacy
to
the
province
to
change
that
legislation
or
get
anything
of
that
sort.
Change.
That's
my
first
question.
C
C
E
E
It's
made
any
sort
of
substantive
Traction
in
terms
of
having
that
legislation
opened
up
and
and
amended.
That's
something
we
continue
to
have
discussions.
The
chief
has
discussions
with
oacp
Ontario
association's
a
chief
police
around
to
look
at
how
we
can
further
that
area
as
further
that
legislative
change.
What
I
will
say,
though,
is
what
you're
speaking
to
is
is
exactly
what
I'm
what
I
was
discussing
in
that
service
review.
We
need
to
even
even
around
the
legislative
bounds
that
exist.
E
There
are
areas
that
we
can
look
at
providing
different
services
and
that's
where
we're
committed
to
actually
taking
a
look
and
providing
those
more
efficient
services
in
areas
like
traffic
control
that
may
fall
outside
of
the
legislation
in
areas
like
scene
management.
So
we
are
going
to
look
at
that.
While
we
continue
to
Lobby
to
have
those
legislation
change
because
I.
D
E
P
P
This
was,
of
course,
received
project
and
expenditure
Authority,
and
then
it
was
frozen,
and
recently
the
board
approved
for
the
facility
strategy
refresh
to
go
ahead
and
and
question
that
I
have
you
know
you
talk
a
lot
about
modernization,
I
know
we're
losing
the
the
lead
trim
and
the
green
Bank
facility,
but
questions
about
whether
or
not
you
know
the
need
for
police
services
with
respect
to
facilities.
There
was
a
suggestion
that
came
up
in
a
discussion.
I
was
recently
involved
with
other
counselors
where
it
was
asked.
P
E
E
E
If
you
look
at
any
future
projection
maps
of
where
the
city
is
going
to
grow
the
most,
it
is
in
that
South
area,
we've
selected
South
to
be
able
to
best
align
the
resources
with
the
equipment
that
they'll
need
to
be
able
to
deliver
the
service,
and
it
is
not
it's
not
our
current
practice
or
intended
practice
to
ever.
Have
our
members
take
Market
police
vehicles
to
their
residents
and
I'll
store
all
their
equipment
there
to
then
deploy
from
that
location?
That's
not
the
service
model.
E
A
A
E
D
E
D
E
Discovered
scrubbed
through
based
on
actuals
I
I,
don't
have
in
front
of
me
right
now
is
the
exact
accounts
that
they're
coming
from,
but
those
reviews
identified
that
we
could
find
those
500,
500
500
000
in
efficiencies
and
reinvest
them
into
internal
ftes.
So
I
will
get
people
for
all
accounts
that
they're
coming
from
and
provide
them
to
you.
But
it's
based
on
a
line
by
line
review.
Okay,.
A
E
E
So,
as
part
of
as
part
of
that
review
that
we've
had
we've
found
internal
Financial
efficiencies
that
are
better
going
to
be
more
efficiently
invested
into
those
positions.
That's
why
you're
seeing
an
FTE
growth
of
29,
whereas
the
budgeted
amount
we
need
to
grow
by
only
needs
to
com
cover
those
25
positions.
A
E
A
A
And
my
last
question
is
on
page
28
in
the
second
paragraph,
where
we
talk
about
the
safe
workplace
office
that
opened
in
October
2022,
which
I
commend
you
on
that
I
think
that's
one
of
the
best
initiatives
that
has
come
out
last
year.
You
have
two
investigators
and
one
administrator
right
now
and
in
2023
you're,
looking
at
hiring
a
mediation,
adding
a
mediation
position,
plus
a
psychologist
as
I
say,
commendable
initiative.
I
look
forward
to
its
progress.
E
Hey
thank
you.
They
report
to
you
so
actually,
where
you'll
find
so
a
program,
as
the
chief
said
many
many
times
the
program
we're
very
proud
of
having
implemented,
we
look
forward
to
further
briefing
the
board
on
the
work
we're
doing
around
that
I
think
that's.
It
comes
at
a
really
timely
and
necessary
point
right
now
in
terms
of
the
budget.
The
the
safe
workplace
office
actually
reports
directly
through
to
the
chief,
so
the
budget
any
budget
allocated
to
that
comes
out
of
and
is
captured
in
the
office
of
the
chief.
B
You
just
a
couple
of
other
questions
in
the
budget.
We
see
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
new
investments
in
cyber
crime,
affirming
our
commitment
to
address
violence
against
women
and
femicide
and
prioritizing
relationships
with
indigenous
communities.
At
the
same
time,
we
have
a
comment
in
the
budget
that
we
lost
6
million
or
600
000
from
taking
away
the
user
fees
right.
So
we
made
that
decision
as
a
board.
As
you
will.
Some
of
you
will
recall
so
you
kind
of
see
that
offset.
B
Had
we
not
done
that
we
wouldn't
need
to
have
new
money
to
work
on
some
of
our
high
priority
initiatives,
but
that's
what
we
decided
we
wanted
volunteers
to
be
able
to.
You,
know,
get
their
police
checks
done
and
not
have
to
pay,
and
this
was
critical.
So
but
I
guess
my
question
is
like
cities,
we
only
have
so
many
ways
of
bringing
in
money
right
and
one
of
them
is
user
fees.
B
Is
there?
Are
there
any
discussions?
I
guess
that
will
be
coming
up
as
to
where
else
we
could.
You
know
charge
somebody
money
for
a
fee.
I
mean
the
city's
always
looking
at
that
right,
whether
it's
for
a
dog
tag
or
some
amount
of
money
that
you
know
a
little
bit
from
everybody
increases
our
revenues.
So
I
wonder
if
that's
coming
up
at
all,
we'll
see
that
I
mean
this
translates
into
17
on
on
everyone's
tax
bill.
That's
everyone
all
property
taxpayers,
but
for
the
user
fee
group
of
of
bringing
in
res
revenues.
C
I'm,
not
you
know,
I
haven't
put
my
mind
to
that
member
curry
in
terms
of
where
we
could
generate
more
Revenue,
there's
always
been
in
my
head,
those
sort
of
obvious
paths-
and
you
mentioned
one
of
you-
know-
of
the
criminal
record
checks
and
whatnot
I
I
personally
haven't
looked
at
a
lot
of
revenue
streams.
I
know
there
are
a
few
I,
don't
know
if
our
CFO,
Hollis
or
Deputy
Bell
want
to
weigh
into
any
other
ideas
there.
E
Greatly
explored
something
we'd
have
discussion
on
I.
Think
that
it's
important
to
realize,
though,
as
a
Police
Service
we're
not
allowed
to
generate
Revenue,
we
can
actually
generate
cost
recovery
on
services
that
we
provide,
so
we
can't
go
into
a
stream
of
business
just
for
the
purposes
of
making
money.
It
has
to
be
reflected
on
a
cost
recovery
basis.
E
There
are
other
areas
that
that
we
could
look
at
charging
fees.
It's
just
not
an
area
that
we've
actually
really
explored
because
pass
boards
haven't
had
a
huge
appetite
for
that,
but
it
is
a
if
it's
something
the
board
wanted
us
to
explore
and
bring
back
to
them.
It
is
something
we
could
absolutely
undertake.
C
I
I
might
mention,
oh
sorry,
I,
sorry
to
cut
you
off.
America
I
might
mention
that
I
I
did
ask
about.
You
know
when
we
contract
our
our
members
out
for
these
paid
duties.
I
did
pose
the
question
of
for
argument's
sake.
If
we
charge
a
hundred
dollars
an
hour,
could
we
charge
150
and
just
to
you
know,
make
some
Pro
more
profit
on
this,
but
it
is
legislated
in
terms
of
what
we
can
charge
in
terms
of.
We
just
can't
make
money
we're
not
a
for-profit,
so
we
can.
C
B
Great
well,
that's
good,
because
I
mean
cost.
Recovery
is
cost
recovery
right
so
I
mean
we'll
have
to
look
at
what
that
actually
means,
and
what
are
our
costs
for
some
of
the
things
that
we
do
that
are
over
and
above
what
is?
You
know
legislated
anyway,
something
to
talk
about
in
future.
I
think
the
other
last
question
I
have
is
really
on
this
alternate
response.
B
A
number
of
us
sat
and
listened
to
the
amazing
people
on
The
Guiding
Council
talk
about
all
that
they're
trying
to
do,
and
you
know
again,
I
get
a
number
of
emails
from
from
all
kinds
of
different
people
about.
You
know
the
need
for
an
alternate
response
and
I
I
say
in
every
response.
You
have
to
appreciate
that
the
police
agree,
you
know
like
the
police
and
the
Police
Services
Board
agree.
There
needs
to
be
an
alternate
response,
nobody's
arguing
here
about
that.
B
It's
about
who
pays
for
it,
and
so
my
understanding
is
that
the
Toronto
City
Council
pays
for
their
entire
pilot
project
and
Alternate
response.
It's
not
that
it's
coming
from
another
First
Responders
budget,
like
that.
That's
I
think
what
the
disconnect
is
here
and
I
think
if
everyone,
you
know
spent
more
time
on
that
City
councilors
included
that
if
it
is
that
other
City
councils
are
paying
for
this
work
and
this
alternate
response
and
Alternate
training
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
Why
isn't
city,
council
and
I?
Don't
expect
you
to
just
answer
that?
C
Thank
you
Madam
chair
and
member
Curry
for
that
question
and
and
I'll
just
restate
what
you
stated
at
the
beginning
is
that
we
are
very
supportive
of
looking
for
another
structure.
Another
service
delivery
model
where
we
can
send
those
that
are
better
trained
to
mental
health
calls
could
be
a
check
of
well-being
depending
on
the
situation.
So
full
stop
no
debate
on
that.
C
But
again
there
has
to
be
a
proper
structure
and
model
in
place
and
and
again
on
a
side.
Note
there
as
well.
There
are
always
going
to
be
those
types
of
calls
where
there's
no
doubt
we
have
to
be
involved
based
on
the
risk,
and
we
just
can't
send
a
civilian
in
by
themselves,
but
you're,
absolutely
right
that
I
I
I
tell
you
I
watched
and
read
as
much
as
I
could
and
I
do
have
intentions
of
getting
more.
We
will
get
more
details
like
in
the
weeds
of
what's
going
on
in
in
Toronto.
C
I
was
very
surprised,
very
surprised
at
the
78
percent
deferral
rate
that
they
achieved
during
their
pilot.
That
is
a
lot
higher
number
than
I
envisioned.
So
it
was
a
pleasant
surprise.
For
me,
honestly,
if
we
got
to
50,
you
know
without,
but
I
I
would
say
that
would
be
very
good
going
higher
than
that
is
is
again
something
that
we're
very
supportive
of
I.
C
That's
been
done
over
the
the
last
couple
years,
The
Guiding,
Council,
being
a
big
part
of
that,
but
I
sense,
more
urgencies
may
be
needed,
and
that
comes
with
a
group
effort
and
I'm.
Not
blaming
anybody,
because
we're
in
that
we're
in
that
group
as
well
too.
That
needs
to
to
focus
on
this
and
and
just
I,
just
don't
see
an
imminent
path
being
established
in
2023,
for
example.
So
we
are
actually
looking
at
we.
C
We
went
down
this
path,
but
then
because
this
was
coming
of
hiring
a
mental
health
service
worker
and
then
putting
them
into
our
dispatch,
Communication
Center
that
can
assist
when
we
get
these
calls
for
service,
and
we
can
have
a
mental
health
worker
speak
to
a
complainant
or
someone
that's
going
through
a
crisis
right
away,
better
assess
and
triage
what
might
be
needed
for
that
person.
We're
just
looking
at
doing
that
as
a
gap
until
something
more
is
established
and
maybe
it'll
continue.
B
Great
all
great
I
just
will
end
with
this
and
that
you
know
there's
a
comment
made
by
one
of
the
presenters
about
our
own
psychological
support
staff.
For
you
know,
that's
in
our
budget
and
I
guess
I
would
say:
I'm
actually
worried
that
we
don't
have
enough
for
our
officers.
There
are
people
who
are
answering
9-1-1
calls
who
have
to
go
through
some
of
the
trauma
with
the
people
who
are
calling
and
those
people
need
supports
as
well
and
I
I
feel,
like
any
kind
of
criticism
of
the
police
force.
B
I
A
Right
well,
I
will
now
ask
that
the
finance
and
audit
committee
received
the
presentation
and
delegations
for
information
and
consideration.
Is
the
item
received
received?
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
any
other
business
none
our
next
committee
meeting
date
is
to
be
determined.
Can
I
please
have
a
motion
for
adjournment
so
moved.
Thank
you
very
much.
Let
that
do
not
questions.