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Planning Committee - October 27, 2022
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A
A
C
D
G
I
A
Thank
you,
Kelly
and
Scott
is
just
running
a
bit
late
as
well,
but
we'll
be
joining
us
soon.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
in
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
4.1
to
4.18
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
an
oral
submission
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted,
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
A
C
A
You,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
through
each
of
the
items
on
the
agenda.
It's
a
long
agenda,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
a
consent
agenda.
If
there's
any
items
with
delegations,
we
will
hold
them
and
if
there
are
any
requests
from
from
counselors
to
hold
the
item
for
questions
for
staff
or
for
the
applicants,
we
can
hold
them
as
well.
So
we'll
start
through
item
number.
4.1
is
an
official
plan
Amendment
and
Zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
665
Albert,
Street
and
Somerset
Ward.
There
are
no
public
delegations.
A
A
A
K
A
A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
on
the
report.
Recommendations
for
this
item
are
They
Carried
carried
carried.
Thank
you.
Okay,
4.4
of
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
817
Roseview
Avenue
in
bayward.
There
are
no
delegations
listed.
However,
the
applicants
are
here.
Are
there
any
requests
from
counselors
to
hold
this
item?
A
A
A
Item
number
4.6
is
a
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
951
Gladstone
Avenue
and
145
Loretta
Avenue
North.
We
will
also
hold
this
item.
There
are
no
delegate.
Actually,
there
are
two
delegations,
so
we
will
hold
this
this
item
and
there's
some
additional
discussion
around
a
a
holding
condition.
So
we
will
hold
4.6.
A
A
P
A
A
Q
A
S
A
A
N
N
I
do
have
concerns
about
site
plan
that
staff
are
still
working
through,
but
I'll
read
this
out
to
sort
of
provide
context,
and
we
can
see
if
anyone
has
questions
so,
whereas
the
war
counselor's
comments
were
inadvertently
emitted
from
the
report
on
this
item,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
comments
by
the
ward
counselor
section
of
the
report
be
replaced
with
the
following
text.
The
location
of
this
development
on
the
corner
of
Brian,
Coburn
and
10th
Line
Road,
raises
serious
concerns
relative
to
traffic
volume,
while
traffic
impacts
our
site
plan
control
issue.
N
N
First
I
want
to
commend
the
applicant
for
retaining
the
commercial
component
of
the
mixed-use
Zone
in
the
current
housing
market
and
given
the
devastating
impact
of
the
pandemic
and
online
retail
on
local
businesses,
there
is
a
trend
towards
turning
mixed-use
zones
into
residential
developments.
Mixed
youth
zones
are
meant
to
Foster,
dense,
walkable
communities.
The
city
has
limited
tools
to
encourage
commercial
development
and
we
rely
on
applicants
and
businesses
to
pursue
the
city's
vision
for
walkable
neighborhoods
efforts
by
the
development
industry
to
protect
commercial,
walk,
commercial
areas
and
mixed
use
zones
should
be
noted.
N
The
inclusion
of
a
linear
Park
to
provide
a
buffer
to
existing
residential
is
also
appreciated.
The
development
with
this
proximity
to
existing
Transit
schools
and
groceries,
May
appeal
to
people
who
wish
to
be
less
dependent
on
their
car,
but
with
380
parking
spaces.
We
can
hardly
argue
that
this
walkable
development
will
get
people
out
of
their
cars
in
South
Orleans.
We
still
need
to
build
car
centered
communities,
because
the
location
of
the
planned
arterial,
Road
and
bus
Rapid,
Transit
Corridor
meant
to
serve
the
area
is
not
supported
by
the
NCC.
N
So
far,
the
cities
approach
has
been
to
wait
for
a
change
of
heart
at
the
NCC,
while
South
Orleans
residents
face
long
commutes,
limited,
Transit
and
truncated,
active
Transportation
links,
we
continue
to
approve
development
and
collect
development
charges
to
fund
this
crucial
Transportation
project
with
no
clear
execution
plan.
The
argument
that
we
cannot
stop
development
because
we
need
the
development
charges
to
fund
road
construction
does
not
apply
in
the
case
of
South
Orleans
development
charges
may
be
collected,
but
the
money
has
nowhere
to
go.
N
A
C
A
Thank
you.
4.12
is
zoning
by
law
Amendment
for
1211
Old,
Montreal
Road.
Also
in
Cumberland
Ward.
There
are
no
public
delegations
registered.
We
have
several
representatives
of
the
applicants:
Peter
Hume
Greg,
Winters,
Robert,
Tran
and
Mike
Green.
Are
there
any
requests
from
counselors
to
hold
this
item?
A
E
A
E
Mr
chair
no
I
do
not
wish
to
hold
it.
I
just
want
to
apologize
that
my
comments
are
by
my
own
error
are
not
in
in
the
report
I'm
supportive
of
the
application.
It
is
just
east
of
the
via
train
station
ideal
for
Intercity
and
Intercity
commuters,
adjacent
to
bicycle
paths
and
arterial
roads
in
the
417
I
am
supportive
of
the
application.
I
just
wanted
my
colleagues
to
know
that.
A
A
A
X
A
W
W
A
L
A
Buried.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Item
number
4.16
is
a
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
56
Capilano
drive.
We
do
have
delegations
registered,
so
we
will
hold
item
4.16
item
4.17
as
a
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
25
Fair,
Oaks
Crescent
and
we
do
have
a
public
delegation
registered.
So
we
will
hold
this
item
item
4.18
as
a
zoning
bile
Amendment
for
part
of
one
and
seven
Cheryl
Road
and
part
of
five
Majestic
Drive.
This
is
a
staff
initiated
zoning
by
La
Amendment.
There
is
a
technical
motion
on
this.
A
Y
Right,
it's
the
only
reason.
I
came
today,
whereas
report
ACS,
2022
pie,
edp0032,
recommends
that
development
be
prohibited
to
protect
lands
needed
to
accommodate
the
barkhaven
light
rail
trans
Corridor
and
whereas
discussions
between
the
city
and
the
landowner
further
refined
the
location
of
the
lands
which
need
to
be
protected
from
developments
and
clarified,
what
development
should
be
prohibited,
therefore
be
resolved.
Y
A
P
A
J
A
For
sure,
we'll
hold
4.19
staff
of
that
presentation
that
they
can
give
as
well
item
number
5.1
is
a
2022
Amendment
for
the
village
of
manateec
area,
specific
development
charges
background
study.
This
was
also
at
Iraq
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
committee
on
September
29th,
where
it
was
carried.
Are
there
any
requests
to
hold
this
item
for
discussion?
5.1?
W
A
A
R
A
Yep
absolutely
thank
you
Council
Brockington,
okay,
so
we
will
go
back
now
to
items
that
we
held
and
we'll
go
in
in
order.
So
going
back.
The
first
held
item
was
number
4.5.
This
was
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
2006
2020
in
2026,
Scott
Street
and
314
318
athlone
Avenue.
This
is
in
kitchen
sippy
Ward.
A
A
Z
A
Z
This
is
the
location
now
the
subject
site
is
at
the
corner
of
Scott
Street
and
athlone
Avenue
in
proximity
to
the
Future
Westborough
otrade
station,
and
currently
the
site
is
occupied
by
the
Granite
Curling
Club,
a
two
single
story,
commercial
units
and
assuming
detached
growing
and
semi-detached
going
next
slide
from
left
to
right.
These
views
are
from
Lauren
the
Scott
Street
and
AppleOne
Avenue
intersection,
two
from
Scott
Street,
looking
East
three
from
athlone
Avenue,
looking
North
forward
from
the
site,
looking
North
five
from
Ashton
Street
living,
East
and
sixth
from
Laurens
Park.
Z
Excuse
me,
this
graphic
illustrates
the
evolution
of
the
design
for
this
project.
The
original
proposal
was
for
three
towers
of
20,
30
and
40
stories.
Then
the
designs
saw
a
reduction
of
sky
plane
impact
and
increase
in
Tower
separation
via
building
rotation
and
relocation
of
mass.
The
design
also
moved
to
two
buildings
with
separate
programs
and
towers
of
40
stories,
each
and
in
transition
and
height
towards
the
neighborhood
to
the
South
next
slide
here
are
the
renderings
of
the
proposed
project.
You'll
note
that
the
focus
is
not
on
design
specifics.
Z
Z
Z
This
is
a
schedule
that
will
be
part
of
the
Zoning
for
maximum
permitted,
Building
height
and
maximum
required
setbacks.
You'll
note
that
there
is
a
technical
motion
to
replace
the
schedule
with
this
one.
This
version
clarifies
for
area
D
for
a
four
storage
feature
to
be
incorporated
above
the
Second
Story.
This
schedule
reflects
maximum
Heights
and
setbacks
for
Podium
and
Tower
portions
of
the
build
backside.
Z
Z
Form
transition
from
the
high-rise
buildings
to
the
lower
mid-rise
Heights,
at
the
rear
of
the
subject
properly
generally
providing
a
45
degree,
angular
plane
from
New
York
setbacks,
and
this
is
despite
the
setbacks
shown
on
the
schedule.
The
final
design
and
location
of
the
four-story
connection
feature
to
determined
through
site
claim
review,
including
consideration
from
the
Urban
Design
review
panel.
Z
AB
Z
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you,
Lorraine.
We
will
come
back
to
you
for
questions
in
a
few
minutes,
but
we're
going
to
go
now
to
the
applicants
for
a
presentation.
We
have
several
of
the
applicants
here:
Patrick
bison,
Ken,
hopner,
Tyler,
yakichuk,
Miguel,
Trombley
and
serial
leader
I'm,
not
sure
who
of
the
group
is
doing
the
presentation,
but
we'll
give
Clerk's
team
just
a
moment
to
bring
them
all
into
the
panelist
room.
A
O
Great,
so
thank
you
very
much
everybody
so
today
is
discussed
for
reviewing
2026
Scott
Street
Lorraine
has
gone
through
a
lot
of
the
context
slides,
so
we
can
just
skip
ahead.
A
few
slides
here
keep
going
keep
going,
and
then
we
can
stop
here.
So
basically,
this
this
illustration
just
represents
the
the
very
active
development
that
are
that
is
occurring
along
Scott
Street.
O
O
Next
slide,
please
so
this
was
the
basically
the
the
sort
of
palette
we
developed
for
the
three
Tower
scheme.
Next
slide,
foreign
proposal
and
Lauren
Lorraine
went
through
the
general
masking
strategy,
but
basically,
what
we
attempted
to
do
was
reorganize
the
site,
while
keeping
the
main
feature
was,
which
was
the
connection
from
Scott
Street
to
Lions
Park,
which
which
is
a
very
important
aspect
of
of
this
development.
Next
slide.
Please.
O
Basically,
you
know
absorbing
one
of
the
towers
in
one
of
the
the
remaining
Towers
allowed
us
to
maintain
what
our
projected
yields
would
be,
but
also
retain
the
important
gesture
that
was
a
connection
to
Lion's
Park.
Obviously,
the
site
is
kitty
corner
to
the
Future
LRT
station,
which
which
is
important
in
terms
of
what
the
yield
is
offering
and
and
aligns
itself
with
City
policies.
Next
slide,
please
So.
Currently
our
proposed
development
seeks
to
add
818
units
I.
O
Think
the
main
takeaway
from
this
slide
is
basically
the
ratio
of
units
that
we're
offering,
basically,
in
the
two
towers,
we're
looking
at
a
rough
ratio
of
10,
Studios
60
one
bedrooms
and
about
30
percent
two
bedrooms,
which
is
a
pretty
significant
offering
in
terms
of
larger
units,
That
Could,
Fall,
In,
The,
Family
unit
range
and
basically,
those
units
range
from
roughly
850
square
feet
to
1200
square
feet
depending
on
on
the
unit
layout.
Next
slide,
please.
O
Basically,
this
is
a
illustration
of
our
connection
to
Scott
Street
I
mean
we
envisit.
We
envision
the
Redevelopment
of
lions
park
as
an
extension
of
what
we
what
we
would
be
doing
on
site.
Obviously
this
is
a
projection
and
we'd
like
to
work
with
the
city
to
expand
that
that
idea,
but
basically
to
really
create
a
common
gesture
throughout
the
site
connecting
to
Scott
Street
next
site.
Please
next
slide
So
volumetrically
speaking.
O
This
is
what
we're
looking
at
next
slide:
two
forms
of
40
stories,
each
with
a
transitional
component
as
it
faces
Lions
Park
next
slide.
Please,
and
basically
the
number
two
here
is
a
sort
of
a
elaboration
of
the
idea
of
creating
a
feature
amenity
component.
We
call
it
the
amenity
Bridge,
whether
they're
connected
together
or
not,
remains
to
be
seen,
but
basically
this
would
be
a
signature
piece
that
would
highlight
the
the
development
next
slide.
Please.
O
So,
in
terms
of
that
feature,
amenity
level,
we're
really
looking
at
this
as
a
feature
component
for
the
the
building
as
it
as
it
creates
a
presence
along
Scott
Street
next
slide.
Please
again
just
an
example
of
what
we
could
imagine
there
as
a
as
an
amenity
feature
component
next
slide
and
basically,
as
we
developed
this,
we're
constantly
thinking
about
how
to
integrate.
O
Obviously,
this
this
large
development
in
a
sensitive
manner
to
the
existing
fabric
of
the
community
and
trying
to
elaborate
the
architecture
in
a
sensitive
manner
to
address
the
idea
of
transition
next
slide.
Please,
basically,
some
some
aspirational
images
about
how
we
foresee
treating
the
transitional
piece
that
fronts
onto
Lion's
Park
next
slide,
please
some
some
notional
ideas
of
how
we
imagine
the
public
space
connection
occurring
between
our
two
buildings
and
lions
parked
next
slide.
O
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we
have
we
have
two
public
delegations
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
questions
for
the
applicant
and
questions
for
staff.
After
that,
our
two
delegations
are
Heather
Mitchell
and
Hing
Chung.
So
we
will
begin
with
Heather
Mitchell
welcome
Heather.
So
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
present
to
the
committee
and
Then,
followed
by
any
questions
from
committee
members
or
counselors
good
morning.
Good.
P
P
The
Two
Towers
provide
a
more
open
project
at
the
ground
level
and
we
appreciate
that
from
the
original
concept
that
they
came
up
with,
and
we
appreciate
the
public
access
from
Lions
Park
to
Scott
Street.
That's
really
quite
crucial
in
our
mind,
however,
although
we
welcome
the
capital
investment
plan
for
Lions
Park
Two
40-story
Towers,
with
850
dwellings,
along
with
an
already
approved
30-story
Tower,
which
you've
seen
in
the
pictures
right
next
door
on
an
adjacent
property,
we
feel
is
simply
too
much
intensification.
P
We
would
prefer
a
single
Tower,
it's
an
awful
lot
for
us
to
swallow.
Counselors
I
know
it's
happening
up
and
down
Scott
Street.
It's
just
an
awful
lot
for
this
corner
of
Westboro
to
accept
the
various
reports
included
in
this
submission,
make
many
references
to
pedestrian
and
cycling
safety
and
that's
great
we're
concerned.
There's
a
lack
of
community
amenities
around
this
on
all
of
what's
happening
on
this
corner
again.
Dover
Court
Recreational
facility
is
a
little
bit
further
away.
P
That
could
be
an
issue
for
adding
all
these
people
here,
hopefully
of
which
are
a
good
blend
of
of
families.
We're
disappointed
in
the
applicant's
response
to
the
provision
of
affordable
housing.
I
know
it's
a
Hot,
Topic
and
I'm
going
to
leave
the
counselor
to
talk
more
about
that,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
the
community
also
feels,
with
all
these
towers,
going
up,
there's
still
again
we're
not
getting
any
real.
It's
seemingly
effort
here
to
to
make
them
affordable
in
a
very
real
way.
P
People
consider
Westborough
as
a
very
well-off
neighborhood,
but
I
can
tell
you.
There
are
people
in
this
neighborhood
who
need
assistance
and
people
who
want
to
move
into
Westborough
and
near
all.
This
Transit
are
not
going
to
be,
are
come
from
all
kinds
of
different
backgrounds,
so
I'd
like
to
have
you
listen
to
The
Counselor
who'll
talk
more
about
that
the
applicant.
The
planned
access
to
the
garage
parking
via
athlone
were
very
leery
of
that
we
don't
care
for
that.
We
believe
it
should
be
located
along
Scott.
P
P
Pardon
me,
while
I
scroll,
my
notes,
counselors
more
work
in
consultation,
and
this
is
key
needs
to
be
conducted
around
those
step,
Downs
or
setbacks
with
the
two
and
three
story:
dwellings
that
flank
this
development.
We
ask
that
this
project
not
be
approved
until
this
has
been
thoroughly
reviewed,
that
the
community
has
been
consulted
and
we
have
a
more
effective
approach.
P
In
conclusion,
although
the
revised
project
gives
some
relief
by
removing
one
of
the
towers,
the
community
has
not
had
sufficient
time
to
review
and
discuss
this
revised
plan,
which
of
course,
went
through
the
whole
through
the
election
period.
We
simply
haven't
had
a
time
to
really
have
a
good
solid
look
at
it.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening
to
me.
I,
look
forward
to
your
discussion.
AC
Thanks
Heather
and
obviously
nothing
unexpected
in
the
in
your
comments
there
I
I
I
am
generally
supportive
of
the
the
application
with
the
two-story
The
Two
Towers,
being
a
better
proposal
than
the
the
three
towers
I.
Don't
think
it
suffocates
the
site
as
much
I
did
want
to
ask
so
one
thing:
I
guess
that
I'm
not
sure
if
you
and
I
have
had
a
chance
to
talk
about,
because,
of
course,
the
last
two
months
have
been
a
bit
of
a
whirlwind
for
all
of
us.
AC
P
The
yeah-
that's
that's
a
fair
point,
so
I
guess
it's
a
matter
of
having
to
balance
off
safety
who
who
gets
the
most
range
of
safety.
I!
Think
that's
something
we
have
to
look
at
again.
It
gets
back
to
more
consultation
with
the
community.
If
we
could
look
at
that,
a
lot
lot
more
carefully.
I
know
the
the
residents
on
the
street
are
are
very
stressed
already
of.
AD
P
You
know
it's
just
one
more,
it's
one
more
stressor.
On
the
other
hand,
we
do
want
Scott
to
have
that
wonderful,
that's
already
started
with
the
cycling
infrastructure,
which
we
really
think
is
terrific,
so
again,
more
consultation
on
that
would
be
great
and
again
having
this
push
through
during
this
time
when
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
go
through
these
things,
carefully,
we'd
like
to
have
a
bit
more
discussion
on
that
thanks,
Jeff,
no.
A
C
A
C
Y
Thank
you,
whereas
report
ACS,
2022,
Pi
eps0130,
recommends
Council
approve
a
zoning
bile
amendment
to
permit
two
40-story
mixed-use
buildings
along
Scott,
Street
and
athlone
Avenue,
and
where
our
staff
have
identified
technical
areas
with
respect
to
document
3
in
reference
to
the
schedule
areas
and
whereas
the
recommended
building
Heights
are
not
changing
as
a
result
of
this
technical
error
irritate
resolve
that,
with
respect
to
this
report,
document
3
be
replaced
with
the
revised
document.
3
it
closed,
there
would
be
further
resolved
that
no
there'll
be
no
further
notice.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
Kelly.
If
you
can,
let
us
know
once
we're
able
to
reconnect
with
Hing
Chong
and
we
can
go
back
to
the
public
delegation
later.
But
let's
move
on
right
now
to
questions
for
the
applicants.
There's
a
number
of
Representatives
here
and
any
questions
from
counselors
for
the
applicant
team,
counselor
leaper.
AC
Thank
you
very
much,
chair
and
good
afternoon
or
good
morning
to
to
all
of
you.
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
factual
ones.
Sorry
quickly.
First,
one
of
the
notes
that
I've
been
receiving
from
a
few
different
people
is
with
respect
to
the
Energy
Efficiency
of
the
building.
People
are
concerned
that
we
shouldn't
be
building
these
tall
towers,
that
they
are
energy,
inefficient,
I'm,
just
I'm
wondering
to
what
standards
you'll
be
held
with
respect
to
ensuring
the
greatest
possible
Energy
Efficiency.
O
I
guess
I
can
feel
that
question
basically
I
mean
we,
we
will
be
striving
to
meet
the
Ontario
building
code.
You
know,
building
efficiency
I
believe
is
20
greater
than
what's
currently
required.
Our
team
is
currently
exploring
alternate
means
of
of
heating,
basically
we're
exploring
the
geothermal
Avenue,
and
so
this
will
be
things
that
will
become
a
bit
more
clear
as
as
we
move
on,
but
I
mean
the
building.
Efficiency
is
important
for
the
client
in
terms
of
managing
this,
this
property
for
years
to
come.
AC
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
you
know
we
have
a
required
amount
of
Parkland
that
you,
as
the
developer
are
required
to
convey
free
and
clear
to
the
city
that
you
have
conveyed
that
land
as
part
of
this
development
proposal
and
I
I
just
want
to
hear
as
well
that
it
is
up
to
the
city
to
determine
how
that
is
going
to
be
actually
programmed
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
that
you're
not
proposing
to
impose
a
new
park.
Design
on
lions
without
without
the
cities
say
so.
O
No
that's
correct,
so
we
we
have
given
the
10
part
plan
dedication
as
part
of
this
development.
I
mean
it
would
be
fantastic
for
us
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
city
as
we
develop
our
our
project
and
to
be
able
to
integrate
our
landscape
component
as
part
of
a
potential
land.
Well
Park
development
in
Lions
Park.
So,
if
that,
if
that
option
is
there,
we
would
love
to
entertain
that
as
we
move
forward
to
create
a
just
a
better
environment
for
everybody,
but.
AC
AC
Yeah
and
I'll
be
asking
City
staff
the
the
same
question
so
now
the
the
the
piece
that
is
very
much
on
my
mind.
This
is
one
of
the
Prime
locations
in
Ottawa.
You
are
across
from
Westboro
transit
station.
It
is
eminently
walkable
to
all
the
amenities
that
are
being
offered
on
on
Richmond
Road.
You
can
walk
to
the
farm
boy.
You
can
walk
to
the
Loblaws
for
groceries.
You
can
walk
to
Westboro
Beach.
AC
AB
Just
to
say
that
you
know
we're
committed
to
15
of
the
units
which
is
a
you
know.
This
project
is
over
120
units
being
affordable
units
in
another
30
plus
being
family-sized
units.
So
we
know
there's
a
housing
crisis
and
I
think
we're
being
responsible
and
having
half
our
units
address
that
either
as
affordable
or
as
family
units.
AC
AB
AC
Now
the
legislation
that
was
introduced
yesterday
I
know
we're
all
trying
to
wrap
our
minds
around
what
exactly
it
does
and
means,
and
I
I'm
hoping
actually
to
hear
from
staff
a
little
bit
later
on
in
terms
of
what
what
our
next
steps
are
on
that
legislation
it
does
things
like
introduce
caps
on
inclusionary
zoning
if,
if
caps
on
affordable
units
in
transit,
proximate
developments
are
introduced,
are
you
still
committed
to
ensuring
that
we
have?
You
know,
say
that
15
percent
number
here.
AB
AC
AC
What
is
our
assurance
that
this
building,
if
it's
going
to
define
the
skyline,
is
going
to
define
the
skyline
in
a
in
a
positive
way?
Obviously,
Mr
hoban's
involvement
in
that
of
his
office
gives
me
some
confidence,
but
is
it
your
intention
to
continue
with
the
holben
as
an
architect
on
on
this
file,
and
and
what
can
you
tell
me
about
what
this
building
is
finally
going
to
look
like.
AB
I
can
answer
the
first
question.
The
answer
is
yes,
we
really
I've
been
working
with
Barry
since
he
built
my
first
house
for
me
in
1988.
So
he's
a
good
friend
and
Patrick's
done
a
great
job
in
this.
So
that's
certainly
Our
intention,
I'll.
Let
Patrick
talk
to
where
we
plan
to
go
on
the
design
of
the
building
in
the
future.
O
Thanks
cereal,
obviously
we're
very
well
aware
of
its
presence
in
the
skyline,
and
it
is
Our
intention
to
you
know,
develop
two
towers
that
will
complement
the
skyline
I
mean
I.
I
will
be
looking
at
these
two
towers
for
the
rest
of
my
life
and
career.
So
it's
it's.
It
certainly
my
objective
to
make
sure
that
that
we
develop
two
towers
that
that
will
be.
O
I
mean
all
these
three
components
will
work
together
to
you
know
to
result
in
a
a
good
looking
great
looking
Tower
development
like
I,
said
it's
it's
still
early
days
here,
we're
still
working
on
the
the
architecture
itself,
but
you
know
we're
committed
to
proposing
something
that
will
that
will
add
character
to
the
city.
Skyline.
AC
You
know
Define
that
Skyline
and
you'll
be
visible
from
you
know,
everywhere,
in
Gatineau
and
across
the
river
and
from
the
south
and
coming
in
from
Canada
it's
it's
they're,
they're
they're,
going
to
be
important.
Yeah
chair,
I'm,
going
to
leave
it
there
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
the
answers.
Thank
you
very
much.
I.
A
X
Just
to
give
the
committee
a
little
bit
of
comfort,
we,
we
do
have
an
obligation
through
site
plan
to
go
back
to
the
udrp.
We
we
went
there
ready
for
the
building
form,
but
we
will
have
to
do
a
formal
review
as
part
of
our
site
plan
and
I.
Think
it's
been
made
obvious
to
us
that
their
focus
will
be
both
on
the
transition
to
the
lower
floors
and,
at
the
same
time,
the
upper
portions
of
the
building.
X
W
Thanks
Mr
chair
some
of
my
questions
at
Park,
especially
answered
even
announcer
Leeper
made
a
few
references
to
ongoing
Community
consultation.
I
always
worry
when
I
hear
a
Community
Association
member
come
and
say
that
there
wasn't
enough
consultation,
because
it's
either,
maybe
because
their
ideas
weren't,
listened
to
and
heard,
and
they
didn't
get
what
they
wanted,
that
there
wasn't
seen
to
be
enough
consultation,
or
maybe
it
was
that
there
wasn't
any
consultation
and
so
I
just
want
some
an
understanding
of
what
consultation
was
there
and
what
consultation
has
planned
going
forward.
X
I
can
maybe
take
an
early
stab
at
that
if
you,
if
you'd
like,
because
I
did
forward
a
letter
to
planning
committee
prior
to
while
late
last
night,
I
guess,
but
just
to
itemize,
that
a
little
bit
in
the
consultation
started
about
three
years
ago.
Patrick
alluded
to
some
of
those
early
discussions
as
to
whether
the
curling
club
should
be
retained
on
site
or
is
there
other
options?
X
X
I
fully
recognize
that
the
election
puts
the
counselor
in
a
difficult
position
with
respect
to
having
you
know,
direct
discussions
with
his
community,
but
you
know,
and
then
today
is,
is
a
final
opportunity
for
the
community
to
input
into
that
that
discussion
and
and
we've
had
well
one
one
and
a
half
delegations,
I
suppose.
So.
Thank
you.
W
Mr
chair,
so
thank
you
for
the
I.
Think
councilor
Lieber
has
something
to
say,
but
I
think
also.
Some
of
the
comments
today
were
about
site
plan
about
some
of
the
finer
details
and
so
I
guess
I
want
assurances
as
well
and
maybe
counselor
Libra
will
have
more
to
say,
but
that
on
there
will
be
some
more
opportunities
for
the
community
to
be
involved.
So
one
will
be
the
udrp
I.
Think
you're
saying
and
maybe
will
there
be
something
else.
AB
Yeah
I
think
I
could
answer
that
later.
We're
not
required
to
bring
the
site
plan
back
for
public
consultation
other
than
at
udrp,
but
we
will
bring
it
back
to
the
community
for
comments
before
we
go
to
udrps.
Just
we
think
that's
the
right
thing
to
do
as
a
community
good,
Community
Citizen
and
get
the
input
before
we
go
to
udrp.
So
we're
going
to
make
that
commitment
that
we
will
come
back
to
Heather
and
the
Community
Association
to
the
counselor.
That
will
come
back
with
the
site
plan
for
comments.
AC
AC
We
if
anyone
from
the
province
is
listening
when
it
comes
to
Big,
controversial
development
files,
we
we
need
to
pause
ahead
of
Elections
so
that
we
can
properly
represent
and
property
serve
and
properly
respond
to
concerns
of
our
residents.
This
second
resubmission
I
believe,
was
made
public
in
September.
AC
It
does
not
give
me
any
time
to
host
another
public
meeting.
It
doesn't
give
me
time
to
talk
to
staff
anytime.
That
I'm
spending
on
the
file
is
is
time
that
counselors,
who
are
candidates,
are
spending
away
from
the
door
were
really
conflicted
during
a
an
election
period.
So
if
anyone
from
the
province
is
listening,
we
could
we
could
use
a
bit
of
a
break
on
these
files,
and
the
establishment
of
something
looking
like
a
rip
period
would
be
extremely
helpful.
A
Yeah
well
said
counselor
leaper,
and
it's
remarkable
that
in
a
planning
committee
with
20
files,
we
have
fewer
than
10
delegations
and
I
got
to
think
part
of
that
is
our
inability
to
communicate
with
residents
through
newsletters
and
the
usual
channels
during
the
60-day
blackout
period.
I
know
there's
other
ways:
staff
can
communicate
to
people
who
have
previously
provided
comments
or
attended
meetings,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
people
who
probably
are
not
aware
of
of
this
meeting
and
the
applications
in
their
communities.
So
thanks
for
raising
that
counselor.
B
AC
Thank
you,
I
I,
don't
have
a
ton
of
questions
for
for
staff
on
this
one,
except
with
respect
to
I,
do
want
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
park
and
just
understand,
because
the
the
proximity
or
the
adjacency
to
Lions
Park
has
been
a
controversial
aspect
of
this
development
proposal.
It's
been
through
a
lot
of
iterations
through
the
past
couple
of
years.
AE
Through
you
chairs,
the
answer
is
a
unqualified
yes,
counselor,
we're
receiving
the
10
that
is
required
by
the
park.
Dedication
bylaw.
It
is
being
added
as
a
basic
rectangle
to
the
park.
So
it's
an
extension
of
the
park
towards
the
North
in
a
uniform
Direction,
and
then
we
will
follow
our
traditional
New
Park
development
process,
which
includes
consultation,
design,
charette
Etc,.
AC
AE
Yes,
so
there's
there
will
be
two
sides
to
it.
The
park
is
in
and
of
itself
a
park.
However,
there's
also
the
site
plan
approval
process
where
we'll
be
working
with
the
developer
to
look
at
what
is
the
interface?
How
does
it
work
and
so
there's
two
parts
to
it
because,
as
you
know,
site
plan
approval
will
have
a
very
technical
process.
The
park
line,
dedication
and
then
subsequent
development
is
after
Cyclone
is
approved.
Yep.
AE
That
is
something
I'll
be
working
with
colleagues
in
Urban
Design
to
address
as
well,
because
being
that
it's
it's
going
to
be
an
it's
an
open
space,
it's
a
privately
owned
space.
But
how
do
we
integrate
that
with
park?
Or
how
do
we
Define
between?
What's
public
and
private?
That's
a
very
detailed
discussion
that
we
will
need
to
have
during
the
site
plan
approval
process.
AC
A
W
E
I
A
So
we
have
two
public
delegations
on
this
item
and
we
also
have
representatives
from
from
the
applicant
and
from
Canadian
banknote
as
well,
who
have
an
interest
in
this
file.
There's
a
motion
from
councilor
leaper
and
why
don't
we
start
with
that
motion
and
introduce
that
from
the
get-go
here
and
then
we'll
go
to
a
presentation
from
Lorraine
again
as
a
city
planner?
So
let's
start
with
the
motion,
we'll
get
it
up
on
the
screen.
AC
This
has
been
a
long
file
and
we've
been
working
towards
a
very
significant
benefits
package
that
would
help
ensure
that
the
artists
who
are
currently
in
the
building
and
some
of
the
buildings
adjacent
would
have
a
long
period
of
subsidized
below
Market
rent,
in
addition
to
money
going
into
some
local
pedestrian
bridge
infrastructure
and
affordable
housing.
Despite
the
fact
that
we
can
no
longer
compel
the
developer
to
provide
the
benefits.
AC
At
that
same
level,
the
developer
has
agreed
to
continue
with
really
substantially
most
of
the
community
benefits
that
we've
been
talking
about
before
the
change
was
imposed
by
The
Province.
So
this
motion
wreck
is
simply
in
recognition
of
the
fact
that
they'll
be
contributing
well
over
and
above
what
they
are
required
to.
AF
The
subject
site
is
located
in
the
hintonburg
neighborhood.
It
is
approximately
one
hectare
in
size
with
95
meters
of
Frontage,
along
Gladstone,
Avenue
and
151
meters
of
Frontage
along
Loretta
Avenue.
The
site
is
bound
by
the
O
train
Corridor
to
the
East
and
the
future.
Corso
Italia
O
train
station,
a
four-story
artist,
studio,
the
standard,
bread
building
and
a
one-story
light
industrial
building,
the
Gladstone
Center
two
two-story
mixed-use
buildings
and
surf
at
parking.
Lots
are
currently
occupied
the
site
next
slide.
AF
Please
here
is
the
view
of
the
subject:
property
looking
North
on
Gladstone
Avenue
and
the
second
shot
is
a
view
of
the
subject:
property.
Looking
East
on
Loretta
Avenue
next
slide
a
site
plan.
Application
has
been
provided
concurrently
with
this
zoning
Amendment
application
and
is
currently
under
review.
This
is
the
latest
version
and
reflects
the
proposed
rezoning
next
slide.
AF
AF
AF
Next
slide
planning
staff
recommend
approval
of
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
this
project,
which
retains
the
Heritage
designated
standard
bread
building
and
includes
three
towers
at
Heights
of
30,
33
and
35
stories,
with
approximately
850
dwelling
units
and
a
mix
of
office
and
Retail
uses
planning
staff
also
recommend
a
class
4
noise
area
designation
of
the
subject
properties.
There
is
a
known
issue
with
respect
to
stationary
noise
emissions
from
the
existing
Canada
banknote
facility
to
the
development
and
surrounding
residential
area.
AF
A
phasing
plan
should
the
project
be
developed
in
phases
and
providing
for
elements
to
be
provided
within
each
phase
of
development
and
review
of
stationary
noise
study
under
the
class
for
noise
area,
designation,
identifying
compliant
noise
levels
and
where
mitigation
is
required
conditioned
accordingly.
Next
slide,
I
would
like
to
note
that
the
report
incorrectly
indicated
that
the
subject
property
was
designated
General
urban
area.
This
has
not
changed.
AF
Staff's
recommendation,
as
the
secondary
plan
takes
precedence
over
volume,
one
of
the
official
plan
new
mixed
use
centers
may
only
be
identified
through
a
community
design
plan
process
and
apply
the
target
density
for
a
dent
for
identified
areas.
During
the
review
of
this
application,
the
course
of
Italia
station
District's
secondary
plan
was
developed
and
takes
precedence
over
volume.
One
of
the
official
plan
and,
in
fact
the
concurrent
official
plan,
Amendment
application
filed
with
the
rezoning,
is
no
longer
required
next
slide.
AF
A
A
M
M
This
is
a
ground
level
view
from
the
building.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
this
is
the
project
team
next
slide,
please,
as
this
we've
already
covered
this
with
stuff,
we
can
see
the
site
so
to
immediately
to
the
east.
Is
the
O
train
Trillium
line?
This
is
indeed
a
major
Transit
node,
at
which
residential
intensification
is
sought
by
The,
Province
and
the
city
next
slide.
Please.
M
This
gives
us
an
idea
of
the
larger
context.
So
we
can
see
just
to
the
north
is
the
EU
station
and
to
the
South.
We
have
Carling
station,
certainly
at
an
area
of
the
city,
where
a
lot
of
intensification
of
uses,
whether
it's
the
new
hospital
or
what
have
you
is
indeed
occurring
next
slide.
Please,
these
are
some
site
photos
next
slide
slide,
please.
M
These
are
the
official
plan
policies
and
the
zoning
policies
that
we
have
available.
If
you
have
questions
in
regards
to
it
next
slide,
please
this
shows
the
location
of
the
site
in
context
of
the
transit
lines,
both
going
north
south
on
the
Trillium
line.
As
we
said,
and
we
are
one
Station
South
of
the
Confederation
Line
next
slide,
please.
M
This
is
an
aerial
view
of
the
site
we
can
see
Tower
one
to
the
South
is
on
Gladstone.
Tower
two
is
in
the
middle
of
the
site
and
Tower
three
is
to
the
north
of
the
site.
We
can
see
that
there's
a
multi-use
pathway
proposed
between
the
site
and
the
Trillium
line,
and
then
we
have
Loretta
Avenue
along
the
bottom
of
this
page,
which
is
Municipal
Road
next
slide,
please.
M
This
is
a
the
architect's
rendering
of
what
the
three
towels
will
look
like.
We
can
see,
there's
descending
height,
the
tallest
being
on
Gladstone
and
decreasing
as
we
proceed.
Northerly
next
slide,
please
this
was
shown,
but
in
staff
report
next
slide.
Please
next
slide
we're
just
showing
you
these
quickrees
and
that
way,
if
there's
any
questions,
so
this
is
actually
from
the
southwest
side.
M
M
So
as
referenced
by
staff,
the
multi
use
the
The
Pedestrian
access
is
shown
here
in
pink.
It
is
going
between
the
buildings.
This
is
one
of
the
the
pots
of
the
publicly
privately
owned
Public
Access
green
spaces,
and
that
will
be
an
access
from
Loretta
over
to
them
up.
So
what
has
been
proposed?
What
is
what
has
occurred?
Is
that
there's
been
a
very
long
process
in
order
to
get
to
where
we
are
today,
the
project
did
go
to
udrp
Once.
Second
udrp
submission
was
just
a
few
weeks
ago.
M
The
design
has
indeed
been
reflected
to
address
comments
that
were
received.
There
have
indeed
been
discussions
with
some
of
the
existing
artists
in
terms
of
what
that
relocation
strategy
might
be,
and
there
have
been
extensive
discussions
that
have
occurred
with
the
neighbor,
which
is
Canada
banknote.
Canada
banknote
is
located
to
the
east.
They
are
an
existing
industrial
use,
so
some
protections
we
do
acknowledge
are
required
in
order
to
address
that.
M
But
at
the
same
time
we
do,
we
do
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
this
site
is
ideally
located
for
residential
intensification,
which
is
in
accordance
with
the
provincial
interests,
as
well
as
the
city's
interests.
So
it's
been
a
very
long
process
to
get
us
to
where
we
are.
We
do
agree
with
the
staff
report,
but
we
also
acknowledge
that
there
might
be
a
few
small
changes
that
will
be
requested
prior
to
council,
just
based
on
concluding
some
final
discussions
with
Canada
banknote.
In
particular,
we
think
we're
very
close.
M
A
AG
AG
A
AH
Hi
I'm
Aaron,
Wise
and
I'm,
representing
Gladstone
clayworks
clatson
clayworks,
is
an
artist
Cooperative
at
490
fee
for
949b
Gladstone
Avenue
in
the
basement
of
the
standard
Bread
Company
building.
We
are
one
of
nearly
a
dozen
arts
groups
that
support
over
a
hundred
artists
on
the
site
proposed
for
development.
AH
We
are
extremely
appreciative
that
both
the
developer
and
the
city
have
recognized
from
the
nearly
30-year
history
of
the
site
as
a
dynamic
and
important
hub
for
Arts
production.
Our
2
000
square
foot,
pottery
and
ceramic
Cooperative
has
been
operating
out
of
the
standard
Bread
Company
building
for
19
years
next
year
will
be
our
20th
anniversary.
AH
Our
budget
is
extremely
modest.
We
operate
on
a
self-sustaining
model
of
providing
affordable
space
for
our
artists
and
Potters,
and
the
revenues
that
we
collect
from
our
25
artists
in
the
form
of
membership
dues
go
directly
and
predominantly
to
our
rent,
our
artist
volunteers,
our
artists
volunteered
their
time
to
ensure
the
operations
of
our
studio
laughs.
We
are
so
grateful
of
the
discussions
that
have
led
us
to
where
we
are
today,
which
includes
a
promise
that
our
artist
members
will
be
able
to
return
once
the
building
has
been
restored.
AH
We
look
forward
to
further
discussions,
but
want
to
raise
a
few
issues
which
are
critical
to
us
primarily
being
affordable
space
and
Community
benefits,
operational
solutions
for
unloading
and
loading
on
the
site,
zoning
designations
and
the
support
for
artists
who
will
not
be
included
in
the
new
development,
primarily
for
the
affordable
space
and
Community
benefits.
We
recognize
that
there
are
certain
industry
definitions
of
affordable.
However,
there
is
no
definition
of
affordable
in
this
planning
document.
AH
The
costs
cited
in
discussions
represent
approximately
a
15
to
18
percent
increase
in
our
annual
rent,
which
will
be
borne
directly
by
our
artist
members.
Some
have
the
capacity
to
pay
others
do
not.
We
try
to
keep
rent
as
low
as
possible
to
allow
those
on
fixed
incomes
and
limited
budgets
to
be
able
to
practice
their
craft.
AH
AH
There
have
been
no
clear
definitions
of
what
resources
will
be
available
to
cover
relocating
twice
in
the
associated
fit
up
costs.
This
uncertainty
makes
us
nervous
as
to
how
affordable
this
will
really
be
in
the
whole
grand
scheme
of
the
project.
We
are
looking
for
a
clear
definition
of
affordable
rent
that
includes
independent,
measurable
metrics.
Additionally,
we'd
like
to
see
the
provisions
to
assist
the
necessary
moves
and
fit
UPS
costs
clearly
outlined.
AH
However,
we
feel
that
this
may
put
some
burden
on
our
members
to
get
things
in
and
out
of
our
space
quickly
or
pay
for
parking,
which
can
both
be
barriers
for
our
members,
which
include
seniors
and
people
on
fixed
incomes.
Our
supplies
arrive
in
bulk.
The
boxes
of
clay
are
20
kilos.
Each
bags
of
ingredients
to
make
glazes
can
be
25
kilos.
Delivering
these
to
our
space
using
an
underground
garage
of
an
adjacent
building
will
be
a
significant
challenge.
AH
We
hope
that
there
can
be
ongoing
discussions
about
how
to
use
city-owned
space
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
adjacent
to
Corso.
Italia
O
train
station
we'd
like
to
see
a
layover
loading
unloading,
Zone
that
allows
our
artists
and
other
people
to
load
in
and
out
of
the
side
of
the
building.
I
bring
this
up
at
planning
committee
meeting
as
it
is
an
outside
of
the
control
of
the
developers.
I
would
like
some
indication
from
the
city
as
to
how
our
Cooperative
could
participate
in
the
design
of
this
space.
AH
Zoning
designation.
We
are
concerned
that
there
is
no
mention
of
artist
Studios
as
permitted
use
in
the
zoning
application.
We
would
like
assurances
from
the
city
that
there
would
be
nothing
preventing
us
from
continuing
to
produce
our
work
in
this
location
and,
as
mentioned
earlier,
there
are
over
a
hundred
artists
served
on
the
current
parcel
of
land.
Only
those
artists,
currently
in
the
standard,
Bread
Company
building
will
be
able
to
return
about.
AH
30
percent
will
not
be
able
to
return
because
of
the
scope
of
community
benefits
agreement,
although
this
may
be
outside
of
the
purview
of
the
planning
committee.
We
urge
consideration
of
how
to
incorporate
arts
and
artists
in
more
developments
moving
forward.
There
is
very
little
affordable
space
in
the
city
where
artists
can
produce
their
work.
If
we
want
a
thriving
Arts
Community,
we
need
space
for
people
to
practice
their
craft.
AH
AC
AH
AC
A
U
U
I
do
rent
a
studio
from
the
enriched
bread,
artist,
non-profit
organization
that
currently
leases
space
in
the
standard,
Bread
Company
building
I'm
a
past
president
and
former
artistic
director
of
gallery
101
Artist
Run
Center
I'm,
a
member
of
the
auto
Arts
Council,
I'm
retired,
from
Global
Affairs
Canada,
where
I
was
the
manager
and
curator
of
the
global
Affairs
collection
of
art
for
Canadian
embassies
and
consulates
abroad.
I
have
submitted
written
comments
on
this
report
from
the
city
planners
and
I.
Have
a
few
brief
words
to
add.
U
Some
of
this
was
covered
by
the
presentation
by
Lorraine
and
and
the
landlord,
but
just
to
reiterate,
as
you
as
you
know,
now,
to
get
the
property
in
Gladstone.
Loretta
is
a
hub
of
artistic
activity
that
has
developed
over
the
past
30
years
in
the
standard
Bread
Company
building
and
the
surrounding
Plaza
are
60
artist.
Studios
a
ceramic
Art,
Collective
clayworks,
25
members.
U
There
they
have
a
there
is
a
glass
blowing
Cooperative,
a
music
school,
a
music
performance
space
as
well
as
fine
furniture,
designers
and
Fabricators,
and
a
fine
art
conservation
Studio
over
100
artists,
as
you've
heard,
will
work
on
these
properties
and
they
will
all
be
just
dislocated
by
this
development.
All
the
artists
will
have
to
leave
and
they
will
relocate
to
other
places
to
other
neighborhoods
and
perhaps
to
other
cities.
U
This
report
from
the
city
planners
explains
that
the
developers
actually
have
no
legal
obligation
to
provide
any
Community
benefits
in
exchange
for
the
zoning
amendments
that
they
request.
You
so
you've
heard
all
of
that.
The
city
planners
can
explain
the
rather
extraordinary
circumstances
whereby
the
provisions
of
section
37
of
the
provincial
planning
act
have
expired
and
they
don't
apply
to
this
development.
Nor
does
the
nor
does
the
municipal
Community
benefits.
Charges
by
law.
I
think
that
was
addressed
also
by
Jeff
Lieber.
U
U
So
this
is
an
agreement
between
the
landlord
and
the
City
of
Ottawa,
and
the
wording
is
unclear
on
what
is
being
offered
by
the
landlord
and
the
city
does
not
know
here
what
it
is
getting.
How
could
that
possibly
turn
out
badly
so
concerning
the
conditions
and
terms
in
this
report
regarding
the
provisions
that
are
supposed
to
ensure
that
artists
will
return
and
remain
in
the
standard
Bread
Company
building,
there
is
loads
of
good
intention.
U
There's
promises
wishes
hopes
in
the
lack
of
specificity
and
criteria.
Anything
could
happen
here.
This
uncertainty
could
be
cleared
up
with
more
specific
wording
in
the
report,
more
details
on
what
the
landlord
developer
is
often
offering,
and
what
is
the
city
getting
there's
little
doubt
that
this
development
will
not
go
ahead.
The
city
wants
this
development
to
go
ahead,
so
we
don't
have
no
doubt
about
that.
AI
AI
I
I
really
have
one
specific
thing
to
say,
and
that
is
that
it's
really
unfortunate
that
this
is
coming
before
your
committee,
in
the
condition
that
it
is
at
the
moment.
In
our
view,
it's
premature
and
it's
premature
for
one
specific
reason:
there
must
be
an
agreement
between
us
and
the
developer
that
ensures
that
we
are
not
forced
to
pay
the
cost
of
this
development
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
AI
So
my
suggestion
is
that
this
should
be
put
off
to
the
next
planning
committee
meeting
so
that
that
agreement
can
hopefully
be
arrived
at
to
put
in
context.
Our
facility
is
very
important.
I
know
this
project
is
important
to
the
city
of
Ottawa.
For
many
reasons
you
know
intensification
around
Transit
nodes
is
something
we're
all
anxious
to
see,
but
our
facility
is
unique.
It
is
the
only
source
of
Canadian
passports
for
Canadians
that
want
to
travel.
AI
It
is
the
only
source
of
currency
for
Canadians
and
maintaining
our
ability
to
operate
unimpeded
is
absolutely
critical,
not
just
to
the
city
and
our
thousand
employees
that
we
have
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
but
also
to
the
country,
and
so
rushing
this
through.
Without
that
agreement
being
in
place
is
a
big
mistake
and
I
I
would
suggest
that
it's
putting
the
cart
for
the
horse
and-
and
this
committee
will
remember
that
I've
appeared
before
you
before
in
relation
to
the
OCH
property
and
I
made
the
same
submission
at
the
same
time.
AI
We
had
to
appeal
the
OCH
situation.
Ultimately,
it
resolved
through
the
class
IV
designation,
but
that
lost
us
a
year
of
affordable
housing
and
it
caused
our
company.
A
half
a
million
dollars
in
legal
fees.
That
is
not
the
way
to
run
planning
in
this
city,
and-
and
it's
really
unfortunate
that
we're
at
the
11th
hour
here,
I
have
been
pushing
for
years
to
get
this
agreement
in
place
and
we're
still
not
there
and
the
staff
report
glosses
over
the
fact
that
it's
missing
I
don't
understand
it.
AI
On
the
plus
side,
staff
have
finally
recognized
that
class
4
is
important.
The
engineers
that
have
looked
at
this
incompatibility
between
our
use
and
the
proposed
use
have
said
it
will
cost
our
company
seven
million
dollars
over
the
next
15
years
to
maintain
compliance
with
class
four.
It
is
critically
important
to
our
company
that
we
reach
an
agreement
with
the
developer
that
we
are
not
paying
that
much.
AI
The
decibel
reading
of
those
backup
beepers
is
something
like
65
to
70
decibels.
People
are
not
going
to
be
happy,
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
still
has
to
be
done
in
terms
of
reaching
agreement
not
only
with
the
developer
but
working
with
the
city
to
make
sure
all
of
the
right.
Provisions
are
in
place
that
people
are
not
taken
unawares,
that
when
they
move
into
this
facility,
they're
not
going
to
be
happy
and-
and
so
we
are
pushing
this
ahead
at
the
wrong
time.
AI
Had
we
taken
a
pause
the
last
time
on
OCH,
we
probably
would
have
resolved
it
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
instead
it
took
a
year.
I.
Just
don't
understand
why
this
is
so
important
to
push
on
at
this
stage
and
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
a
big
mistake.
It's
critical
to
the
country
that
our
operations
not
be
interrupted,
and
it
and
it
is,
it
has
been
our
position
all
along
that
we
wanted
to
be
at
the
table.
AI
That
was
the
case
in
Och,
and
no
one
wanted
to
talk
to
us
and
it's
the
case
here.
We
have
Goodwill
at
the
table
now
we're
making
progress,
but
I've
had
many
opportunities
or
many
situations.
As
a
lawyer,
where
we've
got
right
to
the
point
that
the
agreement
was
finally
drafted
and
someone
refused
to
sign,
I
need
a
signed
agreement
for
this
to
be
appropriate
to
come
before
your
committee,
because
this
is
the
only
opportunity
I
get
to
appeal
and
to
protect
our
business
and
and
I
think
you've
got
your
priorities
wrong.
AI
So
I'm
asking
you
to
adjourn
this
to
the
next
planning
committee
and
give
the
process
time
to
resolve
itself
the
way
it
should
and
the
way
it
should
have.
In
the
previous
case.
That's
really
all
I
have
to
say
I
realize
this
is
a
very
important
development.
I
appreciate
the
engagement
of
counselors
on
this
on
this
topic,
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
by
our
organization
to
achieve
an
agreement,
but
we're
not
there
yet
I
don't
have
money
in
my
pocket
to
pay
for
this,
and
as
soon
as
you
approve
this,
the
responsibility
is
mine.
AI
A
AC
Very
much
so
Gord
I'm,
not
sure.
If
you
are
aware,
there's
been
some
significant
discussion
around
this
between
clv,
myself
and
and
CBN
as
well.
I'll
I'll
be
looking
to
provide
for
staff
to
accept
Direction
during
the
course
of
this
meeting
that
there
will
be
a
holding
Zone
put
on
the
zoning
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
city
council
meeting.
That
would
require
that
agreement
be
in
place
before
the
zoning
is
is
finalized
and
the
developer
is
allowed
to
move
ahead.
AC
AC
AI
AI
Won't
say
I'm
nowhere
near
I'm,
saying
I,
don't
have
a
signed
agreement
at
any
point.
I
could
not
have
an
agreement
at
all
and
what
we
need
and
what's
supposed
to
happen
in
the
planning
process,
that
is,
you
know,
always
always
seem
to
be
ignored
in
Ottawa,
because
this
needs
to
be
done
long
before
and
out,
not,
let's
approve
and
then
see.
If
we
get
the
stuff,
that's
done.
That
is
legally
required
to
be
done.
It's
the
wrong
order
to
do
things
in.
Y
AI
C
Y
Suggesting
to
do
does
protect
your
interests.
I
realize
that
you
might
only
feel
it's
protected
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
guaranteed,
yes
or
no
or
or
only
through
legal
legal
means,
but
I
think
what
cancer
leaver
is
trying
to
do
is
protecting
your
interest
and
holding
a
lifting.
A
holding
provision
is
far
less
expensive
than
going
through
any
sort
of
appeal
process.
AI
W
L
L
L
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
CBN
property
is
just
west
of
clv.
You
know
right
across
the
street,
so
obviously
the
proximity
presents
the
the
large
concern
here
next
slide.
Please,
the
CBN
facility
on
Gladstone
was
built
in
the
that's.
Actually,
the
1940s,
not
the
1960s-
apologies
for
that.
It's
about
80,
000
square
feet
has
400
direct
high,
paying
jobs
and
sports
an
additional
1
000
high-paying
jobs.
It's
currently
compliant
with
all
noise
regulations.
L
L
L
L
The
industry
itself
are
minimized
and
mitigated
and
those
two
things
without
the
agreement
for
the
Outsource
mitigation,
which
is
required
over
and
above
the
class
four,
this
is
absolutely
needed.
You
know
before
that
that
change
of
use
should
occur
next
slide.
Please
so
CBN
the
canyon
banknote
operates
under
Environmental
Compliance
approval
certificate
from
the
mecp
they're
currently
compliant.
The
residential,
which
would
be
permitted
by
this
amendment,
creates
new
points
of
reception
where
the
sound
level
limits
must
be
met
that
previously
did
not
exist
at
that
point.
L
Cbn
no
longer
becomes
compliant
so
per
the
PPS.
The
Corso
Italia
secondary
plan,
specifically
policy
4146,
the
NPC
300,
as
well
as
the
city's
environmental
noise
control
guidelines.
It's
the
noise
sensitive
proponent,
who
must
remedy
the
non-compliant
situation
in
order
to
ensure
the
ongoing
operation
of
the
industry
without
impact
and
also
protect
their
own
future
residents
for
some
sites
designated
in
class
4
is
sufficient,
such
as
the
OCH
example.
This
is
not
the
case
for
this
particular
site,
because
it's
simply
Too
Close
next
slide.
Please.
L
L
At
that
point,
you
would
assess
compliance
under
class
1
versus
class
four.
If
class
one
is
not
attainable,
you
have
to
identify
what
a
mitigation
is
required
to
comply
with
class
four
and
in
that
situation
under
class
four,
when
you're
dealing
with
at
source
mitigation
being
required,
the
development
proponent,
and
this
the
quote,
is
coming
from
the
city's
encg,
the
environmental
noise
control
guidelines.
L
So
then,
you
would
have
that
agreement
signed
and
you
would
have
holding
Provisions
put
in
place
when
the
noise
sensitive
use
is
to
be
permitted
to
ensure
mitigation
is
linked
to
the
approval
of
the
normally
incompatible
uses.
That
holding
component
gives
certainty
of
mitigation
and
can
relate
to
both
source
and
receptor-based
mitigation.
Details
as
a
best
practice
for
land
use
compatibility
going
forward
and
it
protects
both
the
industry
and
the
future
residents
next
slide,
please.
L
So
in
order
to
support
the
zoning
Amendment-
and
so
you
know,
get
housing
off
the
ground
because
we
all
need
it,
and
you
know
we
need
to
be
consistent
with
the
PPS
and
other
relevant
policies
and
guidelines,
which
includes
the
NPC,
300
and
and
land
use
compatibility
guidelines
from
The
Province.
We
need
to
designate
the
site
is
class.
Four.
L
The
noise
bylaw
accordingly,
so
that
sort
of
concludes
my
overview
briefly
of
sort
of
what
we're
looking
at
the
situations,
the
concerns
and
the
issues
that
we
have
and
and
why
that
mitigation
agreement
is
supposed
to
be
in
place
prior
to
the
change
of
use.
Thanks
and
I
am
available
for
questions,
as
is
Kim
Mullen
from
woodbull
legal
counsel
to
Canadian
banknote
thanks.
N
No
question
just
a
quick
comment:
I
appreciate
your
concern
with
this
and
I
agree
that
you
should
have
a
signed
agreement
before
this
proceeds,
but
I
think
we
heard
from
councilor
Lieber.
He
also
agrees
with
that,
and
so
you
know
I
know.
Sometimes
these
things
require
a
bit
of
a
push.
So
I
am
planning
to
support
this
today.
N
K
AI
The
the
plant
receives
shipments
regularly
from
both
our
other
facility
on
Richmond
Road
and
from
places
as
far
away
as
Mexico
and
the
United
States.
We
don't
get
to
control
the
Beeper
sound
on
those
vehicles
and
our
loading
dock
is
directly
across
from
the
facility
that
is
going
to
be
built.
Under
this
proposal
we
can't
add
more
space
between
the
the
two
facilities
and
we
can't
affect
the
the
fact
that
these
vehicles
will
all
have
beepers
on
them
and
they
all
have
to
back
into
our
building.
AI
I
I
think
that
you
know
what
we
haven't
been
talking
about,
or
enough
is
the
impact
on
the
residents
of
this
and
the
importance
that
the
right
warning
Clauses
be
in
place
for
anybody
that's
going
to
to
be
occupying
the
buildings
that
they
understand
what
we're
up
against,
because
class
four
doesn't
deal
with
beeper
noise,
it's
unregulated
noise.
The
same
will
be
true
of
the
snow
removal
efforts
that
will
go
on
in
our
parking
lot.
AI
That
is
also
across
the
street
from
this
facility,
and
that
typically
has
to
happen
about
5
30
in
the
morning,
because
we
have
a
7
A.M
shift
change.
So
it
isn't
going
to
be
ideal,
I
mean
I,
think
it
was
said
by
one
of
the
presenters
that
this
is
an
ideal
location
for
residential
intensification.
It
isn't
actually,
it
would
be
ideal
for
commercial
intensification,
but
I
recognize
that
the
city
wants
residential
here.
It's
just
that.
AI
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
are
going
to
live
there
understand
what
they're
going
to
have
to
put
up
with,
because
we
can't
move
and
we
can't
change
our
processes.
So
this
is
not
a
thing
to
be
glossed
over.
It's
a
really
important,
Municipal
issue,
and-
and
so
rushing
this
through
is
a
big
mistake.
K
AI
K
A
AC
I
AC
M
M
What
Ms
McQuaid
stated
in
her
presentation
in
regards
to
the
Tiff
Gladstone
site,
so
my
client's
site
is
to
be
designated
as
class
4
as
per
NPC
300
we've
agreed
to
that,
and
that's
certainly
something
that
the
city
will
be
proceeding
going
forward.
So
that's
the
first
step
in
terms
of
addressing
noise
that
will
be
emanating
from
the
CBN
site
and,
secondly,
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
that
CBN.
Yes,
it
is
an
existing
industrial
use,
however,
to
the
west
of
it
is
existing
residential.
M
This
is
still
a
growing
residential
community
and
I.
Think
that's
important
for
counselors
to
note
as
well
now
coming
back
to
what
Ms
McQuaid
said.
So
the
first
step
is
designating
class
4
under
NPC
300.
My
client
has
certainly
agreed
to
that
in
regards
to
a
signed
mitigation
agreement
between
CBN
and
my
client.
There
certainly
have
been
very
active
discussions
over
the
last
number
of
weeks
in
particular
certainly
started
months
ago,
a
number
of
weeks,
and
you
know
we
really.
M
That
requires
an
amendment
to
the
city's
noise
bylaw
that
our
client,
my
client,
has
also
agreed
to
and
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
Mr
Mark
that
it's
certainly
the
city's
intention
to
go
forward
in
regards
to
that
now
and
to
answering
your
question
counselor,
that's
just
by
way
of
context
and
background
to
answer
your
question.
My
client's
entire
site
is
not
actually
complies
with
the
class
for
noise
designation
for
the
majority
of
it,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
M
The
southerly
portion
of
the
site,
closer
towards
Gladstone
is
further
away
from
the
anticipated
noise
Source
from
the
noise
sources,
the
existing
and
future
noise
sources
on
the
CVN
site,
so
that
the
southerly
portioned
towers,
one
and
two,
the
studies
indicate-
does
indeed
comply
with
the
class
for
a
noise
designation
levels.
So
there
there's
no
issue
there
based
on
the
studies
to
date,
the
more
Northern
on
the
end
of
the
site,
which
is
Tower
three,
which
is
where
the
loading
dock
is
and
what
have
you?
M
There
is
more
noise
exposure
for
Tower
through
the
Northerly
end
of
the
site,
and
that's
why
there
have
been
discussions,
including
a
commitment
for
my
client
to
help
pay
for
the
cost
of
relocating
the
loading
dock.
Again,
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
get
into
details,
but
there
have
been
direct
discussions
to
provide
financial
assistance
to
CBN
so
that
they
may
do
on-site.
AC
M
That
is
correct
and
yes,
there
there
might
be
levels
of
hold
honestly
through
the
chair
just
in
terms
of
recognizing
that
the
site
does
have
different
possible
noise,
exposures
and-
and
there
have
been
discussions
again
with
my
client
and
the
city
staff
directly
and
some
and
cbn's
involvement
as
well.
Okay,.
AC
If,
in
fact,
a
a
noise
mitigation
agreement
hasn't
already
been
signed
by
the
time
we
get
to
council
and
my
strong
urging
to
both
parties
is
get
that
agreement
signed
before
we
get
to
council,
but
if
not
I'll
be
seeking
that
that
whole
provision
in
the
the
zoning
which
sounds
like
it
is
agreeable
to
to
at
least
see
all
these.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
A
AJ
AC
I
just
thought
of
something
I'm
I'm
interested
in
giving
directions
to
staff,
so
I
would
ask
staff.
Would
you
be
willing
to
take
that
direction,
to
work
with
CBN
and
with
clv
to
create
language
for
council's
consideration?
That
would
amend
the
zoning
with
a
hold,
but
that
would
not
be
lifted
until
such
time
as
there
was
a
mutually
agreed
upon
noise
mitigation
agreement
between
clv
and
CBN.
AK
AK
AC
And
Mr
Mark.
What
would
the
understanding
that
Ms
Mullins
spoke
to
Nuance
in
the
language
of
that
holding
Zone,
but,
as
you've
heard
the
conversation
thus
far?
What
would
what
would
a
hold
on
the
zoning
pen
that
could
only
be
lifted
with
a
mutually
agreed
upon
agreement
between
the
parties
on
noise
mitigation?
What
would
that
do
to
clv's
ability
to
move
forward
without
having
that
mutually
agreed
upon
agreements
in
place.
AC
AC
AJ
Well,
Mr
chair:
if
the
language
in
the
age
states
that
the
holding
Zone
may
only
be
lifted
upon,
satisfatically
evidence
being
provided
to
the
city
that
an
agreement
has
been
executed
between
CBN
and
the
developer
is
unclear
to
me
how
the
city
could
lawfully
lift
the
age
unless
there
was
an
agreement
signed
by
both
parties
and
if
the
city
proceeded
to
do
so.
I
CBN
has
not
been
shy.
K
Thank
you,
while
I
have
to
mark
up
just
in
terms
of
the
the
whole
Vapor
issue.
What
can
counsel
do
on
that?
Is
there?
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do
in
terms
of
putting
a
bylaw
through
I
know,
we've
been
through
this
and
and
and
it's
complicated
does
it
have
to
be
done
at
the
provincial
level
because
it
just
keeps
coming
up?
I've
had
complaints
about
private
properties
such
as
a
shopping
mall
when
they're
clearing
their
snow
and
bothering
the
building
next
door?
But
it's
always
been
a
frustrating
point.
AJ
Mr
chair
as
I
as
I
sit
here:
I'm,
not
aware
of
a
municipal
Tool
that
would
allow
the
city
to
regulate
the
use
of
backup
beepers.
If
you
will,
by
by
Third
parties,
I
I
heard
the
counselor
mention
the
example
of
Light
Rail
and,
of
course,
Light
Rail
is
under
City
control.
So
we
have
tools
as
the
landowner
there
that
we
would
not
have
in
this
case,
I'm
not
aware
of
a
tool
that
we
have.
K
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
that
was
moved
earlier
by
councilor
leaper.
We
should
begin
with
that.
This
was
the
motion
on
the
community
benefits
charge.
If
I
remember
correctly,
is
that
motion
carried
period
carried
okay
and
then
the
overall
report
recommendations,
as
amended
by
the
motion
for
951
Gladstone,
Avenue
and
145
Loretta
Avenue
North,
are
the
recommendations
carried
as
amended.
A
Okay
thanks
everyone
for
the
discussion
and
I
guess
it's
one
to
watch
at
Council
coming
up
in
a
couple
weeks.
I
am
going
to
hand
over
the
chair
for
a
little
bit
to
counselor
Moffett
or
chair
Moffett.
The
next
item
is
4.8.
The
zoning
bile
Amendment
for
11
11
print
to
Wales
drive
and
Council
of
Brockington
has
rejoined
as
well
Scott
over
to
you.
A
Y
You
so
much
I
gotta
get
these
in
while
I
can.
My
relevance
is
quickly
approaching
so
we're
at
item
4.8
zoning
by
law,
Amendment
for
11
11
Prince
of
Wales
Drive,
so
I
was
not
here.
When
we
went
through
the
agenda,
we
don't
have
any
delegations
on
this,
but
I.
Imagine
maybe
Council
Brock
didn't
want
to
speak
to
it.
Y
C
S
Thank
you
very
much.
So
chair
moffatt
members
of
the
committee,
the
application
that's
been
brought
before
you
this
morning,
is
an
effort
to
avert
what
we
have
characterized
as
a
potential
parking
crisis
associated
with
the
existing
use
of
11
11
Prince
of
Wales
drive
next
slide,
please
so.
The
property
at
11,
known
as
11
11
Prince
Wales
Drive,
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
Heron
road
and
Prince
of
Wales
Drive.
S
Next
slide,
please
if
they
lose
those
160
parking
spaces.
The
question
is:
where
are
those
people
going
to
park?
You
can
see
you
can
see.
It's
the
image
Green
Valley,
Crescent,
Rito
Terrace
to
the
north
and
Forest
Hill
Avenue
to
the
South.
These
are
all
quiet
residential
streets,
but
they
may
be
faced
with
Cars
part
legally
or
illegally
on
those
streets
if
we
lose
the
parking
at
1107
Prince
of
Wales
drive,
and
we
don't
provide
an
alternative
for
these
tenants
just
to
digress
briefly.
S
S
This
is
what
the
landscape
plan
that
the
NCC
has
signed
off
on.
You
can
see
it
results
in
very
significant
and
intensive
tree
planting
at
the
intersection
of
Prince
of
Wales
drive
and
Harem
Road,
where
none
exists
today,
which
will
contribute
to
the
scenic
entry
route
along
Prince
of
Wales
drive
as
residents
and
tourists
travel
into
the
core
of
the
city.
S
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
with
staff.
On
this
proposal,
we
reached
an
understanding
as
to
how
we
could
move
forward
with
a
recommended
Amendment
to
the
zoning
that
would
allow
for
an
expansion
of
this
parking
lot.
I
want
to
be
abundantly
clear
that
our
client
has
no
interest
in
expanding
this
parking
lot
unless
they
are
forced
to
provide
or
replace
the
parking
that's
currently
to
the
north.
They
are
not
going
to
spend
north
of
a
million
dollars
on
a
parking
lot
that
they
don't
need.
S
S
In
our
discussions
with
staff,
we
came
up
with
a
zoning
solution
that
was
set
out
in
document
5
of
the
report
before
you
this
morning.
That
solution
would
be
to
approve
a
holding
provision
to
allow
a
temporary
parking
lot
conditional
upon
two
things
happening
funny.
You've
just
spent
some
time
talking
about
how
useful
a
holding
provision
can
be
to
prevent
something
from
happening
until
certain
things
have
occurred
or
haven't
occurred.
S
So
in
this
case
the
holding
provision
would
only
be
lifted
under
two
conditions:
one
that
the
owner
of
the
property
to
the
north,
that
is
to
ask,
is
Ashcraft.
Homes
has
actually
submitted
a
site
plan
application
for
the
development
of
that
property.
If
they
never
make
that
application
the
holding,
never
gets
lifted,
we
never
build
the
parking
lot.
The
second
condition
is
that
the
holding
will
only
be
lifted
if
at
that
time,
the
tender
has
not
been
issued
for
the
construction
of
the
Baseline
rapid
transit
route.
Why
is
that
condition?
S
There
is
because
the
only
reason
we
have
a
limitation
on
parking
on
this
site
is
because
of
its
proximity
to
that
brt,
but
that
brt
there
is
no
Financial
commitment
at
all
today
to
construct
it.
It
may
not
be
built
within
my
lifetime,
and
so
relying
on
a
high
level
of
Transit
service
for
this
property
is
unrealistic
in
the
short
term.
It's
unrealistic
until
there's
a
commitment
to
construction
of
the
brt.
S
Y
All
right,
thank
you
Murray,
so
we
just
so.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me
or
you
can
ask
us
right
now
and
we'll
say
we
do
have
staff
here
as
well,
for
this
file
Tracy
scaramazzino
from
announcing
that
to
pronouncing
that
correctly.
So
it
is
an
application
to
refuse
what's
in
front
of
us.
So
if
you
have
questions
for
Marie
or
staff,
we'll
start
with
Murray,
first
and
counselor
leaper.
AC
S
We
want
to
have
the
approvals
in
place
so
that
we
can
react
quickly,
should
Ashcroft
file
a
site
plan
application.
We
can't
start
the
process
after
Ash
graph
files,
a
site
plan
application
we
couldn't
possibly
get
through
the
process
of
a
zoning
approval,
a
site
plan,
approval
and
construction
of
a
parking
lot
in
time
to
meet
the
need,
should
Ashcroft
proceed
with
a
site
plan
application.
So
this
is
a
contingency
plan.
That's
all
it
is,
and
the
holding
will
make
sure
that
nothing
happens
on
site
unless
Ashcroft
pulls
the
trigger
on
a
site
plan
application.
S
But
we
want
the
contingency
plan
in
place
so
that
we
can.
Our
client
can
react
quickly,
should
Ashcroft
give
them
notice,
saying
you
have
to
be
off
our
site
within
the
next
30
days
or
the
next
60
days.
We
need
to
have
the
approvals
in
place,
so
they
can
move
ahead
with
the
construction
of
the
parking
lot
on
extremely
short
notice.
Do.
AC
S
We
do,
they
were
filed
concurrently,
they're
being
proposed,
says
concurrently
and
that's
actually,
what
led
to
the
discussions
with
the
national
capital
commission
was
the
site
plan
application
and
some
back
and
forth
with
them
on
the
landscape,
planets
associated
with
that
site
plan
application.
So.
AC
AC
There
is
no
brt
at
this
location
today
and
there's
you
know
significant
question
marks
around
when
brt
will
actually
come
down,
but
it's
not
entirely
unserviced
by
transit,
correct.
There
is
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
nearest
LRT
station,
but
there
are
LRT
stations
and
then
I
think
it's
I'm,
sorry
I'm
going
to
show
my
age,
here's,
the
118
or
whatever
they
it's,
the
118,
still
Riley.
S
The
the
level
of
bus
service
here
is
I
would
suggest
poor,
it's
and
and
the
as
reflected
in
the
aerial
photograph.
That
was
in
our
slide
presentation.
You
know
that
parking
is
being
used,
it's
being
used
by
the
current
tenants
and
it's
being
used
by
the
current
tenants,
given
the
current
level
of
bus
service,
unless
there's
a
dramatic
increase
in
the
level
of
bus
service
to
the
site,
there's
not
going
to
be
a
change
in
the
commuting
patterns
of
the
employees
that
work
in
this
building.
S
Y
AC
AK
AL
They
do
fall
into
the
area
where
there
is
a
maximum
placed
on
the
number
of
person,
spaces,
permitted,
I,
believe
I'm,
just
checking
my
notes
here.
It's
sorry,
it's
I
think
120
yeah
127
parking
spaces
would
be
permitted
at
this
point.
That
would
be
the
maximum
number
of
spaces
and
right
now
they
currently
have.
They
currently
exceed
that
number,
with
163
already
on
site,
plus
the
additional
parking
spaces
that
they
rent.
So
they
do
they
do.
They
are
using
quite
a
significant
number
of
parking
spaces
at
this.
At
this
time,.
R
W
R
Y
AL
No
I
would
say
short
answer
is
no
I
can
go
into
further
details
if
required,
but
no,
the
provincial
policy
statement
does
speak
to
encouraging
Transit
supportive
uses
does
encourage
the
development
to
be
aware
of
current
and
impending
climate
change
activities
that
are
happening.
So
those
those
policies
would
not
be
met
through
the
addition
of
hard
surfacing
and
upper
parking
lot.
Y
Y
Roxanne
shadowing
and
the
it's
Marie
and
it's
Marie
again
staff
on
this
or
showman
Rashid.
So
it's
recommendation
to
approve
an
amendment
design
2008-250
for
3437
in
this
road
to
prevent
a
mixed-use
building
of
to
six
stories
in
height,
as
shown
in
document
one
in
document.
Three
I
don't
believe
we
have
a
staff
presentation
on
this
either,
but
we
do
have
a
sorry.
I
said
the
applicant
was
rocks
and
that's
the
delegation
I'm.
So
sorry,
I'm
reading
my
words
wrong.
So
we
will
go
to
the
applicant
first
I.
S
A
AM
Thank
you
very
much,
so
it's
proposed
there.
My
name
is
Ryan
poulton
I'm,
a
planner
at
novatech
and
novatech
acted
as
the
agent
to
prepare
and
file
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
application
for
3437
in
this
road.
It's
proposed
to
rezone
the
property
amid
a
six-story,
mixed-use
building
and
next
slide.
Please.
AM
AM
It's
at
the
intersection
of
Innis
Road
and
pastry
Road
to
the
north.
It's
a
large
residential
lot.
It's
the
East
there's
a
strip
mall
on
the
east
side
of
Paget
road
to
the
South.
There
is
a
residential
I'm.
Sorry,
there
is
a
retirement
residence
and
also
further
yourself,
there's
additional
residential
development
and
then
to
the
West.
There
is
an
existing
residential
subdivision,
comprised
of
single
detached
dwellings
and
townhouse
dwellings
immediately
to
the
east
of
34-37,
and
this
road
is
34-43
in
this
road.
It's
a
lot.
AM
It
was
rezoned
in
2019
to
permit
a
six-story
mixed-use
building
and
at
the
time
the
owners
were
attempting
to
acquire
three
four
three
seven
in
this
road
subsequent
to
the
rezoning
of
3443
in
this
road.
They
were
able
to
require
34-37
in
this
road,
and
now
it's
proposed
to
develop
two
together
with
the
mixed-use
building.
AM
E
AM
Please
so
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
with
City
staff
to
determine
what
an
appropriate
transition
is
between
on
the
site
at
3437
in
this
road
between
the
six-story
mixed-use
building
and
the
residential
subdivisions
of
the
West.
You
can
see
at
the
top
these
there's
like
lot
lines
as
well
as
addresses
of
properties,
and
this
is
the
solution
we
came
to
after
a
lot
of
back
and
forth.
AM
Essentially
what
the
solution
was
is
to
provide
a
7.5
meter
yard
from
the
Western
property
line
that
would
be
landscaped
and
which
point
then
the
height
limit
would
be
11
meter,
three-story
building,
then
there'd
be
a
step
back
at
that
11
meter
height
that
allows
for
a
height
transition.
That's
what
the
black
line
is
essentially
and
then
15.6
meters
from
the
property
line
would
be
the
start
of
where
Ace
six
story,
19.4
meter
building,
could
be
constructed.
AM
So
this
just
represents
the
side
view
you
an
elevation
of
a
potential
building
on
the
site
at
3437
in
this
road,
in
conjunction
with
3443
in
this
road,
and
these
setbacks
and
height
limits
are
reflected
in
the
height
schedule.
That's
attached
to
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
AM
AM
Next
slide.
Please,
and
so
this
is
a
document
two
attached
to
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment.
This
details
how
the
Zone
law
would
be
altered
through
this
Zone,
environment
application
and
so
I'll.
Just
jump
to
3D
are
the
site-specific
provisions
that
are
being
requested
through
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment.
AM
The
final
site-specific
provision
has
to
do
with
holding
symbol
and
staff
are
proposing
a
holding
symbol
on
the
property
that
won't
be
removed
until
a
site.
Client
control
application
is
approved.
So
this
is
a
separate
zoning,
bile,
Amendment
application
process,
there's
no
site
plan
control
for
this
site
and
one
of
a
site
plan
control
application
would
be
required
to
be
prepared
and
approved
by
staff
before
any
buildings
constructed.
So
this
is
just
sorting
up
the
zoning
details
in
anticipation
of
that
application.
Y
All
right,
thank
you,
Ryan,
so
we're
going
to
go
to
we're
going
to
go
to
the
the
delegation
first
and
then
we'll
come
back.
If
there's
any
questions
for
the
applicant
and
staff,
so,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
inappropriate
mention
but
corrected
myself
after
a
while
Roxanne
Shadow
Lane
is
the
the
delegation
on
this
item.
Roxanne,
hello,.
AN
AN
AN
AN
I
do
see
from
the
schedule
YY
that
the
setback
or
the
buffer
from
the
west
side
is
16.6
meters
from
the
sixth
story,
again
I'm,
not
in
the
building
industry.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
the
16.6
for
a
six
story
is
what
is
recommended,
but
I
would
definitely
hope
that
the
city
would
not
accept
anything
less
than
what
has
already
been
approved
as
far
as
recommendations
for
building
in
Orleans.
AN
The
other
thing
that
I've
noticed
is
that
it
was
recommended
that
there
are
minimum
Windows
along
the
west
side
of
the
proposed
building
against
again.
This
is
something
that's
really
nice
of
of
this
idea,
but
due
to
the
angle
of
the
building
and
the
position
of
the
low-rise
homes
on
the
west
side,
all
the
windows
from
the
north
side
of
the
building
will
have
a
direct
view
to
the
West
Side
homes,
removing
all
the
Privacy
from
existing
homes.
AN
I
know
that,
no
matter
what
there
will
be
able
to
a
building
which
is
fine
but
six
story,
building,
there's
a
lot
more
eyes.
Looking
at
you
than
a
three-story
building,
the
other
concern
that
the
community
had
was
I
was
lit.
I've
been
living
in
this
area
for
10
years
and
I
seriously
am
questioning
the
transportation
impact
assessment
report
that
was
submitted.
AN
The
report
says
there'll,
be
marginal
impact
on
peak
hours
for
traffic,
I'm
sure
the
track
the
city
already
knows,
and
are
aware
that
there's
already
an
existent
concern
with
the
traffic
and
parking
in
this
corner
of
the
city
of
Orleans,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
a
big
construction
like
that
would
not
impact
the
traffic.
So
I
don't
know
what
year
this
this
survey
was
done,
but
I
think
it's
it's
not
accurate.
T
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
Roxanne
for
being
here.
I
know
this
has
been
a
long
haul.
This
file
was
actually
active
before
I
was
even
counselor,
so
we're
talking
many
many
years
ago.
I
did
want
to
note
a
lot
of
what
you've
brought
up
will
be
a
part
of
the
site
site
land
control
application.
We
will
have
opportunities
to
kind
of
look
at
some
of
those
aspects
that
you're
you're
talking
about.
I
did
want
to
ask
too
that,
where
we're,
what
we're
looking
at
right
now,
we'll
have
that
transition.
T
So
as
close
to
the
back
of
your
home
and
your
neighbors,
we
are
looking
at
what
that
being
proposed
is
going
to
be
closer
to
the
three
story
as
opposed
to
the
six
which
I
know
originally
we're
looking
at
does
is
that
going
to
meet
some
of
the
concerns?
Maybe
not
what
you've
addressed
today,
but
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
initially
about
the
transition.
AN
Well,
I
think
the
transition
is
a
great
step
in
regards
to
making
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
us,
but
I
still
feel
that,
like
you
know,
best
20
six
story
building.
What
is
the
normal
setback
for
other
houses
on
the
side?
What
is
the
normal
setback?
So
is
it
only
15
when
you
get
a
16
story,
a
six-story
building.
T
Well,
I
I
think
you
know,
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
shout
out
to
Shoma,
who
is
the
city
planner
on
this,
because
she
has
been
absolutely
phenomenal.
The
whole
way
through
trying
to
work
on
this
and
work
with
the
developer,
to
make
sure
that
they're,
here
in
the
community
and
working
on
this
so
I
trust
that
the
setbacks
and
the
setbacks
that
she's
she's
proposing
do
meet
our
requirements.
T
I
do
think
there'll
be
plenty
of
opportunity
for
us
to
have
further
conversation
along
with
the
neighbors
to
kind
of
see
if
there
can
be
some.
You
know
tweaking
during
cycling
control
application,
but
I
did
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
because
it's
important
that
these
concerns
are
being
heard.
But
I
do
I
do
know
that
you're
correct
there
will
be
a
building
at
this
location
and
it
is
a
fronting
on
Innis
road.
So
it's
come
a
long
way.
T
T
T
Okay,
I
did
want
to
to
say,
and
as
I
noted
this
has
been,
this
was
even
before
my
election.
This
has
been
a
very
long
coming
file
and
I
did
want
to
say
that,
in
addition
to
City
South
doing
a
wonderful
job,
I
did
appreciate
that
the
developer
was
willing
to
work
with
staff,
the
community
myself
to
kind
of
address
some
of
those
concerns.
T
What
I
did
want
to
ask
about
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
other
details
where
we're
going
to
work
through
it's
like
plan
and
control
was
some
of
the
affordability.
You
know.
One
of
the
conversations
that
we're
constantly
having
as
counselors
with
our
community
is
affordability,
Within,
These
developments
and
I
understand
from
having
spoken
to
Murray
is
that
there
is
consideration
being
given
to
affordability
of
some
units
or
some
kind
of
contemplation
to
that.
Could
you
just
maybe
address
that.
S
T
Okay,
I
would
fully
support
having
some
affordability
incorporated
into
this
building.
I
know
that
as
we're
looking
at
planning
process
changes
and
inclusionary
Zoning,
that's
not
implemented
yet
I
do
appreciate
that.
There's
an
eagerness
to
kind
of
consider
that
and
knowing
that
that's
going
to
be
key
in
years
going
forward
as
we
try
to
find
people
homes
that
they
can
afford.
T
So
I
will
look
to
work
with
you
further
on
that,
as
well
as
I
would
encourage
you
to
just
kind
of
keep
into
account
the
need
for
any
buffers,
because,
although
it
is
three-story,
the
adjacent
homes
are
quite
close,
so
trees,
those
kind
of
things
we
can
work
on
that
later
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
work
and
I
do
want
to
do.
One
final
shout
out
to
say
stop.
This
has
been
years
in
the
works.
I
do
appreciate
it
greatly.
T
Y
All
right
they
just
like
since
I,
went
through
questions
to
staff
and
there
were
none
we'll
go
on
to
the
recommendation,
which
is,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
when
I'll
read
it
again.
That
planning
committee
recommended
Council
approval
amendment
to
joining
by
law
2008-250
for
3437
in
this
road
to
permit
a
mixed-use
building
of
up
to
six
stories
in
height,
as
shown
document
one
as
detailed
documents.
Two
and
three
and
two
that
playing
committee
approve
the
Constitutional
Constitution
details
section
of
this
report.
Y
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
Next
slide.
Please,
as
such
only
area
a
is
recommended
for
Urban
Development
area.
B
will
allow
for
the
potential
of
passive
public
recreational
pathways
under
the
zone
of
01r
or
o1r
and
area
e
c
will
not
permit
development
similar
to
the
bounds
of
the
lands
to
the
north
that
are
currently
zoned,
Environmental
Protection
within
what
we
know
as
the
provincially
significant
wetlands
area
next
slide
during
a
transition
period
from
the
old
to
the
new
official
plan,
a
zoning
amendment
can
proceed
when
a
proposal
is
consistent.
With
the
new
official
plan.
AO
The
request
of
zoning
Barlow
Amendment
aligns
with
these
policy
objectives
with
the
inclusion
of
the
holding
provision.
This
zoning
file,
Amendment
with
its
recommended
holding,
will
ensure
the
official
plan.
Redesignation
has
been
completed
and
site-specific
policies
of
the
Orleans
Corridor
secondary
plan
will
be
achieved
all
prior
to
the
approval
of
a
future
sipeline
control
application.
AO
X
I
X
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
this,
because
Shoma
has
already
reviewed
all
the
policies
and
thank
you
again
for
the
very
thorough
staff
report
just
again
to
situate.
We
are
we're
actually
within
200
meters
of
the
transit
station.
With
respect
to
policies,
we
are
relying
heavily
on
the
new
official
plan
we
are.
We
are
very
aware
of
that
and
the
the
new
OP
we
would
designate
these
lines
as
neighborhood
and
green
space.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
X
I
think
it's
it's
the
next
schedule
in
John's
presentation.
Yes,
thank
you.
We
we
fully
recognize
that
we
are
relying
heavily
on
those.
Those
policies
which
would
recognize
the
proximity
to
Transit
would
recognize
that
we
are
within
an
area
that
is
a
target
area
for
intensification
within
the
Suburban
transect,
and
we've
also
are
relying
on
the
policies
of
the
secondary
plan.
X
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
the
second
slide,
so
we
have
been
working
with
the
policy
Branch
David,
Maloney
and
others
in
response
to
that
secondary
plan.
So,
to
be
honest,
the
secondary
plan
did
a
lot
of
the
heavy
lifting
in
terms
of
the
public
consultation
for
this
piece,
because
we
attended
all
the
public
meetings.
X
The
concept
was
very
front
and
center
as
to
what
we
were
intending
to
do
on
these
lands,
and
the
proposal
for
the
the
the
four
buildings
are
very
much
embedded
into
the
policies
of
the
secondary
plan.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
and
we
understand,
the
sequence
is
a
little
off.
The
policies
of
the
secondary
plan
as
they
relate
to
this
site
have
been
dropped
into
our
holding
provision.
This
is
certainly
the
planning
committee
of
holding
Provisions.
X
X
It
corresponds
with
what
what
you're
seeing
here,
the
development
area
of
the
buildings
it
does
not
encroach
into
the
EP
Zone
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
the
rear
portion
of
the
lands
that
are
currently
Zone
development.
Reserve,
as
committee
knows,
that's
a
holding
zone
for
future
development
is
being
rezoned
to
open
space
further
separating
the
development
area
to
the
edge
of
the
Wetland,
which
is
the
northernmost
blue
hatched
line.
So
we
are
staying
out
of
those
areas.
We
are
not
impacting
those
areas.
X
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
some
delegations
that
are
going
to
show
some
discomfort
with
that.
What
I
can
do
for
now
is
is
list
you,
the
the
reports
and
studies
that
they
may
not
be
aware
of,
and
I
am
sympathetic
to
their
concerns
because
they
may
not
be
aware
of
all
the
work
that's
been
going
on
for
the
last
two
to
three
years,
but
there
was
numerous
environmental
reports,
including
species
at
risk.
There
was
a
wetland
assessment
report.
There
was
a
Headwater
drainage
feature
assessment.
X
There
was
a
landslide
hazardous
assessment,
a
slope
stability
assessment
and
a
geotechnical
study.
All
of
those
things
were
intended
to
clearly
Define
the
area
of
the
EP
Zone,
clearly
delineate
the
extent
of
development
that
occurs,
and
also
to
be
mindful
that
there
are
potentially
slope
stability
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
studied.
These
reports
were
prepared,
submitted,
reviewed
by
staff
peer-reviewed
by
two
separate
companies,
including
one
I
understand
from
from
the
Netherlands
or
Holland
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
corrected,
Maybe
by
staff
and
a
company
from
from
British
Columbia.
X
The
short
answer
is:
all
of
these
reports
were
submitted
were
vetted,
were
reviewed
by
the
conservation
Authority.
All
of
those
things
were
factored
in
were
not
obtuse
to
the
obligation
to
properly
study
the
area
of
the
Environmental
Protection
line.
What
I'm
saying
to
you
is,
it
has
been
done,
at
least
in
particular,
for
the
purpose
of
zoning
recall
that
we
have
a
a
site
plan,
control
application
as
well.
X
Those
studies
will
be
further
refined,
for
instance,
there's
correspondence
submitted
that
that
you
know
highlights
potential
flooding
with
the
access
off
of
Tweedle
Road
into
the
development.
Those
are
all
things
that
are
addressed
through
site
plan.
Obviously
it's
it's
not
that
the
developer
is
dismissing
those,
but
we
will
look
at
those
things
very
carefully
and
the
developer
share
is
the
same
interest
as
some
of
the
delegations
to
have
a
building
that
doesn't
flood
and
doesn't
negatively
impact
the
natural
environment.
So
I'll
leave
my
comments
to
that.
X
Y
G
That's
fine
because
I
I
was
also
connected
via
phone
and
I
sent
Kelly
a
note
previously
saying
that
I
had
internet
challenges
at
my
home
and
that
I
would
probably
connect
visually
via
the
Internet,
the
audio
being
via
phone.
So
I
guess
that
sort
of
never
happened,
but
it
seems
the
internet's
working
fine
now
so
I'm
good
okay.
Y
Y
Y
AP
AP
AK
AP
AP
Thank
you:
well,
the
Green
Space
Alliance
of
Canada's
capital,
very
much
favors,
good
urban
planning
and
development,
and
this
resulting
and
development
application,
however,
is
one
that
we
urge
you
to
reject.
You
should
have
received
a
copy
of
the
Green
Space
alliance's
written
submission,
which
highlights
very
serious
concerns
and
includes
a
suggestion
for
a
win-win
solution.
AP
It
includes
comments
presented
two
years
ago
when
the
previous
iteration
of
this
proposal
circulated
as
1009
trim
Road.
Despite
our
previous
well-researched
intervention,
we
were
not
canvas
for
this
new
iteration
and
our
previous
comments
were
completely
ignored
in
the
report.
Recommending
approval,
I
won't
repeat
all
the
very
valid
extremely
serious
concerns
raised.
There
just
highlights
some
key
concerns.
AP
The
proposed
development
is
outright
Reckless
will
harm
a
uniquely
valuable
Natural
Area
of
our
city
and
could
endanger
human
lives.
The
staff
report
claims
there
are
no
risks
involved
with
this
development,
even
though
its
four
enormous
buildings
sitting
on
film
spread
on
a
floodplain
immediately
adjacent
to
a
sensitive
provincially,
significant
Wetland,
The
Fill
was
allowed
nearly
20
years
ago
under
old
rules
under
zoning
that
permits,
perhaps
a
small
structure
not
meant
for
multiple
giant
Towers.
AP
It's
a
changing
Shoreline
hit
by
Rising
Waters,
with
increasing
frequency.
The
parking
entrance
would
be
on
a
road
that
gets
totally
submerged
during
floods,
which
happen
with
increasing
frequency,
the
foundations
and
the
underground
parking
would
require
Perpetual
Perpetual
mitigation
measures
to
counter
water
filtration,
can't
help,
but
think
about
the
recent
building
collapse
in
Miami,
reportedly
caused
by
just
a
small
undetected.
Swimming
pool
water
filtration.
AP
The
city
should
exercise
due
diligence
and
duty
of
care
verify
the
proposals.
Engineering
claims
with
truly
independent
engineering
reviews
not
hired
by
the
applicant.
The
report
also
claims
there
would
be
no
environmental
impacts
of
concern.
This
is
simply
unbelievable
years
of
heavy
construction,
with
noise
and
runoff
at
a
sensitive
Wetland
which
harbor
several
several
species
at
risk,
anchoring
a
massive
wall
of
concrete,
with
glass
and
lights,
on
the
nesting
area
and
path
of
migratory
Birds.
AP
The
claim
that
the
city
has
burst
safe
guidelines
is
a
red
herring,
they're,
voluntary
and
even
if
applied,
they
don't
remove
a
massive
wall
of
buildings.
From
a
strictly
planning
process
perspective,
this
zoning
approval
is
being
rushed
before
a
new
Council
seats
and
before
a
new
official
plan
is
approved.
The
Highway
174
Corridor
secondary
plan
is
not
yet
in
effect,
it's
supposed
to
be
brought
in
as
an
amendment
After
official
plan
approval
which
could
be
appealed.
AP
This
alone
justifies
deferring
application
until
those
plans
are
in
place,
but
there's
more.
This
is
not
an
existing
neighborhood
being
encouraged
to
intensify
it's
a
new
Greenfield
development
on
the
periphery
of
the
urban
area.
In
the
zoning
bylaw
review
for
neighborhoods,
this
type
of
ultra
dense
high-rise
development
is
not
contemplated.
AP
It
cannot
be
characterized
as
a
15-minute
neighborhood
and
cannot
be
considered
a
hub.
It's
on
the
periphery
of
Urban,
Development
and
hubs
should
be
Central.
Proximity
to
an
LRT
station
is
giving
us
a
rationale
for
approval.
However,
the
new
official
plan
will
accept.
Moody
Drive
LRT
station
from
Hub
type,
intensification
and
similar
accommodation
could
be
considered
here
due
to
the
floodplain
location,
a
very
important
conservation
site
for
the
city
and
overall
Green
Space
protection.
AP
AP
Finally,
this
application
perhaps
presents
a
unique
opportunity
for
a
swap
of
city
land
to
move
the
proposed
development
closer
to
Highway
174,
actually
help
develop
an
actual
hub
that
could
also
help
make
the
entire
shoreline
along
jandark's
a
city-owned,
protected
Green
Space,
enhancing
protection
and
safe
Recreation
around
Petrie
Island.
The
proponent
could
use
an
equivalent
area,
for
example,
in
the
current
work
areas
near
the
trim,
road
to
LRT
station,
an
actual
potential
Hub,
far
safer
with
far
less
risks
and
liabilities.
AP
AP
We
know,
municipalities
approve
developments
on
flat
cleans
because
assistance
and
Recovery
costs
currently
fall
on
provincial
and
federal
governments,
I
on
a
personal
basis,
weren't
Federal
in
Council,
in
early
2019,
against
relying
on
gas
tax
transfers
to
fund
the
LRT
stage
two,
because
those
could
disappear
that
was
ignored.
It
happened
and
now
the
city's
carried
rocketing.
It's
there
to
cover
shortfall.
I
tell
you
here
that
with
more
flooding,
both
the
provinces
and
the
FEDS
will
very
likely
cut
those
expenses
and
put
a
lot
on
municipalities
that
prove
the
building
on
Flatlands.
AP
Whilst
it
stands,
we
will
see
probably
the
city
and
future
residents
most
likely
left
on
the
hook
for
dealing
with
floods,
water
damage
in
a
possible
collapse.
So
please
reject
the
application,
and
perhaps,
after
rejecting
it,
consider
engaging
that
proponent
for
the
win-win
proposal
we
mentioned.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
J
You
very
much
chair
thanks
JP
for
your
presentation,
I'm,
just
wondering
about
your
own
knowledge
of
the
RV
Cas
response
to
this
I
I.
You
know
it
says
in
the
report:
they've
accepted
the
30
meter
proximity
but
I,
don't
see
any
other
comments
from
them.
So
I'm
just
wondering
your
knowledge
of
the
conservation,
Authority's
response
to
this
and
then
secondarily
the
flooding
that
that
may
have
occurred
here.
AP
Yes,
certainly,
can
you
hear
me
thank
you
RVCA
we
contacted
them.
The
official
the
analyst
responsible
for
the
for
the
file
is
away,
has
been
away
for
a
few
weeks
and
we
could
not
hear
from
him
the
other
analysts
we
had
contacted
two
years
ago
when
they
had
serious
questions
and
concerns
did
not
know
why
it
was
okay
to
have
30
meters
when
it's
normally
120
meters.
AP
C
W
Thank
you
for
that
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
concerns
for
sure
I
mean
we
have
some
concerns
in
Canada
as
well
about
you
know,
any
developments
close
to
where
potentially
we
could
have
flooding
and
we've
had
flooding
recently
so
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
they've
come
to
me
as
well
from
cafes,
so
they're
they're
more
concerning
than
maybe
just
my
own,
but
the
2004
infill
that
you're
talking
about
you
said
you're,
not
sure
it
could
handle
this
many
buildings.
Where
are
you
getting
that
concern
from
like
your?
AP
That
it
can't
that
one
I
did
hear
I
did
raise
this
with
the
other
analysts
from
RVCA.
That
had
done
the
previous
review
two
years
ago,
and
he
said
he
explained
to
me
that
that
field
was
done
with
under
well
considered
an
approving
2004,
with
the
current
zoning
in
mind
that
they
did
not
know,
then
that
someone
would
think
of
building
for
height
Rises
there
and
that
it.
It
is
on
the
flat
plane
and
it
was
under
old
rules
and
that
probably
today
they
would
not
allowed.
W
Okay,
I'll
have
to
ask
the
follow-up
question
to
staff,
then.
My
second
question
to
you,
then,
is
you're
suggesting
a
different
proposal
that
you
know,
because
you
don't.
You
think
this
is
on
the
outskirts,
that
it
isn't
planned
to
be
a
hub
that
there's
a
different
proposal,
but
this
is
private
land
owned
by
a
developer.
Your
proposal:
do
you
know
that
they
own
some
like
the
same
land
in
another
location
that
they
could
just
build
there
instead,
because
this
is
this:
is
the
land
they
own
that
they're
trying
to
develop.
AP
So
buyer
beware:
I'd,
say
the
proposal
that
we
are
putting
forward
personally:
I'm,
not
keen
on
the
city,
subsidizing
private
businesses
to
maximize
their
profits,
but
the
Green
Space
Alliance
is
presenting
to
the
point
that
the
city
owns
land
that
could
actually
be
considered
more
of
of
a
hub
or
could
help
develop
a
hub
areas
around
the
trim,
Road
LRT
station,
for
example,
and
through
of
the
city
frankly.
But
that
way
the
city
could
acquire
this
space
and
actually
be
part
of
the
Petrie
Island.
AP
It
is
part
of
the
Petrie
Island
Wetland,
geographically,
the
fact
that
the
province
drew
the
border
and
a
very
capricious
border,
as
you
could
see
in
Mr
nurse's,
drawing
yeah
the
city.
Actually,
this
could
be
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
really
protect
and
have
good
recreational
use
and
and
conservation
use
for
for
this
area.
The
city
owns
a
lot
of
land,
including
nearby,
so
we
weren't
saying
that
the
developer
has
other
landing
area.
The
city
could
do
a
swap
and
benefit
the
city
actually.
Y
Just
to
be
clear
on
the
zoning,
then
the
developer
and
just
any
applicant,
you
buy
land,
that's
Zone
development
Reserve,
it's
zoned
that
way,
because
it's
it's
slated
for
future
development.
The
only
thing
that's
to
be
determined
is
what
type
of
development,
and
then
people
apply
that
you'll
apply
the
zoning
that
fits
what
your
fossil
is
so.
AP
Y
Y
AP
AQ
AQ
So
normally
buildings
are
not
allowed
to
be
constructed
within
120
meters
of
wetlands.
So
I
really
don't
understand
why
this
was
Exempted
and
how
that
happened.
When
the
project
is
complete,
it
will
include
restaurants,
a
spa
and
other
amenities
which
would
draw
people
from
the
public.
It
would
be
also
a
concern
with
vehicles
and
noise
in
that
area
adversely
affecting
Wildlife
as
well.
AQ
AQ
The
proposed
The
Proposal
includes
adding
more
rock
and
gravel,
which
are
less
porous
than
Wetlands,
which
are
wetlands
act
like
a
sponge
and
when
there's
flooding
they
absorb
a
lot
more
of
the
the
water.
But
when,
when
you
have
rocks
and
and
pavement
that,
then
what
it
does
is
it's
going
to
partially
protect
the
buildings,
but
it's
going
to
increase
the
amount
of
water,
that's
going
to
rise
further
and
further
farther
away
as
well.
So,
no
doubt
the
climate
crisis
will
increase.
AQ
Y
H
Afternoon,
chair
moffatt,
chair,
Gower,
counselors
good
to
see
you
all
congratulations
on
in
all
cases,
I
believe
big
wins
this
week
and
it's
good
to
see
you
all
back
again
in
the
case
of
chair,
Moffett,
I,
know
I'll,
take
this
opportunity.
We
normally
see
what
the
environment
committee
so
I
want
to.
Thank
you
for
your
service
there
for
your
service
here
and
know
you're
moving
on
to
Greater
challenges
Scott.
So
we
wish
you
all.
The
best
I
am
going
to
run,
wrap
up.
H
It
appears
here
today
because
much
of
what
we
would
like
to
say
has
been
mentioned
to
you
already
next
slide
clerk.
If
you
could
I
think
you
know
who
cafes?
Who
and
what
cafes
is
we
represent
people
across
the
city,
many
who
voted
for
you
folks
this
week
and
a
number
of
community
associations
and
citizens
associations
as
well.
Next
slide,
please
good!
H
H
The
staff
report
acknowledges
part
of
this
building
and
part
of
this
application
is
within
the
100
Year
floodplain.
We
know
when
it
was
rejected.
Two
years
ago
the
the
proponents
were
asked
to
return
post-approval
of
this
of
the
official
plan,
we're
all
still
waiting
for
where
the
flood
plane
will
move
to
a
one
in
three
350
a
year
level.
H
H
Be
blunt,
sir,
is
because
the
community
found
out
about
this
reapplication
nine
days
ago
in
the
middle
of
an
election
campaign,
and
we
have
struggled
to
bring
people
to
the
attempt
this
to
the
attention
of
folks,
including
the
community
at
large
and
in
so
far
as
we've
been
unable
to
have
a
discussion
with
the
counselor
Matt
luloff
as
well,
given
the
short
time
frame
next
slide,
please,
but
what
we
will
show.
You
are
some
pictures
here
today.
H
So
the
dream
of
the
developers
is
on
the
left
and
you'll
see
a
lot
of
land
around
three
towers.
That
was
an
iteration
I
believe,
but
when
coming
from
two
to
the
four
you
see
in
front
of
you
today
and
on
the
right,
unfortunately,
is
real.
That's
May,
2019
and
the
same
piece
of
land.
All
the
way
to
Jean,
dark,
Boulevard
submerged
in
water
and
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words.
H
Y
H
H
H
B
H
I,
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
take
a
a
look
at
it.
You
can
actually
find
the
entire
slide
on
YouTube.
We,
it
was
two
minutes,
we
condensed
it,
but
the
point
of
the
matter
is
that
this
is
real.
This
is
not
climate
change,
as
we
try
and
imagine
at
20
years
from
now.
This
has
happened
already
on
this
site
and
really
what
we
have
on
this
site
is
a
wetland
Kelly.
H
Thank
you
next
slide.
Please
Ellie
will
zip
along
here.
I've
lost
my
time,
but
I
I
will
make
an
effort
not
to
repeat
so
truly
when
this
first
application
was
was
rejected.
Two
years
ago,
implementation
was
reliant
on
approval
of
the
op
and
Adoption
of
the
174
Corridor
secondary
plan.
To
the
earlier
point
about
the
views
of
the
RVCA.
In
the
few
days
we've
had
to
look
at
this
application.
H
We
could
not
find
a
clear
statement
from
the
RVCA,
and
so,
if
Council
and
if
committee
could
in
fact
get
that
statement
and
make
it
clear
to
the
community
what
the
position
is
we'd
appreciate
it
next
slide.
Please
also
to
this
whole
concept
of
this
rushed
approval
process.
We
also
identified
the
the
worry
about
the
Wetland
and
the
infield
dropped
in
2004.
H
Mr
Trombley
talks
about
the
examinations
that
have
been
done.
They've
not
been
shared
with
the
community.
I
agree,
agree,
devops
has
it
has
the
material,
but
in
a
in
an
a
bit
with
an
ability
to
consult
with
our
elected
officials
with
the
counselors
with
counselor
luloff
who's
writing.
This
is
in
and
to
to
talk
to
others.
We
have
not
had
that
time
and
we
also
wonder
where
the
objective
engineering
opinion
is
to
assure
us
that
this
is
in
fact
a
reasonable
development
for
this
site.
Next
slide,
please.
H
Why
would
we
ask
for
that?
This
is
why
Sunrise
Miami
June
2021
a
leaking
swimming
pool.
98
people
died
I'm
sure
when,
when
the
engineering
was
originally
done
and
had
it
been
followed
and
human
error
not
occurred,
things
would
be
much
different,
but
human
factors
take
over
after
developments
are
built.
H
H
So
we
say
to
you:
this
is
already
a
hub.
A
wetland,
Hub
and
I've
heard
creative
conversations
from
the
experts
on
this
file.
Green
Space
Alliance
from
a
community
perspective
they've
been
involved
in
this
file
for
a
long
long
time.
There
is
other
land
available
here,
but
this
is
a
hub.
We've
decided
as
a
city
to
draw
up
a
Transit
Hub
nearby.
Why
don't
we
develop
it
as
a
wetland
Hub
that
can
be
shared
by
all
the
community?
That's
not
invasive!
H
H
Next
slide,
please!
So
why
the
rush?
We
brought
the
Road
Runner
to
remind
you
that
the
lp
is
not
completed
and
the
174
Corridor
secondary
plan
is
not
con
completed
and
next
slide.
Please,
like
many
of
you
have
said
today
and
I'm
going
from
memory
now,
chair
Gower.
Why
are
we
in
such
a
whirlwind
to
councilor
leaper's
point
a
writ
is
a
perfect
solution
to
help
us
all
through
periods
of
election
and
allow
Fair
Community
participation.
H
There
are
only
three
of
us
here
today,
not
because
only
three
people
care
about
this
issue
and
I
know
you
all
know
that
we're
only
three,
because
that's
all
that
we
could
pull
together
at
the
last
minute.
We
would
ask
you
to
reject
this
we'd.
Ask
you
to
be
Visionary
and
create
a
wetland
Hub
that
all
of
Ottawa
can
share
and
failing
that
at
the
very
least,
Fair
communication,
Fair
Community
participation,
Fair
access
to
the
counselor
for
this
Ward
requires
a
deferral
today.
AC
Thank
you
very
much,
Barbara
and
I
appreciate
the
the
questions
that
you
have
given
us
this
afternoon.
I
have
not
had
anywhere
near
sufficient
time
to
be
able
to
review
this.
Some
of
the
red
flags
we're
only
getting
waived
last
night
and
I
think
this
warrants
significantly
more
discussion,
more
opportunities
to
take
a
look
at
it
before
we
pass,
but
I
I
do
want
to
try
to
understand.
H
In
fact,
this
this
Hub
should
be
viewed
more
like
Moody
Drive
Moody
Drive
will
not
be
a
15-minute
neighborhood,
at
least
until
the
NCC
completely
has
a
has
a
has
a
reversal,
but
the
reality
of
of
that
node
is
that
it
shoulders
the
LRT
for
our
future
I
say
to
you.
This
node
should
be
an
access
point
for
all
of
Ottawa
to
one
of
the
few
still
natural
River
fronts
along
the
river
and
I.
H
H
H
Again,
we've
been
unable
to
get
the
support.
We
need
Jeff
to
really
do
a
good
job,
making
the
set
of
fulsome
comments
that
I
like
to
think
I'm
respected
for
so
I
ca.
I
can't
really
say
that
today
defer
the
item
and
let
us
come
together
and
and
really
talk
about
this,
then
tackle
this
and
and
and
come
up
with
something.
That's
reasonable
cafes
is
always
a
willing
partner
of
of
planning
committee,
environmental
committee
and
city
council.
AF
Y
AC
W
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Barbara
for
coming
here.
You
know,
I'm
glad
you
brought
this
on
our
radar.
One
of
the
things
we
you
know
you
and
I
talk
about
in
Canada
is
what
are
the
one
in
100
year.
The
the
stats
and
the
data
that
Engineers
put
their
stamp
on
is
actually
accurate.
You
know,
and-
and
that
is
and
I
I
hear
what
Miguel's
saying
you
know
that
the
engineers
have
looked
at
this.
They
think
they
can
do
it.
W
The
Mississippi
Valley
conservation
Authority
is,
is
okay,
I
hear
all
of
that
one
of
the
things
I
heard
at
the
doors-
and
you
know
from
a
Toronto
stormwater
engineer
for
the
city
of
Toronto,
said
to
me.
Our
challenge
is
that
the
data
we're
dealing
with
we
think
is
out
of
date.
It
hasn't
been
updated
in
20
years.
Is
there
any
understanding?
You
know
you
were
asked.
If
we
had
the
official
plan,
everything
else
was
approved,
but
is
there
any
understanding
by
you
that
some
of
that
data
will
be
updated
and
when
it
might
be
so.
H
So,
thank
you.
Kathy
and
I
well
understand
what
you
heard
at
the
doors
because
it
came
from
a
lot
of
our
our
thousands
of
supporters
in
Canada.
So
what
I
do
understand,
I'll
just
be
bald-faced
and
as
honest
as
I
can
what
I've
been
able
to
glean
in
the
last
few
days?
We
understand
that
there
is
ongoing
work
going
inside
the
city
with
its
experts
on
a
mapping
floodplain
mapping.
H
Specifically
there
is
a
heightened
awareness
around
it
and
I
think
investment,
perhaps
in
Staffing
to
do
that,
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
mapping
around
the
Rideau
River
and
the
the
rbca
main
sites,
and
also
the
mbca
in
our
West
End,
is-
is
up
to
speed,
but
I
understand
a
lot
of
the
riviolets
and
small
River
rivers.
That
data
is
not
there.
I
stand
to
be
corrected
by
staff,
but
that's
what
we've
been
told
so
to
your
point,
do
we
understand?
H
Do
we
have
all
the
data
and
do
we
understand
it
all
I
suspect
not
the
second
piece
of
it
is
while
we've
been
able
to
read
and
find
that
the
RVCA
has
agreed
to
a
30
meter
setback
from
the
Wetland.
Nowhere
do
nowhere.
Do
we
read
a
more
or
we'll
be
able
to
find
a
more
wholesome
and
fulsome
opinion
from
the
RVCA
again
I
admit.
We
only
had
three
days
four
days
to
look
at
the
material,
but
We've
not
been
able
to
have
conversations.
H
As
many
of
you
know,
we
we
struggled
to
reach
you,
but
in
the
last
24
hours
in
fact,
I
had
to
rely
on
greenspace
Alliance
to
reach
the
chairs.
Our
our
goal
is
never
to
Blindside.
Our
goal
is
to
come
forward
and
talk
about
things
so
yeah
there
are
there
concerns
and
really
we
know
the
one
in
100
year.
Flood
plain
is
not
enough.
That's
why
the
official
plan
contemplates
a
one
in
three
fifty
year,
flood
plain.
H
H
Y
X
AC
Again,
I
I
wish
I'd
had
a
lot
more
time
to
to
take
a
look
at
this.
The
the
red
flags
really
did
start
waving
just
over
the
past
day
or
so,
and
most
of
us
around
this
table
were
probably
picking
up
election
signs
48
hours
ago.
So
it's
it's
not
a
lot
of
time
to
come
to
grips
with
this,
but
can
I
just
ask.
Why
was
why
was
this
originally
filled
in
2004.
X
So
I
and
I
I
can't
answer
the
question
as
to
where
the
dirt
came
from
and
everything
else,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
in
those
kind
of
issues
are
considered
in
the
Geotech
report,
I'm
not
going
to
comment
on
the
Geotech
report,
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not
familiar
enough
with
it,
but
again,
I
provided
the
committee
with
an
inventory
of
all
of
the
studies
that
were
done.
The
issue
of
Phil
in
2004
would
have
been
addressed
in
the
Geotech
study.
It
would
have
been
addressed
in
the
slope
stability
study.
X
It
would
have
been
addressed
in
the
landfill,
Hazard
study
and
I.
You
know,
in
response
to
your
your
your
your
comments
about
the
timelines
recall
that
this
application
was
submitted
in
September
2020.,
so
I
don't
want
to
imply
to
the
committee
that
this
came
through
in
the
last
six
months.
They've
been
working
on
this
with
the
city
on
a
submitted
application
for
two
years,
let
alone
the
time
that
the
developer
was
working
on
those
reports.
X
This
is
like
four
years
worth
of
work
and
I
am
sympathetic
to
the
the
delegations
that
they
weren't
in
the
loop
and
that
the
ca
didn't
maybe
articulate
why
they
are
comfortable
with
the
30
meter
setback,
but
they
did
that
with
staff,
and
how
we
got
here
is
that
there
was
a
protracted
series
of
meetings
reports,
addendums
reviews
I,
mentioned
two
separate
peer
reviews
to
all
of
these
documents:
we're
not
obtuse
to
these
concerns.
We
we
realize
that
there
are
issues
of
of
floodplains
and
everything
else.
X
There
will
be
flood
proofing
as
a
result
of
the
of
where
we
are,
but,
as
I
noted
earlier,
we
are
outside
of
the
EP
Zone.
We
are
not
encroaching
into
the
area
of
the
significant
Wetland.
The
conservation
Authority
has
confirmed
they're
comfortable
with
the
30
meters,
but
you
know
these
are
all
the
product
of
a
significant
amount
of
work
and
Technical
reports.
Lastly,
there
is
more
to
come.
We
still
have
a
sipeline
control
application.
X
That's
going
to
deal
with
issues
of
construction,
flood
proofing,
mapping,
all
of
those
things
are
still
going
to
be
addressed
through
the
site
plan,
control
application.
All
we're
doing
here
is
setting
the
parameters
for
the
heights,
which
I
haven't
heard
any
fundamental
discomfort
with
on
the
building
Heights
and
largely
because-
and
we
are
very
mindful
of
this-
we
are
waiting
on
the
new
OP,
the
new
P.
The
new
OP
identifies
these
lands
as
part
of
a
protected
major
transit
station
area.
X
It
is
a
target
area
for
intensification
for
the
city,
we're
within
200
meters
of
your
Phase
2
LRT
station,
and,
to
be
honest,
we're
one
of
the
only
properties
that
can
actually
contribute
significant
density
to
that
station,
and
that's
why
the
secondary
plan
recognizes
this
and
I
think
councilor
leaper.
You
asked
the
question.
We
are
fully
in
step
with
that
secondary
plan.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
stole
the
policies
within
the
secondary
plan
and
put
them
in
the
holding
provision.
X
So
there
was
no
discomfort
that
we're
skirting
that
secondary
plan
which
to
answer
your
other
question,
is
planning
committee
approved
sitting
on
a
shelf
before
it
goes
to
city
council.
It
is
a
planning
committee
approved
this
planning
committee
approved
and
it's
waiting
on
the
new
OP
to
be
fully
implemented.
We're
relying
on
Council
or
planning
committee
approved
documents
in
terms
of
the
Heights
and
the
densities.
The
lands
are
already
available
for
development
because
we
have
a
clear
delineation
of
the
EP
Zone
and
that's
based
on
very
technical
reports.
AC
AC
X
Not
asking
you
to
trust
that
the
studies
are
done,
I'm
encouraging
you
to
rely
on
your
staff
that
provided
a
report
to
planning
committee
and
an
analysis
of
those
studies.
I'm
not
asking
you
to
trust
me.
Believe
you
I'm,
not
that's!
That's
not!
That's!
Not
my
Approach
I'm
suggesting
that
technical
staff
at
the
city,
the
conservation
Authority,
your
peer
reviewers
review
these
studies
on
your
behalf
to
make
sure
that
they
are
comfortable
with
the
recommendation
they
are
putting
forward.
That's.
Y
Q
Q
Hey
John,
so
I
I've
seen
some
some
of
the
things
in
the
presentations
today
that
I'm
even
kind
of
shaking
my
head
a
little
bit
I'm
seeing
properties
that
are
actually
not
part
of
the
parcel.
Can
you
just
give
me
a
quick
Highline
of
any
of
the
concerns
that
you've
heard
today
with
some
of
the
presentations
that
we've
seen.
G
G
G
G
There
are
extensive
comments
that
were
provided
by
staff
to
the
initial
application
and
we
responded
to
all
of
those
comments
in
a
resubmission
in
January
of
2021.
There
was
a
further
extensive
set
of
reviews
and
comments,
provided
that
we
responded
back
to
that
with
a
third
submission
in
July
of
2022.
So
this
has
been
an
ongoing
process
where
we've
been
engaging
with
staff,
both
in
the
policy
side
and
the
development
review
side
to
formalize
the
proposal
that
was
being
brought
forward
to
ensure
that
all
the
requirements
with
respect
to
technical
technical
considerations
were
addressed.
G
So
this
is
not
a
last
minute.
This
was
very
much
a
process.
That's
been
ongoing
for
quite
a
period
of
time.
There's
also
a
comment
about
sort
of
the
site
being
within
the
one
to
100
year
flood.
In
fact,
the
area
that's
proposed
to
be
developed
is
outside
the
one
to
100
year
flood.
While
there
might
be
some
indication
in
the
new
official
plan
that
we
should
be
looking
at
the
one
to
three.
G
So
the
only
portion
of
this
project
that
would
be
sitting
into
an
area
underneath
would
be
the
parking
garage,
and
we
it's
been
made
clear
by
the
Reno
Valley
conservation
Authority
that
will
have
to
do
flood
proofing,
which
is
fully
understood
and
a
detail
that
I
would
that
we
would
be
addressing
through
the
detailed
design
the
building
permit
stage.
I
think
the
other
important
thing
to
note
is
that
all
of
this
stuff,
in
fact
the
basis
for
what
we're
doing,
is
very
much
being
driven
by
what
the
city
has
been
doing.
G
The
city's
been
very
much
leading
the
exercise
through
its
new
official
plan,
that
put
in
place
the
ability
to
have
high
density
high
profile,
where
the
protection
major
transestation
area,
to
try
to
capitalize
on
the
LRT.
The
secondary
plan
is
in
place.
There's
nothing!
That's
not
there
that
we're
not
in
accord
with
so
again.
The
city's
been
very
much
leading
the
policy
framework
that
this
application
is
now
sort
of
leading
into
in
terms
of
the
details.
G
As
far
as
implementation
on
policy
framework
and
in
fact,
we've
got
holding
Provisions
that
say
that
those
policy
Frameworks
need
to
be
in
place
before
we
can
actually
act
on
it.
The
fill
was
actually
introduced
by
the
previous
owner
onto
the
site
again
recognizing
it
was
a
development,
Reserve
lands
or
zoning
which
did
contemplate
for
some
form
of
development,
and
so
the
area
of
the
site
that's
proposed
to
be
developed
is
not
at
all
environmental.
G
If
you
go
out
on
the
site,
you'll
see
and
you
can
see
by
the
photograph
the
area
of
photographs
that
is
very
much
a
filled
area
and
the
foundations
for
the
project
are
going
to
be
founded
or
grounded
on
Bedrock.
So
the
concerns
that
you're
actually
building
on
the
fill
is
not
in
fact
correct.
The
fill
will
be
removed
and
the
structure
will
actually
sit
in
the
ground
and
will
be
grounded
on
Bedrock.
G
So
again,
I
think,
as
as
we've
been
indicating
we're
quite
comfortable
that
the
full
Gambit
of
requirements
to
demonstrate
and
confirm
the
area
of
the
site
that
can
be
developed
is,
in
fact,
developable.
And
it's
entirely
in
line
with
the
directions
that
the
city
has
articulated
through
which
planning
policy
documents
and
from
our
perspective
and
as
Miguel
indicated,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
work.
G
So,
from
from
our
perspective,
there's
a
very
good
harmonization,
plus
we're
also
naturalizing
portions
of
the
site,
beyond
what
we
have
today
to
actually
make
them
more
integrated
into
the
natural
environment
of
the
site
and
the
PSW
to
the
north,
so
that
I
think
is
also
an
important
consideration
that
hasn't
really
been
talked
about
up
to
this
point
in
time.
We're
in
fact
increasing
the
Wetland
area,
that's
associated
with
this
project
from
what
exists
today,
and
that
work
was
the
authorized
through
the
province
and
has
now
been
completed
by
the
owner
of
the
property.
Q
Q
So
I'll
save
some
questions
for
staff
I
I
do
want
to
thank
you,
though,
for
I
I
see
this
project
as
something
as
something
very
important.
We
just
went
through
an
election
talking
housing
crisis,
not
enough
housing.
This
is
right
at
the
Tod
I
mean
this
is
this
is
what
we
want
to
do,
but,
of
course
the
concern
about
the
flooding
I
think
you've
helped
debunk
a
lot
of
what
we've
heard
today.
So
thank
you
for
that.
AR
G
AR
John,
you
worked
in
the
city
in
development
for
your
entire
career
and
looked
at
sites
like
this
over
the
course
of
your
time.
Here,
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
the
risk
that
we're
here
that
we're
hearing
from
the
members
of
the
community
and
the
other
organizations
that
spoke
today.
Can
you
can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
the
risk
that
they're
raising
and
your
your
thoughts
on
that?
Please.
G
So
I
don't
discount
that
there's
concerns
there's
always
concerns
when
there's
development
being
proposed
in
areas
of
the
city,
particularly
where
there
might
be
various
challenges
associated
with
that.
That's
the
reason
why
there's
such
a
high
expectation
on
incredibly
detailed
studies,
that's
the
reason
why
those
studies
are
reviewed
extensively,
not
just
by
City
staff
by
by
outside
staff,
in
this
case,
including
also
Ministries
and,
in
our
case
also
peer
reviews.
G
A
good
chunk
of
that
was
in
development
review
and
when
I
see
sort
of
the
extent
of
study
work
that
was
done
and
the
confirmations
that
were
being
provided,
and
you
can
ask
staff
once
you
get
into
questions
with
staff,
but
I'm
sure
that
they
will
also
indicate
that
there
was
an
extensive
amount
of
work
that
was
done.
In
my
opinion,
the
amount
of
work
that
was
done
is
beyond
what
would
typically
be
associated
with
a
rezoning
application.
AR
G
I
think
the
issues
are
are
not
dissimilar
and
the
consultant
that
was
brought
on
board
looking
at
the
geotechnical,
the
landslide
risk
assessment
work
that
was
done
was
also
the
consultant
that
was
involved
in
looking
at
the
Brazil
project,
and
the
determinations
were
that
the
two
sites
are
not
dissimilar
in
terms
of
the
things
that
were
looked
at.
I
would
also
point
out
that
the
city
of
Ottawa
has
not
identified
this
area
as
being
an
area
of
unstable
slopes.
G
G
G
The
towers
would
sit
on
to
be
at
a
similar
grade
to
Jean
dark
right
now
that
fill
area
sits
about
three
meters
below
the
elevation
of
Jean
dark
so
again,
I'm
quite
comfortable
that
the
structure
itself
will
not
be
impacted
by
flood
waters
in
the
future
and
we'll
be
undertaking
appropriately
appropriate
blood
proofing
of
anything
that
goes
below
grade,
as
would
be
typical,
even
if
you're,
in
a
situation
where
you
might
not
be
in
a
flood
prone
area.
But
you've
got
a
low
water
table
situation.
AR
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
these
clarifying
questions.
I
did
have
a
chance
to
read
the
report,
despite
the
fact
that
we
were
in
the
middle
of
an
election
and
I'm,
not
a
part
of
planning
committee,
so
I
have
gone
through
all
of
the
material
I
appreciate
the
extra
work
that
you
did
on
this
John
and
in
taking
my
questions
thanks.
AR
G
Y
All
right,
thank
you,
so
we
are
done
with
the
applicant.
We
move
on
to
questions
to
staff.
First
I
want
to
a
lot
of
the
conversation
so
to
show
a
lot
of
the
conversation
has
been
around.
You
know
the
the
the
site,
and
maybe
some
questions
to
the
applicant
that
would
have
been
better
post
to
yourself,
I
think
so.
Your
recommended
approval
you've
heard
the
concerns
about
the
setbacks
and
and
what
this
property
is,
and
what's
your
response
to
that?
AO
I
can
tell
you
that,
even
before
the
new
official
plan,
as
well
as
the
Orleans
Corridor
secondary
plan
process,
were
underway,
the
number
one
concerns
around
this
site
and
its
Redevelopment
would
be
the
environmental
concerns
and
the
slope
stability
concerns
simply
because
it
is
at
a
height
difference
and
it
is
right
up
against
a
provincially,
significant
Wetland.
So
the
reason
the
applicant
went
over
and
Beyond
the
typical
minimum
requirements
or
the
requirements
and
standards
that
we
have
outlined
is
because
we
were
all
skeptical
and
between
conservation,
Authority
and
the
City
of
Ottawa.
AO
We've
asked
them
to
give
us
more
information
and
then
some
more
to
allay
our
concerns
at
this
conceptual
level.
That
is
the
zoning
level
to
give
us
enough
information
for
us
to
move
to
a
position
of
yeah
I
think
this
is
possible
and
essentially
what
where
we're
making
them
do
is:
okay,
so
the
environmental
aspects,
the
geotechnical
aspects,
the
soil
contamination
aspects
that
may
have
been
introduced
to
a
potential
fill
that
was
brought
in
from
off-site.
AO
All
of
those
items
have
been
itemized
assessed
and
we
have
a
game
plan
moving
forward
as
to
how
to
create
a
stability
for
the
proposal
in
terms
of
geotechnical
anchoring
in
terms
of
any
any
remediation
that
we
may
be
required
for
the
soil
all
which
will
be
dealt
with
at
site
plan
control,
it
will
be
conditioned
all
the
assessment
and
mitigation
strategies
will
be
conditioned
through
sight
plan
control,
but,
as
mentioned
before,
it
will
also
be
further
refined.
So
the
game
plan
becomes
tighter.
AO
AO
So
we
basically
had
to
integrate
both
of
those
into
this
concept
proposal
and
the
applicant
has
been
led
by
the
city,
but
we've
also
been
quite
exigent
for
the
zoning
amendment
process
and
then
we're
going
to
detail
it
further
under
cycling.
Control
and
one
more
item
to
note
is
that
conservation
Authority
will
be
providing
permits
will
have
to
provide
permits
because
any
essentially
the
boundaries
of
any
significant
features
noted
in
the
environmental
impact
statements.
The
slopes
and
soil
soil
structure.
Substratas
have
been
noted
in
the
geotechnical
report.
AO
The
typical
100
meter,
120
meter
setback
from
provincially,
significant
Wetlands.
If
that
policy
exists
in
the
absence
of
an
Eis
or
an
environmental
impact
statement
that
asserts
otherwise
any
if,
if
you
submit
an
Eis,
and
there
is
evidence
that
you
can
support
within
the
120
meter,
setback
that
30
meter
setback
at
minimum
be
respected
in
this
case
and
beyond
that
within
the
balance
of
the
120
meters,
any
form
of
development,
and
that
includes
this
development,
The
r5a
Zone,
with
the
holding
a
recommendation
that
it
must
receive
permits
from
conservation,
Authority,
okay,.
Y
F
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
quickly
as
well
on
the
conservation
Authority
piece
to
make
it
very
clear
to
everybody
on
the
call.
We
have
been
working
very
closely
with
the
conservation
Authority,
who
has
outlined
all
of
their
requirements
to
the
city.
We've
discussed
some
of
them
today
around
floodplain
around
significant
or
provincially,
significant
Wetland,
rather
in
boundaries
around
Hazard
assessments
risk.
So
all
of
those
things
have
been
contemplated
and
incorporated
into
the
proposal.
F
In
this
case
and
I
know,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
environment
here,
also
formerly
part
of
my
background
working
in
natural
systems,
and
so
I
I
do
really
value
the
discussion
that's
being
had
here
today
and-
and
you
know,
we
haven't-
got
to
talk
about
pops
and
and
some
of
the
walkways
and
open
space
and
how
we're
going
to
create
that
animation
and
activity
along
this
Waterfront
to
kind
of
raise
the
value
of
of
some
of
these
natural
features.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
quickly.
Y
W
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
I
want
to
be
very
clear
on
why
how
I
made
a
vote
on
this
I'm,
not
concerned
that
this
was
even
rushed.
I
can
tell
by
just
the
level
of
detail
here.
This
was
not
rushed.
This
has
been
going
on
for
a
very
very
long
time.
That's
obvious
I'm,
not
that
concerned
about
this
Hub
concept.
I,
think
that
the
density
is
great.
It's
near
Transit.
This
could
be
a
great
place.
W
I
had
a
long
and
great
conversation
with
councilor
Lou
loss
last
night
about
what
this
might
mean
and
how
much
better
this
could
be
for
the
whole
area
and
all
the
services
and
opportunities
for
additional
housing
not
concerned
about
that.
As
Miguel
pointed
out,
the
height
doesn't
bother
me
at
all
I,
actually
completely
trust
staff.
People
wear
their
engineering
rings
for
a
reason
they
don't
put
their
names
and
stamps
on
things
lightly.
They
take
a
lot
of
time
and
thought
with
this.
There's
no
question
about
that.
W
In
my
mind,
the
the
one
challenge
I
have
is
the
similar
challenge
to
what
we're
talking
about
in
Canada
is
that
if
it
were
that
the
data
were
to
change
for
100
Year
data
versus
350-year
data?
Would
that
make
a
difference
so
now
I'm
hearing
thanks
to
Shona
that
there's
a
whole
site
plan
process
that
that
will
we
will
go
through
all
of
that
and
I
think
that
will
be
the
critical
time
where
there
will
have
to
be
permits
or
not
and
I.
W
Think
that
that's
where
all
of
this
conversation
will
be
most
valuable
will
be
in
the
site
plan
stage.
But
I
would
love
to
hear
from
Nick
Stowe,
because
Nick
Stowe
who's
following
some
of
what
the
province
is
announcing
tweeted
out
there
yesterday
about
what
the
level
of
authority
conservation
Authority
will
have
going
forward,
which
is
worrisome
to
me
because
believe
me,
councilor
Moffett.
We
do
look
at
the
people
of
those
conservation
authorities
and
think
okay.
W
Well,
if
they
approve
it
and
they're
good
with
it,
then
that's
very
reassuring
to
me:
I
think
again,
more
experts
and
yet
the
provincial
regulations.
What
we're
seeing
going
forward
now,
maybe
that
conservation
authorities
have
little
to
no
say
in
anything
and
and
no
value
so
I
do
want
to
I
would
love
a
comment
from
nickto
on
this.
That
I
think
will
help
me
as
well.
V
V
Act
would
prohibit
the
conservation
Authority
from
reviewing
and
commenting
on
matters
under
the
planning
act
and
there's
a
possibility
that
a
suggestion
that
they
permits
from
conservation
authorities
may
not
be
required
in
some
municipalities
if
a
matter
does
fall
under
the
the
planning
act.
So
those
are
proposals
and
we
have
not
fully
assessed
all
the
implications
of
those.
V
Yet
with
respect
to
my
involvement
and
and
professional
opinion
on
this
application,
I've
been
involved
in
this
application
from
the
very
start
very
much
involved
with
the
applicant
with
the
conservation
Authority
and
with
our
environmental
planners.
Also
our
infrastructure
staff.
The
comments
in
the
environmental
implications
section
of
the
staff
report
I
have
reviewed
them.
I
agree
with
those
comments.
W
V
I
cannot
speak
to
the
350-year
floodplain
I,
don't
know
where
the
line
for
that
is,
and
that's
not
my
area
of
expertise
but
I
have
reviewed
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
and
the
site
plan
concept
that
the
applicants
have
provided
and
the
development
itself
is
outside
the
one
in
100
Year
floodplain
the
there
is
an
open
space
boundary.
The
open
space
Zone
lies
between
the
development
and
the
100
year,
flood
plain,
and
so
the
the
conservation
Authority
is
comfortable
with
that
as
Emily.
W
J
Eric
thanks
very
much
chair.
We
are
just
picking
up
where
counselor
Curry
left
off.
That
is
my
principal's
concern
as
well
is
is
if
this
area,
floods,
what's
the
repercussion,
so
in
the
presentation
from
Barbara
Ramsey,
seemed
to
indicate
that
the
area
where
the
buildings
would
go
has
flooded
in
the
past,
whether
it's
within
the
100
year
or
one
in
350
year,
so
just
to
staff.
If
this
area
floods
again
presumably
past
where
the
buildings
are
proposed,
to
go,
what
will
occur.
AJ
J
Okay,
I
can
appreciate
that
and
I
think.
Our
official
plan
is
consistent
with
that,
as
I
recall,
because
I
had
worked
on
some
of
these
sections
during
the
official
plan
Drafting
and
in
fact
it
was
one
of
the
sections
that
the
province
had
sent
back
to
us
questioning.
You
know
when
they
sent
back
that
list,
questioning
several
sections
provisionally
significant
Wetlands
we're
in
we're
in
that
list
and
the
the
concern
I
guess
that
that
I'd
be
expressing
his
is.
J
J
AO
T
AO
Not
once
was
the
discussion
of
the
one
to
350
floodplain,
an
item
that
they
needed
to
flag
to
me
and
they
have
been
reviewing
it
based
on
greater
than
what
was
existing,
because
it
was
in
that
in
between
phase
between
the
current
op
and
the
newop,
so
they've
been
looking
at
it
from
both
angles.
That
was
not
a
flag
item.
AO
That
being
said,
I
also
cannot
comment
on
the
one
to
350
plane
because
I
have
not
looked
at
it
specifically
in
relationship
to
this,
but
in
my
discussions
with
conservation
Authority,
it
was
not
a
flag,
they
flagged
several
items
based
on
the
newop
requirements
and
the
upcoming
new
you
know
aren't
they're
not
requirements
yet,
but
we
need
to
tell
you
these
are
coming
up.
As
you
know,
life,
this
was
not
one
of
them.
J
Foreign,
just
on
the
questions
share,
perhaps
to
the
official
plan
that
I
was
Raising.
There
were
three
different
areas:
I
was
Raising
there,
most
of
them
in
response
to
the
province
with
their
concerns
that
they
had
outlined.
When
we
extend
our
initial
draft
to
them,
it's
just
around
residential
areas
and
floodplains
that
provincially
significant
Wetland
area
and
the
no
negative
effects
piece.
AD
AC
Thank
you
very
much,
so
this
is
obviously
in
in
very
close
proximity
to
the
Shoreline
I'm,
just
wondering
what
is
the
potential
in
staff's
view
for
let's
say:
first
storm
water
runoff,
and
how
will
that
be
mitigated
things
like
litter?
You
know
a
lot
of
human
activity
at
a
site
like
this
can
result
in
it.
AC
Is
there
a
potential
for
more
man-made
stuff
to
wind
up
in
the
in
the
Ottawa,
River
and
insensitive
lands,
and
then
we
have
heard
from
I
believe
was
Ms
Ramsey
about
the
impacts
of
this
human
activity
on
on
the
wildlife
nearby?
What
are
the
likely
impacts?
We
could
expect
from
a
very
intense
development,
this
close
to
the
Shoreline
on
with
the
lights
that
are
there
and
the
the
noise
of
cars
and
and
just
a
higher
level
of
activity
on
some
of
the
wildlife
nearby.
F
If
I
might
just
quickly
address
the
piece
on
on
Refuge
counselor
refuse,
we
would
look
at
garbage
and
and
how
that
would
interact
and
interplay
with
the
site
through
site
plan.
So
it's
just
a
specific
that
I,
don't
think
we've
quite
dialed
down
into
yet
yeah.
We'll
get
maybe
may
be
able
to
provide
us
with
some
information,
but
certainly
something
that
we
would
be
looking
at
through
that
site
plan.
I.
AC
Not
just
storm
when
you
have
a
lot
of
people
in
one
place,
there
are
pops,
for
example,
and
and
stuff
people
dispose
of
stuff
inappropriately
they
they
drop
their.
You
know
our
cities
full
of
disposed
masks
right
now,
for
example,
people
have
got
to
stop
putting
their
throwing
their
mask
on
the
ground.
You
know
just
the
the
refuse
and
the
litter
of
of
a
lot
more
human
activity
happening
here.
Yeah.
F
C
V
Mr
chair
so
looking
at
the
the
impacts
of
this
development
on
the
the
natural
environment.
A
lot
of
course,
will
be
determined
through
site
plan
with
respect
to
litter,
refuse
in
in
the
Natural
Area.
We
generally
see
the
main
source
of
that
being
a
snow
removal
where
we
have
parking
lots
adjacent
to
Natural
areas.
It's
very
common
for
snow
removal
contractors
to
use
those
areas
for
The
Dumping
of
snow,
which
often
carries
garbage
and
refuse,
as
well
as
damages,
damages
vegetation.
V
V
There
will
always
be
some
wind-blown
garbage
that
goes
into
a
a
natural
area,
and
if
we
don't
provide
garbage
containers
and
so
on,
along
Pathways
and
so
on,
then
there
will
be,
of
course,
garbage
that
goes
into
those
areas.
I,
don't
see
that
as
being
a
large
risk
here,
access
to
the
to
the
Waterfront
at
this
location
will
be
relatively
controlled
through
pathway
systems
where
we
can
put
in
those
those
refuse
containers.
V
The
issues
such
as
as
lighting
are
concerned
next
to
to
Wetlands,
and
typically
we
will
deal
with
that
at
a
site
plan
level,
using
such
things
as
as
cut
off
lights,
so
that
the
lights
spillage
into
the
Natural
Area
is
reduced
similarly
impacts
on
migratory
Birds.
Again
we
have
our
our
bird
friendly
design
guidelines,
which
we
will
be
asking
the
proponent
to
consider
here
and
in
terms
of
just
general
level
of
disturbance
from
noise,
the
movement
of
people
in
the
area.
V
It's
I
I
recognize
that
that
this
is
already
a
very
active
location.
We
have
a
lot
of
movement
of
people
and
traffic
to
and
from
Petrie
Island.
We
have
the
the
marina
across
the
way
in
the
wintertime.
We
have
abundant
ice
fishing
Shacks
in
this
area.
So
there
is
a
high
degree
of
activity
already
in
this
area.
I,
don't
think
we
are
going
to
be
aggravating
any
any
disturbance
and
I
would
expect
that
wildlife
in
the
area
would
be
relatively
used
to
such
disturbance.
AC
V
It
is
so
the
the
immediate
Shoreline
is,
as
Mr
Smith
has
described,
an
area
of
fill,
and
so
there
has
been
a
lot
of
Rush,
mostly
non-native
vegetation
that
has
grown
up
along
up
on
that
fill
where
there
is
any
vegetation
at
all.
Much
of
it
is
just
clear,
clear
dirt.
Over
overfill,
the
the
Wetland
itself
is
a
is
a
marsh
with
perhaps
a
fringe
of
shrubs
along
the
edge
that
then
deepens
into
a
more
of
an
aquatic
Marsh,
and
it
is
provincially
significant
Wetland.
V
AO
AO
So
the
storm
water
management
will
basically
be
part
of
the
flood
proofing,
because
if
you
recall
there
will
be
no
at
grade
parking,
there
will
be
no
at
grade
vehicle
movement.
It's
going
to
be
public,
open
spaces,
privately
owned
public
open
spaces
at
the
grade
level,
at
the
level
where
we
will
be
walking
off
the
street,
all
the
parking
and
vehicular
movement
for
all
of
the
residential
towers,
as
well
as
the
mixed
uses
below
will
be
by
an
underground
parking.
The
access
point
is
off
of
Jean
dark,
Boulevard
North.
AO
There
will
be
an
environmental
management
or
stewardship
at
play,
similar
to
what
conservation
Authority
usually
has
along
waterways
for
other
sites
that
are
being
developed
along
rivers.
Along
streams
and
I'm,
pretty
sure
they're
going
to
be
applying
it
at
this
one,
which
is
a
much
more
intensified
effort
right
up
against
the
provincially
significant
Wetland.
T
AO
AC
So
the
site
and
I
am
pleased
to
hear
that
the
the
current
Phil
and
I'm,
presumably
on
a
very
targeted
basis,
will
be
removed.
The
the
foundations
will
sit
on
Bedrock,
it
will
be
refilled
and
underneath
that
fill
you're
going
to
have
presumably
then
drainage,
pipes
that
have
catch
basins,
Etc
and
the
site
will
be
graded
in
such
a
way
as
to
Channel
storm
water,
into
those
catch
basins
and
and
other
features.
Yes,.
AO
If
you
remember
there
this,
this
is
the
flood
proofing
that
will
be
occurring
around
the
underground
parking
structure.
It's
going
to
create
somewhat
of
a
bathtub
situation,
so
imagine
like
a
a
the
old
bathtub
right
and
then
all
the
pipes,
so
essentially
whatever
water,
it's
not
supposed
to
be
going
directly
to
recharge
the
Wetland
below,
but
it
will
be
controlled
rather
and
as
it
is
controlled,
it
will
be
led
off
to
City
pipes
along
the
city
rights
of
ways
for
it
to
be
channeled.
But
before
that
happens,
there's
always
the
at
site.
AO
AO
Y
Y
AO
To
the
lights
fell
off,
the
lights
fell
off.
We
have
the
zero
or
the
0.1
meter,
0.1
Lumen
candle
light
cut
off
at
the
property
edges.
So
when
we
direct
all
the
lighting
back
onto
the
site,
the
lighting
from
the
on-street
lamps
or
on-site
lamps
or
on-site
lighting
at
grade
will
not
spill
over
into
the
adjacent
lens.
The
question
when
it
comes
to
the
tower
lights
from
the
residential
uses,
Etc
we're
going
to
look
at
that
in
more
detail.
Let's
say
fun
control
stage
and
how.
E
AO
Y
Front
of
us
is
that
planning
committee
recommend
Council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw
2008-250
for
parts
of
1015,
Tweddle
Road,
as
shown
in
document
one
to
rezone
the
lands
or
development
Reserve
to
residential
fifth
density
subzone
a
exception
with
a
whole
incision
Park's,
an
open
space,
Zone
Sub
Zone
are
an
Environmental
Protection
Zone
as
detailed
in
document
two
and
two.
That
plan
committee
approve
the
constellation
details
section
of
this
report.
Y
C
W
R
A
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
next
two
items
are
4.16
and
4.17
in
the
agenda.
They
are
both
in
knoxdale
Maribel,
counselor
eglise
here
and
has
asked
us
to
to
go
to
4.17
First
25
Fair,
Oaks
Crescent.
So
we're
going
to
do
this
item
first
and
then
go
to
the
Capilano
Drive
item
after
that,
with
the
concurrence
of
committee,
everybody's
okay,
with
that
and
also
in
the
interest
of
time
there
is
a
presentation
available,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
for
committees
approval
that
we
skipped
the
staff
presentation
on
the
Fair
Oaks
item:
everyone.
A
A
AS
AS
So
thank
you
for
bringing
up
these
slides
and
I'll
just
proceed
so
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Jeff
Kelly
I'm,
a
planner
with
novatech
here
to
present
the
application
for
rezoning
on
the
property
located
at
25,
Fair
Oaks,
Crescent
I'm
joined
today
by
my
colleague,
Marie
Chown,
and
the
project
architect.
Tone
dressen
who'll
also
be
available
to
answer
questions
from
the
committee
as
required
next
slide,
please
so
just
a
general
overview
of
the
context.
AS
We
would
like
to
highlight
that
the
subject
property
is
located
just
north
of
the
planned
Knoxville
train
station
at
the
corner
of
Knoxville
and
Woodruff
Avenue,
and
that
the
subject
property
is
located
within
a
445
meter
radius
and
is
a
seven
minute
walk
from
the
planned
knoxdale
station
next
slide,
please,
the
subject
site
is
designated
neighborhood
in
the
other
Urban
transect
of
the
new
official
plan.
Policies
of
the
new
official
plan
are
supportive
of
low-rise
intensification
on
the
subject
site
to
accommodate
residential
growth,
transition
towards
more
urban
built
forms
and
support.
AS
A
variety
of
housing
types
with
a
focus
on
Lower
density,
missing,
middle
housing
subject:
site
is
in
a
suitable
location
for
intensification,
in
proximity
to
planned,
Rapid
Transit
being
just
outside
of
the
400
meter
radius
from
the
planned
Knoxville
station
subject.
Site
is
zoned
r3z
and
this
Zone
does
permit
townhouse
dwellings
on
the
subject's
site.
AS
The
westernmost
unit
will
have
a
parking
space
located
in
the
interior
side
yard.
The
interior
unit
and
easternmost
unit
will
have
a
parking
space
within
an
attached
garage.
Practically
speaking,
there
is
room
in
the
driveway
of
each
proposed
townhouse
unit
for
one
additional
parking
space,
which
would
be
six
units
and
six
parking
spaces
in
total.
AS
So.
First
relief
is
requested
for
a
decrease
to
the
minimum
required
rear
yard
setback.
The
safe
specific
schedule
before
you
shows
the
requested
building
setbacks
for
the
proposed
development.
I
will
note
that
the
front
yard,
Corner,
side,
yard
and
interior
side
yard
setbacks
fully
conform
with
provisions
of
the
r3z
zone
and
the
exception
provision.
On
the
subject
property
the
building
footprint
has
been
designed
to
conform
with
alternative
interior
yard
Provisions
for
Corner
Lots,
which
applies
to
all
Corner
Lots,
located
within
the
green
belt
and
in
proximity
to
Transit
next
slide.
AS
Please
specifically,
as
shown
in
green
note,
that
the
total
rear
yard
area
required
by
the
zoning
Provisions
applicable
to
all
properties
within
the
green
belt
is
a
reared
area
of
just
under
37
square
meters.
As
shown
in
blue,
a
total
reared
area
of
just
over
95
square
meters
is
provided.
This
is
more
than
double
the
rear
yard
area
typically
required
for
properties
within
the
green
belt.
AS
AS
Secondly,
relief
is
requested
to
prevent
an
individual
driveway
for
each
of
the
proposed
townhouse
units.
The
accession
provision
requires
a
minimum
block
width
of
five
meters
and
applies
to
all
areas
highlighted
on
the
image
before
you
all.
Low-Rise
developments
proposed
within
the
green
belt
are
not
permitted
to
have
an
individual
driveway
if
the
minimum
required
lot
width
is
less
than
six
meters
so
note
that
all
the
properties
highlighted
have
an
existing
individual
driveway
and
do
not
technically
conform
with
provisions
of
the
zoning
by
law.
Next
slide,
please.
AS
So
third
relief
is
requested
to
permit
the
entrance
of
the
garage
for
Lot
B
to
be
set
back
zero
meters
further
from
the
front
lot
line,
then
the
front
wall
of
the
building,
whereas
0.6
meters
is
required.
So
as
shown
on
the
image
before
you,
this
is
simply
based
on
the
angular
nature
of
the
corner,
side
yard
and
the
orientation
of
the
proposed
entrances
along
the
North
Frontage
next
slide.
Please.
AS
So,
in
summary,
we
know
that
the
proposed
development
conforms
with
the
policies
of
the
official
plan
is
consistent
with
relevant
design
guidelines
and
represents
intensification
in
a
low-rise
form
that
is
within
close
proximity
to
planned
Rapid
Transit.
The
proposed
development
represents
good
land
use
planning
and
we
concur
with
staff
recommendations
to
approve
the
request
of
zoning
by
a
law,
Amendment
and
respectfully
requests
support
from
planning
committee
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation
next
slide.
Please-
and
that's
just
a
thank
you
and
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
any
questions
as
requested.
AC
S
Chair
if
I
may
respond
on
the
on
behalf
the
proponents
in
the
application
team,
you
know
there
certainly
has
been
discussion
about
parking.
There's
every
single
infill
application
that
we've
been
involved
with
over
the
last
10
years.
Parking
has
been
an
issue
in
this
particular
case,
though
we
are
providing
twice
the
amount
of
parking
that's
required
under
the
zoning
bylaw
parking
requirement
for
this
development
is
one
space
for
each
of
the
townhouse
units.
So
a
grand
total
of
three
required
parking
spaces.
S
As
Jeff
has
indicated
in
his
presentation
of
the
committee,
we
are
providing
the
three
required
parking
spaces
and
then
there
is
a
legal
parking
space
in
the
driveway
leading
to
each
of
those
parking
spaces.
So
a
total
of
six
parking
spaces
are
being
provided
on
the
site.
Those
six
parking
spaces
will
be
available
to
the
tenants
in
the
principal
dwelling
to
your
question
about
the
secondary
dwelling
units.
S
These
are
very
small
units,
we're
anticipating
that
they
will
most
likely
be
rented
to
students
at
Algonquin
College,
which
is
within
walking
distance
or
easy
cycling.
Distance
of
the
site,
as
Jeff
has
indicated,
we've
spoken
with
our
clients
and
they
will
ensure
that
the
lease
agreements
for
those
basement
units
will
include
notification
that
no
parking
is
available
for
them
on
site
that
no
on-street
permit
parking
will
be
available
to
them
either.
S
AC
I
I
still
get
too
many
calls
from
tenants
who
have
been
told,
yeah,
there's
no
parking
spots
at
this
building,
but
you
can
park
on
the
street
and
then
when
they
find
out
that
there
are
winter
parking
bands.
During
the
day
there
are
winter
parking
bands
at
night
that
neighbors
call
bylaw
when
they
go
overtime
on
the
street,
that
it
turns
out
to
be
very
challenging
to
try
to
count
on
street
parking.
S
A
D
D
The
difficulty
with
this
space
is
everybody
is
of
the
same
mind
that
this
is
over
intensification
for
the
spot.
There's
a
single
family
home
there
and
pretty
much.
The
community
is
accepting
that.
If
you
knock
that
down
and
you
build
free
town
home
units,
you
would
you
would
increase
the
ability
to
to
occupy
that
space
But
threefold.
D
It's
it's
the
addition
of
the
three
other
units
which
is
going
to
create
six
units-
and
let
me
just
speak
to
that
I
was
going
to
ask
you
to
defer,
but
I,
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
defer
I'm
going
to
in
fact
ask
you
to
turn
it
down
flat
and
and
I'll
explain
why
the
logic
is
is
is
is
is
is,
is,
is
faulty
and
premature.
To
my
mind,
part
of
it
is
based
on
we're
going
to
have
a
an
LRT
station
there.
D
This
is
for
the
extension
of
to
barhaven.
We
don't.
We
haven't
finished
file
design.
We
have
no
funding
whatsoever
from
anybody,
and
the
anticipation
is
the
funding
is
to
be
from
the
other
levels
of
government.
So
it's
not
at
all
clear
if
and
when
this
is
going
to
be
built,
but
we
do
know
if
this
is
approved
today
that
this
this
project
will
be
built
with,
probably
in
the
year
18
months.
D
The
Baseline
station
is
the
only
one
in
the
city
to
my
knowledge
that
we
actually
have
parking
restrictions
on,
because
the
students
poached
the
parking
spaces
and
the
people
that
are
using
Transit
can't
park
there
to
use
Transit.
So
there
there
are
restrictions
as
to
when
you
can
park
there
and
that
you
need
permits
to
park
there
and
I
can
tell
you
from
teaching
part-time
at
Algonquin
all
the
parking
spots
that
Algonquin
are
full
as
well
with
students
they
take
their
cars.
D
Not
not
every
student
obviously
drives,
but
a
lot
of
students
do
drive
and
we've
had
to
take
those
special
precautions
around
that
area.
To
do
it,
there
Jeff
you,
you
summed
it
up.
Well,
there
are
existing
issues
already
with
parking
on
the
street,
especially
around
snow
removal
and
kids
playing
on
the
street
and
the
concern
around
Sight
lines
of
cars
parked
in
front
of
Lawns
and
driveways.
D
The
community
feels
very
strongly
that's
only
going
to
be
exacerbated
by
this.
Almost
40
people
came
out
to
the
to
the
open
house,
most
of
the
people
that
live
in
the
area.
They
also
file
the
petition.
So
they're
not
saying
no
to
intensification.
They're,
saying
intensification
is
fine,
but
this
is
over
intensifying
the
spot.
You
could
easily
have
12
cars
if
couples
rent
each
of
those
units.
D
D
D
That's
not
saying
no
to
intensification,
they're,
saying
yes
to
reasonable
intensification
to
intensification
that
will
fit
well
within
the
community
and
not
that
over-intensification
be
be
shoved
down.
Their
throats
basically
is
is
what
they're
asking
so
I
leave
with
you.
I
don't
have
a
vote
today.
I
know
how
I'll
vote
at
Council
probably
be
the
last
vote
that
I
take
at
Council
and
and
I
will
be
absolutely
voting.
No,
but
I.
D
Think
there's
there's,
you
know
we
want
intensification
to
work
throughout
the
whole
city
and
to
do
that,
we
have
to
work
with
our
communities.
We
can't
force
it
on
them.
We
have
to
work
with
them
and
come
up
with
something
that
that
fits
in
well
with
the
existing
fabric
of
the
streets,
and
this
simply
doesn't
thank
you.
A
Okay,
let's
do
years
and
nays
on
this
Kelly
if
we
can
so
this
is
the
zoning
byline
member
for
25
Fair
Oaks
Crescent,
the
planning
committee
recommend
Council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw
2008-250
for
25
Fair
Oaks
Crescent
is
shown
in
document
one
to
permit
three
townhouse
dwellings
with
detailed
in
documents.
Two
and
three
the
planning
committee
approved
the
consultation
details.
Section
of
this
report
be
included
as
part
of
the
brief
explanation:
Etc
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
Kelly.
R
K
A
A
D
D
This
is
a
proposal
for
I
believe
it's
60
units
of
supportive,
affordable
housing.
It
is
proposed
to
be
a
partnership
with
salus,
which
is
an
organization
we're
all
well
familiar
with.
That
has
an
excellent
reputation
for
delivering
a
good
project
and
being
there,
as
it
goes
forward
to
support
the
residents
that
move
in
there
very
excited
about
this
project
and
I
would
I
would
ask
you
to
support
this
one.
D
If,
if
I
could
make
a
quick
comment,
one
of
the
issues
that
has
come
up
is
around
whether
or
not
the
Lance
be
used
for
some
sort
of
recreational
space
or
because
what
used
to
be
there
was
a.
Was
a
Curling
Club
I'm
not
going
to
be
around
to
ask
the
questions,
but
I
did
discuss
it
extensively
with
Kevin
weary
about
whether
that
was
a
possibility
or
not.
Kevin
can
certainly
speak
to
it.
D
There
will
be
two
new
parks
coming
this
coming
to
this
community
and
again
I
I
urge
you,
if
you
have
any
concern
to
ask
Kevin
he's
still
on
the
line,
but
I
had
extensive
discussions
with
him
and
that's
why
parts
are
not
considering
this
as
a
Park
location,
it
simply
doesn't
meet
our
size
requirements
even
for
for
a
small
part.
So
again,
100
behind
this
I
think
it's
a
fabulous
project.
A
Okay,
thank
you
Council
Agway,
so
we
have
two
public
delegations
registered.
We
have
the
applicant
here
as
well.
There
is
a
presentation
available
from
staff,
I'll
look
to
committee.
Would
you
like
to
have
the
presentation
or
do
we
skip
the
presentation
for
this
presentation?
Yes,
thumbs
up
presentation,
note:
okay,
we
will
skip
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
Y
Thank
you.
It
is,
whereas
reports
ACS,
2022,
pi
eps0132,
recommends
amending
the
city
of
what
I
was
doing
a
biological
prepared,
a
four-story
apartment
building,
which
is
intended
for
affordable
housing.
Whereas
document
two
details
recommend
zoning,
it
tends
to
require
minimum
parking
for
visitors
but
require
no
minimum
parking
for
residential.
Tenants,
therefore
be
resolved.
Y
As
section
2
point
D
bullet
point:
four,
the
holding
symbol
may
only
be
removed
when
one
a
site
plan
is
approved
to
satisfaction,
general
manager,
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
and
to
the
owner
and
Housing
Services
have
executed
agreement
related
to
the
affordable
housing
on
the
site.
Therefore,
be
it
further
resolve
that
no
there'll
be
no
further
notice
pursuing
to
section
3417
of
the
planning
Act.
A
AT
AT
AT
Also
with
me,
I
have
Bria
ERD
and
Brian
Casa
Grande
from
protent,
as
well
as
Alessandra
guarano
from
McDonald
Brothers,
as
well
as
Anthony
leaning
and
Daryl
Hood
from
CSV
Architects.
To
answer
any
questions
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
with
the
cheers
permission
I
have
a
short
presentation
next
slide.
Please.
AT
The
subject
property
that
we're
here
to
discuss
today
is
located
about
120
meters,
east
of
Maryville
Road,
and
about
commercial
uses
that
are
front
onto
Maryville.
The
site
was
originally
home
to
the
City
View
Curling
Club,
which
has
since
been
located
Southward
on
the
lot
by
the
McDonald
Brothers
in
collaboration
with
the
curling
club
in
2016.
The
lot
was
separate
to
create
a
fog
lot
for
the
curling
club
and
a
new
lot
which
the
McDonald
Brothers
had
intended
to
develop
as
an
affordable
housing
project
and
is
subject
to
the
app
development
application.
AT
Today,
the
subject
property
retained
its
original
L1
zoning,
which
was
a
barrier
to
the
owner
in
finding
an
appropriate
partner
for
affordable
housing.
Next
slide,
please
Photon
was
retained
to
assist
with
the
rezoning
of
the
site
to
an
appropriate
residential
Zone
following
an
initial
application:
submissions,
Allison,
McDonald
brother's
partner
to
deliver
affordable
housing,
affordable
Supportive
Housing
on
the
site,
as
generally
shown
in
this
concept
plan
next
slide.
Please.
AT
The
requested
zoning
by
allow
Amendment
before
you
today
reflects
what
Salas
and
McDonald's
Brothers
required
to
develop
the
site
with
an
appropriate
desirable
social
housing
project
and
a
low-rise
apartment
building
for
Irma.
The
rezoning
will
provide
certainty
for
salice
and
McDonald
Brothers
to
invest
in
diesel
design
work
which
will
be
vetted
through
as
I
plan
to
control
application
process.
The
r4z
Zone
will
allow
the
proposed
apartment
use
with
an
appropriate
performance
standards.
AT
We
have
requested
reductions
to
the
West
interior
side,
yard
setback
and
the
rear
yard
setback
requirements
to
reflect
the
site's
context,
adjacent
to
an
arterial,
Main,
Street
property
to
the
west
and
the
curling
club
to
this
set.
This
will
allow
the
amenity
area
to
be
located
internally
to
the
site
where
it
will
be
shielded
from
loading
areas
on
a
budding
properties.
Finally,
we
have
requested
that
no
vehicle
parking
be
required
for
residents.
AT
This
reflects
Dallas's
long
experience
with
their
attendance
and
is
tied
to
a
holding
Zone
that
will
ensure
that
this
reduction
is
only
applied
to
an
appropriate,
affordable
housing
development.
We
appreciate
the
staff's
assistance
is
working
with
us
to
get
us
on
today's
planning
committee.
We
understand
there
is
a
motion
proposed
today
and
would
like
to
say
that
while
we
agree
with
the
general
intent
of
this
motion,
we
have
some
concerns
about
the
exact
wording.
I'll
hand
it
off
to
Mark
McAuley
to
speak
about
solace.
AU
Thank
you
and
my
name
is
Mark
McCauley,
again
I'm
the
executive
director
at
Ottawa,
Silas
and
I.
Thank
you
to
the
planning
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
As
many
of
us
know,
one
in
five
Canadians
will
experience
a
mental
health
issue
and
78
percent
report
using
substances
and
when
mental
health
and
substance
use
health
challenges
arise.
It
impacts
a
person's
ability
and
for
overall
well-being
and
stable
housing
for
45
years.
Salas
has
been
providing
quality,
affordable
housing
for
persons
in
the
Ottawa
area
and
our
vision
is
stable,
housing
for
everyone.
AU
In
addition,
many
of
our
developments
were
brought
to
fruition
in
partnership
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
create
affordable,
Supportive
Housing.
Our
tenants
are
persons
who
live
independently
and
have
the
same
rights
and
responsibilities
of
any
other
renter.
Our
tenants
have
the
opportunity
to
volunteer
voluntarily
access
additional
supports,
so
this
particular
site
at
Capilano.
We
are
very
excited
for
this
location
with
our
tenants
primary
source
of
income
being
ODSP
they're
heavily
reliant
on
public
transportation.
AU
Our
lack
of
parking
needs
have
been
previously
proven
through
independent
parking
studies,
and
the
parking
allocated
for
the
proposed
development
exceeds
what
we
typically
require
for
previous
developments,
for
example,
of
our
15
sites
that
we
have
already
across
the
city.
Only
eight
tenants
require
parking
spots.
56
Capilano
is
well
resourced.
For
the
people
who
rely
on
public
transport,
we
did
a
little
survey
and
many
of
the
services
they
require
are
less
than
11
minute.
AU
Walk
to
those,
for
example,
the
Nepean
Rito
Osgood
community
resource
center,
and
so
our
goal
here
as
a
community
partner,
is
to
assist
the
city
in
providing
affordable
housing.
This
is
a
perfectly
suited
location
to
provide
homes
for
some
of
our
City's,
most
marginalized
persons,
and
while
we
have
the
support
of
the
counselor
in
the
ward
and
our
plan
aligns
with
the
mandates
of
the
incoming
mayor,
we'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
the
planning
committee
for
consideration
of
our
request.
AU
A
AV
Very
well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
all
today,
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
on
behalf
of
the
Fisher
Heights
Community
Association
I,
actually,
I
had
to
get
a
bit
of
whiplash
watching
account.
Strag
lies
a
presentation
over
the
these
two
last
two
files,
because
a
lot
of
the
same
arguments
he
made
in
a
previous
one
also
apply
to
this
one.
AV
AV
We
also
think
that
some
consideration
should
be
given
as
to
whether
or
not
you
know
R4
is
the
appropriate
Zoning
for
Supportive
Housing.
It
may
be
better
suited
to
be
considered
a
a
an
eye
on
a
Zone
zoning
category,
such
as
an
i1
which
would
allow
it
to
continue
serving
a
community
function,
moving
forward,
as
opposed
to
be
a
general
sort
of
R4,
high
density,
residential
zoning
and
and
related
to
that
topic
is
really
the
parking
situation.
AV
I've
heard
that
you
know
the
assurances
that
you
know
the
residents
will
not
be
requiring
parking,
but
I.
Don't
know
that,
given
that
the
original
application
I
had
five
visitor
parking
spots
allocated
to
the
the
to
over
50
units,
that
that
is
a
sufficient
enough
amount
of
parking
to
accommodate
the
residents,
visitors,
staff
delivery
and
the
accessibility
needs
of
the
residents
of
the
of
the
building.
AV
And
we
would
like
that
sort
of
a
look
that
originally
the
application
was
asking
for
exemptions
on
the
number
of
parking,
and
we
believe
that
that
was
also
changed
between
your
initial
presentation
and
now
and
we
feel
like.
Maybe
this
needs
to
be
recirculated
to
the
community.
So
they'd
have
an
opportunity
to
digest
some
of
the
changes
that
have
happened
since
the
original.
AV
AV
So
I
saw
that
in
this
version
of
the
presentation,
what
I'm
saying
is
our
community
did
not
get
a
chance
to
see
that
version
of
the
presentation
during
the
original
consultation.
So
they
have
not
had
a
chance
to
weigh
in
because
the
the
Pres,
the
application
in
his
current
form,
is
for
an
apartment
building
of
50
units
with
underground
parking
and
and
surface
parking,
and
that
seems
to
have
changed
quite
a
bit
so
we'd
like
to
we.
We
haven't
really
had
a
chance
to
review
any
of
these
updates.
D
Don't
know
if
you
heard
the
comments
around
the
park
issue,
that
staff
has
confirmed
that,
in
fact
the
the
piece
of
land
is
not
big
enough
doesn't
meet
our
minimum
threshold
to
create
a
park
and
the
further
that
your
community
is
looking
at
getting
two
new
parks
over
the
next
couple
of
years
as
a
result
of
other
other
applications.
Were
you
aware
of
that
I.
AV
I
am
aware
of
that,
sir.
The
thing
is,
those
on
new
additions
are
not
definitive,
they're
they're
contingent
on
those
other
applications
being
allowed
to
proceed,
and
even
if
those
new
parks
were
to
be
created
that
would
not
sufficiently
address
I
think
the
the
deficiency
of
recreational
spaces
we
already
have
in
the
community.
Well,.
D
And
the
other
piece
that
I'm
going
to
ask
one
of
my
colleagues
because
I
do
have
to
leave
to
please
ask
Kevin
weary,
there's
some
misunderstanding
around
a
report
that
was
prepared
around
the
availability
of
Parkland
and
understanding
that
it
refers
to
Awards
when
in
fact,
it's
broken
down
in
that
into
the
new
concept.
We're
using
of
transects
and
Kevin
can
explain
so
I
would
ask
I,
see
Jeff
nodding's
head,
maybe
Jeff!
You
could
ask
that
question.
D
Kevin
will
be
able
to
explain
what
the
difference
is
between
the
the
ward
availability
and
the
Trans
Tech
availability
and
and
what
the
plans
are
for
for
ward,
nine,
so
Jeff.
If
you
could
do
that,
I
would
appreciate
that
and
I
have
to
run
I
apologize
for
that.
But
the
last
item
took
much
longer
than
anybody
anticipated,
I,
think
and
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
and
again,
thank
you
for
coming
out
and
also
thank
the
the
applicant
for
the
presentation
that
they
made
and
very
quickly.
D
A
AV
AW
You
very
much
so
it's
unfortunate
that
councilor
egglei
have
left,
because
I
had
actually
responds
to
a
lot
of
things.
He
had
said
to
first
off
to
start
off.
I
am
representing
myself
here
and
I
live
240
meters
away
from
this
proposed
land.
So
while
this
is
Green
Space
right
now
and
it
is
zoned
at
L1,
it
is
being
used
by
the
community
as
an
unofficial,
Green
Space.
Just
because
we
have
it.
We
have
so
many
people.
There
I
see
it
all
the
time.
People
using
it
to
fly
kites
play
soccer
Etc.
AW
So,
yes,
there
is
being
used,
and
second
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
counselor
eglay
and
did
not
do
a
program
very
well.
Community
consultation
for
a
community
on
designated
L1.
We
had
only
one
public
meeting
and
during
then
the
widely
circulated
Zoom
link
did
not
function.
It
had
to
be
recirculated
quite
delayed
after
the
meeting
was
supposed
to
have
scheduled.
AW
This
has
prevented
a
lot
of
my
neighbors
to
be
able
to
participate
because
they
did
not
get
the
updated
Zoom
link,
and
this
was
submitted
in
devops
at
end
of
June,
and
we
are
right
now
and
end
of
October.
Having
this
discussion,
the
Salas
update
was
not
presented
during
the
August
public
hearing.
It
was
circulated
in
by
Mr
counselor
eggless
office
in
October
12th,
so
nobody
in
the
community
has
received
it
devops
site
for
this
application
does
not
include
this
new
information,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
this
has
been
well
circulated
for
the
community.
AW
AW
So
we
would,
at
this
point
I
would
myself
would
like
to
have
it
differ
just
so,
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
is
being
proposed
and
what
we're
losing
we're,
not
actually
rebutting
on
the
seller's
proposal.
We
just
want
a
better
under
understanding
and
a
better
Community
consultation.
In
addition
to
that,
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
the
page,
59
land,
first
policy
of
the
Parks
and
Recreation
and
master
plan,
which
says
any
area
that
is
less
than
two
hectares
per
thousand
should
get
a
priority.
AW
We
just
want
a
better
understanding
how
this
is
going
to
be
addressed
for
our
area
before
we
can
say
yay
or
nay
to
this,
and
finally,
it
is
requested.
The
zoning
change
to
be
a
Z4
which
is
for
residential,
only
policy.
However,
this
is
not
a
residential
only
policy
in
the
salices
introduction
email
that
councilor
Aguila
has
circulated.
It
says
that
Sal
is
intends
to
deliver
combination
of
Housing
and
treatment
services
on
site,
such
as
mental
health
and
addiction
treatment
with
around
a
24-hour
administrative
staff.
AW
So
with
that
and
under
Supportive
Housing,
how
is
this
Z4
I?
Don't
believe
this
has
been
sufficient
in
demonstrating
that
it
is
for
Z4,
so
we
would
like
to
have
it
deferred,
so
a
community
can
have
a
greater
input
and
understanding.
First
condition
should
be
that
we
have
a
better
understanding
on
how
City
intends
to
address
the
equity
concern
we
have
regarding
the
recreational
and
Parkland
for
this
award
or
in
change
the
target
rate.
We
don't
have
to
be
married
to
the
intensification
Target
rate
for
this
area.
AW
Second,
how
City
implants
under
2.1,
section
2.1
in
park
planning
act?
City
cat
has
the
option
to
do
a
land
swap,
so
we
can
have
something
similar
or
greater
in
size
that
will
Service
as
a
green
space
for
this
community
and
finally,
the
application
should
be
resubmitted
to
explain
why
R4
zoning
is
needed
to
given
this
application
and
have
a
broader
Community
consultation.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
Sabrina.
Are
there
any
questions
from
counselors,
okay,
I'm?
Seeing
that
thanks
for
joining
us
today
and
for
your
comments
Sabrina
for
the
committee,
we'll
go
back
to
questions
for
the
applicant,
the
applicant's
team?
Well,
we
met
Harrison
Mark,
but
there's
a
number
of
other
experts
here.
If
there
are
any
questions,
I'm
seeing
no
hands
up
from
the
committee
for
the
applicant.
A
AC
Thank
you
very
much.
First
I'll
just
ask
sorry:
I
might
have
asked
the
applicants
on
this
as
well
I'm
fortunate
to
have
a
couple
of
Solace
developments
in
the
in
the
ward
and
one
of
the
things
that
I'll
do
after
this
meeting
is
find
out
how
Keith
was
able
to
get
one
for
his
Ward,
because
I
would
absolutely
seek
more
affordable
housing
for
folks
who
need
it
in
my
ward
and
I'm
quite
jealous
that
another
Solace
has
gone
somewhere
other
than
kitchissippi,
but
the
this
residence
is
going.
AC
I
just
want
to
address
the
question
for
the
for
the
resident
on
the
R4
I.
Guess
it's
proposed
that
this
parcel
would
be
designated
R4.
I
know
that
at
least
the
Salas
residents
on
Rosemount
is
also
in
an
R4
and
I.
Think
most
of
us
think
that,
even
if
it's
providing
some
supports
and
services
that
it
is
still
a
residential
use,
absolutely
this
is
where
people
are
going
to
live
so,
but
could
I
just
ask
planning
staff
to
describe
how
this
use
is
permitted
in
an
R4.
AA
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
question
counselor,
so
we
determined
it
as
an
R4
use
because
it
is
residential
in
nature
and
the
other
consideration
was
a
group
home,
but
under
the
definition
for
a
group
home.
That's
where
staff
are
typically
more
present
day
to
day
it's
a
situation
where
residents
live
as
a
group
as
a
single
household
or
housekeeping
activities,
and
that's
not
what's
been
proposed
for
this
development.
AC
No,
so
it's
it
is
properly
zoned
for
residential
use
in
your
views.
Thank
you
very
much.
Kevin
I
know
you've
been
listening
to
the
discussion
around
deficit
of
park,
space
and
I.
You
know
that
is
something
that
we're
all
facing
I
think
today,
we've
approved
170
floors
worth
of
residential
development
in
kitchissippi,
with
a
very
modest
increase
to
the
size
of
one
of
our
Parks,
thus
far,
so
we're
all
we're
all
feeling
it.
AE
Well,
first
of
all,
counselor
sorry
through
you,
Mr,
chair,
councilor,
leaper
I,
just
want
to
express
my
gratitude
at
the
resident
who
was
actually
did
a
deep
dive
into
the
master
plan.
It's
the
first
time,
I've
been
a
committee
and
had
somebody
actually
dig
into
it,
and
and
and
thank
you
very
much
so,
first
of
all
this,
this
area
of
town-
this
doesn't
just
include
Knoxville
Maryville.
AE
AE
And
so
this
will
come
up
during
site
plan
approval,
not
during
zoning.
My
planner
did
not
err
in
saying
we
will
only
take
cash
and
live
Parkland
because
that
applies
to
whatever
the
development
may
be.
We
don't
know
until
site
plan
comes
in
and
it's
identified
purely
as,
and
it
is
requirement
is
actually
the
treasurer
is
the
one
who
will
confirm
that
it
is
an
appropriate,
affordable
housing
project
that
meets
the
terms.
AE
It'll
meet
the
terms
it
will
need
to
meet
it
for
development
charge
and
we'll
need
to
meet
it
for
Parkland
dedication
by
law
as
well.
Lastly,
regarding
the
L1
there's
very
few
properties
in
the
city
that
are
zoned
L1
that
are
not
owned
by
the
city,
but
there
we
we
have
zero
ownership.
Here
we
don't
own
anything
so
how
it
was
zoned
o1
back
in
the
2008
zoning
bylaw
is
beyond
my
knowledge.
AE
It
could
have
been
zoned
institutional,
it
could
have
been
zoned
different
things
as
well,
but
it
was
zoned
L1
and
that's
most
likely
because
of
the
recreational
aspect
of
the
curling
club.
But,
let's
remember
that's
private.
It
was
not
publicly
owned.
You
know,
for
instance,
I
think
the
Nepean
Sportsplex
is
zoned
L1.
So
whatever
happened,
there
seems
anomalous
to
me,
but
that's
not
a
big
concern
to
me
because
we
did
not
when
we
did
the
Parks
and
Recreation
facilities
master
plan.
We
did
not
classify
lands
by
what
they
are
zoned.
AC
AE
AC
And
Molly
I'm,
sorry
I,
don't
have
the
site
plan
in
front
of
me
or
the
the
concept
plan
in
front
of
me.
There's
I
think
this
has
a
reasonably
significant
amount
of
private
amenity
space
being
built
in
land.
That's
available
for
the
exclusive
use
of
the
residents
who
are
here,
Green
Space,
it's
available
for
the
use.
Y
Y
AC
Y
Y
See
them
in
front
of
us
is
that
a
planning
committee
recommend
Council
of
proven
amendment
to
joining
by
law,
2008-250
for
56
Capilano
Drive,
as
shown
document
one
to
reason
on
the
property
from
L1
to
r4z,
with
the
holding
provision
to
permit
a
four-story,
a
low
rise
apartment
building
is
detailed
document
2
and
that
two
the
plan
committee
approve
the
Constitutional
sections
of
this
report.
So
on
the
on
the
technical
Amendment
from
earlier
that
I
moved
it's
not
carried.
Y
J
Thanks
very
much
chair,
I'll
try
to
be
quick.
I,
just
there's
been
a
lot
of
updates
recently
from
The
Province,
and
this
has
come
through
with
relevance,
I
think
for
our
Green
Field
development
and
so
I
guess
just
to
staff
the
the
changes
that
you're
seeing
in
that
legislation
from
Ontario
I'm
wondering
oh
okay,
okay,
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
can
give
us
an
update
on
on
how
that
may
affect
our
future
progress
projections
for
for
Greenfield
land
and
then
I
have
some
questions
specifically
about
the
the
report
itself.
AD
AD
AD
J
Thank
you
for
that
and
chair.
It
was
a
good
report.
I
think
it's
encouraging,
because
it
seems
that
our
Greenfield
demand
is
a
little
lower
than
than
we
had
anticipated
in
the
the
new
official
plan
from
from
2018
to
2021,
and
so
you
know,
the
actual
consumption
was
was
down
a
bit,
which
I
think
is
encouraging
and
I
guess
I'll
just
get
stopped
to
comment
on
that.
AD
However,
when
we
look
at
land
consumption,
we
use
a
five-year
average
to
try
and
smooth
out
any
you
know,
Peaks
and
dips
that
might
occur
through
an
annual
basis.
So
on
that
five
year
average
has
been
increasing
slightly
and
we'll
note
that
2021
period,
it's
actually
been
quite
high.
So
so
don't
know
if
that's
a
peak,
that's
a
one-time
thing.
That's
why
we
use
the
five
year
average.
So
we'll
have
to
continue
to
monitor
that
in
terms
of
the
intensification
piece
it
has
been
higher
than
rejected.
AD
However,
the
component
of
that
that
infield
is
mostly
apartment
related
and
there's
this
committee
Might
Recall
from
the
new
official
plan
and
the
residential
rules
management
strategy.
Our
intensification
wasn't
those
percentages.
Those
targets
wasn't
just
meant
to
be
total
units,
but
we
need
to
have
a
certain
percentage
or
number
of
different
large
dwellings
that
are
that
are
part
of
that,
and
that
is
because
we
wanted
to
try
and
offset
some
of
the
demand
that
would
traditionally
have
gone
out
to
the
greenfields
development,
where
the
majority
of
new
large
developments
is
provided.
AD
So
on
that
note,
even
though
the
total
number
is
higher,
proportion
of
large
dwellings
is
lower
than
when
we
had
a
projected
through
the
residential
growth
management
strategy
in
terms
of
population
projections,
this
committee
did
receive
the
annual
development
report
for
2021
a
few
committee
Cycles
ago,
and
we
spoke
a
little
bit
to
the
population
projections
in
that
report
and
how
it's
you
know.
So
the
staff
projection
is
about
10
000.
More
than
the
most
recent
stats
can
post
stencil
estimate
for
those
if
you're,
if
you're
wanting
the
postal
accounts.
AD
AD
However,
there
is
a
caveat,
but
we
need
to
have
a
couple
more
years
of
monitoring
because
it
could
be
covered
related,
we're
not
sure
about
sort
of
the
the
immigration
rates
and
how
that
applies.
Because
of
how
the
border
the
travel
restrictions
and
because
of
the
delay
in
data
there's
usually
at
least
a
one
year
lag.
So
we
might
have
to
wait,
wait
for
two
more
years
to
see
how
pandemic
recovery
Bears
out
for
the
project
for
the
population
and
compared
to
our
previous
projections.
C
AC
Thanks
spoken
with
chair
Gower
last
night
about
introducing
a
piece
of
new
business,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
that
at
this
point.
Symptomatically
related
I'm,
wondering
if
planning
staff
can
give
us
an
idea
of
the
path
forward
on
the
housing
legislation
that
was
introduced
by
The
Province
over
the
past
couple
of
days.
What
kind
of
information
should
counselors
expect
to
receive
that
we
can
start
talking
to
our
residents
about
and
what
are
the
city's
opportunities
for
input?
How
can
counselors
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
input
into
the
city's
input.
AJ
Mr,
chair,
I
will
lead
off
and
the
Mr
wise
will
follow.
So
we
staff
all
monitoring
this
through
the
legislature,
as
we
observed
with
both
below
one
109
in
the
spring
and
Bill
three
in
the
fall
legislation
is
being
given
a
a
very
quick
consideration
by
the
legislature.
Bill
3
was
scheduled.
Pardon
me,
Bill
23
was
scheduled
for
both
the
morning
and
the
afternoon
on
Wednesday
after
being
introduced
on
Tuesday
and
then
again
was
scheduled
for
debate
on
both
the
morning
and
the
afternoon
today.
AJ
So
it
looks
like
the
government
is
aiming
for
quick
passage
as
I
recall,
Bill
109
was
through
the
complete
process.
First
second
committee
and
third
readings.
In
a
couple
of
weeks.
We
don't
have
a
statement
from
the
government
saying
that
it's
going
to
do
the
same
thing
with
Bill
23,
but
it
may,
and
so
we
may
see
a
rapid
consideration
by
the
legislature's
second
reading
standing
committee
and
then
third
reading
I
would
pass
it
over
to
Mr
wise
now
for
how
staff
are
looking
at
response
by
the
city.
AX
Thank
you
chair.
The
challenge
that
we
have
here
is
that
bill
23
is
an
absolutely
enormous
piece
of
legislation
that
touches
nearly
every
aspect
of
functioning
of
our
organization,
and
we
have
very
little
time
with
which
to
respond.
Staff
are
currently
right
now
doing
an
analysis
of
what
all
of
these
various
pieces
mean
when
you
put
them
all
together.
What
are
the
changes
to
development
charges
act?
How
do
those
changes,
impact,
affordable,
housing,
Supply
and
our
opportunity
to
provide
infrastructure,
Services
transportation
services
all
the
way
across
the
board?
AX
AX
We
are
also
cognizant,
however,
that
you
will,
in
turn,
counselors
and
Mayors
will,
in
turn,
need
to
understand
what
the
implications
of
Bill
23
are
in
terms
of
the
financial,
the
operational
implications,
the
changes
to
planning
act,
process,
the
changes
to
oversight
and
approval,
Authority,
etc.
Those
are
items
that
staff
are
also
going
to
be
preparing.
AX
Our
focus
is
right
now
responding
directly
to
provide
our
comments
to
the
province,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
the
city
of
ottawa's
concerns
noted
at
least
on
the
record,
but
we
will
also
be
preparing
documentation
for
counselors
as
well,
so
that
we
can
not
just
simply
list
out
what
the
issues
are,
but
so
that
we
can
also
explain
why
they
matter
and
what
the
impact
of
those
issues
are
going
to
be,
as
this
Council
moves
its
way
forward.
We
are
looking
at
doing
this
as
fast
as
we
can.
AX
AX
That's
something
where
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
have
to
find
a
way
to
loop
back
in
some
way
to
make
sure
that
we're
reflecting
those
if
there
are
concerns
that
the
counselors
have
you
can
feel
free
to
to
send
those
to
me
and
I
will
do
my
best
to
to
incorporate
those
within
the
within
the
memorandum.
The
challenge
that
we
have
is
that
we
do
have
such
an
incredibly
tight
time
frame
in
an
ideal
circumstance.
This
we
would
write
a
letter.
AX
AX
Y
R
Thanks
chair,
I
I
am
going
to
push
back
a
little
bit
because
this
bill,
the
significance
of
this
bill
I,
think,
does
require
at
least
this
committee
membership,
even
on
a
24-hour
circulation
to
review
staffs
intended
response
to
the
government.
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
the
same
awareness
that
staff
do
about
all
the
subject
matter.
They
want
to
cover
off
in
their
response
and
so
suggesting
we
write
to
staff
with
our
concerns.
R
I
appreciate
the
offer,
but
I
would
I
would
have
greater
comfort
in
getting
a
24-hour
courtesy
review
of
the
draft
before
it's
submitted,
just
to
ensure
that
we
have
seen
it
and
concur
with
the
main
themes.
I
think
the
significance
of
this
legislation
is
like
we
haven't
seen
in
recent
memory
and
I'm
I'm,
suggesting
that
we
formally
make
this
request
today.
Acknowledging
that
time
is
tight,
give
us
an
overnight
to
review
the
document
and
provide
comments
to
staff
if
we
feel
so
inclined.
AU
Y
AJ
AJ
Of
it,
but
I
understood
that
to
be
the
case,
Mr
chair,
and
it's
just
the
concern
it.
What
I
have
in
my
mind
is
that
it
is
sent
to
the
standing
committee
on
on
on
Tuesday
and
I.
Don't
know
that
it
will
not
be
Mr.
Chair
of
the
standing
committee
on
Tuesday,
stop
my
understanding
of
when
staff
believe
they
may
have
a
letter
ready
is
by
maybe
late
Tuesday
or
Wednesday
of
next
week,
and
and
so
we
wouldn't.
If
it
goes
standing
committee
on
Tuesday,
we
will
not
have
the
24
hours.
AJ
Y
Y
So,
thank
you,
Natalie
for
your
report
on
the
Greenfield
residential
land.
Supply
with
that
can
I
accept
that
planning.
Can
we
receive
this
report
for
information?
Let's
see
if
I'm
received
Steve.
Thank
you
and
that's
that
so
it's
the
in-cam
items,
I
don't
have
any
notice.
The
motion,
not
me.
You
guys
already
know
what
the
next
planning
committee
is.
So
we
can
notice
the
motion
for
what,
for
the
other
people,
I
could
do.
I
can
do
six
notes
of
motion.