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Planning Committee - 14 January 2021 - Audio Stream
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A
Okay,
it
is
9
30,
so
we
will
start.
I
don't
know
of
any
regrets,
but
some
people
may
not
be
in
zoom
yet
in
the
meeting
room,
but
anyways
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
2
to
12
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
a
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
in
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council,
which
will
be
on
january
27th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
coordinator,
ms
melody.
A
B
C
A
A
The
next
item
is
33
maple
grove
road.
We
have
several
speakers,
that's
in
counselor,
hughes,
ward,
we'll
be
holding
that
item
number
three
is
zoning
by
law,
amendment
1155
joseph
said
since
joseph
cear
street
and
1082
cerebral
road
in
councillor
tyranny's
award.
I
have
no
speakers
in
opposition.
I
do
have
the
applicant
here
to
speak.
If
need
be
so,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
this
item.
A
A
We
have
no
speakers
in
opposition.
The
applicant
is
here.
If
needs
be
to
speak,
and
I
see
nico
that
you
are
there.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
a
different
maple
grove,
but
the
one
in
stittsville
the
application
there?
I
see
none
nico.
If
we're
prepared
to
carry
this,
do
you
still
need
to
speak.
E
A
F
A
A
A
A
A
H
A
A
E
Yep.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
a
motion
to
defer
where
staff
became
aware
on
january
12th
of
an
error
in
the
notification
list
for
stakeholders
in
respect
of
today's
public
hearing
for
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendment
at
847,
woodruff
avenue,
and
whereas
one
of
the
affected
stakeholders
has
indicated
that
he
did
not
receive
notice
of
this
meeting
until
january
11
and
has
requested
to
be
given
the
full
allotted
10
days
of
notice
to
prepare
for
participation
in
the
public
hearing.
I
A
A
E
I
would
I
do
support
this.
This
report
and
I
hope
our
colleagues
will
do
the
same,
but
I
wanted
to
thank
the
the
leadership
of
the
amber
wood
community
for
the
work
that
they've
done
on
this
file
and
it's
part
of
a
broader
plan
to
create
a
sustainable
financial
plan
for
the
amber
wood,
golf
course,
which
is
a
very
important
amenity
in
our
community.
So
thank
you
to
everyone.
Who's
been
involved
in
this
project.
A
A
K
A
A
A
A
A
E
I
I
I
Let's
gain
a
better
understanding
of
the
nature
of
the
work
that
is
done
at
this
location,
and
I
agree
with
them
that
the
non-industrial
charge
does
not
fit
with
what
is
being
proposed.
Unlike
traditional,
auto
motive
repair
shops,
there
is
no
retail
component
to
this
location
and
the
work
being
performed
is
not
sold
on
site.
More
than
98
of
the
business
is
contractual
with
insurance
or
fleet
companies,
as
opposed
to
from
the
general
public.
I
The
majority
of
comparative
applications
that
were
assigned
a
non-industrial
classification
included
locations
that
have
a
retail
component
accept
work
from
the
general
public
or
perform
more
routine
maintenance,
such
as
oil
changes,
tire
changes
and
glass
repair.
In
my
opinion,
the
nature
of
the
work
being
performed
in
this
location
meets
the
definition
of
the
industrial
classification
as
outlined
in
the
dc
bylaw,
and
the
dc
charges
applied
should
reflect
this
use.
I
Madam
chair,
I
certainly
understand
that
the
closest
category
that
staff
could
find
was
automotive
repair,
but
that
really
is
a
different
use.
It
makes
a
significant
difference
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
the
applicants,
and
I
think
right
now,
especially
during
these
coveted
times
when
businesses
across
our
city
are
struggling.
We
should
err
on
the
side
of
our
businesses.
So
I'd
ask
the
committee
members
to
agree
with
this
motion
and
change
this
classification.
A
A
A
So
happy
new
year
to
you
all,
I
hope
you
found
some
rest
over
the
holidays.
I
mean,
if
you
were
doing
as
as
we've
been
told
and
staying
at
home
and
doing
all
the
things
that
we
are
doing
to
try
and
get
that
curve
back
in
shape.
Again,
then,
you
probably
did
get
some
rest
with
our
first
planning
committee
of
the
year.
Just.
A
I
don't
know
why
it
says
this:
oh
somebody
wrote
this
and
I'm
reading
it
and
I'm
going
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
So
I'm
not
saying
it.
I
thought
I
would
send
a
short
summary
of
some
of
the
items
on
the
agenda.
I
plan
to
introduce
the
meeting
with
a
few
words
about
the
major
policy
files
and
where
actually,
what
I
I've
got
is
the
wrong
speaking
note.
A
A
It's
never
boring
at
the
every
two
weeks
committee
meeting,
so
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done,
a
lot
of
policy
to
be
done
and
we'll
start
into
it
right
now
we're
going
to
go
to
item
number
one
which
is
being
held.
I
do
have
a
motion
from
vice
chair
gower
on
this,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know-
and
this
is
the
framework
for
adopting
a
community
benefits
charge
bylaw
to
replace
current
section
37
policies,
there's
a
lot
of
interest,
of
course,
amongst
all
of
us
in
our
communities.
A
Mr
willis,
this
is
his
report
that
he's
you
know
as
our
gm.
He
is
playing
a
very
much
a
leadership
role
and
he
has
to
leave
the
meeting
because,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
on
covet
and
the
new
rules
from
the
province
and
understanding
what
they
are.
So
so
steve
I'm
going
to
ask
you:
are
you
there
steve?
D
D
This
will
not
be
a
big
revenue
generator
for
the
city,
but
it
is
an
opportunity
to
raise
some
some
funds
for
improvements
in
areas
of
high
growth,
and
I
think
you
know
it
is
our
advice
that
we
do
explore
using
this,
and
what
the
report
in
front
of
you
is
a
road
map
on
how
we
will
create
that
new
bylaw
and
get
advice
from
the
community
about
what
areas
we
should
invest
in
with
the
funds
and
also
seek
input
from
the
the
development
community.
Who
would
be
impacted
by
this
as
well.
D
The
report
is
a
process
report
and
finally,
we've
asked
for
a
council
sponsors
group
and
we've
recommended
that
the
chair
counselors,
lieber
and
tierney,
who
represent
the
areas
who
are
getting
some
of
the
most
new
activity
in
the
last
little
while
we
took
a
look
at
who's,
actually
had
those
larger
buildings
actually
popping
up
and
recommend.
Just
as
a
bit
of
a
cross-section
to
get
a
bit
of
advice
into
the
process.
So,
but
with.
J
D
A
E
G
A
A
H
F
Can
I
just
ask
mr
willis
the
both
counselor
mckenny
and
I
probably
others,
have
been
able
to
use
section
37
as
a
contribution
towards
the
capital
cost
of
affordable
housing.
We've
seen
some
projects
move
ahead
as
a
result
of
section
37
benefits
money
that
we've
put
into
our
funds.
The
proposed
process
doesn't
speak
to
consultation
with
housing
advocates.
It
speaks
to
consultation
with
the
federation
of
citizens
associations.
D
Jared
just
quickly
in
response,
I
you
know
we're
absolutely
open
having
a
meeting
with
a
representative
group
of
that
and
if
the
counselors,
who
have
a
relationship
with
which
would
like
to
convene
a
meeting,
will
certainly
show
up
to
help,
explain
the
process
and
how
this
will
work
and
how
it
will
interplay
with
inclusionary
zoning.
As
that
process.
F
D
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
you
said,
my
name
is
alex
cullen
and
I'm
president
of
the
federation
of
citizens
associations.
The
fca
members
of
planning
committee
should
know
that
for
the
last
year
we
completed
our
50th
year
of
existence
growing
from
28
members
in
1970
to
55.
Today,
the
fca
has
been
following
the
provincial
initiative
regarding
the
development
of
the
community
benefit
framework.
The
province
is
interested
in
cutting
red
tape
to
facilitate
development.
K
The
fca
is
interested
in
ensuring
that
established
communities
have
a
say
in
how
this
benefit
will
impact
their
neighborhoods
we're
not
talking
about
small
developments.
Here,
the
threshold
starts
at
five
stories,
10
units
and
up.
Obviously,
we
can
anticipate
larger
proposals
beyond
current
zoning.
If
this
policy
were
to
be
in
place,
the
benefit
has
to
make
sense
to
the
local
community.
In
order
for
this
to
work,
they,
the
local
community,
has
to
have
a
say
in
this
process.
K
Then
there
is
the
deficient
definition
of
a
community
benefit.
A
city-wide
benefit
such
as
a
sports
stadium
or
an
aquarium
shouldn't
be
considered
as
a
community
benefit,
as
the
impacts
of
such
large
scale.
Development
would
significantly
impact
a
local
neighborhood.
Such
large
scale
proposals
would
need
a
different
treatment.
We
are
concerned
that
the
community
benefit
framework
may
be
used
to
accommodate
greater
density
in
order
to
facilitate
community
amenities
that
should
be
built
as
of
right,
such
as
community
centers.
K
We
believe
growth
should
pay
for
growth
and
the
community
benefits
should
not
be
used
as
a
substitute
for
this.
Another
example
is
the
issue
of
parkland
dedication,
which
has
been
recently
removed
by
the
provincial
legislation
that
created
this
new
benefit.
As
you
add
more
development
in
an
area
there
has
to
be
an
accommodating
increase
in
supportive
infrastructure
such
as
parks.
We
don't
have
a
good
measure
of
how
much
park
space
is
required
for
a
certain
number
of
housing
units
in
a
neighborhood.
We
need
to
see
this
developed
and
considered
as
part
of
this
policy.
K
A
Thank
you
very
much
up
the
this
is.
This
is
how
I
have
captured
the
people
that
signed
on
early
councilor,
leeper
councilor
brockington,
who
has
committee
members,
then
councillor
fleury,
council,
monarch
and
councillor
king
of
all
of
you
and
I'm
going
to
hold
that
order.
So
don't
worry
that
you'll
lose
your
place.
M
A
G
D
Chair
council
brockington
raises
a
really
good
point,
and
this
is
a
we
want.
We
part
of
the
work
plan
is
a
cost-benefit
analysis
where
we're
actually
going
to
look
at
this.
To
be
frank,
I
think
if
we
talk
to
some
of
the
counselors
who've
involved
in
section
37
negotiations,
I
think
no
one's
particularly
satisfied
that
section
37
is
actually
doing
a
lot
of
good
for
us
right
now.
D
So
I
I
find
it
you
know,
I
don't
believe
one
tool
or
the
other
will
be
the
be
all
and
end
all
of
everything
we
try
to
accomplish
in
terms
of
paying
for
the
growth.
So
we
will
look
at
that
in
detail
because
you
raise
a
very
very
valid
point
and-
and
we
will
time
our
recommendation
based
on
further
now.
G
Yeah
I
mean
my
my
understanding
from
speaking
with
my
colleagues
at
amo,
when
this
was
being
contemplated,
was
we
were?
Not.
Municipalities
were
not
championing
the
elimination
of
cash
and
lieu
a
significant
re
redefine
of
of
section
37
and
then
the
parkland,
because
we
we
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
going
to
be
a
net
loss
to
what
municipalities
are
able
to
get
out
of
these
types
of
arrangements.
G
So,
as
the
delegate
said,
the
province
initiated
this
to
eliminate
red
tape
and
they
thought
it
would
create
savings
which
would
build
more
affordable
housing
that
that's
still
to
be
debated.
I,
I
don't
believe,
that's
going
to
generate
any
significant
uptake
in
new
units,
but
really
we
have
to
be
able
to
defend
what
we're
getting
out
of
it
now
and
make
sure
that
if
there
are
changes,
we're
still
going
to
get
benefit
for
our
communities,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
sponsors
group,
I'm
glad
this
is
coming
back.
G
D
So
just
recall:
when
the
province
initially
proposed
the
legislation
they
were
going
to
remove
cash
in
lieu
of
parking
and
council
opposed
that,
and
actually
went
so
far
as
to
direct
the
chair
of
planning
chair
harder
to
appear
as
a
deputation
to
the
provincial
standing
committee
hearing
the
legislation,
and
so
I
accompanied
the
chair
and
we
presented
the
city's
position
in
opposition
and
the
province
backed
down
on
on
removing
parkland
dedication.
We
still
have
parkland
dedication,
but
the
only
thing
that.
D
L
D
Okay,
so
so
chair,
cash
and
lieu
will
continue
to
operate
after
the
after
the
two
years
as
much
exactly
as
it
does
today.
There
is
no
change
and
unless
council
chooses
to
change
its
own
policy
about
how
we
apply
it,
it's
the
same
as
you
see
today,
the
community
benefits
charge
will
be
a
flat
rate
charge
much
like
a
development
charge,
it'll
be
so
many
thousand
dollars
per
unit
or
whatever
the
number
is,
and
I
don't
want
to
give
anybody
any
projections
to
the
number.
I
A
I
A
B
A
A
E
G
Thank
you
for
the
time
and
and
clarity.
I
wanted
to
jump
in
and
ask
a
number
of
questions,
so
I'm
interested
in
that
group
and
I
hope
that
the
work
is
fruitful,
mr
willis
or
whomever
is
able
to
respond.
I
am
not
a
professional
on
planning
and
I've.
I've
learned
some
ropes
along
the
way
as
it
relates
to
cash
in
the
world
parkland
as
it
relates
to
section
37.
D
The
counselor
makes
a
good
point
and
actually,
in
the
work
plan
attached
the
report
that
was
actually
one
of
the
first
tasks.
We're
going
to
do
is
to
create
some
communication
tools
to
explain
how
this
relates
to
development
charges,
how
it
relates
to
parkland
cashflow,
parkland
parkland,
dedication
requirements.
So
we
agree.
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
my
second
question
relates
to
the
consideration
of
what
is
growth
and
I
recognize
we're
a
growing
city.
I
get
that
I
I've
sort
of
tripped
up
in
my
specific
area
where,
when
I
came
to
office,
there
were
a
number
of
approvals
that
were
already
in
place
for
a
lot
of
the
towers
that
you
see
along
rideau's
street
and
they
they
came
in
to
be
pri
when
there
was
a
waiver
of
dc
charges
and
then
at
some
point
in
time.
G
I
believe
it
was
in
20,
maybe
january
members,
but
it
was
in
2013
or
just
around
there,
the
the
dc
started
to
kick
back
in
and
then,
when
I
speak
to
planning
staff
or
and
others
they
don't
see
the
area
as
growth.
Yet
there's
a
lot
of
number
of
units
that
have
increased.
So
I
I'm
looking
for
a
just
a
little
more
clarity
on
what
what
planning
perceives
as
growth-
and
maybe
this
is
not
the
right
venue,
if
not
how
to
who
I
should
be
speaking
to
and
and
how
to
get
some
clarity.
G
D
So
chair,
this
is
untested
legislation,
I'm
sure
the
first
municipality,
which
will
probably
be
toronto
that
passes
their
bylaw,
will
probably
end
up
before
l,
pat
having
that
very
discussion
and
we're
working
very
closely
with
we've
created
an
inter-municipal
working
group
with
a
lot
of
major
cities
in
ontario
and
we're
actually
comparing
notes
and
sharing
information
back
and
forth.
So
we
see
how
we
go
there
if
you
think
about
it
in
relationship
to
development
charges,
which
is
similar
in
its
approach.
D
There
are
two
types
of
things
that
the
city
may
wish
to
do.
One
is
we
may
wish
to
increase
the
capacity
of
a
facility
or
something
or
capital
works,
that
we
have
to
accommodate
more
people
in
the
area
that
would
be
considered
growth
if
the
city
wish
to
improve
the
service,
that's
in
an
area
just
so
you
have
better
quality
service.
That
is
not
necessarily
growth,
because
it
is
a
change
in
level
of
service.
D
That's
not
that
hard
to
demonstrate
because
we
can
show
the
number
of
new
units
being
built
in
an
area
so,
but
that's
what
we,
but
we
can't,
for
example,
use
it
in
an
area,
that's
not
intensifying,
to
say,
improve
the
offerings
of
equipment
or
availability
of
services
in
those
areas,
because
it's
not
related
to
growth.
So
the
test
will
always
have
to
be
related
back
to
are
we
growing
in
this
area
or
not?
D
G
D
H
Thanks
very
much,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
I
just
wa.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
personally,
as
well
as
city
staff,
on
the
advocacy
that
you
did
to
the
province
around
the
well
several
things:
the
the
services
that
are
going
to
be
maintained
under
the
dc
charges
within
the
the
the
cbc.
It's
that's,
that's
a
good
one,
the
parkland
dedication,
the
current
parkland
dedication
and
the
cash
and
loot
process.
H
That'll
continue
as
a
result
of
that
advocacy,
and
then
I
mean
some
of
the
other
pieces
around
the
transition
period
for
when
this
can
implemented.
I
think
those
those
are
very
positive
changes
that
the
city
city
staff
and
yourself
advocated
on-
and
I
was
happy
to
see
the
province
change
course
on
those.
So
thank
you
for
for
doing
that.
H
I
had
a
few
questions
on
on
on
this.
The
the
cbc
cap,
it
it
says
in
any
particular
case,
shall
not
exceed
four
percent
of
the
value
of
the
land
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
that
will
work.
Is
it
the
four
percent
that's
calculated
as
what
the
land
and
the
building
will
be
developed
into?
So
what
the
eventual
end
state
will
be,
or
is
it
the
the
land
value
prior
to
development
that
that'll
take
into
account.
D
H
B
H
D
We
will
have
the
inclusionary
zoning
bylaws
should
council
adopt
it
that
will
set
a
minimum
number
of
affordable
housing
units
that
need
to
be
part
of
a
development.
It'll
be
a
standard
for
minimum
component
of
that
and
development
charge.
Sorry,
media
benefits
charge
will
apply
to
only
the
sorry
inclusionary
zoning.
The
province
is
limited
to
that
into
the
areas
around
transit
stations.
It's
the
only
areas
you're
allowed
to
apply
it
to
and
then
community
benefits.
D
Bylaw
will
really
effectively
only
be
allowed
to
be
applied
to
tall
buildings,
which,
in
ottawa's
plan
tend
to
be
the
same
area
around
that
inclusionary
zoning
will
apply,
which
is
around
transit
stations.
So
one
of
the
tensions
in
this
report
is
if
we
go
too
far
and
put
too
many
of
these
charges
on
we'll
actually
create
a
disincentive
for
anything
to
be
built
around
transit
stations
and
therefore
we
won't
meet
our
intensification
targets
and
ergo
we're
going
to
end
up.
D
Looking
for
more
urban
land
in
the
future
because
we're
not
meeting
our
intensification
targets,
so
it's
it's
a
it's
an
incredibly
delicate
balance
of
competing
interests
around
here.
We
need
to
be
really
careful
and
how
we
calibrate
these
things
together,
and
I
don't
have
an
answer
today.
What
that
looks
like
I'm
just
cautioning
counsel,
that
this
is
actually
going
to
be
complicated.
H
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
it
and
just
from
my
read
of
it,
that's
a
similar
take
that
I
was
anticipating.
So
I
just
appreciate
that
that
dialogue-
you
you
mentioned
in
the
report
as
well,
that
after
the
enactment
of
the
of
the
the
community
benefits,
charge
bylaw
or
september
18
2020,
whichever
is
earlier
municipalities,
can
no
longer
enact
new
density
bonusing
bylaws.
H
L
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Through
you,
I
I
it
will
be
the
case
that
we
won't
be
able
to
enact
new
what
we've
been
calling
section,
37
agreements,
so
the
old
section
37
process
where
we
would
get
a
community
benefit
in
exchange
for
increased,
heightened
density,
those
types
of
agreements
and
the
bylaws
that
support
them.
Zoning
by
law
amendments
would
no
longer
be
possible
either
september
20
2022
or
when
we
enact
the
community
benefits
charge
by
log.
L
Whichever
comes
first
okay,
so
that's
that's
a
to
be
noted
and
that's
that's.
What
was
previously
discussed
as
well
with
counselor
brockington,
that
it's
a
consideration
that
we're
going
to
take
into
account
in
the
in
the
process
of
looking
at
this
I'd.
Also,
just
to
your
earlier
question,
counselor
note
that
the
valuation
date
is
is
the
date
before
the
building
permit
is
issued.
L
That
would
ordinarily
include
any
the
zoning
by
law
events
that
ordinarily
have
been
done
prior
to
that,
so
there
would
be
some
consideration
of
the
development
potential
for
the
the
property
the
day
before
the
building
permit.
In
the
valuation,
however,
there
wouldn't
be
a
completed
structure
on
the
property
prior
to
building
permit.
Okay,.
H
H
You
know
what
can
be
counted,
as
required
like
to
do,
does
does
affordable
housing
park
improvements,
you
know
transportation,
public
realm
traffic
calming
are
all
of
those
required
or
what's
the
determination
of
of
how
the
bylaw
applies
in
that
particular
in
a
particular
area.
I
I
assume
it's
similar
to
the
dc's,
but.
D
Yeah,
it's
actually
in
many
ways
chair.
The
council
raises
an
interesting
question.
We
are
going
to
explore
this
through
the
project.
The
community
benefits
legislation
is
actually
more
broad
than
the
development
charges
legislation.
It
actually
gives
you
more
latitude
as
council
to
charge
it
as
long
as
you're,
not
charging
for
something
that
you
could
raise
money
for
in
one
of
the
other
tools.
You
can't
double
dip
and
you
can't
use
the
wrong
tool
to
raise
money
for
it
and
it
has
to
be
related
to
growth.
That's
the
key
test.
D
Is
it
actually
has
to
be
related
to
growth?
So,
for
example,
if
development
charges
are
often
depending
on
the
category
limited
based
on
historic
levels
of
service,
you
could
use
the
community
benefits
by
a
lot
to
go
further
than
the
historic
levels
of
service
provided.
You're,
not
double
dipping
to
the
charge
you
have
in
the
in
the
development
charges,
so
those
are
the
the
again
we're
working
with
the
other
municipalities.
H
Okay
and
my
just
my
last
call
my
comment
just
back
on
chair
before
I
end,
I
think,
to
counselor
brockington's
point.
It
would
be
helpful
to
to
know
it's
hard
to
know
this.
I
guess
now,
but
but
what
we're
assuming
will
be
the
case
in
terms
of
the
difference
of
of
funds
coming
into
the
municipality
as
a
result
of
this
change,
are
we
going
to
be
looking
at
better
off
the
same
worse
off,
depending
on
how
this
this
works
out?
H
It
would
be
good
to
get
some
some
analysis
on
that
for
where
we're
at
and
to
counselor
lieber's
point
about
adding
in
more
voices.
I
think
we've
got
goba
boma
and
the
fca
currently
in
the
report.
It'd
be
nice
to
add
somebody
like
you
know,
eight
corner
people
that
are
gonna
be
living
in
in
these
units,
so
it
would
be
good
to
to
add
others
to
that
consultation.
So
just
leave
with
that
those
comments.
A
D
Actually
sure
I
think
I
will,
if
and
again
I'll
put
the
offer
up,
because
this
is
a
process
report
counselors.
Can
anyone
can
call
me
at
any
time
for
further
clarification?
Mr
schrum,
mr
baker
are
on
the
line
as
well
and
absolutely
can
answer
questions
about
the
elements
and
if
it
relates
to
process
and
consultation,
certainly.
A
D
No
chair,
we
actually,
we
actually
haven't-
put
a
firm
deadline
on
this
yet
because
we
are
still
waiting
for
certain
matters
to
be
clarified
by
the
province
and
we
do
have
a
consultation
process.
We
we
put
a
24-step
process
in
the
back
of
this
report
that
we
intend
to
follow,
and
I
think
it
will
take
much
of
this
year
to
do
so.
I
would
this
would
be
later
in
the
year
if
I
was
betting
subject
to
what
we
hear
from
some
of
the
other
municipalities
as
well.
D
A
I
Civil
society
groups,
so
I
am
looking
forward
to
that
and
in
that
vein
I
I'm
also
wondering-
and
this
is
a
question
to
staff-
how
the
city
will
ensure
that
expenditures
of
community
benefit
charge.
Funds
will
be
spent
on
projects
that
benefit
equity,
seeking
groups
that
have
traditionally
been
less
involved
or
disenfranchised
by
the
land,
use
and
development
process.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
can
respond.
We
we
certainly
can
take
into
account
that
that
comment
from
counselor
king
about
considering
equity-seeking
groups
and
their
interests
in
the
course
of
establishing
this
this
process.
It's
going
to
be
it's
very
much
in
the
work,
so
I
think
that's
something
we
should
take
into
account
in
the
process
and
mr
baker
and
myself
are
here
we'll
be
part
of
that
and
we
can
bring
that
forward
with
the
group
as
well.
I
Well,
I
do
appreciate
that
the
report
indicates
that
the
idea
is
to
hire
a
consultant
to
develop
strategy,
and
I
would
definitely
see
would
like,
especially
in
in
my
capacity
as
counselor
liaison
for
anti-racism
and
ethnocultural
initiatives,
to
to
really
see
a
strategy.
That's
developed
that
ensures
that
there
is
an
equity
focus
that
is
taken
into
account
when
we
are
considering
the
development
of
this
of
this
bylaw,
and
I
hope
that
staff
would
be
amenable
to
obviously
looping
in
the
new
anti-racism
secretariat.
G
I
B
Thank
you
chair.
Some
of
my
questions
have
already
been
asked,
but
I
was,
I
guess,
a
little
perplexed,
because
when
I
was
reading
the
report,
it
indicated
that,
under
the
current
section,
37,
sometimes
the
cost
of
negotiations
between
the
city
and
the
resources
and
the
time
it
actually
meant
that
the
city
wasn't
reaping
the
full
benefits
of
section
37.
In
some
cases
it
was
costing
us
more
or
about
the
same.
L
Bylaw,
madam
material
I'll
take
a
first
step,
and
maybe
mr
baker
would
like
to
jump
in
as
well.
I
I
I
would
note
that
one
possibly
positive
thing-
and
obviously
this
will
be
studied
more.
Like
mr
bliss
said
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
cost
benefits
of
implementing
this
and
ways
that
we
can
reduce
the
cost
of
administering
the
program.
L
But
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
the
new
community
benefits
charge
regime
is
that
it
is
more
like
a
development
charge
where
there's
a
flat
amount
per
unit
that
would
be
applied.
So
a
big
part
of
the
cost
that
comes
from
section
37
agreements
is
that
you
have
to
negotiate
a
new
agreement
with
specific
terms
for
each
development
that
comes
in,
so
that
does
involve
a
lot
of
staff
time.
L
There
will
be
a
lot
of
upfront
time,
however,
for
the
community
benefits
charge
to
do
a
full
community
benefits
charge
strategy
which
is
kind
of
like
a
development
charge.
Background
study,
so
we
do
have
to
do
a
full
report.
That's
studying
the
need
for
growth
related
community
benefits,
so
that's
all
to
say
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
this
carefully
in
the
in
the
process
that
we're
proposing
under
this
report.
I
wonder
if
mr
baker
has
anything
else
to
add.
O
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
echo
garrett's
comments
that
the
it's
more,
it's
less
site-specific,
it's
more
of
a
global
type
of
approach.
The
only
one
of
the
things
or
items
I
think
potentially
could
be
challenged
is
the
is
the
value
of
the
land
there's
a
so
when,
when
the
land
value
is
established,
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
proponent
agrees
with
that
value.
O
They
can
challenge
it
and
there's
a
criteria
that
you
have
to
go
through,
there's
a
sequence
of
events
that
have
to
occur
that
so,
hopefully
we
won't
experience
that
particular
dilemma.
But
there
is
a
point
in
time
where
that,
if
they
don't
agree
with
the
value
that
the
city
has
put
on
the
land
and
to
apply
the
cbc,
that
can
be
challenged
and
there's
30
days,
there's
certain
time
frames
that
have
to
be
followed
in
order
to
meet
those
that
disagreement
and
that
criteria.
B
So
I'll
look
forward
to
see
how
that's
handled
it
sounds
like
it's
a
a
bit
of
a
sticky
wicket
in
terms
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
sure
the
city
gets
the
most
out
of
this.
I
was
curious
too,
that
you
know
once
again
the
bylaw
once
it
comes
into
place
once
you've
developed
it
once
we've
approved
it,
we've
moved
on
to
that
it
can
be
appealed.
B
O
I'll
respond
just
because
anecdotally,
from
my
experience
with
development
charges,
it's
we're
appealed
with
on
development
charges
almost
every
five
years
that
we
update.
So
we
continue
to
collect
development
charges
until
that
p
appeal
is
settled
at
elpac,
so
in
2014,
for
example,
we
had
an
appeal
on
on
roads
that
wasn't
settled
until
may
of
2017..
I
O
Other
thing
what's
interesting
is
as
well
is
that
initially
there
wasn't
an
appeal
process,
and
that
was
added
in
as
part
of
the
changes
that
the
evolution
of
this
particular
charge.
So
initially
there
was
no
appeal
to
elpac,
but
that
was
added
in
through
the
process.
So,
but
you
can,
I
assume
you
can
continue
to
collect
and
once
it's
resolved
one
way
or
another,
the
only
I
think
it's
similar
to
development
charges
won't
be
able
to
increase,
but
it'll
be
whether
one
or
the
other
values,
I
guess,
is
accepted.
L
B
Okay
and
my
final
question
is
you
know,
I
understand
that
there
was
a
dollar
figure
put
to
hiring
a
consultant.
I
think
it's
a
hundred
thousand,
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
that.
What
are
we
exactly
getting
out
of
that?
So
are
they
going
because
you
know
garrett
you
mentioned
early
on
that
there
will
be
some
expenditures
for
other
aspects
for
for
city
staff.
Is
it
just
public
consultation
I'd
just
like
to
know
what
we're
getting
out
of
that
money.
O
Yeah,
I
think,
as
it
was
alluded
to
by
mr
willis,
that
it's
more
to
do
with
the
coming
up
with
the
this.
It's
similar
to
the
development
charges
background
studies,
so
we
hire
a
consultant
to
help
us
come
up
with
the
projections
for
growth
right
so
that
it's
very
similar
they've
outlined
it
or
they've
used
the
same
sort
of
methodology
so
which
which
areas
would
the
charge
be
applicable
to
it's?
O
A
N
N
O
A
lot
of
it
was
related
to
cash
and
lieu
of
parkland
and
the
section
37
agreements
that
were
in
place
in
toronto
and
and
that's
why
I
think
again,
mr
willis
alluded
to
that
that
they're
they're
we're
they're
talking
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
as
opposed
to
other
municipalities,
so
they're
they're
quite
unique,
and
I
believe
they
there
was
a
desire
for
more
transparency
in
the
process,
and
thus
the
cbc
was
introduced
to
provide
some
sort
of
transparency
in
a
strategy
rather
than
having.
I
think
sometimes
section.
O
N
N
L
I
I
can
respond
to
that.
Madam
chair,
the
that's
correct.
The
cap
used
to
be
proposed
at
15.
The
cap
was
reduced
to
four
percent.
Along
with
the
current
changes.
However,
it
should
be
noted
that
the
the
scope
of
what
was
covered
under
the
community
benefits
charge
was
also
reduced
substantially
in
terms
of
the
fact
that
it
now
only
applies
to
mid
and
high-rise
buildings
that
are
residential
and
multi-um
multi-use.
N
N
Yeah,
thank
you,
and
my
concern
too,
is
is
lots
like
brownfields,
where
we
really
really
want
to
develop
them
and
the
line
value
will
be
devalued
and
therefore
we
won't
get
much.
So
it's
a
it's.
It's
going
to
hurt
us,
even
though
development
would
be
a
good
thing.
If
we
can,
you
know
clean
up
those
areas
and
move
forward
as
I've
been
looked
at
or
is
that.
L
The
valuation
date
will
be
just
before
the
date
building
permit
is
issued,
so
if
there
was
still
environmental
contamination
existing
on
the
site
that
could
theoretically
impact
the
valuation
of
the
property
and
therefore
the
the
cap
that
would
be
applied,
thus
limiting
our
ability.
So
I
think
we'd
have
to
think
about
that
further.
I
I
like
I
said
I
haven't
turned
my
mind
to
it
before
this,
but
it's
a
it's
a
good
question
to
to
consider
going
forward.
N
N
N
It's
there's
no
markers,
so
I
think
having
something
like
a
marker
is
is
important.
So
so
that
will
be
helpful,
but
my
concern
is:
should
affordable
housing
be
something
that
we
we
barter
for?
Isn't
it
something
that
we
should
be
considering
to
put
in
development
charges
so
that
we're
moving
forward
on
it?
Is
that
possible.
O
The
role
of
development
charges
is
playing
in
funding,
affordable
housing
units,
but
but
that
I
believe
that
long-range
financial
plan
analysis
is,
is
ongoing
and
so
they're
working
on
that
situation.
Right
now,
plus,
I
think,
as
like,
I
said,
we're
one
of
the
municipalities
that
does
exempt
affordable
housing
units
as
well.
So
we
provide
that
extra
layer
of
support
not
only
collecting
development
charges,
but
also
waving
them
in
so
that
that
burden
or
that
financial
constraint
is
in
place
upon
those
particular
redevelopment
or
development
sites.
A
N
A
N
L
Sure
I
can
just
also
echo
mr
willis's
statement
as
well
that
it's
definitely
going
to
be
considered
as
part
of
the
the
process
going
forward,
the
in
the
interaction
between
inclusionary
zoning
community
benefits
and
development
charges
all
which
have
a
component
related
to
affordable
housing.
So
it's
definitely
on
the
radar
in
terms
of
how
it's
going
to
interact
both
inclusionary
zoning
and
the
community
benefits
are
fairly
new,
at
least
in
ottawa.
So
we're
going
to
be
having
to
examine
the
best
way
to
make
those
work
in
conjunction.
A
F
F
I
do
think
that
this
is
important
to
get
right
and
I'm
very
thankful
to
staff
and
chair
harder
for
asking
me
to
sit
on
this
committee.
I
have
a
long
history
with
section
37
benefits
for
for
many
years
now,
I've
got
water
in
parks
to
help
flood
puddle
ranks
as
a
result
of
section
37,
pedestrian
infrastructure,
that's
been
built
in
the
ward
and
because
of
section
37,
affordable
housing
projects
have
been
able
to
move
ahead
because
of
section
37
top-up
money.
F
It
is
it's
a
regime
that
has
real
benefits.
There
are
some
significant
challenges
with
it.
I
think
the
transparency
of
the
drawdowns
process,
especially,
is
problematic,
but
it
is
important
that
we
get
this
right
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
continuing
to
engage
with
everybody
through
the
course
of
developing
the
new
bylaw,
because
I'm
a
proponent
of
section
37
and
whatever
will
replace
it.
Thanks
chair.
P
A
A
C
C
You
can
read
in
detail
all
the
concerns
raised
by
residents
and
their
written
submissions.
There
are
individual
submissions
and
there
are
also
group
submissions
that
many
of
the
residents
collaborated
on
many
have
submitted
multiple
versions,
but
the
themes
have
focused
around
parking
height
zoning
and
the
end
use.
C
We
heard
from
many
residents
on
this
file
as
it
generated
a
lot
of
attention
locally.
Unfortunately,
one
of
the
methods
used
to
get
attention
by
a
very
few
of
the
people
involved
was
to
start
rumors
like
claiming
that
there
was
not
capacity
in
the
local
sewer
system
which
we
verified.
There
is
capacity,
another
one
was
that
the
property
was
owned
by
the
city
and
there
was
vicious
personal
attacks
that
need
to
be
noted
on
staff.
C
They
are
planting
six
trees
to
replace
the
two
that
needed
to
be
removed
and
the
applicant
can
confirm,
but
I
believe
the
the
ones
being
removed
were
not
healthy
trees.
Either
there
was
a
movement
claimed
on
the
height
issue
by
by
the
applicant,
but
residents
are
disputing
that
and
have
made
allegations
of
deception
and
staff
and
competence.
C
The
additional
height
is
a
significant
challenge
for
the
impact
on
nearby
homes.
The
house
next
door,
for
example,
is
the
smallest.
In
the
immediate
area,
the
owner
shared
a
picture.
The
owner
of
the
house
next
door
actually
shared
a
picture
with
me
of
his
view
that
he
currently
has
to
the
to
the
north
and
across
this
property
at
33
maple
grove.
C
Now
there
there's
also
the
transit
issue.
The
application
suggests
that
there
is
nearby
transit
service.
Yes,
there
is,
but
it's
very
limited.
The
service
is
peak
hour
only
and
it's
geared
towards
getting
you
from
this
area
to
the
park
and
ride
it's
not
geared
towards
what
we
look
for
in
15
minute
neighborhoods.
It
can't
get
you
to
the
grocer,
your
doctor,
appointment
or
other
local
places
that
you
may
want
to
visit
within
your
community.
C
C
C
C
The
other
more
familiar
issue
for
the
committee
is
the
zoning.
The
area
is
r1
and
the
applicant
wants
an
r4
seems
to
be
straightforward.
We've
dealt
with
this
a
lot
at
this
committee,
but
they
can't
build
what
they
want
under
the
r4,
so
they
need
exceptions
when
staff
and
I
met
with
them.
I
asked
that
they
go
over
the
existing
zones
and
try
to
pick
a
zoning
and
then
meet
the
requirements
of
that
zoning.
C
For
example
under
r4
they
can
build
the
two
four
unit
apartments,
but
they
want
to
have
two
six
unit
apartments.
You
will
hear
a
lot
about
that
from
residents.
They
also
want
to
divide
the
property
in
two
so
that
they
can
build
two
buildings.
Instead
of
one
building,
a
bigger
single
building
will
trigger
requirements
for
persons
with
disabilities.
C
C
There
is
a
need
to
address
the
common
issues
that
apply
to
other
communities
as
well.
The
use
of
terms
like
intensification
and
compatibility
with
neighbors
are
currently
creating
confusion
and
anxiety
amongst
residents.
Just
switching
to
the
use
of
the
term
regeneration
is
not
going
to
make
that
go
away.
We
need
to
do
better.
We
need
to
better
define
these
terms
and
present
them
in
a
way.
Someone
who
has
never
dealt
with
a
file
can
understand
how
we
are
applying
them,
why
we
are
applying
them
and
what
does
that
mean
to
their
home?
C
A
Thanks
very
much
councillor
hubley
because
we
have
so
much
interest
in
this
item
I
do
have.
I
have
asked
that
a
presentation
be
readied
by
the
planner
collette
gourney,
ms
stephanie.
Do
you
have
that?
So
if
we
could
have
that
presentation,
please
aaron!
I
see
you
there
are
you
doing
the
presentation,
aaron.
Q
J
Good
morning,
madam
chair,
so
I'm
my
name's
clay,
corney
and
I
was
the
planner
on
the
zoning
vile
amendment.
Application
at
33,
maple
grove
road
next
slide,
so
the
property
is
located
at
33,
maple,
grove
road
in
the
southeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
maple
river
road
and
mccurdy
drive.
The
property
has
a
total
area
of
approximately
600
square
meters
and
with
frontage
on
two
streets,
and
it's
opposite.
The
hazeldeed
maple
grove,
clark,
cemetery
and
rudy
shankman
hospice
facility
along
mccurdy
drive
next
slide.
J
So
this
is
just
a
side
showing
what
the
site
looks
like
now.
So
there's
currently
one
single
detached
dwelling
on
the
property,
it
fronts
onto
maple
grove
road,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
bus
stop
located
along
the
mccurdy
drive
and
a
pretty
significant
retaining
wall
at
the
rear
of
the
current
site
next
slide.
J
J
J
And
so
there
will
also
be
an
urban
exception
included
in
the
r4j
subzone,
and
so
this
will
deal
with
the
aspects
that
are
bolded
on
the
slide
that
you
can
see.
So
they've
asked
for
a
reduction
or
an
increase
in
the
maximum
permitted
height
and
the
maximum
number
of
units,
as
well
as
some
changes
to
setbacks.
J
J
A
pinch
point
in
the
parking
area
was
removed
to
meet
the
aisle
with
requirements.
Garage
doors
have
been
added
to
screen
the
covered
parking
spaces
and
bicycle
parking
has
been
increased
from
six
to
twelve
spaces
and
waste
and
recycling
storage
has
been
moved
to
inside
the
building
so
pretty
much.
What
proposed
what
is
proposed
here
is
better
design
offers
more
in
terms
of
setbacks
and
combat
compatibility
than
what
would
be
permitted
under
the
existing
zoning.
Following
a
severance
application.
J
Two
single
detached
buildings
of
similar
height
and
mass
could
be
developed
as
of
right
under
the
current
zoning
on
the
site.
So,
overall
staff
were
satisfied
that
the
proposed
development
complies
with
official
plan
policies,
including
accommodating
the
needs
of
a
range
of
people
and
respecting
the
community's
established
characteristics.
J
The
development
responds
to
relevant
urban
design
and
compatibility
criteria
in
the
official
plan
and
we
don't
anticipate
any
substantive,
undue
adverse
impacts
on
neighboring
properties.
This
is
the
type
of
development
that
the
new
op
calls
for,
and
staff
recommends
in
both
suburban
and
downtown
areas.
Therefore,
the
department
is
recommending,
because
only
by
linemen
be
approved.
A
Thank
you
very
much
collette,
so
we
will
now
go
to
our
delegations,
starting
with
melanie
gallant.
Now
I'll
just
tell
everybody.
I
haven't
had
occasion
to
say
this
at
this
meeting
before
this
opportunity,
but
everyone
has
five
minutes
to
speak
and
as
a
maximum,
so
melanie
gallon
you're
the
first
one
up,
followed
by
john
gallant
and
jake
cole.
Following
john
melanie.
A
A
P
A
B
Well
welcome
sir,
thank
you
thank
you
for
the
welcome
and
I
must
say
off
the
top
that
I've
lived
in
ottawa
for
some
43
years
right
in
the
community,
where
I
live
now
close
by
this
application
and
ottawa
is
a
great
place
to
live,
and
I
guess
it's
thanks
to
people
like
you
who
are
working
behind
the
scenes
to
make
it
that
way.
So
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
You
made
the
city
a
pretty
nice
one
to
to
live
in.
B
B
I
happen
to
be
leading
a
project
in
ottawa
to
measure
air
pollution
in
all
the
cities
at
wards
and
discovering
that
there
are
a
few
hot
spots
around
that
some
of
you
as
counselors
should
be
aware
of
and
trying
to
make
the
try
to
clean
up
the
air
a
little
bit
my
observations.
First
of
all,
the
intensification
policy
itself
that
the
city
is
involved
in
it
certainly
does
have
merit,
and
it
does.
It
is
vague
on
some
details
that
I
think
it
should
be
more
clear
on.
B
It
seems
to
me
if
we're
going,
to
decide
who,
who
is
the
who
does
decide
whether
something
is
compatible
with
the
existing
neighborhood?
The
neighbors
should
be
the
prime
audience
to
make
that
decision,
I
would
say,
and
yeah
the
the
people
who
are
represented
here
in
the
rest
of
this
meeting.
I
think
going
to
tell
you
about
how
they
feel
that
perhaps
the
the
dwelling
and
being
proposed
is
not
compatible
with
with
what
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
is
like,
and
I
think
they
have
a
voice
that
needs
to
be
heard.
B
I
don't
know
why
that
is
exactly.
I
do
point
out
and
I
think
you're
well
aware
of
this-
that
developers,
or
at
least
people
who
work
with
our
own
development
companies,
can
contribute
to
counselors
campaigns,
and
some
of
you
are
on
this
committee,
I
know
have
received
donations
from
people
who
work
with
or
own
development
companies
is.
That
is
that
a
good
thing
is
that
a
bad
thing?
B
B
Well,
I'm
just
I
okay.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
developers,
in
my
view,
should
be
treated
worse
than
residents
simply
said.
That's
that's.
My
final
line
is
that
I
think
developers
are
again.
The
developer
here
has
is
possibly
could
build
what
the
residents
want
and
leave
both
people
happy.
I
think
you
should
go
along
with
that
decision
and
I'd
like
to
think
that
you
could
bear
and
take
into
account
very
seriously
what
the
rest
of
the
residents
have
to
say
about
this
opportunity
and
so
that
we
all
can
go
home
happy.
A
A
A
K
K
K
This
is
due
to
the
slope
of
the
lot
in
question
north
from
mccurdy
to
youngspond
court.
The
impact
on
neighbors
in
the
area
is
thus
significantly
more
than
portrayed
or
stated
in
the
documents
before
you
to
be
clear.
Notwithstanding
technical
niceties
you're
not
being
asked
to
approve
two
three-story
buildings,
but
rather
two
four-story
buildings,
despite
the
constant
referral
to
three
in
the
developer's
proposal
and
the
staff
report
when
queried
the
staff
response
is
that
the
size
of
the
building
relates
to
the
building's
frontage,
which
is
three
stories
along
mccurdy?
K
This
strongly
suggests
that
these
additional
illustrations
have
not
been
provided
for.
The
same
reason
they've
been
requested,
that
is,
they
would
clearly
show
to
a
layperson
the
difference
of
the
impact
between
the
talked
about
three-story
buildings
and
the
actual
four-story
buildings
plus
roof,
which
have
been
endorsed
now.
Context
and
logic
must
be
a
part
of
any
process.
K
K
K
I
and
others
who
object
to
this
are
not
anti-development,
we're
happy
to
see
suitable
development
and
that's
why
I've
made
a
reasonable
counter
proposal
and
stated
we
were
open
to
other
possibilities
which
respect
the
zoning
change,
but
without
permitting
further
exemptions.
We've
had
no
reaction
to
this,
but
silence
from
the
developer.
K
K
Please
don't
allow
yourselves
to
be
manipulated
by
this
developer
or
handcuffed
by
a
policy.
The
city's
aim
of
increased
density
for
infill
or
redevelopment
at
this
location
can
be
achieved
by
an
intelligent
application
of
policy,
considering
less
objectionable
and
intrusive
options
within
a
zoning
change,
which
does
not
include
additional
exemptions.
A
A
A
P
P
P
They
simply
put
the
apartment
plan
for
the
property.
Is
an
over
development
too
dense
too
tall
to
fit
into
the
two-story
residential
one-story
hospice
in
the
community
city
planners
recommend
an
exemption
to
be
added
to
the
zoning
to
permit
six
units
per
apartment
to
facilitate
the
desired
three-story
structure.
P
P
P
In
this
section
there
is
no
storm
water
sewers,
but
when
you
deal
with
other
new
construction
developers,
you
often
negotiate
or
request
that
the
developer
install
them
so
adding
stormwater
ponds
to
a
in
a
residential
community
on
specific
property,
as
opposed
to
in
a
community
in
general.
I
have
not
seen
that
anywhere
before
so
in.
In
short,
our
expectation
is
that
the
planning
committee
will
embrace
the
existing
rules
that
are
in
place
and
not
permit
extensions
to
those,
and
we
ask
that
you
reject
this
application.
C
Just
a
comment
for
mr
wise
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Your
question
on
the
storm
water
pond
is
one
of
concern
for
myself
as
well,
so
I'm
expecting
answers
on
that
from
both
the
applicant
and
staff
when
they
speak
after
all
the
presentations.
So
if
you're
able
to
hang
on
afterwards,
you
will
get
answers
to
that
question.
Okay,.
R
A
R
K
R
As
some
of
the
community
members
have
said,
and
and
as
some
will
continue
to
say
after
me,
the
redevelopment
of
this
r1
zoning
from
a
single
family
home
we're
all
understanding
it's
in
need
of
an
upgrade.
It's
a
large
lot,
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
meet
some
of
the
intensification
goals
in
infield.
That's
a
priority
for
this
committee.
R
I
am
optimistic
that
you'll
see
that,
by
approving
this
development,
it
will
represent
more
of
cramming
a
square
peg
into
a
round
hole.
Many
of
the
residents
in
katimavik
hazeldine
have
been
engaged
on
this
file
with
over
250
submissions
and
150
households
advocating
against
this
proposal.
Other
residents
today
have
shared
some
of
their
insights
and
some
facts.
My
hope
is
that
you'll
relate
this
development
back
to
each
of
you.
In
a
simple
analogy.
R
R
Now,
from
time
to
time,
I
like
to
change
it
up,
add
some
pickles
and
don't
knock
it
until
you
try
it.
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
know
that,
what's
in
front
of
us
today
is
an
r4f
zoning
change
with
a
with
a
severance
and
a
laundry
list
of
exceptions.
I
believe
there's
seven
seven
mentioned
in
document
two
that
came
from
the
city
planners
now.
R
If
I
went
to
mcdonald's-
and
I
ordered
my
big
mac-
and
I
I
said
not
only
do
I
want
pickles,
but
I
want
an
extra
bun,
an
extra
patty,
some
cheese,
more
more
lettuce,
more
onions,
it's
likely
that
the
pre-made
box
would
not
fit
and
and
one
might
question
whether
I'm
still
ordering
a
big
mac
or
whether
it
should
be
called
something
else.
I
think
in
turn.
We
can
use
this
analogy
to
reference
that
the
two
extra
units
per
building
may
call
into
question
whether
we
can
still
call
this
an
r4
zoning
r4s.
R
Lastly,
our
community
is
in
support
of
redevelopment.
We
understand
the
goals
is
to
increase
the
density
and
and
this
law
this
law
has
opportunity.
Turning
a
single
family
home
into
12
apartment
units
is
more
than
double
triple
or
even
eight
times
the
intensification
it's
over,
a
thousand
percent,
which
seems
excessive.
In
closing,
what
we
ask
is
that
you
consider
what
the
true
best
use
of
this
property
would
be.
With
respect
to
the
surroundings,
I
loved
the
screen
that
colette
shared
with
the
aerial
view.
R
It
gave
me
a
great
sense
of
the
the
neighborhood
what
you
would
see
in
the
thousand
feet
in
each
direction,
with
single
family
homes
and
by
cramming
two
six
unit
buildings
into
this.
This
lot
would
definitely
be
a
square
peg
in
a
round
hole,
and
for
this
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
do
do
hope
that
you
will
consider
rejecting
the
application.
G
R
R
We
also
have
parking,
and-
and
you
know
pride
of
ownership
is
something
that
I
take
very
valuable
down
to
to
heart
and
and
when
I
drive
around
katimovic,
we
we've
had
some
great
opportunity
to
have
some
community
engagement
with
christmas
light
decorating
contests
and
halloween
contests,
trying
to
navigate
the
covet
times
like
everyone
else
and
and
what
I've
seen
is
a
lot
of
individuals
taking
a
lot
of
pride
of
ownership,
because
these
are
all
owned
or
rented
single-family
units.
And
and
what
my
concern
with
is,
is
cramming
this
many
units
into
this
space.
R
What
would
the
potential
risks
be
of
of
you
know
disassociation
to
the
the
interest
of
the
community?
I
would
also
question
you
know,
as
was
said
by
council
of
hubley,
the
ability
for
people
to
go
get
milk
at
nine
o'clock
at
night
requires
a
car,
and
so,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
a
a
couple
or
a
family
that
has
a
couple
of
kids
or
one
child,
you
know
there
could
be
upwards
of
60
36
residents
living
on
this
one
space
and
and
how?
R
R
You
know
more
more
often
than
not
we're
going
to
see
a
duplication
of
parking
needs
for
each
of
the
units,
and-
and
I
would
say
you
know,
if
there's
adequate
parking
for
the
the
number
of
residents
that
would
be
realistically
anticipated,
it
may
be
a
better
use
of
the
property.
So
to
answer
your
question,
in
short,
mr
brockington,
something
that
conforms
with
the
zoning
changes
that
might
be
being
requested.
F
I
do
thanks,
I'm
just
wondering
I
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
this
pride
of
ownership
issue
with
respect
to
the
zoning.
What
are
the,
what
are
the
risks
of
of
having
I
I
take
it
you're
asserting
that
renters
will
diminish
the
quality
of
life
in
the
neighborhood.
Somehow,
what
is
that?
What
is
that
relationship
between
pride
of
ownership
and
the
zoning?
That's
in
front
of
us
today.
R
Yeah
thanks
and
I
don't
mean
to
distract
from
the
matter
at
hand-
counselor
leaper.
I
think
the
comment
really
really
comes
down
to
the
f,
the
fact
that
we're
trying
to
create
six
six
units
or
twelve
units
in
the
two
buildings
into
a
space
that
would
would
mitigate
the
space
that
in
each
individual
have,
I
know
previously
in
the
first
submission
garbage
was
set
outside
and
that's
been
now
included
within
the
space
of
the
of
the
building
footprint.
R
And
so
I
can
only
imagine
that
room
for
storage
of
material,
whether
I
mean
I'm
a
I'm
a
dad
with
two
kids
and
and
and
hockey
nets
and
and
sleds
and
bicycles
all
have
their
place
in
a
family
home.
But
you
know
as
we
as
we
look
at
one
single
family
home
having
a
single
hockey
net
and
in
a
single
sled
or
two
that
seems
reasonable,
be
tucked.
R
F
R
A
M
I'm
also
one
of
the
five
authors
of
the
community
response
letter
that
was
submitted
in
reply
to
this
proposal.
I'm
asking
you
to
speak
to
you
today
because
I'm
very
disappointed
with
the
way
that
the
33
maple
grove
review
has
been
conducted.
I
fully
expected
that
at
some
point
a
sensible
balance
would
be
found
between
the
applicant's
request
and
the
resident's
concern,
possibly
four
apartments
per
building
or
a
row
of
townhouses,
as
as
previous
speakers
have
suggested,
why?
M
What
I
did
not
anticipate
was
how
completely
city
planners
would
accept
every
assertion
from
the
applicant
and
how
casually
they
would
dismiss
every
community
resident
concern
from
the
start
of
this
process.
Many
cynics
have
told
me
that
expressing
our
concerns
was
pointless,
but
the
recommendation
from
city
planners
was
all
probably
already
locked
in
last
july.
Before
the
signs
even
went
up,
they
told
me
you
can't
fight
city
hall
or
the
significant
influence
developers
seem
to
sway.
M
I
hated
to
hear
that
not
because
I
wanted
to
stop
33,
but
because
I
wanted
intensification
in
ottawa
to
succeed.
My
professional
career
tells
me
this
is
our
only
way
forward.
I
also
know
from
hard
experience
that
the
general
public
constituents,
voters
and
taxpayers
will
only
embrace
tough
new
processes
like
intensification.
M
M
M
When
residents
expressed
concern
a
revised,
came
back
even
taller,
but
by
poking
projections
and
soffits
through
the
roof
managed
to
claim
a
reduction
in
building
height,
a
reduction
in
building
height.
The
final
proposal
arrived
with
several
major
exceptions,
requested
an
extra
half
meter
of
building
height,
two
extra
apartments
per
building
parking
in
the
side
yard
and
others
all
quickly
recommended
by
obliging
city
planners.
M
Although
over
250
community
residents
raised
concern
after
concern,
these
pleadings
were
whisked
away
like
mosquitoes
in
the
wind.
No
individuals
can't
beat
city
hall,
but
city
hall
can
defeat
itself.
Their
citizens
feel
that
their
concerns
are
being
ignored,
that
staff
are
predisposed
to
serve
some
applicants
well
and
ignore
others
completely.
M
It
will
be
impossible
to
gain
the
trust
or
support
the
support
of
the
citizens.
Ottawa
needs
smart,
effective
intensification,
but
first
it
needs
the
support
of
its
citizens
counselors.
I
urge
you
to
look
carefully
at
the
review
post
that
was
used
at
the
review
process
that
was
used
here.
Perhaps
ask
some
of
the
seven
questions
you
received
last
night
in
my
written
submission.
M
A
A
Okay
I'll
ask
remind
me
to
ask
once,
at
the
end
of
the
when
I
get
down
to
the
end
of
the
delegate
delegates,
please:
okay,
don
nicholson,
o'brien,
ms
dawn
here,
and
also
I
just
give
you
a
heads
up
that
between
counselor
deans
and
counselor
leeper,
they
are
working
on
the
opportunity
to
deal
quickly
with
the
development
charge
complaint
on
johnston
road.
So
we
may
take
care
of
that
if,
if
that
goes
through
so
don
nicholson,
o'brien,
and
thank
you
for
your
submission,
you
have
five.
N
A
K
A
S
S
The
first
point
that
I'd
like
to
make
is
a
number
of
years
ago
we
had
the
ruddy
shankman
hospice,
not
the
rudy
shankman
hospice,
as
ms
gourney
said,
but
the
ruddy
shankman
hospice
that
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
33
maple
grove
road
development
was
granted
a
number
of
exemptions.
We
had
no
objection
whatsoever
to
the
proposed
ruddy
shankman
hospice
variations.
S
S
Now,
when
I
look
at
the
sheer
number
of
exceptions
and
variances
that
are
being
fought
by
this
particular
proposal,
it
flies
in
the
face
of
your
published
residential
fourth
density
r4
zoning
review
documents
tabled
in
both
on
october
14th
of
last
year
and
thereafter
with
subsequent
amendments
in
november,
and
I
cite
in
response
to
a
question
coming
from
the
community.
It
said,
whatever
rules
you
set
in
rezoning
builders
can
still
go
to
the
committee
for
variances
and
experience
shows
they
usually
get
approved.
S
S
S
So
what
variances
praise
tell
me?
Are
you
going
to
discourage?
There
are
a
sizable
number
of
variances
being
fought
here
in
exceptions.
As
I
said,
this
is
not
appropriate
to
the
context
in
which
we
find
ourselves.
We
are
not
in
any
way
opposed
to
appropriate
development
and,
in
reference
to
earlier
questions
that
were
put
to
matt
brewery
and
others,
I
underline
the
fact
that
if
the
developer
were
going
to
be
putting
forward
a
development
that
entailed
garden
homes,
we
would
have
no
issue
with
that.
S
A
F
A
F
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanna
point
one
thing
out
for
don
and
thank
you
for
coming
out
to
present
today
that
your
inputs
very
much
appreciate
it.
You
made
reference
to
finding
candidates
that
do
not
support
development.
I
think
it's
worth
noting
here
that
the
fca
and
what
you
would
call
the
left-leaning
councillors,
including
my
own
opponent
in
the
last
election,
are
on
record
of
supporting
a
hundred
percent
intensification
that
would
translate
to
most
likely
a
six-story
building
on
this
lot.
C
S
S
We
do
not
expect
to
be
summarily
and
cavalierly
dismissed
as
city
staff
have
done
repeatedly
when
we
make
presentations
who
roll
their
eyes
and
dismiss
and
give
no
way
whatsoever
to
any
of
the
things
that
we're
saying
who
made
not
one
single
amendment
that
we
requested,
who
blessly
ignored
hundreds
and,
in
fact,
thousands
of
people
who
made
their
views
known
and
some
of
whom
have
no
standing,
because
they
did
not
realize
that
when
they
signed
online
petitions
that
those
petitions
are
not
petitions.
That
necessarily
are
one
accepted
by
the
city
nor
submitted
formally.
S
A
A
M
L
B
The
properties
we
call
it
severances
the
fire
that
occurred
there,
the
renovations
that
have
been
in
already
done
on
the
property
itself.
They
claimed
to
be
unassuming
government
employee.
That
surely
stated
that
he
managed
to
scoop
up
the
home
at
a
bargain-based
price
from
the
former
group
homeowners
he
mentioned
it
was
his
investment
opportunity.
He
wanted
to
fix
it
up
temporarily
rented
out
to
in
order
to
cover
the
cost
as
a
means.
B
M
M
B
It
is
understandable
that
the
older
rundown
homes
can
be
replaced
larger,
a
lot
subdivided
for
additional
family
homes,
but
a
blatant
welcoming
map
for
was
not
put
out
for
the
owner
to
bulldoze
the
area
and
set
up
shop
as
a
rental
landlord
in
our
homestead.
Sorry,
not
gonna,
be
not
interested
in
that
happening.
B
B
A
K
A
A
You
know
it
was
held
by
councillor
leeper
council
labor
wanted
to
ask
questions,
he's
simply
going
to
dissent
now.
This
is
the
item
development
charge
complaint.
By
dealing
with
this
right
now,
councilor
deans
can
go
to
her
police
board
responsibilities,
which
she,
of
course
is
chair
of
and
the
staff
can
get
back
to
work
as
well.
So
thank
you,
councilor
leeper
for
that
offer,
and
so
now
I'm
going.
A
This
is
the
motion
that
vice
chair
gower,
put
forward
on
behalf
of
councillor
deans,
to
sustain
the
d.c
complaint
and
direct
that
the
municipal
development
charges
paid
be
reimbursed,
and
so
we
do
have
three
registered
speakers,
joshua,
moon,
dan
mckenna
and
tom
donnelly,
and
I
understand
that
they
have
waived
their
need
to
need
to
speak
on
this
item.
If
we're
prepared
to
carry
it.
Is
that
correct?
Just
one
of
you
needs
to
yes,.
A
A
G
A
A
M
M
M
I
think
the
consensus
was
that
that
might
be
unrealistic,
but
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
to
meet
those
intensification
targets
and
the
project
before
you
today
is
one
mo
one,
very
small
step
along
that
way.
Next
slide,
please,
madam
chair,
I
don't
need
to
dwell
on
this.
The
subject
site
is
located
in
the
continuum
of
communities.
M
Canada,
centrum
in
the
417
to
the
north,
terry
fox,
drive
to
the
west
and
hazel
dean
road
to
the
south,
so
then
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
madam
chair
members
of
committee.
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
slide
to
consider,
particularly
as
we
start,
the
conversation
about
15-minute
neighborhoods,
what's
highlighted
here
within,
is
all
of
the
various
facilities
that
exist
in
the
hazel
dean.
Kavanaugh.
M
Neighborhood
or
at
least
that
portion
of
that
neighborhood
north
of
hazelden
road
within
the
purple
circle,
which
is
one
kilometer
from
the
subject
site.
You
have
schools,
you
have
parks,
you
have
recreational
complexes,
you
have
the
ron,
maisland
playhouse,
you
have
restaurants
and
just
on
the
fringe
of
that
1
000
meter
circle.
M
Please,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
slide
highlights
your
plan
transit
system,
as
it's
shown
in
your
official
plan
today
it
highlights
the
existing
brt,
which
services
the
canada
centrum.
It
identifies
planned,
rapid
transit
extending
further
west
from
the
canada
centrum
in
the
future,
unite
it
identifies
terry
fox
drive
and
hazelden
road
as
transit,
priority
corridors.
M
This
site
is
within
easy,
walking,
distance
or
cycling,
distance
of
major
transit
facilities
existing
and
planned
for
canada.
Next
slide.
Please
ms
garnier
included
this
site
plan
in
her
presentation,
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things
here
in
response
to
some
of
the
comments
that
we've
heard
this
morning.
M
M
M
They
have
arrived
at
a
servicing
solution
to
this
property,
which
does
include
the
extension
of
a
storm
sewer
on
maple
grove
road
to
serve
this
development
and
then
with
storm
connections
from
both
properties.
To
that
new
storm
sewer,
adam
chair,
I
promised
I'd,
be
brief.
I'm
going
to
go
to
my
last
slide
and
then
I'll
welcome
any
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
M
Madam
chair,
this
slide
is
very
similar
to
a
slide
that
was
in
ms
corney's
presentation,
but
I
just
want
to
take
my
remaining
time
to
walk
everybody
through
what
this
chart
illustrates
the
left
hand.
Column
are
the
performance
standards
of
the
existing
r1m
zone,
the
two
right
hand.
Columns
are
what
are
actually
going
to
be
provided
if
this
project
goes
forward
so
I'll
run
through
the
chart.
M
M
The
minimum
lot
area
under
the
existing
r1m
zone
is
450
square
meters.
What's
being
proposed,
are
two
lots,
one
of
865
square
meters
and
the
other
one
of
750
square
meters.
The
permitted
height
today
on
this
property
is
11
meters.
We
are
requesting
relief
or
a
site-specific
provision
which
would
allow
for
a
height
of
11.5
meters,
half
a
meter
higher
than
what's
permitted
today
front
charge.
M
Setback
in
the
existing
zoning
is
4.5
meters,
we're
providing
4.5
meters
corner
side
yard
setback
under
the
existing
zoning
is
4.5
meters,
we're
providing
4.5
meters
interior
side
yard
setback
requirement.
Today
is
one
meter.
We
are
providing
interior
side
yard
setbacks
of
1.2
meters
and,
on
the
south
side
of
the
property
adjacent
to
the
existing
single
family
home,
we're
going
to
provide
a
side,
yard
setback
of
3
meters
well
in
excess
of
the
requirement
today
and
the
minimum
rear
yard
setback
requirement
today
is
7.5
meters.
M
The
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here
is
that
the
buildings
that
are
being
proposed
are
no
bigger
than
what's
permitted
as
of
right
today,
with
the
exception
of
the
existent
0.5
meter
in
building
height
the
direction
in
the
new
official
plan
and
the
direction
that's
being
talked
about
for
the
new
zoning
bylaw
that
will
come
out
of
the
new
official
plan.
Is
we're
not
going
to
worry
about
the
number
of
units
that
are
inside
the
box?
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
box
is
appropriate
on
the
street.
M
The
two
apartment
buildings
that
are
being
proposed
match
the
building
envelope
that's
permitted
on
the
street.
We
simply
want
the
permission
to
have
six
units
in
that
box
instead
of
two
which
you
would
be
allowed
with
a
single
family
home
and
a
secondary
dwelling
in
it.
There's
been
some
comment
about
the
relief
to
get
from
four
units
to
six
low-rise
apartment.
Buildings
are
not
limited
to
four
stories
and
inside
the
greenbelt,
they're
they're
generally
permitted
to
be
eight
units
or
more.
M
The
application
before
you
today
is
exactly
what
council
is
anticipating
with
the
adoption
of
the
growth
management
strategy,
and
it's
exactly
what's
being
proposed
to
counsel
in
your
draft
official
plan
that
you
will
be
dealing
with
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
months.
I
would
encourage
planning
committee
to
support
staff,
support
their
recommendations
and
approve
the
applications
that,
before
you
this
morning.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chown,
and
just
for
clarification.
You
did
go
over
your
five
minutes,
but
that's
only
was
only
allowed
because
taylor
west
is
not
speaking,
okay
and
he
had
registered
to
speak.
So
we
do
have
questions
for
you,
mr
channel.
First
up
is
jeff
leeper,
counselor
leaper,
then
counselor,
brockington
and
then
councilor
hugh
lee.
F
F
We
approved
a
16
unit,
no
apartment,
sorry,
no
parking
low
rise
apartment
building
on
a
lot
that,
by
my
calculations,
has
around
590
square
meters,
and
it
is
in
a
in
a
neighborhood
on
which
there
are
you
know:
multiple
single-family
homes,
the
applicant
on
whose
behalf
you're
speaking,
is
asking
us
to
approve
two
six
unit
buildings
for
a
total
of
12
apartment
building
apartment
units.
On
a
lot
that
is
and
for
giving
my
calculations
are
rough
1700
a
little
over
1700
square
meters.
F
F
Can
you
speak,
though,
to
the
difference
in
affordability,
in
a
city
that
has
a
1.8
percent
vacancy
rate
that
is
persistent
between
the
low-rise
apartment
building
on
hinchey
and
these
low-rise
apartment
buildings
in
canada?
Is
there
likely
to
be
a
difference
in
the
affordability
of
those
in
such
a
tight
market?.
M
M
F
F
There
are
a
lot
of
renters
who
would
like
to
live
in
kitchissippi
ward,
but
who
cannot
and
the
the
the
demand
and
the
land
costs
in
kitchissippi
are
driving
rentals
that
are
unaffordable
to
all,
but
most
the
most
privileged
in
our
city.
We
need
to
ensure
the
availability
of
rental,
and
especially
what
this
is
low-rise
with
lots
of
green
space
rental
compared
to
what
we
approved
this
morning,
which
has
a
relatively
small
I'll
put
it
diplomatically
rear
yard.
F
You
know
offering
a
different
kind
of
housing
in
a
neighborhood
that
thus
far
has
been
exclusive
to
only
one
type
of
buyer
murray.
Another
question
for
you
has
to
do
with
something
I've
heard
over
and
over
again
this
morning,
which
is
variances,
and
I
I
know
it's
tough
for
residents
to
understand
the
difference
between
variances
from
the
zoning
and
exemptions
from
the
zoning.
M
Thank
you
for
that
question
counselor,
because
we're
not
seeking
variances
from
anything
we're
starting
with
a
clean
slate.
The
property
is
currently
in
an
r1
zone.
In
order
to
allow
for
the
low
rise
apartments,
we
need
to
rezone
it
to
an
r4
zone.
It
could
we,
it
could
be
any
r4
zone,
but-
and
we
could
even
have
written
our
own
brand
new
r4
zone
to
respect
the
performance
standards
or
even
to
match
the
performance
standards
of
the
existing
r1m
subzone.
M
It's
not
the
city's
practice
to
do
that.
It's
the
city's
practice
to
find
an
r4
zone
that
is
kind
of
close
and
then
fine-tune
it
for
the
project,
we're
not
seeking
relief
from
an
r4
j
or
an
m
or
an
l
or
whatever.
It
is
we're
just
trying
to
write
an
r
for
zone
which
will
allow
this
project
to
go
forward
but
restrict
it
to
performance
standards
and
a
built
envelope
that
is
actually
more
restrictive
than
the
existing
r1m
zone.
F
What
the
you're
asking
for
is
the
zoning
that
enables
this
project
and
the
responsibility
of
the
committee
is
to
ensure
that
the
zoning
you
are
asking
for
meets
with
the
plans
and
policies
of
the
city,
and
your
argument
is
that
it
does.
This
committee
will
have
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
agrees
with
you,
but
we're
not
being
asked
to
determine
whether
or
not
variances
from
the
r4j
are
appropriate.
F
A
G
M
There
there
will
be
what
we
call
dry
ponds
on
the
site
to
deal
with
quantity
control.
There
isn't
going
to
be
water
sitting
in
the
on
this
property
all
times
of
the
year.
If
there's
a
heavy
storm
event,
there
will
be
some
water
that
accumulates
in
those
small
ponds
at
the
back
of
the
property,
and
then
they
will
drain
out
to
the
new
storm
store
in
the
street.
But
there
isn't
going
to
be
water
sitting
on
this
site.
M
Well,
it
accumulates
on
every
property
in
the
area
and
certainly
counselor
in
your
ward.
It.
The
subdivisions
are
designed
so
that
in
heavy
storm
events
that
the
water
does
accumulate
and
then
slowly
trickles
out
into
the
storm
sewers
or
out
into
the
storm
pond.
So
it's
no
dif.
What
will
be
happening
on
this
site
is
no
different
than
any
other
new
development
in
the
city.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
murray
for
being
here
today,
too.
I
want
to
thank
council
broughton
for
getting
you
to
clarify
a
little
more
on
that
storm
water
issue,
because
that
was
a
concern
raised
by
residents
as
well
as
myself
through
the
process,
because
the
the
issue
of
the
storm
water
didn't
really
come
up
until
december,
because
the
engineering
report
followed
the
application.
C
C
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
getting
that
worked
out
because
it
was
a
significant
concern.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention,
if
I
may
madam
chair,
is
in
response
to
counselor
leeper's
questions
to
to
murray,
about
the
affordability
factor
in
my
ward
alone
and
and
I'm
sure
kessler
gower
might
want
to
add
to
this
as
well.
In
my
ward
alone,
I
have
500
other
apartment
units
in
various
stages
of
construction.
C
Right
now
we
didn't
have
this
type
of
discussion
around
it:
one's
a
nine
story.
Building
on
a
corner,
the
nearby
residents
in
the
public
meetings
were
able
to
get
the
answers
to
what
they
needed
and
everything
the
difference
to
that
from
that
to
here
beyond
location
is
that
this
all
took
place
during
our
coved
lockdown
measures,
and
so
while
we
had
a
zoom
call
meeting
for
many
of
us,
it
was
the
first
time
to
try
to
hold
one
of
those
meetings
and
get
this
information
out
to
residents.
C
So
I
appreciate
that
this
was
going
to
be
more
difficult
than
a
nine
story.
Building
and
the
rest
of
the
apartments
are
three
to
four
story:
buildings
going
into
existing
neighborhoods
that
yes,
there
was
concerns
at
the
start,
we
were
able
to
work
through
them.
So
I
I
want
to
assure
my
colleagues
that
canada
south
is
going
to
have
more
apartments.
There
will
be
a
level
of
affordability
in
there
too,
and
that
adds
to
what
exists
today,
which
you
know
out
here:
it's
not
social
housing.
C
A
F
Thanks
chair,
so
my
questions
for
staff,
you
know
we've
heard
a
lot
of
assertions
around
process
and
I
think
that
there
is
significant
resentment
that
city
staff
did
not
evaluate
alternatives
that
were
put
forward
by
the
community,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
is
your
responsibility
with
respect
to
a
development
application
in
terms
of
developing
a
recommendation
for
this
committee?
What
is
what
is
your
purview.
Q
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
take
the
response
to
council
lieber's
question:
yes,
please
appreciating
the
question
counselor
and
I
just
want
to
respond
as
well
to
some
of
the
assertions
made
by
some
of
the
delegations
planners
in
development.
Reviewing
including
collette,
were
consummate
professionals,
so
our
job
is
to
review
the
application.
That's
before
us
today,
it's
to
make
recommendations
to
the
committee
on
this,
reflecting
the
public
interest
as
a
whole.
Q
So
we
do
ask
for
input
from
relevant
stakeholders
in
the
area,
neighbors
and
so
on,
but
we
also
look
at
the
public
interest
as
a
whole.
That's
reflected
in
our
policies,
including
our
official
plan.
So
we
go
to
the
policy
direction.
We
look
at
the
existing
context
and
the
planned
context
of
the
area
you
seek
that
input
from
stakeholders
and
then
we
review
those
concerns
that
are
expressed
by
stakeholders
as
part
of
every
application.
Q
So
I
do
want
to
say
that
it's
unfortunate
that
some
of
the
delegations
feel
that
their
concerns
were
not
heard,
but
I
can.
I
can
assure
you,
madam
chair
and
counselors
that
each
and
every
comment
that
was
submitted
by
members
of
the
public
were
reviewed
by
my
staff
and
in
many
cases
myself
as
well
and
considered
and
reviewed
as
part
of
the
consideration
of
this
report
before
committee
today.
But
what
is
before
us
today
and
what
was
staff's
responsibility
to
consider
was
the
application
that
was
submitted.
F
Okay,
so
there
is
a
there
is
a
path
forward
if,
if
residents
feel
that
the
decision
by
this
committee
and
the
decision
by
council
are
not
appropriate,
there
is
a
well-worn
path
at
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal
and
they'll
be
applying
the
same
lens
that
we
will
as
well.
Sorry,
one
further
question
chair
of
staff
with
respect
to
whether
or
not
this
conforms
to
the
r4j
and
whether
or
not
variances
are
appropriate
to
r4j
is.
Is
that
how
planning
staff
look
at
these
applications?
F
Q
Counselor,
I
would
echo
the
sentiments
of
mr
chown
in
terms
of
his
response
and
that
what
we
were
looking
at
was
the
change
from
the
r1
zone
to
a
zoning
that
would
reflect
and
accommodate
what
the
what
the
desirable
development
proposal
is
moving
forward
on
this
project.
So
it
wasn't
necessarily
looking
at
the
changes
between
reflected
in
the
exceptions
to
that
r4
zone,
but
it
was
essentially,
as
sort
of
the
charts
were
outlined
in
colette's
presentation
and
mr
chan's
as
well.
Q
Q
I'll
be
frank,
a
lot
of
the
the
setbacks
are
respected
and,
in
fact,
are
much
greater
than
what
would
be
permitted
under
the
r1
zoning,
and
so
in
that
case,
then
we
look
at
the
number
of
units
how
the
impacts
from
those
units
can
be
accommodated
on
site.
So
things
like
garbage
parking
on
site,
amenity
area
landscaping
and
if
those
can
all
be
accommodated
on
the
site,
then
what
we're
really
looking
for
looking
at
is
that
a
proposal
with
an
increased
number
of
units.
F
Thank
you
and
my
final
question
for
staff
is:
what
is
the
role
of
tenure?
What
role
does
that
play
in
the
decision
by
staff
to
approve
or
not
a
development?
Do
we
take
into
account,
for
example,
the
assertion
that
renters
don't
take
the
same
pride
of
ownership
in
the
community
and
that
that
can
change
the
dynamics
of
a
community?
F
Q
I'll
answer
that
in
one
word,
no,
we
don't
consider
tenure
as
part
of
our
our
consideration
of
the
application.
There
is
always
the
the
possibility
down
the
road
that
applications
for
apartments
can
seek
to
be
created
as
condominiums
as
well.
But,
quite
simply,
no,
we
don't
look
at
tenure
when
we're
evaluating.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
had
three
observations.
As
I've
been
listening
to
all
the
discussions,
one,
the
the
height
seems
to
be
something
that
we've
heard
a
lot
about,
and
I
I
would
like
to
observe
that
the
increase
in
height
that's
being
sought
here,
is
50
centimeters,
which
is
19
inches,
which
is
smaller
than
most
televisions
in
people's
living
rooms.
Right
now,
it's
not
a
significant
increase
to
the
allowable
height
in
in
the
zoning
50
centimeters
on
transit.
E
I
also
did
look
at
the
map
and
this
location
would
be
about
1.5
kilometers
from
the
planned
lrt
station
at
maple
grove.
So
in
the
future
it
will
be
pretty
close
from
from
a
higher
order
transit
station.
It's
about
two
kilometers,
although
not
quite
a
convenient
walk
to
get
to
the
terry
fox
station,
which
is
there
right
now.
E
The
other
one
is
on
types
of
homes,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
about
how
this
neighborhood
is
is
full
of
single
homes.
And
while
it's
true
that,
I
think
that
mercury
drive
has
a
lot
of
singles,
katimavik
also
has
many
townhomes.
There
is
an
existing
multi-story
apartment
building,
so
there
is
already
some
variety
in
housing,
and
I
supposed
to
echo
some
of
what
council
leaper
was
just
touching
on.
I
think,
as
as
counselors
committee
members
community
members,
we
have
to
be
really
careful
about
the
kind
of
language
that
we
choose.
E
E
A
C
C
There's
some
dispute
over
how
it
was
measured
and
I
think
aaron
you
were
going
to
reference
that
in
your
comments,
so
that
the
public
participating
today
would
also
have
an
understanding
of
how
that
height
piece
is
measured
here.
But
I'm
just
looking
for
taking
this
opportunity
to
ask
staff
for
some
suggestions.
I
I
know
I've
had
good
talks
with
doug
james.
I
don't
know
if
he
wants
to
weigh
in
on
this,
but
going
forward.
Q
Counselor,
perhaps
I'll
start
off
with
a
response,
and
then
mr
james
can
can
chime
in
in
terms
of
a
a
broader
policy
piece.
I
know,
as
part
of
the
new
year
work
plan
for
the
department,
we're
looking
at
a
zoning
review
that
will
that
will
accommodate
that
official
plan
review
coming
forward.
So
I
think
that's
in
the
work
plan
and
he
can
certainly
advise
further
on
that
on
on
the
height
provisions
on
the
particular
property
itself.
J
The
plans
or
the
submission
was
forwarded
to
building
code
services,
who,
if
this
application
is
successful,
would
be
responsible
for
issuing
a
building
permit
and
they
confirmed
that
building
height
was
calculated
correctly
by
the
applicant,
and
it
was
also
forwarded
to
the
zoning
interpretations
unit
and
they
confirmed
that
the
dormers
provided
on
the
roofs
are
considered
projections
and
they
are
not
considered
within
the
calculations
for
building
height.
Thank
you.
D
With
with
respect
to
height,
11,
11
meters,
and
that's
something
you'll
find,
as
I
say
throughout
the
city,
not
not
just
here
in
this
neighborhood,
but
throughout
the
city
it
was
it's
in.
There
creates
an
envelope
that,
of
course,
that
the
building
could
be
under
or
in
certain
cases
when
you
measure
the
height
to
a
half.
If
it's
a
peak
proof
to
the
to
the
midpoint,
but
it's
it
was
established
as
a
it's.
D
A
low
rise
still
considered
to
be
a
low-rise
development,
so
city
council,
when
passing
the
zoning,
said
that
11
meters
still
low
rise,
so
you
have
the
ability
to
go
up
to
that
height
with
respect
to
you
know
the
new
zoning
bylaw.
We
will
be
doing
that
we're
doing
a
new
official
plan
this
year
and
immediately
following
that,
as
required.
We
have
to
go
through
the
process
of
instituting
a
new
zoning
bylaw.
B
D
One
of
those
issues
and,
as
you
say
as
the
councillor
hubley
says,
getting
the
word
out
that
yes,
there
is
a
height
limit
on
all
properties
and
in
many
instances
it
is
11
meters
still
considered
to
be
a
low
rise
at
that
at
that
height.
So
there
will
be,
I
say,
the
opportunity
for
people
to
understand
and
know
about
it
because
you're
right
a
lot
of
times,
people
aren't
aware
that
this
height
limit
exists
because
they
don't
go
check
the
zoning
of
their
properties.
You
know
every.
B
D
D
C
It
we
see
it
a
lot
with
applications
that
come
to
the
committee,
and
you
know
councillor
lieber
referenced
earlier,
some
of
the
things
that
he's
experienced
in
as
the
counselor
for
his
area,
the
difference
being
between
the
two
neighborhoods.
As
far
as
transit
goes
counselor
leaper
is
about
to
get
lrt's
there.
The
stations
are
literally
being
built,
as
we
said
here
today.
C
You
know
the
the
bus
service
is
totally
different
than
what
we
experience
in
the
burbs.
This
particular
location,
which
is
what
we're
dealing
with
today,
really
only
has
morning
and
afternoon
service
to
get
to
the
park
and
ride
and
back
it's
from
the
parking
ride
you
can
get
to
other
areas,
but
you
can't
go
anywhere
around
the
community
in
any
kind
of
a
reasonable
time,
often
you're
you're,
taking
a
bus
to
bay
shore
and
then
coming
back
depending
on
where
you're
going
here.
C
C
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councillor
hubley.
I
know
how
much
effort
and
time
you
put
into
this
application
and
how
hard
you've
worked
on
it,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
as
well,
because
certainly
I
know
that
mr
james
and
his
team
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
and-
and
I
was
part
of
that
time
as
well
so-
and
here
we
are-
I
think-
that's
it.
A
F
G
D
L
E
A
A
A
1325
johnston,
road
vice
chair
gower,
did
move
a
motion
on
behalf
of
counselor
deans
to
sustain
the
dc
complaint
and
direct
that
the
municipal
development
charges
paid
be
reimbursed.
The
difference
for
clarification
is
that
the
staff
recommendation
recommends
a
repayment,
but
not
the
full
repayment.
This
recommendation
does
now.
A
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
will
be
very
succinct.
I
did
lay
it
out
earlier.
I
think
about
9
30
this
morning,
the
basic
issue.
This
is
a
development
charge
issue.
The
staff
staff
have
classified
it
in
a
certain
way.
The
applicant
is
asking
for
it
to
be
considered
industrial.
It
is
an
industrial
zone.
The
difference
is,
they
have
basically
categorized
it
like
an
auto
repair
center.
A
traditional,
auto
repair
center
has
a
storefront
you
and
I
can
walk
through
the
door.
It's
a
commercial
in
nature.
I
We
can
have
our
tires
change
or
rotate
it
or
oil
change
in
this.
These
are
basically
fleet
repairs
that
a
whole
fleet
would
come
in.
There's
no
commercial
use,
and
so
the
applicant,
in
effect,
is
saying
that
the
staff
and
and
the
staff,
I
think,
will
tell
you
this
themselves
that
it's,
it
doesn't
fit
neatly
into
any
category
that
we
currently
have.
I
So
it's
a
judgment
call
and
I'm
just
saying
that
it's
a
significant
amount
of
money
when
this
is
really
a
use,
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
precedent
for,
and
I
think
counselor
herder.
You
pointed
out
that
lexus
had
a
similar
issue
and
and
received
the
same
relief
that
we're
asking
for
today.
So
I
think
that's
as
succinct
as
I
could
put
it.
I
don't
think
it's
a
cut
and
dry
case.
I
A
Right
and-
and
that
was
much
better
than
9
30
this
morning-
I'll
say
that,
and
you
know
the
example
that
I
was
mentioning
was
on
macarthur
and
it
was.
The
difference
is,
and
I
can
remember,
counselor
kadri.
Actually
he
was
trying
really
hard
to
get
the
point
across
that
this
was
not
they
weren't
selling.
Anything
here,
like
you
said
there
was
no
storefront
and
staff
are
in
a
position
that
they
have
to
come
up
with
the
recommendation.
They
do
because
we
don't
have
that
nice
tight
title.
A
That
goes
with
this
kind
of
purpose,
counselor
tyranny,
and
I
will
very
much
remember
papa
jack
and
the
popcorn
debacle
that
we've
eventually
got
to
a.
I
mean
it's
just
just
these
things
that
it's
not
everything
fits
into
the
same
box
in
this
case.
It's
a
hospital,
if
you
will
for
tesla
in
the
case
on
macarthur
in
the
previous
term
or
the
one
before
that
it
was
a
hospital
for
lexus.
A
But
you
couldn't
go
there
and
get
your
nice
warm
cover
for
the
wheel
or
not
that
they
wouldn't
already
have
heated
steering
wheels
because
I'm
sure
they
all
do
but
those
anything.
You
know
that
you
wouldn't
be
going
to
buy
that
it's
strictly
a
hospital
for
a
particular
brand
of
car.
So
now
I'll
ask
mr
moon,
mr
mckenna
or
mr
donnelly.
If
they
would
like
to
speak
today,.
D
D
I
recognize
chair
harder's
comment
to
hospital
for
tesla.
They
actually
repair
more
than
tesla,
but
it's
a
specialized
location,
one
of
the
uses
for
tesla,
it's
a
new
product
and
they're
doing
research
and
development,
but
on
how
to
fix
teslas
and
the
pictures
that
were
with
my
supplementary
submissions
yesterday
are,
in
fact
of
a
tesla
the
focus
here.
It's
section
20
of
the
development
charges
act.
It
allows
a
complainant
to
ask
you
well
council,
but
you
sit
in
lieu
of
council
to
rectify
an
error,
error
or
determination
by
staff.
D
D
Amazon
euphemistically
calls
their
big
buildings
or
building
in
town
or
on
the
edges
of
town
fulfillment
centers
whatever
that
means.
So
you
don't
look
at
the
word.
Repair.
Amazon
is
a
warehouse
and
distribution
center.
This
is
where
automobiles
get
reconstructed
and
improved
they're
seriously
damaged.
In
some
cases,
their
utility
is
nil.
Certainly
their
value
is
greatly
reduced.
D
D
I
have
to
embarrassingly
say
to
you
that
at
the
time
that
I
was
brought
this
matter,
I
focused
on
the
definition,
as
did
a
very
good
land
use
planner,
and
we
spent
time
focused
on
the
definition
and
I
actually
missed
section.
Four
of
the
development
charges
act
and
I
had
to
embarrassingly
later
when
the
staff
report
come
out,
say
to
my
staff,
say
to
my
client.
You
know
what
staff's
right.
D
D
A
B
First
of
all,
madam
chair
committee,
members,
councillor
deans,
thank
you
for
your
time
today,
happy
new
year
to
you
all
and
before
I
make
my
comments
as
a
citizen,
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
the
city's
done
a
great
job
with
kovid,
so
you
you're,
keeping
us
safe
and
pass
that
on
to
everybody,
because
you've
done
a
really
good
job.
Thank
you.
Clearly,
this
is
it's
an
honest
mistake
or
a
misinterpretation.
That's
taken
place.
B
The
comparables
that
were
given
to
us
don't
apply.
This
is
not
retail
space.
There's
no
customers,
it
is
a
cinder
block,
hard
metal
repair
place
and
the
4
000
square
foot
addition
that
we've
done
is
clearly
in
the
definition
of
industrial
there's.
There's
no
ambiguity
here,
absolutely
none,
and
I
really
hope
that
the
staff
understand
that
this
is
not
it's.
B
Industrial
and
it's
it's
a
mistaken
interpretation,
it
may
be
ambiguous,
but
we
fall
within
the
definition,
and
I
would
ask
the
committee
to
support
our
situation,
especially
in
these
difficult
times,
where
already
we've
seen
just
based
on
the
impact
of
kobit.
You
know
collisions
are
down
significantly,
which
is
probably
a
good
thing
for
everybody
else,
but
not
good
for
us.
So
anyways.
We
just
asked
for
your
support
on
this.
It
is
just
a
mistake
or
a
misinterpretation.
Thank
you.
A
F
I
to
the
to
the
applicants-
and
you
know
I
assume
staff-
will
ask
as
well
or
not
the
applicants
but
the
the
appellants.
I
guess
in
this
case,
so
I
don't
want
to
stick
it
to
a
local
business
at
a
difficult
time,
and
and
obviously
you
folks
are
a
significant
employer,
but
we
we
waive
development
charges
at
our
apparel.
We
need
development
charges
to
pay
for
things
that
residents
and
everyone
needs
businesses
alike
in
order
to
accommodate
growth
in
the
city.
F
F
D
With
respect
counselor
lieber,
I
think
it's
making
things
or
improving
things,
and
this
is
an
improved
product.
It
goes
in
damaged
and
comes
out
improved,
and
if
this
is
an
area
of
ambiguity
for
you,
I
remind
you
that
all
courts
in
ontario
and
canada
supreme
court
of
canada
has
said
with
a
taxing
statute.
Where
there's
an
ambiguity,
the
taxpayers
should
get
the
benefit
of
the
ambiguity.
F
F
G
Madam
chair,
my
questions
were
literally
asked
by
counselor
leaper,
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
the
connection.
When
I
hear
the
words
improve
products,
I
think
about
a
company
that
receives
logs
and
makes
picnic
tables.
They
take
something
that's
of
lesser
value
and
they
make
it
into
something
that
has
a
greater
value
and
that's
not
happening
here.
So
I've
got
questions
for
staff
that
I
need
greater
understanding.
Okay,.
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
want
to
go
through.
Yes,
staff
obviously
have
to
make
determinations
of
the
use
that
is
carried
out
in
this
in
this
building
or
any
building
that
they
review,
and
I
agree
with
counselor
deans
that
you
know
interpretations
have
to
be
made.
Obviously,
definitions
can't
drill
down
into
all
the
minutia
potential
scenarios
that
may
come
before
us,
but
the
idea
of
industrial
manufacturing.
K
It
was
staff's
assertion
and
belief
that
this
is
still
and
has
been
for
the
last
20
years.
This
has
been
our
interpretation
on
the
the
industrial
use
definition
that
it
is
a.
It
is
a
service
of
repair
that
is
being
rendered
here
and
we
felt
to
remain
consistent,
that
that
is
what
was
happening
at
this
location
as
well.
I'll
be
at
maybe
more
extensive
repair
than
might
happen.
You
know
this
changing
of
brakes
or
the
changing
of
oil,
but
there's
also
engine
repairs
and
engine
replacements
that
go
in.
K
You
know
some
significant
stuff
that
goes
on
in
repair
garages,
but
that
we
felt
this
was,
albeit
at
the
high
end
of
that,
that
it
is
still
a
service
of
of
repair
that
is
being
rendered,
and
by
that
definition
we
would.
We
would
sit
on
the
side
of
of
a
non-industrial
use
or
sorry
on
a
on
an
industrial
use.
So
yeah,
that's
basically
what
we've
done.
G
A
L
H
B
Madam
chair
I'll,
take
that
madam
chair.
It
is
very
important
for
the
reasons
just
outlined
by
the
counselor
that
one
looks
to
the
definition
in
place.
I
I
it's
my
understanding
that
this
land
carries
an
industrial
zoning
and
when
one
reflects
upon
the
language
that
the
council
just
read
out,
that
is
consistent
with
the
repairs
taking
place
at
this
facility
that
is
worked
into
that
definition
of
industrial.
B
L
B
Madam
chair,
I
wouldn't
say
that,
creates
an
ambiguity.
One
definition
reads
one
way
and
it
should
be
applied
according
to
its
words,
the
zoning
definition.
This
definition
reads
differently.
They
they
are
clear
to
me,
madam
chair.
The
fact
that
they
are
different
does
not,
in
my
opinion,
create
an
ambiguity.
E
B
A
All
right,
I
don't
again,
I
don't
see
any
participants
so
unless
somebody
else
sees
somebody
waving
we
have
before
is
the
develop.
The
development
charge
complaint
motion
that
vice
chair
gower,
put
on
the
table
for
us
on
behalf
of
council
deans,
the
planning
committee
recommend
the
council
sustain
the
development
charge
complaint,
so
support
the
development
charge
complaint
that
was
brought
to
us
in
respect
of
1325
johnston,
road
and
direct
that
the
municipal
development
charge
is
paid
to
be
reimbursed,
so
we'll
do
yays
and
nays
again
on
that,
okay
council.
G
G
O
C
B
G
A
E
A
A
C
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
a
brief
inquiry.
It's
on
the
neighborhood
study,
madam
chair,
in
particular
my
inquiry.
What
I'm
trying
to
get
out
here
is
four
points,
one,
whether
any
tax
dollars
have
been
contributed
to
the
study
by
the
city
of
ottawa,
whether
we're
paying
to
use
it
or
did
we
contribute
to
create
it,
two
have
how
our
city
staff,
across
the
city,
not
just
in
planning
but
across
the
city,
using
this
report
three.
How
do
we
validate
the
information?
C
A
Okay,
other
business
other
than
the
marathon
coming
up
sometime
on
friday.
The
report
will
be
released
and
this
is
on
the
urban
expansion
study
and
then
the
meetings
are
monday,
the
25th,
the
26th
and
the
28th,
if
necessary-
and
I
guess,
if
we
needed
to
go
longer
than
that-
we
would
we'll
take
as
long
as
we
need
as
always
right,
but
at
the
beginning
we're
going
to
define
you
know
when
we're
going
to
stop
we're
going
to
start
the
meetings
at
9
00
as
opposed
to
9
30.
A
Yes,
it's
not
that
we
have
a
a
massive
list
at
this
point.
We
do
have
some
delegations
that
have
that
have
signed
up,
but
let's
face
it:
oh
counselor
leaper,
just
a
second,
the
let's,
let's
let's
face
it,
people
will
want
to
read
the
report
before
they
decide
what
they're
going
to
say,
or
you
know
or
who
they're
going
to
say
it
with.
So
that's
why
we
don't
know,
but
we're
airing
on
the
side
of
caution,
so
use
your
one
trip
to
the
grocery
store
and
stock
up.
Well
anyway.