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Planning Committee - March 24, 2022
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C
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
councillor.
Brockington
has
sent
his
regrets.
He
is
away
on
city
business
this
week,
so
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
item
one
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
A
A
D
Those
with
presentations
up,
thank
you,
so
I'm
andrew
mcrae,
the
file
lead
the
application
before
you
is
an
official
plan
amendment
to
establish
the
manor
park
north
and
south
secondary
plan
next
slide,
please
so
the
manor
park
northlands
are
generally
at
the
north
west
corner
of
saint
laurent
and
hemlock
road.
Extending
up
to
blasdale.
You
can
see
the
lands
as
outlined
by
the
white
building
massings
in
this
image
and
west
of
the
lands
is
a
manor
park
public
school.
On
the
south
side
of
hemlock,
there
is
beechwood
cemetery
to
orient.
D
You
next
slide
the
development
concept,
which
will
inform
the
secondary
planned
policies
before
you
for
manor
park.
North
consist
of
a
variety
of
low
and
misrise
buildings
up
to
nine
stories,
so
nine
stories
being
the
maximum
building
height
you'll,
see
in
manor
park
north
the
concept
results
in
approximately
1400
residential
dwelling
units
just
over
8
000
square
meters
of
commercial
space,
as
well
as
a
new
city
park.
That's
approximately
7,
200
square
meters.
D
You
can
see
it
in
the
middle
of
this
image
where
the
potential
parkland
is
shown
next
slide
the
land's
referred
to
as
manor
park
south.
This
is
an
image
looking
south
consists
of
a
number
of
properties
along
brittany
drive
generally
between
saint
laurent
boulevard,
as
well
as
montreal
road.
So
the
proposed
building
heights
that
inform
the
policies
before
you
are
the
buildings
that
are
shown
in
a
ghosted
gray.
D
D
D
This
image
here
is
translating
the
development
concept
into
the
policy
schedules
that
are
recommended
for
approval
that
will
go
along
with
the
area,
specific
policies,
so
the
text
policies
of
the
secondary
plan.
What
we've
done
here
is
this
is
manor
park
north.
So
it's
it's
reconfirming
saint
laurent
boulevard
as
a
main
street
corridor,
which
is
very
consistent
with
the
new
op
language
and
it
it
solidifies
that
this
corridor
would
be
a
mid-rise
mixed-use
designation
with
building
heights
up
to
nine
stories.
D
And
then
you
can
see
the
building
heights
taper
down
to
mid-rise
being
six
stories
and
then
low-rise
four
stories.
As
we
approach
the
edges,
it's
important
to
note
from
a
policy
perspective
on
the
schedules
you'll
see
near
the
bottom,
there's
a
hash
box
with
a
number
that's
to
identify
that
in
some
cases,
even
though
you're
in
a
mid-rise
designation,
which,
from
a
land
use
perspective,
generally
permits
up
to
nine
stories,
if
you
have
a
specific
building
height
identified
in
that
box,
such
as
six
stories.
That,
in
turn,
is
your
maximum
building
height.
D
Similarly,
manor
park,
south
the
properties
along
brittany
drive
reestablish
the
different
heights
that
are
permitted
from
a
land
use
schedule
perspective,
so
we
have
low
rise,
mid-rise
different
high-rise
categories.
Again,
with
the
tallest
being
up
to
30
stories,
you
can
see
a
30-story
building
in
the
top
right
corner,
which
would
be
backing
on
to
aviation
parkway.
D
So
the
owners
signed
a
memorable
memorandum,
understanding
committing
to
a
number
of
things,
and
that
has
come
out
of
the
consultation
process
as
well.
Next
slide,
please,
speaking
of
the
mou,
it's
I
think
the
committee
is
getting
very
familiar
with
mousse
these
days,
but
it
is
not
something
that's
required
by
the
planning
act.
D
There's
another
component
of
the
mou:
that's
talking
about
further
conversations
and
dialogues
with
a
community
benefits
agreement,
so
you'll
see
language
in
the
mou
about
a
continued
discussion
on
a
community
benefits
agreement
which
is
happening
as
a
separate
process,
and
the
intent
is
that
that
conversation
will
continue
and
reach
resolution
prior
to
the
first
phase
of
development.
So
whatever
the
next
subsequent
planning
application
is
whether
it
be
a
zoning
or
site
plan
that
happens
after
the
opa
process,
but
before
the
first
phase
of
development.
D
Continuing
that
community
benefits
agreement
next
slide,
please
just
quickly
some
highlights
on
the
mou.
It's
the
the
main
driver
of
this
mou
is
to
emphasize
that
there's
no
displacement,
no
displacement
of
the
tenants,
and
I'm
sure,
you'll,
hear
this
quite
detailed
in
the
applicant's
presentation
or
through
q,
a
with
staff
for
the
applicant.
The
other
main
component
of
the
mou
is
securing
affordable
housing
both
in
terms
of
the
existing
units.
D
The
540
units
that
are
remaining
after
the
first
phase
of
development
will
be
secured
as
remaining
affordable
being
at
or
below
market
rate,
and
all
new
development
will
have
either
either
10
of
the
development.
Be
affordable
housing
unless
it's
subject
to
something
like
an
inclusionary
zoning
bylaw,
where
more
would
be
required,
so
there's
different
triggers
in
place.
But
the
main
point
is
the
mou
is
committing
to
all
new
development
in
this
plan.
Providing
some
level
of
affordable
housing
and
protecting
the
existing
housing
stock
is
affordable.
D
So
the
recommendation
before
this
committee
is
staff
are
recommending
approval
of
the
opa
which
will
result
in
a
brand
new
secondary
plan,
known
as
the
manor
park
north
and
secondary
plan
items
a
and
d
there
are
really
authorizing
and
approving
the
opa
to
create
this
secondary
plan
such
that
it
would
live
in
both
the
current
official
plan,
with
the
authority
to
adopt
it
into
the
new
official
plan
as
well.
The
other
recommendations
would
be
from
a
strategic
point
of
view.
We
would
not
implement
the
bylaw
being
approved
if
that
is
council's
decision.
D
D
Next
slide,
please
just
quickly
over
the
policy
context
of
how
we
reached
reached
this
conclusion
of
recommending
approval.
There
is
an
assessment
against
both
the
current
and
new
official
plan,
staffer
of
the
opinion
that
the
proposal
before
you
is
is
largely
consistent
with
official
planned
policies,
despite
the
need
for
an
opa
vast
majority
of
the
building
heights
and
land
uses
before
you
are
consistent
with
policy
when
we're
looking
at
general
urban
area
designations
and
current
op
language
or
inner
urban
transect
designations,
those
properties
that
are
off
the
main
street,
so
not
fronting
saint
laurent.
D
D
There
are
numerous
examples
where
that's
the
case,
so
the
heights
that
are
before
you
vast
majority
of
the
buildings
do
not
require
an
opa,
but
the
benefit
of
this
package.
Is
you
get
a
specific,
secondary
plan
that
has
policies
that
are
dovetailed
to
manor
park?
North
and
manor
park
south,
while
also
reinforcing
the
land
use
designations
and
building
heights,
happy
to
take
questions
on
our
policy
assessment
about
transition
areas,
the
actual
specific
policies
and
schedules,
but
that
is
an
overview
of
the
application
before
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
andrew,
so
we'll
come
back
to
andrew
and
and
planning
staff
at
the
end
for
any
questions
from
the
committee
and
from
counselors
we're
going
to
go
now
to
a
presentation
from
the
applicants,
there
are
four
people
that
I'm
aware
of
who
are
here
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
jacob
balduc
and
miguel
trombley
from
foten
david
renfrow
from
renfrew
land
management
and
lalit
agarwal
from
manor
park
states.
I
see
miguel
and
jacob
who's
leading
off
miguel.
Is
that
you
or
is
that
jacob.
E
E
E
E
You'll
note
that
the
the
secondary
plan
area
is
actually
two
two
different
parcels.
There's
made
a
part
north,
which
is
centered
along
saileron
boulevard
between
hemlock,
road
and
glasdon
avenue.
It's
about
nine
hectare
parcel
and
then,
if
you
go
south
along
sail
around
the
500
meters
to
pretty
drive,
you'll
find
what
we're
calling
main
park
south
for
a
total
of
about
15
hectares
between
the
properties.
E
E
First,
I
want
to
get
into
the
the
extensive
public
and
stakeholder
consultation
that
was
undertaken
throughout
the
process.
So
first
off
through
momentum
communications,
he
was
the
communications
consultant
on
the
project,
contacted
every
single
tenant
of
mayor
park
estates
652
prior
to
the
application
submitted.
So
that
was
the
first
step
to
the
competitive
consultation,
was
to
put
the
tenants
first
and
ensure
that
they
had
the
opportunity
to
hear
from.
F
E
F
E
H
E
Had
consultation
sessions
with
the
public
about
two
hours,
each
the
first
was
with
again
tenants.
First,
we
had
a
tenants
only
meeting
where
we
presented
the
new
development
and
had
a
bit
of
a
discussion.
We
followed
that
with
the
next
meeting
being
just
with
the
broader
community
and
then
the
third
session
was
actually
more
of
a
q
a
so.
The
first
two
were
more
presentations,
followed
by
a
q,
a
feedback
session.
E
E
E
Additional
meetings
with
other
stakeholders,
including
the
ncc,
because
the
brittany
lanes
are
right
adjacent
to
the
parkway
school
boards,
the
mpca
mpcc.
We
also
had
a
four
hour
focus
session
with
the
udrp,
where
we
looked
at
important
urban
design.
Elements
such
as
the
park
land
locations,
appropriate
podium
heights
along
brittany,
total
building
heights
for
high-rise
buildings,
also
a
good
session
about
the
gateway
buildings
that
we're
proposing
at.
E
E
Proposal
includes
ground-oriented
housing
in
the
north,
we
are
proposing
townhouses
or
stacked
out
houses
or
any
other
low-rise
products
in
those
transitional
areas
adjacent
to
the
adjacent
residential
properties,
and
I
would
also
note
that
we're
also
exploring
options
within
podiums
for
a
diversity
of
dwelling
types.
There's,
for
example.
E
No
reason
why
you
can't
have
street
oriented
townhouses
occupying
the
podium
of
a
high-rise
building,
so
we're
not
quite
at
the
detailed
design
stage,
but
we
definitely
recognize
that
there's
an
appetite
for
ground
oriented
housing
in
this
community
to
help
maintain
the
existing
community
character.
Next
slide,
please
with
respect
to
parkland
and
green
space.
As
noted,
there
are
two
proposed
parks,
one
in
the
north
and
one
in
the
south.
E
E
Secondary
plan
approach,
the
advantage
is
that
we
can
strategize
for
those
park
lanes
and
allocate
them
where
required,
there's
more
units
in
the
south.
That's
why
the
parkland
is
bigger
and
we
noticed.
For
example,
there
was
an
opportunity
for
a
land
swap
adjacent
to
bangs,
which
is
carpenter
way,
so
we
were
able
to
work
with
park
staff
and
staff
to
find
ways
to.
E
Felt
wasn't
necessarily
necessary
in
order
to
increase
park
space
in
exchange
for
developable
lands
in
the
north,
so
the
result
is
two
bigger
parks
through
the
introduction
of
the
secondary
plan
approach.
Overall,
it's
a
260
increase
in
the
private
courtyard
amenity
space.
If
you
look
at
these
images,
you'll
know
that
there
are
open
green
spaces,
but
there's
also
quite
a
bit
of
surface
parking
and
so
by
moving
88
percent.
Sorry,
rather
by
moving.
F
E
Underground
and
we're
now
at
a
total
of
88
of
the
proposed
parking
with
the
underground
some
limited
service
parking
in
the
north
adjacent
to
that
ground,
oriented
housing.
The
result
is
actually
a
4.1
increase.
Sorry
to
4.1
decrease
my
apologies
with
respect
to
the
total
hardscape
compared
to
the
existing
development.
So
even
with
the
new
buildings
and
the
new
spaces
that
are
being
proposed,
we're
seeing
a
reduction
in
the
hardscape
over
the
existing
condition,
largely.
E
With
respect
to
connectivity
and
community
in
manor
park
north,
we
wanted
to
establish
something
called
the
village
square
centered
around
eastbourne,
just
south
of
blasdale
along
single
row.
The
intent
was
to
bring
back
the
concept
of
the
15-minute
community,
which
we
talked
a
lot
about
under
the
new
official
plan
and
bring
some
local
commercial
services
north
of
hemlock
there's
an
existing
plaza
at
havelock
and
sailor
on
that
does
provide
some
services
to
the
community.
E
We've
also
introduced
mid-block
connections
so
right
now
these
are
quite
large.
Private
townhouse
blocks
so
through
the
introduction
of
either
new
local
streets
or
pedestrian
connections.
Passing
through
these
connected
amenity
areas,
we
can
break
up
these
large
blocks
and
ensure
that
people
don't
feel
restricted
to
go
all
the
way
around.
They
can
pass
through
and
connect
to
park,
space
and
other
great
spaces
in
the.
I
E
E
A
new
social
infrastructure
space
that
andrew
discussed
on
the
ground
floor
of
one
of
one
of
the
buildings,
as
well
as
a
potential
community
garden
adjacent
to
that
residential
community.
I
would
also
know
there's
opportunities
for
new
cycling
infrastructure,
especially
along
brittany.
These
lands
form
a
significant
portion
of
the
brittany
frontage,
and
so,
when
you're
redeveloping
those
lands
at
opportunity,
it
provides
opportunities
for
new
development
of
infrastructure
within
brittany
street,
starting
with
the
gravy
drive,
including
the
convention,
cycling
or
enhanced
transit
infrastructure.
E
E
E
Connection,
but
on
our
site
visit,
we
noted
that
it
could
cert.
It
could
certainly
be
improved
next
slide,
please
and
finally,
just
to
touch
briefly
on
on
phasing
and
anti-displacement.
As
mentioned
through
the
mou.
There
is
a
commitment
to
anti-displacement.
That
is
it's
not
a
timed
anti-space
pledge
it
is
forever.
E
I
would
also
note
that
the
developer
has
committed
to
a
three-year
notice
before
any
construction
occurs,
with
respect
to
phase
one
and
phase
two,
and
going
back
to
that
phase-in
plan,
it's
actually
strategically
phased
to
demolish
the
fewest
existing
buildings,
while
developing
capacity
for
movement.
So
in
phase
one
which
you'll
see
on
the
side
of
the
screen,
you
can
take
down
a
limited
number
of
townhouses,
develop
mid-rise
and
high-rise
buildings
that
when
you
were
then
prepared
to
engage
in
phase
two
tenants
could
be
relocated
as
part
of
the
anti-displacement
pledge
to.
C
E
E
A
A
F
F
Young
people,
renters
bypaw
communities,
the
people
who
are
not
currently
in
the
housing
market
and
who
are
struggling
to
find
their
way
into
it.
So
I
I
want
to
commend
everyone.
Who's
worked
on
this
project
because
you
know
I'll
be
honest.
We
need
20
or
30
of
these
in
the
city
to
get
us
where
we
need
to
be
to
deal
with
our
housing
crisis,
but
this
is
a
really
good
start
and
I
really
love
what
I
see
from
this
project.
F
I
don't
pretend
to
know
all
the
nuances
but
to
see
a
developer
working
this
hard
to
to
try
and
commit
to
affordable
housing,
to
commit
to
providing
affordable
homes
for
displaced
peoples
in
this
community
and
see
the
commitment
to
the
green
space,
the
parks
they're
going
to
build
and
the
way
they're
phasing
it
in
over
over
several
years.
You
know
this
just
seems
like
such
a
responsible
project
it.
F
It
seems
like
the
exactly
what
we
need
across
the
city,
and
I
I
don't
want
to
go
on
for
for
too
long,
because
you
know
this.
This
is
not
my
community,
but
I
I
will
say
this
is
a
community
that
looks
like
one
I
would
love
to
live
in
and
I
think
there
are
thousands
of
people
like
myself
across
the
city
who
are
going
to
look
at
this
and
say
geez.
F
L
I
think
what
residents
are
looking
for
is
appropriate
intensification,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
that
that
distinction
and
also
a
clarification,
I
think
at
the
last
planning
meeting.
Mr
tester
talked
about
the
use
of
arguments
around
the
historical
nature,
historical
designation,
the
manor
park
in
in
comments
that
I
think
were
directed
or
specific
potentially
around
the
task
force
recommendations.
L
M
F
Yeah
thanks
thanks
for
your
comment,
sean,
I
I
think
it's
a
fair
question.
The
the
answer
is
no.
This
is
I
mean
you,
you
know
what
my
day
job
is.
I
I'm
a
political
digital
marketer
in
my
day
job.
This
is
what
I
do
for
fun.
That
may
make
me
an
oddball,
but
you
know
I'm
super
passionate
about
housing.
I've
been
passionate
for
a
long
time.
I
I
work
with
some
of
the
volunteers
on
more
neighbors
toronto.
F
They've
got
a
fantastic
group
there
too,
and
you
know
really
it's
just
young
people
getting
together
and
and
saying
we're
concerned
about
the
housing
crisis.
We
want
to
see
some
meaningful
action
on
it
and
I,
I
really
do
think.
That's
that's
so
important
and
and
just
to
to
comment
on
the
you
know
the
the
developer
connection.
F
They
want
to
build
houses
and
they
want
to
make
money,
and
I
think
that
this
city
is
best
served
when
we
work
with
developers
to
give
them
incentives
to
build
projects
that
build
the
right
type
of
housing
and
the
right
amount
of
housing,
rather
than
just
opposing
them
at
every
turn
and
making
them
into
a
political
enemy.
I
don't
think
they're
the
enemy.
I
think
they
have
a
clear
goal
in
mind:
making
money,
that's
how
businesses
succeed
and
survive,
and
you
know
that's
how
we
build
housing
right.
F
There's,
there's
nobody
putting
their
hand
up
and
saying.
I'm
gonna
do
this
for
free
right,
and
I
I
I
will
add
too.
You
know
on
the
affordable
housing
piece
because
I
I
know
sean
you're
such
a
fantastic
champion
and
an
advocate
for
building
more
affordable
housing
yeah.
I
think
a
lot
of
developers
are
willing
to
work
with
you
on
that,
but
there
needs
to
be
funding
right
from
municipal,
provincial
federal
government.
F
Nothing,
nothing
comes
for
free
in
this
world
right,
it
costs
money
to
build
these
buildings
and-
and
you
know,
developers
want
to
see
a
profit
and
when
we,
when
we
make
them
out
to
be
villains,
I
I
think
what
we're
really
doing
is
is
saying
I
want
to
have
my
cake
and
eat
it
too,
and
you
know
we.
We
can't
do
that.
M
I
appreciate
that
and
the
simple
question
was
was
whether
there's
any
connection
with
that
campaign
and
the
development
industry-
and
you
said
very
clearly
no,
there
is
there
is
not
there's,
there's
no
connection
there.
So
that's
a
that's
a
clear
answer
and
in
terms
of
you
know,
developers
and
profit
that
come
with
it
for
us,
of
course,
it's
a
balance,
but
that
comes
with
speculation
where
we're
expanding
our
urban
boundary
and
there's
cost
to
taxpayers
in
different
ways.
Other
costs
that
increase
for
them.
M
When
we
take
down
trees
and
green
space,
those
things
always
have
to
be
balanced,
and
so
that's
the
that's
always
the
conundrum.
Is
you
need
to
balance
out
how
that
housing,
where
that
housing
gets
built
and
what
it
looks
like
in
communities?
Of
course?
So
you
know
definitely
appreciate
your
voice
and
and
other
people
that
you
know
certainly
want
to
have
more
affordable
housing
and
housing
affordability.
M
I
think
we
agree
on
that.
It's
the
the
how
we
get
that
which
is
yeah
governments
need
to
fund
it
fund,
affordable
housing
to
to
get
it.
I
don't
think
we're
ever
going
to
get
it
just
from
the
private
market,
so
anyway
really
appreciate
your
clarity
on
on
the
the
connection
with
the
campaign.
That's
helpful
and
thanks
for
for
being
here.
A
N
I
thought
it
was
automatically
demuted.
Sorry
thank
you,
councillor
gower
and
chair,
I'm
elizabeth
mcallister
and
I'm
the
past
president
of
the
manor
park
community
association-
and
you
know
I'd
like
to
start
this
presentation
by
thanking
lily
agarwal
for
trying
to
break
the
mold
of
the
bad
developer.
He
has
been
open,
accessible
and
has
listened
to
our
concerns,
and
we
greatly
appreciate
his
many
efforts
to
listen
to
the
community
and
to
actually
he's
already
made
significant
contributions
to
the
community
next
slide.
Please.
N
But
the
stakes
are
high
for
the
national
level.
We
see
that
a
35
acre
urban
development
inner
urban
development
represents
a
unique
opportunity
for
a
g7
capital
to
showcase
urban
management
that
attracts
and
maintains
talented
workers
for
the
city.
The
official
plan
needs
a
win,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
the
community.
We
live
through
replacing
two
communities
we
will
live
through
replacing
two
communities
of
low
to
ground
housing
with
mid
and
high
rises,
increasing
units
by
almost
600
percent.
N
N
Yet
we
have
no
commitment
from
the
city
to
contribute
to
manage
down
destruction
that
we
will
face
or
to
contribute
in
a
planned
and
coordinated
process
to
building
a
successful
urban
village.
Despite
our
requests
for
a
village
plan,
slide
3,
please
matter
park
residents
have
a
clear
idea
of
our
vision
and
what
we
don't
want.
Please
rest
your
eyes
on
this
slide.
N
I
won't
read
it
all,
but
what
we
do
want
is
a
safe
and
healthy
community
that
doesn't
overburden
city
resources
and
what
we
don't
want
is
a
high
rise
in
mid-rise
apartment
block
development
which
eliminates
or
reduces
on-the-ground
family,
affordable
houses,
and
we
don't
want
to
drive
families
from
the
city
or
either
slide
four.
Please,
who
are
we
well
we're
a
mixed
neighborhood
and
we
have
significant
levels
of
individuals
and
family
who
need
social
support.
N
You'll
see
we
have
20
25
percent
single-family,
single-family
families,
and
we
have
an
astonishing
37
percent
child
poverty
in
the
south
of
manor
park.
Next
slide,
please.
We
are
the
worst
riding
in
ottawa
for
child
poverty
and
the
18th
worst
in
canada
for
child
poverty
in
our
ward,
and
we
reflect
that
award.
N
Yet,
despite
five
years
of
joint
advocacy
with
six
other
community
associations
and
the
ward
resource
center,
the
city
has
turned
its
back
on
resource
on
requests
for
a
targeted
poverty
strategy,
a
youth
strategy,
our
communities
developed
a
coded
strategy
that
delivered
60,
000
meals
and
developed.
The
ottawa
cares
website
because
nobody
was
home
when
we
asked
for
help.
N
So
how
do
we
trust
that
adequate
social
services
will
be
available
for
at
least
eight
thousand
more
residents?
How
can
we
trust
that
transit,
transportation
parks
and
recreation
recreation
will
be
available
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
community
that
the
best
environmental
standards
will
be
maintained?
We
know
that's
a
challenge:
how
can
we
afford
2.9
million
for
a
porsche
dealership,
but
not
a
request
for
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
a
youth
strategy
lead
next
step
next
slide.
Please.
N
N
N
Building
trust
requires
accountability,
to
agree
community
objectives
for
such
a
major
redevelopment
and
for
the
mou
and
the
cba,
which
covers
part
of
what
would
be
a
plan
for
a
village
plan
agreed
concrete
parameters
which
the
show
the
meeting
of
commitments
to
clear
objectives
can
be
rude,
reviewed
by
the
ca
and
the
counselor.
We
need
an
accountability
framework.
N
L
L
N
N
We
do
not
have
the
absorptive
capacity
to
to
manage
that
change
in
a
way
that
will
continue
the
existing
social
infrastructure
and,
if
I
could
say,
social
infrastructure
is
not
building
social
infrastructure
is
a
community
is
that
which
creates
a
community
resilient.
That
brings
people
together
by
doing
things
they
love
to
do
and
it's
the
spaces
between
the
buildings
that
count
and
how
the
buildings
are
set
out
and
how
the
retail
is
curated.
N
You
know
many
cities
like
sydney,
australia,
curate,
the
retail
that
comes
into
a
community
to
ensure
that
it's,
the
appropriate
community
appropriate
to
the
community,
and
we
also
see
that
we
will
have
many
cut
throughs,
as
we
have
the
traffic
coming
from
not
only
this
major
development,
but
also
from
water
ridge,
which
others
will
be
speaking
to
this
morning,
and
we
are
neighborhoods
that
work
together
across
social
lines
and
in
all
of
our
communities.
Many
park
east
west,
north
south
children
play
on
the
streets
and
managing
traffic.
N
We've
had
very
little
response
from
the
city
to
manage
traffic
safety.
So
how
can
we
be
sure
that
we
will
have
that
safety?
Moving
ahead?
Is
a
is
a
big
issue
for
us
also,
I
think
we,
we
had
a
wonderful
experiment
going
on
here,
and
that
was
we
were
when
we
did
our
strategy
in
2017-18
and
we're
shocked
to
find
the
amount
of
poverty
hidden
away.
Ottawa
hides
its
poverty
very
well,
including
manor
park.
N
We
were,
we
were
shocked
by
the
needs
that
were
not
being
met.
We
were
shocked
that
the
ottawa
neighborhood
services,
ottawa,
neighborhood
study,
did
not
include
manor
park
and
the
data
were
wrong,
so
we
had
no
access
to
foundation,
funding
and
very
little
access
to
any
city
funding.
We
fought
hard
to
get
some
city
funding,
but
it's
really
just
for
poverty
alleviation,
not
for
poverty
reduction.
N
You
know,
build
community
understanding,
understanding
of
the
other
there's
so
much
that
we
were
able
thinking.
We
were
able
to
do
because
we
had
exactly
what
the
sociologists
say:
we
need
to
reduce
cycles
of
poverty
and
to
reduce
racism,
and
that
is
a
strong
middle
class
that
reaches
out
to
and
supports
people
in
our
community
that
need
help,
and
we
have
that.
We
have
people
who
take
who
organized-
and
I
was
part
of
it-
for
over
60
kids
to
get
syrian
kids
to
get
skates
to
get
skating
lessons.
They
had
helmets.
N
We
were
all
involved.
A
number
of
us
are
now
hockey
moms
to
syrian
syrian
kids
skating.
This
came
from
ted
ryan
who
lives
in
dunvega,
and
that's
just
one
example
of
what
we
had
going
in
terms
of
a
community
that
wants
to
reach
out.
My
concern
is,
with
this
amount
of
mass
in
large
buildings.
You
will
not
have
that
same
community
spirit
that
we
could
continue
our
work
on,
trying
to
be
a
model
community
and
trying
to
break
the
cycle
of
poverty.
L
And
I
absolutely
do
appreciate
your
your
your
reflections
on
that.
I
was
going
to
ask
about
social
infrastructure,
though
we
know
that
that,
unfortunately,
is
kind
of
a
detour
from
talking
about
planning,
and
I
personally
feel
that
it
shouldn't
be
and
that's
why.
I'm
very
pleased
that
you
have
really
enumerated
what
has
been
occurring
in
manor
park,
and
I
want
to
commend
manor
park
yourself
and
also
manor
park.
Community
association
for
the
big
focus
on
poverty
reduction.
L
The
work
that
you've
been
doing,
and
I
think
that
what
you're
speaking
to
here
in
terms
of
what
is
being
proposed.
I
I
know
that
the
concern
that
I've
heard
from
residents
is
that
it
changes
the
basic
nature
and
the
characteristics
of
the
neighborhood
that
you
might
not
have
of
these
social
investments.
And
you
might
not
have
the
same
interactions
if
the
typology
of
the
building
typology
and
the
new
buildings
that
go
up
change.
L
You
know
with
my
office
for
the
re-establishment
of
a
poverty
reduction
strategy
in
the
city,
a
a
food
policy,
food
security
policy
in
the
city.
So
I'm
really
pleased
that
those
efforts
and
that
those
dimensions
have
been
examined.
I
do
know
that
you
did
mention
the
idea
of
a
village
plan
and
in
this
plan
we
see
that
a
new
village
square
is
being
proposed.
N
I
would
say:
yes,
I
think
the
community
largely
would
love
to
have
more
places
to
meet
and
greet,
and
we
were
very
strong
in
our
support
of
maintaining
the
boundary
of
the
city,
so
we
wouldn't
lose
valuable
farmland,
we're
ready
for
intensification,
as
you've
said
before
the
one
thing.
I
guess
that
from
a
selfish
point
of
view
is
that
we're
not
very
happy
to
see
that
it
presents
quote
an
opportunity
to
provide
parking
on
side
streets
throughout
manor
park.
N
N
N
We're
not
talking
about
a
single
building
here
today
at
planning
committee,
we're
talking
about
building
a
community,
a
community,
the
size
of
fredericton
new
brunswick.
When
I
grew
up
that
had
universities,
it
had
an
amazing
art
gallery.
It
had
multiple
rinks,
multiple
pools,
multiple
parks,
big
large
woodland
parks
for
that
number
of
people,
and
now
we
can't
get
alvin
park
fixed,
which
is
a
small
tiny
park
in
the
middle
of
one
of
our
low-income
cooperatives.
N
N
L
Well,
thank
you
for
your
submission
and
thank
you
for
once
again
for
the
work
that
you've
done
in
the
community.
I
think
you
know
your
work
really
does
and
your
your
presentation
echoes
what
I've
heard
from
community
members
over
this
process
concerning
the
the
reality
around
a
density,
creating
traffic
impacts
and
accelerating
the
deterioration
of
infrastructure.
L
L
These
are
themes
that
I've
heard
very
clearly
not
just
from
the
community
association
when,
when
you
were
there,
but
also
from
residents
who
you
were
really
conveying
in
terms
of
of
their
concerns.
So
I
really
appreciate
your
delegation
today,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
in
a
public
forum
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
over
a
number
of
years
in
our
community
in
manor
park,
to
make
it
better.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
N
L
A
O
Hi
good
morning,
everybody
thank
you
very
much
for
letting
us
address
the
committee
this
morning,
I'm
the
president
now,
with
the
manor
park
community
association,
I'm
a
resident
of
urban
ottawa
for
the
last
50
years
and
our
realtor
in
ottawa
for
the
last
43
I'd
like
to
echo
elizabeth's,
sentiments
and
comments
that
mr
agarwal
and
his
family
have
been
very
open
to
discussion.
They've
listened
to
what
the
community
has
had
to
say.
They've
definitely
made
some
improvements
to
their
original
proposal
and
they
have
offered
a
generous
non-displacement
package
for
their
residents.
O
So
we
really
do
appreciate
that.
I
I
would
also
like
to
add
that
the
families
made
it
possible
for
the
ncc
to
rebuild
our
little
blasdell
footbridge
in
a
timely
manner
and
also
for
having
purchased
the
encounters
with
canada
site
to
use
as
a
community
center.
Obviously
there
may
be
a
a
finite
timeline
for
that,
but
we
certainly
have
it
there
for
some
time.
So
we
I
really
appreciate
those
investments.
O
Many
of
the
written
submissions
that
you've
received
and
hopefully
have
read,
have
spoken
to
issues
as
they
might
impact
one
or
another
part
of
the
neighborhood
and
maybe
a
little
bit
more
specific.
But
today,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
more
broad
strokes
regarding
the
intensification
and
this
project,
despite
the
reference
by
the
developers
planner
that
there
won't
be
any
high-rises
in
manor
park
north
implying
that
they've
given
in
to
our
northern
request.
I
want
to
be
crystal
clear
that
the
community
association
is
here
to
represent
the
entire
community
north
south,
east
and
west.
O
We
are
not
against
intensification.
We
are
well
aware
of
climate
concerns
and
the
inability
to
sustain
sprawl.
However,
we
judge
this
particular
plan
as
presented
right
now
as
far
too
intense
for
the
absorptive
capacity
of
our
community
and
our
neighbors
who
share
the
infrastructure,
I
think,
as
urban
communities,
we
are
feeling
a
little
bit
assaulted
by
the
city's
intensification.
O
Right
now,
suburban
transit
riders
actually
have
better
transit
and
quicker
transit
to
get
downtown
than
those
of
us
who
live
in
the
urban
core
and
have
to
take
milk
runs
to
get
to
work.
If
the
city's
aspiration
is
to
build
inclusive
and
livable
cities,
then
this
proposed
plan,
in
our
opinion,
doesn't
fulfill
that
desire.
O
The
proliferation
of
tower
style
dwelling
units
in
the
core
and
here
in
manor
park,
will
not
attract
families.
It
will
attract
mostly
singles
and
couples
with
all
my
years
in
real
estate
experience,
families
don't
really
want
to
live
in
a
box
in
the
sky
to
raise
a
family.
They
may
get
started
there,
but
eventually
realize
that
it's
untenable
and
move
to
where
they
can
have
a
little
patch
of
grass
or
outdoor
space,
and
mr
willis
even
mentioned
at
the
last
planning
committee
meeting
that
the
low
low-rise
ground-oriented
building
form
was
the
most
desirable
for
intensification.
O
O
The
city's
been
pushing
for
intensification
near
transit
hubs
and
that
really
totally
makes
sense,
but
to
call
montreal
road
or
hemlock
and
beachwood
or
even
celeron
transit
priority
corridors
in
their
present
state
is
laughable.
Anybody
who
travels
regularly
on
any
of
these
lines
will
know
how
jammed
and
slow-moving
these
roads
are.
O
How
can
the
city
agree
to
enormous
densification
in
manor
park
without
a
plan
on
how
people
will
be
effectively
and
efficiently
moved
on
public
transit
or
to
be
able
to
safely
cycle
in
and
out
of
the
neighborhood?
We
are
not
close
to
the
lrt
we're
actually
four
kilometers
from
samurai
station
at
its
closest
point,
and
we
have
some
of
the
poorest
and
most
unpredictable
bus
routes
in
the
entire
city.
O
Green
space
again
also
super
concerning
the
city's
been
calculating
all
kinds
of
non-city
owned
or
in
control
green
spaces
as
part
of
the
overall
green
space
calculation,
for
instance.
Our
main
park
in
manor
park
currently
is
actually
owned
by
the
ottawa
carleton
district
school
board
residents
now
are
currently
not
allowed
to
use
the
park
during
school
days.
So
any
families
with
very
young
todds
who
would
still
go
to
the
top
lot
are
not
allowed
to
use
that
space
until
after
six
o'clock
should
the
school
close
or
sell.
O
They
can
then
do
what
they
want
with
that
land
and
we
lose
the
main
part
of
our
park
for
the
neighborhood.
So
the
green
spaces
that
are
allocated
as
part
of
the
opa
don't
nearly
cover
what
will
be
the
future
need
of
park
space,
and
if
the
city
standard
is
two
hectares
per
thousand
persons,
then
the
parks
proposed
by
manor
park
estates
are
on
approximately
two
hectares
for
4
000
people
so
already
not
meeting
the
city's
goal.
O
The
city
must
ensure
that
the
parkland
targets
are
met
and
we
feel
that
the
green
space
component
of
the
opa
needs
to
be
further
strengthened,
because
we
feel
that
the
opa
still
requires
work
on
form
and
density.
As
well
as
needing
to
answer
important
questions
regarding
recreational
infrastructure,
schools
we
are
and
and
transport.
We
are
asking
that
this
amendment
be
deferred,
at
least
until
the
transportation,
the
infrastructure
and
the
parks
and
recreation
master
plans
are
completed
and
a
more
realistic
view
of
what
the
future
actually
looks
like
in
manor
park
be
established,
because
we.
O
I'm
just
about
done.
The
citizens
of
ottawa
have
been
bombarded
throughout
these
last
two
pandemic
years
by
requests
for
so
many
profound
changes
and
without
the
ability
to
have
really
meaningful
face-to-face
engagements.
So
we
would
just
like
the
city
to
consider
deferring
the
approval
of
this
application.
For
now,
until
more
questions
can
be
answered.
A
K
K
There
are
some
aspects
of
this
proposal
that
I
I
think
are
temporary
problems
like
with
transportation
the
transportation
grid.
I
hope
that
your
community
is
fully
engaged
and
I'm
sure
you
are
with
the
transportation
master
plan
that
will
describe
the
investments
we
need
to
make
in
order
to
facilitate
the
kind
of
intensification
that
the
city
anticipates.
K
But
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
was
those
recreation
facilities.
I
voted
against
the
new
official
plan,
partly
because
I
don't
believe
that
the
city
is
going
to
make
good
on
a
commitment
to
ensuring
adequate
recreation
facilities
in
some
of
these
newly
intensified
neighborhoods.
Where
do
people
swim
today?
Where
are
the
courts?
Where
are
the
gyms?
O
K
O
K
K
K
O
So
right
now
we
swim
at
the
cote
center
in
overbrook,
which
we
definitely
have
to
get
to
by.
I
would
say,
carr
because
cycling
around
cylora
is
not
great.
It's
okay
between
montreal
road
and
hemlock.
But
after
montreal,
road,
that's
a
nightmare
and
there
isn't
really
an
easy
way
to
get
through
community-wise.
O
We
have
the
library
in
vanier
or
at
the
cote
center
and
that's
those
are
the
closest
and
then
rocklift
park
has
a
small
library
as
far
as
gyms.
The
main
gym
for
recreation
is
again
the
cote
center
in
overbrook.
So
since
the
agrawal
family
bought
the
encounters
with
canada,
we
are
hoping
that
we
can
use
that
space
to
accommodate
a
lot
of
the
bigger
recreation
in
our
community,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
haven't
had
infrastructure
that
accommodates
older
kids.
O
We
have
a
lot
of
small
spaces
for
tots
and
and
and
young
kids
to
work
within,
but
nothing
big
for
older
kids.
We
have
used
and
done
programming
in
manor
park
school.
But
again
the
school
board
owns
the
entire
site
where
the
school
and
the
park
are
located.
The
city
at
one
time
had
an
actual
lease
with
the
board
for
reciprocal
use,
but
that
document
has
disappeared.
O
Nobody
can
find
it,
and
just
last
year
the
board
was
going
to
pave
a
third
of
the
park
to
create
a
parking
lot
so
that
they
could
lure
more
french
immersion
teachers
to
the
school
because
they
all
drive
there
and
they
would
be
able
to
do
that
without
without
consultation.
We
fought
it
and
we
got
that
deferred,
but
that
park
infrastructure
is
not
ours
to
count
on
for
the
years
to
come,
and
neither
frankly
is
the
encounters
with
canada.
Building
that
the
aggrowal
family
bought.
K
I
am
concerned
about
the
capacity
of
existing
recreation
facilities
with
no
real
plan
to
build
a
lot
more
recreation
facilities,
pools
being
one
of
the
the
key
ones,
and
I'm
just
wondering
again:
what
is
what
is
the
current
usage
of
of
your
local
municipal
pool?
Will
you
need
a
new
pool
when
this
development
goes
in.
O
Well,
I
would
imagine
that
the
on
in
pre-pandemic
times,
I
know
that
the
pool
is
a
very
highly
used
facility
and
it's
not
really
particularly
a
big
pool
either
it's
not
like
the
nepean
sports,
plex
pool
and
and
so
on.
So
I
would
say
probably
given
that
we
have
you
know
such
a
winter.
That's
long
as
we
do
that,
that's
a
something
that
people
can
do
in
the
wintertime
and
with
global
warming.
We
can't
count
on
the
odrs
to
be
very,
you
know
very
much
in
the
future.
L
Thank
you,
chair
and
I'd
also
like
to
thank
you
for
your
thoughtful
presentation,
natalie
on
behalf
of
the
community
association,
which
provides
an
incredibly
representative
view
of
the
residents
perspectives
in
manor
park.
I
have
a
number
of
questions
and
the
first
one
is:
what
do
you
consider
to
be
manor,
park's,
fair
share
of
the
city's
intensification
goals.
O
The
city's
goal
of
urban
intensification,
I
believe,
is
in
the
range
of
212
units
per
hectare,
so
if
we
even
just
used
that
modeling
that
would
reduce
this
application
by
about
a
thousand
units.
So
we
do.
We
do
get
intensification,
but
we
also
want
it
to
be
in
the
spirit
of
the
community.
That's
around
right
now
the
plan
shows
six-story
apartment
buildings
facing
the
manor
park,
public
school,
so
you're
gonna
have
this
wall
of
of
balconies.
O
Looking
over
this
elementary
school
from
jk
to
grade
six,
I
just
don't
feel
like
that's
a
very
appropriate
look
for
a
community
school
environment
and
the
junior
kindergarten
yard
is
at
the
front
of
the
school,
so
that
would
be
facing
onto
those
apartment
buildings.
So
I
I
feel,
like
that's
a
place
where
lower
density
or
townhouses
or
stacked
towns
would
be
more
appropriate
with
some
living
space
more
in
the
rear.
L
O
O
You
know
with
all
the
granite
countertops
two
and
a
half
bathrooms
a
garage
for
less
money
than
even
a
condo
apartment
cost
in
the
in
the
center
of
the
city.
So
why?
Wouldn't
they
want?
And
now
with
with
more
people
working
at
home?
And
I
think
in
ottawa
that
is
really
going
to
be
going
forward.
A
large
part
of
our
of
our
working
system,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
of
more
office
type
work
that
can
be
done
remotely
more
people
are
gonna
require
a
bit
more
space
to
to
be
in
their
dwellings.
O
You
know,
day
and
night,
so
they're
going
to
not
want
to
live
as
well
in
a
box
and-
and
you
know,
from
a
practical
perspective
as
a
family,
with
strollers
and
and
wagons
and
all
of
that
stuff
to
live
in
an
apartment
block
or
even
in
a
stacked
townhouse,
where
there's
very
little
storage
is
very
challenging.
And
that's
why
we
see
the
drive
out
to
the
burbs.
O
Well,
I
think
the
idea
of
of
building
more
dense
in
a
low
rise
format
is
is
very
workable
and
certainly
along
salaram
boulevard,
especially
south
of
hemlock,
where
there
are
more
high-rises
and
along
the
end
of
brittany
near
to
montreal
road.
I
I
can
see
those
spots
as
being
okay
for
for
towers,
but,
as
you
get
closer
to
existing
residential
and
the
the
the
plans
to
impede
on
on
sauron
north
closer
to
blasdale,
there
are
a
lot
of
single-family
homes
and
and
and
small
homes
around
there
to
gain
some
commercial
space.
O
But
you
know
the
the
ground
floor.
Podium
style
units
that
foten
referred
to
earlier
is
definitely
on
a
street
like
celeron
north,
very
workable,
and
I
fear
that
that
would
be
what
would
end
up
anyway,
because
even
if
the
city
aspires
to
have
commercial
on
the
ground
floor
and
mixed
use,
a
the
city
cannot
impose
it.
You
have
no
method
to
force
a
developer
to
actually
stick
with
the
plan
of
having
commercial
on
the
ground
floor.
O
As
we
know,
the
pandemic
especially
has
brought
everybody
to
online
shopping.
Today's
youth
is
way
more
online
oriented
and
they
don't
get
the
value
of
shopping
at
your
neighborhood
bookstore
or
your
neighborhood
this
or
that.
So
we
find,
even
in
current
commercial
situations,
a
lot
of
services
being
put
in
like
lawyers
or
dentists
or
doctors,
not
really
retail
stores
that
people
would
go
shocked
to
so
I
can
definitely
see
what
will
happen
on
on
the
north
end
of
saddle
rod.
Those
will
turn
into
podium-style
townhouse
units
facing
the
street,
but
I
mean
we.
O
We
hope
we
could
create
more
retail
because
it
would
make
our
neighborhood
more
walkable,
but
the
reality
is
that
it's
unlikely
that
that
would
happen
just
because
of
the
nature
of
how
society
is
moving.
We
can't
even
fill
our
commercial
space
on
beechwood
and
claridge.
Who's
has
a
proposal
for
an
apartment
building,
which
was
six
years
ago.
O
A
condo
and
today
is
double
the
density
and
a
rental
has
eliminated
the
retail
on
the
ground
floor,
saying
it's
untenable
and
unrentable,
and
this
is
on
the
main
street
of
the
neighborhood
of
of
so
many
neighborhoods
of
vanier
and
rockliffe
and
lyndon
lee
and
manor
park.
So
it's
pretty
hard
to
expect
that
it'll
happen
in
other
places.
O
Well,
I
I
don't.
I
I
think
that
I'm
not
gonna
speak
to
that
specifically
because
I
don't
know
the
details
of
it
enough
to
really
respond
properly.
But
I
I
would
say
that
the
commercial
should
stick
closer
to
the
sound
raw
hemlock
intersection,
because
it
would
be
more
central
there
and
close
to
other
retail
and
they
could
feed
off
each
other.
Then
shimmying
up
sileron
too
far
north,
where
it's
going
to
be
too
disconnected
from
the
rest
of
the
retail.
L
I
appreciate
that
we
had
seen
some
concerns
from
a
number
of
residents
about
that
location
kind
of
being
feeding
into
the
community
rather
than
supporting
the
main
street
that
has
had
some
commercial
in
the
past.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
that
question.
Another
question
I
wanted
to
ask
is
in
terms
of
what
you've
seen
from
community
input,
what
will
be
the
impact
of
the
proposed
redevelopment
on
the
community
character
of
manor
park
and
its
sense
of
community,
and
I
think
you
touched
on
this
a
bit.
O
Well,
you
know
we,
the
manor
park
is
like
a
really
special
neighborhood.
There
are
third
generations
coming
back
to
roost
in
the
neighborhood,
so
it's
that's
pretty
special
and
it
speaks
a
lot
to
the
experience
of
growing
up
and
living
in
that
neighborhood.
I
think
that
one
of
the
beauties
of
the
neighborhood
in
its
current
state
is
that
kids
are
playing
outside.
They
are
playing
on
the
streets
they
are
going
to
the
park.
O
It's
a
really
free
range
kind
of
environment,
but
you
know,
as
we
know,
we
don't
really
let
our
kids
anymore
go
to
the
park
by
themselves,
because
there's
the
guy
in
the
white
van
that's
going
to
take
them
away,
and
so
our
our
culture
of
how
we
raise
our
kids
has
also
really
changed.
So
the
fear
is
again
with
the
typology.
O
That's
proposed
of
so
many
high-rise
buildings
that
families
will,
if
they
are
living
in
those
units,
will
never
let
those
kids
go
outside
and
they'll
be
on
their
little
ipads
the
whole
time,
because
the
parkland
or
the
outdoor
space
is,
you
know
five
floors
down
or
ten
floors
down,
and
you
won't
let
your
kids
go.
There,
by
your
themselves,
so
having
more
ground
oriented
units
that
have
a
little
patch
of
green
space
or
play
space,
that
a
mom
can
keep
or
dad
can
keep
an
eye
out
on.
O
A
L
O
O
But
we
don't
know
what
the
ocdsb
is
thinking
about,
how
they
want
to
manage
their
schooling.
Will
there
be
enough
kids
in
water
ridge
to
warrant
building
a
school
there?
Would
they
close
manor
park
school
to
build
a
new
school
in
water
ridge
and
then
sell
off
their
school
in
manor
park
to
another
board?
None
of
the
boards
have
actually
exercised
their
options
in
water
ridge,
and
those
people
have
moved
there
are
are
upset
because
they
they
got
told
by
the
sales
people
at
the
sales
offices
that
there'd
be
schools
and
they're
there.
O
Now
you
know
for
three
four
years
and
nothing
so
so
figuring
out
how
the
impact
of
new
families
and
new
children
on
our
community
school.
It
draws
such
a
huge
boundary
right
now.
Kids,
there
are
some
kids
that
are
on
the
bus
for
an
hour
coming
from
water
it
or
from
overbrook,
and
even
like
the
avenue
q
p
zed,
just
on
the
other
side,
near
train
yards
and
they're
on
the
bus
for
50
minutes
to
come
to
school.
O
L
Well,
I
appreciate
that
I
just
make
this
short
comment
that
we
know
that
there
are
too
many
children
in
that
school
that
are
being
sent
to
that
school
when
we
have
other
schools
in
the
area
that
don't
have
the
same
type
of
population.
So
that
is
a
that's
a
huge
challenge
and
a
huge
consideration.
If
we're
looking
at
this
greater
density
being
proposed.
O
Just
on
on
some
more
technical
things,
I'd
like
to
the
park
that's
proposed
in
manor
park,
north,
we
really
feel
is
more
of
an
amenity
space
for
the
proposed
dwellings
around
it.
It's
not
really
open
to
the
community
at
large,
it's
blocked
by
a
six-story
building
on
braemar,
so
we
feel
that
that
doesn't
open
it
up
for
for
the
community
use.
O
We
are
really
concerned
that,
if
that
were
the
park,
because
the
school
changes,
what
they're
doing
there,
that
it
would
be
way
too
small
to
accommodate
all
of
the
new
residents
and
the
current
residents,
because
that
the
school
field
there
is
now
our
soccer
field
for
all
of
our
young
young
soccer
players,
and
it
has
two
baseball
diamonds.
It
could
also
half
of
it
be
gone
for
a
parking
lot
next
year.
We
have
no
control
over
that,
so
I
feel
the
parkland
is
not
large
enough.
I
I
don't.
O
We
we're
also
very
concerned
about
the
exit
from
the
part
of
the
development
between
sailor
and
braemar,
there's
a
roadway
out
onto
hemlock,
so
that
would
be
people
turning
from
sailrite
onto
hemlock
right
away.
Getting
at
to
an
intersection.
Then,
right
away
again
to
another
intersection,
this
would
really
impede
safe,
walking.
O
The
kids
are
walking
to
school
on
that
street
and
also
safe
cycling,
so
that
we
had
made
very
clear
in
our
first
comments
and
that
never
changed
and
again
the
transition
of
the
high
rises
from
the
north
end
of
brittany
coming
towards
the
built
up
current
residential
area,
we
feel
needs
to
get
toned
down
in
order
to
not
be
as
impactful
on
the
current
residences.
So
those
are
like
just
small
things
that,
while
they're
not
small
things,
but
those
are
just
like
three
obvious
things
that
we
would
like
to
see
changed.
L
L
I
think
that
they're
items
that
you
have
outlined
and
I'm
just
wanting
to
inform
the
the
chair
that
I'll
be
working
with
councillor
menard,
to
see
the
introduction
of
such
a
motion
that
would
ask
for
a
deferral
so
that
there
will
be
greater
a
greater
opportunity
for
consultation
with
with
the
community
on
these
specific
items
that
you
you've
outlined.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation.
Thanks.
H
B
O
O
Trip
it
already
starts
getting
clogged
on
salary
on
boulevard
at
peak
hours,
so
it
would
take
probably
30
to
35
minutes
to
take
the
bus
from
my
house
to
parliament
approximately,
and
I
could
walk
there
in
about
50
minutes,
not
in
like
minus
40,
and
you
know
piles
of
snow,
but
I've.
I've
walked
it
in
in
50
55
minutes
from
my
house,
whereas
from
bar
haven
you
can
get
on
a
transitway
line
and
be
downtown
in
about
50..
O
O
Well,
it
was
it
actually
well
if
you
could
get
before
the
lrt
on
one
bus
and
be
downtown
right,
so
that
now
there's
a
change.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
onerous,
there's
more
work
in
the
in
the
trip,
but
the
the
trade-off
is,
though,
that
people
who
live
downtown
for
the
same
priced
property
live
in
less
house
or
less
apartment
than
somebody,
that's
in
the
suburbs.
O
B
Right,
okay!
Well,
I
just
I
did
want
to
set
the
record
straight
a
little
bit
because
I
pulled
up
the
oc
transpo
planner.
While
you
were
chatting
yeah,
one
of
my
dearest
friends
lives
on
georgetown
private,
so
I
used
her
address
to
plug
it
in
it
said
34
minutes
so
consistent
to
what
you're
telling
us
and
that's
not
in
russia
or
traffic.
I
live
in
navin.
It
would
take
me
one
hour
and
32
minutes
to
walk
to
the
closest
bus
station.
B
So
I
don't
do
that
when
I
take
transit
I
use
the
park
and
ride.
If
I
can
organize
myself
to
get
to
the
one
bus
that
comes
to
navin
in
the
morning,
if
not,
I
go
to
millennium
park,
which
is
in
south
orleans,
which
I
also
represent
right
now
departing
at
10.
40
is
when
I
plugged
it
in
and
appreciating
that
it's
not
rush
hour.
It's
one
hour
to
city
hall
from
millennium
park
from
a
different
address
in
avalon.
That's
not
a
major
transit
hub.
B
It's
a
an
hour
and
eight
minutes
one
way
and
from
an
address
in
stittsville.
It
was
one
hour
and
37
minutes,
and
we
know
that
south
orleans
and
stittsville
are
are
high
growth
areas
in
the
suburbs
and
are
coming
online
at
a
density,
much
greater
than
that
of
banner
park
at
present.
So
I
just
I
had
to.
I
had
to
sort
of
set
the
record
straight,
that
it
is
not
easier
to
get
to
downtown
by
transit,
depending
on
on
where
you're
coming
from,
but.
O
A
H
A
K
Point
taken
chair
the
so
I'm
looking
at
this.
This
is
one
of
those
things
where
it's
a
secondary
plan
that
is
specific
to
the
development
that
the
developer
wants
to
build.
We
see
that
relatively
frequently
at
the
city.
It's
not
necessarily
a
neighborhood
secondary
plan
that
defines
over
a
more
natural,
organic
neighborhood.
You
know
where
should
tall
buildings
be?
Where
should
low-rise
buildings
be?
Where
should
commercial
be
it's
very
specific
to
what
the
developer
wants
to
build?
K
When
I
look
at
the
bigger,
broader
context,
I
just
wonder
whether
if
there
was
a
deferral
of
this
application,
whether
the
community
would
be
interested
in
having
a
discussion
about
a
broader
secondary
plan
that
considers
the
wider
neighborhood
and
maybe
some
trade-offs
in
return
for
lower
density,
where
the
developer
is
seeking
to
develop.
I'm
looking
at
north,
the
the
north
portion
of
this
and
the
surrounding
community,
of
which
this
development
will
be
a
part,
is,
is
r1k.
K
O
So
that's
a
that's
a
really
good
question
and
I
know
that
with
the
province's
desire
to
eliminate
r1
zoning
that
that
kind
of
change
is
coming
to
manor
park
soon,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
but
I
certainly
would
rather
manage
that
kind
of
road
and
pathway
than
have
it
imposed
on
us.
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
speak
more
from
a
personal
perspective
than
as
the
representative
of
the
community
association
at
this
point.
O
But
I
don't
think
that
it's
unrealistic
to
expect
a
60
by
90
foot
lot
to
accommodate
two
semi-detached
houses
that
could
be
sold
independently
and
each
of
those
having
an
accessory
unit
in
the
basement
because
there
have
been
mcmansions
built
that
would
take
up
exactly
the
same
amount
of
of
a
volume
as
two
separate
houses.
So
I
think
that
would
be
community
sensitive
intensification,
as
opposed
to
just
saying
you
can
now
build
a
four-story
apartment
block
next
door
and
part
of
the.
O
But
it's
also
a
it's
also
a
two-edged
sword,
because
when
you
allow
that
kind
of
zoning
to
happen
all
of
a
sudden,
it
also
makes
the
land
prices
go
up
right.
So
it
makes
it
less
affordable
than
it
might
have
been
before
anyway.
So
it's
a
and
we've
seen
this
in
vanier
for
sure
how
much
the
prices
of
of
properties
of
of
things
that
like
really
are
not
in
good
condition,
skyrocket,
because
there
you
can
now
build
way
more
on
on
that.
K
We
are
for
up
zoning
and
then
you
know,
we've
normalized
some
of
the
existing
historical
patterns
in
westboro
through
through
our
three
zoning.
That's
probably
going
to
be
applied
city-wide,
but
it
does
allow
for
more
housing,
more
units
right,
so
long,
semis
on
a
property
that
would
have
four
principal
dwelling
units
and
four
secondary
dwelling
units
you
know,
would
easily
be
accommodated
on
on
these
lots
in
the
r1k.
O
A
P
I
thought
this
was
adjusted
well,
it
seems
like
it
isn't:
okay,
hello,
everyone!
Some
of
you
already
know
me.
I
it's
aisha,
komo,
I'm
a
tenant
of
manor
park
going
on
seven
years
and
I'm
a
former
volunteer
with
the
mpca,
a
current
member
of
the
cba
working
group
and
I've
been
involved
with
the
opa
from
the
beginning
and
I'm
a
I'm
a
resident
of
manor
park
as
a
resident
of
manor
park.
P
Yet
you
can
only
imagine
the
thoughts
that
came
to
the
mind
of
current
manor
park,
tenants
when
they
heard
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
development
and
personally,
I'm
still
working
on
calming
now
some
of
my
neighbors
around
the
neighborhood,
because
they
think
that
this
is
going
to
happen
to
them.
And
I
see
that
this
is
quite
the
change
of
tone.
From
the
whole,
you
know,
transit
versus
heights
versus
all
sorts
of
other
stuff.
P
Other
people
are
other
residents
of
manor
park
are
concerned,
I'm
more
here
for
the
tenants
of
manor
park
estates
and
those
who
are
actually
you
know
or
renting,
either
from
manor
parking
space
or
around
the
neighborhood
from
the
families
that
live
in
these
units
that
are
going
to
be
directly
affected
from
the
change
not
living
on
the
other
side
of
san
loren.
And
you
know,
oh
we're
going
to
have
more
people
in
our
neighborhood
there's
going
to
be
more
cars,
kind
of
thing
so
bear
with
me.
P
So
I
understand
the
counselor
king
has
his
reservations
about
the
opa,
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
he
has
known
reasons,
although
he
did
support
it
in
uop.
As
far
as
I
know,
but
I'd
like
to
bring
it
to
the
attention
of
the
council
members
that
mrs
mr
agarwal
has
been
dedicated
to
open
communication
from
day
one
and
has
expressed
his
intentions
of
no
dumb
eviction,
no
displacement
and
rent
control
more
times
than
I
can
count
at
every
single
opportunity.
P
As
far
as
I
know,
I
think
heron
gate
is
still
working
on
their
mou,
as
I
don't
know
if
it's
finalized,
so
as
much
as
the
homeowners
of
the
manor
park
would
prefer
to
keep
our
neighborhood
just
the
way
it
is,
and
I
would
too
because
I
love
my
neighborhood-
that's
why
I've
been
living
here
for
so
long.
That's
why
I
chose
to
raise
my
family
here.
P
So
then
I'd
like
to
ask
the
council
members
to
put
themselves
in
the
shoes
of
these
tenants
and
to
make
an
honest
to
self-decision,
about
which
options
they
would
prefer
before
forcing
manor
parking
states
to
sell
their
lands,
because
that's
what's
going
to
end
up
happening
is
that
if
we
keep
blocking
the
road
every
single
time,
there's
an
opa
instead
of
trying
to
work
with
them.
Instead
of
trying
to
give
them
a
feedback
and
tell
them
what
we
actually
want.
P
So
they're,
not
actually
the
big
developers
aren't
going
to
listen,
they're,
not
going
to
consult
the
community
they're
not
going
to
consult
the
community
association
which
may
or
may
not
present
the
tenants
they're
going
to
build
a
40-story
building
at
the
hemlock
and
saint
laurent
they're
not
going
to
care,
and
mr
agarwal
has
already
made
an
amendment
to
that
specific
building
and
lower
the
heights
on
it.
So,
and
he
always
expresses
his
openness
to
suggestion
and
willing
to
to
be
listening.
P
So
I
ask
you
not
to
get
stuck
on
things
that
cannot
be
avoided,
like
density
and
the
effects
of
the
environment,
because
those
are
part
of
the
op,
not
just
this
opn.
I
ask
you
to
allow
the
manor
start
manor
park
estates
to
slowly
make
this
transition
while
putting
the
tenants
first
consulting
listening
and
caring.
P
L
Thank
you,
aishay
for
your
delegation.
I
had
questions
around
the
your
just
your
view
of
the
of
the
mou
and
the
cba.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
elaborate
on
that
process.
Obviously
my
office
had
been
involved
in
that
it
was
one
of
the
things
that,
after
listening
to
community
consultation,
we
asked
for
in
our
position
paper
so
that
it
would
be
formalized.
As
we
know,
the
the
applicant
did
make
a
commitment.
L
As
being
you
know,
a
very
important
element
and
an
element
of
that
I
will
be
willing
to
support
if
this
is
approved,
because
I
think
it
is
important
for
residents
to
have
an
ongoing
say
in
terms
of
the
rollout
of
development
and
amenities.
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
your
perspective
on.
You
know
how
that
looks
and
what
that
means
to
residents
at
tenants
in
in
manor
park
estates.
P
L
P
It's
just
a
big
step
that
he
was
willing
to
do
that.
Without
being
you
know,
hearing
aid
had
to
get
legally
involved
and
it
took
them
such
a
long
time
to
get
it
done
where
this
developer
is
willing
to
do
it
on
his
own
and
voluntarily
more
on
the
mou
cba
working
group,
I
personally,
I
personally
feel
that
the
cba
doesn't
have,
and
I
mean
this
is
the
definition
I
guess
is
that
they
don't
really
have
much
say
into
how
things
work
with
rent
control.
It's
it's
a
new
thing
for
ottawa.
P
I
am
hoping
that
with
the
working
group,
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
communicate
better
with
the
developer
on
to
what
it
is
actually
important
to
the
community.
As
far
as
the
environment,
the
green
space,
the
park
space,
all
the
other
things,
there's
there's
so
much
input.
We
can
get
out
of
that
communication
with
the
developer
with
the
cba
and
the
working
group,
so
it
is
very
important.
It's
we've
only
had
one
meeting
so
it
was.
P
You
know
it
was
just
the
beginning,
you're
just
getting
our
our
surroundings
and
you
know
how
how
responsibilities
are
going
to
be
shared
with
amongst
the
members
and
whatnot,
but
I'm
hoping
that
it
will
be
a
year
very
useful
tool.
On
the
other
hand,
I'm
also
feeling
like
there
are
subjects
that
cannot
be
controlled
really
by
the
developer
that
are
being
brought
up.
That
is
not
under
his
control
or
responsibility.
P
That
is
also
this
part
of
this
conversation
as
well
as
the
working
group
and
the
cba
there's
you
know,
school
board
is
not
part
of
his
domain.
He
doesn't
decide.
Neither
does
the
city
green
space,
yes,
he
gets
the
allocate
he
gets
to
decide
how
much
room
to
allocate
for
green
space
and
park
space
and
whatnot.
P
That
is
one
thing
that
is
really
important
to
the
community
and
the
fact
that
all
these
parking
lots
that
are
in
our
neighborhood
currently
behind
the
units
where
we
park
our
cars,
is
going
to
be
replaced,
they're
all
going
to
be
underground
parking.
As
far
as
the
the
proposal
goes,
and
most
of
that
is
going
to
be
replaced
by
green
space-
is
a
huge
improvement
from
what
we
have
right
now.
P
P
It
was
not
so
people
who
live
across
the
street
from
me
who
own
townhouses
with
a
garage
and
a
small
yard.
I've
been
living
for
seven.
I've
been
living
here
for
seven
years.
The
street
across
from
me
has
about
ten
houses
out
of
the
ten
houses
in
seven
years.
Only
two
of
them
are
still
there.
Everyone
has
sold
once
or
twice
and
they've
been
changes.
People
come
here
when
they
freshman
married
or
before
they
have
one
kid
they
see.
The
house
is
not
a
big
nap
yard
is
not
big
enough.
P
P
So
if
the
city
decided
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
higher
density
neighborhood,
the
best
we
can
do
is
to
take
the
developer
that
is
willing
to
listen,
communicate
and
adjust
their
plans
to
work
with
them
on
what
could
be
a
mutual
meeting
point
that
benefits
both
the
community
on
either
side
of
somewhere
on
or
either
side
of
minne
park,
and
you
know
that
allows
the
developer
to
make
money,
because
I
mean
he.
This
is
his
living.
This
is
how
he
you
know.
P
This
is
his
job
and
then
make
the
community
and
the
tenants
content
as
best
as
possible.
We
are
it's
impossible
to
make
everybody
happy.
We
all
know
that,
but
you
know
we
can
at
least
try
to
work
and
he's
willing
to
talk,
he's
willing
to
listen,
he's
willing
to
open
to
suggestions,
and
there
are
no
plans.
There
are
no
architects
that
have
been
involved
yet
so
every
feedback
from
every
single
person
he's
willing
to
listen
and
take
into
consideration.
P
L
L
Ongoing
development
like
this,
where
we
would
see
multiple
development
applications
come
in,
because
I
think
it
is
important
for
the
community
to
have
an
ongoing
say
in
a
holistic
way
about
how
the
development
goes
forward,
and
for
that
I
also
applaud
the
the
applicant,
and
I
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
obviously
is
being
undertaken
by
the
applicant
in
the
city
to
to
move
in
this
direction,
and
for
that
I'm
gratified
and
I'm
pleased
that
my
office
has
a
role
in
that
and
is
encouraging
that
process.
Thank
you,
chair
absolutely.
A
J
J
A
B
P
I
didn't
feel
the
f.
I
didn't
feel
that
it
was
presenting
the
whole
community.
Yes,
it
is
called
the
community
association,
but
it
seems
to
be
very
how
should
I
say
it's
been.
The
community
association
has
been
around
for
many
years,
obviously,
and
they
have
had
minimum
involvement.
If
I
I
may
be,
the
first
tenant
actually
or
I
may
not
be-
that
has
actually
volunteered
at
the
mpca
from
the
manor
park
estates
tenants
per
se.
P
I
didn't
feel
that
I
felt
that
my
free
time
and
efforts
could
be
put
to
better
use.
If
I
stop
volunteering
with
the
mpca
and
get
involved
with
the
working
group,
because
I
felt
that
I
could
make
a
better
impact
and
more
direct
impact
per
se.
If
I
were
to
volunteer
with
the
working
group
and
the
cba
versus
volunteering
with
the
mpc.
If
I
had
my
time,
I
could
juggle
both,
but
unfortunately
I
work
full
time
and
I
have
young
children,
so
my
free
time
on
volunteering
is
is
limited.
P
P
I
don't
have
strong
feelings
about
it,
because
that's
how
those
people
feel
I'm
not
just
saying
npca
wise,
but
people
who
express
their
opinions,
that
everybody's
entitled
their
opinion
and
that's
how
they
feel
being
you
know
living
where
they
are
living
here
for
as
long
as
they
have
lived
being
the
owners
or
whatever
situation
they're
in
that
is
their
feeling,
and
I
mean
I
would
love
to
keep
this
neighborhood
just
the
way
it
is.
I
love
the
townhouses.
I
love
the
the
community
feel
I
love
the
neighborhood.
P
I
love
being
able
to
chat
with
my
neighbors
walking
by
you
know,
walking
their
dogs
or
their
kids
or
whatever,
but
the
fact
is
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
stop
the
densification
of
this
neighborhood.
The
city
has
decided
this
with
the
new
op.
So
and
it's
not
going
to
happen
tomorrow.
That's
the
other
thing
is
that
by
the
time
I
live
down
on
manor
part
on
march
circle,
so
I'm
closer
to
the
stables
of
rcmp.
P
So
this
part
of
manor
park
is
phase
three
or
four
they're
not
going
to
break
ground
here
for
the
next
20
25
years,
maybe
even
longer,
so
it's
not
an
overnight
change
and
the
number
of
dwellings
that
are
proposed
from
what
I
understand
is
just
a
number
at
the
moment.
That
is,
for
the
purposes
of
the
infrastructure
for
the
city,
for
the
planning
and
the
next.
You
know
the
next
phases
of
intra-structure
updates.
P
So
just
because
it
says,
4
000
units
doesn't
mean
there's
going
to
be
4
000
units,
that's
a
number
again
they're
open
to
suggestions,
they're
open
to
planning
changes.
There's
again,
there
are
no
architects
on
the
on
the
scene.
Yet
has
you
know
that
proposed
anything?
So
that's
ev
everybody
needs
to
have
their
say.
I
just
feel
like
there
needs
to
be
more
present
representation
of
the
tenants
who
are
actually
going
to
be
directly
affected
by
this
change.
B
C
B
B
Bigger
decision
decisions,
because
many
of
the
applications
come
in
front
of
us
are
for
town
home
rental
developments,
apartment
rental
developments,
so
I
think
we
do
need
to
hear
more
from
from
people,
and
I
think,
as
a
council
and
as
a
city,
we
have
to
do
more
to
recognize.
This
is
a
perfectly
legitimate
housing
choice
that
people
make.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
found
it
very
refreshing
to
hear
that
perspective,
and-
and
thank
you
for
taking
time
this
morning
to
be
with
us.
S
I
S
We'd
be
spaced
out
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
hear
some
signs
and
balance
it
all
out.
I
like
to
apologize
to
counselor
king,
I
feel
like
as
tenants.
We
failed
to
properly
communicate
our
views
on
the
development
at
an
earlier
stage
and
it's
kind
of
put
you
in
a
not
maybe
awkward
position
of
trying
to
represent
the
community
and
speaking
to
the
heights
that
a
lot
of
people
are
worried
about,
but
maybe
not
weighing
the
value
of
the
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
same
weight
that
the
tenants
have
for
it.
S
I'd
also
like
to
thank
andrew
mcrae
for
dealing
with
my
emotional
and
perhaps
irrational
comments
and
questions.
So,
like
my
wife
said,
I've
been
a
tenant
for
seven
years.
I
love
this
place
and
when
I
talk
to
my
neighbors
that
rent,
we
all
support
the
opa
yeah
we'd
rather
live
in
our
town
houses.
And
yes,
we
love
our
gardens.
We
walk
outside
into
our
yards
and
yeah.
S
We
love
our
community,
the
people
we
live
next
to
that's,
why
we
all
stay
here
so
long,
the
fortune,
the
unfortunate
part
is
that
we're
not
actually
deciding
between
living
in
townhouses
or
living
in
high
rises
here
as
tenants,
we're
actually
choosing
between
living
in
a
high
rise
at
our
current
rent
or
paying
12
000
a
year
more
for
a
similar
unit.
In
a
similar
neighborhood
I
mean
you
guys
are
counselors,
so
you
guys
make
a
lot
of
money
right.
S
That's
the
reality
for
a
lot
of
the
people
who
make
fifty
thousand
forty
thousand
thirty
thousand
000
a
year
per
household
in
our
rental
and
that
kind
of
leads
us
to
an
uncomfortable
post
of
this.
All
is
somebody's
gonna
have
to
pay
for
this
like
right,
like
there's,
this
memorandum
of
understanding
has
real
costs,
and
that
is
a
big
reason.
S
So
when
the
developer
builds,
when
he
builds
a
similar
unit,
he's
going
to
lose
1100
dollars
off
the
top
line
of
his
revenue,
but
based
on
construction
costs,
which
are
about
three
hundred
fifty
thousand
a
unit
now
and
interest
rates
and
maintenance
cost
is
probably
gonna
lose
two
hundred
thousand
two
200
bucks
a
month
more
on
operation.
So
my
calculations
is
that
each
one
of
these
no
demo
fiction
clock,
like
everyone
who
benefits
from
this
known
demon.
S
When
you
multiply
that
1
300
a
month,
650
tenants,
20
years
you're,
looking
at
150
to
200
million
dollars
coming
out
of
the
developer's
pocket
to
meet
this
commitment
and
as
far
as
I
know,
that's
the
biggest
chunk
of
money
that
has
been
put
forward
as
a
poverty
reduction
plan
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
like
maybe
even
canada,
and
when
you
have
those
kinds
of
numbers
in
play.
You
kind
of
have
to
make
sacrifices,
and
in
this
case,
in
order
to
pay
for
that
amount
of
money,
while
not
losing
money
on
the
entire
development.
S
You're
gonna
need
to
build
about
three
thousand
six
thousand
units
and
that's
pretty
much
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
and
it
would
be
nice,
I'm
sure.
If
we
were
to
give
developer
a
lot
more
acreage,
he
would
build
smaller
shorter
units
like
everybody
wants,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
the
ncc
isn't
giving
away
land
yet
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
and
also
I've
been
speaking
a
lot
about
how
the
tenants
feel
about
this
and
I'd
like
to
like,
maybe
I'm
biased.
S
Maybe
I
have
something
to
gain
and
I'm
not
thinking
of
my
neighbors
but
based
on
my
understanding
of
the
new
op.
All
the
buildings
being
proposed
are
permitted.
They
would
require
some
zoning
changes
but
they're
permitted
under
the
op,
and
I
would
say
that
30
seconds,
okay,
I'd
say
that
this
plan
reduces
heights
dramatically
and
the
south
lines
not
so
much
because
there's
existing
high
rises,
but
more
specifically
north
portions
of
the
land.
The
op
allows
with
40
story
buildings
and
the
developer
has
reduced
that
height
to
nine.
S
I
think
that's
a
big
win
for
the
community.
It's
much
better
transition
for
single
family
homeowners
and
my
greatest
fear
is
that
the
land
is
sold
off
to
another
developer
and
then
I
get
evicted
with
no
real
compensation
for
that.
But
it's
also
my
best
retirement
plan,
because
if
it's
getting
sold,
I'm
gonna
buy
it,
and
I'm
gonna
come
to
this
committee
with
a
zoning
amendment
to
build
40
story
towers.
So
I
guess
that's
my
time.
So
if
there's
questions
I'm
happy
to
answer.
L
Just
wanted
to
ask
and
thank
you
for
your
for
your
presentation,
but
I
wanted
to
to
ask
or
maybe
encourage
you
to
get
involved
in
the
working
group.
I
think
that
the
working
group
around
the
cba
will
allow
for
there
to
be
this
continuing
dialogue
on
affordability,
which
is
what
I'm
really
excited
about
and
and
this
this
idea
that
we
would
have
a
community
benefits
agreement
that
would
allow
for
greater
participation
by
residents,
because
it
wasn't.
L
I
can
honestly
tell
you
for
a
lack
of
trying
in
terms
of
many
of
the
consultations
my
office
was
on
the
ground
for
also
the
community
benefits
agreement,
one
of
my
staff
members,
who's
monitoring,
the
the
call
can
attest.
We
went
out
on
the
coldest
weekend
this
winter
to
to
really
go
out
and
knock
on
doors
and
ask
for
more
inputs
from
from
tenants.
L
So
maybe
a
brief
question
is
I'm
just
curious
about
how
many
other
tenants
have
you
been
engaging
with
how
many
other
neighbors
have
you
also
been
engaging
with?
Who
who
share
your
your
your
perspective
and,
of
course
we
want
those
neighbors
engaged,
of
course,
in
a
cba
process.
If
this
file
is
is
approved
and
as
you
know,
I'm
I'm.
L
I
definitely
support
the
idea
of
the
mou
in
the
cba,
but
obviously
I've
been
listening
to
the
hundreds
of
residents
who
have
reached
out
to
me
saying
that
they
have
concerns
and
those
concerns
are
primarily
not
against
the
idea
of
intensification
but
the
scope
and
the
scale.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
that.
S
I
guess
most
of
the
residents
that
I
speak
with
have
a
bit
of
a
maybe
fatalistic
view
of
the
development
where
we're
tenants.
We
don't
have
the
same
amount
of
rights
and
it's
just
the
way
life
is.
It's
been
really
hard
to
convince
people
to
get
involved
and
even
write
letters
or
even
join
the
mpca
or
even
fill
out
the
mpca
survey
when
it
came
out,
which
is
a
bit
disappointing.
A
B
B
B
B
Regarding
the
official
plan
and
in
particular
what
is
happening
in
manor
park,
we
were
all
too
preoccupied
with
an
incredible
emergency
situation,
but
somehow,
in
the
midst
of
all
this,
which
perhaps
reflects
ottawa
city's
council's
outlook,
blatant
disregard
for
the
environment,
the
city
of
auto
approved
the
plans
for
otto's,
bmw,
dealership
and
hunt
club
road
to
pave
over
1.57
hectares
of
mature
pine
forest
or
a
parking
lot.
They
approve
this,
so
this
to
me
represents
city
council's
buyers
towards
development
and
willful
blindness
to
the
environmental
consequences
in
its
urban
planning.
B
The
risk
of
heat,
morbidity
and
mortality
increases,
as
the
uhi
effect
interacts
with
heat
waves
by
prolonging
and
intensifying
the
eye
effect.
You
just
have
to
drive
along
beach
short
avenue
towards
hemlock
avenue
and
there's
a
noticeable
decrease
in
the
temperature
in
the
summer
as
you
enter
as
you
drive
through
east
through
the
mature
tree
canopy.
B
B
In
march
19
2022
ottawa
citizen,
that
a
full-page
ad
for
homes
and
condo
builders
math,
which
details
of
95
developments
that
are
currently
in
process,
we
have
650
units
here,
many
townhouses.
Would
it
not
make
more
sense,
environmentally
and
for
affordability
to
convert
these
townhouses
to
individual
freehold
townhouses
such
as
done
on
cummings
avenue?
B
B
Q
Q
Q
L
L
That
was
mentioned,
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
also
point
out
that
we
have
heard-
or
my
office
did
hear
from
many
other
residents,
including
yourself
julie,
about
concerns
around
not
enough
green
space
and
the
retention
of
the
tree
canopy.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
record.
You
know
I'm
concerned
about
it.
That's
one
of
the
issues
that
I'm
raising
here.
The
community
association
had
been
concerned
about
it
and
we
literally
had
hundreds
of
people
as
well
reach
out
to
us.
L
So
your
your
concerns
are
definitely
shared
across
the
community
and
as
well
with
you
know,
I
can't
I
don't,
please
presume
to
speak
on
behalf
of
colleagues
as
well
around
this
table,
but
many
of
us
are
are
concerned
about
the
tree
canopy,
including
myself,
I
heard
from
one
resident
who
was
so
concerned
that
they
they
used
an
analogy.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
apt.
They
said
you
know
we
we
live
in
manor
park,
not
toronto's
thorncliffe
park.
L
We
we
want
to
see
the
the
the
maintenance
of
of
the
greet
of
the
tree
canopy
within
within
our
communities,
because
that's
what
defines
manor
park
the
the
concept
of
a
community
actually
being
in
a
park-like
setting,
so
we
just
want
you
to
just
to
reassure
you
that
many
of
the
residents
and
the
community
association
and
others
do
share
your
concerns.
Thank
you,
chair.
Q
I
I
So
this
is
just
an
image
done
with
the
proposed
building
heights
and
the
existing
building
heights.
So
the
proposed
building
heights
were
recommended
by
the
city
staff,
because
the
zoning
across
the
street
on
brittany
drive
allows
for
high
buildings,
but
there's
there's
a
difference
between
what
is
built
there
now,
which
is
between
11
and
13
stories,
to
what
is
allowed
up
of
30
up
to
30
on
what
is
being
proposed.
I
I
Next
slide,
please,
so
this
is
on
another
neighboring
property.
So
this
is
the
2008
omb
ruling
for
a
thousand
and
two
karen
way
and
what
they
said
in
that
ruling
was
that
around
the
mature
neighborhood
there
should
be
a
62
meter
setback
before
any
sort
of
mid
or
high-rise
buildings
are
built
and
that
they
would
only
allow
three-story
town
homes
to
permit
it.
I
I
Please
note
that
the
16
story,
building
on
sort
of
the
south
east
side
of
closer
to
montreal
road,
you
can
see
a
little
bit
and
that's
only
16
stories
and
it's
down
the
hill
and
what's
being
proposed
between
there
and
the
neighborhood,
are
20
25,
30
story
buildings,
so
they're
going
to
loom
up-
and
this
is
all
south
of
the
existing
neighborhood
and
it's
on
it's
almost
like
southeast.
So
it's
the
majority
of
sunlight
that
comes
over
to
our
neighborhood.
I
I
I
L
Thank
you
chair
and
I
do
have
a
question
for
sean
around.
I
guess
insensitive
transitions,
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
describe
that
a
little
bit
more
the
impacts,
because
I
know,
as
we
were,
undertaking
this
consultation
process.
I
I
went
on
walk
arounds
with
community
members,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
give
a
little
bit
more
insight
about
those
those
transitions.
I
I
It's
better
for
the
environment.
I
mean
there's
just
a
bunch
of
reasons
why
we
shouldn't
really
be
building
that
tall,
but
yeah
it's
going
to
have
some
really
big
impacts.
Those
high
buildings,
like
25
stories
on
the
corner
of
sync
or
on
britney
in
particular
that
corner
already
is
somewhat
unwalkable
during
the
winter
months,
just
because
of
wind
gusts,
it's
unpleasant,
like
walking
just
walking
down
sailor
on
towards
montreal
is
a
very
unpleasant
walk.
I
L
I
appreciate
those
insights
and
I
also
appreciated
the
insights
that
you
provided
in
your
written
comments
where
you
were
talking
about
some
of
the
inconsistencies
in
the
policy.
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
discuss
that
a
bit.
I
thought
that
that
was
very
interesting,
that
you
were
pointing
out.
Some
inconsistencies.
I
I
Under
say,
like
we'll,
take
the
official
plan
like
under
4.11
of
the
new
official
plan
right
they
talk
about
the
scale
of
neighborhoods
and
individual
properties
and
the
issues
around
noise
spill
over
light
parking
access,
shadowing
micro,
climate.
All
these
conditions
are
talked
about
to
through
the
context
of
scale
and
how
to
scale
down
and
towards
existing
neighborhoods
and
how
not
to
impact
existing
neighborhoods,
and
I
feel
that
was
sort
of
ignored
during
this
planning
process.
I
L
Well,
I
I
appreciated
your
your
insights,
especially
around
the
existing
official
plan
and
looking
at
consistency
of
policy,
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
I
will
ask
staff
questions
around
that
when
we
have
the
opportunity.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
your
input
and
your
very
insightful
written
comments
as
well.
Thank
you,
chair.
Q
J
B
J
J
Today,
though,
I'm
gonna
take
my
residence
cap
off
and
I'm
gonna
put.
My
professional
cap
on
a
good
portion
of
my
career
was
spent
developing
billions
of
dollars
of
proposals
for
the
federal
cabinet.
I
know
the
difficulties
political
economic
concerns.
I
also
know
the
importance
of
a
comprehensive
global
picture
when
trying
to
decide
which
way
to
move
I've
participated
over
the
past
year
in
all
of
the
city
consultations
that
were
presented
to
us
on
this
issue.
J
J
We
have
been
concerned
about
the
impact
on
manor
park,
public
school,
which
has
been
basically
a
first,
our
one-story
building
ever
since
I
came
around
with
the
exception
of
a
library
that
building
given
the
600
percent
increase
projected
in
in
population,
video
only
has
one
way
to
go
and
that's
up.
Otherwise.
We
look
at
green
space,
which
is
limited.
J
Those
are
only
three
of
many
broad
global
considerations
that
I
believe
need
to
be
factored
into
this
decision
before
moving
forward.
There's
also
some
inconsistencies
and
I
don't
want
to
nitpick
that
doesn't
serve
anything
but
here's
an
example
which
causes
some
concern,
and
that's
around
this
notion
of
consistency.
J
J
J
You
are
in
a
privileged
position
to
make
a
decision
that
will
have
generational
impacts,
social
impacts,
economic
impacts,
environmental
impacts.
This
is
not
a
10
or
20
year
plan.
This
will
be
generational
in
nature.
I
truly
believe
you
need
a
broader
picture
to
be
able
to
make
the
right
decisions
for
the
community
and
for
the
city
of
ottawa
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
I
I
just
wish
you
well,
and
I
hope
you
can
find
some
reason
from
all
of
this
and
all
the
discussions
today
to
perhaps
hit
the
pause
button.
J
L
In
a
sense,
this
is
a
long-ranging
plan,
you're,
absolutely
right
that
it
will
be
generational,
and
we
have
heard
consistently
from
many
residents
over
500,
in
fact
of
the
concerns
around
green
space
around
traffic
around
schools,
everything
that
you've
been
mentioning
we've
we've
received
in
in
terms
of
concerns
and
those
have
been
informed-
concerns
not
people
who've
just
been
pushing
against
intensification
for
the
you
know
to
to
do
that.
I
don't
really
believe
that
this
is
nimbyism.
L
L
If
you
know
we're
not
talking,
I
I
don't
think
we'd
be
talking
about
years
here
or
a
year,
but
just
a
more
consultation
on
these
key
items
that
we've
been
hearing
from
many
residents,
so
that
we
can
get
closer
to
a
more
appropriate
solution
for
the
community,
more
appropriate
design
for
the
community.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
reassure
you
that
you
know
we're
we're
listening
and
as
your
representative,
we
want.
I
want
to
reflect
those
concerns.
B
J
J
While
look
looking
good
on
paper
really
never
panned
out,
there
was
never
really
a
true
sharing
of
information.
From
my
humble
opinion,
I'm
not
trying
to
downplay
what
occurred,
but
I
don't
believe
sufficient
information
was
transparent
in
those
consultations
it
at
times
felt
like
a
bit
of
a
well
we've
got
to
check
this
box
off
when
we
as
a
community
spoke
about
issues
such
as
the
gateway
to
the
gateway
building
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
J
J
Q
A
C
Oh
good
good
afternoon,
I'm
I'm
standing
between
you
and
lunch,
but
I'll
try
and
keep
it
to
the
point
you
have
my
presentation.
Actually,
the
very
first
slide
is
incorrect.
It's
a
I'm,
a
member
of
the
committee
for
the
community
benefits
agreement,
which
the
committee
just
had
its
first
meeting.
We
are,
it's
still
pretty
vague
and
what
it's
going
to
accomplish,
but
it
is
important
to
make
sure
that
that
that
agreement
is
actually
in
conjunction
with
this
development
and
that
the
committee
continues
to
meet
and
give
feedback
to
the
city.
C
It
is
important.
You've
already
heard
from
other
speakers
about
the
importance,
the
the
in
order
to
keep
my
standpoint
here
is
I'm
an
adjunct,
professor
of
hematology
oncology
at
the
ottawa
hospital.
I've
been
working
there
for
28
years
now
retired,
but
I
have
a
big
interest
in
environmental
health
and
the
effect
of
toxins
on
public
health,
and
I
will
speak
from
that
point
of
view
today.
C
I'm
also
a
matter
of
park
resident
I've
been
living
here
since
1990
1990,
I'm
really
worried
about
the
resulted
increase
and
and
high
the
high
population.
In
this
area
that
we
really
need
to
adopt
the
high
performance
development
standards
that
you've
already
heard
about,
we
there's
no
plan
currently
for
traffic
diversion
away
from
areas
of
current
housing
and
I'll
point
out
why
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
mandate
for
ev
charging
stations
for
future
residents.
C
If
we
want
to
keep
this
area
green
because
that's
where
ontario's
going
that's
where
the
rest
of
the
country
is
going
and
that
has
to
be
incorporated
into
the
plan,
we
need
to
adopt
standards
of
sustainable,
environmentally
friendly
building
materials.
That
has
to
be
part
of
the
plan,
and
there
has
to
be
a
plan
for
traffic
mitigation
and
free
public
transit.
Where
is
in
cities
where
there
has
been
densification?
C
Actually,
you
have
been
able
to
decrease
that
they
have
been
able
to
decrease
pollution
as
long
as
they
have
the
infrastructure
in
place
right
now
on
the
water
ridge
development,
for
instance,
they've,
actually
stopped
the
busing
to
that
area,
which
is
already
continuing
to
expand.
We
can't
go
ahead
with
this
development
without
this,
the
infrastructure
in
place
next
slide.
Please.
C
So
one
of
the
organizations
which
has
been
doing
research
all
across
the
country
is
the
canadian
urban
environmental
health
research
consortium.
It's
a
canadian
institute
for
health
research
funded
unit
consortium
with
over
20
million
dollars
of
funding.
They
actually
track
what
happens
to
when
you
get
decreased
greenness
what
happens
with
the
cor
the
correlations
between
air
pollution,
greenness,
walkability
and
health
and
I'll
point
out
that
there
are
multiple
studies
that
increase
that
there's
increase
of
breast
cancer
with
increase
in
air
pollution.
C
C
In
addition,
the
air
pollution
that
is
result
of
the
increased
traffic
leads
to
increase
lung
cancer.
The
second
leading
cause
of
cancer
death
in
men
and
women.
The
there's
also
a
resulting
decrease
in
the
effect
on
mental
health,
especially
amongst
middle
aged
and
older
adults,
and
higher
levels
of
greenness
may
confer
abandonments.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
the
greenness
is
maintained
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second
and
also
leads
to
benefits
in
substance
use
tendencies
among
youth.
The
increase
in
air
pollution
is
also
associated
with
increasing
coma
next
slide.
Please.
C
C
That's
really
important
to
keep
in
point,
so
the
evidence
exists
for
lower
birth
weights,
pre-term
births
association
with
increase
in
air
pollution,
there's
also
an
increase
in
diabetes,
extreme
heart
disease,
stroke
with
increased
air
pollution.
A
big
concern
for
this
massive
development
next
slide.
Please.
C
Is
there
really
a
vision
for
development
capacity
for
the
community
take
into
account
the
schooling
you've
heard
about
that
from
other
speakers?
The
health
services,
the
sewage,
the
food
vendors,
the
recreational
facilities,
bike
lanes,
which
right
now
are
almost
non-existent
public
transport,
which
really
needs
to
be
maintained
and
upped
in
order
to
keep
in
so
that
we
can
actually
have
public
transport
that
that
actually
can
support
the
increased
population.
C
I
do
mention
that
the
roof
pitches
on
the
development
should
actually
be
optimized
for
solar
array.
Solar
panel
array,
new
panels
should
be
put
in
place
so
that
we
have
pre-wiring
for
electric
vehicles.
I
mentioned
that
toronto
is
way
ahead
of
us.
They've
already
put
into
place
a
whole
system
for
maintaining
greenness
and
walkability,
and
I
just
heard
a
talk
a
couple
of
days
ago
from
david
miller
on
how
they've
actually
been
able
to
accomplish
that.
We
need
to
actually
link
with
their
plan
and
actually
try
and
follow
what
they've
been
doing.
C
They've
actually
saved
on
cost
in
the
city.
By
able
to
follow
a
certain,
the
c-40
city
plan,
we
need
to
actually
adopt
their
plan.
So
that's
something
for
us
to
consider
before
approving
this.
The
this
proposal
before
you
next
slide.
Please
all
the
comments
by
the
way
that
I'm
making
apply
to
any
development
anywhere
across
the
city,
not
just
this
one.
C
The
current
scope
of
the
mou
focuses
on
no
displacement
and
affordable
housing,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
that
that
until
such
time
as
the
mmu
is
executed
by
the
owner,
but
before
we
go
ahead
with
the
mou
or
before
we
go
ahead
and
approve
this,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
coming
phases
of
development
review
building
health
heights.
As
you've
already
heard
today,
I
have
neighbors
across
the
street
that
are
worried
that
they're
shading
there's
going
to
be
there's
going
to
be
housing,
that's
actually
going
to
block
their
view
and
their
privacy.
C
There's
plans
for
increased
traffic
need
to
become
part
of
the
application
prior
to
approval.
The
city
needs
to
plan
for
improved
public
transit
support,
the
cycling
paths
and
the
tree
canopy
needs
to
be
ensured
to
be
kept
at
40
percent,
with
sustainable
local
growth
and
maintained,
in
other
words,
what
I've
seen
I've
seen,
trees
being
planted
and
then
not
watered,
not
maintained
before
you
know
what
the
city,
if
we
want,
need
to
maintain
that
greenness,
we
need
to
maintain
those
trees.
C
So
I
would
just
focus
on
the
we
need
to
track
the
health
effects
of
development
as
it
goes
forward
and
there's
a
way
that
we
can
do
that.
I
can
discuss
that
with
city
staff
because
I
mentioned
canoe
and
they
can
track
it,
but
we
need
to
track
it
and
then
see
what's
the
effect
of
this
development
as
it
goes
forward.
M
M
M
C
I
think
the
effect
on
people's
health
in
the
community,
not
only
in
the
new
units
but
in
the
surrounding
units.
The
effect
on
health
has
to
be
part
of
that
cba
and
how
we
can
optimize.
Those
benefits
to
the
entire
community
and
and
people
need
to
be
made
aware
of
the
possible
effects
on
their
health.
C
If
we
don't
do
it
right,
so
that's
I'm
not
saying
there.
This
development
should
never
go
forward,
but
it
has
to
go
forward
as
long
as
the
infrastructure
is
in
place,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
all
of
that
has
to
be
there
and
the
tracking
of
the
health
outcomes
has
to
be
part
of
that.
You
have
part
of
the
cba
because
I
would
say
the
majority
people
do
have
no
idea
what
the
effect
of
this
expansion
would
be
on
their
health,
and
that
goes
for
any
development
across
the
city.
M
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
will
follow
up
with
staff
on
the
process
question,
because
there
is
a
process
question
there
around
the
mou,
the
cba.
I
appreciate
your
your
presentation
and
for
taking
in
the
event
that
councilor
moffat-
and
I
were
at
the
other
day
with
david
miller-
appreciate
you,
you
being
there
as
well.
L
Thank
you
richard
for
your
presentation
and
for
making
points,
especially
around
the
the
tree
canopy,
as
well
as
having
effective
public
transit,
which
I
think
is
an
important
consideration
as
well.
We've
heard
that
very
clearly
from
other
residents
and
the
community
association
that
all
these
elements
need
to
be
looked
at
holistically
and
I'm
also
pleased
that
you're
you're
participating
with
the
working
group
on
the
cba
to
really
advance
some
of
these
public
health
concerns,
which
I
think
is
a
unique
element
of
a
cba.
L
If
this
this
proposal
before
the
committee
is,
is
approved,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
have
that
continuing
dialogue,
and
I
know
that
my
colleague
council
menard,
said
you
know
he's
going
to
ask
questions
about
the
feasibility
of
these
topics
being
examined
by
in
the
cba
process.
But
of
course
that
was
our
hope.
I
think
the
hope
of
the
community
in
terms
of
the
introduction
of
this
type
of
process,
that
we
can
have
this
continuing
dialogue.
L
C
L
Obviously
one
of
the
key
historic
characteristics
of
manor
park
is
a
richer
green,
richer
tree
canopy,
along
with
green
space,
and
we've
heard
very
clearly
that
residents
want
that
to
be
maintained
and
that
this
development
might
pose
a
serious
challenge
to
that.
That
tree
can't
be
so.
I
do
appreciate
your
your
deputation
and
your
comments
here
today.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
C
Right
now,
the
sidewalks
we
need
more
in
the
way
of
sidewalks.
We
need
more
in
the
way
of
greenness
like
right.
Now,
it's
not,
as
someone
else
has
already
pointed
out
in
terms
of
of
the
shadowing
and
the
wind
tunnels
on
the
streets.
This
this
whole
area
really
needs
more
in
the
way
of
sustainability.
C
In
terms
of
I
mentioned
out,
I
mentioned
some
of
the
things
that
need
to
make
this
area
green,
but
to
not
only
plant
the
trees
to
maintain
them
and
to
make
sure
that
the
tree
canopy
that
we
have
is
not
overshadowed
by
large
buildings.
That's
my
biggest
concern
and
the
concern
of
many
of
my
neighbors
actually.
A
Do
you
think,
over
50
years,
up
to
4
000
new
new
homes
would
that
increase
the
viability
of
shops
and
services
increased
demand
for
transit
could
could
lead
to
increased
transit
service
in
the
area?
Is?
Do
you
see
a
correlation
between
that,
like
perhaps
the
low
density
of
manor
park?
Now
is
just
not
enough
of
a
critical
mass
to
support
a
lot
of
these
amenities
that
you
mentioned
earlier?
That
would
contribute
to
the
sustainability
and
walkability
in
the
neighborhood.
A
C
H
I
will
get
started.
I
guess
my
name
is
francesca
ryan.
Thanks
to
elizabeth,
the
former
mpca
chair.
If
you're
still
listening
for
shouting
out
my
my
dad
ted
for
leading
the
hockey
reach
out
program
that
she
mentioned,
I
grew
up
in
manor
park.
I
attended
manor
park
public
school,
it's
right
across
the
street
from
where
I
now
live
on
bremar
street.
H
I
recently
moved
back
to
the
neighborhood
from
montreal
after
completing
my
degree,
so
I
don't
have
too
much
of
an
informed
perspective
as
far
as
city
planning
technicalities
go,
but
I've
lived
here
for
a
really
long
time.
I
grew
up
here
what
I
loved
about
it
as
a
kid
was
how
much
green
space
was
around
a
bit
being
able
to
run
around
in
freedom
and
safety
with
other
kids
around
so
yeah.
H
I've
only
lived
here
as
an
adult
since
last
july,
but
as
an
adult,
I
have
a
new
perspective
on
not
only
what's
great
about
the
neighborhood,
but
how
it
could
be
made
more
livable
for
more
people
to
enjoy
largely
I'm
in
favor
of
this
proposal.
I'm
not
opposed
to
intensification
I'll.
Just
go
over
a
couple
of
sticking
points
that
are
important
to
me
as
a
tenant
number
one.
H
I'm
really
lucky
that
my
parents
live
nearby
and
I
can
borrow
a
car
for
the
odd
errand,
but
otherwise,
when
they're
not
around
or
it's
middle
of
winter,
I
have
to
walk
25
minutes
to
get
to
the
closest
essential
service,
whether
it
be
groceries
pharmacy.
Anything
like
that,
so
my
biggest
priority
for
this
development
is
definitely
transit.
H
So
simply
allocating
retail
space,
as
we've
said,
doesn't
guarantee
that
those
businesses
will
benefit
all
of
us,
as
opposed
to
say
fast,
food
which
is
not
necessarily
beneficial
to
the
residents
or
high-end
cafes
or
restaurants,
that
only
the
more
wealthy
residents
will
be
able
to
afford.
With
the
sizes
of
the
retail
space
that
I
was
seeing
on
the
plan,
it
didn't
look
like
there
was
space
for
like
a
grocery
store,
necessarily,
which
is
what
I
would
mostly
be
looking
for.
H
H
I
would
like
to
see
more
in
terms
of
park
space
as
we've
discussed,
the
school
land
isn't
necessarily
guaranteed
to
always
be
there,
and
I
used
that
a
lot
when
I
was
a
kid,
so
I
would
like
to
see
more
park
space
available
and
yeah.
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
there's,
affordable
housing
accounted
for
in
this
plan.
Given
the
housing
crisis,
this
looks
like
more
like
what
we
need
as
a
young
person
who's.
H
Maybe
thinking
about
starting
a
family
in
the
next
10
years,
or
so
I
don't
see
me
or
my
partner
being
able
to
afford
a
house
anywhere
near
the
center
or
a
condo,
or
anything
like
that
anywhere
near
the
center
of
the
city
in
the
next
10
years,
let
alone
the
next
20..
So
I
see
myself
as
a
renter
in
the
long
term
and
I
don't
want
to
leave
the
center
of
the
city
so
as
much
as
can
be
done
to
make
this
space
affordable
and
livable
for
people
like
me
and
my
partner.
K
H
H
I
actually
came
from
montreal
where
that
service
is
also
implemented,
but
in
montreal
they
can
do
it
better
so
that
you
can
take
car
from
point
a
to
point
b
and
leave
it
at
point
b,
whereas
here
you
have
to
return
the
car
to
the
same
place
that
you
rented
it
at.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
cost
prohibitive.
In
terms
of.
If
I
want
to
go
to
say
ikea,
I
probably
need
to
rent
the
car
for
like
two
hours,
which
will
run
you
like
forty
fifty
dollars.
K
Yeah,
I'm
just
thinking
about
your
your
grocery
with
no
car.
The
the
density
that
is
being
proposed
at
this
site
will
imply
inevitably
transit
improvements.
Transit
is
one
of
those
things
that
follows.
Density.
San
iron
will
eventually
become
a
transit
transit
priority.
The
number
of
bus
routes
that
serve
the
neighborhood
will
increase
the
number
the
frequency
will.
K
Increase
density
drives
transit
improvements
unless
you're
in
councillor
dudas's
ward,
in
which
case
population
doesn't
necessarily,
but
it
will
take
a
long
time
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
slow
build
out
for
those
transit
improvements
to
happen,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
see
how
this
development
could
be
made.
More
compelling
for
people
who
don't
have
cars
and
and
shared
auto
is
is
probably
one
of
those
that
might
be
able
to
help.
But
I
appreciate
the
insight
with
respect
to
the
pricing.
H
K
L
King
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
francesca
for
really
emphasizing
the
the
nature
and
the
quality
of
life
that
is
in
our
community
of
manor
park.
I
really
do
appreciate
you
bringing
that
out.
This
is
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
counselor
leeper's
questions
around
the
transportation
options.
What
would
improve
your
your
transit
experience
now?
What
is
necessary
now
for
you
to
to
really
facilitate
you
being
able
to
get
those
those
groceries.
H
Yeah,
so
I
mean
aside
from
groceries,
a
big
problem
is
how
far
away
we
are
from
the
lrt
so
say
I
want
to
go
to
the
zero
waste
grocery
store
to
refill
on
bulk
items.
I
need
to
go
all
the
way
to
main
street,
which
is
in
the
car.
It's
15
minutes
it's
very
doable
on
a
bus
and
then
the
lrt
it's
40
minutes,
but
the
seven
either
comes
it
can
come
10
minutes
early
or
it
can
come
15
minutes
late.
So
you
have
to
get
to
the
bus.
H
L
Absolutely
I
agree
with
you
that
we
need
to
really
pursue
greater
efficiency
in
terms
of
schedules
and
also
you
know-
we've
been
advocating
hard,
especially
around
waterage
village
and
I'm
hoping
to
see
a
level
of
tie-in
to
future
communities
as
well
for
more
frequent
service
as
well
as
service,
ultimately
quick
service
to
blair,
lrt.
So
we're
going
to
continue
to
advocate
for
that.
But
we
understand
those
challenges
that
that
you're,
seeing
and
and
obviously
any
part
of
this
development
has
to
really
ensure
that
there
is
improvement
in
terms
of
transit
accessibility.
L
A
J
Yeah,
I'm
working
on
that.
Thank
you.
I
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
and
the
committee
for
having
me
just
bear
with
me.
First
time
I've
talked
in
a
while.
Thank
you
very
much.
As
I
say,
I'm
here
not
as
a
member
of
the
specific
community
I
live
in
ottawa.
I
live
in
the
byward
market.
In
fact,
there
was
a
picture
showing
a
little
while
ago.
J
J
I'm
here
representing
myself,
I
suppose,
as
a
citizen
of
ottawa,
but
like
like
rob
james
I'd
like
to
sort
of
put
on
my
kind
of
professional
hat,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
my
career
in
the
last
25
years,
working
in
smart
cities
or
what
we
now
call
smart
cities
and,
as
you
may
be
aware,
ottawa
has
a
smart
city
plan.
It's
currently
ottawa
2.0,
but
it's
also
being
updated.
It's
a
small
team
in
the
city
of
ottawa's
administration.
That's
updating
this
plan.
J
Now,
when
they
have
a
chance,
because
they've
been
also
involved
in
the
pandemic
due
to
a
shortage
of
staff,
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
bring
a
slightly
different
perspective
to
this
consultation
process,
and
I
know
I'm
arriving
kind
of
late.
You've
been
doing
this
for
a
while.
It's
all
a
result
of
a
presentation.
J
J
Q
J
Q
J
Well,
this
is
these:
are
the
questions
and
you
can
direct
them
as
appropriate,
then
are
any
of
the
plans
involving
in
the
new
construction,
smart
buildings.
This,
I
think,
is
where
there's
a
great
opportunity,
perhaps
working
with
the
constructors,
to
migrate
towards
smart,
smart
building,
smart
communities.
I've
heard
various
discussions.
C40
was
mentioned:
sustainability,
15-minute
community.
These
are
all
aspects
of
smart
cities
very
much
so,
and
certainly
the
buildings
themselves
becoming
integrated
within
information
and
communications
technologies.
J
So
it
is
in
that
context
that
I
asked
that
question
about
whether
there's
any
use
in
planning
here,
which
involves
smart
buildings
and
that's
the
third
side
of
the
question
is:
will
there
be
any
further
opportunity
to
update
the
manor
park
planning,
as
has
been
discussed
to
this
point?
I
hear
some
discussion
now
about
proposals
to
delay
this
maybe
up
to
a
year.
J
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
possibly
reassess
this
planning
with
respect
to
the
smart,
smart
city
concepts
that
ottawa
is
already
developing
in
its
smart
city
plan,
which
I
know
is
not
part
of
the
master
plan
yet,
but
it
will
no
doubt
be
coming
forward.
Thank
you.
That's
my
question.
L
Just
actually
a
brief
comment,
I
just
think
of
my
former
life,
which
wasn't
too
long
ago,
where
I
worked
as
a
communications
director
and
and
also
in
market
research,
around
smart
buildings
technologies
for
a
trade
organization
and
for
20
years
we
had
been
advocating
and
also
evangelizing.
Actually,
my
colleagues
might
not
know
this,
but
I
circumnavigated
the
globe
multiple
times
talking
in
all
of
our
favorite
places.
L
And,
of
course
I,
in
my
estimation,
the
smart
building
component
is
directly
tied
to
sustainability.
Often
smart
buildings
are
defined
by
the
fact
that
they
increase
efficiencies,
multiple
fold
and
obviously
that's
what
we
need
to
to
address
a
climate
emergency.
So
while
I
might
not
pose
these
questions
to
staff
because
they're,
not
I
don't
think
directly,
you
know
concerned
around
these
specific
planning
merits.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that.
Q
Yeah,
and
actually
just
just
to
build
on
what
what
counselor
king
was
touching
on
just
look
in
the
last
few
months
and
we
approved
the
better
buildings
ottawa
strategy
in
that
we
we
did
make
requests
to
the
province,
for
you
know,
updates
to
the
building
code
for
the
province
as
to
how
you
know
we
build
buildings
in
the
future,
we're
doing
that
even
more
so
with
the
high
performance
development
standards
currently
being
debated
around
a
committee
and
council.
So
there's
a
lot
more.
I
mean
this
is
just
an
official
plan
amendment.
Q
This
is
not
a
building
application.
This
is,
we
are
not
approving
anything
to
be
built
today.
There's
still
a
lot
of
process
left
and
this
plan
before
us
is
a
plan,
that's
going
to
stretch
out
40
to
50
years,
so
we
know,
policies
are
going
to
evolve
and
the
city
is
going
to
continue
to
push
for
better
for
better
policies
from
a
smart
city's
perspective,
but
also
from
a
from
a
greener
buildings
and
sustainability
perspective.
As
as
much
as
counselor
king
was
referencing.
Q
J
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
discuss
this.
I
just
wanted
to
flag
this
because
I
was,
as
I
said,
I
was
laid
into
it
and
at
least
I
hadn't
heard
anything
about
the
smart
city
side.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
maybe
this
might
be
something
that
could
be
considered
either
by
the
committee
or
by
the
builder.
If
it
gets,
you
know,
communicated
in
that
way.
Q
J
A
E
B
B
Okay,
I'm
a
biologist,
I'm
retired,
from
the
federal
government
after
30
some
odd
years
of
work
as
a
biologist
and
a
senior
manager.
Like
many
who
spoke
today.
I
believe
that
this
level
of
den
densification
and
height
of
buildings
is
poor
planning
and
should
be
sent
back
for
another
think
and
redesign,
in
other
words
defer
for
a
bit.
B
B
When
we
began
monitoring
jimmy
swift
occupancy
in
2016,
we
recorded
eight
occupied
and
uncapped
chimneys
with
many
already
capped
chimneys
at
last
count
in
2019
we
had
a
colbit
problem.
As
you
may
know,
the
number
of
occupied
chimneys
had
fallen
to
five
and
more
chimneys
had
been
capped,
possibly
indicating
a
conversion
to
high
efficiency
heating
overall
chimney.
Swift
numbers
in
canada
have
fallen
by
70
percent
and
the
overall
species
is
listed
as
threatened
by
both
federal
and
provincial
legislation.
B
This
means
it's
likely
to
become
endangered
if
steps
are
not
taken
to
address
factors
threatening
it.
Now,
all
of
the
brick
chimneys
have
been
covered
with
wire
mesh
cages.
The
chimney
swifts
are
included,
excluded
from
their
nesting
habitat,
and
this
is
a
factor
that
threatens
the
species
survival.
B
B
B
L
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
I
do
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do
in
terms
of
really
advancing
environmental
concerns
in
our
ward
and
also,
you
know
doing
work
to
ensure
that
invasive
species
that
that
are
are
really
within
city-owned
lands
are
addressed.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
that.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
bringing
up
environmental
concerns
concerns
that
I
think
we've
heard
from
residents
around
the
maintenance
of
green
space
in
the
tree
canopy.
L
B
B
There
are
plans
available
to
you,
can
attach
structures
to
existing
or
new
buildings
and
they
will
attract
and
serve
as
a
nesting
habitat
for
birds
like
chimney.
Swifts,
there
are
other
locations
in
the
area,
notably
the
the
terrafox
center.
That
has
been
discussed.
A
chimney.
Swift
nesting
tower
could
be
built
there,
either
as
a
single
unit
or
attached
to
the
building,
and
there
are
people
in
water
ridge
who
would
like
to
work
with
me
or
anybody
else
who
has
money
to
attach
a
chimney.
B
L
I
appreciate
that
answer
and
I
really
appreciate,
as
I
said,
the
efforts
that
you
make
to
to
really
improve
the
environment
and
the
the
quality
of
life,
and
I
think
that
these
are
continuing
discussions
that
that
we
can
have
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
cba
and
discussions
around
sustainability,
because
the
cba
ultimately
deals
with
the
idea
that
we
can
look
at
sustainability
and
environmental
concerns,
as
as
part
of,
in
the
sense,
the
legacy
of
a
project.
If
it
is
approved.
L
You
know
we
know
and
you've
done
good
work,
really
emphasizing
the
fact
that
we
have
over
178
species
of
migratory
birds
in
the
flight
path
over
over
manor
park,
and
so
my
hope
is
that
the
cba
could
serve
as
a
mechanism
to
talk
about
mitigation
measures
in
terms
of
negative
impacts
on
wildlife.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
you
raising
this.
You
know
this.
L
This
challenge
that
that
we're
that
we're
facing
both
currently
and
potentially
with
the
plan-
that's
before
us,
but
I
I'm
really
gratified
in
the
fact
that
there
could
be
mechanisms
substantive
mechanisms
to
address
these.
These
challenges
in
the
future.
But
thank
you
so
much
for
your
for
your
deportation.
Much
appreciated,
because
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
don't
often
talk
about,
and
we
should
talk
about
it
more.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
iowa
for
your
presentation
and
raising
that
concern.
I'm
seeing
no
more
questions.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us.
We're
going
to
move
now
from
delegations
to
questions
for
the
applicant.
So
we've
had
the
presentation
from
the
applicant
already
I'll
just
give
kelly
and
the
clerk's
team
a
chance
to
bring
them
into
the
into
the
room
here
and
I'll
look
for
any
hands
for
committee
members
who
may
have
questions
for
the
applicant.
A
K
K
Is
there
a
possibility,
and-
and
you
know
this
may
be
something
I
want
to
talk
more
about
with
counselor
king
things
like
outdoor
pools?
Are
you
know
we
just
don't
see
those
built?
The
city
has
stopped
building
them.
The
nearest
pool
for
the
families
who
are
going
to
live
in
these
developments
is
at
some
distance.
How
are
the
recreation
needs
going
to
be
met,
and
would
you
consider
ensuring
that
there
are
things
like
pools
in
the
neighborhood.
G
Yeah
sure
right,
like
everything
everything's
on
the
table
first
off
thanks
for
you
know
for
everyone
for
spending
four
hours
today
on
this
you
know
and
for
interacting
with
with
the
entire
team
right
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
then
to
the
community
for
the
last
really
six
years
of
consultation,
but
yeah
accounts
for
libra.
You
know
pools
absolutely
right
and
I
think
this
is
where
we
haven't
even
started
designing
right.
G
So
this
is
where
you
know,
there's
there's
so
many
examples
globally
of
where
pools
can
be
within
within
podiums
within
you
know,
schools
can
be
within
podiums.
You
see
that
all
across
canada
so
pools
absolutely
right.
You
know,
that's
certainly
an
option
you
know
without
getting
too
far
ahead.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
mention
about
the
terry
fox
center
right
here.
Here's
here's,
a
commitment
that
we've
made
to
manor
park
right
before
an
opa.
G
You
know
an
opportunity
came
and
really
at
the
counselors,
urging
at
the
mpcas
urging
we
pursued
it.
You
know
it's
right
now:
a
20
000
square
foot
facility,
that's
vacant,
there's
three
acres
of
space.
There
we've
had
conversations
with
mr
sheny
from
the
city,
you
know
so
we're
you
know
we're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
So
absolutely
you
know
pools
yeah.
How
do
we
do
it?
I
think
this
becomes
one
of
those.
G
G
K
Yeah
it's
well
when
I
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
subdivisions
that
I
grew
up
in
you
know
some
of
the
minto
used
to
build
pools
into
its
townhomes
developments,
outdoor
pools
and-
and
you
know
that
was
a
really
welcome
opportunity
for
particularly
youth
to
cool
off
in
the
summer.
You
know,
I
think
we
do
need
to
find
a
way.
I
do
agree,
though.
K
I
think-
and
I
I
don't
want
to
get
known
as
the
pool
counselor,
but
as
our
climate
gets
hotter
and
hotter
and
hotter
those
are
going
to
become
more
and
more
important
amenities
and
we're
not
building
pools
at
the
city
anymore,
and
if
mr
cheney
is
listening,
I
hope
you're
taking
that
into
consideration.
When
you're
charging
mr
agarwal
development
charges
moving
forward,
we
need
to
collect
that
miguel.
R
Well,
I
just
I
wanted
to
respond
to
counselor
pool's
comment
just
just
and
supplement,
maybe
a
little
bit
of
of
lilith's
answer.
I
don't
want
to
leave
this
committee
with
the
impression
that
we're
not
providing
our
fair
share
of
public
infrastructure.
A
lot
of
the
open
space
right
now
is
actually
through
internal
courtyards
within
the
townhouse
blocks
that
are
also
populated
by
internal
parking
courts.
R
Those
are
going
to
be
replaced
over
time
by
two
new
municipal
parks
that,
despite
some
of
the
comments
you
heard
today
fully
meet
and
exceed
the
city's
parkland
requirements,
those
will
be
supplemented
by
private
parks
through
the
development
blocks
as
well,
and
the
master
plan
actually
already
identifies
those
areas.
You
also
heard
from
mr
bolduc
and
mr
mcrae
that
there's
almost
20
000
square
feet
of
communal
space,
that's
being
provided
through
potential
daycare
space
community
rooms,
the
community
garden,
that's
above
and
beyond
the
space
that
lilith
was
talking
about.
R
That's
that
was
a
separate
initiative
on
his
part
and
then,
lastly-
and
you
touched
on
it-
was
that
that's
what
development
charges
are
right.
There
they're
payments
in
lieu
of
and
to
go
towards
public
infrastructure,
and,
and
that's
where
the
partnership
comes
with
parks
like
we.
We
as
part
of
this
analysis-
and
this
is
probably
the
most
sophisticated
master
plan
that
we've
had
the
privilege
of
working
on
it
started
with
a
detailed
inventory
of
existing
park
lands
in
the
neighborhood
and
exactly
what
the
what
those
parts
include
in
terms
of
facilities
very
comprehensive.
R
We
worked
with
the
parks
department
to
identify
gaps
and
things
like
that,
and
there
are
gaps.
There
are
parks
here
that
may
be
well
suited
for
investment
as
a
result
of
those
development
charges
and
who
better
of
a
partner
than
than
the
agrawal
family
on
that
and
working
with
the
city's
parks
department.
So
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
Oh
it's.
K
It's
a
critical
discussion
around
development
charges
in
in
light
of
an
intensification
and
how
we
charge
inside
and
outside
and
in
the
various
different
transects,
and
that's
the
debate
that
I,
I
guess
we'll
have
in
the
next
term
of
council
miguel.
Can
you
take
me
through
the
angular
plane
discussion
that,
on
the
on
the
northern
part
of
brittany.
R
K
K
R
To
be
clear
before
jacob
jumps
in
the
angular
plane
is,
is
one
of
many
tools
that
the
city
has
at
its
disposal
to
assess
an
appropriate
transition.
To
be
clear,
even
the
new
official
plan
doesn't
say:
building
shall
meet
the
angular
plane.
It
says
you
use
it
as
a
guide
and
then
you
start
moving
around
the
bits
in
this
case
here
the
discussion's
actually
more
obvious
in
that.
R
I
think
that
the
answer
is,
we
just
meet
the
angular
plane
and
if
I
saw
it
pop
up
and
then
it
went
away
thanks
chickens,
but
if,
if
kelly
were
able
to
pull
that
up,
I
think
jacob
could
walk
you
through,
but
it
was
a
very
sensitive
approach
that
dictated
the
building
heights
and
it
was
very
much
relied
on
through
the
angular
plane
so
jacob.
You
want
to
add
something.
E
Yeah
thanks
miguel.
I
did
have
a
couple
comments
exactly
slide.
Five,
please
that's
fantastic!
So
we
did
complete
an
angular
planes
analysis
as
part
of
our
our
revision
of
the
building
heights
along
block
one
that
some
of
the
previous
speakers
had
talked
about,
including
the
reduction
of
that
building
at
the
corner
of
sailor
and
brittany
through
an
angular
height
or
sorry,
an
angular
plane
analysis
in
these
cross
sections.
You
can
see
that
there's
actually
considerable
attention
paid
to
appropriate
building
heights,
whether
it's
a
mid-rise,
nine,
a
low,
a
lot.
K
E
K
A
Q
From
every
angle
co-chair
really
there
you
go
and
get
angular
planes.
Thank
you
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
the
co-chair
moffatt
reminded
us
that
there's
a
lot
of
process
to
come
and-
and
we
heard
today-
and
this
is
to
the
development,
the
proponents
team
opposition
to
some
of
the
proposed
locations
with
higher
builds
and
and
if
the
application
is
approved
today,
will
there
be
any
possibility
through
site
plan?
Q
G
You
know
I
I
could
start
on
that
right.
You
know
thanks
counselor
cliche.
You
know
thanks
for
thanks
for
raising
that.
You
know
we're.
You
know
we're
kind
of
spring
training
here.
Right
like
this
is
this
is
an
opa
right.
You
know,
as
some
of
the
delegations
mentioned,
you
know
we're
we
haven't
hired
an
architect.
G
You
know
out
of
good
faith.
You
know
I've
been
engaging
with
the
counselors
working
group.
You
know
a
hundred
percent.
I
agree
with
you
know
dr
vanderjatt
right
on
on
how
to
design
these
buildings
to
maximize
better
health
outcomes
right
a
hundred
percent
right
like
we're,
we're
we're
committed
to
sustainability,
we're
on
the
record
from
that
right.
G
You
know
this
housing
stock
right
and
you
know
it's
really
no
disrespect
to
you
know
to
to
our
residents
right
the
people
that
I'm
most
concerned
about
you
know,
but
they
were
built
80
90
years
ago.
They're
not
insulated.
Right
like
this.
This
is
the
housing
stock.
That
is
a
culprit
in
the
climate
crisis.
G
But,
to
answer
your
question
absolutely
right,
you
know
we're.
We
have
to
go
to
zoning,
we'll
have
to
go
to
site
plan.
You
know
when
buildings
start
getting
designed.
You
know,
that's
why
we
continue
in
good
faith
to
have
these
conversations
right
to
design.
You
know
these
buildings
as
well
as
we
can.
You
know,
and
maybe
it's
kind
of
perverse
right,
but
this
is
where
you
know
not
that
it's
personal,
but
it's
like
you
know
this
is
the
family
name
on
it
right.
You
kind
of
want
to
have
good
projects
right.
G
So
there's
a
bit
of
a
motivation
here.
This
is
a
mom-and-pop
shop
right
immigrants
to
canada
moved
to
ottawa,
who
have
you
know
been
in
manor
park
for
33
years.
You
know,
I
know
that
gets
discounted,
but
you
know
we've
been
in
the
community
too.
So
to
answer
your
question,
absolutely
right,
there's
so
much
opportunity
to
influence
design
and,
frankly,
that's
the
most
exciting
part.
G
If
we
get
to
it
right,
like
we
haven't
even
started
design
right
so
hopefully
later
this
year,
we
could
have
these
exciting
discussions
on
on
sustainability
on
health
issues
on
on
housing
typology,
which
you
know
we
could
actually
lead
in
the
country
on
how
to
make
family
units
in
urban
settings
like
that,
that's
kind
of
what
we
want
to
do.
Unfortunately,
you
know,
given
you
know,
given
the
steps
right,
we're
still
we're
still
spring
training
here.
Okay,.
Q
Thank
you
very
much
and
and
yeah
the
you
know.
The
process
that
you're
going
through
in
manor
park
is
not
unlike
the
hair
and
gate
process,
but
I
think
you
and
congratulations
to
you,
mr
edgar
wall.
You
you
got
out
early
with
your
communications,
with
your
consultations
and
and
the
mou
that
that
that
you
you
are
going
to
adhere
to.
I
am
sure
so.
Congratulations
on
that
and
I'll
have
some
questions
to
staff
about
the
mou.
Q
But
to
you
in
section
5
of
the
mou
secured,
affordable
housing
existing
and
item
d
as
new
dwellings
units
are
built.
Further
re-housings
can
occur
under
the
terms
of
the
no
displacement
pledge
in
the
new
units.
It
says
so
does
this
mean
that
the
an
occupant
or
family
can
may
be
subject
to
multiple
move
requests
during
the
building
and
the
relocation
process,
as,
as
has
been
stated,
it's
a
phased
process,
it's
20
25
30
years,
so
does
it
mean
that
there
might
be
multiple
moves
and
will
you
the
developer?
G
Yeah,
so
you
know
thank
you
for
the
question
and
thank
you
for
you
know
for
for
the
good
vibes,
I
guess
you
know,
but
the
fundal
mental
starting
point
on
on
all
of
this
was
no
displacement
right.
You
know
we're
we're
not
that
you
know
we've
been,
you
know
my
mom
and
dad
right
owners
for
33
years.
Some
of
our
residents
have
been
with
us
for
longer
than
that
right.
G
But
to
answer
your
questions
specifically-
and
this
is
where
you
know
it's
really
driving
all
of
this
right-
you
know
on
the
phasing
right,
so
the
you
know
we've
kind
of
narrowed
it
down
to
one
building
that
we
think
should
be
the
first
building
that
we
can
build.
It's
it's
likely
to
be
a
mid-rise
building,
but
this
is
gonna.
G
Right
and
and
the
whole
idea
here
is
to
you
know:
re-house
people
in
almost
exactly
the
same
town
houses
should
they
want
to
stay
with
us.
There
was
one
one
of
our
residents
that
was
quoted
in
the
newspaper
that
you
know
she
said:
hey,
listen,
you
know
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
live
in
a
town
house.
I'd
rather
be
in
a
in
an
apartment
on
transit.
Well,
you
know
we'll
we'll
offer
that
to
her
as
well
right
across
our
portfolio.
G
You
know,
but
you
know
getting
into
your
question
right,
so
you
build
the
first
mid-rise
building
and
then
the
second
area
that
we'd
focus
on
is
an
area
right
now,
where
it's
bachelor
units,
one
bedrooms,
two
bedrooms
and
some
three
bedrooms
right
and
and
that
sort
of
housing
typology
lends
itself
really
well
to
mid
rise
units,
which
is
why
you
know
we're
we're
on.
You
know
we're
so
confident
that
you
know
no
one
has
to
leave
manor
park.
You
know
we
do
have
natural
attrition
right.
G
You
know
about
15
to
20
percent
of
our
residents
turn
over
a
year,
so
units
become
available.
We
can
re-house
into
existing
townhouses
and
then
we
can
actually
build.
You
know
better
bachelors,
better
ones,
better,
twos,
better
threes,
but
then
to
your
question.
So
you
know-
and
this
is
that
that
sensitive
topic
right-
it's
like
okay.
Well,
you
know
it's
giving
choice
to
our
existing
residents
and-
and
I
think
where
it's
like-
okay,
you
know
you
might
be
in
a
two-bedroom
townhouse.
G
If
you
wanted
to
move
into
one
of
the
newer
buildings,
we
can
do
that
so
that
that's
kind
of
what
that
that
clause
is
meant
to
capture
like,
for
example,
you
have.
You
know
some
of
our
older
residents
who
who
want
single
level
living
right,
and
so
it's
kind
of
hard
to
capture
the
document.
But
the
intent
is
it's
like
okay?
Well,
you
can
we'll
find
you
another
townhouse
right.
If
that's
what
you
want,
but
you
know,
if
you
actually
say,
hey
the
lead.
G
G
If
we
move
someone
in
some
of
the
earlier
phases,
you
know
probably
the
way
it
they'll
probably
get
offered
relocation
in
mana
park
north
I'm
already
on
the
record
to
say
that
manor
park,
north
probably
doesn't
get
touched
for
15
years
from
a
day
of
an
opa
application.
You
know
approval
sorry
so
yeah.
G
You
know
like
it's
kind
of
talking,
15
20
years,
so
you
know
it's
not
and
and
then,
if
people
have
to
get
moved
again,
like
you
know-
and
this
is
you
know-
I
know
it's
been
discussed
at
this
committee,
but
there's
no
cap
on
the
moving
charges,
we're
offering
right
like
if
there's
a
cap,
it's
reasonable
moving
expenses,
but
hey
we'll
we'll
cover
this.
This
isn't
you
know
trying
to
really.
You
know,
disadvantage
anyone.
You
know.
Q
A
R
I'll
be
very
very
brief,
but
I
I
did
want
to
supplement
lilith's
answer
related
to
counselor
clutier's.
First
question
recall
that
mr
mcrae,
and
and
jacob
both
itemized,
that
the
current
op
policies
and
the
new
op
policies
allow
for
and
support
this
kind
of,
heightened
density
and
rightfully
so
you've.
This
council
has
made
a
decision
to
intensify
within
within
the
urban
area,
but
I
think
what
the
opa
does
is.
R
It
provides
an
element
of
predictability
for
those
future
applications,
because
we
will
be
subject
to
future
zoning
by
law,
amendment
applications
and
site
plan
applications,
and
what
this
opa
does
is.
It
goes
above
and
beyond
those
broader
stroke,
policies
of
the
op
and
say
you
know
what
we've
gone
through:
a
very
comprehensive
and
strategic
analysis
of
of
where
the
heights
should
go
and
where
they
shouldn't
and
that's
what
this
opa
does
is.
It
provides
an
element
of
certainty
to
the
city
and
to
the
community.
R
For
instance,
you
heard
mr
mcrate
say
that
on
manor
park,
north
we're
undeveloping
some
of
the
lands
that
we
could
do
nines,
but
the
secondary
plan
is
proposing
six
and
we're
using
certain
mechanisms
in
that
document
to
to
lower
those
heights.
What
it
also
offers
is
a
very
well
thought
out
and
strategic
approach
to
parks.
The
park
on
the
northern
side
has
been
used
through
land
assembly
and
all
those
things
to
transition
to
the
existing
low
rise
on
riviera.
R
Canopy
we're
very
mindful
of
these
things
when
we,
when
we
did
the
secondary
plant,
for
instance,
the
cross
section
that
we
selected
on
brittany,
was
fine-tuned
to
protect
for
existing
trees
along
the
south
side
of
britain.
So
all
of
this
is
strategic
and
we're
trying
to
add
some
predictability
through
this
opa.
That's
it.
Thank
you.
L
The
investments
in
our
community
which
have
been
appreciated-
and
I
know
that
the
community
association
mentioned
you-
know
the
community
center,
the
finance
of
the
bridge
and
as
well
community
gardens.
So
you
know
we
have
a
an
applicant
who
is
invested
not
just
financially
but
in
other
ways
in
the
community,
and
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
acknowledged,
as
well
as
through
the
community
benefits
agreement
and
a
commitment
through
a
memorandum
of
understanding
against
displacement
of
tenants
and
also
a
continuing
discussion
around
housing
affordability.
L
So
you
know
I
I'm
absolutely
gratified-
and
I
know
many
residents
and
community
association
members
are
gratified
around
that.
The
concerns,
of
course,
are
around
of
the
multiple
issues
that
we
heard
from
residents
today
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
them.
I'm
going
to
just
ask
about
a
few
I'm
going
to
be
happy
to
have
a
continuing
discussion
for
sure
with.
L
I
don't
want
to
say
counselor
pool
his
name
is
councillor
lieber,
but
I'm
happy
to
have
a
continuing
discussion
around
recreational
facilities,
because
that
is
an
important
element
for
all
counselors
in
the
inner
urban
core.
I
mean
this
is
a
challenge.
We
see
declining
recreational
facilities
and
and
lack
of
investment,
so
that
is
important,
but
what
I
do
want
to
ask
of
the
applicant
is
around
approaches
towards
mitigating
the
loss
of
the
tree,
canopy
and
enhancement
of
green
space.
R
R
There's
you
know,
whenever
you're
doing
a
master
plan
of
this
nature,
you're
gonna
have
a
hierarchy
of
open
spaces.
You're
gonna
have
the
public
the
semi-public
and
then
the
private
open
space,
starting
with
the
public
right
now.
All
of
the
open
space
in
this
area
is
provided
via
private
courtyards
that
are
infringed
upon
by
by
parking
areas
I
used
to
live
in
manor
park.
I
I
I
know
the
sights
very
well.
R
I
mentioned
brittany
already
that
we're
making
efforts,
because
there
are
existing
trees
along
brittany.
There
are
other
opportunities,
as
we
start
carving
out
the
development
blocks
to
maintain
existing
trees,
now
we're
getting
into
more
semi
or
private
property,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
development
applications
clear-cut,
but
rather
can
work
around
existing
existing
trees.
R
E
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
what
miguel
was
just
discussing.
So
once
again,
we
are
proposing
two
brand
new
parks
that
that
are
over
the
ten
percent
parkland
requirements.
In
addition
to
that,
with
the
removal
of
the
surface
parking
and
moving
it
underground,
then
I
think
these
slides
show
just
how
extensive
some
of
that
surface
parking
can
be
and
how
much
land
that
actually
takes
away
and
the
fragmented
green
spaces
that
result,
because
of
it
again
it
was
developed.
E
The
demonstration
plan
on
the
bottom,
those
are
all
to
be
preserved
as
per
the
demonstration
plan
and
that
cluster
of
trees
that
you
can
see
along
glasgow
crescent
was
actually
when
we
walked
from
st
long
sorry
sailor
along
glasgow.
We
noticed
a
big
cluster
of
trees
and
we
said
you
know
that'd
be
really
neat
to
be
able
to
keep
that
and
that
eventually
turned
into
a
discussion
about
what,
if
we
integrated
it
into
a
park
space
in
the
north.
E
To
make
sure
that
that
park
is
closer
to
the
school
understanding
that
there
were
a
lot
of
concerns-
and
you
heard
them
today
about
the
loss
of
that
potential
park-
space
adjacent
to
the
school
site.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
consideration
and
actually
this
slide
shows
something
else
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
which
is
the
widening
of
hemlock.
E
So
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
do
and
work
with
the
city
and
the
parks
department
or
the
right-of-way
group
and
the
planters
in
order
to
protect
that
tree
canopy.
But
these
are
just
some
of
the
thoughts
one.
A
lot
of
trees
are
in
edge
condition,
which
is
a
great
start
to
using
clusters
of
those
trees
to
to
identify
opportunities
for
park
spaces
and
three
looking
at
opportunities
to
preserve
those
trees
in
the
right
of
way
to
make
sure
that
the
canopy
is
is
just
is
not
so
disrupted.
E
I
would
note
as
well
that
some
of
those
trees
are
within
the
amenity
areas,
the
pink
spaces
that
you
can
see
on
this
map
and
block
six.
You
can
see
that
there
was
one
identified
that
is
likely
to
be
preserved
because
it
is
existing
and
already
within
the
courtyard.
So
why
not
keep
it
and
there
would
be
opportunities
for
future
plantings
as
well,
and
that
includes
plantings
in
the
right-of-way,
like
miguel
already
mentioned,
on
the
south
side
of
brittany,
but
also
opportunities
within
those
amenity
spaces
for
they're
pink.
E
But
you
know
green
would
be
a
good
choice.
We
just
wanted
to
different
differentiate
the
private
from
the
public
spaces
in
order
to
to
show
that
on
the
demonstration
plan,
so
the
tree
canopy
was
certainly
considered
and,
like
I
said
in
our
initial
site
visit,
we
went
out
with
our
landscape
architect
to
actually
identify
opportunities
for
tree
preservation.
From
the
very
first
meeting.
L
Well,
I
thank
you
for
that
that
answer.
Obviously
I
want
to
reflect
the
concerns
of
the
residents,
which
are
my
concerns
around
parkland
and
green
space
and
in
its
maintenance,
because
we
know
on
the
smallest
projects-
and
I
think
many
of
my
colleagues
can
actually
concur
with
this
on
the
smallest
projects.
L
We
get
notifications
on
trees
coming
down
all
the
time
and
it's
a
massive
challenge
and
of
course
the
key
characteristic
of
manor
park
is
really
living
in
a
green
green-scaped,
landscape,
green-scaped,
environment,
one
where
the
tree
canopy
is
is
favored,
so
you
know
not
certain.
I
I'm
completely
convinced
that
that
could
occur
with
the
scale
and
scope
of
of
of
densification
that
is
being
proposed
here.
L
I
think
that
councilor
lieber
did
adequately
address
some
of
my
concerns
around
recreation
and
I'll,
be
very
blunt
in
the
fact
that
there
has
been
a
commitment
through
the
purchase
of
that
community
amenity
by
the
by
the
applicant
to
see
at
least
some
continuing
major
investment
there.
But,
of
course
we
want
to
see
and
hear
more
details
about
that
as
a
community.
Thank
you,
joe.
G
G
You
know
throughout
this
whole
development
right,
so
you
know
when,
when
you
see
infill,
it's
kind
of
taking
up
open
space,
we're
actually
going
to
be
giving
back
open
space
right,
whether
it's
park,
space
or
private
amenity
space.
You
know
there's
a
bit
of
the
gray
area,
but
there's
a
four
percent
reduction
in
in
hardscape
use
and
on
the
trees.
You
know,
I
think
this
is
where
I'll
just
you
know
lean
on
our
track
record.
G
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
counselors
on
this
call
where
you
know
in
in
their
wards
and
in
their
developments,
we're
planting
extra
trees
right.
So
I
can't
speak
for
the
ones
where
the
trees
are
getting
knocked
down,
but
this
is
hey.
This
is
the
the
hand
being
raised
out.
Just
call
us
and
we're
committed
to
that.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
hear
that
commitment.
I
feel
for
you
counselor
king.
I
I
do.
This
is
a
really
complicated
file
and
I
think
many
of
the
time
many
of
the
minutes
here
I
was
thinking.
If
this
were
kanata
north.
I
would
be
hearing
similar
things
from
residents
of
canada.
I
don't
think
this
is
nimbyism.
I
think
these
are
real
issues
that
need
to
be
worked
through.
B
B
Even
just
the
comment
about
the
the
environmental
issues,
but
yet
a
lot
of
these
buildings
are
so
old,
like
the
best
thing
we
could
do
would
be
to
get
rid
of
them
and
you
know
produce
new
buildings
that
would
be
much
more
environmentally
friendly,
there's
so
many
environmental
arguments
to
make.
I
do
have
two
questions,
though
I
did
want
to
ask
lalit.
What
did
you
think
about
the
smart
cities
conversation
that
we
had
there.
G
You
know,
I
think
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
it's
the
future
right
and
you
know
I'll
be
honest.
I
had
to
miss
the
meetings
this
week,
but
you
know
my
entire
construction
team
you
know
has,
has
actually
been
liaising
with
a
lot
of
vendors
on
the
smart
city
type
technologies
that
are
available.
You
know,
we've
got,
we've
got
a
lot
of
developments
under
construction
right
now.
You
know
and
we're
we're
starting
to
you
know,
embed
those
technologies
in
our
buildings.
The
one
we're
talking
about
right
now.
G
You
know
council
brockington's
in
portland,
I
believe,
but
we're
we're.
Actually
you
know
gonna
start
piloting
some
of
those
technologies
in
his
ward.
At
you
know
a
development
we
have
happening
at
bank
and
walkley.
So
absolutely
you
know.
I
think,
and
I
think
this
is
the
opportunity
right.
We
haven't
started
design,
but
I'm
I'm
open-minded
right
and
I
think
you
know
you
obviously
want
to
future-proof
your
buildings.
You
know
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
for
me.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
this.
The
other
question
I
have
is
you
know
there
is
was
conversation
earlier
in
the
meeting
about
delaying
for
a
year,
and
I
guess
I
want
to
ask
you
straight
out
like
what
would
that
actually
mean
to
you
if
some,
if
a
motion
comes
forward
to
delay
this
for
a
year,
what
would
that
actually
mean.
G
You
know,
I
think,
I
think
really
what's
changed
from
from
the
beginning
of
of
kind
of
when
we
started
this,
you
know
six
years
ago
is
there's
a
uop
right
and
I
think
I
think
counselor
not
counselor,
but
you
know
andrew
mccreed,
from
planning
kind
of
you
know,
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
right,
like
there's
a
new
op
and
for
manor
park
south
it.
You
know
what
we're
proposing
doesn't
require
an
opa
right.
So
I
think
you
know
honestly.
G
I
probably
we
probably
well,
first
and
foremost
right,
no
displacement,
100
right,
that's
our
starting
point,
so
I
think
at
least
when
I'm
saying
it
now
that
goes
without
saying
right.
So
we
probably
just
honor
everything.
We've
said
start
with
that.
First
building,
you
know
in
phase
one
you
know
like
I,
you
know
with
the
new
op
like
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
need
an
opa
right.
So
if
there's
a
deferral
we
probably
with
problem
right
there's,
I
don't
think
there's
need
right.
G
It's
almost
a
bit
of
a
mood
application
to
miguel's
point.
It
provides
certainty
right
around
parklands,
complete
streets.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing
you
know,
but
the
funny
perverse
thing
here
right
and
I
think
council
leaper
mentioned
it
in
his
in
his
newsletter
last
friday.
You
know
and
we're
leaving
density
on
the
table
right.
G
R
Thank
you
very
much.
Sorry
if
I
could
add
just
in
terms
of
I
know,
both
andrew
has
done
it
jacob
as
well,
and
actually
the
community
has
provided
a
bit
of
an
inventory
on
the
amount
of
consultation.
I
I
would
find
it
troubling
that
a
motion
to
to
defer
for
reasons
of
more
consultation,
the
the
agriwalls
have
been
engaged
in
this
process.
For
six
years,
we've
actively
been
engaging
with
this
community
for
for
four
years,
we've
had
numerous
public
meetings.
R
Foten
does
a
lot
of
consultation.
As
you
know,
we
also
monitor
a
lot
of
the
secondary
plans
on
behalf
of
clients
to
the
city,
and
I
would
offer
that
we
probably
exceed
the
amount
of
consultation
that
the
city
does
on
their
own
secondary
plans.
Like
did
you
know
that
lalit
held
office
hours
for
anybody
who
wanted
to
sign
up
for
a
virtual
meeting
with
him
and
chat
for
an
hour?
R
Some
of
them
went
longer
than
that.
That's
fairly
unusual,
so
I
think
it'd
be
an
odd
approach
to
say
you
know
we
haven't
done
our
our
we
haven't
done
above
and
beyond
efforts
for
consultation.
I
heard
some
of
the
comments
today.
I
don't
agree
with
some
of
them
that
we
are
simply
checking
a
box.
These
were
genuine
consultations.
R
There
was
there
was
there
were
some
comments
that
we
just
couldn't
accommodate
they
weren't
in
keeping
with
direction
of
the
official
plan
or
they
weren't
in
keeping
with
lilith's
vision
for
the
lands
or
what
we
thought
was
best
practice,
but
the
amount
of
consultation
that
occurred
here
is
head
and
shoulders,
above
anything
that
that
I've
been
involved
with
or
even
that
the
city
has
done.
I
would,
I
would
suggest,
thank
you.
B
K
What
do
you
think
a
broader
secondary
plan
for
this
more
organic
community,
not
necessarily
defined
by
property
ownership?
Would
it
look
any
different
if
we
went
down
that
path
of
saying
you
know
what
the
broader
community
is
interested
in?
Keeping
the
density
on
any
one
given
site
down,
so
it
would
be
more
evenly
distributed
through
the
the
more
organically
defined
community
would
do.
What
is
the
outcome
of
that?
Okay.
R
I
can
offer
a
few
very
hypothetical,
obviously
obviously,
but
I
can
offer
a
few
comments
and
in
that
it
is
not
unusual
for
the
city
to
entertain
developer,
initiated
secondary
plans.
I
was
going
to
use
the
westgate
example
and
I
remember
thinking
well.
We
did
it
for
westgate
and
it
it
is
a
very
reasonable
approach.
You're
going
to
get
more
of
those
as
because
there
are
many
obligations
for
secondary
plans
in
your
new
official
plan.
R
It
would
seem
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
it
would
seem.
You
know
it
would
seem
unusual
to
do
a
secondary
plan
for
the
balance
of
the
manor
park
lands
in
that
it
is
largely
a
low-rise
r1
community
and
normally,
when
you
do
secondary
plans,
is
because
there
are
other
potentials
for
other
corridors
like
like
beechwood
avenue
or
or
the
other
reaches
of
sailrite
boulevard.
R
That
would
be
available
with
larger
development
blocks,
for
instance,
and
in
this
case
that
doesn't
really
there
isn't
that
potential.
So
what
we
would
really
be
talking
about
is
a
secondary
plan
to
figure
out.
If
the
r1s
go
to
r3s,
I
don't
think
you
need
a
secondary
plan.
I
think
the
city
is
very
well
suited
to
think
that,
through
with
those
communities
without
relying
on
this
process,
to
provide
a
a
secondary
plan,
other
reaches
that
I
mentioned,
like
beechwood,
is
already
subject
to
a
cdp.
R
You
know
montreal
road
already
has
just
west
of
of
sailor
already
has
a
secondary
plan.
The
rcmp
campus
actually
has
a
master
plan
that
foten
did
maybe
15
years
ago,
so
there
are
already
policy
documents
for
those
other
opportunities.
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
for
the
city
to
assign
opportunities
for
redevelopment
within
the
manor
park
proper.
I
will
say
this
as
well
and
I'm
not
comparing
us
to
the
city
in
their
secondary
plan
process,
but
when
you
have
a
developer-led
secondary
plan.
R
Yes,
voltan
was
the
lead
consultant
and
we
did
that
in
consultation
with
the
udrp
and
staff
and
the
community,
but
we
were
also
supplemented
by
a
team
of
consultants,
so
we
had
environmental
input.
Geotechnical
input,
architectural
input,
you
know
all
of
those
transportation,
whereas
oftentimes
when
a
city
does
a
secondary
plan,
they
don't
have
geotech
information
and
they
don't
have
environmental
information.
So
what
I
would
suggest,
maybe
as
a
closing
remark,
is
the
level
of
analysis
that
occurred
here
is
probably
higher
than
if
this
would
have
been
a
city-initiated
secondary
plan.
Yeah
and.
K
The
difficulty
with
doing
city
secondary
city-led
secondary
plans
is
the
the
number
of
resources
right.
We
cannot
do
all
the
secondary
plans
that
we
need
to
do,
and
so,
if,
if
the
developers
want
to
keep
their
projects
moving
ahead,
it
falls
to
them
to
to
pay
the
cost
of
doing
the
secondary
plan
in
order
to
to
keep
that
moving
away.
K
I'm
just
I'm
looking
at
the
the
overall
goal,
which
can
almost
become
down
to
a
number
right.
The
the
the
goal
of
our
official
plan
for
the
next
25
years
is
that
51
percent
of
our
predicted
growth
is
going
to
be
through
intensification
and
we
get
laurel
and
hardy
as
I've
called
it
before.
Development
of
you
know:
low-rise,
neighborhoods
and
very
very
tall
tall
buildings,
because
we're
we're
not
in
a
position
to
try
to
distribute
the
growth
more
evenly
throughout
the
entire
built
up
area
and,
to
my
mind,
part
of
that
is
because
we
leave.
K
R
Yeah,
but
I
mean
I
not
to
avoid
a
philosophical
discussion
with
you,
but
just
maybe
a
few
rounding
out
points,
but
it's
it's
not
unexpected
to
have
high
high
rise
on
arterials,
where
they're
in
better
proximity
to
transit.
They
have
opportunities
for
commercial
and
mixed
use
and
when
you
get
further
into
those
neighborhoods,
those
opportunities
don't
exist
anymore.
So
it's
it's
not
surprising
that
you
don't
get
that
additional
density,
plus
a
lot
of
the
efforts
when
the
city
does
the
rito
street
secondary
plan,
it's
for
the
exact
opposite.
R
They
want
to
direct
the
growth
on
the
transportation
corridors
and
on
the
mixed
use
corridors
in
an
effort
to
protect
the
low-rise
areas
in
those
communities
and
and
make
no
mistake-
that's
that's
very
much
in
harmony
with
the
expectations
of
those
communities,
but
that's
that's
really
been.
The
ottawa
model
is
direct
growth
to
where
it
should
go
and
protect
the
internal
communities.
Now
the
city
is
getting
into
that
philosophical
debate,
as
do
those
middle
communities,
do
they
need
to
take
on
more.
F
K
K
A
L
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
just
really
wanted
to
reference
some
of
the
written
comments
that
were
submitted
by
sean
schack
in
terms
of
his
commentary
and
just
wanted
to
ask
a
planning
staff
to
really
reconcile
their
recommendation
to
approve
this
application
in
terms
of
his
commentary
about
the
plan
being
contrary
to
planning
policy
outlined
in
opa.
I
believe
policies,
three
and
four,
and
I
think
he
referenced
both
section
three
and
section
four.
L
Those
sections
dealing
with
building
height
in
the
general
urban
area
would
continue
to
be
predominantly
low
rise,
and
that's
what
the
policy
said,
and
we
know
that
in
the
last
planning
meeting.
We
also
heard
mr
willis
talking
about
the
need
for
ground-oriented
units,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
could
speak
to
the
way
that
policies
were
were
really
applied
in
terms
of
this
planning
development.
D
Thank
you,
councillor
charits.
I
understand
the
conversation
and
I
I
applaud
the
efforts
of
of
mr
shrek
and
his
his
planning
analysis.
Unfortunately,
planning's
interpretation
of
the
policy
is
slightly
different
than
the
resident's
interpretation.
What
he
was
referring
to
is
our
policies
of
the
general
urban
area
or
in
the
new
op
context.
The
neighborhood
designation,
where
it
starts
as
a
general
point
of
saying,
building
heights
shall
be
up
to
four
stories
when
you
get
into
these
sub-clauses
of
where
taller
buildings
were
be
considered.
D
Manor
park
south
fits
in
the
category
of
there's
language
in
the
pulse
he
talks
about,
you
can
go
taller
than
four
stories
in
areas
already
characterized
by
taller.
Buildings.
Characterize
is
understood
to
mean
by
virtue
of
existing
buildings
that
are
taller
than
four
stories
or
by
zoning
that
permits
taller
than
four
stories.
D
I
believe,
in
what
I
saw
in
the
presentation
was
the
residence
interpretation
was
focused
more
primarily
on
existing
building
stock.
What
zoning
permissions
were
when
you
look
at
the
area
surrounding
brittany
drive,
there's
a
range
of
building
heights
from
11
stories
to
24
stories
in
the
immediate
vicinity
along
saint
laurent,
as
well
as
building
heights,
both
in
terms
of
zoning
and
existing
buildings
that
go
from
six
to
16
stories
along
that
corridor
of
of
brittany.
D
When
you
bring
that
back
to
the
policy
language,
it's
very
clear
that
buildings,
both
by
virtue
of
existing
buildings
and
zoning
heights,
are
permitted
above
four
stories.
All
all
surrounding
brittany
avenue,
which
means
the
proposed
building
heights
being
taller
than
four
stories,
are
to
be
considered
and
would
not
trigger
an
opa.
L
L
I
did
have
just
a
few
questions
on
the
housing
piece
as
well,
so
I
don't
know
if
staff
on
the
call
would
be
able
to
answer
some
questions
around
the
the
mou.
I
believe
as
well
that
councilor
menard
was
going
to
ask
some
of
these
types
of
questions
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
come
back
on
the
list
chair.
L
M
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
actually,
but
I
do.
I
did
want
to
probe
it
on
a
couple
of
pieces,
and
you
know
obviously
in
supporting
my
my
colleague,
the
the
the
question
stemmed
from
the
details
of
the
mou,
and
you
know
my
view
that
we,
the
the
these
types
of
mlus,
really
shouldn't
be
a
product
of
the
you
know,
generosity
of
of
developers
who
who
have
the
ability
to
do
this
sort
of
thing.
I
think
we've
laid
it
out
on
a
new
official
plan
that
anti-displacement
rental
replacement.
M
These
these
rules
should
just
be
the
rules
in
a
city
that
values
residents,
and
so
I
am
grateful
that
that
the
mou
has
some
community
benefits
written
into
it.
That
goes
beyond
the
current
framework
we
have
and
that
councilor
king's
office
and
the
community
have
pushed
for
the
negotiations
of
these
elements,
but
I
do
have
a
question
for
staff
around
the
future
of
of
our
new
official
plan
and
whether
these
types
of
agreements
in
this
current
mou,
when
the
new
official
plan
is
is
in
place,
will
become
commonplace.
M
E
M
D
Thank
you
sure,
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
a
specific
policy
in
the
new
op
that
speaks
to
anti-displacement
or
no
displacement,
we're
looking
into
it
and
can
certainly
follow
up
on
that.
But
we
are
aware
that
there
is
policy
that
does
protect
rental
housing
to
replace
rental
housing.
Those
are
two
distinct
different
things,
but
I
think
that's
what
councilman
art
is
getting
at
if
we
could
take
that
away
and
report
back
we'll
have
to
look
into
it,
but
from
going
purely
off
memory,
I'm
not
aware
of
a
specific
policy
about
displacement.
M
Okay,
I
know
we
did
have
those
discussions
chair
previously
prior
to
the
op.
It's
been
in.
Some
media
as
well
would
be
really
interested
to
know
yeah.
You
know
the
specifics
around
anti-displacement
in
particular,
so
thank
you
for
that
and
the
sooner
that
can
come
back
the
better
just
in
memos.
I
don't
think
to
have
a
full
debated
committee,
but
just
a
memo
on
on
it
would
be
great
so
that
we
know
where
we're
headed
so
that
again,
it's
not
just
at
the
whim
of
sort
of
good
negotiation.
M
Goodwill
negotiations,
which
I
appreciate
this
developer
and
coming
to
the
table
with
counselor
king's
office,
but
but
it's
an
expectation
we
build
in,
so
I
I
think
I'll
leave
it
there.
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
like
about
this
development.
Personally,
I
I
want
to
support
my
colleague,
counselor
king,
in
in
discussions
and
negotiations
that
seem
like
they're
almost
there.
It
feels
like
we're
not
far
off
from
having
most
community
support,
be
there
we're
almost
there
physically
95
of
the
way
there.
M
A
Thanks,
council
monarch,
I
know,
anti-displacement
policies
have
come
up
quite
often
at
this
committee.
It
is.
It
is,
as
as
andrew
said,
a
priority
that
will
stem
from
the
official
plan,
and
there
is
new
policy
under
development
in
the
work
plan,
and
certainly
council
has
signaled
that
it's
an
important
piece
of
policy
so
yeah.
It
would
be
helpful
from
staff
to
get
an
updated
timeline
on
where
that
sits
in
terms
of
policy
development.
K
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
could
give
us
a
high
level
overview
of
how
development
charges
would
contribute
toward
recreation
infrastructure.
This
is
an
inside
the
green
belt
development.
What
what
funds
are
we
collecting
for
inside
the
green
belt
and
and
how
was
it
chosen,
what
those
are
going
to
be
spent
on.
B
K
So
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
whether
we
have
a
rough
quantum.
We
know
approximately
how
many
doors
there
are
and
approximately
what
kind
of
mix
there
is.
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
could
let
us
know
how
much
roughly
we
might
expect
to
collect
for
parks
and
recreation
on
the
basis
that
this
is
inside
the
green
belt
and
then
the
subsequently
to
give
us
an
idea
of
sort
of
the
lists
of
projects
that
currently
exist
within
the
parks
and
recreation
master
plan
on
which
these
might
be
spent.
K
And
I
understand
that's
a
pretty
complex
question,
but
as
we
approach
council,
perhaps
you
could
let
members
of
of
city
council
know
that
answer
because,
as
I
think,
counselor
king
said,
this
will
keep
coming
up.
I
think
we're
under
collecting
for
recreation
facilities
inside
the
in
the
inner
urban
transect.
B
Yeah
I
just
want
my
question
mostly
for
staff
is
about
manor
park
public
school,
and
I'm
just
wondering
the
basic
question
is
how
much
intel
do
we
have
now.
I
will
just
make
a
comment
that
if
this
is
a
50-year
development,
you
know
there's
no
knowledge
that
we
have
right
now.
That
would
absolutely
apply
to
manor
park
public
school,
but
the
community
is
not
wrong
and
that
it
could
go
and
become
nothing
because
we
did
that
with
laurentian.
B
As
many
of
you
will
remember,
bayview,
I
think
in
council,
brockington's
ward
is
now
not
no
longer
a
big
school
yard
is
a
condominium,
so
that
does
happen,
but
I'm
also
hearing
there
will
be
many
more
people
living
in
this
neighborhood.
You
know
if
there
was
a
boundary
review
and
I
think
I
heard
that
there
is
because
potentially
there
are
new
schools,
it's
a
possibility
that
mander
park
will
be
seen
as
too
old
of
a
school
and
and
they
get
rid
of
it
in
favor
of
newer
schools.
D
Thank
you.
So
I
I
can't
speak
to
the
faith
of
manor
park
public
school,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is
the
school
boards
were
circulated
on
this
application.
I
heard
from
both
ottawa
carlton
district
school
board,
as
well
as
the
catholic
school
board,
both
of
which
flagged
that
at
the
moment
they
did
not
see
concerns
with
capacity
but
will
be
following
this
closely
and
when
they
get
into
the
phase
and
phase
developments
and
understanding
the
unit
type
and
density
they'll
have
to
consistently
keep
evaluating.
What
was
noted
that
was
both
school
boards
flagged.
D
That
increases
in
capacity
could
be
accommodated
through
the
use
of
portables
additions
to
existing
schools
or
the
change
in
their
boundaries.
So
it's
something
that
the
school
boards
will
be
monitoring.
They're
aware
of
this
file
they're
aware
of
the
application,
they
will
be
circulated
on
each
phase
of
development
when
a
phase
comes
in
for
site
plan
as
well
as
zoning
etc,
and
I
know
that
the
applicant
is
also
in
very
close
discussions
with
the
school
boards,
but
that's
the
information
we
have
from
to
date
from
the
circulation
process.
B
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
andrew
because
you
know
when
I'm
hearing
that
the
design
of
a
lot
of
the
new
units
will
be
family
friendly,
I'm
thinking
it's
more
likely
that
they
will.
You
know,
really
need
manor
park.
Public
school
like
it
wouldn't
be.
I
don't
imagine,
but
I
mean
50
years
is
a
long
time,
but
that's
not
something.
I
was
thinking
right
away
either,
but
I'm
glad
that
we
did
get
a
comment
on
that.
Thank
you.
L
King,
thank
you
chair
and
I'll
try
to
be
rapid
fire.
I
am
supportive
of
the
mou
as
a
general
concept,
but
of
course
we
want
to
be
probative
in
terms
of
our
questions
around
it.
So
I'm
hoping
staff
can
answer
a
number
of
rapid
fire
questions
that
I
have
so
the
mou
section
one
contains
two
definitions
of
affordable
housing
secured,
affordable,
existing
and
secured
affordable
new.
Can
you
explain,
can
staff
explain
what
these
terms
mean
and
do
you
have
any
suggestions
to
revise
these
terms
to
be
potentially
more
beneficial
to
ottawa's,
affordable
housing
supply.
D
My
understanding
of
the
secured
affordable
existing
is
the
540
dwelling
units
that
are
outside
that
first
phase
of
development
and
what
it
means
is
that
there's
been
a
commitment
by
the
agger
walls
to
ensure
that
those
existing
units
stay
at
their
affordable
rates,
whether
there's
a
change
in
tenant
or
not
they'll
stay
at
their
affordable
rates.
The
benchmark,
I
believe,
is
below
our
average
market
rent,
but
we're
comparing
it
as
a
unit
type
to
unit
type.
So
a
two
bedroom
unit
compared
to
a
two
bedroom
unit.
D
There's
a
commitment
to
keep
the
existing
housing
stock
affordable.
The
secured,
affordable
new
is
applying
to
the
new,
the
new
residential
buildings
and
the
dwelling
units.
And
again
it's
it's
looking
at
making
sure
that
those
new,
affordable
new
units,
sorry
secured
affordable
new
units
would
have
a
maximum
monthly
rate
that
are
consistent
with
those
decibels
defined
by
cmhc.
D
They
can
only
be
analyzed
at
the
time
that
a
unit
comes
online,
but
the
intent
is
that
they'll
stay
at
that
that
lower
average
market
rent
and
there's
a
commitment
to
ensure
that
at
least
10
percent
of
all
new
development
remains
affordable.
And
if
it's
not
10,
it
would
be
dictated
by
other
processes
that
are
not
in
place
like
inclusionary
zoning.
Whichever
would
yield
more
affordable
housing
units.
L
I'm
thankful
that
you
touched
on
that,
because
we
know
that
the
mou
section
6
both
b
and
c,
commit,
like
you,
said
to
providing
10
of
new
rental
dwelling
units
for
each
phase
of
redevelopment
as
secured,
affordable
new.
So
for
20
years
from
the
date
that
the
opa
is
in
force
is
20
years.
In
staff's
estimation,
sufficient
would
20
more
years,
would
more
than
20
years
be
better,
and
if
so,
what
length
of
time
would
you
actually
recommend.
B
B
B
N
L
Thank
you
for
that
analysis.
I
was
also
wondering,
and-
and
I
I
believe
it's
true-
that
rents
can
be
increased
beyond
the
by
default,
permitted
annual
increases
if
there
are
substantial
renovations,
such
as
capital,
expenditures
by
the
landlord
or
or
if
there's
a
new
tenant
coming
into
that
unit.
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
speak
about
those
possibilities
in
the
context
of
this
development
in
this
mouth.
L
D
We
do
have
a
clause
in
the
memorandum
of
understanding
its
clause
8
about
the
sale
of
land
that
states
that
manor
park
estates
ensures
that,
in
the
event
of
any
sale
of
the
land,
that
the
purchaser
seems
the
responsibility
of
this
agreement.
But
that's
in
place
to
make
sure
that
that
conversation
happens
and
then
relative
to
the
big.
L
L
The
amount
of
effort
that
has
been
undertaken
on
this
file
has
been
extensive
in
terms
of
consultations
and
dealing
with
resident
feedback,
as
well
as
our
office.
So
I'd
actually
like
to
thank
planning
staff
for
all
the
the
the
excellent
in-depth
work
that
they
have
been
undertaking
on
this
file.
Thank
you,
joe.
B
B
I
appreciate
the
work
and
I
appreciate
the
effort
that
was
made
in
reaching
out
to
tenants
and
that
some
of
them
appeared
and
and
spoke
as
as
well
as
local
homeowners.
I
think
that
was
that
was
good
to
hear
that
from
their
perspective,
since
they
are
very
much
impacted.
I
appreciate
the
mou,
of
course.
It's
the
way
forward
and
that's
great
work.
B
My
my
concerns
rest
with,
and
it's
something
that
was
raised
by
one
of
the
tenants
was
in
terms
of
transit
and
commercial,
which
are
are
really
what
make
50-minute
neighborhoods
is,
is
what
kind
of
guarantees
do
we
have
of
better
transit
service
in
an
area?
That's
not
on
the
on
the
transit
system
and
and
in
terms
of
commercial
of
luring
food
stores,
or
you
know,
basic
essential
stores
into
neighborhoods.
B
I've
had
my
own
layla
knows
about
losing
giant
tiger
up
in
foster
farm
and
and
how
difficult
it
is
to
get
a
a
tenant
who
sells
food.
You
know
you
just
can't
pick
and
choose
sometimes,
but
I
just
want
to
know
what
are
our
chances
on
that,
because
we
really
do
want
50
minute
neighborhoods.
That
would
benefit
those
that
are
already
there
and
the
ones
that
are
coming
in.
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
what
the
possibilities
there
are
on
that.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
counselor
and
an
excellent
question
chair.
It's
a
it's,
a
very
loaded
question
and
a
lot
to
unpack
there.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
from
a
planning
perspective.
Our
starting
point
is
this
policy
document
which
looks
to
saint
laurent
as
a
mixed-use
corridor
and
allows
for
that
level
of
local
commercial
in
certain
buildings
within
the
brittany
streets
of
manor
park
south,
so
we're
putting
the
policy
language
in
there
and
supporting
it
through
the
schedules
to
encourage
that
level
of
mixed
use
and
getting
those
local
commercial
uses.
D
The
next
planning
piece
will
be
when
the
phases
of
development
start
to
come
online
and
we
start
to
apply
the
zoning
to
those
parcels
and
start
to
rezone
it
in
a
matter
consistent
with
secondary
plan.
That's
where
you'll
start
to
start
to
get
the
mixed
use
on
like
a
traditional
main
street,
for
example,
where
there's
going
to
be
perhaps
a
requirement
for
that
ground
level,
retail
and
a
mix
of
uses
that
are
broader
in
scope.
D
B
B
And
I
I
know
this
is
a
little
bit
out
of
our
bailiwick,
but
I
would
love
to
see
more
tenant
associations
so
that
they
could
have
more
voice
as
reason
and
give
them
the
tools
so
that
they
can.
I
certainly
have
that
in
bayshore
as
well.
It's
a
struggle
to
do,
but
anything
that
we
can,
because
I
think
that
these
are
the
ones
since
they're
going
to
be
larger
in
number
to
to
be
able
to
raise
the
concerns
about
the
transit
and
other
things.
B
So
I
hope,
as
a
city
that
we
continue
to
do
that.
I
know
when
we
had
the
official
plan.
We
had
a
special
meeting
for
for
renters,
which
was
really
important,
a
city-wide
meeting,
and
I
think
that
was
a
big
positive
step,
because
we
are
going
to
have
more
renters
with
these
kinds
of
developments,
since
this
is
not
condominiums
necessarily
so
that's
the
direction
we're
going.
B
A
D
D
K
N
A
Okay,
so-
and
this
is
a
relatively
new
idea
for
the
city
as
well-
so
perhaps
we
don't
have
all
of
the
policies
and
and
road
maps
for
for
how
it
looks-
and
this
is
one
of
these
projects-
that'll
help
set
the
stage
for
future
cbas.
At
least
I
would
hope.
So.
I
also
wanted
to
ask
sailor
as
it
is
now
is
not
a
particularly
comfortable
place
to
walk
down
if
you're
walking
from
though
from
north
to
south
towards
montreal
road.
B
A
K
K
I
have
seen
in
my
community
parties
or
agreements
between
developers
and
resident
groups
where
those
resident
groups
are
are
simply
unable
to
try
to
get
courts
to
enforce
the
terms
of
the
agreement
because
they
can't
afford
to
go
to
court
over
it.
So
just
I
would
encourage
mr
mark
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
a
part
of
that.
L
So
it
is
still
in
progress,
but
it's
very
exciting,
because
I
think
that
this
is
a
a
new
innovation
for
the
city
and
it
allows
us
to
have
a
continuing
dialogue.
I
know
that's
what
drives
residents,
especially
in
rio
de
ja,
crazy.
We
have
these
applications
and
then
there's
no
follow-through
or
follow-up,
and
people
feel
completely
unsatisfied
here.
There's
a
process
for
continuing
discussion
about
the
benefits
and
the
potential
amenities
that
would
come
from
such
a
proposal,
so
we
will
continue
to
definitely
have
those
discussions
with
staff.
K
Q
Thanks
just
a
really
quick
one
might
not
have
relevance
just
curious,
though
the
the
new
op
we've
heard
conversations
about
the
new
op
and
its
impacts,
and
in
a
community
like
this
I
mean.
Obviously,
you
have
the
the
low
density
portion
of
the
community,
which
is
only
20
units
back
there
you
know
gross,
and
then
you
have
this
area.
That's
subject
to
redevelopment.
If,
if
this
wasn't
before
so
this
opa
wasn't
before
us
and
we
just
went
the
natural
process
of
of
the
new
op
coming
to
effect
and
implementing
it
through
the
zoning
by
lab.
D
Thanks
counselors
so
through
the
chair,
the
the
driver
of
this
of
this
opa
and
the
secondary
plan
really
started
as
as
land
use
in
building
height
and
then
when
we,
when
we
got
into
the
details
in
review,
we
added
the
specific
policies
to
enforce
the
vision
if
you
break
it
down
at
least
on
ball
parking,
but
about
90
percent
of.
What's
before
you
is
consistent
with
the
op.
In
other
words,
the
heights
proposed
would
not
trigger
an
official
plan
amendment.
D
There
are
a
select
few
buildings,
such
as
in
manor
park
north
as
you're,
going
westward
on
hemlock,
where
we
transition
to
six
stories
as
you're
approaching
manor
parks,
public
school
to
the
west
and
beechwood
to
the
south.
Just
to
give
you
orientation,
that's
a
minor
corridor
in
the
new
op
which
stops
building
heights
at
four
stories.
So
we're
talking
about
three
buildings
in
that
corner,
where
six
stories
would
be
four
stories
under
the
new
op,
the
other
unique
outlier.
Ironically
enough
is
the
25
story.
Building
at
the
corner.
I
D
Saint
laurent
and
brittany,
which
is
part
of
that
main
street
corridor
regime
and
because
the
right
of
way
width
there
is
less
than
30
meters.
It
would
stop
at
nine
stories,
but
there's
other
policy
that
suggests
that
additional
building
heights
can
be
considered
through
a
secondary
plan
which
we've
done
and
when
you
look
at
the
context
having
other
high-rises
right
around
that
corner,
including
24
stories.
Two
buildings
to
the
south
25
stories
makes
sense
so
purely
from
a
official
plan,
amendment
exercise
and
what's
triggering
an
opa.
Q
A
I
want
to
give
an
opportunity
to
anyone
who
wants
to
do
a
wrap-up
and
then
we'll
go
to,
I
believe,
there's
a
deferral
motion
from
councillor
menard
and
then
the
final
report
recommendations
depending
on
the
outcome
of
that
motion,
is
there
anyone
who
wanted
to
make
any
final
comments
or
wrap
up
I'll?
Let
you
go
last
councilor
king.
I
I
wanted
it
to
just
three
points
that
stood
out
for
me.
One
one
was
on
the
mou.
A
I
think
this
does
raise
the
bar
on
expectations
for
builders
in
terms
of
an
mou
it's
better
than
what
we
had
for
hair
and
gate,
and
hopefully
we
keep
that
trajectory
and
the
next
similar
development
to
this
one.
We
would
see
even
an
even
better
mou,
but
in
the
absence
of
any
official
policy
and
the
fact
that
this
is
a
voluntary
agreement,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we
continue
raising
the
bar.
A
A
A
L
L
I'm
thinking
of
that
last
meeting,
and
I
know
that
we
heard
from
the
fca
calling
for
appropriate
levels
of
intensification
in
communities.
I
know
we
heard
from
staff
noting
that
under
existing
city
policy
and
also
the
the
new
official
plan,
there
should
be
emphasis
around
ground-based
family
size
units
and
I'll
hazard.
L
While
I
think
it's
fair
to
note
that
the
community
is
not
opposed
to
intensification
or
densification,
generally,
I
heard
from
many
residents
that
they
want
their
community
to
be
family
friendly
and
recognizable
to
them
over
a
50-year
time
horizon,
and
we
heard
very
clearly
that
community
members
want
to
prioritize
the
preservation
of
the
physical
character
of
the
neighborhood
they're,
calling
for
compatible
development
that
respects
neighborhoods.
Existing
fabrics
and
they
want
appropriate
levels
of
intensification
in
in
their
community.
L
They
want
a
community
that
values
green
space
and
a
community
with
multiple
housing
types
that
supports
raising
families
in
some.
The
residents
that
I
heard
from
want
intensification
that
aligns
with
their
existing
neighborhood
and
residents.
I
know
wrote
to
all
of
us
noting
that
they
want
to
maintain
a
safe,
healthy,
livable
community
for
affordable
housing
that
suits
families
with
children
and
enables
human
connection
and
play
at
ground
level.
L
But
the
questions
that
I
pose
to
them
and
that
they're
obviously
concerned
about
is
what
is
that
fair
share
and
what
is
appropriate
in
terms
of
built
form
and
sensitive
sighting
of
this
increased
density,
particularly
in
manor
park.
North
the
long-standing
historic
character
is
essentially
ground-oriented,
as
we
know,
and
the
the
the
idea
of
citing
proposed
towers
where
they
have
been
proposed
does
not
create
an
adequately
sensitive
transition
to
the
low
rise
built
form
both
existing
and
proposed
under
this
new
redevelopment.
L
What
I've
ultimately
heard
from
residents
is
that
juxtaposition
does
not
have
to
mean
imposition
after
engaging
with
these.
Through
these
multiple
consultation
sessions,
I
issued
a
position
paper
that
underscored
residents
preferences
for
proposed
buildings
to
be
scaled
back
and
for
consideration
to
be
given
to
a
budding
neighbors.
L
As
you
know,
we
heard
interested
parties
talking
about
the
the
potential
of
smart
building
technologies.
The
integration,
smarter
integration
of
technologies
into
this
building
stock,
so
I
think
that
we
can
have
exciting
discussions
through
community
benefit
agreements.
That
would
allow
a
broad
coalition
of
residents
and
community
organizations
to
work
with
the
developer
to
address
a
broad
range
of
community
needs,
and
I'm
excited
to
be
able
to
help
facilitate
that
and
to
have
really
driven
that
that
process
with
residents
so
where
I
can
support
of
that
direction.
L
A
M
And
buy-in
from
the
community
therefore
be
resolved
that
until
that
this
matter
be
deferred
from
further
consideration
by
this
committee.
Until
one
of
the
following
scenarios
has
occurred,
one
the
applicant
and
the
counselor's
office
have
communicated
that
they
have
reached
an
agreement
on
the
development
details
of
the
application
that
has
the
support
of
the
community
or
two
that
the
applicant
or
the
counselor's
office
have
communicated
that
they
are
not
able
to
reach
agreement
and
are
not
interested
in
having
further
negotiations
on
the
details
or
three
until
a
future
meeting
of
this
committee.
A
L
Well,
we
have
undertaken
wide
consultations
through
directly
with
residents,
so
I
met
with
a
numerous
number
of
residents,
as
well
as
the
community
association,
as
well
as
a
working
the
working
group
that
has
been
constituted
and
will
grow
around
the
community
benefits
agreement.
So
we've
been
trying
to
really
have
the
widest
outreach
as
possible.
It's
not
just
the
community
association.
L
L
B
Just
on
that,
just
for
further
clarification,
though
I
understand
what
you're
saying
counselor
gower
chair
gower,
because
the
community
is
a
broad
term,
so
I
mean
I
think,
in
the
wording
of
this
motion.
You
basically
say
that
the
community
has
to
agree
or
the
community
doesn't
have
to
agree
and,
if
not
and
and
in
that
community
agreeing
or
not
agreeing
being
every
single
person
you're
only
giving
a
couple
of
months
like
I.
B
L
Well,
our
my
view
is
that
the
more
consultation
that
we
engage
in
the
closer
we
will
be
to
something
that
is
more
amenable
to
all
community
members.
So
that's
the
typical
approach
that
I
take
when,
when
I
undertake
a
consultation
with
residents,
I've
just
heard
very
clearly
from
the
majority
of
the
people
that
I've
been
trying
to
interface
with
and
as
I
would
say
that
that's
a
wide
array
of
people.
It's
not
just
a
meeting
with
the
community
association.
L
It's
also
meeting
with
residents
who
aren't
members
of
that
association
and
also
with
tenants
and
working
through
this
newly
established
working
group
that
you
know.
I
think
I've
heard
very
clearly
that
deferral
would
allow
for
more
negotiation
with
the
city
and
with
different
elements
within
the
community
to
address
their
main
concerns
around
height.
That
we've
heard
about
around
the
location
of
the
is
a
sighting
around
green
space
preservation
and
even
infrastructure
matters
such
as
storm
water
management.
B
I
I
absolutely
hear
you
counselor
king,
I'm
just
thinking
that's
a
lot
to
do
in
just
a
couple
months.
You
know
like
I'm.
I
was
thinking
that
your
the
other
process
would
that
is
going
to
be
ongoing
like
ongoing
and
ongoing.
That
might
be
your
best
way
to
get
more
buy-in,
but
anyway,
I'll
hear
what
counselor
moffat
is
you
understand
what
I'm
sort
of
saying
like?
I
just
think
that
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
it's
a
huge
thing.
You
know
in
just
a
short
period
of
time.
L
And
we
we've
been
kind
of
narrowing
a
gap
over
the
the
period
of
time
that
I've
been
working
on
this.
I
think,
though,
I
I
want
to
really
respect.
I
think
the
request
of
many
of
the
community
members
that
that
I've
heard
from
who've
overwhelmingly
said
you
know
they
still
want
to
have
a
discussion,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
driving
factor
as
well
of
the
cba,
that,
after
applications
are
approved
or
or
secondary
plans,
are
approved.
L
B
So
that,
well
that's
my
last
comment,
but
I
absolutely
100
agree
with
you
100.
I
just
think
the
other
process
is
where
that
could
happen,
though,
like
I
just
think
that
will
be
ongoing
for
so
long
that
there
will
continue
to
be
those
opportunities,
but
anyways
I'll
stop
talking,
but
I
hear
you
I
know
I
would
want
the
exact
same
for
my
for
canada.
A
Q
Thanks,
just
I'm
not
sure
I
I
see
what
the
benefit
would
be.
I
mean
we
just
heard
from
staff
that
this
opa
in
front
of
us
isn't
not
is
not
a
significant
departure
from
what
we've
approved
by
a
vote
of
21
to
2
in
the
official
plan
just
a
few
months
ago,
which
is
an
official
plan
that
we're
hoping
to
get
back
from
the
province
as
soon
as
possible.
Q
You
know
asking
for
two
months.
I
don't
know:
what's
happened
in
the
last
two
weeks
we
had.
We
were
supposed
to
have
this
file
in
front
of
us
two
weeks
ago.
I'm
not
sure
if
any
attempts
would
be
in
the
last
two
weeks
to
talk
further
before
today.
I
think
we
had
six
delegations
scheduled
for
two
weeks
ago.
Today
we
ended
up
with
with
13
delegations.
Q
It
would
make
sense
to
me
that
you
would
have
moved
deferral
at
the
very
start
of
this
meeting
if
your
intent,
the
whole
time,
was
to
go
through
it
all
just
to
move
deferral
of
an
item
that
we
know
that
you
don't
support.
So
I'm
not
sure
I
see
the
benefits.
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
an
end
goal
here
that
that
changes
anything
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
today.
I
think
to
counselor
curry's
point:
there
are
multiple
steps
through
the
future
on
this.
Q
The
next
10
15
20
30
50
years
as
this
whole
thing
gets
built
out.
I
don't
think
anything.
That's
changed
in
the
next
two
months
is
going
to
be
a
dramatic
alteration
to
what
comes
in
the
future
in
terms
the
ability
to
work
with
the
applicant
on
the
iterations
of
this
as
we
move
forward.
So
I
don't
support
deferral.