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A
A
B
I,
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
as
near
as
I
can
remember
on
item
number,
one
I
declare
a
deemed
indirect
pecuniary
interest.
He
daddy,
because
my
daughter
works
at
shepherds
of
Good
Hope
and
theoretically
they
could
bid
on
this,
which
should
not
be
enough
for
a
conflict
of
interest.
But
I
will
declare
since
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
thousand
dollars
to
get
an
opinion.
To
tell
me.
A
A
A
We
are
having
a
presentation
if
the
surplus,
federal,
real
property
for
homelessness
initiative
and
councilor,
sir
Elliot
declared
of
interest
so
we'll
hold
that
one
item
number
two
is
the
applications
from
Lois
234
O'connor
Street
of
property
does
designated
under
part
5
of
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
center
tone,
Heritage
Conservation
District,
and
they
know
that
Vice
Chair
Tammy
has
a
motion
to
defer
on
that,
but
I
think
before
you
feel
about
come
back
after
the
homeless
one
just
in
case.
Anyone
wants
to
say
anything
to
the
deferral
item.
A
3
is
the
application
to
alter
that
Bethany
Hope
Center
at
11:40,
Wellington,
Street,
West,
a
property
designated
under
part
for
the
interior,
Heritage
Act
and
we're
going
to
hold
out
for
presentation
and
I
think
that's
a
significant
property
in
that
Kelsey,
leapers
area
and
I.
Think
you
know
it's
worthy
of
station
item
em
before
the
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
580.
Mariposa
hits
a
property
designator
in
part,
five
of
the
interior,
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
wall
club
park,
Heritage
Conservation
District.
A
We
do
have
a
Katherine
and
Anthony
here
from
Fulton
and
Anthony
Bruni
or
they.
You
are
the
architect
and
you
support
this.
Do
you
need
to
speak
if
we
carry
this
item?
Okay,
so
thank
you.
Okay.
Item
carry
carry.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Item
number.
Five
is
a
designation
of
307
Richmond
Road
and
a
part
for
the
interior
Heritage
Act
I
have
no
speakers
registered.
Are
there
any
questions?
A
A
Okay,
so
is
that
item
carried?
Thank
you.
I'm
number,
seven
is
some
I
know.
I've
long
awaited
this,
and
even
before
councilor
caucus
became
the
councillor
for
the
area,
the
updated
serviceability
report
class
environmental
assessment,
official
plan
amendment.
Seventy
six
areas,
eight,
eight,
nine,
eight
nine
be
Leitrim
development
area.
We
have
no
speakers
registered
and
we're
not
having
a
presentation
that
did
take
a
very
long
time
is
very
complex
and
but
a
year
longer
than
what
we
were
initially
thinking
so
good
works
to
bring
it
together.
It
did
anybody
want
to
hold
this
item.
A
Does
it
carry?
Thank
you
and
then.
The
next
item
is
the
interest
fees
and
respect
of
deferred
municipal
development
charges
for
twelve
neon
court,
and
we
have
that
this
is
an
item
from
Council,
Rakesh
and
I.
Think
we'll
hold
that
one.
You
want
to
hold
it.
Okay,
number
nine
is
the
imitation
of
zoning
amendment
proposed
farmers
market,
you
will
Armstrong
Park
and
right,
and
we
do
have
a
speaker
so
we'll
hold
that
one.
So
we'll
go
back
to
the
first
of
the
agenda
for.
A
C
You
thank
you
good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee,
I'm
Shelley
Van,
Buskirk
I'm,
the
manager
of
the
housing
services
page
here
at
the
city
and
with
me
I
have
Syed
Zia,
who
is
the
program
manager
for
affordable
housing
unit.
So
the
report
we
have
before
you
today
is
the
surplus
federal,
real
property
for
homelessness,
initiative
or
sure
fee
as
we
like
to
call
it,
and
this
is
a
federal
program
that
provides,
makes
land
available
for
successful
proponents
to
build
affordable
and
supportive
housing.
D
Thank
You
Shelley,
so
the
surplus
federal
real
property
for
homeless
initiative.
It's
is
a
federal
funding
program
that
we've
applied
to
in
the
past,
to
purchase
properties
or
plat
for
funding
to
purchase
properties
from
the
federal
government.
In
this
case,
in
a
previous
cases
that
and
Alan's
company,
the
the
we've
done
this
twice
in
the
past
first
was
with
MacLean.
Cooperative
homes
will
be
purchased
land
on
Albion
Road
and
developed
that
or
had
that
redeveloped
into
sixty
four
apartment
units
and
townhouse
units,
which
is
now
MacLean.
Co-Op
second,
was
on
800
Montreal
Road.
D
Another
site
is
a
new
address
at
140,
Den
Haag,
that
was
more
recent
a
few
years
ago,
and
the
site's
been
recently
developed
into
a
74
unit
apartment
building
just
across
from
the
CHC
headquarters.
In
this
particular
case,
the
city
is
planning
to
make
an
application
to
the
Surfing
program
for
funding
to
acquire
the
Lions
at
289
carling
avenue,
and
if
we're
successful,
we
expect
to
issue
an
RFP
to
develop
these
lands
sometime
in
late,
2017
or
2018
domain
arm
and
when
we
would
close
and
the
property
will
be
transferred
to
the
city.
D
This
is
just
a
location
map
showing,
generally
speaking
where
the
property
is
it's
just
east
of
Dallas
Lake
on
the
north
side,
the
properties,
approximately
1270
square
meters.
Actually,
it's
exactly
1270
square
meters
and
zoned
our
5b.
So
what
we're
proposing
would
fit
within
the
within
the
existing
zoning.
D
With
respect
to
the
the
rules
from
the
federal
government
under
surfy,
currently
they're
following
the
housing
first
model,
which
is
requiring
us
to
create
what
we
call
supportive
housing,
we've
got
some
examples
here
of
recent
supportive
housing
developments
that
have
been
created
through
funding.
That
was
previously
proved
under
this
council
in
previous
councils.
The
for
example
that
we're
showing
our
42
units,
which
are
close
to
completion
on
Clementine
Boulevard.
D
This
is
with
Ottawa
Salas
32
units
with
cornerstone
housing
for
women,
which
is
located
on
booth,
suite
34
units
with
John
Howard
society
and
48
units
under
construction
and
Orleans
on
st.
Joseph
fortified
with
mom
for
Renaissance.
So
the
next
steps.
If
the
report
is
approved
by
committee
and
council,
we
expect
to
submit
the
application
this
fall
to
the
federal
government
and
depending
on
when
or
if
and
when
the
application
is
approved.
So
if
it's
approved
this
fiscal
year,
we
may
move
more
quickly.
D
E
You
for
that
overview
just
could
you
clarify
what
are
the
city
of
Ottawa's
requirements
up
and
above
the
application,
assuming
we're
successful,
I?
Think
in
your
report
states
within
5
years
there
has
to
be
a
developer
in
place
with
occupancy,
but
we
are
permitted
to
work
with
a
third
party
contractor
builder
and
they
can
Builders
can
maybe
the
owner.
What's
the
long-term
commitment
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
versus
a
private
housing
provider.
D
The
the
commitment
in
this
particular
case
would
be
the
same
whether
or
not
the
City
of
Ottawa
or
the
private
housing
provider
makes
an
application
to
the
surfeit
program.
But
the
the
commitment
is
that
the
city
through
another
party,
so
after
we
through
the
RFP
that
housing
provider
would
take
on
the
application,
provide
housing
for
a
minimum
of
15
years.
It's
not
usually
an
issue
for
us,
because
our
agreements
typically
required
that
housing
providers
provide
the
affordable
housing
for
35
years.
E
So
we
will
own
the
land,
I
mean
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
acquire
the
land
for
$1,
something
we're
successful,
and
then
we
want
to
get
going
and
almost
immediately
on
constructing
a
dwelling,
a
building,
but
are
we
going
to
then
sell
the
land
to
the
Builder
then?
And
they
become
the
new
owner?
And
what
is
our
long-term
role
with
this
property?
That's.
D
D
E
D
Never
we
have
any
other
party
currently
applying
for
this
particular
site,
so
it's
it's
only
the
city
and
typically
in
Ottawa,
the
housing
providers
will
will
wait
for
us
to
make
the
application.
Then
you
know
submit
their
applications
to
us
under
the
RFP
process,
since
we
do
control
the
funding
for
development.
Okay,.
F
You
tried
just
a
quick
question
about
process,
so
the
Canada
lands
company
has
obviously
indicated
a
willingness
to
sell
the
property,
and
do
we
have
any
positive
inclinations
at
this
stage.
Your
indications
from
the
certificate
program
that
there
might
be
money
available
for
this
or
what
kind
of
signals
have
we
gotten
this
far
there.
D
G
True
Chico,
thank
you
very
much,
first
of
all
about
process,
understandably
neighbors
hearing
about
this
for
the
first
time,
as
is
the
case
for
pretty
much,
everyone
have
concerns.
People
have
concerns
of
this
committee
about
any
new
development
in
their
neighborhood,
but
particularly
when
we
hear
supportive
housing,
housing
for
homeless,
etc.
What
is
the
standard
consultation
process
at
this
point?
We're
seeking
permission
as
a
city
to
to
acquire
the
land
the
authority
to
do
that?
Can
you
walk
us
through
what
a
standard
consultation
process
would
be?
G
D
So
typically
I'm
when
we've
made
applications
in
the
past,
they're
typically
has
not
been
any
formal
consultation
with
communities
on
the
application.
There's
no
requirement
to
consult,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
that
we
don't
need
to
consult
either.
However,
if
we
are
successful,
we
we
could.
We
could
engage
in
some
consultation
in
addition
to
what
is
required
under
the
Planning
Act,
but
normally
we,
you
know
we
would
follow
the
requirements
under
the
Planning
Act,
with
respect
to
consultation
for
a
development
of
affordable
housing.
G
So
consulting
for
authority
to
purchase
land
would
be
highly
unusual.
Is
that
right
so
yeah?
Yes,
it
would
be
so
there's
nothing
unusual
about
this
process.
To
date
we
see
images.
Would
it
be
fair
to
describe
them
as
conceptual
really
just
to
give
residents
some
idea
of
what
it
might
look
like
how
far
along
people
hate
to
know
that
it's
a
done
deal
and
the
public
consultation
later
would
be
pointless
because
you've
already
decided
what
you're
going
to
do?
Can
you
describe
where
the
city
is
at
then?
Okay,.
D
A
sort
of
conceptual
design
work
that
we
would
have
completed
to
date
was
just
to
ensure
that
the
site
could
be
developed
and
that
we
would
be
able
to.
You
know,
accommodate
a
range
of
units.
So
in
the
report
we
talk
book,
40
or
45
units.
However,
the
site
could
could
possibly
accommodate
more,
but
there
is
no
finalized
plans
for
the
site.
There's
no
design
that's
been
approved.
D
G
Am
I
correct
in
summarizing
the
current
status
as
the
hike
is
still
to
be
determined,
the
size
is
still
to
be
determined.
The
actual
developer
is
still
to
be
determined
the
type
of
occupants
the
agency
that
might
operate
it
or
all
still
to
be
determined.
So
if,
if
not,
if,
when
we
consult
with
the
public,
should
the
city
acquire
the
land?
All
of
those
are
still
open
to
to
discussion.
Correct.
D
G
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
so
on
the
item:
the
surplus,
federal,
real
property
for
homeless
initiative
as
I
carry.
Thank
you.
Everybody
so
now
on
I
want
to
jump
ahead
to
item
number
8
I
thought
that
there
was
interest
in
holding
this
but
I
had
misunderstood.
This
is
the
interest,
fees
and
respect
of
deferred
municipal
development
charges
for
12
neon
court
that
councillor
cactus
is
bringing
forward
today
and
it's
not
waiving
the
fees
but
waiving
the
interest
does
anyone
have
any
reason
to
hold.
That
is
a
carrot.
Well,
you
do.
A
A
H
Keeping
me
in
line
over
here,
alright,
so
where,
as
the
report
recommends,
refusal
of
the
application
demolish
234
Connor
Street,
the
property
located
in
the
center
to
the
Heritage,
Conservation,
District
and
desert
get
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
and
whereas
the
statutory
no
need
a
timeline
for
consideration
of
this
application.
On
your
the
Interior
Heritage
Act
works
by
on
November
6
2016
and
whereas
an
October
17th
2016,
the
application.
The
applicant
agreed
to
extend
the
statutory
90-day
time
limit
to
November
30th
2016
in
order
to
allow
them
for
the
discussion
be
resolved.
A
You
agree
with
the
motion
to
defer
to
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
we
have
amber
hi,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
gonna,
torture,
your
name
polycon,
yeah,
I.
Never
would
have
guessed
and
I
understand
that
if
we
defer
it,
you
don't
need
to
speak
to
them.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Anybody
here
want
to
speak
to
the
item
of
deferral,
the
question
of
deferral.
So
let
me
before
us
at
the
next
meeting.
Okay
is
Carrie.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
today.
A
We'll
see
you
next
time
no
I
remember
three
application
to
alter
the
Bethany
Hope
Center
at
11:40,
Wellington,
Street
West,
a
property
designated
under
part
four
of
the
interior
Heritage
Act.
We
are
gonna,
have
a
presentation
on
this
because
we
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
in
the
last
term.
That
was
it
that
you
have
started
in
the
last
term
yeah
and
here
we
are
before
us
and
so
Leslie
you're
doing
the
presentation.
I
Morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
this
presentation
is
about
the
application
to
alter
the
Bethany
Hope
Center
at
11:40
Wellington
Street
West,
which
is
a
property
designated
on
a
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
The
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
Wellington
Street,
just
west
of
Rosemont.
So
there
was
one
library
is
here
if
you're
familiar
with
that,
it
is
a
large
property.
This
image
doesn't
quite
show
the
current
condition.
I
This
is
the
North
elevation
of
the
building.
It
was
constructed
in
1924
by
the
Salvation
Army
and
was
owned
by
the
Salvation
Army
up
until
around
2013
2014.
When
it
was
sold
to
Tamarack,
it
was
designated
by
City
Council
in
2014.
After
a
long
process
through
the
Wellington
West
community
design
plan,
the
zoning
for
this
site
was
set
through
that
process.
I
Just
as
a
little
bit
of
background,
there
was
a
units
of
settlement
with
the
on
terminus
award,
Fujian
terminus
the
war
between
the
city
and
the
owner
of
the
property,
which
was
the
Salvation
Army
at
the
time
to
permit
a
13-story
building
at
the
rear
of
this
site,
as
well
as
preservation
of
the
existing
building
and
it's
front
lawn,
which
was
considered
to
be
a
heritage
attribute.
So
there
is
construction
going
on
right
now,
which
is
why
it
doesn't
look
like
it
has
much
of
a
front
Mahon,
but
it
will
be
restored
in
the
future.
I
I
I
It
also
includes
building
restoration
and
maintenance
and
I
believe
there
is
a
motion
before
the
committee
today
related
to
the
windows
which
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
construction
of
a
firewall
between
the
new
and
the
old
and
that's
required
as
a
part
of
the
building
code
because
of
the
size
of
the
building
that
is
being
added,
some
alterations
to
the
front
facade
of
the
building
to
allow
commercial
office
uses
on
the
ground
and
basement
floors
and
construction
of
a
new
entrance
along
the
west
facade.
So
this
is
the
site
plan
for
the
site.
I
The
light
gray
portion
here
is
the
existing
building,
and
this
portion
back
here
is
the
link
between
the
two.
So
there
is
a
setback
between
the
existing
building
of
this
area
here,
which
is
a
one-story
portion
with
a
terrace
on
top,
and
then
this
darker
gray
portion
is
the
13-story
portion
of
the
building.
You
can
see
here.
The
front
lawn
will
be
reinstated
with
some
walkways
and
a
gazebo
that
was
part
of
a
public
process
of
the
applicant
undertook
to
come
up
with
ideas
of
how
to
use
that
space
in
the
front.
I
This
is
the
future
proposed
north
elevation
of
the
of
the
project.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
original
building
is
retained
and
it's
already
it
is
set
back.
The
the
tower
is
set
back
from
the
original
building.
One
of
the
heritage
attributes
of
this
building
is
its
symmetrical
facade,
and
the
proposed
tower
has
attempted
to
reflect
that
character
in
terms
of
the
patterning
of
the
windows
and
the
central
feature.
I
This
is
the
East
elevation,
so
you
can
see
here
this.
This
provides
you
a
good
image
of
how
the
setback
has
been
dealt
with
from
the
from
the
tower.
So
we
have
the
entirety
of
the
original
building
a
link
here,
which
is
a
one-story
link
with
a
terrace
on
top
and
then
the
13
story
apartment
building.
This
is
the
rear
of
the
apartment
building.
So,
of
course,
you
can't
see
the
veenu
or
sorry
the
historic
building,
and
then
this
is
the
west
elevation
so
adjacent
to
the
grace
manor.
I
Here
we
have
an
addition
of
a
small
one-story
glass
link
that
will
provide
access
to
the
new
building,
but
it
is
constructed
adjacent
to
or
connected
to
the
historic
building
as
well,
but
it
is
set
back
from
the
front
facade
and
and
allows
the
original
building
to
continue
to
read
as
the
primary
feature
on
the
site.
Just
a
couple
of
perspective
images
to
give
you
an
idea-
and
here
maybe
is
a
good
time
to
talk
about
the
windows.
I
This
perspective
shows
you
is
sort
of
from
the
corner,
so
you
can
see
a
portion
of
the
front
lawn.
This
HUD
surfacing
here
is
required
as
part
of
the
emergency
access
for
the
building.
This
is
the
new
new
link
that
will
provide
access
to
the
new
building,
and
then
here
you
can
also
see
again
the
the
setback
between
the
new
and
old,
and
this
is
where
you
see
these
yellow
dots.
These
are
umbrellas
indicating
that
this
is
a
terrace.
I
So
the
recommendation
today
is
to
approve
the
application
with
the
modifications
that
include
the
the
restoration
of
the
windows
issue.
The
Heritage
permit
was
a
two-year
expiry
date
and
delegated
authority
for
minor
design
changes,
so
I
have
I
need
to
change
the
name
of
our
department.
It's
been
changed
for
a
while
and
I
first
have
had
it
to
the
planning
department
and
and
for
the
reasons
for
this
are
that
the
application
is
sensitive
to
the
character
of
the
building.
B
A
B
A
F
Thank
you,
Jerry
I,
just
wanted
to
to
make
a
brief
comment
about
this.
Thank
you
to
staff
for
the
report.
This
came
up
at
BHS,
see
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
from
all
credit
to
member
sandy
Smallwood
who
raised
the
question
of
the
windows
and
then
full
credit
to
the
applicant
who
thoughtfully
considered
the
question
and
came
back
and
agreed
that
trying
to
restore
the
original
those
made
sense.
So
it's
actually
a
good
news
story
all
round
thanks,
yeah.
A
H
I
think
it's
been
well
explained.
Salgo
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
attached
letter
and
plans
submitted
by
the
applicant
be
added
to
the
report
as
document
9
and
to
recommendation
to
be
deleted
and
recommendation
1
be
replaced
with
the
following
approved
the
application
to
alter
Bethany
Hope
Center
1140
Wellington
Street
West.
According
to
the
plan
submitted
by
Barry
J
Hoban
and
Associates
Architects
Inc
on
September
8th
2016
as
document
4
5
&,
6
and
amended
by
document
9,
as
submitted
on
October
21st
2016,
as
conditional
on
approval
of
the
other
required
planning
application.
A
H
A
E
I,
thank
you.
Madam
chair
read
the
record
I
appreciate
the
local
counselor
counselor
cactus
bring
this
forward
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
standing.
The
frequency
of
these
types
of
issues
this
from
what
I
understand,
is
fairly
unique.
But
there
was
a
public
I,
don't
want
to
say
public
consultation,
but
the
development
community
was
consulted.
There
was
some
engagement
from
the
city
model
in
this
matter
and
not
a
private
developer.
E
Their
homeowner
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
whether
or
not
if
this
is
approved,
whether
we're
opening
ourselves
up
to
other
requests
for
other
similar
circumstances.
I
know
when
I
first
took
took
office.
A
well-known
lobbyist
came
to
me
and
said
there
was
a
developer
in
my
Ward
who,
whose
application
had
been
delayed
for
a
number
of
reasons
in
2014
and
because
the
DC's
had
changed,
had
to
pay
an
additional
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
I.
E
Think
I
met
with
you
and
members
of
planning
staff
and
ultimately,
I
decided
not
to
bring
it
here,
because
there
was
no
fault
of
the
City
of
Ottawa,
and
so
this
is
a
very
nominal
amount.
But
my
question
to
staff
is:
are
we
opening
ourselves
up
for
others
to
step
forward
and
ask
for
the
same
type
of
relief.
J
Chair,
of
course,
each
particular
application
stands
on.
Its
own
committee
may
remember:
I
actually
complained
unto
the
development
charges
act
in
the
spring
on
Armstrong,
as
I
recall,
where
it
was
somewhat
similar.
They
were
seeking
a
waiver
of
the
entire
charge
and
in
that
case,
committing
council
upheld
the
staff
position
and
denied.
The
complaint
in
this
case
is
somewhat
different.
They're
only
seeking
waiver
of
the
interest
charge,
I
have
to
say
I,
don't
recall
a
similar
request
coming
up
in
the
past.
J
F
B
A
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Malka.
I
am
the
vice
president
of
the
Ottawa
Farmers
Market
Association
I.
Believe
I've
spoken
to
you
folks
in
the
past
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
emotion,
mostly
I,
won't
take
too
much
time.
Just
remind
you
what
the
Ottawa
Farmers
Market
Association
is
all
about.
We
have
135
members
about
60
to
70
%
of
those
members
are
primary
producers
ie
they
are
growers.
There
are
farmers
all
within
100
kilometers
of
the
City
of
Ottawa.
So
all
our
members
are
local,
whether
they're
farmers
or
secondary
producers
or
crafters.
K
All
our
members
produce
what
they
sell.
We
do
not
allow
any
resale
of
product
in
our
you
know,
farmers
markets-
that
is
a
point.
I
want
to
make
very
very
clear.
This
year
we
operated
three
markets
around
the
city,
one
in
Orleans
that
we
started
just
this
past
year,
obviously
at
Lansdowne,
Park
and
another
at
the
Westborough
location
in
the
linear
park
at
byron.
K
That
is
consistent
with
what
other
studies
across
North
America
have
found
that
anywhere
from
sixty
five
cents
at
the
low
end
to
three
dollars
at
the
high
end
of
the
economic
impact
of
farmers
markets.
So,
although
it
seems
like
you
know,
were
there
to
ensure
that
our
members
have
access
to
markets
and
we're
there
to
ensure
that
customers
have
easy
access
to
the
goods
that
our
market
sells.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
might
have.
B
K
We
are
being
approached
by
so
I'll
answer.
The
second
part,
first
we're
being
approached
by
oh
by
portions
of
the
city
in
councilor
cadres
war.
We
were
approached
by
the
the
Community
Association
to
say:
hey.
We
would
like
a
farmers
market
and
we've
been
working
with
the
counselor
to
try
to
make
that
happen
for
next
year.
In
the
case
of
Riverside
South,
we
were
approached
by
by
Councillor
package,
so
we
aren't
out
searching
for
places
to
have
farmers
markets.
Although.
K
At
the
Lansdowne
market
we
had
hoped
that
it
would
be
larger
than
it
was,
and
originally
it
was
planned
to
be
a
larger
market,
so
we
could
accommodate
more
of
our
members
and,
in
fact,
grow
our
membership.
So
there
is
some
pressure
on
us
to
provide
the
environments
where
our
members
can
vend
their
products
to
the
public
and
we
can't
grow
at
Landsdowne.
So
the
only
way
we
can
grow
is
other
locations,
but
we
haven't
been
actively
out
there
seeking
other
locations.
In
fact,
the
communities
are
coming
to
us.
I.
K
K
B
B
A
And
you
notices
of
motion,
this
is
like
it's
like
close
to
a
record
or
something
everybody
usually
when
we
have
a
time
like
this,
we
get
really
off
track
on
something
of
interest,
but
don't
try.
No.
What
if
I
notice
is
emotion,
none
any
increase,
other
business,
no,
so
we're
adjourned,
and
our
next
meeting
is
November.
The
8th,
which
is
the
night
before
Costco,
opens
embarked.
Even
you
know
just
saying,
and
it
also
is
the
election
in
the
American
this
yet,
but
but
I'm
sorry,
but
in
bargain
is
more
important.
That
Glasgow
is
opening.