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Special Planning Committee meeting - 4 October 2021
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Okay,
so
let's
see
who
we
got,
we
have.
I
need
some
more
cameras
on.
Actually
you
know
what
I
have
corn,
so
I'm
just
gonna
go
so
welcome
back
to
our
planning
committee
meeting
that
we
held
for
less
than
about
a
minute
on
friday
night
after
our
10
hour
and
45
minute
meeting
of
joint
meeting
of
planning
and
build
here
subcommittee.
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B
F
B
B
So
we
left
off
sort
of
item
number
one
here
on
our
agenda
and
we
left
off
where
we're
at
questions
to
staff.
So
I
won't
rehash
everything
that
we
did
on
friday,
but
we'll
go
right
to
questions
to
staff.
So
I
believe
everything
we
need
here
is
here
just
looking
around
at
the
names
on
my
screen,
leslie
collins
is
here:
sean
moore
would
be
in
that
p-I-e-d
screen.
I
imagine
when
the
time
comes.
D
Thanks
very
much
chair
yeah,
it
was
a
good
meeting
on
friday
and
some
of
the
questions
got
answered
throughout
the
day
as
delegations
were
there
and
by
the
hospital
as
well.
But
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions
that
remain
and
hoping
to
go
through
that
that
list
now
I
may
not
be
able
to
do
it
all
in
my
five-minute
timeline
here.
So
I
may
come
back
on
see
your
discretion.
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F
Mr
chair,
the
parking
structure
that
will
come
forward
as
the
first
phase
will
have
the
the
details
on
how
far
below
existing
grade,
but
the
the
first
level
of
the
parkade
will
be.
I'm
hearing
should
be
below
the
existing
grade,
so
the
details
will
come
forward
in
the
implementing
site
plan,
the
other
aspects
of
recessed
or
underground.
Well,
there's
the
main
when
you
come
up
to
the
main
road
internal
road
to
the
hospital.
F
There's
a
emergency
drop-off,
that's
underground,
which
matches
the
grade
of
the
emergency
services
area
and
then
other
areas
are
more
recessed
and
burned.
So
the
loading
docks
off
of
prince
of
wales
are
would
be
below
the
prince
of
wales,
elevation
with
the
existing
with
burme
and
landscaping
that
a
lot
of
retention
will
happen
in
there.
So
it's
not
underground
and
then
at
the
back
of
the
hospital
with
the
composite
util
or
the.
If
it
comes
to
utility
the
the
plant
and
the
parking
area.
F
D
F
D
You
for
that,
I'm
going
to
ask
eric
if
you
can
just
bring
up
slide
this,
send
you
a
few
slides
today.
You
did
acknowledge
them.
Thank
you,
for
that.
Now
is
a
good
time
to
bring
them
up
and
they
go
through
just
planning
committee
members
to
indulge
me.
They
go
through
the
site
plan
as
it
is
now
and
then
a
previous
site
plan
submission
for
the
hybrid
model
that
was
being
floated
heavily
at
the
conceptual
conceptual
stage.
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D
D
D
Why
didn't
we
push
for
better
to
get
them
to
take
up
less
of
the
site?
As
we've
seen,
many
modern
hospitals
across
the
world
do
integrate
with
our
multi-billion
transit
system
to
achieve
better
results
in
our
transportation
impact
assessment.
Tdm
get
those
buildings
closer
to
carling,
like
they
had
recommended
for
mobility
purposes.
We've
had
accessibility,
advocates,
reach
out
from
the
auto
disability
coalition
and
also
say
because
of
how
far
they
are
away
from
carling.
This
poses
a
big
impediment
and
a
big
challenge
for
people
with
disabilities.
G
So
chair
I'll
start
answering
and
then
sean
will
add
to
what
I
have
to
say.
First
and
foremost,
we
explored
at
length
the
possibility
of
connecting
the
station
on
the
south
side
of
carling
and
it
is
not
technically
feasible
for
two
reasons.
The
dao's
lake
station
cannot
be
moved
south
of
carling
because
as
south
of
curling,
the
track
begins
to
curve
and
it
begins
to
move
downwards,
and
you
cannot
put
an
lrt
station
on
a
stretch
of
track
that
curves
or
goes
downwards.
G
It
has
to
be
on
a
flat
area,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
the
dallas
lake
station
also
serves
the
population
of
considerable
intensification
north
of
carling
avenue,
so
that
was
not
feasible.
So
then
we
switched
to
focus
on
integration
so
which
is
not
without
moving
the
station,
and
we
continue
to
protect
for
opportunities
for
below
grade
tunnels
or
bridge
across
carling
so
that
it
can
have
that
integration.
G
G
This
is
a
question
that
would
have
been
good
for
the
applicant
and
they
are
on
the
line
if
the
chair
wishes
to
have
them
answer
the
question
this
configuration
shown
in
the
slide
was
completely
not
functional
from
a
hospital
operations
point
of
view
and
when
they
ran
this
design
through
the
medical
practitioners
and
experts
who
run
the
hospital,
it
was
rejected
by
them
as
a
design
for
organizing
the
hospital
and
pose
all
kinds
of
operational
difficulties.
I'm
not
a
medical
expert
I'd.
Rather
the
hospital
explain
that
to
you.
G
The
staff
at
the
city
of
ottawa
and
the
national
capital
commission
have
caused
the
hospital
to
make
numerous
design
changes
to
better,
embrace
the
configuration
of
the
site
and
I'll.
Let
sean
walk
you
through
them.
There
have
been
efforts
at
both
agencies,
both
the
city
and
the
ncc,
to
improve
the
design,
and
we
continue
to
do
that
and
will
continue
to
do
that
and
with
the
council
motions
before
us.
Should
they
be
passed
we'll
can
we
have
further
direction
from
the
from
council
on
reducing
the
surface
parking
lot
impact
and
other
integration
matters
so
chair?
G
D
Thank
you
for
that.
I
do,
and
I
wanted
that's
why
I
prefaced
that.
I
know
that
each
site
plan
has
its
challenges
for
either
the
the
proponent
or
for
us
at
the
city
level.
But
the
one
we're
ending
up
with
is
a
challenge
given
how
far
it
is
away
from
our
lrt.
It
doesn't
need
to
go
into
the
building
and
those
buildings
can
be
designed
differently.
Where
there's
a
straight
function,
not
have
to
be
that
donut
function
closer
to
carlin.
D
That's
just
what
you
when
you
go
to
a
hospital,
a
lot
of
people
say
I
don't
want
to
pay
for
the
parking
I'm
going
to
park
close
by.
You
know
you
think
about
smythe
clan
clutches
will
know
this
well.
Of
course,
people
park
off-site
and
they
walk
over
right.
So
they're
gonna
be
doing
that
in
this
area
as
well.
So
but
we
said
before
we
lift
the
holding
condition,
which
is
what
we're
debating
here
today.
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F
We
we
walk
through
the
master
plan
and
staff
are
in
a
position
to
recommend
that
we
lift
the
h
and
we've
replaced
the
h
in
some
cases,
with
conditions
now
of
master
plan
approval.
So,
although
the
master
plan
can
demonstrate
that
nothing
precludes
the
connectivity,
it's
the
how
we've
condit
we
put
the
conditions
in
and
document
five
of
our
report,
which
which
would
go
further.
So
each
each
site
plan
that
comes
forward
now
is
conditioned.
So
it's
rolled
into.
In
some
cases.
It's
addressed
in
some
cases.
F
It's
rolled
into
a
particular
condition
to
see
how
the
details
come
out.
We
have
to
also
think
back.
This
is
the
this
is
the
master
plan.
It's
not
a
detailed
site
plan
in
some
respects,
although
the
applicant
has
has
gone
into
into
many
details
on
dimensions
and
so
forth,
but
because
it's
the
the
master
plan
level,
it's
demonstrating
at
a
level
to
staff
that
we
are
comfortable,
it
can
be
achieved
and
now
we're
conditioning
the
the
how
and
the
detail
through
through
the
implementing
site
plans.
Okay,
thank.
D
You,
I
think,
that's
it.
That's
helpful
detail,
because
that
new
hospital
area
designation
policy
that
we
had
discussed
by
well,
we
weren't-
I
wasn't
there
but
june
2018
previous
council
was
specific.
This
was
for
the
the
master
site
plan
right
so
that
that's
it's
helpful.
Some
of
these,
I
think,
will
be
held
over
to
other
site
plans,
but
some
of
them
still
not
met
in
from
what
we
said.
We
were
gonna
do
for
the
master
site
plan
itself.
So
chair.
B
D
D
D
G
So
chair,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
treasure
to
answer
that
question,
but
I
want
to
go
back
to
what's
before
council
today.
What's
before,
council
today
is
an
approval
under
the
planning
act.
We
don't
put
costing
information
on
projects
that
are
not
municipal
projects
in
planning
reports,
but
that
being
said,
the
question
is
there
and
I
will
ask
the
treasurer
to
respond
on
the
municipal
contribution.
E
Well,
thanks
very
much
and
thanks
counselor
for
the
question.
As
we
heard
from
the
hospital
on
friday,
they
have
identified
what
they
call
a
local
contribution
for
their
overall
funding
for
the
project
and
that's
a
combination
of
I'm
going
to
say
a
very
considerable
fundraising
campaign,
as
well
as
retail
and
parking
revenues
and
contributions.
As
I
understand,
from
local
companies
and
contractors,
sort
of
in-kind
services,
and
at
this
time
the
city
hasn't
identified.
E
B
D
B
We
can
just
do
the
directions
when
we
run
through
all
the
motions.
I
think
people
are
aware
of
the
direction
because
we
did
talk
about
it
with
the
royal
astronomical
society
of
canada
a
few
days
ago,
but
we'll
go
through
that
we'll
reintroduce
all
the
motions
formally
and
then
you
can
put
forward
the
direction
at
that
time.
Okay,.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
chair,
I'm
not
going
to
get
extensively
into
the
site
plan
this
morning.
I
think
you
know
my
colleagues
have
seen
some
of
what
I've
written
and
I
still
have
the
same
position
today
as
when
this
was
first
proposed.
I
I
believe
it
is
a
mistake
to
put
an
above
ground
parking
garage
in
queen
juliana
park
and
I'm
cynical
that
that
space
atop
the
garage
is
going
to
be
replacement
public
realm
for
the
the
space
that
we'll
be
losing.
A
I'm
also
concerned
this
morning
about
the
transit
connection
that
we
don't
yet
have
a
good
idea
of
how
that's
going
to
be
accomplished,
and
it
feels
like
we
keep
kicking
that
can
down
the
road
and
I'm
I'm
concerned
that
in
a
few
years
we're
going
to
say
we
we
just
can't
afford
to
do
it
that
it's
technically
infeasible.
I'm
really
pleased
that
the
staff-
and
I
trust
staff
are
telling
us
that
it
is
going
to
be
possible.
A
But
that
doesn't
mean
it's
going
to
be
implemented
today
and
I
I
believe
that
we
should
be
only
moving
ahead
with
this
site
plan
approval
when
that
is
nailed
down
and
and
much
more
concrete.
But
my
sense,
of
course,
is
that
this
is
going
to
move
ahead,
regardless
of
those
two
considerations,
I'm
I'm
not
seeking
to
have
the
hospital
location
moved.
A
That
said,
I
I
do
get
the
sense
that
many
of
the
motions
that
several
of
the
counselors,
including
myself,
have
put
forward,
are
going
to
pass
and
that
will
mitigate
some
of
the
impacts
that
this
does
move
forward,
and
I
did
want
to
ask
mr
willis
or
sean
what
what
is
the
effect.
In
your
view
of
the
motion
that
I
have
brought
forward,
I've
put
a
motion
forward
that
speaks
to
a
neighborhood
traffic
study
with
a
certain
scope
that
looks
at
parking.
A
G
I'm
going
to
share
I'm
going
to
start
answering
and
then
sean's
going
to
add
to
this
because
sean's
been
working
in
these
details
more
directly,
listen
sure
many
counselors
in
the
area
have
raised
this
issue,
as
have
the
community
associations,
and
we
take
those
concerns
very
seriously.
When
you
put
a
facility
this
significant
in
any
area,
it
will
have
traffic
implications.
G
That
would
normally
happen,
but
the
hospital
already
is
a
big
generator,
but
the
counselor
we
work
with
the
counselor
and
staff
support
the
motion,
the
counselors,
bringing
forward
because
it
is
focused
on
those
very
localized
impacts
such
as
cut
through
traffic
and
parking,
and
what
we
would
do
in
the
next
phase
is
the
hospital
has
agreed
to
set
up
a
community
advisory
committee
on
parking.
We
recommend
the
hospital
retain
a
consultant
to
develop
a
study
that
city
staff,
mr
giampa's
team
will
will
provide
input.
F
Mr
chair,
I
would
only
I
would
only
add
that
that
this
isn't
a
kind
of
a
one
and
done
where
we
have
a
developer,
doing
a
tia
or
traffic
impact
assessment
and
walking
away.
We
we
have
the
opportunity
at
each
phase
to
to
go
back
and
kind
of
truth
test
the
findings
and
recommendations
of
the
traffic
study.
So
your
your
motion,
well,
coupled
with
the
conditions
that
we
have
in
the
master
plan,
will
allow
staff
to
to
to
not
only
review
that
transportation
study.
F
Look
at
traffic
neighborhood
impact
study
work
with
the
community,
but
on
subsequent
phases
for
implementation,
like
for,
for
example,
after
the
hospital
building,
when
a
research
building
comes
forward,
we'll
have
the
ability
to
then
go
out
and
have
a
tia
completed
a
traffic
study
and
see
what
is
actually
what's
happening
through
monitoring
with
the
opening
of
the
hospital.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
iterative
process,
as
this
master
plan
builds
out
to
see
the
evolution
of
traffic
and
kind
of
go
back
and
keep
truth.
Testing.
A
But
there
might
be
things
like
intersection,
narrowings
with
planters
that
are
required
in
order
to
really
dissuade
traffic,
and
my
motion
speaks
to
the
city,
making
a
decision
that
that
needs
to
be
done
and
that
the
hospital
will
fund
it.
There's
all
kinds
of
planters
that
I
would
love
to
put
all
over
the
world,
and
I
can't
afford
them
they're
remarkably
expensive
for
a
counselor's
traffic
calming
budget.
But
in
the
context
of
this
hospital
project
they
shouldn't
be
that
expensive.
G
So
chair,
I
think,
with
the
motion
as
it
stands.
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
because
we're
proving
the
master
plan
today
when
we
approve
the
site
plan
for
the
main
hospital
building.
We
can.
We
can
work
on
conditions
of
approval
that
allocate
who's
responsible
for
what
you
know,
things
that
are
related
to
general
traffic
growth
in
the
city
are
not
the
responsibility
of
the
hospital,
but
things
that
can
be
attributed
to
the
hospital
operations.
A
The
the
final
part
of
my
motion
was
with
respect
to
moving
the
h
sign.
This
has
been
a
six
odyssey
for
the
community
and
myself
and
and
for
the
city,
when
you
are
eastbound
approaching
downtown
the
quickest
way
to
get
to
the
hospital
and
the
least
impactful
way
to
get
to
the
hospital
is
to
get
off
the
carbon
kirkwood
and
take
carlin
as
a
straight
shot.
The
signage
indicates
people
should
be
getting
off
at
parkdale,
which
is
very
clogged
and
and
a
residential
street.
G
So
chair,
I
don't
know
if
mr
landry's,
on
the
call-
and
so
if
I'll
start-
and
I
get
it
wrong-
someone
from
transportation
services
can
correct
me.
So
the
province
is
the
responsible
entity
that
makes
the
decision
on
signage
and
it
works
with
local
users
to
identify
this.
What
we
had
suggested
in
the
wording
of
the
motion
is
that
the
city
staff
in
collaboration
of
the
hospital
will
approach
the
province
jointly
and
make
joint
application
to
move
that
signage,
because
we
agree
with
the
council.
Those
are
reasonable.
G
That's
a
reasonable
asset
committee
is
looking
for
and
as
necessary.
We'll
report
back
to
council
on
the
progress
on
this,
but
ultimately
the
province
is
the
approval
authority
on
that,
and
I
think
the
motion
before
council
is
a
pretty
strong
indicator
and
I
think
you
know
if
we
were
writing
a
lot
of
the
province
attached
council's
motion.
I
think
that's
how's
weight.
A
Okay,
no
I'll
take
that
as
encouraging
one
of
the
concerns
in
council
bernard
raised
as
well
was
with
respect
to
cycling
infrastructure.
During
our
discussion
on
friday,
it
was
raised
that
you
know
a
standard
cycle
track
of.
However,
you
know,
1.8
meters
or
two
meters
is-
is
not
necessarily
going
to
be
wide
enough
in
order
to
accommodate
the
kind
of
traffic
that
we
currently
see
through
this
site.
A
F
Yeah
mr
chair
I'd,
have
to
I
can
take
a
look
at
the
cross
section
that
we
have
on
the
master
plan
right
now,
but
we
certainly
have
the
three
meters
three
meters
showing
for
the
cycle
facility
in
the
master
plan
level.
There
there's
always
room.
I
mean
we
again.
I
I
sorry
to
repeat
myself.
I
don't
mean
to
I
know
you
know
this,
but
the
you
know
at
the
master
plan
level
we're
kind
of
a
bit
higher,
so
there's
always
room
at
the
the
site.
F
The
individual
site
plan
applications
to
work
out
more
fine-grained
detail
and
if
there's
more
room
and
within
the
right-of-way
to
to
create
a
wider
mop
or
cycling
facility,
we'll
certainly
work
with
council
or
councillors,
the
ward
councillor
yourself
to
the
bike
groups
and
residents
on
the
the
details
of
of
the
cycling
facility
in
the
the
implementing
state
phases.
So
we
can
take
that
away
and
see
what
room
there
is
to
to
to
play
with
and
note
that.
A
C
E
Hi
there
can
everybody
hear
me
so,
basically,
it's
just
it
will
just
be
the
same
as
what
we
have
in
other
site
plans.
Where
there's,
I
think
it's
something
like
a
two-year
warranty
period
and
so
that
that'll
be
monitored
by
the
landscapers
that
put
this
in
and
and
replaced
as
necessary.
Sean
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
if
it's
actually
three
years,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
normally
two
or
three.
But
the
thing
here
is
that
the
hospital-
and
I
recognize
that's
a
short
period.
C
G
So
chair,
maybe
I'll,
take
a
first
cut
and
then
martha
can
correct
me
if
I
do
make
a
misstep
so
typically
in
development
projects,
we
hold
securities
on
the
implementation
of
city
conditions,
and
this
is
also
part
of
what
we
would
use
if
the
proponent
doesn't
take
action
on
their
own.
The
city
can
take
action
now.
G
Public
institution
we're
dealing
with
a
hospital,
it's
a
very
different
than
dealing
with
private
developer
and
as
martha
says,
that
part
of
the
hospital's
ethos
in
designing
the
site
is
to
create
a
landscape
setting
for
their
patients
and
the
visitors.
So
I
I
think
we're
dealing
with
a
different
player
here,
but
we
certainly
the
the
landscape
architect,
who
signs
the
plans
for
the
implementation
of
the
landscape,
has
a
professional
responsibility
to
ensure
that
responsible
and
they
generally
file
their
reports
back
to
the
owner
on
this,
and
those
are
generally
again
shared
with
us.
G
C
Have
seen
recently
trees
on
public
property
that
have
not
been
maintained
that
have
died
that
have
not
had
the
care
that
they
need
that
many
people
walk
by
or
cycle
by
and
come
to
our
attention.
So
yeah
I
mean
if
a
direction
mr
willis,
you
think
is,
is
a
good
way
to
go.
I
want
to
provide
that
because
I
want
to
ensure
that
if
2500
trees
are
planted,
we
get
2500
trees
and
we
have
to
accept
yes,
some
may
die,
but
that
there
will
be
an
effort
to
replace
those
trees
and
nurture
them.
G
Jerry,
I
I
recommend
to
committee
that
this
is
actually
pretty
simple
just
if
there,
if
commit
just,
gives
us
the
department
direction
to
develop
a
monitoring
plan
in
conjunction
with
the
hospital
prior
to
the
main
hospital
building
site
plan.
We
can
take
that
action
right
away
and
I'm
confident
the
hospital
will
have
no
concerns
with
with
developing
a
monitoring
plan.
C
Excellent,
very
well:
can
we
now
have
a
staff
comment
on
what
the
plan
is
for
the
transit
station
we've
heard
from
the
proponent,
when
I
asked
underground
tunnel
overhead
bridge
no
station
on
the
south
side?
When
will
this
decision
be
made
and
how
will
either
the
transit
commission
or
council
be
engaged
going
forward.
G
So
chair,
mr
scrimger's
away
today,
so
ms
stevens
is
available
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
mr,
we
spent
much
of
the
weekend
discussing
this,
and
I've
also
been
working
with
michael
morgan
as
well
on
this
issue.
So
we
know
today,
based
on
the
information
we
have
today,
that
underground
connections
are
feasible
above
grade,
bridge
connections
are
feasible.
The
plan
is
being
designed,
so
any
of
these
can
be
done
now.
G
The
there
is
some
complexity
on
trying
to
tie
in
the
dells
like
station
beneath
the
existing
curling
bridge
to
it
today
and
that's
where
an
engineering
issue,
we
need
more
detail
with
the
next
site
plan
to
see
if
we
can
confirm
that
that's
possible
or
not.
We
do
know
that
the
cheapest
and
fastest
to
implement
is
actually
an
overhead
bridge
across
carling,
which
has
a
lot
of
benefits.
G
It
would
be
connected
by
elevators
for
accessibility
reasons,
as
many
of
our
stations
are,
and
that
may
be
the
simplest
and
fastest
way
to
give
everybody
surety
that
it
can
happen,
but
we're
still
exploring
the
underground
option
as
a
possibility.
I
I
don't
actually
believe
one
is
better
than
the
other
there's.
They
both
have
advantages
the
advantage
of
a
bridge
across
carling.
G
As
I
said,
it's
quick
to
build
cheapest
to
build,
and
it
actually
would
afford
some
really
lovely
views
and
it
would
give
people
coming
out
of
the
transit
system,
a
a
real,
a
sense
of
place,
and
it
could
be
quite
an
interesting
design.
The
below-grade
connection
will
will,
as
I
said,
require
some
further
engineering
work
to
understand
it.
C
C
F
Mr
chair,
I
can-
I
can
start
with
that.
I
think
we
have
to
staff
are
very
we're
very
supportive
of
the
transit-oriented
development
opportunities
of
this
site,
and
so
starting
off
with
that.
We,
the
zoning,
does
have
a
minimum
and
a
maximum
parking
recognizing
that
it's
at
the
confluence
of
the
trillium
line
and
the
car
lean
high
priority
transit.
F
We,
the
cities,
have
invested
heavily
in
transit,
and
I
think
this
is
the
right
decision
for
staff
to
move
forward
and
kind
of,
although
it's
coming
from
toh
but
partnering
them
on
this
on
this
transportation
demand
management
to
help
leverage
these
opportunities
here
and
as
the
site
as
the
site
grows.
Other
we'll
see
other
trends
and
there
could
be
other
opportunities
on
the
property,
but
I
think
from
right
now.
I
think
this
is
the
way
staff
are
very
comfortable
proceeding.
G
And-
and
mr
chair
may
I
add,
just
a
couple
quick
comments.
So
if
we
read
the
motion,
that's
before
committee
to
continue
to
grind
down
the
size
of
the
surface
parking
lots
and
though
that
could
be
finding
ways
to
underground
the
parking
so
that
we
don't
lose
any
parking
it
could
be,
it
could
come
out
in
a
different
way,
but
if
it
actually
arrived
at
a
number
below
the
minimum
parking,
the
hospital
may
be
back
before
the
committee
of
adjustment
or
planning
committee
for
relief
from
the
zoning
requirements
if
they
go
below
the
minimum.
G
That's
just
a
caution
of
the
motion
in
front
of
you.
Staff
still
support
the
motion,
but
you
should
be
aware
of
that.
The
second
thing
is:
if,
through
the
monitoring
work,
we
do
through
the
counselor
lee
promotion
shows
that
off-site
parking
becomes
a
bigger
issue.
We
probably
should
be
more
permissive
of
the
private
development
sites
in
and
around
the
hospital
that
will
have
redevelopment
rights
through
the
preston
carling
secondary
plan
to
to
go
beyond
their
their
minimums
of
parking
if
they
find
that
it's
a
business
case
to
do
so.
C
C
The
federal
government
and
planning
department
have
always
said
there
is
no
intent
to
widen
the
street
we've
heard
through
public
delegations
concerns
that
prince
of
wales,
which
is
one
lane
going
through.
My
ward,
may
be
widened
to
accommodate
future
traffic
demand
to
get
to
and
from
the
hospital.
What
does
the
city
of
ottawa?
What
is
the
city
of
ottawa,
considering
with
respect
to
the
roads
that
the
arterials
that
serve
in
and
around
the
this
location
going
forward?
Can
we
maintain
them
as
one
lanes
both
fisher
and
prince
of
wales,.
G
G
Not
the
hospital
shifting
and
moving
1500
meters
to
the
east
is
really
not
going
to
change
that
dynamic,
and
so
the
hospital
in
and
of
itself
moving
locations
does
not
create
the
preconditions
that
would
cause
us
to
look
at
that,
and
certainly
in
the
official
plan
we
looked
at
the
fissure
between
baseline
and
curling
and
don't
want
to
be
widening
that
that's
one
of
the
matters
we're
addressing
in
the
in
the
official
plan.
So
it
really
becomes
about
network
growth
and
that's
what
the
next
transportation
master
plan
has
to
look
at
on.
G
A
citywide
basis
is
on
network
growth,
but
lately
the
city
is
putting
more
effort
into
investing
in
transit
infrastructure
such
as
the
carling
bus
priority
corridor,
the
baseline
corridor,
the
la
in
line
two.
So
it's
not
been
the
city's
plan
to
be
widening
roads.
That's
not
the
choices
we've
been
making,
so
I
don't
see
a
scenario
in
my
mind
where,
where
the
tmp
is
going
to
be
pointing
that
direction,
but
I
I
have
to
let
that
process
play
out
in
a
couple
of
years,
but
it's
network
growth,
not
hospital
generated
growth.
G
That's
correct,
mr
jampa
has
looked
at
this
and
if
he
can,
he
can
can
virtually
kick
me
under
the
table
as
I'm
making
a
commitment
on
behalf
of
the
department.
But
it
is,
you
know.
The
network
that
exists
today
will
support
the
future
growth.
The
hospital
there
may
be
intersection,
modifications,
minor
modifications,
but
they're,
not
we're
not
looking
at
widenings
because
of
the
hospital.
C
All
right,
thank
you
and
my
last
question
now
for
this
time,
chair
is
about
the
park
the
proposed
park
on
the
six
acre,
I'm
not
sure
if
people
know
it's,
six
acres
is
the
area
of
the
garage
roof,
which
is
huge,
assuming
the
hospital
is
responsible
for
the
design
and
development
of
the
park,
the
green
space,
the
amenities
no
one's
mentioned,
the
tennis
courts.
The
deal
all
the
work
to
save
the
the
the
tennis
club,
the
tennis
club.
That's
on
the
grounds
is
relocating
on
top
of
the
garage.
C
C
G
So
so
chair,
this
is
a
privately
operated
public
space.
In
the
context
of
the
city's
official
plan,
the
hospital
has
responsibility
for
maintenance
and
they
are
working
with
partners
in
the
area
who
are
already
operating
space,
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
hospital,
but
they
do
they
do
have
partners
lined
up.
We
believe
to
do
the
maintenance
for
them.
C
D
We
heard
on
friday
about
the
environmental
impact
assessment.
I
understand,
there's
another
order
of
government.
That
would
do
this,
but
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
whether
or
not
this
was
going
to
be
done
for
this
site.
So
if
we
could
just
get
clarity
from
staff,
is
an
environmental
impact
assessment
going
to
be
done
for
the
site?
When
is
that
looking
to
be
done?
Will
it
be
before
or
after
the
parking
garage
is
proposed
to
be
constructed
just
next
year?.
F
Mr
chair,
the
because
it's
federal
land
there's
a
federal
effects,
determination
which
does
an
environmental
effects,
analysis
which
I
think
the
terminology
bode
environmental
assessment.
It's
it's
more
or
less
the
same
thing,
so
they
have
to
do
an
environmental
effects
analysis
and
through
the
federal
regulations
they
didn't
have
to
do
one
for
the
master
plan,
because
the
master
plan
didn't
result
in
shovels
in
the
ground.
So
they
have
to
do
one
for
submission
of
the
one
any
implementing
plan.
F
So
the
first
phase,
one
implementation
site
plan,
the
applicant,
the
auto
hospital-
has
to
prepare
this
environmental
effects.
Analysis
and
they're
going
to
combine
it
with
the
city's
requirements
for
our
municipal
requirements
for
our
environmental
impact
statement.
So
there's
gonna
be
one
report
that
covers
both
municipal
jurisdiction
and
federal
jurisdiction,
jurisdiction
and
that
will
come
forward
as
a
required
report
that
the
ncc
will
review
and
that
the
city
will
review
for
our
our
our
component,
which
is
the
environmental
impact
statement
of
that
report.
On
the
first
phase,
one
implementation.
D
F
D
Okay,
thank
you.
If
that
comes
back
and
it
finds
issues
or
problems,
I
assume
the
city.
The
federal
government
can
hold
off
on
the
construction
of
the
parking
garage
if
there
are,
if
there
are
issues
that
finds
to
stay
with
water
table
the
effect
of
dallas
lake,
our
heritage
resources.
That
sort
of
thing
is
that
the
case.
F
So,
mr
chair,
won't
it
won't
be
looking
at
the
heritage
resources,
but
I
can
only
speak
to
the
municipal
aspect.
We've
had
the
environmental
impact
statements
submitted
for
the
master
plan
and
there's
nothing
in,
although
we're
conditioned,
we
have
conditions
for
certain
aspects
of
that
moving
forward.
There's
nothing
in
the
our
environmental
impact
statement.
That
is
saying
the
master
plan
can't
go
forward,
it's
more
than
mitigation
of
certain
certain
aspects
and
and
follow
up
with
a
province
on
species
at
risk
and
those
sorts.
F
D
Okay,
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
this
is
a
very
interesting
site,
huge
changes
in
topography,
obviously
the
the
fault
lines
underneath
things
that
could
really
affect
the
potential
here
so-
and
I
saw
this
statement
but,
as
we
heard
from
a
delegation,
there's
more
required
there
and
that's
confirmed
today,
so
I
appreciate
that
one
of
the
other
delegations
had
raised
chair
the
that
the
traffic
study
done
thus
far.
The
impact
assessment
did
not
take
into
consideration
many
other
many
other
large
developments
north
of
karling
and
nearby.
D
F
Mr
chair
I'll
I'll
just
leave
mr
giamba
into
this,
so
you
can
answer
it
with
the
the
time
of
the
application.
They've
accounted
for
for
all
the
relevant
other
site
plan
applications
when
they
submitted
and
any
any
addendums
and
so
forth,
moving
forward.
They
have
to
bring
in
those
relevant
studies,
but
maybe
search
out,
but
then
have
something
else.
To
add
to
that.
F
Radius
for
surrounding
developments
is
correct,
that
is
according
to
our
council-approved
guidelines,
but
I'm
I
was,
we
will
take
another
look
as
we
move
into
subsequent
site
plans
to
ensure
that
we
capture
all
the
any
new
applications,
perhaps
some
applications
that
may
have
stalled
in
the
past
that
are
back
online.
So
I
haven't
fact
checked
the
the
claims
that
the
associations
have
done,
but
I
will.
D
Absolutely,
okay,
that
would
be
appreciated
and
if
you
get
back
to
me
directly,
that
would
be
very
helpful.
Of
course
we
have
a
motion
that
encourages
the
hospital
to
bring
in
those
associations
and
work
with
them
on
these
types
of
things
moving
forward,
but
having
that
in
advance
would
be
very
helpful.
Thank
you
for
that
on
the
lrt
we
are.
We
are
planning
eventually
for
a
twinning
of
the
daos
lake
track.
So
that's
my
understanding
is
going
to
happen
eventually
before
the
hospital
will
be
built.
D
G
So
chair
discuss
this
with
mr
morgan
at
length,
and
so
the
twinning
of
the
tracks,
underneath
does
lake,
is
not
the
first
step
for
expanded
transit
capacity
on
on
line
two.
There
are
significant
improvements
that
can
happen
without
twinning,
the
tracks
on
lay
by
tracks,
around
stations,
signal
changes
and
man
and
other
things.
G
I'm
not
an
expert
on
rail
operations,
not
gonna
pretend
to
be,
but
there
are
many
steps
we
can
do
before
the
actual
drilling
of
a
second
or
widened
tunnel
underneath,
like
in
the
widening
of
the
trench
at
this
location
which
it's
tied
to
so
it
could
be
as
many
as
20
years
before
we
actually
need
to
widen
that
area.
What
we're
working
on
negotiating
with
the
hospital
right
now
is
to
do
pre,
engineering
and
perhaps
pre-excavation
of
certain
elements.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
the
opportunity
to
potentially
go
underground
if
we
are
tearing
it
up
at
this.
A
similar
time
would
be
high,
and
I
say
that
because
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
potential
benefit
from
going
underground
from
what
I've
read
in
several
aspects,
from
prince
of
wales
as
well:
the
protection
from
increment
weather
the
the
time
that
it
takes.
It's
a
quick
shot.
G
Jer,
if
I
may
I
mean
I,
I
urge
council
not
to
get
stuck
on
one
versus
the
other.
I
think
a
full
review
of
both
options
should
be
done.
The
the
benefit
of
a
bridge,
for
example,
is,
is
that
it
could
be
configured.
So
it's
not
just
transit
users,
it
could
be
people
on
carling
avenue
who
want
to
get
from
one
side
to
the
other
would
be
able
to
use
it.
G
There
are
maybe
ease
of
implementation
issues,
and
if
it's
a
fully
covered
bridge
like
we're
doing
in
many
other
locations
in
the
city,
it
can
equally
be
weather
protected
and
can
have
some
lovely
views,
but
I
also
agree
that
the
tunnel
also
has
advantages,
but
I
just
urge
council
not
to
get
not
to
preclude
either
option
at
the
stage.
We
urge
you
as
a
department
to
leave
both
options
on
the
table.
D
Appreciate
that,
and
certainly
have
that
in
my
mind
now,
thank
you
for
that,
mr
willis.
I
I
thank
you
for
doing
both
options.
That's
going
to
be
that's
going
to
be
helpful
to
the
review
in
both
the
other
one
I
wanted
to
just
mention
is
around
a
shuttle
service.
There
had
been
talk
of
potential
for
because
of
the
length
of
of
distance
from
carling
to
the
main
entrance
of
a
shuttle
service,
potentially
from
the
garage
or
the
front.
D
G
So
ms
connolly
may
may
have
a
point
to
make,
but
I
I
think
the
motion
that's
before
us
to
look
at
transit
into
the
site.
One
can
liberally
interpret
to
look
at
both
oc,
transpose
service
and
perhaps
service.
The
hospital
may
provide
hospital,
runs
a
major
shuttle
service
already
between
its
multiple
campuses
of
you
know
the
general
on
the
riverside,
and
you
know
there
may
be
a
role
for
it
to
play
in
this
as
well.
D
Thank
you
for
that,
thanks
that,
for
that
answered,
the
that's
really
helpful.
One
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
raise
is
around
transit
passes
as
well
a
lot
of
hospital
staff.
Here,
a
lot
of
people
going
back
and
forth
every
single
day,
there's
been
a
suggestion
that
we
work
on
either
a
u-pass
type
of
pass
for
this
service
or
free
transit
options
for
people
that
are
at
the
heights
hospital
site.
D
Where
the
hospital
is,
you
know,
providing
that
as
well
to
get
them
to
take
transit
right,
we're
gonna
need
people
to
switch
over
this
site
will
not
work
without
the
modal
share
targets.
We're
talking
about
here,
so
we
need
people
to
do.
That
is
that
within
the
realm
of
possibility,
the
u-pass,
the
you
know,
low
or
free
cost
transit
options
to
in
induce
that
switch
that
we
need
to
take
place.
G
So
chair,
mr
manconi,
and
I
had
meetings
with
the
hospital
executives
and
discussed
the
option
of
a
u-pass
type
option.
I
mean
free
transit
is
not
within
the
scope
of
what
staff
can
discuss.
This
transit
commission
will
have
to
address
that,
but
certainly
any
major
employer
in
the
city
who
has
that
many
employees
coming
to
a
site.
We
would
entertain
discussions
with
them
at
any
time
as
part
of
a
travel
demand
management
strategy,
this
type
of
option
and
there
is
actually
a
condition
of
approval
for
a
travel
demand
management
strategy.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
bike.
Ottawa
has
raised
some
interesting
things
in
their
delegation
and
the
materials
submitted
to
us
and
sure
this
will
be
my
last
point.
Before
I
hand
it
back
to
you,
they've
talked
about
the
convertibility
of
parking
spaces
within
the
garage
to
things
like
electric
car
share
and
bike
parking
spots
and
the
inducement
of
cargo
bikes
and
other
options.
I
assume
that
is
all
on
the
table
and
will
be
considered
by
by
staff
as
we
as
we
move
ahead.
D
G
Sure
we
certainly
will
look
at
that.
Those
were
great
suggestions
from
bike
ottawa
and
I
think
we're
happy
to
explore
them
as
we
go
further
tara.
As
I
indicated
earlier,
I
apologize.
I
have
to
step
up
for
a
few
minutes,
but
I
will
be
back.
The
meeting
staff
can
continue
and
if
any
questions
need
to
be
directed
to
me
personally,
I
will
be
back
to
answer
them
and
I
apologize
to
council
for
that.
C
F
F
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
counselor
menard,
it's
one
of
his
his
questions,
just
because
there's
a
slight
nuance
versus
environmental
assessment
and
the
requirement
for
the
effects
analysis.
So
usually
the
environmental
assessment
looks
at
alternatives,
so
in
this
case
they
would
be
doing
environmental
effects.
Analysis
which
I
don't
believe
is
is
looking
at
alternatives.
So
there's
just
a
nuance
between
the
two.
When
you
call
the
two
studies-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
I
mean
common
term
people
say-
is
environmental
assessment,
but
that
that's
the
small
nuance.
B
D
H
I
obviously
share
the
same
concerns
in
terms
of
site
plan
here.
You
know
we
have
an
area
in
the
city
that
is,
you
know.
Right
now
has
adds
some
green
space
certainly
adds
you
know
over
600
trees,
and
it's
not
you
know
we're
not
talking
about
whether
we
should
put
a
hospital
here
or
not.
That's
that's
not
part
of
our
discussion.
Our
discussion
is
what
is
happening
on
this
site
and
how
does
it
you
know?
H
How
do
we
ensure
that
the
end
result
will
get
people
there
safely
will
ensure
that
people
are
able
to
take
transit,
including
bus?
You
know
to
the
door
a
good,
lrt
connection
so
that
we
don't
have
the
traffic
impacts,
that
that
will
follow
and
and
of
course,
you
know
the
the
issue
of
an
above
ground-
surface
parkade,
the
loss
of
trees,
the
surface
parking
are
just
issues
that
for
for
me,
as
the
neighboring
councillor
of
the
neighboring
ward,
I
just
there's.
H
I'm
not
gonna,
repeat
the
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
ask
a
few
around
the
green
space
that
is
proposed
for
the
top
of
the
parkade,
and
we
have
something
similar
over
on
the
war
museum
that
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
more
than
one
or
two
people
on
top
of
it's
very
hot
there's.
You
know
it.
It
just
doesn't
lend
itself
much
to
to
a
park
space.
But,
let's
just
say,
let's
just
say,
for
the
sake
of
argument
that
this
one
works
that
you're
able
to
plant
in
bigger
bushes.
H
You
can't
plant
a
tree
up
there,
but
maybe
a
bit
bigger
bushes.
And
you
know
there
is
some
green
space.
What
does
that
look
like
in
terms
of
public
access?
What
does
that
look
like
in
terms
of
public
ownership?
Is
this?
Will
this
green
space
be
publicly
owned
and
operated,
or
will
it
be
a
privately
owned
public
space.
F
Mr
chair,
it
will
be
privately
owned.
The
conditions
of
master
plan
approval
require
easements
in
the
favor
of
the
public,
the
city
to
to
access
all
the
pedestrian
routes
to
the
to
the
top
of
the
the
garage
and
the
the
open
space
and
the
open
space
itself.
So
it
will
be
publicly
legally
publicly
accessible,
but
not
publicly
maintained,
and
I
don't
know
if
the.
F
If
you
need
a
visual,
if
you
did
want
to
discuss
a
visual,
I
could
just
ask
the
community
coordinator
in
my
presentation.
The
last
slide
has
a
has
a
visual
of
the
garage.
If
we
needed
to
get
into
any
more
details
about
the
access
app,
I
mean
one
of
the
the
things
that
staff
and
the
ncc
pushed
hard
on
is
we
don't
want
a
utilitarian
access
up
there?
F
We
don't
want
just
a
just
a
an
access
that
that
has
no
experience,
so
we
worked
hard
to
on
the
preston
side
to
have
a
a
ramp,
the
accessible
ramp
system
that
not
only
gets
the
top
of
the
garage
but
would
feel
more
like
an
experience
of
itself
as
well
going
to
the
top
of
the
garage
with
through
the
vegetation
planted.
So
we
thought
that
was
really
important
to
make
an
experience
and
not
a
utilitarian
access.
F
So
the
image
on
your
on
the
bottom
right
is
the
elevation
of
preston
street
and
if
you
see
there's
three
there's
points
where
people
you
can
see
images
of
people
standing
or
walking,
but
that's
the
cross
section
of
the
ramp
and
with
the
landscaping
between
so
and
then
there's
lookout.
There's
a
couple
of
belvederes
or
local
points
resting
places.
So
I
think
that
teasing
out
the
details
of
that
as
well
through
more
ncc
design,
review
and
city
design
review,
making
sure
that
that
experience
is
is
what
gets
built.
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I'm
seeing
the
cross
section.
I
guess
also
my
concern
with
publicly
owned
private
or
privately
owned
public
space
pops,
as
we
like
to
call
them,
is
that
at
some
point
something
goes
wrong
and
the
the
per
the
the
entity
owning
whether
it's
a
developer
or
in
this
case
the
hospital
shuts
down
parts
of
it
and
and
we've
seen
that
happen.
H
It's
happened
across
the
city,
we've
fenced
off
privately
owned
public
space,
we've
gated
it
we've
made
sure
that
you
know
if,
if
there
are
people
using
it,
who
you
know
in
a
way
that
doesn't
you
know
in
a
way
that
that
isn't
consistent
with
what
perhaps
the
hospital
envisions
today
I.e?
Maybe
people
sleeping
on
a
bench
because
they
have
nowhere
else
to
sleep
that
you
know,
pops
really
is
not
public
space.
So
I
think
that
we
have
to
really.
H
I
want
to
just
be
really
very
clear
that
when
we're
saying
yes
to
to
say
plan
here
or
if
you
are,
I
don't
have
a
vote
today,
I'm
not
on
the
the
committee,
but
it
is.
It
is
privately
owned
space
that
that
can
easements
can
change
and
and
and
access
to,
public
use
can
can
change
on
trees,
and
thank
you
to
councillor
lieber
for
bringing
forward
emotion
on
my
behalf
around
upfront
pre-planting
this,
the
ward
again
that
I
represent
next
door.
We
have
very
few
trees.
H
Our
spring
planting
tree
program
next
spring
we're
getting
20.,
I
think
councillor
brockington
is
getting
some
1700
or
something
but
we're
getting
20..
So
we
do
not
have
we
get
trees
cut
down
weekly.
I
just
got
another
notice
that
two
more
coming
down
in
the
ward
and
and
we're
not
replacing
them,
and
there
might
be
a
plan
in
the
future,
but
today
we're
not
replacing
trees.
H
So
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
taking
down
what's
now,
500
trees
as
opposed
to
600,
makes
me
question
how
hard
we
pushed
if
we
could,
if
they
could
go
from
over
600
and
remove
100
from
that
plan,
did
we
push
hard
enough
to
ensure
that
a
they
aren't
taking
down
any
more
trees
and
they
they
that
is
required
and
b?
You
know:
will
there
be
like
a
serious
effort
to
plant
trees
in
advance
of
of
the
hospital
completion?
H
We
can't
wait
in
the
downtown
to
replant
500
trees
thousand
trees.
It
is
it's
critical
that
that
these
trees
get
replaced
and
they
get
replaced
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
I
just
want
to
hear
from
staff
on
what
the
plan
would
be
for
replacing
these
trees
and
ensuring
that
the
hospital
does
everything
they
can
to
replace
the
tree
loss
in
advance
of
them.
Moving
towards
the
40
percent
canopy
cover.
F
Mr
chair
I'll
bring
in
martha
cope's
steak
as
well
on
this.
I
just
wanted
to
also
use
your
question
on
trees
to
to
let
committee
members
know
that
also
we're
conditioning
a
vegetation
management
and
conservation
strategy
so
to
an
earlier
question
about.
How
do
we
make
sure
off-site
trees
survive
and
and
what's
our
review
period
on
those
and
so
forth,
they
do
the
hospital
it
has
to
create
this
management
strategy.
That'll
come
forward
as
well
on
on
how
they're
they're
managing
their
their
environmental
assets
there.
E
E
E
So
my
colleague
mark
richardson,
who
who
looks
at
site
plans
and
plans
a
subdivision
he'll,
be
taking
that
same
sort
of
approach
here
and
you
know
I'll
be
working
with
him
and
forestry
will
be
working
with
him
having
like
a
real
lens
on
that
tree
retention
aspect.
So
just
so,
you
know
to
assure
you
that's
when
we're
going
to
get
into
that
level
of
detail.
E
So
that's
that,
with
respect
to
the
tree
planting
same
kind
of
thing,
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
really
be
focused
in
on
the
the
phasing
and
like
how
how
the
phasing
is
gonna
work
and
where
they're
gonna
be.
You
know
how
they're
cons,
essentially
like
their
construction
movement,
is
going
to
be
to
determine
exactly
how
we
can
lay
out
the
landscaping
as
we
go
through
the
phasing.
E
H
Now
I
I
appreciate
that
thanks
thanks
martha
just
one
last
question,
then
there's
also
a
motion:
we're
directing
staff
to
look
at
a
reduction
in
surface
parking,
which
is
quite
outrageous
really
on
this
site,
and
how
does
that
tie
in
then
to
both
tree
retention,
the
possibility
of
retaining
more
trees
and
or
planting
more
trees?
If
we
have
less
surface
parking,
we
obviously
have
more
space
for
green
space
for
trees,
for
all
of
the
things
that
make
this
actually
a
healthy
environment
in
and
around
the
hospital.
F
H
F
And
then
just
the
lens
of
the
zoning
by-law.
Making
sure
that
the
applicant
as
well
is
is
meeting
the
minimum
parking
through
the
zoning.
But
I
think
it
gives
us
that
opportunity
to
to
look
further
into
how
to
retain.
Where
can
we
retain
trees?
And
where
can
we
put
more
in
lieu
of
hard
surface
parking
spaces?.
H
Now
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
and
again
I
just
want
to
repeat
just
to
be
on
record
that
we
have
to
look
at
less
surface
parking.
We
have
to
look
at
more
green
space,
more
trees.
We
had
many
many
delegates
come
speak
to
us
on
friday.
Many
of
them
talked
about
many
thought.
They
all
talked
about
the
same
thing,
really
whether
they
thought
they
were,
whether
they
were
you
know
pro
site
plan
and
wanted
the
hospital
to
go
ahead,
which
I
we
all
want
the
hospital.
H
H
C
Thanks
jaren
and
counselor
mckinney
just
before
you
go,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
came
in
late,
but
there
was
a
direction
to
staff.
I
gave
that
would
monitor
the
new
trees
that
get
planted
to
ensure
that,
if
any
don't
make
it,
we
continue
to
maintain
a
2500
new
tree,
a
net
2500,
because
sometimes
we
plant
trees,
they
die.
Nothing
happens
so
mr
willis
accepts
some
direction
in
that
regard
and,
mr
moore,
what
is
the
number
of
trees?
C
F
C
And
are
any
of
the
trees
that
are
slated
for
to
be
cut
down?
Can
they
not
be
replanted
elsewhere?
I
know
that
is
a
more
laborious
task,
but
I've
seen
it
with
my
own
eyes
very
large
trees
removed
taken
somewhere
else
to
be
planted.
Have
we
considered
that,
instead
of
killing
trees,
is
there
a
way
to
relocate
them.
F
So
chair,
I
know:
we've
looked
at
the
old
cedar,
hedge
collection
and
the
hospital
team
is
looking
at
that
to
see
where
opportunities
are
for
relocation.
That's
that's
the
extent
of
where
we've
we've
looked
at
that.
Otherwise
I
don't
know
if
martha's
team
has
any
experience
with
the
you
know
the
the
tree
spade
that
would
have
to
come
in
the
size
and
the
cost
to
to
to
relocate
a
significant
tree.
I
don't
have
a.
E
Maybe
I
can
add
to
that
sean.
There
has
been
some
discussion
and
again
the
details
will
come
at
the
phase
level
when
we
see
the
tree
conservation
report,
but
there's
been
some
discussion
around
trying
to
do
transplanting
where
possible.
Of
course,
when
transplanting
a
tree,
we
can't
move
very
large
trees.
We
can
move
up
to
about
20,
maybe
towards
30
centimeters,
but
that
starts
to
get
very
large,
and
so
there's
definitely
been
discussion
at
the
table
about
that
and
we
will
look
for
those
opportunities.
E
One
of
the
challenges
becomes
having
a
place
to
put
it
like
having
it
happen
at
the
right
time,
like
just
the
scheduling
of
it
all.
You
know
that
it's
happening
at
the
right
season
at
the
right
time,
there's
a
place
to
put
it
right
away,
but
we
have
been
able
to
do
that
like
I've
been
involved
in
files
where
we've
done
that-
and
it's
been
successful
over
the
years,
so
we'll
definitely
look
into
those
opportunities.
But
it's
not
the
kind
of
thing
where
we
can
take.
E
C
E
Well,
just
as
I
said
in
the
last
answer,
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
and
focusing
on
when
we
get
there,
so
I
can't
really
speak
to
the
the
likelihood
of
it.
But
but
that's
what
we'll
be
aiming
to
do
and,
like
I
said,
looking
at
what
kind
of
mitigation
measures
we
can
put
in
place,
if
there's
like
a
pathway
near
it
or
something,
can
we
what
kind
of
materials?
How
can
we
dig
that?
How
do
we?
E
F
And
mr
chair,
the
other
thing
that
is
an
ally
with
us
is
the
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
and
the
conditions
that
we've
imposed
on
the
master
plan.
With
respect
to
that,
because
one
aspect
is,
is
maintaining
that
pastoral
image
into
the
farm,
so
trees
along
the
boundary
of
the
site
with
maple
drive
coming
into
the
farm
are
something
that
staff
and
heritage
staff
are
are
looking
at
to
be
retained.
So
we
look
at
it
as
we
have
that
other.
F
C
C
Can
staff
just
talk
about
give
us
the
vision
for
carling
avenue?
As
far
as
transit
goes,
we've
talked
about
converting
the
right
travel
lanes
to
a
bus,
rapid
system,
we're
looking
at
some
sort
of
modified
light
rail
system
on
carling
avenue.
What
are
the
timelines
for
this
work?
To
get
done?
That
there's
a
lot
of
confusion,
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
carling
avenue,
but
people
don't
know
timelines
for
various
work.
F
F
C
C
There's
a
lot
of
development.
That's
already
been
approved
on
the
north
side
of
carling
in
the
vicinity
of
the
daos
lake
station,
and
one
of
them
is
going
to
be
ottawa's
tallest
skyscraper
taller
than
the
one
that's
built
now,
can
staff
or
will
staff
consider
opportunities
to
connect
these
buildings
with
either
the
station
tunnel
or
a
separate
tunnel
of
a
hospital?
C
Does
that
get
factored
in
when
you
look
at
site
plan
for
buildings
like
this?
If
we're
going
to
have
very
large
towers
directly
across
the
street,
maybe
a
critical
mass
of
people
who
may
be
working
or
maybe
even
patients-
is
there
a
way
to
connect
these
buildings
well
with
either
the
station
and
then
they
can
get
across
or
to
the
hospital.
Will
that
be
considered.
F
Mr
chair,
I
believe,
there's
certainly
opportunities
for
for
buildings
that
are
budding
the
station
to
have
connectivity
through
the
individual
site
plan
control
applications
for
those
towers,
I'm
not
privy
to
the
the
those
applications
next
to
the
station
and
what
what
staff
have?
What
dialogues
we've
had
with
the
developers?
F
But
I
recall
the
I
recall
the
the
application
you're
speaking
about
at
bay
shore,
where
there
is
a
direct
overhead
pedestrian
kind
of
connection
in
so
so.
The
answer
yes,
we
can.
That
would
be
something
that
staff
look
at
and
see
if
that's
attainable
feasible
if
they
can
connect
to
the
station
and
how.
C
F
C
I
just
want
to
say
I
I
wrote
to
michael
crockett
on
friday,
the
head
of
ottawa
tourism,
and
I
said
what
do
you
think
about
this?
He
said
no
one
had
approached
him
to
ask.
There's
no
data.
That
he's
aware
of
that
would
prove
this
to
be
true,
and
he
thinks
that
this
hospital
might
actually
do
the
opposite
and
that
is
bring
in
conventions
and
business
that
be
there'd,
be
a
net
impact
positive
impact
from
a
tourism
perspective.
E
Thank
you,
lilly
excuse
me.
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
mean
I
think
at
this
point
we
haven't
received
any
any
comments
from
parks,
canada
or
the
ncc
or
other
tourism
people
involved
in
the
canal,
including
the
world
heritage
center.
That
would
indicate
to
us
that
there
is
any
concern
about
the
impacts
of
the
proposed
hospital
on
tourism-related
aspects
of
the
rideau
canal,
its
buffer
winterlude
or
any
of
the
associated
cultural
heritage
landscape.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
so
just
ask
a
couple
quick
questions
then
we'll
go.
People
can
prepare
and
go
into
your
final
comments
that
you
might
want
to
make
obviously
I'll
defer
to
cancer
processing
going
last
being
the
hospital
resides
in
riverward
just
quickly
on
I've
heard
a
lot
about
surface
parking.
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
couple,
a
couple
things
so
the
the
site
plan
currently
the
surface
parking
that
we
have
the
lot
to
the
north.
It's
just
adjacent
to
the
existing
cafeteria
building.
That's
already
there
correct
that.
B
B
B
B
And
then
the
third
major
law,
now
I'm
not
going
to
talk,
there's
obviously
the
trucking
access
off
of
prince
of
wales,
I
believe
that's
being
built
where
the
previous
sir
john
carling
parking
lot
was,
but,
as
you
go
into
the
the
I
would
say,
the
parking
lot
that's
built
on
sort
of
currently
unused
land.
I
think
if
even
historically
the
land
was
never
used
for
anything.
That's
that's
where
the
site
plan
calls
for
the
future
health.
B
B
Do
you
know
what
the
how
the
how
that
plan
works
into
place?
Obviously,
we
have
a
requirement
for
parking
when
the
harness
moves
over
here
they'll
take
over.
What
is
this
temporary
parking
lot?
How
does
that
work
out?
Obviously,
they'll
have
to
do
a
whole
site
plan
for
that
too,
but
that
surface
parking
lot
becomes.
B
F
So,
mr
chair,
at
that
point,
they
would
have
to
demonstrate
how
their
their
overall
master
plan
complies
with
the
minimum
parking
rates
and
how
they
achieve.
That
is,
I
guess
they
could
look
at
if
they're
doing
some
a
level
underground
or
if
they
had
parking
in
a
in
a
structured
format
there
somehow
or
if
they're,
able
to
provide
the
the
heart
institute
without
additional
parking
through
other
other
means
on
the
site.
But
they
would
that's
something
that
would
come
forward.
They're,
projecting
in
about
2045
as
a
heart
institute
relocating
to
this
this
location.
B
F
B
All
right
thanks
for
that,
I
don't
have
any
other
specific
questions
so
who
would
like
to
wrap
up?
I
know
councilman
are
said
he
won't
have
some
comments
toward
the
end.
I
know
cancer
brock
obviously
will
want
to
anyone
else.
I
know
councilor
lieber
sort
of
said
his
piece
at
his
time,
so
I
think
he
might
be
okay,
so
we'll
go
ahead
to
to
counselor
monarch.
Then.
B
All
right,
so
we
will
go
re-introduce
and
we'll
vote
on
those
motions
right
now.
So
the
first
motion
that
came
forward
was
counselor
brockington
and
it's
the
the
letter
to
the
minister's
requesting
a
new
secondary
plan
for
or
a
master
plan.
I
guess
for
the
for
the
experimental
firm.
So
obviously
you
read
it
in
its
entirety.
If
you
want
to
queue
it
up
really
quickly.
Counselor
rockington.
C
C
We've
certainly
heard
from
the
public,
their
love
for
the
farm
and
the
history
and
heritage
of
it,
and
what
is
surprising
to
many
is
is
a
historic
designation
does
not
provide
any
protection
at
all.
The
farm
is
not
protected
from
development.
The
firm
is
not
protected
from
the
federal
government
making
decisions
going
forward.
C
Mr
chair,
we
heard
from
members
of
the
public
we've
heard
from
our
own
staff
that
their
support
for
this.
Let's
just
ask
the
mayor
to
write
to
the
minister
of
agriculture
and
agri-food,
the
minister
of
environment,
climate
change,
the
local
member,
the
member
elect
for
ottawa
center
and
the
chair
of
the
ncc
board
to
introduce
or
encourage
introduce
federal
legislation
to
ensure
long-term
protection
of
the
farm
and
develop
a
new
master
plan
for
the
firm
which
would
seek
local
input
than
the
input
of
expert
scientists.
C
B
All
right,
thank
you,
so
I
don't
think
I
need
you
to
use
the
knees
on
any
of
these
motions.
To
be
honest
with
you,
we're
not
dealing
with
a
with
an
adversarial
partner
here,
we're
dealing
with
someone.
That's
a
group
and
we
heard
it
joanne
reed
was
quite
clear
on
friday
that
they
do
support
these
motions
and
they
want
to
work
with
the
community.
So
on
that
motion,
is
that
carried
harry?
Terry?
A
Yeah-
and
you
heard
me
this
morning
as
we
went
through
it
with
staff,
the
hospital
has
said
they
would
agree
with
this.
I've
asked
staff
this
morning.
They've
said
they
support
it
and
you've
heard
the
implications
of
passing
this
motion,
which
is
a
relatively
deep,
rich
and
broad
study
with
foresight,
two
implementing
recommendations
that
come
out
of
the
study,
so
I
hope
I
hope
colleagues
can
find
a
way
to
support
that.
B
A
B
All
right
so
there's
a
motion
in
front
of
you.
You
know
the
plane
committee
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
hospital
and
linking
the
proposed
cycling
facility
through
the
internal
road
network
of
the
site,
separated
safely
from
the
main
road
to
the
main
entrance
hospital
building
on
that
motion
is
that
carried.
B
H
Yes,
thank
you
chairs
much
of
what
my
questioning
had
to
related
to,
but
it
essentially
just
asked
staff
to
you
know
work
with
the
hospital
to
find
ways
of
planting
trees
and
area
and
and
spaces
where
trees
can
be
planted.
You
know
outside
of
the
the
the
development
of
the
hospital
in
advance
rather
of
the
development
of
the
hospital,
so
that
you
know
as
we're
losing
trees,
we're
trying
to
replace
them
as
efficiently
and
effectively
and
as
quickly
as
possible.
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
motion
from
the
committee,
that
is,
that
planned
committee
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
auto
hospital
to
identify
tree
planting
areas
that
can
be
planted
outside
of
any
impacts
of
future
development
phases.
Thus
allowing
significant,
up-front
tree
planting
compensation
to
occur
on
the
site
is
that
motion
carried.
B
D
Very
much
chair,
yes,
as
you'll
as
committee
will
know,
transit
currently
does
not
penetrate
into
the
site.
We
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us
that
would
make
sure
that
the
road
access
that's
built
could
allow
for
transit
into
the
site,
as
well
as
asking
staff
to
work
with
the
ottawa
hospital
on
that
possibility
in
the
future,
whether
that
be
shuttle,
buses
or
actual
oc
transport
buses
that
come
in
right
to
the
main
entrance.
That's
the
intent
of
the
motion,
so
I
hope
folks
can
support
this
today.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
So
again,
the
motion
in
front
of
us
is
that
planning
committee
direct
staff
to
ensure
that
the
pro's
proposed
internal
road
network
is
capable
of
accommodating
local
trans
services
from
a
road
design
perspective
and
also
to
assess,
as
part
of
the
transit
service
plan
for
the
hospital,
whether
local
trans
services
should
utilize
these
local
roads
and
enter
into
the
site
to
complement
the
other
trans
facilities
surrounding
the
site.
So
on
that
motion,
is
that
carried
very,
very
great?
Thank
you.
D
Thanks
very
much
chair
yeah.
This
this
motion
is
asking
staff
to
when
the
implementing
site
plans
come
along
to
do
whatever
possible
to
ensure
that
we're
being
as
efficient
as
possible
on
the
site
to
not
lose
space
for
trees
and
green
space,
either
by
putting
parking
underground
or
reducing
the
amount
of
surface
parking
that
is
needed,
which
is
one
of
the
most
inefficient
forms
of
parking.
So
I
hope
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
in
the
community.
Hope
community
can
support
this
as
well.
B
Thanks
for
this
one
here
that
planning
committee
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
auto
hospital
on
substantially
reducing
the
amount
of
surface
parking
around
the
site
during
future
implementing
site
plan
control.
Applications
on
that
item
is
it
carried
very
narrowly.
Thank
you
and
the
final
motion
that
was
introduced,
obviously
there's
still
a
direction
on
lighting,
but
the
final
motion
that
was
introduced
on
friday
from
council
menard
regarding
the
community
associate
vault
community.
D
Thanks
very
much
chair,
so
members
will
know
that
the
hospital
is
being
tasked
with
the
enabling
a
transportation
network
as
we
move
along
in
terms
of
how
parking
is
going
to
work
off-site
where
people
are
coming
from
that
this,
this
motion
would
set
up
a
a
transportation
advisory
group.
It
would
ask
ward
counselors
to
ensure
that
they're
putting
forward
names
from
each
community.
This
is
likely.
B
D
Thanks
very
much
chair
that
planning
committee
direct
staff
to
review
sight
lighting
for
the
future
of
implementing
site
plan
for
the
main
hospital
building.
The
site
lighting
shall
be
in
accordance
with
council-approved
lighting
conditions
that
include
designing,
with
only
fixtures
that
meet
the
criteria
for
full
cut
off
or
sharp
cut-off
classification,
as
recognized
by
the
illuminating
engineering
society
of
north
america
and
meeting
minimal
light
spillage
onto
adjacent
properties.
B
B
D
D
While
some
of
us
also
expressing
concerns-
which
is
why
you
see
the
the
amending
motions
in
front
of
you
for
me
personally-
there
may
have
been
a
path
that
that
could
have
done.
You
know
enough
to
ameliorate
this
on
the
site
plan
to
be
able
to
feel
comfortable
lifting
for
myself
the
whole
condition,
but
the
major
issues
remain.
D
D
We
should
be
locating
these
buildings
close
to
the
main
access
street
for
accessibility
reasons
and
for
access
to
our
multi-billion
dollar
transit
system,
and
that
is
not
happening
and
it
it.
You
know
it's
a
feature
that
we
should
have
courage
to
ask
for
and
ask
the
applicant
to
do,
which
is
why
I
say:
let's
not
lift
the
hold,
let's,
let's
go
back
to
them
and
ask
them
to
make
that
change
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
application.
D
in
order
to
lift
this
hold
for
the
master
site
plan
and
the
policy
that
that
came
along
with
it.
We're
not
actually
meeting
those
criteria
to
to
make
that
lift,
and
I
went
through
those
early
on
the
meeting.
So
if
we've
been
able
to
follow
through
on
those
aspects,
you
know
I
could
have
been
in
favor
overall,
but
I'm
in
a
position
now,
of
course,
to
vote
for
the
amending
motions,
which
I
appreciate
this
this
committee
doing.
D
B
Thank
you.
I
think
it
was
important
to
note
too,
that
we
have.
We
do
have
those
second
opportunities
when
it
comes
to
the
site
plan
and
stuff
to
be
able
to
look
at
those
things.
It
isn't
you
know
all
for
not.
Today,
you
will
have
more
time
to
be
able
to
work
on
these
concerns
that
you
have,
and,
as
you
mentioned
in
your
in
your
comments,
so
thank
you.
Councillor,
gower.
I
Thanks
chair
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
provide
maybe
a
bit
of
a
contrasting
point
of
view,
reflecting
on
what
we've
heard
over
the
last
12
hours
or
so
of
this
meeting
and
a
lot
of
the
emails
and
correspondence
we've
had.
I
think
this
master
plan
is
is
pretty
good
by
any
measure.
It's
very
good.
I
think
it's
it's
thoughtful
in
terms
of
the
clinical
needs
of
the
hospital.
I
I
think
it's
responsive
to
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
by
residents
by
stakeholders
and
and
by
councillors
and
as
you've
just
pointed
out
chair,
it
is
very
early
in
the
process.
It's
a
master
plan
and
there's
still
work
to
be
done.
I
think
the
directions
and
motions,
I
think,
there's
eight
in
total
that
have
been
brought
forward
by
different
members
of
our
committee
and
counselors,
give
really
good
direction
to
refine
some
of
the
elements
that
continue
to
cause
concern
from
the
community.
I
I
was
really
interested
in
the
comments
from
the
applicant
in
terms
of
how
they
came
up
with
this
design.
That's
in
front
of
us,
the
first
criteria
is
clinical
need.
The
second
is
efficiency
and
operations,
and
the
third
is
around
access
for
both
the
public
and
for
the
the
back
of
house,
some
of
the
technical
requirements
that
they
have
for
operations
and
ambulances
and
so
on.
I
I
think
it's
worth
also
noting
some
of
the
achievements
that
staff
have
made
in
refining
this
master
plan
so
through
work
with
residents,
counselors
stakeholders,
the
hospital,
the
public
realm
at
carling
and
preston,
the
additional
screening
of
the
parkade,
the
40
tree
canopy,
some
of
the
improvements
to
cycling
and
then
the
ability
to
accommodate
future
transit.
These
are
all
pretty
significant
changes
that
have
happened
over
the
past
few
months
to
refine
this
plan.
I
Even
if
you
put
aside
the
cost
of
it,
I
think
the
construction
impact
from
the
blast
from
the
trucks
from
the
site
is
something
that
I
don't
think.
Residents
in
the
area
perhaps
fully
realize
what
impact
that
has.
So,
I
think,
given
the
cost
and
the
impact
of
construction,
the
hospitals
come
up
with
a
reasonable
compromise
there
and
on
transit
as
well.
I
Even
the
walk
from
city
hall
right
now
to
the
nearest
transit
station
is
further
than
the
walk
would
be
to
the
the
front
door
of
the
hospital,
but
hopefully
there's
room
for
improvement
of
transit
on
carling
and
the
access
from
the
station.
So
anyhow
I'll
be
supporting
this
happy
to
see
the
directions.
Emotions
from
counselors
and
we'll
have
a
lot
of
refinement
to
go
over
the
next
20
or
25
years
with
each
of
the
future
phases
as
they
come
through
committee.
B
Thank
you.
I
know
it's
councillor.
Mckinney
turned
their
camera
off
when
you
started
going,
but
blasting
don't
get
cancer
mckinney
going
about
blasting.
I
said
if
it's,
if
it's
not,
that
it's
an
army
of
leaf
blowing,
yellow,
vest
folks
running
down
the
street.
So
there's
always
something
going
on
in
somerset.
Word.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
if
anyone
else
has
anything
to
say
before
I
go
to
counselor
brockington,
I
I
will
just
say
one
one:
they
just
one
of
the
themes
I
mean
obviously
we're
talking
about
site
plan
and
we've
heard
of
other
hospitals
and
whatnot
and
there's
I've
never
been
involved
in
a
obviously
I've
grown
up
in
this
city
and
we
have
hospitals
that
have
been
where
they
are
for
the
length
of
time.
I've
been
alive,
but
it's
this.
B
So
this
is
the
first
time
I've
ever
kind
of
dove
into
a
a
new
hospital
location
discussion.
It's
fascinating
when
you
look
at
other
cities
and
find
that
they've
all
had
these
same
conversations
that
we
heard
on
on
friday,
even
just
the
one
that
councilman
references
in
his
comments,
the
the
university
health
center
in
montreal,
a
lot
of
political
back
and
forth
on
that
in
the
early
2000s
between
pauline
marwah
and
jean.
B
It's
a
whole
story
there
too,
but
the
site
plan
we
have
in
front
of
us.
We
heard
comments
about
the
size
of
it.
You
know
50
acres,
the
existing
sites,
23
acres,
the
university
health
center
in
montreal
is,
is
10
acres
and
you
know
what
what
did
the?
What
does
the
university
of
health
center
in
montreal
have
in
common
with
the
existing
civic
site?
Really
a
lack
of
green
space?
B
They
they're
just
it's
a
it's
a
concrete
jungle
and
we
in
the
last
few
months
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
I
think,
what's
become
more
and
more
at
the
forefront.
It's
not
just
the
the
mental
health
of
our
residents
and
patients.
It
went
up,
but
it's
also
of
our
our
health
care
workers
and
what
you're,
seeing
more
recently
there's
a
proposal
proposed
development
west
park
healthcare
center
in
in
in
north
york.
You've
got
the
calgary
cancer
center.
B
You
have
some
revisions
to
the
saint
joseph's
health
center
in
london
is
they've
all
started,
incorporating
green
space
into
their
healthcare
campuses,
they're
all
looking
at
that
from
from
a
different
perspective,
it's
not
just
the
the
built
form.
It's
not
just
the
utility
space
that
in
inside
a
hospital
but
also
the
outside
space
and
and
what
that
means
not
just
for
a
health
and
wellness
center
for
for
patients,
but
also
for
for
staff
and
for
for
the
people
that
work
there.
The
burnout
rate
amongst
amongst
healthcare
workers
right
now
is
severe.
B
B
So
I
think,
when
we
look
at
designing
these
campuses
in
the
future,
I
think
the
reality
is
that
green
space
elements
matter
and
the
environment
that
you
work
in
matters
in
this
type
of
in
this
type
of
facility-
and
you
know
people
say
we
just
hire
more
nurses,
a
four-year
nursing
program
involved.
The
full-year
clinical,
which
she
couldn't
do
clinical
during
covet
not
only
is,
is
the
person
I
live
with
a
critical
care
nurse.
B
They
also
are
a
professor
for
university
of
ottawa
algonquin
college
at
st
lawrence
college
and
they
teach
clinical
nursing
at
at
geo.
So
they
couldn't
do
that
the
same
way
they
always
could.
So
it's
not
just
easy
they're,
not
exactly
easy
to
just
go
out
there
and
hire
more
nurses,
but
also
what
environment
are
you
bringing
them
into?
You
know,
I
think,
with
this
with
this
campus
design.
B
Yes,
it's
on
a
large
space.
Yes,
it
has,
you
know
it
could
be
smaller.
You
could
build
it
smaller,
but
is
that
better?
Is
it
better?
I
don't
think
so,
and
I
think
that
those
are
things
that
we
can't
necessarily
quantify
ourselves,
but
I
think
it's
something
to
consider
when
you're
looking
at
a
site
plan
of
this
nature,
and
why
is
it
this
size?
And
why
is
there
green
space
elements
on
it
and
I
think
part
of
it
is
because
of
what
it?
What
service
it
provides.
B
This
isn't
a
this,
isn't
a
high-tech
building
in
canada
north.
This
is
a
major
trauma
center
with
with
with
a
huge
staff
component
and
a
lot
that
the
people
that
will
work
in
this
building
and
and
and
go
with
this
building
as
patients
will
go
through.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
it
that
the
design
is
the
way
it
is.
I
think
it's
important
that
it
embeds
green
space
elements
into
it
and
I
think
the
motions
that
we
have
today
to
ensure
that
that
green
space
remains
relevant
to
it
and
remains
there.
B
You
know
cancer
mckinney's
speaking
to
ensuring
that
the
trees
that
get
planted
stay
there.
Council
brockman
speaking
at
the
same
thing.
These
are
important
pieces
because
I
think
it's
you
know
even
the
council
bieber's
concerned,
the
top
of
that
garage
ends
up
being
the
space
that
they
envision
it
to
be.
That's
not
just
important
for
the
city,
that's
important
for
the
people
that
will
work
at
this
facility
as
well,
it's
important
to
the
hospital.
B
C
Thank
you
chair
for
your
words
and
thank
you
to
all
colleagues
for
your
perseverance
over
these
long
meetings,
but
also
your
comments.
I've
listened
to
everyone
and
I
appreciate
the
contributions
of
everyone.
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
the
public
who
have
been
very
engaged,
not
just
in
our
meeting
but
in
this
process
over
the
last
seven
years.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
who
has
participated
as
well.
Chair
six
days
after
I
was
first
elected.
C
John
baird
dropped
the
bomb
on
us
that
this
was
going
to
be
gifted
the
land
right
across
the
street.
I
certainly
didn't
see
it
coming.
No,
no
advance
notice
and
there
was
a
strong
reaction,
strong
uproar
that
agricultural
land
was
going
to
be
given
up
for
for
the
hospital
and
so
and
what
happened
in
the
year
that
followed
as
catherine
mckenna
ran
for
election
and
she
visited
more
and
more
residents.
C
He
hosts
the
current
hospital
and
we
have
worked
with
the
hospital
since
day,
one
and
in
those
early
years
it
was
very
difficult
to
get
the
hospital
to
come
into
the
community
and
talk
with
us
and
talk
with
our
residents,
and
I
think
because
the
hospital
didn't
know
what
direction
they
were
going
in.
You
had
the
federal
candidate
saying
that
they
were
going
to
put
a
pause
and
the
actual
pause
was
on
there,
so
that
review
happened.
Tony's
pasture
was
selected
and
both
the
federal
gov
government
and
ottawa
hospital
ultimately
said.
C
That's
not
the
ideal
location,
that's
the
optimal
location
and
they
settled
on
the
current
location
that
we
have
now.
But
to
the
public's
point
and
question
chair
and
colleagues,
both
parties
could
have
been
much
more
clear
and
transparent
about
why
the
current
location
is
their
preferred
choice,
and
I
do
believe
both
parties
have
an
obligation
to
explain
to
the
public
why
this
location
is
their
preferred
choice
and
and
just
explain
that
to
the
public
and
provide
more
details
and
information,
because
I
think
that's
why?
C
C
So
I
think
the
hospital's
intentions
have
always
been
good.
Obviously,
three
years
ago
or
four
years
ago,
they
didn't
know
the
details
of
the
land.
They
had
not
assessed
the
land
to
the
extent
that
they
have
since
then,
and
obviously,
if
they
found
out
the
challenges
of
building
an
underground
parking
garage,
they
had
to
assess
that
in
their
decision
making
I'm
not
defending
that
decision.
I
just
think
that
intentions
four
years
ago,
obviously
can
change.
C
When
you
get
more
information-
and
you
see
what
the
impacts
are
of
of
proceeding
with
certain
things,
certain
initiatives
I
do
want
to
thank
the
hospital
for
coming
in
to
the
community.
For
many
years.
Speaking
with
my
residents,
I
hosted
a
number
of
meetings,
information
and
consultation
and
that's
been
very
helpful
and
you
know
unsolicited
the
carlington
community
association,
which
is
river
words
of
budding
association
to
the
firm,
endorses
the
site
plan
they
they
sent
in
a
letter.
C
That
said
they
support
this
and
that
is
based
on
their
own
on
their
own
discussions
and
they
sent
that
in,
and
we
heard
from
paul
johannes
green
space
alliance,
who
fall,
follows
a
number
of
green
space
matters
in
the
city
who
also
supports
the
site
plan.
He
has
concerns.
He
certainly
has
issues.
No
site
plan
is
perfect,
but
again
a
body
that
follows
a
significant
amount
of
of
projects
or
developments
in
the
city
supports
that
as
well.
C
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
pushback
as
well
chair
because
for
many
ottawa
residents
they
have
a
strong
emotional
attachment
to
the
experimental
farm.
I'm
a
native
ottawan
I've
come
to
the
farm
with
that
exaggeration
thousands
of
times,
starting
as
a
little
kid
with
my
dad.
I
think
I've
been
every
a
square
inch
of
the
farm
and
I
have
many
positive
memories
of
the
entire
firm
and
when
land
on
that
firm
is
threatened
even
for
a
hospital.
C
Many
people
react
negatively
to
that.
Yes,
there
are
the
benefits
of
the
trees
and
green
space,
but
there's
there's
this
opposition
to
any
threat
to
those
lands,
and
I
thank
the
committee
for
approving
the
motion.
That's
going
to
ask
the
mayor
to
approach
the
federal
government
for
protection
right
now.
There
is
no
shield.
There
is
no
protection
for
these
lands
and
when
I
have
written
to
the
agriculture
minister,
the
former
minister
lawrence
mccauley
on
two
occasions-
and
I
said
what
is
the
criteria
that
you
use?
C
Obviously
we
can
understand
the
public
good
or
the
public
benefits
of
having
a
hospital,
but
obviously
you
get
I'm
sure.
They're
asked
a
number
of
times
to
yield
just
a
little
bit
of
land
here
and
there
for
other
purposes,
but
the
federal
government
does
not
make
that
available.
They
acknowledged
the
significance
of
the
experimental
firm.
They
acknowledge
the
historic
values
but
they've
never
committed
to
advancing
that
with
legislation,
and
I
think
the
firm
is
very
vulnerable.
C
I
think
as
we
as
we
proceed
in
the
future
with
with
future
governments
that
land
could
be
vulnerable,
we
absolutely
need
protection
and
I'm
very
happy
in
that
regard,
so
I've
I've
always
committed
to
working
with
the
hospital
that
this
is
the
site
that
the
federal
government
and
hospital
decided
on.
Obviously
I
want
to
work
with
them
to
make
this
happen,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
my
neighboring
colleagues,
not
just
counselor
lieber,
but
counselors
menard
and
mckinney,
and
all
counselors
who've
been
engaged
and
immersed
themselves
in
this
issue.
I
thank
you.
C
Obviously
it
doesn't
end
today
there
will
be
site-specific
site
plans
that
come
back,
but
this
is
a
near-decade-long
project,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
runway
left
so
chair.
I
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
of
work
obviously
has
gone
into
this
many
years.
Many
years
will
continue,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone,
including
the
public,
for
their
work
in
this
regard.
So
thank
you.
B
B
We've
got
a
few
of
these
meetings.
Coming
up
these
these
these
longer
meetings.
I
I
can't
even
tell
you
councillor
gower,
knows
the
legislative
agenda
coming
up
for
planning
committee.
We
went
through
an
hour
meeting
and
then
staff
said
okay.
So
here's
what's
coming
in
november,
the
first
hour,
which
is
it's,
why
it's
not
let's
play
something.
So
we
haven't.
B
B
Oh,
we
just
mind
the
slow,
hopefully
everything's,
fine,
because
my
computer
did
tell
me
that
I'm
my
connection
is
unstable.
Apparently
my
even
my
direct
north
korea
connection
at
my
office
is
unstable,
such
as
life,
all
right.
So
the
item
for
us.
So
that's
actually
the
item
that
it's
okay,
that's
the
item
that
came
to
the
joint
committee.
That's
actually
not
the
item
on
this
agenda,
but
it's
the
same
idea
so
that
plan
committee
recommend
council
a
endorsed.
B
The
master
site
plan,
approval
of
the
auto
hospital,
as
shown
in
document
two
and
as
conditioned
and
described
in
documents.
Five
and
six
be
reinstate,
delegated
authoritative,
bachelor's
dependence,
in
accordance
with
this
report
and
c
approved
amendment
to
the
zoning
map
of
zoning
bylaw
2008-250
to
remove
the
holding
symbol
over
930,
carling
avenue
and
520
preston
street
as
detailed
in
document
7.,
and
that
too
planning
committee
approved
the
consultation
details
section
of
this
report.