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From YouTube: Planning Committee – October 24, 2017
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Planning Committee meeting – October 24, 2017 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
Okay,
good
morning,
everyone
we
have
quorum,
so
we're
going
to
get
going.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
5
to
7
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
OMB
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
entero
Municipal
Board.
A
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
120
days,
a
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
180
days
for
an
official
plan.
Amendment
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door
for
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments,
no
I'm
pretty
sure
that
councillor,
hubely
and
councillors
sure
le
are
not
here
and
councillor.
Wilkinson
sign
is
here
so
I
guess
she's
attending
to
come
because
there's
whatever
hell
on
the
eastbound
Queens
Way.
A
A
A
Well,
why
don't
with
the
bullet
so
yeah?
So
what
can
I
introduce
it
then
right,
rather
than
have
any
Associated
staff
stay
during
the
presentations,
etc.
The
acquisition
of
Shea
Road
woods
has
been
a
priority
for
councillor
Kadri
through
his
terms
as
a
city
council
representing
Statesville,
and
you
know
recently
they
had
an
on-site
announcement
with
the
mayor
in
attendance
and
when
the
mayor
first
came
into
office,
councillor
Kadri
highlighted
the
importance
of
retaining
these
woods
and
the
mayor
has
been
supportive
all
of
long.
A
But
well
since
he's
come
on
to
council
back
onto
councillor
on
to
the
new
council.
You
know
you
were
quick
to
alert
him
to
that
through
the
development
of
the
Fernbank
community
design
plan.
Councillor
Kadri
also
ensured
that
the
Shea
Road
was
were
noted
in
the
CDP
as
an
area
to
be
retained
and
you've
continued
to
follow,
through
with
the
planning
department,
to
ensure
that
saving
these
woods
was
a
priority,
and
today
we
have
them
before
us
councillor.
Kadri
thank.
B
B
We
as
a
community
are
now
one
step
closer
to
celebrating
the
projection
of
these
woods,
which
otherwise
would
be
developed.
I
would
like
to
thank
mayor
Watson
and
city
staff,
along
with
CRT
development,
for
their
support
in
working
with
me
to
protect
this
important
green
space
so
that
it
can
continue
to
be
enjoyed
by
the
community
and
future
generations.
B
Specifically,
I
would
like
to
highlight
the
following
staff:
Stephen
Willis,
John
Smith
next
Oh
James,
buzzer,
Mark,
Richardson,
Kevin,
berry
and
Jennifer
Shepherd
for
all
their
hard
work
on
this
file.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
councilor,
council
and
councillors
planning
committee
and
share
harder
for
providing
her
support
along
with
this
committee,
protecting
green
space
selector.
She
Road
woods
is
not
only
an
ecological
priority.
It
is
also
commitment
to
quality
of
life
for
our
residents,
who
value
having
spaces
where
they
can
enjoy
nature
within
the
city.
B
As
you
know,
Statesville
is
a
growing
and
is
one
of
the
fastest
growing
areas
in
the
Kin
in
ottawa,
and
importance
of
protecting
these
green
spaces
is
the
key
as
the
population
grows
and
neighborhoods
evolve.
We
will
continue
our
commitment
to
work,
to
maintain
these
valuable
urban
natural
areas
and
preserve
green
space
in
the
city,
as
you
will
have
seen
through
the
comments
submitted
to
the
committee
this
week
from
residents
about
the
acquisition
of
the
Sherrod
woods
just
read
a
couple
of
those
comments.
B
Although
they've
been
submitted
to
each
and
every
one
of
you,
we
have
moved
here
from
Canada
from
cancer
story
five
years
ago,
and
once
we
discover
this
beautiful
place,
we
began
to
meet
people.
I
was
struck
at
the
sense
of
community.
There
are
several
people
that
take
the
time
to
put
birdhouses
up
throughout
the
area.
There
are
others
that
ensure
there
is
seed
in
them
every
winter.
B
The
trees
and
shade
provide
a
calm
start
to
a
person's
otherwise
hectic
day
and
a
much-needed
exercise
opportunity
for
the
doggie
members
of
the
family.
Many
lasting
friendships
have
been
informed
on
these
woods.
So,
just
a
couple
of
comments
out
of
the
many
that
we
received
about
65
comments
this
week
on
this
particular
file
and
from
the
community's
perspective,
most
of
the
members
of
some
of
the
members
of
the
community
have
been
using
these
woods
for
about
3035
years
as
an
unofficial
dog
walking
area.
B
I'm
happy
to
see
this
file
finally
come
to
fruition
for
the
community
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
support,
especially
the
residents
of
this
of
my
community
that
have
not
only
localized
their
support,
but
also
have
you
know,
made
day-to-day
references
to
these
woods.
So
thanks
everybody
and
thanks
Jared
Thank.
A
Nick's
toe
did
a
terrific
job
on
this,
and
just
and
just
for
anyone,
the
audience
that
doesn't
know
CRT
that
we
kind
of
take
for
granted,
but
it's
Claridge
average
grab
Taggert
that
work
together
on
that
and
I,
don't
recall
a
woods,
including
the
peein
woods,
which
is
bigger,
bigger
than
Inc
than
Shea
woods.
What
is
by
a
lot
but
30
acres
that
where
we
had
that
kind
of
communications
from
the
people
in
the
area
so
just
shows
how
important
it
is.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
The
next
item
up
is
the
Heritage
application
application
to
alter
61
Park
Road
property
located
in
Rockville
Park
Heritage
Conservation,
District
designated
under
part
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
and
we
have
two
speakers
on
that,
so
that
one's
going
to
be
held
as
well.
Next
up
is
part
of
62
11,
Renault
Road
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
A
A
B
A
A
Okay?
Well,
why
well
we'll
have
to
hold
it
then,
unless
it's
simple
okay,
does
everyone
want
to
give
councillor
Brockington
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
simple
question?
Thank
you.
This
is
just
for
the
audience.
It's
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
nine,
nine
one
carling
avenue
for
a
temporary
three
year,
parking
lot.
C
Thank
you,
madam
sure.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
I
am
supportive
of
the
recommendation,
but
I
do
have
a
question.
I
think
it's
important
to
ask,
and
that
is
what
role
does
staff
have
city
staff
have
to
play
before
we
entertain
these
types
of
requests
in
asking
the
hospital
or
any
other
employer
to
promote
alternate
modes
like
public
transit?
How
does
that
get
factored
into
the
conversation
before
we
grant
use
of
a
parking
lot
for
74
vehicles?
How
does
the
city
incorporate
public
transit
in
those
types
of
conversations?
C
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Basically,
when
request
comes
in
for
us
in
this
case
a
temporary
parking
lot
here,
we
look
at
the
land-use
implications
on
this
site.
Is
it
to
make
good
planning
with
respect
and
I
understand
the
councillors?
Those
are
very
good
points
to
work
on,
but
they
wouldn't
be
dealt
with
this
part
of
whether
or
not
you
should
be
zoned
this
to
have
a
parking
space.
They
might
be
done
actually
through,
say
the
redevelopment
of
the
hospital
like
her
in
the
future
and
programs
like
that,
but
certainly
not
as
part
of
this
application.
C
C
D
C
Mr.
James
said
we'd
be
looking
for
major
employers
like
the
hospital
to
develop
their
own
travel
demand
management
plans
which
would
encourage
their
employees
to
take
alternative
forms
of
transportation,
and,
as
we
look
as
mr.
James
says,
as
we
look
to
the
new
facility
that
will
likely
be
one
of
the
requirements
that
we
would
expect
from
them.
Coming
forward.
A
Thank
you.
So
let's
say
anyone.
No
one
else
has
any
questions.
Mr.
Phillips,
do
you
need
to
speak
for?
Are
you
if
we
are
prepared
to
carry
this
and
I
will
add
that
Bashir?
Who
is
the
well
well-known?
He
came
to
see
me
as
a
courtesy
as
well.
I
was
surprised
because
this
is
something
that
you
are
in
favor
of,
but
it's
good.
He
are
you
here
today,
good
there.
You
are
hello
thanks
for
coming
it
again.
So,
on
this
item
of
zoning
bylaw
amendment
991
carling
avenue
as
a
carry
thank
you.
A
So
then
we
have
the
Green
Bank
Road
water,
main
class
environmental
assessment
study.
That's
in
my
ward!
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
the
two
of
them?
You
want
it.
Okay,
okay,
we'll
have
to
hold
hold
both
of
them
a
10-9.
A
They
are
linked,
just
eight
just
eight,
or
do
we
want
nine
to
you're
gonna,
ask
the
questions.
At
the
same
time,
sorry,
mr.
gong,
hey
I've,
been
going
and
finding
are
you
here
still
go,
find
a
room,
and
you
know
someone
will
let
you
know
when
to
come
back
if
you,
unless
you
want
to
stay
for
the
pure
enjoyment
of
it
all
right.
So
if
we're
not
holding
North
Island
link
environmental
assessment
study
is
that
one
carry
we
have
no
speakers
carry
and
then
we
have
information
previously
distributed,
which
was
bill.
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee
I'm
introducing
you
to
Diane
Emerson.
It
was
a
Senior
Planner
in
recreation,
culture
and
facility
services.
She
transferred
over
at
the
big
change
last
October,
but
we've
been
working
together
on
the
revisions
to
the
park
manual
and
the
stuff
that
Diane
is
presenting
today
for
quite
some
time
now,
as
the
changes
occurred
in
2014
at
this
moment,
I'll
just
hand
it
all
over
to
Diane.
F
Thank
you.
The
first
edition
of
the
park
manual
was
approved
in
2012.
The
manual
was
developed
to
define,
standardize
and
improve
the
development
of
new
parks
in
the
city.
The
first
edition
was
approved
in
2012
and
has
been
available
online
as
a
reference
tool.
Since
then,
in
2014,
a
new
funding
method
for
new
parks
was
approved,
discontinuing
the
collection
of
park
development
charges
for
non
district
parks
outside
the
Greenbelt
in
favour
of
a
developer
built
process
for
perks.
F
Under
the
new
process,
the
developers
build
the
perks
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
in
lieu
of
paying
park
development
charges.
The
park
manual
required
an
update
due
to
the
new
process
for
developer,
built
perks
and
also
recommendations
by
the
building
better
and
smarter
suburbs
team
to
create
two
new
park.
Topologies.
F
F
The
two
new
typology
z'
that
have
been
introduced
into
the
manual
are
the
urban
park
at
plaza
and
the
woodland
park.
The
key
features
of
the
urban
park
at
plazas
are
that
they
are
parks
located
in
an
inner
urban
core
area,
then
or
a
mixed-use
town
center
or
along
a
Main
Street
amenities
may
include
decorative,
paving
shade
structures,
water
features,
seating
game
tables
and
play
components.
These
perks
are
multifunctional
within
a
confined
area
of
space
urban
park
heads
may
be
as
small
as
four
hundred
square
meters.
F
Key
features
of
the
woodland
parks
are
that
woodland
perks
may
only
be
created
where
woodland
is
existing
and
is
of
good
quality
and
where
active
recreation
amenities
are
existing.
Nearby
recreational
facilities,
such
as
trails,
seating
or
small
play
areas
may
be
established
in
a
way
that
will
not
compromise
the
integrity
of
the
ecosystem
in
the
woodland.
The
woodland
management
plan
is
provided
to
ensure
best
practices,
best
best
maintenance
practices
to
preserve
and
enhance
the
woodland.
A
recently
built
example
is
Haven
crust,
Woodland
Park
in
bar
Haven.
F
F
F
F
Additional
revisions
were
required
in
the
second
edition.
A
project
charter
is
now
required
for
each
new
park
and
is
itemized
and
explained
in
the
manual
accessibility.
Section
has
been
updated
to
reflect
the
accessibility
for
Ontarians
with
Disabilities
Act
and
also
the
city
accessibility
manual.
The
older
adults
section
has
been
revised
to
reflect
the
older
adult
action
plan.
The
parks
and
public
health
section
has
been
revised
to
reflect
current
health
priorities.
F
Extensive
consultation
was
undertaken
with
city
staff
in
different
departments
and
the
building
and
better
and
smarter
team
suburbs
team
and
the
Greater
Ottawa
Home,
Builders,
Association
and
I
in
an
online
survey.
All
respondents
indicated
that
the
park
manual
2nd
edition
was
a
good
reference
document
and
easy
to
use
and
find
information
in.
F
Conclusion,
the
2nd
edition
of
the
perk
development
manual
will
ensure
the
new
a
part
process
for
developer
built
parks
is
clearly
understood
by
all
stakeholders.
The
document
will
introduce
and
provide
criteria
for
two
new
park
topologies.
This
document
will
continue
to
help
to
ensure
quality
perps
are
built
for
all
residents
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
B
You
very
much
madam
chair
and
just
two
questions,
madam
chair.
In
terms
of
the
thank
you
for
your
presentation
by
the
way,
in
terms
of
the
park
plans
going
forward
in
terms
of
development,
I'm,
hearing
different
stories,
one
is
that
you
know
the
developers
building
those
parts
understood,
but
there's
something
about
building
permits,
how
to
be
satisfied.
Number
off
before
the
park
can
move
forward.
And
secondly,
now
the
question
is
the
developer
is
saying
that
they're
going
to
build
a
partnership.
B
E
Thank
You
counselor
Madame
shared
the
time
line
of
park.
Development
in
new
subdivisions
is
linked
directly
to
the
builders
projections
for
how
they
will
eventually
fill
out
these
subdivisions.
We
are
not
able
to
give
precise
predictions
because
we
are
linked
to
the
subdivision.
Approval
process
upon
registration
developers
are
at
that
point
engaged
and
required
to
provide
us
with
the
design
plans,
and
at
that
point
we
also
take
securities
to
ensure
that
these
parks
are
delivered
as
as
planned.
E
B
You
for
that
response,
mr.
Berry,
but
I'm
hearing
and
one
of
the
developments
in
Fernbank
the
fact
that
now
there's
some
permits
required
for
building
permits
and
to
be
satisfied
before
the
developer
even
starts
on
the
park.
And
if
that's
a
change
in
policy,
whether
that
change
happen
in
the
policy
I.
E
Believe
your
Tory,
madam
chair,
I,
believe
the
CalSTRS
talking
about
a
community
park
in
the
Fernbank
development,
given
the
size
and
scale
of
that
Park
and
the
costs
of
actually
implementing
that
part.
We
triggered
Park
development
commencing
at
50%
of
building
permits
being
issued.
This
ensured
that,
first
of
all,
there
was
people
there
to
start
using
the
park
once
it's
once.
We
could
start
building
it,
but
also
it
gave
our
development
industry
opportunity
to
ensure
that
they
had
sufficient
capacity
within
their
own
organization
to
start
this
project.
So.
B
E
A
G
Thanks
your
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions:
first
steps:
weary
I,
just
am
interested
in
the
size
of
the
urban
parks.
There
are
some
guidelines
in
here
now
for
the
new
urban
park.
Het
and
plaza.
We've
been
talking
a
fair
bit
about
1976
Scot,
where
if
that
proposal
goes
through
and
I
hope
it
doesn't,
the
we
will
get
a
new
city
park
in
there.
How
big
is
that
No.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
perky's
referencing
is
one
of
our
very
first
urban
Park
hats
that
we've
actually
acquired
using
the
Planning
Act.
It
is
approximately
five
hundred
square
meters
in
size.
Okay,
by
comparison,
I
would
rate
this
room
at
approximately
four
hundred
square
meters,
fantastic.
So.
G
E
Madam
chair,
the
service
area
radius
helps
us
in
Greenfield
communities,
as
new
parts
are
being
developed
to
place
parks
within
neighborhoods
within
certain
walking
distances
from
each
other
and
to
allow
residents
to
enjoy
parks
more
readily
or
more
handling
the
smaller
the
park,
the
smaller
the
radius,
because
there's
fewer
amenities
in
there
and
they
are
places
for
relaxation
or
enjoyment
or
smaller
scale.
Participation.
Community
parks,
on
the
other
hand,
are
set
much
further
apart,
because
they're
serving
a
larger
area,
and
that
is
the
radius
that
we're
talking
about
so
I'm.
G
Just
why
what
sort
of
choices
get
made
through
that
so,
for
example,
for
these
urban
Park,
hets
and
plazas,
it
notes
that
the
you
know
it
does
vary
with
context,
but
for
residential
areas,
it's
2
to
5
minute
walking
distance.
What
kind
of
choices
would
be
made
differently
your
food
to
say
that
the
service
area
radius
was
10
minutes
or
20
minutes
walking
distance.
A
madam.
E
Chair
the
walking
distance
is
he's,
referencing
would
be
for
larger
scale.
Facilities
such
as
sports
fields,
large
tennis,
court
complex,
is
things
that
are
serving
greater
community
in
the
urban
park
at
and
plaza.
Frankly,
these
are
opportunities
that
we
are
looking
to
take
whenever
they
arrive.
We
can't
necessarily
predict
how
often
we
will
have
those,
because
it
really
involves
an
intensification
or
redevelopment
of
an
urban
site
that
is
itself
4,000
square
meters
in
size
or
greater.
E
We
we
seek
to
take
these
opportunities
as
much
as
we
can
using
your
you're
using
McCray
Avenue.
As
an
example,
had
we
requested
on
the
trailhead
site
a
small
park
at
when
we
already
have
one
across
the
street,
it
negates
potentially
the
need
for
that
urban
park
at
across
the
street,
because
we've
already
established
it
so.
G
At
1976
Scott
we're
assuming
that
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
using
it
are
within,
say
a
2
to
5
minute
walking
distance.
That
is
correct,
so
I'm
interested
in
how
that
relates
to
something
like
Winston's
square,
for
instance,
which
is
an
urban
park
at
even
though
it's
not
necessarily
designated
park
where
it's
intended
to
serve
actually
a
whole
community.
Despite
its
small
size,
because
we
program
it
with
with
programming,
that's
intended
to
bring
people.
E
Madam
chair,
we
have
a
very
few
of
these
squares.
They're
called
they're,
not
actually
parks,
and
these
those
would
be
working
in
consultation
with
first
since
local
business
improvement
associations
when
I
think
of
Winston
square
on
a
traditional
Main
Street.
It
serves
a
different
purpose
and
again
it's
us
taking
advantage
of
a
situation
to
promote
community
use
within
our
urban
fabric.
So.
G
I
think
the
the
key
point
there
is
that
it's
varies
with
contexts.
There
would
be
a
lot
of
consultation
and
these
one-offs
are
going
to
be
looked
at
differently,
one
from
the
other.
The
urban
park
ket's
shall
have,
according
to
the
guidelines,
active
recreation
amenities
that
are
suitable
to
the
demographic,
was
any
thought
given
to
not
having
any
active
amenities
at
all
to
leaving
some
of
these
urban
park
hets
as
we
move
forward
without
programming
as
just
a
pause
in
the
street.
Maybe
a
bench,
for
example,.
E
G
E
G
H
E
E
We
track
each
one
of
these
as
they
come
forward
and
we
have
been
maintaining
what's
best
described
as
the
legacy
development
park
development
charge
fund
within
that
we
have
funded
either
a
city
build
of
a
park
because
there
is
no
developer
handy
or
we
return
developing
charges
that
we
took
from
a
developer
back
to
said
developer
for
them
to
build
the
balance
of
the
park.
Based
on
what
point
in
time
they
are
at
this
transition
period,
I
don't
expect
to
Mack
lasts
much
longer.
E
We
are
currently
working
with
Claridge,
actually
within
Easton
Park
right
now,
but
we
have
funded
through
the
legacy
development
charges,
various
park
constructions
by
the
development
industry
and
at
budget
this
year
you
will
see
us
actually
looking
to
sit
City
build
certain
legacy,
parts
that
were
also
caught
in
transition.
That
is
part
of
the
2018
budget,
submission
by
our
CFS.
E
H
Forecasts
are
very
nice.
That's
what
you
plan
to
spend
money
doing.
My
question
is:
can
you
provide
a
list
of
the
parks
you
feel
are
caught
outside
of
the
process,
so
that
council
agrees
that
you
have
captured
all
the
parks
that
are
caught
outside
the
process,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
we
would
agree.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at
Kevin
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
what
I'm
thinking
of
and,
if
I'm,
in
that
boat
I
would
bet
that
there
are
other
councillors
who
might
be
in
the
same
boat.
E
J
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
thank
you
for
this
report.
It
is
easier
to
follow
than
the
other
one
I
know
that
you
said:
there's
consultation
and
doing
it,
but
it
wasn't
with
the
general
public
so
that
I
think
there.
Now
we
only
do
that
with
the
individual
part
plans
later
on,
but
this
is
something
to
take
account
of
I
thinking
and
going
forward.
It
may
do
some
questions
later
on
that
come
up
one
of
the
things
that
I
saw
in
there.
First
of
all,
on
curb
cuts.
J
I
have
a
park,
that's
an
example
of
where
there
should
have
been
a
curb
cut
and
there
isn't
there
is
this
a
square
park,
but
there's
a
road
that
comes
up
halfway
through
the
park
and
that's
where
the
walkway
is
to
go
cross
to
get
to
things
in
the
park.
There's
no
curb
cut
so
I
have
to
tell
me
they
have
to
come
up
the
other
street
go
all
the
way
around
to
the
next
block
away
cross
the
road
at
the
corner.
J
There
come
all
the
way
back
to
use
it,
which,
of
course,
people
don't
do,
but
for
wheelchair,
it's
almost
impossible
and
when
I
went
to
talk
to
staff
about
it.
I
said
well,
according
to
the
manuals,
when
it's
a
three
there's
three
streets,
not
a
full
intersection,
because
the
fourth
streets,
the
park,
we
don't
do
them.
I,
haven't
given
up
on
that
yet,
but
I'm
hoping
in
the
curb
cutting
one
that,
in
fact,
when
you
have
the
entrance
to
the
park
and
it's
a
major
walkway
through
it,
there
will
be
curb
cuts
at
that
point.
J
Even
if
it's
not
in
the
street,
it's
pretty
a
mid-block
crossing,
but
it's
needed
and
that
it
wasn't
clear
what
it
said
in
there
you're
going
to
follow
the
curb
cuts
according
to
the
manual
and
that's
what
they
did
in
this
case.
So
it's
just
leaving
that
with
you
to
make
sure
that
there's
some
clarification
that
we
do
have
to
have
them,
where
the
main
entrance
to
the
parks
are
and.
K
J
F
J
J
There
was
a
fit
plan
done
on
the
expansion
Lance
off
markets.
That's
the
first
time,
I've
seen
them
using
a
big
plan.
It
was
done
by
the
consultants
by
just
using
stuff
from
the
park
master
plan.
I
made
this
match.
Then
he
talked
to
staff.
We
saw
it
at
the
Crowne
Group.
The
difficulty
with
that
is.
It
has
some
things
that
I
thought
we're
missing
when
it
came
to
council.
J
That's
where
I
raised
the
point,
you're
having
two
playing
fields
and
an
ice
rink
and
everything
else,
there's
no
washrooms,
which
is
a
big
omission
in
this
whole
document.
It
never
mentions
washrooms.
It
mentions
community
buildings,
you
can
have
washrooms
without
community
buildings
as
well
and
now
they're
putting
in
all
these
johnny-on-the-spot
sand
many
parks
because
there
aren't
any
there.
It
was
so
much
better
because
we
now
have
water
and
sewer
at
every
part
and
those
parts
which
have
a
lot
of
playing
fields,
particularly
to
have
a
washroom.
But
it's
not.
E
Madam
chair,
to
respond
to
the
first
question
regarding
parks,
where
mid-block
crossings
are
required,
courtesy
recent
changes
we
are
actually
employing
in
certain
locations,
mid-block
crossings
using
pedestrian
crossovers.
We
did
not
have
that
in
the
past
and
that
block
connections
were
not
something
that
we
could
control
in
the
sense
that
permission
for
crossing
the
street
is
actually
outside
the
park
boundary.
E
However,
in
our
now
in
our
park,
master
plans
that
are
going
forward,
we
actually
encourage
to
Street
frontages
to
parks
and
an
intersection
so
that
people
can
access
the
park
at
an
appropriate
location
regarding
building
facilities
of
any
kind
into
a
city
park.
The
park
plans
will
address
or
reserve
space
within
a
park
conceptually
for
a
new
building
to
be
provided,
whether
it's
a
very
small
one
for
a
bathroom
or
a
large
one
for
a
community
center.
E
J
On
the
curb
cuts,
this
one
I'm
talking
about
is
a
new
park,
there's
only
built
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
maybe
just
before
we
change
the
policies,
but
the
issue
is
not
that
it's
they're
saying
now:
they
won't
do
it
so
I'll
keep
on
that
one
so
that
the
fit
plan,
but
the
problem
I
have
with
it,
is
they're
done
sometimes
years
ahead
of
when
that
Park
will
be
develop.
Sickly
in
expansion,
land
source
done
has
done
two
years
ago.
J
A
A
F
F
And
there
are
facility
fit
plans
within
the
area
parks
plan
which
is
in
a
part
of
the
manual,
but
we
would
revisit
all
the
when
we
have
a
facility
fit
plan
for
a
park.
We
revisit
that
at
the
concept
planning
stage
and
that's
when
we
get
into
the
consultation
with
yourselves
with
the
councillors
and
with
the
public,
and
we
certainly
can
make
amendments
to
those
plans
at
that
time
before
moving
forward.
So.
L
J
Last
things
I
just
want
to
mention
is
I.
Look
at
all
these
things,
and
they
all
look
and
set
things
up
is
that
the
land
is
perfectly
flat
and
easy
to
work
on.
I.
Don't
have
much
of
that
in
my
area.
I
have
a
lot
of
rock,
and
things
like
that.
It
makes
it
trickier.
Are
these
plans
when
we're
doing
them?
We've
had
to
be
very
flexible
in
some
or
it
costs
a
huge
amount
of
money
because
they
have
to
blast
the
rock
away?
J
F
A
M
M
M
I'm
not
going
that
far
but
anyway,
there's
definitely
issues
with
the
roads
today
for
sure.
A
couple
questions
on
this
manual
just
first
up
for
ask
my
question:
I
want
to
follow
up
on
councilor
leapers
point
about
the
pass
up
parks
where
the
wording
says
shall
have
some
activity
in
it.
My
fear
with
that
is,
as
you
said,
to
councilor
leaper.
E
Madam
chair,
along
with
our
report
here,
where
we've
asked
for
delegated
authority
for
the
general
manager
to
make
tweaks
as
necessary,
I'd
be
happy
to
look
at
the
word.
Shell
and
say
should
consider
something
more
appropriate.
Speaking
to
the
woodlot
thing,
councillor
Harder's
aware
of
a
play
structure
we
just
placed
in
Haven
crest
Park
of
great
success.
Each
property
needs
to
be
looked
at.
Of
course,
I
wonder.
M
If,
just
if
we're
going
to
delegate
the
authority
to
it,
it
should
also
include
the
word
councillor,
because
I
think
we
represent
the
residents
of
the
area
or
should
know
what
the
people
in
the
community.
Why
and
I
don't
I've
had
these
fights
already
I
don't
want
to
have
them
again.
We
made
a
lot
of
changes
to
this,
madam
chair.
When
we
did
building
better
suburbs,
the
intent
was
to
take
away
the
red
tape
from
trying
to
get
a
packed
onion.
We
knew
of
examples
where
it
took
I.
M
Believe
was
ten
years,
one
in
Orleans
to
get
the
park
built,
and
we
purposely
did
this
as
a
pilot
under
the
building
better
suburbs,
to
get
rid
of
the
tape.
The
idea
was
to
keep
it
very
simple
and
move
a
forward.
Was
staff
would
set
the
criteria
for
what
needed
to
be
in
the
park.
The
minimum
requirement
developer
goes
away,
builds
it.
We
come
back
in
and
inspect
it
later.
If
it
doesn't
meet
those
minimums,
then
there's
a
problem,
but
in
most
cases
at
least
in
the
ones
I've
been
involved
with.
M
A
We
have,
and
in
fact
Mary
Jarvis
is
Mary's
here
to
speak
to
her
involvement
in
it
as
an
industry
rep
and
as
far
as
the
delegated
authority.
That's
probably
something
you
want
to
take
note
of
for
when
we
do
the
next
governance
review.
If
you
want
to
include
that,
if
you
want
to
make
a
change
for
it,
I
would
be
a
more
appropriate
I,
don't
know
miss
anta.
You
probably
don't
have
history
on
that,
but
I'll
follow
up.
If
you
want
before
counsel
yeah.
M
A
C
There
any
I
reach
I
know
these
are
amendments
to
the
manual,
but
was
your
consultation
with
various
staff
and
the
Home
Builders
Association
spanned
almost
three
years.
At
any
point,
did
you
do
outreach
with
the
public
and
interested
public
stakeholder
groups
who
may
want
to
have
seen
these
proposals
and
provide
comment.
E
D
Forget
Thank
You,
chair
yeah,
I
I
had
a
similar
concern
as
counselor
cube,
Li
and
Lieber
about
the
shell,
and
my
concern
was
specifically
on
the
park
ATS,
where
a
minimum
size
is
dictated
and
a
specification,
for
example,
that
a
that
a
park
at
need
be
rectangular.
Those
are
the
types
of
things
where
you
can
imagine
a
situation
where
perhaps
you
have
slightly
less
than
port
2.4
hectare
or
you
have
a
shape
because
of
the
way
the
land
ownership
is
situated,
that
isn't
rectangular.
D
So
in
those
cases
I
mean
guidelines
are
generally
seen
as
not
compulsory.
Guidelines
are
interpretive,
but
then,
when
you
see
the
word
shell
that
suggests
that
it's
mandatory,
so
I
I
do
think
there.
There
is
an
issue
there
that
we
need
to
sort
out
as
to
whether
or
not
one
could
reasonably
expect
to
vary
from
what
is
specified
here
for
the
design.
So
that's
the
first
question,
I
guess
is:
do
staff
see
the
ability
to
move
forward
on
a
particular
type
of
park
in
a
way
that
is
not
consistent
with
the
size
requirements?
E
Madam
chair,
the
minimum
size
of
four
hundred
square
meters
came
up
as
a
joint
venture
between
urban
design
planning
department,
recreation
staff
touring
every
small
park
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
We
actually
investigated
to
see
what
is
too
small.
What
is
our
minimum
standard
and
then
shape
came
into
perspective.
The
reason
Frey
we're
ensign
rectangular
because
we
did
perceive
a
risk
of
two
meter
wide
by.
E
However,
many
meters
long
part
being
proposed
through
a
process
which
would
actually
not
serve
any
great
function
or
not
give
us
sufficient
rationale
to
proceed
with
a
park
acquisition
of
that
kind.
We
recommend
a
regular
shape
to
the
park
so
that
we
can
put
basic
amenities
in
it,
whether
it
be
a
gazebo,
a
fountain
patio
space.
We
need
to
ensure
that
the
property
that
is
being
acquired
is
something
that
is
going
to
serve
us
over
the
longer
term.
E
D
Maybe
the
the
difference
interpretation
is
you're,
talking
about
property
being
acquired,
but
in
I
can
think
of
a
number
of
cases,
including
a
small
park,
yet
that
we
just
worked
on
over
the
last
couple
of
months.
That
was
existing
city
property.
So
this
was
a
matter
of
turning
what
was
essentially
a
grass
area
into
something
that
was
akin
to
a
park
head
and
I.
E
Madame,
chair
speaking
to
the
caption
of
parkland
peace,
cash
in
lieu
of
park,
land
is
fully
eligible
to
acquire
property
and
to
build
recreational
facility
or
recreational
components
within
a
park
plant
or
any
city-owned
land.
The
only
time
you
can't
use
your
cash
in
lieu
of
parkland
is
whether
the
improvement
is
not
permanent
or
whether
the
improvement
is
not
recreational
in
nature
or,
if
it's
to
occur
on
privately
owned.
E
A
Answer
is
no,
for
example,
cash
in
lieu
of
parkland
I
mean
I.
Kevin
can
confirm
this,
but
I
don't
know
who
else
is
doing
this,
but
you
know
we
I
have
great
good
fortune
of
having
the
almost
40
year-old,
Walter,
Baker,
SportsCenter's,
200,000
square
foot.
Building
and
I
invest
my
casual
parkland
in
there
a
lot
new
new
scoreboards
time
clocks
for
all
the
ice
users,
new
carpets
for
the
that
are
far
outdated
in
the
change
rooms
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
too.
So
the
cash
a
little
part
plans
has
to
be.
A
D
A
There
is
an
application
that
I'm
working
on
now
in
Stonebridge
area
and
the
developer
wanted
to
call
something
a
park
at
and
the
city
staff
said
no
that
doesn't
fit
under
our
terms,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
give
cash
a
little
park
line,
they're
still
going
to
do
what
they
wanted
to
do,
but
you
see
when
they
deem
it
to
be
parkland,
then
they
have
to
take
over
and
maintain
it
right.
So
that's
part,
so
sometimes
it
doesn't
fit
for
the
qualification
either
councilor
Kadri
and
then
that's
then
married
you're
up.
Thank.
B
You
again,
madam
chair,
and
just
one
question
about
the
accessibility
that's
been
raised
on
this
table
this
morning
in
terms
of
the
road
cuts
that
comes
to
Wilkinson
was
speaking
about
if
you're
building
a
new
park,
and
it
leads
to
an
existing
pathway
already
built.
Previously,
we
responsible
to
make
sure
that
that
pathway
is
accessible
into
the
park
or
not.
E
The
madam
chair,
if
we're
connecting
to
something
that
exists
and
is
historical
as
in
it,
was
constructed
way
in
advance
of
this
park,
that
would
be
out
of
scope
for
the
new
park
development.
The
new
park
development
applies
to
that
property
in
the
future.
When
pathway
reconstruction
will
be
required,
it
must
meet
NOAA
standards
and.
B
I
appreciate
that
answer
mr.
Barry,
but
the
concern
we
have
as
a
city
that
we
get
this
accessibility
plan.
That's
coming
in
place
by
the
province
by
2021
to
say
that
all
you
know
the
facilities
should
be
accessible
or
the
park
should
be
accessible.
If
we
are
dealing
with
this
kind
of
a
scenario,
are
we
working
towards
making
that
accessible
and
I
heard?
You
earlier
comment
that
there's
not
enough
money
in
the
budget
for
parts?
Is
there
a
need
for
additional
money
through
another
budget
process
for
accessibility?
You
know
upgrade
these
kind
of
scenarios.
E
Madam
chair,
the
park
process
in
the
manual
we
have
today
ensures
that
everything
we
build
is
accessible.
However,
go
forward
plan
for
other
properties
outside
of
this
manual
is
really
the
it's
the
responsibility
of
infrastructure
services
and
we
do
work
with
them
for
updating
city
facilities
and
Parks.
However,
that
is
a
different
purpose
for
what
we're
here
today
and
I
did
not
bring
the
right
staff
to
discuss
that.
Thank.
N
N
N
The
Park
DC
was
discontinued
in
favor
of
home
of
the
Home
Builders,
assuming
responsibility
to
build
these
facilities
and
new
communities
in
early
2015,
a
working
group
which
included
city
staff
and
goba
Greater
Ottawa
Home
Builders
Association
representatives
moved
towards
clarification
of
the
new
process
at
work
to
complete
a
new
set
of
subdivision
conditions
for
parks
in
defining
the
process
for
a
design.
Approval
of
developer,
build
parks,
not
always
rosy,
but
we
work
through
it.
N
So
the
various
issues
that
arose
through
the
process
since
2012
the
determination
of
city
standards
for
various
park,
amenities,
the
need
to
standardize
and
better
document
standards.
They
need
to
document
an
itemized
how
park
design
drawings
are
reviewed
and
approved
by
city
staff,
and
we
found
that
timing
was
critical
confusion
over
who
does
what
and
one
and
when
it
comes
to
park,
design,
public
consultation
and
park
construction.
N
Despite
the
speed
bumps
inherited
inherent
in
any
approach,
the
process
has
borne
fruit
in
mid-2016
and
into
2017
we're
happy
to
say
that
this
at
least
ten
new
parks
were
built
under
the
developer
built
process.
These
parks
include
in
the
water
Ridge
community,
a
kennel
and
subdivision
Alliance
Park
and
assumed
to
be
named
Park
number
nine.
The
guiness
Park
River
miss
park,
Maplewood
park,
Henry
Rock,
Park,
sweet
Valley,
Trail,
Park
Patrick,
do
Gate,
Park
and
Albert
argue
black
park.
N
And
today
we're
here
with
the
completed
second
edition
of
the
manual
for
the
park
development,
and
it
includes
the
section
detailing
the
developer
built
part
process.
Goba
has
actively
participated
in
clarifying
the
process
in
addressing
the
unresolved
issues
to
improve
this
process,
and
given
that
the
park
development
now
resides
with
the
recreation
culture
facility,
services
did
I,
get
it
right.
Okay,
and
we
now
have
10
part
planners
assigned
to
working
with
us
in
the
development
of
parks,
and
this
is
an
increase
from
originally.
We
started
out,
I
guess
in
2012
with
four
park
planners.
N
It
has
improved
our
efficiency
and
also
improved
our
ability
to
get
information
from
staff
and
ensure
that
the
parks
plants
are
moving
along
smoothly.
So
these
are
mark
our
comments.
Thank
you
very
much
to
a
committee
to
Kevin
and
his
team,
and
we
look
forward
to
the
third
edition
and
making
further
improvements.
Thank.
M
N
M
A
You
thanks
very
much
Marion
yeah
I
was
just
leaned
over
to
mislead
and
to
say
I'm
surprised
that
this
is
under.
This
is
to
you
dent
I'm
surprised
that
this
is
under
kevin's
purview,
simply
because
he
has
so
much
on
his
plate
across
the
city.
So
thank
you,
miss
Emerson
for
all
the
work
that
you
have
done
on
this
and
clearly
I.
Think
we've
asked
a
lot
of
good
questions
and,
while
parks
are
definitely
one
of
the
most
important
products
or
services
that
we
provide
opportunities
for
people
just
to
have
some
space
in
this
city.
A
Okay,
the
next
we
have
a
presentation
that
mr.
Landry
is
going
to
do
and
it
is
on
building
better
smarter
suburbs
and
infrastructure
standards,
review
arterial,
road
cross-sections.
Now
before
you,
you
also
have
mister
megaliths,
and
you
also
have
mr.
Giles
and
so
through
the
evolution
of
building
better
smarter
suburbs.
A
I
can
tell
you
that
I
think
allow
you
or
first
of
the
three
of
you
on
the
block
and
then
when
we
started
to
get
more
focused
and
we
came
up
with
a
streets
portion
which
Kelsey
hubely
was
the
lead
on
as
a
council
sponsor
and
then
Phil
you
took
over
in
this
section
for
sure
and
it's
a
excellent
work.
You've
done.
So
we
look
forward
to
the
presentation.
K
Thank
you,
chair
her,
and
so,
as
Tara
heard
her
mentioned,
through
building
better
suburbs,
we
developed
to
create
a
are
terrible
cross
sections
working
group
to
review
existing
or
Cheryl
cross
sections
to
to
look
at
best
practices
and
try
to
improve
the
designs.
So
this
working
group
is
comprised
of
representatives
from
multiple
departments,
the
development
industry,
consultants
and,
as
chair
higher
dimension,
councillor
hubely
and
ensure
harder
were
sponsors
from
the
councillors
perspective.
K
So
this
is
the
current
cross-section
that
that
we
have
that
was
approved
in
2000
and
is
what
we
use
through
the
regional
Road
corridor
design
guidelines.
As
you
can
see,
there's
a
five
meter
wide
median
than
two
lanes
of
traffic,
a
bike
lane.
Then
we've
got
a
shoulder
sidewalks
and
then
an
outer
bull
of
ARCA
saria
Boulevard
and
an
outer
Boulevard.
So
the
width
there's
is
around
thirty
seven
and
a
half
meters
as
the
right-of-way
required
to
build
that.
K
So
the
next
few
slides
just
have
a
few
pictures
of
some
of
those
cross
sections
that
have
been
built.
This
is
on
standard
Drive,
looking
towards
the
east,
on
Hazeldine
Road,
looking
again
towards
the
east
and
on
trim
Road
looking
towards
the
south.
Again,
you
can
see
the
similar
types
of
designs.
You've
got
the
wide
median,
the
bike
lanes,
the
sidewalks
set
back
with
boulevards
and
some
trees,
and
you
can
also
see
the
utilities
with
the
hydro,
poles
and
streetlights.
K
So
when
we
looked
at
those
those
cross
sections,
we
the
new
ones,
are
intended
to
be
a
supplemental
to
the
regional
road
guidelines
that
have
been
approved.
So
it's
not
to
replace
them,
but
it's
to
be,
in
addition
to,
there
might
be
rational
and
reasons
why
you
might
want
to
maintain
this,
but
our
recommendations
through
the
working
group
is
to
go
with
what
I'm
going
to
be
moving
forward
with
through
this
presentation.
So
there's
two
specific
areas
that
stood
out
from
our
perspective.
K
One
was
the
wide
medians
that
we
see
in
front
of
us,
as
well
as
the
bike
lane
and
the
cycling
facilities.
So
once
we
reviewed
the
various
cycling
facilities
and
we've
been
moving
towards
building
cycle
tracks,
the
committee
recommended
that
in
lieu
of
building
bike
lanes
next
to
the
live
traffic,
that
cycle
tracks
should
be
built
in
in
the
corridor.
K
So
this
would
improve
comfort
and
safety
because
we
hear
from
cycling
advocates
and
stakeholders
that,
from
their
perspective,
put
in
bike
lanes
on
roads
that
are
60
or
70
or
80
kilometer
road,
climbers
they're
not
is
not
very
comfortable
for
them.
We
also
took
a
look
at
the
medians
and
from
our
perspective,
when
we
reviewed
this,
if
the
road
is
going
to
be
70
kilometers
an
hour
or
less
and
more
in
a
built
in
area,
medians
aren't
required.
K
We
would
only
see
me
as
required
if
the
roads
design
an
operate
at
80
kilometers
an
hour
and-
and
in
that
case
we
wouldn't
recommend
putting
the
wide
5
metre
wide
median,
but
again
just
a
1.5
meter
wide
median
and
then
at
intersections.
The
road
would
flare
out
to
provide
for
some
left
turn
left
turn
lanes
several
now.
One
of
the
other
benefits
of
this
review
is
that
we
did
identify
some
cost
savings
in
terms
of
cost
to
build
these
roads.
K
We
found
that
we
would
gain
between
a
yield
of
17
to
20
homes
within
a
1
kilometre
stretch
of
road.
So
that's
an
improvement
from
from
a
development
perspective,
so
in
terms
of
the
cross
sections
I'll
go
through
through
some
some
some
drawings
here
that
identify
what
we're
proposing.
So
this
first
one
is
more
as
our
recommended
one.
In
most
cases
again,
you've
got
the
the
travel
lane
of
two
lanes
in
each
direction.
You
then
have
a
Boulevard
that
allows
you
to
put
your
utilities.
K
We
then
put
the
cycle
track
and
we
separate
the
sidewalk
with
another
Boulevard,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
to
is
to
try
to
mitigate
the
influence
between
both
modes
of
transportation.
So
this
cross
section
is
about
32
meters
in
width,
which
is
5
meters
less
than
the
one
that
had
been
in
the
guidelines.
K
K
They'll
be
areas
such
as
in
the
green
belts
or
forested
areas,
where
there's
not
much
land
development
next
to
the
road
and
our
recommendation
is
to
put
a
multi-use
pathway.
We
see
that
similar
on
on
Woodruff
today,
between
going
through
the
Greenbelt,
where
you
would
put
the
multi-use
path
when
one
side
of
the
road
in
a
shared
facility
and
then
the
bus,
rapid
transit
lanes
there's
two
options
there.
One
is
to
is
to
put
a
median
separating
the
two
lanes
of
traffic.
K
Again,
if
you
look
on
the
boulevard,
we've
separated
the
cyclists
on
the
and
the
sidewalk.
Again
there
can
be
some
adjustments
if,
if
you've
got
restrictions
and
similarly
the
the
next
next
one
shows
the
transit
facilities
being
separated
by
medians
again,
this
right-of-way
is
about
44
meters,
I,
believe
again
and
depend
what
the
quarters
are
built
for.
So
at
this
point,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
People
counselors
may
have
man.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
Phil
I'm
guessing
you
can
guess
what
I'm
going
to
ask
conflict
I
have
no
problem
ups
and
cycling.
Tracks
I
think
they
can
generally
be
very
well
placed
and
used,
and
so
far
some
of
the
ones
that
we've
done
in
our
lanes
and
Cumberland
have
been
very
well
received.
The
challenges,
of
course,
on
arterial
roads
and
the
conflict
with
turning
vehicles,
and
we
had
an
example
of
a
cycling
track
installed
and
this
forced
on
a
four
lane
divided
arterial.
H
This
forced
a
fully
protected
left-hand
turn
intersection,
which
doesn't
sound
like
a
problem
except
for
there's,
no
conflicting
traffic,
and
so
vehicles
were
waiting
four
minutes
to
turn
left
with
nothing
coming
and
like
that's
just
bonkers,
and
so
how
do
we
avoid
that
kind
of
conflict
because
it
was
leading
the
people
turning
left
on
a
red
light,
which
is,
you
know,
far
more
dangerous
than
whatever
potential
conflict
there
is
that,
frankly,
was
never
happening.
So
I
know
what
our
solution
was
to
that
particular
problem.
H
K
The
challenge
is
that
until
Highway,
Traffic
Act,
a
bicycle
is
considered
a
vehicle.
So
when
you
know
the
example
you
you
provided
was
we
had
the
bi-directional
multi-use
Pat
cycle
track
on
one
side
of
the
road,
and
so
you'll
have
the
cyclist
coming
up
in
the
same
direction
as
a
vehicle,
and
the
expectation
from
motorists
is
that
they
may
not
see
that
vehicle.
That
cyclist
coming
I.
Think
in
this
case,
where
we've
got
we've
got
the
the
two-way
bike
facilities.
K
It's
not
an
issue
of
the
bike
lane
on
10th,
as
you
mentioned,
had
been
on
the
right
side
of
the
road
we
wouldn't
have
to
separate
the
phasing
when
we
come
up
with
MUPs,
which
is
that
which
would
be
the
situation
here.
There's
two
options.
One
is
to
to
create
that
cycling
facility
at
the
intersections
and
separate
the
movements
or
the
other
option
is
to
have
cyclists,
dismount
and
walk
across
the
street.
H
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
talking,
the
community
at
the
time
of
design
is
important.
The
challenge
is
the
group
that
does
design
and
construction
is
not
the
group
that
handles
painting
on
the
road
and
the
installation
and
timing
of
traffic
lights,
post
construction
and
that's
how
we
got
ourselves
into
the
problem
that
I
was
talking
about.
So
how
do
we?
H
K
Exactly
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
we
are
now
engaged
so
we're
on
the
technical
advisory
committees.
We
also
ensure
that
up
front.
Everyone
knows
this
is
how
we're
going
to
operate
the
traffic
signal,
so
we
had
an
example
in
Council
hubely
Zwarte
on
Terry
Fox,
where
we
talked
about
the
different
options,
and
we
came
to
consensus
in
that
case
to
have
the
cyclists
dismount
because
we
had
advised
restaurants.
K
H
K
It's
a
menu,
so
there's
options.
So
what
we've
provided
here
is
six
examples
there
might
it'll
be
based
on
what
the
design
of
our
the
area
of
the
road
is.
So,
for
example,
our
recommendation
is
to
separate
the
cyclists
with
a
green
boulevard
with
the
sidewalks
I
think
that
was
the
first
one
and
again
that's
to
minimize
conflicts
between
cyclists
and
pedestrians.
But
if
you
have
a
limit
area,
if
you're
coming
out
to
a
bridge,
so
you
may
have
this
type
of
design
you
coming
up
to
bridge.
H
Sure
so
I
appreciate
and
understand
why
this
sound
seems
logical,
but
would
the
one
that
does
not
have
the
green
area
in
between
so
still
an
asphalt
path
for
the
cycling
and
a
concrete
walkway
for
pedestrians.
With
that?
Yes,
this
one
here
is
that
not
easier
to
maintain
it's
one
winter
pass
one
vehicle:
it's
you
know
you
can
clear
them
both
to
the
same
standard.
Presumably,
if
we're
clearing
the
cycling,
it's
a
big
enough
road
that
we
want
to
clear
the
sidewalk
too
for
pedestrians
and
yes.
K
I
understand
because
the
width
is,
when
you
add
the
two
is
about
three
and
three
and
a
half
meters,
the
if
it
was
a
sidewalk
pada
that
was
longer
than
absolute
two
passes
anyway,
because
the
sidewalk
plow
can
only
do
the
one.
The
other
thing
is
because
of
accessibility.
If
we
do
design
the
sidewalks
and
the
cycle
track
next
to
each
other,
we
have
to
put
a
a
marker
or
something
to
paint
distinguish
between.
No,
it's
got
to
be
something
tactile,
which
is
a
lot
more
expensive
than
just
separating.
K
H
K
You
don't
need
any
tactile
device
to
separate
the
cyclists,
so
I
know
on
Main
Street.
We
had
to
put
a
tactile.
It
became
quite
expensive
because
of
the
cost
for
that
material
is
required.
As
for
the
AODA
requirements
to
separate
is
for
the
visually
impaired
so
that
they
know
that
they're
walking
on
the
sidewalk
versus
merge
or
getting
into
the
cycling
facility
and.
H
H
H
K
I'll
answer:
just
the
the
actual
cost
to
put
this
compared
to
the
old
ones,
is
less
because
now
we're
one
thing
we've
removed
is
the
median
for
the
most
part,
and
if
we
do
put
a
media's
lot,
thinner
and
the
cost
actually
to
build.
When
you
build
a
cycling
lane
on
the
road,
you
have
to
build
the
full
infrastructure
of
the
roadway
yeah.
K
H
H
A
A
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Miss
Opoku,
MSC,
Filppula,
lepke's,
Natasha
I,
appreciate
the
the
work
that,
in
terms
of
the
framework
and
standardizing
the
design
and
cutting
costs
and
and
the
speed
of
the
design,
had
a
couple
of
questions
and
the
design
and-
and
it's
certainly
our
desire,
certainly
my
desire
to
incorporate
the
variety
of
modes
of
transportation
in
in
our
as
on
our
roads
and
page
3
of
the
report
at
the
bottom
of
page.
O
3,
talks
about
medians
on
arterial
roads
and
the
need
for
medians
and
how
a
road
under
70
kilometers
would
not
need
a
median
and-
and
my
question
relates
to
safety
safety
of
the
of
the
all
the
users.
We
have
a
situation
where
we
could
have
in
a
cross
section
of
the
road
going
from
left
to
right.
If
you
will
a
sidewalk
a
cycle
track,
a
transit,
Lane,
a
travel
lane,
a
travel
lane
and
then
the
the
mirror.
On
the
other
side,
when
there
is
no
median
and
a
left-hand
turning
vehicle.
O
How
do
we
and
that
that
is
not
completely
out
of
the
question.
We
see
it
on
the
recent
rebuild
of
Santa
ho,
which
is
an
arterial
road.
The
the
speed
is
less
than
70
kilometers
an
hour
no
median
was
required.
So
my
question
is
to
staff:
how
how
can
we
incorporate
the
safety
of
all
the
users
in
the
road
in
in
that
design?
Given
that
that
the
recommendations
of
the
report
that
says
that
a
median
is
not
required
and
that
end
that
we
want
to,
we
don't
the
sustainability.
O
K
K
In
that
case,
you've
got
multiple
movements,
it's
not
to
say
that
a
medium
may
not
go
in,
but
our
recommendation
from
the
start,
unless
there's
a
safety
implication,
is
that
the
median
shouldn't
go
in
because
we
also
want
to
you
know
when
you
start
separating
movements
and
have
meetings
and
things
like
that,
it
does
increase
speeds,
because
the
comfort
level
from
a
motors
perspective
is
well
I'm.
In
my
lane,
I'm
good
to
go.
If
you've
got
opposing
traffic,
that's
a
little
close
to
you.
K
It
generally
decreased
and
we
see
that
more
in
the
urban
areas
of
the
city,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
with
building
better
smarter
suburbs
is
in
the
suburbs
where
in
the
past,
we've
always
put
me
in
so
the
examples
I
showed
here
was
Stratford.
If
you
look,
you
know
the
development,
all
the
Lots
are
back
back
facing
the
road,
so
you've
got
this.
K
This
roadway
that
just
promotes
high
speeds
and
then
once
the
road
gets
built,
we
get
complaints
from
pedestrians,
cyclists
that
cars
are
going
too
fast,
but
the
the
roads
been
developed
to
promote
those
higher
speeds
because
from
a
driver's
perspective,
driving
on
that
road
at
7
or
80
kilometres
an
hour
doesn't
feel
uncomfortable
because
you've
got
wide
lanes.
You've
got
you
know
wide
space
between
any
development.
K
When
you
get
more
into
the
urban
areas
where
you
start
to
have
more
accesses,
you
know
the
hope
is
you
don't
need
to
have
medians,
but
if
we
start
to
see
that
there's
potential
for
collisions
or
there's
multiple
accesses
or
in
this
case
there's
a
bus,
rapid
transit
and
we
don't
want
to
have
those
interactions
from
a
safety
perspective.
The
media
may
be
the
final
solution
to
do,
but
it's
not
the
thing
that
we're
going
to
go
starting
off.
We
shall
put
a
median
it'll,
be
more.
O
K
Would
be
during
the
design
stage,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
in
our
group
is
when
we
know
that
a
roads
get
rebuilt,
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
collisions
along
the
corridor
to
see
if
there's
patterns.
So
if
we
start
to
see
a
high
number
of
left
turning
movements,
if
we
start
to
see
rear-end
collisions
at
intersections
because
of
high
right
turn,
movements
or
accesses,
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
and
then
work
with
infrastructure
service
to
say.
O
But
my
point
is
the
new
design
of
the
road
and
introducing
cycle
tracks
introduces
in
you
a
new
element
up
to
five
traveling
lanes
in
each
direction
with
pedestrians,
cyclists,
transit
and
it's
not
only
in
bus,
rapid
transit.
It's
just
a
transit
priority
name
that
that
might
that
might
cause
that
so.
K
Again,
we
look
at
the
context
of
that
design
to
determine
this
is
more
of
a
guideline
in
terms
of
these
are
the
elements
that
we
want
to
put
into
the
design.
If,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
see
that,
because
of
you
know,
x
y&z,
this
is
a
more
appropriate.
We
need
to
put
medians
or
we
need
to
do
some
separations
or
or
even
where
the
sidewalk
and
the
and
the
cycle
track
are.
If
those
designs
can
be
done.
So
then,
going
back
to
the
previous
questions.
K
This
isn't
set
in
stone
in
terms
of
the
of
the
of
what
the
cross
section
shall
look
like.
This
is
the
recommended
where
you
start
off
with,
but
you
need
to
look
at
the
context
of
the
street,
so
you
know
two
streets
may
have
similar
widths
of
roadway,
but
because
of
the
context
of
the
land
use
next
width,
they
may
look
different
at
the
end
of
the
day
when
they
rebuilt
so.
O
K
So
we
would
look
like
involved
yeah,
so
from
our
purse
like
in
traffic
services,
we
we
would
get
involved.
Our
Road
Safety
folks,
who
get
involved,
are
our
people
in
traffic
operations,
so
the
traffic
signal
operations
would
be
involved.
Our
traffic
assessment
specialist
would
be
involved
and
we
would
be
working
with
the
project
manager
through
the
design
stage
as
providing
input,
and
then
that
would
be
taken
by
the
project
manager
who
would
be
consulting
with
you
know,
he's
got
more
internal
stakeholders.
K
A
Ask
you
a
question:
yeah.
Are
you
speaking
toward
to
this?
This
is
a
report
on
suburbs
and
new
roads
that
we
make
plan
for.
Is
that
right?
Yes,
so
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
That's
not
going
to
this,
not
across
the
city.
This
is
as
we
build
new
arterioles,
but
I
think
it
we're
not
it
not
as
we
rental
them,
because
we
have
a
complete
street
plan
already.
That's
that
insect
for
that.
Okay,.
K
Well,
the
the
concepts
of
what
we're
proposing
here
would
be
used
when
we
do
a
rehabilitation
of
a
road
and
against
your
question
on
you
know,
we
do
have
peer
reviews
that
are
done.
If
there's
a
specific
issue
where
you
know
I
know
we
get
in
situations
where
residents
don't
always
sort
of
like
what
staff
are
saying
so
we'll
get
a
third
party
to
do
an
evaluation
to
be
an
independent
review,
so
those
things
are
done,
but
again
those
are
issue
by
issue.
Thank.
O
You
I
simply
wanted
to
put
that
safety
lens,
the
safety
of
cyclists
and
pedestrians
and
people
getting
off
the
bus
on
on
the
table
as
because
I.
It
only
talked
about
it
very
briefly,
and
and
there's
absolutely
a
situation
where
there
there
could
be
a
conflict
and
and
the
reputation
of
the
city
and
the
safety
of
our
citizens
is
good.
A
Questions
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
whether
or
not
you
were
talking
globally
in
the
city
or
specific
to
the
suburbs,
which
was
the
reason
for
the
report
and
it
different
and
and
somewhat
of
it-
well
quite
a
different
lifestyle.
Actually,
you
know
we
anyway
I'll
get
up.
Well,
you
might
have
a
side
of
talk
about
that.
I,
don't
need
to
I,
don't
need
to
bore
other
people
with
anything.
I
might
have
that
I
councillor
Kadri
and
then
councillor
bleh.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
mr.
Landry
is
somebody
sitting
beside.
You
can
go
back
to
the
slide
that
you
showed
cross-section
of
Hazeldine,
Road
and
also
trem
road,
but
Hazeldine
is
where
my
concerns
are
or
question
regarding
his
Lee.
So
if
you
look
at
that
slide
over
on
your
left-hand
side
or
the
top
portion
of
the
slide,
you
see
the
commercial
development,
you
see
a
Boulevard,
then
you
see
a
sidewalk,
and
then
you
see
a
city
Boulevard,
because
there's
a
commercial
Boulevard
in
a
sidewalk
than
a
city
Boulevard.
B
My
question
when
this
BBS
started
way
back
when
was:
is
there
a
possibility
for
the
city
to
look
at
that
below?
Are
the
internal
boulevard
and
see
if
we
can
work
with
the
developers
of
the
commercial
sites
all
along
Hazeldine
Road,
in
order
to
make
that
one
Boulevard,
rather
than
to
one
for
the
maintenance
by
the
commercial
development
and
one
city
maintenance?
Is
that
a
feasible
request
or.
G
Madam
chair,
the
reason
we're
here
at
Planning,
Committee
and
at
the
table
with
mr.
laundry
is
exactly
for.
That
reason
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
more
seamless
coordination
between
the
right-of-way
that
is
built
in
the
land
uses
that
abut
that
right
away,
and
especially
in
the
case
of
arterioles,
we
have
had
a
number
of
challenges
where
the
pieces
don't
connect
or
there
is
a
difficult
connection.
That's
made
between
them.
So
it's
very
much
our
intent
and
our
input
through
mr.
G
laundry's
group
has
been
to
really
analyze
the
purpose
of
each
of
the
spaces
that
are
allocated
within
the
right-of-way
and
how
they
will
work
with.
What
then
becomes
on
the
land-use
side
of
things,
minimum
setbacks
or
maximum
setbacks.
As
the
case
may
be
active
frontage
requirements,
as
the
case
may
be,
and
direction
is
provided
in
green
fields
through
community
design
plans
for
secondary
plants
to
start
to
put
some
language
that
will
attach
the
pieces.
B
B
The
fact
that
there
is
an
opportunity
work
with
the
developers
or
work
with
the
builders
of
that
commercial
development
in
this
case
and
see
how
we
can
work
with
them
to
combine
that
Boulevard
into
one
making
better
use
of
the
space
and
also
making
one
Operator
operation
cost
going
for,
especially
in
that
development
on
Hazeldine,
where
we've
actually
put
a
couple
of
public
streets
through
the
commercial
development
to
attach
the
future
residential
development
behind
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
again.
B
H
A
Know
it's
going
to
be
interesting,
one
of
the
projects
which
probably
isn't
on
a
list
yet,
but
it's
just
starting
this
year
and
it's
a
very
big
one
because
includes
an
overpass
and
bar
Haven,
the
stranded
between
the
Home,
Depot
and
mera
Vista,
it's
extremely
large
project
and
it's
going
to
be
I'm,
I'm,
hoping
mops
and
things
like
that,
because
that's
really
the
way
you
know
that
bar
Haven
moves
for
sure.
Anyway,
we
look
forward
to
more
information
on
that
anybody
else
have
any
questions,
I'm
sure
counselor
Huebel.
You
have
something
to
say.
M
Okay,
madam
chair,
just
to
thank
them
for
their
work
because,
as
you
know,
we've
been
involved
in
the
monthly
meetings
and
sometimes
more
frequently
the
monthly
as
well
on
developing
this.
It's
been
quite
a
journey
over
a
couple
years
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
work.
I
am
I,
understand,
councillor
Blais
concerns
with
that
style
and,
as
you
say,
we
work
through
that
on
the
one
that
councillor
Qadri
and
I
share,
and
we
both
agreed
with
your
position
and
thought
it
was
a
really
good
compromise.
A
C
A
Thanks
for
stopping
by
and
saying
that,
Ted
I
mean
I
think
this
is
like
a
five-year
project
really
I
think
that
it
started
that
long
ago,
and
then
we
we
really
dug
in
deep
about
three
years
ago
and
I
want
to
thank
you.
For
your
part,
your
part
touch
ed
and
sponsor
group
that
you
were
on
the
great
errata
Ottawa
home
builders
and
each
of
them
that
played
a
part
of
Mary.
A
As
you
know,
was
there
speaking,
but
there
have
been
others
that
have
played
significant
roles,
but
certainly
Legolas
has
been
the
longest
and
you
as
well
Phil
I,
don't
think
Peter
you
were
on
from
the
beginning,
I,
don't
think
so,
but
I
mean
you've
still
been
on
this
file
a
long
time.
It's
incredible
work
and
now
we're
we're
almost
finished.
Marrying
the
infrastructure
standards
review
with
with
it
and
the
cities
absolutely
and
in
particular,
suburbs,
are
going
to
benefit
for
it
because
of
it
for
decades
to
come.
A
Thanks
a
lot
just
carried
I
asked
you
carry
okay,
so
the
next
one
that
we've
held
is
application
to
alter
61
Park
Road,
a
property
located
in
Rockland
Park
Heritage,
Conservation,
District
designated
a
part
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
and
you
do
have
some
speakers
on
this.
We're
not
having
a
presentation.
A
L
Yeah,
okay,
thank
about
no
chair
before
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
Your
built
heritage
subcommittee
has
recommended
approval
of
this
application.
I
have
nonetheless
come
to
express
the
concerns
of
the
Heritage
Committee
of
the
Rock
Creek
Park
residents
association
with
this
application.
As
you
may
know,
our
responsibility
is
to
meet
with
people
who
want
to
develop
properties
in
rock
cliff
and
to
encourage
them
to
bring
their
proposals
in
line
with
the
rock
lift,
Park
heritage
plan
and
the
earlier
protections
that
remain
in
place,
while
that
plan
is
is
being
appealed.
L
L
We
do
have
problems
with
the
applications.
We
tell
the
applicant
what
they
are
and
if
they
do
not
feel
they
can
deal
with
our
concerns,
then
we
cannot
support
their
applications.
In
spite
of
what
our
new
heritage
plan
says,
we
can
see
the
Heritage
character
of
our
community
continue
to
erode.
We
do
see
bigger
and
bigger
houses
being
built
and
they
eat
up
more
and
more
the
park
like
setting
up
houses.
L
It
is
this
park
like
setting,
as
you
know,
that
lies
at
the
heart
of
the
heritage,
character
of
rock
cliff,
and
it's
done
so
since
it
was
first
conceived
as
a
park
like
place
for
houses
150
years
ago.
So
I'd
like
to
take
a
few
moments
to
explain
our
views
with
respect
to
this
particular
application.
In
short,
we
believe
that
the
application
does
not
meet
key
provisions
of
both
the
rock
lift
Park
heritage
plan
and
the
earlier
guy
lines
that
are
still
in
place.
L
As
I
mentioned,
61
Park
Road
is
an
important
grade,
one
heritage
property.
It
dates
from
1908
and
was
designed
by
the
prominent
architect
by
the
name
of
Northey.
It
is
presently
in
a
state
of
disrepair,
and
we
welcome
the
undertaking
of
the
owner
to
bring
this
property
about
to
life.
However,
we
submit
that
the
proposal
before
you
does
not
meet
the
requirement
that
alterations
to
houses
in
rock,
cliff
and
I
quote,
must
protect
and
enhance
the
existing
historical
and
architectural
quality
of
the
building
and
the
site.
L
First
I
will
refer
to
the
historical
and
architectural
quality
of
the
building
that
is
supposed
to
be
protected.
It
is
proposed
that
the
roof
be
removed
and
replaced
with
one
with
a
much
steeper
pitch.
I
would
suggest
that
North
Key
would
roll
over
in
his
grave.
At
this
suggestion,
the
new
roof
will
beam
higher,
much
more
prominent
and
dominated
structure
in
a
way
that
he
never
intended
so
you've
asked
I
would
sometimes
ask
who
cares?
L
Well,
the
Rock
Creek
Park
heritage
plan
cares
about
these
things
and
the
standards
and
guidelines
for
conservation
of
historic
places
in
Canada
cares.
The
roof
is
one
of
what
is
called
the
character,
defining
elements
of
the
house
as
such
quote,
it
must
be
maintained
according
to
the
heritage
plan,
and
it
must
be
quote
conserved.
According
to
the
Historic
Places
standards
of
Canada,
the
applicant
mentions
that
increasing
the
roof
pitch
would
make
it
comply
with
the
Ontario
Building
Code
regarding
ceiling
heights.
This
kind
of
implies
that
the
Building
Code
requires
a
change,
but
it
doesn't.
L
The
Building
Code
does
not
require
that
historic
buildings
be
renovated
to
adjust
today
to
today's
building
code
standards.
So
my
first
point
is
about
protecting
the
integrity
of
the
architecture
of
this
building.
My
second
point,
I
will
refer
to
the
increase
in
mass
and
lock
coverage
that
this
proposal
entails
the
extensive
additions
on
both
sides
and
on
the
back,
would
more
than
double
the
lot
coverage
and
the
footprint
of
the
house.
It
would
increase
it
by
a
hundred
and
twenty
percent
to
be
precise.
L
In
other
words,
that
house
is
going
to
be
more
than
twice
the
size
of
the
existing
house
and
eat
up
more
than
twice
as
much
of
the
landscape
setting.
It
includes
such
things
as
a
three-car
garage.
We
submit
that
additions
on
this
scale
are
contrary
to
the
heritage
plan,
provision
that
says,
and
I
quote,
the
existing
landscape
character
of
a
lot
will
be
preserved
when
additions
are
constructed,
it
is
not
being
preserved.
Additions
on
this
scale
are
also
contrary
to
the
earlier
guidelines
that
say,
and
I
quote.
L
Additions
to
existing
buildings
shall
protect
and
enhance
significant
qualities
of
the
existing
landscape
and
shall
I
quote,
protect
and
enhance
the
existing
historical
quality
of
the
site.
Permitting
a
grade,
one
house
to
more
than
double
in
size
has
other
consequences.
Our
new
heritage
plan
was
carefully
crafted
to
establish
some
control
on
the
building
of
oversized
houses,
as
I
think
you
know
it
does
so
by
saying
that
the
size
of
new
houses
must
be
consistent
with
the
grade
one
houses
around
it.
L
Now,
all
of
a
sudden
one
of
those
grade,
one
houses
that
sets
the
limit
were
more
than
double
in
size.
Allowing
this
to
happen
undermines
a
key
purpose
of
the
heritage
plan
to
include
a
one
version
sentence.
Yes
to
conclude,
all
development
in
rock
lift,
Park
and
other
conservation
districts
is
meant
to
abide
by
the
provisions
of
heritage
plans
and
guidelines
approved
by
the
city.
I
believe
that,
given
good
evidence
that
this
is
not
the
case
with
the
application
before
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
P
The
approach
on
the
existing
building
is
one
of
restoration
and
the
additions
to
the
side
are
set
back
and
smaller
than
the
existing
house,
and
this
is
one
of
the
key
guidelines
when
adding
to
heritage
buildings
that
the
additions
be
distinguishable
of
their
own
time
and
compatible,
and
in
this
sense
we've
gone
to
great
lengths
to
position
the
mass
of
the
addition
to
the
north
of
the
property
existing
garage,
which
is
quite
unsightly
and
faces.
Elm
wood
has
been
proposed
to
be
demolished
and
is
now
tucked
away
behind
the
rear
of
the
house.
P
I
want
a
stress
that
we
meet
a
rezoning
provision
for
this
structure,
both
in
terms
of
sub
height,
mass
setbacks
and,
furthermore,
in
terms
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
provisions.
We've
also
want
to
underline
that
the
primary
heritage
character,
Ratliffe
Park,
is
not
its
houses,
but
the
landscape
character,
and
in
this
sense
we
have
a
despite
the
additions.
We
are
still
leaving
more
than
three-quarters
of
a
lot
as
green
space
and
existing
dead
and
diseased
trees
are
being
removed
and
are
being
replanted
at
a
ratio
of
two
to
one.
P
P
The
concern
about
the
roof
I
want
to
say
that
we've
worked
on
a
number
of
novel
buildings,
including
the
one
next
door,
and
currently
working
on
North
Keyes
post
office
at
the
corners
of
elegant
Street
and
sparks
street,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
North
Keyes
designs
and
I
will
say,
despite
the
great
one
listing.
This
is
not
one
of
his
better
works
and
the
roof
itself
is,
despite
it
being
changed
to
a
12.
12
pitch
is
entirely
in
character.
P
With
the
remaining
houses
we've
done,
a
survey
of
all
the
neighboring
houses
and
eight
of
the
nine
all
have
a
12
12
pitch.
So
in
this
sense,
we're
still
in
the
height
limit
and
the
the
mass
and
detailing
of
all
the
rafter
tails
and
so
forth
is
being
reproduced.
So
we
feel
this
is
very
sensitive
approach
and
I
guess.
Lastly,
you
know
we
worked
on
the
approximately
30
projects
in
rocof
Park,
for
which
the
firm
is
being
recognized
and
I
say
this
to
demonstrate
our
commitment,
rocof,
Park
heritage
conservation
and
our
participation
over
the
decades.
P
G
You
chair,
the
piece
of
this
application
that
jumped
up
for
me
was
the
the
change
in
the
roofline.
You've
noted
that
it
is
going
to
be
consistent
with
or
or
in
keeping
with,
the
character
of
neighboring
houses,
but
how,
in
keeping
is
it
with
the
architect
style
of
doing
roofs?
Is
there
a
discernible
thrust
enough?
These
works
around
a
particular
pitch
of
roof.
Is
it
all
over
the
map,
because
it's
it's
less
I'm
less
interested
in?
What's
around,
then
I
am
in
keeping
with
the
architects
intent
for
how
this
building
should
look.
P
So,
madam
chair,
the
I
would
say
that
Knopf
keys
work
could
be
characterized
as
highly
eclectic.
He
was
quite
adept
at
designing
and
constructing
in
many
different
styles,
the
the
property
right
next
door
employs
both
seven
twelve
and
twelve
twelve
roof
pitches.
So
for
the
ratio
rise
of
a
run,
so
I
I
would
not
say
that
Norfolk
II
would
be
constrained
to
any
any
pitch,
and
the
other
thing
we
know
from
the
property
next
door
and
I
haven't
had
the
chance
to
do
further.
P
Research-
and
this
is
you
know,
number
of
these
houses
were
were
constructed
a
period
of
economic
uncertainty.
We
already
know
for
the
one
next
door
that
there
were
financial
difficulties
during
construction
and
it's
my
speculation
that
you
know
the
the
revisional
roof
may
have
even
been
intended
to
be
steeper
consistent
with
the
one
next
door
and
people
ran
short
of
money.
P
But
you
know
that's
for
another
day
to
to
investigate,
but
all
that
to
say
the
both
from
Norfolk
is
design
and
the
surrounding
context,
which,
which
is
one
of
the
criteria
when,
when
designing
additions
as
to
what
the
fit
is
that
you
know
this,
this
roof
is
appropriate
and
consistent.
It's
not
going
to
overpower,
dominate
the
house
or
the
neighboring
properties.
Okay,.
G
P
It's
just
over.
Seventy
five
percent
is
going
to
remain
in
screen
space.
You
know
this
is
a
large
lot.
You
know,
in
that
sense,
larger
Lots
can
take
larger
properties.
If
you
like,
you
know,
given
our
clients
wishes
for
the
development,
and
you
know,
I
recognize
fully
that
the
hairs
Conservation
District,
expects
or
suggested
to
be
a
range
of
property
sizes
and
and
building
sizes
as
well
is,
is.
G
There
a
number-
and
it's
obviously
difficult
to
quantify,
which
makes
our
job
challenging
when
you're
confronted
with
a
term
like
protecting
the
landscape
character.
If
this
proposed
new
development
were
to
take
over
50%
of
the
lot,
would
it
still
be
in
keeping
with
the
landscape
character,
I
mean?
Is
there
some
threshold
that
we
should
be
looking
at
before?
We
determined
that,
in
fact,
something
is
no
longer
in
keeping
with
the
landscape
character?
G
P
That
they're
in
different
areas,
the
district
there
are
different
blood
coverage
percentages
allow.
But
you
know,
typically
the
threshold
is
around
30%,
so
that
you
know
that's
I
was
I.
Think
is
a
useful
benchmark
that
demonstrates,
if
you
like,
the
primacy
of
landscape
character
over
built
form.
Okay,.
A
D
You
Jerry
I
just
briefly
mentioned
that
this
item
did
come
before
built
heritage.
At
our
last
meeting
there
was
a
good
discussion
on
it.
I
think
members
were
informed
in
agreeing
with
the
staff
recommendation
in
part
by
the
fact
that
this
application
does
respect
both
the
floorspace
index
and
the
law
coverage
provisions
within
the
zoning
bylaw.
D
That
said,
given
that
there
are
different
interpretations
of
some
of
the
key
words
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan
like
subordinate
to
and
footprint
and
others,
I
did
recommend
that
staff
engage
in
a
discussion
with
members
of
the
Rockville
Park
Heritage
Conservation
Committee,
just
to
talk
through
a
little
bit
that
interpretation
and
see
whether
or
not
some
sort
of
an
interpretive
guideline
or
additions
to
the
glossary
might
be
appropriate.
So
I
just
thought
I
would
be
brief
on
those
points.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks,
that's
a
good
direction:
Thank
You
mr.
Martin,
so
on
this
item,
application
to
alter
61,
Park
Road,
a
property
located
in
Rockville
Park
Heritage
Conservation
District
Kerry.
Thank
you.
Okay.
The
next
item
that's
held
is
held
by
councilor
blade
and
it's
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
part
of
62
11,
Renault
Road.
It's
in
councilor
medics,
Ward
a
stop
coming
up
by
Steve,
hi,
Steve
I,
don't
know
what
your
name
is,
but
I'm
sure
you'll
tell
me:
Jeff
McEwen.
A
A
A
Does
anyone
mind
that
we
have
our
delegation
at
the
same
time
up
here
so
that
you
can
ask
questions
of
both
if
necessary?
Is
that
good,
so
counselor,
bleh
I
think
I
you're,
the
one
that
held
this
we'll
go
with
you
first.
Anyone
else
want
to
speak
to
this
item.
Let
me
know
sure
I'm
just
asking
for
right
now:
how's
your
plate,
yeah.
H
Perfect
I'm,
looking
on
the
report,
it's
the
I
think
it's
the
attachment,
perhaps
where
it's
got
the
kind
of
subdivision
laid
out,
but
the
the
lines
are
not
entirely
clear
and
I
guess:
I'm
south
the
southerly
Road
there
is
were
no
Road
I'm
trying
to
ascertain
if
the
this
subdivision
proceeds
all
the
way
north
to
Brian,
Coburn
or
not,
I,
don't
doesn't
look
that
way.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
really
not
properly.
H
Doesn't
continue
all
in
all
the
way
through
perfect,
and
so,
while
this
I'm
sure
is
being
considered
greenfield
development
I
recall
there
being
active
farming
not
so
long
ago
and
I'm
wondering
what
happened
to
the
farm
buildings
and
farmhouses.
That
may
have
been
on
the
site
to
support
that
activity.
C
H
And
the
building
has
been
removed
and
so
who
determined?
There
was
no
significant
heritage
value
of
the
150
year
old
farmhouse
we
consulted
with
the
heritage
planners
okay
and
was
there
a
demolition
permit
issued
for
the
removal
of
the
building?
There
was
part
of
me
I'm
chaired.
Yes,
there
was
okay.
H
A
You
can
I
just
have
a
question
on
building
permit
Oh
Frank
Frank
begins
here,
I,
just
spotted
them
over
there,
so
when
we
have-
and
we
have
a
formal
process
when
there's
a
demolition
permit
for
a
heritage
assessed
and
designated
properties.
What's
the
process
for
in
this
case,
where
staff
went
to
the
Heritage
folks,
they
said:
we've
looked
at
it,
it
doesn't,
you
know,
meet
the
requirements
of
being
designated
and
then
what
then
is
when
they
apply
for
a
demolition
of
the
existing
building?
A
C
A
Have
another
question:
you
know
how
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
fun
with
the
Heritage
Register
lately
with
the
last
two
that
have
come
before
us
and
I'm
just
wondering
would
this
building
have,
but
if
it
was
still
there
would
have
been
captured.
One
would
have
been
captured,
well,
court
you're
here
too
so,
for
example,
I
think
it
wouldn't
be
well
and
anymore,
because
it's
within
the
urban
boundary.
How
would
you
have?
A
I
So
chair,
this
is
exactly
the
purpose
of
the
register.
The
register
will
include
all
properties
in
the
rural
area
or
in
those
areas
that
are
semi
rural
semi,
suburban,
while
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
specifics
of
this
particular
property.
Our
staff
would
have
reviewed
it
and
determined
that
it
didn't
warrant
any
sort
of
any
sort
of
protection.
Okay,.
M
I
I
Don't
know
the
specifics
of
this
of
this
file.
I
will
go
back
and
speak
on
with
heritage
staff
who
have
since
left
the
room,
but
they
would
have
applied
the
criteria
that
we're
using
for
the
Heritage
Register
to
assess
the
specific
property
and
determined
that
it
didn't
warrant
any
form
of
heritage
protection.
And
when.
M
I
Typically,
because
there
is,
there
is
no
heritage
protection
on
the
actual
property.
There
is
no
rule
for
the
community
as
part
of
a
regular
process.
That
being
said,
where
there's
a
sensitive
property
or
sensitive
resident
residential
unit,
we
do
typically
reach
out
to
the
ward
councillor
to
to
seek
their
opinion
on
the
matter.
Okay,.
M
A
Let's
just
ask
them
to
get
it
for
before:
council
I'm,
you
can
move
deferral,
I
personally
am
NOT
going
to
support
it,
and
maybe
a
better
way
of
dealing
that
would
be
to
have
on
our
agenda
discussion
of
the
process
for
demolitions
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
have
specially
since
we're
going
through
the
edge
of
the
Heritage
registry
right
and
we're
going
to
have
like
with
whole
city
we've
gone.
We've
done
downtown
Santa,
Hill,
old,
Ottawa,
East,
obatala,
South
and
I.
A
A
A
M
A
I
I
think
councillor
DubLi
got
a
lot
of
what
I
wanted
in
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
If
you
know
if
this
was
in
raw
cliff,
we
and
no
disrespect
my
colleague
sitting
next
to
me.
We
pay
a
lot
more
attention
to
this,
just
because
this
is
a
150
year
old
farm,
as
it
seems
like
it
was
just
left
altogether
off
the
plate
and
III
think
now
we're
actually
seeing
whether
is
benefit
to
the
Heritage
registry.
This
is
going
to
be
a
good
thing,
but
also
be
looking
for
this
court.
I
M
M
A
Court
is
going
to
undertake
to
bring
bring.
You
know,
report
forward
to
talk
about
that
with,
in
conjunction
with
you,
Frank
and
as
far
as
this
particular
item
Court
is
going
to
provide
before
the
next
before
Council,
which
is
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
You're
going
to,
is
it
November
the
fifth
no
be
the
twelfth
I
guess,
whatever
the
date
is
you're
going
to
have
the
information
on
this
specific
item
right
and
then
I
also
want
to
understand
what
notification,
if
any,
you
give
to
the
elected
official
in
the
area.
A
A
Hubely
no
counselor
leaper
counselor
in
this
farm
cows,
your
Kadri,
yes,
boys
check,
Tierney,
no
myself,
yes,
1
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7,
2
3.
Thank
you
we'll
look
forward
to
that
information.
Oh
I
forgot
you,
oh
your
mm.
Did
you
need
to
say
anything
it's
too
late
now,
but
if
you
want
to
say
something
go
ahead,
I
will
I
will
I.
A
I
I
know
Thanks:
we
are
eager
to
deal
with
the
item.
I
apologize,
I,
maybe
I
just
want
to
make
just
one
very
quick
comment
in
that
I
Glenview
in
on
previous
occasions,
has
not
been
insensitive
to
heritage
assets
on
their
property
and
they
did
go
through
a
typical
process
that
you
do
go
through
with
staff
to
to
identify
them
and
as
as
counselor
help,
we
may
recall
there,
there
was
a
heritage
asset
and
they
hope
side
roads
and
they
did
a
very
good
job
of
accommodating
that
moving
it
if
necessary
and
and
restoring
it.
I
I
A
The
next
held
item
is
zoning
bylaw
amendment
1620
in
1636,
Maple,
Grove,
Road,
a
very,
very
old
application
in
the
Statesville
area.
Was
this
even
part
of
Statesville
when
it
was
first
I,
don't
know
that
it
was
I,
don't
think
it
was
yeah.
It
wasn't
part
of
Statesville.
That's
how
far
back
it
goes.
It
was,
it
would
have
been
in
councilor,
felt
mates
area,
I
think
right,
yeah.
So
it's
a
it's
a
really
old
one.
So
it's
kind
of
weird
don't
come
up
yet
mr.
Yemm
just
tell
Oh
it's
Miguel
coming
up.
B
B
There
were
comments.
Hella
comments
made
when
the
public
meeting
was
originally
held
for
this
file
and
those
comments
are
registered
in
the
report
for
your
convenience
and
it's
just
like
I
said:
I
still
have
some
question
that
I
need
to
clarify
and
attend
to,
and
that's
why
I'm
going
to
be
requesting
from
the
committee
a
request
to
defer
this
item
for
child.
B
So
the
zoning
application
was
not
listed
on
the
website
for
public
consult
and
whereas
the
city
has
met
the
legal
requirements
for
notification,
however,
providing
a
deferral
will
allow
interested
residents
to
submit
comments
on
to
the
zoning.
Application,
therefore
be
resolved
that
this
application
should
be
deferred
to
the
Planning
Committee
meeting
on
November
14th,
okay,.
Q
R
Q
Okay,
now
I
understand,
there
are
a
lot
of
extenuating
circumstances,
but
this
is
well
beyond
the
time
period
that
an
applicant
would
normally
face
if
this
were
a
criminal
tribunal
and
someone
was
facing
charges
on
a
serious
crime,
they
would
be
dismissed
and
but
we
are
dealing
with
this
application.
So
what
what
are
the
options
to
the
applicant
if,
if
they
were
to
decide
not
to
hang
around
for
our
deferral.
A
Well,
we'll
ask
them
what
they'll
do,
but
they
have
the
right
to.
She
would
just
withdraw
their
their
application
here
and
just
go,
which
was
so
excessive.
They've
been
engaged
in
and
delayed
on,
because
of
that,
as
you
mentioned,
but
you
didn't
speak
to
all
the
things
the
good
folks
here
from
Canada
knows
it
went
on
the
paralyzed
growth
in
in
the
Kannada
area
for
five
years
at.
A
Think
other
people
well,
but
they
they
have
the
legal
I
guess
I
asked
mr.
mark
this.
Yesterday
they
have
the
legal
right
to
just
say
we're
withdrawing
our
application.
Yeah
and
I
might
add.
So
then
this
is
a
public
process.
This
was
advertised
it's
on
an
agenda
and
there
is
an
opportunity-
and
we
in
fact
we
have
heard
from
faith
black
air,
for
example,
and
I
know
that
she
has
some
questions:
I
trust
that
staff
are
going
to
respond
to
her
before
Council
right.
Q
Q
Q
R
A
Another
question
would
be
if,
for
example,
we
support
this
application
today
and
counsel
does
there's
still
an
appeal
process,
but
it
would.
It
could
be
appealed
by
the
people
that
the
two
people
that
wrote
in,
but
it's
still
going
to
go
back
to
the
process
that
that
rich
crap
could
have
stayed
with
in
the
first
place,
correct.
Q
Okay,
I'll
tell
you,
the
answer
is
yes,
but
but
the
that's
that's
sort
of
what
I
was
getting
at
about
the
the
other
remedies
available,
because
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
rich
craft.
If
we
were
to
pass
a
deferral,
they
could
just
withdraw
the
application,
go
to
the
OMB
and
then
there's
no
appeal
open
to
anybody
and.
A
R
Q
C
A
M
Speak
to
the
parole,
but
keep
me
on
the
list
to
speak
to
the
item
as
well.
As
you
alluded
to
madam
chair
I.
Remember
the
years
where
growth
was
frozen
in
the
West
End
decisions
couldn't
get
made.
Many
of
our
residents
had
to
drive
in
the
bells
corners
to
get
to
go
to
a
grocery
store
or
a
decent
restaurant
and
now
they're
getting
KFC
back.
There's
your
plug
Ric
and
I.
Don't
want
to
go
back
to
those
days
and
something
that's
thirteen
years
old.
M
If
we
defer
this
and
and
whole
public
consultations,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
staff
how
many
more
files
out
there
could
we
then
do
this?
Are
we
going
to
spend
the
rest
of
this
term
revisiting
decisions
of
10-15
years
ago,
because
if
we
do
it
for
one
I
think
we
have
to
do
it
for
every
single
one
that
someone
wants
to
bring
forward?
So
can
I
get
a
response
to
that.
C
Deferral
or
not
myself,.
A
A
M
A
M
You're
aware,
if
we
approve
this
there'll
be
people
looking
for
files
that
could
be
brought
back.
I
think
that's
a
given
to
this.
So
I.
Don't
know
and
I
recall
at
the
time.
Madam
chair,
when
those
public
meetings
were
held
at
misreport
counselor
cadres
time
but
I,
remember
some
of
the
meetings
I
attended.
You
were
at,
they
were
held
at
the.
M
What
was
then
Scotiabank
place
or
the
Palladium
I
might
have
been
back
in
the
days
of
the
Palladium,
where
a
lot
of
people
came
in
like
big
tables
to
talk
about
the
Fernbank
community
design
plan
to
talk
about
these
applications
and
guess
what
they
were
all
approved.
So
how
this
one
there
and
didn't
get
approved,
I,
don't
know,
but
I
know
a
lot
of
members
of
the
community
had
that
opportunity
to
speak
at
that
time.
So.
A
G
G
The
my
question
is
actually
for
the
councillor
the
comments
that
I'm,
seeing
in
the
consultation
details
in
the
report
speak
to
you
really
should
we
have
a
development
there
or
not?
They
don't
speak
necessarily
to
the
zoning.
The
questions
that
you
would
hope
to
raise
if
there
were
a
deferral.
How
specific
are
they
to
the
to
the
zoning
that
is
before
us?
G
B
B
But
the
concern
for
me
is
the
current
residence
of
the
community
in
fear,
vents
and
other
areas.
That
swell
are
not
getting
a
say
in
this
at
the
present
time.
In
terms
of
the
zoning,
how
close
are
those
residents?
Well,
some
of
them
are
right.
Adjacent
to
this
property
going
forward
I
mean
parts
of
Fairwinds
has
been
developed
along
the
same
corridor
as
this
development
will
be
happening
between
the
Carper
ever
and
the
Ferentz
subdivision.
So
one
man,
you
just
have
a
comment.
A
A
We
were
on
planning
committee
right,
but
other
than
missed
that
New
Bern
here
not
in
here
you
you
were
you
were
here,
but
you
weren't
in
planning
department
I
mean
you
look
around
the
room,
I
think
counsel,
not
counselor
wire
Don
was
here
I,
don't
think
you
were
then
were
you
Derek
Louise,
but
you
were
on
the
West
End,
no,
no
see
so
there's
very
few
people
to
be
answering
the
questions.
I
guess
the
thing
is:
what
do
you
hope
to
accomplish
with
a
deferral
in
two
weeks
time,
but.
A
G
A
C
Aren't
there
automatic,
mandatory
public
consultations
that
were
required
led
by
the
city
and
or
the
local
councillor
before
a
report
of
this
magnitude
and
I-
don't
mean
13
or
15
years
ago,
but
has
that
not
been
done?
What
has
been
done
prior?
So
the
requirements
were
met
for
public
consultation,
but
they
were
quite
some
time
ago.
They
were
back
in
2004
2005,
but
this
is
coming
before
us
because
it's
a
revision.
No,
so
the
required
consultation
that's
occurred
currently.
C
A
A
And
again
remember
the
questions
that
councillors
sure
Ellie
was
asking
they
don't
need
to
be
here.
They
do
not
need
to
be
here.
They
did
not
need
to
bring
an
application
forward
so
actually
by
bringing
the
application
forward
which
they
discuss
with
their
lawyer
and
with
mr.
mark,
and
they
thought
this
was
an
appropriate
process
to
come
forward
and
because
it
is
so
long
ago
and
go
through
the
process.
But
the
process
is
what
it
is
and
from
legal
opinion.
They
have
met
all
the
requirements
of
this
process
and
I
asked
them
yesterday.
A
A
R
Madam
chair,
just
just
for
clarification,
the
board
draft
approved
this
subdivision
application
and
the
zoning
application
that
is
before
committee
today
is
to
implement
that
draft
approval.
So,
while
anyone
could
appeal
any
bylaw,
that's
adopted
by
council
being
a
zoning
bylaw
under
the
Planning
Act.
So
if
we
go
forward
with
a
deferral
as
I
understand
it,
the
applicant
may
withdraw
their
application
and
then
go
with
the
current
matter.
That
is
open
in
front
of
the
board,
and
at
that
point
anyone
wishing
to
appeal
would
have
to
ask
for
party
status.
So
those
are
the
risks.
R
A
D
Thank
you,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
I
just
have
a
few
questions
of
clarification.
It
says
here
before
divider.
All
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
was
submitted
in
2013
and
approved
in
2016
by
staff.
I
guess
my
question
there
is
why
didn't
at
that
stage,
I
presume
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
was
approved
predicated
on
the
zoning
from
Dr
to
residential
third,
why
wasn't
the
zoning
application
submitted
at
that
stage
was
that,
because
of
the
OMB
hearing,
I'm
just
curious,
why
the
delay
the.
C
D
D
D
And
so,
if,
in
an
ideal
world,
if
this
were
deferred,
would
you
imagine,
would
you
or
your
residents
be
seeking
changes
in
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
or
what
would
change
again
in
an
ideal
world
from
what's
been
approved
by
stuff
already
in
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
the
relationship?
If
that's
already
approved,
and
now
we
have
a
zoning
application,
which
is
simply
flipping
it
from
dr
to
residential
third,
are
you
actually
seeking
changes
in
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision?
I'm.
B
Not
seeking
changes
to
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
what
I'm
looking
for
is
just
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
come
back
with
comments
on
that
subdivision
plan
and
say:
look.
We
have
some
concerns.
I
know
we've
heard
some
concerns
already,
but
they're
different
matter
and
give
them
that
opportunity.
That's
all
the
opening
I'm
looking
for
in
terms
of
going
forward,
so
the
community,
as
well
as
the
council,
has
an
opportunity
to
look
at
this
file
in
today's
standard.
Today's
requirements,
rather
than
looking
back
at
2004
2005,
okay.
D
My
last
question
is
to
legal
staff,
which
is
that,
under
paragraph
2
of
the
draft
recommendation,
there's
reference
to
the
consultation
requirements
under
bill.
73
is
legal
staff
satisfied
that
the
public
meeting
that
took
place
in
2004
satisfies
the
requirements
under
bill
73,
which
was
passed
whatever
last
year?.
R
A
A
Really
it
was
it's
mind
boggling
that
that
was
allowed
to
happen
even
part
of
the
process,
but
it
was
mind
boggling
and
it
set
this
city
on
a
course
that
has
done
nothing
but
cost
us
money.
The
the
level
of
risk
and
everything
else
that
it
just
is
absolutely
insane
and
you're.
Lucky
you
weren't
there
councilor
Kadri,
because
now
we're
going
to
go
to
the
the
item
before
us,
which
is
the
zoning
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
I,
now
I'm
going
to
ask
while
you're
talking
for
mr.
Tremblay
to
come
forward.
B
My
concern
still
and
I
know
the
different
items
over,
but
just
to
make
one
more
point
about
the
information
that
I'm
looking
for
going
forward,
that
the
community
may
be
looking
for
is
you've
all
received
some
communications
through
faith
black,
you
air,
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
members
of
the
community.
If
you
haven't
I,
could
forward
that
information
on
to
you
later
today.
What
I
would
like
stop
to
do
is
to
come
back
with
responses
to
those
requests
or
to
those
questions
to
to
the
community
prior
to
council,
if
that's
possible
manager
and.
C
A
B
I
It's
really
me
I'll
Tremblay,
photon
consultants
and
Kevin
bridge
craft
group
of
companies.
It's
really
just
to
answer
any
questions.
We
appreciate
the
vote
for
not
supporting
the
deferral
I
do
want
to
leave
with
the
committee,
though,
that
we
didn't
jump
from
2004
to
today
and
I
fully
appreciate
the
councilors
interest
in
in
broadening
the
opportunity
for
public
consultation,
but
we
recall,
if
you
will
that
there
were
draft
subdivision
approvals
that
included
public
notification,
that
was
in
EA
for
the
pump
station.
There's
an
EA
for
the
restoration
work.
I
There
has
been
many
vehicles
between
those
dates
for
the
public
to
continue
to
be
involved.
The
reality
is
the
people
that
are
still
involved
are
the
people
that
were
involved
in
in
the
appeals.
There
is
a
process
of
clearing
conditions
for
the
draft
approval
that
will
provide
staff
opportunities
to
review
technical
drawings
and
respond
to
those
inquiries.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
Kevin
as
well.
So.
I
It
yes,
it
wouldn't
have
been
our
desire
to
do
so.
We
were
quite
happy
to
work
with
staff.
Ever
since
our
subdivision
passed
through
the
OMB,
it
was
a
very
lengthy,
costly
process,
so
we
thought
that
this
would
be
the
best
way
to
handle
this
processes.
It
was
recommended
by
city,
legal
staff
and
city
staff
that
we
we
do
work
together
on
where
the
draft
plan
goes
and
where
the
subsequent
zoning
goes
and
as
the
lands
become
closer
to
development.
This
is
the
right
time
to
do
this.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
so
you
might
as
well
stay
there
in
case
anybody
has
questions
of
you
accounts,
arguably
I
need
anyone
else
want
to
get
on
the
list.
Thank.
M
You,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
go
back
to
what
councilor
cab
you
said
about
circulating
the
letters
that
were
received,
I
believe
the
the
lady
that
kevser
Qadri
mentioned
in
her
letter.
She
says
the
OMB
pile
husband,
I
know
in
the
past
I'm
looking
at
a
LAN
here,
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
correspondence
with
this
person
and
others,
and
it
tends
not
always
to
be
factual,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
before
anybody
gives
any
weight
to
this
letter,
they
wait
till
they
see
the
staff
response
to
these
points
to
see.
M
C
M
A
Thank
you
and
mr.
John
Shea
is
filling
in
missing
that
and
had
to
go
to
another
meeting
dawn.
Are
you
supposed
to
be
at
that
meeting
too?
Okay,
just
like
I
feel
like
a
Kenyan.
Is
it
sister,
Nana
and
the
mother
coming
out
in
me
or
what
okay,
so
counselor
I
think
comes
from
this
bomb?
You
have
a
question
or
you
come.
A
B
has
been
completed,
which
is
the
Kannada
West
landowners
group
have
condensed
phase
one
of
the
carp
River
restoration
works,
C
has
been
completed,
the
Mississippi
Valley
have
issued
a
permit
and
what
has
not
been
completed,
our
D
and
E,
so
D
being
filling
of
this
subject:
property
and
then
an
as-built
servi
being
completed
to
demonstrate
that
the
area
is
entirely
outside
of
the
floodplain
and
then
the
last
one
being
not
at
all
times.
The
flood
storage
capacity
will
be
maintained.
So,
okay,.
A
B
Madam,
just
before
you
get
the
opportunity
to
water,
the
committee
gets
an
opportunity
to
vote
on
this.
My
concern
still
remains,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
I
wanted
to
provide
my
community
and
opportunity
to
make
some
comments
on
the
zoning
change
and
seeing
that
it's
not
possible.
The
item
wasn't
deferred.
I'm,
also
happy
the
fact
that
this
committee
had
an
open
discussion
on
the
item
going
forward.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You
I
know
I
think
that
we
all
understand
that
this
is
very
difficult
situation
for
you,
because
I
don't
even
know
whether
at
this
time
and
that
year,
that
you
were
even
thinking
about
being
a
councillor
for
the
area.
I
think
that
counselor
Steve
Inga
was
still
the
counselor
for
Statesville,
but
it
wouldn't
even
have
come
before
her
because
it
would
have
come
to
councillor
felt
made
and
neither
one
of
those
names
have
been
mentioned
for
geez.
What
is
it
I?
A
Don't
know
six
yeah
11
11
years
around
here
right.
So,
okay,
so
do
you
so
I?
Look
at
so
on
the
item
of
Mabel,
throw
up
I'm,
not
gonna,
ask
gays
and
nazar
I
said
Carrie
dissent
and
with
one
dissent
thanks
very
much
everybody
for
your
patience,
thanks,
Miguel
and
Kevin
for
coming
in.
Thank
you
was
Louise
and
Derek
okay.
So
now
we
are
fortunate
to
have
mr.
D
Mine
was
I
think
just
a
simple,
factual
question
in
these
two
water
main
applications
which
were
before
us.
There
was
a
different
percentage
of
what
the
city
was
paying
versus
what
was
being
paid
through
the
development
charges
and
I
assumed.
That
was
because
there's
a
calculation
done
as
what
percentage
of
the
future
users
of
that
water
main
are
new
users
and
therefore
subject
to
the
DC
charges
and
some
percentages
existing
homes.
D
C
C
D
C
Sure
that's
correct!
Okay,
thank
you!
Counselor
Brockington,
great
minds!
Think
alike.
I
wasn't
going
to
ask
it
that
way,
but
that
was
my
exact
type
of
question
was
why
DC's
weren't
covering
100%
of
this
and
why
we
were
dipping
into
the
reserve
fund,
but
you've
answered
that
so
I
have
nothing
further.
A
A
A
On
any
notices
of
motion,
how
about
in
quote
enquiries?
Ok,
other
business?
Well,
don't
forget!
Our
next
meeting
is
November.
The
14th
I,
don't
know
how
many
items
are
on
it,
and
maybe
you'll
share
that
with
what
you
know
with
me
later,
but
that
is
day
1
of
Salvation
Army
I've
reserved
may
the
14th
to
pay
for
it,
November
the
14th,
the
15th,
so
the
Wednesday,
the
Thursday
and
the
Saturday
and
the
Friday
we're
going
to
choose
our
Tuesday
Wednesday
and
Friday
14th
15th
and
the
17.
A
Yes,
so
we're
going
to
go
from
9:30
to
5:30,
with
the
exception
of
Thursday
Wednesday
and
on
yes,
sir
we're
not
doing
on
Wednesday
on
Thursday,
because
that
is
the
Ottawa
Awards.
Isn't
it
the
order
of
Ottawa
and
CPS
yeah?
So
we
will
so
you
can
put
in
your
calendar,
but
we're
not
going
later
than
that.
A
You
can
wrap
up
with
questions
of
staff
at
the
end
of
each
of
the
days
so
that
we're
fresh
to
go
and
you're,
not
asking
you
to
keep
lists
and
lists
the
list
of
questions.
That's
I,
don't
see
that
as
productive,
so
we're
going
to
do
it
a
little
bit
different,
but
we'll
set
set,
send
that
all
out
to
everybody.
Ok
are.
Q
A
And
we're
being
sensitive
to
to
what
they
are
and-
and
you
know
obviously
I
would
not
want
to
see
something-
that's
going
to
take
three
hours
of
delegations,
for
example,
that
so,
if
it's
we
don't
have
a
pressure
that
is
from
a
legislative
perspective
with
you
know,
rules
of
90
days,
120
days
or
whatever,
then
that
it
will
wait
till
the
next
one
p.m.
okay,
all
right
so
thanks
everybody,
so
we're
adjourned
until
the
14th
and
it'll
be
in
the
council
chambers.