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From YouTube: Planning Committee - May 9, 2019
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Planning Committee Meeting - May 9, 2019 - Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
one
and
three
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
can
I
ask
for
some
silence,
please
some
quiet
for
the
items
just
mentioned
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today.
Our
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted,
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
A
If
counsel
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
150
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
210
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
and,
as
you
know,
a
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door
for
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments.
So
today
is
really
important
day
at
planning
committee
because
of
for
many
reasons,
but
in
particular
the
development
charge
bylaw.
A
So
if
anybody
has
any
motions
right
now
with
regard
that,
you
haven't
already
handed
in
please
hand
them
in
to
melody,
so
she
can
share
our
committee
coordinator,
so
she
can
share
with
all
of
us
and
the
staff
or
on
any
other
item.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest?
No
confirmation
of
minutes
from
April
25th
2019
carried
okay
I'm
on
the
wrong
agenda
again.
A
Okay.
The
first
item
up
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
424
80
Walkley
Road.
Do
we
have
any
speakers?
We
have
sean
mark,
digit
Desjarlais
if
needed
and
Caleb
Blakeley
Novacek.
Are
you
here,
I
done?
Okay?
So
if
we
don't
need
you
to
speak
your
content,
not
speaking
okay,
so
I
did
get
an
email
from
my
staff
saying
that
councillor
Dean
stop
just
came
in
to
say
that
she
may
be
a
little
late
this
morning,
but
she
has
no
issues
with
item
1
on
the
agenda.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions?
Is
this
item
carried?
B
A
A
A
A
Item
number
five:
is
the
status
update,
Planning
Committee
inquires,
emotions
for
the
period
ending
April,
23rd
2019
I'm,
asking
that
you
receive
this
you
anybody
want
to
hold
it
no
received.
Thank
you,
and
then
we
have
an
IP
D
and
information
previously
distributed
on
cash.
A
little
parkland
as
that
received.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
just
so
you
know,
so
you
can
think
about
it.
Everyone
and
everyone.
That's
in
the
audience.
We
do
have
a
motion
that
we
add
an
additional
item
to
the
agenda,
which
is
the
overview
of
bill
108
and
mr.
Willis
is
going
to
give
us
a
presentation
on
this.
We
don't
want
to
have
it
smushed
in
with
what
our
our
core
work
is
today,
with
the
development
charge
that
we
have
to
deal
with
today,
so
I
want
to
that's
why
I'm
putting
it
on
the
table
now
all
right,
so
what
we
would
have
waited
right.
A
So
is
that
item
added
no
province?
Okay,
because
because
it's
not
it's
not
current
its
bill
108,
it's
not
active,
he's
going
to
give
us,
but
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
it
right.
So
we
were
going
to
keep
the
two
separate.
So
after
the
we
deal
with
the
development
charges,
then
he
will
do
that
and
then
question.
So
please
I'm
going
to
ask
mr.
Willis
to
take
on
the
authority
of
saying
when
we're
asking
questions.
A
A
A
C
D
A
A
E
E
If
you,
if
you
need
political
contributions,
her
address
is
still
116.
Let's
go
okay
development
charges,
Act
provides
for
mandatory
exemptions
from
DCs
and
optional
exemptions
and
I'm.
Assuming
later
today,
you're
going
to
be
dealing
with
many
of
the
optional
exemptions.
Section
3
provides
that
an
exemption
from
taxation
in
the
assessment
Act
is
not
a
mandatory
exemption
except
land
owned
by
and
used
for
the
purposes
of
a
municipality
or
a
board
defined
in
the
Education
Act
CEP
EO
is
such
a
board.
E
Now,
one
of
those
purposes
is
to
further
development
of
related
community
hubs.
That's
a
lawful
purpose.
As
of
March
2015,
it
became
the
policy
of
the
province
to
encourage
such
uses.
The
Ministry
of
Education
specifically
supports
that
provincial
commitment
and
agrees
to
co-locate
such
hubs
within
schools
were
appropriate.
E
Specifically,
the
Ministry
of
Education
has
approved
the
location
of
a
hub
at
the
former
grant
school
and
fully
funded
it.
The
8.7
million
dollars
I
believe
it
that
the
ministry
is
Pony.
Dup
includes
that
community
hub,
so
there's
some
Givens
here
the
province
talks
about
every
community
hub
is
different
because
it
depends
on
the
community.
It's
in
what
community
it's
serving
cep.
Eo
has
only
16,000
students
about
3,000
staff
and
it
covers
all
of
Eastern
Ontario
as
far
east
as
Trenton
as
far
north
as
Pembroke.
It's
a
very
dispersed
board.
E
E
There
is
no
provincial
agreement
that
allows
municipalities
to
dip
in
a
ministry
of
education
funding
to
fatten
up
the
development
charge,
reserve
funds
there
are
needs
in
the
francophone
community
for
language,
specific
facilities,
and
others
will
speak
to
that.
And,
of
course,
there
are
some
shrunken
or
horses
in
terms
of
the
province
and
you'll
be
talking
about
bill
108
later.
E
This
is
not
a
case
that
council
can
win.
It
can't
win
in
a
public
domain,
it
can't
win
in
the
provincial
domain
and
while
there
are
arguable
points,
I,
don't
think
it
can
even
win
in
a
narrowly
legal
domain.
If
it's
taken
to
l-pad
my
co-presenters
as
they
say,
will
describe
and
describe
the
needs
of
the
CP
CEP
EO
in
the
francophone
community,
each
hub
is
as
unique
as
the
community
it
serves,
and
that
is
a
unique
community.
E
Dipping
into
educational
funding
has
been
refused
many
times,
including
the
last
seat.
A
case
I
acted
for
the
municipalities
where
they
tried
to
extract
development
charges
from
law
seat
a
and
the
courts
ripped
us
apart,
saying.
No
just
because
you
apply
for
a
building
permit
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
pay
every
Church.
The
municipality
can
come
up
with.
E
We've
had
preliminary
inquiries
of
other
jurisdictions,
I've
looked
specifically
at
Durham
where
the
bylaw
is
existing
and
where
there's
a
new
bio
under
consideration
and
York
and
Toronto
have
also
confirmed
informally
that
comparable
municipalities
are
not
taking
the
Ottawa
staff
position.
They
they
believe
these
community
hubs
in
schools
paid
for
by
the
ministry
are
allowable
within
the
school
purposes.
E
One
other
thing
is:
when
you
get
to
consider
your
development
charge,
bylaw
and
I
won't
speak
to
it.
Specifically,
the
exemption
in
Ottawa
is
unique.
It
talks
about
school
purpose,
everybody
else's
bylaw.
It
talks
about
school
purposes,
which
is
the
language
of
the
Act,
and
again
it
may
be
something
that
should
be
cleaned
a
whole
on
the
way.
So
I
have
no
mandate
for
that.
E
Y&Amp;V
appeals
to
that
I
looked
for
a
study
of
what
Ottawa
had
done
to
implement
the
provincial
policy.
As
I
say,
it
became
provincial
policy
as
long
ago
as
March
of
2015
can't
really
find
much,
nor
have
I
ever
seen.
Any
study
of
the
activities
that
are
already
occurring
through
the
community
in
numerous
schools,
I
mean
you'll,
be
aware
of
the
myriad
of
activities
that
goes
on
in
your
schools
and
your
wards.
E
E
A
F
E
E
He
then,
after
graduating,
went
to
a
little
town
called
Glen
Burnie
outside
of
Kingston,
where
she
taught
in
a
one-room,
eighth
grade
school.
Her
primary
duty
was
to
light
the
fire
in
the
morning.
You
know
so
when
you
asked
me
what
the
lawful
purpose
of
a
school
board
is.
It's
everything.
It
is
a
community
builder
every
bit
as
much
as
the
council
is
and,
as
you
will
know
from
your
time
at
OCDs
B,
there
are
thousands
of
programs
running
in
our
schools.
There.
F
F
And
so
what
I'm
wrestling
with
is
whether
or
not
because
in
your
letter
to
I
believe
it's
the
city,
mr.
O'connor,
our
city,
clerk
you're,
talking
about
no
land
except
land
owned
by
and
used
for
the
purposes
of
either
a
municipality
or
board
can
be
exempt,
and
so
what
I'm
trying
to
wrestle
with
is
whether
or
not
the
intended
purposes
of
this
expanded
space
or
whether
and
are
truly
the
mandate
of
a
school
board,
because
I
think
that's
where
the
crux
of
a
legal
argument
rests.
E
They're
not
for
school
board
was
erected
right.
I'll
leave
that
to
my
co-presenters,
because
they
were
the
people
who
were
involved
in
a
direct
negotiation
of
this,
and
they
can
talk
to
the
provincial
point-of-view,
but
I
will
say
as
of
March
2015.
It
is
provincial
policy
to
look
at
community
hubs
wherever
you
can
put
them.
It
is
the
future,
and
this
is
a
particular
francophone
issue.
We
are
covering
40,000
kilometers
with
only
16,000
students.
How
do
you
get
french
language
services
out
there?
This
is
the
first
initiative
in
the
West
End.
E
G
When
I
had
a
presentation
presented
to
me
on
buy
medicine
de
la
Francophonie,
they
were
talking
to
the
neighbors
in
the
community
about
what
their
purpose
was,
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
said
to
me
was
that
they
were
going
to
have
like
an
alternate
program
for
high
school
students
that
basically
they're
going
to
run
a
high
school
in
in
that
school
is.
Is
that
your
understanding
as
well?
Yes,.
E
G
It
was
very
similar
idea
that
they
were
using
the
space
there
too,
to
start
a
high
school
program
for
alternate
which
they
had
never
had
before,
and
so
it's
a
new
program,
so
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
there
is
a
teaching
component
going
on
having
been
a
trustee.
I
know
that
the
building
has
a
lot
of
things
in
it.
G
E
Would
just
add
to
your
comments,
trustee
Kavanagh
that
not
only
is
an
alternate
high
school
being
part
of
this
program.
A
la
CJ
itself
is
coming
and
offering
some
post-secondary
education
on
this
site.
It's
a
francophone
impetus,
it's
a
chance
to
speak
in
the
French
voice
at
one
location
in
the
West
End
words
needed
it
and
again,
pyram
pasa
will
speak
to
this
that
their
immigrant
community
is
difficult
to
serve
those
people
don't
know
how
to
navigate
the
services
that
would
typically,
our
existing
population
would
find.
G
H
Okay,
that's
not
a
map
result.
We
have
done
in
Connolly,
G,
Dylan
monkey
or
Vermeil
or
Scipio
ssagaji,
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vein
surgery,
Richmond,
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size,
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comparative
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service.
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animalism
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or
transfer
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laptop
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and
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A
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career
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of
our
evolve.
Our
proposal,
booing
telecom
annuity
I,
meant
a
Keynesian
collision,
Renea
illogical,
a
confessor,
yellow
the
the
fossil
ethical
moral
is
the
the
audience
a
scholarship
cuckoo.
He
asked
for
a
connection
MC
technique.
My
appetite
is
argument.
Our
internet
point
view
of
SQL
all
khan
kanika
killa,
I
think,
leads
for
our
service
divided.
G
G
Weber
I
know
when
the
president
was
definitely
an
education
component,
that
there
was
going
to
be
alternate
high
school,
something
that
our
board
has
done
for
many
many
years
and
it's
your
first
opportunity
to
have
a
special
place
for
that,
which
I
think
is
really
important,
that
it's
not
in
a
regular
high
school
that
it's
in
a
this
kind
of
format.
It
strikes
me
that
it's
it's
the
role
of
schools
is
that
they're
changing
all
the
time.
G
As
I
pointed
out
earlier,
with
beige
our
public
school,
you
have
a
component
where
you
have
adults
coming
in
and
there's
English
classes
that
are
actually
sponsored
by
the
federal
government
for
newcomers.
You're
going
to
be
this,
we
have
nothing
right
now
that
is
specifically
in
the
West
End
for
immigrants
that
are
so
no
she's
betray
content
that
Valley.
Let
that
cool
come
sir.
We
see
other
world
on
down
the
west,
so
I
just
want
to
ask:
can
you
describe
some
of
the
programming
in
the
schools
that
are
specifically
for
students
for.
H
Alternative
conservancy,
poor
wave
dick
knows
elects
or
the
potential
dakota
fist
constantly
evolved.
Its
casio
Tennille
see
blondie
susan
order.
Don't
sound
easy
left
so
for
Dolly's,
a
coloring
yeah
he's
at
home,
Josue
Nicole,
don't
it
scary
person
as
they
pull
up
turn
up
the
regulatory
older
cat
food,
so
sauce
were
if
excellent,
the
zamira.
G
H
F
You
madam
chair
I,
sat
in
this
room
eleven
years
ago,
when
the
formerly
named
committee
that
was
formerly
before
fedko
was
considering
whether
or
not
to
buy
the
old
grant
public
school
in
Bayview
school
sites
and
I
was
here
and
I
was
speaking
in
favor
of
those
acquisitions
because
of
the
hub
concept,
I,
don't
think
anyone's
debating
the
merits
of
a
hub.
We
understand
the
benefits
to
communities
to
Co,
congregate,
multiple
services
under
one
roof
or
at
least
to
attach
them
in
the
areas,
and
no
one
argues
that
school
board's
can
facilitate
many
purposes.
F
In
addition
to
educating
students
between
ages
of
3
and
21
I
think
we
acknowledge
that
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
today
is
whether
or
not
given
the
intended
purposes
that
qualifies
for
a
DC
refund
or
not.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
get
out
here
today.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
out
here
today,
so
I
heard
in
your
presentation
that
the
new
building
will
be
used.
You
specifically
say
that
they're
translated
words
were
adult
education,
an
alternative
education.
F
Those
services
does
that
go
towards
the
acquisition
of
a
secondary
school
diploma
or
when
you
use
the
words
adult
education,
is
that
the
type
of
services
like
well
non-credit
earning
courses?
Is
it
cooking
courses,
financial
planning
courses,
child
rearing
courses
that
that
is,
education,
but
I'm
looking
at?
Is
it
specifically
courses
mandated
under
a
school
board
by
the
Education,
Act
or
other
it
is?
It
is
okay,
and
so
I've
got
questions
for
staff.
Based
on
that,
any.
I
H
Simply
totally
could
advance
leafcutter
ants
me
open
here
shows
the
Robin
impacts
of
the
project,
construction,
viscosity,
Jean
and
Gomorrah
on
12,
each
project,
construction,
Italian
or
castle.
Amidala.
Don't
see,
cats
are
milled
a
lot
of
mine
dolly
in
Amira's.
You
know:
demeanor
Tony,
Loko,
Casa,
Colina,
seven
mastic,
asthma,
Mario's
come
savvy,
Don
account
locals
a
debate
with
Susie
leads
his
own
way.
A
second
person
he
lost
I
can't
process
a
telepathic
liabilities
as
which
is
apparel
a
community
francophone
police.
This
microphone
of
our
support.
A
F
F
This
is
on
page
four
of
what
the
building
will
be
used
for
so
I
need
to
ask
staff
we've
heard
from
the
delegates
of
the
school
board
they're
telling
us
what
the
building
will
be
used
for
that
seems
to
qualify
for
a
development
charge
refund,
but
that's
not
articulated
in
the
report.
So
what
am
I
missing.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Richard,
for
building-code
services,
so
staff
had
been
tasked
with
that
type
mandate
to
make
that
determination
of
the
use
of
that
space.
We
are
also
only
looking
at
if
you
can
appreciate
the
addition,
like
the
new,
the
new
square
footage
and
we
had
a
number
of
ways
we
went
about
that.
Once
an
exemption
was
looked
at,
one
was
the
website
looking
to
understand
what
a
community
hub
is
and
could
be
and
how
the
space
was
utilized
by
the
board.
C
And
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
of
page
three,
under
the
discussion
we
listed
the
uses
that
were
listed
on
the
the
architectural
drawings
the
word
discussions
had
and,
and
that
was
that
was
the
agreed-upon
use.
No,
there
was
no
change
in
the
uses.
We
looking
at
change
rooms,
community
center
fold,
there's
a
kitchen
in
there.
There
was
classrooms
identified
in
the
existing
building.
That
was
being
repurposed,
but
the
new
square
footage
in
our
in
staffs
mind
and
it
was
used
as
a
community.
It's
his
community
center.
More
so.
C
Partial
reven
is
during
during
the
appeal
there
was
a
review
of
the
file
and
it
was
determined
that
there
was
a
number
of
different
applications
made.
There
was
square
footage
changes.
There
was
a
downsizing
of
the
original
size
of
the
building
due
to
costs
and
during
those
back-and-forth,
an
error
was
made
in
the
in
the
calculation
and
the
the
news
gross
score
square
footage,
and
so
it
was
determined
that
a
refund
was
appropriate
based
on
the
but
that's
based
on
the
square
footage,
but
that
the
the
intent
was
still
to
to
charge.
F
D
So
the
answer
is
in
part,
yes
and
in
part,
no
I
did
not
approach
the
other
municipalities
to
determine
if
they
had
collected
development
charges
with
respect
to
community
homes.
What
I
did
do
was
look
at
where
other
community
hubs
had
located
in
Ontario
and
to
be
sure
there
are
former
schools
that
are
be
using
being
used
as
community
hubs,
but
I
also
found
a
library
that
had
had
space
repurposed
to
a
community
hub.
A
medical
arts
building
that
had
been
repurposed
to
a
community
hub
and
then
in
one
municipality
was.
It
was
greenfield
construction.
D
It
was
a
new
facility,
but
that
was
constructed
as
a
community
hub
and
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
provided
to
committee.
But
mr.
Weber
was
kind
enough
to
provide
me
with
material
on
Monday,
which
included
a
letter
from
the
Ministry
of
Education,
a
memo
from
the
Deputy
Minister
dated
August
10th
2015
to
directors
of
Education
throughout
the
province
and
what
it
says.
In
the
second
paragraph,
the
Mandate
of
the
advisory
group
dealing
with
community
hubs
was
to
review
provincial
policies
and
develop
a
framework
for
adapting
existing
public
properties.
So
it's
not
a
reference.
D
Just
to
schools,
it
is
what
I
would
suggest
is
something
that
makes
sense
is
where
our
public
buildings
not
being
fully
utilised,
be
they
schools,
be
they
libraries,
be
they
whatever,
and
how
can
we
repurpose
those
two
community
hubs
and
it's
information
such
as
this,
and
also
texts
from
the
minister's
press
release
that
I
included
in
the
report
that
led
staff
to
the
conclusion
that
a
community
hub
goes
beyond
school
purposes
and
therefore,
development
charges
should
be
applicable.
Thank.
F
You
for
that
last
week,
many
councillors
attended
the
annual
fundraiser
at
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
in
hogsback,
which
we
officially
opened
that
Boys
and
Girls
Club
serves
many
needs
many
purposes.
I
won't
go
into
it,
we're
all
aware
of
what
the
Boys
and
Girls
Clubs.
They
asked
me
to
assist
them
with
a
refund
of
their
dc's
and
I
said
no.
F
The
Carlington
Community
Health
Centre
is
going
through
a
major
expansion
we
have
put
in
a
42
unit,
och
seniors
building.
It
is
truly
a
hub
serving
three
or
four
different
words.
They've
asked
for
a
refund
of
their
DC's,
the
answer's,
no
I'm
open
to
a
greater
discussion
about
whether
or
not
we
should
consider
the
refund
of
DC's
for
particular
construction,
serving
particular
segments
of
our
communities
in
a
global
discussion.
I
D
Mr.
Webber
said
the
Ministry
of
Education
and
I
can't
say
that
that's
wrong.
I
can
say
that
in
the
package
of
information
that
he
provided
to
me,
the
announcement
of
the
funding
came
from
the
office
of
the
I'm
going
to
say,
assistant,
deputy
minister
ADM
I.
Don't
know
what
that
is.
Ministry
of
infrastructure.
G
Thank
you,
I.
Think.
The
big
difference
here
in
terms
of
talking
about
the
community
hub
aspect
is
the
fact
that
this
is
a
school
board.
That's
operating
this
building
and
we're
having
this
discussion,
because
it's
it's
new
construction,
not
an
evolution
of
something
that
quietly
happened.
In
the
background.
This
is
something
that's
new
and,
quite
frankly,
it's
it's.
It's
it's
pretty
essential
for
the
West
End,
it's
it's
something
that
is
going
to
be
a
continuum
of
Education.
G
Was
that
not
taken
into
consideration
the
fact
that
this
is
going
to
be
for
education
so
that
francophones
can
keep
their
language
and
that
there
in
the
West
End,
because
we
we've
heard
very
very
clearly
that
this
is
going
to
be
used
as
an
alternate
high
school?
So
the
hub
is,
as
part
of
that
it's
it's
part
of
keeping
the
length
the
French
language
in
the
West
End,
that's
extremely
important
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
help
them
to
do
that.
Is
that
not
been
taken
into
consideration?
D
Madam
chair,
there's
in,
in
my
opinion,
there's
a
two-part
test
to
the
exemption
of
school
boards
and
I
just
want
to
mention
City,
clear,
City,
clear
GL
was
a
crown
agent
and
that
so,
as
a
crown
agent
they're
exempt
from
laws
unless
the
laws
expressly
stated
the
contrary,
the
development
charges,
Act
doesn't
say
say
to
the
contrary.
That's
why
didn't
pay
with
respect
to
school
boards
and
municipalities?
It's
a
two-part
test.
The
first
question
is:
are
they
owned
by
the
municipality
or
the
school
board?
D
So
there
they
are,
but
that's
not
the
end
of
the
story.
The
fact
that
the
municipality
or
the
school
has
the
legal
power
to
own
the
land
does
not
get
them
to
the
exemption.
It
has
to
be
used
for
the
purposes
and
when
staff
did
an
analysis,
you've
heard
the
explanation
which
I
will
not
repeat.
We
came
to
the
conclusion
that
it
did
not
come
within
the
purposes
of
the
board
within
the
meaning
of
the
development
charges,
act.
D
G
I
also
think
it's
a
pretty
strong
argument
that
the
other
school
boards,
the
coterminous
boards,
are
supporting
this
because
they're
going
to
be
in
similar
situations
as
they
evolve,
because
you
know
schools
just
aren't
the
same
anymore,
they're
being
used
for
everything,
including
daycares,
etc
and
I
just
want
to
know.
If
this
has
been
taken
into
consideration.
D
J
C
So,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
You
know
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
elaborate
any
more
other
than
you
know.
These
are
discussions
and
and
that
go
on
when
we,
when
we
try
to
get
to
the
the
essence
and
of
the
of
the
intent
of
the
of
the
Act.
So
we
have
the
act.
We
have
our
development
charge
bylaw.
We
have
the
wording
that
we
go
by
and
based
on
the
discussions
we
had
at
the
time,
based
on
the
uses
that
were
determined
and
shown
on
the
on
the
plans.
That
was
the
staffs
decision.
D
That
I
could
that
I
can
assist
you
with
me,
madam
chair
and
I,
put
that
in
the
report
and
just
bear
with
me
for
a
moment.
Page
4,
so
I
I,
heard
counsel,
Brockington
asked
for
the
purposes
of
school
board
and
I
didn't
put
that
in
there,
but
I
did
put
in
the
purposes
of
the
Education
Act
and
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
section
0.1,
the
second
one.
D
The
purpose
of
education
is
to
provide
students
with
the
opportunity
to
realize
their
potential
and
develop
into
highly
skilled,
knowledgeable
caring
citizens
and
who
contribute
to
their
society
and
its
faste
view
that
what
is
being
provided
goes
beyond
that
goes
beyond
the
concept
of
riding
students
with
these
opportunities
and
goes
to
community
serving
uses,
and
that's
that's
where
we
see
the
difference.
Madam
chair,
so.
D
D
Otherwise,
there's
no
reason
for
that
second
test
and
in
looking
at
that
staff
came
to
the
conclusion
that,
when
you're
looking
at
something
that
serves
a
broad
humidity
function,
that
goes
beyond
the
purpose
that
I
just
read
out
that
such
a
function
is
subject
to
development
charges
for
a
building.
That's
constructed
to
serve
that
function,
I.
A
Okay,
so
having
I,
think
counselor,
sure,
Ellie
and
I
are
the
only
ones
that
have
the
history
of
when
the
grant
school
former
grant
school
first
came
to
be
of
interest
to
anyone
and
it's
11
or
12
years
to
go
for
sure.
But
at
the
time
there
never
was.
The
argument
was
always
that
what
it
was
a
community
hub.
It
was
an
argument
about
a
community
hub
over
and
above
the
fact
that
it
was
ever
a
school
in
the
in
the
early
days.
A
It
was
like
a
place
because
in
the
West
End
there
was
a
vacuum
of
services
for
a
francophone,
and
certainly
at
the
time
I
mean
I
can
remember
back
then
I
think
we
had
maybe
purely
at
Trudeau
school,
because
John
wasn't
open.
I
didn't
have
like
I
have
five
now
and
in
Justin
bar
Haven,
and
so
we
did
not
have
for
sure
and
kanata
didn't
have
the
numbers
that
it
has
now.
A
So
the
the
community
hub,
where
a
cultural
center
still
remains,
schools,
have
made
a
remarkable
investment
for
both
of
the
francophone
boards
and
so
I,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
say
that
the
other
school
boards
are
not
going
to
contest
this
or
anything
like
that.
But
I
really
think
that
you
know
we
have
rules
for
a
reason
and
we
have
precedents
that
can
be
set.
That
concerns
me
please.
A
Somebody
in
the
room
might
remember
the
Briere
village
that
they
built
Briere,
continuing
care
built
the
village,
the
community
village,
down
the
Hiawatha
Park
area
in
Orleans.
Did
we
charge
them
development
charge
because
I
think
that's
right
around
the
time
when
things
changed
and
we
because
we
had
been
exempting
some
people,
but
that
is
quite
a
while
ago
we
made
some
changes
visa,
be
their
ability
to
help
out
hospitals.
Mr.
mark
I
do.
A
I
think
that
that's
important
to
have
because
again
I
think
that
community
hubs
the
definition
of
community
hubs
it
can
be
very,
very
different
and
and
I
think.
The
other
thing
that's
different
about
this-
is
that
the
CP
o
is
a
very
small
board
in
a
very
large
area.
Has
a
large
area
that
it
serves
and
I
think
that
that's
a
you
know
an
extra
nuance.
A
If
you
will,
that
puts
a
pressure
on
to
what
they
want
to
do,
but
the
bottom
line
is:
is
that
back
way
back
when
the
community
hub
was
what
the
francophone
community
of
Ottawa
was
looking
for
at
this
place
and
it's
evolved
into
what
it
is
today
and
we're
really
happy
that
it
has?
But
at
this
point
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
and
anyone
else
want
to
say
anything:
do
you
want
yeas
and
nays
on
this
councillor,
capita
I.
I
I
My
addition
to
the
request
that
councilor
herders
made
relative
to
career
continuing
care,
I'd
like
to
get
a
sense
of
if
development
charges
were
paid
by
say
Pio
on
the
sports
dome
in
in
Gloucester
and
black
bear
Hamlet
specifically,
and
any
other
co-located
projects
on
school
board
property
say
within
the
last
ten
years.
How.
A
D
A
E
E
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
now,
50
years
since
I
first
appeared
at
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
30
of
those
years
on
behalf
of
municipalities
and
public
institutions,
and
when
my
clients
all
became
mr.
marks,
clients
in
2000
I've
been
able
to
appear
for
the
development
industry
and
private
practice,
and
so
on.
Tim
has
taken
good
care
of
them,
but
I've
enjoyed
my
time
in
the
Dirk
site,
but
this
all
ends
with
my
retirement.
E
This
summer
may
be
my
last
opportunity
to
appear
before
this
committee
I
want
to
take
a
brief
moment
to
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
your
predecessors,
and
all
the
members
of
the
committee's
going
back
over
those
50
years.
As
you
know,
the
standard
of
decision-making
must
always
be
to
justice,
be
done
and
be
seen
to
be
done.
I,
don't
say
the
decisions
were
always
just,
but
there
was
a
corrective
at
the
OMB
when
they
were
particularly
egregious
and
I'm
delighted
to
see
that
coming
back
into
practice
as
I'm
sure
mr.
E
Willis
would
outlined
for
you,
but
justice
always
appeared
to
be
done.
Councils
were
always
respectful
during
the
five
minutes
allowed
for
presentation.
I
found
very
little
grandstanding
over
the
years
and
when
there
was
there
were
chairs
to
to
call
that
back
into
order.
So
I
have
been
fairly
treated
here.
I
have
never
had
a
fear
of
coming
to
this
committee.
I
go
back
a
long
way.
E
Gordon
hunter
was
your
initial
predecessor.
Here
he
began
teaching
school
with
my
late
wife
in
1968,
so
I
go
back
forever
and,
of
course,
share
harder.
I
won't
comment
on
how
long
you've
been
around
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
fair,
but
as
I
recall,
you
were
drawing
the
baby
bonus
when
I
first
met
you
on
the
peon
council.
Those
days
are
over
so
I
never
approached
these
hearings
in
fear
and
trembling
I'm
glad
to
end
it,
as
I
did
today
appearing
for
a
public
institution,
particularly
a
francophone
institution.
E
It
says
so
much
about
how
relations
have
developed,
that
they
have
the
courage
to
hire
an
angle
and
lawyer,
because
he
has
experience
in
an
error
in
an
area
and
I
have
the
courage
to
act
for
them.
It's
great
to
end
it
here
at
the
Ottawa
Normal
School,
as
I
said,
my
mother
was
a
graduate
and
if
you
go
in
the
haunted,
walk
of
Ottawa
or
one
of
them,
they
always
point
out
that
the
Kiefer
room
is
haunted
and
that
that's
sort
of
the
selling
point
it
was
a
science
classroom
and
I
guess.
E
A
A
A
We
are
going
now
to
our
other
health
item,
which
is
the
2019
development
charges,
background
studies
and
bylaws
and
mr.
Willis
is
our
general
manager
of
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development
is
in
the
driver's
seat.
He's
got
a
supporting
cast
along
with
him
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
he's
going
to
do
a
separate
presentation
on
Bill
108
and
what
we
actually
know
about
it
right
now,
which
is
not
everything,
because
it's
that
new,
so
important
piece
of
work,
Charmaine
forgi,
is
with
him
and
Gary,
Baker
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
mr.
K
You,
madam
chair,
first
of
all,
madam
chair,
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
under
the
development
charges
act.
The
purposes
mr.
mark
mr.
baker,
ms
for
gear,
at
the
table
with
me
here
to
assist
in
making
this
presentation
to
to
you
today
and
answering
any
questions.
I
also
have
staff
from
transportation,
services,
Parks
and
Recreation
recreation,
cultural
facilities,
the
city
treasurer,
is
also
in
the
audience
as
well.
So
we
have
a
number
of
people
available
to
assist
as
required.
K
As
the
chair
indicated
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation,
we
intend
to
do
a
separate
presentation
on
bill
108
at
the
end
of
this
session
and
I
would
ask
your
indulgence
that
questions
related
to
bill
108.
We
would
leave
to
that
portion
as
they
relate
to
development
charges
or
any
other
matter.
We
discuss
and
mr.
K
Mark's
going
to
actually
assist
me
in
that
presentation,
but
I
do
think
it's
worthwhile
giving
you
a
quick
snapshot
of
how
developed
bill
1:08
affects
development
charges
and
then,
as
I
said,
we'll
talk
more
later
on,
there
are
under
bill
108,
which
amends
a
number
of
pieces
of
legislation.
There
are
changes
to
the
development
charges
Act
and
the
significant
changes
to
the
Act,
the
biggest
ones
that
they
change
are
how
they
relate
to
secondary
Suites,
where
secondary
Suites
would
be
exempted
from
development
charges.
K
Soft
services
under
the
development
charges,
Act
and
we'll
go
into
this
in
more
detail,
will
no
longer
be
collected
under
development
charges.
They
would
have
to
be
collected
through
a
separate
mechanism,
called
a
community
benefits
charge
and
there's
a
number
of
changes
to
the
way
we
would
have
to
administer
the
development
charges
act
and
in
the
new
legislation.
K
But
the
reason
I
need
your
indulgence
today
to
focus
on
adopting
this
bylaw
under
the
current
legislation
is:
should
we
not
adopt
this
bylaw,
we
will
not
be
collecting
development
charges
in
Ottawa
after
June
11th,
so
we
do
need
to
adopt
it
under
the
current
legislation.
So
that's
the
context
I'd
like
to
set
for
this
presentation
so
quickly
to
give
you
an
overview
of
how
the
methodology-
and
this
is
for
the
councillors
who've
been
here.
A
number
of
terms
would
recognize
this
basic
formula.
It's
it.
K
The
the
province
has
set
a
very,
very
specific
process
of
how
you
calculate
development
charges
and
one
of
the
lessons
I
learned
since
I've
been
on
the
job
here.
The
City
of
Ottawa
is
not
a
lot
of
room
for
creativity
and
the
way
you
do
it
because
it
is
all
dictated
by
law
or
regulation.
We,
this
development
charges
by
law,
is
based
on
a
growth
projection
forecast
until
2031,
and
even
though
our
official
plan
now
goes
to
2036.
The
reason
why
we
couldn't
do
a
growth
projection
forecast
beyond
2030
one
is
our
transportation
master
plan.
K
K
The
council
sponsors
group
direction
that
gave
to
us
and
the
suggestions
on
how
to
approach
this
is
we
were
not
adding
new
projects
and
you
can't
add
new
projects
to
a
development
charges
bylaw
unless
they
exist
in
an
approved
plan
and
with
no
changes
to
the
transportation
master
plan
or
infrastructure
master
plan.
We
were
thank
you
that
we
were
unable
to
add
new
projects
to
this
bylaw,
so
we're
taking
the
same
list
of
projects
from
the
last
time
and
rolling
them
over
to
the
new
bylaw.
K
With
the
projection
growth
projections
remaining
between
now
and
2030
one,
we
did
a
number
of
stakeholder
engaged.
Sorry,
one
additional
point:
we
did
take
the
2013
projects
list
and
where
we
had
updated
cost
estimates
as
a
result
of
further
study
by
staff
and
transportation
or
infrastructure
services.
We
used
the
most
up-to-date
cost
estimate
possible
and
where
we
didn't
have
a
newer
cost
estimate
we
applied
in,
so
that
we
brought
it
up
to
contemporary
costing
estimates.
K
We
had
a
stakeholder
engagement
process
and
we
met
with
FCA
in
February,
we
released
the
draft
study
online
in
March
on
March
15th
and
sent
a
link
to
that
online
study
to
all
the
stakeholders
who
identified
an
interest.
We
met
with
the
development
industry
in
a
number
of
separate
meetings
between
December
and
April,
and
a
lot
of
the
discussion
was
not
about
again
not
about
adding
or
deleting
projects.
It
was
primarily
focused
or
the
weight
how
the
calculations
were
done.
K
The
methodology
of
transition
and
some
of
the
matters
and
I
believe
some
of
the
speakers
will
talk
to
some
of
those
matters.
Today
we
had
meetings
with
a
council
sponsored
counselor
sponsors
group,
and
we
also
provided
sessions
in
the
last
number
of
days
for
counselors
who,
why
they're
interested
in
a
refresher
on
how
the
Act
works
or
for
those
who
had
not
been
through
the
process
before
we
provided
a
series
of,
we
call
it
a
DC,
a
development
rate
of
primer
sessions
for
it
as
well.
K
We
also
this
whole
process
couldn't
have
happened
without
the
interdepartmental
steering
committee,
so
I
think
my
colleagues
and
other
departments
so
fundamentally
development
charges
is
the
legislative
basis
for
recovering
the
capital
costs
incurred
by
growth
and
through
projects
identified
in
approved
plans,
and
we
must
follow
at
all
times
the
develpment
rj's
Act
development
charges
recover.
The
capital
costs
were
in
addition
to
the
costs
that
would
be
normally
constructed
because
there's
certain
costs
in
a
subdivision
that
developers
pay
for
directly.
K
K
So
the
development
charges
Act
also
requires-
and
it's
a
in
this
is
one
of
the
more
complex
parts
of
the
legislation-
is
that
we
calculate
our
level
of
service
for
any
particular
the
soft
services
which
are
not
projects
that
are
hard
with
capital
cost
estimates
based
on
the
historic
10-year
average
level
of
service.
We
provided
so
and
I
know
that
we've
had
discussions
with
certain
counselors
and
some
people
at
the
table
about,
for
example,
libraries.
We
you,
you
cannot
put
more
towards
libraries
unless
that
has
been
your.
K
This
level
of
service
you've
had
for
the
last
ten
years,
so
we
do
update
what
the
historic
level
of
service
has
been,
but
that
is
the
limitation.
The
law
actually
provides,
and
this
applies
to
parks,
recreation,
libraries,
protection
services
such
as
fire
and
police,
those
ones
that
are
not
hard
Capitol
projects.
I
thought
this
was
an
interesting
slide.
I,
don't
know
how
easy
it
is
to
read
on
the
screen
if
your
screens
in
front
of
you
have
it.
K
This
is
an
annual
profile
of
our
development
charges
collections
and
our
receipts
on
a
month-by-month
basis
that
was
provided
to
us
by
Finance.
I.
Think
it's
interesting
to
note
that
in
this
previous
bylaw
we
had
the
lower
lines
on
the
Charter,
the
first
couple
of
years
in
the
bylaw
and
and
and
actually
each
year
of
the
bylaw
we've
accrued
more
and
more
revenue
over
the
life,
and
that
relates
to
one
of
the
most
important
things
about
the
development
charges
is
it's
all.
Our
revenues
are
always
related
to
how
much
development
is
actually
happening.
K
It's
because
it
is
based
on
the
timely
issue,
building
permits
in
the
system,
and
we
always
have
this
spike
mid
year
in
any
year,
because
that's
the
around
the
time
we
applied,
the
inflationary
increases
every
single
year
where
we
raise
our
rates
by
inflation
and
because
it's
totally
legal
to
do
this.
People,
knowing
that
we're
going
to
raise
it
by
inflation
every
year,
try
to
get
their
permits
approved
before
we
do
that
that
is
allowed
under
the
law,
and
it
is
a
function
of
our
annual
receipts.
K
But
I
thought
it's
just
an
interesting
kind
of
sense
of
how
our
revenues
come
in
every
year.
The
good
news
is
we're
raising
more
and
based
on
the
first
quarter.
So
far
our
application
counts
are
up
and
the
order
of
between
fifteen
and
twenty
five
percent,
depending
on
the
type
of
application,
so
I,
would
imagine
the
the
rest
of
this
year
will
again
be
a
higher
line
than
last
year.
But
we
are
beholden
to
broader
economic
cycles
and
there
is
no
guarantee
of
the
rate
of
revenue
coming
in
because
of
those
economic
cycles.
K
So
we
issued
the
a
draft
background
study
and
made
a
number
of
changes
to
the
background
study
based
on
the
discussions
and
the
input
from
stakeholders,
including
staff
and
in
sponsors,
group
and
external
stakeholders.
One
of
the
most
significant
bits
of
change
we
have
done
to
address
one
of
the
issues
came
out
of
our
r4
planning
study
is
that
rooming
dwelling
units
is
a
new
category
in
the
bylaw
that
didn't
exist
in
the
previous
bylaw
and
that's
to
address
those
rooming
house
style
units
that
were
paying
a
very
low
development
charges
rate.
K
They
were
categorized
in
the
same
category
as
a
nursing,
home
and
now
they're
being
a
category
based
on
their
own
use,
which
is
a
person
per
unit,
which
is
what
those
things
are
typically
built
on
and
it
will
raise
their
development
charges.
They
need
to
pay
which
would
reduce
some
of
the
disincentives
to
build
these
things
as
proper
apartments
that
exist
in
the
financial
disincentives.
We've
been
trying
to
address
as
an
outcome
of
the
r4
study.
K
So
again
we
made
the
major
changes
to
the
bunk
house
regulations
and
this
will
be
a
financial
tool
that
reinforces
that
decision.
Council
previously
made
can't
emphasize
enough
how
formulaic
these
calculations
are
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
sample
calculation
of
how
any
service
is
calculated.
So
this
is
just
an
example,
so
the
law
sets
what
we
can
talk
about
in
terms
of
a
we
have
a
capital
cost
an
amount
we
can
charge
during
this
period
a
series
of
statutory
deductions
so
they're
in
a
number
of
instances,
and
it
varies
depending
on
the
use.
K
The
law
requires
that
we
deduct
an
amount
and
the
theory
behind
the
law
is
that
any
capital
works.
Yes,
it's
primarily
being
used
by
growth
and
new
population,
but,
to
a
certain
extent,
it's
used
by
people
who
are
already
here
as
well.
We
imagine
a
segment.
A
road
is
built,
it's
not
100%
used
by
new
people,
it's
to
a
certain
extent
use.
So
the
law
sets
that
that's
not
our
discretion.
K
They
set
those
statutory
deduction
rates
and
then
we
divide
it
by
the
projected
number
of
residential
or
non-residential
developments
going
to
happen
during
the
development
period.
So
we
just
give
you
a
simple
calculation
where
we
have
1.6
million
of
a
cost
over
one
hundred
and
thirty-nine
thousand
units
did
I,
get
that
right:
Gary,
I,
didn't
mix,
mix
million
and
billion
no
and
and
therefore
you
will
arrive
at
eleven
thousand
per
capita
development
charge
rate
for
that
project.
So
it's
just
it's
a
sample
calculation.
This
is
not
necessarily
related
to
what's
in
here.
K
K
Apartments
are
still,
we
still
use
apartments
for
comparison
in
the
great
within
the
Greenbelt,
because
it's
the
predominant
unit
type
between
the
old
and
the
new
rates,
and
we
use
singled
and
sent
me
to
touch
units
outside
the
Greenbelt
because
they're
the
predominate
development.
So
you
can
understand
the
rate
increase
so
inside
the
Greenbelt
singles
are
going
up
considerably
based
on
the
calculation
by
twenty
three
percent
outside
the
Greenbelt
singles
and
semi-detached
are
going
up
four
percent,
and
that
has
to
do
a
lot
with
the
projects
that
we're
in
the
previous
bylaw
have
been
built.
K
K
K
K
Seventeen
percent
now
the
big
driver
of
the
increase
inside
the
Greenbelt
is
we've
added
a
number
of
new
Park
projects
that
were
not
previously
considered,
as
I
said,
because
of
approved
plans
and
those
are
community
design
plans
that
have
been
adopted,
identify
new
urban
parks,
so
they
are
eligible
to
be
added,
and
a
number
of
the
downtown
inner
urban
councilors
had
every
mark
to
us
about
the
fact
that
we
had
not
raised
a
lot
of
money
to
implement
these
parks
with
the
intensification.
So
it
is.
K
It
is
meeting
the
policy
objective
of
trying
to
raise
the
money
to
deliver
on
those
promises
related
to
intensify
keishon
outside
the
Greenbelt.
As
I
said,
the
change
charges
are
more
modest.
Overall.
These
increases
in
charges
are
represent
between
it's
five
to
seven
percent
of
the
cost
of
new
homes
in
Ottawa,
which
we've
basically
over
the
years,
continued
to
have
roughly
the
same
band.
So
that's
a
bit
of
a
measure
of
the
impact
on
affordability.
We
haven't
varied
outside
that
band.
On
affordability,.
K
So
important
timelines
that
Alma
charges
by
Allah
it
will
come
before
council
on
May
22nd
2019
and
that
is
required
to
have
it
in
place
because
the
new
bylaw
will
expire.
The
old
bylaw
will
expire,
June
11th
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
As
I
said,
I
have
a
team
of
people
to
assist
me
and
glad
to
clarify
anything.
A
We
have
a
good
number
of
people
that
want
to
speak
to
us
in
delegations,
so
we're
going
to
go
right
to
the
delegations.
First,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
First
up
is
drew
mere
valves
drew
is
with
the
Somerset
West
Community
Health
Center
for
the
information
of
drew
and
everyone
coming
after
him.
The
we
have
five
minutes
for
presentation
by
the
delegations.
B
Think
it's
probably
worth
starting
off
by
echoing
mr.
Webber's
sentiments.
I've
lived
a
lifetime
less
than
him,
but
I'm
appreciative
of
kind
of
the
safe
atmosphere
that
that
exists
here
for
this
kind
of
dialogue.
So
so
thank
you
to
each
of
you
for
being
here
today,
as
mentioned,
my
name
is
drew
Muirfield,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
summers
at
West,
Community,
Health
Center,
but
also
the
inclusive
neighborhoods
coalition.
B
But
the
reason
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
today
and-
and
this
will
echo
some
of
the
sentiments
that
the
green
space
Alliance
also
speaks
to
you
about-
is
it
on
the
topic
of
development
charges
now
I
think
in
the
open
letter?
You've,
probably
all
read
it.
One
of
the
key
points
or
key
lines
calling
cards
is:
is
growth
paying
for
growth,
and
this
isn't
something
that's
meant
to
be
an
antagonistic
NIMBY
versus
developer
idea,
but
but
rather
a
solution
or
a
principle
that
begins
to
get
at
building
sustainable
cities.
Now
I
acknowledge
what
mr.
B
Willis
said
and
he's
far
more
an
expert
on
this
particular
topic
than
I
am
in
that
these.
These
pieces
are
are
rigid
within
that
rigid
legislation.
It
seems
to
me
that
there
is
still
an
opportunity
for
considerable
discretion
and
when
it
comes
to,
when
it
comes
to
a
discretion
in
assigning
a
sort
of
discount
value
to
the
to
the
community
value
that
a
development
allows
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
completely
valid,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
think
we
need
to
begin
to
take
a
really
holistic
view
of
what
intensification
means
to
our
city.
B
B
We
want
people
in
these
environments
to
be
able
to
be
their
best
selves
and
in
order
to
do
that,
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
development
charges
or
funding
of
the
like
paves
the
way
for
the
social
infrastructure
that
really
helps
and
supports
people
living
in
environments.
So
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us,
within
this
rigid
context,
to
get
a
little
bit
creative
with
what
with
what
we
do
now.
B
Avenue
has
a
some
sewer
issues
so
to
do
urban
intensified
and
suburban
intensified
areas
have
different
issues
that
are
worth
that
are
worth
beginning
to
address
and
understanding
and,
lastly,
being
cognizant
of
the
time.
I
think
if,
if
one
is
so
jaded
towards
the
idea
of
development
charges
and
its
ability
to
respond
effectively
to
to
the
challenges
and
opportunities
that
we're
facing,
then
something
like
a
tax
increment
financing
program
may
be
in
order.
Thank.
A
You
yep,
listen
very
well
said:
I
mean
I,
think
you
covered
a
ton
of
stuff
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
your
comments
about
our
Official
Plan
process
and
how
that's
evolving
mr.
Allen
megaliths
is
is
the
our
lead
person
on
that
so
I'm
sure
he'd
like
to
have.
If
you
haven't
chatted
with
him,
you
should
have
a
conversation.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
mr.
Muir
veldt?
A
H
My
concern
is
the
development
charges,
the
consultation
is
there
much
consultation
with
the
people
affected,
not
just
the
developers,
but
the
people
who
are
surrounded
developments
I'd
like
to
see
a
broader
consultation
with
all
affected.
An
example:
I
have
is
I
previously
lived
in
Sonora
Boulevard
right
beside
a
development
that
or
that
came
in
and
it
was
at
the
corner.
My
saw
my
sidewalk
was
blocked.
H
I
was
the
Dennis
och
building
and
basically
I
was
people
in
the
building
who
couldn't
walk
as
well
with
strollers,
with
with
other
concerns,
we
were
trapped
because
the
developer
were
given
given
free
rein
to
to
create
the
building,
and
was
the
surrounding
area
wasn't
wasn't
consulted
in
how
it
was
going
to
affect
us
so
I'm
just
wondering
when
he'd
do
these
development
charges?
Do
you
think
about
how
it's
going
to
affect
the
surrounding
community
and
and
had?
H
A
You've
probably
heard
mr.
Willis,
when
he
was
talking
talking
about
the
fact
that
the
timing
that
we
have
that
this
will
be
in
play,
ties
very
much
into
the
infrastructure
master
plan
and
the
transportation
master
plan
and
through
those
in
the
Official
Plan.
That
really
tells
us
how
we're
going
to
grow
the
city
where
we're
going
to
grow
it,
how
we're
gonna
grow
it
and
you
know
over
the
next
12
years.
We
need
something
over
seven
billion
dollars
to
get
that
money.
There's
a
mathematical
equation.
Am
I
explaining
this
well
enough?
Mr.
A
Willis
there's
a
mathematical
equation
so
for
large
part,
the
the
time
that
you
take
and
I
see
miss
Perry
here
to
Darien
Day
and
ruin
Driessen
and
other
people
who
take
tons
of
time.
You
come
out
here.
You
participate
you're
involved
in
the
official
plan,
you're
involved
in
the
transportation
master
plan,
you're
involved
in
the
infrastructure
master
plan,
you're
telling
us
where
we
need
sidewalks
you're
telling
us
where
we
need
cycling
lanes,
you're
telling
us
where
we
need
better
transit.
A
All
of
those
things
come
together,
but
in
the
end,
it's
that's
absolutely
the
important
stuff,
but
the
development
charges
are
mathematical
and
and
that's
why
I
think
there
was
that
one
slide,
that
you
showed
that
they
clearly
showed
that
component
piece
and
mr.
Baker
who's
sitting
beside
him.
He
takes
all
of
that
information
and
how
to
afford
the
things
that
you've
said
matter
and
I
know
that
you
participating
a
lot
in
many
things
here
at
the
city,
because
it's
not
the
first
time
you've
been
here.
Yes,.
H
A
That
isn't
what
today's
about
and
on
what
the
boat
is
about.
It's
about
how
to
afford.
How
do
we
collect
the
money
to
afford
the
the
major
plans
that
we
have
at
the
city
in
the
time
frame
that
they
have
on
Miss
Qi
is
miss
baby
Qi
is
here
she's
a
manager
is
a
manager
director,
director
of
transportation
planning,
and
she
has
I
mean
she
has
a
pot
of
money
that
is
very
much
tied
to
specific
projects
she
has
to
we
have
to
through
mr.
Baker
in
his
equation.
A
K
So
it
encouraged
the
decadent
to
talk
to
mr.
mega
lies
about
involvement
in
the
official
plan
and
the
policies
we
set
related
to
new
infill
development
and
what
our
planning
requirements
are
and
miss
cheese.
Also
here
can
talk
about
mobility
within
the
city.
It
these
issues
need
to
be
dealt
with
on
a
planning
policy
level.
This
is
not
a
development
charges
issue,
which
is
that
what
the
developers
need
to
pay
as
they
build
so
I
think
your
issues
we
we
would
be
very
interested
in
addressing
those
issues.
A
A
L
Good
morning,
members
of
the
Planning
Committee
and
city
staff,
I'm
gonna,
just
start
by
reading
the
open
letter
sent
to
council
from
the
green
space
Alliance
of
Canada's
capital,
the
federation
of
citizens,
associations
of
ottawa
and
the
healthy
transportation
Coalition
on
May,
7th,
so
I'm
speaking
to
page
1
of
the
letter
and
it's
my
understanding,
Rob
Barnes
from
ecology
Ottawa
is
going
to
speak
to
page
2.
So
it
says
dear
members
of
council.
L
Subject,
development
charges
are
everybody's
business
and
it
says
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
has
conducted
its
periodic
review
of
the
development
charges
in
a
manner
that
has
excluded
input
from
the
public,
except
for
advice
from
the
development
industry.
The
letter
points
out
that
between
December
and
March
staff
and
consultants
met
13
times
with
development
representatives.
An
informal
group
of
community
representatives
were
briefed
just
once,
and
it
was
a
subset
of
the
community.
L
I
would
say:
I
wouldn't
necessarily
say
that
it
was
a
particularly
diverse
subset
of
the
community
while
professing
to
have
growth
pay
for
growth.
The
city
has
listened
to
only
one
side
which
aims
to
have
the
charges
as
low
as
possible.
Infrastructure
costs
not
covered
by
the
development
charges
have
to
be
picked
up
by
the
property
taxpayers
across
the
city,
while
much
of
the
calculation
of
the
development
charges
is
prescribed
by
law.
L
Considerable
discretion
remains,
including
what
capital
projects
benefit
the
city
as
a
whole,
or
primarily
certain
areas
to
what
extent
a
project
benefits
existing
settlement
areas
and
to
what
extent
geographic
differences
in
costs
are
recognized,
there's
much
room
for
discretion
and
fair
debate
prior
to
staff.
Starting
the
background
study,
no
policy
options
or
guiding
principles
were
put
before
the
public
and
council.
L
The
background
study
does
not
present
the
analysis
and
results
in
a
manner
that's
accessible
to
the
layperson,
and
so
we
request
that
the
city
today
commit
to
having
an
open
and
transparent
process
for
the
next
round
of
development
charges
review.
This
2019
review
is
labeled
in
term
the
one
that's
before
you
today,
because
it's
based
on
outdated
information
and
update
of
the
transportation
infrastructure
master
plans,
which
normally
forms
the
basis
of
the
development
charges.
Calculation
will
not
be
completed
until
2021
or
2022,
so
the
projections
of
population
housing,
an
employment,
are
vintage
2013.
L
The
capital
program
is
essentially
the
same
as
was
considered
in
2014.
The
background
study
describes
and
only
the
vaguest
of
terms
how
the
information
was
updated,
so
I'm
now
going
to
go
away
from
what
the
letter
says
and
just
share
some
comments.
That
I
think
many
members
of
the
healthy
transportation
coalition
have
by
way
of
background.
The
Coalition
is
a
group
of
33
different
organizations,
more
than
200
individual
members,
Rubik
working
to
make
Ottawa
better
for
pedestrians,
cyclists,
people
who
have
mobility
challenges
and
public
transit
riders.
L
We've
had
very
very
good
conversations
with
staff
about
trying
to
get
people
to
come
to
that
workshop.
It's
Wednesday
May.
The
15th
and
all
of
you
should
have
received
an
invitation,
so
certainly
our
impression
and
I,
don't
know
that
this
was
discussed.
Is
that
growth
isn't
paying
for
growth
all
the
time
or
certainly
not,
100
percent
of
the
of
the
costs
are
being
covered,
and
so
it'd
be
good
to
know
exactly
what
the
sense
is
as
to
how
much
is
not
being
covered
and
what
can
be
done
to
address
that.
L
L
There
are
groups
that
are
at
risk
of
exclusion,
the
ones
that
I
will
list
up
above
and
they
face
the
consequences
of
that
exclusion
every
day,
so
we're
just
in
the
city
to
to
do
better
the
next
time
it
updates
this
into
formal
working
group
with
residents,
and
ideally
the
working
group
would
include
folks
from
diversity
of
backgrounds,
including
those
listed
here.
Thank.
F
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
mr.
Shea
for
coming
I
appreciate
your
submission
and
I
agree
with
you
wholeheartedly
about
the
city
having
a
duty
and
responsibility
to
help.
Explain
this
to
the
public.
I
think
this
is
a
very
significant
endeavor
when
we're
updating
this
bylaw
and
talking
about
what
the
amount
should
be
particularly
to
fund
growth.
I,
don't
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
ideally
what
would
an
open
and
transparent
process?
Look
like
you've
identified
some
marginalized
communities,
but
just
talk
about
process
to
help
me
going
from.
L
L
Transparency
is
fundamental
to
excitement
and
understanding
the
process,
and
so
I
think
that
having
a
working
group
formed
for
the
next
time
would
be
wonderful,
including
a
diversity
of
people
in
that
working
group
would
be
and
pourtant,
allowing
perhaps
people
that
are
part
of
that
working
group
to
then
go
back
to
their
communities,
some
of
whom
are
listed
here.
I
think
there's
11
different
groups
that
are
at
risk
of
exclusion
and
informing
them
and
trying
to
do
knowledge,
translation
for
them
and-
and
the
fact
is
this
stuff
takes
time.
L
Back
from
the
folks
that
developers
and
the
homebuyers
and
whatnot
that
are
causing
this
growth
and
and
what
the
implications
are
to
low-density
suburban
areas
where
I
live,
I
live
in
Canada,
not
necessarily
having
the
population
density
to
totally
cover
the
costs
of
all
the
infrastructure,
that's
required
to
feed.
You
know
these
these
areas
with
clean
water
and
roads,
and
things
like
that
I
think
he
would
get
very
good
input
from
folks
and
I
think.
L
Ultimately,
they
would
probably
be
very
supportive
of
the
city
stated
goals,
which
is
to
encourage
greater
density,
around
public
transit
hubs
to
encourage
social
housing
near
Rapid
Transit,
to
encourage
a
greater
transition
away
from
our
car
centric
development
toward
more
public
transit
and
walking
and
biking,
and
so
I
think
it
takes
time.
Councilor,
Brockington,
I,
think
it
takes
intention
and
I
think
it
takes
a
real
commitment
to
knowledge,
translation,
and
so
those
would
be
some
of
my
ideas.
L
G
G
A
L
You
know
we
were
door-knocking
yesterday
in
councillor,
Dean's
is
Ward
in
social
housing
and
co-op
housing.
We
talked
to
lots
of
people
who
you
know,
don't
necessarily
think
about
the
stuff
all
the
time,
but
who,
when
you
engage
in
conversation
with
them,
they
are
interested
and
they
have
actually
quite
a
lot
to
offer
to
the
conversation
so
part
of
the
I
guess.
L
The
biggest
challenge
is
just
getting
out
from
behind
your
desk
and
knocking
on
doors
and
I
know
that
that
takes
time
and
energy
and
resources,
but
I
think
that
being
intentional
about
that
and
doing
that,
work
is
fundamental
to
creating
a
city
for
all
people.
So
perhaps
the
city
could
collaborate
with
existing
organisations
that
are
doing
some
of
this
work
to
bring
information
to
them
to
meet
with
them
in
their
neighborhoods
at
their
community
centers,
for
example,
and
to
we
we
have
found
going
to
things
that
are
already
happening
and
asking
for
time
on.
L
Their
agendas
is
a
useful
thing,
because
people
are
already
gathering
at
monthly
or
weekly
activities
through
their
volunteerism.
Or
what
have
you
and
so
doing
that
in
a
very
focused
way,
is,
is
very
important,
and
you
know
we've
had
very
good
conversations
with
charmaine
in
recent
weeks
about
doing
that
related
to
the
Official
Plan
and
because
the
development
charges
is
so
fundamental
to
so
much
of
the
city's
finances.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
done
with
regard
to
this
as
well.
L
G
A
G
A
L
That's
correct
and
what
I
was
saying
is
that
I
think
if
we
were
to
think
creatively,
we
could
talk
to
people
about
development
charges
at
the
doors,
but
we
weren't
yesterday
and
particularly,
but
we
were
talking
about
things
that
are
related
to
transportation
and
equity
and
it
touches
on
all
this
stuff.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
thanks
very
much
for
coming
out
Doug
Thompson's
up
next
I.
Don't
want
anybody
to
think
that
we
don't
do
a
lot
of
community
public
consultation
of
all
kinds
in
this
city.
In
fact,
I
often
in
fact,
recently
I
received
an
email
which
I
just
forwarded
to
miss
for
Giggy
vote
from.
Where
was
that
one
from
Strathcona?
A
That's
the
difference
about
what
we're
talking
about
today
and
you
know,
with
regard
to
growth,
paying
growth.
Kevin
ware
is
here
in
the
audience
and
he
and
I
were
the
project
managers.
If
you
will
of
the
Mentos
rec
center
93%
of
the
money
from
Mentos
rec
was
paid
for
by
development
in
the
suburbs
93
percent,
and
it's
certainly
not
used
only
by
people
that
live
in
bar
Haven.
Okay,
that's
the
way,
those
things
work,
so
we
decide
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
on
a
soapbox
but
I
think
it's
important
to
say.
A
Based
on
you
know,
just
some
of
the
things
that
we're
hearing
we
decide
and
after
people
come
and
tell
us
all
kinds
of
people
and
yes,
including
too
ella
purrs.
They
got
to
say
to
they
live
in
this
city.
They
build
the
city,
they
invest
money
here,
but
all
the
people
that
contribute
and
take
the
time
and
we're
constantly
trying
to
think
of
ways-
and
we
were
just
the
other
day
on
the
ice
surface,
sponsor
group
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on.
How
can
we
outreach
the
most
that
we
can?
A
How
can
we
get
to
people
that
aren't
engaged
because
they
don't
you
know
they
don't
play
hockey?
They
don't
play
ring
at
they're,
not
ice
skate
figure
skaters
of
stuff
yeah,
but
we
know
that
it
matters
in
communities.
How
do
we
do
more
of
that
beyond
going
to
FCA
beyond
going
to
all
of
our
important
associations?
So
we're
constantly
looking
always
looking
for
ideas
on
how
to
do
that
better
and
Trevor
you've.
Given
us
a
couple?
Well,
thanks,
very
much
for
that
Doug
you're!
C
Trying
to
pass
me
that
I
make
me
nervous
anyway,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
here
representing
the
mid-calf,
fair
and
I
guess,
indirectly,
the
other
royal
fairs,
carp,
navin
and
Richmond
Medcalf,
fair
and
I
hope
consular
Moffitt
is
listening,
is
probably
the
best
fair
in
all
of
Ottawa.
I
just
wanted
to
point
of
order,
a
point
of
order.
That's.
C
The
recommendations
here-
I've
worked
with
Gary,
Baker,
indirectly
and
directly
I
guess
through
emails,
and
we're
really
pleased
that
buildings
on
agriculture
by
agricultural
societies
on
agricultural
lands
are
going
to
be
exempt.
We
have
been
thinking
that
this
should
have
happened
a
number
of
years
ago.
C
I
think
it's
fair
and
so
we're
very
pleased
that
this
is
part
of
the
the
development
charges
by
law
and,
as
I
said,
the
fair
and
the
other
rail
fares
are
and
supported
this
so
I'm
just
here
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
their
work
on
this
and
listening
to
our
concerns,
and
hopefully
it
passes
on
the
22nd
as
its
outlined
here.
Well.
A
Thanks
Doug
and
I'm
I'm,
you
know
I,
don't
think
anybody
can
outdo
us
in
Canada,
probably
for
the
fares
that
we
have
and
one
of
the
great
good
fortunes
we
have
of
82%
of
our
landmass.
Being
rural
agricultural
I
mean
it's
a
terrific
it.
You
know
that
you're
getting
closer
to
fall
when
the
first
fair
is
announced.
Yes,.
A
A
C
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
thank
Steve,
Willis
and
and
staff
for
the
the
great
dialogue
we
did,
as
mentioned
earlier
from
a
from
a
previous
presenter
that
we
did
have
several
meetings
very
responsive
to
our
concerns,
really
appreciate
that
and
and
I
I
do
realize
that
came
from
direction
from
Council,
so
very,
very
happy
to
hear
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
happy
to
see
was
a
discussion
about
apartment
affordability
in
the
inner
city
with
regards
to
higher
density.
It's
a
it's
time
to
talk
about
that
and
we
were
very
pleased.
C
Gova
did
submit
a
letter
to
to
the
committee
and
to
staff
highlighting
some
concerns
that
we
would
think
that
would
be
unresolved
to
this
point.
I
know
there
was
a
response
done
this
morning.
I
haven't
really
gone
through
that
with
with
Goble,
but
I
heard.
It
was
well
received,
in
particular,
some
issues
remaining
with
parks,
intersection
issues
that
I
think
that
we
can
resolve
before
the
May
22nd
council
date.
C
C
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
list
of
the
details,
but
in
general
there
are
some
concerns
with
the
calculations
for
whether
we're
paying
post
period
or
existing
benefit
to
some
of
the
urban
parks.
Okay,
so
that's
no
ongoing
discussion.
I
haven't
been
personally
involved
with
it.
One
of
our
subcommittees
has
been
involved
with
staff
and
then
also
there
were
some
concerns
of
the
definitions
of
intersections
and
what
is
transitionary
or
temporary
versus
phased
works.
Okay,.
K
A
B
Good
morning,
counselors
a
good
morning,
chair,
happy
to
be
here
today
on
behalf
of
Ecology
Ottawa,
as
you
know,
as
you
may
know,
our
College
Ottawa,
a
grassroots
environmental
organization
working
across
a
range
of
issues,
and
when
we
look
at
the
issues
that
we
work
on
for
the
city,
we
we
classify
them
into
three
buckets.
We
have
active
transportation,
we
have
trees,
water
and
green
space
of
the
living
City.
B
And
finally,
we
have
action
on
climate
change
in
renewable
energy
and
when
I
think
about
development
charges
and
the
larger
conversations
around
how
our
city
is
built.
You
know
all
all
three
of
these
these
areas
are
covered.
You
know
we're
concerned
with.
You
know
the
urban
boundary
green
space
protection
transit,
climate
change.
B
All
these
things
are
obviously
interlinked
in
many
many
incredibly
complex
ways,
and
so
for
that
reason
we
were
interested
in
this
discussion
and
in
fact,
we
joined
with
healthy
transportation
coalition,
the
federation
of
citizens
associations
and
the
green
space
Alliance
of
Canada's
capital
to
submit
a
joint
letter
to
the
committee
for
your
consideration.
You
know
the
gist.
I.
Think
of
the
letter
is
pretty
clear
and
obviously
Trevor
spoke
a
lot
about
that
earlier.
B
B
But
there
are
a
lot
of
questions,
I
think
associated
with
the
letter
that
we
still
don't
have
answers
to
really
at
the
beginning
stages
of
this
conversation,
and
so
we
hope
this
continues
upon
review
and
so
there's
an
ask
at
the
end
about
about
opening
the
process
up
a
little
bit
more
so
I'll
continue
the
letter.
The
city
is
too
accommodating
to
the
development
industry
in
2015
forced
to
adjust
the
development
charges
because
of
a
change
in
legislation.
B
It
struck
a
deal
with
the
development
industry
to
apply
25%
discount
on
road
costs
and
the
lady
inclusion
of
new
transit
projects.
A
real
reduction
in
road
costs
did
not
materialize
and
there
was
significant
loss
in
DC
revenues
as
a
result,
any
delay
a
failure
to
include
the
real
cost,
comes
at
the
expense
of
the
property
taxpayer.
Who
has
to
make
up
the
difference
by
not
recognizing
that
growth
cost
within
areas
inside
the
Greenbelt
in
between
suburban
areas.
B
We've
identified
about
a
dozen
additional
questions
or
issues
which,
if
the
city
had
acted
more
transparently
and
had
held
proper
consultations
earlier,
could
have
been
discussed
or
clarified,
and
so
we
ask
that
the
city
commit
to
amending
the
2019
DC
bylaw
as
soon
as
the
transportation
and
infrastructure
master
plans
are
finalized,
presumably
in
2021
or
2022,
and
that
I
conduct
the
review
in
an
open
and
transparent
manner,
involving
all
stakeholders
and
using
plain
language.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
I
think
the
most
important
thing
to
recognize
right
now
is
is
that
that
decision
in
2015
is
reversed
in
this
new
bylaw
there
is
no
longer
a
deduction
at
25%.
It
was
the
first
thing
we
did,
and
this
is
something
we
did
indicate
in
our
community
consultations.
So
now
we
are
applying
the
maximum
charge.
K
We
can
under
law
that
we
feel
we
can
defend
to
recover
costs
and,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
that
what
we're
not
applying
the
costs-
we're
not
applying
are
those
statutory
deductions
that
we're
not
allowed
to
apply
so
I
can
give
some
assurances
and
I.
You
know
the
discussions
we've
had
with
the
development
community
are
only
really
in.
Are
you
really
going
to
build
this
during
this
period
of
time?
So,
therefore,
is
it
applicable
and
legal
to
apply
that
charge
at
this
period
of
time
and
also
the
issue
of
transition
and
on
the
transition
negotiations?
K
A
G
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
FCA,
the
Federation
of
citizens,
Association
and,
as
many
of
you
know,
we
are
a
growing
organization
supporting
neighborhoods
and
that's
really
our
mantra
supporting
neighborhoods
in
Ottawa,
and
we
have
this
conversation
regularly
with
staff.
It's
extremely
important
and
I
think
we
have
a
very
strong
agreement
on
that
regard.
So,
regarding
our
DC's
and
all
and
a
little
bit
about
fc8,
we
have
our
Planning
Group,
which
it
meets
monthly.
We
look
at
all
sorts
of
issues.
G
Last
night
we
met
looking
at
issues
around
bill,
108
we're
all
grappling
with
that
and
that
will
have
some
change
for
us.
We
also
pride
ourselves
in
collaborating
with
other
groups,
so
this
letter
going
forward
to
you,
which
is
coming
from
green
space,
Alliance
the
transportation
coalition
and
ourselves.
G
This
is
really
important,
an
ecology
Ottawa
so
that
we
have
partnered
with
common
issues
of
issues
of
concern
and
the
whole
notion
around.
This
is
the
fairness
we
realize
many
people
will
glaze
over
with
development
charges.
It
is
a
complicated
process
and
we
also
are
aware
that
there
is
through
the
city
a
training
program
on
this
whole
regard.
So
those
things
being
considered,
our
big
ask
is
really
looking
at
having
this
transparent
process
continue.
It
needs
to
be
brought
aboard
and
also
a
working
group.
So
we've
had
this
discussion
briefly
with
mr.
G
Willis
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
some
of
the
aspects
for
public
opportunity
who
are
consideration.
So
part
of
this
is
an
open
public
debate
that
would
include
whether
certain
capital
projects
are
a
cost
of
growth,
that
new
development
in
all
of
the
city
should
pay
for,
or
only
fall
on,
certain
parts
that
includes
arterial
roads,
etc
in
suburbs.
To
what
extent
certain
capital
projects
benefit
existing
settlements
to
what
extent
geographical
differences
in
the
cost
of
growth
should
be
recognized,
ie
laying
pipes
the
cost
in
the
East
southwest,
and
obviously
that
changes.
G
We
see
this
as
ongoing.
The
idea
of
having
the
discussion
with
the
city
involving
the
various
groups
is
really
important
to
us,
and
we
know
that
with
bill
108,
this
is
a
transition
and
an
opportunity
and
DC's
are
extremely
important
for
our
city.
So
can
we
have
a
working
group?
Can
we
move
in
that
direction
in
in
a
a
very
good
collaborative
fashion?
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Sheila
and
I
would
add
that
all
of
you
so
I
know
the
Trevor
was
involved
for
sure.
I
know
that
you
were
involved
in
beyond
2036
as
well,
so
you
know
I'm
always
looking
for
ideas.
Our
staff
are
always
Charmaine
is
the
queen
of
community
outreach.
If
you
have
other
ideas
in
fact,
I
am
interested
in
Trevor
what
you
were
talking
to
people
at
the
doors
about
okay,
because
not
everybody,
many
many
people
have
access
to
this.
A
G
C
Where
it's
now
proposed
that
the
term
a
marijuana
production
facility
in
the
zoning
bylaw
be
replaced
with
the
term
cannabis.
Production
facility
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
term
marijuana
production
facility
in
the
draft
development
charge
bylaw
be
replaced
with
cannabis
production
facility.
Okay,.
A
C
D
Chair
the
original
language
that
was
in
the
draft
bylaw
circulated
two
weeks
ago
required
that
for
someone
to
be
eligible
for
transition,
they
would
have
had
to
sign
the
site
plan
agreement
or
the
subdivision
agreement
by
June
June
28th.
This,
of
course,
will
create
a
pressure
for
agreements.
It
may
not
be
possible
to
achieve,
and
therefore,
staff
have
agreed
to
make
reference
to
the
site,
plan,
approval
or
subdivision
approval,
which
will
provide
a
little
bit
wider
scope
for
eligibility
for
transition
and.
K
Quickly,
we're
also
trying
to
address
the
surge
in
applications
in
our
Building
Code
services
group
that
would
be
created
by
that,
and
it's
also
a
matter
of
ease
of
administration.
This
is
a
far
easier
Clause
to
administer
and
as
I
indicated,
because
the
cost
of
transition
are
applied,
the
overall
cost
there
is
no
cost
to
taxpayers
with
making
this
change
and.
A
We're
also,
we
all
are
cognizant
of
the
pressure
that
our
building
services
people
are
going
to
be
under
with
regard
to
the
flooding
and
the
massive
amount
of
work.
I.
Think
I
forget
what
mr.
Bowden
said,
that
the
pressure
and
staffing
to
him
was
26
or
something
like
that
am
I,
remembering
right
as.
K
We
stand
as
of
a
report
I
read
yesterday.
Our
application
counts
up
26
percent
over
last
year
and
I
also
were
soon
going
to
be
in
an
emergency
response,
rebuilding
load
as
well
so
I
just
you
know,
we've
taken
a
lot
of
steps
in
the
last
year
to
it
policy
decisions
like
this
effect
on
the
delivery
of
service,
and
this
is
this:
it
eases
delivery
of
service.
A
L
A
I
You
just
a
question
on
transition
and
it
was
interesting
when
you
showed
the
graphic
on
the
the
spike
at
the
day,
change
for
when
the
fee
changes
happened.
Have
we
ever
reviewed
spreading
the
fee
changes
over
incrementally
across
the
year
to
drag
it
so
that
the
the
result
would
be
the
same
from
a
revenue
perspective,
but
it
would
ease
the
process
internally
and
presumably
for
the
industry
as
well.
I.
Think.
K
Chair
I
think
the
council
for
that
question.
In
fact,
that's
actually
what
we've
done
in
this
vial
off
for
the
very
first
time
in
the
past
we
drop
a
transition
date.
Everybody
would
know
when
it
would
be,
because
we
have
to
give
advance
notice
of
it
and
all
the
surge
would
happen.
What
we
did
is
we
divided
the
building
permit
into
low-rise.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Whereas
on
January
27th
2016,
City
Council
endorsed
at
the
lands
of
175
Main
Street,
the
former
all
blaze
property
scheduled
are
attached
and
the
former
rock.
With
there
be
a
schedule,
s
attached
would
be
removed
from
the
land
subject
to
the
park
parks
component
of
development
charges,
whereas
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
approved
the
modification
by
order
dated
February
17
2016,
whereas
through
an
inverting
modification,
was
not
carried
forward
into
the
draft
development
charges.
C
Bylaw,
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
draft
by
law
be
amended
by
including
the
following
provision
to
subsection
five:
seven:
five,
seven
in
respect
to
the
land
shown
in
schedule,
R
and
s
that
the
parts
development
component
of
the
development
charge
imposed
by
the
bylaws
all
not
be
payable
via
further
resolved,
that
the
vile
AB
be
further
amended
by
adding
schedules
R
and
s
attached
within
this
motion.
So.
A
Just
so
you
know,
I
mean
it
may
sound
to
people
in
the
urban
area
that
somebody's
going
to
get
really
lucky
here,
but
absolutely
it's.
They
have
the
same
sort
of
agreement
that
all
of
our
developers
now
have
in
the
suburban
areas,
where
they're
not
paying
for
a
development
charge
for
the
parks,
because
they're
actually
built
physik,
they're,
building
the
parks
and
paying
for
them
and
we're
Mb.
A
Consequently,
we're
getting
our
parks
built
a
lot
faster
because
of
that
so
Oh
councillor
Minard,
well
councillor
Moffitt's,
leaving
giving
you
room,
you
know,
but
just
as
an
aside,
maybe
miss
Stephanie.
Maybe
when
we
have
a
like
a
citywide
important
policy,
we
should
have
like
a
roving
mic
over
a
mic
over
on
that
table.
Go
ahead.
It's.
C
Good
idea,
thanks
thanks
very
much
chair
I,
just
have
a
quick
question
about
this.
I
I
think
I
understand
what
it's
trying
to
do
in
the
budget.
We
had
some
money,
though,
allocated
to
this
to
that
Park,
specifically,
it
was
I.
Think
1.2
million.
Can
you
just
relate
to
me
how
that
coincides
with,
with
with
this
I
think
that
money
was
there
as
a
result
of
the
the
previous
decision
in
2016
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
how
that
how
that
works?
Now
with
this
with
this
motion.
C
So
in
this
last
budget
we
had
we
had
some
money
allocated
to
to
that
Park
portion
within
those
old,
late,
Lance,
I
think
to
the
amount
of
1.2
million
dollars
and
I
just
want
to
know
the
relationship
between
the
motion.
That's
now
on
the
floor
and
that
and
that
money
that's
already
been
allocated
in
our
budget,
I
think
there's
some
relationship
there.
G
Madam
chair
I'm,
not
certain
if
he's
referring
to
the
2019
capital
budget
for
recreational
culture
and
facility
services,
or
if
it's
on
the
regional
highlights
document
that
was
circulated
along
with
the
budget.
The
regional
highlights
document
demonstrates
a
community
benefit
arriving
that
was
developer,
built
of
to
the
tune
of
1.2
million
dollars.
Okay,.
C
And
so,
and
then
just
clarification
on
what
this
motion
is
doing,
then
we're
saying
they're
not
going
to
be
paying
DC
charges
as
a
result
of
this
this
motion,
but
that
in
the
future
they
will
be
I
just
want
to
just
be
there.
What
were
what
is
trying
to
accomplish
and
that
maybe
want
a
question
for
mr.
Willis
I'll.
D
Start
off
Madame
chair
what
it
means
is
that,
as
as
Charter
said,
they
are
treated
as
the
same
way
as
Suburban
parks
and
in
the
Savera
in
the
outside
the
green
bar
area.
The
developers
do
not
pay
a
development
charge
for
neighborhood
or
community
parks;
they
do
pay
into
development
charge
for
district
parks.
C
Just
a
bit
of
a
typo,
whereas,
prior
to
the
2014
development
charges,
bylaw
and
non-residential
category
was
divided
into
industrial,
commercial,
institutional
and
retail
uses,
and
whereas
the
2014
bylaw
non-residential
category
was
divided
into
industrial
and
non
industrial
uses,
whereas
in
consultation
respect
to
the
2019
development
charges
review,
the
city
has
been
requested
to
review
whether
there
will
be
appropriate
to
return
to
the
pre.
2014
approach,
therefore
be
resolved
at
the
general
manager
planning,
an
infrastructure
and
economic
development
to
review
the
Caddy's
review.
C
A
I
Where,
as
part
of
the
dirt,
the
determination
of
development
charges
for
roads
and
related
services
and
determination
must
be
made
as
to
the
division
of
growth
between
residential
and
non-residential
uses,
and
whereas
this
split
may
be
affected
as
a
result
of
the
use
of
the
Confederation
line
and
whereas
the
city
is
conducting
a
review
of
the
transportation
master
plan
therefore
be
resolved.
The
general
manager
of
transportation
services
and
the
general
manager
planning,
infrastructure
and
economic
development
be
directed
as
part
of
the
review
of
the
TMP
beuter
directed
to
it
says.
I
A
J
J
The
motion
is
where,
as
the
report
details,
the
revised
development
charges
background
studies
and
bylaws
and
whereas
there
are
currently
no
methods
by
which
direct
development
charges
to
specific
urban
recreational
facilities
in
order
to
upgrade
all
the
facilities,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommended
to
council
to
direct
staff
to
review
methods
of
increasing
the
amount
of
development
charges
that
can
be
allotted
to
urban
recreational
facility
upgrades
or
expansion.
Taking
into
account
the
anticipated
legislation,
changes
as
a
result
of
bill
108,
so.
A
M
K
Chairman
may
I
answer
on
calcio
Flurry's
behalf
I,
think
that
would
be
a
reasonable
inclusion,
older
recreational
facilities
just
quickly
in
the
legislation
limits
us.
We
cannot
use
it
for
renewal
of
facilities,
but
if
we
can
calculate
that
there
is
growth
and
growth
is
driving
a
certain
need
in
these
areas-
and
this
is
all
linked
to
the
updated
recreation
master
planning
work
that
our
CFS
is
doing.
So
timing
is
very
good
for
this
motion.
That's
why
stuff
support
it.
A
As
an
example,
many
years
ago
now,
when
we
were
going
to
I
guess
when
I
was
the
chair
of
the
Ottawa
Public
Library,
we
they're
wrestling
with
development
charges
there
for
growth.
How
do
you
take
part
of
those
development
charges
and
assign
them
to
a
downtown
central
library?
Okay,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
a
next
step
with
we
worked
with
that
with
the
rules
and
their
rules
may
be
changing
so,
okay,
so
on
this
direction
until.
K
J
A
J
A
A
J
Whereas
the
report
details
the
revised
development
charges
scheduled
and
whereas
there
are
currently
no
initiatives
being
offered
as
part
of
this
development
charge
review
in
relation
to
increasing
available,
affordable
rental
units
and
whereas
it
is
important
to
increase
supply
of
rental
units
in
order
to
make
rentals
more
available
and
affordable,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
direct
staff
to
review
the
incentives
currently
available
to
encourage
the
construction
of
more
rental
units
and
report
back
to
planning
committee.
Taking
into
account
the
anticipated
legislation,
changes
as
a
result
of
bill,
108.
M
Madness
Monica's
not
this
is
simply,
as
you
know,
we've
set
out
a
goal
to
see
more
rental
build
and
we
have
a
low
vacancy
rate
right
now
in
our
cities,
so
giving
our
ourselves
tools
so
that
going
forward
staff
can
can
look
at
options.
So
again,
this
is
for
later
this
term
of
Council
as
the
DC's.
If
you
would
come
back,
that
stuff
would
consider
the
range
of
options
that
are
at
hand
so.
A
In
and
can
I
just
ask
you
to
comment
if
you
know
mr.
Willis
on
the
program
that
Central
Mortgage
and
Housing
initiated
a
couple
of
years
ago,
that
drew
interest
from
a
couple
of
the
developers
as
a
way
to
be
able
to
afford
more
rental
housing,
as
that
really
has
there
really
been
taken?
Has
that
really
been
taken
up
and
is
that
something
that
we
should
be
promoting
or
or
participating
in
in
some
fashion,
so.
K
Chair
it
on
that
question
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
to
assist
councillor
Floria
on
his
point.
We
understand
there
has
been
take
up
and
Ottawa
in
their
number
of
fairly
significant
projects
that
are
in
the
pipeline
right
now
that
are
relying
on
contribution
of
some
CMHC
and
there
primarily
are
located
in
the
core
where
that's
actually
happening
so
we're
encouraged.
Do
you
think
CMHC
could
do
more
to
make
sure
people
are
aware
of
what's
available,
some
developers
seem
to
be
more
aware
of
it
than
others.
K
On
the
issue
of
the
of
the
actual
motion
why
staff
are
prepared
to
do
this
is
that
it's
unlikely
we'll
come
back
with
a
different
development
charges
or
a
tree
like
this
I'm,
not
sure
we
can
do
that
under
the
law.
We
did
in
this
bylaw
slow
down
the
change
of
rate
from
old
by
law
to
new
by
law
deliberately
for
purpose-built
rental,
but
there
are
tools
through
community
improvement
plans
that
could
possibly
address
the
councillors
and
we'll
give
it
will
kind
of
give
counsel.
What
could
you
do?
K
F
To
piggy
back
to
mr.
willis,
just
to
piggyback
on
that
last
statement,
I
think
what
I
like
about
this
motion
is
the
word
incentives,
because
I
think
we,
the
committee,
need
to
be
aware
of
what
our
options
are.
So
is
it
more
of
an
information
report
or
you
actually
intercom,
with
recommendations
sheriff
I
I'd.
K
Like
to
consult
my
colleagues
and
in
community
social
services
are
responsible
for
the
tenure
homeless.
I
was
in
homelessness
plan
I'd
like
to
get
their
input
on
the
nature
of
this
I
think.
To
a
certain
extent,
there
may
be
an
interrelationship
between
that
effort
and
this,
and
so
perhaps
counselor
if
I
can
between
now
and
counsel,
consult
them.
I
can
answer
your
question
better
I'm.
F
F
H
A
A
So,
okay,
we'll
get
the
exit.
Is
that
give
that
right
down
yeah
the
couple
of
extra
words
were
adding
there:
okay,
just
as
an
introduction
to
the
next
two
motions:
first
one's
being
moved
by
myself.
So
when
I
go
to
move
that
I
have
to
step
out
of
the
seat,
but
I'm
actually
not
going
to
move,
but
will
vice
chair
Tierney
will
be
in
the
seat
before
the
time
I
introduce
it.
But
and
then
there's
one
by
from
councillor
Gower.
I
A
Didn't
have
it
then
do
we
haven't
no,
but
it's
not
the
only
ones
I'm,
just
speaking
specifically
to
area
rated.
So
you
know,
speaking
of
growth,
paying
for
growth
and
and
communities
being
built
and
or
not
being
able
to
be
built
with
in
areas
that
are
zoned
for
high-growth,
for
example,
in
Statesville
area
in
the
bar
Haven
area.
A
Okay,
you
have
that
community
has
actually
paid
extra
money
in
order
to
allow
what's
necessary.
You
miss
you,
I
can't
believe
I'm.
Looking
at
me
like
I'm
on
drugs
or
something
but
I'm
not
but
you've
been
out
and
you've
seen
that
bridge
you've
been
on
that
bridge
in
the
winter,
the
Green
Bank
bridge,
so
I'm
gonna
introduce
I'm
gonna
step
out
of
the.
This
is
that
this
is
the
reason
for
that
I'm,
not
moving
you're.
Knowing
you
know
the
chair,
so
I'm
going
to
introduce
my
motion.
A
A
Even
so,
whereas
developers
in
bar
Haven
South
have
expressed
an
interest
in
working
with
the
city
to
examine
alternative
funding
solutions,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
to
direct
the
general
manager,
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development
to
complete
a
background
study
and
bring
forward
an
amendment
to
the
DC
bylaw
to
introduce
an
area
specific
charge
for
bar
Haven
to
accelerate
the
Green
Bank
Road
alignment
and
related
works.
As
I
said.
C
A
K
So
counselor,
chair,
deputy
vice
chair
staff,
would
complete
the
background
study
to
identify
the
very
specific
it's
a
very
discrete
list
of
initiatives
to
be
brought
forward.
This
is
very
much
like
the
Riverside
South
option,
where
we
have
a
priority
list
of
transportation
improvements,
but
by
building
the
the
line
further
sooner
than
we
would
otherwise
we
are
paying
through
normal
development
charges,
what
we
would
normally
pay
and
the
developer
is
paying
to
advance
the
project
and
the
incremental
difference
between
those
two
and
the
treasurer
is
here
to
help
me.
K
If
I
get
this
wrong
and
they're
required
to
pick
up
those
charges
to
go
faster
than
we
would
do
it
if
we
got
to
it
on
our
own,
and
so
the
background
study
needs
to
be
created,
it
needs
to
be
brought
forward.
We
need
to
bring
a
bylaw
too
much
as
we
were
doing
today.
You
would
also
have
to
approve
that
bylaw,
so
timing-wise
we're
anticipating
trying
to
get
this
done
by
the
end
of
2019.
Okay,.
K
C
C
C
Similar
motions
similar
background
we're
expecting
between
now
and
twenty
thirty
one
over
ninety
five
hundred
new
housing
units
instead
fill
many
of
which
are
along
the
future
Robert
Grant
Avenue
corridor,
which
is
serves
not
only
studs
Ville
but
folks
from
kanata,
north
Canada,
South
and
also
from
Reno
Goldberg.
It
is
a
not
just
a
road
but
also
multi-use
pathway
in
the
future
transit
corridor
as
well.
K
K
C
A
C
A
E
J
J
The
Planning
Committee
recommend
that
council
that
the
draft
development
charge
bylaw
be
amended
such
that
dwelling
rooms,
subject
to
the
provisions
of
4,
subsection,
3
4
to
4
subsection,
7,
grandparenting
of
projects
for
site
plan,
approval,
nursing
homes
and
similar
development
buildings,
which
contain
three
or
more
residential
units
where
each
unit
has
a
single
entrance
and
contains
between
not
less
than
G,
but
no
more
than
four
bedrooms
pay.
The
rate
established
for
an
apart
with
less
than
two
bedrooms
well,.
A
G
D
Little
bit
is
it
defensible?
Is
it
legal?
Yes,
counsel
can
probably
enact
it?
Is
it
defensible?
In
my
opinion,
it
will
be
a
challenge,
so
the
what
has
been
done
and
I'll
try
to
give
some
numbers
around
this
it
may
help
what's
being
done
in
this
by
law
is,
as
mr.
Willis
indicated,
we're
going
from
charging
dwelling
rooms,
essentially
rooming
units
from
a
1/4,
the
single
rate,
which
is
about
seventy
eight
hundred
dollars
to
a
one
person
per
unit
rate,
which
is
around
nine
thousand
and
a
bit.
D
This
motion
would
make
the
rooming
units,
subject
to
the
less
than
two
bedroom
apartment
rate,
which
is
around
eleven
thousand
dollars.
So
a
further
two
thousand
dollar
increase,
or
so
the
rooming
unit
rate,
is
based
on
one
person
per
unit
staff,
believe
that
is
defensible
the
to
what
less
than
two
bedroom
rate
is
based
on
an
average
of
one
point,
four
persons
per
unit
in
staffs
view,
it
is
unlikely
that
you
would
see
one
a
mix
of
one
and
two
persons
in
rooming
units
you're
going
to
see
one
and
therefore
staff
have
concerns,
is
really.
M
Want
to
thank
staff
for
helping
me
draft
this
motion
and
maybe
I
can
set
out
the
context
for
for
colleagues,
we've
been
very
consistent
in
closing
closing
loopholes,
specifically
when
it,
when
it's
targeting
bunk
houses,
so
I
recognize
what
staff
have
done.
In
my
mind,
they've
gone
half
way.
We
really
need
to
close
that
incentive
loophole.
I'll
give
you
an
I'll
ask
mr.
mark
I
had
asked
yesterday
to
prepare
some
and
out
some
analysis
for
one
property
and
that's
two:
five,
six
Rideau
two
five
six
Reno
is
a
purpose-built,
an
accommodation
and
the
city.
M
It's
a
20-something
story,
building
of
which
we
should
have
collected
millions
of
dollars
more
than
we
could
in
DC's.
If
this
incentive
was
closed,
so
maybe
mr.
mark,
if
you
could
highlight
what
we
would
have
collected
if
it
was
dwelling
units
charges
versus
what
we
were
able
to
collect
in
the
end
with
the
rooming
units.
Madam.
D
Chair
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
finding
the
question
in
advance
so
that
it
didn't
have
to
be
done.
The
math
down
on
the
fly
so
under
the
raid
in
the
current
bylaw,
so
treating
it
as
a
nursing,
home
and
I'm
just
going
to
round
up
to
next-highest
hundreds
of
hundred
thousand,
it
would
have
been
4.4
million
under
the
rooming
rate
dwelling
rate
that
staff
are
proposing,
it
would
be
5.3
million,
and
if
it
was
charged
a
one-bedroom
apartment
rate,
it
would
be
6.9
million.
M
Want
to
make
sure
that
when
developers
aren't
using
it
as
an
incentive
to
go
to
what
I
believe
to
be
a
less
desirable
option,
we
want
that
they'd
be
one
bedrooms
or
bachelors
that
each
unit
has
the
washroom
in
their
kitchens
and
I'd
be
charged
appropriately,
and
that's
what
the
definition
of
dwelling
units
captures.
So
by
creating
a
financial
disproportion,
we
incentivize,
we
incentivize
a
weird
loophole.
So
in
this
context
you
have
a
20-story
rooming
house,
that's
being
built
on
Rideau
street
and
we're
trying
to
create
and
we're
getting
less
charges
for
it.
M
In
the
end,
it's
going
to
cost
us
more
money
from
bylaw
services
and
other
agencies
to
to
monitor
situations
there
and
again,
just
or
with
your
help.
Members
of
committee
we've
been
able
to
close
port
a
big
portion
of
the
loophole
for
bunk
houses.
I
want
to
remain
consistent
with
that
with
those
efforts
and.
A
Nobody
is
ever
going
to
be
able
to
say
that
you
haven't
pulled
out
every
tool
work
with
staff
to
the
ends
degree
in
order
to
make
your
community
better.
This
part
of
your
community,
absolutely
kudos
for
everything
that
you've
tried
and
and
for
the
team
for
being
creative
and
and
helping
you
with
that
counsellor
Brockington
then
counselor
leaper
question
is
that
DC's.
F
Are
collected,
though,
when
a
structure
is
to
be
built
or
renovated
and
I
in
my
experience
in
my
ward,
with
rooming
houses
or
bunks,
not
as
bad
as
councilor
flurry
is,
it
happens
well
after
a
home
has
been
built,
and
so,
if
you're
trying
to
amend
the
DC
to
make
it
better
reflect
what
the
actual
use
or
purposes
of
the
house
to
me.
Do
we
not
have
more
rooming
houses
and
bunk
houses
that
peer
after
the
effect
like
how
many
people
are
applying
to
build
a
rooming
house
or
a
bunk
house.
So.
K
Chair
first
of
all,
council
has
a
really
interesting
question.
If
you
look
at
the
trend
that
provisions
the
existing
Bala
and
the
new
one
which
both
deal
with
it,
if
you're
doing
a
conversion
of
a
one
use
to
another,
you
pay
the
difference
from
your
old
to
your
new
in
terms
of
what
your
use
is
in
terms
of
bedrooms
now.
K
Category
and
I
will
say
that
the
policy
side
of
my
brain
is
very
sympathetic
to
the
councillors
position
and
we
actually
did
move
in
this
bylaw
already
to
charge
a
higher
rate
in
what
you
have
before
you.
What
mr.
Marcus
pointed
out
is
we
just
I
would
like
to
give
the
councillor
what
he
is
asking
for.
We
just
fear
that
under
appeal,
we
will
have
a
trouble
defending
that,
but,
as
I
said,
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
position,
the
councillors
taking
okay.
A
F
Yeah
I'm
inclined
to
support
this,
but
the
economists
in
me
is
worried
about
the
cost
of
having
to
defend
this
repeatedly
versus
any
incremental
additional
revenue
the
corporation
might
receive
by
implementing
the
change
and
so
I
think.
The
right
thing
to
do
is
actually
do
this,
but
if
we
feel
that
you
know
we're
gonna
rack
up
huge
legal
bills
because
it's
legally
not
defensible,
then
I
do
think
that
has
to
be
weighed
into
our
decision-making
as
well.
J
M
To
me,
it's
less
so
it's
less
so
the
student
component,
it's
understanding
and
when
I
sat
down
with
mr.
Baker
and
at
Charmaine
and
Tim
mark
a
while
back
and
we
we
had
a
deep
dive
into.
Why
was
there
a
difference
between
dwelling
units
versus
rooming
units
and
if
you
dig
deep,
the
intent
of
the
ruling
units
and
mr.
mod
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
intent
is
really
focused
on
retirement
residence,
we're
in
a
retirement
residence,
the
the
senior
might
not
need
a
kitchen
in
each
of
their
units.
M
They
might
have
a
cafeteria,
for
example,
and
that's
where
the
clause
came
from
and
now
staffers
specifying
that
what's
happening,
though,
is
that
that
current
division
has
allowed
certain
developers
to
leverage
it
to
pay
less
DCs
and
to
make
the
unit's
less
less
flexible
by
not
offering
kitchens
by
not
offering
a
washroom
in
for
each
bedrooms
or
units.
If
you
will
so
well
I'm
just
trying
to
not
to
close
that
loophole,
I'm
not
trying
to
not
incentivize
its
main
purpose,
which
was
always
for
your
time
and
residences.
M
K
So
I
am
cognizant
of
a
potential
risk
and
that's
why
we
think
we
found
the
moderate
balance.
I,
don't
disagree
with
the
councillor
on
the
issues.
I
think
the
staff
recommendation
is
that
fine
balance
it's
legally
defendable.
It
is.
Doesn't
you
know
it's
about
a
25%
increase
as
opposed
to
what
the
counselor
would
propose,
which
is
substantially
more
than
that.
It
removes
the
improper
application
unfair
that
they
were
getting
away
with
paying
with
less
okay.
So
it
brings
it
fair.
K
E
The
motion-
that's
before
us
to
bump
it
up
to
25
percent
I,
think
there's
consensus
around
the
table
to
do
that.
Then
you'll
collect
that
off
of
anything
coming
forward.
Is
it
possible
because
we're
going
to
do
another
DC
bylaw
in
this
term?
Is
it
possible
to
take
a
look
at
these
units
and
see
if
they
are
one
person
per
unit
or
is
there
a
significant.
K
Can't
say
that
going
leading
up
to
this
bylaw,
our
research
and
forecasting
staff
did
drill
down
on
staff,
Canada
daughter
and
that's
how
we
get
that
typical
one
bedrooms
and
apartments
are
one
point
for
persons
per
unit.
That
is
actually
real
stats,
Canada
data,
which
is
because
you
tend
that
you
have
some
single
people
and
you
have
some
couples
living
in
those
apartments
and
that's
why
it
ends
up
as
one
point
for
the
bunk
houses
the
way
they're,
not
the
rooming
houses.
K
The
way
they're
physically
designed
these
rooms
aren't
big
enough
to
put
more
than
one
single
bed
in
them.
The
way
we're
seeing
in
the
building
permit
information
so
we'll
continue
to
monitor
that,
but
I
think
we're
founded
on
solid
logic
if
we're
under
appeal,
based
on
both
a
review
of
the
building
permit
information
we've
had
in
the
stats
Canada
data.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thanks.
A
I'm
gonna,
let
councillor
flurry
kind
of
wrap
up
on
it,
but
councillor
brockington
is
likely
going
to
move
a
referral
to
Council
just
so
that
you
have
a
chance
to
give
us
some
more
detail.
Based
on
all
the
questions
that
we've
had
between
now
and
then
and
I
have
a
question
on
the
22
story,
one
that
you
talked
about.
That's
basically
how
many
units
of
rooming
houses
if
it
was
if
it
was
two
had
a
different
definition
than
lumped
into
nursing
homes,
where
there's
a
presumption
that
you
all
go
to
a
cafeteria.
A
F
M
Just
on
a
wrap-up
I
want
to
thank
the
team
here
for
working
with
me
on
this
and
want
to
thank
committee
also
for
the
strong
consideration.
I
think
I
recognize
the
staff
position
was
always
it
was
already
a
you
know.
A
really
good
step.
I
just
want
to
close
that
incentive
completely
and
I
want
to
share
with
committee
that
we
don't
see
this
from
the
majority
of
large
and
small
developers.
M
This
is
a
small
niche
group
that
just
doesn't
want
to
pay
what
they
should
be
paying
in
DCs
and
in
the
NDF,
less
desirable
units
or
units
that
don't
offer
the
diversity
that
we'd
be
looking
for.
So
you
know
I
I
would
if
we
were
to
be
appealed.
I
would
certainly
support
the
today's
staff
position,
but
I
would
be
surprised
to
see
an
appeal
relating
to
this
and
I
did.
I
did
speak
to
members
of
global
who
are
supportive
of
closing
that
incentive
Dave.
A
C
A
B
J
Ok,
so
with
respect
to
we're
doing
a
lightning
round
of
development
charge,
bylaw
right
now
we're
applying
the
same
paradigm
as
to
the
existing
to
the
to
the
new
bylaws
we
have
for
the
previous
one.
What
is
the
timing
for
the
creation
of
a
newer
development
charge,
bylaw
that
takes
into
account
the
an
updated
transportation
master
plan,
an
infrastructure,
master
plan
bill,
108
changes,
etc,
etc.
So,
chair.
K
K
We
would
bring
forward
a
new
DC
bylaw
to
match,
particularly
the
TMP
update,
where
we
know
there
would
be
more
significant
changes
and
perhaps
others
and-
and
we
have
lots
of
time
between
now
and
then,
if
council
wishes
us
to
explore
certain
policy
alternatives
related
to
how
we
do
area
specific
versus
and
and
how
we
do
the
division
between
things.
There
won't
be
time
bill,
108
likely
will
force
us.
K
We
don't
have
all
the
details
yet
and
we'll
talk
about
this
more
in
a
minute,
we'll
likely
force
us
to
bring
an
amendment
to
this
adopted
by
law
before
that.
But
my
advice
to
council
would
be
we'll
bring
a
compliance
amendment
to
bring
it
forward,
but
let's
finish
the
TMP,
because
I
don't
think
or
opening
those
policy
questions
separate
from
the
TMP
and
other
elements
is
really
a
good
use
of
counsels.
Time
now,.
A
J
I
absolutely
agree,
one
of
the
so
obviously
for
the
last
several
years,
I've
been
asking
staff
to
take
a
look
at
you
know
some
geographic
specificity
to
the
bylaw.
That
is
different
from
what
we're
doing
right
now
to
carve
out.
Maybe
the
the
urban
core
from
the
urban
suburbs,
from
the
outer
suburbs,
from
from
the
rural
to
take
into
account
very
different
growth
rates.
Is
that
within
the
scope
of
of
a
second
DC
amendment,
not
including
the
compliance
so.
K
Chair
absolutely
can
be,
should
council
direct
us,
so
the
history
I
asked
mr.
Baker
for
a
bit
of
the
history.
This
current
arrangement
of
the
four
tiered
geographic
tiers
has
been
in
place
since
the
former
regional
municipality
bottom
Carlton's
development
tried
to
study
so
from
1999,
which
the
amalgamated
City
of
Ottawa
adopted
shortly
after
amalgamation
and
continued
on.
K
So,
given
that
it's
been
20
plus
years
in
operation
by
the
time
we
get
to
it,
if
council
wishes
us
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
I'm
sure
some
of
the
analysis
we
did
at
the
time
before
is
still
relevant
today
and
the
pros
and
cons
of
changing
it
are.
There
are
pros
and
there
are
cons,
and
we
could,
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
years,
bring
you
alternatives,
should
counsel
direct
us
to
do
so.
Will.
K
We
certainly
can
I
mean
one
of
the
differences
this
time
around.
Is
that
one
of
the
difficulty
with
this
process
is.
We
could
not
be
openly
consulting
on
this
process
until
after
the
new
council
was
elected,
sworn
in
and
and
the
like
were
required
to
not
consult
during
that
time
period.
So
we've
that's
why
it's
a
compressed
process.
It's
also
just
a
roll
over
bylaw
with
some
tweaks.
We
have
lots
of
runway
right
now
and
should
council
wish
and
desire
so
I.
K
J
That's
a
nice
segue
to
the
the
letter
that
I
think
we've
all
read
from
in
college:
Ottawa,
green
space,
Alliance
and
healthy
transportation
coalition,
seeking
a
more
transparent
or
more
open
consultation
process
and
I.
Think
certainly
I've
got
a
lot
of
sympathy
for
that.
We
need
to
balance
the
fact
that
DC's
are
extraordinarily
difficult
to
understand,
not
sure
that
every
counselor
will
understand
every
detail
of
the
dcs
that
were
approving
today
and
we
are
putting
ourselves
in
your
hands
to
some
degree
a
lot
of
statutory
constraints
on
what
can
be
done.
J
It's
it's,
not
a
pot
of
money
that
we
can
just
increase,
because
there
are
projects
that
we
want
to
pay
for,
there's
a
lot
of
studies
that
have
to
be
put
into
them.
But
how
can
we
make
the
consultation
process
richer
with
the
general
public
and
with
stakeholders
who
are
not
developers?
I
have
a
lot
of
sympathy
for
the
view
of
those
who
have
been
following
this
process
who
see
you
know
a
single
meeting
with
FCA
leadership
and
13
meetings
with
developers.
I,
don't
think
that
reflects
well
on
the
city.
J
We
have
heard
and
I've
seen
through
the
course
of
being
on
the
sponsors
group
for
the
for
the
DC
bylaw
amendments
that
there
is
discretion
it's
being
applied.
There
are
things
that
the
city
is
willing
to
consider
in
a
process
of
give-and-take
with
the
development
community,
particularly
as
we
try
to
seek
development
charges
by
law
that
isn't
going
to
be
appealed
and
I.
Think
that
that's
something.
A
A
A
Remember,
we
came
forward
so
on
this
one
great
recommendation,
certainly
that's
something
that
you
should
take
forward
and
have
a
primer
on
development
charges,
so
the
people
can
can
can
learn
if
that
makes
sense
and
if
there's
a
desire,
but
on
top
of
that
I
think
that
when
we
get
into
the
next
topic
the
bill
108
and
what
that
may
or
may
not
mean,
then
that's
going
to
be
a
discussion.
That
absolutely
is
going
to
be
a
public
discussion,
but.
K
Yeah,
just
really
quickly
after
we
got
the
letter,
I
was
I,
have
to
admit.
I
was
taken
aback
by
the
letter
when
we
got
it,
but
criticism
is
comes
with
the
territory
sometimes
and
iPhone
iPhone,
MS,
Perry,
right
away
and
said:
okay,
what
could
we
have
done
differently?
We
did
provide
the
the
meeting
that
we
did
have
with
them.
Mr.
Baker
responded
to
numerous
emails
with
follow-up
information
with
questions
that
came
forth,
so
it
was
more
than
one
connection
point
on
it.
We
had
the
information
online.
K
It
is
a
tough
topic,
so
the
conversation
I
had
with
MS
Perry,
which
was
really
useful
and
I'm
really
grateful
that
she
took
the
time
to
talk
to
me
about
it.
Is
we've
discussed
the
idea
of
FCA
assisting
us
to
set
up
a
group
very
much
as
you're
talking
about
we
already
have.
The
DC
primer
course
make
sure
people
have
a
chance
to
take
it.
Mr.
Hoshi
makes
a
really
good
point
about
bringing
in
some
groups
that
wouldn't
traditionally
participate
in
the
process
and
I've
been
miss.
K
Forgie
is
more
than
willing
to
sit
and
talk
with
him
and
others
about
how
to
add.
To
that
group
and
create
my
very
much
as
you
discuss
a
working
group
next
time,
we're
very
open
to
that
idea,
but
I
do
think
that
education
about
what
we
can
and
can't
do
is
is
fundamental
starting
point
because,
as
I
think
I
said
earlier,
the
biggest
surprise
to
me
when
I
started
to
work
on
this
file
was
how
little
room
we
had
for
creativity.
J
K
C
A
Right
so
on,
the
motion
moved
by
Councillor
vice
chair
tyranny
be
resolved
that,
pursuant
to
development
charges,
acts
of
section
12,
3
Planning
Committee
recommends
Council
that
a
further
public
meeting
is
not
necessary,
as
that
carry
okay
and
I.
Just
would
have
a
reminder
that
if
you
have
any
other
and
I'd
ask
somebody
I,
don't
know
whether
it
would
be
you
melody
to
reach
out
to
everybody
next
Friday.
A
We
would
like
to
have
motions,
if
there's
other
motions
coming
in
on
this
after
today's
discussion,
there
might
be
so,
let's
get
them
in,
so
that
staff
have
the
time
to
work
on
it,
because
what
was
really
helpful
today
is
the
fact
that,
for
example,
the
ones
you
moved
for
councillor
flurry
that
mr.
mark
mr.
Willis
Gary
Baker
miss
Semak
had
the
opportunity
to
participate.
Otherwise,
we
are,
you
know,
shooting
at
fish
in
the
barrel.
We
don't
have
that
information.
A
J
A
K
So
chair,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
have
a
quick
verbal
update
to
Committee
on
on
bill
108,
which
was
introduced
into
the
Ontario
legislature
last
Thursday.
This
is
a
verbal
update
that
will
be
followed
up
by
a
memo
to
Council
by
mr.
mark
and
legal
services.
To
give
you
further
information
on
this,
but
given
the
public
interest
into
relationship
to
some
of
the
ongoing
projects,
we
thought
it
prudent
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
today.
Bill
108
amends
15
different
acts,
but
mr.
K
mark
who,
as
he's
going
to
present
shortly,
is
going
to
focus
in
on
the
four
that
have
the
greatest
interest
to
us.
The
development
charges
Act
and
mr.
binning
from
Hempton
has
been
our
consultant
on
the
development
charges.
Viola
is
also
here
to
assist
with
answering
questions
where
they
had
to
change
as
the
development
charges
act.
It
affects
the
Local
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal
act,
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
the
Planning
Act.
K
This
is
very
early
days
with
this
new
legislation.
There's
a
lot
of
consultation.
The
province
is
probably
going
to
do
with
various
organizations
and
it
has
a
legislative
process
at
Ontario's
legislature
at
Queen's
Park.
Much
of
the
information
isn't
actually
in
the
legislation
as
we
have
it
today,
it
will
come
out
when
we
actually
get
the
draft
regulations
that
go
with
it
and
I
always
have
to
understand
that
the
bill
may
change
between
first
reading
and
ultimately
Royal
Assent
in
the
date
of
proclamation.
K
So
we
do
not
have
precise
timing
on
exactly
how
things
are
going
to
roll
out,
but
we
thought
it
prudent
to
raise
some
of
the
issues
to
you,
because
we
are
seeking
clarification
from
the
province
on
a
number
of
aspects
of
legislation
and
should
committee
have
questions
or
comments
today
that
might
inform
the
questions
were
asking
the
province
and
ultimately
it
should
council
wish
to
make
a
formal
submission
on
behalf
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
other
than
a
technical
submission
that
we
might
do
on
staff.
That
would
give
you
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
as
mr.,
well
that
mr.
Willis
said
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
to
changes
to
the
development
charges
act,
the
Local
Planning,
Appeal,
Tribunal
act,
the
interior,
Heritage
Act
and
the
Planning
Act
dealing
with
the
development
charges
act
as
it
was
touched
on
in
the
presentation
on
the
city's
new
proposed
bylaw.
D
It's
proposed
that
the
soft
services
would
no
longer
be
able
to
be
covered
through
the
imposition
of
development
charges,
and
so
these
would
include
parks,
development,
recreational
facilities,
libraries,
corporate
studies,
which
would
be
the
development
charge,
background
study,
paramedic
services
and
affordable
housing.
A
second
major
change
in
the
development
charges
act
is
with
respect
to
the
timing
of
the
payment
of
development
charges.
At
this
point
in
the
city,
development
charges
are
paid
at
the
time
the
first
building
permit
is
obtained
in
respect
to
the
development.
D
There
is
a
exception
for
strong
order
services
in
area
specific
areas.
They
are
paid
by
people
who
don't
front-end
the
service
at
the
time
they
register
the
subdivision
agreement
under
the
proposed
legislation
for
five
types
of
development.
The
payment
would
be
on
a
six
payment
basis,
the
first
one
being
with
the
earlier
of
the
issuance
of
the
building
permit
or
occupancy
and
then
on
an
annual
basis
thereafter,
and
those
five
types
of
development
are
rental,
housing,
institutional,
industrial,
commercial
and
nonprofit.
D
If
a
development
were
to
change
from
being
one
of
these
to
not
one
of
these,
then
they
would
have
to
pay
than
a
full
development
charges
at
that
time
immediately.
A
third
change
under
development
charges
act
is
the
determination
of
the
amount
of
the
development
charge.
So
right
now
again,
the
development
charge
is
the
amount,
the
rate
that
you
pay
is
determined
as
of
the
date
that
the
building
permit
is
issued.
So
when
mr.
Willer
showed
you
that
chart,
you
saw
in
nineteen
twenty
eighteen
that
big
peak
in
July
of
2018.
Why
did
that
happen?
D
It
happened
because
the
rates
were
going
up
by
six
point,
two
percent
on
August
1,
and
so
everybody
wanted
to
get
their
building
permit
before
August
1.
Under
the
proposed
legislation
it
will
change
and
instead
the
default
will
be
at
the
time
the
development
got
site
plan
at
the
time.
The
developer
applied
for
site
plan
approval,
so
that
would
be
the
date
that
the
developers,
the
rate
the
developer,
would
have
to
pay
would
be
determined.
D
If
it's
not
a
development,
that's
subject
to
site
plan
approval,
then
it
would
be
the
hriday
t'
that
the
developer
applied
for
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
permit
the
development,
and
if
that
didn't
apply,
then
you
default
back
to
the
building
permit
date
now,
site
plan
applications
and
zoning
applications
can
predate
a
development
by
a
significant
amount
of
time.
Kids,
it's
all
dependent
on
when
the
developer
wishes
to
move
forward
with
his
or
her
development.
D
D
What's
a
two-stage
process,
and
so
the
first
stage
would
be
a
hearing
completely
on
a
written
record
which
would
look
at
whether
or
not
what
was
proposed
was
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
in
conformity
with
the
Official
Plan,
and
then,
if
the
tribunal
determined
that
that
misspelling
acted
in
a
manner
contrary
to
those
two,
then
it
would
come
back
to
the
municipality.
It
would
be
entitled
to
make
another
decision
and
then
that
decision
would
be
subject
to
the
normal
process
that
people
were
familiar
with
in
front
of
the
intera
municipal
board.
D
This
act
does
away
with
the
two-stage
process.
One
would
simply
be
going
back
to
having
the
one
hearing
that,
if
n
have
you've
ever
seen,
Ontario
Municipal,
Board
hearing
you'd
be
familiar
with.
The
Act
does,
however,
make
other
changes
with
respect
to
the
local
planning,
an
appeal
tribunal
act.
It
permits
the
tribunal
to
require
mandatory
mediation
right
now,
any
party
just
say:
I,
don't
want
to
talk.
I
don't
want
to
have
mediation,
as
is
the
case
with
the
courts.
We're
mandatory
mediation
is
required.
The
tribunal
could
require
it
moving
forward.
D
It
expressly
provides
that
the
tribunal
may
limit
examination
or
cross-examination
of
a
witness.
It's
a
driver.
You
know
feels
that
the
lawyer
has
mined
the
ground
sufficiently.
The
tribunal
can
tell
the
lawyer
to
move
on.
It
continues
to
provide
that
case.
Management
conference
is
for
official
plan.
Zoning
and
certain
subdivision
appeals
would
be
mandatory
under
the
former
OMB
process
and
there
was
no
hard
and
fast
rule,
but
if
you
had
a
hearing
that
was
likely
to
last
more
than
five
days,
you
would
have
a
pre-hearing
conference.
D
This
act
will
continue
to
require,
as
did
the
first
l-pad
Act,
that
for
any
hearing,
you'd
first
have
to
have
a
case
management
conference.
Bring
the
parties
together,
discuss
mediation,
look
at
what
the
issues
are
before
scheduling
the
hearing
and
then
finally,
and
eliminates
the
ability
of
the
tribunal
to
refer
the
matter
to
divisional
court
in
order
to
receive
the
opinion
of
a
court.
So
right
now
the
local
planning
an
appeal
tribunal
can
and
the
OMB
could
before
it.
D
What
bill
108
foresees
is
counsel
would
make
a
decision
to
add
them
to
the
register.
Then
we
would
give
notice
and
then
they
could
come
forward
and
object,
so
the
city
may
yet
well
not
may
well
have
to,
and
these
consider
revisions
to
its
procedures
in
light
of
that
change,
I
would
expect,
but
I'll
just
go
through
the
designation
process
anyway,
I
would
select.
The
most
members
of
committee
are
familiar
with.
D
There's
two
types
of
Heritage
designations:
there's
a
part
for
designation
for
individual
buildings
and
there's
a
part,
five
designation
for
a
district,
and
if
you
want,
if
the
municipality
wants
to
designate
a
district,
then
it's
always
had
to
go
to
the
OMB
or
now
Al
bad.
If
that
designation
is
appealed,
however,
for
part
four
designations
of
individual
buildings,
the
process
was
that
the
city
would
make
a
determination.
D
A
bylaw
would
be
adopted
if
council
concurred
and
then
someone
could
object
and
if
they
objected
it
went
to
a
body
called
the
conservation,
Review
Board
and
the
conservation
Review
Board
would
make
a
recommendation,
but
it
would
be
councils
final
say
as
to
whether
or
not
the
designation
was
opposed.
The
same
process
was
true
for
a
repeal
of
a
part
for
designation
or
an
alteration
to
a
part
for
building
the
municipality
would
make
a
decision,
someone
objective,
it
would
go
to
the
conservation
Review
Board,
but
it
was
a
recommendation
only.
D
It
was
not
binding
on
council.
The
proposed
legislation
now
treats
part
for
buildings
similar
to
the
part
five
process
in
that
they
can
an
individual
can
apply
and
if
council
makes
a
determination,
refuses
the
application
that
individual
can
appeal
to
local
planning,
Appeal
Tribunal
and
the
Local
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal
can
make
a
binding
decision.
D
Another
small
change
to
both
part
4
part
5
bounders,
an
application
has
to
be
submitted
and
the
clock
starts,
but
at
the
90-day
clock
that
members
of
committee
will
be
familiar
with,
but
there's
no
specificity
as
to
when
the
clock
starts,
and
so
there's
some
discretion
in
municipality.
To
say
whether
or
not
an
application
is
complete.
The
legislation
says
you
can
have
60
days
and
you
can
always
determine
that
is
completed
earlier.
D
But
if
you
haven't
issued
a
statement
of
completeness
by
the
end
of
date,
60
its
deemed
complete
and
the
90-day
clock
starts
with
respect
to
the
Planning
Act
as
you've.
No
doubt
heard
it
reduces
the
time
frame
for
OPA
s
and
Zoning
from
210
and
120
to
150
days
at
90
days
respectively.
What
does
reducing
the
time
frame
mean?
It
means
someone
can
appeal
it
and
get
into
a
queue
for
hearings
at
the
Local
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
D
One
other
change
that
is
made
that
will
affect
some
of
your
community.
All
of
your
community
members
who
appear
at
hearings
as
participants
as
opposed
to
parties.
Very
briefly,
a
party
is
someone
who
takes
a
full
role,
can
ask
questions,
can
make
submissions
and
if
they
misbehave
can
be
subject
to
costs.
Participants
are
someone
who,
in
the
past,
were
able
to
show
up
at
harried,
make
their
statement
be
subject
to
cross-examination,
but
that
would
be
their
only
role,
but
they
were
allowed
to
come
forward
and
make
an
oral
statement.
D
The
board
the
legislation
now
provides
that
they
can
only
make
a
written
statement.
There
is
no
opportunity
for
participants
to
come
forward
and
give
their
evidence.
It
does
allow
the
tribunal
to
call
them
to
the
stand
if
the
tribunal
sees
fit,
but
that
tribunal
decides
it
doesn't
want
to
hear
from
them.
There's
no
opportunity
for
participants
to
give
oral
evidence
in
front
of
it.
D
A
big
change
with
which
I
suspect
you
all
have
heard
is
that
the
Planning
Act
Amendments,
together
with
the
development
charge,
Act
Amendments,
do
away
with,
as
I
already
mentioned,
development
charges
for
soft
services.
It
also
does
away
with
section
37
benefits,
so
those
are
amounts
paid
amounts
or
other
benefits
of
services
provided
to
the
municipality
in
return
for
greater
height
or
density
at
the
development,
and
it
also
does
away
with
cash
in
lieu
of
parkland.
D
There
is
no
opportunity
on
the
part
of
the
municipality
to
get
land
under
site
plan
approval,
it's
the
opportunity
to
get
cash
either,
but
that's
support
and
with
respect
to
subdivisions.
It
also
will
have
a,
in
my
opinion,
significant
impact,
because
if
the
municipality
adopts
the
community
benefits,
bylaw
and
I'll
come
in
a
moment
to
why
why
I
expect
miss
Pawnee
will
want
to.
D
Then
you
cannot
take
land
from
a
subdivision
with
respect
to
parkland,
and
that
is
a
significant
change
and
I
heard
to
me
that
that's
going
to
provide
problems
for
planning
staff
and
for
mr.
Jennings
department.
So
that's
a
matter
that
that
staff
are
going
to
have
to
turn
their
minds
to
so
the
community
benefits
charge
includes
soft
services
under
the
development
charges.
Act
section
37
benefits
in
cash
in
lieu
of
parkland
and
the
community
benefits
charge
will
be
determined
as
a
yet
to
be
defined.
Thank
you.
Very
much.
D
Will
be
based
on
a
process
where
a
number
of
appraisers
are
involved
and
if
the
appraisal
for
the
city
prazer
for
the
city
and
the
appraiser
for
the
developer
category,
then
there
would
be
a
roster
of
appraisals
who
would
then
come
forward
with
the
value.
So
a
very
key
question
will
be
what
will
be
the
value?
D
What
will
be
the
percentage
of
the
volume
of
land
that
the
municipality
is
entitled
to,
and
that
also
will
be
determined
by
regulations
and,
finally,
with
respect
to
moving
from
where
we
are
today
to
where
we
would
have
to
be
under
bill
108?
Well,
the
first
thing
is:
we
depend
on
the
final
language
of
the
act,
of
course.
Secondly,
it'll
depend
on
how
much
time
the
province
allows
to
us
and
again
that's
going
to
be
specified
in
the
regulations.
So
we
don't
know
with
respect
to
the
financial
impact.
D
The
treasurer
provided
to
me
that
the
city
presently
receives
about
thirty
four
million
dollars
per
year
in
soft
services,
cash
in
lieu
of
parkland
and
section
37
benefits
so
with
respect
to
2018.
That
is
the
amount
of
monies
that
are
at
issue.
Finally,
madam
chair,
the
bill
is
up
on
the
environmental
registry
and
the
comment
period
is
open
until
midnight
on
June
the
1st.
Thank
you
very
much,
meaning
that.
A
I
You
very
much
madam
chair
I've
got
a
number
of
questions,
so
please
apologize
is
not
well
thought
out
and
ordered
cohesively,
the
the
spreading
of
the
payment
of
development
charges
over
time.
You
made
some
inference
to
that
period
of
time
being
determined
by
regulation.
Have
they
speculated
what
that
would
be,
or
did
I
miss
here
that
I.
I
K
I
K
So
chair
chair,
if
I
may
I
mean
trying
to
offer
counsel
some
advice
at
this
point
and
point
there
are
a
number
of
matters
we're
going
to
seek
technical
clarifications
on
at
a
staff
level.
There
are
some
significant
financial
implications
to
the
city
with
respect
to
the
changes
the
development
charges
are
cash
and
low
and
the
like.
There
are
certain
individual
little
provisions
in
here.
For
example,
this
community
benefit
clause
that
has
it
counsel,
is
required
to
spend
that
money.
Sixty
percent
of
that
money
within
the
year.
K
A
Okay,
counselor
leaper
before
before
they
kind
of
just
say:
counselor
Brockington,
as
our
representative
at
emo,
I'm
sure
you've
got
your
ear
to
the
ground
on
what's
happening.
There
certainly
I've
seen
some
correspondents
from
some
other
municipalities,
some
mayors
and
that
that
are
reaching
out
saying
we've
got
to
all
get
together.
I'll
come
to
you
after
councillor,
leaper.
F
J
The
we
really
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
right
now
about
that
community
benefit
fund,
and
that's
that's
a
critical
one
to
understand
what
what
is
our
timeline
for
understanding
that
better?
Do
you
expect
answers
in
time
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
meaningful
comment
to
Queen's
Park
by
June?
First
chair.
K
We
don't
know
like
we
do,
but
we
do
believe
that
it
may
be
likely
to
be
more
information
and
the
regular
I've
seen
the
draft
regulations
I've
not
yet
been
contacted
by
anyone
from
the
Ministry
of
Municipal,
Affairs
and
housing
to
provide
more
technical
briefing
on
this
awesome.
We
we
just
don't
have
additional
information
to
give
you
the.
D
J
Right:
okay,
so
it's
either
parts
or
okay.
The
one
question
that
I
do
think
is
urgent
is:
do
we
consider
that
the
change
is
108?
Does
that
affect
our
current
balances
and
CIL
accounts
and
I
mean
I've,
got
I've
been
saving
for
three
years?
I've
got
2.6
million
dollars
in
a
CIL
account
to
build
a
new
field
house.
Is
that
still
going
to
be
safe?
If
it
takes
me
another
year
to
build
this
I.
K
Just
a
checking
with
the
treasure
we
believe
so
far
from
what
we've
read
your
your
intact,
you
will
be
able
to
have
them.
You
guys
won't
be
collecting
new
and
money
and
beyond
that
now,
on
the
development
charges
accounts,
though
there
will
be
an
implication
that
any
accounts
in
deficit
that
are
no
longer
applicable
because
some
accounts,
you
know,
depending
on
our
spend
radar
in
deficit
one
year,
because
we
expect
to
get
it
back
over
the
life
of
the
pile
aware
it's
in
totality.
J
You
think
it
is
fair
to
characterize
the
community
benefit
charge.
Is
it?
Is
it
going
to
remove
the
individual
counselors
influence
in
how
things
are
spent
so
section
37
requires
counselor
occurrence.
Parkland
cash
in
lieu
of
park
land
requires
counselor
occurrence.
Do
you
have
any
idea
of
whether
that
is
going
to
continue
to
be
the
case
moving
forward,
so.
K
Chair
I
mean
right
now
the
province
sets.
What
we
can
collect
council
sets
the.
How
do
we
spend
it?
Okay,
so
I
don't
see
anything
in
the
legislation
that
would
be
different
than
that
other
than
that
cause
I
referred
to
about
a
time
limit,
which
I
would
hope
we
would.
We,
as
the
city
would
ask
the
province
to
delete
that
particular
line
from
the
bill.
Okay,
because
I,
don't
it's
my
professional
opinion
that
that's
a
choice
that
should
rest
with
council,
not
with
Queens
Park,
yep
agreed.
J
K
Further
information
from
what
we
initially
had
heard
through
some
media
reports
and
clarified
it,
you
know
a
province
today
has
the
power
to
do
that.
Okay,
the
Minister
today
could
impose
a
minister's
zoning
order
on
any
place
anywhere
in
Ontario
I'm,
going
to
impose
it,
and
the
minister
has
used
that
power
in
very
specific
instances.
What
the
minute
what
the
bill
does
allow
is.
K
It
doesn't
indicate
what
those
criteria
will
be
okay,
so
we
believe,
based
on
the
information
we
had
before
provinces
signaled
very
strongly
through
that,
their
their
policy
paper
regulated
relating
to
creating
more
housing
that
they
are
want,
municipalities
to
do
what
Ottawa
is
already
doing,
which
is
where
you're
investing
billions
of
dollars
in
transit
to
up
so
inappropriately
in
the
areas
of
transit
stations.
We
believe
the
province
has
signaled
indirectly,
an
intent
that
perhaps
this
is
what
they
would
use
that
for.
K
Cheer
me
because
this
is
happening
so
quickly
because
of
the
June
1st
deadline,
may
I
suggest
with
committees
indulgence
that
if
individual
councillors
have
points
they
wish
us
to
make
to
send
them
to
me,
we
will
collate
them
and
form
a
draft
response,
as
we
did
in
some
of
the
other
pieces
earlier
based
on
questions
or
comments
and
then
perhaps
bring
it
back
on
the
24th
meeting.
Is
that
correct,
22nd
23rd
meeting
in
a
consolidated
through
a
night
planning
will
do
an
IP
D
document
to
list
what
we
think.
J
K
A
K
A
A
stop
or
trying
to
with
all
due
respect.
Okay,
then
we'll
have
like
a
hodgepodge
of
a
mess.
Okay,
we
can't
do
it
that
way.
We
have
to
I
think
that
we're
gonna
look
at
if
we
have
a
position
that
we
want
to
put
forward.
If
we
have
comments,
we
want
to
make
that
it
should,
if
our
best
opportunities
to
go
through
planning
and
have
the
planning
committee
vote
and
have
that
go
forward,
is
far
better
than
to
have
something
where
people
are
adding
an
item
to
we're.
A
Not
having
item
notice,
emotion,
you
know,
suspend
the
rules.
Let's
let's
vote
on
this.
Well
then
there's
when
we
climb
on
from
everybody
all
over
it.
It's
gonna
be
organized
chaos
right.
It
has
to
be
organized
chaos
as
opposed
to
unorganized
chaos,
which
I
think
it
would
be
so
I
would
suggest
that
perhaps
what
we
do
and
Andrea
Gay
has
just
had
some
workshops
and
stuff
that
she's
run
on
development
charges
may
be
an
opportunity
for
all
members
of
council
to
participate.
A
K
K
May
have
build
on
your
idea
because
I
think,
would
you
just
about
committee's
direction
here
and
I,
not
challenging
what
the
chair
said.
Perhaps
if
we
arrange
a
technical
briefing
for
any
counselor
who
wishes
to
attend
between
now
and
that
planning
committee
meeting,
so
they
can
feed
up
feed
us
questions?
We
bring
that
motion
to
planning
committee
council,
pre,
authorizes
planning
committee
to
to
endorse
the
position
and
therefore
we
would
all
counselors
would
have
the
opportunity
to
discuss
this
with
staff.
So
we
know
any
counselor
who
has
an
interest
if.
A
It's
a
technical
briefing,
you
know
that
then
it
probably
will
be
the
way
we
do
technical
briefings
and
if
the
the
media
are
there,
the
media
are
there,
I
mean
if
that's
the
way
we
decide
to
go.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
or
other
choices.
We
could
ask
for
a
delay
because
we
don't
have
the
luxury
of
having
enough
council
meetings
to
have
the
opportunity
to
have
a
fulsome
discussion
or
even
like
a
partially
closed
limb,
to
ask
for
a
delayed
for
until
the
June,
the
whatever
council
meeting.
It
is
June
the
anybody.
K
A
Because
we
need
to
have,
we
need
to
have
the
opportunity
to
have
a
full
discussion
with
all
colleagues
and
councilor
yeah
I
mean
it's
not
and
look
at
a
lot
of
what
we're
gonna
put
forward.
He's
going
to
be
questions
right.
A
lot
of
this
gonna,
be
we
just
don't
know
counselor
bleh
and
then
councillor
Rakatan
thinks.
I
K
D
Your
choice,
still
madam
chair
as
I,
understand
knowledge
there's
a
maximum,
and
if
you
wanted
in
certain
areas,
you
want
to
charge
less
than
the
maximum
in
the
abstract.
I
think
you'll
probably
have
the
right
to
do
so,
but
you'll
be
giving
up
revenue.
You
will
be
able
to
balance
it
off.
If
you
say,
if
there's
one
area
but
for
whatever
reason,
you
believe
should
should
pay
more
and
another
area
should
pay
less
you'll
be
caught
by
the
maximum,
so
just
will
be
lost
revenue
to
the
city
and.
K
I
K
I
You
know
III
think
we
need
to
articulate
and
all
of
us
who
you
know,
we
all
represent
different
parts
of
the
city
that
I
had
of
different
needs
and
and
different
forms
of
development,
but
and
I,
don't
pretend
to
speak
to
areas
of
the
city
that
are
denser
than
Orleans
and
Cumberland,
but
this
will
really
make
it
impossible
to
have
a
community
park
or
a
district
park,
or
certainly
not
one.
That
comes
along
near
the
time
of
completion
of
the
subdivision.
I
And
so
all
the
strides
we've
made
to
get
parks
built
relatively
close
to
when
people
move
in
will
have
been
eliminated.
We're
going
to
go
back
to
waiting
a
decade.
You
pay
a
premium
to
buy
a
park
by
the
time
the
parks
built.
Your
kids
are
in
university
and
you
don't
want
to
be
to
be
sought
a
parking
more
because
they're
loud
and
the.
H
K
Had
the
same
question
from
another
councillor,
who
is
no
longer
in
the
room
earlier
this
morning,
related
to
another
such
entacle
situation
in
another
part
of
the
city,
my
concern
is
with
the
provision
in
the
legislation
that
says
we
have
to
spend
60%
of
the
money
within
one
year.
That
would
mean
we
could
not
use
these
for
large
projects,
Lutton
that
where
we
normally
take
10
years
to
raise
the
money,
but.
I
Also,
we
need
to
use
this
money
to
buy
and
right,
whereas
today
we're
given
the
land
as
through
the
subdivision
process,
correct,
that's,
huge
and
and
Millennium
Park
is
a
50
acre
park
inside
the
urban
area.
50
minutes
you
know
at
300
grand
acre
you're
talking
about
you,
know:
150
anyways,
fifty
million
dollars
just
for
the
land.
That's
insane!
Sorry,
okay,.
A
But
but
this
isn't
the
final
right,
they're
tossing
it
out
through
just
like
other
things
that
they've
done
they've
tossed
it
out,
people
are
providing
input
and
they're
making
changes.
I
fully
expect
that
that's
what's
going
to
happen
here
too.
You
know
I,
just
think
that
we
need
to
do
our
due
diligence
and
we're
going
to
have
that
opportunity,
because
we're
going
to
ask.
Are
you
going
to
ask
for
the
extension
mr.
willis
chera.
K
A
C
C
Piggybacking
on
their
advocacy
on
this,
because,
obviously
they're
they're
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
on
this
I
know
Casa
brockington
being
the
rep
point
a
mo.
Maybe
that's
what
you
were
gonna
raise,
but
I
certainly
just
wanted
to
say:
I
know
that
they're
taking
action
now
and
what
what
are
we
doing
to
piggyback
on
that?
That
may
be
our
best
course
of
action
here
today
mo
to
utilize.
Well,.
A
F
This
will
be
one
of
them
and
I
highly
suggest
that
the
city
do
send
in
comments
on
this
and
other
matters,
a
mo
will
be
commenting.
But
of
course,
let's
not
exclusively
expect
a
mo
to
comment
and
everything
I
think
for
legislative
changes
that
are
being
proposed,
the
more
voices
they
hear.
The
better
is
that
what
has
swayed
some
proposals
thus
far
is
the
sheer
volume
of
pushback
from
the
public
and
mo
will
be
pushing
back
and
providing
comments,
but
certainly
the
city
of
OTO
and
others
need
to
speak
up
as
well.
F
A
K
To
introduce
mr.
Craig
bending
from
hem
sin',
who
is
our
consultant
on
development
charges,
does
eval.
You
know
well
over
half
the
developing
charges
bylaws
for
municipalities
in
Ontario.
Okay,
I
have
him
here
because
he
like
us
have
been
following
the
legislative
changes
he's
been
on.
Some
calls
with
the
province
related
to
this
Ministry
of
Finance,
as
I
said,
he's
been
providing
us
some
insight
to
what
he's
heard
so
far.
But
again,
there
are
not
a
lot
of
details
and
all
these
instances.
A
If
you
will
their
information
through
you,
so
that
your
staff
can
make
comments
on
it
that,
because
we
are
the
largest
municipality
and
a
MoU
and
I
would
be
very
interested
in
what's
happening
in
Toronto.
What
there's?
What
John
Tory
and
his
group
are
saying
as
well?
Okay,
so
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
and-
and
you
know,
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
it
through
email
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
chair.
K
Merritt,
with
your
indulgence
of
my
suggestion,
is:
if
individual
councillors
have
thoughts
or
questions
you
can
send
them
to
me
directly.
We
will
arrange
a
technical
briefing
based
on
the
information
we
know
to
date,
which
would
assist
any
councillors
to
again
formulate
their
questions.
We
will
do
a
consolidation
and
bring
that
back
to
planning
committee.
We
will
notify
the
province
that
we
will
be
late,
because
we
want
counsels
endorsement
of
our
position.
We
will
provide
that
information
anything
available
by
the
time.
Counselor
Brockington
goes
to
a
memo.