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Planning Committee – 11 December 2020 – live meeting stream.
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
B
A
D
E
F
A
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
two
three
and
four
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
A
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council
on
december
9th,
please
that's
not
right.
Prior
to
their
consideration
january.
C
A
A
This
is
our
last
planning
committee
meeting
of
2020
and
before
we
go
through
the
consent
agenda,
I
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
year
we've
just
been
through.
As
is
that
my
usual
habit,
I
look
back
through
the
notes
I
prepared
for
that.
First
meeting
of
2020
and
back
in
january,
we
had
big
plans
with
plenty
of
major
policy
pieces
slated
to
come
before
us.
Obviously,
some
of
those
got
delayed
as
we
adjusted
to
this
pandemic
and
staff
shifted
focus
to
covert
related
matters.
A
Given
how
much
chaos
the
pandemic
has
caused
that
level
of
productivity
was
never
a
certainty.
No
one
expected
city
council
and
its
standing
committees
would
all
be
sidelined
quite
so
effectively
in
the
spring,
and
I
have
to
say
if
we
didn't
have
miss
stephanie,
as
our
committee
coordinator,
we
might
have
had
to
push
a
lot
more
off
our
plate.
In
fact,
you
know
you
will
remember
those
of
you
yeah,
there's
the
cheering
section
from
counselor
leaper.
A
But
honestly,
like
you
were
a
pioneer
melody,
I
mean
you
figured
out
zoom
and
how
it
could
work,
and
I
don't
think
that
you
got
enough
credit
for
that,
because
if
we
were
in
ontario
we
were
the
only
large
municipality
or
even
municipality
that
continued
to
meet
and
to
take
on
such
challenging
subjects
like,
for
example,
the
meeting
that
we
had
the
three-day
meeting
that
we
had
back
in.
When
was
that
april?
A
A
A
Yeah
and
consider
yourself
having
a
little
plaque
that
says
that
now
from
all
of
us-
and
so
she
and
the
other
coordinators
in
the
clerk's
office,
have
done
an
incredible
job,
getting
us
back
on
track.
I
know
these
virtual
meetings
have
required
a
lot
of
hard
work,
but
our
committee
and
all
of
council
really
owes
you
a
huge
thank
you
and,
and
your
team
we've
also
stayed
on
course
because
of
the
continued
efforts
of
city
planning
staff
who
have
worked
tirelessly
to
prepare
all
the
reports
we've
considered
this
year.
A
That's
no
small
feat:
we've
moved
a
lot
of
key
pieces
forward.
We
set
the
groundwork
for
the
city's
growth
management
strategy,
outlining
how
much
the
urban
boundary
will
need
to
grow
to
accommodate
housing
in
ottawa
until
2046.,
we
made
changes
to
the
rules
that
govern
development
in
our
four
zones,
to
encourage
more
new
low-rise
apartments
and
gradually
build
up
the
city's
supply
of
affordable
apartments
as
a
way
to
improve
affordability.
A
We
adopted
bird-friendly
design
guidelines
to
help
reduce
the
risk
to
birds
and
the
number
of
bird
deaths
as
more
new
buildings
go
up
across
ottawa,
we
approved
a
landscape.
First,
zoning
strategy
to
help
protect
the
character
of
existing
streetscapes
in
older
neighborhoods
in
cases
of
redevelopment
additions,
new
infill
and
intensification
across
the
urban
area,
and
we
approved
a
spending
plan
for
the
15
million
dollars
in
capital
funding
that
the
city
committed
to
create
new,
affordable
housing
for
projects
which
includes
558
units
in
gladstone,
village
and
rochester
heights,
and,
of
course,
beyond
these
baker
policy
pieces.
A
We
also
dealt
with
the
usual
slate
of
zoning
and
official
plan
amendments
that
make
up
the
bulk
of
our
meetings.
It's
important
that
our
virtual
meetings
were
set
up
in
a
way
that
still
lets
residents
have
a
voice
in
how
their
city
is
run.
I
won't
run
through
every
application
we
considered,
but
I'll
remind
you
that
many
require
considerable
discussions
to
address
the
concerns
of
engaged
community
members.
You
might
recall,
for
instance,
a
lengthy
meeting
to
talk
about
a
proposed
redevelopment
at
st
mary's
coptic
orthodox
church
at
green
bank
and
canfield
roads.
A
I
proposed
multi-building
development
on
innis
road
at
la
marsh
avenue
also
brought
us
a
considerable
turnout
for
an
application
we
ultimately
refused,
and
just
last
month
we
heard
from
many
delegations
about
first
the
proposed
towers
beside
the
bayshore
shopping
center
and
then
the
proposed
redevelopment
of
the
canada,
golf
and
country
club.
This
committee
is
a
platform
for
residents
to
have
their
voices
heard
and
to
engage
in
the
development
process,
while.
H
A
Often
face
difficult
decisions,
we
also
tend
to
find
ways
through
deliberation
and
discourse
to
satisfy
many
local
concerns
and
still
keep
growing,
and
one
thing
that
you
know
has
evolved
over
the
many
years.
Is
there
our
desire
to
achieve
collaboration
even
after
a
decision
is
made
at
planning
committee?
We
don't
stop.
A
A
So
that
sounds
like
a
good
opportunity
to
look
at
what's
on
the
agenda
today
and
first
of
all
after
having
done
the
roll
call
I'll
ask
if
there's
any
declaration
of
interest
amongst
the
committee
members,
none
okay,
let
me
see
how
I
can
yeah.
That's
better
confirmation
of
minutes
from
agenda
33
november
26
2020..
D
A
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
have
no
one
speaking
in
opposition
to
the
parkland
dedication,
bylaw
waiver
for
zibby,
ontario
development,
3
and
4
boost
street.
We
do
have
our
gm
steve.
Willis
would
like
to
declare
a
personal
conflict
on
this
file
and
recuse
himself
from
discussion
in
his
place.
Should
you
have
any
questions?
Doug
james
is
going
to
speak,
but
we
have
the
applicant
who
is
ready
here.
If
you
have
any
questions,
does
anyone
have
any
questions?
Please
use
the
raise
your
hand.
A
A
Thank
you
item
number
two.
We
do
have
one
speaker
in
opposition,
and
this
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
250
and
252
hinchey
avenue
and
linda
hode
here
is
to
speak
against
and
then
we
have
the
applicant
to
speak
as
well.
So
we'll
hold
item
number.
Two
item
number
three:
we
had
a
lot
of
communication
on
this
item,
but
we
have
no
one
registered
to
speak
against.
A
I
Yeah
I
just
like
to
say
back
in
my
time
when
I
was
quasi
counselor
for
college.
I
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
crestview
community
association
and
city
view
community
association
about
this
application,
and
I
know
that
it's
kind
of
been
broken
up
into
two
parts,
with
the
seven
story:
building
and
the
larger
building.
That's
the
corner
of
view
mount
and
maryvale
being
separated
out,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
and
and
the
community
for
submitting
the
comments
and
including
me
in
that
discussion.
I
I
think
there's
still
some
some
stuff
to
do.
I
think
there's
some
legitimate
concerns
with
how
view
mount
fits
into
the
situation
and
the
lack
of
dedicated
transit
on
maryville,
because
they're,
all
just
kind
of
stuck
in
with
the
buses
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
I'd
like
to
hope
that
that
kind
of
gets
considered
through
site
plan
and
through
the
next
phase
of
zoning.
As
we
as
we
move
forward
on
this,
I
noticed
even
one
one
resident.
This
is
the
kind
of
challenge
we
have
with
with
college
ward.
I
I
So
it's
it's
still
something
that
concerns,
even
though
I
haven't
had
a
formal
role
in
almost
a
year
to
the
day
I
was
december
10
2019
and
I
moved
that
motion
to
recuse
myself
from
that
award,
but
I
think
the
residents
in
that
area
need
need
to
know
that
they
can
reach
out
to
us
if
they
have
concerns.
If
they
want
to
discuss
that
application
going
forward.
Thanks.
C
A
Yeah
thanks,
council
regular,
I
don't
think
council,
I
think
councillor
moffat
has
has
removed
himself
from
the
area
and
and-
and
you
know
I-
I
think-
that
the
staff
absolutely
did
a
great
job,
because
we
did
receive
a
lot
of
communication
and
we
received
communication
from
your
side
of
maryville
as
well
some
names.
Certainly
I
reckon
I
recognize
very
well,
let's
face
it.
Maryville
road
is
a
marital
road
and
every
time
we
do
anything
to
it.
Hopefully
we
improve
it.
A
A
The
bus
stop
is
clearly
a
site
plan
issue
for
view
mount,
but
where
that
bus
stop
is-
and
I
get
that
I
mean
you
know-
I-
I've
lived
in
nepean
for
way
more
than
half
my
life
and
maribel
road
boy,
oh
boy,
up
until
the
early
2000s,
when
bar
haven
had
nothing,
you
know,
maybe
a
canadian
tire
was
open
in
them,
and
the
mcdonald's
in
the
90s
maryville
road
was
where
we
went.
You
know,
and
and
really
has
it
changed
much.
A
I
think
I
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor,
because
we
because
we're
not
holding
this
item
and
we
do
have
two
two
people
that
are
representing
the
applicant,
but
I
really
think
that
all
the
times-
and
I
know
council
shirelli-
and
I
know
yourself-
have
tried
to
formalize
a
business
group
there.
If
you
were
to
have
a
strong
bia,
I
think
that
what
could
be
done
with
maryville
road,
it
would
be
quite
stunning
and
I
think
it's
something
that
would
be
worth
investing
in
personally
so
kind
of
a
challenge.
You
know
I've.
H
A
A
You're
welcome
so
anyway
give
us
some
thought.
Let
us
let
us
know
brie
aired
is
here
from
photon
and
paul
black.
If
needed,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant's
representatives
and
bree
and
paul?
Do
you
want
to
say
anything,
or
are
you
good
if
we,
if
we
carry
this
item,
happy
to
see
it
carrie
brown
chair?
A
A
We
have
three
actually
so
we're
holding
number
four,
which
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
284
king
edward
avenue.
The
next
item
we
have
speakers.
This
is
the
new
zoning
bylaw
proposed
work
plan
and
we
have
speakers
on
that.
So
we're
holding
number
five
and
then
number
six
is
the
amendments
to
the
permanent
signs
on
private
property.
Bylaw.
A
C
J
I
A
A
A
K
Okay,
thank
you.
You
received
the
communication
or
the
formal
letter
that
I
sent
the
problem
with
this
proposal.
Essentially,
is
the
neighborhood
character
we
were
told
from
the
beginning.
Intensification
is
going
to
recognize
and
respect
neighborhood
character
and
we
have,
as
you
know,
supported
intensification
in
hintonburg.
K
We
have
worked
with
developers
to
make
the
infill
they
propose
more
compatible
with
our
neighborhood
streets.
We
haven't
always
succeeded,
but
we
have,
I
think,
made
some
progress
and
we
have
improved
proposals
both
for
the
developer
and
and
the
neighbors,
and
I
we
hope
for
the
eventual
residents
who
are
going
to
occupy
the
the
new
homes.
K
K
This
is
one
of
the
more
this
plan
of
subdivision
on
this
street
and
sever.
The
neighboring
streets
was
much
later
than
most
of
the
community
1923.
I
think
the
lots
are
very
consistent
in
terms
of
their
size.
The
location
of
the
buildings
on
the
lots
is
very
consistent,
unlike
many
of
the
older
streets
where
the
houses
can
be
at
the
back
of
the
lot
or
the
front
of
the
lot
practically
on
the
sidewalk.
This
is
a
very
consistent
streetscape
and
this
particular
application.
K
K
It
just
needs
to
be
to
recognize
the
existing
streetscape
and
what
we
are
asking
is
that
the
adapt,
the
design,
not
you,
know,
throw
it
out
or
totally
change
it
to
increase
the
the
the
the
the
fact
that
it's
it's
one
building,
but
it
should
look
like
two.
It's
occupying
two
lots
and
the
this
proposal
doesn't
meet
the
goal
of
our
community
design
plan,
which
is
what
governs
it
and
we
are
asking
that
the
applicant
be
required
to
do
some
changes
as
a
condition
of
approval.
K
It's
simply
to
make
it
read
as
two
distinct
buildings
which
the
applicant
suggests
it
does,
but
we
disagree.
I
hope
you
will
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
plans.
I
guess
the
architect
is
here.
He'll
probably
show
you
the
plans.
The
other
aspect
of
this
intensification
that
concerns
us
is
parking.
As
you
know,
in
the
r4
zones,
parking
is
no
longer
required.
K
The
hca
supports
this
notion
of
of
promoting
the
active
forms
of
transportation.
However,
we
are
now
face
on
this
particular
block.
Two
16
unit
apartment
buildings
with
no
parking
around
the
corner
not
far
away,
is
a
33
unit
apartment
being
proposed
with
seven
units
of
park,
seven
parking
spaces
which
would
occupy
the
entire
rear
yard,
which
is
not
something
we
would
hope
to
see
either,
but
what
we
think
the
city
can
do
to
make
this
no
parking,
no
parking
part
of
zoning
bylaw
more
acceptable
to
neighbors
and
to
residents
on
street
permit
parking.
K
K
This
should
not
be
a
difficult
thing
to
do,
and
we're
asking
that
the
that
you
put
on
the
departments
or
ask
the
department
to
put
on
their
2021
work
plan
some
some
work
on
on-street
permit
parking
for
all
of
the
areas
where
r4
the
new
r4
zoning
is
being
implemented,
and
I
would
like
to
add,
which
came
to
me
after
I
sent
in
this
in
accessory
parking.
As
I
understand
it,
people
are
not
allowed
to
rent
their
driveways
or
existing
parking
spaces
that
they're
not
using
to
anybody
else.
It's
illegal.
K
K
J
J
Oh
perfect,
thanks
jennifer,
so
the
the
door
is
currently
to
the
side
of
the
building,
where
I
think
the
hca
would
like
to
see
the
door
more
central
and
and
a
clearer
bifurcation
ryan
is
the
architect
and-
and
he
is
absolutely
certain
that
once
the
landscaping
is
in
and
with
the
architecture
that
they've
used
that
it
will
read
as
to.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
linda
that
it's
clear
that
it's
not
the
the
size
of
the
building.
J
K
That's
correct:
it
is
similar,
it
is
closer
to
scott
street
and,
of
course,
it
consolidates
a
vacant
lot
with
an
existing
building
that
will
be
torn
down
and
it
no
it's
not
the
size.
If
this
this
building
fits
well
in
terms
of
meeting,
you
know
the
bylaw
requirements
that
the
height
is
fine,
it's
simply
the
way
it
reads
it.
It
does
not,
in
our
view,
complement
the
existing
streetscape.
J
Okay-
and
you
know
I'll,
I
will
leave
it
to
to
members
to
vote
their
confidence
once
they've
once
they've
seen
the
building
lyndon,
and
I
have
have
corresponded
about
this
and
chatted
and
it's
it's
kind
of
a
subjective
disagreement
at
this
point.
So
I
I
look
forward
to
jennifer
getting
that
visual
up
on
screen,
so
you
can
take
a
look
at
it.
That's
all.
I
had
thanks
linda.
A
G
I
think
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
what
what
is
in
front
of
you
today
is
a
minor
zoning
viola
amendment,
so
I'm
happy
to
go
through
a
few
slides.
We
do
also
have
a
site
plan
control
application
in
which
would
address
items
such
as
the
location
of
the
door.
So
I
think
what
the
hintonburg
community
association
is
talking
about
is
comments
on
the
door
location
which
it
doesn't
work.
G
So
I'm
happy,
I'm
not
sure
who's
controlling
the
slides,
but
I'm
happy
to
just
so
this.
This
shows
you
the
architectural
view,
that's
that
project
one
has
designed,
and
we
have
a
few
slides-
that
sort
of
show
a
bit
of
the
context
go
ahead.
Okay,
so
this
shows
we're
right
in
the
heart
of
hintonburg.
We
are
a
few
we're
three
lots
away
from
scott
street
and
we're
very
close
to
tiny's
pasture
next
slide.
G
So
we
are
right.
This
almost
looks
like
a
venn
diagram
for
the
perfect
location
for
transit,
so
we're
600
meters
from
both
chinese
pasture
lrt
station
and
bayview.
It's
very
walkable,
very
transit,
oriented
kind
of
development,
and
there
is
no
parking
proposed
for
this
project
and
the
applicant,
I
think,
is
taking
a
bit
of
a
risk
with
building
a
infill
like
this
and
choosing
to
actually
look
for
tenants.
That
will
not
want
parking
and
will
not
have
a
car
next
slide.
G
So
this
shows
a
little
bit
more
the
local
context.
The
red
box
shows
the
two
33
foot,
lots
that
were
bought
so
originally
they
actually
had
an
approval
for
a
long
semi
where
they
went
to
committee
of
adjustment
to
reduce
the
rear
and
setback.
They
could
have
built
two
side-by-side
long
semis,
but
I
feel
that
what
they
are
proposing
is
entirely
more
appropriate
for
this
lot.
I
mean
it's
more
consistent
with,
I
think,
where
the
city's
heading
with
really
trying
to
introduce
intensification
into
these
infill
or
these
low-rise
stable
neighborhoods.
G
This
is
textbook
missing
middle.
What
is
being
proposed-
and
I
think
it's
very
responsive
to
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
next
slide.
So
this
shows
just
a
bit
more
planning
policy
details,
so
the
site
was
r4h.
It
is
now
under
the
new
zoning
r4ub
and
we
did
look
at
both
scenarios.
Even
when
we
made
our
application
within
the
secondary
plan,
which
is
the
top
left
slide.
It
is
completely
consistent
with
the
secondary
plan,
the
community
design
plan
for
the
neighborhood
next
slide.
G
This
slide
shows
there
are
trees.
There
are
three
trees
that
are
slated
for
removal,
and
originally
there
was
two
new
trees
planned.
The
next
slide
will
show
so
we
introduced
through
the
discussions
with
immediately
adjacent
neighbors.
We've
introduced
two
additional
new
trees.
So
now
there's
five
trees
planned
for
the
site,
there's
no
asphalt
proposed
on
the
property
anywhere,
there's
interlock
and
softscaping.
Basically,
this
is
what
you
can
do
when
you
don't
have
a
driveway
and
you
don't
have
parking.
So
the
design
to
keep
next
slide
will
maybe
help
show
this
better.
We've.
G
C
G
G
I
don't
need
all
the
other
slides,
so
I'll
show
this
one.
This
is
just
a
few
changes
that
were
made
so
the
balconies
which
this
did
not
come
up
in
in
linda's
comments,
but
the
balconies
were
moved
at
the
back
to
be
more
central
to
the
middle
of
the
building
at
the
rear.
To
address
the
immediately
adjacent
neighbors,
we
added
a
extended
seven
foot
high
fence
along
the
side
of
the
property,
which
is
what
the
adjacent
neighbor
wanted,
and
the
next
slide
will
just
show
the
final
site
plan
layout.
G
So
the
the
zoning
amendment
that's
before
the
committee
today
really
just
talks
about
the
number
of
units
inside
the
box.
So
under
the
previous
zoning
we
could
do
four
on
each
of
the
two
lots
under
the
new
zoning.
There's
eight
allowed
on
either
of
the
two
lots.
So
it's
a
total
of
16,
which
is
what
is
proposed,
but
the
r4
zoning
doesn't
contemplate.
If
you
have
a
larger
lot
that
you
can
do
more
units
under
this
in
this
area.
G
J
Yeah
thanks
and
I'm
glad
the
the
landscaping
plan
showed
up
there
jennifer
it's
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
this
building
once
it
is
constructed
and
and
take
a
look
at
whether
or
not
it
does
read
as
two
different
units.
It's
a
leap
of
faith
right
now,
but
we'll
be
keeping
a
very,
very
close
eye
on
on
how
this
appears
on
the
street.
One
thing
I
did
want
to
bring
out,
though,
was-
am
I
correct
in
thinking
that
this
would
eliminate
two
curb
cuts.
J
Yeah,
so
the
it's
taking
two
driveways
out
so
that
you
know
it
will
add
a
little
bit
of
parking.
I
still
want
to
ask
staff
about
our
four
zone
permit
parking,
but
I
I
think
it's
important
to
highlight
that
this
will
actually
eliminate
two
curve
cuts
which,
from
a
walkability
perspective
on
the
street,
is,
is
actually
a
fairly
attractive
feature
of
this.
That's
all
I
had
for
you
just
make
sure
it
looks
like
two
different
buildings.
Thanks.
D
D
So
I
mean
from
from
our
perspective
architecture.
We've
always
been
surprised
to
hear
this
comment,
because
one
of
the
first
things
we
did
in
designing
this
building
was
to
articulate
the
front
as
two
distinct
volumes.
Two
heavy
masonry
volumes
that
read
differently
so
one
stands
up
vertically
has
a
narrower
proportion
makes
reference
to
some
of
the
smaller
houses
in
the
neighborhood?
The
other
one
has
a
more
horizontal
two
and
a
half
story.
Proportion
with
this
really
heavy.
You
can
see
angled
walls
that
cut
back
in
here.
D
So
the
reason
we
did
this
is
twofold.
So
not
only
do
they
read
as
two
separate
entities,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
relief
on
the
building
elevation
and
you
can
see
that
there's
recessed
balconies
on
both
corners
of
the
buildings
as
well.
So
you
know
if
it
was.
If,
if
we
were
building
a
brick
box
that
was
flat,
it
really
wouldn't
justify
or
or
make
a
good
reference
to
building
in
cadence
and
in
line
with
the
fabric
of
the
street
that
we
find
now.
D
So
the
reason
that
we
we
were
expressive-
and
these
are
not
cheap
details
to
do-
was
to
try
to
maintain
articulation
as
a
modern,
take
on
on
character
and
rhythm
of
the
street.
With
these
recessed
balconies,
we
more
than
exceed
current
r4
requirements
for
articulation
for
the
building
phase.
You
know
we
feel,
like
we're
doing
everything
that
we
should
be
doing
as
far
as
good
urban
design
is
concerned,
to
have
really
expressive
and
evocative
building
faces.
D
So
we
were
more
than
taken
aback
when
we
received
these
comments
from
from
the
community
association,
because,
to
our
mind,
and
just
looking
at
the
way,
this
rendering
reads
here,
it
does
seem
fairly
clear.
This
is
these
are
two
separate
volumes
and
then
the
landscaping
itself
that
we
spoke
of
that
transitions
and
makes
reference
to
those
two
lots
that
that
that
breaking
point
of
landscape,
where
it
goes
from
one
pallet
to
another,
is
going
to
align
exactly
with
where
we
see
the
the
start
of
the
shorter
brick
volume.
D
D
I
Thanks,
I'm
not
really
sure
who
this
would
be
too.
I
just
happen
to
be.
Subjectivity
might
be
the
key
word
to
the
entire
discussion
here,
but
just
looking
across
the
road
at
the
application
for
243
and
245,
which
of
course
is
two
lots
now
243
is
currently
vacant,
so
maybe
that
tilts
the
scale
a
bit
as
to
how
we
look
at
these
things.
It's
also
on
the
the
top
of
the
the
street
the
north
end,
but
it's
its
design.
I
It
has
the
central
door,
it
doesn't
read
his
two
buildings
at
all
and
jeff
already
mentioned
that
that
building's
likely
to
be
approved,
I'm
curious
that
the
distinction-
maybe
actually
this,
might
be
a
question
for
cancer
leaper,
the
distinction
between
the
concern
about
this
building,
not
front-facing
as
two
buildings.
Obviously
mr
cooley
explained
his
rationale
to
why
he
feels
it
doesn't
or
why
it
does
sorry,
but
the
application
for
243
245
is
absolutely
one
building
and
has
no
effort
to
make
it
look
like
two.
So
why?
J
With
you
know,
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
during
the
r4
debate
about
articulation
and
this
building
shows
you
know
a
lot
of
articulation,
but
we
have
this
subjective
disagreement
as
to
where
the
door
should
be,
and
it's
really
difficult
for
any
of
us
at
this
table
to
say
we
know
what
the
effect
of
this
is
going
to
be.
You've
got
the
architect
who
obviously
spends
a
lot
of
time.
J
Thinking
about
these
sorts
of
issues,
saying
one
thing:
you've
got
a
community
that
is
used
to
infill
and
and
is
generally
very
pragmatic
and
and
and
sees
what
the
future
holds
in
a
very
clear
way.
On
the
other
side-
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
willing
to
take
in
this
particular
debate-
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
the
building.
I
think
the
two
different
landscaping
plans
are
particularly
interesting.
I'm
glad
that
that
slide
got
put
on
screen,
because
again
you
have
the
two
different
treatments
but
scott.
I
C
L
C
J
J
Many
of
you
probably
saw
a
letter
that
was
sent
by
the
downtown
councillors
to
builders
and
landlords
across
the
city
asking
them
to
please
when
they
are
renting
or
selling
units
in
in
some
of
these
r4
areas,
particularly
make
sure
that
tenants
know
that
there
is
no
parking
available.
If
you
move
into
one
of
these
buildings
and
a
landlord
or
a
real
estate
agent
tells
you
that
there
is
street
parking
available,
confirm
that
with
the
city
before
you
make
the
assumption
that
that
is
actually
true.
You
know
the
downtown
councillors
we.
J
We
are
frequently
flooded
with
requests
from
residents
who
have
moved
into
these
dense,
intensifying
areas
on
the
assumption
they
can
get
street
parking
and
when
they
can't.
Unfortunately,
it's
it's
the
counselor
who
who
has
to
deliver
that
bad
news,
but
with
with
respect
to
trying
to
ensure
that
you
know
we
are
transitioning
with
or
looking
at
the
transitional
aspects
of
of
parking
in
our
neighborhood.
I
see
doug
and
david
probably
ready
to
address
that.
C
J
J
A
A
I
C
C
C
So
I
understand
where
the
council
is
coming
from.
From
from
the
things
we
can
do
in
a
planning
perspective
with
applications.
We
we
do
put
those
in
the
site
plan
and
let
people
know
so
we're
doing
what
we
can
do.
I
don't
know
if
the
gentleman
beside
me
have
anything
else
to
add,
but
no,
madam
chair,
that
that's
that's
a
response.
Thank
you.
A
A
D
A
A
D
D
D
D
C
D
We're
going
to
go
ahead
as
we
usually
do.
We
don't
normally
do
a
presentation
from
staff
on
the
issues
at
the
start
of
it
all
the
counselors
beforehand
have
had
a
chance
to
review
the
report
so
we'll
we'll
take
president.
I
will
take
the
comments
from
our
our
delegations,
including
yourself,
and
then
I
believe
the
applicant
has
a
couple
of
people
who
are
ready
to
speak
if
required,
and
we
have
staff
who
can
answer
questions
from
counselors
as
well
as
we
go.
H
H
So
I
already
submitted
comments
in
writing,
but
these
are
further
questions
that
I
have
so
I'd
like
to
introduce
myself.
I'm
sharon
o'dow,
I'm
an
ottawa
resident
of
the
byron
market
and
the
comments
that
I
sent
in
before
were
to
mr
jean
charles
renault
on
the
28th
of
september
in
connection
to
284
king
edward
avenue.
H
Would
this
not
give
a
carte
blanche
for
developers
to
do
what
they
wish
to
our
heritage
in
the
byron
market?
More
and
more,
not
just
lower
town,
but
many
public
residents
in
ottawa
are
upset
about
this
growing
precedent
of
ask
for
bylaw
to
change
no
plan
in
place
and
then
a
surprise
plan
that
happens
afterwards.
H
Is
this
not
biased?
Not
only
is
this
type
of
financial
property
transaction
held
on
an
idea
that,
if
something
is
done
to
make
it
more
lucrative,
I
will
purchase
the
property,
but
it
also
hurts
the
community
of
lowertown
if
we
lose
out
to
someone
else's
benefit.
Who
does
not
have
a
further
investment
of
residing
here?
It's
simply
a
project
for
them.
The
third
question
I
have
is
what
of
our
heritage
and
reference
to
black
culture.
H
This
has
been
a
place
of
worship
and
meeting
place
for
the
black
haitian
community
within
lowertown
for
the
last
40
years,
and
a
meeting
place
aside
of
the
baptist
worship
for
over
a
hundred
years
renovated
not
too
long
ago.
The
church
has
been
preserved.
Well,
the
community
is
glad
to
hear
that
the
congregation
is
growing
and
would
like
to
get
a
fair
amount
for
the
sale
of
the
property
to
ensure
a
new
church
is
built,
but
we
disagree
when
it
is
at
the
expense
of
losing
our
heritage,
especially
that
which
signifies
diversity.
H
H
A
fourth
comment:
there
are
many
laws
now
that
are
still
open
and
empty
for
development.
On
the
corner
of
king
edward
street,
in
st
patrick,
is
one
for
sale.
On
the
other
side
of
king
edward
diagonally
from
284
king
edward,
there
is
an
empty
lot
on
clarence
street
as
well
on
corner
cumberland
and
your
work
street
at
the
corner
of
cumberland
with
so
many
lots
open
still
some
for
sale.
Why
does
the
developer
want
to
change
the
bylaw
on
a
heritage
building
still
standing?
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
as
we
go
through
the
representatives
from
the
applicant
as
well
as
staff
all
will
allow
counselor
fleury
to
address
any
questions.
You've
had
to
them
as
we
go
through.
So
that's
our
public
delegations
for
this
one.
We
do
have
two
representatives
from
iglesias,
evangelique,
baptista.
J
H
Why
is
it
that
we're
taking
down
something
or
possibly
amending
it
to
not
be
what
it
was
intended
for
as
a
piece
of
historical
architecture
to
then
you
know
when
you
can
have
it
created
somewhere
else,
which
is
basically
an
empty
lot,
which
is
next
door?
There's
just
too
much.
That's
not
been
built
too
much
empty.
J
Okay,
I
mean
the
the
issue
of
whether
or
not
there
are
other
lots
available
to
develop.
Is
it's
irrelevant
to
the
the
considerations
that
we
have
here
today?
You
know
this
property
owner
doesn't
own
those
properties.
What
they
want
to
do
is
is
is
take
a
look
at
the
future
of
this
property,
so
the
one
of
the
scenarios
that
is
potential
here
is
that
if
this
church
were
designated
as
heritage,
you
know
you
could
see
a
proposal
move
forward
that
sees
it
preserved
as
part
of
a.
J
I
believe
it's
a
a
four-story
limit
at
this
part
of
the
of
the
zoning,
so
so
five
nine.
So
if,
if
it
received
the
zoning
approval
on
top
of
a
heritage
designation,
it
could
potentially
be
an
adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
building
into
a
nine-story
building
that
would
have
the
permitted
uses
of
a
traditional
main
street.
J
D
D
D
M
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning
to
committee
members,
I'm
speaking
in
on
behalf
of
the
church,
in
support
of
the
report
from
staff
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
today
simply
put
the
church
can
no
longer
serve
the
needs
of
this
congregation
and
must
find
a
new
location
in
ottawa.
An
important
step
in
this
process
is
the
application
in
front
of
committee.
M
Today
there
are
two
aspects
to
the
application:
there's
the
rezoning
of
it,
but,
as
we've
heard
this
morning,
there's
certainly
heritage
issues
that
you
know
do
come
into
play.
It's
the
church
has
a
long
history
in
the
neighborhood,
and
you
know
I
certainly
appreciate
the
concerns
that
are
raised
about
the
protection
of
the
church.
M
But
I
guess
I
just
want
to
remind
the
committee
that
what's
in
front
of
committee
today
is
the
is
the
rezoning
of
the
site.
The
site's
institutional
intent
is
to
change
that
to
a
to
change
it
to
a
traditional
main
street
zone.
This
reflects
the
existing
zone
on
the
site
to
the
south
of
the
the
property
and
it
will
provide
a
wider
range
of
permitted
uses
and
hopefully
would
attract
a
wider
spectrum
of
potential
buyers
for
the
site
and
the
possibility
of
consolidation
with
the
property
adjacent
to
it
or
to
the
west
of
it.
M
M
The
application
in
front
of
you,
in
my
opinion,
represents
good
planning
with
respect
to
the
harry's
aspects
of
the
church.
It
is
listed
on
the
heritage
register
and
discussions
have
taken
place
with
heritage
staff
on
the
possible
designation
of
the
church,
either
in
its
entirety
or
specific
elements
of
the
church.
M
But
to
be
clear,
the
church
is
in
no
major
from
a
heritage
perspective.
There
are
no
immediate
plans
to
redoubt,
develop
the
site,
in
fact
just
concentrating
on
the
church
site.
There
are
a
number
of
factors
that
come
into
play
that
are
protecting
it.
The
site
is
small,
it
literally
has
no
redevelopment
potential
on
its
own,
it
has
to
be
consolidated
and
why
it's
constrained
is
because
of
the
zoning
provisions.
M
M
So
thank
you
for
your
attention,
chair
and
committee
members
and
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for
the
professional
and
timely
work.
They've
done
on
this
file
and
also
the
counselor
furry
has
certainly
helped
in
terms
of
helping
to
identify
sites
that
may
be
impossible
for
the
the
church.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I'd
be
pleased
to
answer
questions.
D
D
But
my
question
to
you
as
you've
been
in
planning
for
a
number
of
years
you
and
I
worked
on
a
number
of
files.
I
had
a.
I
have
a
very
similar
issue.
If
you
will
that's.
That's
happened
at
the
corner
of
range
and
laurier
east.
That's
the
egyptian
embassy,
where
the
egypt
embassy
said
you
know
what
the
city
was
conducting
a
heritage,
conservation,
district
and
city
staff.
D
At
the
time,
former
former
heritage,
planner
decided
to
say
no
we're
gonna,
do
it
as
a
stand-alone
application
and
ultimately
it's
not
included
in
the
hcd
for
sandy
hill,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
gone
by
the
site
today,
but
it's
quite
challenging
what
was
to
be
hoped
to
protect
the
corner
building
is
ultimately
just
the
retaining
of
small
portions
of
two
walls.
So
I
want
to
understand
I'm
not
a
heritage
expert,
I'm
not
a
planning
expert.
I
recognize
the
the
wishes
and
the
aspirations
of
the
the
the
congregation.
M
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
look
at
the
designation
in
the
context
of
a
redevelopment
of
the
site,
because
the
site
isn't
going
to
redevelop
on
its
own
and,
I
think,
there's
more
opportunities
to
be
able
to
incorporate
the
church
in
its
entirety
or
portions
of
it
in
a
redevelopment,
it'll
be
a
mixed-use
development.
You
know
the
lower
town
plan
speaks
to
you
know
residential
mixed
uses
along
the
that
area
of
the
of
king
edward.
M
So
I
I
think,
there's
no
threat
and
I
don't
think
we
have
to
rush
into
designation.
Nothing
is
going
to
happen
until
this
is
part
of
a
redevelopment
site
and
also
as
staff
says
in
the
report.
We
have
the
the
section
of
the
the
planning
act
that
you
know
if
a
demolition
permit
is
applied
for
the
city.
M
D
M
D
At
the
site,
they
look
at
the
value
they
can
have
today,
and
I
I
I
understand
the
needs
of
the
congregation.
I
understand
the
efforts
of
consultation
to
me.
It's
a
process
issue
that
what's
the
issue
with
being
upfront
and
and
and
tying
it
all
any
anyhow,
mr
moser,
I
appreciate
your
answer
I'll,
be
asking
a
number
of
questions
to
staff
on
the
map.
J
Yep,
thank
you
and
and
john.
I
I
understand
why
your
client
wants
to
proceed
in
this
fashion.
The
potential
sale
price
on
the
property
of
having
the
new
zoning
in
place,
but
with
no
designation
in
place,
is
significantly
higher
than
the
property
would
be
worth
if
there
is
a
designation
in
place
and
a
rezoning
in
place.
M
I
guess
just
to
reiterate
what
what
I
said
to
counselor
fleury
chair
is
that
you
know
I'm
not
a
real
estate
expert,
but
I
do
know
that,
when
someone's
looking
to
consolidate
the
site,
that's
around
it
they're
going
to
do
the
due
diligence.
They
will
know
that
they
will
see
this
report
and
that's
gone
to
to
committee.
They'll
know
that
their
significance
it's
on
the
heritage
register
list,
so
you
know,
I
think
anyone
that
comes
in
and
consolidated
will
be
well
aware
of
the
city's
processes.
M
Well
aware
that
there's
going
to
be
those
discussions
that
are
going
to
take
place
in
terms
of
redevelopment,
and
so
I
don't
feel
anybody's
going
to
not
be
aware
of
this,
the
sale
is
certainly
going
to
or
the
purchase
going
to
involve
a
discussion
with
the
the
city
on
it.
So
I
don't
think
anybody
is
going
to
come
into
it
with
not
knowing
what
the
significance
of
the
building.
J
M
M
The
church
meets
that
on
a
number
of
fronts,
and
we
just
felt
that
going
forward
with
the
zoning
which
is
in
front
of
committee
today,
you
know,
could
be
done
separately
from
the
designated
designation.
There's
no
threat
to
the
church.
It's
going
to
take
a
considerable
amount
of
time
to
find
a
new
site,
because
the
church
is
not
moving
to
a
new
church
until
they
have
a
facility.
I
mean
they're
not
going
to
sell
the
site
until
they
know
exactly
when
and
where
they're
going
to
move.
M
So
I
just
feel
there's
time
is
on
everyone's
side
in
this
in
this
issue,
and
you
know
not
avoiding
the
issue,
but
would
just
like
to
be
able
to
do
it
in
the
context
of
the
redevelopment,
because
then
you
can
see
how
it's
going
to
blend
into
the
the
new
development,
hopefully
would
be.
You
know
showcased
in
the
the
redevelopment
and
it
just.
I
think
it
gives
everyone
a
better
opportunity
to
integrate
it
into
a
new
site.
M
J
I
think
if
we
were
to
approve
this
today,
all
of
the
advantages
accrue
to
to
your
client,
while
leaving
a
still
very
unfor,
uncertain
path
ahead
for
residents.
I'll
look
forward
to
council
fleury's
discussion
with
wisdom
on
that,
but
I
didn't
hear
you
say
that
you
would
support
a
designation
today.
Is
that
correct.
M
D
Thanks
counselor,
okay,
there's
no
more
questions
here
from
our
committee
members,
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
questions
from
staff.
We
do
have
jean
charles
winona,
the
planner,
as
well
as
leslie,
collins
and
mackenzie
kim
from
the
heritage
group
within
the
planning
department.
So
do
we
have
any
questions
for
staff
counselor,
leaper.
J
L
We
have
found
it
to
be
very
collaborative
and
a
much
more
collaborative
and
effective
process
to
be
able
to
you
know,
respond
to
an
actual
development,
as
opposed
to
only
a
change
in
use
and
be
able
to
discuss
how
the
heritage
value
of
the
building
can
be
highlighted
as
part
of
that
proposals
proposal.
So
we
have
several
other
examples
where
we've
taken
that
approach
and
they've
proven
to
be
quite
successful.
J
Yep-
and
you
know
that
that
has
been
a
positive
experience
and
I
don't
think
that
you
see
any
of
the
heritage
advocates
for
standard
bread
pushing
back
at
any
of
the
compromises
that
might
be
made.
But,
ideally
you
know
we
make
these
heritage
designation
decisions,
independent
of
of
development
decisions,
the
building
is
either
or
it
is
not
worth
designating
and
preserving
on
the
merits
of
of
the
tests
that
you
apply.
J
My
frustration
is
that
these
these
designation
discussions
come
up
when
all
of
a
sudden
something
is
under
threat
and
and
too
often
the
heritage
designations
are
seen
as
a
way
of
combating
an
intensification
play,
and
that's
not
the
discussion.
We
should
be
having
around
heritage.
So
is
there
a
formal
request
in
at
this
point
to
designate
the
building
that
would
require
you
to
undertake
that
work.
L
Yes,
we
city
staff
received
a
request
from
the
lowertown
community
association
back
in
2014.
It
included
a
number
of
other
properties
as
well
for
for
designation
and
those
included.
The
the
adaf
just
run
synagogue
at
375,
king
edward
also,
the
hydro,
substation
and
those
have
already
been
designated,
and
so
we
have
started
on
the
research
for
for
this
property.
It
and,
as
I
said,
it
has
been
added
to
the
register.
J
J
D
D
C
Mr
church,
to
mark
speaking,
if
there
were
a
desire
to
have
the
designation
brought
forward,
then
there
would
be
a
before
the
zoning
is
dealt
with.
Then
there
would
have
to
be
a
motion
to
def
defer
the
zoning
until
the
designation
report
has
brought
forward
to
build
heritage
and
planning
committee
when
it
is
brought
forward,
because
it's
not
you
would
not
be
deferring
it
to
a
time.
Certain
notice
would
have
to
be
given
a
gain
of
the
zoning
bylaw
report.
D
D
I
got
a
feedback
here.
I
I
I'm
I'm
clear
about
mr
mark's
comments.
I
guess
I
I
would
look
to
committee
members
as
I'm,
not
a
committee
member
to
to
move
that
motion
on
my
behalf.
It
I
I
don't
think
there
are
concerns
with
the
rezoning,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
in
the
context
of
the
intention,
which
is
a
designation.
D
I
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I
stepped
away
for
a
sec
there,
but
I
did
have
my
hand
up
like
cancer
flurry
had
mentioned
sorry
about
that,
just
hard,
not
to
look
at
this
one
without
thinking
of
it's
different,
it's
nearby,
it's
a
same
word,
but
no
sorry,
it's
not
the
same
word,
but
it's
it's
it's
different
to
a
degree,
but
it's
the
saint
charles
church
yeah,
that's
the
same
word
so
saint
charles
church.
I
There's
a
building
going
up
next
to
the
church,
the
church
was
preserved,
the
church
was
eventually
was
designated
and
the
new
owner
had
to
then
go
through
the
zoning
process
which
we're
seeing
now
now
it's
it's,
it's
a
different.
It's
a
different
timeline
right,
you're,
talking
about
zoning
and
then
designation.
The
heritage
register
is
an
important
piece
in
this,
though,
and
that's
that
wasn't
necessarily
at
play
a
few
years
ago,
and
I
think
the
heritage
register
provides
that
protection
against
the
fear
of
demolition.
I
Staff
mckenzie
had
mentioned
the
steps
that
they're
taking
to
look.
At
the
background
of
this,
I
think
we
we
likely
know
as
a
council
that
this
church
will
be
designated
when
that
happens.
I
don't
know
if
it
plays
a
significant
role
in
our
decision
today,
because,
ultimately,
whether
the
steps
go
one
before
the
other,
like
with
st
charles
or
they
go
this
way,
which
is
somewhat
backwards.
Ultimately,
I
think
the
outcome
of
both
would
be
the
same.
J
Thanks
and
I'd
like
to
think
scott
is
right,
but
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
confidence
that
the
the
process
will
roll
out
as
cleanly
as
as
it
should
in
theory.
My
question,
though,
for
mr
mark
is
you
know
we
could
refer
or
sorry
try
to
table
this
motion,
but
I
believe
the
applicant
has
a
statutory
right
to
have
the
application
considered
by
this
committee.
C
J
Not
sure
that
they
necessarily
would
I
mean
it's
it's
a
church,
but
if
they
can
hire
graham
burton
associates
to
to
bring
forward
a
rezoning
like
this,
I
don't
want
to
underestimate
the
resources
they
can
bring
to
the
table.
I
mean
my
my
own
feeling
is
that
if
council
or
sorry,
if
committee
considers
that
you
know
we,
we
should
be
pursuing
this
process
differently,
that
we
should
reject
the
application
today
for
the
rezoning
wait
for
the
application.
J
We
know
that
whatever
goes
in
is,
is
not
going
to
be
built
as
of
right
even
to
whatever
tm
zoning
would
be
passed
hypothetically
today
that
it's
going
to
require
any
number
of
changes
from
from
the
from
the
existing
tm
zoning.
So
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
do
rezoning
on
this
in
future
anyways,
especially
if
there's
any
kind
of
significant
law
consolidation,
because
I
believe
you
know
that
yeah
it's
it's
there's
a
lot
of
process
still
to
come.
D
D
There's
a
60-day
window,
because
it's
on
the
heritage
register
right
now
is
staff
in
a
position
to
evaluate
this
building
for
designation
and
get
it
in
front
of
build
heritage
and
then
council,
within
that
60-day
time
frame.
If
a
request
for
demolition
could
occur,
is
there
any
doubt
that
staff
would
not
would
staff
any
recent
staff
would
not
be
able
to
complete
that
in
a
60-day
time
frame?
I'm
also
cognizant
that
we're
going
into
a
bit
of
a
christmas
break
here
where
committees
and
council
aren't
meeting
regularly.
L
D
Yeah,
so
I
I'm
looking
for
a
colleague
on
planning
committee
to
move
the
referral
as
per
tim,
mark's
description
of
the
process,
not
not
in
opposition
to
the
zoning,
but
really
to
do
it.
You
know
full
force,
which
is
there
is
an
intent
to
designate
staff
have
begun
the
work,
let's
put
the
rezoning
on
hold
until
the
designation
is
brought
forward,
and
then,
let's
bring
both
back
to
planning
committee
in
a
review
that
that's
ultimately
what
I'm
looking
for.
I
I
I
don't
there.
D
D
We've
worked
well
with
the
applicant,
so
I
to
me
it's
it's
not
a
question
of
appeal:
we've
worked
well
they've
engaged
with
the
community.
This
is
not
a
threat
today.
I
just
think
it's
it's
the
important
it's
the
the
right
way
to
do.
It
is
to
to
ensure
that
both
the
zoning
are
considered
with
the
level
of
designation.
That's
that's
considered
by
staff.
I
just
think
it's
it's
it's
it's
doing
both
together.
So
I'm
not
worried
about
the
applicant.
I
think
they
they
work
in
the
community's
interest.
D
J
D
D
J
J
I
D
J
D
A
A
Thank
you.
Councillor,
leeper
noted
our
last
item
that
is
held
is
the
new
zoning
bylaw
proposed
work
plan.
We
have
three
speakers
speaking
on
that
david
weiss
is
our
program
manager,
I'm
really
all
zoning
and
he's
here
with
us
david
melody.
If
you
have
just
say
anything,
I
know
that
they
had
prepared
something
if
we
need
to,
if
there's
a
one
page
or
anything
that
they'd
like
to
put
up
go
ahead.
A
I
suggested
you
know
by
the
middle
of
january,
so
they
can
be
part
of
the
council
report
going
forward,
so
melody
you'll
be
keeping
an
eye
out
for
that.
Okay.
So
this
item
is
the
new
zoning
bylaw
proposed
work
plan
and
we
have
three
speakers.
As
I
mentioned,
the
first
delegation
is
robert
brinker.
We
also
had
written
correspondence
from
jason
berggraff
who's,
the
executive
director
of
the
greater
ottawa
home
builders,
but
right
now
we
have
robert
brinker
who's.
A
F
Thank
you.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
fca
planning
and
zoning
committee
and
would
like
to
share
our
comments
with
you
regarding
the
proposed
work
plan.
As
you
are
aware,
a
central
fca
tenant
is
that
neighborhoods
matter
for
all
members
and
community
associations
as
volunteers
and
committed
participants
in
the
planning
process.
We
know
our
communities
and
have
a
vested
interest
in
future
development
and
changes
that
will
affect
our
neighborhoods.
F
Every
neighborhood
is
different,
and
we
must
be
sure
that
that
approach
is
balanced
in
order
to
account
for
the
fact
that
communities
and
their
characters
throughout
the
city
are
different.
A
living
city
must
extinguish
through
a
surgical
tool
like
this
zoning.
By
law
that
not
only
is
a
hand
different
than
an
arm,
but
that
each
finger
on
each
hand
is
different,
and
that
is
this
differences
that
allow
them
to
work
together
efficiently
as
a
hand.
The
zoning
bylaw
is
the
most
finely
grained
planning
tool
we
have.
F
F
A
E
E
E
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
industry
that
actually
has
to
build
something
in
conformity
with
the
performance
provisions
of
a
new
zoning
bala,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
something
that's
workable
and
something
that's
actually
going
to
achieve
the
goals
of
the
growth
management
strategy
and
of
the
official
plan.
Once
it's
been
adopted
by
council.
E
E
Certainly,
the
city
of
ottawa
has
never
had
a
zoning
by-law,
that's
based
on
building
form
rather
than
building
typologies.
Staff
may
tell
you
that
this
may
be
the
first
by-law
in
the
province
that
takes
that
approach.
So
it's
new
territory
and
we
don't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
four
or
five
years
down
the
road
we've
adopted
a
bylaw
put
it
into
full
force
and
effect,
and
then
it
doesn't
work
and
when
I
say
it
doesn't
work.
E
What
I
mean
is
that
we
aren't
actually
able
to
move
applications
through
the
process
of
approval
without
having
all
sorts
of
difficulties,
meeting
the
performance
standards
of
the
zoning
ball
or
the
requirements
of
the
zoning
bottle
as
it's
set
out.
So
our
suggestion
to
committee
and
to
staff
is:
let's
do
a
test
run.
E
A
J
J
My
concern
is
that
they'll
be
done
without
adequate
consultation
with
the
neighborhoods
involved,
and
I'm
also
concerned
that
they
would
much
as
we've
seen
with
the
the
r4
zoning,
for
example,
in
advance
of
the
comprehensive
zoning
by-law
review.
You
know
once
again
be
intensification
in
the
core
without
touching
the
areas
that
are
further
afield.
E
Counselors,
those
are
certainly
very
appropriate
questions
and
obviously
you're
correct
that
myself
and
and
rosalind,
who
will
be
speaking
a
moment,
have
been
heavily
involved
in
the
westboro
instrument,
control
review
and-
and
I
appreciate
you
saying
it's
taken
two
years-
and
actually
it's
going
to
be
a
little
more
than
two
years
by
the
time
the
report
gets
to
planning
committee
in
february,
it
didn't
get
off
to
a
very
quick
start.
Quite
frankly,
I
think
there
was
probably
six
months
at
the
beginning
of
the
process,
where
absolutely
nothing
happened.
E
So
can
we
do
it
in
a
year?
I
think
we
can.
I
think
we
can
do
it
in
a
year
if
we
pick
a
neighborhood,
that's
already
contemplating
this,
and
I
know
that
you
know
rosalind
can
speak
to
this,
but
she's
worked
with
a
couple
of
neighborhoods
in
terms
of
testing
this
approach
or
some
of
the
approaches
associated
with
farm-based
zoning
so
that
it
wouldn't
be
a
new
concept
to
one
or
a
couple
of
neighborhoods
that
we
could
explore.
E
I
think
we
can
do
this
in
a
year.
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
try
to
do
it
in
a
year.
Obviously,
it's
going
to
involve
you
know
heavy
public
consultation
early
on,
but
I
think
it
can
be
done
and
when
we
talk
about
you
know
the
quick
hits
report
you
know
I've.
I've
had
a
brief
conversation
with
mr
wise
and
mr
urwire
about
that
notion.
E
It's
not
entirely
too
clear
to
me.
Yet
what
those
quick
hits
might
be,
because
what
I
I'm
not
sure
it's
worth
our
while
bringing
further
amendments
to
bylaw
2008-250
in
an
attempt
to
kind
of
patch
it
up.
I
think
anybody
in
the
industry
will
tell
you
that
bylaw
is
burdensome
at
best
to
read
and
just
adding
more
to
it
is
not
going
to
be
constructive.
E
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
with
something
with
a
new
bylaw,
so
I
would
I
would
be
it
may
be
a
freestanding
or
an
independent
bylaw
that
would
apply
to
this
neighborhood,
whatever
neighborhood
it
is.
If
we
can
do
that,
the
westboro
exercise,
you
know,
we've
worked
closely
with
you
and
your
office
in
the
community
and
staff
is
an
interesting
move
in
the
right
direction
in
terms
of
intensification,
but
it
hasn't
dealt
with
form-based
zoning.
It's
still
a
zoning,
bylaw
or,
and
the
amendments
are
still
based
on
housing
typologies.
E
It
still
talks
about
where
our
triplex
is
going
to
be
permitted,
where
our
low-rise
apartment's
going
to
be
permitted
where
our
town
houses
going
to
be
permitted.
That's
not
a
form
based
bylaw
zoning
bylaws.
So
it's
it.
It
would
have
been
great
to
go
down
that
path
in
westboro,
but
I
don't
think
we're
ready
to
do
that.
J
Okay,
what
in
terms
of
a
pilot
project?
What
do
you
think
the
role
of
the
committee
of
adjustment
would
be?
I
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
in
the
westboro
infill
study
is
that
we're
going
to
put
in
place
infill
rules
that
are
clear
to
the
committee
of
adjustment.
This
is
what
we
intend
and
we
haven't
had
those
rules
for
20
years
now
I
I-
and
maybe
this
is
a
coffee
discussion,
but
what
you
know
how?
J
E
Want
you
and
I
you
and
I
could
probably
spend
half
an
hour
talking
about
the
committee
of
adjustment,
but
let
me
let
me
give
you
the
simple
answer:
if
the,
if
we
could
avoid
going
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
on
our
development
applications,
we
would
absolutely
do
that.
It's
it's
time.
It's
a
it's!
A
risky
and
unpredictable
process
for
the
industry
and
we'd
rather
not
be
going
there.
J
J
A
Oh
listen.
I
think
that
there's
no
doubt
amongst
most
of
us
that
the
next
two
to
four
years
are
going
to
be
so
important
from
a
policy
perspective,
and
you
know,
as
we
I
think
it's
next
september
we'll
be
finalizing
the
official
plan,
but
wow
so
much
work
so
much
to
get
right
and
starting
right
now
so
and
vice
chair
gower
is
going
to
be
taking
the
lead
on
that
lucky.
Vice
chair
there
councilor
moffat
questions
of
murray.
I
I
So
when
you're
talking
about
just
want
to
be
clear,
are
you
suggesting
that
instead
of
the
quick
hits
we
narrow
the
focus,
because
I
think
the
quick
hits
needs
to
be
broad,
but
are
you
suggesting
we
actually
narrow
it
down
to
maybe
just
one
neighborhood
in
order
to
then
delay
further
implementation
to
four
or
five
years?
From
now.
E
So
counselor,
I
I'm
not
sure
I
can
answer
that
question
because,
as
I
say,
I'm
not
entirely
clear
what
the
quick
hits
actually
are
and
so
depending
upon
what
staff
response
is
on
the
quick
hits,
then
maybe
I
can
better
answer
your
question
as
to
which,
which
is
more
important,
and
I
know
that
I
did
have
a
quick
email
from
mr
wise
raising
a
concern
about.
You
know
what
gives
in
terms
of
their
work
program,
if
they're
going
to
initiate
this
kind
of
test
amendment.
E
But
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
the
answer
that
question,
because
I
don't
know
what
the
quick
hits
are.
But
you
know
the
the
residential
component
of
the
zoning
bylaw
is
the
most.
I
will
say
this
bluntly.
I
think
it's
the
most
important
part
of
the
bylaw
going
forward
and
it's
going
to
be
really
important
to
get
it
right.
E
So
if
there's
some
way,
we
can
do
something
sooner
than
later
so
council,
community
associations,
the
industry,
all
understand.
Okay,
when
the
new
bylaw
comes
out
in
four
years.
This
is
what
it's
going
to
look
like
the
westboro
interim
control
study.
Isn't
that
example?
It
could
have
been,
but
it's
not
and-
and
I
don't
I
don't-
blame
anybody
for
that.
I
think
that
we
were
well
down
the
road
in
terms
of
where
that
was
going
before.
E
I
This
council
needs
to
make
a
decision
on
big
zoning
implementation
policy
in
order
to
achieve
these
targets
in
the
near
future.
Otherwise
you
put
it
off
and
you
don't
go
anywhere,
we're
still
working
on
a
2008
zoning
bylaw
from
a
2003
official
plan.
We
can't
keep
on
pushing
this
stuff
off.
We
have
to
make
important
decisions
in
the
near
term,
not
just
the
long
term.
E
J
No,
I
I
just
wanted
to
explore
what
what
councilor
moffatt
is
saying
the
obviously.
I
agree
with
you
scott
that
we
need
to
have
some
significant
direction
in
zoning
coming
out
of
this
term
of
council,
but
I
wonder
how
realistic
you're
not
suggesting
it
would
be
realistic
to
have
a
new,
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
in
place
by
october.
2022.
A
A
B
B
Okay,
well,
first
off
in
response
to
what
the
quick
hits
are.
So,
let's,
let's
just
go
into
that
number
one
quick
hits:
we
have
an
existing
zoning
bylaw.
That
is
long
in
the
tooth.
That
is
a
an
amalgamation
of
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
and
it
is.
It
has
got
four
over
four
thousand
exceptions:
hundreds
of
schedules
and
overlays
there's
an
awful
lot
of
cleaning
up
and
basically
straightening
up
the
deck
work
that
needs
to
happen
before
we
can
really
start
start
cleaning
up
and
starting
moving
in
a
new
direction.
B
So
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
that
we
want
to
do
is
we
want
to
go
after
the
stuff.
That
is
really
the
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
can
clean
up
mighty
fast,
for
example,
part
four,
the
parking
and
mobility
section,
good
lord!
You
need
a
phd
to
be
able
to
work
your
way
through
it,
but
that
is
not
rocket
science
stuff
and
so
we'd
like
to
take
a
shot
at
cleaning
up
that
parking
mobility
section,
get
that
out
of
the
way
get
that
cleaned
up.
B
So
we
can
move
on
to
more
important
things
stuff,
like
home-based
businesses,
rules
secondary
dwelling
units,
maximum
parking
near
transit
stations,
those
are
all
fairly
low
hanging
fruit
that
should
be
fairly
easily
and
fairly
readably
easy
to
resolve.
So
that's
what
we
mean
by
quick
hits.
We
mean
stuff
that
is
broken
now
that
can
be
fixed
quite
quickly,
and
that
needs
to
be
fixed
very
quickly,
and
it
doesn't
need
to
hang
around
for
the
time
that
it
takes
to
get
the
rest
of
the
zoning
bala
done.
So
that's
that's
just
a
little
piece
of
it.
B
The
other
piece
of
this
as
well
too,
is
that
we
know
that
we
have
a
an
evolving
draft
official
plan
that
has
just
gone
public.
It
is
going
to
go
through
its
own
process
over
the
course
of
the
next
year.
It
will
be
going
along
in
sync
with
the
growth
management
strategy,
and
we
know
that
those
policies
are
going
to
be
being
adjusted
as
they
go
along.
B
Of
course,
no
plan
survives
survived
contact
without
some
amendments
and
whatnot,
and
so
there
are
going
to
be
some
pieces
of
that
official
plan
and
pieces
of
the
growth
management
strategy
that
roll
through
that
we
are
going
to
need
to
enact
sooner
than
later,
as
well
too.
Exactly
what
those
pieces
are
right
now
I
don't
know
so
we
need
to
be
keeping
track
of
what's
happening
with
the
new
official
plan
and
as
the
growth
management
strategy
discussion
unfolds
to
understand
exactly
what
we're
going
to
need
to
bring
forward.
B
A
Well
done,
I
don't
know
if
that
that's
yep
guess
what
council
leapers
back
up.
How's
your
leaper.
Oh
you
just
forget,
okay,
that
that's
great
david.
I
don't
know
whether
you
have
shocked
people
or,
but
I
do
know
that
you've,
given
them
a
lot
to
think
about,
and
we
certainly
you
know,
we
don't
even
have
that
much
time
to
think
about
it,
because
you
know
you
need
us
in
sync
with
you
rosalind,
rosalind
hill
you're
up
next.
L
So
when
we
have
new
zoning
ideas,
there's
no
need
to
test
them
in
real
life
before
we've
modeled
the
impacts
on
paper,
it's
important
and
responsible
that
we
do
that
so
understanding.
If
we,
if
we
have
an
idea
of
the
zoning
bylaw
to
put
in
place,
we
need
to
go
through
the
work
of
understanding.
Given
the
bylaw
proposed,
the
construction
economies,
the
building
code
market
demand,
what
housing
will
actually
be
produced,
what
will
actually
be
built
and
where
will
it
be
built?
L
We
can
produce
that
information
and
model
those
those
those
pieces
of
the
puzzle
in
advance
of
rolling
out
a
zoning
bylaw
and
testing
it
in
real
life,
and
it's
important
that
we
do
that
with
walkable
ottawa.
I've
been
running
some
neighborhood
workshops
to
help
little
pieces
of
neighborhood
understand
what
their
neighborhood
would
look
like
if
it
evolved
to
be
fully
walkable.
L
L
L
We
can
prepare
that
in
a
year
with
adequate
community
consultation,
but
only
with
the
use
of
modeling,
because
that
skips
over
that
part
of
the
consultation
that
is
very
abstract
and
difficult
for
people
to
understand
and
engage
and
gets
you
right
to
the
heart
of
the
issues
allowing
you
to
understand
the
impact
and
respond
to
them.
Modeling
also
can
generate
images
for
people
to
look
at
so
they
can
see.
What
would
this
look
like
in
my
neighborhood
so
that
the
consultation
actually
moves?
L
You
know
light
speed
faster
than
consultation,
our
our
normal
approach
to
consultation-
and
this
is
something
that
I
have
tested.
I've
got
a
full
report
of
the
study
that
I
did
in
overbrook
with
a
group
of
residents
in
overbrook
it.
It
is
efficient
and
it's
effective
and
it
allowed
those
those
participants
to
feel
that
they
were
really
involved.
They
felt
engaged
and
they
felt
good
about
the
result
and
that
model
exercise
was
was
grounded
in
form-based
zoning.
L
And
it's
it.
It's
excellent
that
the
committee
of
adjustment
would
be
involved
in
that
test.
We
we
want
to
know
what
the
committee
of
adjustment
will
do
with
that
zoning.
The
potential
zoning
for
form-based
zoning
would
be
vastly
vastly
more
simple
than
the
zoning
we
have
today
and
potentially
so
much
more
clear
and
usable,
and
we
want
to
know
what
happens
when
that
kind
of
zoning
ends
up
at
the
committee
of
adjustments
and
also
how
often
it
how
often
projects
end
up
there.
So,
please
consider
revising
the
plan.
That's
great
save
time.
A
Thanks
rosalyn
really
well
said,
and-
and
you
know
especially
for
those
people
that
do
a
lot
of
work,
a
lot
of
their
applications
go
through
committee
of
adjustment.
I
mean
it's
really
well
said.
I
don't
know
whether
counselor
leaper
has
who
has
a
question
for.
You
is
going
to
ask
that
mr
wise
comment
on
what
you
said
as
well,
but
if
not
I'm
asking
david
to
do
that,
but
first
of
all
going
to
jeff
lee
for
counselor.
J
I
have
two
questions,
the
second
of
which
will
be
I'm
wondering
if
mr
david
wise
can
comment
on,
can
you
can
you
address?
Can
you
address
cost
associated
with
the
kinds
of
exercise
that
you
want
to
undertake
you've
been
making
a
really
valuable,
proactive,
volunteer
contribution,
lending
your
considerable
professional
expertise
to
the
effort
for
quite
some
time?
Now,
that's
not
sustainable.
You
know.
How
would
you
see
these
modeling
exercises
undertaken
by
the
city
and
then
what
cost
if
it
chose
to
go
down
that
path.
L
Well,
I
don't
think
I
can
answer
that
question
on
the
spot,
but
I
certainly
would
make
available
all
the
modeling.
That's
already
been
done
by
me
on
behalf
of
walkable
ottawa
to
to
be
built
upon
so
at
least
there's
a
basis
to
to
be
continuing
that
work
and-
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
look
into
it,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
a
a
huge
time
and
money
saver.
L
So
it's
one
of
those
things
where
you
spend
money
just
to
save
mountains
of
money
and
also
this
kind
of
modeling
can
then
be
used
by
the
city's
group.
That's
working
on
emissions
savings
to
understand
or
to
to
harvest
from
from
those
residential
modeling
exercises
information
about
energy
saving,
because
this
form
of
energy
saving
on
multi-unit
buildings
and
walkable
neighborhoods
is
really
the
low-hanging
fruit
of
energy
saving
as
well
and
hasn't
been
included
in
the
city's
energy
modeling
process.
J
J
B
So
madame
chair
modeling
is
an
intrinsic
part
of
what
we
are
going
to
be
doing.
In
fact,
we
are
already
doing
it.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
95
percent
of
the
city
is
I'm
just
throwing
that
number
out
there,
but
it's
between
90
and
95
percent
of
the
city
is
less
than
20
units
per
hectare
right
now,
so
we
have
certainly
a
lot
of
the
areas
of
the
city
that
are
r3
that
are
r4.
B
Not
even
all
of
those
are
necessarily
up
to
capacity
is
what
the
r3
and
r4-
and
we
went
through
that
exercise
with
the
r4
report,
but
we
have
a
huge
area
of
the
city
that
again
covers
over
a
million
people
that
we
need
to
be
looking
for
and
make
no
mistake.
The
new
official
plan
touches
every
neighborhood.
It
will
touch
every
lot.
It
will
touch
every
community,
it
will
touch
every
sector
of
the
city,
so
we
need
to
be
very
careful
in
terms
of
scaling
these
things.
B
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing
is
we're
looking
at
setting
up
a
series
of
models
to
really
explore
and
understand
what
can
impact
and
how
neighborhoods
might
change,
depending
on
a
series
of
varieties
of
contexts
partially
based
upon
the
transects,
but
also
based
upon
the
condition
of
the
neighborhood
and
where
it
is
now.
Some
neighborhoods
are
a
lot
further
along
the
urbanization
spectrum
than
others,
and
so
we
need
to
be
it's
not
a
question
of
one
model.
B
B
That
is
a
simple
piece
of
information
that
I
should
be
able
to
stack.
My
fingers
and
get
rosalind
should
be
able
to
snap
her
fingers
and
get,
and
any
member
of
the
public
should
be
able
to
snap
their
fingers
and
get
as
well
too.
So
this
is
also
part
of
that
exercise
is
not
only
doing
the
modeling
work
that
we
need
to
understand
what
those
changes
are
going
to
be,
but
also
equipping
us
with
the
tools
necessary
so
that
we
can
do
21st
century
planet.
A
B
That
is
a
core,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
not
only
making
sure
that
we
have
a
structure
that
lets
us
process
what
needs
to
be
done
in
an
intelligent
way,
but
also
results
in
an
outcome.
That
is
also
going
to
be
efficient
and
save
an
awful
lot
of
time
and
effort
as
an
outcome
as
well
too.
So
we
have
a
couple
of
different
processes
and
a
couple
of
different
input
streams
we
need
to.
We
need
to
take
in
mind.
A
So
I
think
this
is
this
leads
to
a
whole
different
conversation,
and
I
think
that
that's
a
discussion
that
we
can
have
in
the
next
well
two
weeks
from
today
is
christmas.
So,
but
we
certainly
can
have
it.
I
would
say
second
week
of
january,
we
should
have
a
conversation
on
that
because
I
think
it's
important.
A
You
know,
like
we've,
got
so
much
work
to
do.
I
think,
before
we
travel
down
a
path
that
it
every
path
we
go
down,
needs
to
involve
efficiency,
effectiveness,
collaboration
and
we're.
We've
got
so
good
at
that
over
the
years
with
all
of
our
sponsor
groups,
and
that
I
we've
never
been
in
the
last
six
years
is
really
where
we
have
done
so
well
and
can
do
a
lot
better.
So
I
see
that's
it
for
questions
for
roslyn,
but
questions
to
staff
vice
chair,
gower,.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chair.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
timelines
and
and
different
reasons
why
it's
important
to
get
this
new
zoning
in
place
as
soon
as
possible,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
mr
mark
just
make
sure
we
all
understand
the
timelines
we're
working
on
in
terms
of
provincial
law
and
in
terms
of
protecting
us
on
appeals
and
so
on.
Mr
mark,
can
you
give
us
a
sense
of
what
we
should
be
aware
of.
C
Yes,
there
is
a
provision
in
the
planning
act
which
provides
that
there
are.
There
can
be
no
amendments
through
private
applications
to
the
zoning
bylaw
for
two
years
after
it
is
adopted,
but
to
qualify
for
that.
The
zoning
bylaw
needs
to
be
adopted
within
three
years
of
the
minister's
approval
of
the
plan.
So
I
appreciate
that
we're
looking
at
2024,
but
it
is.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Let's
emphasize
the
three
years
we
have
not
a
lot
of
room
to
to
spare
if
we
start
adding
scope
and
so
on.
I
want
to
go
back
to
mr
wise.
So
this
idea
that's
been
raised
about
a
test.
Neighborhood
is
is
intriguing,
but
I
get
the
impression
this
probably
would
would
be
quite
different.
D
It
would
stray
far
from
from
what
you
consider
from
quick
kits,
obviously,
and
would
probably
add
time
and
resources
to
the
process,
but
I
just
want
to
hear
directly
from
you
david
about
the
idea
of
a
neighborhood
for
test
zoning.
What
what
that
would
do,
could
that
integrate
with
your
quick
hits
idea,
or
would
that
really
be
a
separate
piece
of
the
process
resource
wise.
B
Chair,
I
I
see
that
as
a
separate
piece
I
I
would
not
recommend,
including
that,
as
part
of
the
quick
hits
big
moves
report,
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
is
we're
looking
at
a
fundamentally
very
different
zoning
bylaw.
We
are
going
to
have
to
take
the
zoning
bylaw
apart
completely
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
new
official
plan
policies
as
they
move
forward,
and
when
we
talk
about
changing
to
a
form-based
approach,
you
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
we
need
to
develop
what
those
categories
are
going
to
be.
B
It's
not
simply
a
matter
of
saying,
here's
a
form
we
don't
care.
What's
inside
it,
there
are
land
use
impacts.
We
have
to
assess
traffic
noise.
Well,
not
noise
traffic
height
massing
bulk
landscaping,
waste
management,
all
kinds
of
other
filters
and
what
not
get
rolled
into
that,
and
when
we're
talking
about
laying
out
those
various
categories
for
the
various
different
neighborhoods,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
as
well
too,
depending
upon
where
that
neighborhood
is
so
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work.
B
That
needs
to
be
done
to
identify
what
those
form
categories
are
going
to
be.
That's
not
something
that
can
or
should
be
done
within
four
months.
That
would
be
a
really
terrific
way
for
the
bylaw
to
be
basically
subsumed
in
waves
of
appeals,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
work
our
way
through
this
carefully.
B
We
recognize
that
we
have
a
time
limit
that
we
need
to
work
on
within
that
three
years
as
mr
mark
just
enunciated,
but
we
do
need
to
again
stress
that
this
is
a
very
substantial
change
from
what
we
have
today
and
we
need
the
time
to
do
this
properly.
We
need
the
time
to
be
able
to
do
the
consultation
work.
C
B
Yeah
following
this
report,
the
next
step
is
the
formalization
of
the
stakeholder
engagement
plan
and
the
public
engagement
strategy
that
something
is
being
worked
on
right
now.
I
can
say
that
certainly
goba
and
fca
are
key
stakeholders
that
we
absolutely
will
be
involving
as
part
of
the
initial
work
plan.
For
next
year.
We
are
looking
at
putting
together
a
series
of
approach
papers
and
also
launching
discussions
and
work
on
form
and
character
context,
compatibility
development
of
the
housing
classes,
all
of
those
things
those
are
all
going
to
have
subcommittees
associated
with
each
of
them
again.
A
A
A
B
Okay,
sorry,
no
thank
you
again.
We
are
going
to
be
going
into
a
variety
of
different
contexts
and
developing
different
zoning
approaches
for
each
of
those
different
concepts,
and
so
we
think
it's
going
to
be
really
important
to
be
able
to
get
very
targeted
stakeholder
engagement
from
each
of
those
contexts
to
reflect
what
it
is
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
that
area.
B
Of
course,
all
of
that
has
to
be
consistent
with
the
official
plan,
so
the
building
better
smarter
suburbs
and
the
approach
that
was
used
in
there
and
some
of
the
suburban
approaches
we
need
to.
Of
course,
look
at
that
against
the
official
plan
make
sure
that
those
two
directions
are
very
consistent,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
getting
that
suburban
perspective
from
the
community
associations
and
having
that
input,
that
would
definitely
be
part
of
something
that
we
would
look
at
within
the
stakeholder
stakeholder
engagement
plan.
I'm
sure.
A
Well,
thank
you
and
we
did
have
a
you
know.
I
mean
we
spent
five
or
six
years
on
the
building,
better,
smarter
suburbs.
We
put
all
the
pieces
together,
we
do
have
people
who
were
part
of
that
process
with
the
lamb,
megalist
and
peter
giles
for
the
whole
ride.
So
I
would
think
that
you
know
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
for
low
hanging
fruit
to
just
say,
to
take
a
run
at
it
and
bring
some
of
those
people
back
to
the
table.
Who
have
that
kind
of
ready
memory.
A
C
Putting
building
better
suburbs
on
the
table
there,
because
a
lot
of
work
did
go
into
that.
I
just
want
a
clarification
from
mr
weiss
that
refers
to
community
association
involvement,
especially
in
the
suburbs
or
in
in
the
rural
environment
you're,
looking
at
reaching
out
to
the
associations
in
that
area
and
not
fca
in
that
discussion,.
B
Chair
the
sony
bala
is
going
to
touch,
as
I
said,
every
community
association
in
every
sector
of
the
city.
So
we
we
are,
we
are
required
to
reach
out
to
each
and
every
one
of
those
community
associations
and
and
speak
directly
with
them.
Zoning
is.
This
exercise
is
going
to
be
a
on
the
ground,
very
direct
discussion
on
a
lot
by
lot
level
and
that
absolutely
needs
to
happen
out
in
the
communities
in
which
that
zoning
is
going
to
be
impacting.
C
I
D
A
A
Yes,
yes,
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
that.
Now,
I'm
not
going
back
to
it,
I'm
starting
it.
As
I
mentioned
before,
when
we
were
doing
consent
agenda,
counselor
shirelli
was
having
a
difficult
time
getting
on
to
zoom.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
I
said
to
him.
If
he
wanted
to
put
some
comments
in
that
we
would,
you
know,
have
them
as
part
of
the
before
council,
but
he
has
submitted
his
comments
that
could
be
included
in
the
counselor's
comments
section
of
the
report.
A
So
I
have
a
motion
here
that
I
hope
that
you'll
accept
that
the
committee
coordinator
be
directed
to
modify
the
award
counselor's
comments,
section
of
the
report,
zoning
by
law,
amendment
1642
maribel
road
prior
to
council's
consideration
of
the
report
on
january
27,
21,
to
include
comments
submitted
by
council
to
shirelli
on
december.
The
11th
is
that
kerry.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
and
I
know
that
the
comments
have
been
circulated
by
by
ms
stephanie,
and
so
they
will
become
part
of
the
college
award
comments
on
the
1642
marvel
road,
perfect.
Okay,
thanks
everybody,
we
don't
have
any
in-camera
items
items
any
notices
of
motion
for
subsequent
meeting
any
inquiries.
A
Other
than
merry
christmas
happy
hanukkah,
all
of
the
seasons
greetings.
We
have
so
many
now
that
I
would
hate
to
miss
one
in
the
possibilities
in
our
very
diverse
multicultural
city.
Our
next
meeting
is
thursday
january
14th,
followed
by
a
whopper
of
the
meeting
on
the
growth
projections,
the
25th
and
26th.
I
think
and
28th,
if
necessary,
if
necessary,
so
there's
also
council
thrown
in
there
just
for
the
fun
of
it.
Anyway.
Listen
have
a
good
time
off
everyone.
A
I
hope
you
stay
well
and
to
all
the
people
that
contributed
to
the
work
that
the
planning
committee
is
the
mayor
calls
of
the
workhorse
of
the
city
that
all
that
we
undertook
to
all
the
staff
that
our
businesses
and
our
our
and
our
communities
and
our
our
amazing
residents.
Thank
you
very
much
stay
safe
everyone
and
good
day.