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Transportation Committee meeting – November 4, 2015 – Audio Stream
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Communications
as
set
out
and
noted
in
the
agenda
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
Ministry
of
Transportation
presentation,
pulmonary
design
and
environmental
assessment
for
the
rehabilitation
or
replacement
of
structure
and
culverts
along
Highway
417
between
the
Aviation,
Parkway
and
Ramsey
railroad.
Mr.
chair
I'm,.
H
D
So
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
hold
item
number
one
then,
as
we
have
a
presentation
from
MTL
item
number
two
is
the
status
update,
Transportation,
Committee
inquires
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
the
23rd
of
October
2015?
Can
we
receive
this
okay?
Thank
you.
Number
three
is
the
roadside
memorials
policy
and
we
have
a
couple
of
delegations
to
speak
to
that
matter,
so
we'll
hold
that.
D
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Number
five
is
the
is
an
item
brought
forward
by
counselor
Dean's
regarding
Hunt
Club,
Road,
speed
reduction,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
delegations
on
that.
So
we'll
hold
that
as
well
and
we'll
go
back
to
the
beginning,
then
so
the
first
thing
can
we
can
we
vote
to
with
the
inquiry
so
counselor,
for
he
can
ask
his
questions:
okay,
okay,
counselor,
forty
Thank.
H
You
mr.
chair
question
as
to
to
Kevin
Kevin
I
really
mean
Cory,
it's
very
clear,
I'm,
just
confused
about
a
couple
of
elements.
One
being
is
there
a
policy
direction
that
gives
that
the
authority
to
I
see
the
intro
like
I'll
preface?
What's
that
comment
so
I
see
the
interlock
as
a
strategic
investment
that
council
did.
I
was
doing
when
use
the
street.
Obviously,
now
we
use
more
pavers
which
are
bigger
than
the
old
interlocked
in
it.
I
can
understand
in
terms
of
accessibility
in
terms
of
being
responsive
and
correcting
the
urgent.
H
H
I
H
Because
if
you
go
around
downtown,
you
know
across
the
city,
you'll
notice
that
there's
work
that's
being
done
in
in
some
of
the
the
current
concrete
pads
where
the
edges
are
lifted,
and
we
patched
that
and
it's
properly
done
to
meet
the
accessibility
standards
but
like
what
is
the
threshold,
if
it's
more
than
one
pad
more
than
three
pads,
that
will
actually
do
a
concrete
replacement
and
I
mean.
That
applies
as
well.
In
my
mind,
to
the
interlock
discussion,
a.
I
Chair,
if
the,
if
the
area
is
in
such
disrepair
and
I,
don't
have
the
metrics
with
me,
but
the
sizable
enough
that
it
would
be
something
we
would
refer
to
our
partners
and
ISD
to
look
at
a
life
cycle.
Review
also
would
go
into
the
life
cycle
stream
and
I
used.
Ii
would
look
at
it
for
a
complete
replacement.
H
I
H
That
that
non
temporary
fix
fits
into
what
contacts,
because
I'm
we're
seeing
more
and
more
patches
and
obviously
our
infrastructure
is
getting
older.
So
I
can
appreciate
that
you,
you
know
you're
you're,
maintaining
the
accessibility
standards
and
the
true
you're
correcting
the
trip
hazards.
But
how
does
it
pieced
all
together
realistically.
I
Sheriff
I
understand
the
councillors
question
correctly.
Maybe
I
can
answer
it.
This
way,
we've
since
the
OAD
a
legislations
come
in
and
that
did
change
our
maintenance
standard
from
a
three
centimeter
trip
hazard
down
to
a
two
centimeter
trip
hazard
and
the
counselor
is
right.
There
are
more
and
more
asphalt
patches
showing
up
around
the
city.
I
H
You
I
just
got
this
up
by
a
final
comment.
I
can
understand
the
ongoing
pressures
of
fixing,
and
you
should
continue
to
do
that.
But
I
do
I,
do
see
a
challenge
where,
for
example,
in
the
interlocked
zones,
I
mean
it's
such
a
nice
asset
to
see
the
interlocked
and
just
behaving
over
interlock
is
really
not
a
solution
for
this,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
I.
Don't
know
what
I'm
going
to
take
this
discussion,
but
I
appreciate
the
responses.
Thank
you.
I.
D
F
Mr.
chair,
thank
you
very
much
for
making
time
for
us
on
your
agenda.
My
name
is
David
London
Smith,
the
senior
project
engineer
for
MTO
on
this
environmental
assessment
to
my
left
is
Steve
program
from
our
consultants,
Mackintosh
Perry,
who
will
be
making
a
presentation
on
this
project
and
to
my
right
is
Dave
steed
Mackintosh
Perez
traffic
specialist
for
this
project.
F
So
the
the
the
essence
of
the
project
is,
as
you
said,
to
develop
a
strategy
for
rehabilitation
or
replacement
of
a
series
of
bridges
and
large
structural
culverts
between
the
Aviation
Parkway
and
Ramsey
Bell
Road,
and
to
get
EA
approval
for
dock.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
give
it
to
Steve
Pilgrim
for
Mackintosh
Perry
to
make
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
J
Good
morning,
everybody
thank
you
Dave
for
the
introduction,
so,
as
we
do
have
a
presentation
here,
that
all
tab,
through
so
by
all
means
just
take
a
look
and
ask
questions
if
you
have
any
as
they
come
up.
The
first
slide,
just
as
a
note
line
of
the
the
presentation
today,
in
essence,
just
wanted
to
give
everybody
just
a
quick
idea,
just
a
broader
interpretation
of
what
the
study
area
looks
like
the
purpose
of
our
study.
J
The
study
map
that
you
see
here
as
David
mentioned,
starts
up
at
the
Ottawa
Road
174,
maybe
Asian
Parkway
area
and
then
heads
I,
guess
we
call
it
east
down
to
Ramsey
bellerose.
You
can
see
on
the
map
that
all
the
blue
squares
represent
the
the
bridges
or
the
project
and
all
the
green
circles
represent
the
structural
culverts
that
we
looked
at.
J
J
So
the
key
study
purpose
of
the
project
was
ultimately
to
develop
a
plan
of
replacement
or
rehabilitation
for
the
bridges
and
culverts
and
ultimately
then,
to
obtain
environmental
clearance
for
the
recommended
alternatives.
The
project
is
being
undertaken
in
in
accordance
with
the
ministry,
transportation
class,
environmental
assessment,
the
the
project
was
identified
as
a
Group
B
project
and
that's
the
process
that
we
followed
through
the
preliminary
design.
J
J
So
the
the
next
slide
here
is
just
the
exist
summary
of
the
existing
conditions
of
the
bridges.
All
the
bridges
were
can
start
constructed
in
the
late
1960
to
the
mid
1970s
through
various
structural
inspections
that
are
deemed
to
be
in
fair
to
good
condition
with
the
recommended
or
the
required
upgrades,
including
items
such
as
bearing
replacements,
barrier
wall,
replacements,
expansion,
joint
replacement,
deck
patching
and
that's
for
slick,
thick
slab
bridges.
J
This
included
seer,
Ville,
Innes
and
Walkley
through
the
study
was
identified
that
these
would
be
rehabilitated
or
the
rehabilitation
options
for
the
construction
staging
identified,
that
access
across
the
bridges
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists
would
be
maintained
and
that
the
existing
municipal
cross
section
would
also
be
maintained
upon
completion
of
construction
at
Cyril
Road
in
particular
there
it
was
going
to
be
completed
as
a
two-stage
construction,
with
construction
happening
on
the
north
and
then
the
south.
This
permitted
a
single
lane
of
traffic
to
be
maintained
across
the
bridge
at
any
given
time.
J
The
traffic
would
then
be
controlled
with
traffic
signals
at
that
site
at
innocent
Walkley,
a
bit
larger
structures.
So
there's
a
multi-stage
construction
approach
being
taking
there,
the
there
will
be
some
lane
reductions
with
a
minimum
of
one
lane
per
direction
being
maintained
at
any
given
time.
The
results
of
the
proposed
rehabilitation
strategies
did
identify
that
there
would
be
some
ramp
closures
at
innocent
Walkley.
J
The
this
light
here
just
highlights
the
the
detour
routes
that
were
are
being
proposed
for
the
the
ramp
closures.
The
the
top
is
the
Ennis.
The
bottom
one
serve
is
the
Walkley
closure,
so
the
the
top
slide
looking
at
Ennis
is
the.
What
we
call
is
the
bypass
detour.
So
if
somebody
shows
up
at
the
ramp
closure,
then
they
would
then
be
signed
to
then
continue
to
Bantry
or
Dennis
Road,
Sheffield
Road
and
then
down
Walkley
back
to
417
eastbound.
J
However,
to
avoid
any
additional
traffic
through
the
site,
if
possible,
there
is
an
intercept
detour,
that's
the
red
one,
so
the
intercept
detour
would
have
sign
traffic
up,
Blair,
Road
to
Waddle,
Road
174
and
then
back
to
417
eastbound
Lockley,
due
to
the
kind
of
the
origin
point
of
some
of
the
traffic
and
intercept
detour,
wasn't
wasn't
reasonable
at
the
site,
so
I'll
pass
by
ttours
being
proposed,
and
this
is
included
based
on
going
through
pushing
traffic
through
the
site
and
then
going
walk.
They
rode
Hawthorne,
Honda,
Club
and
then
back
to
417
eastbound.
J
So
that
was
the
the
over
the
under
passes
for
the
project.
The
freeway
overpasses
are
kind
of
broken
up
into
some
subsections
here,
that'll
flip
through
now.
The
first
underpass
that
were
looked
at
here
was
bridge
ID
number
three,
which
you
can
see
in
the
subset
map.
On
the
side.
We
refer
to
that
as
aviation
Y
deck.
That
is,
that
bridge
that
carries
417
westbound
traffic,
but
also
has
a
1/2
east
leg,
which
splits
and
had
a
north
aviation
Parkway.
J
So
these
East,
like
Bridge,
apparently
has
the
one
lane
of
traffic
on
it.
It
can
be
staged
with
the
maintaining
one
lane
of
traffic.
However,
the
west
leg
will
require
a
multi-stage
construction.
Two
lanes
of
traffic
on
417
would
be
maintained
for
the
most
of
the
duration
of
the
construction.
However,
there
will
be
times
where
off-peak
closures
will
be
required
to
take
it
down
to
one
lane
in
order
to
facilitate
all
the
proposed
rehabilitation.
J
The
the
other
sites
that
were
deemed
kind
of
grouped
together,
bridge
IDs,
one
two
and
eight,
which
you
can
also
see
in
the
subset
map,
which
is
aviation,
Parkway,
southbound,
aviation,
Parkway,
northbound
and
highway
417
Green
Street
off-ramp,
which
you
can
see
in
the
subset
map,
so
the
southbound
bridge
is
obviously
number
one
and
two
and
eight
with
all
these
bridges
currently
carry
one
lane
to
traffic
across
them.
With
the
exception
of
the
southbound
bridge,
two
lanes
of
traffic
are
currently
moving
across
that
bridge,
based
on
the
proposed
rehabilitation.
J
J
The
next
group
of
sites
that
were
tagged
together
with
some
other
freeway
overpasses,
all
on
417,
the
greens,
Creek
eastbound
and
westbound
bridges,
which
are
just
located
south
of
Venice,
there's
the
CPR
overhead,
eastbound
and
westbound
bridges
just
a
further
a
little
bit
further
south
and
then
south
of
Walkley
is
the
two
CNR
overhead
eastbound
and
westbound
bridges.
These
bridges
currently
maintain
two
lanes
of
traffic
across
across
them.
Now
two
lanes
of
traffic
are
proposed
to
be
maintained
during
the
rehabilitation
as
well.
The
multi
stage
construction
will
be
used
at
these
sites.
J
J
The
last
last
bridge
was
the
freeway
overpass
at
Ramsey,
railroad,
eastbound
and
westbound
at
this
site.
Here,
a
replacement
I
was
identified
as
the
preferred
alternative
at
this
site,
with
two
new
bridges
being
built
in
the
median
and
a
new
median
alignment
proposed
as
well.
So
traffic
would
ultimately
be
maintained
on
the
existing
alignment
of
bridges
until
the
new
facility
was
constructed.
Traffic
would
then
be
diverted
to
the
new
one
and
subsequently
the
old
bridge
in
the
will
alignment
would
be
abandoned
or
removed.
J
So
that
wraps
up
the
the
bridges
of
moving
forward
to
the
culvert,
so
there
is
14
structural
culverts
again
very
similar
time
lines.
They
were
constructed
in
the
late
1960s
and
mid
1970s
they're
all
and
identified
as
overall,
in
good
condition.
A
summary
of
the
different
types
of
culverts
out.
There
consisted
of
Aswan
single-cell
corrugated
steel,
pipe
culvert.
It
had
medium
corrosion
at
the
invert
three
multi-cell
corrugated
steel,
pipe
culverts,
again,
similar
condition,
immediate
up
the
inverter,
and
then
there
was
also
ten
concrete
structural
culverts
that
had
isolated
areas
of
deteriorated
concrete
for
these
culverts.
J
J
Again,
these
were
kind
of
pooped
together
based
on
the
types
of
culverts
that
they
were
so
the
first
grouping
that
we
have
here
is
culvert
one
and
culvert
14
culvert
one
is
located
just
in
the
median
of
Ottawa
Road
174
between
these
front
and
westbound
lanes
and
Culver.
14
is
down
located
just
under
Ramsey
built,
Road
or
adjacent
at
Ramsey,
fellow
road
under
the
417,
so
a
culvert
oneness,
and
since
it's
not
carrying
any
traffic
right
now
is
deemed
to
be
redundant
and
non-essential.
J
J
Essentially,
at
these
sites,
here's
proposed
that
isolated,
concrete
repairs
be
completed
due
to
the
nature
of
the
work
minor
traffic
impacts
are
anticipated
just
because
of
the
nature
that
traffic
construction
access
would
be
via
shoulder
closures,
with
the
work
being
done
off
of
the
traveled
lane,
and
no
roadway
excavation
is
required.
That
would
require
us
to
impact
traffic
with
exception
culverts,
six,
which
is
located
just
north
of
the
Innes
ramp
terminals.
J
There
would
be
some
short
duration,
ramp
closures
of
the
highway
417
eastbound
to
Ennis,
east
and
westbound
off-ramp,
and
similarly,
these
Tennessee
westbound
to
highway
417
westbound
on
ramp.
This
is
simply
just
required
for
short
duration
in
order
for
the
contractor
to
set
up
and
take
down
their
construction
site,
but
that
would
be
reopened
while
construction
was
being
carried
out.
J
J
Again,
these
culverts
have
medium
corrosion
of
the
invert,
so
rehabilitation
was
recommended.
A
proposal
of
invert
paving
is
the
preferred
alternative
and
again
similar
as
the
others
there's
minor
traffic
impacts,
as
the
work
would
be
outside
the
travel
lanes.
There
just
would
be
some
construction
access
from
the
from
the
roadway
and
at
the
bottom
is
the
is
a
concrete
culvert,
with
a
recommendation
of
do
nothing.
The
the
culvert
at
this
site
is
under
the
new
on
Club
interchange
bridge
there.
The
MTO
currently
undertook
rehabilitation
of
this
culvert
in
this
patch
here.
J
On
this
light,
here's
just
a
summary
of
the
republic
consultation
I
was
undertaken
through
the
duration
of
the
project.
We've
met
with
different
groups
from
the
City
of
Ottawa
staff,
OC
Transpo
we've
completed
three
miss
municipal
advisory
committee
meetings,
one
in
September,
February,
September,
2014,
February,
2015
and
then
just
recently
held
one
in
October
p.
Ic
number
one
was
held
in
March
of
2015
and
we're
planning
our
next
pic2
present
technically
preferred
alternatives
to
the
public
on
November
25th.
J
D
F
If
I'm
a
councillor,
this
is
preliminary
design
and
environmental
assessments,
so
we
have
a
at
least
a
year
of
detailed
design
effective
for
us
before
we
can
go
to
tender
and
mindful
of
the
construction
activities
that
are
happening
in
the
East
End
now,
in
all
likelihood,
this
would
be
undertaken
as
to
contract
starting
toward
Ramsey
bail
and
working
its
way
towards
the
city,
fantastic.
Take
it.
H
F
H
My
my
I
realize,
where
you're
at
in
the
stage
I
guess
I
would
just
fly
get.
As
you
know,
part
of
the
issue
is
that
those
materials
over
time
they'll
look
awful
at
the
same
time.
So
it'd
be
nice
to
vary
the
materials
that
are
used
so
that
you
don't
you,
don't
visually
see
that
these
bridges
were.
We
had
all
at
the
same
time
and
then
it
it
just
looks
like
an
area.
Is
this
older
in
over?
H
F
On
the
under
process
were
constrained
to
the
existing
cross
section
where
we
have
existing
pathways
beneath
overpasses
we're
maintaining
those
and,
in
the
case
of
the
Ramsay
Bell
Road,
the
NCC
has
indicated
a
preference
for
that
path
to
be
relocated
to
the
opposite
side
of
where
I'm
zero
Road.
So
that's
something
we're
looking
to
incorporate
as
well.
Let's
see.
D
Thank
You
counselor
there
any
other
questions
for
the
delegation.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
down
this
morning
before
we
move
on
to
the
next.
The
next
item
I
was
remiss
at
the
beginning.
The
meeting
I
should
have
welcomed
all
the
students
it's
bringing
or
bringing
a
student
or
your
child
to
work
day
and
I
see
in
the
audience
we
have
a
number
of
them
so
welcome
to
Transportation
Committee
and
make
sure
that
mom
or
dad
take
care
for
lunch.
D
D
D
Everything
from
the
grieving
process
to
safety
issues
both
in
terms
of
the
accident
that
occurred
and
also
the
placement
of
the
memorials
and
the
access,
accessibility
and
distraction
issues
potentially
around
those
we've
had
discussions
about
the
difference
between
an
intersection
or
an
area
where
a
tragic
thing
has
happened
and
an
intersection,
that's
actually
a
dangerous
intersection,
sometimes
the
same,
not
always,
and
how
the
city
responds
to
that.
We're
going
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
this
morning
as
well.
D
There
are
lots
of
moving
parts
to
this
particular
issue.
It's
not
a
simple
policy
issue.
It
touches
people's
lives
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
doing
their
best
on
this
review
and
making
the
recommendations.
We
gave
you
pretty
specific
direction
and
you
went
out.
We
followed
that
direction.
I
also
very
much
want
to
thank
members
of
the
public
because,
both
as
chair
and
as
committee
members,
we
received
a
lot
of
feedback,
whether
it
be
phone
calls
emails,
letters
from
residents
of
the
city.
D
D
At
this
point
in
time,
of
course,
the
the
existing
bylaws
don't
allow
for
them
to
be
there
at
all,
but
they
are
there.
So
this
would
be
a
six
month
increase
over
the
current.
The
current
state
of
affairs,
I
believe
and
I
want
to
thank
counts
return.
Shenko
for
this
that
that
his
motion
is,
is
a
reasonable
compromise
that
it's
one
of
balance
that
looked
at
what
we
were
hearing
from
all
sectors
of
our
city.
D
With
this
proposal,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
on
committee
who,
both
myself
and
in
councilor
mishchenko,
have
reached
out
to
over
the
last
number
of
days
to
have
this
discussion
and
the
support
that
they've
shown
to
us
in
terms
of
this
proposal
for
six
months.
So
I
want
to
thank
them
all
for
their
support
in
dealing
with
a
really
complex
and
a
very
delicate
issue.
D
I'm
now
going
to
turn
over
the
mic
to
counselor
mishchenko
to
to
introduce
his
motion
on
this
particular
matter
and
then
we'll
move
to
the
public
delegations
and
staff
as
always.
Well,
there's
not
a
presentation
are
available
to
take
any
questions
that
committee
may
have
four
of
them
councillor
Elgar
thank.
L
The
Transportation
Committee
recommend
council
adopt
the
amended
roadside
memorials
policy
as
attached,
which
implements
the
following
changes.
Memorials
allowed
for
a
period
of
six
months
memorials
are
to
be
arranged
as
to
occupy
as
little
of
the
sidewalk
as
possible
and
that
all
elements
of
the
memorial
be
adequately
secured
to
each
other
and
to
a
fixed
object,
such
as
a
pole
or
a
barrier.
We
then
have
attached
to
this
the
full
draft
policy.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
You
councillor
mishchenko,
so
we
have
two
public
delegations
signed
up
this
morning.
The
first
is
team
of
the
large
a
and
the
second
is
Tim
far
so
if
I
could
ask
Miss
Vilar
Shea
to
to
come
forward,
I
know
that
you've
submitted
a
written
comment
as
well
and
I
believe
in
that
comment
you
referenced
through
the
three-month
issue
and
so
they're,
giving
a
bit
more
information
this
morning
about
the
the
proposed
increase
to
six
months.
You
have
five
minutes
and
turn
the
mic
over
to
you.
E
Christa
Johnson
was
also
a
daughter,
sister
and
well-known
and
my
family.
She
was
also
a
colleague
a
past
employee
of
mine
and
I
am
a
friend
of
her
mother's
in
Pembroke.
Those
legs
appear.
It
was
not
Meg's
or
Krista's
families
who
put
them
up
it's
a
worldwide
practice.
That
is
obviously
continued
by
caring
and
dedicated
advocates.
E
My
frustration
lies
with
the
city
reporting
that
the
presence
of
Meg's
go
spike
on
the
corner
of
Bank
and
Riverside
is
a
hazard.
You
say
it's
a
narrow,
sidewalk
impeding
pedestrian
traffic,
I
have
been
there.
I
have
stood
beside
the
bike,
while
both
cyclists
and
pedestrians
have
easily
passed
by.
If
something
is
a
hazard,
I
agree,
it
should
not
be
there,
but
to
say
that
it
can
be
a
hazard
for
six
months.
E
E
E
Even
staff
at
the
garage
across
the
street
we're
watering
the
flowers
if
there
was
a
dry
spell
in
the
city
I
understand
that
the
city
has
received
a
number
of
objecting
to
Meg's
bike.
My
question
is:
why
does
why
did
the
city
cater
to
those
complaints?
Do
those
calls
make
up
a
large
percentage
of
the
population
in
the
area?
Have
you
taken
their
conduct
the
time
to
conduct
a
broader
survey
throughout
the
city,
especially
in
the
neighborhoods
adjacent
to
these
memorials?
E
E
Has
the
committee
or
the
staff
who
wrote
today's
report
spoken
with
the
family
members
of
the
cyclists,
who
have
died,
how
you
stood
at
the
site
and
question
pass
or
buys
yourselves?
How
can
you
vote
without
discussing
options
with
the
families?
Are
you
afraid
that
they
will
speak
from
the
heart
and
not
be
able
to
understand
concerns,
especially
if
legitimate
and
therefore
be
unable
to
come
up
with
a
solution?
E
Next,
ghost
bike
has
provided
her
husband,
mother,
siblings
and
friends,
a
place
to
find
peace.
I
can't
explain
why
we
have
such
a
feeling
of
closeness
with
mildwin
were
there.
It
seems
odd
that
we
feel
such
strong
emotions
at
a
place
where
she
was
so
tragically
taken
from
us.
Perhaps
the
city
could
gain
understanding
from
consulting
with
mental
health
and
grief
counselors.
How
do
you
consulted
with
them
passing
Krista's
bike
bike
brings
a
smile
to
face
for
the
first
little
while
it
made
me
sad.
E
E
This
decision
affects
many
more
than
just
the
bank
on
the
corner
of
Bank
and
Riverside
Meg
was
struck
down
in
a
busy
intersection
that
is
seen
by
hundreds
of
people
every
day
and
has
been
in
the
media
because
of
its
high
profile.
We
understand
that
Krista's
death
occurred
in
a
spot.
That
is
slightly
off
the
road,
but
not
noticed
by
as
many
people
and
therefore
rarely
mentioned
what
about
the
memorial
on
highway.
174
orleans
and
airport
parkway
honoring
children
we're
removing
these,
where
we
make
a
difference
to
anyone,
but
the
families
left
behind.
E
I
can't
help
feeling
that
this
committee
is
afraid
to
take
the
time
to
understand
the
true
phenomena
and
unexplained
emotional
response
from
roadside
memorials.
Is
the
humanity
of
them
not
just
as
important
as
best
practices,
and
I
guess
at
what
is
acceptable
time
to
grieve?
There's
nothing
in
your
staff
report
addresses
this.
I
work
in
children's
mental
health
and
best
practices
are
not
taken
from
a
few
results
out
of
us
group
of
20
and
they.
E
All
right
now,
finally,
and
most
importantly,
to
the
health
and
safety
of
the
citizens
that
this
committee
is
responsible
for
I,
do
believe
that
these
memorials
also
teach
the
general
public
awareness,
whether
it
be
a
conscious
effort
to
keep
your
eyes
on
the
road
not
to
drink
and
drive,
and
to
be
mindful
of
traffic,
pedestrians,
cyclists
or
vehicular.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
Said
one
you
go
notice,
you
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
soul,
perspective
of
the
of
the
victim
or
the
victim's
family,
or
you
know
the
grieving
the
grieving
process,
that's
one
that
gets
your
opinion
on
the
other
side
of
it.
So,
for
instance,
just
recently
drunk
driver
runs
through
a
stop
sign,
crashed
into
someone's
laneway
hits
a
tree
and
some
trucks
in
their
front
yard
burst
into
flames.
The
person
dies
if
a
memorial
appears
there.
So
those
people
are
awoken
in
their
home
at
3:00.
M
In
the
morning,
then
someone
dies
in
their
front
yard
if
a
Morial
is
placed
there
for
an
amount
of
time.
That
person
has
to
relive
that
moment.
Every
time
they
leave
their
house,
they'll
probably
do
anyways.
But
the
point
is:
there's
a
visual
reminder
of
that
incident
in
front
of
their
home,
something
that's
not
their
doing
and
they
have
to
live
with
that
every
day
because
they
see
this
memorial.
What's
what's
your
take
on
that,
like
is
that.
E
M
E
M
E
E
M
To
this
and
I
just
I
just
want
them
to
make
you
aware
that
there
is
that
other
side
and
that
there
are
people
that
don't
have
that
ability.
A
massive
memorial
is
run
of
a
business,
a
world
business
that
that
customers
come
in
and
they're
asking
the
visible.
What's
that
Oh
someone
crashed
into
our
site
and
died,
that's
a
great
way
to
sell
a
product
at
your
business,
I
mean
it
sounds.
D
A
I'm,
not
here
representing
a
delegation
and
simply
coming
as
a
resident
of
old,
Ottawa
sense,
I'm,
a
pedestrian
I'm,
a
cyclist
I'm,
a
driver,
I
would
first
of
all
like
to
say
I
thought.
Miss
Milan,
Shay's
presentation
was
very
moving
and
very
heartfelt.
It's
difficult
to
listen
to
that,
but
I'm
actually
here
to
speak
in
support
of
what
the
staff
have
done
and
I
want
to
say:
I,
don't
envy
you
in
your
position,
because
this
is
an
incredibly
difficult
issue,
it's
almost
impossible
to
square
the
circle.
A
Minimizing
the
tragedy
that
took
place
integrating
a
sincere
attempt
to
provide
some
sort
of
tribute
to
the
victim,
so
it's
very
difficult
and,
as
a
result,
in
my
neighborhood
of
old
Ottawa
South,
a
lot
of
feel
people
feel
intimidated
to
speak
out
and
it's
too
bad
and
it's
sort
of
ironic
that
a
memorial
which
is
intended
to
focus
attention
on
the
legacy
of
a
victim.
In
fact,
it
becomes
a
source
of
controversy
and
division
within
a
neighborhood.
A
A
A
Back
st.
Patty's
Day
in
the
spring
of
this
year
that
particular
Memorial
had,
in
addition
to
the
white
ghost
bike,
there
were
two
flags.
There
was
a
planter
with
cedar
bush.
There
was
another
planter
with
plastic
flowers.
There
was
green
bunting
decorating
the
railing
of
the
Bank
Street
bridge
and
there
was
a
leprechaun
hat
on
the
bridge
abutment.
That
was
a
distraction
you
simply
had
to
be
on
the
sidewalk
and
look
at
the
reaction
of
drivers
going
by
we're
attempting
to
solve
the
problem
of
distracted
driving.
A
We
shouldn't
be
encouraging
it
by
allowing
that
and
I'll
note
that
it's
being
considerably
reduced
the
presence
of
that
memorial,
but
I
considered
that
a
public
safety
hazard
and
I
brought
it
to
the
attention
of
my
counselor
at
the
time
and
then
finally,
it's
an
obstruction.
I
said
earlier:
I'm
a
cyclist
I
make
good
use
of
the
Rideau
River
pathway
and
I
can
tell
you
that
in
the
summer
when
there
are
people
pathway,
as
well
as
people
trying
to
move
across
the
Bank
Street
Bridge
to
get
over
to
the
shopping
center,
that's
a
congested
area.
A
It's
unsafe
in
all
Ottawa
South,
one
of
the
things
which
makes
that
neighborhood
unique
is
the
number
of
caregivers
and
you'll,
often
see
women.
Pushing
those
strollers
for
three
or
four
seats.
Watch
them
trying
to
maneuver
around
that
when
there
are
cyclists,
backed
up
trying
to
cross
over
Bank
Street
to
continue
down
so
essentially
those
three
reasons:
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
city.
Taking
action,
it's
I'm
very,
very
sympathetic
to
what
the
victim's
family
and
friends
must
be
going
through.
A
If
you
want
to
extend
it
from
three
to
six
months,
I
think
that's
a
good
attempt
here
to
reach
some
sort
of
balance,
but
I
guess
I'd
say
that,
no
matter
what
you
do,
you
will
not
satisfy
everyone
around
this
debate.
So
I
I'm
sure
you
have
received
a
lot
of
heat
about
this.
You
probably
will
continue
to
receive
it,
but
speaking
as
a
resident
of
old
Ottawa,
South
I
think
you're
doing
the
right
thing
and
I
hope
that
this
passes.
D
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Are
there
any
questions
for
this
delegation?
Okay,
seeing
none!
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
going
to
ask.
We
now
have
counselor
trainer.
Shenko
has
introduced,
read
the
motion
in
fact,
I'm
going
to
as
the
motion
mover
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
opportunity
B
to
provide
some
context.
If
you
wish,
as
we
get
into
the
into
the
debate,
but
before
we
go
there,
I
don't
have
people
of
any
questions
directly
for
staff,
counselor
cadre.
G
G
N
O
Mr.
chair
there's
a
number
of
aspects
within
the
policy
that
deal
with
the
under
the
criteria
under
which
the
city
would
accept
the
memorial
staying
in
place.
One
of
those
is
to
maintain
a
1
point,
8
meter
pathway,
which
meets
our
accessibility
guidelines.
So
it's
the
opinion
of
staff
that
if
the
policy
is
approved
that
we
would
still
be
able
to
maintain
our
accessibility
requirements.
O
L
You
very
much
a
couple
of
questions,
then
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
very
clear
to
all
of
us
as
I
understand
it
now.
Currently,
there
is
a
bylaw
which
governs
roadside
or
sidewalk
installations
of
any
kind,
if
I
understand
correctly,
but
the
city
has
chosen,
if
you
will
to
let
it
go
in
the
case
of
ghost
bikes
and
other
spontaneous
memorials
to
this
point
is
that
accurate.
L
Currently,
it's
not
as
if
there
is
nothing
currently
governing
our
sidewalks
and
installations
on
the
sidewalks.
Let's
think
specifically
of
a
couple
of
the
recent
ghost
bikes
what
the
city
has
done.
Our
staff
has
looked
at
them
and
chosen
out
of
sensitivity
out
of
recognition
of
their
place
to
not
enforce
our
obstruction
of
right
away
by
law.
To
date
is
alright.
Mr.
O
L
So
we
could
have
had
all
manner
of
roadside
memorial
were
removed
if
the
city
had
wanted
to,
but
has
chosen
not
to
yes,
mr.
chair,
thank
you.
I
then
have
a
different
set
of
questions.
Some
of
you
may
have
caught
some
news
coverage
over
well
well,
over
a
year
since
I
first
mentioned
it
and
most
recently
a
family
member
Brent
Ness,
who
the
brother
of
Danielle
masu,
who
was
killed
on
Queen
Street
by
a
car
door
opening
back
several
years
ago.
L
Now
he
has
been
working
on
a
project
to
create
a
national
cycling
monument
that
could
also
serve
the
purpose
of
a
permanent
memorial
location.
I
had
been
working
with
city
staff
to
try
and
identify
an
appropriate
location
for
that.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
staff
continue
to
be
open
to
that
to
working
with
me
and
mr.
Nasu
to
trying
to
make
this
happen.
I
know
we
haven't
specifically
got
formal
approval,
but
if
I
could
get
clarification
from
staff
that
the
city
would
be
prepared
to
keep
working
on
on
establishing
such
a
monument.
L
Mr.
chair,
absolutely
yes,
we
would
would
that
need
to
again
just
in
terms
of
process.
Would
that
need
to
come
through?
Our
committee
would
I
have
a
say
it
was
in
my
ward:
have
delegated
authority
assuming
it
was
deemed
to
be
surplus
property,
meet
other
technical
requirements,
I
just
wonderful
process,
whether
I
could
do
that
with
delegated
authority
with
staff
or
whether
it
would
need
to
come
through
this
or
another
committee.
G
Through
the
chair
counselor,
you
would
have
to
go
through
the
normal
process
of
if
you're,
looking
at
the
declaring
land
surplus.
That
would
be
through
the
real
estate
group
and
and
going
through
the
process
there.
And
then,
if
there
was
any
requirements
that
required
waiver
of
any
bylaws,
then
you
would
have
to
see
Council's
approval
etc,
so
that
it's
a
process,
that's
all
set
up
that
you
would
go
through
the
normal
process
and
at
that
time
we
would
determine
and
consider
if
there's
and
they
need
for
committee
and
councils
involvement,
okay,.
L
So
I
will
leave
it
there.
I
just
did
want
it
known
that
I
am
working
on
that
it's
you
know.
It's
been
a
slow
process
because
it
has
been
something:
that's
come
from
a
community
member
up,
not
me
driving
it
and
wanting
to
hurry
it
along,
but
I'm
glad
to
know
that
that
will
continue
that
cooperation
with
with
staff
to
try
and
make
it
happen.
I
know
you
can't
make
a
commitment
to
an
unseen
proposal
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
Thank.
P
Thank
You
chair
just
a
couple
of
comments
and
and
questions
the
you
know.
The
chair
is
correct,
that
that
this
is
not
a
simple
issue:
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
difficult
things
that
certainly
I've
been
confronted
with
since
in
in
the
past
year.
Since
this
term
council,
you
know,
pedestrians
and
cyclists
are
by
far
our
most
vulnerable
users.
We
want
to
make
our
roads
safe
for
everyone.
Motorists,
cyclists,
pedestrians
and,
and
the
city
has
done
a
lot.
P
We've
done
a
lot
as
a
city
to
work
towards
that
building,
segregated
bike
lanes
widening
our
sidewalks
when
we,
when
we
have
the
you
know
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
But
you
know
these.
These
memorials
are
powerful
symbols
of
horrible
personal
tragedies
and
they
have
become
part
of
the
grieving
process
for
for
families
and
for
the
entire
community.
P
So
you
know
on
the
issue
of
the
time:
I
won't
be
supporting
either
the
report
or
the
motion.
I
believe
that
for
myself,
a
years
a
much
more
appropriate
amount
of
time
to
to
have
a
memorial
in
place,
but
just
on
the
issue
of
you
know
public
space.
If
we
take
just
the
ghost
bikes
do
we
do?
We
know
how
many
are
present
around
the
city.
I
think
it's
five,
maybe.
O
P
We're
on
the
issue
of
the
ghost
bikes,
though,
because
that
seems
to
be
the
hot
button
here-
let's
say:
five:
five
square
meters
in
the
whole
city
and
we've
got
five
thousand
four
hundred
kilometers
of
roadway.
So
so
I
don't
buy
that
the
public
space
issue
and
on
the
terms
and
on
the
issue
of
distraction
I
mean
you,
could
you
know
eight
it's
subjective?
All
of
this
is
very
subjective.
What
is
and
isn't-
and
it's
a
distraction,
but
also
on
the
issue
of
mobility
and
accessibility.
P
You
have
to
go
much
further
than
algún
Street
to
know
that
if
you're
a
parent
with
a
with
a
stroller
or
somebody
in
a
wheelchair
that
those
sandwich
boards
that
are
always
up
on
over
there
and
never
get
taken
down
that
we've
got,
we've
got
mean
streets
across
the
city
that
impaired
mobility,
so
just
on
that
I
just
want
to
be
on
record
as
saying
that
you
know
I,
just
don't
buy
the
mobility
issue
and
I
don't
buy
the
distraction.
Issue.
P
K
O
Chair
the
rationale
for
that,
for
that
clause
was
to
protect
utilities
and
various
other
things
that
are
within
the
roadway
or
the
right-of-way.
You
know
we
recognize
that
these
memorials
are
not
going
through
any
sort
of
technical
review.
People
are
not
getting
utility
locates,
you
know.
Certainly
the
intention
is
to
prevent
people
from
you
know
from
from
undertaking
excavation.
So
if
excavation
was
required
for
a
cross
or
another
thing,
that
is
something
that
we
would
be
looking
to
minimize
as
much
as
possible.
O
K
K
O
Policy
is
intended
to
apply
to
all
roadside
memorials,
regardless
of
whether
they're
resulting
from
a
pedestrian,
a
cycling
or
traffic
or
other
tragic
event.
We
have
a
number
of
memorials
within
the
rights
of
way
that
deal
with
other
events
that
have
you
know,
taken
place
tragically
within
our
rights
of
way
or
adjacent
to
our
rights
of
way,
and
it
would
apply
to
all
of
them
equally
to
flowers.
K
O
Certainly,
you
know
when
flowers
would
constitute
part
of
the
roadside
memorial,
so
they
would.
You
know
if
we
received
information
that
they
existed
or
a
complaint,
we
would
follow
the
same
process
if
it
was
a
live
material
where
there
was
flowers
or
shrubs
as
we
would
if
it
was
another
sort
of
structure.
The
only
difference
when
we're
dealing
with
flowers
within
the
policy
compared
to
something
else
is
the
length
of
time
that
we
would
hold
that.
O
You
know
if,
when,
if
and
when
it
comes
time
for
the
city
to
remove
it,
the
policy
does
call
for
us
to
hold.
You
know
something
whether
it's
a
you
know.
It
makes
you
a
shrine
of
some
sort
or
a
cross
to
hold
that
for
a
period
of
one
month
to
allow
the
proponents
that
opportunity
to
come
and
reclaim
it,
but
the
policy
does
call
for
us
to
dispose
of
live
material,
whether
it's
flowers
or
shrubs
immediately,
so
that
it's
we're
not
we're
not
dealing
with.
You
know
rotting
vegetation,
so.
K
O
Chair
I
think
we
would
treat
it
the
same
if
we
receive
complaints.
I
think
it's
also
worth
knowing.
We
don't
have
memorial
patrols,
we're
not
suggesting
you
know
a
staff.
You
know
go
on
a
rampage
to
identify
these
things,
but
as
they
are
identified
to
the
city,
you
know
whether
it's
live
material
or
whether
it
is
you
know
a
construction
of
some
sort.
It
would
all
be
treated
the
same.
K
O
O
Not
proposing
any
sort
of
you
know
active
purple
patrols
from
the
city
perspective,
but
I
also,
wouldn't
necessarily
only
characterize
it
as
a
complaint
when
the
city
becomes
aware
of
it.
That's
when
we
would
enter
it
into
a
database
and
when
this
is
when
a
clock
would
start,
you
know
from
a
city's
perspective.
K
Take
you
from
the
comments
I
will
be
supporting
the
counselor
to
the
sinkholes
and
chairs
and
motion,
and,
however,
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
a
bit
more
leniency
towards
flowers,
I
think
if
it's
not
affecting
sight
line,
I,
don't
think
it's
a
major
issue
for
anybody.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
one
of
the
issues
was
that
this
motion
came
forward.
I
believe
was
foresight
line
and
for
safety
of
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
vehicles
and
someone
putting
flowers
on
the
fence.
K
I
know
what
seeing
that
does
mean
an
issue,
so
all
that,
no,
if
there's
an
amendment
that
can
be
flipped
or
just
a
direction,
let
me
put
forward,
but
the
flowers
are
going
to
ears
or
something
that
should
be
someone
does
across
where
the
flower
and
that's
an
issue
when
just
flowers
on
the
fence
where
it
doesn't
obstruct
any
of
you.
I
know
it
takes
shouldn't,
be
something
that
we
should
worry
about.
I
think.
D
One
thing
that
Derek
didn't
say
is
any
existing
memorials
that
are
out
there
that
have
come
to
the
city's
attention.
They
will
be
in
place
for
another
six
months
from
the
time
that
this,
if
this
passes
and
passes
it
council
as
well,
the
time
starts
ticking
six
months
after
the
after
the
council
vote.
L
Suppose
the
problem
for
me
is
it's
naturally,
you
know
a
couple
of
flowers
staying
for
a
period
of
time,
as
one
thing
one
can
go
to
the
expose
observe
extreme
of
you
know
very,
very
large
numbers
attached
to
a
fence
over
a
long
period
of
time.
So
it's
it's
hard
to
come
up
with
a
with
a
set
rule
for
it.
So
I'm
I
find
it
a
little
difficult
to
respond
to
that
and
say
you
know
X
number
of
flowers.
This
big.
K
Time
they
put
flowers
on
long
defense.
That
was
not
obstructing
any
view.
It
was
out
of
respect
from
that
individual
and
passed
away,
and
unfortunately,
at
that
location,
that's
the
type
of
scenario
unless
indicated
I,
don't
want
to
vote
against
the
six
months.
I
think
the
six
months
is
a
good,
proactive
approach
and
I
think
there
should
be
some
leniency
towards
having
flowers
along
defense,
and
if
someone
you
know
it's.
Finally,
when
we
got
in
six
months
when
a
family
might
decide
yes,
I
want
put
some
flowers
after
six
months
again,
so.
D
O
Chair
the
policy
does
have
language
that
does
speak
to
replacing
a
memorial
after
it's
come
down,
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
the
situation
where
we
have.
You
know
memorial
goes
up
for
six
months.
It
comes
down
for
a
couple
days
and
goes
back
up,
so
you
know,
while
I
appreciate
I
wish.
I
could
be
more
helpful
in
resolving
this
issue.
The
the
policy
does
speak
as
US
as
its
proposed
does
speak
to
not
permitting
replacement
memorials
in
its
place.
I
think
for.
Q
G
Yes
through
you,
mr.
chair,
we
do
review
all
pedestrian
and
cycling
collisions.
That's
for
the
city.
We
started
out
in
2013,
and
so
we
take
a
look
at
that
to
establish
if
there's
any
patterns
and
things
like
that,
so
that
we
can
go
and
proactively
do
some
either
education.
If
it's
engineering,
its
ties
into
our
safe
roads,
Ottawa
program
and.
H
G
Specific
to
specific
locations,
we
don't
do
that
communications,
but
we
do
communicate
when
we
give
our
updates
through
the
safe
roads,
auto
programs
of
the
initiatives
that
we're
doing
so.
For
example,
we
had
a
rash
of
fatalities
with
regards
to
cyclists
and
trucks.
So
we
did
a
campaign
this
last
spring,
with
the
heaviest
trucking
association
to
provide
awareness,
both
cyclists
and
truck
drivers,
that
they
need
to
make
sure
that
you're
not
in
people's
blind
spots.
G
Q
Q
Principal
upon
e
la
misaki,
kazuki
Jacques
artistic
component,
where
seducing
larger
the
present
conceptually
skipper
me:
McCoy,
an
occasional
small
cigar,
soda
cellophane,
each
other,
the
11
to
fish,
Cal,
conch,
definite
a
memoir,
thus
a
person.
The
question
is:
what
does
geological
scale
of
value
units
castle
available?
Our
sister
milena,
a
patent,
illegal
processors,
support
of
cells
in
our
score
text,
Hashanah
Street
and
amounts
to
the
samovar
and
Scott
them
Yocum
elements?
Second,
histologic
surging
minimum
memoir
key
sri
suta
so
suitable.
Q
O
Q
Starters,
fantasy
stepped
on
the
found
of
satellizer
snow
in
the
cottage
a
you
have
in
store,
carotene
Ibrahim
Saavik,
ladies,
are
the
default
applications,
etc.
Me
two
toed
objects.
A
person
are
dominated
since
that
simple
laughs
am
a
problematic.
The
last
five
petal
skills
in
mrs.
Lovett
Africa,
pound
corner
da
da
da
da
la
vie,
Gamma
Quadrant
well
in
period
suit.
As
you
know,
it's
fairly
national
scale,
la
speculation,
zookeeper
Midlantic
en
su
camino
de
cocina
de
la
recoleta,
sexual
cortex
Prasanna
signal
feedback.
Q
Compatible
male
community,
the
rest,
let
us
examine
school
dance,
show
Connors,
not
a
Jelena,
Isuzu
citizen,
velocity
separation,
sociology
attack,
Villa
tequila
of
a
community
en
esta
project
or
World
War
Pete
leaves
only
the
first
Republic,
don't
see
the
noblest
Christian
world
or
potassium
a
pop
culture
or
theropod
Arizona.
The
familiar.
The
respect
to
mediocrity
are
available,
kosnov,
impression,
kids,
Americans
awareness,
young
uns
sake,
tragic
span,
school
Nepal,
Nepal,
address
Lamar,
visual
America,
so
special,
so
so
Lester
says:
Adama
I
knock
uses
a
pound
zoo.
That's
my
thing.
R
R
O
Chair
the
the
direction
we
were
given
back
in
June
was
to
conduct
a
review
of
best
practices
of
other
municipalities.
So,
as
you
know,
I
think,
as
we
point
out
in
the
report,
you
know
we've
conducted
that
review.
We've
also
done
some
consultation
internally
with
our
internal
stakeholders,
of
the
different
departments
within
the
city
and
receive
feedback
from
them
were
from
a
operational
perspective,
but
as
far
as
going
out
to
a
broader
public
consultation,
that's
something
that
has
not
been
done.
O
It
was
not
part
of
the
direction
that
was
given
and,
and
that
would
be
a
you
know,
another
piece
that
would
have
that
wasn't
part
of
this
report
right
the
report.
That's
before
you,
the
recommendation.
That's
before
you
was
based
on
a
best
practices,
review
in
consultation
with
our
internal
stakeholders
and.
R
D
R
R
Six
point
one
one:
all
temporary
memorial
shall
be
removed
and
no
later
than
six
months
from
the
date
that
the
city
becomes
aware
of
the
memorial
and
the
public
will
allowance
will
be
don't
say
that
I
I
find
that
a
little
weak
and
I
know
we're
trying
to
be
lenient
and
accommodating.
Obviously,
as
a
family
go
through
families
go
through
a
tough
time,
but
at
the
same
time,
from
an
enforcement
perspective.
I
find
that
legislations
a
bit
weak.
Have
we
considered
a
way
of
perhaps
formalizing
that
process,
whether
it's
a
simple?
D
Counts
right
and
I'll:
let
staff
answer
but
I
mean
it's.
It's
very
much
the
same
system
we
use
for
bylaw,
which
is
complaint
driven,
and
you
know
that's
the
same
sort
of
model
that
we're
using
here.
If
concern
is
raised
within
the
community,
then
the
city
will
respond
to
that
or,
alternatively,
if
it
provides
an
operational
challenge
in
terms
of
either
mowing
or
that
sort
of
thing
in
the
city,
we'll
bring
it
to
its
own
attention.
D
R
O
Mr.
chair
to
the,
if
I
may
answer
the
initial
question,
certainly
we
did
consider
a
variety
of
options
to
bring
forward
as
potential
recommendations
for
your
consideration.
Certainly
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at
is
do
we
want
to
create
a
process
where
we
require
a
permanent
right
and
the
benefits
of
that
would
certainly
be.
We
know
who
it
is.
We
know
where
we
can
hold
accountable.
O
We
have
a
dedicated
time
line,
and
the
downside
of
that,
however,
is
you
know
it
creates
an
additional
bureaucracy
for
people
that
may
not
be
interested
in
going
through
that
bureaucracy.
When
they're
going
through
a
period
of
grief
associated
with
a
very
tragic
event-
and
you
know,
rather
than
create
a
situation
of
non-compliance,
we
tried
to
move
forward
a
policy
that
would
be
easy
for
people
to
follow.
That
would
be
easy
for
the
city
to
follow
and
administer.
O
You
know
the
downside,
of
course,
to
that
is
we
don't
necessarily
know
who
the
proponent
is,
or
we
don't
have
a
specific
date
that
it
that
it
to
know
for
sure
one
it
has
gone
up.
However,
we
do
have-
and
we
continue
to
work
with
our
partners
and
public
works
to
refine
and
develop
a
procedure
internally
to
you
know,
create
a
database
where
we
will
track
these
and-
and
you
know
when
we
do
become
aware
of
them
from
that
point
forward,
it
will
be
six
months.
O
R
Thank
you
and
to
be
clear,
I'm,
not
asking
for
more
red
tape
or
more
bureaucracy.
It's
just
a
you
know,
as
you
point
out,
it
makes
it
more
clear
for
everyone
all
the
parties
for
the
city,
as
well
as
the
the
applicant
and
formalizes
that
process
in
terms
of
legislatively,
as
well
as
we're
an
enforcement
from
an
enforcement
perspective
as
well
should
complaints
be
coming
it.
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
think.
D
D
So
additionally,
what
what
the
city
has
done
in
the
last
little
while
is
also
unroll
a
program
whereby
you
can
purchase
a
memorial
sign
and
they
guess
there's
some
confusion
out
there
around
how
that's
going
to
work.
So
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
in
that
regard.
First
of
all,
there's
a
fee
I
understand
of
about
200
of
250
dollars.
G
D
The
other
issue,
I'd,
like
some
clarification
about
is,
is
there's
also
some
suggestion
in
terms
of
some
of
the
feedback
that
I
know
I've
received,
and
probably
my
colleagues
have
received
about
a
provision
in
the
policy
about
whether
someone
has
a
criminal
record
or
not
whether
that
would
not
allow
such
a
sign
to
be
to
go
up.
I
would
hope
that
we're
exercising
some
discretion
or
will
exercise
some
discretion
in
that
regard.
D
For
example,
if
you
have
a
a
shoplifting
conviction
when
you're
20
years
old
and
you
pass
away
in
an
automobile
accident
when
you're
55,
that's
not
going
to
forego
you
having
a
sign
put
up
in
your
memory
by
your
family
or
your
friends
and
wondering
if
that
mr.
Wiley
or
or
q,
can
you
can
speak
to
that
again.
I
would
hope
the
staff
is
going
to
exercise
some
judgment
and
discretion
terms
to
how
that
works.
I.
I
L
L
This
was
something
that
became
unfortunately
very
obvious.
As
a
result
of
hearing
and
my
community
from
all
sides.
Over
a
number
of
years,
it
became
clear
to
me
that
a
lack
of
a
process
in
terms
of
members
of
the
public
using
public
space
for
what
is
initially
a
spontaneous
memorial
going
on
over
many
months
and
then
into
several
years,
was
something
that
was
an
issue
for
enough
people.
L
That
rules
were
in
fact
needed
I'm,
not
someone
who
wants
rules
where
they're
not
needed,
but
it
became
clear
that
on
public
rights-of-way,
the
use
of
that
space
for
memorials
was
something
that
was
of
concern
to
enough
people
that
the
lack
of
rules
wasn't
good
enough.
We
have
the
ability,
we've
always
had
the
ability
to
say
no
take
that
down
or
it
can
stay,
but
it's
got
to
be
made
safer,
made
secure,
etc.
It
can't
be
this
big,
but
we
have
not
had
is
a
time
limit
to
that.
L
Did
we
need
a
time
limit
to
that?
You
could
argue
no,
but
enough
people
have
felt
that,
yes,
there
are
ways
to
mourn
and
to
grieve
and
to
memorialize
in
perpetuity.
We've
had
them
for
millennia,
we
have
graveyards,
we
have
monuments,
people
in
their
homes
have
urns.
There
are
many
ways,
and
it's
not
familiar
for
us
to
tell
anyone
how
to
do
that,
but
unfortunately
we're
at
a
point
where
I
believe
the
city
has
to
say
on
a
public
space.
L
There
is
a
time
limit
in
addition
to
some
physical
and
practical
rules
around
that,
where
this
policy
came
from
is
quite
simply
to
get
back
to
and
in
defense
of
our
staff,
not
having
a
large
public
consultation
on
this.
What
they
were
asked
was:
what
do
other
cities
do?
What
are
best
practices?
This
is
not
the
only
city.
No,
in
fact
there
are
hundreds.
L
There
are
thousands
of
cities
where
such
phenomena
exists,
so
are
there
other
people
doing
and
staff
came
back
to
with
to
us
with
this
report
indicating
what
those
best
practices
were,
and
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
proposal
to
adopt
best
practices
package
of
best
practices
amended
to
six
months
now,
so
that
we
can
have
clarity
for
everyone.
Just
the
two
delegations
who
presented
I
think
admirably
indicated
two
equally
valid
equally
important,
equally
passionate
and
compassionate
sides
of
this
issue.
There
are
much
greater
extremes.
I
can
assure
you.
L
We've
received
some
of
those
letters,
the
extremes
from
no
never
on
a
public
space
to
always
anyhow
and
forever.
Most
people
are
somewhere
in
the
middle,
and
this
policy
I
think,
does
its
best
to
reflect
a
fair,
consistent
approach.
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
ghost,
bikes
and
I.
Suppose
that's
because
ghost
bikes
are
the
biggest
they're,
the
most
recent
they're,
the
most
prominent
and
the
most
political
and
I.
L
Don't
say
that
as
a
criticism,
there's
a
reason
why
the
ghost
bike
phenomenon
came
up,
because
something
that
we
were
seeing
reached
a
point
where
the
public
said
this
is
intolerable.
We
can't
take
this
anymore
cyclists
being
killed.
Something
has
to
be
done
about
this,
but
I
want
to
separate
I.
Guess
two
things
I
want
to
say
one
is:
it
only
seemed
fair
and
right
to
not
create
a
set
of
rules
around
ghost
bikes,
but
rather
a
set
of
rules
around
roadside
memorials
on
public
space
of
all
kinds.
L
That
was
one
thing,
and
the
other,
of
course
has
has
been
brought
out
by
a
number
of
my
colleagues.
Here
is
the
presence
of
a
memorial
or
not
does
not
dictate
whether
the
city
investigates
and
takes
action.
We
can
be
faulted
for
a
lack
of
action.
We
can
be
faulted
for
inadequate
changes
to
infrastructure
in
certain
locations.
L
That's
quite
separate
from
whether
there
is
a
roadside
memorial
I
did
do
a
lot
of
research.
I
have
not
certain
any
seen
any
research
that
either
proves
or
disproves
that
a
roadside
memorial
creates
action,
makes
it
safer
or
makes
it
less
safe.
So
when
I
say
I
think
we
have
to
dissociate
those
I
believe
we
really
do.
Roadside
memorial
is
about
a
memorial
not
about
making
it
more
safe,
but
in
the
short-term,
the
the
políticas,
a
ssin,
if
you
will
of
the
ghost
bike,
is
something
that
I
believe
we're
still
prepared
to
live
with.
L
The
question
is
for
how
long
and
and
how
big?
So
as
my
time
is
up,
I
am
very
it's
going
to
say,
I'm
very
pleased,
I'm,
very
unhappy
that
we
need
this
policy
I'm
unhappy,
that
people
are
dying
on
our
roads
and
whatever
mode
of
transportation.
They
are
using,
but
I'm
pleased
that
our
staff,
my
colleagues
and
the
public
on
the
whole
are
coming
to
a
consensus
on
how
we
might
do
this
in
a
fair
and
compassionate
way.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
You,
council,
chanko
and
just
one
thing,
I
want
to
reiterate
I
think
you
made
an
excellent
point
that
the
two
delegations
that
we
did
have
this
morning,
we're
sort
of
the
yin
and
the
yang
of
the
argument,
but
presented
in
a
very
respectful
way
on
both
sides,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
again
I,
see
they're
both
still
in
the
audience.
I
want
to.
Thank
you
again
for
sort
of
putting
the
bookends
on
this
particular
discussion
for
us.
It's
it's
very
helpful
and
informative
and
appreciate
it
so
I'm
going
to
so
I
guess.
D
D
We'll
now
move
on
to
item
number
five
on
the
agenda,
which
again
we
do
not
have
a
presentation,
but
staff
are
available
to
answer
questions
and
we
do
have
one
delegation
to
speak
to
the
matter
and
that's
the
hunt
called
Hunt
Club,
Road,
speed
reduction
matter
and
the
delegation
I
have
is
mr.
Dave
Wagner.
D
B
You
mr.
chair
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
introduce
this
topic
and
tell
you
why
I
have
this
motion
before
the
committee
today.
This
is
a
motion
to
reduce
a
small
stretch
of
hung,
Club
Road
from
their
current
speed
limit
of
80
kilometers,
now
we're
down
to
60
kilometers
an
hour.
If
you
can
imagine
her
Club
Road.
This
is
east
of
Bank
Street,
east
of
Albion
as
you
as
you
travel
east
along
that
roadway.
B
It
is
60
kilometers
an
hour
until
you
get
to
the
intersection
of
Cahill
Road
east
and
then
it
goes
up
to
it's
an
odd
place
for
a
change
in
speed.
But
then
it
goes
up
to
80
along
that
road
and
for
the
last
many
years,
I
have
heard
from
the
community
associations
and
from
a
mirror
of
constituents
who
feel
that
that
speed
is
inappropriate
for
that
stretch
of
the
roadway
and
that
it
creates
a
safety
hazard
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
have
to
say.
B
It's
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we're
having
this
discussion
right
after
the
roadside
memorial
discussion
today,
because
it
really
does
pose
safety
concerns
for
the
community
that
live
in.
That
neighborhood
there
is
a
community
center.
The
Greenberg
Community
Center
at
Lorri,
Greenberg
Drive
and
many
families
have
their
children
crossing
Hunt
Club
Road
to
access
that
community
center.
That
can
tell
you
that
they
don't
feel
safe.
Doing
that.
B
There
I
think
it's
interesting
as
well
to
take
a
look
at
the
two
intersections:
a
hunk
Club
and
K
Hill
Drive
and
hunt
Club
and
Lloyd
Greenberg,
because
they're
only
one
block
apart
and
one
has
an
80
kilometer
speed
limit
and
the
other
has
60
kilometers
speed
limit
and
I
mean
I.
Give
you
that
they
design
of
the
intersections
is
different
and
there's
more
than
one
factor.
B
But
if
you
look
just
at
the
speed
factor,
there's
a
40%
higher
collision
rate
at
the
80
kilometer
zone
than
there
is
at
the
60
kilometer
zone
and
so
I
think
that
does
speak
to
the
concern
that
many
in
the
community
have.
As
you
know,
we
recently
in
the
last
year
or
two
opened
the
intersection
to
the
417
and
Hunt
Club
Road,
and
that
has
dramatically
increased
the
volume
of
traffic
on
that
roadway.
B
In
fact,
over
those
four
years
the
increase
has
been
8700
cars
per
day,
so
it's
now
up
to
twenty-one
thousand
cars
a
day
and
that
number
is
continuing
to
rise.
So
beyond
the
safety
issue
and
the
speed
issue,
there
is
a
volume
issue
and
there
is
an
issue
of
vibrations
for
the
homes
along
that
stretch
of
road.
B
So,
for
all
those
reasons,
and
because
of
the
overwhelming
number
of
of
my
constituents
have
who
have
continued
to
plead
to
have
this
small
stretch
of
roadway
have
their
speed
reduction
to
60
I'm,
bringing
it
forward
and
I
can
tell
you
last
fall.
I
joined
the
municipal
election
campaign.
The
mayor
and
I
heard
a
great
deal
about
this,
and
the
mayor
has
given
his
full
support
as
well
to
the
reduction
to
60,
so
I
know
we're
gonna
hear
from
one
of
my
constituents
who
isn't
an
agreement
with
that.
B
D
N
You
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
I
know:
we've
talked
about
this
before
I
just
wanted
to
share
the
committee
that
I'm
not
a
speed
demon
I'm,
not
the
guy
in
your
rear-view
mirror
tailgating.
If
I
feel
you're
going
too
slowly
I.
Consider
myself
an
average
driver.
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
16
years.
I've
raised
three
children
there.
N
They
in
fact
were
the
ones
that
encouraged
me
to
come
out
and
speak
because
when
they
heard
that
the
proposed
change
in
speed
limit
they've
said
they've
never
had
a
problem
with
that
my
wife
runs
day
care.
She
crosses
that
street
daily
to
go
to
the
Greenberg
Community
Center.
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
if
a
speed
limit
doesn't
reflect
the
reality
of
the
road
conditions,
it'll
simply
be
ignored.
People
that
do
try
to
do
the
speed
limit
will
cause
a
rolling
traffic
jam
and
it
works
both
ways.
N
N
60
seems
appropriate
around
Bank
Street
around
the
airport
Parkway
around
McCarthy,
but
the
stress
that
we're
talking
about
is
four-lane,
divided,
wide
shoulders
of
bike
lanes,
offset
sidewalks
and
well
lit
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
for
those
that
do
try
to
the
speed
limit
like
I,
do
they
will
cause
more
trouble
than
than
is
worth
that's
it
that's
my
presentation.
Okay,.
D
Well,
thank
you
for
coming
down.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
delegation?
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I,
don't
see
staff
at
the
table,
but
I
assume
they're
in
the
room
that
worked
with
that
councillor
Dean's.
So
just
one
quick
question
so
much
for
a
comment
in
a
direction
under
the
Public
Works
comment.
Mr.
D
D
B
B
D
H
Chair
you
have
forgiven,
so
it's
an
honest
mistake:
I
just
want
to
take
a
second
to
speak
of
this.
This
important
investment-
if
you
know
the
American
Embassy
close
to
chateau
laurier,
the
Cathedral,
we
just
completed
their
construction
along
with
Sussex
Drive
and
onsets
X.
There's
nice
wide
sidewalks,
nice
new
bike
lanes
and
on
one
side
of
the
embassy.
There's
there
was
the
improvement
to
the
previous
walls.
H
If
you
will
that
added
much
needed
space
and
welcome
to
to
our
community
and
now
we're
going
to
reflect
that
on
the
Mackenzie,
Avenue
and
I
want
to
highlight
the
work
of
slotko
and
his
team,
as
well
as
the
Emeka,
the
American
Embassy,
who
willing
partners
to
see
those
improvements
and
through
that
with
the
NCC
who
have
been
delightful
to
work
on
this
project.
For
for
that
improvement,
so
just
wanted
to
mention
the
efforts
of
the
stakeholders
in
our
wants
that
space
to
be
up
and
ready
ahead
of
2017
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair.
D
P
Yes,
Thank
You,
chair
I
would
like
to
prefer
this
inquiry,
and
just
so
that
were
clear
where
I'm
going
with
it.
As
some
of
my
colleagues
in
Council
flora
mentioned
that
the
importance
around
pedestrian
cycling
safety
really
is
about
what
we
can
do
to
prevent
it,
and
it's
about
not
having
roadside
memorials
and
not
having
ghost
bikes.
P
So
my
my
inquiry
is
what
I
hope
a
first
step
to
developing
a
policy
and
a
way
of
doing
annual
forensic
reviews
around
each
death
that
occurs
on
our
roadways
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
so
that
so
that
we
can
limit
them
as
as
best
we
can
so.
The
inquiry
I'll
skip
the
first
part,
because
I
did
just
just
sort
of
paraphrase
it,
but
I'm
asking
today
what
steps
have
already
been
taken
to
institute
annual
detailed
reviews
of
all
pedestrian
and
cyclist
collisions
in
Ottawa?
P
What
steps
must
be
taken
to
implement
engineering
or
other
changes
identified
in
those
reviews
that
may
enhance
safety
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists
and
avoid
future
collisions
or
fatalities,
and
also
asking
that
legal
legal
staff
at
the
same
time
provide
advice
on
the
format
that
this
can
be
released
in
with
respect
to
any
confidentiality
issues.
Thank.
H
You
mr.
chair
wheezes
follow
the
cease
winter
maintenance
quality
standards
articulates
that
the
priority
of
snow
clearing
on
each
individual
streets
sidewalk
is
based
on
the
roadway
classification
on
the
travel
surface.
This
creates
a
situation
where
some
sidewalks,
especially
in
the
core
or
under
maintain
for
the
level
of
pedestrians
usage
of
those
streets,
is
a.
H
D
G
So
that's
a
good
question.
So
what
if
you're
already
a
counselor
and
it's
election
time
again,
while
elections
actually
take
place
every
four
years,
so
I'm
a
counselor
for
a
four
year
period?
Our
last
election
took
place
and
my
good
friend
Jean
Cloutier,
which
is
he
said,
he's
a
newbie.
He
got
elected
in
class
of
2014.
We,
the
campaign
actually
starts
very
early.
It's
not
like
a
federal
election
where
it's
30
days
or
60
days.
G
We
actually
start
in
January
and
and
it's
hard
because,
if
you're
an
incumbent,
if
you're
running
again,
you've
got
to
keep
doing
all
the
things
you
have
to
do
for
your
ward
at
the
same
time,
getting
out
there
door
to
door
to
door
and
when
I
say
doors
I
went
to
well,
it
was
pretty
close
to
14,000
doors
in
my
in
my
ward
over
several
months
to
make
sure
I
spoke
to
people
and
got
their
feedback
which
helped
produce
my
platform.
Really
good
questions.
You
guys
are
talking
now
any
further
questions.
G
C
C
Here
today,
as
well
as
the
counselors
who
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
so
to
tell
you
a
bit
more
about
the
areas
of
the
city,
we
have
some
lovely
colleagues
who
are
here
to
speak
to
you
today.
Kathy
McGee
from
parks,
recreation
and
cultural
services
is
here
to
tell
you
all
about
the
volunteer
opportunities
that
the
city
offers
and
how
you
can
get
your
40
hours
of
volunteer
experience.
C
Kristine
Chevalier
from
the
Ottawa
Public
Library
will
talk
to
you
about
the
great
resources
and
programs
available
to
teams
at
your
local
library,
branch,
Phil,
Renault
and
Patty
ciccone
from
our
social
media
team
and
corporate
communications.
We're
here
to
talk
to
talk
to
you
about
briefly
about
our
social
media
presence
and
Kendra
Hobbs,
who
is
also
from
parks
in
Iraq
and
cultural
services.
Will
let
you
know
about
all
sorts
of
great
things
happening,
this
fall
and
winter
in
Ottawa.
C
S
S
We're
good
over
here,
you're,
okay!
Well,
you
still
want
to
sit
in
that
seat.
I
know,
I
hate
to
talk
behind
a
mic
and
I
know.
There's
a
lot
of
you
and
I
do
project
a
very
loud
voice,
but
I
will
stand
here,
but
I
will
move
around
a
bit.
So
if
you
can't
hear
me
put
your
hand
up
so
mano,
a
Cathy
McGee
edge
table,
I,
poor,
lad,
Xerox
nan
de
paz
de
la
ku,
I
work
for
Parks,
recreational
culture
and
I'm
sure
most
of
you,
the
youth,
are
thinking.
What
is
that
so?
S
Has
anybody
here
ever
gone
swimming
in
a
public
pool,
so
that's
part
of
our
parks,
rec
and
culture,
the
pools?
How
about
skating
on
an
outdoor
rink?
That's
parks
reckon
culture
how
about
going
to
Centrepointe,
theater
or
Shankman
there.
You
go
that's
parts
and
culture.
We
have
so
many
services.
We
have
over
55
community
centers
30
pools
two
theaters.
We
have
museums
and
the
list
goes
on
and
what
I'm
going
to
tell
you
right
now:
I'm,
not
gonna,
go
into
too
much
detail.
There
are
two
sheets,
one
French,
one
English.
S
So,
on
that
bus
with
that
and
for
the
youth
and
listen
to
this,
the
youth
will
pick
them
up.
Not
the
parents
right
parents
right
so
the
youth
they're
gonna
pick.
These
are
all
the
opportunities
that
we
have
at
the
city,
so
it's
in
French
and
in
English
and
all
the
contact
information
for
the
departments
that
engage
volunteers.
So
we
have
parks,
wreckin
culture.
We
have
special
needs.
S
We
have
the
tree-planting,
Public
Works
public
health,
so
the
list
goes
on
so
I'm,
not
gonna
only
have
ten
minutes
and
I
could
be
here
for
an
hour
going
through
this,
so
I
will
leave
those
with
you
as
well.
We
also
have
the
youth
city
connect
connection
even
and
it's
a
youth
mentorship
program
for
youth
ages,
15
to
30,
and
it
gives
you
the
opportunity
to
sit
with
a
staff
member
that
we
will
match
you
with.
S
S
How
many
parents
here
have
started
nagging
the
youth
about
doing
their
40
hours
come
on,
be
honest,
I
knew
it.
So
the
majority
of
the
parents
that
are
here
I
know
that
you're
going
to
let
the
youth
go
forward
and
get
that
secured
their
volunteer
placement,
because
the
whole
point
of
the
40
hours
is
for
them
to
get
some
experience
and
get
out
and
make
some
connections
and
make
that
phone
call
and
for
the
youth
I
know
how
hard
it
is
to
make
that
phone
call
and
say
hi.