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Transportation Committee - April 27, 2023
B
B
All
right,
our
amazing
committee
coordinator
for
her
first
Transportation
committee
meeting,
has
told
me
we're
good
to
go
so
here
we
go
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
today's
Transportation
committee
meeting
we're
on
the
unseated
territory
of
the
anishabi
nation.
That
being
said,
at
this
point,
I'll
ask
our
committee
coordinator
to
do
a
quick
roll
call.
E
D
B
B
B
F
Whereas
the
response
to
inquiry-
OCC
2211
from
counselor
Brockington
on
Maryvale
Road,
was
not
approved
for
release
prior
to
the
publishing
of
the
agenda
for
the
April
27
2023
Transportation
committee
meeting
and
whereas
the
intention
is
to
list
this
inquiry
response
on
the
April
27
2023
Transportation
committee
agenda,
therefore
be
it
resolve
that
the
response
to
inquiry.
Pcc
2211
from
councilor
Brockington
on
maraville
road
be
listed
on
the
April
27
2023
Transportation
committee
agenda,
foreign.
B
So
on
that
motion
is
that
motion
carried
carried?
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone.
Moving
on
to
5.1
the
bar
Haven
Light
Rail
environmental
assessment
study,
the
revised
alignment
of
Woodruff
Avenue.
We
do
have
a
delegation
so
we'll
hold
that
item
item
5.2,
huntmar,
Drive,
widening
and
Stittsville
Main
Street
Extension
environmental
assassin
assessment
to
study
recommendations.
We
have
we
have
no
delegations
on
this
item.
Does
anyone
see
the
need
to
hold
this
item,
or
is
this
item
carried?
B
Thank
you
very
much
item
6.1
the
processing
center
for
ASC,
the
automated
speed
enforcement
processing
center.
There's
no
delegations
on
this
one.
We
do
have
a
direction
to
staff,
though,
and
we
had
a
great
discussion:
counselor
where's,
your
baseball
cap.
We
had
a
great
great
discussion
this
morning
about
this
and
I.
Think
he's
pleasantly
surprised
us
have
a
couple
of
questions.
B
We
want
to
ensure
that
we're
open
and
transparent
about
our
ASE
program
and
how
it's
going
to
operate
and
we've
been
informed
that
there
will
be
a
open
data
feed,
providing
the
information
to
people
and
application
developers
increasing
our
data
sets
within
the
city,
but
counselor
divide
did
have
a
question
in
regards
to
it.
I
believe
so
feel
free.
If
you
want
to
just
quickly
ask
your
question
now
we
can
deal
with
this
item
and
if
no
one
wants
to
hold
it,
we
can
carry
it
otherwise,
we'll
hold
it
for
questions.
G
Thank
you,
chair
and
yeah.
There's
there's
a
chair
between
us
Phil.
Hopefully,
nothing
else,
though
so
yeah
so
I
had
a
direction
to
staff.
That
was
all
to
inquire
about
the
possibility
of
getting
quarterly
reporting
on
these
ASC
cameras,
and
the
motive
behind
my
request
was
not
at
all
to
put
any
kind
of
obstacle
or
task
before
staff
that
would
seek
to
challenge
ASE
placements.
G
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
it,
but
I
also
know
that
many
people
in
the
community,
you
know,
have
doubts
about
AOC
camera
placements
and
see
them,
as
you
know,
nothing,
but
a
cash
grab,
and
therefore-
and
so
the
reason
I
had
been
looking
for
the
kind
of
quarterly
reporting
we
were
seeking
was
so
that
we
could
use
that
as
a
tool
to
transparently
and
simply
put
out
to
the
city
to
our
community.
These
these
cameras
are
extremely
effective.
G
We
know
from
from
police
that
they
are
the
most
effective
means
of
of
interceding
with
with
Speeders
and
when
I
pee
people.
You
know
in
the
community
saying
why?
Don't
you
just
hire
more
cops?
These
things
aren't
effective.
The
kinds
of
questions
I'd
been
looking
for,
the
kind
of
data
reporting
I've
been
looking
for
in
my
Quarry
was
seek
that
I
could
just
say:
here's
here's,
the
narrative
that
is
really
going
on,
and
so,
while
I
recognize
that
open
data
will
allow
anyone
to
just
go
out
there
and
search
for
stuff.
G
That's
not
the
same
thing
as
as
framing
a
narrative
through
a
report,
a
request
for
a
report
that
is
meant
to
reinforce
my
belief,
which
is
that
they
are
a
good
thing,
and
so,
while
I
recognize
that
so
I
guess
the
question
I
want
to
ask
to.
You
is
knowing
that
any
kind
of
reporting
from
you
in
this
manner
would
put
would
put
work
on
on
your
table,
and
this
might
not
be
the
kind
of
question
that
staff
asks.
G
If
do
you
think
it
might
be
reasonable
to
assume
that
having
the
kind
so
just
for
for
people
to
know
the
kind
of
reporting
that
we
had
been
looking
for
was
on
a
quarterly
basis
to
provide
both
performative
and
financial
metrics,
which
are
to
include
evaluating
a
the
number
of
tickets
accrued
at
specific
ASE
camera
placements
B?
The
most
common
days
and
times
where
tickets
were
issued
C,
whether
or
not
there
has
been
an
average
speed
reduction
at
these
placements
and
d.
G
Whether
or
not
the
implementation
of
AOC
cameras
has
resulted
in
fewer
reported
incidents
of
speeding
in
the
targeted
area,
in
other
words,
data.
That
would
help
me
say
to
the
community
and
I
assume
that
these
reports
would
be
accessible
by
the
media
and
the
community
could
see
and
the
media
could
report,
and
we
could
tell
our
those
of
us
who
doubt-
and
those
of
us
who
do
not
doubt
could
tell
our
constituents
these
things
work.
G
Having
open
data
means
people
got
to
go,
look
for
the
success
stories,
so
I
guess.
My
question
to
you
is:
if
our
goal
is
advancing
this
technology
as
the
best
wage
of
mitigating
and
speeding,
would
what
we
could
collect
and
the
narrative
we
could
tell,
through
this
reporting,
Be
an
Effective
tool
in
helping
to
promote
the
value
and
the
efficiency
of
these
ASE
cameras,
as
opposed
to
just
finding
that
data
through
Bob
in
his
basement,
searching
on
the
internet.
H
H
But
it's
probably
like
a
one
pager
with
the
location
with
some
stats
and
some
information
and
and
and
that
will
be
a
plan,
but
for
folks
that
were
interested
in
more
details,
they
could
go
to
open
data
and
get
that
information
as
well.
We
do
have
currently
on
open
data,
the
number
of
tickets
that
are
issued
per
location,
so
that's
already
available
on
site,
as
well
as
the
locations
of
the
cameras
and
when
we
add
more
cameras
which
we
plan
to
do
this
year.
G
With
the
understanding
that,
in
addition
to
the
open
data
being
available
to
all
that,
you're
going
to
have
the
dashboard
per
per
placement,
even
though
the
dashboard
will
report
these
same
things
only
on
an
annual
basis,
as
opposed
to
a
quarterly
basis,
I'm
satisfied
with
that
chair
and
I
I
applaud
and
I
appreciate
the
extra
work
you're
going
to
put
into
the
program
to
get
that
information
available
to
the
public.
So
I
withdraw
my
direction.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
Devine
and
I
really
enjoy
working
with
you.
I
do
see
some
hands
up,
but
this
is
just
agenda
clearing.
So
sorry,
if
folks,
if
did
you
want
this
item
held
for
discussion?
Great
so
we'll
hold
the
item
and
go
back
to
that
so,
but
at
this
point
we
do
have
delegations
I
do
want
to
also
acknowledge
the
fact
that
that
councilor
DeRose
is
now
joined
us
online.
There
were
some
technical
challenges,
but
he
is
here.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us
counselor
Drews.
B
G
B
So
you
want
to
dissent,
yes,
okay.
The
dissent
is
noted,
we'll
go
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
item
because
we
do
have
a
delegation
that
is
here
today.
So
the
first
item
that
is
up
is
the
realignment
of
the
barhaven
light
rail,
environmental
assessment,
revised
alignment
and
I
do
believe
we
do
have
a
delegation
that
is
online
at
this
point.
J
E
J
K
B
B
J
Absolutely
it's
just
you
know:
I
wanted
to
thank
staff.
It
was
really
insightful
to
see
how
Ottawa
compared
to
other
municipalities.
It
was
actually
shocking
to
see
that
in
many
other
municipalities
they
don't
even
have
timelines
for
when
they
clear
major
roads,
even
or
sidewalks
I
think
you
know
once
again
I'm
so
used
to
getting
those
emails
about.
You
know
people
having
negative
experiences
with
our
so
clearing
Crews
that
this
was
really
helpful.
My
question
is,
you
know,
having
seen
all
this
seeing
that
Ottawa
comes
out,
you
know
Above
and
Beyond.
J
In
many
cases,
I
do
know
that
staff
are
working
and
continue
to
be
working
and
are
providing
some
insight
through
the
winter
maintenance
standards
report.
That's
coming
down
that
we
can
anticipate
that
there
might
be
even
additional
improvements.
I
just
wanted
to
know.
I
see
Clinton's
on
the
line
here.
K
K
In
addition
to
that,
most
certainly
what
we've
heard
through
our
public
delegations
as
well
in
consultation,
sorry,
was
a
really
priority
and
focus
on
our
active
Transportation.
So
all
things
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward
with
the
report
and
recommendations
for
as
a
result
of
a
review
of
our
winter
maintenance
quality
standards
and
most
certainly,
this
information
that
we
gathered
most
recently
is
going
to
be
most
helpful
in
feeding
into
that.
K
J
Once
again,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
staff
who
put
this
together
and
also
to
shout
out
to
our
teams,
like
our
snow
winter,
road
crews
out
there
because
they're,
the
ones
that
are
delivering
on
these
standards.
You
know,
I
grew
up,
grew
up
in
Kitchener
and
if
you
didn't
shovel
your
own
sidewalk,
you
got
a
fine
right
and
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
that
here.
In
Ottawa,
I
was
shocked
when
I
came
to
Ottawa
and
I
realized.
Oh
my
gosh.
J
This
gets
done
for
me,
so
we
have
an
incredibly
good
in
the
city
and
we're
only
going
to
get
better
so
I
wanted
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
that,
and
this
was
really
interesting
to
see
so
anyway.
Thank
you,
chair
for
letting
me
commandeer
the
last
couple
minutes,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
to
just
ask
that
question.
B
Thank
you,
councilor,
dudas
and
I.
Think
we
all
Echo
your
comments
and
thank
you.
Quentin
and
your
team
26
snow
events,
27
snow
events,
wood
chippers
out
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
been
goat
Rodeo
for
the
last
little.
While
so
I
appreciate
everything
you
guys
are
doing,
I
I
know
I
always
come
up
with
these
one-liners
all
right.
So
back
on
to
the
agenda,
we're
going
to
the
the
the
bar
Haven
Light
Rail
environmental
assessment
study,
revised
alignment.
We
do
have
a
delegation.
B
There
is
a
presentation
but
I
think
we're
all
pretty
read
up
on
this
one.
So
committee:
do
you
need
to
see
a
presentation
today,
or
should
we
just
go
right
to
the
delegation?
Okay,
great?
So
we
have
the
delegation
online
today
and
look
forward
to
to
hearing
from
our
delegation.
We
have
Peggy
rafter
Peggy.
L
Good
morning,
hello,
my
name
is
Peggy
rafter
and
I'm,
an
acorn
member
and
have
been
a
resident
of
Manor
Village
for
over
30
years,
tenants
of
Manor
Village
formed
a
tenant
Union
through
acorn
in
the
summer
of
2020.,
in
response
to
the
city's
original
plans
to
demolish
their
homes
for
stage
3
LRT.
After
nearly
two
years
of
persistent
actions
and
discussions
with
City
staff
and
council
members,
Acorn
members
were
very
happy
to
see
the
city
make
the
decision
to
redirect
the
LRT
in
order
to
maintain
the
existing
housing.
L
However,
that
excitement
was
soon
overshadowed
by
Smart
Living,
the
property
owner
of
at
Manor
Village,
who
issued
mass
and
13
eviction
notice
to
tenants
just
days
before
the
city
reached
out
to
inform
Acorn
about
their
decision.
The
eviction
notices
were
given
to
tenants,
so
that's
smart
living
can
do
unnecessary,
Renovations
out
of
the
111
households
that
make
up
Manor
Village.
Only
nine
of
the
original
households
remain,
while
Manor
Village
Acorn
members
asked
committee
members
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
new
route
for
stage
3
LRT.
That
does
not
displace
tenants.
L
We
also
want
to
express
our
extreme
disappointment
that
this
is
coming
too
late
when
Council
voted
to
redirect
the
plans
for
the
LRT.
It
specifically
did
this
with
the
purpose
to
eliminate
the
displacement
of
tenants
and
consequently
prevent
the
loss
of
low
cut
low-cost
housing
units
over
90
percent
of
those
low-cost
housing
units
have
already
been
lost
because
of
Smart
Living
and
forums.
L
Predatory
renovation
tactics,
the
once
modest
multi-generational
family
homes
have
been
transformed
into
expensive
student
housing.
The
renovations
in
Manor
Village
could
have
been
prevented.
This
is
why
Acorn
members
are
calling
on
the
city
to
introduce
a
renovation
bylaw
similar
to
the
cities
of
New
Westminster
that
was
later
adopted
by
the
province
of
BC,
the
bylaw
licenses
landlords.
The
licensing
system
works
as
an
effective
ban
on
Renovations,
because
it
takes
any
Financial
incent
of
landlords
have
to
renovate
tenants.
This
is
done
by
providing
clear
requirements.
L
G
G
So
I
do
want
to
offer
my
my
apology,
along
with
my
sympathy
and
my
understanding,
Peggy
I,
think
a
lot
of
people
in
at
Council
and
in
your
community
had
been
happy
when
we
saw
the
results
of
the
diversion
of
the
track
away
from
Manor
Village.
But
as
we,
you
know
heard
from
you
and
we
know
quite
well.
The
people
who
have
benefited
most
from
the
diversion
have
been
Smart
Living.
The
value
of
their
land
has
gone
up.
G
It
was
certainly
I
mean
you
and
I
can
talk
offline.
An
unfortunate
series
of
timing
of
having
a
change
in
our
director
of
housing
so
lost
time
there
and
trying
to
get
an
organized
approach,
but
all
that
to
say
Peggy
I
do
support.
I
know
this
is
not
the
topic
for
today,
but
I
do
support,
trying
to
get
some
kind
of
action
about
a
renovation
bylaw
similar
to
what
other
cities
have
and
I
hope.
G
B
M
B
I
Yep
thanks
chair
yeah
reading
of
the
report.
The
line
that
stood
out
for
me
is:
is
there
was
a
line
about
this
leg
of
LRT
stage?
Three
is
not
within
the
current
affordable
plan
and
that
we
do
need
100
funding
from
senior
levels
of
government
and
this
stage
out
to
barhaven
the
full
stage
is
over
four
billion
dollars.
I
I
think
colleagues
are
aware:
I've
suggested
that
we
should
be
considering
brt
as
an
alternative
to
LRT
I.
Think
we're
going
to
need
to
study
the
pros
and
cons,
and
you
know
it
may
not
be
the
right
solution,
but
I
think
it's
something
we
need
to
look
at.
So
what
I
wanted
to
ask
staff
was
with
this
new
alignment.
Was
there
any
examination
of
its
adaptability
for
brt,
or
was
that
was
that
considered
at
all
as
part
of
this
EA?
M
E
I
Okay,
if
in
the
future,
this
is
a
very
big
hypothetical
Council
were
to
decide
that
a
brt
is
a
preferred
solution
from
an
environmental
assessment
perspective.
Would
this
mean
reopening
and
completely
restarting
the
environmental
assessment,
or
is
there
a
a
simpler
process
using
the
current
EA?
Could
the
could
the
current
EA
just
be
adapted
or
or
revised
in
some
way.
N
Thank
you
Frank
and
through
the
chair,
the
answer
would
be
yes,
there
would
be
an
addendum
process
that
would
have
to
be
followed
and
it
would
be
following
a
motion
of
counsel,
the
broader
issue
of.
Should
this
be
LRT.
Should
this
be
brt,
that's
really
something
that
would
be
looked
at
at
the
master.
Transportation
master
plan
planning
process.
B
B
We
don't
have
any
delegations
and
I
will
ask
members
of
committee
if
they
do
have
questions
to
restrict
it
just
to
the
processing
center
at
locations
and
other
things
we
determine
in
December
when
it
comes
to
budget
time.
That's
when
we
talk
about
the
number
of
cameras
and
where
they
go
I'm.
Looking
on
the
board
here,
I
don't
see
any
hands.
Oh
there
we
go
thanks,
Ariel,
so
counselor
troster.
O
Hi
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
so
much
staff
for
such
an
exhaustive
report.
You
certainly
made
the
case
that
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
Revenue
generation
for
our
city.
I
was
just
curious
that,
in
terms
of
anticipated
revenue,
is
there
a
requirement
around
where
that
revenue
is
invested
once
we
receive
it?
Is
it
pinned
to
specific
projects
like
parking
revenue?
Is.
P
Thank
you
for
the
question
through
you
chair
in
2021,
when
the
automated
speed
enforcement
program
was
approved
by
Council,
there
was
a
recommendation
that
was
approved
as
well.
That
would
have
all
of
the
revenue
net
revenue
from
the
automated
speed
enforcement
program
directed
to
the
road
safety
Reserve
fund,
so
it'll
be
reinvested
in
the
items
that
are
identified
as
part
of
the
annual
Road
Safety
Action
Plan.
O
O
P
G
Thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
a
question
about
possible
gaps
in
future
processing
center
or
a
concern
about
fold
over
from
the
current
state.
I
am
definitely
in
support
of
the
program
and
the
the
move
to
the
processing
question
processing
center.
In
in
reading
the
report
on
it,
there
was
mention
that
in
the
current
Toronto
processing
center
we
only
process
I
can't
remember
the
percentage,
but
not
a
hundred
percent.
G
G
So
it's
not
so
much
a
question
of
do
I
get
do
I
still
get
debited
400
for
my
account.
Whatever
the
fee
is,
but
I
guess.
My
question
is:
if
does
it
appear
on
my
record
that
I
have
not
paid
my
fine
and
therefore,
when
I
go
to
renew
my
license?
For
example,
it
looks
like
I
am
delinquent
in
paying
a
fine,
so
what
happens
to
those
unprocessed
tickets
at
Toronto.
G
B
Terrific
question
and
you
could
see
the
necessity
of
this.
The
program
is
unfortunately
successful.
We
don't
actually
want
to
issue
speeding
tickets
I
think
that's
the
opposite
of
what
we
want
to
do,
but
it
definitely
is
a
working
program.
They'll,
give
us
much
more
opportunity
to
process
those
tickets
and,
on
top
of
that,
give
us
opportunities
for
other
municipalities
to
tap
into
the
service
that
will
provide
that
won't
cost
taxpayers
any
money,
councilor
Derose.
Q
I,
don't
I
always
see
them
as
a
cash
club
and
I
see
another
opportunity
for
us
to
build
a
new
Financial
entity
to
get
more
money
from
the
and
I
I
put
the
safety
I,
rather
that
money
personally
goes
to
Ops
and
rather
see
more
policing
in
our
communities.
And
that's
this
is
my.
These
are
my
own
opinion,
and
this
is
how
I
feel
about
it.
But
I
have
also
a
question
we
don't.
Q
Q
B
J
I
think,
frankly,
it'd
be
better
if
we
weren't
getting
any
money
out
of
this
at
all,
but
I
think
the
reason
why
I
really
do
support
this
processing
plant
here
in
Ottawa
is
because
it
bothered
me
more
than
anything
to
know
that
one
person
driving
through
this
area
is
going
to
get
a
ticket
and
then
the
next
person
driving
through
this
area,
both
of
them
speaking
same
rate,
will
not
so
out
of
a
level
of
fairness.
That
was
missing
because
we
would
be
missing
the
opportunity
to
process
everyone
fairly.
J
They
have
the
distressing
to
use
common
sense
and
human
nature
when
pulling
someone
over
that's
my
personal
opinion
on
this,
but
I
do
see
the
necessity
to
have
this
facility
here
in
Ottawa,
instead
of
sending
that
to
Toronto
for
fairness,
sake
and
for
the
other
aspect
you
mentioned
chair
about
having
other
municipalities
send
their
tickets
to
us.
My
only
question
to
staff
was
I
do
know
the
money
does
go
through,
and
safety
fund
I
would
really
love
to
know-
and
forgive
me
I
know-
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
past.
J
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
delve
into
every
aspect
of
that
funding
where
the
money
goes
to
I.
Do
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
we're
investing
that
money
we're
doing
so
for
improving
the
engine,
we
need
making
sure
that
permanent
infrastructure
changes
to
our
roads
actually
slow
people
down
so
they're
not
getting
tickets.
It's
not
punitive
measures.
J
It's
productive,
proactive
measures
that
permanently
change
our
street
states
to
make
it
safer
for
all
users,
but
also
potentially,
the
consideration
they're
looking
at
chair
kits
here
for
for
inclusion
of
funding
towards
Ottawa
Public
Health,
which
does
an
incredible
amount
of
work
in
proactive
measures,
for
you
know
walking
to
school
and
healthy
means
of
active
Transportation.
So
I
really
do
want
to
look
into
that
fund
more
so
to
see
if
we
can
proactively
educate
people
on
the
benefits
of
staying
slow
in
our
communities
and
keeping
other
users
of
our
roads
in
mind
when
driving.
J
B
C
Thank
you,
counselor.
Thank
you,
chair
brother,
at
the
risk
of
further
harping
on
the
program
yeah.
Some
of
those
opinions
are
are
pretty
similar
to
to
My
Views
and
I,
and
I
do
believe
that
permanent
measures
about
actually
slow
the
street
down
rather
than
punishing
people
are,
are
more
effective,
but
we
have
to
work
with
what
we
have
do.
We
is
it
fair
to
assume
that
we
currently
pay
to
pay
some
sort
of
fee
to
use
the
processing
center
in
Toronto.
P
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Through
you
chair,
there
is
no
additional
fee
to
process
through
the
city
of
Toronto.
It's
a
cost-sharing
agreement.
All
the
participating
municipalities
pay
their
share
of
the
costs
for
running
the
service,
based
on
the
number
of
charges
that
are
processed
on
a
quarterly
basis
for
each
of
the
different
municipalities.
So
we
anticipate
running
our
program
in
the
same
way.
Thank.
C
You
and
I,
you
know,
there's
there's
talk
of
deploying
a
similar,
automated
speed
enforcement
in
some
surrounding
municipalities,
smaller
municipalities
that
surround
Ottawa
so
I.
Are
there
any
opportunities
for
us
to
kind
of
share
our
facilities
whatever
we
we
build,
share
our
facilities
with,
say,
Kingston,
Cornwall,
smaller
counties
and
all
and
all
that.
P
R
P
P
S
R
What
would
be,
what
would
be
a
percentage
of
that
so
I
guess
what
I'm
seeing
here
is
like
100
Administration
by
the
city
of
Ottawa,
of
which
we
collect
a
significant
portion
of
Revenue
and
and
yeah
again.
I
share
views
here
that
we
it's
money.
We
we
don't
want
we'd
rather
have
compliance,
so
we
have
100
of
the
administration
and
then
the
province
collects
I'm
sure
millions
of
dollars
through
this
to
to
find
what
likely
is
a
an
important
program
but
they're
not
contributing
to
any
any
assistance
in
administering
this
program.
Right.
R
S
R
S
R
Yeah
sure
follow
up
on
that.
Obviously
we,
you
know
very
touchy,
subject
our
relationship
with
the
promise
and
I
don't
want
to
to
hurt
that
in
any
way.
But
you
know
we
want
to
have
a
positive
relationship
with
them
and
when
I
see
a
program
like
this,
that
we're
doing
100
of
the
administration
and
I
I
do
understand
better
in
terms
of
what
kind
of
commitments
we
have
with
the
timelines
for
payment
and
again
I'd
be
interested
in
that.
Thank
you
thanks
chair.
That's.
B
It
thank
you
counselors,
seeing
no
further
questions.
I
did
want
to
thank
our
amazing
staff.
There's
a
couple
big
benefits
out
of
this.
Actually,
by
the
way,
aside
from
the
fact
we'll
be
able
to
OSS
everybody
on
an
equitable
basis,
I
think
is
very
important.
The
fact
that
we
actually
have
bonded
people
that
take
chain
of
custody
of
the
chips
and
drive
them
all
the
way
to
Toronto
to
process
them
to
visually
ID
them
and
do
the
ticketing
and
put
them
out
takes
a
lot
of
time.
B
So
we've
all
heard
his
counselors
when
people
get
four
or
five
tickets
in
a
row,
that's
going
to
reduce
that
time
and
we're
working.
Thank
you
Phil
for
the
great
work
in
your
teams
on
assessing
things
even
quicker,
so
people
will
learn
bad
made.
A
mistake
should
slow
down
in
these
areas
a
big
benefit
plus
the
fact
is
municipality,
we'll
be
able
to
take
that
money
and
again
a
quick
reminder.
It
doesn't
go
into
General
revenues.
This
goes
back
into
making
our
streets
safer
and
that's
what
we
all
want.
So
on
this
item.
B
Is
this
item
carried
and
a
noted
dissent
by
counselor
Drews
looking
at
the
rest
of
the
agenda?
There's
a
no
in-camera
items
we
do
have
the
ipd
that's
listed
within
the
agenda,
see
no
one
wanting
to
lift
that
very
fun.
Public
works
department
file,
I'll
move
on
to
we
have
motions
which
notice
there
were
previously
given.
We
do
have
the
speed
reduction
to
40
kilometers
an
hour
on
Woodruff
Avenue
between
Richmond
Road
and
Carling
Avenue.
B
J
I
just
had
a
question
for
City
staff:
I
love
that
we're
going
to
re-look
at
how
to
make
sidewalks
more
accessible
for
all
users.
I
think
this
is
a
great
motion
for
that
respect.
My
only
question
was
the
last
therefore
be
resolved.
It's
asking
for
a
consultation
element
with
a
counselor
and
I'm
asking
staff.
Is
it
appropriate
for
counselors
to
be
consulted
out
but
influencing
permanent
infrastructure
like
sidewalks,
when
staff
are
pointedly
designing,
sidewalks
to
be
compliant
with
provincial
regulations
and
laws.
B
B
J
Yeah
no
I
was
just
to
be
clear.
I
said
I
want
to
support
this
motion.
I
just
had
a
question.
We
know
that
the
province
dictates
so
many
things
about
what
we
do
through
highway.
Traffic
acts
and
Design
Elements
aoda
requires
accessibility
requirements,
so
my
question
was
the
last
airport
resolve
specifically
asks
for
counselors
to
be
consulted
on
sidewalk
designs
and
before
construction.
My
question
to
you
is:
is
this
appropriate
for
counselors
to
be
involved
in
that
aspect
of
the
conversation?
T
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question
chair,
councilor
you're,
absolutely
right.
We,
our
guidelines
and
our
standards,
follow
the
Ontario
provincial
standards.
Having
said
that,
we
have
the
ability
to
make
some
modifications
based
on
our
build
environments,
so
our
sidewalk
standards
actually
adopt
one
particular
cyborg
standard,
but
we
also
have
an
option
b.
T
We
call
it
it's
a
second
option
that
we
can
use,
depending
on
what
the
situation
of
the
neighborhood
where
we
are
putting
down
a
sidewalk
is
we
also
have
the
ability
to
go
to
a
special
situation
if
technically,
the
standards
that
we
have
in
place
do
not
meet
the
needs
of
that
particular
community.
So,
while
we
follow
engineering
standards
and
regulations
and
we
need
to
stay
within
also
accessibility,
guidelines
and
commitment
means,
we
do
have
some
level
of
flexibility
and
consultation
with
the
community
and
the
world.
T
Counselors
is
important
for
us
to
get
it
right
and
counselors
know
the
community.
They
understand
their
needs.
They
understand
what
the
challenges
of
that
Community
can
be
so
between
the
community
needs
and
our
standards
and
our
engineering
analysis.
We
can
maybe
make
modifications,
so
consultation
is
appropriate,
actually
something
that
we
do
and
I
think.
The
emotion
is
just
speaking
about
maybe
enhancing
that
consultation
to
make
sure
that
all
counselors
and
communities
are
involved
in
the
decision
making.
Oh.
J
O
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
thank
you
so
much
Karina
that
is
really
helpful.
I
was
happy
to
move
this
forward
on
cancer
Menard's
behalf
I
know
in
my
own
Ward
there's
certain
Corners,
where
there's
three
or
four
community
housing
buildings
with
a
lot
of
accessible
units
that
are
clustered
together.
So
if
there's
a
strong
demand
from
those
residents
for
a
preference
on
sidewalk
configuration
and
we
can
accommodate
them,
I
think
it's
great
to
have
that
opportunity.
O
We
have
a
lot
of
dense
housing
downtown,
so
we
do
have
huge
accessibility
issues,
also
with
snow
clearing
and
sidewalks,
and
the
way
that
that
those
curbs
work
so
I
just
hope.
We
can
discuss
more
Creative
Solutions
in
conjunction
with
the
two
designs
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
So
thank
you
councilman
on
for
putting
this
forward
and
thank
you
Karina
for
being
so
accommodating.
U
Sir,
thank
you
so
much
chair
and
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thanks
to
council
troster
for
putting
this
forward
when
Road
reconstruction
comes
up
and
often
that
occurs,
counselors
will
regularly
hear
from
residents
about
the
potential
design
of
the
sidewalk.
It's
generally
accepted
that
sidewalks
look
to
remain
flat
where
we
can,
for
the
benefit
of
pedestrians,
but
to
provide
access
to
driveways.
U
So
at
this
time,
both
designs
meet
City
standards
for
sidewalks,
with
some
exceptions,
but
the
ramp
style
is
preferred
for
residential
streets
in
in
in
redesign
residents.
Have
some
you
know,
views
about
both
Styles
and
then
the
last
consultation
I
think
it
came
back
sort
of
50
50
of
what
they
preferred
in
our
in
our
area
of
town.
Ramp
style
tends
to
cause
a
bit
more
frustrations,
as
many
of
us
I
must
become
more
hazardous
or
concerns
in
winter,
with
those
slips
and
Falls
and
so
to
address
sidewalk
design.
U
So
we
think
it
makes
sense
for
the
city
to
review
this
style
of
sidewalk
as
well,
and-
and
obviously
this
was
the
standard
back
in
the
1990s
when
new
developments
were
occurring
in
areas
like
barhaven,
and
so
we
use
this
type
of
design
at
Lansdowne
Park
on
Homewood
Avenue,
we've
we've
had
that
flat.
Sidewalk
with
metal
occurs
for
driveway
access
in
other
cities
like
Hamilton,
they've,
implemented
forms
of
mannerable
curbs
to
remain
flat
and
level
for
services.
Second,
the
motion
since
the
ramp
style
and
traditional
style
sidewalks,
usually
meet
City
standards.
U
We
want
to
ensure
there's
some
flexibility
in
design,
obviously
based
on
feedback
from
residents
in
that
consultation,
in
that
Carina
and
counselor
dudas
was
speaking
about,
and
so
this
motion
will
not
change.
City
policy.
We're
not
looking
to
do
that
right
now.
It
will
simply
add
an
additional
style
of
sidewalk
to
be
included
in
the
upcoming
review.
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That
staff
were
doing
and
it'll
allow
for
just
greater
discussion
about,
what's
what's
appropriate
and
based
on
the
last
I
guess
feedback
where
it
kind
of
came
back,
50
50
on
what
people
prefer
or
their
concerns
about
them.
It's
I
think
a
good
idea
to
add
a
third
option
in
there.
So,
in
the
end,
our
hope
is
just
to
have
standards
and
processes
that
help
ensure
we
build
the
most
usable
and
welcoming
streets
we
can
and,
of
course
chair.
You
know,
sidewalk
serve
the
needs
of
pedestrians,
they
serve
the
needs
of
people
with
mobility
issues.
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B
B
B
R
Thanks
chair,
sorry,
it's
a
follow-up
to
the
to
to
the
presentation
we
had
on
on
the
payment
processing.
What
are
the
pre
and
staff
had
committed
to
to
do
this,
but
I
do
want
it
as
part
of
the
record
of
this
committee,
what
are
the
provincial
payment
requirements
and
remittance
timelines
for
the
victim
surcharge
fee
under
the
automated
speed
enforcement
program?
Thank
you,
chair
great.