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A
No
I
can
try
and
take
notes
while
we
go
along.
A
Okay,
next
up,
do
we
have
any
new
faces,
I,
don't
think
I
see
any
new
faces.
A
A
Okay.
In
that
case,
then
we
will
move
on
because
I
think
that
this
is
effectively
standing
approved.
It
just
needs
approval
from
stack
maintainers.
Next
up
we
have
decoupled
dependencies
from
build
packs.
I'm.
Sorry
I
was
out
last
week,
but
yeah
I.
A
Haven't
had
a
ton
of
time
to
work
on
this,
but
I
also
haven't
seen
anything
huge
I
need
to
go
back
and
just
give
all
these
comments,
a
quick
reread
make
sure
that
I've
actually
addressed
everything,
so
I
will
hopefully
be
able
to
get
to
do
that
next
week
been
a
little
busy
any
questions
here.
A
Awesome
multi-arch
build
packs,
Jericho
hey
there.
B
Yeah
no
I
just
think
it
would
be
great
to
get
some
input
from
steering
committee
on
how
they
want
to
move
forward
et
cetera
or
if
they,
if
there's
anything,
that
I
need
to
be
adding
to
the
RC.
A
Yeah,
okay,
I
will
I
will
take
a
look
at
this
and
I'll
ask
Dan
makuza
take
another
look
at
this.
A
Unfortunately,
Rob
is
currently
moving
and
will
not
be
back
until
like
June
20th
at
the
earliest,
so
any
feedback
that
you
would
want
from
him
or
need
to
address
from
him
we'll
have
to
wait
until
then,
but
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
that
any
of
his
stuff
is
blocking.
So
we
could
probably
continue
to
move
forward
with
that.
In
the
meantime,
I'll
take
a
look
and
I'll
ping
Dan
to
take
a
look
at
this.
A
And
then
finally
add
bionic
end
of
support
RFC.
This
is
done
and
it's
approved
by
everyone
that
it
should
be
approved
by
just
have
not
had
the
chance
to
go
in
and
just
merge
this
and
do
the
minutia
that
is
required
for
that.
So
I
will
get
that
done.
Hopefully
this
afternoon.
A
C
Hey
I
just
wanted
to
to
ask
actually
about
the
proposal
to
publish
so
it's
number
268..
C
Was
there
any
progress
recently
on
on
that
topic?
I
even
looked
at
it
myself
closely,
I
guess
this
question
is
for
you
Jericho.
B
Sorry
progress
in
terms
of
like
me
creating
some
more
like
test
cases
or
like
what
are
we
looking
for.
B
Yeah
I
have
a
builder
the
only
thing
I
don't
have
is
I
haven't
gone
through
and
like
used
it
to
create
I'll
charge,
build
packs,
so
yeah
I
mean
I,
haven't
made
any
progress
on
that
front
and
I
was
hoping
to
get
some
more
input
from
the
steering
committee
on.
You
know
if
that's
valuable,
if
that
is
valuable,
and
that's
what's
going
to
help
the
drive
kind
of
drive
the
conversation
and
move
it
forward.
I
can
do
that
I,
just
I,
don't
know.
A
Of
the
questions
that
I
have
about
this
is:
would
this
track
of
work
be
facilitated
by
the
stack
removal
RFC
currently
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
a
way
of
testing
the
stacks
architecture
in
a
way
that
wouldn't
be
just.
A
You
know
like
shelling
out
to
the
stack
and
go
which
we
could
absolutely
do
right,
but
but,
like
I,
think
that
stack
removal
will
have
the
architecture
baked
in
natively
and
CNB
environment
variables,
I,
don't
I,
guess
I,
don't
know
how
you
would
call
that
out,
in
particular
in
this
RFC
and
whether
or
not
it
matters.
So
maybe
it
doesn't
matter
for
this
RFC
node
I'm,
saying
it
out
loud.
B
I
mean
I
tried
to
address
that.
The
problem
is
that,
like,
if
you,
if
you
kind
of
go
100
stack
removal,
I
mean
you
just
don't
want
to
support
anybody,
who's,
potentially
still
using
the
stacks
like
there's,
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
do
backward
compatibility
if
you
assume
somebody's
using
a
new
version
of
Pac,
but
maybe
that's
that's
fine
you're
just
gonna
say
you
have
to
use
a
new
version
of
pack.
B
We
expect
people
to
be
using
the
latest
and
greatest
there's
just
going
to
be
the
potential
where
somebody's
using
an
old
version
of
pack
and
their
CI
CD
pipeline
I'm
guilty
of
it
and
they're,
not
upgrading
and
they're,
not
going
to
get
the
benefits
of
the
new
like
life
cycle
or
whatever
they
might
be.
Pinning
things
I
think
that's
the
issue
there.
What.
A
B
B
Do
but
there
have
been
some
issues
so
actually
part
of
what
I
was
doing
when
I
started
doing
this
research
was
building
creating
a
builder
but
I
found
that
there's
some
bugs
that
need
to
be
fixed
and
I've
been
working
with
the
Upstream
pack
community
on
that
I
have
not
gone
back
and
tested
it.
They've
they've
actually
done
a
bunch
of
PR's
and
possibly
addressed
some
of
those
issues.
B
So
yeah,
like
initially
I,
was
going
to
go
down
the
let's
make
some
multi-art
build
packs
but,
and
then
I
started
going
down
that
I
need
the
builders
in
order
to
test
them.
So
I
kind
of
I
already
have
the
builders
they
work,
but
when
I
created
them
there,
it
was
a
very
hacky
process.
So
I
could
actually
test
all
the
stuff
that
I
talk
about
in
this
RFC.
B
At
this
point,
so
I
think
that
that's
probably
let's
see
what
Anthony's
talking
about
where
you
know
like
I,
haven't
created
any
like
tests,
but
there's
another
user
in
the
community
that
has
you
know
con
created,
multi-arch
paquetto
build
packs,
I
haven't
tested
those,
so
they
probably
won't
work
with
my
Builder
because
it's
actually
it
might
work
with
my
Builder.
It's
a
very
simple
like
Jammy
Builder.
B
So
you
know
if,
if
the
build
packs
are
downloading
Java
and
doing
all
that
stuff,
then
it
probably
would
work
so
I
could
do
some
testing
with
that
I,
just
like
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
to
do
it,
but
I'm.
If
that
is
valuable,
I
can
do
that.
C
I
believe
so
ability
to
be
available,
I
guess
yeah
yeah.
We
got
to
the
people
to
invest
in
the
community,
I
know
of
Daniel
mikusa
and
then
dashon
Carter
via
should
be
sized,
but
there's
a
I
remember
there
was
someone
else
also
well
anyway:
yeah
we
are
definitely
multiple.
Tentatives
I
mean
non-official
alternative,
and-
and
yours
actually
is
the
only
official
one
I
know
about
so.
B
But
yeah
I
I
can
I'll
look
into
using
darshan's
stuff
because
I
think
that
he's
kind
of
done
the
work
of
like
proof
of
concept
kind
of
like
work,
but
it
it's.
You
know
it's
a
little
bit
hacky
and
what
obviously,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
build
this
into
the
tool
as
a
first
class
citizen
versus
account
after
that.
Yes,.
C
B
Yeah
I
mean
so
I
guess
my
two
senses
I
think
that
separating
that
from
stack
removal
is
I.
Think
there's
value
in
doing
that,
because
you
can
have
your
like.
Ultimately,
there's
going
to
be
some
environment
variables
passed
in
to
your
bill,
packs
in
the
future,
from
the
CNB
like
when
you
create
your
Builders.
It's
supposed
to
you
know
pass
in
those
Target
OS
I
can't
remember
what
they
are,
but
you're
supposed
to
get
those
environment
variables.
B
So
if
you
can
just
update
the
build
packs
Logics
to
kind
of
read
those
and
if
they
don't
exist,
put
them
in
there
based
on
go
OS,
then
you
kind
of
like
solve
the
problem
and
then,
when
you
kind
of
separate
the
stack
removal,
part.
B
A
Great,
we
can
move
on
to
CNB
updates
and
questions.
I
believed
that.
A
A
new
life
cycle
version
just
went
live
like
a
couple
of
hours
ago.
0.17.0
I
have
no
idea
what
it
does
so
I
will
link
that
in
or
maybe
just
the
just
a
milestone
has
been
hit.
I
will
double
check
that
and
I
will
update
it
after
this
meeting,
but
I
believe
it
would
be
in
the
announcements
of
the
CNP
Slack
project
updates.
A
I.
Don't
think
that
we
have
any
major
project
updates.
I
think
that
we
are
targeting
a
Jam
Release
that
will
include
stuff
for
extensions.
I.
Believe
is
the
big
thing
that
was
in
there
and
merged
this
morning.
Is
that
correct
Sophie?
A
Is
it
extensions
that
I'm
thinking
of
and
then
hopefully
we
will
get
a
release
of
akka
Mount
that
will
be
supporting
those
new
jam
extension
endings.
D
E
A
It's
all
good
I
was
I
was
looking
for.
I
was
looking
for,
I
was
like
rapidly
looking
around
for
Michael
I'm.
Sorry,
I
missed
you.
A
Next
up,
I,
don't
have
any
other
project
updates.
Are
there
any
other
project
updates
that
people
have.
A
Nope
all
right,
then,
next
up
we
have
an
open
question.
My
questions
last
discussion
from
ROM.
D
Yeah
just
a
bit
of
a
promo
there,
so
on
Friday
we
have
I,
think
I'm,
saying
the
name
right.
I
have
to
confirm
so
I
met
the
ING
Bank
team
at
kubecon
EU,
and
they
had
a
small
presentation,
slash
demo
at
their
Booth,
about
how
they
were
using
paqueto
to
build
their
internally
used
data
analytics
platform.
D
So
they
were
doing
like
a
bunch
of
very
interesting
stuff,
around
Jupiter
notebook,
build
packs,
and
so
many
other
things
that
I
hadn't
imagined
they
would
use
paquetto
for
they
had
posted
about
this
on
the
paqueto
slack
I
believe
I
wasn't
able
to
get
the
full
presentation
because
of
Booth,
Duty
and
other
things,
but
I
reached
out
to
them
after
and
I
was
kind
enough
to
sort
of
volunteer
to
repeat
that
presentation
for
the
community.
D
So
we're
going
to
get
a
an
inside
view
about
how
the
folks
at
ING
are
making
use
of
paqueto
to
build
a
platform
and
basically
showcase
how
they're
consuming
potato
build
packs.
So
I
thought
it'd
be
interesting
to
let
folks
here
know
if
people
could
participate,
spread
the
word
or
help
out
in
any
other
way.
It's
much
appreciated.
A
That's
great
I
would
love
to
talk
to
you
at
some
point
after
this
and
see
if
there
is
a
contact
inside
of
ing
that
we
can
talk
to
because
it
sounds
like
they
would
be.
A
really
great
user
for
our
python
maintain
maintainers
to
reach
out
to,
because
it
kind
of
sounds
like.
E
A
D
Good
yeah
I
can
follow
up
with
someone
and
get
that
information.
There's
actually
a
couple
of
people
who
reached
out
at
some
point
so.