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From YouTube: CommComm Meeting - 05-05-2021
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https://github.com/Permissionless-Software-Foundation/community-committee/issues/10
PSF CommComm Meeting.
B
Cool
okay,
you're
recording
yep,
perfect
all
right.
This
is
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
community
committee
meeting:
it's
may
5th
2021
I
am
chris
trouttner.
I
helped
found
the
permission
of
soccer
foundation
with
a
few
of
the
people
here
and
a
few
of
the
people
who
aren't
here.
Let's
go
around
and
do
just
a
brief
introduction
david.
You
want
to
start
sure.
C
B
Excellent
and
we
might
have
a
couple-
other
people
join
in
later
drop
in
on
the
meeting.
Let
me
go
ahead,
oh
david,
can
you
enable
sharing
that's
a
good
question?
It
should
be
under,
I
think
security.
Or
can
you
just
try
and
secure
a
net
yeah?
It
says,
host
disabled
participant
screen,
sharing
it
does
that
by
default.
You
have
to.
B
Yay,
okay,
so
these
community
committee
meetings
are
focused
on
the
community
rather
than
the
technical
steering
committee,
which
more
focuses
on
the
technical
stuff.
So,
if
anybody's
been
watching
our
technical
meetings,
they
know
that
we
are
covering
quite
a
bit
of
ground,
pretty
quickly
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
different
things.
B
Things
are
really
popping
and
I
love
it
so
this
I
didn't
really
have
you
know
specific
things
to
that.
I
wanted
to
bring
up
in
this
meeting.
So
I
I
kind
of
took
a
poll
of
the
community
and
said
you
know
like
here.
Here
are
some
things
that
are
on
my
mind.
Do
you
guys
want
to
talk
about
this
stuff,
and
I
got
some
positive
responses
so
as
far
as
the
agenda
goes,
this
is
this:
is
the
agenda
we're
just
going
to
have
a
round
table
discussion?
B
This
meeting
and
basically
from
what
I've
noticed
talking
with
the
other
members
of
the
community,
is
like
the
the
psf
is
essentially
a
consortium
of
businesses
that
come
together
to
fund
common
infrastructure
that
that
we
all
depend
on.
We
all
have
in
common
and
the
the
the
members
with
with
more
skin.
B
So
it's
it's
pretty
exciting
and
and
and
more
people
with
money
to
fund
development
are
paying
attention
to
what
we're
doing
and
but
the
the
biggest
bottlenecks
to
our
growth
that
I'm
noticing
really
comes
down
to
two
things.
One
is
quality
control
or
quality
assurance
qa
for
short,
as
well
as
project
management,
which
is
kind
of
an
overused
term.
B
So
when
I'm,
when
I
use
it,
I
mean
more
someone
who
basically
just
babysits
a
project
they're,
not
necessarily
doing
the
work,
they're
responsible
for
making
sure
the
work
gets
done
and
gets
done
properly
to
a
high
quality.
And
it's
like
on
schedule-
and
you
know
just
the
person
who
is
responsible
for
keeping
the
ball
rolling.
B
Those
seem
to
be
where
we've
you
know
we're
we're
constantly.
Looking
for
developers,
we've
got
a
couple
that
we're
we're
trying
to
bring
on
in,
and
you
know
when
you
grow
when
you
grow
as
an
organization
you
grow
in
several
different
regards
at
the
same
time.
So
there
are
other
things
that
that
we
also
are
focusing
on
in
terms
of
growth,
but
but
the
bottlenecks
really
seemed
to
be
qa
and
project
management.
B
If
we
could
solve
these
sort
of
two
problems
and
then
of
course
2a
is
I
take
it
for
granted
it's
a
little
self-explanatory,
but
essentially
you
know
developers,
don't
always
get
it
right
on
the
first
try
and
so,
and
so
qa
is
all
about
just
dot
in
the
eyes
and
crossing
the
t's,
making
sure
you
know
okay.
Well,
maybe
this
code
works,
but
maybe
you
know
the
actual
user
interface
that
the
user
works
on.
B
It
seems
like
we
could
scale
if
we
could
come
up
with
a
better
way
to
encourage
people
with
these
skill
sets
to
join
our
community.
Neither
one
of
them
are
really
like
a
junior
type
thing
they
require
experience,
which
is
which
is
part
of
the
reason
why
it's
hard
to
find
these
people.
I
mean
this
is
not
a
unique
desk.
B
A
We're
starting
to
see
people
who
have
experienced
older
people
boomers
or
not
quite
that
old,
who
are
looking
for
a
place
to
contribute,
and
I
think,
reaching
out
within
those
communities
is,
is
probably
the
best
way
we
can
do
it.
I've
always
found
this
kind
of
communication
works
best
when
we
go
one-on-one,
and
so
I
just
encourage
people
to
get
in
touch
with
us
individually,
and
then
you
know
point
them
in
the
right
direction.
A
Have
the
conversation
and
see
what
skill
sets
come
along
and
sometimes
the
incentive
isn't
money,
it's
opportunity
to
contribute,
and
so
those,
but
those
incentives
still
have
to
be
aligned
and
those
are
the
things
you
find
out
by
having
one-on-one
conversations.
So
that's
the
you
know
as
far
as
recruitment
for
psf
projects
and
projects
within
all
the
ecospheres
is
it's.
It's
always
important
to
have
the
people
who
bridge
the
gap
between
marketing
and
and
programming,
and
I
think
that's
what
a
project
manager
generally
does.
A
B
Yeah,
that's
a
really
important
point
that
project
managers
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
a
developer,
or
even
even
that
technical.
They
need
to
be
able
to
communicate
with
technical
people.
That's
an
important
skill,
but
they
don't
naturally
need
to
be
very
technical
themselves.
They
just
need
to
be
able
to
understand
when
a
project
is
functioning
correctly
and
or
when
it's
gone
off
the
rails.
B
Well,
you
know
aaron
you're
kind
of
our
newest
community
member.
That's
got
a
little
skin
in
the
game
and
I
think
it
might
be
really
helpful
for
for
me
and
for
anyone
watching
this
to
just
sort
of
if
you
kind
of
at
a
high
level,
can
you
just
go
over
what
attracted
you
to
the
psf?
What
actually
got
you
to
take
the
step
to
reach
out.
D
D
D
I,
when
amazon
pulled
down
rumble
in
january,
I
was
a
little
alarmed
because
I'd
spent
the
last
year
learning
the
aws
architecture,
so
I
can
make
virtual
tour
websites
for
my
clients
and
you
know
just
the
possibility
of
okay.
I
can
make
this
this
website
for
them
and
then
they
could
lose
it
somehow.
You
know,
because
I
I
don't
see
that
stuff
as
like.
Oh
this
is
just
the
extremes.
I
see
they
usually
start
with
the
extremes
and
then
they
move
on
to
oh
well,
you're,
just
kind
of
in
my
way.
D
You
know
I'm
gonna
get
you
out
of
here
kind
of
thing,
and
so
that's
why
I
started
looking
into
like
ipfs
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
I
found
a
good
marriage
between
that
and
the
the
token
technology
that
you're
working
on,
because
I
also
see
merit
in
the
nfts
and
being
a
future
for
markets
of
digital
assets
and
right
now.
I
think
that
the
general
consensus
of
the
public
is
three
things
one.
It's
I
don't
know
what
nfts
are
two
it's
nfts
are
really
cool
and
they're.
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
I
mean
so
it's
to
to
sort
of
take
what
you
said
and
extrapolate
it.
I
think,
at
a
at
a
more
general
level,
it
seemed-
and
I've
noticed
this
too
over
the
last
three
years
that
I've
been
involved
in
the
bitcoin
cash
spaces.
It's
like
as
a
culture,
the
things
that
I've
observed
in
bitcoin
bitcoin
in
general
over
the
last
12
years,
but
also
bitcoin
cash,
specifically
over
the
last
three
years.
B
A
B
D
Right
so
yeah
and
I
got
into
this
in
2016
2017
I
mean
I
was
told
about
it
way
back
in
like
2011,
and
I
wish
I
would
have
bought
in
there
like
everybody
else.
You
know,
and
but
I
got
into
it
in
2016
2017
and
really
started
researching,
and
I
the
the
crash
happened
and
I
still
followed
it.
I
was
still
kind
of
on
the
back
burner,
but
I
saw
a
lot
of
development
going
on
in
that
time
and
it's
similar
to
I
I'm
into
360
and
vr
stuff.
D
D
You
know
and
to
put
that
in
perspective,
you
16k
is
like
real
life,
so
it's
getting
really
really
close
and
I
see
the
same
in
the
crypto
sphere,
where
these
technologies
are
getting
really
really
close
to
breaking
open
into
the
wider
market
and
having
a
really
good
use
case.
I
mean
they
already
have
a
good
use
case,
but
having
people
who
are
the
average
joe's
going?
Oh
yeah,
this
is
easy,
oh
yeah.
This
is
why
I
would
use
this.
You
know.
D
Yeah,
yeah
and
and
that's
kind
of
the,
where
I'm
excited
and
and
what
we're
doing
is
saying
all
right.
Digital
assets
can
become
this
huge
field
because
the
360
stuff,
the
vr
stuff,
is
blowing
up
and
that's
about
to
like
you
can
consider
that,
like
bitcoin
in
2014
2015,
as
opposed
to
where
bitcoin
is
now,
you
know-
and
I
say
bitcoin
in
general,
because
the
general
public
thinks
crypto
and
they
think
bitcoin
and
maybe
ethereum
you
know,
and
then
you
get
less
and
less
that
think
everything
else.
D
B
You
know
something
you
touched
on
there.
I
think
is
really
important
for
this
topic
that
we're
talking
about
of
of
how
do
we
grow
our
community
in
general,
but
more
specifically
like
people
with
specific
skill
sets.
The
pattern
I've
noticed
is
that
most
of
the
building
actually
happens
during
bear
markets,
not
during
bull
markets
during
bull
markets,
everyone's
chasing
hype
and
they're.
So
busy
just
talking
and
trying
to
understand,
like
what's
happening,
that
it's
hugely
distracting
to
the
actual
utilitarian
building,
but
it's
those
bull
markets
that
that
get.
B
You
know
that
wake
people
up
and
and
be
and
make
them
aware
that
hey
there's
something
going
on
over
here
that
you
should
be
aware
of,
but
then-
and
so
I
I
think
this
is
the
pattern
that
we
just
have
to
embrace,
because
I
it's
it's
been
around
for
over
a
decade,
it's
probably
going
to
continue
into
the
foreseeable
future,
where
we
have
these
cycles
and
that's
the
cycle.
Like
people,
people,
we
have
an
influx
of
new
blood
during
the
bull
market.
B
D
C
Let's
talk
talk
more
about
the
pcf
stuff,
not
so
common
stuff,
so
like
cut
c
for
the
quality
for
qa,
for
example,
what
you
want
to
do
to
sorry
my
camera?
Also,
do
you
want
to
pay
to
more
unqualified
testers
like
to
have
a
bounty
for
founding
a
bug,
or
you
want
to
pay
to
one
very
qualified
tester
like
he
know
how
to
use
tools
or
stuff.
We
need
to
decide.
C
Maybe
this
kind
of
stuff,
and
it's
pretty
good
even
now,
because
there's
a
lot
of
automatic
testing
now
everything
is
almost
covered,
so
it
will,
for
example,
for
testing
interfaces
like
there
is
several
like
react
stuff,
like
wallet
and
stuff
for
this
one.
It
cannot
be
covered
with
this
automated
testing,
so
there
will
be
need
from
some
testers,
but
I
mean
we
need
to
decide
what
you
want
like
one
high
qualified
guys
who
will
get
something
for
testing
or
you
can
just
put
a
bounty
who
found
the
book
get
some
like
pcf
tokens.
B
C
For
project
management-
also,
I'm
not
sure,
is
it
even
needed
somebody
to
manage
so
much
the
stuff,
because
it's
still
not
so
big,
I'm
sure.
Maybe
it
will
become
more,
but
in
the
moment
there's
something
less
than
10
developers
working
in
this
one.
So
if
we
decided
to
do
more,
like
agile
style
of
working,
there's
no
need
from
some
like
very
management
there.
C
So
what
kind
of
style
we
will
go
for
in
in
the
management
in
both
cases
will
be
different?
Maybe
you
need
some
project
owners,
maybe
for
the
this
agile
stuff,
like
some
project
owner
for
the
wallet
some
project
owner
for
the
api.
It's
not
need
to
be
you
for
everything
they
this
owners.
They
will
create
the
the
stories
like
we
need
this
this
and
they
will
examine
it.
Other
tasks
like
up
to
the
story
yeah
so.
B
B
Yeah
I
mean
you,
you,
you
nailed
exactly
what
I'm
trying.
So
it's
it's
a
little
it's
hard
to
talk
in
a
general
terms
because
a
lot
of
the
because
the
specifics
are
really
what
we
need
to
get
to
and
yeah
so
on.
So
let's
talk
about
qa.
First,
one
of
one
of
the
the
big
bottlenecks
there
with
qa
that
I'm
noticing
is
really
code
review.
Is
it's
it's
just
it's!
It's
really
easy
to
get
into
an
unhealthy
place.
B
It's
so
I'm
so
deep
into
it
that
I
can't
get
another
developer
interested
in
it
because
because
there's
just
so
much
there
and-
and
so
when
I
find
that
when
someone
reviews
my
code
or
when
I
review
other
people's
code,
I
mean
not
only
does
it
catch
bugs,
but
it
also
just
now
there's
two
people
who
understand
what's
going
on
and
can
explain
it
to
other
people,
and
you
know
so
right.
There
you've,
you've,
improved
it
by
50.
B
B
C
Yeah
pair
coding
is
one
of
the
ways
to
to
solve
this
problems,
because
the
people
from
different
projects,
usually
the
one
who
is
not
very
good
in
this,
like
avalanche
guy,
he
will
be
the
the
coder,
and
somebody
will
just
do
this.
Do
this.
Do
this
pair
programming
will
increase
the
the
how
to
see
the
level
of
the
whole
group,
but
it's
very
difficult
for
the
like
for
company
we're
doing
this,
but
for
for
the
this
kind
of
a
very
distributed
group,
I'm
not
sure
if
we
can
achieve
it
right.
B
A
B
So
it
will
increase,
that's
really
what
we
need
when
it
comes
down
to
it.
We
just
need
more
people
sort
of
looking
at
the
code,
giving
critical
feedback
and
and
also
in
terms
of
the
workflow,
I'm
not
sure.
Like
you
know.
If
we
stick
to
the
github
workflow,
you
submit
a
pull
request
and
then
you
know
someone
reviews
the
code
and
approves
it
before
it
gets
merged.
That's
the
github
workflow.
B
But
again
I
don't
know
if
that
workflow
works
very
good
with
our
with
our
distributed
team
having
people
what
I've
seen
in
companies
where
they've
tried
to
do
this,
where,
like
say
you
get
a
front-end
guy,
doing
a
code
review
for
a
back-end
guy,
well
they're
trying
to
work
on
their
own
project
to
begin
with
so
they're
crunched
for
time
they
don't
really
understand.
What's
going
on,
so
they
just
sort
of
hit,
approve
and
like
okay
and
then
so
it's
not
a
real
code
review,
it's
really
just
going
through
the
motions.
C
C
B
C
D
B
D
B
Yeah
and
I'm
looking
for
ways
to
sort
of
hand
that
off
I
mean
there's,
there's
specific
projects
that
that
I
I
want
to
continue
that
I'm
passionate
about.
So
I
want
to
continue
to
focus
it,
but
it's
it's
the
projects,
I'm
not
so
passionate
about
which
are
growing
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
find
a
good,
a
good
solution
to
to
do
these
sorts
of
code
reviews
and
and
ensure
quality.
B
Okay,
well
I
mean
this
really
is
intended
to
be
a
conversation,
so
we'll
continue
to
have
the
conversation
and
ask
ourselves
these
questions
of.
How
can
we
make
it
better,
but
I
want
to
return
to
the
other
things
that
you're
saying
stoing
about
project
management,
so
you're
saying
like
yeah,
the
project
manager
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
technical,
and
actually
can
you
can
you
just
refresh
me
on
some
of
the
points
that
you
were
making
about
project
management.
C
C
C
The
team,
for
example,
have
like
initial
conversation
with
the
with
the
project
with
this
project
owner
like,
for
example,
you
want
this
one,
so
you
will
be
this
project
owner.
So
the
team
talk
with
you
and
you
I
want
this
this
this
this
this
so
we're
creating
story
from
these
things
and
everybody
from
there
starts
working
like
individually.
C
C
Is
it
sticking
to
the
story
like,
for
example,
we
want
user
and
password
login.
So
you
check
this
one,
you
don't
care.
Is
the
javascript
code
inside
so
good,
there's
the
reviewers
for
this
one.
The
project
owner
is
just
looking
on
the
the
goals
so-
and
this
is
not
so
much
about
management
right,
it's
more
about
the
reaching
the
goals.
B
C
Different
people,
different
organization,
you
using
different
styles,
we
just
need
to
see
which
one
is
good
for
for
this
organization
like,
for
example,
somebody
are
using
some
very
technical
guy
will
create
like
the
the
upper
level,
like
maybe
the
interface
between
the
blocks
and
every
not
so
technical,
a
little
technical
guys,
we'll
just
fill
the
blocks
with
code,
but
this
also
is
doable.
We
just
need
to
see
which
one
works
for
for
this
for
our
organization
and
yeah.
B
Yeah
yeah,
that's
that's
that's
good
feedback.
I
mean,
I
think
this
this.
The
the
project
management
side
of
things
is,
is
something
that
I
think
is
easier
for
us
to
solve.
In
terms
of
you
know,
as
if
someone
comes
to
the
organization
and
they're,
like
I'd
really
like
to
see,
you
know
x,
built
and
a
lot
of
times,
I
I'm
almost
like
okay.
Well,
then
we'll
work
with
you
or
you
need
to
bring
your
own
sort
of
project
manager.
Who
who
answers
to
you?
B
That's
that's
kind
of
how
I've
been
I'm
starting
to
look
at.
It
is
the
project
management
side
of
things
we
we
kind
of
have
to
solve
that
up
front
and
and
because
it's
up
front
it's
a
little
easier
to
solve,
whereas
the
qa
thing
is
something
it's
more
part
of
the
process,
and
so
we
need
to
refine
our
process.
B
C
B
Okay-
well,
let
me
just
so
the
next.
The
next
thing
in
the
agenda
here
is
really
like
what
are
actionable
steps
that
we
can
take.
I
always
like
to
ask
that
question
at
the
end
of
a
roundtable
discussion,
and
so
what
I'm
hearing
in
terms
of
actionable
steps
is,
you
know
in
terms
of
the
qa
thing,
let's
really
explore
the
pair
programming
and
maybe
the
idea
of
having
two
code
reviews
before
emerge.
B
You
know
that
that
has
the
the
implication
of
slowing
things
down,
but
also
doubling
the
the
the
the
quality
control
in
terms
of
it's
keeping.
You
know
I've
seen
I've
seen
when
you
just
have
one
reviewer
I've
seen
that
go
into
a
like
sort
of
you
get
a
lazy,
reviewer
right,
and
so
I've
seen
that
like
fall
apart,
but
maybe
with
two
reviewers
there's
more
incentive
for
honesty
and
effort
there.
B
So
I'm
interested
in
maybe
exploring
that
and
then
on
the
project
management
side
of
things.
I
think
the
actual
step
there
is
is
just
to
be
a
little
more
upfront
when
we
take
on
new
projects
in
terms
of
bring
you
know,
just
get
get
the
project
management
side
of
things
nailed
down
up
front
before
you
start
the
actual
development
process.
B
C
D
D
Well,
you
could
have
an
initial
incentive,
you
know
so
that
it's
it's
good,
but
then
you
could
have
a
longer-term
incentive
too.
You
know
it
like
hitting
a
sales
goal.
You
know
you
got
commission
and
then,
if
you
had
a
sales
goal,
you
get
a
bonus,
so
the
the
bonus
drives
them
to
actually
sell
more
than
if
they
just
had
a
commission.
D
B
C
I
was
thinking
in
the
moment
there's
the
cutscene
reward
for
the
people
who
are
coding,
but
not
for
this,
who
are
doing
the
reviews.
If
there
is
like
small
house
reward
for
the
just
for
doing
the
review,
there
may
be,
will
be
more
people
doing
it
like
the
community
people,
not
the
coders
themselves,
because
yeah
looking
on
the
ready
code,
you
can
see
some
like
obvious
errors,
and
this
can
be
done
by
not
so
technical
people.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
great
idea,
that's
a
I
mean
I
can
see
some
of
the
problems
with
that
in
terms
of
like,
like
I've
tried
to
review
like
like
front
end
code
that
and
I'm
not
a
front
end
developer,
and
so
I
get
I'm
just
like.
I
don't
know.
What's
going
on,
I'm
not
qualified
to
review
this,
but
so
I'd
be
afraid
of
of
having
unqualified
people.
Do
reviews.
C
B
C
B
Yeah
that
that's
a
good
point,
I
I
think
I
think
I
think
yeah,
that's
a
you,
you
and
aaron
have
both.
Those
are
both
really
good
things
that
I'll
continue
to
think
about.
Let's
collectively
continue
to
think
about.
I
think
those
might
actually
be
the
solutions
to
this
problem,
probably
how
we
should
move
forward
just.
D
Another
thing
to
add
there
is:
it
sounds
like
you're
looking
you
like
the
idea
of
kind
of
outsourcing
the
code
review
in
a
way,
but
also
you
you're,
wanting
some
way
of
quality
assurance
for
those
people
we
outsource
to,
and
so
that's
that
would
be
another
problem
to
break
down.
How
do
we
assure
that
quality
insurance,
but
also
make
it
easy
enough
for
people
to
do.
B
Yeah,
so
that's
actually
an
excellent
segue,
because
what
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
haven't
brought
up-
or
I
forgot
about
until
recently-
is
one
of
the
things
that
I've
also
been
trying
to
be
better
about-
is
drafting
up
a
checklist
for
manual
smoke
tests,
and
this
is
where,
like
you,
you
really
can
have
someone
who's
non-technical
just
go
through
the
chat
like
so.
To
give
a
concrete
example,
like
wallet.fullstack.cache,
I've
started
drafting
up
a
checklist
of
a
smoke
test
where
it's
like.
B
Okay,
send
some
money
to
the
wallet,
make
sure
the
money
appears
send
a
token
to
an
address,
make
sure
you
know
it
can
send,
and
the
token
arrives.
You
know
just
these,
these
sort
of
checklists
of
like
do
this.
Do
that
make
sure
this
thing
works,
and
so
it's
really
not
technical
at
all
you're,
not
getting
into
the
code
you're,
just
basically
going
through
the
same
motions
that
a
typical
user
would
do
and
at
a
company
I
worked
out
prior
to
this.
C
I
put
one
link
in
the
chat,
we're
using
a
free
software
for
the
mind
mapping.
It's
named
like
this
x
map.
So
it's
exactly
the
thing
that
you're
talking
now
about
it's
just
creating
like
a
small
schema
of
the
these
common
tests
like
do
this
this
this
this
do
this.
Is
this
so
the
tester
every
time
just
going
through
these
steps
anytime,
he
do
the
testing.
C
B
D
D
B
D
D
B
B
D
B
B
B
D
B
I
mean
yeah
yeah,
I
I
know
of
one
project
that
we're
working
on
that.
I
don't
want
to
talk
too
much
about
it
because
it
hasn't
been
released
yet.
But
but
I
know
that
the
the
people
in
charge
of
heading
that
went
up
are
are
doing
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
and
sort
of
limited
release.
Getting
feedback
like
like
moving
moving,
slowly
and
and
checking
quality
every
step
of
the
way.
E
B
And
so
it's
good,
that's
a
good
model
for
for
us
to
use
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
grow
from
that.
So
I
mean
these
are
good
questions
and,
and
they
are
being
addressed-
I
just
I
all
I
work
on
is
developer
tooling.
So
thankfully,
this
the
the
end
user,
I'm
expecting
my
end
user
to
be
a
little
more.
You
know
knowledgeable
because
I'm
they're
they're
developers
so
they're
expected
to
solve
a
few
things
on
their
own.
B
B
I
I'm
honestly
I'll
I'll
say
for
a
minute
here
that
I'm
really
proud
of
this
community
of
how
we
are
building
we're,
focusing
on
the
utilitarian
use
cases
of
nfts
we're
not
chasing
the
hype,
we're
not
trying
to
get
out
in
front
of
the
curve
which
is
a
losing
battle,
because
you
know
the
hype
always
moves
faster
than
you
can
build
things
and
we're
really
we're
looking
at
we're
trying
to
cut
through
that.
We've
we've
done
a
good
job,
I
think
of
cutting
through
the
noise
and
focusing
on
okay.
B
So
I
think
we've
got
nfts
like
in
the
bag,
essentially
in
terms
of
what
what
we're
doing
as
a
community
and
and
the
projects
we're
working
on,
and
then
I've
I've
waxed
poetic
on
how
how
much
I
like
the
this
jason
rpc
over
ipfs
that
I'm
working
on
I'm
also
fully
cognizant
that
I'm
probably
the
only
person
that
has
a
full
vision
of
of
what's
possible
with
it
but
another.
What
was
the
other
trend?
B
Also,
I'm
I'm
getting
really
excited
about
the
c
chain
on
avalanche
which
is
an
evm
compatible
and
and
then
smart
bch,
which
is
an
evm
compatible
sidechain
for
bitcoin
cash,
which
should
also
be
able
to
work
on
e-cash
since
since
they're
so
similar.
So
those
are
two,
that's
a
if
you
note
it
so
right
now
as
we're
speaking
bitcoin.
B
Cash
is
up
like
30,
and
if
you
look
on
coin
market
cap,
you'll
notice
that
ethereum
is
like
zero
or
possibly
losing
a
little
bit,
and
so
what
that
is
telling
me
is,
that
is
that
people
are
fed
up
with
the
fees
on
ethereum
they're.
Looking
at
all
these
evm
compatible
chains,
money
is
leaving
ethereum
and
it's
moving
towards
places
where
they
can
run
the
same
code
on
a
different
chain
with
with
lower
transaction
fees.
Daniel.
I
did,
I
see
your
hand,
go
up.
B
Oh
okay,
okay,
so
I
think
that
that's
a
trend
that
we
need-
I
mean
I
I
might
be
wrong
about
that.
That's
just
my
speculation
on
the
moment
of
the
day,
but
I
think
that
that's
a
trend
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of
and
keep
an
eye
on,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
that
is
a
trend.
All
right
that
is
forming
is
that.
C
A
C
B
B
So
the
ability
to
send
an
slp
token
and
then
add
another
protocol,
so
slp
is
essentially
a
protocol
on
top
of
bitcoin
cash
that
lives
in
the
op
return.
And
so,
if
you
have
multiple
op
returns,
you
can
now
have
an
additional
protocol
on
top
of
that,
and
that
is
a
that
is
a
very
general
solution
to
a
lot
of
problems.
C
C
B
B
I
was
I
I
tried
to
get
this
opportune.
This
multiple
opportune
thing
like
probably
a
year
ago
or
more
than
a
year
ago
I
was,
I
was
really
trying
to
like
rally
at
all
the
developers
and
be
like
yeah.
This
is
a
good
idea.
We
should
do
this
and-
and
I
had
a
list
of
use
cases,
I'm
gonna
need
to
see
if
I
can
find
that,
because
because
that
was
the
question
I
kept
getting
asked
in,
the
dev
meetings
was
like
what
are?
What
are
the
practical
use
cases?
B
B
One
of
the
most
obvious
things
you
can
do
is
like
now
you
can
attach
you
know
just
general
metadata
like
this
transaction
was,
for
you
know,
five
oranges
or
you
know,
or
whatever
you
know,
just
have
a
really
common,
but
also
the
other
thing
that
I
like
about
opera
turn.
I'm
starting
to
get
into
is
just
a
very
simple
json
formatted.
B
You
know
piece
of
data,
just
just
jason,
just
jason
string
that
that
you
can
do
all
sorts
of
things
like
well
like
so
aaron.
We
we
were
talking
recently
about
my
specification
for
pointing
to
mutable
data
from
an
immutable
token
yeah
like
like
slp
tokens
transactions.
I
mean
this
is
not
a
good
example,
but,
for
instance,
an
slp
transaction
could
have
a
link
to
the
token
icon
in
that
second
op
return,
or
just
you
know,
just
some
sort
of
piece
of
date,
some
additional.
B
B
F
B
B
If
I'm
understanding
it
correctly,
they
take
a
block
in
the
side
chain,
hash
it
and
then
that
hash
goes
into
the
op
return
and
it
can
only
be
produced
by
a
miner
on
bitcoin
cash
and
and
so
that's
how
they
sort
of
anchor
they
periodically
anchor
the
side
chain
into
the
bitcoin
cash
blockchain.
So
in
terms
of
the
actual,
like
effect
on
the
on
the
base
blockchain,
it's
it's
incredibly
minimal,
because
it's
just
this
occasional
opera
turn.
So
it
has
very
low
impact
on
on
the
actual
bitcoin
cash
chain.
B
And
then
you
can
do
all
sorts
of
you
know
whatever
you
want
on
the
side
chain
and
I'm
also
excited
like
even
if
smart
vch
doesn't
have
it
all,
figured
out
the
fact
that
they've
got
the
machinery
working
means
that
someone
can
fork
it
and
you
know
make
any
tweaks
they
need
to
to.
So
you
know
I'm
always
skeptical
of
a
first
iteration,
but
but
the
fact,
but
but
breaking
that
new
ground
opens
the
door
to
improvements.
B
So
that's
pretty
cool,
I'm
gonna
yeah,
I'm
gonna,
keep
I'm
gonna
keep
keep
an
eye
on
it.
Just
the
I.
I
also
I'm
I'm
very,
I
wouldn't
say
skeptical,
but
I'm.
I
think
that
the
stakes
are
too
high
for
most
business
applications
trying
to
use
a
smart
contract
because
once
you
launch
it,
you
can't
shut
it
down.
That's
not
an
option
and-
and
you
know
that's
that's-
what's
led
to
a
lot
of.
B
And
it
doesn't
do
any
good
if
you
know
about
the
bug,
because
you
can't
fix
the
bug
once
it's
launched.
All
you
can
do
is
launch
a
new
smart
contract
and
try
and
tell
everybody
to
use
the
new
one,
but
anybody
who
doesn't
get
the
memo
gets
screwed
and
so
there's
just
there's.
Just
smart
contracts
are
a
slippery
slope
and
it
I
mean
they
have
their
place.
But
if
you
can
do
it
like
with
a
regular
javascript
app,
I
think
that
from
a
business
perspective,
it's
much
more
pragmatic
to
do
it.
B
That
way.
But
there
are
things
like
like,
particularly
like
minting
tokens
and
and
other
like
dow
decentralized
autonomous
organization
type
operations,
those
those
have
reached
a
level
of
maturity
over
the
years,
and
so
the
fact
that
we
can
combine
this
evm
on
the
bitcoin
cash
chain
and
on
the
avalanche
chain.
And
then
we
can
move
tokens
between
the
sort
of
bitcoin.
B
You
know
so
the
avalanche
has
its
x
chain,
which
is
very
similar
to
like
the
bitcoin
protocol
or
the
bitcoin
cash
blockchain,
which
is
simpler
and
and
much
more
straightforward,
and
so
from
a
business
perspective.
I
like
that,
but
the
fact
that
we
can
move
tokens
between
these
more
simpler
chains
to
these
evm
chains
and
back
and
forth
gives
us
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
solving
business
problems.
B
B
A
B
D
I'm
excited
about
the
the
cross
chain
stuff,
I
think
that's
really
exciting.
I
I'm
also
excited
about
the
use
case
of
slp
tokens
and
nft
tokens
as
digital
souvenirs,
and
I
think,
there's
a
use
case
for
that.
I
think
david.
If
I'm
not
right,
you
guys
are
kind
of
working
on
something
like
that.
You
know,
and
we've
talked
about
being
able
to
do
digital
trophy
rooms,
so
to
speak
in
a
wallet,
and
I
these
are
things
that
I
think
are
going
to
attract
the
average
consumer
to
start
utilizing
this
sort
of
technology.
D
You
could
create
a
very
easy
way
where
you
pick
up
a
digital
souvenir
and
you
show
it
to
a
restaurant
town
and
then
that
restaurant
it
shows
you
discount
tokens
for
your
lunch.
You
know
it's
not
a
super
complicated
idea.
I
mean
it's
already
been
done
with
like
paper
or
you
know,
from
a
centralized
database.
But
this
way
each
person
each
business
could
determine
how
much
they're
in
how
much
of
a
discount
they
give
people
could
determine
the
type
of
souvenirs.
They
gave
that
sort
of
thing.
B
A
B
And
and
and
the
thing
I've
been
thinking,
a
lot
lately
is
like:
how
can
we
get
like
a
virtual
painting
on
the
wall?
That
is
an
nft.
I
think
that
would
be
a
huge
do.
You
have
any
thoughts
on
like
mechanically
how
like
what
is
available
to
do
that
these
days
like
what?
What
would
what
would
it
take
to
do
something
like
that.
D
Well,
you
would
have
to
design
it
in
unity
and
upload
it
to
oculus
so
and
what
it
would,
what
it
would
be,
and
I've
been
thinking
about
this,
because
this
is
my
next
use
case
for
the
nfts
is
how
do
we
bring
nfts
into
video
games
as
use
cases,
and
one
of
my
thoughts
was
utilizing.
Hd
wallets
in
a
way
to
create
child
addresses
and
that
that's
a
as
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
on
that.
D
But
the
basic
gist
is
the
asset
has
to
live
on
some
place
like
an
ipfs
network
right
and
the
nft
becomes
the
key
to
unlocking
the
asset,
and
so
you
would
create
a
program
within
the
oculus.
That's
that
essentially
has
the
keys
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
you
could
use
children,
keys
or
grandchildren
keys
as
a
way
to
unlock
these
assets
or
variations
of
the
assets,
and
now
that
I
know
about
multiple
op
returns.
D
I
I
think
there's
another
use
case
there
and
then
it
would
essentially
function
like
an
api
call
or
it
would
call
out
to
the
asset
and
then
load
the
the
asset
real
time
in
your
viewer.
And
so
you
would
then,
and
the
asset
would
likely
exist
as
what's
called
an
obj
file
which
is
used
for
3d,
printing
and
for
and
for
video
games
now.
D
D
When
you
put
it
on
the
home
screen
is
cool
you
you,
but
then
your
interactive
interact-ability
with
the
environment
is
through
basically
a
monitor
like
a
computer
screen,
which
I
don't
think
makes
it
sense
at
all
for
a
vr
application.
Your
nvr,
your
interaction,
should
be
like
walking
around
the
world.
Instead
of
pulling
up
an
application
that
says
store,
you
should
walk
into
a
store.
You
know.
Instead
of
pulling
up
a
media
file
location,
you
should
walk
into
a
movie
theater.
D
You
know
and
be
able
to
take
things
like
that,
and
that's
why
I
think
nfts
there's
there's
a
use
case.
It's
going
to
have
to
be
developed
where
you
create
the
object
like
the
digital
artwork,
and
you
create
a
program
that
people
can
load
onto
their
oculus
or
their
headset.
That
calls
that
object
and
populates
it
within
their
their
sphere
of
view,
as
it's
called
in
vr
yeah
that
make
sense.
D
Said,
there's
totally
a
way
to
do
that
and
the
only
difference
where
nfts
come
in
is
they
allow
you
the
ability
to
sell
that
asset,
and
somebody
else
can
put
that
in
their
virtual
world
and
load
that
into
their
virtual
world
and
right
now
it's
it
takes
some
programming,
but
eventually
it.
My
hope
is
that
it'll
be
really
easy
to
use
and
the
average
user
can
buy
an
nfp
and
then
it's
there
in
their
home
screen
or
their
trophy
room
or
their
virtual
world.
You
know
so
yeah.
B
B
That
would,
you
know,
typically
go
over
the
internet.
You
can
actually
just
communicate
straight
through
the
blockchain.
So
you
don't
you
don't
care
how
they're
connected
to
the
blockchain.
They
just
need
to
be
connected
to
the
blockchain
and
then
and
then
you
can
pass
data
back
and
forth,
including
you
know,
access
control
like
oh
yeah.
You
have
the
right
to
display
this
nft.
D
Yeah-
and
I
I'm
that's-
that's
some
when
I'm
thinking
like
child
addressing
one
thing,
I'm
thinking
is
for
a
developer.
You
know
you
can
give
them
the
the
nft
and
they
can
use
the
child
address
while
they're
developing
and
then
maybe
use
a
parent
address
when
they
publish
and
so
the
parent
address
the
game
itself
would
be
an
essential
wallet
that
would
store
the
keys
to
the
nfts,
the
assets
that
are
being
used
by
the
game.
D
So
you
can
so
once
it's
published
and
say
you
download
the
file.
Well,
you
would
also
be
downloading
the
keys
to
the
nft
asset.
That's
specifically
used
in
that
game
and
then,
when
you
play
the
game,
the
game
itself
would
call
out
to
that
asset
to
populate
it
within
the
the
video
game
or
the
vr
world.
Essentially,
okay,.
B
D
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
excited
about
it,
and
so
I'm
I'm
working
with
some
vr
guys
that
are
there's
a
guy
here
in
omaha,
I'm
gonna
be
meeting
with
and
he's
already
developed
a
world
and
unity
where
you
can
add
and
take
away
things
yeah.
Basically,
you
can
construct
a
world
and
it's
not
a
far
jump
between
making
those
objects.
Nft
objects,
and
I
was
explaining
that
to
him
the
other
day
and
he
thought
this
is
awesome.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
to
work
on
that
cool.
B
B
Okay,
guys
well
we're
getting
late.
Let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
wrap
this
meeting
up.
It's
been
incredibly
productive
and
I
really
appreciate
your
input
because
you
know
this
whole
qa
and
project
management
thing
is
something
that's
been
weighing
on
my
mind
and
I
think
we've
managed
to
come
up
with
several
actionable
ideas.
So
I
look
forward
to
moving
forward
with
those.