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From YouTube: PSF TC Meeting 6.16.21
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Community Committee Meeting for June 16, 2021
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Since
don
just
came
in
we're
going
to
get
him
looking
nice
and
welcome
to
the
psf's
concom
meeting
for
what
date
is
it
the
16th
today,
I
can't
believe
it
the
16th
already
now
how
you
guys
doing.
We
should
go
through
introductions
and
get
everybody
to
introduce
themselves.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
you,
chris.
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Yeah,
well,
we
just
passed
600
000
requests
per
day,
api
requests,
so
that's
a
steady
growth
of
the
full
stack.cash
infrastructure
and
the
psf
core
software.
So
that's
that's
great!
That's
great!
That's
that's
the
highest
daily!
We've
we've
had
so
far,
and
we've
been
on
a
very
steady
growth
trajectory
and
we
are
seeing,
as
our
api
request
number
goes
up.
The
number
of
that
should
reflect
in
the
paid
accounts
which
go
to
burn
psf
tokens,
which
is
a
good
thing
for
the
whole
community.
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So
if
people
want
to
check
it
out
and
understand
what
geodrop.cache
is
I
I
recommend
they
check
that
out,
but
yeah
it's
in.
In
a
nutshell,
it's
a
map
based
scavenger
hunt,
game
sort
of
similar
to
pokemon
go
and
the
canonical
use
cases
like
say:
a
coffee
shop
drops
tokens
around
their
business
in,
say
a
city
that
they're
like
say,
free,
coffee,
tokens
and
then
players
can
go,
collect
these
tokens
and
then
bring
them
back
to
exchange
them
for
free
coffee.
So
it's
it's
a
win-win-win.
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Yeah
I
saw
that
that
update
the
other
day
and
what
was
it
they.
I
think
I
text
you
about
something
that
they
had
plug-in.
It
wasn't
plug-in
functionality,
it
was,
they
could
run
functions
or
something
like
that.
Some
new
thing
they
were
tapping
you
know,
so
that's
awesome
and
good
work,
daniel
thanks
for
all
the
work,
you're
doing
man
so
and
all
right
sure.
If
is
there
any
more
developments
people
want
to
talk
about.
If
not,
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
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I'll
just
put
do
a
shout
out
for
the
the
jason
rpc
over
ipfs
project
and
the
pay
to
write
database
project.
I
encourage
people
to
reach
out
on
the
psf
telegram
channel
and
ask
about
them
there.
If,
if
you
have
concerns
about
you,
know
censorship
resistance
or
want
to
build
an
e-commerce
application,
that's
censorship
resistant.
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Awesome
awesome,
so
we
wanted
to
we've
been
talking
a
lot
lately
right
chris
about
what
is
the
psf.
You've
posted
some
blo,
a
blog
post
on
that,
and
we
really
have
been
brainstorming
a
lot
lately,
and
so
that's
the
next
part
of
this
agenda,
where
we
talk
about
a
quart
of
three
strands.
It's
from
that
old
saying.
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A
court
of
three
strands
is
not
easily
broken,
and
so
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
direction
of
the
psf
and
what
but
first
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
educate
people
on
what
we've
been
talking
about
as
the
problem
of
open
source
software.
So
chris,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
start
in
talking
about
some
of
the
things
you
see
there.
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And
I
I
my
view
is
that
cryptocurrency
is,
is
open
source
and
in
fact
it's
just
a
very
small
segment
of
the
open
source
software
industry
and
so
any
lesson
that
can
be
garnered
from
the
open
source.
Software
industry
is
directly
applicable
to
the
cryptocurrency
industry,
and
I
introduced
this
idea
of
a
liberal
contribution
policy
that
is
common
in
the
javascript
open
source
area,
particularly
around
node.js
they're,
really
well
known
for
their
liberal
contribution
policy,
and
then
this
idea
of
of
a
circular
economy.
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And
so
you
get
this
virtuous
circle
where,
where
usage
would
drive
the
value
of
the
token
and
innovation
in
the
software
and
it
would
feed
in
on
itself.
So
that's
the
ideal
thing
we're
trying
to
achieve,
and
I
introduced
that
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
talks
internally
among
the
vip
members,
and
I
encourage
anybody
who
really
wants
to
engage
in
this
conversation.
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It's
great
anybody
can
can
talk
and
we
can
communicate
in
the
public
channel.
But
if
you
really
want
to
have
an
influence
in
this
organization,
I
encourage
you
to
get
some
tokens
hold
on
to
them.
Let
them
accrue
merit
and
then
get
access
to
the
vip
room.
To
really
have
your
voice
heard,
but
but
we've
been
talking
internally
about
the
need
for
a
front-facing
company
of
to
create
a
an
entity
in
the
fiat
world
that
legally
exists.
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And
since
what
we're
working
on
is
relatively
new,
I
mean
it's
not
new
in
internet
years,
but
in
business
years
it
is
relatively
new
we're
talking
about
how
do
we
find
this
solution
to
this
problem
of
of
somebody
just
walking
away
from
code
and
it
breaking
a
lot
of
other
things
and
like
so
that's
part
of
where
we're
coming
at
with
this?
Is
we
think
that
being
able
to
divide
into
different
areas
is
going
to
benefit
us
so
that
we
can
focus
in
different
areas
and
help
solve
this
open
source
problem?.
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Yes,
yes
totally
totally,
and
we
want
to
figure
out
a
way
that
makes
sense
for
everybody
involved
to
maintain
that
open
software
for
the
future,
so
that
people
can
continue
to
use
it.
So
you
know
we're
let's,
why
don't
we
move
into
each
one
of
these
agendas?
Because
we
were
talking
about
this
quarter
three
strands?
So
why
don't
we
talk
about
this
certification
and
apprenticeship
program
and
how
this
can
tie
in
and
help
solve
this
open
source
problem.
F
Yeah,
well,
it's
something:
we've
we've
talked
about
the
last
few
meetings
and
basically
one
of
the
there's,
a
constant
stream
of
developers
entering
the
cryptocurrency
space.
Now
any
one
particular
blockchain
project
is,
is
good
or
bad
at
retaining
developers.
But
there
is
there.
Is
this
constant
stream
of
new
developers
entering
the
cryptocurrency
space?
So
so
a
part
of
this,
like,
like
I'm
at
a
very
high
level
here,
like
one
of
these
high-level
problems,
is
how
do
you
retain
developers
and
essentially
capture
their
interest
and
grow
your
network?
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The
idea
here
is
if
we
could
provide
developers
a
certification
program
to
go
to
to
prove
and
separate
themselves
out
from
from
the
background
noise
that
we
could
develop
a
roster,
that
we
could
then
hand
off
to
these
entrepreneurs
and
say
you
know
here
you
go
here-
are
a
list
of
developers
that
have
the
skills
that
you
need
and
it's
a
win-win-win.
So
the
psf
wins,
because
our
tools
get
used
and
we
are
more
known.
F
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Yeah
yeah,
this
so
kind
of
the
idea
here
is:
there's,
there's
three
tiers.
You
can
think,
and
we
weren't
talking
about
it
like
a
certification
program
or
development
school,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
captures
what
we're
after
as
well
as
we
want
to
and
that's
why.
Yesterday
we
started
looking
at
it
as
almost
an
apprenticeship,
so
we
have
these
three
tiers
that
we're
looking
at
doing
with
this
this
program
and
the
initial
tier
you
could
think
of
as
a
certification
program.
This
is
where
you
come
in.
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You
learn
the
ins
and
outs.
You
learn
how
to
work.
You
earn
these
badges.
You
learn
how
to
do
the
code,
pull
requests
all
that
work
within
the
community
and
then
once
you've
done
that
and
you
graduated
on
you
get
into
the
apprenticeship
program
in
which
you're
actually
doing
on
the
job,
work
and
part
of
that
on
the
job.
D
Some
of
your
job
may
be
to
maintain
the
open
source
code
that
we
are
a
part
of,
and
some
of
it
may
be
find
some
developers
that
are
tired
of
maintaining
their
own
code
and
let's
bring
it
under
the
umbrella
to
maintain
as
we
grow
now.
A
lot
of
this
will
be
fleshed
out
in
the
future,
so
none
of
it's
set
in
stone.
D
We're
just
trying
to
make
the
ideas
right
now,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
trying
to
clarify
here
is
that
the
psf
and
the
the
open
source
software
that
the
psf
is
working
on
we're
trying
to
make
a
distinction
between
projects
and
products
right,
that's
something
we've
really
been
talking
about
now.
The
psf
is
interested
in
creating
projects
and
the
dev
develop.
The
apprenticeship
program
works
to
train
people
up
to
work
within
the
psf
and
also
what
we're
calling
this
for
front-facing
business.
D
So,
let's
I
mean:
let's
talk
about
the
psf
a
little
bit
as
the
research
and
development
and
maintenance.
I
almost
think
it
needs
to
be
r
and
d
and
m
now
you
know,
because
not
only
are
we
researching
and
developing
stuff,
but
we
are
geared
towards
the
maintenance
of
internet
utilities
that
we
all
use
so
that
they
can
keep
working
on
into
the
future.
F
Well,
yeah:
we
should
probably
start
by
by
really
explaining
the
difference
between
an
open
source
product
and
an
open
source
project,
because
that
that
is
really
the
the
crux
of
the
conversation
and
it
there's
a
link
here
under
suggested
reading,
building
a
business
on
open
source
by
john
mark
walker.
That'll.
Take
you
to
the
pdf
copy
of
the
book
and
he
goes.
He
does
a
great
job
in
this
in
this
essay
of
describing
the
difference
between
a
project
and
a
product,
and
you
know
real
life.
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Examples
of
projects
are
like
the
linux
project
or
the
node.js
project
and
then
or
the
psf
would
be
considered
like
our
core
software
would
be
a
project,
whereas
fullstack.cache
would
probably
be
more
classified
as
a
product
and
the
the
difference
here
is
sort
of
the
difference
between
river
water
and
bottled
water.
So,
if
you
think
of
like
river
that
you
know
you
can
drink
both
of
them,
they'll
both
quench
your
thirst
but
depending
on
the
particular
river
you're
talking
about
in
this.
This
analogy
comes
from
the
red
hat
ceo.
F
He
gave
this.
I
think
the
title
of
that
book-
it's
in
my
blog
post,
but
but
the
idea
is
like
river
water's
kind
of
like
raw,
uncensored,
open
source
code.
It's
it's
there.
Anybody
can
access
it,
it's
a
common,
good
and
the,
but
so
what
so,
this
question
that
comes
up
a
lot
that
people
ask
themselves
when
they're
thinking
about
open
source
business
models.
Is
you
know
why
would
you
pay
for
open
source
code?
It's
kind
of
like
saying
like?
Why
would
you
pay
for
river
water?
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Well,
you
wouldn't,
but
you
will
pay
for
bottled
water,
because
bottled
water
doesn't
have
any
diseases.
It's
it's
been
filtered
and
it's
it's
clear.
So
it's
attractive
looking
and
that's
sort
of
the
difference
between
a
project
and
a
product.
The
product
is
the
bottled
water.
It's
this
raw
code,
that's
been
filtered
and
tested
against
the
environment
that
the
products
going
to
be
running
in
probably
offers
service
and
support,
and,
and
it's
just
it's
just
held
to
a
higher
quality
standard.
F
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The
psf
is
the
factory
that
makes
the
bike
pieces
right
and
that
the
front-facing
business
is
the
one
that
puts
them
together
and
customizes
the
bike
for
you
right
and
that's
where
I
see
open
source
the
project
versus
the
product.
The
project
may
be
creating
the
chains
for
the
bike
or
even
the
shocks
or
the
tires
and
stuff
like
that.
But
you
don't
go
to
the
factory
to
get
them
to
customize
your
bike.
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So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
we're
seeing
that
there
is
this
clear
distinction
here
and
that's
where
I
think
you've
really
clarified
where
you
want
to
be
at
chris.
Where
is
you
want
to
be
developing
those
projects,
developing
the
gears
of
the
bike,
developing
the
tires
developing
how
things
work,
you're,
you're,
putting
the
bike
through
the
wind
tunnel,
you
know
and
seeing
how
aerodynamic
it
is,
and
things
like
that
and
we-
and
that
leads
us
to
the
the
reason
for
having
this
this
third
front
facing
business
is
this
is
the
bike
shop.
F
Yeah
yeah
and
another
like
distinguishing
factor
here
between
a
project
and
a
product
before
we
move
on,
is
projects
sort
of
just
exist.
They
don't
have
overhead
and
business
concerns
that
a
business
does,
but
a
product
is
tied
directly
to
a
business
and
so
it
when
the
business
ends
the
product
ends,
whereas
a
project
like
the
node.js
foundation
or
the
linux
foundation
like
they
well.
F
Those
are
those
are
foundations,
but
you
know
the
mocha,
the
testing
framework,
that's
another
good
example
of
a
project
or
babel
the
transpiler
for
for
different
for
javascript.
That's
a
good
example
of
another
project.
Those
can
change
hands.
They
can
go
sort
of
into
hibernation
for
long
periods
of
time
and
then
come
back
out
and
and
they
can,
they
can
be
under
the
the
the
maintenance
of
a
of
a
different
person
from
time
to
time.
But
the
project
never
really
ends.
F
There's
there's
they
don't
have
burn
rates,
they
don't
have
income
considerations,
the
coat
kind
of
lives
on
and-
and
so
that's
another
really
important
distinction-
and
that's
that's
that
section
in
the
blog,
where
I
talk
about
liberal
contribution
policies,
particularly
if
a
project
has
a
good
liberal
contribution
policy,
it
that's
sort
of
the
the
the
better
model
that
the
javascript
community
has
established
to
keep
some
of
these
projects
alive
and
keep
them
from
from
essentially
falling
off
the
cliff.
When,
when
the
original
developer,
maintainer
essentially
leaves
the
project.
F
So
that's
that's
another
really
important
distinction
in
in
in
this
discussion
and
and
so
to
bring
us
back
around
to
what
you
were
saying
yeah.
I
I
see
my
role
within
the
psf
really
to
to
help
curate
these
projects
and
and
and
and
get
contributions
from
the
from
the
wider
community
and
and
integrate
them,
but
but
that's
not
the
same
thing
as
refining
it
into
a
product.
F
That's
why
the
psf
really
needs
to
have
a
consortium
of
businesses
of
entrepreneurs
who
want
to
take
our
river
water
and
refine
it
into
bottled
water
or
wants
to
take
our
bike
parts
and
assemble
complete
bikes,
and
you
know
so.
There's
there's
value
at
both
and
we
need
both
and
and
that's
sort
of
the
direction.
I'd
like
to
see
things
head.
D
Yeah
yeah,
I
can
understand
that
and
the
idea
that
this
really
all
of
them
play
into
each
other.
That's
why
I
ended
up
calling
it
a
court
of
three
strands
this
week
is
because
they
all
will
work
into
each
other
to
build
something
more.
We've
been
talking
about
the
idea
of
like
a
milking
stool,
you
know,
and
how
the
each
one's
a
leg
on
the
stool
and
the
stool
really
is
the
these
open
source
projects
right
open
source
code.
How
do
we
maintain
this
over
the
long
time?
D
And
how
do
we
incentivize
people
to
maintain
it,
as
we
have
seen
very
often,
especially
in
the
crypto
space?
People
create
amazing
products
and
then
they're
like
that
book
working
in
public
that
I've
read
through,
I
think
done,
you're
reading
through
it
one
of
the
things
she
talks
about.
Is
you
get
a
lot
of
hype
and
a
lot
of
excitement
when
you
first
come
out
with
this
product
and
then
two
three
years
ago
later
nobody's
caring
about
it.
D
So
it's
really
hard
to
maintain
that
sort
of
thing
and
so
developers
move
on
from
a
project
because,
oh
I
did
it
it's
done.
It's
out
there
and
they're
not
really
concerned
with
the
businesses
that
have
built
themselves
on
that
foundation,
and
so
it's
we
have
a
twofold
problem.
There
is
the
businesses
that
build
themselves
on
the
foundation
that
a
developer
just
decides.
Well,
I'm
tired!
I'm
done
I'm
moving
on
there.
F
Yeah
yeah
and
I
just
want
to
riff
on
what
you
said,
because
that's
that's
another
very
important
point
in
this
discussion,
and
this
is
this-
is
a
discussion
like
we're
kind
of.
I
think
what
aaron
and
I
are
trying
to
do
right
now
is
tap
on
this,
so
that
we
can
continue
the
discussion.
You
know
both
in
this
meeting,
but
also,
more
importantly,
in
the
psf
telegram
channel
but
yeah
in
working
in
public
nadia
ekbal.
F
She
she
does
a
great
job
of
exploring
the
difference
between
intrinsic
motivation
and
extrinsic
motivation
and,
like
you
said
that
is
a
business
risk,
because
if
a
business
builds
on
top
of
an
open
source
project,
but
then
the
maintainer
leaves
that
project
that's
a
source
of
business
risk
and
and
the
maintainers
who
create
open
source
project
often
do
it
because
of
intrinsic
motivation.
They're
doing
it
because
you
know
the
same
way.
The
same
reason.
F
Why
artists,
you
know
paint
or
you
know
they
it's
it's
a
creative
outlet
and
then
once
it
starts
to
become
you
know
a
job,
then
it's
then
it's
not
as
much
fun
and
that's
when
extrinsic
motivation
is
a
good
good
time
to
kick
in
a
little
extrinsic
motivation,
which
is
you
know
paying
someone
like.
If
you
do
this,
I
will
pay
you
and
and
that's
what
businesses
are
all
about.
F
We
can
create
a
bounty
for
that,
like
those
are
a
couple
examples
of
where
intrinsic
extrinsic
motivation
works
really
well
and-
and
so
this
is.
This
is
largely
what
the
the
psf
project
is
concerned
with
is
is
finding
that
right
balance
between
intrinsic
motivation,
extrinsic
motivation,
harnessing
a
token
economic
model
that
starts
with
the
intrinsic
motivation,
but
can
produce
value
for
extrinsically
motivated
developers.
D
They
are
intrinsically
motivated
either
and
it
could
be
a
financial
trend
motivation,
but
they're
also
motivated
to
gain
that
next
badge
to
basically
put
on
their
resume
to
move
up
the
ladder
to
to
a
journeyman
status.
If
we're
talking
apprenticeship
and
also
they
don't
have
to
get
burnt
out,
because
they
don't
have
to
be
think
this
is
what
I'm
doing
for
the
next
10
years
of
my
life
is
maintaining
this
code
right
here.
That's
it.
D
You
know
they
can
maintain
it
for
a
period,
teach
somebody
else
and
then
pass
it
on
and
this
I
I
like
this
idea
of.
I
mean
it's.
It's
like
how
we
used
to
pass
down
myths
in
society.
You
know
you
would
maintain
the
myth
and
then
you'd
teach
it
to
your
kids
and
they'd.
Pass
it
on
and
open
source
can
very
much
be
that
way,
and
in
a
lot
of
ways
it
is
kind
of
a
mythos.
F
G
G
D
I
J
D
K
J
K
All
right
so
feedback,
I'm
concerned
when
there's
a
new
token
introduced
every
time,
just
because
tokens
very
rarely
work,
it's
hard
to
actually
drive
demand
on
them
for
the
economic
side
and
it's
hard
to
prove
value.
I
feel
like
oftentimes,
it's
just
easier
to
take
to
first
at
least
first
get
traction
by
accepting
whatever
token
people
would
offer
and
coming
up
with
some
disbursement
wet
contract
system
around
that
I
will
say
the
most
thing,
I'm
most
excited
about
what
you
said
was
the
apprenticeship
program.
K
I've
been
saying
that
this
needs
to
happen
for
years.
I
think
that
coding
doesn't
necessarily
require
a
degree.
I
think
that
if
we
want
to
get
people
engaged
in
any
community
whatsoever,
we
need
to
be
able
to
be
open
and
accepting
of
people
who
are
highly
intrinsically
motivated
to
participate
and
to
create
a
way
where
they're
not
just
doing
it
for
free
all
the
time.
K
K
So
you
know,
I
think
that
having
both
sides
of
that
is
excellent,
I
think
it's
good
considerations
to
have
so
far.
You
know
I'm
waiting
to
see
about
the
tokens.
I
have
not
read
your
blog
article,
I'm
skeptical
of
tokens
just
because
they
often
don't
work,
there's
so
many
cokes
that
just
flat
out
fail,
and
even
though
I
understand
the
compensation
model
surrounding
it,
meaning
that,
if
they're
compensated
tokens,
there's
a
flexible
marketplace
well,
the
problem
with
that
is
the
marketplace
could
drop
off
and.
H
F
That's
great
feedback
man
yeah
well
I'll
just
this
is
a
great
time
just
for
me
to
give
some
cliff
notes
on
the
token
economic
model.
The
first
thing
that
that's
important
to
realize
about
the
token
is
it's
not
for
end
users.
End
users,
don't
need
to
be
aware
or
interact
with
the
token
it's
really
just
for
the
developers
and
so
the
and
it's
really
just
an
accounting
system
for
tracking.
F
The
idea
is
that,
like
users
who
use
fullstack.cache
services
they
pay
subscription
and
that
burns
tokens
or
users
who
use
message.fullstack.cache
to
send
end
encrypted
messages,
they
pay
a
transaction
fee,
and
that
goes
to
burn
tokens.
So
the
idea
is
not
really
for
us
to
force
these
tokens
down.
End
users
throats.
They
shouldn't
even
really
know
the
token
exists,
but
through
the
usage
of
the
software
we
produce
these
these
products
that
we're
hoping
to
build
a
consortium
of
businesses.
F
To
start
you
know
really
cranking
out
that
should
burn
but
take
tokens
out
of
out
of
circulation
and
then
the
other
like
really
important
like
thing
about
our
token
economic
model,
that's
I've!
Never
I
haven't
really
seen
anywhere
else.
Is
it
borrows
this
idea
from
the
bank
or
white
paper
where
our
token
liquidity
app
maintains
perfect
liquidity
between
our
token
and
a
reserve
asset?
F
We
don't
require
a
market
and
we
don't
require
exchanges
and
and
the
app
the
mathematic.
You
know
the
the
the
sort
of
catch
there
is
that
our
we
have.
This
non-linear
mathematical
function
that
that
governs
our
exchange
rate,
so
you
might
get
a
shitty
exchange
rate.
If
there's
a
panic
and
everybody
tries
to
sell
their
tokens
at
once,
but
thanks
to
that
math,
the
app
can't
actually
ever
run
out
of
the
reserve
asset.
F
So
it
does
maintain
liquidity.
It
just
doesn't
maintain
a
constant
exchange
rate,
which
is,
I
think,
the
thing
that
a
lot
of
people
conceptually
have.
You
know
it's
a
hurdle
for
people
to
get
over,
but
but
those
are
sort
of
the
the
cliff
notes
on
the
token
economic
model.
The
token
really
is
not
important.
It's
it's
simply
a
it's
simply,
a
machine
for
us
to
achieve
these
higher
level
goals.
K
I
still
I
still
need
to
read
the
article
personally
like
you
said.
The
fact
that
the
market
could
drop
out
is
a
concern
of
mine,
and
I
don't
want
that
to
happen
to
people,
because
they
should
be
fairly
compensated
for
their
time
and
honestly.
I
want
them
to
immediately
redeem
it
like.
I
do.
I
think
it's
good
for
the
networks
they're
participating
in
to
immediately
redeem
the
tokens
which
you
know.
K
Why
did
we
even
have
the
token
in
the
first
place,
so
that's
kind
of
where
my
thought
process
is,
but
I
still
need
to
read
your
article
so
I'll
definitely
take
a
look
at
that
if
you
can
send
it
to
me
or
I
could
get
don
or
somebody
sent
to
me,
I'm
on
my
walk
right
now.
I'll
read
it
later,
but
you
know
it's
interesting
to
me
that
the
fact
that
there's
a
token
also
have
you
looked
into
like
pan
bala.
I
think
they
originally
started
out.
K
Fan
vala
on
the
ethereum
network
originally
started
out
with
this
sort
of
idea,
and
I
think
they
might
have
pivoted
away,
but
they
still
offer
their
own
token
and
they
still
build
communities
around
that.
I
think
it's
like
a
donation
model.
Now
I
can't
recall,
but
it's
it's
something
that
to
look
into,
and
I
think
the
original
concept
of
the
git
coin
was
actually
close
to
what
you're
saying
right
now.
F
D
All
right,
and
one
of
the
things
too,
is
we're,
we're
looking
to
be
more
blockchain
agnostic
as
the
psf
and
to
work
between
a
lot
of
different
blockchains
to
develop
some
of
these
protocols
that
people
will
be
working
with
and
and
once
again
I
do
think
we
are
going
to
see
a
point
where
we
begin
to
unco
encompass
open
source
software.
That's
not
even
crypto
related,
and
I
see
that
in
the
future.
For
us
as
well.
F
Yeah
I
mean
particularly
I've
been
thinking
about
that
a
bit
because
when
you
first
like
had
that
realization,
it
threw
me
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
I'm
thinking
more
and
more,
particularly
around
accounting
and
just
in
just
sort
of
business,
compliance
and
stuff.
Like
that,
I
think
that's
really.
The
intersection
of
crypto
and
just
non-crypto
open
source
is,
you
know
once
you're
a
business
and
you
start
integrating
cryptocurrency
into
your
business
process.
F
F
Well
now
you
have
these
digital
assets
and
you
need
to
track
them
and
you
need
to
report
on
them
and
you
need
to
understand
where
they're
going
and
how
they're
being
used
and
every
business
is
going
to
have
the
same
concern
so
that
that's
kind
of
how
I
see
it.
You
know
to
bring
that
idea
of.
Maybe
we
could
grow
outside
the
cryptocurrency
space
into
the
more
general
open
source
space.
I
I
think
that
that's
probably
the
the
obvious
path
forward
there
on
that.
With
that
concept.
D
D
D
So
but
yeah
and
we
so
there
are
protocols
we're
still
working
on
and
we'd
like
to
release
soon.
The
nft
locking
protocol
is
one
of
them
that
we've
been
talking
about
chris
and
the
idea
is
we're
not
gonna,
take
the
giant
step
forward
and
locking
up
nfts
in
order
for
the
owners
to
use
them,
but
we're
gonna
try
to
take
a
small
step
and
and
keep
it
open
source
so
that
somebody
else
can
take
steps
after
us.
D
F
K
C
F
D
So
now
bringing
this
back
full
circle.
Before
we
move
on
to
the
last
agenda,
which
is
any
news,
anybody
that's
out
there
that
is
interested
in
this
sort
of
certification,
apprenticeship
program.
We
would
love
to
talk
to
you.
We
are
gonna,
be
developing
this
thing
over
the
next
few
months
and
hope
to
launch
it
as
soon
as
possible
and
we'll
definitely
have
some
ups
and
downs
with
it
and
if
you've,
if
you've
got
product
ideas,
come
talk.
D
F
Well
before
we
before,
we
start
riffing
too
too
freely.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
for
the
the
psf
members
that
are
watching
this.
We've
got
a
new
infrastructure
proposal
up
on
the
website.
So
if
you
go
to
psfoundation.cache
click
on
the
menu,
one
of
the
menu
items
is
proposals.
The
the
token
airdrop
happened
yesterday.
So
the
way
just
to
recap
for
everybody
the
way
these
these
token
votings
work
is
the
top
50
addresses
of
psf
token
holders
is
by
merit.
F
So
merit
is
the
token
quantity
that
you
own
and
also
the
number
of
days,
multiplied
by
the
number
of
days
that
you've
you
held
them
in
your
address
without
moving.
That's
that's
a
the
merit
value,
that's
calculated,
so
the
the
top
50
addresses
by
merit
received
an
airdrop
yesterday
of
a
voting
token,
and
so
there
are
qr
codes
on
the
proposal
page
at
psfoundation.cash,
and
this
is
to
fund
the
infrastructure
costs
over
the
next
quarter,
and
so
there's
a
yes
qr
code
and
a
no
qr
code
and
an
abstain,
qr
code.
F
D
D
K
Sweet,
so
I
do
that
stream.
You
guys
were
talking
about
earlier
every
tuesday,
wednesday,
thursday
at
3
p.m.
Eastern
standard
time
us
come
on
by
like
tuesday
is
basically
all
about
avalanche.
Wednesday
is
all
about
just
technical
talk
and
thursday's
a
free-for-all
so
call
by
encourage
people
to
climb
in
and
give
me
stuff
to
look
at
and
I'll
read
it
look
at
it
right.
There
live
on
the
air,
so
yeah.
D
K
D
K
There's
the
bridge
that's
being
built,
there's
a
bunch
of
new
products
coming
out.
It
looks
like
a
lot
of
defy.
Applications
are
being
built.
Nothing
really
jumps
out
at
me
this
particular
week,
but
I
think
one
of
the
cool
things
that
have
happened
recently
is
that
wires
integrated
with
our
network
and
that
kucoin
is,
is
the
first
big
centralized
exchange
sex,
which
is
integrated
with
the
sea
chain,
which
is
the
ethereum
chain.
That's
on
on
avalanche,
so
yeah,
that's
very
exciting,
so
cool.
D
So
I've
been
pretty
busy
myself
working
with
360
stuff,
this
a
360
camera
behind
me
for
those
who
don't
know
it's
also.
What
I
do
is
produce
360
video
and
photography
and
vr
stuff,
and
I'm
that's
how
I
got
into
this,
because
I
was
excited
to
integrate
the
vr
world
with
crypto
world,
which
I
think
is
definitely
coming
so
chris
you
got
any
news.
You've
been
looking
at.
F
You
know
I've
had
my
blinders
on
this
last
week.
I
just
I've
been
working
so
hard
on
that
full
stack.cash
website
and
just
sort
of
rallying
the
troops
in
terms
of
the
the
psf
vip
membership.
To
really
have
a
lot
of
the
discussion
that
we
printed
presented
in
this
meeting
today.
So
yeah
I've-
I
I
don't
know,
what's
going
on
in
the
world
other
than
what's
happening
to
the
psf.
D
F
C
F
News,
because
it's
it's
nuanced,
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
just
good
news
across
the
board.
It's
a
very
it's
actually
a
very
nuanced
topic
and
the
person
who
I've
been
following
the
thought
leader
in
this
space.
I've
been
following
closely
about.
It
is
naomi
brockwell,
because
she's
she's
enthusiastic,
but
also
healthily,
skeptic,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
good
way
to
do
so.
For
those
who
haven't
heard
el
salvador
passed
a
law
to
make
bitcoin
legal
tender
and
they
didn't
specifically
call
out
btc.
F
They
called
up
bitcoin,
but
I
think
the
intent
there
is
btc
and,
and
the
company
strike,
who
has
a
lightning
network
wallet,
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
outreach
out
there.
So
that's
the
intent
is
remittances
using
the
lightning
network,
and
so
that's
that's
interesting.
You
know
we'll
we'll
remains
to
be
seen
how
effective
that's
going
to
be
at
scale,
but
but
it's
it's
progress
for
the
industry
as
a
whole,
and
so
I'm
excited
about
that.
F
So
I
think
that's
pretty
interesting
the
thing
that
I
find
more
the
most
fascinating
about
this
whole
story,
like
I
said,
there's
a
lot
of
little
rabbit
trails.
You
go
go
down,
but
it's
the
macro
economic
framework
like
they're,
the
first
company
you're,
the
first
country
to
legitimately,
make
a
cryptocurrency
legal
tender
and
there's
several
south
american
countries
that
are
been
bolstered
by
this
move
and
are
talking
about
doing
the
same
thing.
So
it's
I
I'm
excited
by
the
possibility
that
this
could
simply
be
the
first
domino
in
a
chain
of
dominoes,
falling.
D
I
So
I
like,
I
did
actually
download
it
and
get
approved
and
stuff.
So
it's
it's.
Basically,
it's
even
like
tighter
than
getting
like
a
cash
app.
You
know
they
have
to
go
through
like
an
approval
process
before
you
can
actually
send
or
receive
anything,
and
I
almost
paused
if
it's
denominated
in
fiat-
and
I
saw
some
people
saying
synthetic
us
dollars-
it
looks
like
this
is
actually
probably
a
lightning
implementation
using
tether
tokens.
I
So
really
I
mean
that
might
be
wrong.
I
have
a
really
hard
time
trying
to
find
out
how
it
actually
works.
It's
very
like
almost
impossible
to
to
find
anything
on
it,
but
very
odd
choice
of
like
the
use
of
the
technology
compared
to
you
know.
I
was
at
the
bitcoin
miami
conference
and
like
seeing
the
announcement
versus
what
it
looks
like
actually
happening.
I'm
always
like
extremely
pessimistic
of,
like
literally
anything.
C
F
I
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
guess
if
they
want
somebody
to
like,
you
know
geo
arbitrage
money
over
there.
They
probably
you
know
whoever's
here
in
the
us,
probably
doesn't
matter
care
too
much
about
going
through
kyc
like
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
like
an
insanely,
lengthy
process,
but
you
know
when
I,
when
I
see
that
versus
what
like
most
bitcoin
enthusiasts
are
like
touting
is,
you
know,
what's
actually
happening.
It
just
looks
like
two
opposing
stories.
F
D
I
Whenever
I
went
to
my
like
conference
days
or
like
2017-ish
2018-ish,
which
you
know
it
had,
was
in
its
own
hype
cycle,
but
you
know
the
the
couple
hundred
people
that
would
go
to
those
conferences
versus
just
the
thousands
and
thousands
that
went
this
time.
It
just
seemed
like
the
difference
between
a
a
tight-knit
group
and
like
a
carnival
I
mean
I
didn't.
C
I
F
I
I
Yeah
yeah
and
then
you
had
like
the
whale
pass
group,
which
seemed
a
bit
odd,
which
I
wasn't
about
to
fork
over
20
000,
to
like
just
hang
out
with
some
other
people
that
paid
twenty
thousand
dollars.
But
I
don't
know
just
the
energy.
It
was
just
so
much
different
than
what
I'm
used
to
and
plus
you
couldn't
like
fit
in
like
there
was
just
so
much
so
many
people
there
was.
It
was
oversold
massively
where
you
had
most
of
the
conference
I
had
to
like.
I
I
D
That's
nuts,
that's
nuts!
Well,
thanks
for
that
update
man.
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
it's.
There
are
a
lot
of
new
people
in
crypto
and
a
lot
of
people
that
are
just
get
looking
to
get
rich,
and
but
this
is
also
it
an
economic
transition,
and
it's
one
that
I
don't
think
anybody
has
a
full
grasp
on.
Yet
what
it's
going
to
look
like
in
the
end
and
for
students,
a
history
I
would
definitely
go
back
and
research.
Some
of
the
same
things
I
mean.
D
If
you
look
at
the
early
1700s
in
america,
the
first
federal
reserve
we've
had
three
of
them,
the
first
federal
reserve
they
did
away
with
that.
They
didn't
renew
the
charter,
so
that
would
be
another
shift
in
how
currencies
were
done.
They
you
had
shifts
during
the
andrew
jackson
did
away
with
the
second
federal
reserve.
D
You
had
a
shift
in
1872.
I
believe
it
was
when
they
outlawed
silver
for
use
as
currency,
and,
in
fact,
if,
if
you
look
at
the
wizard
of
oz,
the
wizard
of
oz
is
actually
an
allegory
of
the
political
times
where
the
scarecrow
represented
the
farmer.
The
tin
man
represented
the
industrial
worker
and
the
cowardly
lion
was
william
jennings
brian,
who
ran
on
the
populist
party,
with
the
idea
that
they
were
going
to
make
silver
legal
tender
again
and
the
ruby
slippers
were
actually
silver
slippers.
D
D
D
D
Yeah,
I
think
that's
about
it.
Unless
anybody
else
has
some
news
and
I
think
we're
we
can
go
ahead
and
I'll
cue
up
the
outro
here
and
well,
we'll
see
you
later
don
see
you
guys.
Actually
you
guys
can
stick
by
after
this,
because
I'll
stop
the
stream
and
then
we
can
talk,
we
can
rap.
So
all
right
thanks.
D
Oh,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
thought
you
coughed,
maybe
for
those
in
the
psf
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