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A
A
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
let's
do
a
brief
round
of
introductions.
My
name
is
chris
troutner.
I
founded
the
permissionless
software
foundation
with
several
other
people,
but
I'm
currently
the
head
janitor
trying
to
just
keep
keep
the
machinery
running
david,
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself.
B
A
Awesome
awesome:
okay!
Well
with
that,
let's
jump
into
the
agenda
with
oh
aaron.
Well,
aaron
is
just
sort
of
standing
by
he's
he's
interested
in
what
we're
doing
he
participated
in
our
community
chat
last
week.
A
Doing
some
pretty
interesting
stuff
with
nfts,
okay,
so
on
the
agenda
today.
Basically
the
focus
for
today
and
these
technical
steering
committee
meetings
we're
not
really
yet
big
enough
to
have
a
formal
agenda.
A
A
Every
couple
weeks
give
a
shout
out
to
the
developers
in
the
community
that
are
working
hard
on
improving
the
the
software
that
the
foundation
curates
so
I'll
just
go
through
this
list
fairly
quickly.
There's
a
lot
to
a
lot
to
point
out,
so
wallet.fullstack.cache
has
had
the
alpha
label
removed.
So
there
was
previously
a
big
red
warning
sign
here.
That
said,
you
know
warning
alpha.
A
Things
will
break
the
software's
stable,
we're,
not
planning
any
major
upgrades
that
would
that
would
introduce
breaking
changes
we'll
continue
to
from
here
on
out
we're
pretty
much
just
going
to
focus
on
plug-ins,
which
which
don't
have
the
possibility
of
breaking
breaking
backwards,
compatibility
they're,
just
add-ons,
so
the
wallet's
fairly
stable.
It's
been
working
really
good.
We
haven't
had
any
complaints
from
anyone
in
a
long
time.
A
So
that's
why
we
removed
the
alpha,
we're
also
starting
to
experiment
with
native
ios
and
android
apps
ios
is
going
to
be
a
little
slow
just
because
very
few
people
in
the
community
have
apple
products
because
we
tend
to
be
focused
in
south
america
and
I
don't
think
there's
anyone
in
south
america
who
owns
an
apple
product
and
but
we
we
do
have
an
android
apk.
A
If
you
go
to
the
about
page,
you
can
get
a
link
to
the
github
repository
and
I
think
we
actually
call
out
yeah
you
can
download
right
here
is
the
link
to
the
apk
in
the
github
repository.
If
you
want
to
sideload
it
as
an
app,
you
may
run
into
rate
limits
that
way.
A
We're
we're
thinking
about
how
to
set
this
up
for
a
better
user
experience
for
native
phone
we're
also
trying
to
like,
as
it
says
here,
I
won't
go
over
it,
but
if
anybody
is
curious,
this
is
really
a
developer
tool.
So
the
focus
for
us
is
not
on
building
native
phone
apps,
but
to
show
that
it
is
possible
to
build
a
phone
app
really.
The
intent
of
this
wallet
is
is
for
businesses
to
fork
it
and
build
on
top
of
it
and
customize
it
hit
the
ground
running.
A
So
that
is
wallet.fullstack.cache
pretty
excited
to
get
the
alpha
label
removed.
A
lot
of
people
have
have
asked
over
the
last
few
months
when
we're
going
to
remove
it.
It's
finally
done
gone
okay,
so
cash
strap
is
a
web
page
on
the
full
stack
dot
cash
website
and
the
entire
cash
stack
or
infrastructure
that
we
run
at
fullstack.cash
and
charge
access
for
can
be
run
independently
by
anyone.
One
of
our
big
goals
has
always
been
to
not
be
a
walled
garden
and,
and
what
we
mean
by
that
is.
A
We
don't
want
to
force
people
to
use
our
software
if
they
are
capable
and
prefer
the
the
the
sovereignty
and
also
the
risk
and
reward
of
running
your
own
infrastructure.
So
we
are
supporting
three
chains,
the
the
bitcoin
cash
chain,
the
the
e-cash
or
abc
chain
and
the
test
net
chain,
and
so
for
test
net
three,
which
is
based
on
the
the
bch
and
full
node.
There's,
there's
kind
of
a
couple:
different
test:
net
threes.
Now
that
they've
forked
and
there's
even
a
test
net
four.
A
All
of
these
files,
they're
they're
pre-synced
databases-
so,
for
example,
here
is
the
the
block
chain
for
test
net
three:
it's
approximately
23
gigabytes.
We
distribute
these
files
over
ipfs,
that's
new.
We
had
previously
distributed
them
over
torrent,
but
now
we're
distributing
them
over
ipfs.
A
This
way
you
know
trying
to
sync
from
genesis
both
trying
to
do
the
whole
stack,
a
full
node
in
fulcrum
index
or
an
slp
indexer
takes
several
weeks
and
about
two
terabytes
of
data.
In
this
case,
you
can
get
up
and
running
as
fast
as
you
can
download
the
files.
A
So
if
you
are
in
a
data
center
with
a
with
big
pipes-
and
you
have
a
high
download
speed,
your
your
time
to
get
new
infrastructure
set
up
is
based
on
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
for
you
to
download
these
files,
because
then
you
just
run
the
docker
container.
It
mounts
the
files
and
all
it
has
to
do
is
sync
from
the
time
the
snapshot
snapshot
was
taken,
which
in
most
of
these
cases
was
april
12th
just
a
few
days
ago.
A
So
this
is
an
excellent
way
for
I
I'm
seeing
more
and
more
businesses
do
this.
I
was
just
talking
to
a
business.
Actually,
that
is
in
the
process
of
spinning
up
their
own
test
net
infrastructure,
and
it's
it's
a
great
way
to
dev.
You
know
when
you're,
when
you're
serious
business
building
a
serious
application.
You
typically
want
to
have
some
in-house
infrastructure
that
is
sort
of
a
sandbox,
that's
totally
within
your
control.
A
But
then,
when
you
move
to
production
and
you're
worried
about
scaling,
that's
when
cloud
services
become
really
important
and
the
architecture
becomes
really
important.
So
providing
these
tools
is
is
very
pro
business.
It's
very
pragmatic
from
a
business
standpoint,
so
that
took
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
get
all
that
organized
and
updated.
So
I'm
pat
myself
on
the
back
for
that.
A
Okay
and
then
another
like
really
exciting
piece
of
news
here
is,
is
the
slp
avalanche
bridge
is
functional
on
both
chains
and
in
both
directions.
I've
played
with
it
we're
in
the
process
of
setting
up
a
test,
server
and
and
creating
a
faucet
for
like
just
a
just
a
play
token
so
that
people
can
practice
sending
tokens
across
blockchains.
A
So
that's
probably
going
to
be
working
in
the
next
couple
weeks,
but
the
if
anybody
wants
to
go
to
this
agenda
and
follow
this
link.
They
can
look
at
the
code.
A
It's
based
on
the
token
liquidity
app
that
we
use
for
the
psf
token
and
there's
there's
a
test
folder
and
an
end-to-end
test
folder
in
that,
and
it's
got
end-to-end
test
scripts
that
people
can
use
if
they,
if
they
want
to
create
a
if
they
want
to
just
charge
ahead,
because
they're
excited
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
and
the
psf
for
for
help.
A
But
you
can
set
this
up
and
it
you
give
it
a
wallet
on
both
the
avalanche
chain
and
the
bitcoin
cash
chain,
and
then
you,
you
tell
it
the
the
tokens
that
you
want
it
to
be
using.
It
has
to
be
a
specific
token.
It
doesn't
work
with
generic
any
generic
token
and
and
it
will,
when
you
send
them
to
one
side,
it'll
burn
the
token
and
then
mint
it
on
the
other
side
and
send
it
to
the
address
that
you
specified
and
it
works
in
both
directions.
A
C
A
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
so
on
the
avalanche
side,
ava
labs
has
a
web
wallet
for
working
with
tokens
and
so
we'll
create
just
a
simple
single
page,
app,
that's
loaded
with
tokens
that
you
can
go
to
give
it.
Your
wallet,
address
and
it'll.
Send
you
tokens
on
the
avalanche
side
and
then
we'll
do
the
same
thing.
On
the
bch
side,
we'll
have
a
one-page
app
faucet,
where
you
can
give
it
a
bitcoin
cash
address
or
a
simple
ledger
address
and
it'll.
A
Send
you
so,
regardless
of
which
chain
you
prefer
or
start
from,
there
will
be
a
faucet
where
you
can
claim
tokens
and
then
and
then
move
them
across.
A
Yeah
good
question:
okay,
so
those
are
sort
of
the
the
more
immediate
things
now
we're
starting
to
transition
into
some
of
our
more
long-term
projects.
Chat.Fullstack.Cache
has
had
several
upgrades.
I've
actually
got
it
loaded
here
and
running.
A
A
So
it's
like
you
basically
call
out
like
this
data
has
to
do
with
a
person
or
a
place
or
thing
or
a
service
or
an
offer,
and
and
it's
a
schema.org
is
the
the
main
sort
of
source
for
this.
This
machine
readable
schema
that
we're
adopting,
and
so
one
of
the
most
fundamental
ideas
here
is
to
like,
if
is
to
give
it
a
name
like
to
identify
a
name.
So
one
of
the
upgrades
that
chat.fullstack
dot
cash
got
is
that
previously
you,
the
idea
of
chat?
A
A
So
now
what
happens
is
when
it
finds
a
new
peer
that
wants
to
communicate
with
it,
there's
a
there's,
a
json
ld
or
linked
data
payload
that
comes
through
and
there's
a
name
in
there,
and
it
pulls
that
name
out,
and
then
it
changes
the
button.
So
this
is
this
is
so
in
this
example.
This
is
a
generic
ipfs
service
provider
that
it's
just
a
bot
that
I
set
up
and
it
pops
up
for
everybody,
and
you
can
interact
with
it.
You
can
send
it.
A
Json,
rpc
commands
and
just
sort
of
the
cool
thing
here
is
we're
getting
away
from
from
the
the
ipfs
peer
ids
and
we're
moving
towards
human
readable
labels
and
in
starting
to
starting
to
leverage
this.
This
linked
data
concept
to
to
make
the
app
and
everything
more
human,
friendly
and
human
readable,
even
though
all
the
necessary
ipfs,
hashes
and
stuff
still
happen
under
the
hood
and
then
the
other
nice
thing
is
that
state
is
retained.
So,
let's,
let's
do
a
demo
and
see
if
it
works.
A
But
previously,
if
you
had
gone
to
like
wallet
or
gone
to
one
of
these
other
windows
and
then
clicked
back,
it
would
have
reset
your
entire
state.
But
now
you
can
see
it's
it's
fine.
All
my
chat
data
is
still
there
and
I
can
still
click
around
and
interact
with
with
everything.
So
things
don't
go
away.
The
app
works
like
it
should.
That's
that's
the
major
improvement
here.
A
So
that's
cool,
so
just
just
continue
again
chat.fullstack.cache.
It
can
be
used
as
an
end-to-end
encrypted
instant
messenger,
but
but
it's
it's
not
really
what
it's
intended
for!
It's
it's
intended
as
a
developer
tool
for
exploring
service
providing
services.
Uncensorable
services
over
ipfs.
A
So
I'm
pretty
excited
about
that,
because,
because
this
actually
let
this
the
second
one,
this
ipfs
service
provider-
that
that
feeds
into
this
next
one
daniel
huge
shout
out
to
daniel
for
all
this
work.
All
this
front-end
work
at
chat.fullstack.cache.
He
went
through
the
documentation
and
he
he
updated
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
so
there's
full
api
documentation
for
the
json
rpc.
So
here's
an
example
just
to
show
if
I
go
to
the
about
this
is
this
is
a
way
to
just
retrieve
information
about
another
node
on
the
on
the
network.
A
So
if
I
go
to
the
ipfs
service
provider-
and
I
paste
in
that
json
rpc-
it
will
respond
with
information
about
itself.
So
there
here's
a
little
a
little
blurb.
So
that's
what
this
api
documentation
is
is
for
these
sort
of
ipfs
service
providers,
which
it's
a
boilerplate,
that
people
can
fork
to
build
their
own
services.
A
So
it
comes
with
these
sort
of
basic
ways
of
interacting
with
it
like
querying
it
about
the
about
endpoint,
to
see
what
it's
about:
creating
a
user
typical
crud
endpoints
for
working
with
a
user
object
getting
a
jot
token.
If,
if
a
service
provider
wants
to
meter
out
services,
so
like
one
idea
here
is,
I
want
to
eventually
use
this
technology
to
break
up
fullstack.cache
so
that
fullstack.cache
is
not
a
monolithic
service.
A
That's
centralized
and
easy
to
censor.
I
would
like
to
fork
these
service
providers
so
that
anyone
with
a
full
node
can
set
up
a
service
provider
and
sell
access
to
that
full
node.
First,
such
as
like
broadcasting
transactions
or
maybe
getting
transaction
information,
that's
needed
to
to
do
something
like
verify
an
account
or
basically
think
of
anything
you
could
do
on
memo.cash.
A
So
the
idea
here
is
using
this
json
rpc.
Anybody
with
any
type
of
valuable
service
that
they
can
offer
over
the
internet
can
do
so.
Computers
can
interact
with
one
another
in
an
unsensible
way
and
exchange
money,
bitcoin
cash
or
other
cryptocurrencies.
So
that's
that's
the
big
picture
where
we're
heading
to
so.
This
is
just
one
more
step
in
that
long
journey,
but
it's
always
great
to
have
good
documentation,
we're
quickly
getting
to
a
point
where
people
can
safely
fork
the
software
and
start
customizing
it
for
their
own
business.
A
And
then
the
final
thing
on
the
agenda
to
cover
is
the
koa
api
boilerplate,
which
is
it's
actually
not
a
technically
a
psf
piece
of
software.
It's
in
my
personal
github
repo,
but
we've
used
this
software
to
we
forked
it
to
create
all
a
whole
bunch
of
software.
Just
a
few
of
them
is
like
the
jot
token
server
for
full
stack.cache
is
based
on
it.
The
psf
token
liquidity
app
is
based
on
it.
This
ipfs
service
provider
is
based
on
it.
A
It's
just
a
it's
a
node.js
app
for
creating
a
rest
api
server
and
then
what
we've
done
is
we
we
refactored
a
lot
of
the
tests
we
we
broke
them
up.
We
so
that
there's
tests
specifically
for
the
rest
api
and
then
there's
tests
specifically
for
the
json
rpc
over
ipfs,
and
then
there's
tests
specifically
for
the
business
logic.
A
So
just
by
breaking
it
up,
it
makes
it
a
better
boilerplate
so
that
when
you're
forking
it
to
customize
it
for
your
own
business,
you
have
very
clear
locations
for
where,
where,
depending
on
what
you're
doing,
where
to
put
your
tests
and
how
to
structure
your
code.
So
so
this
is,
this
is
really
just
going
back
and
polishing
our
assets
and
and
just
just
making
them
more
valuable
and
easier
to
use
easier
to
consume
easier
to
build.
On
top
of.
A
So
that's
pretty
much
the
agenda.
Did
you
guys
have
any
questions
about
what
I
covered
or
comments.
C
A
They're
really
different
things:
jason
ld
is
a
it's
just,
a
format
of
it's
just
a
generic
data
format.
So
it's
not
specific
to
any
particular
use
case.
It's
actually
like
a
web
3
standard,
so
they
they
built
it
with.
The
idea
of
you
know
for
use
in
web
pages
and
they
weren't
thinking
about
blockchains
or
ipfs,
or
anything
like
that
when
they
created
it
ipns
the
name
service
is
it's
it's
it's
many
things
what
it.
A
What
it
technically
is,
is
a
digital
hash
table,
a
dht
or
a
decentralized
hash
table,
and
it's
a
way
of
resolving
mutable
data
in
an
immutable
you
know,
ipfs
is
an
immune
uses,
dags
and
everything's
immutable.
You
can't
change
it
with
ipns.
You
can
sort
of
say
hey
this
hash
points
to
this
data,
and
then
you
can
change
that
pointer.
So
it's
a
way
for
them
to
do
mutable
data
in
an
immutable
system,
and
but
it
it's
got
a
lot
of
problems,
the
main
problem.
A
Being
that
it's
slow,
it's
really
really
slow,
and
so
that's
that's
led
to
a
lot
of
use
case
issues
so
like,
for
example,
unsensablepublishing.com
talks
about
goes
into
depth
on
this
ips
and
and
how
I've
used
the
the
bitcoin
cash
blockchain
as
a
replacement
for
it,
because
it's
much
fast
if
you
have
access
to
a
service
like
fullstack.cash,
it's
much
much
faster
to
query
the
blockchain,
a
piece
of
information
that
has
been
replaced
that
ipns
pointer
than
to
actually
use
ips
ips
can
take
minutes,
whereas
a
lookup
on
the
blockchain
takes
a
second.
A
So
that's
that's
ipns!
Really
that's
so
they
don't
really
have
anything
to
do
with
one
another
and
they
actually
complement
one
another.
Where
say
like
ipns
could
point
at
a
json
ld
payload
that
changes
over
time
and
that's
one
way
where
they
would
really
complement
one
another.
A
Yeah
well
stoian.
What
have
you
been
working
on
man?
A
C
I
recently
I
have
this
like
react
based
site
for
nfs
like
information
you
can
get
like
you
can
put
there
some
transaction
id
and
it
will
get
the
information
about
this
nfs
like
what
is
the
group,
how
many
the
quality?
If
it's
some
media
attached
somewhere
like
on
the
ipf
seminar,
it
will
also
get
this
thing
will
show
it.
C
So
I
needed
to
to
fix
it
several
times
because,
like
when
you
try
to
get
the
information
about
the
nfs
groups,
you
can
get
it
not
one
by
one
but
like
for
a
bunch
of
groups,
and
I
tried
with
more
than
100
groups
and
it
the
response
was
too
big.
So
I
need
to
implement
some
kind
of
pagination
pagination.
C
D
C
Still
still,
I
just
uploaded
one
file,
so
I
I
don't
think
I
have
experiment,
but
it's
almost
the
same
concept
like
ipfs,
it's
the
content
id
and
when
you
put
the
seer
colon
slash
slash,
it
will
show
me
that,
okay,
this
this
thing
is
on
the
seer.
If
you
put
the
ipfs
okay,
this
thing
is
somewhere,
so
I
want
to
to
put
this
in
the
this
bcp
standard.
C
So
when
you
put
this
kind
of
url,
uri
or
whatever
it
will
understand,
where
exactly
is
the
media
and
will
try
to
get
it
from
there
cool
so
because
yeah
now
it's
supporting
only
ipfs
but
yeah
there's
interesting
choices
coming
so
yeah
have.
A
You
looked
into
like
I'm
curious
about
sia
and
how
the
you
know,
like
I
know
like
in
ipfs,
it's
a
it's
a
mesh
network
right
so
being
able
to
get
the
data
that
you
want
largely
comes
down
to
a
networking
problem
which,
which
can
be
a
significant
problem,
and
I'm
wondering
do
you
know
how
cia
solved.
That
is
it.
I,
I
think
it's
decentralized,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
centralize
or
how
they
go
about
doing
it
is,
I
think,
it's
decentralized.
C
Because
everybody
can
ruin
a
note
right,
I'm
not
sure
how
they
I
read
more
about
this
new
nikki
storch
was
interesting.
E
C
C
C
So
you
you
you
they
will
give
you
some
like
api.
With
this
api
call,
you
can
upload
your
file,
but
you
don't
care
where
it's
going
behind
this.
There
will
be
ipfs
and
file
file
coin
contracts,
so
they
they
have
to
see
hope
that
in
this
case
it
will
be
better
than
just
pinning
it
because,
like
this
file
coin
guys,
they
have
interest
to
keep
the
file
most
of.
A
I've
been
exploring
that
same
that
interface
between
ipfs
and
filecoin,
mostly
using
textiles,
textileio.io,
their
tool
called
powergate,
and
so
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
moved
from
torrance
to
ipfs
for
storing
the
the
cache
strap
files,
because
now
that
they're
on
ipfs,
it's
really
easy
to
push
them
to
filecoin
and
especially
using
their
their
powergate
software.
I've
been
I've,
been
beta
testing,
the
powergate
software
that
textile
io
creates,
and
so
what's
nice
about.
This
is
like
here's.
A
good
example
is.
A
A
You
can
basically
sync
it
to
that
point
in
time
and
then
and
then
see
what
it
does
from
there
and
so
the
these
these
snapshots,
because
they're
time-based
they
have
value
from
because
of
that
moment
in
time,
and
so
it's
really
nice
to
be
able
to
push
them
up
to
file
coin,
which
is
like
an
archival
storage
type
of
thing
and
then
to
add
a
little
more
value
on
top
of
that
there.
A
So,
for
instance,
you
can
say
like
I
want
this
file
stored
with
three
different
miners
and
then
and
then
and
it'll
periodically
check
to
make
sure
that
those
miners
are
still
up
and
still
have
the
file,
and
if
one
of
them
like
disappears,
it
will
try
to
automatically
negotiate
like
another
miner
and
restore
it
and
if,
if
something's
damaged,
it'll
it'll
try
to
automatically
repair
it.
So
I
I
find
that
to
be
like
a
really
fascinating.
A
C
So
it's
an
open
source
project
completely
compatible
with
the
hotseat
with
the
google
grpc
cool
and
it's
yeah
open
source.
Also
they
have
another
like
project.
Everything
is
like
their
repository
is
very
good,
so
yeah
also
they
trying
to
to
be
like
amazon
s3
compatible
also,
so
they
they're
trying
to
replace
the
already
running
standards
stuff,
but
with
open
source,
decentralized,
hotseat
replacements.
So
yes,
interesting
project.
I
like.
A
C
A
D
Yeah
on
the
storage
side,
you
know
that
my
brother
owns
some
some
retail
places
and
stuff
like
that.
I
definitely
think
there's
an
opportunity
on
a
physical
side
to
open
up
centers,
where
you
don't
necessarily
stack
them
with
servers,
but
you
allow
the
infrastructure
for
people
to
host
their
own
servers.
D
Part
of
the
reason
I
got
this
idea
is
when
I'm
doing
these
videos,
I'm
like
man
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
a
server,
but
I'm
not
going
to
use
it
all
the
time
and
it'd
be
nice
to
sell
the
computing
power
to
the
server
when
I'm
not
using
it,
but
also
just
setting
up
the
server
like
is
a
is
a
huge
setup
cost.
You
know
in
my
house
or
something
like
that,
and
here,
where
I'm
at
they
limit.
D
You
know
30
megabyte
uploads,
which
is
ridiculous
for
cox,
but
you
can
have
a
business
connection,
but
it
costs
you
a
bunch
of
money.
So
I
think,
there's
a
use
case
for
something
like
this
as
a
lot
of
retail
space
is
now
open,
pairing
with
these
formats
of
storage
or
file
coin
or
ipfs,
to
actually
provide
that
storage
that
in
a
decentralized
way
that
competes
with
amazon
s3
services
and
also
provides
things
faster
and
so
and
another
use
case
is
like
imagine
your
business.
D
A
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
that
got
me
back
into
bitcoin,
because
I
was
trying
to
use
open
bazaar
as
like
the
financial
layer,
too,
I
mean
I
got
the
technology
pretty
far
where
anybody
with
whether
it's
a
raspberry
pi
or
a
desktop
or
whatever
you
just
run.
You
know
couple
commands
and
it
runs
all
the
software
and
then
and
then
you
can
begin
renting,
renting
out
your
resources.
E
A
And
but
where
I,
where
I
got
hung
up,
was
the
payments,
so
I
was
trying
to
use
open
bazaar
that
was
back
in
2017.
The
price
spike
happened
and
then
you
that
got
me
into
bitcoin
cash
because
then
we
had
to
you
know,
find
a
way
to
actually
do
business
with
bitcoin
again.
D
A
And
yeah
yeah,
so
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I
mean:
there's
there's
two
there's
two
things
that
are
driving
these
demographics.
That
make
me
really
excited.
One
is
the
continuous
roll
out
of
fiber
optics
around
the
world
like
in.
E
A
But
but
around
the
world
really
yeah,
so
more
and
more
residential
homes
are
getting
high,
speed,
fiber
connection
connectivity
and
and
then
and
then
from
there
once
you
actually
have
big
pipes.
It's
simply
a
matter
of
networking
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
appreciate
about.
D
Yeah,
I-
and
I
think
I
love
that
idea-
the
problem.
The
physical
problem
I
see
here
is
the
providers
limiting
the
upload
bandwidth
and
they
they
put
a
cap
on
it.
Here
I
mean
I
can
get
a
gigabyte
gigabyte
download.
You
know,
but
they're
capping
at
30
megabytes.
So
if
you're
trying
to
use
that
for
any
computational
or
any
file
sharing
stuff
and
you're
running-
and
you
want
to
run
a
lot
you're
going
to
really
hit
a
ceiling
there.
You
know.
A
E
C
Everybody
want
to
see
youtube,
but
when
they
limiting
you
connections
it's
becoming
like,
we
can
see
one
by
one
using
this
like
how
this
amount
of
this
to
to
some
site,
I
mean
it's,
not
the
complete
bandwidth.
They
also
limiting.
C
Like
based
on
ip
or
I
don't
know
you,
you
can
check
this,
I
post
one
link
in
the
chat,
akash
network.
Do
you
know
about
them.
C
Yeah,
it's
on
the
topic
that
you're
talking
now
about
how
c
they're
giving
you
some
device
seems,
and
you
can
participate
in
the
how
to
decentralized
cloud
or
you
can
rent
cloud
power
or
something
from
other
people.
A
C
Yeah,
it's
cozy,
pretty
active
project
cool,
so
yeah.
You
can
check
hot
c
because
they
yeah
you
can
get
this
cool
device.
But
you
can
also
just
rent
services
by
this
cloud.
Cool.
D
I
I
love
the
idea,
and
I
was
reading
that
website
last
night
and
yeah.
That's
definitely
needed
and
right
now
isps
are
probably
the
biggest
hurdle,
unfortunately,
and
in
america.
Unfortunately,
they
have
a
regulation
to
keep
regulatory
capture
to
keep
them
in
place
and
keep
competition
from
coming
out
of
them
on
the
market
so
yeah
there.
There
are
solutions,
though,.
A
Yeah,
this
is
why
I'm
such
a
fan
of
ipfs
is
because
the
you
know
like
the
the
example
I
love
to
love
to
hate
on
is,
is
the
chinese
firewall,
because
it's
such.
A
Example
of
censorship,
but
the
us
has
all
sorts
of
like
invisible
censorship
like
like,
limiting
your
bandwidth,
upload,
speed
or
the
number
you
know
of
connections
you
can
make
or
yeah
you
know.
There's
all
these
there's
all
these
little
things
that
normal
consumers
don't
think
about,
and
even
as
experts
like,
it's
not
obvious
to
us.
A
And
so
you
know,
I
mean
everybody
knows
about
vpns
today,
then
they
they
know
that
it.
A
It
solves
the
one
problem
which
is
geo-blocking,
which
I
think
is
why
most
people
use
a
vpn
or
privacy
yeah,
but
it
also
solves
a
lot
of
these
other
problems
that
that
you
know
you
might
not
even
realize,
are
happening,
and
then
I
love
you
know
the
the
whole
idea
of
the
circuit
relay
in
ipfs
of
using
another
computer
that
two
nodes
can
talk
to
in
order
to
route
around
a
firewall,
it's
very
similar
to
the
concept
of
a
vp,
a
vpn,
but
but
what
I
love
about
is
it
that
also
happens
automatically.
A
So
we
really
got
this
cat
and
mouse
arms
race
around
freedom
of
expression
on
the
internet,
and
it's
really
it's
amazing.
How
much
of
this
is
happening
without
the
knowledge
of
the
humans.
D
Yeah
yeah
it's
and
there's
this
race
to
essentially
copy
the
internet.
You
know
there
are
people
copying
over
sites
and
stuff
like
that
and
making
accessible,
and
I
I
think,
unfortunately,
that
may
be
the
direction
things
have
to
head
where
things
are
copied
over
to
an
ipf
format,
ipfs
format
and
that
becomes
the
internet
and
then
we're
able
to
create
other
ways
around
isps.
That
way,
you
know
yeah,
because
if
you
can
connect
essentially
create
creating
another
network,
you
know,
unfortunately,.
A
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
I
think,
that's
the
way
things
are
gonna
go.
You
know
the
web
as
we
know
it
is
gonna
change
and
it's
gonna.
It's
gonna
polarize,
we're
gonna.
Have
this
bubble
wrap
state
sponsored
web
and
you're
gonna
have
this
web
three
that
is
based
on
cryptography
and
and
and
uses
really
advanced
routing
techniques
to
avoid
censorship
yeah,
but
that's
that's
where
all
the
criminals
go
now.
Chris.
E
D
A
Yeah
I'm
a
big
fan
of
brave.
I
mean
they're,
really
like
the
last
mile
right
to
bring
this
whole
website
three.
We
need.
E
A
More
web
browsers
like
brave,
that
that
are
willing
to
integrate
this,
this
web
three
tech-
and
we
don't
know
yet
what
it's
gonna
look
like
like
the
googles
of
web
3,
are
just
starting
to
form,
and
and
so
we
don't
know
who
the
winners
are
going
to
be
yet.
But
but
whoever
does
win
is
going
to
make
a
good
user
experience
and
bring
you
know
whatever.
What
brave
is
doing
is
definitely
the
the
stepping
stone
to
that
future.
A
I
would
agree.
I.
A
It's
great
browser,
yeah
yeah,
I
just
I
just
installed
the
unsensible
domain
browser
extension
on
firefox.
So
now
I
can
check
out
dot,
crypto
and
eth
domain
names.
So
I'm
really
keen
to
get
one
now
now
that
I
can
actually
access
them.
D
D
D
Ago
there
you
go,
I
saw
somebody
was
trying
to
do
do
the
same
thing
with
bitcoin
cash.
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
that
faithless
meat.
A
E
A
Yeah,
it's
a
he.
He
came
up
with
an
awesome
design
using
nft
tokens
and
what's
cool
is
you
can
actually
have
like
subnets
so
like
if
some,
if
two
people
once
want
to
register
say
like
abc.com
or
whatever,
it
would
be
some
other
tld.
But
you
can
basically
point
your
browser
at
a
specific
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
about
the
storm.
A
But
if,
if
this
browser
extension
was
implemented,
you
could
just
point
it
at
a
different
nft
and
then
and
then
that
name
resolution
would
all
change
based
on
which
nft
your
browser
considers
the
source
of
truth.
C
Yeah,
it
was
just
like
nft
group
with
many
nft
children
inside,
so
you
just
point
your
wallet
to
some
nft
group
and
it
will
be
the
top
of
your
dns
like
your
top
domain.
So
you
can
what
you
have
inside
and
if
you
don't
like
it,
you
found
another
provider
for
the
same,
maybe
names
or
whatever.
So
it
was.
A
Interesting
idea,
I'd
love
to
see
someone
build
a
browser
extension
around
that
idea,
because
that's
what
it
would
take
you
you
need
you
need
to.
Basically
you
need
some
little
piece
of
middleware
software
to
tell
your
browser
how
to
figure
all
this
out.
C
Yeah
you
just
need
to
to
save
this
top
top
level.
A
D
A
All
right:
well,
that's
probably
a
good
place
to
wrap
this
up
unless
you
guys
have
anything
burning
or
anything
you
want
to
get
out
before
we
we
do.
A
Okay
right
on
well
aaron,
I
appreciate
you
making
it
story
and
likewise
story
and
I'll
ping.
You
once
I
end
this
and
we
can
talk
about
the
the
other
nft
stuff.
So
yeah
I'll
conclude
this
meeting
thanks,
you
guys
for
for
making
it
and
we'll
see
you
next
week
same
time
will
be
the
community
committee
meeting
and
then
we'll
have
this
technical
steering
committee
again
in
two
weeks.