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From YouTube: Committee on Legislative Oversight 6-10-2016
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The Legislative Oversight Committee of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Friday, June 10, 2016 to hear testimony on the following item:
No. 160281
Resolution authorizing the Legislative Oversight Committee to conduct public hearings to examine the Executive branches enforcement of Bill No. 100011-A "Lead Paint Disclosure"
Chair: Kenyatta Johnson (2nd District)
Vice Chair: Brian O'Neill (10th District)
A
A
A
Morning,
everyone
this
hearing
is
called
to
order.
This
is
a
public
hearing
of
the
legislative
oversight
committee.
My
name
is
counts.
Making
out
a
Johnson
chair
of
the
committee.
A
quorum
is
present
with
counsel
woman,
Helen
Kim
councilman,
Ryan,
O'neal,
councilman,
Derrick,
green
and
counsel
and
blondo
Reynolds
Brown.
Well,
the
third:
please
read
the
title
of
the
resolution
resolution.
A
Bringing
this
herring
forward
I
want
to
also
thank
councilman
Helen
Gilfoyle,
hard
work
and
dedication
on
addressing
this
issue
of
lead
and
making
sure
that
we
have
quality
water
and
making
sure
our
young
people
in
our
residence
in
our
city
in
our
safe,
as
relates
to
the
quality
of
water.
We
are
drinking
so
at
this
particular
time.
I
want
to
turn
over
actually
now
that
my
wife
is
asking
the
question
like:
is
it
safe
to
drink
the
water,
because
I
have
a
18
month
old
son
and
so
I'm
going
to
turn
this
hearing
over
to.
C
An
iron
here
for
years
we
dealt
with
lead-based
paint
and
it's
still
an
issue
in
head,
but
it's,
but
it
largely
has
has
had
a
lot
of
attention
and
people
would
say
what
I
did
it
say
well
when
you
get
rid
of
it,
use
water-based
paint,
latex
paint.
Well
now
we
have
an
issue
with
lead-based
water
Wow,
which.
A
H
You
good
morning,
good
morning,
good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
building
us
into
your
schedule
this
morning
to
my
German
Kenyatta,
Johnson
and
the
members
of
the
legislative
oversight
committee
and
to
the
administration
and
two
partners
in
this
effort.
Thank
you
again
for
stepping
away
from
your
lives
and
joining
us
at
this
important
hearing.
The
bottom
line
is
this:
there
is
no
safe
blood
lead
level.
There
is
no
safe
blood
lead
level.
Lead
exposure
occurs
with
no
obvious
symptoms
and
dissipation
disproportionately
affects
low-income
and
minority
children.
H
Children
who
are
exposed
to
lead
are
at
risk
of
damage
to
the
brain
and
the
nervous
system
slowed
growth
and
development,
which
of
course,
impacts
their
academic
achievement,
learning
and
behavioral
problems
and
hearing
and
speech
problems
to
this
in
in
2010,
my
office
worked
hand-in-glove
with
Shelley
and
off
of
PCC.
Why?
H
Why,
while
the
debate
at
times
was
heated
in
the
end,
we
were
able
to
reach
a
win-win
scenario
and
passed
bill
number
1,
0,
0,
0,
1,
1
dash
a
Philadelphia's
current
lead
paint
disclosure
law.
This
hearing
today
will
focus
on
the
enforcement
side
of
the
lead
paint
disclosure
bill.
The
reasons
for
our
current
lack
of
enforcement,
which
has
been
raised
and
what
the
city
should
do
in
the
future
to
make
sure
this
law
is
being
adhered
to.
H
I
also
want
to
thank
Community,
Legal
Services,
who
were
generous
partners
in
that
debate
during
the
2010-2011
discussions.
Again,
thank
you
to
chairman
Johnson
and
a
salute
to
a
Councilwoman
Gill,
who
has
again
put
the
issue
of
lead
on
the
radar
screen,
specifically
as
it
exists
in
our
water
supply.
This
week
we
had
a
press
conference,
a
number
of
members
of
council
again
tackling
the
issue
of
lead,
as
it
is
this
in
our
water
supply,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
towards
that
end.
H
I
I
If
there
is
anyone
who
has
been
the
face
of
leadership
on
the
issue
of
blood
poisoning
and
how
we
can
ensure
the
safety
of
our
families,
it
would
be
yourself
Councilwoman
bound
because
you've
led
on
this
issue
when,
before
it
was
before
Flint
for
Ford
Newark,
before
a
lot
of
consciousness
around
what
happens
when
we
neglect
infrastructure
on
such
a
level
really
came
to
the
forefront
that
it
did.
I
do
want
to
point
out
for
my
colleagues
in
for
the
audience
out
there
that
engine
january
and
national
publication
published
a
headline
are
asking
the
question.
I
I
We
held
a
number
of
hearings
on
it
and
last
week,
or
yesterday
introduced
a
package
of
bills
that
really
tackled
the
issue
of
testing
expanded
testing
and
ensuring
that
children,
especially
in
our
daycare
and
our
child
care
centers
in
our
schools
and
in
their
homes,
whether
rented
orbs
are
owned,
will
be
assured
that
we
do
expansive
testing
and
understanding
of
lead
levels
of
water
and
impart.
Due
to
that
that
same
publication
came
out
yesterday
with
a
headline
that
said.
I
So
we
do
this,
though,
of
these
set
of
proposals
could
put
Philadelphia
at
the
forefront
in
the
nation
in
terms
of
water
testing
efforts.
And
what
we're
trying
to
say
is.
We
are
not
going
to
solve
a
50-year
old
problem
like
lead
poisoning
overnight,
but
we
are
reinvigorating
attention
to
this
issue.
I
We
are
dedicating
ourselves
to
try
to
do
better
about
expansive
testing,
about
understanding
what
the
impact
is
and
that
we
will
take
action
in
the
best
ways
that
we
can
so
I
think
everybody
and
the
council
and
my
city
council
colleagues,
because
it's
an
honor
to
be
in
the
space
where
we
can
make
that
happen.
Thank
you.
I.
A
J
J
A
E
Welcome
morning
I
am
dr.
Caroline
Johnson
on
the
Acting
Deputy
Commissioner
for
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
Public
Health,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
testimony
today
on
resolution
number
160
281
authorizing
the
legislative
oversight
committee
to
conduct
public
hearings
to
examine
the
executive,
branch's
enforcement
of
bill
number
100,
11
a
lead
paint
disclosure
law.
E
Protecting
children
from
exposure
to
lead
is
important
to
lifelong
good.
Health
has
been,
as
was
just
mentioned
by
the
Councilwoman.
The
facts
of
light
exposure
cannot
be
corrected.
The
Centers
for
Disease
Control
and
Prevention
have
determined
that,
while
there
is
no
safe
level
of
lead
that
children
under
age
6
who
have
blood
lead
levels
of
five
to
nine
micrograms
per
deciliter
should
be
targeted
for
primary
prevention
and
children
with
blood
lead
levels
of
above
10
should
receive
education,
inspection
and
home
remediation
service
services,
which
is
done
by
the
Health
Department
sled
and
Healthy
Homes
Program.
E
Fortunately,
the
percentage
of
children
with
elevated
blood
lead
levels
in
Philadelphia
has
been
declining
and
continues
to
decline
among
children
being
tested
for
lead
between
the
ages
of
zero
and
five
years.
The
proportion
with
the
level
of
10
or
above
has
declined
from
twelve
percent
in
2004
to
1.2
percent
in
2015.
E
However,
many
children
in
Philadelphia
continue
to
be
exposed
to
lead
when
the
health
department
investigates
the
environment
of
a
child
with
a
high
blood
level
lead
level.
The
source
is
nearly
nearly
always
in
the
home
residents
in
the
form
of
chipping
and
peeling
paint.
Although
let
contain
pain
has
been
banned
since
1978
in
Philadelphia,
we
still
have
many
homes
that
have
surface
is
covered
with
leaded
paint
with
approximately
one
quarter
of
Philadelphia's
young
children
thought
to
be
living
in
rental
properties.
E
However,
enforcement
of
this
law
is
difficult,
given
the
fact
that
the
landlords
are
that
many
bland
words
are
not
licensed
and
among
those
licensed,
it
is
not
known
in
which
units
children
reside
of
the
approximate
80,000
licensed
rental
properties
in
Philadelphia,
the
health
department
has
received
1,600,
lead,
free
or
lead
safe
certificates
to
date.
We
suspect
that
this
number
vastly
underestimates
the
number
of
rental
properties
in
which
young
children
live,
and
that
there's
a
lot
more
work.
We
could
do.
Recent
attention
to
the
issue
of
childhood.
E
Lead
poisoning
has
prompted
the
health
department's
new
leadership
to
take
a
hard
look
at
what
we
can
do
better
to
protect
Philadelphia's
children.
Not
only
do
we
want
to
better
serve
children
who
we
find
to
have
elevated
lead
levels,
but
we
also
want
to
initiate
actions
that
will
prevent
exposure
from
the
first.
In
the
first
place,
better
enforcement
of
the
lead
paint
disclosure
law
will
help
serve
that
purpose.
Programs
have
already
been
inset.
E
Programs
have
already
been
set
in
motion
that
will
coordinate
with
the
Department
of
L&I
to
modify
the
rental
application
license
to
better
capture
information
about
lead
risk
in
the
property.
If
lead
certificates
over
required,
but
not
provided,
Ellen
I
will
not
renew
the
rental
license.
We've
also
developed
programs
to
inform
landlords
of
the
responsibility
to
comply
with
the
lead
paint
disclosure
law
by
providing
information
through
the
mail
and
an
association
with
a
licensing
process.
E
We
are
just
about
to
launch
a
public
information
and
advertising
campaign
to
advise
renters,
who
are
parents
of
young
children,
of
their
right
to
a
lead,
safe
environment
families
are
instructed
as
to
whom
they
can
call
for
assistance
if
they
have
not
been
provided
with
a
lead
safe
certificate
by
their
landlord.
This
program
is
should
be
launching
next
week
in
public
venues.
E
Preventing
blood
poisoning
among
children
in
Philadelphia
is
a
great
priority
to
the
health
department
and
we
are
eager
to
improve
enforcement
of
the
lead,
paint
disclosure
law
and
really
do
welcome
any
suggestions
or
comments.
You
have
that
are
going
to
help
us.
Do
that
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
time.
E
H
E
G
H
E
The
health
department,
so
we
met
with
L&I
and
one
of
the
plans
is
on
the
application.
The
license
application.
It
is
going
to
be
edited
that
it
will
will
specifically
state
that
the
home
was
built
before
or
after
1978,
because
the
risk
is
in
homes
that
were
built
before
78,
as
it
will
specifically
asked
whether
there
is
an
intent
to
have
children
who
are
less
than
six
years
of
age
reside
in
the
house,
and
then
it
will
ask
specifically
whether
the
LEED
certification,
the
lead,
inspection
and
certification
being
lead-free,
has
been
obtained
and
I.
Believe.
E
H
I
Good
morning,
so
one
of
my
questions
is
to
have
a
little
bit
of
better
understanding
about
the
health
departments.
Are
all
around
the
approach
to
enforcement
currently,
and
could
you
clarify
to
me
again,
your
role
is
to
be
presented
with
a
valid
certification.
Is
that
right,
one
and
also
there
to
fold
I
believe
that
if
it's
helped
identified
as
being
led
poisoned,
then
you,
as
a
health
department,
will
enter
into
that
child's
primary
residence
correct
and
and
check
the
lead
paint
correct.
E
So
it
really
is
sort
of
two
ways:
there's
the
children
who
have
an
elevated
level
in
the
actions
we
take
and
then
there
the
children
who
are
not
elevated
or
have
not
yet
been
tested
yet
and
so
to
talk
about
the
children
with
an
elevated
lead
level.
They
are
programmatically
what
we've
been
targeting
for
the
last
20
years.
We
get
reports
on
all
of
the
lead
levels
that
are
obtained
on
children
in
Philadelphia.
E
So
when
we
do
these
inspections,
we
virtually
always
find
lead
in
the
home,
and
at
that
point,
if
it's
a
rental
property,
we
contact,
we
work
with
the
person
who's
renting
the
property,
as
well
as
the
landlord
to
say
this
lead
has
to
be
removed
from
this
house,
and
sometimes
they
do
it
willingly,
and
sometimes
they
don't.
If
they
do
not
willingly
deal
with
the
lead
in
the
house,
then
we
take
them
to
court
and
there's
something
we
known
as
the
lead
court.
D
I
E
We
checked
I
looked
for
at
the
2015
data,
we
had
92
children
who
were
in
rental
properties
who
were
lead
poisoned
and
only
two
of
the
92
had
submitted
a
lead
certificate.
So
we
have
evidence
that
99%
or
whatever,
that
guy
90
of
92,
whatever
that
comes
to
is
the
percent
that
are
not
complying
with
the
law
right,
not.
I
E
Before
it
was
enforced,
so
so
we
have
not
penalized
anyone
for
not
providing
a
certificate
unless
the
child
has
been
led
poison,
in
which
case
they
go
to
court.
So
we
do
not
necessarily
know
in
which
house
a
child
under
six
is
living.
So
that's
why
that
we
are
focused
and
focusing
on
children
with
the
elevated
lead
levels
because
they're,
the
ones
that
are
reported
to
us
with
their
home
address,
and
we
can
look
up
whether
they
have
a
wet
certificate.
E
I
E
I
A
very
deep
say
that
those
ninety
two
children
I
mean
are
those
are
those
the
ones
that
you're
counting
in
terms
of
how
many
violations
have
been
issued
over
the
last
yesteryears?
Yes,
okay,
yes,
and
so
violations
are
based
on
after
a
child
has
been
poisoned
us
at
this
point.
That
is
court,
not
proactively
put
that
effect,
so
there
would
be
more.
Oh,
yes
and
I.
Have
you
collected
any
fines
or
what
kinds
of
fines
have
you
been
able
to
collect.
E
I
D
I
D
I
I
have
a
few
more
questions
that
I
would
like
to
come
back
after
my
colleagues
go
I,
don't
want
to
take
up
all
the
time,
but
I
think
one
of
my
central
issues
that
when
I
come
back
to
ask
you
about,
is
you
know,
I
think
our
goal
and
the
actual
challenge
is
going
to
be
how
we
can
somehow
get
to
children
before
they're
actually
poisoned
here,
and
that's
that's
a
major
issue,
especially
given
the
neglect
on
behalf
of
so
many
landlords
in
which
they
are
an
excellent.
So
I
will
come
back.
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
want
to
thank
council
women,
brown
and
game
for
using
this
opportunity
to
islip
oversight,
to
continue
to
investigate
the
process
and
reference
to
the
lead
paint
issue
as
impacted
people
in
city
of
Philadelphia.
As
many
people
know,
a
councilman
Tasker
was
a
co-chair.
I'm.
Excuse
me
co-sponsor
of
that
initial
legislation
and
was
also
a
longtime
chair
of
Public
Health
and
Human
Services
and
spent
a
significant
amount
of
time
while
addressing
the
issue
of
lead,
paint
and
impact
of
children
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
G
Looking
Doc
Johnson.
Looking
your
testimony,
we
talked
about
approximately
80,000,
license
rental
properties
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia
and
the
health
department's
received
about
1,600,
lead,
free
or,
let's
say,
let's
save,
certifications
to
date.
However,
in
your
testimony,
you
stated
how
this
vastly
underestimates
a
number
of
rental
properties
in
which
young
children
live
and
toward
the
end
of
your
testimony,
talking
about
a
marketing
campaign
in
reference
to
trying
to
inform
parents,
caregivers
and
providers
regarding
the
impact
of
lead,
paint
and
I.
G
Think,
from
my
perspective,
my
concern
is
that
historically
issues
like
lead
paint,
we
have
short
bursts
of
information
communication,
but
we
don't
have
a
sustained
type
of
marketing
program
or
information
program
to
let
parents
know
about
the
impacts
of
lead
paint,
especially
considering
metacity
Philadelphia
has
a
very
old
housing
stock.
So
what
steps
have
you
taken?
E
We
actually
used
to
do
the
kind
of
a
welcome
baby,
a
package
before
that
included
led
information,
and
you
know
to
be
honest.
The
interest
in
lead
sort
of
faded
away
over
the
last
decade,
as
did
the
funding,
and
so
some
of
these
programs
were
lost
and
only
the
recent
events
of
Flint
and
water
brought
lead
back
to
the
forefront,
so
I
think
that's
a
program.
E
That's
probably
well
worth
it
it's
the
cost
of
a
stamp
and,
in
addition
to
direct
mailing
to
parents
of
new
newly
born
children,
I
think
working
with
the
providers
and
that
can
consist
of
all
the
agencies.
You
named
nonprofit
organizations
that
serve
young
families
in
this
city,
as
well
as
all
of
the
health
care
providers.
E
We
know
that
most
infants
in
the
first
year
of
life
make
it
to
a
pediatrician
or
a
family
doctor
or
some
other
other
clinician,
and
they
probably
have
the
most
direct
and
hands-on
and
trusted
interaction
with
the
child
in
that
first
year
of
life,
so
I
think
working
with
the
providers
in
the
city
to
remind
them.
You
know
let
is
still
here
and
that
that
you
really
need
to
talk
to
your
families,
about
let
about
the
homes
they're
living
in
and
what
needs
to
be
done
to
correct
any
problems
in
that
home.
Yeah.
G
Just
to
follow
up
on
it,
I
mean
I
that
you
somewhat
read
my
mind
because
I'm
currently
working
with
the
foot
off
the
autism
project
in
reference
to
early
intervention,
and
we
as
part
of
our
outreach,
we're
looking
at
here
to
peer
type
of
initiative
with
positions,
especially
primary
care.
Physicians
for
those
first
wellness
visits
to.
Let
parents
know
about
the
issues
of
autism
and
the
early
warning
signs
and
I
think
because
of
the
issues
with
Flint
Michigan
and
the
hearings
that
have
been
helping
council
and
the
heightened
awareness.
G
Have
coming
to
your
home,
they
also
could
be
an
issue
that
can
contribute
to
the
lead
issue
as
well,
as
you
said,
reaching
out
primary
care,
physicians
and
work
with
some
of
the
great
medical
institutions.
We
had
here
in
City
Philadelphia
other
way
to
get
information
out
through
those
providers
as
well.
I
agree.
E
So
the
department
has
capacity
to
actually
do
the
lead
testing.
They
use.
This
xrf
gone
I
believe
that
it's
called
and
we
go
in
and
they
zap
it
or
something
and
determine
whether
there's
LED
there
and
they
do
white
test.
So
I
think
that
it's
certainly
within
our
capacity
to
do
it
and
I,
don't
see
any
reason
that
we
couldn't
accommodate
specific
requests.
If
people
needed
us
to
go
into
the
home
and
test
for
lead.
So.
I
One
of
the
other
questions
I
had
is
if
a
child
is
tested
for
being
led
poison
or
having
elevated
blood
levels,
which
I
just
called
blood
poisoning
in
a
rental
property.
Would
you
consider
appropriate
to
send
a
note
to
all
tenants
of
that
property
that
this
property
has
been
identified
in
at
least
one
location
to
have
had,
you
know
been
in
violation
of
a
red
paint
disclosure
law?
I
We
recommend
that
you
test,
and
you
know,
how
is
that?
Has
that
been
explored
at
all?
I
mean
this,
especially
if
the
landlord
in
particular
is
one
of
those
99
percent
that
isn't
clear
violation
of
red
certification
and
has
not
remediated
of
that
property
has
not
provided
disclosure.
Is
it
possible
that
at
least
for
those
families
and
for
those
households
that
that
is
something
that
we
can
proactively
do
so.
E
I
can
say
right
now:
if
there
are
other
residents
within
the
same
unit,
then
the
lead
program
will
make
sure
that
they're
tested
and
the
prevention
and
education
is
given
to
the
whole
family.
So
anyone
within
the
household
is
dealt
with.
Your
question,
I
think,
is
more
about
if
they're
to
apartment
and.
I
H
E
I
Of
the
the
question
that
I
was
trying
to
see
doubt
was
this
question
that
there
is
one
certification
for
the
whole
building
bus
to
me.
The
landlord
is
responsible
for
all
units
within
that
property
if
they
are
in
violation
of
one
having
poisoned
a
child,
at
least
one
that
we
know
of,
and
to
not
having
a
valid
certification
or
disclosure.
Would
it
be
a
possibility
or
appropriate
venue
to
then
inform
all
the
tenants
of
that
building
that
a
child
has
been
poisoned
on
poverty,
elevated
by
levels?
However,
we
want
to
put
it
there.
E
I
E
A
B
C
C
Led
safety
for
children
was
improved
and
should
have
been
improved
and
improved.
More
jaco
was
privileged
to
be
a
big
part
of
the
enactment
of
this
bill,
and
now
it
is
our
obligation
from
our
perspective,
to
be
a
part
of
this
enforcement
process,
and
we
are
here
today
for
that
purpose.
The
establishment
of
legal
requirements
have
been
duly
enacted.
Compliance
with
the
standards
is
important
as
mandatory.
There
is
no
question
about
that
for
the
health
of
children.
C
The
resolution
of
counsel
calling
for
this
hearing
recites
what
appears
to
be
a
relatively
low
number
of
lead
certifications
compared
to
the
total
number
of
rental
units
in
the
city,
and
this
is
certainly
cause
for
your
examination.
Under
the
best
of
circumstances,
it
would
appear
to
be
an
unavoidable
conclusion
that
adherence
to
the
lead
certification
law
has
been
insufficient.
C
There
are
several
relevant
factors
which
we
would
suggest.
First
of
all,
if
you'll
forgive
some
mathematics
of
the
reputed
248,000
housing
units,
only
a
certain
percentage
of
them
applied
to
children,
six
and
under
so
when
you
say
248,000
housing
units,
those
are
not
housing
units
with
children,
six
and
under
all
the
housing
units
in
senior
housing
in
student,
housing
and
other
stages
of
city
life
through
many
many
apartments,
the
majority
that
do
not
have
children
aged
6
and
under
that
would
be
a
helpful
statistic
to
know
and
I.
C
There
are
other
reductions
in
this
number
of
248,000
those
units
which
are
constructed
since
1978
and
not
subject
to
the
law,
and
that
would
be
helpful
to
know
as
well
PHA
apartments
which
are
not
subject
to
the
law.
That
would
be
helpful
to
know
the
number
that
we
have
a
better
handle
on
and,
lastly,
there's
many
titles
that
remain
in
their
properties.
For
years
and
years,
people
don't
live
in
the
property
for
eight
months
or
a
year
and
leave
many
people
stay
in
their
housing
for
many
years
now.
If
you'll.
C
Forgive
me
I
want
to
go
through
some
numbers
just
to
try
to
put
it
on
on
the
record.
In
2013,
there
were
a
hundred
and
thirty
one
thousand
students
in
the
school
district.
The
charter
schools
were
another
sixty
thousand,
so
the
total
number
of
schemes
that
I'm
no
expert,
honest
I'm,
taking
it
off
the
school
district's
website,
192,000
series
would
appear
to
be
in
a
city
of
Philadelphia
and
if
three
ranges
from
age
5
to
18
again
I'm
using
numbers,
I'm
not
a
statistician,
but
that's
the
number
it's
13
years.
C
So
if
you
take
the
13
different
ages
of
these
students
in
philadelphia
schools,
you
divide
192,000
students
by
13
classes
of
students,
h
5,
to
18,
and
we
still
mathematically
that
fourteen
thousand
seven
some
students
of
each
page
fourteen
thousand
five
year
olds,
fourteen
thousand
six
year
olds.
So
now
we
need
them
to
know
how
many
children
in
the
city
are
age,
six
and
under.
C
So
if
you
take
that
number
on
for
2779-
and
you
multiply
by
six
so
we'll
see
that
there
are
potentially
80,000
students,
not
food
to
80,000
children
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
who
are
age.
Six
and
under
forty
percent
of
the
movie
rental
units,
sixty
percent,
perhaps
live
in
the
owner,
occupy
properties.
So
this
would
indicate
that
the
forty
percent
of
the
80,000
children
who
were
subject
to
the
wall
is
35,000
children,
there's
thirty,
five
thousand
children
impacted
by
the
law
and
again
on
making
assumptions
here.
C
You'll,
forgive
me,
but
I
think
there's
a
basis
for
it.
If
we
say
that
there
are
two
children
per
family
to
children's
six
and
under
in
any
family,
so
the
35,000
children,
six
and
under
there
be
17,000
rental
units
that
they
live
in.
I.
Think
that
that
is
a
starting
point
for
discussion
now
of
those
17,000
housing
units
which
continued
insurance
and
six
and
under
a
certain
percentage,
that
of
them
a
PHA
PHA
has
their
own
rules
their
own
regulations.
They
inspect,
they
do
their
number.
C
The
law
specifically
exempts
that
so
we're
not
looking
for
the
PHA
units
and
another
percentage
of
it,
which
I
do
not
know,
but
it's
increasing
because
Philadelphia
is
improving
with
so
much
nice
new
housing.
So
there's
a
certain
number
of
the
units
which
are
post,
78,
housing
and
also
not
subject
to
the
law.
C
So
if
you
add
all
that
in
and
I
made
up
a
number,
I
said
I'm
guessing
that
half
of
the
units
are
either
PHA
were
new,
leaving
half
of
the
17,000
rental
units
which
helps
children
aged
6
and
under
in
private
rental
properties.
Now
that
has
numbers
8800
units,
it's
a
speculation
on
my
part
to
our
experts,
who
know
better
than
we
do.
They
can
correct
half
of
these
numbers,
but
using
that
as
a
starting
point,
looking
at
eight
thousand
eight
hundred
units,
which
are
impacted
by
the
law,
the
number
of
1596
tests
completely
unacceptable.
C
It's
not
it
should
be
8800.
It
is
not,
but
8800
is
not
248,000,
so
it
just
doesn't
appear
to
be
as
wildly
out
of
whack
as
it
might
appear
at
first
blush.
Looking
at
the
shocking
number
of
248,000
1500
comply,
the
number
seems
to
maybe
eight
thousand
and
fifteen
hundred
complied
unacceptable.
I'm
not
in
any
way
saying
it's.
Okay,
it
just
is
not
as
bad
as
it
sounded.
Originally
now
have
go
upon
receipt
of
this
resolution
that
was
introduced.
C
We
have
already
commenced
a
recharged
notification
program
through
our
property
owners
in
our
newsletter
on
our
website,
our
educational
programs,
our
communications
with
property
owners,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
sitting
here,
listening
to
dr.
Johnson
testimony
in
reading
mr.
Lewis
testimony
mr.
wills
testimony
on
contemplating
not
contemplating
now
I'm
going
to
do
it.
C
I
SAT
here
and
I,
read
the
reread
the
penalty
provisions
of
this
law,
which
I'll
have
a
hand
in
writing,
and
let
me
tell
you
they
are
powerful
on
shocking
I'm
going
to
let
our
property
owners
know
that
there
are
such
severe
penalties
already
within
the
law
for
owners
who
don't
comply.
That
read
where
the
landlord's
we
better
watch
out,
because
the
law
is
powerfully
prepared
to
find
punish
those
up.
There's
eight
four:
six,
six,
seven
or
eight
different
punishments
that
the
city
now
has
by
virtue
of
councilman
blondell
Reynolds
Brown.
C
That
was
an
active
back
then.
So
when
I
said
in
my
testimony
as
I
wrote
it
we
are
educating
our
people,
I'm
going
to
educate
them
all
right
that
they
are
in
danger
and
they
better
comply,
or
else
because
out
of
this
hearing
is
not
going
to
come
anything
but
demands
for
full
compliance
with
some
teeth
in
it.
Now
not
even
property
owner
in
philadelphia
is
a
hot
go
member.
We
wish
that
they
were
the
problem.
From
my
perspective
and
dr.
johnson
mentioned
in
her
testimony
is
landlord
licenses.
C
242,000
housing
units
and
dr.
johnson's
testimony
says
80,000
licensed
properties.
I
think
that's
an
accurate
number.
We
have
a
hundred
and
sixty-eight
thousand
housing
units
that
are
not
properly
licensed,
I,
think
half
the
then
maybe
a
PHA
there's
50,000
PHA,
whatever
the
number
is.
There
are
tens
of
thousands,
a
hundred
thousand
or
more
rental
units
in
this
city
which
are
not
licensed
that
hurts
us,
because
our
great
people
who
get
a
license
and
try
to
comply
are
competing
with
fly-by-night
property
owners
who
are
not
getting
licensed
and
by
not
getting
licensed.
C
They
are
dodging
you
now
we
have
suggested
over
the
years
and
I'm
going
to
take
the
liberty
of
doing
so
again
some
strategies
to
correct
that.
It's
very
simple,
a
lot
simple
for
me
to
say
it
they'll.
Allow
has
to
do
it,
but
I,
don't
think
it's
that
complicated
number
one
compare
the
name
of
the
customer
on
a
water
bill
with
the
name
of
the
the
property
as
listed
in
the
recorder
of
deeds
office,
it's
not
a
match.
C
If
the
recruiter
deep
says
this
person
owns
it
and
the
water
department
says
this
person
is
getting
the
bill.
The
person
getting
the
bill
is
attendance,
more
likely
than
not
so
match
that
up.
If
there's
no
license
that
there,
no
housing
inspection
license,
nabbed
them
penalize
them
and
imposed
license
license.
You're
on
that
owner
in
the
same
theta,
compare
the
name
of
the
customer
receiving
a
PGW
bill
with
the
name
of
the
owner
of
the
property
in
a
recorder
of
deeds
office.
C
C
So
if
the
name
on
the
water
bill
or
the
gays
bill
is
not
the
same
as
the
owner
of
record
and
recorder
of
deeds
in
all
likelihood
is
a
rental
property
and
that
we
have
suggested
a
very
simple
educational
process,
and
that
would
be
the
following
statement,
which
should
be
printed
on
every
tax
bill.
It
should
be
printed
on
every
water
bill.
It
should
be
printed
on
every
gas
bill
and
I've
written
out
a
suggestive
language
which
I
took
from
testimony
at
disabled
years
ago.
C
The
city
of
Philadelphia
requires
that
all
rental
properties
be
licensed
with
a
housing
inspection
license.
If
this
property
is
tenant
occupied
and
does
not
have
a
housing
inspection
license,
the
owner
is
a
violation
of
the
law
to
see
if
the
properties
licensed
to
not
go
to
Florida
Gulf,
it's
right
there
on
the
main
page
license
and
rechecking.
We
have
previously
proposes
councilman
Heenan
without
a
upon
our
request,
actually
introduced
a
bill
to
get
to
sentence
on
City
literature
going
out
to
the
two
hours
and
it
never
saw
the
light
of
day.
It
never
happened.
C
We
were
told
something
about
like
there's,
not
enough,
think
to
put
it
on
the
paper
or
there's
not
enough
room
on
the
tax
bill
to
put
in
these
two
sentences.
I,
don't
know
why,
but
that's
what
happened
so
correction
of
this
licensure
issue
is
really
a
significant
matter.
I
want
to
comment
on
to
other
thoughts
number
one.
We
again
reiterate
our
sense
and
our
concern
that
the
focus
of
all
this
being
on
land
words
is
only
looking
at
half
the
problem.
C
If
your
targets
and
Adam
targets
is
the
wrong,
word
sounds
pejorative,
but
it's
the
subjects
of
this
law.
Our
parents
who
have
children
spend
under
and
you
were,
to
implement
a
requirement
for
every
property
with
children.
Six
and
under
is
lead
safe.
It
would
seem
to
us
that's
going
to
solve
a
lot
of
other
problems
if
he
has
the
children
in
the
city
living
rental
properties.
Why
is
why
those
children
ignored
and
you're
hiding
away
in
words
to
comply,
but
not
going
to
mom
and
dad
in
the
house?
C
It's
in
your
house,
you
own
it,
but
you
still
need
to
comply
and
you
should,
and
that
will
also
help,
because
when
those
people
sell
their
house-
and
perhaps
an
investor
buys
it
there's
already
been
some
activity
to
make
it
late
safe.
If
you
have
my
testimony,
I
want
to
highlight
the
last
page
of
councilman
game.
You
had
suggested
that
the
problem
cannot
be
solved
overnight
and
we
suggest
to
you
that
it
can
and
the
regular
can
be
solved
over.
C
Ladies,
because
this
problem
of
leg
pain
is
a
problem
which
can
be
solved
by
money
through
so
many
social
ills
that
we
deal
with
that
you
as
a
council
deal
with
that,
you
can
throw
billions
of
dollars
added,
not
going
to
solve
the
problem,
but
the
lead
paint
problem
can
be
solved
with
money.
If
we
had
money
to
correct
all
the
lead
infestation,
have
it
removed,
the
problem
will
be
solved.
So
what
did
he
get?
C
That's
my
calculation.
If
the
newspaper
is
reporting
is
correct,
that
you're
charged
an
opinion,
half
per
else,
128
gal
128
ounces
in
a
gallon,
you
are
charging
a
dollar
and
I'd
you
to
a
gallon
for
sugar
drinks.
I
never
thought
about
what
I
know
that
my
babies
is
that
the
sugars
rush
through
the
leg,
I
shouldn't,
say
that
I
didn't
drink
a
soda
to
save
my
life,
but
a
dollar
I
you
to
run
again
on
a
soda,
fifty
cents,
a
gallon
of
paint.
The
paint
manufacturers
cause
this
problem.
C
Why
we
say
it
here
my
father's:
should
I
just
lost
him.
He
should
rest
in
peace.
My
father
kept
every
single
receipt
from
a
million
songs,
paint
in
your
district
councilman
canal,
where
my
father
spent
his
entire
career
and
he
saved
every
single
one.
He
bought
so
much
pain
from
that
pain
and
they
didn't
save
him
by
the
way.
Mr.
zaslow,
the
gala
papers
on
you
is
going
to
poison
children.
He
bought
the
paint
he
bought
the
paid.
So
the
paint
manufacturers
are
the
problem
and
who's
been
litigation.
C
As
you
will
know
up
and
down
all
over
the
United
States.
Can
we
haul
paint
manufacturers,
libel
or
not?
Pennsylvania
hasn't
gone
that
way,
but
the
paint
manufacturers
being
the
problem
of
lead
paint
paint
is
the
place
to
look
to
solve
it
and
fifty
cents.
A
gal
use
a
lot
of
pain.
We
paid
these
departments
month
in
and
month
out,
with
big
users
of
paint,
so
for
us
to
volunteer
to
pay
fifty
cents.
A
gallon
of
paint
put
it
in
a
thong.
Give
it
to
dr.
C
Johnson,
give
it
to
the
tenants
groups,
give
a
little
bit
to
Austin
a
lot
of
people
corrected
and
you
can
solve
the
problem
because,
eventually,
if
you
did
that
this
is
a
tax
which
would
really
go
away
because
he's
actually,
you
would
solve
the
lead
problem
and
you
wouldn't
have
to
have
the
tax
anymore,
replace
the
other
windows,
replace
all
the
doors,
replace
the
friction
surfaces.
We
place
the
leg
pipes
which
goes
from
the
curb
stop
into
it
into
the
person's
own
property,
where
they're
living
this
could
be
gone.
C
F
Steer
I'm
president
of
hopko
and
I've
been
present
for
a
last
couple
years.
We
are
here
to
support
your
efforts
and
enforcement
of
this
of
lead
paint
and
we
are
members,
have
been
notified
throughout
our
newsletter
to
comply
with
the
regulations.
We
did
a
poet
on
this
executive
meeting
and
everybody
at
the
desks
out
there.
Some
of
us,
like
me,
have
a
apartments
in
center
city
and
I,
really
don't
have
any
children
under
six
and
my
buildings.
F
However,
I
give
every
person
that
comes
in
at
a
forum
and
I
explain
the
different
facets
of
what
we
have
to
do.
They
get
a
license
and
the
other
thing
in
hot
car
is
really
pushing
for
is
to
have
licensed
landlords
in
the
city.
I
never
can
be
done.
We
did
this
in
the
parking,
business
and
ill
and
I
set
out,
and
we
even
gave
numbers
you'd
be
surprised,
the
amount
of
unlicensed
people
and
even
in
the
parking
business
and
now
in
the
housing
industry
in
rental
industry.
F
F
C
It
may
I
ask
you
a
question
because
I
don't
know
the
answer:
I
always
thought
that
has
had
to
come
from
Harrisburg,
but
now
I
see
the
city
council
feels
you
have
the
right
with
the
sugar
tax,
sorry
to
bring
that
up
with
a
sugar
tax
here
Justin's
Philadelphia,
to
impose
that
tax.
So
if
you
can
impose
a
tax
on
soda,
is
there
any
restriction
to
impose
for
the
city
to
impose
a
tax
on
paint?
Does
it
have
to
be
harsh,
but
in
the
city
I,
don't
know
the
answer.
I
should
know
that.
G
Haven't
had
a
chance
to
investigate
this
issue
fully,
but
as
counselors
as
well.
You
also
know
that
I'm
not
aware
of
whether
the
statement
occupied
the
field
in
this
regard
with
on
taxation,
there's
already
an
existing
taxes
at
the
state
level
for
paint.
If
so,
that
would
probably
be
more
an
item
for
preemption
we
probably
would
not
be
able
to,
but
in
comparison
to
the
subtext.
G
Although
there'll
be
a
vigorous
Legal
discussion,
anticipating
and
coming
months
through
our
court
system,
whether
the
so
text,
it
can
be
done
at
the
local
level,
not
I
believe
it
can
be.
However,
I'm
not
like
I
said
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
state
taxes
regarding
paint,
but
there's
not,
and
it
is
not
occupied
a
field
that
would
be
an
opportunity
at
a
local
level
and.
C
Naturally,
the
whole
state
of
Pennsylvania
has
the
identical
problem.
You
are
a
man
half
as
a
member
of
a
statewide
organization
of
property
owners.
It's
all
the
same.
Eerie
straighten,
Pittsburgh
ready,
it's
not
the
same.
They
all
have
the
same
problem.
This
safe
would
benefit.
Everybody
would
benefit
you
want
to
solve
it.
That's
why
we're
here.
G
And
I
would
refer
to
councilman,
Brown
and
again
the
destination
they
may
want
to
bring
up
with
the
city
solicitor
to
have
on
Richard
fader,
maybe
do
an
opinion
regarding
if
there
is
any
preemption
issues
for
a
local
tax
and
as
well
as
the
opportunity
there
may
have
been
some
legislative
initiatives
at
the
state
level
in
the
past.
They
have
not
moved
forward.
Thank.
A
A
They
don't
have
to
pass
it
down
on
to
the
consumer
if
they
choose
not
so
that's
more
of
their
own
choice,
they
can
find
other
ways
to
cover
their
calls
and,
to
be
quite
frank,
I
think
now
that
you
want
to
have
supermarkets
at
certain
stores,
selling
mad
dog,
2020,
wild
Irish,
Rose,
cisco
and
other
type
of
wines,
and
also
find
wise
in
the
neighborhoods
they'll
do
more
than
willing
there.
We
built
our
they'll
make
up
any
proposed
laws,
income
in
their
process,
but
it
will
be
a
legal
discussion
around
me.
Yeah.
G
Boones
farm
or
adult
beverages,
they
have
a
guy,
but
I
think
it
does.
I
think
your
point
is
well
taken
in
reference
to
I'm
looking
at
ways
that
we
could
possibly
use
it
and
hope
for
this
opportunity
with
f
coat
and
some
of
your
partner's
say
why
and
determine
what's
the
best
process,
because,
like
you
said
this
issue,
that's
not
just
any
they
put
up
here.
I
would
venture
chester
wedding,
Pittsburgh
Easton,
Allentown,
Bethlehem
earring,
you
can.
G
You
can
rattle
off
the
states
because
of
the
age
of
the
comics
Pennsylvania
and
having
an
aging
a
number
of
industrial
cities
and
coal
based
cities
in
those
type
of
cities
were
to
happen
stock,
it's
probably
in
the
20s
or
30s
more
likely
to
have
this
concern
of
lead
paint,
as
well
as
the
other
issue
of
lead
in
the
lateral
set
enter
people's
homes.
So
this
could
be
an
opportunity
for
a
broader
conversation.
Here's.
C
A
component
to
it
as
well,
which
I
didn't
mention,
but
I'll,
do
it
now.
We
all
know
that
there's
lead
paint,
there's
letting
the
syrup
in
the
piping
which
letting
the
soil
massive
lead
in
the
soil,
where'd
that
come
from
I,
kisses,
lady
guess
we
we
all
bought
leaded
gasoline
counseling.
You
were
bought
a
gallon
gas
for
16
cents
back
in
nineteen
sixty
eight
or
wherever
it
was
graduation.
C
C
Nobody
wants
more
taxes,
but
the
kids
in
tax
is
so
high,
although,
where
there's
like
fifty
cents,
a
gallon
of
no
idea
whether
it
is
critical
to
legislature
give
us
a
penny
per
gallon
of
gasoline
for
a
leg
fun,
why
other
half
a
penny
when
it
give
us
a
half
a
penny
in
order
to
clear
the
gasoline
and
put
until
fun?
Were
these
people?
The
experts
will
let
pink
to
have
that
money
moderate
and
help
solve
the
problem.
A
B
Name
is
built
Lord
on
the
second
director
of
the
tenant
union
representative
network,
and
I'm
here
with
george
boole
from
clinical
services
who's
going
to
help
answer.
Questions
he's
been
working
on
this
for
a
long
time.
We
all
know
him
very
well
I'm,
also
here,
with
Charlene,
looting
and
commuting,
who
are
tenants
who
are
been
part
of
this
problem.
They
did
not
get,
let's
say
certificate
when
they
moved
in
and
Kim
Chester
and
desi.
Shavers
are
also
here
to
answer
questions.
They
did
get
a
certificate,
but
it
wasn't
filed
with
the
health
department.
B
She
has,
since
the
complexity
of
the
situation
here,
I'm
really
pleased
to
be
here
with
Pepco
with
Gerald
and
a
spirit
average
fears
supporting
this
bill,
because
I
think
that's
very,
very
important.
I
agree
with
them
fully
that
the
problem
is
money
and,
if
there's
a
way
to
get
a
fun
together,
that
would
enable
landlords
to
if
there's
a
way
to
provide
a
fund
for
landlords
to
be
able
to
remediate
properties
would
be
crucial
to
this
process.
B
It
is
just
too
expensive
for
people
to
do
voluntarily
and
right
now,
to
be
honest
with
you:
we
have
a
voluntary
program,
there
is
no
enforcement
and
why
do
I
say
that
there's
enforcement
of
some
old
laws
in
terms
of
lead
things
if
a
child
is
already
sick
and
health
department
goes
out,
they
will
enforce
the
law
to
some
degree.
They
don't
collect
money
from
landlords.
They
just
make
sure
they
do.
The
work
apparently
does
not.
B
They
haven't
collected
any
fines
and
until
just
a
couple
years
ago,
so
that
and
collection
doesn't
happen,
but
I
don't
do
require
landless
to
remediate.
What
doesn't
happen
is
there's
no
penalty
to
anyone
for
failure
to
provide
these.
Let's
say:
certificates,
no
one's
ever
been
cited.
No
one's
ever
been.
It
was
very
strong.
Mrs.,
as
lo
said,
I
mean
the
world
provides.
The
city
could
find
one
hundred
three
dollars
a
day.
They
could
find
and
imprison
people.
It
does
nothing
and
doesn't
even
recognize.
B
I
believe
the
fact
that
certificate
hasn't
been
given
unless
the
child
is
already
sick,
so
we're
still
back
in
the
error
of
children
having
to
be
ill
and
poison
before
we
do
something
about
it.
Ignores
laws
on
the
books,
in
spite
of
the
request,
would
have
been
made.
I
am
NOT
optimistic
about
the
city's
capacity
to
enforce
this
law,
and
that's
why
and
Thank
You
councilman
Brown.
This
law
was
designed
a
lot
of
odd
respect
to
enable
tenants
to
enforce
the
law.
The
advance
of
question.
True,
yes,.
C
A
C
A
If
no
one
can
I
don't
really
believe
in
somebody's
want
to
voluntarily
tell
the
truth.
Just
been
upfront
with
you,
especially
in
debt
side,
for
business,
because
you're
going
to
try
and
make
a
profit
and
if
nobody's
coming
out
there
to
actually
do
and
actually
check
and
do
a
real
inspection
right
then
yeah.
You
probably
check
yes
on
the
block.
I
mean
check
yes
on
the
box
and
this
move
forward.
Well,.
C
A
Are
you
on
that,
because,
because
what
happens
is
if
we're
something
about
lead-based
paint,
products
being
used
an
apartment
unit?
What
we're
talking
about
LED
coming
from
the
water,
but
after
this
home
is
built
I
check.
Yes,
everything
has
been
checked.
Everything
is
okay
and
then
3-4
months
later
health
department
comes
out
or
there
some
type
of
diagnosis,
that
a
child
is
suffering
from
some
type
of
lead-based
poisoning.
B
It
there
is
no
enforcement
and
and
and
income
group
and
continuity
there,
because
the
license
is
once
the
first
of
all.
This
requirement
has
only
been
a
few
months,
so
it's
not
like
we're
talking
about
history
here
and
the
the
the
license
could
be
once
a
year.
The
tenant
can
move
in
the
day
after
license
is
granted,
and
then
the
tenant
has.
B
The
dental
anal
has
supplies
certificate,
so
the
Civic
is
based
on
moving
in
for
the
first
time
the
license
is
the
annual
renewal
things
two
separate
processes,
meaning
I,
appreciate
the
effort
to
relate
them
and
notify
landlords
about
the
requirement.
It
doesn't
work
in
terms
of
enforcement
that
what
works
and
what
work
we
work
significantly
is
that
the
law
says
the
tennis
entitled
to
a
refund
of
all
the
rent
that
they
paid
if
they
did
not
get
a
certificate
that
has
never
been
enforced
to
our
knowledge.
B
Okay,
maybe
discussions
about
in
fair
housing,
but
it's
never
been
enforced.
The
courts.
Don't
ask
any
questions
about
this,
and
so
the
fact
that
matter
where
the
tenant
could
be
evicted
for
non-payment
who
never
even
got
the
certificate.
It's
now
rated
situation,
and
so
a
key
thing
is
not
just
let
people
know
about
the
inspection
requirement
about
the
enforcement
capacity
that
tenants
have.
Tens
have
been
made
aware
of
that.
B
80-85
and
ninety-two
percent
of
the
buildings
in
the
Philadelphia
area
are
estimated
to
have
lead
paint.
So
it's
almost
a
universally
true.
So
if
that's
the
case,
tennis
should
know
they
can
ask
for
a
refund
of
rent.
If
they
didn't
get
the
certificate.
Let
me
tell
you
to
310
is
asking
for
that
in
a
high-profile
way
will
solve
the
problem
because
the
land
was
not
going
to
invest
100
adults
with
twenty
dollars,
but
infection.
Okay,
a
certification,
inspection
and
potentially
mediation
can
cost
a
lot
more.
No
one's
going
to
invest
and
saw
this
problem.
B
If
no
one's
going
to
enforce
it.
If
the
city
doesn't
penalize
anybody,
if
tenants
don't
know
about
it,
yeah
we
stood
thousand
tenants
every
year.
They
come
through
our
classes.
No
one
knows
about
this
law
in
the
time
that
we've
been
doing
this
since
it
was
past,
we've
only
had
one
person
say
that
they
got
to
certificate
okay,
one,
okay,
and
that
person
is
what
is
here
today
and
maybe
never
got.
This
is
a
certificate
filed
with
the
health
department,
so
it's
just
not
being
enforced.
B
H
So
let
let
me
add
that
that's
why
this
hearing
is
so
critically
important,
because
it
gives
us
a
register
reading
a
measurement
on
where
we
are
and
where
we
are
not,
and
so
having
this
testimony
is
certainly
going
to
inform
us
all
subsequent
next
steps,
several
which
have
been
mentioned.
Thank
you
for
that.
Please
yeah.
J
Very
beginning
actually
1972,
I
sued
HUD
and
PHA
so
that
they
wanted
sell
properties
and
PHA
one
rent
properties
unless
they
were
in
compliance
with
the
city
health
code.
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
mention
what
first
is
I
want
to.
Thank
the
committee
for
doing
this.
It's
extremely
important.
This
bill
is
very
important
to
the
safety
of
children
and
city
of
Philadelphia,
and
especially
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
the
leader
in
getting
this
bill
introduced.
Yes,.
J
The
bill
has
not
done
what
it's
supposed
to
do
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
One
of
the
reasons
this
bill
is
so
important
is
that
in
Philadelphia,
the
way
we
determine
whether
or
not
there
was
light
in
a
property
doesn't
necessarily
happen
until
a
child
gets
poisoned
right,
they
been
voted
that
they
get
pho
to
a
doctor.
The
doctor
then
sends
to
the
health
department
the
fact
that
a
kid
is
poison
and
the
health
department
goes
out
and
inspect
the
property.
The
importance
of
this
law
is,
it
is
now
relative.
J
What
it
does
is
supposedly
prevent
a
child
from
going
into
a
property
unless
the
property
is
less
safe.
I
think
enforcement
is
critical.
There
are
substantial
fines
as
dollars,
as
Doyle
mentioned,
that
can
be
imposed
upon
landlords
who
do
not
comply
and
I
think
if
the
health
department
and
L
and
I
went
after
some
landlords
and
in
those
substantial
fines,
I
think
there
could
be
a
real
turnaround
in
the
city.
The
fly
it's
two
thousand
dollars
a
day
for
every
right
of
every
day
that
the
violation
has
been
in
existence.
J
F
J
H
Thank
you
for
that
very
very
much.
It
simply
underscores
we
still
have
a
lot
to
do.
Thank
you
so
much
so
we'll
move
to
the
next
panel.
If
that's
okay,
and
if
there's
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
testify,
I
would
like
to
call
up
L&I.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
testimony
after
our
next
panel.
Please
you're
welcome
to
move
to
the
witness
table
and
give
us
your
full
name
and
I'll
offer
your
testimony.
No
problem.
We
prefer
to
do
that
at
the
witness
table.
Okay,.
D
D
I'm,
sorry,
no
problem,
my
voice
is
love.
You
did
bring
up
a
very
good
question
and
that
is
my
question.
Our
landlord
left
their
license
lapse
from
years
and
years
and
years
ago,
and
when
we
started
going
through
issues
with
the
landlord,
he
apparently
went
on
to
the
website
and
filled
out
that
form
and
he
simply
checked
off
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes
and
knowingly
note
he
knows
that
I
have
sent
him
pictures
from
a
plumber
and
from
someone
that
works
at
Illinois
took
down
the
drain
that
the
sewer
pipes
out
front
of
us.
D
Let
the
windows
have
never
been
replaced.
Since
the
house
has
been
built,
you
put
them
up
and
down
you
get
the
dust
from
the
lid
I
have
small
grandchildren
in
the
house.
They
had
been
born
there,
so
we're
not
only
talking
about
children.
Six
and
under
I
mean
children
who
have
turned
seven.
You
know
they
have
to
be
tested,
but
she
was
in
utero
with
these
babies
and
they
was
born
there.
D
Ok
now
he
went
on
this
website
and
just
checked
yes,
yes,
yes
and
honor,
and
we
take
that
we
sit
back
as
citizens
and
take
that
and
say:
ok,
he
said
just
so.
It's
ok,
no
one
came
out
to
my
home
and
looked
around
and
swab.
No
one
came
out
to
my
home
and
checked
it
broken
concrete.
No
one
came
out
to
my
home
when
he
renewed
his
license.
D
Our
sidewalks
are
busted
or
our
steps
are
falling
apart.
The
news
he
replaced
windows
and
never
replace
the
wood
around
the
windows.
Ok,
so
it's
old
chipping
wood
around
the
windows
and
has
been
nerve
to
get
arrogant
with
me.
If
I
ask
a
question:
if
I
say
a
sewer
pipe
is
busted,
I
have
to
pay
a
plumber,
he
won't
come
out
well,
he
wants
to
make
it
my
issue:
hey.
H
I
appreciate
you
showing
up
today
and
registering
your
concern
directly
with
us,
because
we
have
the
two
departments
here
today
that
we
want
you
to
sit
with
and
confer
with,
so
that
they
can
get
your
exact
address
in
the
name
of
the
landlord.
It
sounds
like
based
on
the
information
I've
heard
yours
is
your
landlord
is
subject
to
a
violation
here,
so.
D
H
D
K
H
K
D
K
Your
net
full
name
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Kim
Chester
shavers
and
my
issue
is:
when
we
moved
in,
we
literally
had
a
tree
in
our
home.
It
took
them
three
months
and
get
it
out,
but
as
we
make
ice
and
water,
we
taste
of
minerals
which
we
buy
seven
cases
of
water
a
month.
We
don't
use
it
for
I
use,
I,
sleep
or
water
and
ice.
We
don't
use
our
faucet
to
eat
or
cook
with.
This
is
a
rental
property.
Yes
and
and
I
know.
K
When
when
we
one
day
we
went
to
home
depot
and
he
was
giving
out
these
things
to
check
your
water
sure
they
sent
me
a
letter
immediately.
They
said
it
was
going
to
wait
three
to
six
weeks.
They
sent
me
a
letter
immediately.
They
told
me,
do
not
drink
their
water
again
and
do
not
give
it
to
your
children.
If
I
say
something
to
my
landlord,
you
got
to
go
put
out,
but
then
they
did
give
me
the
paper
stating
that
they've
been
tested
for
leg.
Why
would
these
people
send
that
to
us?
Well,.
H
K
H
K
H
K
H
K
G
H
Yes,
all
right,
then,
we've
heard
from
everyone
in
step,
Alan
I.
We
want
to
move
along
because
we
have
a
one
o'clock
hearing
and
a
presentation
that
needs
to
take
place
in
10
minutes.
So
we
want
to
give
everybody
an
opportunity
to
be
on
the
record.
So
if
all
I
can
move
forward
to
the
table
quickly,
forgive
me
that's
more
important.
H
H
We
will
we
read
the
testimony,
pull
out
the
recommendations
that
have
been
offered
by
all
of
the
testifiers
speak
with
member
of
the
House
and
the
Senate
to
see
who
might
be
amenable
to
the
recommendation
offered
by
hatco
after
we
get
a
city,
solicitors
opinion
on
whether
or
not
we
can
even
proceed
in
that
direction,
but
we
want
to
thank
you
all
for
showing
up
and
for
bringing
our
families
that
have
actually
been
badly
negatively
impacted
by
the,
I
would
say,
weak
enforcement
of
this
of
legislation.
Thank
you
all
for
your
testimony.