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From YouTube: Committee on Licenses and Inspections 11-29-2022
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The Joint Committees on Public Safety and the Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Tuesday, November 22, 2022 to hear testimony on the following items:
220699
Resolution authorizing City Council’s Committee on Public Safety and the Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention to Hold Hearings Regarding Relocating Victims Who Are Targets of Deadly Violence and Determining How the $500,000 Appropriated for their Relocation was Utilized.
A
B
B
I
now
note
that
the
hour
has
come:
Mr
Golden.
Will
you
please
call
the
roll
to
take
attendance
members
that
are
in
attendance?
Will
please
indicate
that
you
are
present
when
your
name
is
called
also.
Please
say
a
few
brief
words
when
responding
so
that
your
image
will
be
displayed
on
screen
when
you
speak.
B
B
Two:
two:
zero
six:
three
eight
and
two:
two:
zero:
six:
six:
six
prior
to
requesting
Mr
Golden,
to
read
the
titles
of
the
bills
being
heard.
I
would
like
to
inform
members
and
the
public
that
bill
number
220299
is
being
held
in
committee,
By
Request
of
the
sponsor
Mr
Golden.
Will
you
please
read
the
titles
of
the
bills.
D
Bill
number
220638
an
ordinance
amending
title
IV
of
the
Philadelphia
code,
entitled
the
Philadelphia
building
construction
and
occupancy
code
by
adopting
the
2018
edition
of
the
international
residential
code,
AS
published
by
the
International
Code
Council,
including
maintenance
of
previously
adopted
amendments
to
the
2015
International
residential
code.
As
adopted
under
the
Pennsylvania
uniform
construction
code
act
all
under
certain
terms
and
conditions
and
Bill
number
22066.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Golden,
before
we
begin
to
hear
testimony
from
the
witnesses
we
have
for
today.
Everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
meeting
to
testify
should
be
aware
that
this
is
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
because
the
hearing
is
public
participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
B
By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
be
recorded
additionally
prior
to
recognizing
members
for
the
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
Witnesses.
I
will
note
for
the
record
at
this
time
that
we
will
use
the
chat
feature
available
in
Microsoft
teams
to
allow
members
to
signify
that
they
wish
to
be
recognized
in
order
to
comply
with
the
sunshine
act.
The
chat
feature
must
only
be
used
for
this
purpose.
B
F
F
The
purpose
of
this
legislation
is
to
amend
the
Philadelphia
coach
to
incorporate
the
2018
International
residential
code
or
IRC,
as
adopted
by
the
Commonwealth
of
Pennsylvania,
with
the
retention
of
existing
local
changes,
Pennsylvania
Department
of
Labor
and
Industry
regulations.
Adopting
these
Provisions
became
effective,
February
14
2022,
with
a
six-month
grace
period
where
applicants
were
permitted
to
design
to
the
2015
edition
of
the
code.
F
G
F
So
a
lot
of
times
you'll
see
you
know
a
row
of
those
built
altogether,
even
if
they're
built
all
together,
they
could
be
on
the
same
property.
They
could
be
on
separate
properties
that
could
still
fall
under
the
IRC
and
and
also,
if
we're
talking
about
existing
structures.
You
would
also
need
to
consider
the
the
existing
building
code,
on
top
of
the
IR
say.
B
A
A
A
A
Specifically,
it
will
prohibit
supervisors
from
requiring
that
a
tower
crane
operator
remain
at
the
operating
controls
for
a
period
exceeding
four
hours,
without
permitting
the
operator
to
descend
the
tower
for
at
least
a
30
minute
break.
Additionally,
this
bill
will
also
require
that
operators
must
be
allowed
to
descend
at
any
time
to
have
access
to
sanitary
facilities
as
needed.
During
such
time,
the
supervisors
are
allowed
to
assign
a
second
operator
to
continue
working
the
crane
with
the
complexity
and
scale
of
many
modern
construction
sites.
A
This
Administration
believes
that
it
is
in
the
interest
of
safety
to
the
operator,
their
co-workers
on
the
job
and
also
the
public
at
large
that
workers
operating
critical
Machinery,
such
as
Tower
cranes,
should
have
regular
access
to
breaks.
Additionally,
we
believe
that
all
employees
should
have
reasonable
access
to
sanitary
facilities.
The
administration
would
like
to
thank
the
sponsors
for
their
leadership
on
this
issue.
We
are
in
support
of
the
bill
and
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
at
this
time.
F
E
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
Manny,
real
quick
and
thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
thank
Mr
laser
for
all
his
work
during
the
years
we're
going
to
miss
him.
But
as
far
as
the
enforcement
of
this,
how
do
you
perceive
enforcement
to
work
and
if,
if
it's
not
follow
what
what
would
the
city
or
or
the
Departments
do
in
order
to
make
sure
that
this
safe
measure
is
being
done.
A
So
we
have,
we
have
had
some
internal
conversations
on
how
enforcement
would
work.
We
have
a
few
ideas
which
we,
which
will
we
will
be
presenting
to
to
you
offline,
how
that
could
how
that
could
happen.
We
anticipate
worst
cases.
There
may
need
to
be
some
further
amendments
to
clarify
how
how
enforcement
would
work.
It's
not
explicitly
provided
for
within
the
language
as
written,
but
we
have
some
ideas
and
we
can
make
that
happen
by
December
8th
at
the
latest.
E
E
D
H
D
H
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
in
addition
to
what
Manny
had
said,
we're
also
interested
with
the
amendment
of
Bill
number
220-66
for
an
interest
to
safety,
allowing
an
operator
to
remain
at
the
operating
controls
for
a
period
exceeding
four
hours
without
requiring
the
operator
to
descend
the
tower.
So
we
would
like
the
requirement
of
a
break
for
sanitary
facilities.
H
Even
states
that
it
is
to
prevent
or
minimize
injury
to
workers
and
otherwise
provide
for
the
protection
of
Life,
limited
property
by
prescribing
safety
requirements,
provide
direction
to
manufacturers,
owners,
employers,
users
and
others
concerned
with
or
responsible
for
its
application
and
guide
governments
and
other
regulatory
bodies
and
development,
promulgation
and
enforcement
of
appropriate
safety
directives.
If
there
goes
forward
in
section
1.23.2
c
that
says,
when
access
to
the
operator's
cab
requires
a
claw,
a
climb
of
100
feet
or
more
sanitary
facilities
should
be
provided.
H
So,
while
it's
only
a
recommendation,
even
as
me
recognizes
the
need
for
sanitary
facilities,
1926
51c,
simply
States
toilets
at
construction
job
sites
of
which
the
Porta-Johns
were
familiar
with,
are
will
suit.
But
1926.51g
states
that
eating
and
drinking
areas
no
employees
shall
be
allowed
to
consume
food
or
beverage
in
a
toilet
room
nor
in
any
area
exposed
to
a
toxic
material.
H
You
can
Institute
some
sort
of
thing
where
a
a
signal
to
another
employee
May
provide
relief,
while
the
first
employee
is
away
from
the
station
and,
like
I,
said
long
and
short,
that's
all
we're
asking
for,
and
it
also
states.
There
was
another
interpretation
of
1926
C1
C4
from
February
23rd
of
2005,
in
which
they
gave
an
example
of
a
10-story
building
with
sanitary
facilities
at
the
ground
level.
Would
this
constitute
compliance
with
the
law
and
what
OSHA
had
to
say
about?
It
was
for
it
to
be
considered
nearby
toilet
facilities.
H
It
has
to
take
less
than
10
minutes
to
get
to
them.
So
in
this
case
it
might
even
be
considered
nearby
in
which
you
would
either
need
relief
for
the
ability
to
get
yourself
yeah.
In
short,
like
I,
said,
I
would
just
imagine
male
or
female,
because
we
have
female
tower
crane
operators
as
well
you're,
stuck
in
this
little
4x6
area
for
eight
hours
in
which
you
have
to
urinate
and
defecate
in
bottles
and
buckets
eat
in
that
space
and
then
carry
recommend
to
the
ground
with
you.
He
said.
B
B
E
B
D
Morning,
my
name
is
Vaughn
Buckley
and
I'm,
testifying
on
Bill
number
22066
is
a
representative
of
the
building
industry,
Association
of
Philadelphia,
most
commonly
known
as
the
Bia.
The
Bia
represents
a
cross-section
of
the
construction
industry,
and
many
of
our
members
will
be
impacted
by
this
bill
directly
and
indirectly.
I
want
to
thank
Community,
Chad,
Driscoll,
councilman,
squiller
and
the
rest
of
the
l.
I
committee
for
your
opportunity
to
provide
this
testimony.
D
I
also
want
to
say
that,
while
we
were
listed
as
an
objection
to
this
bill,
I
don't
think
that's
a
fair
characterization
I'm
in
complete
support
of
everything
that
has
been
said
by
both
panel
number
one
and
panel
number
two.
The
only
reason
that
we
have
a
discussion
here
today
is
that
I
believe
that
the
bill,
as
drafted
does
not
properly
reflect
their
testimony.
D
The
change
that
we
had
with
the
bill
on
Wednesday
of
last
week
that
that
altered
the
language
from
allowing
we,
which
I
will
also
note,
is
the
same
words
used
by
the
folks
testifying
in
panel.
One
and
two
has
been
changed
to
requiring,
and
the
effect
here
is
that
we
are
asking
those
folks
that
are
operating
out
frames
to
come
down
and
we
are
being
asked
to
enforce
that
as
both
operators,
contractors
and
owners.
D
As
such.
My
comments
are
limited
entirely
to
the
items
in
this
bill
which
are
either,
in
our
opinion,
not
championing
safety
or
are
infeasible
to
enforce,
and
while
I
notice,
there
are
members
of
the
committee
and
of
the
testifying
panel
that
have
operated
Tower
cranes
and
have
appropriately
discussed
the
impacts
that
come
along
with
it
for
those
that
haven't
I'd
like
to
make
a
comparison
to
climbing
ladders.
D
Here,
when
you
clean
your
gutters
you're,
typically
climbing
10
to
20
rungs
of
a
ladder
and
on
a
320
foot
tower
crane
that
can
be
as
many
as
500
rungs.
This
bill
has
now
been
amended
to
require
an
operated
to
descend
from
the
Tower
every
four
hours.
Assuming
that
they
don't
have
any
bathroom
breaks,
this
would
require
them
to
ascend
and
descend
six
times
on
a
10
hour
shift.
This
is
a
combined
ascent
and
Descent
of
1800
feet
and
nearly
3
000
rungs
of
a
ladder.
D
The
idea
that
such
a
requirement
is
an
enhancement
to
operator
safety
is
really
challenged
by
the
facts.
Imagine
having
to
climb
a
ladder
twice,
the
height
of
the
Comcast
Tower.
In
order
to
work,
your
shift
in
a
300
foot
tower
crane,
that's
what
this
bill
is
currently
requiring,
and
this
makes
the
operator's
job
less
safe.
It
exposes
them
to
physical
stresses
that
are
likely
to
violate
the
same
OSHA
requirements
that
have
been
present
here
in
Testament
in
testimony,
and
it
exposes
The
Operators
and
the
owners
to
a
terrible
choice.
D
They
can
either
follow
the
law
or
they
can
enhance
operator
safety.
In
some
cases,
it
will
not
be
possible
to
do
both.
Imagine
having
declined
500
steps
down
on
a
ladder
while
a
spring
rain
shower
is
present
a
thunderstorm.
The
storm
occurs,
a
full
tornado,
watches
in
place
or
a
winter
snow
squall
passes
through.
All
of
these
events
will
happen
at
a
point
where
an
operator
is
in
the
crane
for
four
hours
and
to
force
them
to
the
ground.
D
B
E
B
C
C
F
F
There
was
a
six-month
grace
period
where
any
application
that
came
in
for
you
know,
for
example,
new
construction
or
an
addition
on
a
residential
dwelling
could
choose
whether
they
wanted
to
apply
the
new
code,
which
is
the
2018
IRC
or
the
previous
code,
which
was
2015.
after
that
grace
period.
All
applications
that
come
in
are
reviewed
under
the
2018.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
I'm
just
going
to
note
publicly
that
I
did
receive
a
letter
in
opposition.
However,
I
think
it
is
important
that
anyone
who
wants
to
make
opposition
do
so
at
a
public
hearing,
not
through
a
letter.
We
cannot
ask
questions,
we
don't
know
yeah,
we
can
meet
people
privately,
but
we
have
public
hearings
for
a
reason.
If
there
is
a
good
reason
to
oppose
this
bill,
please
say
so
publicly
and
we
can
ask
questions
and
people
can
be
informed
other
than
that.
C
You
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
you
know.
I
sometimes
will
do
the
research
on
my
own,
but
some
of
these
things
are
very
technical
and
you
know
we
we
need
public
comment.
I
appreciate
the
last
witness
on
the
the
last
bill.
It
was
very
clear
to
me
what
he
was
saying:
I
understand
what
he's
saying:
I
I'm,
not
an
operating
engineer,
I,
don't
know
the
the
practicalities
of
all
of
this,
but
I
appreciate
public
comment
and
so
yeah
I
mean
I.
Appreciate
that
explanation.
It's
informative.
B
B
B
So
then
that
would
conclude
the
hearing
and
then
we
would
go
into
the
public
meeting
there
being
no
further
questions
from
the
members
of
the
committee
and
no
other
witnesses
to
testify
on
Bill's
number
220638
and
220-666
at
West.
If
there's
anyone
else
present
in
this
hearing
whose
name
we
have
failed
to
call
and
that
wishes
to
offer
testimony
on
the
bills
being
considered
today,.
B
Hearing
none
I
want
to
thank
the
panels
and
Witnesses
for
their
participation.
Today,
we
value
your
opinions.
I
now
invite
all
panels
and
witnesses
to
please
disconnect
from
the
hearing
before
we
go
into
our
public
meeting
on
the
bills.
We
will
now
pause
the
proceedings
briefly,
as
multiple
participants
leave
the
hearing.
B
B
We
will
now
convene
the
public
meeting
Mr
Golden.
Will
you
please
call
the
roll
to
take
attendance
members
that
are
in
attendance?
Will
please
indicate
that
you
are
present
when
your
name
is
called
also,
please
say
a
few
brief
words
when
responding
so
that
your
image
will
be
displayed
on
screen
when
you
speak.
E
B
B
E
E
B
The
chair
notes
for
the
record
that
council
member
oh
seconds
the
motion.
It
has
been
moved
and
properly
seconded
that
the
build
number
220638
as
amended,
be
reported
from
this
committee
with
a
favorable
recommendation
and
that
further
move
that
the
rules
of
council
be
suspended
to
permit
first
reading
of
this
bill
at
the
next
session
of
council.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
will
signify
it
by
saying
aye,
aye,
India
post.
B
E
H
B
D
B
E
G
B
The
chair
notes
for
the
record
to
council
member
Jones
seconds
the
emotion
it
has
been
moved
and
properly
seconded
that
bill
number
two:
two:
zero
666
as
amended,
be
reported
from
this
committee
with
a
favorable
recommendation
and
further
move
that
the
rules
of
council
be
suspended
to
permit
first
reading
of
this
bill
at
the
next
session
of
council.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
will
signify
by
saying
aye
all
right.
There's
a
post,
the
ice
habit.
The
motion
carries.