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The Joint Committees on Public Safety and Public Health and Human Services of the Council of the City of Philadelphia will hold a Public Hearing on Monday, March 15, 2021, at 2:30 PM, in a remote manner using Microsoft® Teams to hear testimony on the following items:
200690 Resolution authorizing the Committees on Public Safety and Public Health and Human Services to conduct joint hearings to examine available options for protecting Philadelphians in the Philadelphia jail system and the Pennsylvania prison system from COVID 19.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
understand
that
state
law
currently
requires
that
the
following
announcement
be
made
at
the
beginning
of
every
remote
public
hearing
as
follows.
Due
to
the
current
public
health
emergency
city,
council
committees
are
currently
meeting
remotely
we're
using
microsoft
teams
to
make
these
hearings
possible
instructions
for
how
the
public
may
view
and
offer
public
testimony
at
public
hearings
of
council
committees
are
included
in
the
public
hearing,
notices
that
are
published
in
the
daily
news,
inquirer
and
legal
intelligence
are
prior
to
the
hearing
and
can
also
be
found
on
phl
council
dot
com.
B
Everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
meeting
to
testify
should
be
aware
that
this
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
because
it
is
being
recorded,
participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
By
continuing
to
be
in
this
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
additionally
prior
to
council
member
jones
recognizing
members
for
questions
or
comments
they
may
have
for
witnesses.
B
C
B
A
F
Well
good
afternoon,
mr
chairman
and
good
afternoon
to
my
colleagues,
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief
so
that
we
can
get
into
the
testimony,
but
obviously
we
had
a
hearing
back
in
december
of
2020
regarding
covet
within
the
prison
system
and
the
effects
on
the
the
those
who
are
incarcerated,
as
well
as
those
who
are
working
within
the
system
we
have.
Since,
since
that
time
we
have
had
several
conversations
with
different
entities.
This
ascertain
exactly
what
is
the
condition?
F
What
is
the
status
of
basics
being
provided
such
as
tpe,
social,
distancing
and
following
safety
guidelines
that
we
know
work
within
the
prison
system?
We
received
the
response
from
the
administration
from
the
questions
from
december
just
late
last
week,
so
I
believe
on
the
12th
and
the
14th.
We
received
responses
to
our
questions
three
months
later
from
commissioner
carney
and
from
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff,
mr
engler,
and
so
because
we
received
them
so
late.
F
We
haven't
had
the
thorough
chance
to
review
them
as
much
as
we
would
have
liked,
but
I
will
save
my
questions
for
the
testimony
because
we
do
have
some
questions
based
on
generally
having
a
quick
look
at
what
was
provided
just
recently.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
look
forward
to
the
testimony.
A
G
G
A
B
Resolution
number:
two:
zero:
zero:
six:
nine
zero;
a
resolution
authorizing
the
committees
on
public
safety
and
public
health
and
human
services
to
conduct
joint
hearings
to
examine
available
options
for
protecting
philadelphians
in
the
philadelphia
jail
system
and
the
pennsylvania
prison
system
from
covet.
19.
H
Commissioner,
good
afternoon,
chair
members,
jones
and
bass
and
members
of
committee
of
public
safety
and
public
health
and
human
services,
I
am
blanche
carney,
commissioner
of
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons
and
I'm
accompanied
today
by
deputy
commissioners,
terence
clark,
xavier
buford
and
terrell
bagdy
chief
medical
officer,
bruce
herdman,
chief
of
staff,
greg
brotto
and
our
contracts
administrator,
deborah
snyder.
Thank
you
for
inviting
the
department
of
prisons
to
provide
updates
for
resolution
number
two:
zero:
zero,
six,
nine
zero
regarding
covet
19
and
its
impact.
H
Since
the
prisons
last
testified.
On
december
1st
of
2020,
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons
continues
its
mitigation
efforts
to
reduce
the
transmission
of
covet
19
inside
its
facilities
to
protect
staff
and
inmates.
The
pdp
continues
to
work
closely
with
the
philadelphia
department
of
public
health
and
follows
centers
for
disease
control,
guidelines
for
correctional
facilities.
H
The
pdp
continues
to
manufacture,
cloth
mass
and
is
on
its
third
iteration
of
design,
resulting
in
a
three-ply
mask.
Pdp
continues
to
provide
cloth,
masks
and
non-surgical
masks
for
staff
and
excuse
me
cloth
mask
for
staff
in
the
inmate
population.
The
mask
are
readily
available
for
staff.
Some
for
for
those
who
choose
to
wear
them,
staff
who
choose
not
to
wear
the
three-ply
cloth
mask
wear
their
own
non-surgical
mask
staff
must
wear
a
mask
at
all
times.
H
Inmates
are
issued
four
cloth
masks
at
the
time
of
admission
and
have
multiple
masks.
Since
the
inception
of
covet
19
pandemic,
the
pdp
exchanges
damage
mass
for
new
ones
each
wednesday
it
may
squander
their
mass
each
week
with
their
assigned
clothing
and
linens.
Inmates
must
wear
a
mask
at
all
times
outside
of
their
cells.
To
date,
the
pdp
has
distributed
104
992
cloth
masks
to
staff
in
the
inmate
population.
H
In
addition
to
the
cloth
mask,
staff
have
been
assigned
levels
of
personal
protective
equipment,
commit
excuse
me,
equipment
commensurate
with
their
posts.
The
assignment
of
our
ppe
was
modeled
after
the
medical
model,
ensuring
staff
working
with
covet
19
positive
inmates
or
issued
the
highest
level
of
ppe,
such
as
n95s,
gowns
and
aprons,
and
with
general
population
quarantine
areas
issued
appropriate
level.
Ppa
ppe,
such
as
the
kn-95,
non-surgical
and
cloth
mask
with
all
having
access
to
gloves.
Pdp
has
an
ample
supply
of
ppe
on
hand
and
continues
to
issue
to
staff.
H
Accordingly,
the
pdp
continues
to
provide
mass
soap
and
cleaning
supplies
for
inmates
to
maintain
their
personal
hygiene
and
to
clean
their
cells
in
common
areas.
Pdp
installed
plexiglass
throughout
its
facilities
and
housing
unit
areas,
offices,
lobbies
and
official
visiting
areas.
To
date,
we
have
installed
a
total
of
228
lexon
partitions,
known
as
plexiglass
partitions
hand,
sand
hand
dispensers
continue
to
be
available
in
staff,
common
areas,
lobbies
and
official
visiting
areas.
H
Staff
has
also
been
approved
to
enter
the
facilities
with
their
personal
size,
hand,
sanitizers
floor
markings
and
signage
remain
placed
throughout
the
facilities
as
a
visual
indicator
for
staff
and
inmates
to
practice
social
distancing
to
the
extent
possible.
Thermal
screening
for
staff
remains
in
effect
at
all
entrances.
H
Pdp
continues
to
conduct
contact
tracing
accordingly,
pdp
created
educational
campaigns
regarding
copic
19,
mass
swearing
and
flu
immunization
that
are
presented
to
staff
and
the
inmate
population
respectively.
Using
our
closed
circuit
tv
system,
lunch
periods
remain
staggered
and
roll
calls
for
uniform
staff
remains
relocated
to
large
areas.
To
allow
for
social
distancing,
enhanced
sanitizing
protocols
remain
in
place.
Pdp
continues
to
test
all
inmates
upon
admission
and
maintains
a
14-day
quarantine
period
in
accordance
with
the
cdc
guidelines.
H
Symptomatic
inmates
continue
to
be
immediately
isolated
and
tested.
While
the
symptomatic
inmates
housed
in
housing
is
placed
in
quarantine
where
all
inmates
housed
on
the
unit
are
serial
tested,
any
asymptomatic
positive
inmates
are
placed
in
isolation.
Quarantine
is
lifted
only
is
lifted
only
when
there
are
no
longer
any
positive
patients
on
the
unit.
H
Pdp's
infection
rate
was
less
than
five
percent.
For
six
months
of
the
pandemic.
In
early
december
of
2020,
we
experienced
an
uptick
in
positive
cases,
which
required
the
pdp
to
return
to
shelter
and
place
status
in
order
to
manage
the
potential
spread.
Housing
units
were
placed
in
quarantine
and
isolation
respectively.
H
H
The
testing
revealed
a
1.2
infection
rate
for
staff
and
the
6
infection
rate
for
inmates.
As
a
result
of
the
improvements
in
our
infection
rate,
the
pdp
lifted
the
shelter
and
place
mandate.
In
early
january
2021.,
effective
february
10
2021
pdp
permitted
inmates
to
leave
their
sales
for
two
hours
per
day
and
effective
february
24th
2021
three
hours
a
day
which
remains
in
effect
overall
pdp
has
performed
over
22
000
covet
19
tests
and
in
that
significant
number
tested,
the
infection
rate
for
inmates
is
below
7,
both
universal
testing
of
inmates.
H
H
B
H
Its
vaccine
program
in
february
2021
pdp,
receives
its
doses
from
the
philadelphia
department
of
public
health
and
equally
officers,
doses
to
staff
and
inmates
staff
assigned
to
intake
and
isolation
housing
areas
and
the
hospital
boards
were
first
offered.
The
vaccine
and
inmates
assigned
to
these
units
and
those
with
compromised
immune
systems
are
or
medically
vulnerable
vaccine
doses
continue
to
be
offered
to
staff
and
inmates
at
all
facilities.
Pdp
continues
to
offer
doses
to
staff
on
site,
making
it
easier
for
them
to
receive
the
vaccine.
H
Pdp
continues
to
make
available
virtual
legal
visits
and
virtual
court
proceedings.
The
court
resumed
in-person
court
hearings
in
january.
2021
pdp
continues
to
make
available
in-person
legal
visits
requiring
the
inmate
and
the
visiting
attorney
to
wear
their
mask
at
all
times.
Seated
in
chairs
that
provide
more
than
six
feet
of
social
distance.
Pdp
continues
to
provide
weekly
lists
to
the
court's
district
attorney
and
defenders
for
consideration
for
early
release.
On
march
5th
2021,
the
pdp
implemented
inmate
scheduled
for
court
to
receive
that
rapid
test.
I
C
H
Tested
and
medically
cleared
are
permitted
for
transport
to
court.
Pdp
continues
to
use
the
first
judicial
district
court
portals
for
the
defender
association
to
conduct
virtual
legal
visits
from
2
to
10
pm.
Additionally,
the
pdp
continues
offering
the
virtual
tablet
platform
for
legal
and
civilian
visits
respectively.
H
Tablet
legal
visits,
virtual
visit
since
october,
1st
2020
and
civilian
virtual
visits
since
december
15
2020
continue
to
occur
and
are
heavily
utilized.
The
pdp
continues
to
offer
zoom
virtual
legal
visits
as
well.
There
have
been
two
thousand
nine
hundred
and
twenty
five
virtual
legal
visits
and
two
hundred
and
nineteen
thousand
one
hundred
and
forty
eight
virtual
civilian
visits
for
friends
and
family,
seven
thousand
914
in-person
legal
visits
and
6227
legal
visits
via
zoom.
H
The
pdp
continues
to
address
the
operational
challenges
driven
by
cope
at
19,
using
our
best
efforts
to
keep
staff
and
inmates
safe,
remain
fully
committed
to
working
with
our
fellow
criminal
justice
partners
to
continue
to
safely
effectuate
increased
proceedings
to
reduce
the
prison
population.
Thank
you
and
I
will
be
happy
to
respond
to
any
questions.
A
H
H
Councilman
we
were
reporting
and
we
continue
to
report
that
information
to
the
department
of
public
health.
It
is
not
identified
and
separated
out
for
staff
and
inmates
it's
in
aggregate
and
we've
provided
that
information
from
the
onset,
and
we
continue
to
do
so.
What
we
can
share
with
you
is
the
infection
rate
when
we
did
the
testing
with
the
one-time,
universal
testing
of
staff
being
one
percent
and
then.
C
H
Six
percent
of
the
second
round
of
universal
testing
from
the
onset
the
city
is
reporting
covet
positive
cases
in
aggregate
it's
not
differentiated
by
staff
or
inmates.
What
we
can
share
with
you
and
dr
hertman
will
respond
shortly.
Is
the
total
number
of
symptomatic
and
asymptomatic
inmates?
Okay,.
J
We
have
repeatedly
asked
for
this
question
of
what
are
the
specifics
by
this
department
and
commissioner,
there
are
three
city
staff
workers,
your
employees,
who
have
died
of
coped.
It
is
our
right
to
understand
if
you
are
sharing
that
information
with
help
health
department
does
not
publish
those
numbers
on
its
website
is
not
made
publicly
available.
Are
you
telling
us
because
this
is
asked
before?
Are
you
telling
us
that
the
department
refuses
to
share
with
the
city
council
committee,
the
specific
numbers
on
covid
testing
and
positivity
with
this
committee?
H
That
the
answer
is
no,
because
we
have
re
repeatedly
responded
to
this
thinker.
We've
explained
to
you
how
we're
reporting
that
information
we
gave
you
last
the
last
testimony
our
infection
rates,
and
we
we
informed
you
that
we
share
that
information.
That
is
the
city's
response,
we're
providing
that
information
to
public
health.
H
J
I'm
gonna,
let
you
take
it
from
here,
but
I
want
it
on
the
record
that
the
commission,
this
department,
will
not
share
with
us
directly,
and
if
we
want
this
information,
we
have
to
go
to
health,
which
I
consider
to
be
not
appropriate.
I
think
it
is
our
responsibility
to
ask
the
department
to
publicly
state
what
the
covet
positivity
rates
are
for
people
that
we
mandate
to
be
put
into
these
prisons,
including
for
right
now,
young
people,
children
who
can
be
put
into
an
adult
prison.
So
I
do
want
it
on
the
record.
J
G
H
Again
I'll
respond
from
the
very
beginning
of
the
covet
19
pandemic,
the
city
established
that
the
information
would
be
reported
in
aggregate.
It
was
not
where
we
would
say
how
many
staff,
how
many
tested
positive
we
have
provided
that
information.
It
is
on
the
city's
website
we're
aligned
with
the
approach
that
the
city
has
taken.
We've
reported
that
information
to
the
health
department
that
information
is
on
the
website
and
if
you
would
allow
us
to
have
dr
hertman
join
us
to
give
you
some
of
that
information.
H
Now
this
is
a
question
that
has
been
repeatedly
asked.
We've
been
consistent
to
align
with
the
city's
approach.
This
is
not
a
prison
approach.
This
is
the
city's
approach.
We
do
understand
other
jurisdictions
report
information
differently,
but
from
the
outset
of
covet,
19
we've
been
consistent,
dr
if
you
can
join
us.
Oh.
E
As
the
commissioner
says,
there's
significant
detail
in
there
about
what
we're
supposed
to
do
recommended
to
do
for
screening
and
testing
and
sanitation
and
ppe
who's.
What
kind
of
ppe
and
who's
supposed
to
wear
it
and
what
situations
social,
distancing,
contact,
tracing
and
con
and
quarantine
and
isolation,
and
when
people
go
in
and
out
of
that,
and
it's
been
compliance
with
those
recommendations
that
has
led
us
to
have
that.
What
I
think
are
quite
favorable
numbers
not
perfect,
and,
commissioner,
can
we
have
that
slide
shown.
E
E
We've
done
more
than
22
000
tests
over
the
course
of
this
pandemic,
and
our
current
rate
is
about
a
2
infection
rate
and
virtually
all
of
those
people
are
asymptomatic,
which
is
good
in
the
sense
that
they
are
less
likely
to
infect
other
individuals.
Nevertheless,
they're
in
quarantine,
so
that
they're
they
they
don't.
We
don't
expose
other
people
to
people
who
have
are
positive
or
covet.
E
A
A
E
E
A
E
A
H
H
And
so
we
have
a
longer
length
of
stay
because
the
court
proceedings
were
curtailed
significantly
and
our
average
length
of
stay
has
significantly
increased.
Given
the
impact
of
the
court
related
operations,
our
admissions
are
outpacing
our
releases,
and
and
so
that's
why
you
we
have
that
increase
in
the
inmate
population,
so
our
admissions
are
outpacing.
The
releases.
J
J
E
J
So
that
would
help
commissioner
carney
would
help
to
know
that
those
are
being
published
and
that
it's
not
you
know
it
is
available.
I
think
that
was
the
question
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
of
that
this
information
is
publicly
available.
So
that's
important
going
back
to
your
to
your
statement,
so
you
said
that
there
were
something
like
1200,
asymptomatic
cases,
285
symptomatic
cases,
so
does
that
mean
there
were
about
1500
total
cases.
E
E
J
E
E
E
E
E
H
H
We
were
doing
the
screenings
for
staff
and
we
were
identifying
staff
at
that
point.
The
second
round
of
universal
testing
for
the
inmates.
Another
court
ordered-
and
we
did
that.
So
we
are
testing
inmates,
as
dr
hertman
just
stated,
for
those
inmates
that
are
asymptomatic,
presenting
with
symptoms
for
self-reporting
and
once
we
identify
a
self-report
we're
going
to
test
that
inmate
and
we're
going
to
identify
whether
or
not
he
or
she
is
positive
and
place
them
in
isolation.
H
We
are
not
doing
ongoing
testing
for
the
entire
population
and
we
have
reported,
even
though
we're
reporting
the
information
in
aggregate.
This
information
and
the
numbers
have
been
reported
and
readily
available
in
the
department
of
public
health
website,
and
we
did
testify
to
that
effect.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
to
put
that
on
the
record
that
we
weren't
just
continuing
to
say
percentages,
but
the
actual
numbers
have
been
available
on
the
city's
public
health
website
and
under
the
prison.
J
There
it
sometimes
helps
to
have
you
be
able
to
articulate
them
as
opposed
to
tell
us
telling
us
that,
because
in
the
past,
when
we
last
spoke,
it
was
an
aggregate
number
and
the
prisons
hadn't
been
broken
out.
So
in
the
changeover
between
the
last
time
that
you
know
you
know
just
being
able
to
know
what
the
numbers
are
in
part,
because
you
know
that
this
hearing
is
largely
about.
J
J
J
It
doesn't
mean
that
they're
excused
from
it
or
can't
do
it
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
that
having
on-site
testing
available
can
make
all
the
difference
in
the
world
between
someone
getting
tested
and
not
getting
tested.
Is
the
decision
to
make
staff
testing
not
necessarily
available
a
department
decision
or
a
health
department
decision?
J
H
Our
decision
at
this
point
we
were
considering
whether
it
would
be
additional
testing
here
after
we
wanted
to
do
the
universal
testing
to
comply
with
the
order.
It
supported
what
we
had
reported
with
our
rates
of
infection,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
we
can
consider
again,
but
but
we're
it's
not
a
total.
J
Objection
to
it.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
underscore,
though,
that
you
know
the
school
district
of
philadelphia.
As
I
said
in
order
to
reopen
one
of
the
commitments
had
to
be
on
a
regular
testing
and
contact
tracing
commitment
and,
and
the
next
thing
which
I
want
to
spend
some
time
on
on
a
vaccination
commitment
too.
So
has
your
staff
been
what
percentage
of
your
staff
has
been
vaccinated?.
H
E
J
J
H
Well,
it's
still
voluntary
we're
offering
it
monday
through
saturday,
I
believe
for
the
staff
to
receive
the
vaccine.
It
is
not
mandatory
as
of
yet
so
we're
not
taking
that
into
account
that
staff
are
simply
refusing
it
is
available.
So
we
would
hope
that
we
would
be
able
to
complete
the
vaccination
by
july
by
july.
J
E
We
we
can
handle
the
anyone
that
comes
in
from
staff.
The
inmates
are
scheduled,
so
we
can
control
the
volume
we
should
be
done
offering
to
the
inmates.
At
the
end
of
this
month,
we
can
handle
the
staff
at
any
time
that
they're
ready
to
be
immunized.
I
should
point
out
that
around
the
country
inmates
are
more
likely
to
accept
vaccination
voluntarily
than
the
than
the
staff
in
in
most
jurisdictions
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me,
but
that
is
the
experience
so
far
and.
J
H
Do
have
a
schedule
councilwoman
kim
already
in
place.
That's
been
posted
on
our
closed
circuit
tv
system.
We
also
stood
up
mass
vaccination
days
to
do
mass
vaccinations
at
the
four
major
sites
we
were
open
and,
dr
herman,
you
can
give
us
the
our
range,
but
we
had
about
20
staff
per
day
that
took
advantage
of
the
vaccine
opportunity.
H
E
Place
12
hours
a
day
covering
so
we
we've
covered
the
three
shifts
because
we
are
starting
to
offer
the
johnson
and
johnson
vaccine
today.
In
addition
to
the
modern
vaccine,
we
distributed
extensive
descriptions
of
the
disease
and
vaccinations
and
how
they
compare
to
all
the
inmates,
then
to
all
of
the
officers
last
week
and-
and
we
started
this
morning-
I'm
hoping
that
more
people
will
agree
to
be
vaccinated,
because
this
single
dose
vaccine
is
available
right.
J
H
Yeah
we
discontinued
the
requirement
that
was
the
early
implementation,
because
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
control
for
the
numbers
and
have
the
appropriate
number
of
doses.
So
we
had
initially
started
with
the
scheduling
staff
simply
just
needs
to
walk
in
and
they
don't
have
to
leave
their
institution.
This
is
readily
available
at
the
four
major
institutions
that
information
has
been
shared
in
informational,
pamphlets
and
messaging.
H
From
me
on
our
closed
circuit
tv
system,
it's
also
read
at
roll
call,
and
so
the
staff
have
this
uniform
staff
are
required
to
stand
roll
call
every
day,
so
that
information
with
the
location
where
to
go,
how
to
get
it,
we're
trying
to
make
it
as
easily
as
possible
for
staff.
They
don't
have
to
stand
in
lines.
You
just
need
to
go
to
that
area
of
the
facility
to
receive
your
vaccine.
J
F
Chairwoman
good
good
afternoon,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
pulling
up
my
questions
right
now,
one
moment,
but
I
do
want
to.
While
I'm
pulling
up
my
questions,
I
do
want
to
thank
councilwoman
kim
for
her
line
of
questioning,
which
I
think
was
really
just
relevant
and
helpful
for
provide
making
sure
that
the
information
was
out
that
we
were
able
to
get
all
of
the
information
out
regarding
the
numbers,
because
the
devil
is
really
in
the
detail.
F
Having
the
level
of
detail
is
critically
important,
and
so
my
questions
are
going
to
go
further
into
specific
details
from
the
information
that
was
provided.
Like
I
said
we
didn't,
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
go
over
it
as
thoroughly
as
I
had
hoped,
but
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions
that
I
think
will
be
relevant
here
and
the
first
is
that
in
your
testimony
you
stated
that
staff
and
inmates
are
provided
with
cloth
mass.
Can
you
clarify
if
all
inmates
and
staff
are
provided
with
three
plymouths
or
something?
That's?
H
Yes,
so
councilwoman,
we
received
your
questions
on
march
3rd
and
then
we
submitted
our
responses,
so
the
staff
as
and
I
believe,
included
in
that
packet,
we
are
on
our
in
our
third
iteration
of
cloth
mass,
which
is
now
the
three-ply
mask.
We've
been
producing
them
for
the
past
four
months
and
they
are
available
the
staff.
We
are
exchanging.
Those
masks,
as
I
stated
if
they
become
unusable
or
damaged,
that
the
inmates
can
exchange
mass
every
wednesday
and
staff
have
access
to
those
masks
on
a
daily
basis.
F
Okay,
how
closely
have
you
been
working?
I
know
that
councilman
gem
asked
this
question
earlier.
How
closely
have
you
been
working
with
the
union
and
union
officials
to
ensure
that
that
the
proper
protocols
are
in
place
and
that
the
workers
on
site
are
receiving
the
proper
ppe?
And
you
know
that
that
they
are
in
sync
with
what
it
is
that
you
all
are
doing?
Everybody
is
in
sync.
H
F
H
Commissioner,
yes,
so
so
I
responded
we're
meeting
with
the
union
twice
a
week
and
we're
sharing
and
discussing
information
around
covet
19
in
our
strategies,
the
vaccine,
roll
out
the
protocols
and
we're
also
sharing
with
them
the
same
information
that
we're
disseminating
the
staff.
On
our
closed
circuit
tv
system.
F
Okay,
now,
since
you're
meeting
with
them
twice
a
week,
are
there
any
outstanding
issues
between
the
union
representation
and
the
administration
regarding
what
their
requests
are?
Their
concerns
are
what
the
need
is.
Are
there
any
outstanding
issues
or
requests
that
you
are
aware
of
that?
You
would
want
to
address
so
that
you
know
we
can
make
sure
everything
is
on
the
table
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
what
this
is
all
about.
It's
really
not
about
pointing
fingers
or
blaming
anyone,
but
really
getting
down
to.
F
H
I'm
responding
that
any
issue
that
is
presented,
we're
addressing
it
in
real
time,
there's
not
a
delay
in
that
information,
we're
sharing
information.
We
talked
about
everything
from
the
availability
of
ppe
hand,
sanitizer
dispensers
being
available,
the
mass,
the
commensurate
level
of
ppe,
the
lexicon,
the
plexiglass,
we're
sharing
this
information
in
real
time
on
a
bi-weekly
basis
and
the
reason
we
established
this
bi-weekly
meeting
is
that
we
could
stay
on
top
of
any
issues
and
address
it.
And
the
last
leg
of
this
race
was
the
vaccine.
H
F
A
D
D
D
H
H
So
we
we
did
announce
that
to
the
population
well
in
advance
that
it
would
be
effective
march
1st
that
it
would
revert
back
from
15
back
to
the
original
10
minutes.
However,
we
extended
it
by
another
week.
It
ran
through
the
week
of
march
8th
through
the
12th,
where
they
still
were
able
to
get
the
15
minutes.
That's
on
the
analog
phones,
but
we
also
provide
two
minute
15
minute
virtual
visits-
and
I
do
have
miss
deborah
snyder
on
here.
That's
my
contract
administrator
to
walk
us
through.
H
H
B
H
A
B
B
It
was
scheduled
to
end
march
first
if
the
vendor
gave
an
extra
couple
days
and
that
actually
did
not
even
end
till
march
8th.
So
all
inmates
receive
15
minutes
per
day
of
phone
time.
Now
the
confusion
sometime
is
is
the
video
time.
Video
time
is
30
minutes
of
video
time,
which
is
per
week
per
in
me
that
each
every
inmate
is
getting
30
minutes
per
week.
B
A
B
J
J
You
know
your
your
your
department's
rationale
for
not
offering
you
know,
on-spot
testing
again,
just
underscoring
the
importance
of
being
able
to
test
your
your
staff.
This
is
specifically
around
staff
testing
and
just
ask
that
you
know
there
should
there
needs
to
be
some
understanding
of
why
staff
are
not
being
offered
testing
as
a
regular
part
of
their
job.
The
second
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
is,
if
you
know
what
the
current
prisoner-to-staff
member
ratio
is
on
a
given
shift,
it's
not
like
aggregate,
but
in
a
shift.
H
H
So
without
jeopardizing
the
safety
and
security
of
giving
numbers
out
regarding
staffing,
councilman
gim,
we
are
looking
and
have
been
addressing
the
issue.
Ongoing
pre-pandemic
with
the
union
regarding
the
sick
leave
usage
and
the
city
has
a
sick
leave
benefit
that
protects
the
staff
from
lost
wages
due
to
illness
or
injury,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
implementing
this
benefit
appropriately
for
the
benefit,
the
full
benefit
of
the
workforce.
H
So
you
have
dedicated
men
and
women
who
are
reporting
to
work
daily,
but
anytime
you
have
an
increase
in
staff
leave
usage.
It
is
going
to
negatively
impact
operations,
so
we
would
be
happy
to
have
a
conversation
with
you,
but
we
certainly
do
not
want
to
be
in
a
position
to
give
numbers
across
the
facility,
because
that
can
potentially
jeopardize
the
safety
and
security
of
our
staff
that
are
present.
H
J
Something
that
you
have
a
conversation
with
our
our
committee
chairman
about
certainly
okay
back
to
that
similar
issue,
though
recognizing
that
that
may
be
the
case.
What
do
you
do
in
the
event
of
an
absence?
What
is
the
department's
policy
to
fill
that
vacancy
on
in
your
staff,
because,
as
you
said,
staff
safety
is
deeply
impacted
and
staff
members
cannot
be
put
in
dangerous
situations
and
the
complaints
that
we
are
getting
are
from
staff
members
who
have
been
hurt
on
the
job
because
of
low
staffing
levels.
H
H
H
J
I
think,
mr
chairman,
what
we
would
want
to
do
and
I'll
follow
up
with
you
as
well
and
with
with
your
team,
but
I
think
we
want
to
know
a
little
bit
about
attendance
and
then
we
want
to
know
what
the
fulfillment
of
a
vacancy
is
on
any
given
day.
We've
dealt
with
this
before
in
teaching,
we've
dealt
it
in
other
places,
but
it's
clearly
a
major
concern.
We
have
a
number
of
women,
you
know
in
our
department
of
corrections.
J
Of
course,
we
have
men,
it
doesn't
matter
who
it
is,
but
you
we
want
to
maintain
it,
and
I
also
want
to
just
underscore
that
some
of
this
is
inevitably
around
some
element
of
morale.
I
mean
this
is
also
really
important
for
us
to
be
able
to.
This
has
been
a
very
very
difficult
year
for
for
you,
commissioner,
and
for
your
for
your
team.
J
H
Because
we
do
have,
I
mean
hard-working
men
and
women
that
report
daily
and
they
give
it
their
all
right,
and
it
really
is
those
folks
who
showed
her.
You
know
the
responsibility
to
provide
coverage
even
when
we're
challenged.
So
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that,
and
the
staff
have
expressed
that
to
me
as
well
that
commissioner
we're
giving
it
all
that
we
have.
But
if
we
could
all
report
the
work
that
would
help.
J
My
last
question
is,
as
you
know,
one
of
the
major
reasons
for
our
concern
about
staff.
Full
staff
compliments
being
present
is
because
our
prison
population
has
increased,
so
it
went
from
4200
pre-pandemic,
it's
now
15
higher
at
47
4800.
That
is
a
very
big
concern.
When
was
the
last
time
the
population
was
reviewed
for
early
release.
That
you're
aware
of.
H
It's
it's
been
ongoing.
Since
the
onset
of
the
pandemic.
We
have
shared
that
information
with
the
defenders
association,
the
court
and
the
district
attorney
for
those
inmates
that
are
have
been
identified
as
vulnerable
populations
that
meet
the
criteria
to
be
released.
We
believe
we
circle
through
that
population
mid
to
early
way
in
the
pandemic.
H
J
H
H
Is
submitted
daily,
dr
hertman,
we
submit
that
information
through
dr
herman
that
goes
through
the
courts,
he's
our
liaison
to
share
that
medical
information,
because
the
medical
staff
are
vetting
that
list
and
identifying
the
criteria
so
we'll
if
he
doesn't
chime
back
in
we'll
get
you
that
list.
But
it's
been
ongoing,
weekly
and.
J
H
H
A
H
H
H
A
And
and
if
I
understood
and
I'm
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt,
remember
again,
but
to
my
recollection
in
your
testimony,
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
population
is
large
again
is
because
there's
been
a
stall
in
actual
court
hearings
over
at
the
court
and
not
and
I'm
not
trying
to
point
your
fingers.
I'm
just
remembering
what
you
said.
H
It's
the
court
proceedings
that
have
to
be
scheduled.
We
continue
to
work
with
the
courts
to
get
those
court
hearings
scheduled,
and
then
you
have
the
other
partners
that
would
need
to
be
prepared
to
present
the
case
or
defend
the
case,
and
that
would
be
the
district
attorney
or
the
defenders.
But
the
court
has
resumed
january
2021
and
we're
making
those
individuals
available
virtually.
A
J
H
J
I
mean
our
our
committee
chairman,
that
what
we
would
like
to
follow
up
with
you
is
concerns
that
we
have
grown
the
prison
population
by
almost
15
percent.
The
staffing
has
not
grown
concurrently,
so
we
have,
you
know
serious
concerns
about
safety
of
a
prison
of
our
corrections.
Officers
with
you,
compounded
with
you
know,
worries
about
sick.
You
know
people
not
only
being
sick
but
taking
care
of
other
people
who
are
sick.
You
know
our
numbers
are
extremely
high.
Still
there
were
673
cases
reported
over
the
weekend
alone.
J
I
visited
the
city
morgue
today
and
saw
plenty
of
serious
concerns
about
what's
happening.
So
you
know
the
the
concern
is
about
the
growth
in
the
population
if
there
are
2
000
names
on
a
list.
Mr
chairman,
who
pdp
has
recommended
for
early
release
and
given
the
fact
that
the
population
is
growing,
I
think
we
have
to
figure
out
another
conversation
yet
again
with
our
courts,
and
then
you
know
we
have
to
deal
with
the
safety
of
our
corrections
officers
right
now.
H
Yes,
if
I
can
respond,
also
that
the
district
attorney
and
the
defenders
must
petition
the
courts
for
from
those
lists
that
are
provided.
So
it's
not
strictly
on
the
courts.
They
have
to
petition
for
those
folks
to
be
considered
to
be
released,
and
then
the
court
would
decide-
and
I
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
conversation
as
well.
Regarding
the
the
staff
staffing
issues
as
well.
G
G
Just
a
small
question:
as
a
follow-up
from
the
last
hearing,
I
think
you
answered
part
of
it
with
council
member
kendrick
brooks
regarding
the
time
that
individuals
are
allowed
out
of
their
cells
right,
but
also,
what's
the
family
visitation
policy?
Has
it
increased
in
terms
of
you
know
doing
this
health
academic,
the
telephone
situation?
You
just
give
me
an
update
on
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
telephone
situation
as
well.
H
G
H
Well,
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
still
is
in
effect.
However,
again
it's
stated
just
shortly
that
if
there
are
leaves
of
usage,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
make
sure
that
the
entire
population
will
have
to
manage
how
they
come
out
and
still
align
with
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
ratio.
H
H
We
have
not
had
a
hiring
freeze
and
I'd
like
to
bring
folks
attention
back
to
prior
to
the
pandemic.
We
had
it
pretty
much
had
a
population
at
3
500..
We
did
not
go
on
board
staff
at
that
time,
because
the
population
was
trending
down,
we
were
not
in
a
pandemic
and
the
people
who
were
enrolled
in
the
drop
were
at
the
beginning
of
their
drop.
So
now
that
we
are
into
the
four
year
mark,
this
is
what
we're
experiencing
we're
experiencing
in
the
population.
H
H
I
believe
it
was
the
fifth
and
the
thirteenth
of
this,
and
then
we
will
start
the
process
all
over
again
to
identify
those
applicants
who
report
it
and
we'll
start
to
engage
and
see
if
they
meet
the
criteria,
one
for
them,
and
we
will
continue
our
hiring
process
now
that
we're
in
this
position.
I
think
the
biggest
misconception
is
that,
just
because
the
population
is
going
down
that
you
would
continue
to
hire
no
have
a
proof
number
of
staff
for
our
department,
as
the
population
was
at
3
500.
H
H
H
H
We
have
people
that
are
on
personal
leave
of
absence
medical
leave
of
absence.
We
extended
those
leads
in
a
in
a
systematic
way,
case-by-case
basis
still
maintaining
the
need
to
have
security
present
inside
the
facility,
so
we've
extended
all
of
those
benefits
and
opportunities
and
staff
without
the
pandemic.
G
Okay,
and
is
there
a
strategy
to
work
with
the
health
commissioner
and
the
administration
regarding
the
vaccination
of
inmates
as
we
go
forward,
I
know
they
don't
qualify
for
the
first
few
categories,
but
I
know
the
president
said
at
a
certain
time
period
in
may.
He
wants
people
from
18
on
up
to
be
eligible
to
be
vaccinated.
So
are
we
pre
thinking
a
strategy
regarding
making
sure
that
that
population,
because
I'm
pretty
sure
out
of
any
population
who's
not
receiving
advocacy
to
get
vaccinated,
is
probably
the
prison
population
across
the
board?
A
G
A
A
H
And
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
from
the
very
beginning,
I
advocated
that
we
split
our
doses
equally
for
the
inmate
population
and
the
staff
that's
been
from
the
inception
of
our
vaccination
protocol,
so
the
inmates
didn't
have
to
wait.
What
we
did
was
we
prioritized
the
most
vulnerable
inmates
first,
so
they
were
day
one
inmate
most
vulnerable
and
we
worked
our
way
to
expand
it
through
the
vaccination
program.
H
A
H
B
M
A
L
L
In
anticipation
of
the
start
of
the
premier
hearings
at
the
detention
center,
the
district
attorney's
office
has
created
a
virtual
witness
block
for
witnesses
to
testify
district
attorney's
office
with
all
the
appropriate
technology.
In
addition,
we've
set
up
transportation
for
witnesses,
created
a
security
screening
process
and
waiting
area
for
witnesses.
L
L
We
hope
that
both
courts,
the
guns,
preliminary
hearings
and
this
court,
as
well
as
our
other
serious
gun
cases
being
tried
and
in
other
courtrooms
in
the
in
the
cjc,
will
go
forward.
In
addition,
we've
been
working
throughout
the
pandemic
and
family
court
continuously
holding
hearings,
I'm
very
pleased
to
announce
that
those
hearings
have
resulted
in
reductions
in
the
population
at
the
philadelphia
juvenile
justice
services
center.
Last
week,
the
number
of
people
being
held
there
was
down
to
about
93.,
I
don't
know
the
population.
A
We're
going
to
hold
questions
until
the
entire
panel
gets
to
testify,
but
thank
you
and
thank
the
d.a
for
the
work
that
was
done
early
in
the
pandemic,
along
with
the
defender's
office,
along
with
the
courts
to
reduce
that
population,
those
numbers
could
have
been
far
worse.
Had
you
not
been
dedicated
to
reducing
the
census
on
state
road
who's?
Next,
thanks
miss
william.
N
Afternoon,
ms
gray,
good
afternoon,
councilman
jones
and
the
rest
of
council
members.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
having
this
hearing,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
information
is
either
non-transparent
or
not
available
to
many
of
us
even
working
within
the
system.
So
this
is
really
appreciative
not
only
on
behalf
of
myself
but
on
behalf
of
the
staff
at
the
defender
association.
N
Yes,
I
do
mean
lead
when
we
talk
about
the
efforts
early
on
and
the
petitions
filed.
The
defenders
have
filed
over
6
000
petitions,
not
only
for
defender
on
behalf
of
defender
clients,
but
on
behalf
of
the
private
bar
as
well.
We
continue
to
file
petitions
daily.
The
population
in
the
jail
has
shifted
most
of
the
members
in
the
jail
now
are
pretrial
and
not
sentenced.
N
N
While
there
are
processes
and
policies
that
are
in
place,
we
have
often
been
met
with
frustration,
because
these
policies
have
not
been
followed
and
really
have
jeopardized
the
safety
of
our
staff.
So
when
we
talk
about
our
staff
going
in
and
hearing
from
our
client
that
they
are
covet
positive
and
having
themselves
having
to
end
the
end,
the
interview
because
of
that
information,
the
frustration
on
behalf
of
my
staff
about-
why
would
we
be
putting
put
ourselves
in
these
positions?
N
Time
and
time
again
with
no
guarantee
of
safety,
has
been
constantly
questions.
It
has
been
hard
for
me
to
increase
the
morale
of
my
staff,
especially
knowing
that
many
of
the
stakeholder
groups
in
our
system,
judges,
probation,
sheriffs,
prison
guards
and
not
that
they
shouldn't
be
have
all
been
vaccinated
because
they
are
essential
workers
and
they
are
they
work
in
the
same
system.
However,
the
defense
counsels,
particularly
the
defender
association,
has
been
left
very
vulnerable.
We
have
not
been
classified
to
be
vaccinated,
although
we
go
into
the
prisons.
N
N
We
have
worked
on
strategies
to
reduce
the
prison
population.
We
have
provided
18
page
memos
with
different
strategies.
We
are
constantly
on
calls.
We
are
in
working
groups,
our
staff
has
the
technology.
Thank
you
to
city
council
to
not
only
get
these
petitions
done
expeditiously,
but
also
to
figure
out.
What's
actually
holding
people,
we
have
communications
with
our
clients
and
our
clients,
families.
We
work
with
the
communities
to
get
information
about
what
we
should
be
doing.
N
So
when
we
talk
about
people
leading
in
crisis,
please
understand
the
defender.
Association
has
been
that
I
am
not
pointing
the
finger
at
any
other
stakeholder.
I
am
just
finally
sticking
up
with
the
members
and
the
staff
of
the
defender
association,
who
has
been
working
from
day,
one
not
only
working
but
pushing
and
advancing
all
other
entities
in
assistance.
N
And
the
tough
choice
was
I
had
to
stop
our
participation
in
jury
trials.
Why
did
I
have
to
do
that?
Because
we
had
information
that
one
of
our
lawyers,
who
did
the
first
jury
trial
when
we
reopened,
was
put
in
harm's
way
when
there
was
a
potential
for
a
client
that
exposed
that
he
was.
He
was
I'm
sorry
that
he
came
into
contact
with
someone
who
was
covet
positive
and
was
allowed
to
be
with
her
for
three
days.
We
got
information
that
her
client
initially
got
information.
N
Her
client
was
positive
and
then
we
just
got
information
correcting
that
on
friday,
which
would
have
been
march
12th,
letting
us
know
that
that
information
that
we
received
initially
was
incorrect
and
that
the
person
was
not
covered
positive.
However,
our
staff
had
to
quarantine
during
that
whole
time
that
which
made
her
unavailable
for
far
more
for
other
assignments
that
she
was
assigned
to
and
she
was
assigned
to
doing
high-level,
shooting
cases
and
gun
court
cases,
and
we
could
not
use
her
for
those
things.
N
And
so
the
fact
that
we
are
still
here
asking
to
be
vaccinated
as
essential
workers
as
a
central
part
of
this
team,
baffles
me
that
we
still
cannot
get
evaluated
and
looked
at
as
people
who
are
running
risk
by
going
into
these
courts
going
into
the
prisons
going
into
several
different
congregate
care
settings
to
prepare
cases
so
that
cases
in
the
system
can
move
along.
My
staff
has
been
willing
to
work.
We've
all
been
working.
We
have
created
our
own
activity
sheets
so
that
we
know
what
activity
is
being
generated.
N
But
at
this
level
you
are
getting
the
frustrated
chief
defender,
because
we
have
done
everything
we
can
to
be
good
stewards
and
good
partners
and
good
leaders,
and
we
are
still
left
vulnerable
when
other
people
in
other
members
of
this
this
stakeholder
group
have
been
protected.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
having
this
hearing
and
honestly.
I
look
forward
to
any
questions
you
have
defender.
A
Gray,
I
know
personally
how
much
the
defenders
association
with
your
leadership
has
done
to
change
the
paradigm
of
justice
in
philadelphia.
So
it
comes
as
a
shock
to
me
on
that.
You
and
your
staff
haven't
been
considered
front
line,
essential
personnel
because
your
darn
sure
essential
to
the
dispense
dispensing
of
justice
in
this
city.
A
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
I
want
to
take
it
from
myself
personally
to
ask
why
that
is-
and
I
hope
to
be
able
to
get
an
answer
sometime
tomorrow,
because
we
periodically
leadership
of
council
is
meeting
with
the
administration
and
health
department
to
talk
about
these
kinds
of
issues,
and
I
will
pick
up
that
banner
and
raise
that
question
in
that
in
that
forum.
I
want
to
also
say
that
thursday
is
defenders
day,
and
that
does
not
see.
N
That
would
mean
a
lot
to
the
men
and
women
in
this
office,
councilman
that
have
been
working
hard
and
everyone
talks
about
how
we
have
reduced
the
prison
and
we've
done
this.
The
defenders
and
only
defenders
have
had
that
heavy
lift.
We
have
created
all
of
the
petitions,
we
have
generated
all
of
the
petitions,
and
so
when
people
talk
about
it
loosely
and
and
remember,
and
don't
remember
the
fact
that
we
are
the
most
devalued
in
this
system.
N
It
really
burns
me
up,
and
I
apologize
for
my-
I
guess
demeanor
in
this
hearing,
but
just
listening
to
this
is
really
unfortunate
because
we,
the
judges,
have
been
vaccinated.
Judges
are
enclosed
in
plexiglas,
we
are
standing
there
outside
with
our
clients
with
the
community,
and
we
cannot
get
at
least
the
consideration
of
being
vaccinated.
While
we,
while
we're
expected
to
go
in
and
do
more-
and
we
are
the
only
ones
only
lawyers
that
go
into
the
prisons.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
having
for
having
me
I'm
here
to
represent
the
men
the
hardest
working
men
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
the
correctional
staff
of
state
road,
and
I
just
wanted
to
start
off
by
saying
we.
The
reason
why
staffing
is
low
is
not
just
because
of
covet
or
people
being
scared
to
work
in
these
jails.
It's
because
when
the
men
and
women
come
to
work,
they'll
do
a
tour
of
duty
and
they
don't
even
get
paid
for
it.
It's
basically
modern
day
slavery.
K
K
When
I
say
recycling,
if
I
have
a
mask
and
it's
that
wednesday
and
the
mass
has
to
be
exchanged,
I'm
giving
that
it
made
a
mask
that
another
inmate
had
probably
four
or
five
days
prior
they're
not
issued
new
masks.
The
staff
is
an
issue
new
mask
now,
the
last
time
we
had
this
hearing
deputy
commissioner
buford
said
they
had
thousands
of
n95
masks,
but
that's
not
the
case.
K
K
We
myself,
I've
donated
almost
1200
mass
to
state
road
and
even
pjjsc,
and
the
administration
is
not
transparent
enough
to
understand.
What's
going
on,
people
are
running
away
from
this
job
they're
running
away
from
this
job,
because
they're
scared,
they're
scared
because
of
the
repercussions
the
people
that
come
to
work
are
the
ones
that
are
suffering.
You
have
people,
that's
what
medical
leave.
That's
getting
fired,
just
for
being
sick
and
being
threatened.
If
you
don't
come
back
on
this
date,
you
won't
have
a
job
to
come
back
to
these.
K
People
are
coveted,
sick
and
everything
else,
not
just
coveted
but
real,
serious
medical
issues,
and
these
are
hard-working
men
and
women.
That's
forgotten
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
they've
been
wanting
to
keep
us
quiet
for
years.
We
can't
fight
the
city
and
our
administration.
Our
hands
are
tired.
These
men
and
women
are
not
safe
the
locks.
We
have
lock
mechanisms
a
big
issue
on
state
road
people
don't
come
to
work
because
they're
working
by
their
self
every
day
every
day.
K
K
K
K
If
it's
my
day
off,
I
might
want
to
come
in.
If
you
call
me
or
if
I
say
hey,
can
I
come
in,
there's
been
a
hiring
freeze
as
far
as
overtime
in
certain
institutions,
where
we
can't
hire
a
certain
amount
of
people,
but
we're
not
opening
up
these
posts
and
people
are
working
short,
they're
working
alone,
so
yeah
they're
scared,
because
now
it's
a
it's
a
norm
for
officer
to
be
assaulted
and
nothing
happens,
absolutely
nothing.
K
I
haven't
seen
my
leadership
come
around
to
any
role
calls
just
to
say
officers.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
work,
we're
in
this
fight
together.
That
has
not
happened,
and
people
talk
and
they're
getting
frustrated
a
thousand
people,
I'm
just
throwing
it
up,
but
a
lot
of
employees
have
left
this
job.
This
is
a
career
job.
This
isn't
just
a
job.
This
is
a
career
people
put
their
kids
in
college,
brought
their
houses
and
paid
for
their
cars
with
this
job.
Now
is
more
so
just
a
job.
That's
how
frustrated
is
getting
nobody's.
K
I
blame
the
leadership
because
they
don't
care
and
it
shows
it
shows
that
test
that
mandatory
test
that
we
took
one
time
just
because
the
course
did
we
wouldn't
have
took
that
test
if
the
courts
didn't
say
so,
or
contract
tracing
they're,
not
doing
proper
contract
trades
and
that's
proof
if
I
can
sit
in
an
interview
room
with
a
lieutenant
and
then
two
days
later,
oh,
that
person
might
have
tested
positive.
I'm
not
getting
the
call
say,
listen,
I
know
you
were
in
the
interview.
K
I
can
I
contracted
covey
myself
in
april
of
last
year
and
wasn't
ready
to
come
back,
but
I
was
getting
a
phone
call.
You
have
to
come
back.
People
are
returning
to
work,
but
still
showing
symptoms,
that's
not
safe.
You
can't
stop
something
unless
you
start
somewhere
and
my
thing,
if
you're
recycling
masks
you're
watching
them
over
and
over
and
over
again,
that
thread
cloud
is
going
down.
K
K
Nobody
talks
about
the
correctional
officers
on
state
road,
even
the
men
and
women
of
pj
jsc,
the
juvenile
justice
service
center.
They
don't
talk
about
them,
either
they're
going
through
the
same
issues
and
it's
being
ignored
by
the
administration,
so
is
morale
down.
Yes,
morale
is
down
it's
dangerously
low
and,
like
I
say
it's
modern
day
slavery
if
you're
working
and
you're
not
getting
paid
and
if
they
find
a
glitch.
Oh
we'll
see
you
next
check,
but
then
they
forget
about
a
debt
check.
K
It's
the
same
routine.
Over
and
over
and
over
again
no
answers
and
people
are
getting
sick
and
tired,
sick
and
tired.
If
you're
working
a
unit
and
the
locks
aren't
getting
fixed,
the
lock's
been
addressed
for
years
and
it's
still
not
being
addressed,
but
the
officers
are
being
blamed
for
it.
If
you
go
to
your
administrator
and
say
listen,
these
images
are
popping
out
so
easy.
I
can
show
you.
K
It's
not
safe.
The
prisons
are
not
safe
when
you're
working
alone.
Now
you
got
frustrated
inmates
because
they're
not
getting
the
time
out
that
they're
supposed
to
get
because
we're
short
staffed
and
when
that
door
finally
opens
that
inmate's
not
going
back
in.
He
wants
to
fight
because
his
frustration
led
him
to
that
point.
K
K
K
What's
the
good
of
an
employee
coming
back,
that's
not
fully
functional
and
healthy
enough
to
work
a
unit
because
they
know
that
they're
coming
to
work
the
unit
alone
by
themselves,
but,
like
I
said
you
have
people,
that's
ready
to
work.
If
it's
my
second
day
off,
call
me
in
I'll
come
to
work,
but
they
worry
about
their
budget.
It's
our
blood,
but
their
budget.
K
And
it's
getting
worse
and
god
forbid,
a
delaware
incident
happens.
That's
when
the
problem
will
be
solved
for
something
tragic
to
happen.
We
lost
two
officers
officer,
alex
robinson
and
sergeant
price.
Just
recently,
30
years
of
service
asked.
Is
anybody
in
the
mission
even
speak
at
us
at
a
service.
K
A
B
I
I
I
On
july
26
of
2020
we
had
a
correctional
officer
that
was
murdered
coming
home
from
work
in
his
doorway.
No
one
said
absolutely
nothing
about
it.
No
media
coverage,
no
one
came
and
spoke
at
his
funeral.
Nothing
we
asked.
Can
we
live
outside
of
the
city,
because
these
people,
who
eventually
get
out
everybody's,
saying
yeah,
let
them
out
which
I'm
all
for
but
we're
they're
coming
home?
We
live
in
these
same
neighborhoods.
So
now,
not
only
do
we
have
to
watch
our
backs
on
duty,
we
have
to
watch
our
bags
off
dude.
I
Also,
we
had
an
officer
who
was
stabbed
february
2021
just
last
month,
who
was
forced
to
come
back
to
work,
because
his
reward
for
his
service
and
being
stabbed
would
receive
70
of
his
pay,
because
when
your
I
o,
you
can't
even
get
100
of
your
pay.
So
now,
not
only
does
someone
try
to
take
his
life
now
he
has
to
fight
to
pay
his
bills
for
reporting
for
a
state,
correctional
officers
and
everyone
else.
The
police,
the
fire
department,
has
the
lung
act,
which
will
give
you
100.
I
Excuse
me
the
heart
and
lung
a
which
would
give
you
100
iod.
If
something
happened
to
you,
we
were
denied
that
I
want
to
speak
one
when
it
comes
to
covet
with
correctional
sergeant
price,
who
we
just
buried
friday,
like
sergeant
roberts
to
say,
sergeant
price
had
over
30
years
in
the
system,
he
was
a
navy
vet.
He
dedicated
his
life
to
the
city.
He
contracted
covert,
doing
the
job
that
he
loved.
He
was
60
years
old.
Other
city
departments
get
to
retire
at
55.
I
His
reward
for
working
past
everyone
else's
retirement
age
and
doing
his
due
diligence
was
to
have
the
honor
guard
at
his
funeral.
No
mayor,
no
news
coverage,
we
sit
and
we
watch
every
day
how
everyone
else
is
recognized
for
their
service.
The
police,
the
fire
city,
council,
nothing's,
never
said
about
corrections.
I
I
It's
insane
that
if
I'm
mandated
to
stay
because,
as
they
said,
we're
drafted,
which
is
called,
which
means
you
have
to
work
beyond
your
shift
if
the
staff
is
short,
if
I'm
working
beyond
my
shift
five
days
straight
and
on
the
sixth
day,
I
report
the
work
10
minutes
late,
I'm
getting
a
write-up
for
being
late
for
roll
call.
No
thank
you
for
making
it
here.
I
No
thank
you
for
leaving
your
family
and
coming
here
to
help
us
we're
rewarded
with
discipline,
to
see
your
coworker
taken
out
on
the
stretcher
and
nothing's
being
done
about
it.
That's
why
the
morale
is
down,
they
have
to
be
for
us.
We
we
signed
up
for
service.
We
know
our
services,
we
provide
services
every
day,
but
we
are
still
human
beings
and
no
one's
addressing
it.
I
I
I
know
personally,
who
took
the
vaccine
which
nobody's
talking
about
is
the
side
effects
from
the
vaccine,
but
a
lot
of
people
are
getting
side
effects
or
getting
sick
for
a
few
days
or
whatever,
and
instead
of
being
considered
iod,
because
you
got
to
shop
for
your
job,
you're
forced
to
use
your
own
sick
time.
So
that's
why
people
are
all
sick.
What
people
don't
know
is
a
lot
of
people.
I
I
was
lucky
enough
by
the
grace
of
god
to
not
have
contracted
kobe,
but
as
of
december
30,
2020
to
two
weeks,
colbert
time
that
the
staff
was
allotted
expired,
the
covenant
is
still
going
on.
So
if
I
was
to
contract
covert
right
now,
I
would
be
forced
to
use
my
own
personal,
sick
time
and
god
forbid,
if
I
don't
have
any
I'm
coming
to
work,
because
I
can't
afford
to
lose
my
job.
I
A
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
point
of
information,
member
kim.
Thank
you
very
much.
You
know.
One
thing
that
I
would
be
curious
about
is
whether
the
committee
could
be
informed
anytime.
There
is
an
an
assault
on
you
know
if
we
can
be
made
aware
of
assaults
on
corrections,
officer
staff,
because
I
don't
think
that
we
were
made
aware
of
certainly
not
not.
J
There
wasn't
a
clarity
that
there
was
a
death
as
a
result
of
an
assault,
and
I
think
that's
important
for
this
committee
to
be
aware
of
immediately
as
soon
as
it's
you
know.
As
soon
as
it's
been
made
up
available
to
the
you
know,
to
the
family
and,
of
course,
immediate
members,
but
it
feels
not
right
that
we
would
not
have
known
about
that
and
that
we
should
be
tracking
assaults
against
staff,
and
you
know
as
soon
as
they
happen.
A
M
M
This
is
a
road
that
has
been
traveled
over
and
over
again
to
the
point
where
the
road
itself
is
being
worn
out.
I
think
it's
very
appalling
that
a
committee
such
as
city
council,
one
of
the
highest
committees
within
the
city
itself,
would
have
to
listen
to
stories
of
dread
from
representatives
like
myself
and
subordinate
representatives,
supervisors
and
officers
within
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons,
for
you
to
determine
at
this
time.
That
is
this:
it's
a
necessity
to
bring
attention
to
or
give
attention
to,
the
men
and
women
of
the
philosophy
department
of
prisons.
M
We
all
have
something
in
common
all
of
us
on
this
panel
today
we
have
something
in
common
every
day
you
leave
your
home,
you
see
the
same
thing,
you
see
a
police
officer,
you
see
a
firefighter
and
you
see
a
sheriff
deputy,
whether
you
come
in
direct
contact
or
indirect
contact.
These
are
three
major
individuals
of
employment
within
the
city
of
philadelphia
that
are
given
the
attention
that
correctional
officers
are
not
given.
M
They
are
considered
and
named
as
first
responders
they're,
giving
attention
to
to
the
extent
where
they
can
go
into
supermarkets
and
get
discounts
to
go
to
wawa's
or
neighborhood
stores
and
be
giving
discounts
on
on
on
food
and
other
groceries
or
just
a
cup
of
coffee
and
be
told.
Thank
you
for
your
your
service
to
the
city.
M
As
long
as
there
is
a
black
cloud
and
veil
that
covers
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons,
correctional
officers
of
the
philippine
department
of
prisons
will
never
get
the
recognition
that
they
deserve.
I've
been
a
correction
officer
for
over
30
years
with
this
city,
some
of
my
mentors
have
passed.
Some
are
still
living,
but
mentoring
me
into
the
person.
M
I
am
today
more
specifically
since
1996,
a
representative
of
local
159,
where
I
wanted
to
do
something
to
help
my
co-workers
and
those
dread
circumstances
that
exist
then
and
exist
now,
as
business
agent
for
local
159,
part
of
my
daily
routine
is
spent
drafting
unfair
labor
practices
against
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons.
We
have
we
have
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
we
have
countless
arbitration
awards
in
place
that
are
constantly
being
violated
by
the
department's
administration.
M
M
After
getting
the
detailed
information,
I
contacted
the
deputy
warden
of
that
facility
and
he
told
me
that,
well,
I'm
sorry,
mr
hill,
that
it
happened.
But
you
know
what
do
you
want
us
to
do?
And
I
told
him
I
said
you
and
the
warden
need
to
stand
up.
Why
did
you
let
this
happen?
He
already
have
an
officer
on
a
housing
unit
with
over
100
inmates,
and
we
have
an
arbitration
rate
arbitration
award
of
inmate
to
staff
ratio
at
this
particular
jail
piccc.
M
M
We
have
officers
that
are
passing
out
on
the
housing
units
because
the
inmates
are
using
narcotics
that
get
into
the
atmosphere.
It's
not
called
it.
It's
the
narcotics
as
well,
and
those
officers
are
not
giving
medical
attention
or
recognition
that
they
deserve
as
lieutenant
chiefs.
As
sergeant
robinson
said,
once
you've
exhausted
your
time,
you
have
no
other
choice
but
to
be
put
on
without
lead
pay,
I
mean
without
pay
or
go
on
leave
without
pay,
and
that's
that's
a
shame.
M
Why
does
why
don't
correction
officers
of
the
philippine
department
of
prisons?
Why
has
this
not
been
any
legislation
by
the
city,
council
or
the
mayor's
office?
Do
I
n,
throughout
any
contractual
negotiations,
to
give
what
the
firefighters
and
the
police
officers
and
the
sheriffs
have
the
heart
and
lung
act?
They
get
60
days
of
covet
whether
they
contracted
a
guard
to
quarantine
for
as
many
times
as
they
contracted
and
as
many
times
as
they
go
into
quarantine,
and
it's
pay
time.
100
iod
time
for
correction
officer
gets
hurt
or
injured.
M
We
go
out
at
75
percent
of
their
of
our
pay.
Now
I
put
the
question
to
you:
can
any
of
you
live
on
75
of
your
pay,
or
would
you
live
175?
Would
you
even
take
that
test
to
take?
Have
75
of
your
pay
given
to
you,
as
opposed
to
100,
to
have
your
your
health
and
welfare
coverage
limited
towards
14
days?
Would
you
really
do
that
and
we've
asked
you
several
times
collectively
and
individually?
M
Take
that
challenge
come
into
the
walls
that
correction
officers
go
into
every
single
day
without
the
knowledge
of,
if
they're
going
to
come
out
the
same
way
they
entered
or
if
they're
going
to
come
out
at
all
or
what
time
are
they
going
to
come
out?
There's
mandates
of
overtime
in
1979
the
ed
hour,
tour
of
a
correction
officer
for
overtime
was
abolished
and
reduced
to
four
hours.
M
Then
there
was
legislation
of
arbitration
enacted
in
the
80s
and
the
90s
that
determined
that,
yes,
you
can
keep
a
correction
officer
for
four
hours
provided
or
more
for
over
four
hours,
provided
you
try
to
find
a
relief
for
them
and
that's
not
happening
either.
They
are
recycling
correctional
officers
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
again,
another
arbitration
aspect
has
been
violated
since
2018.
M
You
all
know
it
because
commissioner
carney
is
not
doing
it
on
her
own.
She
didn't
close
their
council
correction
on
her
own.
She
didn't
close
the
cannery
on
her
own.
She
didn't
she
didn't
reduce
the
the
the
inmate
population
within
the
detention
center
on
her
own.
She
had
to
have
help
to
do
that
and
that
help
comes
from
you.
It
comes
from
the
mayor's
office.
M
She
didn't
do
nothing
on
her
own,
but
you're
sitting
here.
Looking
at
us
and
you're
saying
we
want
to
hear
your
concerns.
We
want
to
hear
your
problems
and
yes,
we're
going
to
take
you
up
on
that
and
not
no
one
has
done
anything.
But
yet,
and
still
these
men
and
women
of
the
fluffy
department
of
prisons.
M
They
don't
have
a
choice
like
you
have
to
address
something
when
you
feel
like
it,
they
don't
have
a
choice
to
go
to
work
when
they
feel
like
it,
because
even
when
they're,
sick
and
and
and
downtrodden,
they
have
to
push
themselves
every
single
day,
because
they
don't
have
time.
They
don't
have
any
money.
If
they
don't
have
any
money,
they
can't
financially
sustain
themselves
and
their
family.
M
And
it's
a
damn.
Shame
that
when,
when
before
kova
hit
the
city
in
march
of
2020,
I
advocated
to
the
commissioner
and
the
other
six
departments
that
my
office
represents
throughout
this
city.
Who
are
contingency
plan
and
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons
was
the
only
pushback
and
it
was
the
response
was
unless
the
officer
works
in
the
receiver
room
or
they
work
on
an
m-a-n-t
block.
It
wasn't
necessary
for
personal
protection
equipment
and
when
it
hit
the
philippine
apartment
bridges
like
a
sledgehammer,
it
took
our
people
down,
it
took
them
down,
some
have
never
recovered.
M
Some
were
forced
out
on
regulation,
17
or
regulation
32
and
by
definition
you
all
know
what
that
means.
So
I
don't
have
to
go
into
the
details
of
what
17-32
references
and
the
commissioner
says:
oh
well,
the
officers
aren't
coming
to
work.
Well,
here's
something
for
you!
Just
this
past
friday,
I
was
cornered
into
a
meeting
of
an
unknown
agenda
with
the
mayor's
office
of
representatives
of
the
mayor's
office
of
labor
relations
and
the
commissioner's
office,
and
during
that
session
of
that
argument,
the
the
mayor's
office
had
the
nerve
to
say.
Well.
M
M
Again,
all
of
you
know,
by
definition,
what
outsourcing
is
you
know
it's
illegal
in
a
workforce
where
you
have
public
employees
that
are
represented
by
a
bargaining
unit
such
as
local
159,
that
it
is
illegal
to
even
think
that
you're
going
to
union
bust
but
to
say
that
and
think
that
I'm
not
going
to
rebuttal
it
back
or
to
defend
the
men
and
women
of
the
prison
system.
You're.
Out
of
your
mind,
I
don't
care
what
the
mayor
thinks.
M
I
don't
care
what
rich
lazarus
thinks
as
long
as
I'm
the
business
agent,
I'm
going
to
stand
firmly
just
for
our
correctional
officers.
So
again
I
bring
that
challenge
to
you.
Stop
saying
what
you're
going
to
do
and
let's
just
do
it
I'm
available
anytime.
You
want
me
to
be
available.
I
can
change
my
schedule
anytime,
that's
necessary
to
change.
I
can
postpone
things
that
have
been
mandated
every
day
of
the
week
for
me.
M
M
Everything
is
in
place,
catch
it
off,
guard
catch,
it
off
guard
and
put
yourself
in
the
uniform
of
a
correction
officer,
whether
you
are
a
man
or
a
woman,
put
yourself
into
a
first
unrecognized
first
responder
and
see
how
you
like
it
when
you're
forced
to
be
held
against
your
will
and
a
job
that
you
want
to
do
that.
You
need
to
do
that.
You
asked
to
do,
but
that
job
doesn't
respect
you
back.
M
So
again
you
can
have
all
the
questions
you
want,
but
until
you,
until
you
yourselves,
start
taking
action
on
our
behalf,
it's
going
to
get
worse
and
the
first
time
a
correctional
officer
strikes
back
and
in
any
category
as
it
concerns
that
job.
What's
going
to
happen,
they're
going
to
be
brought
up
on
charges,
they're
going
to
be
prosecuted,
but
how
much
can
a
person
take
before
it
gets
to
that
point?
M
So,
let's
prevent
it
from
getting
to
that
point.
Okay,
be
the
city
council
that
we,
the
citizens,
voted
for
you
and
put
you
in
office
to
be
be
that
that
mouthpiece
for
the
citizens
that
can't
speak
for
yourself
as
I'm
the
business
agent
for
local
159,
who
can
speak
for
themselves.
But
they
speak
through
me.
M
M
One
day,
this
city
will
recognize
the
phillips
department
of
prisons
correctional
officers
as
primary
first
responders,
because
when
you
take
the
dread
out
of
the
city,
when
the
police
start
rounding
them
up
when
everybody's
captured
and
everybody's
uncuffed,
who
has
to
take
care
of
them
every
single
day
of
their
lives.
As
long
as
they're
mandated
to
the
full
department
of
prisons,
the
men
and
women
of
the
philadelphia
department
of
prisons,
that's
who
and
they
need
to
be
respected.
And
if
they're
going
to
be
respected.
A
Thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
the
way
you
fight
for
your
members
and
I'mma
be
there,
and
I
welcome
my
fellow
committee
members
on
public
safety
to
be
there
with
me,
but
I'm
an
independent
elected
official.
I
will
be
there
and
I
will
go
through
your
office
to
set
it
up
so
that
it's
unpredictable
all
right,
fair.
F
A
H
H
I
know
there's
an
election
coming
up
for
the
union
on
the
17th
and
I
believe
that
I
was
testifying
regarding
kovid
and
I
know
there's
intermingled
with
some
collective
bargaining
agreement
language,
but
in
the
due
diligence
of
the
meeting
that
you
will
schedule,
we
will
be
in
a
position
to
present
to
you
the
utilization
of
hard
earned
city
tax
dollars
and
how
we're
managing
the
prisons.
We
certainly
want
everyone
to
be
safe.
A
So
again,
this
won't
be
my
first
time
up
on
state
road
we've
been
in
each
and
every
one
of
the
prisons
that
were
open
and
it's
the
kind
of
thing
where
you
have
to
repetitively
come
back
and
check
on
on
things
from
time
to
time.
So
I
look
forward
to
taking
that
tour
again
and
look
forward
to
bringing
my
colleagues
with
me.
I
don't
miss
a
a
graduate.
Well
when
asked
to
speak.
A
You
know
I
always
come
to
the
graduations
and
and
thank
those
people
who
have
chosen
that
former
service.
Why?
Because,
sometimes
when
families
fail
when
school
systems
fail,
when
even
religious
institutions
fail
individuals,
it
is
you
guys
who
stand
to
try
to
make
an
attempt
to
correct
people's
behavior
to
keep
us
all
safe.
So
if
nobody
else
says,
thank
you,
I'm
saying
thank
you
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
in
a
more
meaningful
way
by
paying
paying
attention.
J
B
J
Want
you
to
know
that
you
are
recognized
by
this
body,
you
are
definitely
heard
by
this
body
and
we
will
do
better
to
show
you
that
we
respect
what
you
testified
about
and
I
will
be
glad
to
join
my
council
colleagues
on
that
visit.
You
know
and
to
listen
a
little
bit
better
than
we
did
before
and
again
you
know
you're
our
team,
so
you're
our
city
workers
and
you
know
you're
you're,
the
ones
going
out
there.
J
You
wear
city,
bat,
you
know
the
city
badge
and
we
should
do
it
in
a
way
that
makes
it
feel
like
it's
honorable
and
we're
just
gonna
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
better.
I
think
it's
why
I
wanna
make
sure
that,
in
collaboration
with
our
committee
members
and
our
our
committee
chair,
we'll
try
to
talk
about
what's
been
happening,
I
do
want
to
know
about.
J
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
that
we,
you
know
that
I
had
and-
and
I
do
have
a
lot
of-
I
actually
have
a
lot
of
follow-up,
but
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
also
help
with
the
council
chair
whether
you
know
at
some
point:
there's
a
union
dialogue,
a
labor
dialogue
and
as
we
sit
down
with
the
commissioner,
you
know
we'll
try
to
figure
out
ways
to
manage
that.
But
I
did
want
to
go
back
to
mr,
mr
listen
actually
and
then
I
I
might
have
a
few
other
questions.
J
If,
if
other
council
members
don't
yep,
thank
you
so
to
mr
listenb,
you
know
one
of
the
you
know.
I
was
glad
to
hear
that
the
district
attorney's
office
had
done
away
with
the
practice
and
had
announced
doing
away
with
the
practice
of
what's
called
coercive
wreath
lights.
So
that
means
requiring
juveniles
to
plead
to
you
know
like
going
into
placement.
J
J
L
Councilman
gim
the
ga
announced
that
there
is
a
practice
of
sending
almost
all,
but
not
all
children
back
to
the
detention
center
back
to
juvenile
justice.
With
you
know,
conditions
attached.
There
are
some
cases
where
the
option
is
to
keep
them
in
the
adult
system
or
to
send
them
back
to
the
juvenile
justice
system.
With
some
conditions,
there
are
some
cases
and
the
d.a
actually
quoted
statistics.
L
That
said
that,
in
a
two-year
practice,
there
have
been
six
cases
that
were
kept
in
the
adult
system
and
still
some
cases
sent
back
to
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
another
year
there
were
seven
cases.
Those
were
his
specific
quotes.
What
I've
done
to
try
and
address
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
various
stakeholders
in
the
juvenile
justice
community
is
to
review
those
cases
myself,
and
so,
as
of
the
last
two
weeks,
I've
been
taking
a
close
look
at
each
and
every
case.
E
L
The
old
practice
the
case
would
have
been
certified
to
the
adult
system
because
of
extreme
violence
involved.
In
some
of
those
cases,
I've
authorized
the
attorneys
doing
those
handling
those
cases
to
provide
some
split
decisions
where
young
people
are
sent
back
to
the
juvenile
justice
system
with
conditions.
Some
of
the
cases
involve
such
extreme
violence,
shootings,
severe
injuries
where,
in
order
to
be
able
to
be
in
the
juvenile
justice
system,
there
has
to
be
a
condition.
J
L
But
the
choice
councilwoman
is
whether
they're
going
to
stay
in
the
adult
system
and
the
d.a
actually
quoted
statistics
saying
that
there
were
a
limited
number
of
cases
in
2019
and
2020.
I'm
sorry,
2018
2019,
where
young
people
had
remained
in
the
adult
system
for
the
most
part
councilwoman.
Those
are
cases
involving
homicides
or
attempted
murders,
and
you
know
in
some
of
those
cases,
even
the
decisions
being
made
to
try
and
send
them
back
to
the
juvenile
justice
system
with
some
conditions.
Otherwise
they
would
have
to
stay
in
the
adult
system.
L
L
L
L
J
You
know,
there's
a
clear
movement
that
pennsylvania
needs
to
end
direct
file
and
that
the
district
attorney
should
be
a
supporter
of
that,
but
that
there
are
clearly
cases
where
you
can
absolutely
petition
to
move
a
case
into
adult
court.
It
seems
you
know,
out
of
the
ordinary,
to
have
to
remove
so
many
young
people
as
a
matter
of
practice.
J
L
The
questions
can
be
sent
to
me
and
and
councilwoman.
I
would
say,
I've
not
only
supported
the
use
of
adolescent
development
throughout
this
nation
as
a
one
of
the
the
the
cardinal
rules
and
cardinal
principles
for
evaluating
young
people.
I've
not
only
supported
understanding,
trauma
and
trauma-informed
care
for
children,
who've
been
exposed
to
violence
and
who
are
engaged
in
violence.
I've
done
that
from
one
end
of
this
country
to
another
in
multiple
states
and
written
about
it
in
in
various
for
various
task
forces,
including
the
attorney
general's
task.
J
I
understand
mr
listen,
I'm
not
I'm
not
disparaging
any
of
your
credentials.
My
my
comment
was
about
a
press
release
and
a
directive
from
the
dao's
office
and
your
acknowledgement
that
there
have
been
other
cases
that
that
don't
mesh
with
that
dao
press
release.
So
this
is
nothing
to
do
with
your
with
your
credentials.
J
We
respect
the
significant
you
know,
expertise
that
you
bring
in.
I
know
you
have
federal
experience
on
this.
We
have
worked
together.
It's
why
you
were
part
of
my
youth
residential
placement
task
force.
I
was
just
trying
to
get
clarity
and
I
do
appreciate
the
response
to
sergeant
robinson
because
you
brought
up
jjsc.
J
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
we're
continuing
to
track
it,
and
I
do
appreciate
your
mentioning
jjsc
and
the
importance
of
us
paying
attention
to
the
conditions
that
are
there.
These
are
young
people
and
I
I
really
do
want
to
just
underscore
how
much
I
appreciate
your
notice
that
the
corrections
officers
are
there,
and
so
we
need
to
be
paying
attention
to
that.
So,
thank
you.
Yes,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
mr
chairman.
Those
are
all
my
questions
for
right
now,.
K
There
was
a
shift
change
that
she
implemented
to,
whereas
though
she
took
73
officers
and
forced
them
to
311
so
now,
7-3
is
working
with
a
skeleton
crew,
so
most
of
the
bodies
most
of
the
officers
are
on
3-11
I'll.
Take
you
I
take
you.
I
want
you
to
choose
what
time
you
come
up.
I
don't
want
nobody
to
dictate
what
time
you
come
up.
I
would
like
for
you
to
choose
your
time,
but
I
just
want
to
let
you
know:
7-3
is
working
with
a
skeleton
crew.
That's
all
across
state
road,
especially
at
cfcf.
K
B
H
H
H
Shift
but
if
we're
going
to
be
fully
transparent,
I
challenge
you
and
I've
done
it
myself
and
you
can
break
it
up.
You
can
come
on
seven
7-3,
3-11
or
11-7.
That's
where
you'll
get
the
full
operations
and
scope
of
the
operations.
It
was
in
no
way
to
cite,
but
I
really
chose
and
recommended
that,
so
you
could
see
the
increased
leave
usage
on
that
shift
and
as
we
will
meet
we'll
present
the
information
again
reiterating.
I
believe
this
to
be
about
covet
19..
H
I
do
believe
this
is
a
concerted
effort.
There
is
an
election
on
the
17th
and
to
get
all
these
collective
bargaining
issues
on
the
table,
for
which
there's
a
process
in
place
and
there's
a
grievance
process
in
place,
and
so,
if
we're
being
fully
transparent,
that
is
on
the
17th,
there
was
a
number
of
issues
co-mingled
with
covet
19
and
then
hopefully
we're
coming
back
to
cope
at
19..
We're,
certainly
in
a
position
to
show
you
how
the
city's
hard-earned
tax
dollars
are
utilized.
A
Let
all
of
you
know
from
the
commissioner
to
the
rank
of
file
to
the
eminence
that
you're
not
forgotten,
and
we
didn't
forget
about
it
in
the
beginning
of
covet.
That
was
one
of
the
hearings
and
issues
we
raise
right
at
the
height
of
the
of
the
pandemic
and
we're
going
to
continue
now
that
we're
coming
out
the
other
side.
A
What
what
what
kova
had
did
was
just
unbefore
things
that
need
that
kind
of
attention,
because
we
don't
have
the
type
of
resources
that
are
needed.
That's
all
it
did,
and
so
we're
going
to
get
through
this
together
and
we're
gonna
figure
it
out
together,
and
I
understand
the
passion
that
that
people
have,
particularly
when
they're
representing
their
membership.
M
Right
this
is
agent
hill.
Can
I
raise
a
point
of
interest?
Please
agent
hill
go
ahead,
please!
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
have
no
idea
what
the
significance
that
commissioner
carney
keeps
repeating
in
reference
to
march
17th.
Yes,
that
is
a
date
of
the
local
159
executive
office
and
shop
stores
elections.
It
has
no
significance
in
this
matter.
M
The
issues
that
are
being
raised
today
again
to
this
council's
attention
are
issues
that
have
been
raised
before
last
year
at
the
latter
part
of
last
year.
These
are
the
same
issues
that
I
have
raised
and
my
delegates
and
shop
stores
and
executive
award
have
raised
periodically
since
the
onset
of
as
early
as
2018.
M
So
there
is
no
significance
to
march
17th
in
my
opinion-
and
it's
my
just
my
opinion.
Okay,
I'm
not
putting
words
in
anyone's
mouth,
but
unless
commissioner
carney
is
making
continuous
reference
to
march
17th
because
she
may
have
preferential
candidates
that
she
wishes
to
win
office
so
that
she
can
dictate
his
puppets
as
of
the
union.
I
don't
see
any
relation
to
that.
A
M
I
understand,
but
she's
still
trying
to
impose
her
will
as
commissioner.
This
is
a
union-related
issue.
We
brought
this
to
your
attention.
No
one
came
looking
for
us.
We
brought
it
to
your
attention
and
she's
purposely
trying
to
put
her
foot
in
the
door
to
keep
it
from
closing
on
her,
because
she's
trying
to
again
dictate
how
you
circumvent
yourself
through
the
prison
system
on
behalf
of
the
union,
all.
A
F
J
Let
us
know
be
better
informed
and
hear
some
of
the
specifics,
and
I
you
know
I
want
you
to
know
that
my
main
concern
is
after
a
one
of
your
members,
is
stabbed
and
seriously
injured
and
and
others
we
we
have
to
kick
into
action
like
this
is
not
acceptable.
So
we
have
to
understand.
This
is
about
the
safety
of
your
members.
That's
why
we
we
have.
You
know
this
is
an
urgent
issue.
That's
why
we're
here.
J
That's
why
we're
listening
and
we
have
to
do
better,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
anything
about.
I
don't
actually
know
anything
about
any
election,
so
whether
or
not
anything
is
happening.
My
interest
is,
after
a
severe
assault,
an
injury
on
one
of
our
own
people
on
our
on
our
city
workforce.
We
we
have
to
all
pull
together,
and
this
is
extremely
important
for
the
safety
of
the
officers
for
the
safety
of
the
inmates
and
for
the
reputation
of
pdp.
L
I
You
first
of
all
again
I'd
just
like
to
thank
everybody
for
their
time
for
listening
to
our
concerns,
but
I
also
extend
the
invitation
to
not
only
visit
the
pdp
camps.
If
you
can,
please
visit
the
pjjsc
staff
as
well,
because
there
are
saucers
up
as
well
and
they're
not
even
allowed
to
carry
pepper
sprays,
so
they're
another
secret,
that
no
one
really
knows
anything
about,
and
these
issues
were
brought
up
again,
because
this
is
a
public
safety
hearing
or
what
we
heard,
and
I
don't
feel
as
though
it
should
just
be
about
covet.
I
If
we're
going
to
address
safety,
safety
shouldn't
be
dissected,
it
should
be
as
safety
as
a
whole
and
that's
the
reason
why
it
was
brought
up.
So
again,
it's
not
just
us.
It's
pjsc,
it's
dhs
and
everybody
that
falls
under
the
umbrella
of
the
local
159.
We
all
have
the
same
concerns.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
your
concern.
I
H
L
N
I
apologize
jones
can
I
also
say
we
defenders
had
to,
unfortunately
stop
jury
trials
at
this
time
because
of
the
lack
of
vaccinations.
We
don't
want
to
stop
anything
else
in
the
courts,
but
it's
getting
harder
and
harder
to
go
into
these
courts
being
one
of
the
only
stakeholders,
aside
from
the
district
attorneys,
who
are
not
vaccinated
so
as
soon
as
we
can
get
that
we
will
be
back
full
pledge.
N
F
Thank
you,
so
we
just
you
know
I
had
to
drop
off
of
this
call
for
another
call
explicitly
regarding
vaccines
and
the
access
to
vaccines,
and
I
do
think
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
do
something
in
short
order.
I
don't
want
to
make
any
promises
while
we're
still
working
things
out
with
a
phone
call
just
a
few
minutes
ago,
but
I
do
think
that
we're
going
to
be
able
we're
going
to
be
in
a
very
good
position
to
address
this
issue.
F
B
O
O
O
O
I
say
this
because
the
number
one
thing
that
will
keep
incarcerated
people
safe
and
staff,
safe
and
philadelphia
safe,
is
reducing
that
population
it
is
doable.
Other
counties
have
done
it
operating
in
the
same
criminal
procedure
as
philadelphia.
So
what
can
city
council
do
to
help
get
the
population
down?
First
of
all,
cure
bradford,
gray
and
bob
listen
b
are
absolutely
right.
O
Vaccinating
their
staffs
will
get
the
courts
open
and
will
get
the
population
down,
but
these
other
counties
learn
allegheny
montgomery
have
kept
the
population
significantly
down
dropped
it
significantly
without
vaccinating
their
staff.
So
what's
different,
there
has
been
pressure
on
the
criminal
justice
actors
in
those
counties
to
keep
the
population
low
and
those
criminal
justice
actors
have
found
a
way
to
work
together
and
get
it
down.
O
I
believe
in
philadelphia
exceptionalism,
so
I
believe
that
philadelphia
can
do
better
than
everyone
else
and
someone
somewhere
will
say
to
you.
Well,
we've
been
working
on
the
city,
safety
and
justice
challenge.
We
reduced
the
population
so
much
before
the
pandemic.
It
would
be
impossible
to
reduce
it
that
much
during
the
pandemic.
O
O
In
the
last
month,
eight
housing
units
have
reported
not
getting
any
out
of
sell
time
and
23
housing
units
have
reported
not
getting
out
of
sell
time
commensurate
with
what
the
court
is
ordering.
Why
is
that?
There
simply
are
not
enough
staff
showing
up
for
work,
whether
justified
or
not,
to
actually
safely
allow
for
people
to
get
the
out
of
sell
time
that
the
court
is
ordering
that
is
minimal
for
attaining
any
sense
of
mental
health.
O
O
Absenteeism,
low
staffing
rates
at
jails
around
the
commonwealth
and
at
the
department
of
corrections
are
common,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
justified
or
not,
almost
every
facility
in
the
commonwealth
is,
is
experiencing
dramatic
staffing
shortages
that
are
leaving
conditions
to
be
unsafe.
I
would
encourage
this
body
to
think
about
what
the
state
legislature
has
done.
O
In
december,
the
state
legislature
approved
an
emergency
176
thousand
dollar
appropriation
for
the
padoc
to
bring
in
temporary
staff
trained
correctional
officers
employed
with
the
geo
group.
Now
I
don't
like
the
geo
group
and
I'm
not
saying
you
want
to
privatize
prisons
or
outsource
correctional
officers.
It's
important
that
correctional
officers
are
public
employees.
This
is
a
public
duty,
but
we're
in
an
emergency
where
correctional
officers
don't
feel
safe
and
incarcerated.
O
People
don't
feel
safe
because
there's
not
appropriate
staffing,
and
I
want
to
applaud
the
state
legislature
for
bringing
in
temporary
staff
and
spending
the
money
that's
needed
to
make
doc
facilities
safe,
and
I
would
encourage
this
body
to
consider
something
similar
to
other
ways
to
make
the
correct
to
make
the
facilities
at
state
road
appropriately,
staffed
and
safe,
and
that
would
be
regular
rapid
testing
of
staff
weekly
rapid
testing
of
staff.
So
you
know
who's,
sick
and
who's,
not
and
who's
sick.
Even
if
they
don't
know
it
doesn't
have
don't
have
to
go
to
work.
O
I
think
councilwoman
kim
framed
that
issue
more
succinctly
and
clearly
than
I
can
and
then
the
next
is
vaccinations
and
I
want
to
applaud
philadelphia
again.
Philadelphia,
exceptionalism
philadelphia
is
the
only
county
in
the
commonwealth
that
has
prioritized
vaccinating
staff
and
incarcerated
people
in
1b,
and
if
I
was
in
city
council
in
that
room,
I
would
now
ask
for
everybody
to
stand
and
applaud,
because
that
is
so
important
and
so
great.
O
And
what
is
troubling
is
the
acceptance
rate,
so
we
know
that
that
incarcerated
people
are
only
accepting
the
vaccine
at
about
50
percent.
We
know
that
the
prison
is
now
working
to
improve
the
information
it's
providing
to
incarcerated
people
to
increase
the
vaccine.
Acceptance
rate,
the
public
information
that
they
provided
earlier
on
was
certainly
lacking.
O
Staff.
Vaccination
acceptance,
we
are
led
to
understand,
is
below
50
lower
than
incarcerated
people.
This
is
consistent
with
what
we're
seeing
across
the
state.
I
recently
read
a
report
from
cambria
county
that
only
about
a
third
of
staff.
There
accepted
the
vaccine,
so
the
other
thing
that
this
body
can
do
is
really
work
to
encourage
uptake
of
the
vaccine
among
staff.
O
A
You
so
much
for,
for
your
testimony
and
and
a
lot
of
that
information
is,
is
very
insightful,
particularly
the
comparisons
to
the
other
counties.
So
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
that.
Can
you
forward
that
to
samantha?
Can
you
put
your
email
in
the
chat,
or
you
said
it
was
on
your
website
correct.
A
C
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
jill
mccorkle
and
I'm
professor
of
sociology
and
criminology
at
villanova
university,
I'm
also
the
founder
and
the
executive
director
of
the
philadelphia
justice
project
for
women
and
girls.
I'd
like
to
thank
city
council
for
making
time
today
to
review
current
conditions
on
state
road,
especially
following
the
hearings
in
december.
I
will
keep
my
remarks
a
brief.
C
I
just
want
to
reinforce
a
lot
of
what's
been
said
here
today,
and
I
want
to
address
specifically
one
of
the
questions
that
councilwoman
woman
bass
raised
with
respect
to
our
staff
and
incarcerated
people
safe
from
covet
19.
and
unfortunately,
as
we
know
from
the
testimony
today,
the
answer
continues
to
be
no.
While
the
pdp
has
made
progress,
the
city's
jail
system
is
nowhere
where
it
needs
to
be
to
say
with
confidence
that
people
are
protected
from
covet
19
there's
a
number
of
reasons
for
this.
C
I
just
want
to
hit
on
three
to
reinforce
other
people's
testimony.
First,
with
respect
to
vaccines.
I
also
with
claire
applaud
our
city
for
getting
vaccines
into
the
city
jail
system,
particularly
in
contrast
to
other
jurisdictions,
who
are
not
doing
that.
We
have
to
accelerate
the
pace
of
those
vaccinations.
C
C
As
we
know
from
other
jurisdictions,
overcoming
vaccine
hesitancy
is
just
as
important
as
actually
inquiry
acquiring
the
shots.
Given
the
history,
particularly
in
this
city
of
medical
experimentation
on
people
of
color
and
on
incarcerated
people,
it
is
essential
that
we
provide
detailed
information
in
clear
and
easily
understandable
formats
about
vaccines.
C
C
I
also
continue
to
get
reports
about
staff
and
incarcerated
people
not
properly
wearing
their
masks
or
not
wearing
masks
at
all
and
for
women
who
are
in
dormitory-style
housing.
There's
a
mask
challenge
when
you're
sleeping
you're
sleeping
a
few
feet
away
from
other
people.
How
do
you
keep
your
mouth
gone
all
night.
C
The
conditions
in
those
buildings
are
a
direct
threat
to
women's
health
and
safety.
We
have
received
ongoing
reports
of
insect
and
rodent
infestation,
decay,
rust,
mold
and
mildew
exposed
wiring,
inadequate
ventilation
and
units
that
are
not
properly
weatherized
in
mod
3,
women
have
been
forced
to
get
their
cooking
water
from
a
slop
sink
in
a
janitor's
closet
because
of
the
layout
of
the
facility.
C
C
In
october,
2020,
the
national
academy
of
sciences,
engineering
and
medicine
released
their
report
on
the
covet
crisis
in
corrections
and
made
it
clear
that
the
only
way
forward
is
decarceration
we're
not
going
to
make
substantial
progress
on
any
of
the
issues
involving
vaccinations,
mental
health
and
rehabilitative
programming,
degraded
housing
structures.
If
we
don't
commit
right
now
to
wide
scale.
Decarceration.
B
D
Yes,
my
name
is
ricky
pulliam,
I'm
a
civilian.
I
have
the
mind
of
philosopher
the
heart
of
a
poet
and
the
spirit
of
a
warrior
and
a
mother
of
many.
I
am
much
more
than
inmate
854587
today
I
present
factual
data
as
a
result,
a
direct
result
of
being
in
the
custody
of
the
pdp
due
to
a
probation
detainer.
I
am
first-hand
speaking
regarding
ptb
pandemic
agreement.
Compliance
during
the
custody
dates
of
january
16
2020
through
january
28th
of
2021.
D
philadelphia
department
of
prisons
does
not
effectively
maintain
or
sustain
its
contract
with
the
city
of
philadelphia.
Inmates
are
subjected
to
decaying,
corrosive
and
decrepit
housing,
I.e,
dc,
my3
and
asd
neglect
of
insufficient
health
care
via
compromising
health
services,
mismanagement
of
funding,
budgeting
social
services,
security
and
re-entry
programs.
D
I
spoke
directly
with
commissioner
carney
and
the
deputy
commissioner
clark
doing
a
visit
in
a
tour
regarding
overcrowding
due
to
the
surpassing
of
a
40
bunk
funk
capacity
at
asd
adjustments
made
compromise
calcification,
however,
mandated
extended
shifts
of
officers,
whether
voluntary
or
not
resulted
in
inmates
being
subjected
to
fluctuating
temperaments
that
are
typically
hostile.
Excuse
me,
I
recall
an
officer
with
a
confirmed
covet
result
returning
after
quarantine,
displaying
labor,
breathing
pdp
pandemic
agreement.
D
Compliment
excuse
me,
compliance
propaganda,
elusive,
social
distasting,
overcrowding
of
dormitories
and
inc,
inadequate
for
provision
of
all
sanitation
and
laundry
supplies
bias
racial
excuse
me,
recreational
allotments
took
place
during
housing
throughout
the
pdp
from
rcf
cell
g52.
I
witnessed
devon
harris
removed
from
our
ceo
cell
g53
late
march
of
2020
by
lieutenant
bolton,
during
which
time
I
too
began
to
experience.
Flu-Like
symptoms,
I
believe,
to
have
been
covet-related.
D
Harris's
death
in
custody
of
pdp
was
in
fact
covet-related
malpractice
of
horizon
health
services,
cross-contamination
of
inmates
lab
tests,
covet
tests,
specimens
and
evaluation
venues,
inefficient,
lab
results,
documentation
of
results,
communications
evaluations
and
medications,
delayed
or
hindering
external
referrals
to
specialist
I.e,
obstetrics,
cardiology,
neurology
and
radiology,
in
contrast
to
other
local
counties,
pdp
lacks
access
to
virtual
programming.
Therapeutic
recreations,
drug
and
alcohol
supports
are
in
music
therapy.
Wi-Fi
access
is
available,
though
unreliable
access
to
tablets
are
for
virtual
visits
only
to
drastically
reduce
inmate
population.
D
We
need
to
end
cash
bill
now,
release
all
now
violent
detainees
and
detainers
50
of
the
current
pdp
detainees
are
being
held
on
detainers,
preventing
bailout.
Please
note.
This
summary
does
not
limit
to
what
is
being
spoken
here,
mere
a
categorization
of
much
broader
spectrum,
in
addition
to
customs
of
the
pdp
adult,
parole
and
probation,
as
well
as
the
commonwealth
courts,
conduct
needs
to
be
reevaluated,
investigated,
regulated,
appropriated
and
even
more
so
reorchestrated.
D
Inmates
who
get
covid
are
housed
at
dc
cell
blocks
for
two
weeks
to
a
month
because
of
overcrowding
and
my
three
and
asd.
There
are
four
showers
to
60
inmates
conditions
there
are
generally
concerning
the
environment
itself
is
concerning
it's
depressing:
the
decay,
the
bars
the
flying,
roaches,
the
mice,
the
mold,
the
poor
air
quality.
We
were
moved
from
rcm
to
asd
on
august
12th
of
2020..
D
I
was
one
of
three
inmates
who
physically
helped
move
the
inmates
security
was
of
no
help.
There
were
no
movers
to
assist
us
and
we
used
a
sheriff's
vans
loaded
with
seats.
The
ceos
refused
to
help
us,
except
one
particular
male
officer,
johnson,
there's
40
to
50
women
with
only
six
showers
and
seven
toilets
in
asd.
D
When
I
spoke
to
major
lacombe
when
he
was
creating
social
shoot
distancing
in
the
sinks,
he
told
me
that
his
orders
were
a
direct
result
of
those
whom
he
answered
to
when
he
reduced
the
sinks
on
sea
unit
of
asd,
from
six
to
four,
limiting
our
access
to
areas
to
actually
wash
our
hands,
our
dishes
cook,
our
food
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
The
men
had
really
bad
outbreaks.
In
contrast
to
the
women,
the
standard
test
was
just
a
temperature
checked.
D
Hearings
were
delayed
due
to
poor
communication
between
the
courts
and
pdp.
When
we
were
placed
on
down,
private
attorneys
were
not
notified,
which
was
a
direct
result
and
two
of
my
personal
hearings
being
reduced.
Virtual
courts
are
only
two
days
a
week
on
tuesdays
and
thursdays
for
the
entire
population
feel
free
to
ask
me
any
questions
at
this
time.
B
J
P
J
A
P
My
name
is
rachel
santiago.
I
am
the
lead
organizer
with
dignity.
Act
now
collective,
as
well
as
the
head
of
healing
and
trauma,
as
well
as
the
co-founder
for
dignity
act
now
collective.
I
am
also
on
one
of
the
the
creation
of
policy
for
trauma,
informed
care
to
implement
trauma
for
care
practices
within
the
prison
system,
not
just
the
correctional
officer
and
all
supe
all
staff,
but
also
it
means
to
have
therapeutic
support
as
well.
Also
a
former
impact
woman
myself,
and
it
was
back
in
2018,
released
from
rcf.
P
P
P
Then
I
was
placed
into
a
cell
with
a
man
named
john
for
16
days,
and
we
were
denied
showers
and
phone
calls
for
three
days
and
no
time
where
we
provided
with
cleaning
supplies.
We
were
given
a
bad
sheet
and
told
used
that
for
our
toilet
paper
because
they
had
none
to
give
us.
When
I
arrived,
I
was
not
provided
with
a
care
package
with
a
toothbrush,
toothpaste,
soap,
blanket
and
comb.
I
wasn't
afforded
the
opportunity
to
brush
my
teeth
for
14
days
until
I
was
able
to
buy
a
toothbrush
and
toupees
from
commissary.
P
P
I
was
then
sent
to
a
multi-purpose
room
which
housed
four
people
at
one
time.
In
18
days,
I
had
six
new
cell
mates.
There
were
times
where
we
stayed
locked
in
four
days
straight:
no
showers,
no
phones,
one
person
was
taking
off
the
block
because
they
said
he
tested
positive
for
cloven
19..
I
fear
I
will
die
if
I
catch
cover
19.,
I
am
a
51
year
old
male,
nothing
is
being
done
to
prevent
me
from
catching
covet.
19
at
all.
P
This
is
from
tasha.
I
am.
I
am
currently
at
my
three.
I
was
covet
positive.
I
was
in
pain.
I
had
a
fever
over
101
degree.
They
did
nothing
about
it.
When
my
test
said
positive,
I
was
supposed
to
be
moved
as
soon
as
possible.
They
did
not
move
me
right
away.
So
after
my
test
came
back
positive,
they
still
had
me
out
for
wreck
with
the
other.
Ladies,
I
was
taken
to
the
detention
center
a
whole
day
after
the
test
came
back
positive.
P
I
was
at
dc
for
12
days.
We
were
in
a
unit
with
the
mentally
ill
people
because
they
had
nowhere
really
to
put
the
covet
positive
people.
I
only
came
out
one
hour
a
day
on
a
good
day.
I
might
come
out
twice:
we
weren't
able
to
wash
our
clothes
over
there,
the
lights
over
there
never
goes
out.
They
had
mice
over
there
that
looked
like
baby
rats.
It
was
so
cold
over
there.
I
slept
with
two
blankets
and
four
sheets
just
to
stay.
Warm
another
inmate
wrote
this.
P
A
F
J
J
It
was
a
very
important
thing
to
hear,
even
though
I
think
it's
identifying
a
lot
of
the
challenging
issues
and
we
have,
as
you
said,
we
we
have
to
be
there,
and
especially
you
know
it's
our
city
workers.
We
have
to
be
thoughtful
as
well
as
the
individuals
who
are
represented,
miss
pulliam
and
miss
santiago.
J
I
want
to
thank
you
sincerely
for
bringing
your
experiences
forward
again
if
you
could,
if
or
if
you
have
not
already,
but
if
you
could
submit
your
testimony
to
the
chairman,
it
would
go
a
long
way
to
make
sure
that
we
can
continue
to
follow
up
as
we
look
to
tour
some
of
these
facilities-
and
I
just
you
know
I
wanted
to
thank
miss
shubik
richards
as
well.
You
know
for
for
your
comments.
You
know.
J
The
only
thing
I
might
take
issue
with
is
while
I
recognize
the
urgent
need
for
staffing-
and
we
are
all
on
here-
recognizing
the
urgent
need
for
staffing
geo
group
is
a
for-profit
entity.
That's
been
responsible
and
in
charge
of
prisons
under
their
care,
which
have
been
heavily
documented,
as
among
the
most
abusive
and
inhumane
in
history
and,
frankly,
I
think
that
some
of
their
operations
have
been
frankly
criminal.
J
So
while
I
recognize
that
there's
interest
on
behalf
of
the
state
legislature
to
address
the
staffing
issue,
they
should
address
the
staffing
issue.
They
should
not
be
looking
at
privatizing
with
an
operation
that
has
been
so
severely
maligned
at
the
at
the
you
know,
and
you
know
it
took
people
dying
and
hunger
strikes
and
horrifying
things
happening
both
to
staff
and
to
inmates
in
order
for
us
to
finally
see
how
awful
they
have
been.
J
So
you
know
if
the
state
legislature
is
truly
interested,
they
would
be
invested
in
staffing
and
supports
you
know
they
they're
the
ones
who
took
a
a
a
messed
up,
rent
relief
package.
They
made
it
absolutely
unworkable
on
rent
assistance.
150
million
dollars
in
rent
checks
should
have
gone
out
between
july
and
december,
and
instead
they
allocated
the
money
to
put
it
towards
prisons,
and
I
will
not
have
that
money
go
to
geo
group.
J
I
will
not
have
that
money
go
to
geo
group
that
money
should,
if
they
allocated
it
to
the
prisons
and
took
people's
rent
to
pay
for
the
prisons
department.
Mr
chairman,
I
believe
that
they
should
be
supporting
the
staffing,
and
that
means
that
they
can
hire
up
with
unionized
staff
per
appropriate
hiring
procedures
and
absolutely,
I
feel,
uncomfortable
with
the
invoking
of
geo
groups
in
any
context
until
they
are
fully
investigated
and
held
accountable
for
the
past
violations
that
they
have
committed.
J
You
know
with
with
public
dollars,
which
is
what
they
use,
but
you
know
we
don't
need
to
go
into
all
of
that.
I
I
mostly
just
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know
for
the
importance
of
this
hearing
to
pledge
to
be
a
partner,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
testified
now.
This
was
an
intense
hearing
on
my
on
my
part.
J
G
A
O
Claire
shipwreck
richards.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
thank
councilwoman
kim
for
really
bringing
you
know
for
saying
her
appropriate
discomfort
with
my
mentioning
of
the
geo
group.
The
geo
group
is,
I
would
agree
with
her
a
criminal
organization
in
many
respects,
and
the
prison
society
does
not
endorse
the
geo
group,
but
I
will
also
say
that
it
is
arguable
that
the
conditions
at
state
road
at
this
moment
are
criminal.
O
People
are
dying,
people
are
being
assaulted
and
to
her
credit
and
there's
a
lot
that
I
do
not
think
I
think
there's
a
lot
more.
That
could
be
done
at
state
road
that
hasn't
been.
I've
kept
my
testimony,
concise
for
you
all,
but
I
will
say
this
to
her
credit
and
to
your
credit
counsel.
There
are
25
new
cos
in
the
pipeline
to
be
on
boarded,
but
to
onboard
new
ceos
and
train
them
is
a
very
long
process
and
we
have
an
emergency
on
our
hands.
O
A
H
Yeah,
a
lot
of
testimony
has
been
given
about
could
have
would
have,
should
have
been
done
myself
and
my
team
have
been
working
tirelessly
and
we
could
never
refute
how
people
feel
their
perception.
We
acknowledge
it
wholeheartedly,
but
we
have
not
been
sitting
here
doing
nothing.
We've
been
here
throughout
the
pandemic,
we've
onboarded
folks.
It
is
not
easy
to
recruit
people
during
a
pandemic.
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
clear
about
the
challenges
we're
up
against,
but
we
have
been
doing
our
due
diligence.
H
H
These
are
philadelphia's
that
live
in
our
communities
with
us
and
we
have
a
vested
interest
in
making
sure
so
a
lot
of
it
is
what
should
have
been
done
and
then
it's
the
practicality
and
you're
dealing
with
human
beings
that
can
choose
the
profession
of
their
choice.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
out.
In
full
transparency,
so
it's
been
pretty
much
a
lineup
about
everything,
we're
not
doing
right,
but
you
don't
get
to
a
six
percent
infection
rate
with
everything.