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From YouTube: Committee on Public Safety 10-7-2020 (ATVs)
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The Committee on Public Safety of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, at 9:30 AM, in a remote manner using Microsoft® Teams to hear testimony on the following item:
200442 Resolution authorizing the Committee on Public Safety to hold a hearing examining the ongoing safety and noise issues with the use of ATV and other unauthorized vehicles on City streets and the possibility of creating a space for safely riding in Philadelphia.
B
C
C
Everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
meeting
to
testify
should
be
aware
that
this
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
because
the
hearing
is
public.
Participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
due
to
the
volume
of
requests
we
have
received.
We
ask
that
your
testimony
remain
brief,
around
three
minutes
to
ensure
that
all
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
testify
are
able
to
do
so.
C
Additionally,
prior
to
councilman
jones,
recognizing
members
for
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
witnesses,
I
will
know
for
the
record
at
this
time
that
we
will
use
the
chat
feature
available
in
microsoft
teams
to
allow
members
to
signify
that
they
wish
to
be
recognized
in
order
to
comply
with
the
sunshine
act.
The
chat
feature
must
only
be
used
for
this
purpose.
Thank
you.
B
B
F
Good
morning,
mr
chair
good
morning,
samantha
and
colleagues-
thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
this
very
important
hearing.
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
note
for
the
record
that
I
worked
on
bill
number
one:
two:
zero
two:
seven:
five,
a
around
all-terrain
vehicles
as
a
legislative
aide
in
city
council
and
also
work
with
some
of
our
witnesses
to
schedule
a
tour
around
atv
facilities,
potential
facilities
for
our
city.
So
I
truly
appreciate
the
opportunity,
mr
chair,
to
join
this
hearing
this
morning.
Thank
you.
F
B
D
B
B
C
Resolution
number:
two:
zero:
zero.
Four:
four:
two:
a
resolution
authorizing
the
committee
on
public
safety
to
hold
a
hearing
examining
the
ongoing
safety
and
noise
issues
with
the
use
of
atv
and
other
unauthorized
vehicles
on
city
streets
and
the
possibility
of
creating
a
space
for
safely
riding
in
philadelphia.
B
A
Well,
thank
you,
chairperson
jones,
and
thanks
also
for
co-sponsoring
this
resolution
and
for
holding
this
hearing
today.
We
have
a
lot
of
really
important
public
safety
issues
that
are
currently
impacting
our
residents
right
now.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
tackle
each
and
every
one
of
them.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
dedication
and
leadership
on
these
issues,
and
I
know
everyone
here
today.
Everyone
will
agree.
We
must
create
safe
spaces
for
philippines
to
live
work
and
raise
families.
If
we
want
this
city
to
succeed.
A
There's
probably
two
major
issues:
one:
how
we
enforce
dangerous
driving
on
our
city,
streets
and
sidewalks,
and
two
what
we're
willing
all
to
do
to
recognize
this
as
a
recreational
activity
that,
especially
for
young
people,
they
want
this
in
our
city.
So
I'm
hopeful
today
we
can
learn
from
one
another
and
perhaps
uncover
what's
possible
to
ensure
that
everyone
is
safe.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
diamond.
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
hear
from
many
voices
on
this
issue
so
that
we
can
have
a
discussion
that
hopefully
will
resolve
after
all
of
these
years,
some
of
the
issues
that
our
city
streets
face.
So
with
that
miss
williams,
can
you
please
read
the
names
of
the
first
panel
to
testify
today.
I
B
I
So,
just
to
let
you
know,
during
the
past
few
months,
the
police
department
has
been
consistent
with
the
implementation
of
the
citywide,
atv
and
dirt
bike
detail
as
a
result
of
our
efforts
to
crack
down
on
the
atvs
and
dirt
bikes
citywide,
the
officers
assigned
to
the
detail
confiscated
a
total
of
263
illegal
dirt,
bikes
and
atvs
from
may
15
to
october
3rd,
which
majority
were
dirt
bikes.
As
you
can
see
on
the
slide,
we
do
post
the
results
of
the
operations
on
our
website,
which
is
phillyplease.com
next
slide.
I
I
Unfortunately,
the
police
department,
we
cannot
run
the
atv
in
dirt
bike
detail
on
a
daily
basis
and
here's
why.
The
first
reason
is
due
to
the
2021
budget
cuts.
The
department's
budget
for
2021
was
reduced
by
33
million
dollars
and
after
looking
at
the
price
slide,
you
can
see
how
costly
it
is
to
run
the
detail
running
the
detail
requires
a
sufficient
amount
of
resources
and
personnel
which
requires
overtime
to
staff.
I
The
detail,
resources
and
staff
are
stretched
in
our
department,
have
to
focus
on
fighting
crime
and
reducing
gun
violence,
so
we
have
to
deploy
officers
in
our
problematic
zones.
In
addition,
we
also
have
to
utilize
our
resources
and
staff
for
protests
and
large
gatherings
such
as
pop-up
block
parties
and
also
drag
races
that
are
occurring
throughout
our
city
and
to
make
matters
even
worse.
I
The
graduating
clash
from
the
academy
are
smaller,
because
the
number
of
officers
our
department
are
able
to
graduate
from
the
academy
has
been
reduced,
and
one
of
the
issues
we
are
constantly
experiencing
is
the
lack
of
strict
penalties
for
illegal
dirt
bike
operators
after
these
vehicles
are
confiscated
and
pounded
it's
easier
for
the
owner
to
reclaim
a
dirt
bike
than
an
atv,
and
I
will
go
into
more
details
about
this
in
the
next
slide
next
stock.
Please!
I
I
It
also
shows
an
increase
in
dirt
bike
confiscations
in
2020
versus
2019,
which
means
that
there's
a
strong
possibility
that
there
are
more
that
there
are
more
dirt
bikes
on
the
street
than
atvs
and
both
2019
and
2020.
The
dirt
bike
confiscations
were
significantly
greater
in
comparison
to
atv
confiscation.
I
If
you
look
at
the
smaller
graphs
that
says,
54,
59,
54
and
20,
19
and
59
in
2020,
those
are
miscellaneous
vehicles
or
other
non-street
legal
vehicles
such
as
mini
bikes
and
go-karts
karts.
If
you
add
up
the
total
atv
and
dirt
bike
confiscations
for
2020
you'll
get
a
total
of
370
confiscations.
For
the
year,
the
atv
detail
was
responsible
for
confiscating
263
vehicles.
I
I
This
bill
here
this
is
bill
number
120725-a.
This
bill
was
passed
by
city
council
on
october
25th
of
2012
and
was
signed
by
the
mayor
on
november
13th
of
2012.
on
november.
13Th
of
2012
amendments
were
made
to
the
philadelphia
traffic
code,
prohibiting
the
operation
parking,
stopping
standing,
placing
or
maintaining
any
all-terrain
vehicles
on
any
public
sidewalk
or
any
public
property,
including
all
parks
and
recreation
centers.
I
So
this
bill
actually
gives
the
philippine
police
department
the
authority
to
impound
the
atvs,
and
it
gives
us
the
authority
to
issue
a
two
thousand
dollar
ticket
to
the
operator,
who
is
in
violation
of
the
city
code?
I
believe
that
code
number
is,
I
think,
is
12.11.33.
I
believe
next
slide
please.
I
The
operators
issued
a
parking
violation
ticket
which
is
two
thousand
dollars
now.
The
difference
is
this:
ticket
does
not
go
to
a
parking
authority.
It
goes
to
the
office
of
administrative
review
who
actually
sets
up
a
hearing
if
the
operator,
if
the
owner
requests
to
have
the
vehicle,
if
they
request,
reclaim
their
vehicle,
they
must
go
to
the
office
of
administrative
review.
To
do
so.
The
officers
office,
the
police
officer,
constituting
officer,
will
prepare
a
7548a
which
is
our
vehicle
impact,
which
is
our
vehicle-sized
pedestrian
report.
I
I
What
that,
basically,
is
it
pretty
much
explains
that
the
atv
will
be
under
the
authority
of
the
office
of
administrative
review.
It
also
explains
that
only
the
offer
of
only
office
of
administrative
review
has
the
authority
to
release
the
vehicle
if
the
owner
is
receiving
to
be
playing
the
atv.
The
notice
explains
how
to
schedule
a
hearing
with
the
old,
with
o
up
with
oar,
and
also
the
constitutional
information
will
be
on
that
notice
as
well.
I
I
I
I
Also,
they
must
produce
identification
such
as
a
driver's
license
or
an
id
a
pensioning
id
card,
and
also
proof
of
insurance
and
all
fines
and
fees
must
be
paid,
including
that
two
thousand
dollar
ticket
once
that's
accomplished,
then
that
vehicle
is
returned
to
the
owner.
However,
if
the
office
of
administrative
review
says
that
vehicle
can
be
destroyed,
they
will
send
a
forfeiture
order
to
the
impound
lock
once
the
empowerout
received.
This
order
that
vehicle
can
be
the
atv
can
be
destroyed,
but
they
cannot
destroy
it.
I
They
have
to
wait
for
45
days
before
they
can
actually
get
that
atv
destroyed
and
that
allows
tompo
in
the
field
process
if
any
event
that
the
owner
wish
to
appeal.
The
outcome
next
slide,
please
now
the
dirt
bike.
Impoundment
procedures
is
a
little
different,
and
this
is
the
challenge
that
we're
facing
with
the
dirt
bikes
next
slide.
Please.
I
So
the
atv
we
have
a
city
ordinance
in
place,
which
I
just
explained
that
it
allows
the
police
department
to
confiscate
the
vehicle
based
on
the
fact
that
atv
was
operating
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
also
too,
we
can
issue
a
two
thousand
dollar
ticket
for
for
the
atv
up
to
the
atv
operator.
Now
the
dirt
bikes
are
different.
We
have
to
follow
in
order
to
confiscate
a
dirt
bike.
I
We
must
follow
the
livestock
rules,
which
falls
under
pennsylvania,
vehicle
codes
of
which
is
6309
0.2,
which
any
vehicle
may
be
impounded
if
it
is
determined
during
the
lawful
investigation
that
the
operator
number
one
the
vehicle
is
not
registered
to
the
vehicle
is
the
registration
is
either
suspended
and
the
operator
doesn't
have
a
license
or
the
operator's
license
was
suspended
over
both.
If
that's
in
place,
then
we
can
confiscate
that
dirt
bike
next
slot.
Please.
I
So
now,
once
the
confiscating
off
once
the
officer
confiscates,
the
dirt
bike,
the
officer
will
issue
a
traffic
citation
which
is
a
ticket
of
moving
violation
ticket,
not
a
not
that
two
thousand
dollar
ticket
ticket
for
whether
or
not
if
the
office
the
operator
didn't,
have
the
license.
The
license
was
suspended.
If
the
registration
was
suspended
or
the
vehicle
wasn't
registered,
they
will
get
a
ticket
for
that,
not
the
two
thousand
dollar
ticket.
He
also
will
also
fill
out
a
7548a.
I
He
will
also
complete
a
property
seat
and
a
livestock
towing
report
and
the
offer
will
receive
a
copy
of
that.
Once
that's
accomplished,
the
dirt
bike
will
be
towed
and
dropped
off
at
our
impound
lot.
Either
our
toe
or
either
police,
toe
or
parking
story
will
tell
that
atv,
I'm
sorry
the
dirt
bike
to
our
impound
live.
I
So
now
the
difference
between
the
atv
and
dirt
bike
is
the
office
of
ministry
of
view.
They
are
not
involved
in
this
process,
so
literally
the
owner.
If
he
will,
he
or
she
wish
to
reclaim
their
dirt
bike,
all
they
have
to
do
is
pay
their
tickets
to
have
the
vehicle
title
registered
and
also
producer
identification,
proof
of
identification
as
a
drop,
light
store
or
a
pennsylvania,
id
and
proof
of
insurance,
and
they
will
get
that
third
fight
back
now.
I
If
they
do
not
claim
their
dirt
bike
that
dirt
bike
goes
unclaimed,
then
our
impound
lock
can
put
that
dirt
bike
on
our
destroyed
list.
But
what
the
impound
lot
does
they
will
mail
a
letter
out
to
the
owner
and
they
will
wait
for
three
days
if
they
don't
hear
from
the
owner
within
three
days.
They
will
add
that
on
the
destroy
list
next
week,.
I
This
slot
here
shows
the
accidents
involving
atvs
in
2019
and
2020..
As
you
can
see
in
2019,
I'm
I'm
sorry
to
be
back
up
a
little
bit
as
you
can
see
right
in
2020.
You
notice.
The
accident
starts
to
increase
in
may
now.
May
30th
was
the
start
of
our
civil
unrest
period,
which
impacted
the
implementation
of
the
atv
detail,
but
we
couldn't
run
that
details.
I
We
had
to
utilize
resources
for
serious
situations
and
instances
that
were
occurring
within
our
city,
but
before
the
silver
arrest
period,
we
were
able
to
run
the
detail
for
two
days
on
may
15th
and
may
16th,
which
resulted
in
a
total
of
63
confiscations
on
the
citywide
implementation
of
the
tracks.
Now,
if
you
notice
in
2019
march,
we
started
calculating
how
many
atvs
were
involved
in
the
accident,
but
in
2020
we
started
from
january.
The
reason
being
we
have
a
new
system
called
the
track
system
where
it
actually
that's
about
that.
I
I
These
are
the
fatal
crashes
that
involve
the
motorcycles,
atvs
and
dirt
bikes.
I
was
kind
of
surprised
at
the
outcome.
I
thought
we
would
see
more
fatal
crashes
involving
atvs
and
dirt
bike
operators,
but
actually
it's
the
total
opposite.
Motorcycle
operators
who
are
licensed
vehicles
are
actually
legal
street
legal.
They
were
involved
in
more
accidents,
more
accidents
than
atv
and
dirt
bike
operators.
In
2019
we
had
sold
17
motorcycle
accidents
and
three
atv
or
a
18-year
dirt
bike
accidents.
I
If
you
look
at
the
slide
on
the
left
side
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
slide,
we
confiscated
the
majority
of
the
atvs
in
the
24th
district,
25th
district,
the
22nd
and
the
12th
and
the
slot
on
the
right
side.
We
confiscated
the
atvs
in
the
24th
25th
again,
so
you
can
see
that
the
24th
and
25th
are
pretty
much
hot
when
it
comes
down
to
atv,
illegal
atv
operators,
operating
vehicles
illegal
throughout
our
city
and
also
the
16th
and
the
39th
district.
I
So
my
recommendation
to
the
committee
is
to
update
the
current
city
traffic
code
by
adding
the
non-street
legal
vehicles
to
the
ordinance.
I
believe
that
this
will
help
keep
the
illegal
dirt
bikes
and
other
non-street
legal
vehicles
off
the
streets
by
making
it
harder
for
the
owner
to
reclaim
their
vehicles
next
slide.
B
I
So
street
legal,
meaning
that
the
vehicle
matches
all
the
motor
vehicles,
the
motor
vehicle
core
requirements
to
operate,
that
vehicle
industries
in
philadelphia.
Now,
let's
use
the
dirt
bike.
For
example,
most
of
these
dirt
bikes
are
non-street
legal
meaning
they
don't
have
the
proper
equipment,
such
as
headlight
tail
light
turning
signals
speedometer
the
top
proper
tires
to
be
operated
on
the
highways
and
streets.
I
I
So
atvs,
based
on
our
ordinance,
is
illegal
period
to
operate,
stop
stand
or
maintain
atv's
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
period,
so
atvs
are
totally
illegal
in
philadelphia.
Thanks
to
that
ordinance,
which
was
a
big
help,
but
they
can,
if
they
have
a
legal
trailer,
they
can
trail
that
vehicle
to
a
atv
trail
or
park
where
they
allow
atv
operators
to
operate
their
vehicles
legally
on
their
private,
properly
owned
field
or
facility.
I
B
Because,
from
my
recollection,
in
the
last
atv
hearing,
it
was
precipitated
because
of
a
hit
of
a
lady
who
actually
lost
her
leg.
Catherine
gilmore,
probably
richardson
from,
could
probably
provide
better
details,
but
that's
my
recollection
in
the
pursuit
and
confiscation
of
these
vehicles
do.
Are
they
due
to
vehicles
being
parked
or
is
there
a
active
chase?
And
what
are
the
rules
of
engagement
by
way
of
operation
when
they
are
actually
on
a
vehicle.
I
So
I
do
not
want
to
jeopardize
our
strategy,
but
I
will
tell
you
this:
we
are
not
allowed
to
pursue
these
vehicles,
so
we
have
a
strategy
in
place
which
is
very
effective.
We
again,
I
stress
we
do
not
pursue
these
vehicles
there's
a
combination
of
both
some
are
actually
parked
on
the
sidewalk
and
some
are
actually
observed
being
operated
by
an
operator.
I
That
is
correct.
Now
we
do
now.
If
the
person
is
on
with
the
weapon
or
they
were
involved
in
a
forceful
felony
committed
a
crime
with
a
weapon
or
a
gun
that
can
cause
seriously
bodily
injury
and
injuries,
then
we
can
pursue
that
vehicle,
but
again
the
officer,
as
well
as
the
supervisor,
who's
monitoring
every
suit
monitoring.
That
pursuit
must
definitely
use
good
judgment.
We
don't
want
to
risk
the
safety
of
the
public
or
that
operator.
B
A
Thank
you,
chair
member
jones
and
thank
you
deputy
commissioner
dales.
It
was
an
excellent
testimony
provided
excellent
information.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
being
so
responsive
to
our
community.
I
know
that
you're,
you
know
24
hours,
you're
available.
We
can
text
you
and
you
get
back
with
great
information,
and
we
all
really
appreciate
that.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
think
my
takeaway
here
is.
I
have
two
questions
for
you.
A
I
I
have
noticed
a
a
decrease
in
the
presence
of
atv
and
dirt
bike
operators
throughout
the
city
based
on
the
information
I'm
receiving
from
the
officer
from
the
detail,
but
there
are
still
a
lot
of
dirt
bikes
and
atvs
on
the
streets.
The
problem
is:
is
the
dirt
bikes?
I'm
sure
everyone
on
this
line
here
on
the
hearing
knows
that
their
bikes
were
everywhere,
illegal
dirt
bikes
at
that
sometimes
too.
I
I
noticed
that
members
in
the
of
the
community
they
notice
they
see
dirt
bikes
or
with
another
vehicle
that
people
are
not
really
familiar
with,
is
called
an
auto
cycle,
which
is
a
three-wheeled
vehicle,
which
is
definitely
legal
if
we
got
to
be
operated
on
the
streets
of
philadelphia.
But
overall
I
have
noticed
an
improvement.
I'm
actually
received
feedback
from
members
of
the
community
saying
that
they
have
noticed
a
difference
unless
atvs
and
dirt
bikes
on
the
streets
in
philadelphia.
A
And
and
so
the
take
away,
thank
you.
The
takeaway
from
your
testimony
that
I
I
received
was
that
you
would
like
us
to
provide
similar
legislation
for
dirt
bikes,
currently
that
we
have
for
the
atvs.
Is
that
correct?
That's,
correct,
okay
and
one
last
comment.
I
noticed
you
know,
I
noticed
that
for
me
personally,
I
guess
you
know
you're
getting
old
when
you
no
longer
your
age,
no
longer
shows
up
on
the
chart
that
you
showed.
So
I
guess
that's
a
good
thing,
but
anyway,
thanks
for
your
testimony
today.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
F
F
I
F
I
F
I
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
then
thank
you
and
deputy,
my
colleagues
for
your
responsiveness
to
this
concern,
and
I
know
it's
something
that
we've
been
working
on
for
quite
a
while,
and
we
appreciate
the
response
that
we
have
and
obviously
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
this
through
enforcement
alone.
Enforcement
is
a
key
part
of
it.
Obviously,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
there
are
consequences.
H
You
mentioned
the
atv
law
and
the
dirt
bikes.
The
atv
law
seems
to
be
a
little
stricter.
Dirt
bikes
seems
to
be
a
little
more
lenient.
Do
we
have
a
percentage
of
how
many
people
who
have
had
their
atvs
confiscated
and
then
were
returned,
and
then
how
many
people
have
dirt
bikes
confiscated
and
then
we're
returned.
I
I
Go
go
back
again,
go
back,
keep
going
right.
There
right
go,
go
there!
You
there!
It
is
yes,
so
in
2020
the
atvs
that
were
returned
in
2020
was
very
low,
which
were
five
so
and
I
believe
that
has
the
ordinance
in
itself
had
a
big
impact
in
reference
to
atv
being
returned
to
the
owner.
Now,
if
you
looked
at
dirt
bikes
in
2019,
56
dirt
bikes
were
returned
to
the
owner
in
18
and
20
20..
H
I
H
I
That's
not
going
to
stop
it.
No,
you
have
some
folks
who
they
just
don't
care
a
lot
of
these
riders.
They
know
that
is
illegal
to
operate
atv's
on
the
street
and
the
thing
is
it's
like
a
cat
mouse
game,
you
catch
me,
you
catch
me
if
I
get
away
I'll
be
back
out
on
the
streets
the
next
day,
so
enforcement
alone
is
not
the
answer.
I
see
that,
but
it
has
a
big
impact
on
how
many
atvs
are
on
the
streets
today.
H
I
H
I
It's
a
part
of
it
that
is
part
of
the
requirements
that
the
muslim
system
must
reach
must
not
reach
a
certain
decibel.
That
does
not
make
it
completely
non-street
legal,
but
that
is
a
violation
of
the
motor
vehicle
vehicle
codes.
If
it
has
everything
like
the
headlights,
tail
lights
turn
signals
speedometer
the
proper
tires
that
is
approved
by
the
d.o.t,
then
that
would
be
more
so
be
a
ticket,
not
a
confiscation.
H
And
if
we,
if
we
have
these
noise
ordinance
in
place-
and
it
seems
like
it's
hard
to
enforce,
do
you
have
any
recommendations
on
what
we
could
do
as
council,
where,
if
they
are
modified
in
a
way
or
if
there's
right
now,
the
supposedly
there's
a
sound
meter,
that's
necessary.
Is
there
something
that
you
would
recommend
to
be
changed
to
better
enforce
the
illegal
behavior?
By
modifying
this.
I
We
have
ordinance
in
place
about
mistaken
where
they
can
actually
issue
a
citation
for
operating
a
vehicle
with
loud
mufflers.
I
do
know
they
were
unfortunate
on
south
street.
I
forgot
to
code,
but
there
are
two
tickets.
They
used
to
issue
in
reference
to
those
who
would
either
blast
their
music
or
they
have
loud
muffler
system.
So
they
were
issuing
to
your
ordinances
in
reference
to
what
else
can
we
can?
We
do?
H
Is
it
possible
to
get
to
the
chair?
Maybe
we
could
get
a
list
of
them
like
violations
or
citations
that
were
written
because
of
either
the
real
real,
loud
music
or
modified
muffler
systems,
and
I
think
that'll
go
a
long
way
to
let
the
the
folks
in
the
communities
know
too
that
this
is
also
being
addressed,
because
some
of
this
I
mean
they're,
correlating
and
relating
it
to
dirt
bike
atvs.
H
But
a
lot
of
it
is
the
legal
operations
of
some
of
these
vehicles
that
are
just
modified
or
have
really
really
loud,
nightclub
style,
music
systems
in
their
vehicles.
So,
if
that
it's
that,
if
we
could
see
that
and
then
we
know
that,
there's
an
ability
for
officers
to
enforce
that
again,
they're
not
going
to
chase
them
down
the
street
and
do
that,
but
if
they're
stopping
a
light
or
stopped
at
a
corner
or
something
maybe
that
that
that
could
be
something
that
also
is
increased
during
this
process.
F
Thank
you
so
much
samantha
and
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
have
one
additional
question
relative
to
the
slide
that
notated,
what
happens
when
an
atv
is
confiscated
and
a
parking
violation
report
is
issued
and
whether
it
goes
to
the
impound
lot
or
receives
a
forfeiture
order?
Could
you
just
notate?
Are
there
any
vehicles
that
go
to
ppa
to
be
auctioned
off,
or
has
that
stopped
that
stop
they
don't?
Okay,.
B
I
K
H
K
L
D
I
M
Good
morning,
good
morning,
councilman
and
good
morning,
just
to
provide
the
overtime
for
the
police
department
is
an
entire
budget
and,
as
the
year
goes
on,
we
use
it
in
the
areas
that
some
are
planned
and
some
are
unplanned.
Like
some
goes
to
court,
some
goes
to
crime
plan,
some
goes
to
investigative
and,
in
the
end,
our
class
100
numbers
have
to
match
up.
So
we
have
to
not
overspend
what
comes
in
class
100..
M
So
every
time
the
deputy
dales
needs
to
run
that
detail.
We
find
a
way
to
make
that
happen,
but
that
money
could
come
from
another
source
that
we'll
never
need
later.
So
our
entire
overtime
budget
is
mixed
with
our
class
100,
the
entire
police
budget
is
over
700
million,
so
overtime
is
part
of
it
in
that
is
also
the
salary
and
benefits.
M
So
the
allocation
just
means
that
we
know
monthly
if
we're
going
to
be
spending,
3
million
in
overtime
or
2
million
in
overtime
or
1
million
in
overtime,
whatever
we
have
to
spend,
gets
divided
amongst
all
those
competing
resources.
Now,
we've
been
fortunate
this
year
in
one
regard
that
court
has
not
come
back.
M
Yet
when
we
look
four
years
back
from
the
presidential
election,
we
spent
over
five
million
in
protest,
and
that
was
an
unplanned
unexpected
course,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
election
controversy
this
year.
We
have
to
be
mindful
that
may
be
the
same
vote,
because
we're
now
you
know
less
than
a
month
from
elections.
B
To
thank
you,
member
johnson,
to
follow
up
on
his
question,
though,
can
we
can
you
provide
to
the
chair
who
will
provide
to
the
committee
a
breakdown
of
overtime
retrospectively
over
the
last
four
years?
I
know
I
understand
your
logic
that
you
can't
predict
what
area
of
overtime
will
be
spent.
You
did
not
anticipate
a
pandemic.
M
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that
and
in
addition,
one
of
the
other
factors
that
I
think
deputy
dales
alluded
to
was
the
problem
with
when
we're
running
large-scale
protest
details,
those
same
people
that
he
could
utilize
for
the
atv
details
are
detailed
to
some
other.
Either
protest.
Unrest,
election
type
concerns,
so
it's
both
budgetary
and
staffing-wise.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
even
all
the
sometimes
an
unlimited
amount
of
money
doesn't
give
you
the
cops.
You
need
to
get
something
done.
B
M
D
D
We
also
want
to
look
at
the
issue
with
smart
policing
as
we
move
forward
in
the
21st
century,
and
so
when
you
talk
about
staff
and
police
personnel-
and
I
know
it
was
mentioned
that
a
incoming
class
was
cut,
give
us
an
idea
of
the
amount
of
the
budget
that
goes
toward
the
number
of
incoming
police
officers
in
terms
of
new
class
members
that
will
be
class
members
who
are
recruited
to
become
philadelphia.
Police
officers
give
us
what
those
numbers
look
like
so
a
class
of
50.
M
M
In
addition,
we
continue
to
battle
attrition
with
average
of
15
to
18
officers
leaving
every
month,
so
losing
any
number
in
our
authorized
strength
is
that
many
that
we
can
hire
and
because
of
the
pandemic,
in
our
inability
to
get
psychological
tests
and
polygraphs
and
stuff
no
classes
have
gone
in
over
the
summer,
which
would
have
been
our
june
class,
our
september
class,
eliminating
the
number
of
people
that
we
have
coming
out
of
the
academy.
I
guess
the
biggest
factor
is,
unlike
other
stamping
replacement.
M
It
takes
us
from
start
to
finish
about
a
year
to
get
somebody
from
when
they
begin
the
process
to
come
out
on
the
street,
the
police
uniform.
So
it's
not
something
that
can
be
done
quickly,
so
any
loss
in
our
numbers
like
when
someone
retires
or
leaves.
Suddenly
it's
not
like
you
could
just
go
to
a
list
and
pull
somebody
off
there's
the
whole
training
process.
So
we
are
budgeted
right
now
for
195
police
officers
less
than
we
were
a
year
ago,
and
we
betrayed
it
beyond
that
as
well.
M
B
F
C
E
N
F
F
But
I
just
wanted
to
note
for
the
record,
because
I
listened
to
the
testimony
from
the
police
department
and
also
worked
on
this
bill
eight
years
ago.
We
have
to
understand
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
that
this
is
a
culture
bike.
Life
is
a
culture
right
and
we
know
that
we
want
to
ensure
public
safety
for
our
citizens.
We
understand
that
atvs
and
these
type
of
devices
are
noisy
and
are
a
nuisance.
F
I
know
I
hear
them
in
my
community
as
well,
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
not
had
a
full
conversation
around
figuring
out
how
we
can
stand
up
in
atv
park
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
so
that
the
riders
have
somewhere
to
go.
That
is
a
legal
place
for
them
to
go
for
this
activity,
and
then
you
know
completing
additional
research
on
this
issue
over
the
years
since
2012.
F
I've
recognized
that
it
is
a
bike
life
culture
here
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
So,
as
the
deputy
commissioner
stated
that
enforcement
alone
will
not
get
us
there,
we
have
to
deal
with
the
culture
of
this
issue
as
well.
So
I
wanted
to
pose
the
question
to
you,
commissioner,
at
level.
What
is
the
feasibility
of
us
looking
into
establishing
an
atv
park
or
atv
style
park
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia?
F
And
I
say
that
in
the
context
of
when
we
had
issues
down
at
city
hall
and
in
our
quadplex
with
the
young
people
riding
their
skateboards,
it
took
eight
years,
but
we
figured
it
out.
We
figured
out
how
to
establish
a
skateboard
park
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
What
can
we
do
for
our
young
people
who
are
interested
in
partaking
in
this
activity
so
that
we
can
try
to
encourage
them
to
get
off
of
our
streets
and
out
of
our
small,
you
know,
side,
streets
and
our
communities
and
put
them
in
an
atv
park?
N
Sure,
thank
you,
council
member.
There
there's
some
parts
of
your
of
your
question
that
I
can
answer
council
member
and
some
that
I'm
I
just
can't
answer.
I
will
say
that
I
I
do
I'm
in
hearing
what
how
the
former
deputy
mayor
and
commissioner
responded
to
this
question
in
2012.
I
would
say
that
our
position
remains
unchanged
from
that
point,
that
I
do
believe
that
it
would
be
burdensome
to
our
department
to
operate
and
maintain
a
public
atv
park.
N
We
have
10
000
acres
of
park
land,
we
have
140
public
parks,
we
have
160
recreation,
centers,
more
rec
centers
than
any
city
in
the
country.
We
have
70
pools
and
we
received
a
13
million
budget
cut
this
year
and
and
we
are
going
to
do
our
best
to
manage
and
maintain
that
incredibly
vast
system
with
the
resources
that
we
have.
But
it
is
an
incredible
challenge
and
I
never
want
to
underestimate
the
challenge
of
maintaining
our
resources.
N
You
know
with
with
the
funding
that
we
have
as
a
city
and
with
the
difficult
decisions
we
need
to
make
around
that
that
funding
as
a
city,
so
to
think
about
at
adding
a
park
like
this
and
maintaining
a
park
like
this,
I
think,
would
be
incredibly
burdensome
on
the
department.
I
also
feel
you
know
personally,
I'm
fearful
about
you
know
questions
I
have
about
how
individuals
would
get
to
and
from
that
park.
N
You
know
my
assumption
is
they
would
ride
their
atvs
to
the
park
wherever
it
is
located,
and
you
know
that
would
increase
the
traffic
of
atvs
in
in
in
the
streets
and
in
the
parks.
I
do
feel
I
I
don't.
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
convinced,
based
on
what
I've
heard
today,
that
it
would
limit
the
amount
of
atv
traffic
and
recreation
that
we
have
happening
in
our
existing
parks,
which
is
a
huge
public
safety
issue.
N
N
And,
lastly,
I
would
say
that,
with
the
limited
resources
that
we
have
our
number
one,
priority
has
been
to
make
sure
that
we
support
young
people,
especially
young
children,
as
a
mom.
This
is
critically
important
to
me.
It's
painful
to
go
to
parks
and
playgrounds
throughout
our
system.
In
some
of
our
most,
you
know,
challenged
neighborhoods
and
not
to
see
them
equal.
N
What
we
see
in
other
neighborhoods,
especially
in
the
suburbs-
and
I
know
the
rebuild
initiative-
is
working
really
hard
to
change
that,
but
until
we've
checked
that
box
on
children
until
we've
checked
that
box
on
on
little
people
and
and
the
places
they
have
to
play,
I'm
not
sure
that
our
resources
should
be
allocated
to
the
adults.
I
feel
the
same
way
about
dog
parks,
quite
frankly,
that
you
know
when
people
bring
up
wanting
to
to
allocate
resources
to
dog
parks.
N
I
understand
that
that's
a
culture,
you
know
that
that
exists
and
that
people
care
very
deeply
about
their
dogs
and
want
them
to
have
a
safe
place
to
run
and
play.
But
I
just
believe
that
our
resources
need
to
be
allocated
to
children
first,
with
very
limited
resources
that
we
have
for
a
city.
Mr
chair.
F
Thank
you
quickly
for
your
indulgence.
I
just
wanted
to
say
for
the
record
that,
after
the
hearing
on
bill
number
one
two
zero
seven,
two
five,
a
the
councilwoman
at
that
time-
blondel
reynolds
brown
committed
to
arranging
a
tour
of
the
egg
harbor
township
police,
athletic
league
ready
to
ride
facility,
which
we
did
invite
all
members
of
council
to
that
tour.
F
Their
facility
in
total
has
about
eight
miles
of
ride
area
eight
miles
of
trail,
but
the
way
the
trail
is
is
configured
is
not
a
lot
of
space,
so
I
do
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
I
think
we
need
to
investigate
the
possibility
of
bringing
a
legal
atv
park
to
the
city
of
philadelphia.
That
is
something
that
I
am
very
much
interested
in.
F
We
still
have
the
photos
from
the
tour
that
happened
after
the
bill
was
passed,
and
I
do
think
we
need
to
look
into
that
as
an
option
so
that
we
can
provide
an
alternative
so
that
we
don't
continue
to
criminalize
this
activity
for
young
people
who
enjoy
working
with
and
writing
these
atvs.
So
I
will
be
committed
to
that.
I
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record
again
enforcement.
We
do
have
to
do
that
right,
but
we
also
have
to
figure
out
how
we
help
our
young
people
participate
in
this
activity
legally.
B
B
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
fact
that
left
unto
its
own
devices,
it
won't
change
and
people
will
complain
and
quote
bikers
that
want
to
exercise
outlaw
behavior
will
will
do
so,
but
if
we
confront
it,
there
are
solutions
that
we
can
come
up
with
and
I
don't
always
mean
our
public
parks.
I
have
in
my
district
in
hunting
park
a
giant
monument
to
the
old
industrial
complex
of
the
bud
site.
A
Dom
thank
you
sam.
Thank
you,
chairman
jones.
I
stand
with
you
chair
jones
and
council
member
gilmore
richardson
on
this
issue.
We're
going
to
have
some
people
testify
today.
I
believe,
on
how
we
can
commute
the
atvs
and
bikes
to
safe
locations.
So
I
look
forward
to
their
testimony.
I
don't
think
it's
insurmountable
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
also
look
at
you
know
we
own
five
or
six
golf
courses.
A
I
guess,
and
we
support
adults
with
golf
courses
and,
as
you
mentioned
chairman
jones,
the
public-private
partnership
might
be
the
option
here.
I
think
it's
worked
for
payne's
park
and
first
tee
relationship
has
with
our
golf
courses
long-term
leases,
and
maybe
this
is
a
way
to
accomplish
this
goal
of
of
an
atv
park.
I
guess,
commissioner
level
I
just
had
oliver.
I
had
a
question
for
you
when
this
study
was
done.
N
Unfortunately,
council
member-
I
I
was
not
a
part
of
that
study
when
that
was
done.
I
think
that
was
done
in
2012.
I
didn't
start
here
until
2016..
I
do
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
I
I
I
really
appreciate
council
member
jones's
suggestion
of
a
public-private
partnership.
I
think
that's
a
brilliant
idea
and
I
do
think
that
it
doesn't
need
to
be
a
public
park
so
that
perhaps
that
should
be
considered.
Thank
you.
O
O
O
We
have
a
skate
park,
we've
done
a
lot
to
help
the
rowing
community,
raise
money
and
and
we've
accommodated
them
through
our
park
system.
We
have
to
do
the
same
thing
for
for
young
black
men,
there's
already
so
few
things
that
are
available
to
them
in
the
city
and
as
we're
talking
about
you
know,
violence.
O
B
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'll
relinquish
soon
as
the
council
member
johnson
comes
back,
but
I
think,
as
a
city,
we
need
to
look
at
all
aspects
of
this,
and
maybe
the
partnership
is
that
we
have
property
somewhere,
that
we
could
use
and
that
that
partnership
is
having
the
property
and
then
be
able
to
lease
the
property
to
individuals
to
manage
and
run
this
they
can
identify
the
city.
I
think.
Sometimes
we
we
look,
how
hard
not
to
do
stuff
that
we
get
in
the
way
of
ourselves.
H
I
think
we
need
to
look
outside
the
box
and
maybe
look
and
see
what
opportunities
that
are
presented
to
us
today
at
the
hearing,
and
maybe
we
look
at
all
right,
yeah,
we
do
have
property
that
property
can
be
used.
We
can
lease
it
and
identify
us
and
then
move
forward
and
not
so
much
that
we
have
to
manage
it
run
it
because
you
know,
as
a
city
we're
not
good
at
that,
so
you
know.
I
think
we
can
do
this.
H
I
think
there's
ways
to
do
this
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
outside
the
box.
I
know
previous
hearings
were
always
saying
that
let's
not
tell
us
how
we
can't
do
things,
let's
find
a
way
to
do
things,
and
I
think
that's
what
this
hearing
is
here
today
to
do
and
working
with
all
our
colleagues
or
departments.
We
could
come
up
with
a
way
to
do
that.
H
So
hopefully
we'll
hear
from
some
of
the
people
who
are
out
there
and
understand
this,
the
bike
life
and
how
it
is
progressing
and
where
it's
going
in
the
future,
and
then
we
could,
you
know
it
would
be
a
partnership
more
or
less,
because
if
it
is
our
property,
we
would
then
be
able
to
to
lease
it.
But
if
it's
not,
we
could
they
could
lease
it
off.
H
Other
private
individuals
who
have
it
and
then
you
know
make
sure
that
they
follow
the
proper
protocols,
whether
it's
hiring
additional
police
or
an
ambulance
at
the
site
during
events
stuff
like
that-
and
we
could
work
with
them
to
do
that
and
do
it
right.
So
it's
not
a
yes
or
no
or
we
can
or
we
can't
and
let's,
let's,
let's,
let's
hear
this
out:
let's
look
at
options
and
let's
come
up
with
creative
ideas
and-
and
I
want
everybody
just
to
keep
an
open
mind
as
we
process
through
the
hearing.
So
thank.
D
Yes,
I
apologize
somehow
I
dropped
a
signal,
but
nevertheless
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
I
echo
the
sentiments
of
my
colleagues
in
any
way.
I
could
be
supportive
of
these
efforts.
If
there's
a
working
group,
that's
put
together,
I
wouldn't
mind
participating
and
again
we
need
not
criminalize
our
young
people.
D
My
grandmother
always
told
me
that
idle
mind
is
the
devil's
workshop
and
the
more
young
people
that
have
have
nothing
to
do
the
more
they're
going
to
get
involved
in
acts
of
gun,
violence
and
other
types
of
mischief,
and
so
I
believe
that,
where
there's
a
will
there's
a
way,
we
can
try
to
figure
it
out
in
a
safe
and
productive
manner,
all
in
the
matter
all
in
the
effort
of
public
safety
but,
most
importantly,
supporting
our
young
people.
Thank
you
very
much
comes
mr
chair.
C
And
we'll
move
on
to
the
second
panel,
I
will
call
up
joey
gaza,
andy
vitek,
mariel,
osner
and
karine
wall
senior
again.
I
would
just
ask
that
you
please
keep
your
comments
and
remark
brief.
We
do
have
15
other
individuals
who
need
to
testify
after
your
testimony
is
complete
and
a
hard
stop
at
12
30.
G
G
What's
been
taking
place
in
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,
I
heard
some
things
that
was
kind
of
upsetting
to
me,
but
then
I
as
as
things
the
process,
started
to
move
forward.
I
hear
everybody
on
the
same
accord,
so
it
is
known
that
we
need
a
place
to
ride.
I
brought
this
to
city
council
october
3rd
2012.
G
G
They
have
been
confiscated,
they
have
been
confiscated
and
I
think
that's
a
problem,
but
basically
the
city
of
philadelphia
is
under
attack
for
atvs.
I
will
admit
that
they
have
no
place.
They
go
to
a
park,
they
chase
out
of
a
park.
I
saw
slides
today
stating
that
the
manpower
must
be
in
place
to
try
to
keep
this
under
control
helicopters
fuel
at
they
own
atvs
themselves.
It's
a
cat
and
mouse
game
which
is
very
dangerous.
G
How
I
see
is
done
is
that
it's
more
of
a
I
got
you
like
if
the
guys
pull
over
at
a
gas
station,
they
kind
of
converge
on
them
and
then,
at
that
very
moment
they
disperse
out
of
a
out
of
a
park
park
place
and
then
they
just
scatter
right
into
the
streets.
I've
seen
people
get
hit
like
that.
It
turns
into
a
panic
situation,
and
then
you
got
a
helicopter
chasing
these
kids
on
atvs.
G
That's
a
known
situation.
Third
thing:
we
have
locations
that
we
bring
up
before,
which
was
delaware,
avenue
and
port
richmond
street.
That
was
one
of
the
locations
that
we
spoke
about.
Wyoming
avenue
and
roosevelt
boulevard
fairmont
park.
1017
northeast
avenue,
whitaker
park
and
also
enterprise
avenue
in
fort
mifflin
road
in
philadelphia
pa.
G
That's
what
we're
doing
we're
managing
dirt,
we're
using
the
facility
to
facilitate
off-road
vehicles
doing
this
off-road
vehicles.
It's
important
that
we
practice
safety.
Safety
is
always
the
most
important
thing.
First,
how
kids
ride
on
the
street
today
is
not
safe?
That's
not
safe,
but
you
have
to
understand
by
us
creating
this
park
we'll
take
kids
off
the
street.
No,
I'm
being
very
honest.
It
will
not.
Will
it
reduce
the
numbers?
G
Yes,
will
it
create
a
more
of
an
activity
space
for
tourism
and
things
like
that
to
come
within
the
city
of
philadelphia
philadelphia?
Absolutely
it's
an
86
million
dollar
industry.
Atv
sales
are
up
100
percent
right
now
within
the
city
of
philadelphia,
so
you
think
about
the
atvs
are
up
100
with
no
facility
to
ride
so
where
are
they
riding
them
in
the
streets?
G
It's
very
important
that
we
figure
out
a
way
to
understand
the
movement
and
understand
what
our
children
are
doing.
Just
like
ms
gilmore
said,
councilwoman
gilmore
said
we
created
a
park
for
skateboarders,
we
play
golf.
We
have
golf
parks,
we
have
rec,
we
have
basketball
parks,
swimming
pool
parks.
We
need
to
create
an
atv
space
for
these
people
to
enjoy
the
atvs
without
being
confiscated
or
chased
throughout
the
streets
of
philadelphia.
G
I've
run
crossroad
power
sports
in
conjunction
with
yamaha,
to
testify
city
council,
and
we
put
together
a
ride
ourselves
that
sprung
into
councilman
blondel's
office,
and
we
took
councilman
jones,
morgan,
cephas,
representative
and
a
few
others.
We
went
through
a
trail
ride
in
fairmount
park
and
we
went
out
to
fairmount
park
and
then
we
also
went
out
to
coal
town
pa,
and
it
was
the
most
exciting
thing
I
ever
seen
on.
Councilman
chuck's
face
the
experience
that
he
had
atv
writing.
G
Then
you
have
a
chance
to
identify
with
the
passion
that
goes
along
with
it.
So
I'm
not
going
to
take
a
lot
of
time
up,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
commend
city
council
for
coming
together
and
I'm
willing
to
work
side
by
side
with
you
to
see
this
happen.
It's
mandatory.
This
happens
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
We
will
become
a
model
for
other
cities
across
the
country.
Who
has
the
same
problem?
G
Philadelphia
should
be
doing
it
first.
I
love
our
city
and
councilman
dom.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
together
and
councilman
jones.
Thank
you
for
being
the
chair
of
safety
and
making
this
happen.
It's
important
that
we
execute
this
because,
like
I
said,
we
started
this
in
2012,
it's
2020.
we're
behind
the
eight
ball.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
G
Yamaha
kevin
kevin
j
crew
and
yamaha,
and
eric
osner
and
mario
osner
from
crossroads
powersports,
who
is
my
family?
They
came
together
with
a
few
of
us
and
we
created
this
organization
and
we
were
really
pushing
hard
for
this
to
happen.
But
the
the
manufacturer
was
yamaha,
they
came
with
a
blank
check
and
that
words
was
if
we
write
a
check
for
5
million
with
the
city
of
philadelphia
match
it,
and
that's
just
where
we
left
for
that.
B
G
Yes,
I
do,
sir,
it
is
a
very
much
interest.
Yamaha
is
sort
of
like
nike
they're
putting
back
into
the
community.
They
know
everyone's
riding
their
vehicles,
they
know
people's
buying
their
vehicles.
Like
I
said,
atv
cells
are
up
100,
more
so
than
street
bikes,
off-road
vehicles,
everything
so
and
then
another
thing
I
wanted
to
answer
something
you
can't
you
can't
insure
a
dirt
bike.
It's
supposed
to
be
road
off-road.
G
I
mean
it
has
to
be
registered
from
a
purchase
standpoint,
but
you
don't
put
insurance
on
it
and
you
know,
like
you,
don't
so
it's
like
when
the
bikes
are
confiscated,
you
can't
get
them
back.
You
know
because
they're
not
insured
they're,
not
registered.
So
it's
a
gamble,
and
you
know
if
you
take
one,
then
go
and
buy
another
one.
E
B
A
Thank
you
sam.
Thank
you,
chair
jones,
mr
desolino.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
put
on
the
record
and
told
my
colleagues
I'd
like
to
start
an
informal
council
committee
to
continue
to
work
on
this
atv
issue,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
support
here
and
maybe
you'd
like
to
be
part
of
this
work
group,
mr
saslino,
because
I
think
you
have
really
good
information.
A
G
Not
we
are
still
in
contact,
but
I
haven't
personally
been
in
contact
with
them
recently.
I
actually
my
contact
person
was
mr
eric
eisner
he's
the
owner
of
crossroads
powersports
and
he's
a
former
atv
motocross
racer,
you
know,
and
so
this
is
his
lifestyle.
So,
with
his
lifestyle,
I
used
his
network
to
get
in
contact
with
yamaha
and
they
pulled
everything
together
for
me
on
their
end.
Actually,
I
believe
his
daughter
is
is
on
with
us
today.
A
Okay,
great
and
so
I'll
just
offer
my
own
volunteer
my
time
if
it's
of
help,
if
you
want
to
get
a
conversation
with
yamaha
I'd,
be
happy
to
be
on
that
call.
Maybe
we
can
convince
them
not
to
require
us
to
match
the
money
but
to
put
up
the
money,
because
I
think
it's
a
great
thing
for
us
to
have
an
atv
park
here
so
I'll
be
happy
to
help
raise
the
money
for
this.
That's
a
public-private
partnership.
I
think
we
can
do
it.
So
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Thank
you.
Remember
donald
trump.
G
Councilman,
dom
just
just
just,
for
instance,
just
to
let
you
know
in
in
the
state
of
minnesota,
their
their
manufacture
activities
was
at
30
million
dollars.
Their
atv
related
sales
was
8.6
million
dollars,
which
generated
86
million
dollars
in
state
and
local
taxes
and
also
minnesota.
So
imagine
what
we
can
do
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
G
B
A
G
G
Well,
I
wanted
to
say
since
marielle's
here
before
I
let
you
go.
I
want
to
organize
another
trip
with
city
council
and
for
us
to
go
out
again
with
crossroads
because
they
got
side
by
side.
So
those
who
don't
ride
they
have
side-by-side
vehicles
and
we'll
go
out
trail.
Riding
we'll
spend
the
day
in
the
trails
and
you
get
to
experience
it
first-hand.
F
F
I
think
it'll
be
vitally
important
as
we
move
forward,
but
I
also
wanted
to
thank
you
joey
for
your
dedication
to
this
issue
for
working
with
us
for
a
very
long
time
on
this
matter
and
for
going
with
us
to
the
tour
that
we
facilitated
in
city
council
back
in,
I
think
that
was
2012
or
2013,
where
we
rode
atvs
in
the
egg
harbor
township
pow
park.
So
thank
you
for
your
dedication
to
this
issue
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
further.
Thank
you,
council
member.
Thank
you.
H
B
H
C
P
P
P
I
do
believe
that
this
is
a
very
important
issue
that
I
think
needs
to
be
resolved.
There
needs
to
have
a
solution,
because
in
our
in
our
area,
we
have
a
growing
population
with
our
bikes
and
atvs,
and
I
think
it's
parallel
that
we
have
a
place
for
them
to
ride.
I
say
it
all.
The
time
about
40
of
our
sales
are
going
into
the
city
of
philadelphia,
and
I
really
think
that
it's
an
educational
process
as
well
that
we
can,
we
can
create
so
much
revenue
we
can
create
so
many
jobs.
P
We
can
create
so
many
futures
for
these,
for
these
kids
and
and
young
adults
to
have
somewhere
to
ride
and
for
us
to
appreciate
them
wanting
a
place
to
ride
and
going
forward
from
there.
The
first
step,
I
think,
listening
to
everybody,
is
finding
a
property.
I
think
the
city
first
things.
First,
we
have
to
take
it
in
small
steps
is
finding
the
property
once
we
find
the
property.
P
I
believe
that
private
partnership
is
so
we
can
all
get
together.
I
know
the
state
has
really
good
funding
for
offer.
Dcnr
also
testified
back
in
2012
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
he
had
like
crazy
numbers.
He
was
like,
if
you
just
find
the
place
to
have
it
we
have
from.
We
can
get
also
from
private
funding.
We
can
get
it
from
manufacturers,
manufacturers,
yamaha,
kawasaki,
suzuki,
honda,
all
have
educational
programs
and
funding
for
those
programs.
P
So
we
can
get
children
at
younger
ages
to
get
into
the
park
to
learn
how
to
ride,
to
learn
how
to
ride
safely
and
to
give
them
a
place
to
ride.
At
the
same
time,
it's
a
lifestyle,
it's
not
going
anywhere
confiscating
and
putting
these
rules
in
place.
I
know
we
have
to
do
it
because
it's
it's
a
it's
a
matter
of
public
safety,
but
yet
we
have
no
solution
for
it.
P
We
can't
say
I'm
going
to
take
your
bike
because
you
didn't
go
to
the
park
or
you
have
a
place
to
survive
you're
taking
the
bites
because
they
have
no
place
to
ride
and
all
it's
doing
is
infuriating
people
within
the
life
candy
to
just
go
out
and
do
it
it's
not
stopping
them.
We've
you
guys
been
trying
to
confiscate
atvs
and
dirt
bikes
for
years
and
and
the
numbers
haven't
gone
down
in
sales.
It's
not
it's
not
affecting
them
to
take
these
bikes
away
because
they
are
just
going
to
get
new
bikes.
P
So
I'm
just
here
today,
just
to
give
our
support
we've
been
we're
highly
involved
in
the
motorcycle
community
within
philadelphia.
I
do
think
it's
paramount
like
like.
I
was
telling
you
joey
the
other
day
I
was
like
you
know.
The
kid
wants
to
play
basketball
and
there's
no
basketball
port
he's
going
to
play
basketball
in
the
street.
You
know
if
a
kid
wants
to
play
baseball
and
there's
no
baseball
field
he's
going
to
play
it
in
a
park.
P
If
the
kids
want
to
ride
their
bikes
they're
going
to
ride
it
and
they're
going
to
see
everybody's
riding
them
on
the
street
and
they're
going
to
ride
in
the
street,
you
know-
and
it's
also
an
education.
I
say
education
because
when
you
give
young
adults
and
children
the
opportunity
to
grow
into
something
they
want
to
work
on,
like
we
don't
know,
if
the
next
you
know,
travis
pastrana
is
going
to
come
out
of
of
our
park.
P
B
M
B
Q
E
B
So
the
question
was:
is
there
private
sector
interest
in
a
public
private
partnership
to
create
a
urban
bike
park,
and-
and
I
I
guess-
I
should
also
say
that
if
we
were
to
do
this,
there
has
to
be
more
responsibility
on
the
part
of
the
riders
that
we
I
mean.
If
we
take
a
step,
they
need
to
take
a
step.
I
mean
things
like
safety
training
on
things
like
proper
operating
responsibility
and
those
kinds
of
things
have
to
be
a
part
of
it
as
well.
B
That
could
be
sponsored
by
the
manufacturers
so,
for
example,
that
shall
not
pop
a
wheelie
on
a
public
street.
I
mean
kind
of
commandments
of
responsible
bike
riding
and
you
should
do
it
on
a
park.
So
so
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
balance
that
with
opportunity
for
young
people
to
have
recreation,
but
also
young
people
having
responsibility
of
being
legal
learning
how
to
transport
these
vehicles
to
a
park
that
they
can
have
fun
and
often
learn
safety,
so
that
balance
coming
from
a
manufacturer
program
would
be
two-pronged.
C
J
Yeah
different
skills-
well,
sorry
about
that.
But
let
me
just
I
don't
want
to
get
it
into
my
bio,
but
I
think
my
bio
is
very
important
to
this
whole
matter.
I
was
classified
as
the
youngest
american
motorcycle
association
racer
at
five
years
old
back
in
the
early
70s
and
I've
raced
for
15
years,
and
now
I
race,
professionally
cars.
J
J
Sorry
about
that,
so
it
was
at
st
michael's
school
for
boys
and
it
was
mainly
inner
city,
inner
city,
children
and
young
adults
that
had
issues,
and
there
were
probably
50
to
75
and
we
ran
a
motorcycle
program
for
them
very
successfully,
but
it
wasn't
just
teaching
them
safety
and
how
to
ride.
Obviously,
we
had
issues,
it
was
more
teaching
them
the
mechanical
end
of
it
how
to
fix
the
bikes,
how
to
create
a
skill-
and
I
was
I
was
17
and
18
years
old
teaching
these.
J
J
How
I
see
this
coming
together
is
not
a
burden
on
the
city.
It's
it's
going
to
be
the
relief
valve
for
keeping
them
off
the
street,
but
more
so
creating
an
opportunity
for
them
and
bring
it
in
private
sector.
And
what
do
I
mean
there?
Everyone?
You
know.
A
few
of
you
talked
about
private
sector
funding,
yamaha,
and
so
on
that
that's
incredible
and
that's
wonderful.
How
about
local
facilities?
The
for
instance,
garage
or
building
manufacturers
give
them
some
sort
of
tax
break
where
they
build
a
building
on
the
facility?
J
Okay,
their
names
on
it
all
right,
but
that's
donated
by
them.
The
excavators
to
come
in
and
create
the
track.
Okay
or
a
riding
facility
give
them
recognition
some
sort
of
tax
break
okay.
So
it's
not
coming
out
of
the
revenue
of
the
city
directly,
it
will
in
tax
dollars,
but
that's
just
a
suggestion.
J
Would
create
a
more,
I
think,
a
more
of
a
community
all
all
around
also
having
people
that
with
mechanical
skills,
helping
the
children
too
helping
the
kids,
okay,
teaching
them
the
different
skills,
how
to
buy
and
sell
motorcycles
how
to
maintain
them?
How
to
the
mechanical
end,
track
maintenance
excavating
just
different
things
like
that,
maybe
not
make
it
a
free
facility
where
they
have
a
membership
fee.
Maybe
that
membership
fee
is
fifty
dollars
a
year,
okay,
but
something
that
they're
tied
into
on
top
of
maybe
showing
their
grades
in
school.
J
Okay.
So,
instead
of
a
fifty
dollar
membership,
if
they
maintain
a
75
average
or
an
80
average,
they
get
free
membership
so
now
you're
rewarding
them.
For
that
another
thing
I
I
found
not
disturbing
but
confusing,
because
I
looked
into
this
a
few
years
ago,
when
I
toured
the
facility
down
by
the
airport,
where
you
confiscated
the
bikes.
J
The
issue
is
that
a
lot
of
these
motorcycles
they're,
not
new
they're,
not
worth
two
thousand
dollars
so
you're,
finding
the
individuals
two
thousand
dollars
to
get
their
motorcycle
back,
it's
not
worth
it.
They
can
go
out
and
buy
one
for
eight
hundred
dollars,
a
thousand
dollars
and
replace
it.
So
that's
why
I
think
personally
you're
seeing
less
of
the
motorcycles
going
back
to
the
people
that
were
it
was
confiscated
from
so
instead
of
crushing
these
and
turning
them
into
dirt.
J
I
I
just
did
simple
math
with
a
low
retail
price
on
these
motorcycles,
and
I
came
up
with
about
200
000
dollars
in
revenue
just
from
the
sale
of
the
ones
that
were
being
crushed,
so
it
just
that
doesn't
make
sense,
but
that's
something
to
investigate.
But
again
you
don't
want
any
liability
and
I
think
the
the
philadelphia
would
be
relieved
of
that
liability
through.
As
you
know,
an
as-is
or
you
know
a
transaction
type
thing,
but
that's
something
to
think
about,
so
my
my
focus
would
be
the
way
I'm
looking
at.
J
This
is
having
private
organizations
come
in
and
donate
time
and
resources
to
build
these
and
have
multiple
tracks,
rather
than
just
one
one
site:
okay,
multiple
sites,
smaller
sites
that
the
children
and
the
young
adults
can
get
to-
and
that's
that's
where
I
am.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
here.
H
Thank
you,
andrew,
and
thank
you
for
your
testimony
and,
as
we
hear
this,
I
think
it
becomes
more
and
more
evident
that
you
know
there
is
a
way
to
work
through
this.
If
we
all
put
our
collective
heads
together
and
come
up
with
a
a
way
to
make
it
work.
Obviously
a
location
is
key.
Once
you
find
a
location
and
and
dedicate
that
location,
then
I
think
we
could
work
on
the
all.
H
Parts
but
again
not
sure-
and
you
know
when
we
talk
about
these
facilities-
that
you
know,
if
you
have
them
bikes
need
to
be
trailed
to
those
facilities.
People
can't
just
drive
up
through
the
city
to
them
and-
and
things
like
that,
and
that's
obviously
maybe
another
opportunity
for
employment
to
create
these
models.
But
do
you
do
you
see
the
possibility
of?
H
We
know
that
not
everybody's
going
to
go
to
the
track,
even
if
there's
a
membership
plan,
but
they
do
want
to
be
with
the
big
guys
they
want
to
be
with
the
guys
that
are
stars
and
the
guys
that
everybody
sees
we'll
still
need
some
type
of
enforcement
for
the
city
streets.
But
I
I
believe
by
doing
this,
you
would
then
decrease
the
number
of
riders
on
the
streets.
Do
you
see
that
as
the
same
or
no,
I
don't.
J
Know
if
we
lost
ten,
no,
I
think,
just
from
numbers
I
think
you're
going
to
have
if
you
make
it
a
rewarded
system,
you're
going
to
have
a
good
number
of
young
adults
going
towards
the
track
going
for
the
education
going
for
not
making
another
club
but
more
camaraderie,
and
that
it's
going
to
be
a
slow
process
to
to
wean
it
off.
But
I
think
you
would
see
a
tremendous
decrease
because
I've
I've
ridden
bikes
my
entire
life,
I've
raced
bikes.
J
Since
I'm
a
kid
and
all
my
parents
allowed
me
to
do
that,
but
there's
nothing
better
than
not
riding
on
the
streets.
Okay,
there
there's
something
about
having
a
park
or
a
place
to
go,
and
we
did
everything
we
could
to
get
there,
and
sometimes
that
was
right
there.
But
if
we
had
a
trailer
or
truck
we
would
we
would
haul
them
there,
but
that's
extremely
important
to
have
a
dedicated
place.
Okay,
you
going
out
and
riding
up
in
coal
country
and
and
seeing
the
the
beauty
and
riding
through
the
woods.
That's
that's
wonderful!.
E
J
You
understand
the
experience
or
some
of
you
under
understand
the
experience
of
and
joy
of
riding,
but
there's
there's
nothing
enjoyable,
enjoyable
about
riding
on
the
on
public
streets,
especially
in
crowded
streets.
So
I
would
see
a
gradual
attrition
to
this
into
the
parks.
But
it's
going
to
be
a
gradual
process
but
think
about
the
parents.
The
parents
contribution
to
this
meaning
in
for
pushing
the
children
to
go
to
this,
because
it's
not
just
go
and
ride
and
and
there
you'll
learn
safety.
J
It's
you're
going
to
learn
a
skill
that
you
could
take
out
in
in
the
in
the
streets
of
philadelphia
and
teach
other
kids
and
and
people
and
and
create
businesses
which
will
create
tax
revenue
and
so
on.
So
I
think
it's
an
ongoing
process,
but
it's
got
to
start
somewhere
and
maybe
you
start
with
one
small
facility
and
see
how
it
goes
and
then
gradually
work
your
way
up,
just
like
any
other
business.
C
G
Thank
you
for
your
time
again.
It
was
actually
for
mr
vitek,
mr
viatech.
I
totally
agree
with
what
you're
saying
as
far
as
the
tax
aspect
of
it
for
the
excavation
and
for
people
to
come
in
and
do
sponsorships
on
like
garages
and
things
like
that.
It
is
more
of
a
bigger
thing
than
just
writing
the
technical
skill
of
it,
the
educational
skill
of
it,
and
it
will
create
more
jobs
for
young
men
who
don't
want
to
attend
college
or
who,
who
maybe
wants
to
become
entrepreneurs.
G
G
I
got
a
rm80
and
I've
been
a
motorcycle
rider
ever
since
it
is
a
difference
between
riding
on
the
street
in
the
bike
is
made
for
dirt.
It
reacts
different
on
dirt,
and
then
there
is
a
controlled
environment
as
well
when
you're
riding
on
the
street
is
not
a
controlled
environment
and
anything
can
happen
at
any
time
because
the
bike
is
not
programmed
to
be
where
it
is
so
to
facilitate.
That
is,
is
definitely
a
dope
thing.
G
I
like
I
like
the
way
you
put
it
as
far
as
the
tax
purposes
for
the
city
of
philadelphia.
We
don't.
We
never
came
with
intentions
to
lean
on
the
city
to
make
something
happen
for
us
we're
trying
to
make
it
happen
for
ourselves,
but
with
retrospective,
the
city
condones
it
and
works
with
us
to
build
it.
That's
what
we're
really
looking
for.
B
R
S
S
S
I
have
a
few
notes
saying
that
the
this
coat
that
building
is
park
is
going
to
burn
and
burn
in
the
community
and
make
it
worse.
I
have
actually
already
experienced
having
the
park
already
by
bringing
riders
to
it.
If
there's
a
space
by
the
highway
that
I've
actually
had
multiple
riders,
maybe
200
to
250
riders
there
for
hours
throughout
throughout
the
day
riding
in
a
peaceful
place,
the
kids
were
there.
Even
some
of
the
veterans
came
in
and
I
took
note
that
they
they
came
here.
It
wasn't
just
willie's.
S
They
come
to
the
park
for
the
camaraderie
of
the
people.
That's
there
is
they?
Don't
they
don't
want
to
just
go
on
a
dirt
track
and
just
and
just
ride
and
jump
hills
they
want
to
be
in
a
place
where
they
can.
They
can
willy.
They
can
learn
how
to
really
there
and
they
can
be
around
people
who
are
extremely
popular
from
on
social
media.
That's
one
aspect
that
everyone
I've
heard
so
far
has
missed.
S
S
They
want
to
be
around
them,
but
you
put
them
in
an
area
with
people
with
high
influence
that
can
get
them
in
an
area
where
they
can
ride
safely.
They
will
it.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
money
you
have
it
doesn't
matter?
What,
like
even
people
like
to
say,
say
like
rappers,
some
rappers
don't
have
to
say
that
some
of
these
people
on
social
media
have
that
brought
bikes.
S
So
the
fact
that
we
can
get
them
here
and
not
only
have
them
here
but
run
the
whole
park
similar
to
a
a
motocross
track.
You
have
certain
days
where
certain
events
are
going
on.
You
have
certain
hours
throughout
the
day
where
only
certain
riders
arrive.
You
have
your
free
time.
You
have
your
days
where
people
or
where
young
children
get
a
chance
to
ride,
and
people
get
a
chance
to
film.
They
get
a
chance
to
create
blogs
people.
S
S
We
have
guys
that
do
vlogs
that
create
extremely
good
amount
of
money
through
vlogs,
just
from
cameras,
they
don't
have
to
ride
their
bikes,
be
recording
doing
mechanical
stuff,
like
I
believe
his
name
was
vic.
He
had
he
etcetera.
You
have
guys
who
get
sponsorships
from
clothing
just
from
riding
your
bike
or
being
around
doing
well
he's
in
a
park
doing
how
to
holler
willie
or
what
parts
of
the
bike
to
fix.
S
You
also
have
sponsors
from
helmets
gloves
masks
the
transportation
we
have
already
in
the
culture
there's
at
least
five
people.
I
know
right
now
that
have
businesses
every
weekend
just
to
transport
bikes
from
one
place
to
another.
Now
me
personally,
I
believe
that
is
the
good
method
and
that
they
will
already
like
me
to
do
now
fast
forward
to
the
the
negative
side.
S
I
know
for
a
fact
that
that
person
that
read
over
that
read
over
that
girl
was
very
young
and
inexperienced
he
came
out
early
because
he
wanted
to
be
around
everybody.
These
are
things
like
all
the
analytics
that
you
guys
show.
I
know
every
reason
why
things
dropped
why
things
got
bigger
for
one
instance,
motorcycles.
There
are
more
accidents
from
more
deaths
on
motorcycles,
because
a
lot
of
these
guys
have
the
opportunity
to
get
a
legal
illegal
license
to
go
ride,
the
guys
on
the
dirt
bikes.
S
They
learn
their
things
just
going
if
they're
not
they're,
not
legal,
but
they
learn
how
to
maneuver
at
a
young
age,
they're
highly
skilled,
so
because
they're
because
they're
illegal,
they
know
how
to
move
through
traffic
differently,
they're
less
accidents,
but
I
still
tell
these
guys
you
have
to
ride
safely.
We
get
on
each
other,
stay
off
the
sidewalk.
Stop
running
lights,
stop
doing
these
things!
These
things
are
all
documented.
On
my
page
now
we
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
respect
for
the
police
department.
S
S
I
noticed
the
the
growth
and
the
culture
and
how
disturbing
it
was
to
the
community.
So
I
found
ways
I
basically
infiltrated
the
whole
structure.
I
found
ways
to
get
in
to
get
a
better
understanding
and
connected
with
the
people
to
find
ways
to
real
them
out
of
it
to
make
it
more
positive
to
make
fun
with
it.
S
S
A
helicopter
came
in
like
a
like,
an
airstrike
cops
came
in
and
they
took
52
bikes,
don't
matter
if
we
were
riding
on
the
streets
or
not,
we
were
there
in
a
parking
lot.
We
had
I
put
tires
out
there,
so
the
guys
can
go
safely
one
way
and
the
other
way
we
have
barbecue
out
there.
There
are
response
from
the
kids
arrived.
S
So
this
is
when,
when
those
bikes
got
confiscated,
most
of
those
bikes
were
legal.
They
had
titles
everything
for
me
they
didn't
care,
they
took
them.
The
news
did
not
cover
that.
I
was
extremely
upset.
I
have
have
so
much
footage
of
cops
chasing
us,
so
much
footage,
but
my
goal
was
to
not
put
that
out.
I
do
not
want
to
make
officers.
Look
back.
My
goal
was
to
find
peace
and
to
find
the
common
ground
and
understanding.
S
I
got
chills
now
thinking
about
it.
It's
like
I'm
so
passionate
about
this
culture
that
you
guys
don't
understand.
I've
been
there
look.
I
got
shot
point
blank
range
here.
The
bullet
came
out
here.
First
thing
out
two
months
later.
First
thing
I
did
was
go
back
to
atl
to
get
on
the
bike,
because
I
wanted
to
be
around
my
family.
S
You
guys
wanna
make
money
from
it.
I
know
ways
to
do
it.
That's
not
my
motive,
but
I
got
a
hundred
different
ways
to
make
money
from
just
being
in
that
part,
there's
about
three
to
four
different
areas:
affiliate
that
can
easily
be
used,
but
you
have
to
have
the
right
person
to
do
it.
It
hasn't
worked
before
because
you
guys
don't
have
someone
like
me
that
has
experienced
the
culture.
B
C
O
O
You
can
understand
why
recklessness
of
any
kind
can
threaten
not
only
our
goals,
but
the
health
and
safety
of
those
who
utilize
the
corridor
and-
and
I
myself
have
witnessed
reckless
behavior
of
atv
drivers
along
north
road
street.
With
that
said,
I
also
recognize
that
this
is
indeed
a
part
of
philly's
culture
and
it
should
not
be
just
simply
disregarded
or
written
off
as
a
nuisance
or
a
menace
for
many
of
the
writers
it
serves
as
recreation.
O
This
can
generate
millions
for
the
city
and
there's
no
reason
why
a
city
like
philadelphia
that
has
one
of
that's
one
of
the
top
tourist
destinations
in
the
world
shouldn't
provide
this
experience
for
operators,
visitors
and
expand
residents,
and
so
I
do
think
we
have
an
opportunity
here
for
the
city.
As
I
listen
to
the
testimonies
and
the
needs
I
do
I
I
was
thinking
you
know.
Is
there
a
location
on
north
broad
that
can
host
the
indoor
park?
I'm
not
sure.
O
Of
course,
this
is
a
conversation
that
will
have
to
include
the
community,
but
as
as
we
think
of
this
proposed
arts
and
culture
district
along
the
corridor.
I
wonder
if
there's
a
location
that
could
house
that
I
also
wonder
and
listening
to
the
last
gentleman's
testimony,
kenny's
indoor
parks
and
I
listened
to
the
police
testimony
as
well,
and
I
hear
a
lot
about
reaction
to
illegal
bike
riders,
but
anything
about
prevention.
I
wonder:
can
these
indoor
parks
serve
as
a
prevention
method
to
deter
illegal
on
street
riding?
O
I
if
you're
quote
on
the
street
you're
banned
from
participating
in
these
indoor
atv
activities?
So
again
you
have
my
testimony.
I
know
time
is
of
the
essence
right
now.
I
too
have
to
make
myself
available
to
another
meeting.
So
thank
you
again
for
allowing
me
to
present.
Thank
you
all
for
your
testimonies
and
thank
you
to
the
council,
people's
the
council.
People
for
holding
this
and
I'll
accept
any
questions.
If
there
are
any
well.
B
L
L
Recently,
we
have
been
able
to
do
outdoor
dining
thanks
to
the
diligent
work
of
the
city
of
philadelphia
in
making
street
closures
possible
for
outdoor
dining,
just
to
understand
the
impact
of
the
food
economy
in
philadelphia.
We
employ
12
percent
of
the
city
workforce
18
of
all,
businesses
in
philadelphia
are
in
the
food
economy
and
we
account
for
66.3
million
dollars
in
wage
tax
alone.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
Unfortunately,
at
that
time
september
5th
the
police
department
were
being
needed
were
needed
in
other
parts
of
the
city
due
to
various
protest
activities
and
other
situations,
so
we
never
had
any
form
of
response
from
the
police
department.
During
that
that
occasion
we
don't
know
what
the
best
solution
is,
but
we
do
know
that
this
particular
situation
causes
harm
to
another
revenue
stream.
That
is
quite
large
for
the
city
of
philadelphia,
when
diners
do
not
feel
that
they
can
do
so
safely,
especially
in
our
current
outdoor
dining
scenario.
L
They
don't
come
and
13th
street
in
center
city
is
really
philadelphia's
main
restaurant
row
there's
no
other
place
that
has
the
density
of
these
businesses.
So
we
would
urge
the
city,
council
and
city
officials
to
look
at
all
possible
options
for
other
outlets
and
other
forms
of
simply
protecting
pedestrian
and
diners
during
this
challenging
time.
For
us,
we
are
struggling
as
it
is.
We
are
desperately
struggling
and
having
safety
concerns
with
gun.
Violence
is
one
issue,
but
this
comes
right
into
our
backyard.
If
you
will
regularly
so,
please
consider
all
possible
options.
K
B
K
K
I
some
of
you
may
confront
this
in
your
daily
lives.
Some
of
you
may
not
what
jay
just
described
happens
in
our
area.
Almost
every
night
recently
I
watched
a
mother
and
child
a
child
in
the
stroller
being
driven
literally
pushed
off
the
south
street
sidewalk,
not
the
street,
the
sidewalk
along
the
side
of
the
acme
at
10th
and
south.
This
is
a
nearly
daily
occurrence.
K
We
cannot
tell
you
more
clearly
and
passionately
as
citizens
that
this
is
happening
on
the
sidewalks
on
the
median
strips
all
over
our
area,
which
is
the
avenue
of
the
arts
area
in
in
general.
Sadly,
for
those
who
don't
know,
last
night,
we
lost
a
philadelphia
teenager
to
a
dirt
bike
death,
a
dirt
bike
death
in
germantown.
This
was
just
reported
recently
on
the
news,
and
this
kind
of
I
don't
know
how
often
this
happened,
but
the
terrified
feeling
that
we
who
live
in
these
villages,
these
neighborhoods,
that
we're
so
proud
of.
K
We
feel
it
all
the
time
I
mean
we're
afraid
when
we
hear
the
noise
starting,
we
move
to
the
sides
of
buildings
because
we
don't
know
what's
coming,
not
off
the
streets
but
up
the
sidewalks,
sometimes
at
two
in
the
morning,
with
these
modified
muffler
systems,
just
blaring
music,
I
have
triple
window
panes,
where
I
lift
triple
window
panes
a
sound
machine
and
earplugs
and
the
building
which
is
symphony
house.
It's
pretty
good
building
vibrates
when
these
guys
come
by.
So
a
couple
of
quick
comments,
I
just
one
word
that's
been
filtering
through.
K
K
K
Having
walked
in
this
village
for
50
years
about
35
of
the
riders
are
not
black,
they
are
white
often
hard
to
tell,
but
I've
learned
how
to
look
at
their
hands
because
they're
wearing
helmets
and
nowadays
mass.
This
is
not
just
a
black
youth
issue.
There
are
a
lot
of
white
folks
and
I
think
it's
unfair
to
the
black
community
and
to
the
black
riders
that
it
be
labeled
just
a
black
cultural
issue.
This
is
a
this
crosses
a
lot
of
demographics.
I
think
that's
important.
I
had
not
known
much
about
this
other
option.
K
You
know
a
park
with
a
commercial
connection
and
as
a
citizen,
it's
very
exciting
to
think
of
that.
I'm
a
business
person
by
nature,
but
to
think
of
the
city
engaging
with
some
of
the
commercial
interests
to
make
this
a
really
a
tourist
attraction
and
a
safe
place
for
riders
to
ride
is
a
is
a
wonderful
idea
and
as
you
folks,
our
leaders
may
move
towards
that.
We
would
ask
something
include
a
citizen
or
two
in
what
alan
I'm
sorry
cancer,
the
council
member,
dom
called
the
working
group.
Let
the
citizens
be
part
of
this.
K
Sometimes
I
think
our
leaders,
many
of
whom
are
on
this
hearing,
lose
connection
with
the
daily
reality.
Us
citizens,
voters
and
taxpayers
face
out
on
the
street.
Let
us
be
part
of
this
solution,
please.
My
last
comment:
I
promise,
I
know
we're
coming
up
on
lunchtime.
We
all
get
hungry,
whether
we're
on
council
or
not,
is
that
we
often
hear
the
term
ride
culture.
K
K
By
the
way
we
don't.
We
need
to
look
at
street
engineering
solutions.
We
need
to
look
at
enforcement
and
if
a
park
comes
to
fruition,
it
must
come
with
strict
street
enforcement
and
there
are
ways
that
there
are
absolutely
ways
to
do
that.
So
please,
as
a
citizen
as
a
resident
of
51
years
as
a
business
owner,
please
please
protect
the
walk
culture.
Also
thanks
for
letting
me
be
here
tonight.
B
R
Sally
sally
gorhoff,
I
live
in
center
city
one
year
abroad
in
spruce
near
the
kimmel
center,
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
allowing
rick
and
me
to
come
to
the
meeting
today.
I'm
really
impressed
by
everyone's
testimony.
I've
learned
a
lot.
You
know
back
in
may
where
it
seems
that
assistant
commissioner
dales
mentioned
that
back
in
may.
Looking
at
his
charts,
that's
when
a
lot
of
this
activity
started
on
an
accelerated
basis
and
at
that
time
I
just
at
the
cuff,
started
a
petition.
People
were
complaining
about
it.
R
I
started
a
petition
that
maybe
some
of
you
have
signed
or
seen
and
right
now
there
are
2725
signatures
on
that
petition.
All
residents
most
of
them,
are
coming
from
the
side
that
rick
and
I
are
on
we're
the
residents.
It's
disturbing
we're
waking
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
Some
of
us
have
called
9-1-1,
but
the
thing
I
want
to
emphasize
because
I
you
know
after
you
know
it's
been
four
months:
I've
I've
seen
articles
in
the
paper
I've
read
recently.
R
So
I
mean
basically
that's
where
I'm
coming
from,
but
I
want
you
to
know
that
I
do
understand
all
sides
now
I
realize
where
the
bikers
are
coming
from.
I
don't
know
if
an
atv
park
of
any
kind
will
eliminate
the
chaos
that's
going
on
in
the
city.
Sometimes
I
think-
and
the
police
have
also
mentioned
to
me-
that
some
of
the
writers
just
really
want
to
create
chaos.
R
So
I
and
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
totally
stop,
but
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
you
need
to
do
as
a
group
is
to
let
the
residents
know
that
you're
actually
actively
working
on
this
issue,
because
the
comments
that
I
receive
and
I
was
going
to
read
some
of
them
today
and
I
know
we're
short
of
time.
But
basically,
what
people
are
saying
is
you
know
it's
a
safety
and
noise
issue
they're
on
the
streets,
they're
challenged
by
the
bikers.
You
know
you
can't
say
anything
to
them.
R
R
These
bike
parks
aren't
going
to
suddenly
materialize
by
the
end
of
the
year
or
by
next
summer,
but
I
think
people
need
to
know
that
you're
working
on
them
and
I
also
want
to
commend
the
police,
even
though
some
people
do
not
agree
with
the
bike,
confiscation
and
so
forth.
I
don't
know
that
I
totally
agree
with
it
either,
but
right
now
I
don't
think
there's
a
lot
of
other
resources
for
this.
R
R
So
I
guess
basically
that's
mostly
when
I
wanted
to
say
I'm
glad
that
you
brought
some
people
from
the
bike
community
to
the
table.
That
was
something
that
I
thought
was
missing
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
respect.
I
started
this
petition.
I
had
absolutely
no
idea
what
would
happen
if
anyone
would
even
do
anything
if
anyone
was
listening,
but
I
found
out
that
people.
B
B
We
are
in
this
together
that
the
young
man,
mr
zaza,
I
watched,
grow
up
to
be
a
fine
young
man
and
his
passion
for
it.
I
believe
that
with
remember
dom's
leadership
that
we
can
find
public
private
partnerships
that
won't
solve
the
problem
altogether,
but
will
address
it
and
in
some
way,
moving
in
the
right
direction.
So
I'm
really
thankful
for
your
testimony
today
and
we
are
listening.
Thank.
B
F
C
E
Am
I
off
mute
now?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
I'm
harriet
williams.
I
live
in
a
high-rise
building
overlooking
the
art
museum
in
the
parkway.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
testify
about
safety
and
noise
issues
on
the
parkway
around
nikon's
oval
and
at
the
art
museum.
It's
hard
to
watch
what
is
happening
on
a
daily
basis
at
philadelphia's,
most
iconic
location,
most
evenings
large
numbers
of
motorcycles,
often
speeding
cars,
some
atvs,
but
not
a
majority
atvs
race
around
the
entire
neighborhood.
I
cannot
tell
you
if
there
are
dirt
bikes
in
the
mix.
E
I
just
I
can't
what
they
do.
Is
they
race
in
groups
they
ignore
traffic
lights.
They
go
up
the
parkway
circling
eakins
oval
in
front
of
the
art
museum,
continuing
up
kelly
drive
for
a
short
while
it's
incredibly
dangerous
in
addition
to
street
speeding
on
the
street
motorcycles
now
fly
up
on
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
art
museum
coming
within
inches
of
pedestrians.
We
have
endless
video
footage
for
you
by
the
way
which
I'm
happy
to
share.
They
also
sometimes
drive
up
and
down
the
art
museum
stairs.
E
There
are
evenings
when
we've
counted
over
60
motorcycles
at
the
same
time
on
the
sidewalk
in
between
pedestrians
right
by
the
rocky
statue.
This
is
inevitably
going
to
lead
to
a
serious
accident.
There
have
been
several
crashes,
including
a
fatal
accident
on
the
parkway
and
other
crashes
at
the
start
of
kelly
drive
it's
motorcycles
and
speeding
cars.
E
The
first
one
is,
we
need
red
light
cameras
along
the
parkway
and
at
econs
conservative
would
go
a
long
way
to
calming
the
problem,
because
the
area
will
become
much
less
appealing
to
motorcycles
and
cars.
I
know
it
won't
get
atvs,
but
the
majority
of
vehicles
are
our
licensed
vehicles.
If
they
can
get
tickets,
they
will
stop
coming.
We
hope
that
city
council
can
make
installation
of
these
lights
a
priority.
We've
not
gotten
very
far.
Otherwise.
E
Calling
is
not
a
police
are
stretched,
as
you
know,
by
endless
crimes
and
problems
they
respond,
but
not
immediately.
The
motorcycles
have
learned
the
police
vehicles
do
come,
they
stay
only
for
short
time.
The
motorcycles
come
right
back,
we're
hoping
that
you
don't
focus
this
just
on
atvs,
although
that
is
very
serious,
but
motorcycles
and
racing
cars
are
not
less
of
a
problem
for
us
and
it
is
ruining
the
area.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
I
appreciate
being
able
to
testify.
I
will
send
you
copies
of
what
I've
just
said.
E
C
B
B
M
M
Okay,
I
live
at
the
southwest
corner
of
broad
and
lombard
and
I
can
state
without
exception
that
racing
up
and
down
broad
street
for
the
past
six
months
has
significantly
impacted
my
quality
of
life.
We
posted
a
notice
about
this
hearing
on
the
ccra
website
and
asked
our
members
to
come
and
about
this
issue
and
tell
us
their
concerns.
The
response
was
overwhelming.
M
We
heard
from
members
living
in
high-rise
buildings
and
in
single-family
homes
throughout
our
catchment.
All
respondents
stated
emphatically
that
this
issue
has
negatively
impacted
their
quality
of
life.
I
would
like
to
read
some
of
the
responses.
Briefly
one
person
moving
from
new
york
city,
I
never
expected
to
not
be
able
to
enjoy
my
home
indoors.
This
would
never
fly
in
new
york
de
blasio
stated
publicly.
If
you
ride
an
atv,
it
will
be
confiscated
and
crushed
mayor
kennedy
seems
to
turn
his
head,
allowing
these
troublemakers
to
terrorize
people
on
the
streets.
M
Another
respondent
I
cannot
enjoy
eating
out
in
the
summer
seems
like
the
riders
have
more
rights
and
sympathy
from
the
mayor
than
we
do.
The
citizens
who
paid
to
live
here
comment
from
a
resident
at
the
ritz
carlton.
If
this
were
happening
in
any
suburban
town
square,
it
would
not
be
tolerated,
the
offenders
would
be
arrested
and
their
vehicles
impounded.
M
M
Most
of
these
bikes
are
illegal
for
street
use
and
again
riding
to
the
to
the
park
will
cause
the
same
noise
disturbance.
And,
quite
honestly,
these
riders
want
to
make
a
noise.
They
don't
want
to
race,
go
to
the
park.
They
want
our
streets
to
be
their
race.
Fights.
Also
importantly,
speed.
Bumps
are
not
the
answer.
Instead
of
bikers
keeping
us
up
all
night,
we
will
be
assaulted
with
a
constant
thump,
thump,
24
7
of
every
car,
suv
and
trunk
truck
going
over
the
speed
bumps.
M
Unfortunately,
the
only
way
to
combat
these
riders
is
with
manpower
in
person
on
the
streets
and
at
the
gathering
points
by
either
issuing
tickets
or
confiscating
bikes.
Without
fixing
this
issue,
we
are
looking
at
taxpayers
moving
out
of
the
city,
new
residents,
thinking
twice
about
moving
to
the
city
and
business
and
tax
revenue
suffering
the
consequences.
C
C
I
B
E
E
B
E
B
B
C
T
T
My
husband
and
I
live
in
fairmount
and
we
really
see
a
great
deal
of
atvs
dirt,
bikes,
motorcycles
and
hot
rod,
cars
from
our
windows.
We
are
finding
this
very,
very
distressful.
We
cannot
shut
the
noise
out
of
our
apartment,
it's
impossible
to
sleep
on
many
nights
and
since
we
are
semi-quarantined
from
covid
we
can.
T
We
only
can
walk
in
the
park
nearby,
so
we
feel
trapped
and
a
little
bit
helpless
and
unable
to
enjoy
any
piece
at
all
because
even
in
the
park
along
kelly
drive
with
the
thousands
of
other
philadelphians
who
spend
time
in
the
park
we
which,
by
the
way,
has
been
increasing
since
cove
tremendously,
and
we
find
no
peace
there
either.
The
noise
is
deafening
day
and
night
into
the
early
hours
of
morning.
T
I
can
see
these
drivers
here's
what
I've
seen
they
come
in
groups,
they
rev
their
engines
and
they
change
gears
and
race,
especially
at
the
traffic
lights
along
against
oval
kelly
drive,
25th
street
and
kelly
drive,
fairmount
avenue,
kelly
drive
and
poplar
drive
in
kelly
drive.
They
run
the
red
lights
and
they're
jeopardizing
the
safety
of
thousands
of
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
there.
Atvs
and
dirt
bikes
are
performing
tricks
on
the
roads
in
front
of
the
art
museum.
T
Well,
I've
learned
a
lot
today,
but
first
I
would
say
no
until
you
provide
solutions
for
the
full
noise
and
safety
issues,
because
the
noise
is
not
only
from
illegal
atvs
and
dirt
bikes.
It's
also
due
to
illegally
altered
or
installed
or
possibly
missing,
mufflers
on
any
type
of
vehicle,
whether
it's
a
motorcycle
or
an
automobile,
wherever
a
dedicated
place
is
located.
How
will
we
be
certain
that
drivers
will
not
be
subjecting
neighborhoods
to
their
noise
just
getting
to
and
from
that
site
and
what
neighborhood
is
going
to
want
that
noisy
arena?
T
How
can
and
will
the
drivers
pay
for
access
to
this
facility
public
funds
to
develop
and
maintain
such
a
facility
need
to
be
spent
on
the
other
recreational
needs
in
philadelphia's,
neighborhoods
and
parks,
and
I
think
that
while
much
has
been
done
with
the
police
and
streets
department
and
city
council
members
collaborating
we're
not
seeing
tangible
results
yet
here
they
installed
rumble
strips
and
that
has
not
reduced
the
traffic
of
loud
vehicles
and
it
hasn't
slowed
them
down
either.
In
fact,
it's
just
made
more
rumbling
noises
for
us.
What
do
I
support?
T
I
would
support
you
continuing
to
enforce
the
laws
against
unlicensed
vehicles
and
altered
mufflers.
This
is
a
citywide
concern.
Obviously,
we've
heard
that
today,
and
that
makes
it
a
priority,
so
get
film
and
sound
recordings
for
these
locations
and
learn
where
and
when
and
how
to
get
your
remedies
in
place,
identify
where
and
how
the
vehicles
are
being
sold
and
altered
to
help
with
enforcement
increase
the
fines
and
penalties
for
illegal
vehicles,
and
especially
for
noise
violations
for
legal
vehicles.
Those
penalties
are
not
adequate.
B
C
Q
Can
you
hear
me
now
much
better?
Okay,
I
would
like
to
submit
my
statement
to
samantha
because
I
I've
been
on
since
9
30
and
I
feel
very
much
much
much
more
informed
with
hearing
all
the
perspectives
of
the
people
that
are
involved
in
this.
I
like
harriet,
live
in
the
philadelphian
on
the
parkway
and
she
did
a
very
good
job
at
capturing
the
sentiment
of
all
the
residents
in
the
philadelphia
and
the
public
safety
issue.
But
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
we've
had
thefts
and
vandalism
in
the
area
too.
Q
Q
So
I
would
think
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
the
people
that
took
the
time
to
stay
on
this
phone
on
this
hearing
all
this
time
that
they
could
be
included
in
future
discussions
as
to
the
direction
you
guys
are
going
into
with
this
issue,
because
when
you
think
back
that
it
hasn't
been
brought
up
in
eight
years
and
things
have
escalated,
we
can
only
try
to
work
more
collectively
together.
So
I
don't
want
to
go
over.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
Samantha
has
been
extremely
patient
council
mint
jones.
B
L
We've
observed
riders,
ignoring
traffic
rules
going
through
red
lights,
racing
riding
against
traffic
and
riding
on
sidewalks.
A
number
of
other
people
have
testified,
but
in
addition
to
safety,
concerns
for
the
riders
and
other
motorists
and
pedestrians,
the
noise
level
from
these
vehicles
is
very
disruptive,
particularly
during
the
late
night
hours.
When
we're
trying
to
sleep.
L
The
proximity
of
our
development
to
the
speedway
station
makes
this
especially
problematic
for
us.
Since
the
atvs
come
to
the
station
to
refuel.
In
fairness,
it's
not
just
atvs.
There
are
also
street
legal
motorcycles
and
automobiles
that
congregate
at
the
speedway
late
at
night.
The
sound
of
rubbing
engines,
most
of
which
thoroughly
exceed
the
decibel
limits
of
the
city.
L
Several
or
my
neighbors
have
repeatedly
called
911
complain
persist.
We
realize
there's
a
certain
noise
level
that
comes
with
living
in
a
city,
but
there
are
limits,
especially
at
night.
There
are
ordinances
in
place
to
limit
nuisance
noise,
but
in
our
opinion
they
are
not
being
adequately
enforced.
L
With
regard
to
an
atv
park,
our
residents
support
the
idea
and
concept
of
creating
a
place
where
riders
can
go
to
safely
enjoy
their
vehicles.
I
rode
dirt
bikes
in
my
younger
days,
so
I
get
the
attraction
but,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
there
are
several
logistical
issues
that
must
be
addressed,
most
importantly
to
us:
how
will
the
riders
get
their
vehicles
to
the
park
if
they're
allowed
to
ride
their
atvs
to
the
park?
L
Having
heard
the
testimony
of
mr
walls
earlier,
I
think
I
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
culture,
and
perhaps
there
are
leaders
in
the
culture
who
can
positively
influence
newer
riders
when
it
comes
to
safety.
In
any
case,
we
feel
strongly
that
strict
enforcement
should
not
be
contingent
on
creating
a
park.
L
Well,
we
appreciate
the
efforts
of
the
philadelphia
police
department
and
the
attention
brought
to
the
issue
by
this
committee.
Our
group
is
tired
and
increasingly
frustrated
by
the
ongoing
problem.
Many
of
us
are
new
to
center
city.
We
were
excited
to
move
into
a
city,
we
love,
but,
to
be
honest,
some
of
us
are
now
questioning
whether
it
was
a
good
decision
and
if
we
want
to
stay,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
express
these
concerns.
B
A
Yeah,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you,
chairman
jones,
and
thank
everyone
who
testified
today
and
all
my
colleagues
who
participated
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
great
information
that
came
out
and
I'm
hopeful
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward
with
this
working
group
and
I'm
I'm
going
to
do
everything
possible.
I
know
my
colleagues
will.
A
I
think
this
idea
of
a
atv
park
is
a
really
good
idea
and
we
should
have
one
in
the
city,
so
I'm
committed
to
seeing
that
through-
and
I
appreciate
your
leadership
on
this
also
chairman
jones,
so,
and
and
also
council
members,
aswella,
parker
and
and
johnson
and
and
all
the
other
colleagues
and
councilmember
gilmore
richardson
too,
and
councilmember
gaultier.
So
thank
everybody
and
let's,
let's
try
to
make
this
a
reality
in
the
city.
Thank
you.
E
E
B
Well,
I'ma
take
this
opportunity,
then,
to
thank
everyone
that
participated
and
gave
testimony,
and
I
want
to
thank
all
members
of
council.
I
want
to
thank
ms
williams
for
putting
together
a
a
solid
hearing
on
this
subject
matter
and
with
that,
are
there
any
others
to
testify
hearing
none?
This
concludes
the
committee
on
public
safety
and
thank
you
all
for
your
participation.