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From YouTube: Committee on the Environment 5-24-2018
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The Committee on the Environment of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Thursday, May 24, 2018 to hear testimony on the following item:
180234 An Ordinance amending Title 21 of The Philadelphia Code, entitled "Miscellaneous," by creating a new Chapter 21-2600, entitled "Environmental Impact Statements," to provide for the preparation of such statements in connection with Council legislation; all under certain terms and conditions.
Committee on the Environment
Chair: Councilwoman Blondell Reynolds Brown (At Large)
Vice Chair: Councilwoman Cindy Bass (8th District)
A
Good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
we
are
delighted
that
we
have
a
quorum.
The
City
Council
Committee
on
the
environment
is
now
in
a
public
hearing
to
hear
testimony
on
build
number
one.
Eight,
oh
two,
three
four
please
and
welcome
council
members
out:
Alton
Berger,
Councilwoman,
Janie,
blackwell,
councilman,
Derrick,
green
and
myself
serving
as
chair
of
this
committee.
We
will
now
ask
the
clerk
to
read
the
title
of
bill
number
one
802
three
for
an.
C
A
While
we
call
it
the
first
panel
with
miss
Lynn
Robeson
and
also
with
the
clean
air
council
leadership
Logan
wheeled
a
well,
please
pronounce
that
well
Dee.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I'm
going
to
ask.
Forgive
me:
I
need
to
start
with
the
administration,
so
let's
have
the
administration
first,
director
of
the
mayor's
office
of
sustainability,
to
be
followed
by
Logan,
well
Dee
and
Lynn.
Robinson
I
want
to
say
good
afternoon
to
my
colleagues
and
I'm,
going
to
thank
everyone
who
stepped
away
from
their
desk
to
help
us
create
a
quorum
this
afternoon.
A
I
would
be
remiss
always
not
the
first
day.
Thank
you
to
the
administration
for
the
partnership
my
staff
has
enjoy
and
continues
to
enjoy,
with
the
mayor's
legislative
team
and
the
leadership
of
the
office
of
sustainability.
Now
more
than
ever.
Of
course,
we
must
continue
to
work
to
build
and
develop
strong
initiatives
that
will
contribute
continue
to
contribute
in
a
responsible,
even
way,
healthier,
safer
and
more
sustainable
environments
for
our
families.
A
Here
in
the
city,
the
EPA
reports
that
the
United
States
accounts
for
5%
of
the
world's
population
and
22%
of
the
world's
carbon
emissions
that
contribute
to
greenhouse
effect,
climate
change
and
other
environmental
concerns
are
inherently
linked
to
the
public
health,
food
and
water
security
of
our
citizens.
Therefore,
taking
a
proactive
approach
and
standing,
the
effects
of
environmental
concerns
are
necessary.
On
March
the
15th
of
this
year,
my
office
introduced
bill
number
one,
eight,
oh
two,
three
four
that
will
create
an
environmental
impact
statement.
A
This
e
is:
is
a
document
prepared
to
describe
the
effects
for
proposed
activities
on
the
environment
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
while
not
a
perfect
document,
it
shall
be
prepared
for
any
pendant
ordinance
upon
the
request
of
any
member
of
the
fall
office.
City
Council.
The
purpose
of
the
legislation
is
to
ensure
that
council
members
are
given
adequate
resources
necessary
to
better
understand
the
impacts
that
a
proposed
legislation
may
have
on
the
quality
of
life
here
in
our
city,
with
extreme
proposed
federal
cuts
to
the
EPA.
A
If
it
has
become
increasingly
imperative
that
the
environmental
community
and
all
office
seek
to
do
all,
we
can
in
a
responsible
and
reasonable
way,
given
but
tight
budget
constrictions
what
we
can
do
to
protect
the
air
have
pure
water,
along
with
a
beautiful
aesthetic
environment.
A
copy
of
technical
amendments
have
been
circulated
in
the
end,
everyone
must
recognize
what
matters
most
the
priority
of
our
citizens,
the
health
and
safety
of
our
families
and
our
children.
A
D
Afternoon:
Thank
You
chairwoman,
Reynolds
Brown
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
Kristine
Knapp
I'm,
director
of
the
Office
of
Sustainability.
Thank
you
for
providing
the
opportunity
to
have
testimony
on
bill
number
one:
eight
zero,
two:
three
four
and
Thank
You
Councilwoman
for
your
continuing
leadership
and
support
for
sustainability
efforts
in
Philadelphia.
The
office
of
sustainability
is
responsible
for
the
implementation
of
green
works,
a
vision
for
a
sustainable
Philadelphia,
which
is
the
city's
plan
to
create
a
healthy,
equitable
and
sustainable
City
for
all
Philadelphians.
D
The
plan
includes
action
on
air
food,
energy,
climate
change,
natural
resources,
waste
transportation
and
economic
opportunity,
while
the
office
of
sustainability
plays
the
central
coordinating
role
for
city
government,
we
also
work
closely
with
numerous
other
partners
to
advance
progress.
Other
city
departments
and
agencies,
nonprofits
academic
institutions,
community
groups
and
City
Council
members
are
all
important
stakeholders
that
help
implement
programs
and
policies
that
advance
our
vision.
To
that
end,
bill
number
one:
eight
zero.
D
Two
three
four
gives
city
council
a
more
explicit
role
in
advancing
sustainability
by
creating
the
opportunity
for
council
members
to
request
an
environmental
impact
statement
in
relation
to
certain
city
ordinances.
The
statement
would
enable
the
office
of
sustainability
in
partnership
with
relevance,
other
city
agencies,
to
review
the
proposed
legislation
and
analyze
how
it
might
help
or
hurt
the
city
meet
our
sustainability
goals.
This
information
will
then
be
shared
with
council
members
to
inform
their
decision-making.
D
Regarding
that
specific
ordinance,
we
feel
this
legislation
will
help
to
empower
City,
Council
members
with
information
and
will
help
to
ensure
the
sustainability
goals
of
the
city
are
given
thoughtful
consideration
in
the
legislative
process.
For
this
reason,
I
am
pleased
to
support
bill
number
one
zero,
one,
eight
zero,
two
three
four
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
any.
A
Questions
for
the
witness
this
witness
the
administration.
Well,
we
thank
you,
the
leadership
of
the
office
of
sustainability,
and
we
thank
you
for
working
with
our
office
in
tandem
to
craft,
a
piece
of
legislation
that
is
not
perfect,
but
moves
us
closer
to
what
we
can
do
in
a
reasonable
way,
given
our
tight
budget
constraints.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
A
B
B
Thank
you
all
right.
So
this
is
about
bill
number
one,
eight,
zero,
two,
three,
four,
it's
a
good-looking
ordinance
except
for
two
aspects
which
could
be
fatal
flaws
quote
unquote.
If
not
corrected.
These
aspects
are
number
five
at
the
end
and
the
one
other
major
repeating
directive,
which
threatens
separation
of
legislative
and
executive
powers.
B
We
have
needed
an
ordinance
similar
to
this
and
could
have
avoided
SEPTA's
attempt
to
operate
a
polluting
gas
power
plant
project,
a
nice
town
with
simply
Exhibit
A
section,
one
which
reads
provide
an
overview
of
the
purpose
and
need
for
the
proposed
legislation.
You
know
proposed
I
mean
giving
need
for
a
project
should
be
the
first
thing
that
the
city
demands
and
I'm
glad
it's
number
one.
B
This
means
that
at
the
discretion
of
Council
as
a
whole
or
at
the
discretion
of
a
district
council
member,
any
private
company
or
public
utility
can
negotiate
to
skirt
an
environmental
impact
statement
for
a
polluting
project
in
a
Philadelphia
neighborhood
number
five
is
an
obvious
loophole
and
openly
invites
trade-offs
between
public
health
and
whatever
can
be
offered
to
council
to
create
a
quid
pro
quo.
This
type
of
loophole
is
called
corruption.
Please
strike
number
five
from
the
language
of
the
bill.
B
If
I'm
misinterpreting
the
intent
of
that
language-
and
it
is
not
intended
as
a
loophole,
then
the
language
needs
refining
so
that
council,
person
or
polluter
or
lawyer
in
the
future
will
misinterpret
it.
The
fatal
fall
and
fatal
flaw
and
bill
number
one.
Eight
zero.
Two
three
four
needs
to
be
removed
in
order
for
the
bill
to
have
any
teeth
and
actually
be
utilized
evenly
and
fairly.
The
other
issue
is
separation
of
legislative,
executive
and
judicial
powers.
If
I
understand
the
language
correctly,
environmental
impact
statements
are
to
be
forwarded
to
the
director
of
sustainability.
B
If
that
means
the
mayor's
office
of
sustainability,
then
we
have
a
problem
of
merging
the
separate
parts
of
our
democratic
process.
City
Council
needs
its
own
measuring
stick
for
sustainability,
perhaps
fashioned
from
the
environmental
groups
in
this
city,
which
function
because
their
constituents
volunteer
their
time
or
make
them
to
make
them
functional
and,
while
others
have
salary
positions
in
those
environmental
groups.
So
please
keep
a
clear
line
between
legislative
and
executive
branches
in
this
ordinance.
In
summary,
please
make
this
bill
truly
protective
of
the
city
environment
with
no
wiggle
room.
B
If
this
ordinance
cannot
be
made,
retroactive
Council
will
need
to
find
another
way
to
halt
SEPTA's
plan
to
burden
the
lower
Northwest
with
eighty
one
point:
six
tons
of
toxic
emissions,
which
will
be
added
to
diesel
exhaust
from
SEPTA's
largest
bus
depot
and
Route
one
traffic.
These
added
emissions
would
cause
an
exacerbate
a
range
of
Public
Health
disease,
stressors
such
as
dementia
and
for
children,
impaired
cognitive
development,
asthma,
COPD,
high
blood
pressure
and
kidney
disease.
Thank
you
for
listening.
B
A
Hear
all
the
testimony
then
address
your
concern
regarding
number
five
and
I
am
going
to
yield
to
the
lawyer
and
our
on
our
committee,
councilman
Derrick
green,
with
regards
to
our
ability
to
hold
up
a
bill.
Please,
let's
hear
from
mr.
weldie
and
he
acknowledged
the
presence
of
council
member,
a
council
member
of
this
committee,
Councilwoman
telling
Jim
please
good.
E
Afternoon
and
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
testify,
my
name
is
Logan
weldie
I'm,
a
staff
attorney
at
clean
air
council,
clean
air
Council.
Our
mission
is
to
protect
an
offend
everyone's
right
to
breathe,
clean
air
and
have
a
healthy
environment.
We
have
over
5,000
members
and
activists
throughout
Philadelphia,
while
bill
number
one
eight
zero.
Two
three
four
was
proposed
with
good
intentions
and
the
clean
air
council
strongly
supports
its
intent
to
better
inform
City,
Council
members
and
other
members
of
the
Philadelphia
government
of
the
environmental
impacts
of
any
actions
they
take.
E
This
proposed
bill
does
not
accomplish
that
goal
in
a
meaningful
way
and
therefore
a
cleaner
Council
cannot
support
this
bill
in
its
current
form
under
environmental
law.
An
environmental
impact
statement
is
a
serious
undertaking
that
fully
assesses
any
and
all
environmental
impacts
of
a
proposed
action.
E
Traditionally,
an
EIS,
as
they're
known,
is
overseen
by
a
group
of
engineers
who
have
the
proper
technical
tools
to
collect
data
and
complete
an
environmental
impact
statement.
What
is
proposed
in
this
bill
is
not
an
environmental
impact
statement.
It
is
misleading
to
the
members
of
City,
Council
and
they're
concerned
constituents
to
refer
to
the
process
envisioned
by
this
bill.
As
an
environmental
impact
statement
clean,
our
council
would
support
changing
the
name
from
environmental
impact,
some
impact
statement
to
something
not
associated
with
this
existing
requirement
and
possibly
something
like
administrative,
environmental
assessment
or
something.
E
However,
a
name
change
alone
does
not
Olay
all
of
our
concerns
with
this
bill.
We
are
very
concerned
that
this
bill
tasked
the
Office
of
Sustainability
with
completing
this
analysis.
While
clean
air
council
has
the
utmost
respect
for
the
office
of
sustainability,
we
do
not
believe
that
the
staff
have
either
the
training
or
resources
to
complete
an
EIS
or
something
similar.
E
Due
to
the
extensive
time
and
research
needed
to
complete
an
EIS,
it
is
unlikely
that
the
office
of
sustainability
currently
has
the
technical
tools
or
funds
to
prepare
environmental
impact
statements
for
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
Additionally,
with
only
10
days
to
properly
complete
an
environmental
impact
statement,
it
is
unlikely
that
these
statements
will
be
completed
in
time.
An
actual
AIS
can
take
months,
two
years
to
accomplish
clean
air
councils.
Final
concern
with
the
bill
is
that
it
does
not
create
an
mandatory
obligation.
E
The
city
of
Philadelphia
must
comply
with
the
Pennsylvania
Constitution,
including
one
section
27
called
the
environmental
rights
amendment
or
er.
A
this
amendment
reads:
the
people
have
a
right
to
clean
air,
pure
water
and
and
to
the
preservation
of
natural
scenic,
historic
and
aesthetic
values
of
the
environment.
Pennsylvania's
public
natural
resources
are
the
common
property
of
all
the
people,
including
generations,
yet
to
come
as
trustees
of
these
resources,
the
Commonwealth
shall
can
serve
and
maintain
them
for
the
benefit
of
all
the
people.
E
Recent
Supreme
Court
recent
panel
vania
Supreme
Court
decisions
have
held
that
the
ER
a
creates
a
duty
of
any
agency
of
the
Commonwealth
to
protect
the
environment
and
quote
requires
each
branch
of
government
to
consider
in
advance
of
proceeding
the
environmental
effect
of
any
proposed
action
on
the
constitutionality.
Sorry,
on
the
constitutionally
protected
features.
Unquote,
this
makes
an
environmental
review
of
some
sort
of
obligation,
not
voluntary
or
avoidable,
but
mandatory
clean
air
council
does
support
this
committee's
efforts,
as
evidenced
by
the
intent
of
this
bill.
However,
clean
our
council
does
not
support
this.
E
Current
current
proposed
legislation
for
the
previously
stated
reasons
additionally,
clean
air
counsel
would
invite
this
committee
to
address
other
pressing
environmental
issues
facing
Philadelphians.
Philadelphia
is
extremely
polluted.
Its
air
land
and
water
are
trashed.
The
council
is
concerned
that
this
committee
has
not
met
in
over
a
year
and,
in
fact,
has
only
met
a
handful
of
times
over
the
past
five
years.
E
The
council
would
ask
that
this
committee
hold
hearings
on
the
state
of
the
environment
of
Philadelphia,
including
issues
such
as
litter
and
short
dumping,
addressing
plastic
bag
usage,
circulars
and
all
single-use
plastic
lack
of
vision
on
electric
vehicles,
poor
implementation
of
solar,
wind
and
sustainable
energy
sources,
lack
of
enforcement
of
commercial
recycling
and
low
rate
of
residential
recycling.
No
citywide
policy
on
e-waste,
no
enforcement
of
energy
codes
by
L&I
during
standard
building
inspections
and
little
to
no
enforcement
of
sending
city
idling
laws.
E
We
are
generally
generally
concerned
that
there
are
so
many
wide-ranging
and
serious
environmental
issues
that
this
committee
could
investigate
by
not
having
regular
meetings.
The
Clean,
Air
Council
is
concerned
that
these
important
environmental
issues
are
not
being
addressed.
We
call
in
this
committee,
in
particular
Councilwoman
Reynolds
Browns
office,
to
invite
groups
like
ours
to
begin
to
address
these
issues,
as
well
as
scheduled,
regular
meetings
of
the
Environmental
Committee.
Thank
you.
B
I'm,
saying
is
number
five,
basically
is
a
loophole.
It
allows
there
not
to
be
an
environmental
impact
study,
and
so
it's
not
mandatory
and
unless
an
environmental
impact
study
is
mandatory.
There's
no
point
in
the
bill:
it's
not
going
to
protect
the
city
because
anybody
with
a
nice
deep
deal,
you
know
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
make
a
deal
with
someone
in
City
Council
or
with
the
council
to
get
around
that
anybody.
B
It
it
opens
the
door
for
deal-making,
it
opens
the
door
for
a
company
or
a
public
utility
to
say
well,
I'm
gonna
put
money
into
this
project.
What
you
really
want,
if
I
don't
have
to
do
the
impact
study
and
the
bill
says
number
five-
that
legislation
can
go
forward
without
an
impact
study
and
so
I'm
sort
of
agreeing
with
my
colleague
right
here.
My
speech
is
not
as
sophisticated,
but
this
bill
does
not
make
the
study
mandatory
and
so
from
what
from
my
reading
of
it,
councilman
green.
Thank.
F
You,
madam
chair,
the
plain
reading
of
this
language,
says
a
lack
of
a
lack
of
preparation
of
environmental
impact
statement
requested
pursuant
to
the
section
should
not
preclude
the
final
adoption
of
a
bill.
The
language
of
a
bill
is
broad,
meaning
that
any
title
legislation
will
come
to
this
body.
This.
F
Basically,
for
my
understanding,
this
provides
the
opportunity
that,
if
any
member
of
council
would
like
to
request
an
environment
impact
study
or
any
pending
ordinance,
they
can
do
so,
but
the
language
is
also
say
in
a
way
that
it's
not
going
to
preclude
found
option
of
all
bills
within
our
body
and
so
I.
My
understanding
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
legislative
intent,
but
my
understanding
is
that
this
provides
an
opportunity
for
anyone
in
Council
if
they
have
an
ordinance,
that's
before
us,
even
put
either
presented
by
the
administration
or
by
another
member
of
Council.
F
A
Viewed
as
an
option
for
sponsors
of
legislation
or
District
Council
members
is
not
viewed
as
a
requirement.
This
is
quite
this.
The
city
is
not
able
to
financially
take
one
environmental
impacts
of
every
major
project
that
comes
down
down
the
pike.
It
really
has
to
be
at
the
request
of
the
office
of
sustainability
or
the
sponsor
of
the
bill.
Well,.
B
We
really
can't
afford
to
keep
on
building
these
projects
that
are
making
people
sick
and
making
us
go
towards
a
climate
change
situation
that
we're
not
that's
out
of
our
control,
like
we're
sort
of
at
that
limit.
Now,
and
if
there
isn't
enough
money,
I
would
like
to
propose
that
you
cancel
the
ten-year
abatement
for
all
those
big
skyscrapers
that
are
going
up
in
town.
There's
plenty
of
money
in
Philadelphia,
it's
just
being
held
by
a
few.
So
there
is
money.
I
just
don't
buy
that
okay,
any.
F
I
want
to
get
your
reflections
on
some
of
the
comments
that
mr.
weldie
made
regarding
environmental
impact
statements,
because
I
do
know.
That
is
a
term
of
art
that
a
specific
meeting
that
I
just
came
from
a
construction
site
for
the
new
Cristo
Rey
high
school,
and
they
did
a
five
phase.
One
environmental
study
regarding
some
issue
that
their
development
site
so
I
do
know
from
my
experience
in
real
estate
construction
that
there.
That
is
a
specific
term
when
you
say
environment
impact
statement.
F
D
I
certainly
think
that
there
could
be
some
confusion
created,
since
that
is
a
term
that
already
has
meaning
and
specific
requirements
at
the
federal
level
and
often
at
the
state
level
as
well.
I,
don't
think
that's
you
know
anything
more
than
maybe
just
a
language
tweak
but
I
think
the
actual
request
of
what's
the
information
is
quite
different,
so
I
think
maybe
just
having
some
language
differential
so
that
we
know
what
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
a
city
or
a
state
or
a
federal
requirement
could
easily
solve
that
issue.
D
I
mean
I
really
think
it
depends
on
the
number
of
requests
that
come
through.
You
know
in
a
given
year,
the
type
of
ordinances
that
we're
looking
at
assessing
there
could
be.
You
know
huge
differential
between
an
ordinance
approving
a
sidewalk
cafe,
or
you
know,
a
street
name
changing
those
types
of
things
that
probably
have
very
little
to
no
impact
versus.
You
know
big
capital
projects
that
you
know
could
you
know
obviously
disturb
land
and
have
energy.
You
know
usage,
which
would
then
create
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
D
So
the
answer
is
it
really
kind
of
depends,
but
from
my
best
guess
we
could
probably
handle
a
good
deep
analysis.
You
know
a
meaty
ordinance
a
couple
of
times
a
year
at
most,
but
I,
don't
think
we
have
capacity
beyond
that
on
our
staff
or
in
our
budget
to
then
maybe
contract
with
a
consultant
to
do
that.
So,
if
it
were
to
exceed,
you
know
again,
maybe
two
or
three
a
year
I
think
we
would
run
into
a
problem
with
being
able
to
keep
up
with
that
request,
based.
D
Man,
I
think
Lynne's
example.
If
the
septa
project
would
not
have
come
before
council,
so
that's
not
that
no,
not
a
septa
project,
but
a
similar
project,
a
capital
project
right
where
there's
gonna
be
some.
You
know
potential
impact
on
the
surrounding
community,
whether
that's
air
quality
energy
use,
greenhouse
gas
emission
creation,
wait
you
know
waste
and
how
waste
is
going
to
be
disposed
of
so
I
think
capital
projects
are
the
sort
of
most
obvious
because
they
have
such
a.
D
You
know
physical,
tangible
impact
on
a
space,
but
then
there's
also
things
like
you
know:
at
legislation
that
comes
before
this
body:
sustainable
business,
tax,
credit,
benchmarking,
ordinances,
those
types
of
things
where
we
could
be
able-
we
could
say
you
know
this
bill.
This
pot
would
which
would
set.
A
policy
would
then
help
us
to
be
able
to
do
X,
Y
or
Z
or,
on
the
contrary,
could
inhibit
us
from
doing
XYZ,
so
I
think
sort
of
specific
environmental
policy.
F
D
I
mean
I
think
before
you
know
the
existence
of
this
this
proposal,
we
would
probably
already
be
weighing
in
potentially
on
legislation
that
we
thought
either
had
a
very
positive
or
very
negative
impact
on
the
city's
sustainability
goals.
So
I
think
we
would
that
would
sort
of
just
be
a
continuation,
but
in
out
through
a
more
sort
of
formalized
process
when.
E
F
A
F
D
No
that's
I
see.
Yes,
ICF
is
a
firm
that
we
use
to
help
do
some
of
our
energy
planning,
so
our
municipal
energy
master
plan
and
meanness
and
the
citywide
energy
vision
plan
that
we
put
out
recently
we're
both
with
ICF
modeling
support.
So
we
asked
them
to
help
model
certain
things.
We
can
usually
get
a
price
tag
from
them
of
like
fifty
to
seventy-five
thousand
dollars,
depending
on
the
size
again
of
the
thing
we're
asking
them
to
take
on
often
some
pretty
big
meaty
things
so
again,
depending
on.
D
B
F
F
What
does
this
legislation
give
you
any
thoughts
in
reference
to
going
into
future,
so
an
FY
2011
budget,
and
then
the
FY
went
see
going
forward
capital
program
thoughts
in
reference
to
additional
dollars
that
should
be
allocated
into
the
capital
program
to
provide
resources
in
order
to
do
these
type
of
environmental
assessments,
at
least
on
the
capital
project
side.
Yeah.
D
It's
a
it's
a
great
question:
the
guidance
we
get
from
the
capital
budget
office
is
that
we're
able
to
use
capital
budget
on
analysis
or
planning
of
regarding
other
capital
investments.
So
if
something
is
going
to
help
us
decide
how
to
use
their
capital
dollars,
we
can
use
our
capital
budget
to
do
that
analysis.
So,
for
the
purposes
of
evaluating
potentially
a
capital
project,
you
know
doing
an
environmental
impact
statement
for
that
we
would
be
able
to
use
our
capital
budget
for
it.
F
D
D
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
that's
possible.
We
do
try
to
engage.
You
know
the
capital
planning
process
so
that
when
we
understand
what
departments
are
proposing,
we
can
get
in
early
and
sort
of
get
them
to
think
a
little
bit
more
about
energy
efficiency
or
other
sustainability
measures
in
the
design
of
their
capital
projects.
So
we
have
a
good
understanding
of
who
those
departments
are
and
where
there
might
be
possibilities
to
plug
in
more
capital
for
them
to
do
an
analysis.
F
So,
based
on
what
you're
saying
you're
talking
about,
maybe
five
projects
you're
talking
about
three
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
roughly
packing
the
envelope,
if
you're
caught
in
saying
sixty
seven
thousand
sixty
to
seventy
thousand
dollars
for
a
major
capital
project.
And
when
you
look
at
the
capital
program
and
a
capital
budget,
you
know
we
have
a
pretty
significant
number
of
capital
projects
each
year.
F
It's
hard,
it's
kind
of
a
chicken
and
egg
balance
we
haven't
had
this
before,
but
then,
when
you
have
you're,
not
sure
how
much
it
will
be
used
and
we're
just
talking
with
capital
projects,
we
haven't
even
gone
into
the
policy
issues
of
this.
Our
initiative
that
no,
you
name
the
department
that
it
made
me
doing.
That
may
have
some
type
of
environmental
impact
that
may
need
some
type
of
analysis
or
assessment.
F
A
weldie
members
of
the
committee
should
know
that,
with
regards
to
plastic
bag
usage,
a
council
Mascola
has
been
intimately
actively
engaged
with
that
issue
for
months
and
I
just
spoke
with
council
school
about
that
issue
less
than
a
month
ago
and
I've
chosen
not
to
get
in
it
because
he
is
leading
the
effort
on
that.
With
regards
to
implementation
of
solar,
the
Energy
Authority
just
had
a
briefing
this
afternoon
about
the
work
that
they
are
doing
around
a
solar
and
they
had
a
terrific,
updated
report.
Our
last
state
of
the
environment
was
March
2017.
A
That
was
a
four
hour
hearing
and
we
think
how
Jim
aluminum
for
helping
to
make
that
happen,
and
our
office
reached
out
to
you,
mr.
weldie
and
March,
for
a
meeting
this
past
April.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
on
your
schedule
in
June
to
talk
about
what
we
may
be
doing
in
in
September,
so
that
that
ask
is
still
outstanding.
Okay,
any
more
questions,
please
councilman
green.
F
F
B
F
You
know
to
try
to
change
the
narrative
on
issues
of
plastic.
There
was
a
screening
of
a
documentary
and
last
Monday.
The
free
library
thought
off
it
called
plastic.
China
I
was
about
a
90-minute
documentary
that
I
think
is
quite
eye-opening
for
anyone
that
has
a
chance
to
watch
it,
and
we
are
doing
a
briefing
on
June,
8th
at
2
o'clock
p.m.
in
the
council
caucus
room
on
a
shortened
version
of
that
documentary
to
try
to
continue
to
change
the
narrative
and
thoughts
regarding
plastic
not
only
in
the
world,
but
also
how
we
engage
plastic.
A
F
F
A
C
Have
a
question
on
mister
well,
DS
of
letter
I
have
to
be
very
direct
here.
I'm
new
around
here,
but
I'd
have
to
say
this.
The
work
of
the
Environmental
Committee
doesn't
always
take
place
in
committee
form.
People
give
us
correspondence,
we
talk
to
one
another,
I
mean
to
just
judge
it
on
the
amount
of
committee
hearings.
We
have
as
well
III
think
that's
a
unwarranted,
but
I'll
that's
my
opinion.
As
a
member
of
this
committee,
I
do
have
a
question
for
you
and
that's
in
your
last
statement.
C
C
E
C
You
base
that
one.
Yes,
there
are
a
lot
of
idling
vehicles.
Is
it
good
for
the
environment?
Absolutely
not
because
it's
sort
of
wasted
right,
but
how
do
you
say
that's
the
largest
because
to
be
very
direct
in
Europe
and
particularly
in
Germany,
where
I
happen
to
have
a
number
of
my
relatives.
If
you're
caught
in
a
traffic
jam,
you
are
required
by
federal
law
Germany
to
turn
your
engine
off
I,
don't
know
how
well
that
would
go
in
America,
but
that's
the
law.
C
E
We
did
have
a
lot
of
air
pollution
in
Philadelphia
decades
ago,
and
that
has
receded
due
to
a
lot
of
the
Clean
Air
Act
regulations
in
the
70s
and
then
in
the
90s.
So
Philadelphia
and
a
lot
of
other
cities
have
really
cleaned
up.
There
was
a
recent
American,
Lung,
Association
I,
think
article
that
that
gave
Philadelphia
a
failing
grade
for
ozone
and
ozone.
E
C
C
C
A
C
Of
years,
so
I
have
a
sense
of
what
the
outside
is
like
and
I
have
to
say
and
in
the
environment.
Is
everything
that's?
Why
I'm
delighted
to
be
a
member
of
this
committee
didn't
do
the
work
with
the
chairlady?
The
fact
is,
though,
when
you
say
something
I
just
like
to
have
it
backed
up
I
mean
how
much
idling
is
going
on
there's
some.
Is
it
a
lot?
How
much
you
know?
That's
what.
F
E
E
That's
what
that's?
Why
that's?
Why
I
stated
that
it
was
different
got
it
so
we
have
been
clean
our
council
for
the
last
three
and
a
half
years,
we've
been
studying
idling
in
Philadelphia,
okay,
we
have
had
a
few
volunteers,
they
go
out
just
for
a
couple
of
minutes
a
day
and
they
have
gotten
about
2,000
idling
reports
just
for
a
few
minutes
a
day
in
the
city.
So
if
you
can
walk
down
a
street
in
Philadelphia
and
not
feel
that
not
not
notice
that
there's
an
idling
vehicle,
then
then
I'd
be
surprised.
E
So
the
city
agencies
currently
have
about
6,000
vehicles.
None
of
them
have
policies
against
idling.
We
have
caught
city
on
video
city
agency,
employees
sleeping
going
to
lunch
and
leaving
their
vehicles
unlocked
and
unattended
with
the
v8.
With
it
vehicle
running.
We
have,
we
have
caught
them
on
video,
saying
they
don't
care
because
they're
not
paying
for
the
gas
I
mean
it
is
astounding.
We
calculated
like
I,
said
earlier
about
six
million
dollars
over
the
last
two
years
of
just
idling
for
city
vehicles
in
Philadelphia,
wait
city.
C
C
Me
ask
you:
this
I
would
like
to
go
with
you
on
your
next
idling
roundabout,
okay.
I
would
really
like
to
see
I.
Think
some
of
the
figures
that
you
even
cited
now
are
somewhat
flawed.
Okay,
I
would
have
to
say
they
do
exist
and
it
shouldn't
be.
On
the
other
hand,
on
the
other
hand,
people
do
it
when
it's
a
very
hot
day
to
stay
fool
in
their
air-conditioned
cars,
I
mean
all
people,
do
it
it's
normal
thing
and
also
the
reverse.
C
You
know
I
plan
a
lot
of
snow
in
hours
and
hours
on
the
you
know
what
the
best
job
I
ever
had
was
running
the
grounds
Department,
because
I
learned
a
lot
about
just
people
in
general,
and
you
know
what
it
gets
cold
out
there
and
you
know
people
want
to
stay
warm,
so
they
run
the
engine.
Is
it
right?
Probably
not,
but
the
fact
is.
Human
concerns
are
also
very
important.
Part
of
the
you
know
the
environment,
so
I
want
to
work
with
you,
and
then
you
can
comment.
C
B
D
You,
the
the
city,
does
have
ordinances
against
idling
and
all
city
employees
are
expected
to
follow
all
city
laws,
so
there
is
a
pallet.
There
are
policies
in
place
that
city
workers
are
supposed
to
follow.
They
don't,
obviously
we
do
have
when
I
was
at
the
water
department.
Previously
we
worked
with
cleaner
Council
to
receive
those
complaints
when
it
was
a
water
department
vehicle.
So
the
water
department
would
know
who
it
was,
who.
D
In
order
to
keep
you
know,
heating
or
cooling
going
they're
allowed
to
idle
if
it
helps
to
operate
a
piece
of
equipment.
So
a
lot
of
you
can
imagine
diesel.
You
know
vehicles
that
are
crane,
operated
or
a
digging
or
something
else.
They
need
the
engine
on
police
cars,
for
example.
The
engine
has
to
be
on
for
the
computers
to
work
so
they're,
never
not
gonna,
shut
off
and
reboot
the
computer
every
time
so
they're
a
strong
swimmer.
D
Those
are
opportunities
as
well
for
the
city
to
consider
how
to
separate
the
computer
system
from
the
engine
system.
So
there's
always
opportunities
to
do
more,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
of
clarification
as
well
as
because
this
is
something
we
run
into
a
lot
in
terms
of
perception
about
where
Philadelphia's
greenhouse
gas
emissions
come.
A
D
A
D
F
D
Of
buildings,
12%
from
industry
industry
operate
out
of
buildings,
so
we
combine
that
to
80%.
Transportation
is
17%
and
waste
is
3%,
so
just
I
like
to
make
sure
people
know
that,
because
I
don't
think
most
people
look
at
our
buildings
as
that
source
of
emissions,
and
that's
why
the
benchmarking
law
is
so
important.
That's
why
we
really
focus
a
lot
on
building
energy
efficiency
right
now
as
a
priority,
but
certainly
work
on
transportation
and
waste
as
well.
I.
D
E
I
would
just
like
to
answer
what
part
of
your
question
buildings
do
account
for
the
largest
source
of
air
pollution
in
the
country,
probably
that
as
a
group
there
about
40%
in
the
country,
I
think
but
note
I
did
say
a
legal
air
pollution.
So
one
thing
that
we
can
easily
do
in
this
city,
so
the
other
day
I'll
just
give
you
a
quick
anecdote.
I
I
was
standing
next
to
a
vehicle
that
was
idling.
I
asked
the
the
PP
age
and
if
he
could
please
give
a
ticket,
he
said
no
I
need
to
wait.
E
Five
minutes.
I
said
no,
that's
not
the
law,
the
law,
zero
minutes
in
Philadelphia
for
a
truck
right,
so
he
walked
off
I
waited
there.
He
came
back,
which
was
nice
of
him.
He
couldn't
find
it
in
his
computer.
I
had
to
tell
him
where
it
was
in
his
computer.
What
the
code
was
what
the
they're
not
trained
PPA
is
not
trained.
No
city
agency
is
properly
trained.
The
water
department
is
probably
the
best
department
that
we've
dealt
with
and
we've
dealt
with
almost
all
the
departments
in
Philadelphia.
E
While
she
was
there,
we
met
a
number
of
times
with
her
and
some
of
her
staff,
and
they
did
do
a
good
job
about
getting
idling
done.
And
now,
when
we
have
volunteers
to
go
up
to
water
department,
trucks
that
are
idling,
they
do
they
run.
They
literally
the
drivers
literally
run
over
their
truck
and
turn
them
off,
because
they
know
that
you're
setting
up
to
do
a
report.
They
know
it
so
I
know
that
they've
told
them.
The
water
department,
employees,
streets,
department,
I'm,
not
gonna,
name
all
of
them.
E
Okay,
but
but
there
are
a
number
of
hi
violators
in
the
city
and
you
know
I
get
you
know,
is
it
the
highest
source
of
air
pollution
in
Philadelphia?
Probably
not.
It
is
the
highest
source
of
the
illegal
air
pollution
in
Philadelphia
that
we
can
ease
we
stop
easily,
and
you
know
what
all
you
need
to
do
is
go
up
to
someone's
a
police
officer.
Rppa
say:
hey,
you
know
it's
illegal
to
I,
don't
Philadelphia!
No
I
didn't
okay,
they'll
turn
their
engine
off
and
they
know
it
next
time.
E
So
there's
an
education
component,
but
there's
also
a
ticket
component,
many
many
people,
they
don't
care
until
it
hits
their
pocketbook
and
they
can.
You
know
you
can
say:
hey
education,
education
until
you
actually
hit
someone
in
the
pocketbook
they're,
not
really
gonna
care
about
it,
and
then
the
last
thing
that
I
want
to
say
about
this
well,
first
of
all,
I
would
love
to
sit
down
and
explain
the
laws
to
you
and
also
take
you
on
a
tour
of
there's
some
really
hot
spots
in
Philadelphia
that
we're
always
getting.
E
E
All
right,
good,
I'll
reach
out
to
your
office.
Thank
you.
Yesterday,
I
got
a
call
from
a
woman
who
was
nearly
in
tears.
She
lives
in
the
Northeast.
She
said:
hey.
Are
you
the
people
to
talk
about
idling
too
and
I
said
sure
she
said
my
mom
has
cancer
and
she's
got
asthma
she's
been
suffering
for
years
from
asthma,
there's
there's
a
store
outside
of
their
their
house
and
she
lives
on
the
corner.
There's
a
store
on
the
corner.
There
too,
all
day
the
truck
sitting
idle.
She
said
nothing
can
be
done
about
this.
The.
E
Dropping
stuff
off
so
they're
loading
and
unloading.
There
is
a
law
in
Pennsylvania
that
you
have
to
put
a
sign
up
at
every
place:
the
the
law
numeron
numerate.
So
how
many
parking
spots
you
have
two,
but
if
you've
got
a
loading
and
unloading,
you
have
to
put
a
sign
up.
That
says
no
idling.
Nowhere
in
Philadelphia
is
this.
So
if
you
see
one
of
these
signs,
take
a
picture
and
send
it
to
me
because
they're
very
few
Wawa
has
them
and
that's
about
it,
but
because,
while
while
got
sued
from.
C
E
Got
sued
by
New
Jersey,
so
they
put
them
up
everywhere.
So
that's
why
they
did
it,
but
I'd
lean
is
a
really
it's.
It's
a
social
and
it's
an
environmental
justice
issue.
Poorer
neighborhoods
have
idling
trucks
in
them.
Much
more.
That
then
richer
neighbourhoods
do
because
you
know
poor
neighborhoods
have
the
warehouses
and
the
stores,
and
things
like
that
and
they're.
Getting
they're
suffering
from
this
and
asthma
is
one
of
the
highest
rates.
We
have
the
highest
rate
in
the
country
among
childhood,
asthma.
E
A
Your
your
enthusiasm
and
passion
for
this
issue
certainly
comes
through,
and
it's
very
very
much
appreciated
to
punctuate
councilman
alt
Alton
burgers
point.
You
should
know
members
of
this
committee
that
we
had
to
evening
meetings
with
moms
clean
air
council
and
there
have
been
a
couple
of
meetings
with
the
Philadelphia
Energy
Authority.
So,
yes,
lots
of
work
gets
done
in
addition
to
the
work
of
this
committee,
and
so
any
other
questions
comments,
observations
for
our
witnesses.
With
that
said
now,
we
will
now
go
into
a
public
meeting.
A
F
A
Yes,
I
would
like
to
I
want
to
invite
both
of
our
witnesses
if
you
have
additional
language
for
prospective
or
potential
amendments,
we're
certainly
open
to
that
as
before.
We
move
this
bill
to
the
second
reading
and
final
vote,
we're
certainly
open
and
welcome
any
subsequent
language
ideas
that
can
improve
the
the
merits
of
the
bill.
F
A
F
F
A
F
F
A
So
it
has
been
moved
and
properly
seconded
that
bill
number
one:
eight
zero,
two
three
four,
as
amended,
they
reported
out
of
this
committee
with
a
favorable
recommendation
and
that
the
rules
will
council
be
suspended
so
to
permit
first
reading
at
the
next
scheduled
session
of
council,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
all
of
the
opposed
seeing
none.
This
bill
has
been
approved
out
of
committee
with
the
favorable
recommendation.
This
concludes
this
meeting.
The
Mission
Continues.