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From YouTube: Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention 11-28-2017
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The Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Tuesday, November 28, 2017, at 2:00 PM, in Room 400, City Hall, to hear testimony on the following item:
170609 Resolution authorizing the creation of a "Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention" to address Philadelphia's enduring plague of gun violence by facilitating coordination among stakeholders and formulating a comprehensive gun violence prevention strategy.
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
good
afternoon,
everyone
name
is
councilman
Kiana
Johnson.
This
is
a
hearing.
This
hearing
is
called
to
order.
This
is
the
inaugural
public
hearing
of
the
City
Council
special
committee
on
gun
violence
prevention.
The
purpose
of
this
public
hearing
is
to
hear
testimony
on
resolution.
One-Seven-Zero
609
I
would
like
to
recognize
a
form
of
committee
members
with
my
co-chair
members.
A
So
this
happens
when
you
have
two
towers:
mr.
Darryl
Connor
I'm,
also
like
that
acknowledged,
the
presence
of
the
chair
person,
who
is
also
a
member
of
Public,
Safety,
Council
and
Curtis
Jones
jr.,
and
also
like
to
also
thank
all
of
our
subcommittee
chair
persons,
who
are
also
here
in
attendance
in
September
I,
introduced
on
behalf
of
young
lady,
who
runs
the
organization
by
the
name
of
mothers
in
charge,
Miss
Dorothy,
Johnson's
fight.
A
We
pass
it,
you
nineveh
in
the
City
Council
recognizing
gun
violence
as
a
public
health
crisis.
Here
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
It's
not
news.
Anyone
here
that
gun
violence
is
a
fact
of
everyday
life
in
Philadelphia,
gun,
violence,
devastates
not
only
victims,
but
also
their
families
and
their
communities.
The
costs
are
enormous.
Fortunately,
the
public
health
sector
has
been
a
leader
in
developing
evidence-based
approaches
to
gun
violence
and
Fadel
fits
fortunate
to
be
home
to
leaders
in
this
area.
A
With
the
formation
of
this
committee,
our
primary
role
is
to
come
up
with
a
comprehensive
strategy,
but
most
importantly,
action
agenda,
particularly
working
in
partnership
with
the
mayor's
office
of
violence
prevention,
Michael,
D,
bard,
eNOS,
the
managing
director
I'm
here
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
to
find
ways
for
us
to
significantly
reduce
the
issue.
You've
come
violence
here
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
One
of
those
key
areas
is
looking
at
the
areas
of
Public
Health.
When
we
talk
about
the
issue
of
gun
violence,
it's
all
about
behavioral
health
issues.
A
We
talk
about
post-traumatic
stress
that
some
of
our
young
people
may
face,
because
when
you
look
at
the
level
of
dumb
bombs
that
we
see
going
on
in
the
city
right
now,
there
are
young
people
who
are
on
the
crosshairs
of
the
shootings
and
the
murders.
About
two
weeks
ago,
I
was
at
a
school
at
Tilden.
A
Middle
school
I
was
up
there
for
Thanksgiving
Day
holiday
celebration
and
I
went
inside
one
of
the
classrooms,
one
of
the
teachers
that
I
knew
to
talk
to
some
of
the
children
in
the
class
and
I
always
go
into
a
classroom
and
I
asked
one
or
two
questions.
Then
one
of
the
questions
is
how
many
young
people,
initially
I,
saw
someone
that
either
been
shot
and/or
murdered,
and
this
is
that
this
is
a
middle
school
classroom
and
you
have
more
than
95%
of
children
in
the
classroom
raising
their
hands.
A
Then
the
next
question
I
were
asked
of
young
people
is:
how
did
that
make
you
feel
so
you're
going
to
variety
of
different
answers
and
honest
and
brutal
answers.
I'm
from
the
some
of
the
young
people,
some
people
felt
sad.
Some
people
felt
angry.
Some
people
wanted
revenge,
and
so
that's
the
psychological
aspect
that
gun
violence
has
on
some
of
our
young
people
in
terms
of
how
they
respond
and
go
about
living,
their
everyday
everyday
lives.
A
And
so
it's
very
imperative
that,
as
you
look
at
this
comprehensive
issue
of
you've
gun
violence,
we
do
not
not
pay
attention
to
how
it's
a
health
epidemic
here
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
Also,
today,
on
a
state
level,
the
chairman
of
the
Pennsylvania
legislative
black
caucus
state
representative,
Jordan
Harris.
He
also
just
sent
out
a
statement
on
have
for
the
Black
Caucus
acknowledging
gun
violence
here
in
the
state
of
Pennsylvania
as
a
public
health
epidemic,
and
so
I'm
gonna.
A
Ask
for
my
two
co-chairs
to
offer
brief
remarks
and
then
I'm
also
offering
opportunity
for
the
chairman
of
Public
Safety
to
say
a
few
remarks
and
then
we're
gonna
call
up
the
panel
to
get
started
and
again
we
know
we
will
not
resolve
the
issue
of
gun
violence
overnight,
but
we
set
this
committee
up
for
the
long
haul
to
find
out.
How
can
we
again
I'll
be
aggressive
and
our
strategy
and
most
importantly,
intention
intentional,
and
how
we
allocate
resources
and
addressing
this
issue,
but
regardless
of
who's?
A
On
the
second
floor,
we
will
always
make
sure
that
this
is
the
number
one
priority
here
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia
I'm.
Never
shy
to
say
that
we
have
a
task
force
on
on
the
opioid
crisis.
We
have
a
task
force
on
something
called
vision:
zero,
which
which
provides
open
streets
and
bike
lanes.
We
have
a
task
force
on
the
historical
preservation
of
buildings
and
I'll
support
all
of
those
initiatives,
but
saving
they
got
the
saving.
The
saving
of
young
lives
shall
also
be
the
number
one
priority
in
the
city
for
our
fish.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
on
the
mayor
for
stepping
up
and
creating
the
office
of
violence
prevention
and
also
the
managing
director
who
said:
listen,
councilman
I
want
to
be
all
over
this
from
day
one
he
came
to
my
office
and
said.
Let
me
know
what
I
need
to
do,
so
we
can
roll
up
our
sleeves
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
this,
because
we'll
only
be
a
great
city
of
we're,
a
safe
city,
and
that
depends
on
how
safe
our
young
people
are.
A
B
You
very
much
for
councilman
Johnson
and
the
councilman
Jones
for
letting
me
participate
in
this
very
important
project
again.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
committee
chairs
and
all
the
committee
members
that
have
been
participating.
This
is
a
comprehensive
effort
for
those
have
been
involved
in
the
gun,
violence
issue.
Many
of
you
have
over
many
many
years
have
seen.
B
That
is.
The
problem
is
very
deep
and
it
does
require
very
comprehensive
effort
and
and
and
and
way,
I
like
to
see,
of
course,
I'm
from
very
heavily
from
the
enforcement
side,
but
I
do
believe
that
that
it's
very
important
that
we
get
into
the
the
community
and
the
cultural
side
and
try
to
break
the
culture
of
wanting
young
people
of
for
all
people
actually
to
resort
to
a
gun.
Violence
to
resolve,
resolve
their
issues.
C
So
I'm
again
pleased
to
be
here
and
I
know.
I
speak
for
the
mayor
and
all
the
folks
in
the
management
directors
off
leadership
in
the
Madison
Directorate
office
that
we
are
committed
to
working
with
you
in
this
committee
to
make
a
serious
effort
to
reduce
the
incidences
of
gun
violence
in
the
city.
Thank
You.
D
Just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
commend
councilman
Johnson
for
focusing
this
effort
and
he
first
came
on
board,
but
he
had
me
in
the
caucus
room
right
across
the
hall
and
there
might
have
been
50
young
men
that
he
brought
together
and
he
just
simply
asked
a
question:
why
why?
Why
are
you
putting
yourself
at
risk?
Why
are
you
taken
to
the
garden
and
I'ma
be
honest
with
you?
D
The
answers
to
those
questions,
scared
me
and
I'm,
not
from
from
a
real
neighborhood,
and
so
he
has
since
then
been
focused
like
a
laser
beam
on
this
issue
anytime.
The
hospital
temple
has
to
have
a
trauma
unit
that
trains
the
military
on
how
to
deal
with
gunshots.
That
is
not
a
distinction.
As
a
city
we
really
want
to
have
and
anytime,
when
you
look
at
the
fact
that
they're
now
teaching
our
young
people
how
to
save
someone's
life
that
might
be
shot
by
that
same
gun.
D
That's
not
that's,
not
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
be
teaching
our
young
people.
This
new
normal
is
unacceptable.
So
I'm,
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
committee
here
and
looking
forward
to
more
importantly,
coming
up
with
some
solutions
like
you
know,
we
can
do
group
all
day,
but
we
have
to
come
away
with
action,
steps
that
reduce
the
gun,
violence
in
the
right
direction,
so
I.
Thank
you
again.
Mr.
chairman.
Thank.
A
You
I
want
to
make
note
just
of
a
couple
things
before
the
clerk
read
the
title
of
the
bill
and
we
call
up
our
panel
members
separate
from
on
this
particular
subcommittee,
and
the
subcommittee
chairman
for
this
particular
hearing
is
dr.
Joel
fine
of
chop
and
also
we
have
the
film
damara
who's
the
head
of
the
department
of
behavioral
health,
but
we
also
have
a
victims
of
gun
violence
subcommittee.
We
also
have
a
subcommittee
on
community
outreach,
a
subcommittee
on
program
review,
that's
also
headed
up
by
mr.
A
Shindell
and
a
subcommittee
on
social
services
and
one
subcommittee
on
illegal
guns.
This
one
acknowledged
the
presence
of
some
of
our
other
members
who
are
also
here.
We
have
mr.
Joel
fine
mr.
leader,
Garcia
Miss
Dorothy
Johnson
spike
mr.
Anthony
Merrick
Murthy
Caroline
Keating,
the
Glen
mr.
Charles
Hoyt,
mr.
Rob
Reid
Julie
works
hammer
and
obviously
we
have
mr.
Mack
with
Jabbar
Dennis.
Can
the
clerk?
Please
read
the
title
of
the
bill
authorizing.
C
E
Dr.
Thomas
Farley
the
health
commissioner
for
the
city
of
Philadelphia
I'm
here
to
testify
regarding
resolution
number
one
706,
two
or
nine,
which
authorizes
hearings
to
examine
the
plague
of
gun
violence
by
facilitating
coordination
among
stakeholders
and
formulating
a
comprehensive
gun,
violence
prevention
strategy,
I'm
very
pleased
that
you
were
taking
a
public
health
approach
to
gun
violence.
According
of
the
city's
medical
examiner,
two
hundred
and
forty
seven
people
died
from
firearm
homicides
in
Philadelphia
in
2016.
E
That
number
is
nearly
five
deaths
every
week,
but
even
that
just
a
small
part
of
the
firearm
problem
in
2016
1,100
people
in
Philadelphia
were
treated
in
hospitals
for
firearm
injuries
for
more
than
four
non
fatal
injuries
for
every
fatality.
In
the
same
year,
fifty-four
people
of
Philadelphia
died
of
firearm
suicides.
E
Most
of
our
efforts
on
gun
violence
in
the
United
States
have
focused
on
catching
and
incarcerating
perpetrators
as
necessary,
as
that
is
it
happens
after
a
shooting
has
taken
place,
so
we
shouldn't
expect
it
to
be
much.
They
have
much
of
an
impact
on
reducing
the
number
of
shootings.
Taking
a
public
health
approach
means
trying
to
prevent
shootings
that
work
involves
identifying
the
underlying
contributing
causes
and
then
reducing
their
impact.
This
approach
can
be
very
successful,
for
example,
in
the
1960s.
E
E
Fortunately,
there
are
many
efforts
already
taking
place
in
Philadelphia
by
the
police
department,
other
city
agencies
and
nonprofit
organizations
that
do
take
a
public
health
approach.
A
public
health
approach
to
gun
violence
tries
to
prevent
fatal
shootings
by
focusing
on
a
combination
of
three
contributors,
the
people
who
shoot
the
guns
themselves
and
the
environments
in
which
shootings
take
place.
First,
we
can
engage
with
high-risk
people
and
encourage
them
to
reconsider,
shooting
as
a
solution
to
conflict.
E
The
focused
deterrence
model
operating
in
South
Philadelphia
also
engages
with
people
who
are
likely
to
shoot
by
encouraging
them
to
accept
social
services
and
give
up
violence
or
experience
a
forceful
crackdown
by
law
enforcement
prevention
models
that
try
to
redirect
potential
shooters
and
other
ways
have
also
been
successfully
tested
in
Chicago
a
summer
time
summer.
Part-Time
jobs
program
cut
violent
crime,
arrests
among
high
school
students
by
43
percent.
E
In
the
last
few
months,
my
department
has
worked
with
other
city
agencies
on
a
pilot
media
campaign
designed
to
encourage
potential
shooters
to
think
twice
before
pulling
the
trigger.
The
evaluation
of
this
project
has
not
been
completed,
but
if
it
looks
favorable,
this
sort
of
campaign
could
be
used
in
conjunction
with
other
programs
citywide.
E
Second,
we
can
focus
on
guns.
Studies
have
consistently
shown
that,
where
there
are
more
guns,
there
are
more
gun,
homicides
and
more
gun
suicides,
this
90
percent
of
the
guns
using
crime
or
handguns.
Those
should
be
our
primary
concern.
Our
single
biggest
obstacle
to
reducing
gun
violence
is
the
federal
is
the
federal
and
state
laws,
pre-emptive
the
authority
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia
to
regulate
the
design
and
sale
of
guns.
E
E
Finally,
we
can
make
changes
to
the
physical
environment
in
which
shootings
occur.
These
changes
can
be
small,
such
as
installing
additional
lighting
and
high
crime
areas
or
removing
abandoned
buildings.
In
one
study
conducted
by
the
University
of
Pennsylvania
remediation
of
abandoned
homes
and
vacant,
lots
was
associated
with
significant
decreases
in
firearm
violence.
The
department
of
licenses
and
inspections
is
now
expanding.
Its
efforts,
unblinded
buildings,
firearm
violence,
is
an
ongoing
tragedy,
particularly
for
young
african-american
men
like
you,
I,
don't
think
we
should
accept
this
violence
as
a
normal
and
inevitable.
F
Also
in
agreement,
my
colleague
and
with
those
I'm
sure
who
are
about
to
speak,
that
there's
an
urgency
to
action
here,
gun
violence,
unsettles
our
consciousness
time
and
time
again,
and
it's
imperative
that
we
bring
our
knowledge
and
our
commitment
and
our
obligation
to
the
children
we
serve
to
bear
as
we
confront
the
challenge.
First,
let's
define
the
challenge
that
we
face.
So
each
day
in
the
country,
seven
children
die
from
firearm
violence.
F
The
trauma
centers
at
Penn
at
chop,
see
about
or
saw
about,
1,800
children
who
are
victims
of
firearm
violence
between
2006
or
2007,
rather
in
2016,
which
amounts
to
about
15
patients
per
month.
Children
come
in
contact
with
firearms
in
a
number
of
the
context
where
they
work
and
play
and
including
in
the
home
where
about
a
third
of
homes
with
kids
are
also
homes
with
guns.
F
The
principals
of
public
health
have
successfully
faced
many
issues
such
as,
as
my
colleague
noted,
car
crash
fatalities,
sudden
infant
death
syndrome,
vaccine
preventable
disease
diseases
and
tobacco
use
and
children.
Primary
public
health
approaches
prevention
from
three
angles,
so
there's
primary
prevention,
secondary
prevention
and
tertiary
prevention,
primary
prevention
methods
are
employed
universally
before
diseases
or
disasters
take
place.
Secondary
prevention
efforts
are
applied
selectively
in
order
to
slow
progression
once
a
person
or
neighborhood
at
risk
has
been
identified
and
tertiary
prevention
is
indicated
once
a
problem
is
already
in
full
force.
F
The
most
effective
public
health
initiatives
are
comprehensive
and
begin
with
citizen
engagement
and
focus
on
safer
communities.
Overall,
the
approach
to
violence,
particularly
gun
violence,
could
be
as
successful
as
our
approaches
to
the
other
diseases
we
just
discussed
if
we
stop
seeing
it
as
a
political
or
criminal
justice
issue
in
isolation.
However,
we
can't
pretend
that
firearm
violence
exists
in
a
vacuum:
access
to
quality
education,
access
to
job
training,
mental
health
services
are
key
components
of
violence,
prevention
and,
specifically
primary
prevention.
Other
primary
prevention
efforts
applied
across
the
board
include
policy
and
legislation.
F
For
example,
background
checks
are
currently
nationally
supported
by
majority
of
gun
owners,
but
are
only
mandatory
with
federally
licensed
dealers,
which
accounts
for
only
40%
of
gun
sales.
These
have
to
be
universal
to
be
effective.
In
addition,
and
collaboration
with
gun
dealers
to
help
enforce
existing
laws
can
be
good
for
their
businesses
and
good
for
our
neighborhoods
there.
These
are
measures
we
can
support
before
tragedy
hits
the
children
that
we
serve.
Demonizing
groups
of
people
is
not
a
rational
or
successful
approach.
The
only
true
enemy
has
to
be
the
problem.
F
We're
trying
to
solve
guns
are
a
part
of
our
society
with
over
350
million
in
the
nation,
so
we
have
to
employ
our
knowledge
of
child
development
to
inform
our
efforts
at
secondary
prevention.
For
example,
we
know
that
approximately
1
in
3
handguns
are
kept
unlocked
and
loaded,
and
many
parents
are
alarmed
to
discover
that,
at
least
in
at
least
one
study
75%
of
first
and
second
graders
know
where
the
gun
is
in
the
home,
in
direct
contradiction
to
the
family's
perception.
F
There
are
many
safety
mechanisms
that
are
proven,
such
as
trigger
locks
and
lock
boxes,
and
there
are
new
technologies
on
the
horizon
that
hold
promise
to
greater
increase
the
safety
of
firearms
in
homes
with
vulnerable
children
such
as
personalized
electronic
safety
devices
and
smart
gun
technologies.
These
have
been
shown
in
at
least
one
study
to
have
the
potential
to
prevent
up
to
37%
of
unintentional
injuries
and
they're
supported
by
the
public
at
large.
These
are
initiatives
that
can
be
effective
in
reducing
unintentional
injury
as
well
as
suicide.
F
Despite
our
best
efforts,
children
are
exposed
to
the
trauma
of
gun
violence
in
their
homes
and
in
their
schools
and
in
their
neighborhoods.
This
trauma,
as
we
know,
can
be
intergenerational
and
can
cause
kids
to
grow
up,
seeing
seeing
violence
as
an
answer
rather
than
a
problem.
What
can
our
hospitals
and
medical
centers
do
to
lead
by
example?
First,
we
can
practice
trauma-informed
care
to
mitigate
the
far-reaching
effects
of
violence
both
on
victims
and
on
their
families,
as
well
as
on
all
of
those
that
bear
witness
to
this
violence.
F
Secondary
prevention
efforts
such
as
identifying
and
addressing
bullying
in
the
school's
domestic
violence
in
homes
can
help
children
find
sanctuary.
Research
also
supports
the
notion
that
violence
begets
more
violence,
so
coming
to
an
emergency
department
for
an
assault.
Injury
means
that
you
are
at
a
forty
four
forty
percent
increased
risk
of
gun
or
firearm
related
injury
in
the
subsequent
future.
Our
own
research
interviewing
teenagers
about
firearm
access
reveals
that
children
see
guns
as
threats
to
their
safety,
only
worth
the
risk
when
the
environment
they
face
seems
overwhelming
or
frightening.
F
A
gun
went
to
a
local
park
and
decided
he
was
going
to
test
the
gun
on
a
nearby
tree
and
when
he
saw
the
destruction
that
that
firearm
was
able
to
actually
affect
on
that
tree,
he
was
terrified
and
he
threw
the
gun
away.
But
then
he
found
himself
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place.
How
does
he
navigate
his
environment?
How
does
he
find
a
safe
way
go
to
go
forward
if
the
solutions
that
he
sees
as
being
available
to
him
are
just
as
dangerous
as
the
problem?
F
Our
work
is
with
those
who
have
most
of
their
lives,
ahead
of
them
to
usher
them
into
adulthood
with
healthy
bodies
and
healthy
minds,
equipped
to
face
the
challenges
of
their
society
is
our
primary
objective.
Gun
violence,
like
any
disease,
is
amenable
to
the
principles
of
public
health
that
we've
been
discussing
today
and
can
be
approached
with
the
same
tools
of
prevention
that
have
changed
the
lives
of
so
many
children.
Thank
you.
A
A
Can
you
elaborate
on
the
media
campaign
that
you
the
pilot
program
that
you
started
any
evidence-based
leadership
around
the
impact
of
that
messaging
campaign
as
base
to
the
reduction
of
you've
come
violence,
and
you
also
have
a
door-to-door
program
where
young
people
are
out
in
the
street
working
to
reduce
you've
gone
violence
on
a
perspective
of
a
public
health
standpoint,
can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Please
yeah.
E
So
the
people
of
public
health
and
our
agency
and
other
agencies
have
used
media
campaigns
to
try
to
change
a
variety
of
different
behaviors
like
smoking
and
and
there's
evidence
that
those
work
they
haven't
used
media
messaging
so
much
to
try
to
change
the
behavior
of
shooting,
and
so
we
thought
well.
This
is
such
a
big
problem.
E
Let's
give
it
a
try,
and
so
we
worked
with
advertising
agencies
that
did
a
variety
of
focus
groups
to
test
out
different
messages
that
might
have
an
impact
on
high-risk
youth
that
were
potential
shooters
and
out
of
that
developed
messages.
As
you
see
up
on
the
screen
right
now,
you
shoot
now
what
it's
it's
a
message
that
it's
phrased
as
a
question:
it
doesn't
preach,
it
doesn't
say
what
not
to
do,
but
it
does
introduce
a
question
and
bit
the
doubt
into
people's
minds
about
what
happens
after
a
shooting
takes
place.
E
Most
of
us
learn
about
shooting
through
movies
and
television,
and
there
somebody
shoots
somebody
else.
The
person
shot
drops
to
the
ground
seen
over
life,
isn't
like
that.
After
someone
is
shot,
there's
a
lot
of
consequences
which
everyone
has
to
deal
with,
including
the
shooter,
and
this
introduces
some
of
those
consequences
in
people's
minds
to
think
that
maybe
they
would
think
twice
about
shooting.
E
We
that's
been
going
on
I,
guess
that
the
distribution
has
stopped.
We
are
now
in
the
process
of
doing
a
survey
to
try
to
evaluate
its
immediate
impact
and
so
we'll
see.
But
if
the
evaluation
looks
good,
it's
something
that
could
be
worked,
use
I.
Think
in
conjunction
with
some
of
these
other
messages.
There
are
other
programs
too
or
try
to
get
the
highest
risk.
People
to
just
think
twice
and
reduce
shooting
someone.
A
D
D
You
know
I'm
gonna,
keep
the
very
plain
speak
shut
off
different
pathways
and
things
like
that
when
things
happen,
that's
why
sometimes
we
forget
what
happened
at
a
traumatic
event
and
things
like
that,
but
it
also
gives
us
coping
mechanisms
that
aren't
always
positive
about
how
to
deal
with
post-traumatic
stress
in
since
symptoms.
Can
you
explain
what
that
may
be
since
we're
treating
this
as
a
disease
and
we're
looking
at
the
science
of
this?
Please
tell
me
what
happens
to
a
kid
who
is,
you
know,
I
understand
a
brain
isn't
fully
formed
until
you're
24.
D
E
Want
to
give
a
short
answer,
then
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
dr.
abaya
I
suspect
knows
more
about
this
than
me.
But
to
say
this,
a
witnessing
violence
is
part
of
a
larger
pattern
of
or
people
are,
calling
adverse
childhood
experiences,
which
has
been
well
shown
to
be
an
increased
risk
for
a
mental
illness
as
well
as
physical
illness,
lifelong.
So
yes,
indeed,
there
is
a
permanent
damage
that
is
to
children
who
are
exposed
to
this
amount
of
violence.
Now
the
degree
to
which
we
can
intervene
and
effect
a
change
of
that
potential.
E
F
I
completely
agree,
so
I'm,
not
an
expert
specifically
in
brain
mapping,
but
there
are
absolutely
theories
of
learned.
Behavior
and
children
are
a
very
unique
subset
because,
as
you
say,
their
responses
or
their
methods
of
responding
to
things
are
not
fully
formed.
Aces
are
adverse
childhood
events
have
been
or
adverse
childhood
experiences
rather
have
been
well
studied,
and
what
you
said
is
I
think
most
compelling
it's
not
just
its
effect
on
their
mental
health,
it's
their
effect
on
their
and
their
health
overall.
F
F
F
For
example,
the
violence
prevention
initiative
intervenes
with
assault
injured
youth
before
their
firearm
assault,
injured
youth,
to
talk
to
them
about
different
methods
of
approaching
the
violence
that
they
confront
in
their
communities.
It's
very
important
that
more
research
is
done
as
to
how
we
can
kind
of
rewire
so
to
speak,
children's
responses
and
approaches
to
traumatic
experiences,
but
there's
good
evidence
that
there's
something
we
can
do
and
the
sooner
we
take
the
sooner
we
take
action
in
their
in
their
kind
of
violence
journey
and
their
exposure
to
violence.
The
more
effective
we
can
be
so.
F
F
There's
there's
definitely
some
communicability
to
this
problem,
and
that
is
why
this
safe
community
approach,
the
idea
that
we
would
get
down
to
the
nitty-gritty
down
to
the
lights,
on
the
streets,
down
to
the
the
job,
training
and
all
of
those
types
of
effects
that
don't
seem
directly
related
to
violence,
intervention
or
to
violence
prevention,
but
definitely
have
an
effect.
Those
those
have
to
be
part
of
the
solution.
Because,
if
we're
going
to
interrupt
that
communicability,
we
have
to
think
about
it.
D
My
final
point,
mr.
chairman,
is:
do
we
become
desensitized
to
acts
of
violence
and
in
some
communities
in
my
district,
even
if
something
traumatic
happen.
If
if,
if
a
dog
walking
across
the
street
gets
hit,
I
mean
there
is
just
such
a
reaction
to
it
there.
You
know,
oh,
my
god,
loss
of
life,
but
in
certain
neighborhoods
you
know
the
teddy
bear
memorial,
don't
mean
a
thing:
it's
like
you
become
hardened
about
it,
and
how
do
we
I
mean?
How
do
we
deal
with
that?
I.
F
Do
think
that
there
is
an
acceptability
to
violence
in
certain
communities
either
by
the
people
in
those
communities
or
even
people
outside
of
those
communities
who
just
come
to
expect
that
that
we
have
to
choose
to
reject
I.
Think
that
whether
or
not
we
become
sensitized
is
in
part,
a
choice
that
each
of
us
makes,
but
it's
also
I
think
the
responsibility
of
those
advocating
for
this
cause
to
not
allow
desensitization
to
occur.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
I
think
that
there
are
public.
F
There
are
methods
of
kind
of
using
mass
media
to
our
benefit,
but
I
think
that
we
can't
do
this
without
engaging
citizens,
because
there
are
people
who
live
this
reality,
whose
stories,
in
my
mind,
are
the
most
compelling
and
without
those
voices
desensitization
is
something
that
is
hard
to
confront.
So
I
think
using
the
voices
of
those
who
are
exposed
to
keep
the
keep
the
issue
alive
to
keep
it
in
public
consciousness.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
an
important
part
of
avoiding
desensitization.
Thank
you
recognized
a.
E
Briefly,
if,
if
a
virus
came
to
Philadelphia
and
suddenly
killed
250
young
people,
we
would
all
see
this
as
an
absolute
crisis
and
we
would
be
responding
as
if
or
as
a
crisis.
The
fact
that
it's
killing
that
many
people
gun
violence
gun
have
many
people
every
year
makes
us
tend
to
accept
it
when
in
fact
it
should
make
it
seem
even
worse.
We
should
see
it
as
a
crisis
and
respond
in
that
way.
E
C
F
That
would
not
include
retaliation,
especially
violent
retaliation,
so
it's
very
comprehensive
and
it
begins
in
the
emergency
department.
So
practical
methods
of
that
or
the
practical
kind
of
manifestation
of
that
is
that
our
social
workers
are
immediately
brought
in
and
those
patients
are
referred
to
this
network.
The
violence
intervention
program,
the
VIP
and
the
result
of
that
is
that
they
get
they
get
brought
into
this
community
and
they
are
longitudinally
involved
in
this
community.
C
F
I'm
not
aware
of
other
pediatric
hospitals
using
this
exact
model,
there
are
other
hospitals
that
have
either
social
work,
referrals
or
methods
of
kind
of
helping
deal
with
the
mental
health
effects
of
violence
in
the
emergency
department,
but
this
particular
program.
As
far
as
I'm
aware,
it's
pretty
unique
to
the
to
the
violence
prevention
initiative.
Thank.
C
F
C
A
Right,
thank
you
and
I.
Just
want
elaborate
on
the
component.
I
think
councilman
Jones
asks
like
a
very,
very
serious
and
important
question.
I
kind
of
first
thought
about
it.
Like
okay,
we
already
know
the
answer
to
it,
but
it's
violence,
contagious,
right
and
I.
Think
about
the
art
environment
in
which
I
grew
up
in
and
how
people
operate,
and
you
will
have
young
people
that
will
get
involved
in
a
life
of
violence,
particularly
with
guns.
Just
based
upon
the
association
of
people
who
they're
hanging
around
and
the
allure
of
actually
carrying
a
gun.
A
I
mean
committing.
Your
first
act
have
been
a
so-called
attention
that
you
received
from
that
act
and
I
think
our
clearance
rate
was
brought
to
my
attention
right
now:
homicide
fans
rate
of
somewhere
around
thirty
seven
percent,
and
so
that's
reflective
of
people
not
actually
going
to
jail
for
committing
the
homicides,
and
so,
as
a
result,
if
an
individual
is
in
court
after
you
commit
their
first
shooting
or
their
first
homicide.
A
You
know
that
ringleader
or
that
other
individual
who
might
just
be
hanging
around
the
so-called
tough
guys
and
getting
them
involved
in
something,
that's
positive.
So
they
don't
go
down
that
same
path.
But
when
you
think
about
the
gun,
violence
paying
contingents
are
thinking
about
it
as
a
disease.
That's
just
one
of
the
things
that
kind
of
my
mind
from
my
experience
and
interacting
with
what
some
of
the
young
people
that
I
know
that
still
be
quite
frank
with
you
kind
of
live
that
lifestyle.
But
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
G
My
name
is
Katerina
Roman
and
I'm,
an
associate
professor
in
the
department
of
criminal
justice
at
Temple
University.
In
my
testimony
today,
I
draw
on
30
years
as
a
researcher
and
evaluator
studying
community
violence
and
evaluating
promising
neighborhood
based
gun
violence
reduction
programs,
not
just
in
Philadelphia
but
around
the
country.
I
want
to
thank
the
Special
Committee
on
gun,
violence,
prevention
for
your
leadership
and
seeking
evidence-based
solutions
to
the
crisis
of
gun
violence.
Treating
gun
violence
as
a
public
health
problem
signifies
an
approach
where
violence
is
preventable.
G
Efforts
to
prevent
gun
violence
begin
by
characterizing
the
scope
of
the
problem
and
assessing
the
potential
risk
and
protective
factors,
the
public
health
framework,
directs
prevention
and
intervention
at
the
population
or
community
level.
This
is
something
we
have
not
yet
talked
about.
This
is
an
issue
that
we
can't
just
focus
on
at
the
individual
level.
We
must
think
about
the
entire
community
in
addressing
the
risk
factors
and
behaviors.
G
We
need
to
think
about
the
whole
community,
whom
I
just
said
that
efforts
targeted
to
the
individual
are
only
leg
deeply
to
be
effective
when
they're
done
in
concert
with
social
norms.
For
instance,
it's
not
simply
sufficient
to
have
a
program
that
looks
at
repeat,
victimization
or
re-injury
communities
need
to
think
comprehensively,
as
dr.
abaya
said
earlier,
about
how
to
change
the
culture
of
violence
for
urban
communities.
This
is
what
you
just
mentioned:
councilman
Johnson.
This
is
the
street
culture,
the
code
of
the
street,
the
culture
of
violence
within
a
public
health
framework.
G
Then
we
should
be
asking.
How
do
you
prevent
violence?
How
do
you
prevent
the
victimization?
How
do
you
prevent
the
trauma
and
I've
been
asked
to
talk
about?
Data
can
be
a
little
boring,
but
thinking
about
data
we
need
solid
data
in
real
time
that
provides
information
about
these
risk
and
protective
factors
across
multiple
domains
of
influence
and
when
you
think
about
multiple
domains,
that's
the
individual.
The
individuals
relationships,
the
networks
that
you
are
mentioned,
the
peer
groups
of
kids,
that's
the
community,
the
neighborhood
and
the
larger
societal
factors.
G
Unfortunately,
that
kind
of
data
sits
across
multiple
systems
in
these
systems
are
siloed
citywide
indicators.
We
always
hear
people
talking
about.
Let's
have
output
measures,
let's
have
performance
measures,
but
these
Cyndi
citywide
indicators
are
not
sufficient.
We
need
to
be
able
to
understand
risk
and
resiliency
at
the
neighborhood
level.
G
This
means
who
is
vulnerable
by
place
place
can
be
as
small
as
the
neighborhood,
the
street
block
or
even
an
intersection,
and
when
we
think
about
networks,
the
personal
networks
we're
thinking
about
individuals,
their
gang
affiliation,
where
they
arrested
with
somebody
else
where
they
or
are
they
on
probation
or
parole.
Are
they
in
foster
care?
These
networks
and
understanding
how
they
play
out
are
just
as
important.
So
if
we
recognize
that
neighborhoods
and
street
blocks
have
their
own
cultures
and
norms.
G
That
leads
us
to
thinking
about
the
pieces
of
information
that
we
can
systematically
collect
to
address
this,
so
why
I
want
to
mention
six
areas
of
data,
but
just
focus
on
three
of
them
and
those
are
population
surveys
that
assess
risk
and
under
help.
You
understand
the
neighborhood
context,
then
there's
law
enforcement
records.
We
have
arrests,
incidents
calls
for
service,
but
we
also
have
information
about
gangs
and
groups
who's
doing
what
together
in
those
law
enforcement
records,
we
have
emergency
room
records.
G
We
have
crime,
lab
data,
death
certificates,
medical
records
and
administrative
records
about
the
environment.
The
physical
environment
boarded
up
houses,
what's
happening
with
streets,
what's
happening
with
lighting,
so
to
mention
the
first
three
surveys.
I
think
population
surveys
are
really
important
if
they
get
to
the
neighborhood
level.
These
kinds
of
surveys
are
surveys
that
let
us
know
how
things
change
over
time.
If
two
types
of
risk
factors
are
co-occurring
together,
we
can
also
address
what's
happening
to
boys
versus
girls,
our
subpopulations
by
age.
You
can
compare
neighborhoods,
but
how
do
we
get
this
data?
G
Fortunately,
the
city
of
Philadelphia
has
been
involved
in
the
CDC
biennial
survey,
known
as
the
YRBS
s,
the
youth
risk,
behavior
'el
surveillance
system,
there's
also
the
Pennsylvania
Youth
Survey.
It's
sponsored
for
all
of
the
Pennsylvania
counties.
The
school
districts
themselves
can
have
access
to
the
data,
but
again
these
aren't
data
that
are
available
at
a
small
level
of
understanding.
We
don't
necessarily
know
the
youth
who
take
the
survey,
the
individuals
who
answered
the
survey
where
they
live,
but
we
do
have
models
around
the
country
who
have
been
using
population
survey.
G
Data
with
neighborhood
indicators
in
Boston
is
a
great
example.
They
have
a
stand
out
model.
The
Harvard
youth
violence
prevention,
Center
has
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
Boston
with
the
different
government
agencies
and
they
support
a
neighborhood
survey
and
a
youth
survey,
and
they
tie
it
together
by
the
census
tract
of
the
individual
and
then
they
also
add
emergency
room
data
and
law-enforcement
data,
and
they
use
that
to
create
a
strategy
and
have
actionable
results
from
that
an
actionable
plan
with
which
they
can
follow
up
and
measure.
G
Another
example
is
what
New
York
City
is
doing
in
an
initiative.
They
call
neighborhood
stat.
It's
a
ComStat,
like
data
system
maintained
by
the
NYPD
that
collects
resident
data
on
a
smartphone
daily
that
they
aggregate
and
send
into
a
cop
stat
system.
So
the
police
can
be
talking
by
neighborhood
by
police
beat
even
smaller
than
the
police
beat.
They
can
be
have
an
understanding
how
the
residents
feel
about
their
neighborhood
and
relationships
with
the
police.
It's
real
time.
G
Information
integrated
into
daily
meetings
also
wanted
to
mention
a
neighbor
of
ours,
Camden
New
Jersey,
through
the
leadership
of
the
Camden
coalition
of
healthcare
providers,
they're
successfully
using
an
integrated
data
set
from
the
three
big
hospitals.
They
have
emergency
room
data
that
they
link
with
arrest
data
and
they've
used
this
to
create
a
system
of
response
called
healthcare,
hot
spotting
right
now,
it's
not
being
used
to
address
violence.
They
have
plans
to
do
that,
but
what
their
healthcare
hot
spotting
does
is
say.
G
Who
are
the
people
that
are
using
most
of
the
resources
and
have
most
of
the
needs?
And
then
they're
learning
from
that?
Creating
interventions
these
tertiary
interventions
that
they
then
could
say
we're
gonna,
take
this
to
scale
to
affect
the
entire
community.
So
this
type
of
tertiary
prevention
as
dr.
abaya,
talked
about
the
tertiary
prevention.
G
These
are
aggregate
level
rates
of
shootings,
thirty
thirty
five
percent
over
two
years
in
South
Philadelphia
and
32
percent
in
North
Philadelphia,
but
the
city
has
not
replicated
or
expanded
these
programs
and
I.
Think
part
of
that
is
because
we
don't
have
the
data
at
a
at
a
at
a
smaller
level
to
say
what
are
the
mechanisms
at
work
if
we
knew
that
X
leads
to
Y
we're
gonna.
Do
this
and
we're
gonna
target
these
individuals
and
get
this
result.
I
think
we'd
have
a
lot
more
confidence
in
expanding
these
programs.
G
G
We
did
not
find
that
those
particularly
targeted
gangs
had
reductions
in
shooting,
so
that
puts
some
of
the
mechanisms
about
the
intervention
into
question
if
it
didn't,
if
it
was
a
public
health
intervention
to
send
a
message
to
change
the
culture
of
violence
to
these
particular
gangs,
what
was
it-
and
we
have
some
hypotheses
about
that?
But
how
do
we
work
with
this
program
to
increase
its
effectiveness
in
this
regard?
So
we
have
some
questions
about
that.
But
what
that
brings
to
mind
is
both
ceasefire
violence
and
focused
deterrence,
our
tertiary
prevention
programs.
G
They
are
intervening
with
the
most
at-risk
people
who
have
already
suffered
harm
are
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
There
are
other
programs
out
there,
the
Department
of
Justice
and
other
government
offices,
federal
offices
around
the
country
have
cultivated
and
synthesized
evidence-based
programs
and
practices
and
on
the
primary
prevention
side
when
it
comes
to
aggressive,
behavior
and
community
and
gun
violence.
There
are
a
number
of
significant
programs
there,
but
again
we
have
an
issue
we
need
in
in
Philadelphia.
We
have
a
very
large
community
with
fragmented
services.
G
G
B
G
I
have
a
lot
of
recommendations.
I
I
would
say
there
are
a
number
and
I
am
so
appreciative
of
what
dr.
Avaya
said
in
commissioner
Farley
and
thinking
about
the
public
health
framework
it
it
sends
us
to
comprehensive
reform
and
what
I
coming
from
DC,
where
I've
had
the
opportunity
when
I
worked
in
the
Urban
Institute
to
look
at
models
all
around
the
country.
What
I
have
seen
is
what
works
is
when
you
are
doing
primary
prevention,
with
secondary
prevention
and
tertiary
together
in
a
organized
way
that
has
one
unified
objective.
G
So
if
you
say
we're
gonna
take
the
25
hotspots
of
gun
violence
in
the
city
and
do
something
you
don't
just
say.
So,
let's
give
them
some
kids
jobs
here.
Let's,
let's
fix
some
abandoned
buildings
here
it
is
a.
It
is
a
strategy
where
everything
works
to
the
same
goal
with
community
buy-in,
and
there
are
a
number
of
models.
Road
maps
to
follow.
One
of
them
is
a
it's
a
horrible
name.
It's
called
the
comprehensive
gang
model.
G
It's
not
just
focused
on
gang
activity
because
it
has
prevention,
intervention
and
it
does
have
pieces
of
focused
deterrence
in
it.
How
do
you
deal
with
the
kids
that
are
doing
all
of
the
shootings,
so
the
comprehensive
gang
model
would
be
one
of
my
suggestions.
The
second
one
would
be
having
case
review
teams
for
the
most
vulnerable
children,
where
the
trauma
is
the
worst.
Don't
don't
do
a
death
review
where
you're
talking
about
you
know,
kids
that
have
already
passed
away
or
homicide
review.
You
can
have
something.
G
Milwaukee
has
a
great
example
of
a
homicide
review
team
that
makes
it
actionable
they're
reviewing
homicide
where
there
is
a
decedent
but
they're
actually
using
that
to
go
back
and
say,
since
many
of
these
homicides
came
from
conflicts
and
retaliations
they're
going
back
and
saying
this
is
what
we
need
to
work
on.
This
is
what
happened
here,
and
this
is
what
we're
doing
comprehensively,
and
there
are
more
than
two
dozen
organizations
that
sit
around
the
table
bi-weekly
to
work
together
on
that
particular
issue.
Those
are
just
two.
B
B
They
do
the
best
they
can
under
the
circumstances
and
the
funding
that
they
have.
Now.
We
have
many
people
here
in
this
room
that
are
out
there
in
the
community
and
they
do
find
fine
work
intervention
with
the
community,
but
I
always
thought
in
to
supplement
community
policing.
When
you
identify
certain
sectors,
police
departments
operate
in
what
they
call
sectors.
B
That's
the
community's
go-to
person
like
I'm,
talking
about
like
three
or
four
block
radius.
This
is
just
the
go-to
person.
You
got
issues,
anything
comes
up,
didn't
work
about
a
neighborhood,
then
it
comes
up.
Then
it
can.
Then
it
can
pass
that
information
on
to
those
those
agencies
that
need
to
really
go
in
target
the
target.
The
problem.
Do
you
think
that
more
a
little
bit
more
concentrated
personal,
you
know
III,
the
only
thing
I
can
only
thing
I
can
equate
it
to
is
like
the
parking
authority,
okay,
the
parking
authority.
A
B
Parking
authority
person
knows
where
the
bad
spots,
the
parking.
Okay,
so
I'm,
just
saying
that
if
you
have
a
person,
who's
more
dedicated
to
a
specific
types
of
sectors
and
people
can
come
to
that
person
say:
listen
I
got
issues
like
you
know.
We
got
problems
or
just
immediate
rumors
via
this
via
that,
and
that
person
would
be
interested
Rob.
What
would
you
think
about
something
like
this.
G
That
person
has
to
have
the
power
to
make
change
and
and
I
honestly
believe
it's
not
just
about
policing.
In
our
city
we
have
the
community
liaison
officers
and
in
the
22nd,
but
I
think
you're
right
about
saying
they
need
to
be
smaller
areas.
That
would
be
the
first
thing.
What
the
our
community
liaison
officers
do
is
fantastic,
but
it's
almost
too
much
work
for
them.
So
there
needs
to
be
a
smaller
area
and
they
need
to
have
the
power
to
make
the
change
that
the
residents
want,
because
sometimes
Changez
not
necessarily
related
to
policing.
A
That
I'm
gonna,
let
chairman
O'connor,
follow
up
just
for
clarity
about
things
separate
from
the
Philadelphia
Police
Department
20
relations
officers
I
think
he
was
going
the
direction
of
civilians.
That
would
actually
be
the
individuals
on
the
ground
in
certain
zones
on
working
in
partnership,
but
the
issues
that
the
people
may
have.
A
G
Think
again,
because
the
issue
of
community
cohesion,
collective
efficacy,
we
know
from
the
academic
literature
that
having
this
cohesion
around
the
neighborhood
and
the
trust
in
the
police,
that
is
so
important,
I
think
I
honestly
believe.
That's
the
mechanism
to
bring
crime
down
in
neighborhoods
by
having
the
residents
walk
better
for
their
neighborhood
and
having
those
trusting
relationships
is
really
important.
There
are
a
number
of
experiments
going
on
around
the
country
using
social
media
to
get
your
neighbors
together
to
get
them
informed.
I,
don't
think
we
have.
H
Dr.
Bowman,
thank
you.
He
said
a
lot
of
the
things.
A
lot
of
us
been
thinking
for
many
years.
One
of
the
things
you
mentioned
about
the
Boston
model,
and
possibly
even
in
Milwaukee,
is
the
ability
to
collaborate
with
data
collection.
What
have
you
seen
in
your
years
here
in
Philadelphia?
Are
the
barriers
to
combining
data
and
T
combining
data
and
utilizing
the
data
for
public
health
purposes
in
the
city,
I
think.
G
The
biggest
barrier
in
the
city
has
been,
there
hasn't
been
a
unified
vision
from
the
stakeholders
on
what
it
means
to
reduce
violence
and
how
to
get
there.
I
I
think
dr.
abaya
also
mentioned
it
might
have
been
commissioner
Farley,
the
language
that
we
talked
about
and
how
we
say
perpetrators
or
offenders
and
we're
thinking
about
arresting
and
and
moving
from
that
and
talking
about
harm
and
community
harm.
G
I
think
that's
a
big
understanding
that
data
understanding,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
testimony,
how
to
get
to
resiliency
that
it
can
be
done
that
there
actually
are
solutions
and
staying
focused
on
that
goal
could
be
helpful.
I
know
that
might
not
be
the
answer
that
you
want,
but
I
don't
think.
We've
had
a
unified
vision
for
violence
reduction
and.
H
I
think
that
is
I
just
followed,
that
that
is
exactly
what
one
would
need
to
start
with.
I
think
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
ask
is
if
those
communities
that
have
accomplished
this
have
used
the
public
health
model
system
to
allow
the
transfer
of
data,
because
there's
a
lot
of
blockage
from
one
system
to
another,
like
you're,
not
allowed
to
see
my
data
and
in
a
public
health
model.
You
say
this
is
like
HIV.
G
Are-
and
there
are
ways
and
again
I-
think
the
beauty
of
it
is
that
there
are
other
cities
that
can
serve
as
models
to
issues
with
data
sharing,
I
think
Camden.
Does
it
well,
but
Camden
is
a
city
less
than
an
eighth
of
our
size.
So
it's
it's
difficult
to
say.
But
if
you
take
HIPAA
you
you
can
have
disclosure
of
information
under
HIPAA.
If
you
are
a
valid
public
health
authority
right,
and
so
there
are
ways
to
situate
the
data
and
particular
elements,
so
it
can
be
shared.
H
H
G
Always
hard
to
answer,
because
here
we
are
advocating
for
primary
prevention,
which
could
be
something
like
the
nurse
family
practitioner
partnership,
but
when
you're
talking
about
what
giving
a
nurse
to
a
young
pregnant,
high
poverty
woman
when
it
when
you're
looking
for
outcomes
related
to
a
crime,
that's
16
years
down
the
road.
So
this
is
a
tough
question
to
answer,
but
for
me,
I
would
say
that
there
are
initiatives
like
becoming
a
man.
G
If
we've
heard
about
becoming
a
man
as
a
cognitive
based
intervention,
that's
been
done
in
Chicago
schools
where
it
takes
at-risk
youth
and
it
was
evaluated
with
a
experimental
design
and
found
to
have
very
strong
reductions
in
arrests
and
violent
behavior
in
the
schools,
and
this
has
not
been
and
I've
been
talking
with
a
number
of
people
trying
to
think
about.
If
it
would
be
possible
to
bring
becoming
a
man
here,
I
think
it
might
be
expanding
to
New
York
City
as
well.
G
If
you
are
looking
for
what
can
we
do
immediately,
something
like
becoming
a
man
which
is
trauma-informed
cognitive,
behavioral
but
the,
but
is,
as
I
mentioned,
with
our
multiple
domains,
it
doesn't
work
with
individuals
in
their
peer
groups.
It
takes
kids
in
a
school
setting
and
brings
them
into
the
room
with
a
counselor.
In
my
mind,
if
we're
really
going
to
affect
change,
we
have
to
take
into
consideration.
The
Caterina
is
hanging
out
with
Caroline
and
Caterina.
Now
has
the
intervention,
but
Caroline
does
not.
G
What
does
that
mean,
but
I
think
there
are
ways
to
shape
the
intervention
in
the
inner
in
the
immediate
stages,
to
address
that
peer
group
to
reduce
the
code
of
the
street
and
the
culture
of
violence
that
supports
retaliation
and
carrying
a
gun.
But
it
has
to
be,
cannot
do
this
without
money
focus
deterrence,
I
love,
focused
deterrence.
But
if
you
are
to
take
me
aside
and
say
what
can
we
do
to
build
that
up?
G
Those
individuals
want
social
services,
we
could
put
individual,
we
can
put
law
enforcement
on
the
street
and
do
better
coordinated
law
enforcement,
but
until
you
have
those
jobs
for
those
individuals
who
are
ready,
they're
trusting
in
you
when
you
say
we're
here
to
help
you.
If
you
want
to
get
out
of
this
lifestyle
and
stop
shooting
a
job,
a
job
that
is
relevant
has
to
be
there.
D
Lost
me
for
a
minute
not
because
of
the
boring
data,
or
anything
like
that
is
I,
didn't
hear
the
complete
circle
that
sometimes
we
can
oversimplify
something
and
what
real
people
in
the
community
have
to
deal
with
is
a
level
of
stress
every
day
and
whether
it's
Maslow's
theory
of
hierarchal
need
which
I
heard
it
at
and
it
says
until
you're
a
warm.
You
won't
care
about
food
until
you
eat.
You
won't
care
about
where
your
house
is
and
so
on,
about
a
job
and
then
your
career,
what
you
actually
are
remembered
for.
D
So
it's
a
hierarchal
need
to
be
satisfied.
So
in
our
communities
I
like
to
like
on
Monday,
you
might
find
out
the
gas
is
getting
cut
off
on
Tuesday.
You
realize
that
you
got
a
layoff
notice
on
an
under
paying
job
that
you
getting
laid
off
on
Wednesday.
You
find
out
that
your
lady
is
leaving
you
because
of
those
other
two
things
by
Thursday.
D
You
are
got
an
eviction
notice
and
on
Friday
you
wanted
to
go
out
and
have
a
little
bit
of
relief
at
the
neighborhood
tavern,
and
somebody
knocked
your
last
twenty
dollar
drink
over
and
you
disrespected
me
in
doing
it
that
pressure
cooker
is
more
likely
to
be
that
any
drug
wars
or
anything
out
there.
The
reason
for
the
homicide
is
war,
those
kind
of
daily
life
pressures
that
aren't
are
going
unresolved.
So
you
won
me
back
when
you
said
we
have
to
if
you
solve
the
job
problem.
D
I'll
take
care
of
all
of
those
other
gasps.
Is
that
the
other?
To
take
some
of
that
pressure
off
me?
The
best
crime
prevention
thing
is
a
steady
job,
because
guess
what
I
can
solve
a
lot
of
those
problems,
including
you
know,
I,
feel
a
lot
better
about
myself,
knowing
instead
of
Friday
that
I
got
a
job
to
go
to
Monday
I'm,
not
going
it's
like
that
poster
what
happens
next?
You
know
there's
a
Monday
after
this
crisis,
so
we
have
to
solve
those
human
problems
in
neighborhoods.
D
A
He
could
take
here
all
those
things
that
he
want
to
take
care
of
ravage
sneaks
gravitate,
cares
big
mom,
paying
the
rent
and
so
forth,
and
that
makes
life
a
little
easier
for
him,
but
there's
also
another
component
in
terms
of
mental
health
right.
That
often
goes
unnoticed
inside
of
the
community.
Often
when
you
look
at
the
issue
of
drug
addiction
right,
it's
addiction
regardless,
if
we
look
at
it
from
a
recreational
standpoint,
what
young
person
is
totally
just
addicted
to
opioids?
They
take
xanax
percocet
pills.
A
It's
like
the
cool
thing
to
do
for
some
of
these
young
people,
drinking
liquor
and
so
forth.
Right
and
smoking
smoking
embalming
fluid
right
as
a
way
to
cope
with
the
harsh
reality
of
life
and
so
argument
on
social
media
can
go
from
zero
to
ten
taking
somebody's
life
because
they
feel
disrespected
on
on
social
media
in
terms
of
how
they
respond
to
a
person,
so-called
disrespecting
them
and
so
I.
A
Also
look
at
that
part
that
has
to
be
addressed
from
a
mental
health
standpoint
right
and
we
talk
about
public
health
and
addressing
the
behavioral
component
of
some
young
people,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
young
people
just
coping
and
getting
inside
our
neighborhoods,
particularly
poor
neighborhoods,
getting
high
just
to
let
life
go
a
little
ease
on
them,
and
so
that's
another
component
right,
cuz
I,
often
time
I
hear
get
him
a
job.
Everything's
gonna
be
great,
but
I
mean
a
lot
of
young
men
want
a
job
and.
A
This
is
what
I
do
I'm.
This
is
what
I'm
about
this
is
the
street
culture.
Lifestyle
is
what
I
bought
into,
and
it
kind
of
harder
was
that
we
try
to
focus
on
trying
to
get
them
express
themselves
and
something
that's
positive,
as
opposed
to
living
that
same
type
of
lifestyle.
So
I'm
agreeing
with
your
saying,
but
also
just
look
at
other
components,
also
to
kind
of
help
on
the
totality
of
a
person
to
try
to
get
them
on
the
right
path
and.
A
Agreeing
with
you,
though,
in
terms
of
we
need
the
resources,
because
you
just
we
never
want
to
rest
our
way
out
of
this
situation
right
and
so,
while
I'm
agreeing,
which,
because
I
read
a
study
that
one
of
my
staff
members
that
gave
me
in
Chicago,
had
a
program
that
they
slowly
focused
on
a
reduction
of
gun.
Violence
based
upon
the
level
of
resources
that
were
that
were
put
in
a
high
poverty
area
and
the
level
of
gun
violence
is
totally
went
down.
Based
upon
the
resources
that
were
poor
in
that
particular
zip
code.
G
There's
a
stigma
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
with
young
men
and
women
going
for
mental
health
services
and
I
think
that
again
is
part
of
why
we
see
interventions
like
ceasefire,
those
that
have
street
outreach
using
a
credible
messenger
to
say
here.
Here's
me
who's
been
like
you,
and
there
are
other
paths
here.
I
think
that's
important
I
just
want
to
say
when
it's
in
my
written
testimony,
but
I
did
not
have
a
chance
to
talk
about
it
in
my
other
work.
G
Besides
the
evaluative
work
that
I
do
I
had
a
study
to
look
at
gang,
leaving.
What
makes
you
that
you
dolt
leave
gangs.
We
interviewed
150
youth
between
the
ages
of
50
and
25
in
Philadelphia,
another
115
or
so
in
Washington
DC,
and
when
we
looked
at
their
reasons
for
leaving,
they
have
a
lot
to
do
with
who
is
in
their
social
networks.
If
there
was
leverage,
if
there
was
someone
pro-social
leveraging,
some
like
councilman
Jones
mentioned
some
bad
event.
G
When
you
take
the
bad
event-
and
you
put
it
with
resources
with
people
that
are
maybe
offering
you
a
job
or
a
place
to
sleep,
you
can't
live
over
there
because
he's
gonna
shoot
at
you.
You
need
to
come
over
here.
It
is
it's
not
just
the
job
that
isn't
by
truly
believe
that
it's
not
just
the
resources,
it
needs
to
be
the
human
capital,
augmented
with
that
kind
of
financial
capital
tailored.
A
Before
I
wrap
up,
I
almost
want
to
add
Shondell,
who
runs
the
office
of
violence
prevention,
just
to
give
us
overview.
In
his
perspective
on
reshaping
cuz,
you
talked
about
the
key
component
about
you
said
there
were
a
couple
of
organizations
that
was
doing
work,
but
the
lack
of
data
being
provided
kind
of
hinders
the
progress
of
moving
forward
and
addressing
this
issue
and
his
primary
purpose
under
office
of
violence
prevention
is
to
look
at
all
the
resources
that
are
spent
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
A
How
does
resources
are
being
spent
but,
most
importantly,
are
the
programs
been
effectively
getting
the
job
done
in
terms
of
I'm
addressing
the
issue
of
violence
prevention,
but
the
data
sharing
component
I
also
want
to
get
his
perspective
form
because
that's
key,
if
the
left
hand
doesn't
know
what
the
right
hand
is
doing
and
I
think
chairman
Bieber
are
dienes.
Approached
me
about
the
diversionary
programs,
like
a
thousand
diversionary
programs
here
in
the
sea
of
Philadelphia,
and
does
the
left
hand
know
what
the
right
hand
is
doing
and
so
Shondells
responsible
for
addressing
those
issues.
A
I
Think,
through
your
testimony,
a
few
key
things
that
you
said
it
really
makes
sense
and
that
we're
working
on
is
looking
at
all
the
programs
that
we
have
across
the
city
and
you're
asking
the
hard
questions
that
yeah
they
are
effective.
But
why
is
the
violence
still
going
up?
You
know
and
from
a
city's
perspective,
when
we
created
this
office,
we
look.
How
could
we
better
support
these
initiatives?
C
I
Know,
and
just
because
yeah
I
just
have
to
be
blunt
in
saying
just
because
someone
gets
out
of
jail
and
has
you
know
a
great
will
to
help
people?
Are
they
a
real?
Are
they
real
effective?
You
know,
so
we
have
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at
ourselves.
First
and
you
know
in
the
city
and
what
we're
doing
on
a
positive
level,
but
also
looking
at
all
the
resources
that
were
paying
for
you
know
and
saying:
are
they
in
the
right
areas?
Are
they
being
mobilized
correctly?
I
Is
the
city
supporting
them
correctly
and
then
do
they
have
the
proper
people
that
cannot
have
worked
these
initiatives?
You
know,
so
you
did
hit
on
a
few
positive
notes.
The
kind
of
inspired,
because
I
think
we're
on
the
same
page
here,
but
the
hard
part
is
the
evaluation
and
looking
at
not
only
what
we're
spending
money
on,
but
also
going
further.
I
You
know
finding
out
how
community
looks
at
these
organizations
and
these
initiatives,
because
we
we
know
so
much
that
if
yo,
no
matter
how
good
the
organization
is,
if
the
community
doesn't
see
it's
a
positive
asset
that
it's
not
gonna
be
effective.
So
we're
asking
the
hard
questions
you
know
and
we're
starting
to
looking
at
all
the
information
that's
gathered
and
trying
to
support
a
lot
of
agencies.
Now
you
have
a
lot
of
mom-and-pop
agencies
out
there.
I
Small
agencies
who
are
doing
great
work,
but
have
you
been
funded,
you
know,
and
why
not,
so
we're
asking
that
question
as
well,
but
I
think
moving
forward
and
what
we're
doing
you
know
we're
not
only
trying
to
just
find
out
whether
these
organizations
are
being
effective
but
also
trying
to
target
the
populations
that
have
the
most
stress
we're
looking
at
blight,
you
know
and
what
and
how
can
we
counteract
that?
You
know
because
you,
some
people
aren't
employable
they're,
not
that
stage
yet
so
we
can't
throw
a
job
at
them.
I
So
we
have
to
look
at
simple
things
like
how
can
we
feed
them?
You
know
you
have
a
lot
of
young
men
living
in
abandoned
houses.
You
know
in
a
simple
argument
over
you
know,
a
loaf
of
bread
or
a
beef
patty
will
lead
to
a
homicide.
You
know.
So
how
can
these
organizations
two
blocks
away?
Help
those
individuals,
you
know
and
I-
think
that's
where
we're
at
I
think.
G
That's
really
exciting.
Mastery
grads
is
moved
from
taking
ceasefire
in
the
schools
to
reduce
violence,
to
helping
feed
the
kids
and
focus
on
truancy
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
Shondell,
they
took
some
time
to
reevaluate.
How
do
we
start?
What
does
the
community
want
and
ended
up,
focusing
on
having
breakfast
meetings
with
the
students
and
moving
that
into
truancy
reduction?
It
was
a
really
I
think
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
what
you're
saying.
So
it's
exciting
the
work
that
you're
doing.
A
J
A
A
J
I'm
here
to
talk
about
my
work
in
community
engagement,
around
issues
of
trauma
and
my
work
really
not
just
around
engagement
but
working
with
communities
to
try
to
build
solutions
that
push
them
towards
a
trajectory
where
violence
is
a
normal
occurrence,
very,
very
normal
occurrence.
I
do
work
at
the
village,
art
of
Arts
and
Humanities,
primarily
I'm.
The
director
of
youth,
a
young
adult
programs,
were
in
the
Fair
Hill
neighborhood.
J
We
are
legitimately
like
we're
tenth
and
Germans
how
meat
we
own
ten
row
homes
in
that
area,
that
we
do
a
number
of
programs
and
offer
a
number
of
programming
out
of
to
the
neighborhood
at
large.
My
role
is
focusing
on
9
to
21
year
olds,
specifically
I.
Have
this
audacious
goal
to
get
try
to
get
up
to
age,
26
included
in
my
services,
your
funding
Israel.
So
in
context
my
work
didn't
start.
There.
I
actually
got
introduced
to
the
idea
of
trauma-informed
care
10
years
ago,
when
I
was
22
and
graduated.
J
The
University
of
the
Arts
is
a
music
major
and
ended
up
at
a
family
emergency
housing
facility
in
North,
Philadelphia
called
The,
Salvation,
Army
red
shield,
family
residence,
where
about
six
months
prior
to
my
joining
their
staff,
they
had
just
taken
on
a
model
called
the
sanctuary
model
created
by
Philadelphia's
own
dr.
Sandra
Blum.
They
were
the
first
emergency
housing
facility
in
the
city.
To
take
that
model
on
the
red
shield
is
also
a
very
unique
place.
In
general,
we
I
say
we
identify
they're,
so
hard
I
was
there
for
7
years.
J
I
didn't
imagine
that's
what
would
happen
when
I
walked
in
the
door,
but
I
stayed
there
for
7
years.
The
red
shield
will
take
in
families
of
all
size
and
makeup.
So
it's
a
very
interesting
space
in
place
to
actually
situate
a
model
like
the
sanctuary
model,
so
we
service
families
that
had
dads
in
the
family.
We
service
families
that
had
a
partner
that
was
male
in
the
family,
even
if
he
wasn't
biologically
the
parent
of
the
children.
J
We
can
have
boys
stay
with
the
family,
who
were
over
the
age
of
14,
just
again
very
uncommon.
In
the
emergency
housing
landscape
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
but
it
also
exposed
us
to
the
complexity
of
trauma,
historical
trauma
and
the
ways
that
people
adapt
and
change
to
circumstances
that
are
very
much
so
out
of
their
control.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
context
of
some
of
the
things
I'm
gonna
share
with
you
briefly.
I
also
want
to
highlight
that
a
lot
of
my
work
actually
included
this
gentleman
to
my
left.
Mr.
J
Robert
Reed
I'm,
working
with
him
and
Department
of
Justice
locally
here
to
address
youth,
homicide
and
homicide
and
community
trauma
in
the
22nd
Police
District.
We
did
that
for
three
years
he
was
doing
that
work
before
I
was
with
him,
but
I
was
with
him
for
three
years
over
my
ten
years
of
work
in
this
world
of
trauma-informed
interventions
and
practice,
I've
come
to
understand
the
power
of
environments
psychologically,
biologically
and
socially
I've
read
a
lot
and
been
able
to
talk
to
a
number
of
researchers
from
a
number
of
fields.
J
There's
one
in
particular
that
stands
out
to
me.
She
is
a
neonatologist
at
chop.
Her
name
is
dr.,
Hallam
hurt
and
she
did
a
landmark
longitudinal
study
around
the
crack
crack
epidemic
as
it
related
to
young
people
in
gestation
and
then
their
development
throughout
the
lifespan
she
I
think
stopped
when
they
reached
somewhere
their
mid-20s
dr.
Hertz
research
talked
heavily
by
the
end
about
the
power
of
environments,
because
what
people
assumed
would
happen
is
that
if
you
were
born
addicted
to
crack,
you
would
just
be
bottomed
out.
That
was
not
the
case
at
all.
J
The
opposite
is
that
people
assume
that
if
you
were
born
not
addicted,
you
would
be
fine
and
developmentally
you'd
work.
Well,
that
wasn't
the
case
all
of
I'm
gonna
buttoning
down
her
research
a
bit
and
not
doing
it
justice,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
after
20-plus
years
of
research,
using
a
number
of
psychological
and
biological
tests.
J
From
that
context,
the
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
and
I
want
to
quote
Tony
Morrison
on
this
her
last
book.
It's
actually
called
god
bless
the
child
interesting
article
in
The
Guardian.
She
wanted
to
name
it
the
wrath
of
children.
She
said
that
the
book
isn't
just
about
anger.
She
says
it's
about
something
stronger
about
children's
fury
about
what
adults
have
done
to
them
and
how
they
tried
to
get
through
it
and
over
it
and
around
it
and
how
it
affected
them.
J
That
quote,
arrested
me
and
my
soul,
because,
again
with
the
issue
of
homicide
and
gun,
violence
and
trauma,
I
think
sometimes
we
are
short-sighted
and
how
we're
looking
at
contextualizing
the
problem
and
how
we're
looking
at
long-term
interventions
to
solve
the
problem.
I
think
what
we
are
seeing,
whether
the
violence
is
through
mobs,
that
we
get
riled
up
about
with
flash
mobbing
and
the
violence
that
comes
from
that
or
whether
it's
literal
gun
violence.
We
are
watching
the
wrath
of
children.
J
That
I
think
is
explained
quite
beautifully
in
that
quote
from
Toni
Morrison,
and
so
what
I
want
to
submit
for
your
consideration?
For
my
years
of
working
with
families,
I
tried
to
start
a
process
of
counting
how
many
families
and
children
I've
worked
with
in
ten
years
and
by
the
time
I
literally
got
to
a
thousand
I
stopped,
because
I
was
nervous
for
myself
and
what
that
would
mean
to
me.
J
So
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
John
Powell
and
academic
talks
about
that
whenever
we
are
considering
policies
to
address
poverty
is
important
to
have
a
sense
where
populations
are
situated
within
our
national
imagination
and
within
our
national
structures
and
I
want
to
ask
you:
could
you
imagine
Fair
Hill
that
region?
Can
you
imagine
Camden
with
a
space
and
place
where
violence
is
normal?
Can
you
imagine
if
Amazon
did
go
to
Camden
and
dropped
fifty
thousand
jobs
in
the
middle
of
Camden?
J
The
idea
of
getting
a
job
where
you
can
go
to
CVS
or
just
push
leaves
that's
kind
of
out
the
window
now,
particularly
for
the
young
people
and
the
families
that
we're
talking
about,
if
they're
going
to
get
a
livable
wage,
which
is
what
I
hear
them
scream
about
over
and
that
scream
in
a
way
that's
belligerent.
But
it's
a
plea.
Over
and
over
again,
we've
got
to
think
about
how
we
bridge
them
out
of
that
I
guess.
J
The
question
that
comes
next
for
me
is
how
much
risk
is
acceptable,
how
much
ecological,
biological,
economical
psychological
risk
are
we
willing
to
allow
people
to
nest
in
that's
a
question
I
think
we
have
to
ask
in
the
context
of
public
health
in
this
idea
of
Epidemiology
how,
when
we
know
it's
that
complex
and
layered
are
really
comfortable
with
that
and
sitting
with
that,
and
are
we
thinking
about
what
are
the
long
term?
I
can't
see
that
at
all
so
want
me
to
thank
you
I.
J
Are
we
comfortable
with
what
it
means
to
try
to
move
forward
in
a
way
where
we
understand
the
answers
were
seeking
for
have
not
been
built?
That
is
what
my
work
in
research
have
shown
me
hand
over
foot,
I'm,
doing
work
in
Richmond,
Virginia
training,
police
officers
on
a
two-year
contract
around
the
adolescent,
brain
and
trauma
theory,
and
what's
fascinating
again
as
I
travel,
people
are
searching
for
answers
that
don't
yet
exist.
I
want
to
close
with
offering
something
that
I
found
that
the
neighbor
office
of
neighborhood
safety
in
Richmond
California
is
doing.
J
They
created
an
18-month
fellowship
program,
that's
similar
to
any
postgraduate
fellowship
program,
but
this
one
is
designed
specifically
for
active
firearm
offenders.
Who've
avoided
sustained
criminal
consequences.
This
is
from
a
CNN
article,
each
fellow
commits
to
promoting
peace
in
his
community
and
to
a
life
without
guns.
They
get
hooked
up
with
jobs
and
anger
management
experts.
A
life
map
is
provided
detailing,
the
barriers
they
face
and
what
they
must
do
to
overcome
them.
J
Six
months
into
the
fellowships,
the
young
men
can
apply
for
the
monthly
stipend
which
can
go
up
to
$1,000,
depending
on
their
participation
and
achievements,
most
earn
anywhere
between
three
hundred
to
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
month.
They
can
make
this
money
for
up
to
nine
months.
During
the
fellowships
the
young
men
meet
with
mothers
whose
children
were
killed
by
gun
violence,
they
visit
colleges
and
they
meet
business
leaders
with
the
help
of
private
donations,
they've
traveled
to
places
like
the
nation's
capital
in
Chicago,
as
well
as
outside
the
country
to
spots
in
Mexico.
J
In
South
Africa
and
once
they're
done
through
the
program,
it
is
possible
for
them
to
reapply
for
another
18
months.
This
is
the
kind
of
creativity,
innovation
in
ingenuity
we
have
to
look
at.
We
cannot
any
longer
say
that
someone's
mental
health
weighs
more
than
their
economic
well-being.
I'm
going
to
submit
to
you
that
there,
in
an
our
city
at
least
I'm
gonna
talk
locally.
Those
two
things
are
inexplicably
tied
and
there's
no
way
to
tease
them
out
for
the
folks
that
we're
talking
about
who
are
most
at
risk
to
gun
violence.
J
J
K
Good
afternoon
councilman
Johnson
and
the
committee,
my
name
is
Marybeth
Hayes
and
in
my
testimony
today,
I
come
to
you
with
over
20
years
of
providing
outpatient
therapy
social
work,
support
to
those
affected
by
gun
violence
by
way
of
Kovac,
Tamarama
side,
individuals
who
have
sustained
non-fatal
injuries
and
witness
to
community
violence.
I
have
trained
in
contextual
family
therapy
and
continue
to
train
and
I.
Am
a
professor
of
mindfulness
based
play
family
therapy
with
a
contextual
model.
K
This
is
important
in
part,
as
I
have
co-authored
a
chapter
about
families
who
experience
homicide
as
it
retains
to
dr.
blooms.
Work
in
looking
at
the
sanctuary
model
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
currently
I'm
at
Temple,
University
and
I
serve
as
a
program
manager,
community
intervention
specialists
for
the
healing
hurt
people
program,
which
is
a
replication
based
model
originating
out
of
hanaman
and
st.
Chris.
K
But
in
fact,
with
the
intervention
program
at
Temple
is
specific
to
serving
the
medical
and
behavioral
and
social
service
needs
of
victims
of
interpersonal
violence
in
Philadelphia
at
Temple
we're
serving
both
men
and
women
of
color
ages,
14
to
30.
The
program
focuses
on
the
victims
of
interpersonal
injury,
whether
they've
been
shot,
stabbed
or
assaulted,
that
are
seen
in
the
emergency
department
and
are
at
risk
for
recurrent
injury
perpetration
by
retaliation
or
death
and
to
address
both
the
physical
and
psychological
rooms
of
trauma.
K
Hhp
has
been
funded
by
the
department
of
behavioral
health
and
intellectual
disability
services
since
2007
our
goal
is
to
transition
hhp
from
grant
funding
to
assist
anÃbal
reimbursement
model.
More
recently,
cbh
the
not-for-profit
corporation,
created
by
the
city,
to
provide
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
service
to
Medicaid
recipients
is
assessing
the
process
of
reimbursement
for
clinical
services,
delivered
it
by
hhp
at
temple.
K
The
goal
I
think
in
looking
at
hhp
and
how
we're
trying
to
intervene
in
this
there's
an
evaluation
at
hhp.
That's
providing
data
on
the
medical,
the
behavioral
health
and
the
social
services
received
by
their
clients
and
controls
over
a
six
month
period
after
injury
data
are
being
gathered
on
reinjure
e
criminal
justice
involvement
and
key
mental
health
and
medical
outcomes,
including
post-traumatic
stress
disorder,
substance
use
and
functional
status.
K
Recognizing
the
power
of
hhp
and
impressed
with
the
support
of
the
philadelphia
DBH
ids
provided
the
casey
Foundation
and
the
Stoney
Foundation
have
also
joined
the
hhp
to
support
research
in
an
effort
to
demonstrate
the
effectiveness
of
hhp
at
the
replication
sites
in,
in
addition
to
the
original
hospitals.
The
research
is
also
innovative
that
it
builds
on
an
array
of
existing
data
across
the
four
hospitals,
including
data
from
an
an
ongoing
evaluation
study,
case
management
data
and
healthcare
utilization
data
and
uses
this
data
to
inform
and
design
the
new
model
of
care.
K
It's
it's
been
a
productive
program.
I've
been
there
since
May
of
2015
I
can
bring
to
you
a
couple
of
case
examples
where
we
were
able
to
best
utilize,
our
techniques
and
our
skills.
There's
a
woman
that
we
interface
with
I
met
this
woman
at
bedside,
twenty-seven-year-old,
african-american
female,
who
was
treated
and
discharged
from
temple
ZD
due
to
an
orbital
fracture
and
a
broken
tooth.
When
I
had
met
this
woman,
she
was
very
distraught.
K
The
assessment
was
made
and
before
this
one
was
discharged,
there
was
an
idea
of
safety
which
is
a
primary
concern
of
hhp,
not
only
physical,
psychological
and
emotional
of
what
the
status
was
to
the
neighborhood,
to
which
she
was
returning
as
it
pertained
to
retaliation
and
the
safety
of
her
two
children,
ages,
2
and
4,
and
her
partner
in
part
in
hopes
that
he
would
not
be
kind
of
a
defendant
in
protecting
his
own
family.
So
this
kind
of
success
goes
on
regularly.
This
woman
did
have.
K
She
did
present
with
enough
of
a
high
scoring
that
she
did
present
with
PTSD
and
some
mild
depression.
The
services
that
we
were
able
to
navigate
from
a
case
management
system
included,
PHA,
Northwest,
Victim,
Services
RHD
for
ongoing
behavioral
health,
but
ultimately
the
outcome
for
this
woman.
Given
the
intensity
of
the
case
management,
she
was
able
to
successfully
return
to
work
with
minimal
repair
in
impairment.
We
were
able
to
get
her
outpatient
surgery
through
Episcopal.
All
things
considered,
this
was
what
we
would
consider
something
successful.
K
K
He
knew
and
consented
to
ceasefire
involvement
so
that
when
he
came
back
to
the
streets
for
an
18
year,
old
male
that
had
a
disruption
in
his
life
right
or
wrong
had
already
been
shot
and
injured.
That
there
would
be
support
for
him,
intellectually,
but
also
support
for
him
for
him
in
the
streets
perspective
of
when
he
returned
to
the
streets,
could
we
get
him
back
into
school?
So
this
is
a
young
man
that
we've
helped
from
a
very
bottom
line,
obtain
a
state
ID.
So
he
can
interview
for
jobs.
K
He
needed
a
state
ID,
so
he
could
get
enrolled
in
a
GED
program
which
he
attends
regularly.
He
needed
to
have
support,
so
we
could
communicate
with
probation
when
we
needed
him
out
and
when
we
needed
him
to
be
available
for
services
as
he
is
currently
on
house
arrest.
We
provide
the
court
accompaniment
so
that
we
can
talk
with
the
defenders
association
about
what
this
young
man
really
brings
to
the
table
and
how
valuable
he
is
to
to
our
community.
K
And
so
these
are
the
kinds
of
collaboration
that
make
it
really
clear
for
me,
I
can
come
in
with
book-smart.
I
can
come
in
with
over
20
years
of
experience,
but
the
need
for
us
to
collaborate
and
work
as
teams,
as
we
see
individuals
and
in
much
what
you
were
saying
Michael
as
a
contextual
therapist,
it
is
impossible
for
me
to
walk
my
own
life
or
look
at
any
one
of
you
and
believe
you
are
it.
You
come
from
somewhere.
K
You
come
from
a
legacy
and
to
understand
that
trauma
is
contagious
and
it
is
inherited,
and
we
all
live
with
gifts
that
we
were
granted
from
our
families
that
we
appreciate
and
those
that
we
wish
we
never
took
on.
The
idea
is
that
the
kind
of
behavioral
health
that
we
need
to
fully
treat
individuals
amidst
family
systems
almost
does
not
exist
in
this
city.
K
One
positive
connection:
one
opportunity
for
treatment
is
better
than
not
I
won't
disagree,
but
to
hold
that
child
accountable
as
a
symptom
bearer
for
a
larger
system
that
needs
to
be
involved
and
folded
into
their
care,
and
their
treatment
is
much
more
of
a
priority
and
it
very
difficult
to
find
behavioral
health
services
that
don't
look
at
medication
first,
that
don't
only
treat
the
child
and
and
and
not
bring
in
the
family.
It's
very,
very
difficult.
K
K
I
love
working
with
individuals
who
are
alive,
I
worked
in
over
twenty
with
twenty
years
of
working
with
homicide,
so
I'm
delighted
to
be
here
in
any
opportunity
beyond
today
that
I
can
further
this
kind
of
a
dialogue,
I'm
happy
to
sit
with
you
and
before
you
and
any
I'll
take
any
questions.
Of
course,
one.
A
D
K
I
wish
I
could
note
it
and
again.
I
may
do
a
little
google
here
just
one
moment,
but
the
idea
that
I
think
in
comparison
to
China,
we
are
five
times
more
likely
to
medicate.
A
medication
has
a
place,
don't
get
me
wrong.
Sometimes
it
is
useful.
Sometimes
it
is
necessary.
It
is
not
my
first
go
to,
nor
would
it
ever
be.
My
first
recommendation
the
idea
that
often
times
and
other
societies
and
other
communities
they
look
at
family.
First,
they
don't
medicate.
Then
they
look
at
school,
they
don't
medicate.
K
Then
they
look
at
the
the
home
environment
or
the
community
in
which
their
existing
and
they
don't
medicate,
and
then
they
look
at
overall
functioning
in
the
world
as
it
relates
to
academia
and
brain
growth,
and
then
they
might
consider
medication,
whereas
in
the
u.s.
we
tend
to
this
is
not
across
the
board.
A
When
I
was
little
and
I
gave
my
mom
like
a
hard
hearts,
I
go
over
and
over
again
and
we
had
to
go
to
chop
before
home.
You
know
high
dressing
right,
but
then
we
had
to
look
at
the
whole
family
environment
and
then
we
had
to
have
conversations
about.
What's
going
on
in
a
house
to
try
to
get
to
the
root
cause.
You
know
why
I
was
acting
out.
A
D
He
would
take
that
strap,
yeah
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
pleased,
no
one
watching
this
I,
don't
advocate
any
of
that.
You
know.
There's
more
modern
techniques,
but
a
father
in
a
home
helps
father
in
a
home
that
has
the
respect
of
their
children,
helps
father
and
a
home
who
has
good
self-esteem
about
himself
projects
dad
want
to
his
kids
and
and.
K
The
ideas
that
we
do
need
to
take
a
look
at
in
how
individuals
are
presenting
in
the
world,
in
particular
children,
because
their
bodies
are
less
likely
to
be
regulated,
and
so,
when
there
is
injustice
they
let
us
know
and
for
whatever
injustice
is
developmentally
appropriate
in
the
way
that
we
absorb
it.
We
really
need
to
hold
normal
development
well
before
we
start
medicating
for
what
is
considered
abnormal
development,
which,
in
all
in
all
honesty,
is
normal
development.
So
you
know
I
think.
K
As
we
look
at
trauma-informed
care,
we
we
ensure
that
our
practitioners
are
walking
it
and
taking
care
of
themselves.
I,
don't
know
how
we
enforce
that,
but
it's
something
hold
true
to
that.
We
look
at
who
the
individuals
are.
They
were
asking
to
care
for
the
individuals
who
are
traumatized.
Many
of
them
are
traumatized
and
have
not
done
their
own
work.
A
L
A
L
L
You
thank
you,
so
let
me
just
say
that
I
think
I
know
almost
everybody
in
this
room,
many
by
the
first
name
and
it's
a
privilege
to
say
that
I've
worked
with
so
many
of
them,
because
the
work
that
has
been
done
has
been
extraordinary
and
I've
learned.
So
much
and
I
just
thought
that
I
could
add
a
little
bit
to
this
conversation,
although
it's
hard
to
follow
the
last
two
speakers
on
this
panel
because
they
were
so
eloquent.
L
First
of
all,
I
commend
you
for
having
a
discussion
on
trauma
and
the
public
health
crisis
that
we
see
with
respect
to
guns.
We
also
have
one
with
respect
to
opioids.
We
may
very
well
have
one
with
respect
to
hate
and
I'm
here
to
say
that
as
a
long
time
really
career
prosecutor,
that
law
enforcement
is
really
just
a
small
part
of
any
solution
that
we
come
up
with,
that.
L
The
lessons
I've
learned
from
the
Joel
finds
of
the
world
and
the
sandy
blooms
and
and
and
the
other
people
who
are
the
Giants
in
this
field
or
working
in
this
field,
including
healing,
hurt
people,
has
really
changed
the
way.
I
look
at
it.
Yes,
we
can
arrest
people
and
we
should
arrest
people
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
that
and
yes,
people
should
go
to
jail.
L
I,
get
that
I've
done
it,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
really
need
to
focus
on
really
really
get
down
and
understand
what
it
means
to
be
in
a
public
health
crisis
and
to
really
see
that
the
solutions
are
not
again
an
armed
force
in
a
community?
But
it
really
is
the
effort
to
try
to
bring
I
would
say
kind
of
connectivity
to
people.
We
live
in
a
country
right
now
that
is
so
divided
on
political
grounds.
L
On
racial
grounds,
and
so
many
other
grounds,
we
need,
from
the
first
day
to
teach
people
not
just
that
all
people
have
rights
under
the
Constitution
to
be
equal,
but
we
need
to
teach
them
what
equality
means.
We
need
to
really
humanize
the
conversation,
which
is
that
we
need
to
teach
people
about
humanity.
L
The
one
thing
I
have
seen
in
working
with
Michael
Bryan
and
other
people
who
do
the
great
work
and
actually
going
in
the
community
is
that
there
is
an
absence
of
hope
and
there
is
an
absence
of
a
future
and
no
number
of
police
officers
on
the
street
is
going
to
change
that.
We
need
to
come
together
and
I
know
that
sounds
may
be
even
right.
L
You
can
start
to
understand
that
people
in
Philadelphia
really
are
suffering
in
the
very
same
way.
The
people
there
are
dying
of
the
opioid
crisis
are
dying
in
the
same
way,
people
in
Philadelphia
are
dying
and
the
stigma
that
we
heard
about
before
it
goes
to
mental
illness.
It
goes
to
addiction,
it
goes
to
being
in
Philadelphia,
poor
people
who
are
outside
of
Philadelphia.
We
need
to
start
talking
more
openly
about
it.
L
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
tried
to
do
and
I
tried
to
do
in
the
US,
Attorney's,
Office
and
I'm,
trying
to
bring
it
to
the
state
as
well,
is
to
drink,
bring
trauma
and
foreign
practices
to
the
institutions
as
well.
I
mean
people
like
healing,
hurt
people,
Mike,
O'brien,
chopped
Joel,
fine,
others
and
Dorothy.
Does
it
with
her
reentry
program,
women
working
for
a
change?
They
are
trying
to
give
opportunities
to
people
in
a
trauma-informed
way
where
they
otherwise
wouldn't
have
any
hope.
They've
given
people
a
new
start,
but
the
institutions
as
dr.
L
bloom
talks
about
need
to
change
as
well.
We
can't
just
say
it's
all
individuals
it
has
to
be
are
literally,
our
society
has
to
become
trauma-informed,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
when
we
started
this
when
I
was
in
the
US
Attorney's
Office,
we
provided
training
to
the
Philadelphia
Police
Department
and
certain
officers
in
the
16th
and
22nd
district
to
learn
about
trauma
and
trauma-informed
care.
Why
did
we
do
that
because
number
one?
It's
a
police,
wellness
issue,
I
think
it's
a
community
policing
issue.
L
My
view
is
that
a
lot
of
the
police
don't
get
it
about
the
people
they
serve
and
a
lot
of
the
people
in
the
community
don't
get
anything
about
what
about
the
people
that
serve
them,
and
so
we
need
to
break
that
division.
We
need
to
keep
it
from
the
separate
silos,
bring
people
together
so
that
they
understand
what
each
is
feeling
I
mean.
I
know
officers
want
to
return
home
safe
every
day,
but
the
people
in
the
community
want
to
live
safely
every
day,
but
neither
understand
I
mean
I'm,
making
these
mass
generalizations.
L
But
that
was
my
experience
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
saw
was
that
a
lot
of
police
are
experiencing
either
direct
trauma
or
vicarious
trauma
in
working
in
those
high
crime
areas,
and
so
they
need
to
know
how
to
take
care
of
themselves.
They
need
to
understand
empathy
and
what
it
means
to
be
empathic
to
walk
in
someone
else's
shoes
to
actually
understand
what
it
is
that
the
people
they
serve
are
going
through.
So
we've
worked
with
dr.
L
Berkowitz
from
because
it's
Pennsylvania
Hospital
/pan
now
and
Linda
rich
out
of
his
love,
Craighead
from
the
police
department,
and
then
we've
worked
with
dr.
Bluhm
to
do
similar
programs
for
people
and
probation
and
parole
on
the
state
and
federal
levels.
We've
also
done
it
for
people
in
the
reentry
area.
So
dr.
bloom
came
to
women
working
for
a
change.
I
was
blown
away,
the
women
there
were
traumatized
and
they
had
suffered.
You
talk
about
adverse
childhood
experiences.
L
These
women
didn't
have
a
chance,
but
Dorothy
gave
them
that
chance
and
we
needed
to
give
them
that
understanding
and
that
help
and
that
wraparound
assistance
and
that's
why
focused
deterrence
and
we
did
something
we
have
reentry
courts.
In
the
federal
level
we
had
a
project
safe,
neighborhoods,
Collin
program.
These
are
all
efforts
to
wraparound
opportunities
they're,
not
precisely
maybe
the
focus
to
turns
as
trauma-informed,
but
the
idea
is
to
give
people
respect
and
opportunity.
There
has
to
be
also
the
trauma-informed
piece.
L
So,
in
my
view,
what
we
do
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
say:
yes,
please
have
their
part
prosecutors
have
their
part
probation
officers
have
their
part,
but
they
as
institutions
need
to
much
better
understand
the
people
that
they're
serving,
and
so
let
me
just
finish
by
saying
again:
I
will
just
underline
this
idea
that
we
have
to
bring
people
together.
We
have
to
understand
that
we
are
all
human
and
it
sounds
again.
A
Institutions,
look
at
the
makeup
of
the
foot
off.
The
police
department
is
predominantly
Caucasian
as
relates
to
the
populations
that
they
are
serving
are
predominantly
African
Americans.
So
there
has
to
be
a
level
of
balance
of
diversity,
but
also
cultural
awareness
in
terms
of
separate
from
the
trauma.
A
So
officers
know
when
the
communities
that
they're
working
at
different
nuances
of
why
people
respond
and
act
the
way
they
act
right
and
give
me
a
classic
example
in
certain
school
settings
right
when
you
interact
with
a
young
person
who
may
be
acting
out
depending
on
what
school
you
in
would
type
the
teacher
and
the
teacher
skills
will
determine
if
that
child's
go
straight
to
the
principal's
office
and
get
suspended
or
a
timeout
and
having
a
conversation
to
kind
of
really
find
out.
We're
surely
going
on
young
man
come
to
school,
he's
not
eating.
A
A
They
know
I'm
from
Point
Breeze,
and
these
are
guys
that
kind
of
just
get
it
so
they're,
not
just
one
jump
off
the
bikes
that
go
and
say
you
know
what
I'm
locking
up
this
kid
just
because
he
got
smart,
but
more
so
have
that
dialogue
that
time
that
conversation
with
the
young
person,
but
a
lot
of
it,
also
comes
to
skillset
and
trainings
and
kind
of
just
recognizing
when
you
just
but
the
customer
some
a
lot
of
times
and
I've
seen.
This
number
turn
this
over
telling
getting
after
this
a
lot
of
times.
A
That's
how
to
at
least
calmly
situations
that
I've
been
in
and
competent
and
situational
I've
seen
escalate,
I'm
gonna,
pull
over
conversation
or
a
simple
telling
me
to
get
off
the
corner.
How
you
say
how
you
go
about
saying
it
can
determine
if
this
situation
escalates
or
not,
but
all
that
all
that
goes
into
the
type
of
training
from
an
institutional
standpoint.
But
when
you
talk
about
the
prosecutors
and
the
probation
of
parole,
that
takes
it
to
a
whole,
a
whole
different
level
as
well.
So
insight
and.
L
Just
to
follow
up
in
your
example
as
councilman
Jones
knows
as
well
as
I.
Do
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
Institute
in
Strawberry
Mansion,
but
a
whole
bunch
of
other
schools?
Are
these
things
called
youth
courts,
and
that
was
an
effort
to
change
the
system
from
a
punitive
system
where
you
would
automatically
suspend
somebody
to
restore
to
justice
system
where
you
would
ask
those
questions
or
at
least
give
the
child
an
opportunity
to
say.
L
Look
my
dad
overdosed
last
night
or
I
had
to
take
care
of
the
kids
and
I
didn't
get
any
sleep
and
I
was
get
call
from
my
dad
in
the
middle
of
class
and
I
didn't
know
what
was
going
on.
So
you
get
context,
that's
what's
missing
and
and
and
I
think
that
the
problem
is,
is
that
there
is
this?
There's
this
division,
the
silo
we've
talked
about
between
institutions
between
people
and
served
and
those
servers,
and
we
have
to
end
that
and
it
will
require
an
extraordinary
amount
of
training
and
I.
L
Think,
though,
my
experience
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
the
reentry
area
and
I
have
been
amazed
at
even
going
and
talking
to
correctional
officers,
who
you
would
at
least
I.
My
own
bias
would
be
no
way,
but
I
have
had
people
come
up
after
presentations
after
meeting
with
people
who
have
come
out
and
done
well
in
reentry,
and
they
have
been
so
open
to
the
idea
of
looking
at
the
people
that
they
are
guarding
and
serving
in
a
different
way
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we
need
to
get
to
as
well.
Councilman.
J
Go
ahead,
may
I'm,
so
I
think
there's
something
Rob
just
said
about
bias
that
I
think
is
play
plays
a
role
and
what
you
just
described,
with
officers
and
institutions,
cultural
practices
and
behavior.
It's
not
in
what
you
say
and
I
think
we'd
be
just
not
true
to
what
we're
talking
about.
If
we
didn't
just
highlight
that
bias
is
a
real
problem
and
the
work
of
dr.
John
rich
in
that
area,
I
think
is
very
important
as
he's
pushing
forward
those
ideas.
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out.
Sorry
councilman.
M
M
So
we
actually
doubled
the
number
of
social
workers
in
schools
and
we
revamp
the
program
through
cbh
so
that
it
actually
comes
with
a
more
service-oriented
type
of
approach
towards
the
whole
school
in
the
family
we
haven't
made.
Yet
we've
been
trying
to
work
on
whether
there
is
value
and
seeing
that
happen
across
all
schools,
as
opposed
into
the
21:12.
M
The
you
know,
39
schools
that
we're
currently
in
out
of
the
200
and
some
public
schools
that
we
currently
have
and
I'd
be
interested
in
mr.
O'brien
and
miss
or
dr.
Hayes
I'm.
Sorry,
miss
Hayes
in
your
reflections
on
that.
What
whether
you've
seen
that
in
other
settings,
how
effective
it
is
and
what
we
would
need
to
consider
if
we
were
to
try
and
make
that
case
currently
with
the
city
and
the
school
district.
K
Okay,
so
yeah
for
a
good
amount
of
those.
My
years
I've
provided
therapy
as
it
related
to
homicide
in
the
schools
as
a
non
school
district,
employee,
a
non-parent,
a
non
subcontracted
just
for
spree
for
service
and
I
would
say,
although
doubling
the
number
of
social
workers
is
credited
I,
would
be
interested
in
the
ratio
of
the
number
of
children
they
need
to
follow,
and
the
impossibility
in
my
experience
that
you
know
when
I
would
move
from
school
to
school,
to
see.
K
Maybe
two
children
here
or
three
siblings
here
I
could
have
been
how
used
in
anyone's
school
at
times
five,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
I,
don't
you
know
it
becomes
an
issue
of
understanding
the
truth
of
what
the
needs
are
in
the
reality
of
what
the
restraints
from
the
resource
standpoint
is
so
continue
on.
I
think
you'll,
like
what
you
see
the
other
piece
of.
Why
I
feel
like
at
this
point
in
my
career
with
hhp
I,
get
to
serve
offenders
as
well
as
victims.
Oftentimes
victims
are
offenders,
and
offenders
or
victims.
K
I
come
from
a
long
history
of
working
with
the
victim
side
of
violence,
and
so
the
beauty
in
that
is
that
we
can
capture
more
individuals
and
the
truth
of
who
people
really
are.
My
sense
is
that
we're
gonna
need
a
lot
more
social
workers.
What
I
do
at
Temple
when
I
work
in
collaboration
with
ceasefire,
it
has
a
licensed
professional
I
have
ethics
that
I
must
abide
by,
and
so
there
comes
a
point
in
my
day.
K
Sometimes
where
I
have
to
figure
out
do
I
have
to
file
a
report
in
my
style
is
to
you
know
if,
if
it
is
any
one
individual,
they
will
know
before
the
system
knows
that
this
is
what
I
need
to
do.
According
to
my
ethics,
individuals
that
do
not
have
degrees
that
are
merited
in
their
communities
where
they
come
from
and
may
our
neighbors
to
one
another
have
a
different
level
of
responsibility
and
freedom
to
move
about,
delicate
circumstances
in
a
way
that
I
need
to
involve
other
systems.
So
I
think.
K
While
you
look
at
hopefully
increasing
your
numbers
of
resource
as
it
pertains
to
the
needs
of
children.
I
did
some
outpatient
work
for
RHD
years
ago
and
we
reduced
the
number
of
patients
that
myself
and
other
clinicians
were
seeing
that
had
primary
caseloads
of
children
in
part,
because
there
were
so
many
involved
systems
with
the
children
much
more
than
then
serving
adults.
K
So
we
had
a
different
ratio
so
when
I
think
about
social
workers
in
a
school
setting
and
how
many
children
they're
following
and
if
you
take
the
notion
that
that
child
comes
from
a
family
system
that
has
all
kinds
of
needs.
You
need
a
lot
of
time
and
you
need
a
lot
of
smart
people
not
to
over
diagnosed
or
overreact
or.
M
G
K
Biased
and
take
into
consideration
the
truth
of
where
the
child
comes
from
so
again,
I
think
your
efforts
are
needed
and
warranted
and
I
appreciate
you
doubling
the
numbers
and
for
all
those
social
workers
that
went
to
work
today
and
will
go
to
work
tomorrow,
get
more
of
them
and
get
a
lot
more
of
them,
because
you're
gonna
need
them.
Can.
L
Can
I
add
just
one
little
thing?
I'm.
Sorry,
even
though
I
wasn't
one
of
the
people
who
this
was
directed
at
Joe
Torre,
who
is
a
former
Yankee
manager
and
great
baseball
player,
I
met
through
Joel,
dr.
fine
and,
and
he
was
a
co-chair
of
the
defending
childhood
children.
Exposure
to
violence,
task
force,
department,
justice
effort
and
he
started
a
program
in
schools
and
I
think
he
called
it
Margaret's
place.
The
bottom
line
was
he
had
been,
and
his
mother
was
a
major
victim
of
domestic
violence.
L
His
father
was
a
police
detective
and
he
also,
of
course,
had
some
abuse,
but
he
felt
that
it
was
really
important
to
fund
and
support
social
workers
in
schools
and
to
have
a
sanctuary
a
safe
place
in
schools,
where
kids
knew
they
could
go,
they
knew
they
were
safe
and
while
his
primary
interest
was
domestic
violence,
so
people
could
speak
about
that.
It
was
also
about
bullying,
so
I
actually
went
up
and
visited
school
in
Queens
and
I
thought.
L
J
If
I
may,
just
to
piggyback
I,
think
there's
also
a
role
for
Community
Programs
so
to
quickly
answer
your
previous
question
in
councilman
Johnson,
it
is
operation,
peacemakers
and
they've
actually
seen
a
76
percent
reduction
in
homicide
in
Richmond
since
2009
when
they
instituted
a
program.
They
say
it's
not
just
a
program,
it's
a
couple.
J
What
they've
been
doing
with
policing
and
also
focusing
on
just
jobs
in
general
in
the
region,
but
I
did
want
to
give
you
that
information
on
many
of
the
leading
trauma
experts
internationally,
who
are
also
focused
on
human
growth,
in
actualizing,
human
potential
for
healing
and
moving
beyond
incidents,
also
credit
work
around
narratives
art-making,
the
body
ways
that
people
can
address
two
main
things:
the
meaning
that
they've
made
out
of
their
experiences
that
become
the
autobiographical
narrative
in
their
heads.
That's
then
also
promoting
the
stress
response
systems.
J
Sometime,
most
kids
are
not
going
to
go
to
therapy,
we're
very
we're
very
honest
in
my
10
years
of
working
as
part
of
that
being
my
job
that
it
doesn't
happen.
The
services
are
not
in
the
neighborhood.
The
bus
as
a
complication
is
so
much
Eponine,
but
there
are
programs
and
there
are
organizations
who,
if
they
were
trained
in
very
specific
ways
and
partnered
with
a
social
worker
or
a
therapist
who
was
indeed
trauma-informed
and
growth.
Centered
new
things
could
happen.
J
I
think
that's
the
beauty
of
where
I
work,
the
village
of
arts
and
humanities
I
spent
seven
years
at
freedom,
theatre,
another
space
that
did
incredible
work
like
that
they
had
both
organizations.
At
one
point:
I
had
social
workers
on
staff.
They
had
therapists
on
staff,
they
did
not
present
them
as
such
to
the
community,
but
to
the
children
because
of
stigma,
but
they
were
integrated
into
the
fabric
of
that
organization
and
were
able
to
do
some
tremendous
things.
I
think
there's
something
to
explore
there
in
terms
of
cultural
assets
that
are
relevant.
K
Maybe
not
just
social
workers,
but
other
people
too
I
think
if
you're
gonna
look
at
funding,
you
can
go
beyond
social
workers
like
a
lactation
specialist
for
the
oldest
child
coming
into
the
school,
where
you
know
have
three
younger,
siblings
or
any
type
of
Family
Therapist
or
an
art
therapist
or
any
play
therapist.
Somebody
that
can
and
creating
that
sanctuary
and
making
it
come
to
life
beyond
the
child.
In
supporting
the
oxygen
that
feeds
the
child,
which
is
often
those
caretakers
that
before.
H
I
just
had
two
comments
to
recognize
and
honor
way.
You're
saying
one
is
that
we
actually
looked
at
it
and
just
published
research
on
the
kids
in
our
program
and
violence
and
dimension
for
the
Machop
who
are
assault,
injured
and
89
percent
of
the
boys.
The
predominately
african-american
boys
said
that
they
would
like
mental
health
care.
Eighty
nine
percent-
that's
completely
opposite
of
what
we
expected
to
hear.
So
it
is
not
like
they
don't
want
it,
it's
just
that
it
may
not
be
accessible
or
they
may
not
be
getting
there.
H
We
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
say
when
we're
talking
about
throwing
social
workers
and
and
people
out
there
to
do
trauma-informed
care
is
those
people.
We
need
to
spend
some
money
in
on
things
that
when
they
come
back,
they
need
to
have
something
to
go
back
to
because
the
secondary
trauma
and
the
amount
of
effort
it
takes
to
be.
H
There
really
can
affect
a
provider
and
they're,
not
gonna
they're
gonna
burn
out,
so
the
bees
can
be
out
there,
but
they
need
a
hive
to
support
them,
and
you
know
this
Mary
Beth
from
hhp
and
Michael,
from
your
work
and
and
and
everywhere
that
we
work
there
needs
to
be
that
support
system
and
that's
oftentimes
left
out
of
the
helpers,
and
we
know
this
from
the
helpers
in
the
community.
There's
always
one
person
that
a
neighborhood
is
going
to
write.
A
H
A
H
That
one
family-
that's
people,
go
to
when
they
have
a
problem.
I,
remember
it
from
our
work
in
our
bond
set
and
that
person
who's
getting
burnt
out.
They
weren't
getting
any
support.
So
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
honor
that
aspect
of
it
before
we
lose
it
from
in
through
the
forest,
through
the
trees
and.
B
C
B
You
Jeremy
I
just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
my
colleague,
my
enforcement
colleague,
good
friend,
Rob
Rob,
who
know
many
years
on
the
pond.
Some
aspects
of
food
I've
gotten
out
of
out
of
what
he
said
as
well
as
what
others
said
is
that
I
think
there's
a
key
ingredient
overall,
but
I'm
here
today
is
is
an
issue
of
trust.
Is,
is
trust
and
data
sharing
information
sharing,
of
course,
police
officers?
B
The
majority
of
them
are
well
well-meaning,
and
you
know
you
do
that
they
have
a
mission
they
do
their
job,
but
again
until
that
community
can
can
gain
the
trust
of
deputy,
that
particular
officer
or
the
department.
There's
still
going
to
be
that
divide.
Okay,
that's
why
I've
advocated
more
of
a
community
liaison
type
of
person,
who's
non
enforcement,
but
can
communicate
with
the
community
each
community.
B
Some
words
around
here
things
like
silos,
neighborhoods
of
silos,
two
blocks
of
silos
I
mean
what's
happening
in
a
few
block
area,
people
kind
of
know,
and
unless
people
can
feel
they
can
go
to
somebody
that
you
know
can
can
take
the
issue
or
can
communicate
what
the
issues
are
going
on.
In
that
particular,
but
I
call
a
sector
or
a
few
block
area.
B
You
know
I
think
I
think
that
they
would
hopefully
they
can
gain
in
respect
to
that
person
and
trust,
and
maybe
maybe
address
some
of
these
problems
in
the
front
I'm
sure
every
council
person
would
like
to
have
a
vast
amount
of
community
layers
on
people
that
they
could
be
out
there
and
they,
you
know
every
every
there
neighborhood
on
a
on
time
basis.
But
again
you
know
some
I'm,
hoping
that
some
of
the
funding
can
be
directed
towards
that
effort.
So
that's
what
I
want
just
to
respond.
A
A
N
One
seven:
zero
six,
zero
nine
resolution,
I
want
to
say
deja
vu
because
it
seems
like
I've,
been
hearing
some
of
these
same
things.
Many
times
in
the
past,
I
go
back
unfortunately,
to
over
a
decade
ago
there
was
a
blueprint
for
safer
Philadelphia.
Supposedly
I
was
very
engaged
and
went
out
and
purchased
dr.
Deborah
Prout
gross.
This
book,
murder
is
no
accident.
N
Deadly
consequences
was
another
one
of
her
books
and
I
really
thought
that
we
as
a
community,
we're
going
to
really
wrap
our
arms
around
this
issue
that
so
definitely
so
deadly
effects.
The
african-american
community,
our
young
african-american
males,
but
here
we
are
over
a
decade
later,
with
some
of
the
same
issues
and
I'm
hearing
some
of
the
same
solutions.
N
N
The
courts,
the
DA's
office,
all
these
areas
where
money
is
spent,
so
here
we
are
millions
of
dollars
later.
Sadly,
thousands
of
dead
young
men
and
we're
still
talking
about
things
that
should
be
done.
That
could
be
done
that
we
wish
we
we
wish
we
could
do,
and
it's
really
sad
to
listen
to
solutions
that
we
know
can
help
us
and
they
not
be
implemented.
N
Everything.
But
prevention,
we
know,
is
the
key.
We
know
that
rites
of
passage
history,
cultural,
competency,
education,
all
of
that
jobs,
economics,
development,
all
that
the
environment
we're
in
yeah.
Mr.
Reid
I
was
one
of
those
people
from
Strawberry
Mansion
Strawberry
Mansion,
Civic
Association,
who
was
skeptical
I'm
skeptical.
N
N
Well,
you
know
when,
at
what
point
are
we
I'm
gonna
say
we
in
african-american
community
gonna
demand
not
that
we
get
a
contract,
but
that
we
deal
with
prevention,
because
sometimes
you
might
not
get
the
contract
because
you're
not
doing
that
work.
So
we
need
to
start
following
the
dollars
and
all
of
that
so
I'm
not
gonna,
reiterate
every
good
thing
that
I've
heard
today,
except
to
focus
in
because
I'm
in
the
22nd
district,
where
we
have
double
the
rate
of
murders
when
I
saw
that
and
I
said.
N
Well,
we
have
the
president
of
City
Council
I,
want
you
all
to
help
him
deal
with
that
issue,
because
it
doesn't
make
sense,
it
doesn't
match
up.
You
know,
power
and
demand,
and
all
that
so
I'm
not
going
to
dove
too
deep
into
all
of
that,
except
that
I
would
like
to
request
that
we
deal
with
this
as
a
as
a
health
issue:
mental
health,
Public,
Health,
very
much
health
issue
and
that
we
do
it
now
that
we
not
keep
going
at
this
again
with
different
professionals.
N
We
have
all
the
professionals,
we
know
the
studies
tracing
the
guns.
I
want
to
know
how,
in
the
hell,
does
a
child
get
a
gun.
Everybody
got
99
excuses
for
me.
I'm
a
committee
person
I,
went
into
the
ward
meeting.
I
asked
the
committee
people.
How
does
this
happen
you
all?
It
was
that
they
were
getting
a
couple
of
dollars.
They
everyone
here,
you
know
it's
like
99
excuses.
I,
don't
want
to
hear
any
excuses.
N
I
want
to
know
how
what,
when
just
like
the
prostitution
to
John's
names
are
published
in
the
newspaper
I
would
like
to
have
published
in
the
newspaper
weekly
monthly.
You
know
give
it
a
little
time
to
get
the
details,
we're
those
guns
coming
from
now
I'm
here
about
the
serial
number
being
scratched
off
I
understand
it
put
it
back
on
with
some
technology,
I
understand
that
some
girlfriends
and
mothers
and
sisters-
and
they
want
to
try
to
say
some
black
women
are
giving
up
guns
to
criminals
and
they're
shooting
up
our
neighborhood.
N
The
way
crime
is
happening
in
our
neighborhood.
You
don't
know
who
the
heck
is
doing
it
because
no
suspect,
no
arrests,
so
I
want
to
know
whoever
it
is
whatever
it
is.
Whatever's
happening,
let's
publish
that
information.
Can
we
get
tracing
of
guns?
It's
illegal
already,
I,
don't
want
to
hear
about
any
other
law
that
needs
to
be
passed
because
18
years
old
should
not
have
a
gun
in
Philadelphia
Pennsylvania,
that's
already
on
the
books.
So
so
why
aren't
we
finding
that
out
that
making
ended
like
an
emergency?
N
In
my
neighborhood,
the
22nd
district
use
us
as
law
test
case.
Tell
us
with
whom
guns
coming
from
the
getting
in
the
hands
of
Lord
Raheem,
12
years
old,
13
years
old,
shoot
out,
shooting
out
all
over
the
place.
Then
the
last
thing
I
want
some
help
with
is
I
heard
about
this.
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
like
how
do
you
connect
gun,
violence
and
then
bioethics?
What
was
going
on
there?
What's
that,
all
about
then
I
heard
about
a
trauma
study
in
these
trauma
hospitals.
N
N
In
a
way,
ASAP
that
will
reduce
the
amount
of
murders
in
my
neighborhood
like
it's
an
emergency
like
us,
an
emergency
22nd
district,
everybody
knows
it.
Westar
brought
the
worst
of
everything
as
it
relates
to
all
of
these
things
we
talked
about
today.
Yes,
how
what's
the
approach?
What's
the
next
move
for
this
committee?
What's
the
next
move
for
you
elected
officials?
What's
the
next
move
and
I'm
gonna
close
right
there?
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
very
much
Robin
any
questions
from
members
of
the
panel
Miss
Robinson,
no,
but
just
in
general,
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
half
of
this
is
information
gathering,
but
the
other
component
that
we
always
were
working
on,
probably
behind
the
scenes.
A
lot
of
people
do
not
see
at
least
I
know
I'm
a
my
district.
We
consistently
work
with
a
homicide
detectives.
A
We
consistently
work
with
the
inspector,
but
we
also
work
with
other
individuals
who
are
on
the
ground
trying
to
work
with
some
of
the
young
men
who
are
carrying
the
guns
but
separate
from
information.
Goering
try
to
figure
out
how
we
address
this
from
a
crisis
standpoint
like
immediately
now.
Are
we
going
to
continue
to
work
on
it?
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
for
the
record.
A
H
N
A
And
I
will
also
ask
the
continue
to
put
the
pressure
on,
because
this
is
collaboration,
effort
with
those
who
work
with
us
on
a
state
level
because
oftentimes
and
we
want
to
try
to
change
policy,
at
least
the
guns
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
We
are
somewhat
limited
with
our
hands
tied
behind
our
back,
because
mostly
people
on
legislators
on
the
state
level
are
the
ones
who
can
actually
dictate
policy
that
can
has
an
impact
one.
If
you
can
I
can't
carry
a
gun,
but
the
reality
is.
A
There
are
some
things
we
looking
at
on
a
local
level
like,
for
instance,
my
co-chair
O'conner
Darryl
kind
of
talked
about
like
in
a
city
full
of
we
should
have
a
gun
offender
database
that
pops
up
you've
been
arrested
for
a
gun
that
work
with
the
flow
of
Police
Department.
So
they
can
kind
of
know
who
are
the
key
shooters
in
the
neighborhood
and
as
a
way
to
track
those
who
are
carrying
guns.
And
so
we
want
to
look
at
doing
some
things
differently.
A
I
remember
the
blueprint
for
saving
Philadelphia,
yet
it
was
under
the
leadership
with
the
white
Evans
at
that
particular
time,
I'm
serious
about
the
work
that
I'm
doing
now
with
this
committee,
because
there's
a
variety
of
other
things
that
we
could
be
doing
right
now
and
so
we're
gonna
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do.
Snot
try
to
figure
out.
We
want
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
some
things
differently.
I
mean
that's
my
commitment
to
this
process.
So
thank
you.
No
thank
you.
Can
you
please
click.
Please.
O
To
Ray,
maj
tou
or
how
you
dorm
I
am
good
how
we
all
I'm,
just
real,
quick
I,
found
out
about
the
one.
Thank
you
all
for
doing
this
a
lot
of
times,
one
I'm,
first
and
foremost,
I,
have
an
organization
called
black
guns
matter.
We
are
a
firearms
safety
organization,
our
primary
objective,
on
a
50-state
tour,
completely
funded
by
people
from
urban
areas
across
the
nation.
What
we
do
is
we
go
into
areas
that
are
high
crime,
high
violence,
high
murder,
the
scary
places
like
North
Philly.
We
don't
want,
maybe
not
so
much
now.
O
A
O
On
Chicago
Atlanta
and
New
Orleans
places
like
that
to
have
extremely
high
per
capita.
You
know
homicides,
you
know.
In
cities,
we've
seen
a
tremendous
impact
by
dealing
with
prevention,
conflict
resolution
and
de-escalation
tactics.
I
mean
that's
not
as
cool
of
a
soundbite
as
the
shooting
and
the
teddy
bear
vigil,
and
all
of
that
to
a
lot
of
people,
but
it's
a
lot
more
preventative
maintenance.
We
have
been
operating
and
working
with
anyone
we
worked
with.
You
know:
I
had
meetings
with
Shara
Goodman
from
ceasefire.
O
We
work
at
the
gun
ranges
we
link
up
with
guys
and
and
women
and
letting
them
know.
This
is
the
lawful
process.
This
is
the
unlawful
process.
This
will
send
you
to
prison.
This
will
get
you
killed.
Probably,
and
this
will
not.
We
have
we
work
a
very
thin
line
and
a
balance
between
again
conflict
resolution
and
informing
people
before
they
make
the
mistake.
What
that
mistake
could
actually
cost
them
so
really
I'm
just
here
to
make
myself
available
to
anybody,
and
that
would
like
to
do
some
of
that
work.
O
O
Thank
you.
So
it's
like
to
me
that
approach
of-
oh
they
don't
listen
to
us,
we
don't
listen
to
them,
has
not
been
working
adding
more
of
those
laws.
If
that
was
the
case,
if
they
work,
Chicago
would
be
the
safest
place
on
earth.
It's
not
so
what
we
found
success
with
you
know
any
questions.
You'll
have
a
real
quickly
answering
we've.
Had
we
found
success
with
especially
younger
guys
getting
them
to
understand
exactly
what
this
firearm
does.
It
is
not
Call
of
Duty.
O
This
is
not
a
video
game,
and
this
is
what
happens
when
you
treat
it
as
such.
The
prison
ramifications,
your
family
ramifications
and
things
of
that.
Those
have
been
excellent
tools.
We
actually
work
for
a
weekend.
Yes,
Philly
taught
firearms
safety
prevention
to
children
and,
yes,
Philly
schools.
We
did
this
this.
What
June?
For
a
week
all
of
those
students
have
graduated.
You
know
so
I'm
saying
these
things
to
say
what
we're
doing
is
working.
We
got
to
go
fund
me.
O
A
Quick
question
now
remember
meeting
you
outside
when
we
did
the
prayer
for
a
city
yeah
some
time
ago.
So
it
is
I
want
to
understand.
Talk
about
the
de-escalation
right,
cuz
I,
respect
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
terms
of
showing
people
to
legally
Cara
fire
on
how
to
operate
a
firearm
and
to
me
that's
kind
of
similar
to
how
I
went
to
Mansfield
University
and
some
of
my
roommates,
some
of
my
classmates.
They
were
experts
in
you
know
like
and
mansfield
upstate
Pennsylvania.
You
can
bring
you
a
gun
right.
H
A
Campus,
you
can
lock
up
your
gun
inside
the
security
inside
campus,
secure
right
right,
because,
if
guns
are
lit,
we
have
our
way
of
life
right
in
western
Pennsylvania
right,
so
I
get
that
part
and
I'm
saying
this
and
I'm
just
keep
it
real.
What
I
want
you
to
help
me
understand?
How
do
you
I
know?
You
talked
about
teaching
these
young
people?
It's
not
called
a
duty.
Doesn't
get
you
locked
up?
A
How
do
you
approach
the
young
person
that
the
lure
of
that
gun
in
the
street
life,
like
they
just
heard
in
a
rap
song,
that
you
got
a
twenty
nine
and
you
got
a
clip
with
30
rounds
in
it?
You
just
shot
up
the
whole
neighborhood
and
they
liked
that
they
heard
it
in
the
song
and
they
can't
separate
it.
A
O
O
Kind
of,
like
the
word
that
one
of
the
speakers
before
present
it
with
tertiary
working
in
you
know
and
in
triples
one
the
prevention.
Okay,
if
this
person
has
passed
the
prevention,
if
we
get
into
the
guys
that
are
caught
up
in
the
allure
one,
we
do
a
good
job
of
informing
them.
It's
like
your
children,
my
daughter,
I,
don't,
but
if
I
leave
a
firearm
around,
my
daughter
knows
specifically
that
what
do
you?
What
are
you
doing?
What
that's
not
right?
The
information
is
very
similar
but
application.
The
information
is
very
similar.
O
You
destroy
the
allure
by
informing
the
person
by
what
we're
doing
is
we're
making
the
actual
tool
taboo,
totally
removing
information
process
from
there.
So,
for
example,
if
someone
says
like
you
said,
okay,
every
rap
artist
says
that
is
technically
incorrect
and
you
look
stupid
going
into
a
gun
store
using
the
word
clip.
That
is
not
what
a
clip
is.
It's
a
magazine
then
informing
that
person
and
they
see
how
many
things
that
they
don't
know
when
they
say.
Oh,
this
is
my
9.
Ok!
Well,
that's
the
caliber
of
a
firearm.
What
brand?
O
What
make
or
model
is
this
and
they
see
how
much
they
don't
know,
they're
a
lot
more
and
our
experience
we've
been
doing
it
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
now
and
our
experience
by
informing
a
person
removing
the
taboo
and
the
third
part,
taking
them
on
the
range
to
see
what
this
actual
firearm
does
television
says,
a
silencer
is
going
to
make
it
sound
like
birds
chirping,
it
does
not.
It
just
suppresses
some
of
the
sound
when
you
hear
that
9
or
that
40
caliber
with
ear
protection
on,
and
it's
still
loud.
O
A
One
last
part
where
I
feel
you
coming
from
now,
so
there
was
a
story
in
the
Philadelphia
Daily
News
on
over
everyone
had
a
chance
to
read
it
and
Rob
Reid.
He
just
left
was
robbed
that
interaction
with
a
young
man
that
the
ATF
actually
had
working
for
them
mm-hmm.
They
helped
get
guns
off
the
street
right.
H
A
I
think
miss
Bellamy
will
be
upright
note.
A
young
man
cause.
He
was
cease
fire
by
day,
okay
by
night
living
the
street
life
Frank
right,
but
it
talked
about
his
childhood
right.
How
does
a
guy
grew
up?
Dad
was
in
the
gang.
He
grew
up
in
a
gang,
but
it
talked
about
when
he
was
a
kid.
His
dad
had
a
gun
underneath
the
mattress
yeah.
He
would
go
in
the
room
and
touch
the
gun,
mm-hmm
and
their
Lord
a
gun
kind
of
yeah.
D
A
O
That
person
had
an
improper
knowledge
of
firearm
safety.
His
father
had
an
improper
knowledge
of
firearm
safety.
What
we
do
in
our
class
is
one
we've
worked
with
cease
fire.
We
work
with
other
safety,
firearm
locks,
and
that's
just
the
basics,
then
like
teaching
people
how
to
biometrics
ace.
Putting
a
firearm
under
your
mattress
is
the
silliest
thing
you
could
ever
do
in
your
life,
but
that's
misinformation
and
showing
somebody.
O
That's
that's
the
reason
why
most
of
most
of
our
children
that
are
shot
are
because
they're
shooting
themselves
in
the
face,
because
they're
grabbing
this
firearm,
because
the
parent
did
not
know
how
to
you
know,
secure
that
firearm
properly
they're
using
their
thumbs
and
shooting
themselves.
That's
misinformation,
that
is
clear-cut
misinformation.
O
It
takes
five
pounds
of
pressure
for
the
average
trigger
to
even
be
pulled
so
by
giving
people
more
information
and
teaching
those
parents,
some
of
the
guys
that
come
to
our
classes,
I
know
you
in
the
street
I
know
you're
going
to
Street
you're,
not
gonna
touch
the
firearm
portion
of
our
class.
However,
you
are
gonna,
bring
your
lady
you're
gonna,
bring
your
son
you're
gonna,
inform
them.
How
to
safely-
and
you
we're
gonna-
show
you
how
to
you're
gonna
do
it
but
which
you
are
also
gonna.
O
Do
is
you're
gonna
safely
secure
that
firearm
that
information,
when
you
take
it
away,
take
the
taboo
attea
lure
away.
It's
just
cell
phone
now
up,
don't
touch
that
cell
phone,
you
know
so,
but
by
hiding
it
we
have
sex
education
classes.
Oh,
we
did
I,
don't
know
still
now,
but
we
have
these
classes.
They
are
there's
insurance
and
information
for
your
cell
phone,
but
the
way
that
we're
handling
firearms
in
this
way
it's
it
has
not
been
working
because
we're
hiding
it-
and
you
know
in
our.
A
P
A
South
Philly,
where
I
grew
up
that,
especially
with
this
war,
that's
going
on
right
now,
yes,
guys
doing
videos
right
with
like
all
kinds
of
guns.
It's
caught
the
car
dis
videos
right.
You
know
I'm
at
issue
and
I'm
gonna
put
it
in
a
it's
kind,
like
the
dumbest
thing
that
you
can
do
because
you're
showing
a
law
enforcement
right.
O
Of
those
guys
have
never
shot
a
firearm
in
a
life.
Okay,
most
of
the
guys
were
ill-informed,
and
those
are
the
guys
that
that's
what
I
outreach
comes
in
at
before
outside
of
the
range
you're,
not
touching
a
firearm,
you
know
so
I
just
again,
I
make
myself
available
organization
available
to
everybody.
Thank
y'all
for
even
listen,
of
course,.
A
O
Q
How
you
doing
my
name
is
Carl
day
I'm,
a
pastor
community
leader
with
church
culture,
changing
Christians,
nondenominational,
church
I
do
work
here
in
Philadelphia
we
got
a
campus
in
Philly,
also
in
a
North
Jersey
Essex
County
I'm
also
do
work
in
New
York,
so
I'm
kind
of
all
over
the
place,
but
I
reside
and
rest.
My
head
in
Philly
grew
up
in
North
Philly
very
quickly.
At
one
point,
in
my
life,
I
fell
victim
city
streets
myself,
you
know
about
2009.
Q
Finally,
things
caught
up
to
me
found
myself
into
jail
both
for
violent
crimes,
so
I've
I
know
all
about
gun
culture.
You
know
carry
guns,
you
know
been
arrested
for
guns,
I
mean
I
have
devoted
my
life.
Thank
god.
I've
had
great
people
in
my
life
that
helped
steer
me
through
faith
and
everything
else
to
do
the
work
that
I
do
and
one
of
the
things
in
which
I've
been
hearing
about
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
about.
One
of
our
organization
is
all
about.
Q
Changing
the
culture
and
I
hear
people
talk
about
street
culture
and
I
think
you
know.
Wow
there's
definitely
is
a
medical.
You
know
medical
related
issues,
you
know
trauma
and
everything
else
is
real,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
to
also
change
what
really
influences
culture
and
I
don't
hear
enough
of
being.
Q
We
know
so
I
don't
hear
enough
of
things
being
talked
about
as
far
as
what's
influencing
our
people
because,
like
you
said,
sir
people
we
can
offer
jobs,
but
the
allure
in
the
aura
that
comes
with
operating
and
dealing
with
the
street
culture
and
street
life.
Folks,
don't
care
about
jobs.
You
know,
I
sit
on
street
corners,
I've
ran
initiatives,
men
on
the
move,
we've
been
in
every
city.
Every
hood
of
the
city,
from
OC's
from
August
to
October
literally
walked
street
corners.
Q
I
have
mobilized
men
and
we
talked
to
them
in
and
literally
it's
not
about
a
job.
There's
ten
guys
on
the
block.
They
all
sell
the
same
product.
The
market
is
oversaturated,
there's
no
money
being
made.
The
prices
of
drugs
they're
crying
about
what
they
paying
for
drugs,
so
the
profits
not
even
great
anymore.
So
it's
not
about
money
for
them.
It's
more
sort
of
lust
any
allure
of
what
goes
on
in
the
community
and
those
are
the
people
who
are
relevant
in
the
community.
Q
So
we
have
to
also
deal
with
you
know
the
idols
of
our
culture
and
I.
Think
also.
You
know
we
have
to
hold
a
city
accountable
to
a
degree,
because
we
talked
about
having
credible
messengers.
We
have
to
make
sure
these
same
brothers
that
we
consider
to
be
credible
or
really
being
credible
into
communities.
Q
You
know
I'm,
saying
I'm
not
here
to
name-drop
or
anything,
but
I
know
what
goes
on
so
everybody
that
comes
home
and
says
they
got
good
intentions,
aren't
necessarily
walking
the
straight
and
narrow
either
so
it
sends
mixed
signals
to
the
city.
So
those
people
in
those
communities
may
know
that
guy
know
him
for
a
particular
thing,
but
at
the
same
time
still
knows
he
may
be
the
guy.
That
also
may
be
still
making
connections
behind
the
scenes
for
them.
So
it's
also
and
also
the
city.
We
have
to
be
consistent.
Q
Cuz,
just
like
you
said
about
the
rap
songs.
You
know
I've
been
recently
at
a
vigil
where
god
I
was
well
known
in
the
city,
got
killed,
spoke
there
and
literally
they're
still
celebrating
listening
to
the
same
music.
That's
talking
about
running
down
and
shooting
people
and
we're
literally
here
to
mourn
and
celebrate.
You
know
a
man's
life.
So
as
a
city,
we
have
to
be
consistent.
You
know
because
we'll
see
also
city
officials
and
whatnot
supporting
these
same
hip-hop
artists
that
influence
our
youth
with
the
same
music.
Q
So
you
know
they
can't
sit
here
and
want
to
say
we'll
give
back
or
we're
gonna.
Do
this
and
wouldn't
come
speak
to
you
at
your
school
and
say:
hey
go
to
school
stay
in
school,
but
your
platform
of
influences
through
your
art.
So
if
you're
in
your
art,
if
you're
in
your
music
and
you're,
instructing
our
youth
to
continue
to
carry
those
pistols
to
be
about
the
murder
game,
you
it
doesn't
matter
what
you're
saying
in
the
interview
later,
because
that's
not
really
impacting
them.
Q
Q
Think
that
imagery
is
everything,
because
these
these
youths
are
are
really
impression
by
what
they
see
and
it's
very
important
that
we
have
to
be
consistent
about
dividuals
that
we're
setting
before
them,
how
we're
changing
the
imagery
of
what
it
looks
like
to
be
a
black
young
male
millennial,
male
in
in
the
urban
inner-city
minority
settings,
and
just
like
brother
chandelle,
said
as
well,
and
that
goes
into
supporting
a
lot
of
the
people.
That's
on
the
ground
as
well.
Q
There
aren't
well-known
there
may
be
not
be
you
know
not
out
there
to
the
masses,
but
really
doing
great
work
because
oftentimes
we
see
those
people
burnout
because
of
the
lack
of
support.
They
don't
have
the
big
name:
they're,
not
tied
to
this
big
names
too
sure
they're
not
networked
with
everybody
else,
so
we
have
to
definitely
support
them,
but
I
definitely
understand
trauma
mental
health
and
everything
else,
and
that
is
essential
for
what's
going
on.
But
at
the
same
time,
how
do
you
connect
that
to
them
to
make
it
appear?
Cool?
Q
Because
it's
it's
tough?
It's
tough,
Harriet
Tubman
said
it.
She
could
have
freed
more
slaves
if
other
people
would
realize
they
were
slaves.
So
we're
talking
about
people
going
through
trauma,
you
have
to
convince
them
that
they're
in
a
position
or
in
a
state
of
trauma
most
times
people
tell
you
I'm
fine.
This
is
everyday
life.
Somebody
got
killed.
So
what
that's?
What
happens?
Then
I
said?
Oh,
my
god.
They
saying
let
me
make
sure
that's
not
a
friend
of
mine,
okay,
that
was
nobody
and
they
just
keep
it
moving.
So
these
are
just
experiences.
Q
A
P
A
P
Just
want
to
say,
I
came
today
just
to
hear
because
I
just
wanted
some
feedback
to
take
back
to
my
community
yeah,
and
it
was
very
informative
of
a
lot
of
things.
I
heard
here
today.
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things
as
far
as
you
know,
I
think
what
we
need
to
start
doing
is
that
getting
a
touch
with
the
families
you
know
after
the
crime
after
the
gun,
violence
that
we
need.
You
know
to
have
that
connection
with
the
family,
that
don't
just
be
there.
P
You
know
for
the
funeral
for
the
services,
then
we
then
we
out
day
life
because
they
still
have
pain
that
they
carry
on.
You
know
once
they
loved
one
is
gone.
So
I
think
that's
a
big
thing
that
we
that
we
need
to
know
we
need
some
type
of
you
know.
I
know
she'd
do
a
great
excellent
job,
but
she
don't
she
seems
excellent.
What
she
does
trust
me
without
if
it
was
a
thousand
more
people
like
her
I,
will
feel
better.
P
P
You
understand
what
I
mean,
so
we
just
can't
leave
them
out
there
and
saying
you
know
well,
the
investigation
is
still
going
on
and
we
got
to
keep
these
families
and
let
them
know
that
we
got
people
that
still
care
about
him,
still
love
them,
and
you
know
we
still
doing
things
to
make
sure.
If
defenders
not
court,
he
will
get
court
because
me
personally,
I
come
from
the
streets,
I
notice
about
you
know.
You
see
me
out
there.
Yeah
yeah
I've
been
a
victim
of
gun.
Violence.
P
A
So
y'all
have
a
good
thank
you
for
that
and
say
thank
everyone
for
being
here
today.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
Marla
Davis,
Bellamy
I
said
that
correctly
Operation
Ceasefire,
22nd,
Police
District
and
there
you've
been
on
and
on
this
case,
working
for
a
long
time
and
there's
Carolina
and
Clinton
on
the
focuser
term
program.
These
are
two
programs
that
were
mentioned
earlier
today,
and
we
will
continue
to
be
supportive
of
your
efforts
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we
address
this
issue
of
you've
come
bond.
So
thank
you
for
being
on
the
case.