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From YouTube: Regen Network Ecological Blockchain
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Episode 23: An interview with the COO and CTO of Regen Network https://www.regen.network
A
B
B
Education
center
in
northern
Thailand
and
I
lived
there
for
six
years,
working
with
various
people
who
are
interested
in
redesigning
their
own
lives,
building
their
own
homes
and
working
on
ecological
agriculture
stuff
from
there
I
ended
up
forming
a
company
called
terrigenesis
international
with
a
few
other
ecological
agriculture
folks,
and
we
started
out
doing
ecological
design
and
have
since
shifted
more
towards
working
with
natural
products
companies
on
their
supply.
A
lot
of
these
companies
are
companies
that
already
have
100%
organic
supply,
work
and
fair
trade,
but
they
want
to
be
doing
better
than
that.
B
C
Cool
thanks
Christian,
so
my
background
is
in
software
engineering.
I
been
writing.
Software
for
I
mean
quite
a
long
time.
I
guess
since
I
was
a
was
a
kid
and
most
recently
I've
been
working
with
functional
programming,
so
I
write
a
scale.
I've
been
working
with
closure
for
a
number
of
years,
and
before
that
I
worked
with
more
object-oriented
languages.
C
C++
C,
sharp
I
did
a
bit
of
embedded
in
p/j
works
mixed
in
there,
so
have
kind
of
a
pretty
broad
rock
background
in
software,
and
you
know
with
region
I'm
looking
at
both
the
big
picture
and
also
I'm.
You
know
writing
some
of
the
code
for
the
blockchain
implementation.
It
so
I've
also
been
interested
in
from
a
culture
and.
C
Ecology,
regenerative
agriculture
for
quite
a
long
time
and
I
actually
first
met
the
the
CEO
of
a
region
that
were
very
green
mind
awake
who's,
not
here,
maybe
about
10
years
ago.
We
kind
of
keep
that
on
the
whole
idea
of
doing
something
that
integrated
permaculture
and
technology,
and
now
it's
finally
happening
the
region
network
awesome.
B
Absolutely
yeah
I'd
love
to
do
that,
so
yeah
I
think
we
need
to
zoom
out
a
little
bit
before
we
talk
about
region,
nipper
particular
and
talk
about
the
kind
of
a
global
context
that
this
project
fits
so
well
into
I've
been
describing
a
little
bit
like
a
Rubik's
Cube
like
there.
We
have
these
immense
challenges
right
now
on
this
planet,
the
including
climate
change
and
poverty,
stuff
and
relocation,
refugees
and
the
desert
vacation.
You
know
in
Africa
and
the
Middle
East,
and
even
here
in
the
United
States
happening
more
and
more.
B
B
You
know:
planetary,
biological,
ecological
challenges,
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
most
people
don't
realize
in
the
conversation
around
climate
change
is
that
is
that
our
biological
systems,
our
agricultural
systems,
are
absolutely
one
of
our
greatest
hopes.
In
terms
of
solving
this,
this
huge
challenge,
it's
out
in
front
of
us.
You
know
oftentimes,
the
the
story
is
kind
of
framed
in
the
way
that
you
know
the
big
corporations
need
to
get
more
efficient
with
their
factories
and
our
cars.
B
They
need
to
get
more
miles
per
gallon
and
need
to
shift
to
electric
and
all
of
our
lightbulbs
need
to
be
more
efficient.
But
what
what
that
is
actually
talking
about
is
reduction
in
emissions
from
their
current
levels,
which
is
really
important.
We
need
to
do
better
on
that,
but,
right
now
the
the
concentration
of
carbon
dioxide
in
the
atmosphere
sits
at
just
above
408
parts
per
million.
The
United
Nations
had
already
established
that
350
parts
per
million
was
kind
of
the
the
threshold
at
which
we
need
to
stay
there
or
below.
B
So
at
this
point,
it's
not
that
we
need
to
be
putting
less
carbon
dioxide
into
the
atmosphere.
It's
that
we
need
to
be
pulling
carbon
dioxide
out
of
the
atmosphere
and
getting
it
back
somehow
back
into
the
ground
or
into
living
systems,
so
that
story
of
climate
change
is
one
of
the
big
issues
that
Terrigen
are
that
region
network
is,
is
focused
on,
but
really
planetary
regeneration
in
general.
B
A
B
So
even
a
small
farmer
in
southern
Mexico,
who
has
an
acre
and
a
half
and
he's
growing
corn,
may
see
that,
through
through
a
network
of
farmers
and
the
cooperative
that
he's
connected
to
might
find
out
that
there
are
contracts
written
to
upgrade
the
way
that
they're
farming
and
that
he
is
invited
into
a
process
to
to
shift
his
practices.
Regen
network
is
then
verifying
the
outcomes
that
he's
achieving
and
he'll
receive
those
rewards.
Those
awards
might
have
been
from
the
Mexican
government
to
help
achieve
their
climate
Accord
commitments.
B
They
might
have
been
from
a
corporation
who's
buying
this
some
of
their
some
of
their
corn
from
their
this
farmer,
or
it
might
have
been
from
just
URI.
Who
said
you
know
what
I
would
love
to
put
a
small
bounty
up
onto
this
system.
Saying
anyone
that's
located
in
the
country
of
Mexico,
who
is
interested
in
shifting
from
chemical
agriculture
to
non
chemical
agriculture
you'll
receive
this
amount
of
reward
per
acre.
A
Interesting
and
what
so
you
know,
another
component,
this
is,
is
actually
oxygen
generation
as
well.
You
know
so.
I
was
just
reading
an
article
the
other
day
about
how
the
the
ocean
itself
is
actually
losing
a
lot
of
it.
It's
a
lot
of
its
oxygen
and
that's
starting
to
have
an
impact
on
the
the
life
and
the
oceans
and
then
because
we
have
so
much
carbon
dioxide
in
our
atmosphere
or
on
our
oxygen
levels
are
actually
decreasing
as
well.
A
So
the
thing
that
all
life
on
this
planet
actually
depends
on,
which
is
oxygen,
you
know,
is
going
away
because
we're
cutting
down
our
forests
were,
you
know,
we're
eliminating
the
things
that
actually
produce
oxygen,
so
it
sounds
like
your
solution
would
actually
generate
more
oxygen
and
actually
start
to
recycle.
Some
of
this
you
know
carbon
dioxide
and
some
of
this
bad
air
yeah.
B
Totally
yeah
totally,
what's
really
amazing
about
this
planet-
is
that
that
we're
working
with
natural
systems
that
just
naturally
want
to
regenerate
themselves.
So
you
know
you
can
imagine
you
know
a
farmer
who's
out
there
plowing
every
year,
he's
plowed
for
50
years
in
a
row
and
just
destroyed
the
soil
as
soon
as
that
farmer
steps
away
from
that
from
that
landscape
and
leaves
it
alone
regeneration
starts
to
happen.
You
know
this.
Those
weeds
pop
up
and
those
little
shrubs
pop
up
and
nitrogen
comes
back
in
the
soil.
B
The
planet
can
do
it,
do
it
do
it
on
its
own,
and
eventually
the
planet
would
heal
itself
and
get
the
oxygen
back
to
the
level
that
that
we
would
prefer
and
get
everything
balanced
out
and
life
would
continue.
There's
a
unique
place
for
humans
to
help
out
in
this
system.
You
know,
as
or
more
we
can
be
as
productive
and
helpful
for
the
the
ecological
systems
on
this
planet
as
we
have
been
destructive.
In
fact,
I
would
think
that
we
could
actually
be
more
because
the
planet
will
work
with
us
in
those
ways.
C
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
have
protocol
specifically
about
oxygen.
I
mean
that
the
sort
of
underlying
idea
is
that
we're
creating
a
framework
by
which
it
will
be
easier
to
aggregate
the
data
from
satellites
from
sensors
on
the
ground
and
and
look
at
any
sort
outcome
that
we
want
to
look
at.
So
you
know
somebody
could
theoretically
look
at
oxygen
and
create
a
contract
around
that
and
that's
sort
of
the
platform
that
we're
hoping
to
create
with
in
this
project.
Yes,.
A
That's
right:
let's
get
a
little
deeper
into
what
the
technology,
what
the
solutions
are
for
this.
So
you've
mentioned
satellites
we
mentioned
blockchain
so
Aaron.
Can
you
kind
of
go
a
little
bit
deeper
into
you
know
what
all
the
tech
is
that
you're
evaluating
right
now
and
what
the
solution
kind
of
looks
like
on
a
technical
level.
C
Yeah
I
can
give
a
try
and
it's
I
mean
there's
there's
quite
a
lot
and
it's
you
know
it's
a
pretty
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
it's
a
pretty
ambitious
project
to
sort
of
bring
all
these
pieces
together,
but
on
the
on
the
verification.
Side
of
things,
first
and
foremost,
were
looking
at
satellite
imagery,
because
that
imagery
is
publicly
available,
and
you
know
we
can
tell,
with
the
reasonable
degree
certainty
that
it's
it
was.
C
You
know
collected
with
the
you
know,
without
any
sort
of
ulterior
motives
to
sort
of
game
the
system
or
trick
the
satellites.
You
know
we
we
can
more
or
less
trust
that
we
can
correlate
it
with
weather
data,
see
when
there
was
cloud
cover.
So
you
know
publicly
available.
Satellite
data
and
weather
data
is
sort
of
the
first
starting
point.
C
The
next
starting
point,
I'm
seen
as
maybe
drone
imagery
lidar,
that
maybe
you
could
have
a
community
that
invests
and
having
sort
of
a
drone
that
shared
that
kind
of
does
mapping
of
the
landscape
and
and
and
provides
insight
into
what's
happening
on
the
ground.
And
then
the
next
level
would
be
I,
two
sensors
that
are
installed
on-site
to
measure
soil,
moisture
temperature
humidity.
C
You
know
lots
of
other
things
and
then
different
types
of
you
know:
soil
tests
different
there,
people
talking
about
like
soil,
specifically
designed
soil
cameras
that
are
low-cost,
that
can
kind
of
look
at
what's
happening
in
the
soil.
So
there's
a
whole
range
of
technologies
that
we're
looking
at
on
the
sort
of
monitoring
side
of
things
and
then.
B
You
know
for
most
people
that
wouldn't
be
enough
data
to
really
verify
that
that
happen,
but
in
a
case
where
you
have
that
much
trust
with
with
this
person,
you
could
write
a
protocol
like
that.
Now
you
know
as
we're
considering
having
governments
and
corporations
and
others
being
some
of
the
primary
user
groups
of
our
of
our
platform.
C
That
is
either
on
chain
or
close
to
chain
is
one
thing
we've
been
saying,
so
we're
using
trick
you're
familiar
with
tender
min,
but
it's
a
consensus
engine
that
is
built
by
the
cosmos
team.
So
the
cosmos
team
vision
is
to
have
you
know
multiple.
You
know
block
chains
which
they
call
zones
that
interact
with
each
other
and
where
they
can
pass
points
between
the
block
chains.
And
you
know
the
block
chains
themselves
can
be
more
specifically
focused
on
specific
domains.
C
A
C
Know-
and
we
went
through
many
different
iterations
to
figure
out
exactly
what
we
were
going
to
use
and
at
one
point
where
you're
thinking
we
would
do
proof
of
stake.
But
if
you
go
down
the
route
of
Crudup
stake,
then
you
end
up
for
this
situation,
where
the
people
who
hold
the
tokens
are
basically
the
ones
who
govern
the
network
and
there's.
A
C
You
know
regenerative
agriculture
like
on
the
science
side
of
it
they're
they're,
not
necessarily
you
know,
we
don't
initially
know
who
the
token
holders
are
going
to
be
in
this
sort
of
system,
and
so
then
next
we
try
to
look
at
various
reputation
systems.
Well,
can
we
can
we
sort
of
measure
the
positive
impact
that
an
actor
is
having
a
nemesis
in
the
system
by
like
a
farmer,
for
instance,
by
doing
regenerative
agriculture,
or
you
know,
people
that
are
contributing
that
are
funding
projects
and
that's
that's
an
avenue
that
I
think
we
were
we
were.
C
B
C
When
you
have
a
reputation
system
that
you
like,
if
we
create
a
reputation
system
that
we
haven't
actually
tested
in
the
field,
then
there's
a
whole
set
of
variables
that
we
don't
necessarily
that
might
be
exists
that
we
don't
know
about.
There's
things
we
can't
predict
and
we
can
try
our
best
to
predict
them.
But
there
is
this
factor
that
they're
you
know
we.
C
But
the
governance
model
that
we're
starting
with
is
a
consortium
based
governance
model.
Where
basically
word
word
as
we're
going
and
we're
developing
this
project
word
going
to
conferences
and
work,
meeting,
tons
and
tons
organization
was
working
in
new
spaces
and
we
want
to
get
them
engaged
in
our
project.
Well,
for
us,
it
seems
like
one
of
the
best
ways
to
do
that
is
to
invite
them
to
be
a
member
of
the
consortium
and
basically
to
be
a
member
of
the
consortium.
C
You
have
organization
and
you
have
to
actually
really
the
principles
that
were
going
for
and
then
we'll
get
one
seat.
One
vote
on
a
validator
merit,
so
in
in
the
tender
mint
model,
there's
a
fixed
set
of
validator,
you
switch
validator
and
there's
the
public
key
of
other
validators
that
are
there
and
there's
a
two-thirds
consensus
of
all
the
validator
power.
So
you
move
forward
with
consensus,
so
it
could
be
used
for
a
staking
model
and
cosmos
is
using
it
with
a
staking
model.
C
We,
you
know
we
could
have
chosen
to
go
with
a
staking
model
week,
and
you
know
we
could
have
chosen
to
go
with
the
reputation
model
and
that's
something
we
could
ship
sooo
hard
fork
to
later.
But
for
now
the
simplest
models
seem
to
base.
Well,
you
have
one,
you
know
one
organization,
one
vote
and
the
logic
there
is
that
there's
we
want
to
encourage
productive
discourse
in
the
in
the
community
and
we
want
people
to
exert
influence
by
having
strong
arguments
as
opposed
to
having
more
points.
C
So
that's
sort
of
the
logic
that
we
went
on.
You
know
people
are
going
to
have
there's
going
to
be
differences
in
reputation,
that's
social
and
we
want
people
to
really
engage
in
the
social
process
and
discussion
and
distrust.
Now
in
this
space,
I
I
could
understand
where
some
people
disable
that
you
know
that
models
may
be.
You
know
it's
not
using
as
much
of
this
sort
of
game
theory
as
other
models.
It's
it's
sort
of
a
design,
choice
that
we
looked
at.
B
Yeah
and
what
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
add
in
here
to
this
is
that
one
of
the
benefits
of
this
models
that
it
gets
like
trusted
actors
in
the
space
to
lean
in
and
get
excited
about
the
project.
So
so
Erin
was
just
talking
about
the
technical
requirements
and
how
that
like
functionally
works,
and
now
coming
from
a
social
like
networking
perspective.
It's
also
very
exciting
that
we
have
this
consortium
model.
We're
not
really
ready
yet
to
announce
the
folks
that
are
the
beginning
consortium,
members
and
our
project.
B
But
we've
got
a
lot
of
excitement
and
interest
in
leading
inflating
into
this
from
some
of
our
existing
client
base
in
the
natural
products
industry,
as
well
as
from
lots
of
nonprofits
and
environmentally
focused
groups,
and
so
having
them
realize,
like
wow,
I'm,
actually
kind
of
like
one
of
the
owners
of
this
blockchain
and
in
this
project
it
really
builds
them
will
in
to
the
EM
to
really
lean
in
and
try
to
understand
it
more
fully
and
see
how
they
could
participate.
So
I
think
it's
really
a
good
choice.
A
It
sounds
like
it
creates
kind
of
a
you
know,
a
team
effort
here
and
it
you're
also
providing
this
almost
as
a
tool
as
well.
So
you
know
they're
gonna
be
able
to
get
on
to
the
regen
Network.
You
know,
they're
gonna
now
be
able
to
leverage
the
blockchain
and
blockchain
technology
and
they're
now
going
to
be
able
to
leverage
all
these
other
technologies
that
connect
to
the
network
you're
building.
So
let
me
definitely
I
mean
it's
definitely.
A
You
know
this
is
gonna
benefit
a
lot
of
farmers,
a
lot
of
people
in
the
space,
and
then
you
know
it's
also
fascinating
how
you
want
to
integrate.
You
know
with
satellites
and
drones,
and
also
on
the
IOT
side,
because
that's
where
you
can
also
collect
some
of
the
data
which
then
you
can
do
in
later
analysis
on
so
that'll.
A
B
Right,
it's
like
it's
kind
of
like
a
self
some
self-fulfilling
process.
You
know
I
mean
obviously
some
of
our
envy
peas
that
we
start
out
with
it
probably
gonna,
be
pretty
simple
protocols.
No
well
actually
to
get
into
a
little
bit.
It's
trying
to
actually
measure
the
sequestration
of
carbon
using
remote
sensing
is
very
difficult
or
maybe
impossible.
I
don't
know
if
it's
impossible,
but
you'd.
B
You
need
more
ground
truth,
that's
right!
So
so,
if
we
start
with
some
more
simple
ecological
protocols
like
one
of
the
ones
that
I've
been
imagining
starting
with,
is
just
a
basically
a
verification
of
no-till
agriculture,
yeah,
which
is
very
easy
to
do
from
from
remote
sensing
from
satellite
data.
B
You
know:
did
this
farmer
till
they're
not
till
it's
actually
a
really
relevant
question
in
which
generative
agriculture
space
right
now,
because
the
movement
to
try
to
shift
farmers
away
from
a
highly-decorated,
aigrette
ori
agricultural
system,
towards
a
more
regenerative
agriculture
system
often
starts
with
like
the
reduction
in
plowing.
So
we
can
start
that
will
learn.
C
It's,
and
so
one
thing
I
just
want
to
say,
also
got
that
you
know
that
process
will
bring
in
the
scientific
community
together.
One
thing
that
we've
been
seen-
and
you
know
that
also
kind
of
leads
into
this
consortium
model-
is
as
we're
going
and
we're
talking
to
different
people
working
in
this
space.
There's
a
lot
of
people
trying
to
create
those
verification
protocols
trying
to
look
at
you
know:
measuring
carbon
sequestration,
other
types
of
regenerative
land
use
management
practices,
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
remote
sensing.
C
And
how
do
you
get
them
to
come
to
the
table
and
say:
let's
collaborate
on
things,
so
you
know
we're
hoping
that
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
groundwork
in
science
for
building
these
things
will
actually
come
from
existing
organizations
that
we
then
invite
to
join
the
consortium.
And
then
you
know,
then
they
already
have
a
team
and
there's
some
there's
a
few
that
we're
talking
with
right.
A
C
Mean
I
don't
want
to
mention
them
that
they
have.
You
know
pretty
large
teams
and
they've
been
in
this
space
for
quite
a
while
and
they're
pretty
excited
about.
You
know
using
blockchain
technology
and
we're.
You
know
the
challenge,
there's
presenting
a
business
model.
How
do
they
still,
you
know,
have
a
funding
source
and
make
money,
wow,
they're
kind
of
open
sourcing,
their
work
and
I.
C
C
A
Think,
what's
really
interesting
about
what
you
guys
are
trying
to
do
is
you're
you're,
creating
you
know
you're
kind
of
looking
at
this
from
the
aspect.
If
let's
build
this
network
and
then
that
network
can
be
leveraged,
you
know
by
farmers
by
these
IOT
companies.
So
there's
dozens,
if
not
hundreds,
of
different
business
models
that
could
leverage
what
you're
building.
So
it
doesn't
necessary.
Really,
you
know
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
a
non-profit.
If
you
want
to
use
your
system,
you
know
you
could
use
your
system
and
still
be
a
for-profit
entity.
A
A
B
One
of
the
one
example
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
is:
we
were
approached
when
we
are
when
we
are
at
DEFCON
3.
We
are
approached
by
a
group
called
ether
risk
which
is
a
aetherium
contract
based
insurance
company
and
and
we've
actually
had
conversations
with
reinsurance
companies
as
well
on
a
much
larger
scale
and
so
ether
risk
offers
a
crop
insurance
product
to
their.
You
know
to
whoever
wants
to
sign
up
for
it.
It's
much
much
much
more
straightforward
than
a
traditional
crop
insurance
contract.
B
Where
you
know
when
your
crop
is
wiped
out,
then
you
have
to
like
fill
out
all
this
paperwork
and
like
make
sure
that
you,
actually
you
actually
can
receive
these
benefits
where,
as
an
etherium
based
smart
contract,
around
crop
insurance
basically
basically
says.
If
these
data
points
say
X,
Y
or
Z,
then
your
your
the
contract
is
paid,
and
they
approached
us
and
said
right
now.
Our
contracts
are
based
on
really
generalized
weather
data.
You
know
it
doesn't
actually
have
anything
to
do
with
that
person's
particular
piece
of
land.
B
So
if
you
think
about
something
like
Dallas
Texas
having
the
you
know,
the
amount
of
floods
had
this
last
year
and
the
amount
of
claims
that
were
made
to
insurance
companies,
the
reinsurance
companies
took
a
huge
hit.
You
know
they,
so
the
cool
thing
about
reinsurance
is
that
they
are
actually
incentivized
to
invest
in
to
systemic
change.
If
a
reinsurance
company
can
invest
into
some
sort
of
systemic
change
that
actually
reduces
the
amount
of
total
insurance
claims
happening,
then
they
make
more
money
so
so
take
Dallas,
for
example.
B
How
could
we
incentivize
less
flooding
around
Dallas?
So,
okay,
let's,
let's
think
about
this-
from
a
biological
systems
perspective
and
ecological
agriculture
perspective.
If
you
build
more
topsoil
on
a
one
acre
farm
of
of
ground
that
ground
for
every
percent
increase
in
organic
soil,
organic
carbon
in
the
soil,
you
can
hold
50
thousand
more
gallons
of
water
in
that
soil.
So
this,
so
that's
in
one
acre,
you
know
there's
hundreds
of
thousands
of
acres
in
the
watershed
around
Dallas.
This
reinsurance
company
could
put
smart
contracts
up
on
region
network
saying
for
any
farmer.
B
In
this
watershed
who
has
been
verified
to
a
built
top
soil
will
pay
you
whatever
Matt
I,
don't
know
what
it
is:
$100
per
acre
for
every
1%
increase
in
organic
matter
yeah
and
that
improves
their
business
model
by
doing
that
and
you're
also
sequester's
carbon
rays
and
also
creates
more
fertile
ground
and
also
increases
higher
nutrition
food
being
grown
out
of
those
farms.
It's
like
a
win,
win,
win
win
and
when
you
start
doing
this,
it's
awesome.
A
A
B
We
explored
you
know
in
the
early
in
the
early
days
of
this,
explored
all
our
options
about
legal
structures
explored,
doing
a
Swiss
Foundation
and
having
an
offshore
entity
that
you
know
has
all
these
interesting
relationships.
In
the
end
we
decided
to
come
back
to
where
most
of
us
are
based,
which
is
right
here
in
the
United
States,
and
we
really
wanted
to
do
this
whole
thing
through
a
501c3
nonprofit.
You
know
our
goal
out
of
this
is
not
a
quick
buck
in
our
pocket.
B
You
know
our
goal
about
around
out
of
this
is
planetary
regeneration.
We
want
to
have
a
planet
here
for
our
kids
and
our
grandkids.
You
know,
and
the
model
that
we
think
makes
the
most
sense,
for
that
is
running
it
through
a
501c3,
that's
very
open
books
and
transparent
about
all
of
our
operations.
In
the
end,
after
working
with
our
law
firm
on
this,
they
recommend
it
to
us
that
we
actually
run
the
token
sale
through
a
for-profit
entity
and
so
we're
currently
actually
as
of
just
last
week.
You
know
starting
the
beginning
of
May.
B
We
launched
us
kind
of
a
soft
launch.
For
our
token
sale,
private,
private,
private
placement,
saft
agreements-
you
know
it's
all
reg
D
securities
laws
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
not
sure
that
this
is
a
security.
But
we
we
are
sure
that
the
staff
does
security,
because
the
shaft
is
offering
future
tokens
so
trying
to
stay
above
the
law,
trying
to
stay
very
transparent
and
clear
about
everything.
We're
doing.
B
In
our
first
round
of
fundraising,
we
Raving
just
aiming
to
raise
five
million
dollars
that
five
million
dollars
will
then
give
us
a
runway
to
really
be
really
pushing
on
the
development
side
of
things.
You
add
a
number
of
developers
to
Aaron's
team.
He
pushed
in
the
development
of
the
blockchain
and
the
ecological
contracting
frameworks
and
the
in
the
language
that
we're
using
for
this
project
as
well
as
starting
to
make
the
partnerships
that
are
really
important.
B
You
know
connecting
with
those
government
agencies,
corporations
and
philanthropic
efforts
that
that
that
sea
region
network
as
a
as
an
important
piece
of
infrastructure
that
they've
kind
of
needed
all
along.
So
so
at
some
point
after
the
token
sale
is
done.
We're
aiming
to
raise
40
million
dollars
over
the
course
of
the
next
year,
so
for
this
project,
when
the
token
sale
is
done,
we've
wrapped
up
a
couple
contracts
and
things
with
the
with
the
for
profit,
we're
donating
that
entire
for-profit
entity
to
the
nonprofit
organization.
B
C
A
I
mean
it
yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
fascinating
model
because
you
know
I've
been
watching.
You
know,
there's
there's
kind
of
this
gap
right
now,
where
you
know
we
have.
You
know
what
the
blockchain
enables
you
to
do
in
terms
of
structures
for
corporations,
especially
when
looking
at
these.
Essentially,
a
decentralized
organization
is
what
you're
you're
building
here.
You
know
the
legal
framework
for
that
doesn't
exist
yet
so
you
know
we
have
the
law,
we
have
C
corpse
s
corpse
and
all
you
know
nonprofit
organizations,
but
what
happens
when
you're
in
the
middle?
A
What
happens
when
you're
kind
of
a
non-profit,
you're
also
kind
of
for-profit,
but
then
you're
also
this
decentralized
organization
composed
of
dozens
or
hundreds
of
other
corporations?
So
you
know
it's,
you
know,
I.
Think
you're
taking
you
know
an
interesting
approach.
You
know,
I've
looked
at
a
couple,
different
companies
in
this
space
as
well-
and
you
know,
I-
think
the
nonprofit,
using
a
non-profit
as
kind
of
the
foundation
to
own
some
of
the
intellectual
property
and
possibly
even
own.
The
watching
itself
makes
the
most
sense,
especially
for
your
use
case.
A
I
mean
if
you
were
doing
something
else
that
was
you
know
clearly
just
for
profit,
then
that'd
be
a
different
story,
but
in
this
case
you
know
having
the
intellectual
property
owned
by
a
non-profit
kind
of
allows
you
to
have
more
of
a
decentralized
system
both
legally
and
functionally
on
the
software
side,
so
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
fascinating
model.
I
think
it's
also
interesting
that
you're,
starting
with
the
for-profit
and
then
you're
gonna,
donate
it
to
the
nonprofit.
A
You
kind
of
allows
you
to
skirt
some
of
those
initial
issues
of
setting
up
the
nonprofit
first,
which
you
know
nonprofits,
are
not
easy
to
set
up.
There's
a
lot
of
regulations.
You
have
to
go
through
a
whole
process
depending
on
the
state.
You
know
where
you
are,
but
so
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
good
model,
especially
for
being
able
to
secure
and
maintain
the
intellectual
property
of
the
blockchain
and
the
technology
itself,
so
they
you're
making
sure
that
you
know
one
of
your
partners.
A
Doesn't
you
know
that's
a
for-profit
entity
even
if
they
end
up
being
a
billion-dollar
industry,
doesn't
completely
control
and
dominate
the
technology.
It
still
enables
that
small
farmer
to
you
know,
still
have
access
to
the
technology
not
have
to
pay
premiums
on
licensing
fees,
or
you
know
any
of
the
stuff
that
we
currently
kind
of
see
with
our
current
legal
structures
and
our
current
systems.
This
will
allow
for
that
kind
of
transparency.
A
B
All
of
this
stuff
is
going
to
get
open
sourced
and
just
offered
out
there
to
the
community
and,
and
anyone
is
invited
either
to
to
use
it
either
through
region
networks
platform
or
to
or
to
work
something
that
we've
made
and
and
improve
on
it.
If,
if
you
think
you
can
and
then
you
could
still
use
our
blockchain
to
run
your
protocols?
Okay,
if
you
know
if
we
can
get
to
planetary
regeneration
through
this
one
way
or
another
than
that,
we've
won
yeah.
A
You
know
this
model
is
not
you
know.
This
has
been
done
before
previous
dubois
chain
technology
I
mean
obviously
there's
a
new
element
with
the
decentralization
of
it,
but
WordPress
is
actually
a
really
good
example.
So
they
have
a
nonprofit
organization
that
actually
owns
the
WordPress
trademark,
and
then
they
run
all
of
their
events
there
there
they
call
them
word
camps,
they're
kind
of
the
events
that
they
have
all
over
the
world
and
those
are
actually
run
through
their
nonprofit.
A
On
top
of
that,
you
know
nonprofit
code,
so
these
models
have
been
explored
in
the
past,
so
there's
definitely
there's
definitely
a
history
of
using
different
legal
organizations
for
different
purposes
and
then,
of
course,
again
there's
this
new
wrinkle
of
how
do
you
do
this
with
these
decentralized
organizations?
So
you
guys
are
kind
of
at
the
forefront
of
that
to
be
able
to
figure
out.
A
You
know
what
what
does
that
look
like
using
the
existing
legal
frameworks
that
are
available
today
and
then
you're,
essentially
creating
the
future
of
what
those
frameworks
look
like
with
smart
contracts.
You
know
moving
forward,
so
you
know
it's
definitely.
You
know
you
definitely
have
an
ambitious
project
ahead
of
you,
but
you
know
definitely
something
that
can
benefit
the
world
totally
cool.
B
B
Well,
I
was
just
gonna
say
we
definitely
been
told
that
there's
a
very
ambitious
project
and
it
is
I
mean
it's
it's
so
much
land-based
mean
we
it's
unlike
a
lot
of
other
blockchain
projects.
In
that
you
know,
identity
verification
is
very
important
like
we
have
to
know
who
it
is.
That's
actually
doing
these
things
on
the
land.
You
know,
land
tenure
is
very
important.
That's
different!
In
every
country.
B
You
know
these
ecological
state
protocols.
Even
if
you
talk
about
how
do
you
measure
biodiversity,
you
know
create
a
protocol
around.
That
I
mean
it's
gonna
be
different
here
in
the
Tetons
where
I
live.
You
know
it's
6,500
feet
up
on
the
mountains
than
it
is
going
to
be
in
Texas
or
than
it
is
going
to
be
an
Ecuador,
so
I
mean.
Ultimately,
this
has
to
be
an
effort
that
brings
a
large
community
of
contributors
together.
B
B
The
case
is
what
we
believe
is
that
we
can
facilitate
a
process
of
bringing
the
right
players
into
the
conversation
and
create
a
set
of
incentives
that
then
drives
a
global
movement
towards
figuring
out
what
these
proper
protocols
are
and
and
who
would
like
to
help
fund
those
things
happening
in
the
world.
Now
that
I
believe
we
can
do
when.
A
You're
building
a
system
that,
while
they're
funding
it
they're
they're
helping
both
themselves
and
everyone
else,
who's
a
part
of
the
network,
so
you
get
kind
of
that
collective
effort
and
then
the
data
as
well
is
going
to
be
critical
and
useful
for
being
able
to
share
that
data
between
users-
and
you
know
other
members
of
the
network,
so
you
can
go,
see
hey.
You
know
this
farm
is,
you
know,
successfully
accomplishing
these
yields
and
you
know
they're
successfully
accomplishing
these
goals.
You
know
what
is
their
method?
What
is
the
data
say?
A
You
know:
what
techniques
are
they
using
that
I'm
not
using
on
my
farm
or
my
land?
How
can
I
get
those
same
kinds
of
yields?
How
can
I
achieve
those
same
kinds
of
goals?
So
once
you
get
down
Aaron
see,
did
that
kind
of
data
now
you're
you're,
creating
almost
a
knowledge
base
of
you
know
how
to
do
this
totally.
A
B
You're
hitting
on
it
you're,
hitting
on
a
huge
important
point
that
we
haven't
really
touched
I
mean
there's
so
many
added
benefits
to
this.
Somebody
might
come
back
and
say
yeah,
but
there's
tons
of
agricultural
data
out
there,
and
you
know
what
that
agricultural
data
is
all
about.
It's
all
about
Monsanto's
business
model.
You
know
it's
all
about
animal
agriculture,
large
plowing
systems.
You
know
the
the
Green
Revolution
style
of
Agriculture.
B
There
isn't
very
much
money
out
there
funding
the
collection
of
data
that
has
to
do
with
ecological
agriculture
techniques-
and
you
know,
study
after
study
shows
us
that,
when
farmers
transition
to
ecological
agriculture,
not
only
do
they
make
better
profits
per
acre
than
the
other
system,
but
they
actually
can
produce
higher
higher
outputs.
There's
a
there's
a
two
or
three
year
dip
when
it's
like
the
land
has
is
in
a
bit
of
a
is
still
like:
transitioning
from
being
chemical,
chemical
focus
back
to
organic
and
a
living
system.
B
But
then,
after
that,
if
if
they
apply
the
right
processes
and
techniques,
people
can
get
higher
yields
than
then
in
the
chemical
system.
Why
are
every?
Why
is
everyone
still
using
conventional
agriculture
and
chemical
agriculture?
There's
just
way
more
money
in
it
for
the
big
players,
you
know
Dow
and
Monsanto,
and
you
know,
throw
the
US
government
in
there
because
they're,
just
you,
know
tied
in
with
this
whole
system.
They
they
subsidize,
corn
and
soy.
B
You
know
to
the
hilt,
like
crazy,
I,
I,
believe
what
you're
getting
out
here
is
such
a
big
important
that
the
data
that's
going
to
be
coming
out
of
region
network
is
gonna,
be
building
a
knowledge
Commons
that
we
can
offer
to
the
world's
farmers
to
show
them
look.
Here's
the
here's,
the
science
behind
the
fact
that
ecological
agriculture
is
going
to
be
better
for
you,
your
families,
your
communities
and
the
world
as
a
whole.
Yep.
A
And
that's
huge
that'll
that'll
change
things
and,
like
I
said
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
you
know
this
is
gonna
kill,
profits.
You
know,
as
you
said,
you
know
there
may
be
a
little
dip
initially
once
the
land
has
to
kind
of
regenerate
itself,
but
once
it
does,
then
you
can
actually
increase
your
yields
and
also
help
the
planet
at
the
same
time
and
help
your
local
community.
So.
A
Of
you
know
ecological
agriculture,
or
it's
just
plain
as
day
and
we've
seen
the
side
effects
of
you
know
of
big
agriculture,
and
you
know
the
systems
that
we
have
today
and
the
food
that's
being
produced.
I
mean
you
know
the
rates
of
diabetes,
obesity
and
all
the
health
problems
that
you
know
the
United
States
in
particular
is
facing,
and
you
know
many
third-world
countries
are
now
starting
to
face
as
well.
A
It's
a
result
of
what
we're
eating
and
in
Italy
switching
people
over
to
a
more
you
know:
organic
and
healthy
diet
where
they're
eating
foods
that
you
know
have
more
nutrition
and
have
more
health
benefits.
I
mean
people
are
gonna,
live
longer
and
be
healthier
and
happier
and
they'll
have
less
health
problems
from
you
know.
Essentially
the
system
that
you're
trying
to
create
so
there's
a
so
you're,
not
just
talking
about
regenerating
the
planet
you're
also
talking
about
regenerating
the
human
population,
because
this
is
gonna-
provide
a
food
source.
B
A
C
A
A
Lot
more
technical,
obviously,
but
you
know
I,
think
I
think
so
far.
What
we've
kind
of
gotten
is
a
good.
You
know
a
good
macro
picture
of
where
you
guys
are
going
because
I
think
on
the
mic
resided
with
the
tech.
There's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
variables
and
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
you
you're
still
gonna,
be
figuring
out
and
that's
literally
normal
and
natural,
and
that's
part
of
you
know
being
on
the
edge
of
an
emerging
technology
like
this.
So
you.
A
C
I
I
think
I
would
I
would
basically
just
say
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we're
talking
about
and
it's
a
complex,
complex
set
of
problems,
and
you
know
if
you're
curious,
you
can
check
out.
We
have
a
in
addition
to
our
white
paper
and
our
sort
of
token
sail
document
or
light
paper.
We
have
system,
X
architecture
document
and
a
protocols
document
that
goes
over
the
scientific
protocols.
You
know
so
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of,
we
think
there.
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
thinking
that
you
know.
A
Absolutely
yeah
I
mean
it's
clear
that
what
you
guys
are
building
is
real
you've
done
the
research.
You
know
you're
you're,
at
the
edge
of
this
you
know,
obviously
with
your
back
or
an
errand
like
you
know,
you've
you're,
clearly
on
the
edge
of
this
and
you're
you're
gonna
build
a
solution
that
you
know
makes
sense.
So
you
know
I,
you
know
I,
definitely
love
to
read
more
of
the
white
paper
and
see
some
of
the
more
scientific
stuff
we
could
also,
you
know
possibly
do
another
episode
in
the
future
and
dive
a
little
deeper.
A
B
There's
so
many
different
interesting
aspects
to
this.
We
have
multiple
PhDs
now
working
on
remote
sensing
and
working
on
the
first
iterations
of
the
ecological
state
protocols,
and
so
it's
really
fascinating
to
learn
about.
You
know
how
exactly
satellite
imagery,
how
satellite
data
collects
data
and
the
different
bands
of
data
they
come
and
how
you
can
you
can
infer
things
about
the
photosynthetic
activity,
etc
from
different
bands
and
I've
learned
a
ton
through
this
okay,
where.
B
B
You
know
our
white
paper
started
out
at
over
80
pages
long,
and
so
we
needed
to
turn
it
into
three
different
page
papers.
So
we
got
it
a
little
bit
more
succinct
now,
but
now
we
also
have
a
tech
paper
and
an
ecological
state
protocol
paper
so
check
those
out
I
would
also
encourage
anybody.
That's
listened
and
has
thought
you
know
my
organization
or
my
company
might
be
interested
in
in
connecting
with
the
consortium
and
being
a
part
of
this
project.
B
We've
had
them.
We've
had
the
opportunity
to
really
grow
people's
understanding
of
what
blockchain
is
and
what
it,
what
it
means
for
the
world
and
grow
the
capacity
of
these
companies
to
understand
how
they
might
be
able
to
interact
with
it,
and
we
would
love
to
have
a
chat
with
you
about.
You
know
joining
into
the
consortium
and
being
a
part
of
the
governance
of
this
of
the
system,
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
say.
Of
course,
we
daren't.
We
do
have
a
token
sale
open
right
now
it
is.
B
It
is
only
for
folks
that
that
fit
as
accredited
investors
according
to
US
law,
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
actually
have
to
have
a
certification
from
anywhere,
but
it
does
mean
a
certain
a
couple
different
bullet
points,
so
your
current
net
worth
etc.
I
wish
that
we
could
open
it
up
to
everyone,
because
I
have
a
lot
of
friends:
who'd
love
to
chip
in
50
bucks
hundred
bucks,
but
unfortunately
US
securities
laws.
Don't
allow
that.
B
But
if
you
you
know
what
I'd
say
is
the
people
we're
looking
for,
for
investors
are
people
who
are
really
interested
in
put
it
in
their
ass,
some
of
the
assets
behind
like
ecological
health
in
the
world.
You
know,
I,
wouldn't
I
mean
I,
don't
I,
don't
encourage
you
to
go
after
this
if
you're,
just
looking
for
a
hundred
time
return
on
a
I,
see,
oh
that's
blast
through
the
roof
at
the
that's
right.
I
think
our
token
could
do
really
well
I
think
it
will
do
very
well
over
time,
but
that's
not
our
point.
C
C
You
know
we
definitely
welcome
people
to
to
sort
of
volunteer
their
time.
I
actually
know
there's
a
number
of
people
that
didn't
mention
that
and
we,
if
you're
listening,
we're,
definitely
planning
and
looping
you
in
just
once.
We
get
a
little
more
bandwidth
in
our
in
our
schedule
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
we
can
kind
of
integrate
some
of
the
community
that's
reached
out
to
help
out
with
developments,
there's
also
reddit
that
we
started.
That
has
isn't
really
super
active
yet,
but
you
know
we're
definitely
welcome
the
community
plumbing
and
chat
with
us.