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Description
Gregory Landua, Jake Hartnell, and Sarah Baxendell join the space to discuss the DAO-ification of Regen Network and cosmwasm.
A
A
I
assume
Gregory
is
on
his
way
coming
from
another
meeting.
Welcome
Sandra
stio
appreciate
you
as
always
being
here
and
so
attentive
to
regen
awesome.
Well,
we
can
slowly
slow
walk
into
our
conversation,
so
we've
got
a
a
few
things
to
cover
today.
There's
a
lot
of
places
we
could
go.
Governance
is
starting
to
heat
up
as
we're
both
within
regen
and
even
over
in
CLA,
which
I'm
sure
back
can
talk
about
here
shortly.
A
A
That
is
a
obviously
a
potential
candidate
for
permission
km,
wasm
to
as
a
a
governance
opportunity,
but
there's
other
really
interesting
use
cases
of
kwm
which
we'll
dig
into
as
well,
ideally
so
I'm,
just
inviting
Gregory,
Gregory
I
just
invited
you
up,
maybe
to
start
us
off
backx.
Do
you
want
to
just
maybe
kind
of
give
us
a
broad
brush?
Your
sense
of
the
DI
ification
needs
and
opportunities
kind
of
where
we're
at
now.
A
You
know
we
and
I'll
just
say
as
for
context,
we
we
just
published
a
looking
back
article.
That
I
think
gives
a
really
interesting
and
really
in
a
lot
of
ways
as
somebody's
been
part
of
it
since
2017
a
really
NE
neat
overview
of
the
our
historical
journey
and
how
we've
arrived
here
and
starts
to
look
over
the
horizon
a
little
bit
about
what's
next
for
the
regen
ecosystem.
A
A
B
B
So,
to
switch
to
back
to
the
topic
that
you
started
with
Dave,
you
know:
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
discussions
at
various
locations
across
the
network
with
Builders.
You
know
starting
to
think
about
what
it
would
be
like
to
have
CM
lawm,
a
smart
contacting
framework.
You
know
you
and
I
Dave
thinking
about
network
marketing.
You
know
we
already
have
a
tokenomics
working
group
led
by
Max,
where
R&D
and
foundation
and
quite
a
few
other
organizations
are,
you
know,
leaning
into
that
Discovery
process
and
what
we're
kind
of
realizing
is.
B
You
know
our
community
is
really
getting
quite
large.
There's
a
lot
of
different
people
with
a
lot
of
different
skills
who
really
care
very
deeply
about
regen
Network
have
been
entrenched
in
the
network
in
one
way
or
the
other
for
a
really
long
time,
and
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
R&D.
Thinking
about
our
end
users.
B
How
do
we
think
about
Network
growth
as
a
distributed
system
of
different
organizations
that
can
emerge
where
you
know
their
working
groups
to
their
DS
and
lots
of
different
kinds
of
community
members?
Can
lean
in
and
be
able
to
create
by
joining
those
DS
and
really
have
a
broader
set
of
regular
participants
with
you
know
financial
support,
hopefully
so
that
more
people
can
be
more
creative,
more
easily
and
more
openly
within
region
Network.
B
So
maybe
I'll
pass
off
to
Gregory,
so
you
can
kind
of
elucidate
sort
of
where
he
thinks
we're
at
right
now
and
then
you
know,
maybe
you
know
Dave
I
think
it'
be
awesome
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
marketing
Dow
we
have
in
mind
specifically
and
to
kind
of
touch
before
you
know.
Jake
joins
us
at
the
half
hour.
You.
D
B
Around
you
know,
the
implication
of
you
know
having
a
developer
Dow
and
where
we're
at
with
regen
Ledger
on
046,
and
you
know
how
we
have
the
opportunity
actually
to
just
like
we've
done
in
the
project.
Developer
side
really
create
an
incubated
community
of
software
developers
to
build
on
and
around
region
Network
at
the
next
phase.
So
I'll
pass
over
to
greting
at
some
Contex.
C
Setting
yeah
thanks
so,
let's
see
I,
think
there's
a
couple
of
different,
just
just
pieces
of
framing.
That
I
think
it's
always
great
to
start
with.
You
know
again,
let's
all
of
these
governance
conversations
and
this
process
of
this
quite
complex
process
of
progressive
decentralization
which
which
can
be
filled
with
Hazard
and
and
potholes
along
the
way
because
it
requires
you
know
a
complex
set
of
incentive,
alignments
and
and
user
requirements.
C
So
from
a
from
a
sort
of
30,000
foot
perspective,
what
R&D
region,
Network
development
public
benefit?
Corp,
you
know
the
sort
of
the
Genesis
org
and
the
and
the
core
software
team.
Up
until
now,
that's
been
building
regen,
Ledger
and
other
things
supporting
Community
Development
developing
methodologies.
C
What
r
inde
believes
is
the
is
the
sort
of
vision
the
is
a
system
for
Progressive
verification
of
ecological
state
to
be
linked
with
payments,
so
that
citizens
and
science
land
stewards,
local
stakeholders
can
all
be
in
the
ownership
seat
for
setting
governing
and
monitoring
standards
instead
of
having
those
standards
be
set,
monitored
and
governed
by
a
bureaucracy.
That's
a
world
away
when
a
payment
is
going
to
a
local
farmer
or
a
local
indigenous
Community.
C
The
the
again,
the
theory
here
is
that
what
is
broken
about
the
current
market
solutions
for
nature-based
finance
is
that
it's
a
top-
down
bureaucratic
institution
that
is
easily
captured
and
manipulated,
and
therefore
trust
is
degraded,
and
so
the
antidote
to
that
is,
and
always
has
been
a
deeply
decentralized
and
user
owned
Community
the
blockchain,
an
application.
Specific
blockchain
is
what's
perfect
for
that.
Okay,
but
here's
the
hazard,
the
hazard
is
that
a
an
an
app
specific
blockchain
requires
the
right,
both
the
right
throughput
to
afford
the
infrastructure
of
that
decentralization.
C
However,
what's
always
been
remarkably
odd
to
me,
we
have
the
probably
the
most
real
world
assets
living
on
chain
of
potentially
anywhere,
although
maybe
cow
and
regen
are
sort
of
at
some
form
of
parody,
at
least
in
terms
of
what's
been
bought
and
retired
or,
and
certainly
from
a
pipeline
perspective
of
what's
coming
to
the
market.
I
think
we
we're
sort
of
at
the
lead.
However,
that's
not
sort
of
like
onchain
yet
and
it
just
not.
The
transactions
aren't
sort
of
getting
distributed
yet
to
maintain
the
infrastructure.
C
C
For
instance,
we
need
a
community,
as
osmosis
has
led
the
way
to
take
ownership
of
communication
and
marketing
for
a
a
variety
of
different
stakeholders
and
to-
and
we
have
the
sort
of
the
features
there
is,
of
course,
regen
budget
and
I
believe
there
also
be
some
small
amount
of
stable
coin
budget
to
get
things
going
and
what's
nice
here.
Is
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
Market
real
assets
right
and
make
income
from
doing
that?
So
that's
cool!
That's
that's
uncommon
in
the
web
3
space.
C
This
Commons
approach
to
ecological
assets
to
Ecco
crediting,
which
we
I
think
as
a
community.
All
believe
you
know
if
we
don't
achieve
that
right,
that
these
carbon
markets,
these
institutional,
the
the
sort
of
bureaucratic
institutional
approach,
will
end
up
excluding
farmers
and
land
stewards
and
scientists
and
Indigenous
people
from
any
engagement
and
so
you'll
end
up
getting
sort
of
the
the
elite
oligarchy
setting
standards
and
enforcing
those
standards
which
isn't
just
sort
of
like
a
bummer.
C
It's
actually
undermines
confidence,
legitimacy
and
effectiveness
of
the
market,
because
local
stakeholders
know
best
and
need
to
be
have
the
range
for
any
of
these
sorts
of
processes.
That's
just
that's
empirically
factual
right.
So
again,
the
big
things
that
are
going
to
I,
I,
guess
kind
of
like
make
or
break
the
future
of
regen.
C
The
ask
the
quest
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
for
engaged
participation
in
de,
develop
developer
engagement
for
the
next
upgrade
for
region,
Ledger
and,
as
Sarah
noted,
there's
very
exciting
movement
to
adopt
kmm
as
a
permissioned
VM
on
regen
ledger.
So
that's
where
that
lives
and
we
can
link
to
that
discussion.
People
can
engage
and
developers
can
contribute.
There's
a
forming
developer.
Dow
around
that
concept.
C
There's
the
token
economics
working
group,
which
is
being
led
by
our
friend
Max,
is
an
independent
Community,
run
group
to
assess
different
token
economic
designs
and
propose
them
to
the
community
in
an
effective
and
efficient
way
right
and
there's
the
marketing
Dow,
which
is
the
shift
of
and
decentralization
of
communications,
so
that
we
can
appropriately
tell
the
story
as
a
community
instead
of
just
as
R&D,
and
these
are
enormously
exciting,
although
you
wouldn't
know
it
by
the
current
Twitter
turnout.
I
love,
all
of
you
who
are
here.
C
There
is
actually
a
lot
of
Engagement
signal
channels
and
telegram
channels.
You
know
things
happening
and
moving.
We
tend
to
always
just
be
scattered
across
all
these
different
channels,
but
that's
my
kind
of
like
context,
setting
and
sort
of
like
connecting
us
back
to
the
bigger
North
Star
and
like.
Where
are
we
as
a
network?
Where
is
R&D
public
benefit
Corp?
And
why
are
these
three
initiatives
so
important?
So
now
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
time
to
kind
of
maybe
revert
back
and
we
over
the
course
of
this
conversation.
C
We
we
did
do
a
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
deep
dive
on
the
token
economics.
One
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
talk
about
that.
So
much
in
this
Twitter
space,
I
think
for
the
rest
of
this
next
10
minutes.
I
think
it'd
be
awesome,
Sarah
for
you
and
Dave
to
just
dig
in
and
engage
and
and
talk
us
through
the
sort
of
marketing
Dow
concept.
What
you're
thinking
about
how
you're
thinking
about
it?
C
Anything
else
where
you
guys
kind
of
as
community
members
are,
are
sort
of
like
proposing
something
and
then,
as
Jake
hops
on,
we
can
dig
into
km,
wasm
and
I.
Think
kind
of
also
you
know,
in
addition
to
the
sort
of
you
know,
Network
upgrade
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
really
Lively
conversation
at
that
point
around
these
concepts
of
nested
governance,
where
we're
using
Dow
da
or
groups
module
to
govern
for
the
right
stakeholders
to
go,
govern
specific
features.
B
There
awesome
thanks
for
the
contact
setting,
Gregory
yeah,
so
I
mean
I.
Think
Dave
and
I
can
uniquely
speak
to
marketing
Dow.
You
know,
which
is
a
a
concept
that
we're
gonna
put
forth
a
discussion
about
over
the
next
few
weeks
for
this
distinct
Dow,
as
well
as
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
Gathering
as
an
ecosystem
and
talking
about
the.
A
B
B
Of
dows-
and
you
know
what
we
collectively
think
is
going
to
be
necessary,
I
think
there's
there's
things
in
in
a
marketing
Dell.
That
would
be
really
really
valuable.
Frankly,
you
know
one
the
regen
Network
handle
is
the
protocol
and
communities
communication
Forum
here
on
Twitter,
managing
that
as
a
dow
and
allowing
for
a
more
open
process
of
community
members
to
submit
requests.
I
think
would
make
the
process
of
communicating
what's
happening
across
the
entire
network.
B
D
B
Website
for
the
broader
ecosystem
that
showcases,
what
the
ecosystem
is,
the
ecosystem
access
points,
user
guides
technical
docs
tools,
stuff
that
everybody
should
have
really
open
access
to
there's
an
opportunity
for
like
a
wider
set
of
ecosystem
storytelling.
If
that
content
kind
of
lives
in
its
own
space
and
then
from
the
perspective
of
you,
know,
R&D
as
the
Genesis
organization
of
the
protocol
itself,.
D
B
Know
having
created
and
spun
up
the
protocol
for
it
to
then
be
decentralized.
There
are
some
things
that
R&D
just
can't
talk
about
in
an
open
way,
including
you
know
regen
token.
Where
is
it
listed?
Is
it
valued,
there's
some
limitations
for
legal
reasons
about
how
we
could
talk
about
that
and
having
a
marketing.
Dow
would
also
allow
for
us
to
have
a
narrative
around.
What
is
the
governance
token.
B
For
why
does
it
reflect
the
economy
and
the
participation
level
of
the
network
at
large?
And
why
does
it
have
value
Beyond
just
being
a
staking
token,
with
the
name
of
region
Associated
to
it?
So
there's
like
new
opportunities
that
could
exist
in
a
marketing
D
as
well
as
I,
think
that
there's
lots
of
community
threads
and
Community
storytelling
and
Community
ideas
that
having
a
marketing
D
that
you
know
has
the
opportunity
to
be
also
be
creative
in
its
work
like
design,
creative,
artistic,
creative.
B
D
C
B
I
have
like
The
Vibes,
all
the
time
and
so
much
fun
and
the
work
that
our
team
does
together.
So
I
would
also
just
love
for
people
to
like
have
access
to
that
Vibe
like
yeah.
We
get
to
create
all
these
cool
things
together.
Let's
be
creative
and
a
lot
of
that
work
is
not
super
public
and
not
super
scen.
But
it's
like
it's
the
place
to
be,
in
my
opinion,
so
I
just
would
love
to
hear
your
opinion
as
far.
A
Yeah
for
sure,
happy
to
share
I
think
you
know:
I've
got
I'm
of
two
mind
or
several
Minds
I
guess,
but
you
know
one
mind
you
know
as
like:
a
longtime
marketing,
Communications,
professional
and
the
I
you
know
and
and
Dows
working.
You
know
in
the
same
as
a
vehicle
for
that
space.
I
have
frankly
a
bunch
of
like
just
questions
of
like
how
we
properly
activate
it
and
provide
accountability
and
quality
assurance,
and
you
know
and
buyin
essentially
like
you
know
why.
A
Why
are
people
going
to
want
to
participate
like
how
do
we
get
people
excited,
engaged
and
bought
into
this
concept,
which
I
think
is
critical
to
the
future
of
the
network?
Right,
it's
a
publicly
governed
ecological
Ledger,
and
it
is
time
for
it
to
fly
with
community
and
and
I
the
the
part
I.
Guess
that
excites
me
is
thinking
that
you
know
you
know
transparently,
it
has
been.
You
know
back
and
I.
You
know,
and
a
few
other
folks,
who've
largely
directed
the
communications
and
the
The
Narrative,
the
brand
development.
B
A
A
You
know:
regeneration
at
the
Biore
Regional
level
at
the
Watershed
level
at
the
international
level,
so
you
know
how
we
can
tell
that
story
both
at
the
I
guess
kind
of
like
at
the
at
that
Watershed
level
and
at
the
kind
of
meta,
30,000
foot
view
level
by
engaging
and
kind
of
un
unpacking.
The
stories
on
the
ground
and
from
the
people
who
are
already
active
around
regen,
Network
I
think,
is
probably
one
of
the
more
exciting
things
that
I'm
I'm
eager
to
figure
out
how
to
do.
A
B
C
B
B
D
B
D
D
D
B
We
could
contract
in.
We
could
really
do
some
of
this
upleveling.
That
I
do
think
serves
the
protocol
itself.
It
also
serves
every
Creator
on
the
protocol,
so
I
just
think
there's
kind
of
like
infinite
possibilities
when
you
sort
of
release
marketing
as
a
creative
engine
out
to
the
community
and
let
lots
of
people
come
and
collaborate
around
it,
and
that
gets
me
really
really
excited
it's
8:30.
Oh
we've
got
more
people
that
have
showed
up,
including
Jake
good
morning
Jake.
B
A
Day,
yeah
pardon
me,
Jake
I've
sent
you
an
invitation
to
there.
You
go
so
yes,
so
Jake,
cmoms
being
considered
by
the
regen
commun
Community.
You
obviously
played
a
critical
role
in
the
kind
of
proliferation
of
kmm.
Maybe
you
could
start
by
kind
of
framing
up
what
is
kmm
and
then
you
know
and
what
the
opportunities
are
around
it
and
then,
as
a
you
know,
permissioned
application.
D
Sure
yeah
good
morning,
everyone
I
just
woke
up
is
awesome.
It's
basically
smart
contracts.
So
you
know
you
know
how
like
in
ethereum
there's
this
like
evm
thing
and
everyone
can.
You
know
easily
copy
and
paste
like
code,
that
other
people
write
and
just
like,
deploy
it
on
their
blockchains
and
suddenly
it's
like
they
have
like
a
real
developer.
Community,
it's
early,
I'm!
Sorry,
if
people,
my
jokes
are
going
to
fall
really
flat,
but
smart
contracts
are
really
cool
because
they
allow
for
this.
D
Like
really
awesome,
you
know
reuse
of
of
functionality,
and
it's
re,
like
you
know,
in
the
cosmos
SDK
we
have
our
Cosmos
SDK
modules
and
you
get
reuse
of
functionality,
but
then
you
also
get
a
lifetime
of
having
to
maintain
and
upgrade
that
that
stuff.
It's
it's
a
lot
of
work.
The
great
thing
about
smart
contracts
is
they're,
much
more
stable.
D
So
really
I
think
the
advantage
of
wallom,
which
is
the
sort
of
like
smart
contract
framework
of
of
choice
for
for
much
of
Cosmos,
there's
over
30
chains
that
support
cosmism
at
the
moment
and
there's
all
sorts
of
different
kinds
of
applications
from
like
nft
T
to
to
defi
to
like
basic
kind
of
like
utility
sort
of
contracts
like
payment,
Splitters
or
escrow
contracts.
You've
got
Dow
tooling.
D
Obviously
you
got
all
all
the
nft
stuff
like,
and
so
there's
this
wide
array
of
functionality
that
you
have
a
chance
to
bring
to
regen
Network
for
the
very
low
cost
of
just
uploading
it
through
a
governance
proposal.
Cosm
bom
has
something
that
the
evm
doesn't
support
there.
Two
versions
of
it
there's
permissionless
cos,
which
is
like
pure
Anarchy
like
Juno,
and
then
you
have
permission
cosm,
which
is
much
more
like
the
App
Store
kind
of
model.
D
So
like
osmosis
and
stargaze
use
these
models
to
great
effect
I
would
I
would
advocate
for
the
App
Store
model.
I
think
you
want
people
like
to
be
sort
of
vetted
when
they're
like
deploying
applications
or
new
functionality
on
on
to
region
Network,
but
yeah
I,
guess
to
sum
it
up
what
is
cosm
wasm?
It's
a
smart
contract
framework,
simple
as
that,
why
is
it
cool?
D
It
means
it's
more
easily
easy
for
developers
to
extend
like
the
functionality
of
regen
Network
and
not
necessarily
have
to
get
buying
from
the
core
team.
Managing
the
core
software
like
some
outside
you
know,
organization
can
just
build
like
a
really
cool
new
like
I,
don't
know
nft
Tree,
Project
or
something,
and
they
can
just
do
it
and
and
it.
A
A
Think
I'm,
you
know
I'm,
you
know
I'd
say
both
within
the
cosmos
ecosystem
for,
like
you
know,
interacting
with
other
Cosmos
chains
and
a
cross
ecosystem,
like
you
know,
working
being
able
to
connect
conect
in
with
you
know,
other
chains
like
salano
or
you
know
an
ethereum
chain,
or
you
know
elsewhere
like
how
what
are
the
opportunities?
What
are
the
kind
of
challenges
there?
A
D
I
think
it's
just
you
just
have
to
do
less
right,
because
you
can
rely
on
external
developers
more,
like
I,
think,
there's
probably
many
ways
to
look
at
this
and
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
really
like
early
I'm,
not
the
the
sharpest
at
the
moment.
I
haven't
even
had
coffee,
yet
gasp,
but,
like
I,
think
from
regions
perspective.
There's
like
not
a
lot
of
like
resources
to
develop.
D
You
know
like
custom
functionality
in
apps,
so
like
Dow
ton,
for
example,
is
something
that's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
and
it
can
get
really
really
complex
right.
So
lately
in
Juno,
we've
been
working
on
this
new
sort
of
chart,
we're
calling
at
the
Juno
Charter
it's
like
the
precursor
to
the
the
Constitution
we
wanted
to
like
take
first
T,
but
it's
pretty
complicated.
D
We
have
this
whole
like
veto
kind
of
system,
and
you
know
there's
like
different
different
types
of
like
checks
and
balances
on
the
various
different
subd
Dows
that
comprise
the
Juno
Network
and
well.
You
know
if,
if
regen
wanted
to,
you
know,
do
something
similar
right
for
its
sta
structure.
Guess
what
all
that
code's
already
written
in
daow
and
you
could
just
deploy
it
yourself
using
Cosmos
and
so
you'd
get
all
this
really
Advanced,
like
sort
of
governance,
functionality,
kind
of
for
free
and
I.
D
Think
that
that's
kind
of
the
like
idea
is
that
it's
just
more
easy
to
build
on
top
of
regen
Network
and
it's
more
easy
to
leverage
the
work
of
others
in
the
cosmos
ecosystem,
whose
work
will
like
also
benefit
regen
Network
in
terms
of
connecting
to
other
blockchains.
Did
you
know
that
the
polka
dot
Bridge
is
a
wasm
like
client
running
in
kmm,
so
I
think
there
is
this
element
that,
like
kmm,
also
provides
this
this
this
kind
of
like
playground
where
we
can
like
start
building.
D
You
know
these
new
types
of
bridges
in
many
ways
you
know
one
of
the
things
you
can
do
with
cosmism,
which
I
think
we're
going
to
see
more
examples
for
in
the
future.
Is
you
can
verify
zers
using
many
of
the
Great
rust
Li
liaries?
That
out
are
out
there
guess
what
all
the
cryptographers,
what
language
they
use?
They
use
rust,
and
so
you
can
just
use
rust
code
in
cosm
wasm
and
like
bring
it
to
your
cos
Cosmos
chain.
D
So
if
you
have
a
verifier
that
verifies
I,
don't
know
like
a
ZK
proof
from
like
ethereum
or
like
some
evm
chain
like
great.
It's
really
easy
for
you
to
just
have
have
that,
like
INR
in
your
smart
contract
and
be
able
to
like
you
know,
verify
ZK
proof
from
like
an
like
an
evm
chain
like
ethereum
like
that's,
really
cool,
it
doesn't
work
with
go,
not
yet
I
mean
it
probably.
Will
it
probably
could
but
like
it's
just
like
also
like
how
much
work.
D
A
D
I
mean
kwum
has
been
battle
tested
from
the
beginning.
There
was
this
I,
don't
know
you
ever
heard
of
this
project
called
Tera.
It
got
to
like
over
100
billion
dollars
in
market
cap
and
was
doing
insane
volume
like
at
the
time
and
its
entire
defi
apparatus
and
stack
was
all
built
with
cosm
aom
for
the
most
part.
Now
they
had
terrible
economics
design,
it
wasn't
a
smart
contract
bug
or
whatever
that
collapsed
Tera.
It
was
just
the
fact
that
it
was.
D
The
economics
were
not
bad,
so
it's
not
going
to
protect
you
against
bad
tokenomics,
but
it
has
been
battle
tested
in,
like
you
know,
like
very,
like
large
value
environments
for
a
while
I
mean
and
I.
Think.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
as
well
is
that
permissioned
cosmism
is
insanely.
Safe.
I
cannot
think
of
one
instance
where
permissioned
like
cosm
bom
has
been
hacked
right
because
it
like,
in
order
to
upload
like
a
smart
contract
to
the
chain.
D
You
have
to
go
through
governance
or
get
approved
by
governance,
to
upload
smart
contracts
to
the
chain,
and
that
usually
results
in
like
quality
and
no
bad
actor.
Can
like
not
just
like
upload
some
malicious
thing
to
your
chain,
so
that
is
like
insanely,
insanely
safe
and
then
you
know,
as
someone
who's
run
like
a
permissionless
network
for
Wow.
Almost
two
years
now
is
like
you
know,
we've
we've
also
had
some.
You
know
challenges
right.
We
had.
D
We
were
attacked
like
twice,
but
you
know
things
things
still
running
today
and
every
every
time
there's
something
like
that.
That
happens.
You
know
it
gets
upstreamed
and
we
fix
it
for
for
future
versions.
But
again,
I
wouldn't
recommend
like
permissionless
CMM
for
regen,
Network,
I
think
but
yeah
I
think
the
the
actually
the
permissioned
cosmos
is
safer
than
writing
custom,
SDK
modules
guaranteed
and
the
reason
is
like
when
you
write
a
custom
SDK
module.
D
You
are
effectively
dealing
with,
like,
like
this
metaphor,
might
fall
flat
for
some
people,
but
like
kernel
like
level
access,
you
have
access
at
the
lowest
level.
It's
like
spaghetti
code.
Any
module
can
touch
the
state
of
any
other
module.
So
if
I
like
am
ready
in
my
custom
module
and
then
I
get
access
to
the
bank
module.
Well
guess
what
I
can
now
modify
anything
in
the
bank
modules
right,
and
so
it
could
be,
like
you
know,
completely
unintentional
right,
like
some.
D
Some
developer
could,
just
like
accidentally,
like
you
know,
make
a
bug
or
whatever,
but
all
that
stuff
is
Cosmos.
Sdk
stuff
is
way
way
more
dangerous
than
writing
a
kmom
smart
contract,
because
kmom
smart
contracts
are
nice
and
sandboxed.
It's
really.
It's
really
kind
of
a
great
design
and
I
think
that
we
should
say
no
to
Cosmos
SDK
modules
and
say
yes
to
reusable
and
modular
smart
contracts.
C
C
Doing
many
different
things
and
again
you
know
we
sort
of
started
today
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
we
started.
This
conversation
today
and
I
would
really
encourage
people
to
go
back
and
listen
to
the
recording
of
this
Twitter
space
for
sort
of,
like
my
overview
of
the
context
and
the
the
process
of
progressive
decentralization,
that's
underway
right
now
and
the
the
the
why
and
the
how
of
that.
C
So,
however,
we
accomplish
this
I
believe
we
need
to
put
it
easily
at
the
fingertips
of
users
to
be
able
to
fund,
raise
with
an
art
collection
or
sell,
produce
or
start
collecting
data
and
have
Micro
Eco
credit
sales
to
just
a
local
community.
For
fundraising.
All
of
these
things,
which
are
not
not
the
same
as
producing
institutional
grade,
carbon
credits
or
biodiversity
credits,
which
is
where
a
lot
of
r&d's
core
team
energy
has
gone
to
for
a
variety
of
reasons
for
better
or
worse.
C
But
you
know
we
can't
create
a
democratized
platform
by
solely
focusing
on
institutional
adoption,
but
at
the
same
time
we
can't
build
there's
this
Paradox.
We
can't
build
a
truly
transformative
Network
unless
we
have
both
Grassroots
features
and
functionalities,
as
well
as
institutional
credibility
and
adoption
like
we
need
two.
D
I
have
I
have
thoughts
on
this
nft
module
yeah
like
I,
would
say,
like
you
know,
the
largest
nft
Marketplace
in
Cosmos
doesn't
use
the
nft
module.
Why
do
you?
Why
do?
Why?
Do
we
have
another
module
that
has
to
be
maintained?
Guess
what
most
of
the
like?
You
know
the
stargaze
Outpost
code
when
it's
going
to
be
coming,
aw
great
interesting.
You
know
why.
D
You
know
the
core
Mission,
the
the
thing,
the
fundamental
problem,
that's
like
really
unique
for
for
you
guys
like
issuing
like
credibly
awesome.
You
know
ecological
assets
like
and
like
really
just
bringing
together.
All
these
different
components
to,
like
you
know,
serve
the
higher
purpose
and
so
I
I
guess
H
nfts
are
great.
I
totally
agree
that
there's
a
lot
of
cool
stuff
that
that,
like
the
regen
Community,
could
do
with
nfts
and
like
being
able
to
Mint
them
and
sell
them
and
do
all
this.
D
You
know
fun,
stuff
and
and
I
think
cosmism
can
provide
a
lot
of
that
and
yeah,
don't
don't
add
another
module
that
you
just
have
to
maintain.
That's
another
module
you'll
have
to
upgrade
to
47.
That's
another
module.
You'll
have
to
upgrade
to
50,
just
like
it's
not
core
to
the
like.
It's
not
core
mission
in
my
opinion,
and
you
can
also
tell
me
that
I'm
wrong
and
that
that's
completely
fair,
so.
C
C
C
D
Like
I'm,
not
I,
think
there's
a
decision
that
has
to
be
made
on
46
versus
47,
because
you
know
if
it
that
that's
like
a
it's
almost
a
separate
question
from
CMM
we
can
do
both
47
would
be
slightly
preferable.
It's
more
of.
Like
you
know
what
are.
Does
the
team
have,
like
other
reasons
for
wanting
to
move
to,
47
of
which
there
are?
Are
some
I
shouldn't
wouldn't
solely
base?
This
decision
on,
like
the
cosom
part,
that's
relatively
trivial.
C
Once
totally
so,
I
think,
if
you
don't
mind,
Jake,
just
having
a
quick
look
at
the
the
technical
questions
that
were
raised
there,
that
are
primarily
around
the
versioning
and
and
choices
there.
I'll
definitely
make
sure
that
that
Ryan
who's,
our
our
Ledger
Dev,
lead
and
Corey
and
others
also
engage
there.
I
think
that's
the
right
place
to
have
sort
of
the
long
form
technical
discussion
and,
of
course,
we
can
also
specifically
host
a
Twitter
spaces.
That
is
a
technical
Deep
dive
in
the
questions
and
hashes.
C
Those
things
out
and
kind
of
like
gets
it
on
public
record.
That's
all
good
I'm,
certainly
not
the
right
person
to
really
have
an
opinion
about
that
other
than
you
know.
I
want
it
to
be
safe
and
I
want
us
to
have
access
to
a
more
modular,
faster
development
cycle
that
is
more
open,
so
that
more
people
can
contribute
and
build
than
we're.
C
Currently,
capable
of
doing
for
that
that
you
know
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
so
we
just
need
to
shift
the
Paradigm
and
that's
what's
underway,
so
I'm
personally
excited
and
sort
of
like
in
I'm,
in
support
of
as
long
as
it's
technically
as
long
as
we
achieve
technical
consensus
among
the
stakeholders.
I'm
super
excited
about
this
next
step.
One
question
I
have
actually,
while
we've
got
you
Jake
is
what
what
are
the
give
me
your
pros
and
cons
for
for
a
chain
like
regen?
C
D
Contracting
I
mean
cosm
WM,
as
a
virtual
machine
versus
the
evm
is
much
more
performant
by
like
like
an
like
a
few
orders
of
Mag
the-
and
this
is,
is
why
we
can
do
things
like
ranked
Choice
voting
and
doubt
out
all
in
smart
contracts
doing
that
in,
like
in
in
the
evm,
where
you
have
like
much
more
like
limited
compute
is
I,
have
a
you
know,
I'm,
hesitant
to
say
things
are
impossible,
but
it
it's.
It's
incredibly
challenging
same
thing
with
like
IBC
stuff.
D
D
Which
was
like
basically,
like
you
know,
a
lot
of
people
look
at
performance
in
terms
of
like
TPS,
but
we
should
also
look
at
performance
in
terms
of
compute.
So
my
friend
did
this
Benchmark
between
salon's
VM
evm,
a
polka
dot,
substrate
module
and
km
wasm
for
the
largest
Fibonacci
number
that
you
could
compute
controlling
for
a
bunch
of
factors
like
gas
and
a
counting
for
gas
and
like
things
like
that
and
cosom.
D
Just
like
blew
away
the
competition
like
it's
almost
as
good
as
a
cloud
flare
flare
worker,
because
web
assembly
has
been
highly
optimized
from
beginning
through
performance
in
terms
of
using
ether.
For
example,
you'd
have
to
talk
with
the
with
the
team
that
R
makes
it
right
because
they
they
have
a
whole
licensing
scheme
around
it.
So
it's
not
necessar
free
to
use
in
the
same
way.
You
know
that
is
that
could
be
a
potential
option
for
sure
and
you
could
also
have
both
if
you
really.
C
Want
well
that's
what
I
was
gonna
that
was
going
to
be.
My
follow-up
question
is
I
commonly
think,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
like
speculative
from
an
adoption
and
economic
perspective,
but
just
being
honest,
a
huge
like
the
ethereum
community,
broadly
inspired
by
Region's
leadership,
is
kind
of
all
in
on
refi
and
there's
all
sorts
of
there's
I
mean
my
critique
would
be
there's
a
lot
of
emotion,
there's
a
lot
of
sort
of
noise
and
not
that
much
signal
right.
C
But
but
that's
how
things
you
know
the
froth
and
the
movement
and
all
those
things
happen.
We
are
constantly
thinking.
How
do
we
interoperate
most
smoothly?
How
do
we
bring
people
to
us?
How
do
we
bring
a
strong
community
that
has
solidarity
and
mutuality
and
contributes
to
the
common
so
that
we
actually
succeed-
and
you
know
I
oftentimes
wonder
you
know-
is
the
evm
is
have-
is
providing
an
evm
because
of
cultural
affinity
and
domain
and
application
Affinity,
something
we
should
be
thinking
about
and
up
until
now,
we've.
C
D
Yes,
totally
I
I
think
that
that
is
very
doable
again.
You
would
have
to
you
know,
talk
with
a
team
that
maintains
eent.
They
did
change
the
license
around
it,
but
yes,
it's
very
possible
and
it's
something
I.
Actually,
you
know
you
can
actually
run
the
evm
inside
of
WM
and
one
of
the
things
I
have
planned
for
future.
This
is
we
I
think
this
will
happen,
maybe
sooner
than
some
people
might
think,
but
you
know
having
a
km
having
the
kmom
VM
also
support
the
evm.
D
D
C
My
I
mean
that's
my
opinion
in
a
nutshell,
essentially
and
I.
Think
we've
basically
have
hit
and
are
at
a
place,
maybe
with
there's
AR.
Arguably
arguable
there
might
be
some
things
to
build
out
as
go
modules,
but
they
should
be
done
rarely
extraordinary.
Rarely
and
with
a
lot
of
forethought
about
why
and
I
totally
agree.
I
mean
I
think
the
data
module
the
credit
module,
Marketplace
module
working
together
with
the
group
module,
gives
us.
You
know
what,
what
like
the
the
minimum
viable
application,
specific
functionality
that
drives
what
we
understand
to
be
this.
C
You
know
origination
and
Marketplace,
integrated
origination
and
Marketplace
system
for
ecological
assets,
but
then
we're
missing
all
of
these
other
creative
features
and
application
user
experience
tools.
That
I
think
we
need
to
leverage
I
I'm
excited
about
kmom
and
I'm.
Excited
that
to
hear
you
talk
about
which
I've
known
is
a
tech
technically
possible?
But
you
know
it's.
It's
always
been
a
question.
When
might
something
like
this
happen?
C
The
ability
to
embed
you
know
an
evm
system
inside
of
the
the
wasm
virtual
machine
is
it's
that's
exciting,
and
that
feels
that
feels
right,
because
it
gives
us
all
of
the
modularity
extensibility
security
and
usability
to
multiple
developer
ecosystem.
So
it's
very
super
exciting.
So
again,
I
think.
D
D
Having
having
smart
contract
virtual
machines
or
a
virtual
machine,
where
you
can,
you
can
figure
out
which
one
is
is
best
for
you
is
I.
That
is
the
main
point
I'm
trying
to
convey
here,
which
is
like
it
allows
people
to
build
functionality
like
nfts,
like
leveraging
existing
like
awesome,
Dow
tooling,
like
all
the
all
the
stuff
that
you
know
Creator
like
will
help
people
more
easily
extend
the
region
Network
like
what.
D
Life
forms
that
can't
be
owned
by
anyone,
they're
technically
nfts,
but
they
sort
of
Exist
by
themselves,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
the
idea
that,
like
the
rivers
or
the
forests
or
trees,
they
they're
they're
their
own
entities,
we
we
might
think
they
own,
we
own
them
because
they
fall
on
our
property
or
whatever.
But
you
know
so.
You
can
there's
a
lot
more
to
play
around
with,
and
it's
just
about
giving.
C
Invited
for
I'm
I'm
gonna,
just
we're
so
at
the
top
of
the
hour,
we
have
just
been
blessed
by
Jake's
wisdom
and
excitement
about
kmm
I'm,
pretty
excited
about
following
up
on
this
conversation
with
ether
Min
and
the
idea
of
evm
on
regen
has
long
been
something
I've
been
mulling
over.
So
in
this
moment
of
progressive
decentralization,
it's
a
great
moment
to
be
exploring
and
thinking
about
together,
Jake
thanks
so
much
for
getting
up
early,
and
you
know,
jamming
with
us
son's
coffee,
you're,
a
hero.
C
That
no,
it
was
it
was
all
coherent
remarkably,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
could
have
pulled
it
off,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
just
yeah
just
give
you
a
big
shout
out,
and
thanks
Point
everybody
who
wants
to
sort
of
like
dig
deeper
or
make
comments
to
the
Commonwealth
Forum.
It's
one
of
the
the
latest
ones.
If
you
go
to
regen,
Commonwealth
Forum
you'll
see
it
right
there.
This
is
the
idea
of
bring
kmom
to
regen.
C
There's
also
going
to
be
there's
a
lot
going
on
over
in
the
governance.
Forum
I
would
just
fully
invite
everyone
who's
interested
to
spend
a
little
time
reading
through
and
contributing
whether
you
have
a
strong
opinion
or
you
need
more
information
to
form
an
opinion
or
whatever
that's
a
great
place,
to
engage
in
the
long
form.
Dialogue
that
we
continue
to
believe
sets
the
tone
for
Community
ownership
of
this
type
of
digital
infrastructure.
A
C
You
know
true
if
we
lean
in
and
engage
with
the
governance
process
together,
whether
that's
contrarian
or
in
agreement.
This
is
the
moment
that
we're
going
to
either
co-own
own
and
out
cooperate
the
competition
to
build
like
this
miracle
of
a
decentralized
network
that
essentially
was
given
birth
without
VC
Capital,
without
weird
incentives
to
be
a
plausibly,
neutral
application
and
domain
specific
place
for
deep
regenerative
application
of
web
3
or
we'll
prove
people
that
are
naysayers
about
the
the
graph
Roots
Community
ability
to
pull
something
like
that
off.
C
You
know
there
are
people
who
don't
believe
we
can
do
that
right,
who
believe
that
you
need
some
big
moneyed
sugar
daddy
to
push
everything
through
and
that
all
of
this
decentralization
talk
is
just
a
bunch
of
blather.
There
are
people
who
believe
that
and
and
many
of
those
people,
unfortunately
sort
of
have
web
three
personas
right
and
I,
just
I'm,
so
motivated
right
now
to
prove
them
wrong,
but
the
Paradox
here
is
that
my
motivation
isn't
what's
important.
It's
actually
this
moment
of.
C
A
Right
on,
thank
you,
everybody,
I
I,
do
want
to
flag
on
Wednesday
morning
next
week,
Lowa
Labs
validator
is
going
to
be
hosting
a
governance,
call
for
anyone
interested
in
just
jumping
in
and
talking
about
all
the
governance.
That's
moving
around
km,
Wasa
permissionless,
credit
creation,
token,
the
token
economics
conversations
that
are
happening.
D
A
B
Yeah,
big
thanks
to
Jake
for
getting
up
early
I
hope
you
made
that
coffee
I
bought.
You
I'm
excited
about
all
these
governance
proposals.
It's
going
to
be
great
and
there's
one
more
y'all
should
be
aware
of
that
I
just
tweeted
about.
We
have
a
new
proposal
on
CLA
to
accept
regen
registry
as
one
of
its
list
of
approved
Reg
Industries
as
part
of
charting
towards
cross
chain.
B
We
think
yes,
because
our
credits
are
amazing
and
we're
going
to
be
going
through
some
similar
processes
with
other
communities
of
adopting
region
Network
on
platforms,
both
web2
and
web3,
formally
through
the
next
six
months.
So
there
are
more
avenues
for
the
Eco
credits
to
get
out
to
Market.
So
this
is
just
one
of
many
discussions
with
communities
and
partners
that
we
do
also
hope
that
folks
will
lean
into
beyond
our
governance
forum
and
that
one
is
in
the
clead
out
Forum
so
good
morning.