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B
A
You
got
it
welcome
I'm,
gonna,
step
back
and
let
you
lead
the
show
here.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
and
talking
to
us
about
the
road
to
cop
looking
forward
to
hearing
hearing
what
you
have
to
say.
Enjoy.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you.
Everyone
for
coming
here,
I
see
some
familiar
faces.
There's
familiar
avatars
Ed
Hi!
How
are
you
I
see?
Sharon
pranav,
Rebecca
Howard,
oh
wow,
nice,
to
see
everyone
here,
I
hope
everyone's
having
a
great
a
great
evening.
Oh
I
see
Austin
too
fantastic
super.
B
Well
lots
of
people
coming
in.
So
maybe
I'll
leave
a
few
more
minutes
for
everyone
to
keep
streaming
in
I
know
it's
a
hot
topic
got
a
lot
of
complaints
from
a
lot
of
Kenyans
about
cop,
so
I'm
waiting
for
a
few
people
to
to
keep
streaming
in,
because
I
really
want
to
hear
what
people
have
to
say
about
this.
B
And
yeah,
just
for
everyone
who's
here,
I
want
everyone
to
know
that
that
we
want
to
have
an
open
conversation
about
our
road
to
cop
and
how
we
really
want
to
amplify
the
voices
of
the
communities
we
serve
and
of
the
land
stewards,
oh
hi,
Ned
and
so
yeah.
We're
gonna.
Take
this
opportunity.
B
Sorry
there's
a
my
neighbor's
motorcycle
just
turned
on
it's
really
loud
yeah,
so
we
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
amplify
the
voices
of
the
people
who
are
struggling
to
get
their
voices
heard
at
cop
27
is
a
very
important
policy
driven
and
policy
making
space,
and
yet
the
people
who
they're
meant
to
serve
rarely
even
get
an
opportunity
to
have
their
voices
heard,
and
this
is
just
region,
foundation
and
region.
B
Network's
attempt
to
amplify
voices
of
of
people
who
would
otherwise
because
of
visas
or
financial
reasons,
or
even
just
not
even
being
able
to
have
a
space,
because
I've
heard
that
that's
a
very
big
issue
now
as
well.
A
lot
of
people
have
been
complaining
to
me
that
they
are
actually
applying
for
spaces.
B
You
know
like
mission-led
organizations,
climate
activists,
climate
action
groups
are
just
not
being
given
a
space
to
speak
or
even
attend
and
actually
more
concerning
is
what's
actually
happening
in
in
Egypt,
because
I'm
hearing
now
that
the
Egyptians
themselves,
we're
going
to
need,
passes
to
even
be
in
their
own
city
of
Sharma
Sheikh,
or
to
move
around
there's
going
to
be
some
kind
of
cessation
of
movement.
So
it
would
be
interesting
to
hear
I'm
hoping
we
can
get.
Maybe
some
Egyptians
on
board
to
tell
us
about
the
situation
on
the
ground.
B
I
personally
haven't
had
access
to
anyone,
but
if
you
do
know
anyone
please
do
send
them.
This
invite
I'd
love
to
get
to
hear,
what's
actually
happening
on
the
ground
and
and
see
what
what
we
can
do.
If,
if
anything,
just
you
know,
share,
share
sentiments
or
even
amplify
that,
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
on
the
ground,
so
yeah
I,
guess
the
the
format
of
this
conversation
is
going
to
be.
B
What
would
you
say
to
policy
makers
if,
given
the
chance,
if
you
had
a
slot,
if
you
were
given
even
just
a
a
five
minute
opportunity
to
to
get
these
policy
makers
in
a
room?
What
would
you
say
to
them
as
a
regenerator,
as
as
an
activist?
B
What
would
you
say
to
them
and
maybe
I'll
just
get
the
conversation
going
and
and
and
instead
just
tell
you
what
I
would
say
because
I'm
I'm
from
Kenya
by
the
way
right
now
I'm
in
the
Kenyan
Coast,
it's
beautiful
it's
a
beautiful
evening
and
one
of
the
things
I'm
most
proud
of
as
a
Kenyan-
is
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
our
electricity
comes
from
regenerative
or
renewable
sources.
B
So
we
have
hydropower,
we've
got
geothermal
power,
we've
got
a
lot
of
wind
power
coming
in
and
we've
got
like
lots
of
wind
tunnels
and
stuff.
You
know
it's
always
sunny
in
Africa
and
a
lot
of
our
our
power
issues,
though,
because
our
power
is
expensive
and
a
lot
of
our
power
issues
are
usually
because
the
distribution
is
not
is
not
is
not
being
dealt
with.
So
I
would
say
to
policy
makers
if
I
had.
C
B
That's
done
in
a
lot
of
other
places,
so
I
mean
open,
open
it
up
to
foreign
direct
investment,
open
it
up
to
private
private
institutions
that
want
to
create
mini
grids
that
could
have
municipalized
localized
energy
that
doesn't
have
to
have
thousands
of
kilometers
of
of
power
grids,
I
mean
of
power,
distribution
pylons
being
created,
but
but
localized.
So
you
could
have
solar
farms
and
wind
farms
that
could
could
deal
with
the
needs
of
their
people
and
have
this
clean
energy
be
The
Driver
of
this
new
form
of
of
industrialization.
B
That
could
be,
you
know,
led
by
by
the
community
needs
rather
than
having
this.
This
idea
well
right
now:
Ethiopia
wants
to
export
energy
to
Kenya
because
as
much
as
we
have
all
this
energy,
apparently
we
don't
have
the
networks
so
that
that's
what
I
would
personally
say
and
I'm
curious
to
hear
what
it,
what
you
all
have
to
say:
I
really
don't
want
to
dominate
the
conversation.
B
B
So
Dave,
maybe
I,
might
need
your
help.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
make
a
person
a
speaker.
A
Yeah,
if
you
just
tap
on
their
tap
on
their
Avatar
or
pfp,
and
you
should
be
able
to
invite
to
speak,
it
looks
like
quasi
is
yeah
and
just
make
sure.
You're
on
your
mobile
phone
is
really
the
only
requirement
which
can
be
a
little
annoying.
But
it
is
the
nature
of
Twitter
yeah.
B
Thank
you,
Austin
wrote
an
amazing
piece
on
the
road
to
cop
and
and
and
a
very
interesting
our
article
and
I'm
I'm
curious.
If
you
want
to
maybe
share
with
us
a
little
bit
about
the
the
article
and
and
tell
us
what
your
thoughts
are
on
this.
A
I
extend
an
invite
to
Austin
as
well.
B
Oh,
there
we
go,
we
got,
we
got
Howard
hi,
Howard,
Hey.
D
I'm
I'm
online
too,
can
you.
D
The
the
kind
of
recent
sort
of
Reflections
on
cop
and
happy
to
kind
of
have
this
be
a
a
way
of
serving
up.
The
larger
conversation
you
can
check.
You
can
like
follow
me
or
like
look
at
the
region
foundation
account
to
have
a
look
at
the
piece
itself.
D
It's
published
on
mirror,
and
it
has
the
title
of
it:
is
community
stake
in
the
new
regenerative
economy
and
what
the
foundation
in
a
lot
of
our
conversations
the
region
Foundation
has
formulated,
is
what
are
the
major
limitations
and
shortcomings
around
the
notion
of
article
6?
D
That
was
formalized
at
the
last
cup
and
what
it
can
and
can't
do,
and
so
article
6
is
effectively
terms
around
different
nations
and
different
entities,
trading
admissions
in
order
to
meet
climate
targets
and
in
the
process
creating
a
carbon
Market,
For,
Better
or
For
Worse,
and
our
larger.
D
The
the
too
long,
didn't
read
of
all
of
article
6
that
the
foundation
is
arguing
should
be
centered
at
cop27
is
the
fact
that
less
than
three
percent
of
all
of
the
credits
produced
in
the
climate
Finance
industry
can
verifiably
be
proven
to
actually
be
regenerative,
which
is
a
staggeringly
small
number,
and
that
the
vast
majority
of
what
we
understand
to
be
happening
in
article
6
around
climate,
Finance,
regenerative
economics
and
carbon
credits
is
measures
of
avoidance
claims
that,
because
a
renewable
energy
was
made
that
harm
was
avoided
and
that
it
becomes
very
quickly
either
a
kind
of
Neo,
extractionary
or
neocolonial
game,
but
really
a
kind
of
accounting
game
around
not
actually
regenerating
the
planet
but
moving
the
numbers
to
make
it
look
like
you
did
and
making
millions
in
the
process.
D
So
the
the
thrust
of
the
article
is
that
climate
Finance
has
to
actually
be
regenerative
at
its
base
and
not
just
three
percent
of
what
is
otherwise
a
multi-billion
dollar
industry
and
to
do
that.
Climate,
Finance,
carbon
credits
or
the
more
holistic
version
of
Eco
credits
that
the
region
network
is
developing
and
the
larger
you
know
we're.
D
So
if
you
want
to
hear
a
more
verbose
version
of
that
check
out
the
article,
there's
a
lot
more
to
unpack
there,
but
I'll
just
pause,
because
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
the
space
but
yeah
the
regenerative.
Revolution
is
community
owned
and
governed
tldr
I'll
stop
thanks.
B
E
Well,
thank
you
and
I
want
to
commend
Austin
for
his
analysis
and
articulation
of
of
that
direction.
E
I
have
a
parallel
path
that
I
would
recommend
and
it's
to
create
a
global
carbon
currency
that
would
eventually
supplant
the
U.S
dollar
as
the
exchange
medium
and
we
have
to,
as
as
in
the
past,
gold
had
motivated
human
behaviors
to
an
extraordinary
degree
and
I
would
like
us
to
see
that
kind
of
incentive
structure
and
that
kind
of
very
clear
and
simple
valuation
to
say
that
we
are
trading
your
efforts,
your
your
wealth
is
measured
by
how
much
you're
contributing
to
climate
Solutions
and
obviously
there
is
a
whole
lot
of
complexity
and
I'm,
not
suggesting
the
U.S
currency
would
give
up
its
position
as
the
exchange
currency
quickly
or
easily.
E
Think
carbon
should
be
not
just
a
credit
but
a
whole
asset
class
that
people
buy
to
to
produce
and
grow
their
wealth
in
so
I
see
that
as
a
way
of
rethinking
our
economic
relationships
and
our
values
so
that,
in
the
way,
the
area
where
I
live
in
the
Pacific
Northwest
of
the
U.S
was
very
much
shaped,
as
certainly
from
California
to
Alaska
by
a
gold
rush.
Well,
we
need
a
carbon
rush
and
we
need
to
people
to
behave
as
if
this
is
the
most
valuable
thing
they
can.
E
They
can
acquire
and
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
regenerative,
I
think
for
Simplicity,
carbon
has
to
be
the
medium
of
exchange,
but
certainly
the
markets
could
be
designed
as
equal
credits
are
conceived,
to
have
the
whole
range
of
values
that
would
be
considered
wealth
going
forward
and
it's
kind
of
intuitive
in
a
way
that
the
more
carbon
in
the
in
the
land
over
which
you're
a
steward,
the
the
more
more
value,
the
more
soil
Health,
the
more
fertility.
So
that's,
my
that'd
be
my
pitch.
B
Thank
you
so
much
Howard
Howard!
How
about
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you're
doing
give
us
a
short
introduction
about
what
you're,
what
you're
up
to.
E
Well,
thank
you
I'm
up
to
nothing
nowhere
near
as
ambitious
as
I
just
articulated,
but
I'm
a
co-founder,
and
currently
the
president
of
What's
called
the
kolshan
carbon
trust
and
kolshan
is
named
after
what
the
settlers
called
Mount
Baker,
which
is
the
highest
not
the
highest
peak.
It's
one
of
the
volcanoes
in
the
in
the
Cascade
Range,
and
it
is
really
quite
an
extraordinary
place.
E
We
took
that
name
with
some
trepidation
about
appropriation
from
the
Coast
Salish
people
that
it's
originally
called
Kona
kosha
cultion
and
we
named
our
carbon
trust
culshan,
with
the
hope
that
we
could
demonstrate
in
this
really
beautiful
sailor
sea
region,
a
model
for
collaborative
natural
climate
Solutions,
we're
currently
with
the
help
of
regen
regen
Network
regen
Foundation,
where
commencing
a
biochar
pilot
project
this
month,
and
we
will
be
producing
some
carbon
for
markets
through
through
that
effort
as
a
pilot
project.
E
And
then
we
hope
to
be
able
to
establish
proof
of
concept
and
then
build
a
network
of
of
carbon
trust
in
different
communities
around
around
around
industry
of
the
US.
It's
a
and
then
to
see
if
this
collaborative
model
is
one
that
will
get
take
root
and
our
goal
is
to
establish
methods
and
to
model
behaviors
in
a
way
that
others
can
can
adapt
and
adopt
and
adapt
the
carbon
trust
model
for
protecting
carbon
in
in
in
soil
and
plants.
As
a
natural
climate
solution.
B
F
Hi
guys,
thank
you
shy
for
hosting
this
space
and
they
know
what
we'll
discuss
over
here
definitely
will
find
their
way
to
Egyptian
or
another
by
the
start
of
the
cop
27
next
week.
So
mine
is
just
I'll.
Just
be
brief.
I
just
I
come
from
from
from
a
lead
person
from
the
from
the
area
of
Victoria
and
in
that
part
of
the
country
here
in
Kenya
during
the
rainy
season.
F
There's
a
lot
of
water,
which
brings
about
not
so
many
fish,
but
the
water
levels
makes
the
place
not
really
habitable
for
the
locals,
because
they
can't,
let's
say,
use
the
lake
to
maneuver
from
one
place
to
another,
and
if
they
come
maneuver,
definitely
they
can
go
fishing,
which
is
a
problem
since
fishing,
the
source
of
livelihood,
but
for
as
a
means
to
survive
both
economically
and
physically.
They
need
fish
to
eat
and
also
now
during
their
when
they're.
F
On
the
on
these,
when
the
sun
is
during
the
dry
times,
the
water
levels
go
are
very
low,
that
the
fish
decide
to
migrate
and
go
to,
let's
say
areas
like
Uganda
or
some
other
part
of
the
of
the
lake.
That
the
that
the
water
levels
are
high,
so
you
find
it
that's
a
real,
that's
a
big
problem
for
the
local.
So
this
thing
this
was
brought
about
definitely
due
to
death
deforestation
of
the
island.
F
Actually,
it's
there
are
so
many
islands
in
the
lakefangano
rusinga
migingo,
the
famous
one
which
actually
all
the
trees
were
cut
down
and
became,
and
people
will
not
live
over
there.
They
can't
even
find
one
tree
over
there,
so
this
this
brought
about
all
this
problem
that
you're
facing
on
this
side
of
the
on
this
side
of
town.
So
my
question
actually
my
my
question
to
the
leaders
in
the
policy
makers:
there
will
be:
how
can
how
can
they
Embrace
technology
to
to
as
a
way
of
mitigating
climate
change?
F
Currently,
the
currently
the
world
is
moving
towards
our
iot,
Ai
and
blockchain,
and
you
know
what
they
say:
iot
is
there
iot
field,
I
things
and
blockchain
remembers
so
I
think
my
my
challenge.
The
leaders
will
be
to
embrace
to
embrace
technology
as
one
of
the
zone
of
the
ways
of
fastening
the
process
of
mitigating
climate
change
and
I'll.
F
Just
probably
just
pick
up
from
one
where
some
of
the
speakers,
what
some
of
the
speakers
talked
about
are
carbon
credits,
one
of
the
reasons
of
fasting
they
actually
liquidity
of
hustling
liquidity
from
from
the
West
to
this
from
the
West
to
Africa
and
all
other
parts
of
the
world
is
currently
through
crypto,
which
definitely
is
is
facing
a
lot
of
Butler,
not
silly
backlash,
but
it's
fair
to
be
embraced
with
the
by
the
majority
in
the
world.
F
If
not,
everyone
is
especially
the
us,
although
currently
I'm,
seeing
a
the
they're
starting
to
become
pro
pro
crypto,
especially
when
the
midterms
are
approaching.
You
see
the
the
pro
they're,
probably
talking
they're,
saying
that
they
want
to
be
too
crypto.
But
you
know
this
politicians.
They
can
just
be
talking
just
to
get
the
vote,
but
after
they
get
the
vote,
they
fail
to
implement,
or
they
say
so.
My
challenge
I
think
will
be
to
encourage
to
to
embrace
technology
as
one
of
the
ways
of
fastening
the
process
of
mitigating
climate
change.
A
Thank
you
for
sharing
quasios
super
helpful
I,
see
some
other
friends
out
in
the
audience.
I
raised
good
to
see
you
and
but
you
up
in
case
you'd,
like
to
join,
welcome
Gregory
and
team.
D
And
I'm
also
going
to
prompt
Anna
Maria.
If,
from
your
perspective
of
the
work
you're
doing
in
Colombia,
we
had
an
awesome
time
talking
over
the
last
month
when
a
lot
of
different
regenerative
economics,
people
were
down
in
South
America.
So
if
you're
inclined
I,
definitely
invite
you
to
step
up
and
be
a
speaker.
H
Hey
guys,
sorry
I'm
literally
like
on
the
road
right
now
so
I
don't
have
like
good
service
and
like
I
I
was
like
really
like
trying
to
make
sense
that
like.
Why
would
they
solutely
and
I.
H
Like
I
think
like,
after
all
these,
like
events
and
now
that,
like
cop
27,
it's
coming
yeah.
G
I
H
I
mean
individually
I
mean
like
by
region
or
by
country,
because
maybe
like
the
the
help
that
we
are
asking
from
them
like
it's,
not
gonna,
come
as
fast
as
we
need.
H
So
for
me,
it's
been
more
like
okay,
let's
maybe
I
mean
not
ignore
them,
but
like
let's
like
use
what
we
have
our
disposability
and
start
like
growing
from
there
and
eventually
like
get
get
the
help
that
we
need
from
they're
like
entities
but
like
for
now.
Let's
like
we
have
so
yeah
like
that,
that's
like
pretty
like
yeah.
J
H
And
see
how
we
can
like
collaborate
with
between,
like
small
participants,.
D
It
definitely
brings
to
mind
like
how
much
does
a
centralized
meeting
Confluence
like
cop
matter
to
the
decentralized
and
distributed
process-
that's
underway
here
and
like
not
waiting
for
blockers,
but
allowing
local
initiatives
by
Regional
scale,
initiatives
to
get
off
the
ground
to
network
with
one
another
to
find
resonance
and
ways
to
amplify
and
be
altruistic
together,
like
you,
don't
have
to
ask
for
permission
for
that,
and
so
it's
a
parallel
work
of
putting
pressure
on
the
big
centralized
regulatory
agreements
like
the
type
of
things
that
happen
in
cop
and
then
this
Renaissance
that
we're
experiencing
of
all
these
different
individual
projects
that
are
developing
something
at
the
local
level.
A
Foreign
welcome
Raves
to
the
to
the
stage
any
thoughts
on
the
road
to
cop.
What's
moving
for
you,
you
know
and
I'm,
obviously,
following
along
Twitter
in
particular-
and
you
know
the
variety
of
people
who
are
setting
up,
obviously
site
events-
certainly
you
know
just
concerns
around
you
know
green
washing.
Are
we
getting
anywhere?
Is
this?
Are
these
important
events
to
be
at
you
know,
say
to
be
there
not
to
be
their
kind
of
feelings,
I
get
from
folks.
I
And
that's
that's:
that's
very
well
articulated
David
and
hello.
Gregory,
hello,
Austin.
Everyone
good
to
see
so
many
people
here,
yeah
I,
think
I.
Think
cop
is
one
of
those
things
where
it's
like
local
elections.
You
have
to
have
them,
and
sometimes
you
just
hate
them,
because
you
know
the
government
is
not
going
to
do
anything.
So
that's
similar
to
the
feeling
here
in
that,
especially
in
this
car
I,
think
the
general
general
feeling,
which
everybody
knows
but
is
afraid
to
say
it
alone.
I
Some
people
are
not,
but
most
of
them
are.
Is
that
probably
nothing
will
get
done.
It
was
beyond
time
when
all
the
governments
needed
to
make
you
know
a
conscious
effort,
and
the
question
is
really
really
really
boils
down
to
finances
right.
How
much
Financial
people
is.
Are
the
governments
willing
to
put
in
and
in
what
way
will
they
hold
themselves
accountable
for
it
on
adaptation,
on
mitigation
and
loss
and
damage?
I
And
how
does
carbon
Market
play
a
role
here?
Where
does
equity
and
Justice
come
in?
These
are
the
broad
questions
and
and
if,
if
we
reach
any
sort
of
agreement
or
treaty
and
everybody
agrees
to
it
and
goes
home,
Happy
I'd
be
very,
very
surprised
to
me.
It's
just
a
glaring
example
of
how
it's
really
hard
to
have
like
a
few
hundred
people
meet
and
know
everything
about
what
is
going
on
in
the
planet.
I
I
think
that's
a
heavy
burden
on
them
and
we
just
have
to
be
aware
of
their
limitations.
I
think
the
community
sector
and
the
private
sector
has
a
huge
huge
role
to
play
here
and
I
am
curious.
If
you
know
in
the
context
of
all
of
these
and
on
a
Grassroots
level,
particularly
as
web3
as
an
industry,
can
we
start,
you
know
parallel
conversations
and
have
vetri
be
the
voice
of
the
community,
to
also
you
know,
generate
bottom-up
kind
of
financing
facilities,
self-governed
entities
and
so
on.
That
can
make
progress
faster.
I
And
I'm
gonna
hand
it
back
to
back
to
shella
here
and
and
and
you
David
and
anyone
else
who
who
wants
to
be
up
I
see
there
are
a
lot
of
people
here,
so
it
would,
it
would
be
lovely
to
know
those
who
are
going
there
and
especially
those
who
wish
you
could
be
there.
And
how
can
we
amplify
all
of
your
voices.
D
Shout
out
to
Lillian
in
the
audience,
Lillian
I
know
that
you
might
have
some
thoughts
and
Reflections
on
all
the
different
initiatives
that
you're
working
on
so
invite
you
to
speak.
If
you
like,.
K
I'm
happy
to
chime
in
a
little
bit
while
we're
waiting
for
other
folks
to
to
share
yeah.
It's
interesting,
I'm,
well,
first
off
good
morning,
everyone
afternoon
evening,
good
day,
I'm
I'm,
actually
still
on
the
fence
about
going
to
cop
and
and
currently
leaning
to
not
going
it's
interesting.
You
know
just
at
a
very
personal
level.
This
is
the
first
year
that
I've
wanted
to
go.
K
Generally
speaking,
my
inclination
has
been
like.
Oh
okay,
I
mean
this
is
sort
of
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
talking,
and
mostly
the
the
you
know.
My
focus
is
mostly
on
unlocking
Grass
Grass
Roots
potential
and
yes,
on
some
level.
These
institutional
processes
are
super
important
and
I
actually
believe
you
know
like,
like
institutions,
are
important
in
the
in
conversation
about
climate
change
and
other
things.
K
There's
no
doubt
about
that,
and
those
institutions
need
to
be
regenerated
reinvented,
evolved
and
be
much
more
place-based,
be
much
more
bioregional,
be
much
more
attuned
to
local
conditions,
and
if
these
big
institutional
structures
don't
have
kind
of
reference
designs
that
we,
the
people
who
are
actively
regenerating
places,
are
creating
ourselves.
It's
just
very
seems,
diminishingly
unlikely
that
the
institutional
processes
themselves
are
going
to
come
up
with
these
sorts
of
ideas.
K
That
said,
I
think
there
are
lots
of
placeholders
in
cop
and
in
these
sort
of
like
larger
treaties,
there's
a
desire
and
acknowledgment
for
these
institutions
to
I
believe
to
be
serving
local
communities
and
I.
Think
there
is
a
lot
of
commitment
amongst
those
stakeholders
that
that
aligns
pretty
deeply
it's
just
I've
just
been.
K
My
assessment
has
always
been
yeah,
but
it's
probably
most
valuable
for
me
to
just
keep
trucking
along
and
you
know,
and
building
and
and
connecting
this
year,
I
had
kind
of
a
different
take,
which
was
mostly
I
kind
of
want
to
go
and
learn,
I
kind
of
want
to
go
and
see
the
processes
for
myself.
It's
so
easy
to
sit
back
and
either
judge
or
assume
and
but
but
actually
getting
a
first-hand
experience
is,
is,
is
really
different
and
and
and
could
be
pretty
exciting.
K
Now
that
said,
I
just
I
sort
of
feel
like
I've
expended
my
travel
budget,
both
sort
of
like
mentally
and
and
just
you
know,
time
away
from
family
time
away
from
just
like
getting
work
done
and
that's
why
I'm
on
the
fence
personally,
I
just
have
this
personal,
like
wow,
am
I
Really,
Gonna,
Fly
somewhere
else.
You
know,
I
have
my
ways
of
justifying
the
climate
impact
of
flights
based
on
the
importance
perceived
importance
of
of
doing
specific
work
that
really
can't
get
done
without
being
in
person.
K
You
know
so
setting
that
aside
and
and
just
sort
of
assuming
like
yeah,
it's
probably
net
net,
an
important
thing
at
this
point
or
could
be
justified.
You
know
I'm
just
really
in
this
personal
inquiry
around
my
own,
you
know
ability
to
be
effective
there
and
the
other
responsibilities
I
have
so
I,
don't
know,
that's
my
kind
of
my
that's
my
take
on
cop.
At
the
moment,
foreign.
D
A
Go
ahead,
Jimmy!
Thank
you
for
joining
us
up
on
stage.
What's
what's
moving
in
your
mind
on
cop
and
refi,
and
you
know
kind
of
like
yeah
this,
the
state
of
things.
This
is
a
seminal
event
and
moment
and
it
feels
like
you
know
it's
not
a
celebratory
time,
but
it's
it
is.
It
is
a
moment.
What
does
it
mean
for
you.
L
Yeah
most
definitely
I
think
that
some
really
special
things
happen
when
enough
people
put
their
minds
together
to
solve
big
problems
and
I.
Think
it's
I'm
really
curious
to
see
what
some
of
the
the
solutions
are.
The
action
plans
that
come
out
of
it
and
and
really
what
happens.
I
I
have
a
question
for
Gregory,
actually
or
or
maybe
anyone
else
who
wants
to
chime
in
on
this.
You
know
I'm
doing
Mangrove
tree
planting,
so
I
find
the
concept
of
Eco
credits
really
really
interesting.
L
You
know
rewarding
the
process,
not
just
the
outcome
and
I'm
curious
to
know
like
where
do
you
see
the
this
Eco
credits
concept
going?
L
K
Yeah
cool
question:
I'll,
you
can
speak
to
that.
You
know
briefly:
I
mean
I
mean
at
a
high
level.
I
think
you
know,
there's
sort
of
Eco
debt
and
Eco
credit
right
just
to
make
it
simply.
Our
whole
civilization
runs
on
eco
debt,
whether
we're
liquidating
living
Capital
to
turn
it
in
you
know
in
you
know
like
by
mining.
G
K
Earth,
minerals,
or
by
pumping
carbon
and
dioxide
into
the
atmosphere
there
there's
you
can
sort
of
conceptualize
the
ecological
debt
that
we're
accruing
and
you
know
I
think
at
a
top
level.
Eco
credits
are
regenerating
that
or
sort
of
like
paying
our
debt
off
as
humans
by
getting
trying
to
get
back
into
balance
and,
ideally,
maybe
even
sort
of
like
a
net
positive
like
paying
it
forward
to
ecosystems,
to
repair
and
regenerate
those
ecosystems.
So,
just
like
that's
my
high
level
framing
of
what's
going
on.
K
Of
course,
the
most
common
classes
of
Eco
credits
that
are
talked
about
these
days
are
carbon
credits
right
because
there's
so
much
we're
talking
about
cop
right
now
and
there's
so
much
attention
and
awareness.
That's
growing
around
atmospheric
carbon
imbalances
caused
by
fossil
fuels
being
used
to
drive
our
global
economy.
So
that's
a
giant
ecological
debt.
It's
pretty
clear,
there's
emerging
scientific
consensus
about
that
and,
and
people
are
like
actively
working
to
internalize
that
and
there's
an
existing
concept
of
carbon
credits,
I
think
there's
also
emerging.
K
Understanding
of
you
know
other
impacts
that
that
that
the
human
economy,
that
businesses
have
whether
that's
biodiversity,
water
impacts
and
sort
of
this
I
think
urge
to
start
taking
more
active
stewardship.
K
K
I
want
to
be
clear
that
that's
you
know
that
is
one
Paradigm
to
think
about
this,
but
it's
not
the
one
that
I
kind
of
use
most
often
most
often
I'm,
thinking
about
just
like
how
do
we
symbolize
regeneration
as
a
civilization
and
align
around
that
that
that's
what
we
really
want
and
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
other
cool,
maybe
just
more
deeply
intrinsic
ways
of
linking
Eco
credits
into
other
cool
forms
of
value,
and
you
know,
that's
a
whole
I
think
you
know
sort
of
the
wild
west
of
refi.
K
You
know
just
to
continue
grounding
this
one
layer
deeper
before
I,
pause
and
and
pass
it
back
to
the
group.
It
just
I
think
you
know,
and
maybe
re-weave
it
into
the
cop
context.
K
I
I
really
firmly
believe
that
if
we're
only
paying
attention
to
carbon
we're
losing
the
script
pretty
significantly
and
that
you
know
and
that's
why
we've
used
the
term
Eco
credits
instead
of
just
carbon
credits,
all
along
the
the
healthy
living
systems
is
storing
or
sequestering
carbon
into
a
biodiverse
matrix
of
life
does
so
much
more
than
just
balance
the
atmosphere
it
it.
It
is
really
you
know
like
it's:
it's
our
biosphere
requires
this
cycle
of
Life,
beginning
life
and
to
the
degree
to
which
we're
just
getting
car
carbon
tunnel
vision.
K
It
may
actually
end
up
being
destructive
and
so
I'm
really
excited
actually
looking
Beyond
cop
for
carbon,
whatever
it
is,
is
it
cop
27
right
now
I
think
be
looking
Beyond
cop
27
I'm,
actually
in
a
lot
of
ways
more
excited
and
and
not
on
the
fence
at
all
about
cop
15,
which
is
the
biodiversity
cop
and
starting
to
lean
into
the
institutional
awareness
of
the
importance
of
biodiversity,
because
if
we
repair
watersheds
right,
if
we
repair
the
healthy
living
systems
and
the
biodiverse
Matrix
of
life,
we
get
carbon
as
a
bonus.
K
Basically,
from
my
perspective,
so
that's
I'm
super
excited
about
all
the
classes
of
Eco
credits
that
are
emerging
in
the
region.
Network
ecosystem
around
biodiversity,
whether
that
whether
they're
using
keystone
species
as
a
proxy
or
acoustic
monitoring-
or
you
know,
there's
it's-
it's
very
there's
a
lot
there.
It's
a
it's
a
pretty
emergent
and
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
Innovation
there
in
terms
of
conceptualizing.
What
a
biodiversity
Eco
credit
is,
but
cool,
I'm,
gonna
I'm
going
to
pause
there
and
pass
it
back
over.
J
Yes,
thanks
for
inviting
me
up,
I've
been
attending
a
lot
of
online
meetings
over
the
last
bunch
of
years,
and
one
thing
I
find
in
common
is
that
they'll
constantly
talk
about
how
they're
being
inclusive
in
who
they're
inviting
up
to
a
lot
of
these
events
or
on
the
panels
or
to
speak,
and
then
I
bring
up
the
point
that
how
come
in
the
regenerative
agriculture
community,
those
that
we
consider
the
leading
Farmers
around
the
world
or
the
leading
researchers
for
scientists
that
work
directly
with
farmers?
J
J
In
fact,
it
was
kind
of
depressing
a
couple
weeks
ago
when
it
was
announced
that
Coca-Cola
was
going
to
be
one
of
the
major
sponsors
of
cop27
and
yet
they're
one
of
the
biggest
polluters.
And
you
know
it's
not
what
I
would
consider
a
real
regenerative
food
products
that
they
offer
either
so
I
mean
I
sort
of
agree
with
Gregory,
certainly
on
eco
credits,
and
you
know
whether
or
not
you
can
really
get
enough
accomplished
in
attending
now.
J
What
I
found
is
when
you
do
attend
these
things
and
you're
able
to
speak
lowest
if
you're,
not
on
stage
it's
limited,
I
mean
trying
to
find
people
out
in
the
crowds,
are
difficult,
they're
really
interested
in
what
we're
doing,
and
so
it
gets
tough,
but
there
are
certainly
going
to
be
people
there.
That
you
know
are
thinking
differently,
even
if
they're
working
for
a
NGO
or
a
corporation
that
isn't
maybe
doing
the
right
thing,
you
will
get
caught,
people
do
get
contacted
later
and
say
hey.
J
Would
you
like
to
really
talk
about
this
because
I'm
really
interested
in
other
approaches,
but
I'm,
not
sure
that
you
know
it
really
when
you
consider,
as
Gregory
said,
you
know
the
flight,
the
everything
and
you
know
whether
being
there
is
promoting,
what
it's
you
know,
Drive
is
which
is
really
not
not
doing.
What
I
think
we
need
to
accomplish?
So
it's
a
tough
situation
in
the
U.S
delegation.
J
Now
I
guess
has
been
pretty
much
taken
over
with
aim
for
C
the
agricultural
Innovation
mission
for
climate,
which
was
an
initiative
started
basically
by
Bill
Gates,
and
it
was
launched
at
last
year's
cop
and
this
year,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
usda's
sort
of
lead
representation,
so
that's
not
very
encouraging
either
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
B
And
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
chiming
in
you're
right,
sorry,
I
lost
I
lost
some
power
there,
so
I
went
off,
but
it's
interesting
to
hear
what
you
just
said:
Farmers
never
have
a
seat
at
the
table
and
I
mean
if,
if
climate
change
is
going
to
affect
anyone,
it's
you
guys
so
I
see
a
lot
of
people
here
who
still
want
to
speak
and
we
got
such
limited
time.
So
how
about
we
get
the
pollinators
in
the
room?
Jimmy
James,
one
of
you.
What
do
you
want
to
tell
us?
G
I'm,
actually
more
excited
about
you
guys
than
the
policy
makers.
I
have
more
faith
in
the
general
population
and
your
guys's
efforts
than
I
do
in
our
leaders,
who
are
being
sponsored
by
Coca-Cola
and
still
subsidizing
fossil
fuels.
I,
don't
imagine
you
guys
are
going
to
be
printing
money
to
give
to
Big
Oil,
which
means
some
more
Pro
this
than
what
they're
going
to
end
up
doing
in
the
end.
B
L
I,
like
James
mistake,
but
well
I'd,
say
you
know,
Embrace
technology,
you
know,
keep
an
open
mind
about
how
it
can
be
leveraged
to
to
make
a
positive
impact
to
scale
some
of
the
amazing
existing
impactful
Solutions.
You
know,
we've
seen
both
Vera
and
gold
standard.
Do
some
pretty
extensive
kind
of
reviews
into
it.
L
It's
kind
of
still
not
totally
clear
how
open
their
minds
are
to
tokenization
things
of
that
nature,
but
but
I
think
the
policy
makers
kind
of
step
in
and
embrace
technology
and
try
to
support
this
Innovative
ecosystem.
That
is
trying
to
solve
climate
change
in
a
scalable
way.
Then
I
think
that
then
that'll
kind
of
trickle
down
and
we'll
see
a
lot
more
support
for
this
regen
movement
and
ultimately
that'll
be
the
solution.
L
B
Thank
you
Jimmy
and
keep
planting
those
mangroves
Jimmy's
in
watamu
and
kilifi,
and
we're
going
to
meet
up
tomorrow.
So
thanks,
Jimmy,
I'm
curious
to
hear
from
Lillian
Lillian's,
one
of
our
land,
stewards
and
part
of
our
region.
Network
and
I'm
really
curious
Lillian.
If
you
have
something
to
say,
I
know
you'd
be
joining
virtually,
but
if
you
had
the
stage
in
front
of
all
of
these
policy
makers,
what
was
the
message
that
you'd
want
to
send
out
to
them?.
M
So,
oh,
my
goodness,
I
would
love
to
have
this
stage
in
front
of
all
those
people.
To
be
honest,
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
would
be
that,
apart
that
it's
a
complex
topic,
I
would
like
to
see
a
lot
of
effort
being
focused
on
empowering
communities
and
not
only
empowering
from
the
aspect
of
Technology,
but
also
with
regards
to
human
and
social
capacities.
M
How
do
we
Empower
individuals
and
within
the
communities
to
have
sovereignty
in
what
it
is
they
need
and
what
it
is
they
need
from
us
on
the
outside,
because
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
have
a
combination
of
expertise
both
from
the
wisdom
Keepers
and
from
those
who
need
to
learn
and
at
the
same
time
have
something
to
offer.
So
I
would
like
to
see
how
much
more
of
that
cross-pollination
or
intergenerational
or
Intercultural,
learning
and
exchange.
Can
we
do
now?
It's
not
about
Solutions
Solutions.
M
M
B
I
see
Kennedy
in
the
in
the
crowd.
Kennedy
is
building
on
region
network
from
shamba,
Network
Kennedy.
B
Why
don't
you
request
to
to
speak
and
tell
us
about
some
of
the
amazing
work
you're
doing
in
Kenya
and
tell
us
as
a
Kenyan
who
is
in
Africa
and
and
is,
is
required
to
to
get
a
Visa,
which
is
a
very
arduous
process?
I'll
tell
you
that
I've
been
going
through
it
please
I
I
just
need
to
understand
like
how
they
expect
us
to
have
our
African
voices
there.
B
If,
if
the
process
itself
is
just
so
exclusive,
it's
so
difficult
even
to
get
a
stand,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
can
give
Kennedy
the
the
mic
to
speak,
but
I
can
tell
you.
Representation
at
this
conference
is
is
not
as
broad
as
it
may
seem,
and
with
Africa
being
as
big
as
it
is.
Also
financially,
a
lot
of
climate
activists
won't
be
able
to
make
it
a
lot
of
ngos
that
are
actually
doing
amazing.
B
Work
will
not
be
able
to
make
it
and
from
what
I've
heard
actually
from
Nena,
whose
partner
is
in
Egypt
is
that
even
the
local
Egyptian
ngos
themselves
won't
so
I
like
what
you
said,
Gregory
and
I
like
what
you
said,
James
that
you
know,
maybe
yes
as
much
as
we
need
to
you
know
talk
about
cop.
Maybe
we
shouldn't
just
rely
on
them
as
well.
B
Yes,
the
policies
will
be
made,
but
the
action
must
continue
from
us
from
a
Grassroots
level
from
the
private
sector,
because
that's
what's
going
to
lead
this
Innovation
and
bringing
back
to
what
I
said
before
industrialization
clean
industrialization.
This
is
all
market-led,
and
this
is
all
privately
led
by
Industries
like
us.
So
don't
lose
the
faith
and
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
else
wants
to
go.
We
haven't
heard
from
you
Ned.
Maybe
you
want
to
say
something.
C
M
C
Is
this
this
organization
or
it's
I?
Guess
it's
more
of
an
initiative
right
now
called
Beyond,
Bretton
Woods
and
if
folks
know
what
Bretton
Woods
what
is?
It
was
a
conference
that
was
held
back
in
1944
after
World
War
II
and
it
was
attended
by
44
different
countries
and
they
basically
set
up
the
current
international
monetary
system.
You
know
they
created
the
World
Bank,
the
international
monetary
fund
and
there's
an
initiative
called
Beyond,
Bretton
Woods
now
and
they're.
C
You
know,
they've
got
actually
heads
of
state
involved,
so
this
is
really
getting
some
momentum
and
they
they're
talking
about
you,
know
some
sort
of
climate
currency
and
I
and
I
would
put
you
know
kind
of
with
Gregory,
where
I
would
probably
push
for
something
more
like
an
ecosystem
back
currency
or
something
like
that.
C
But
it's
you
know,
they're
thinking
about
this
stuff
and
they're,
looking
at
things
in
a
very
holistic
view,
they're
looking
at
you
know,
climate
change,
looking
at
the
biodiversity
crisis
and
looking
at
the
social
crisis
all
around
the
world
and
they're
from
what
I
gather
their
mindset
is
that
you
know
the
initial.
The
initial
Bretton
Woods
Conference
was
held
to
repair
the
world
after
World
War
II,
because
it
was,
it
was
kind
of
a
shambles
it.
But
now
we've
got
another.
G
C
Know
we've
got
this
is
another
emergency
that
we
have
to
take
care
of,
and
it's
not
a
single
thing.
It's
not
just
like.
We
had
a
war,
let's
fix
it
up,
you
know
it's
got.
He
calls
it
a
mult,
an
eight-headed
Beast
or
something
like
that.
The
guy!
That's
that's
kind
of
spearheading
this.
You
know
and
that's
the
heads
are
the
climate
change
all
these
issues,
because
it
is
something
that's
critical.
We
need
to
have
the
internet
at
the
table.
C
To
do
this,
we're
I
mean
we're
these
Grassroots
efforts
are
important
and
it's
you
know
we
got
to
keep
these
things
going,
but
unless
we
can
get
some,
you
know
kind
of
the
International
Community
involved
in
this
stuff
and
get
you
know,
countries
backing
it
at
a
big
time.
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
harder
for
us
to
to
do
what
we
want
to
do
so
anyway.
C
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
this
idea
of
Beyond
Britain
because
they
will
be
at
cop
27
and
they
were
their
first
presentation,
the
previous,
the
cop
26.
and
it's
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
You
know
get
a
voice
at
that
table
and
what
this
is
kind
of
a
goofy
idea.
I
had
the
other
day
is.
It
would
be
kind
of
neat
to
have.
C
B
K
Want
to
chime
in
on
on
the
back
of
that
very
briefly,
just
to
say
that
our
colleagues
at
open,
Earth
Foundation,
along
with
some
contribution
from
me,
just
published
a
white
paper
on
nature-backed
currencies
and
and
Eco
credits
being
designed
by
a
collaboration
between
region
and
open
Earth,
are
part
of
the
foundational
building
blocks
for
the
approach
of
these
new
nature-based
currencies
and
there's.
K
There
are
sort
of
smaller
Pilots
being
discussed
in
Costa,
Rica
and
Ecuador
and
other
places,
and
actually
there
is
a
panel
that
is
taking
place
that
open
Earth
foundation
with
the
UN
Innovation
Hub
is
hosting
around
these
nature-based
currencies.
K
I
was
invited
to
speak
on
it
I,
don't
think
I'm
going
right,
but
but
there's
a
conversation
and
we're
in
it.
K
You
know
that
this
community
is
in
it
I'm
sort
of
the
proxy
there,
but
I
think
you
know,
I
would
encourage
I
would
definitely
Rave
I'll,
definitely
connect
you
and
and
anyone
else,
but
you
should
be
jamming
with
Martine
while
you're
there,
and
there
are
these
little
Windows
into
these
Mega
institutions
and
which
people
are
hungry
for
for
these
stories
and
ideas
and
and
ways
of
engaging
that
that
we're
pioneering
together
so
a
little
a
little
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
there
to
end
out
the
end
of
the
conversation.
B
There's
a
lot
of
light
honestly,
I'm
feeling
so
hopeful
from
everyone.
After
this
conversation,
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
action
coming
from
a
lot
of
people
and
we
can't
lose
hope
because
we
are
our
only
hope.
Thank
you
so
much
for
everyone
who
spoke
for
those
of
you
who
still
have
something
to
say.
Please
go
into
our
Twitter
and
you
can
add
me:
you
can
read
a
network
and
region
Foundation,
please
chime
in.
B
We
will
take
your
voices
as
much
as
we
can
to
the
people
who
matter
I
think
we
should
even
write
a
report
after
as
to
what
we
saw
and
what
happened
and
what
we
can
achieve
we'll
go
farther
together.
If
we
all
work
towards
this
and
I'm
really
happy
I'm,
really
grateful.
Thank
you
so
much
everyone
and
have
a
good.