Rust Programming Language Core Team, 18 Jun 2020

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Core Team Meeting 2020-06-18

A

All right welcome to the June 18th core team meeting and the first item on the agenda is legal issue: discussion the rusty licensing guidelines- Florian's. Not here does anyone else know anything about that? No okay, we might come back to it if Florian joins Nico, non-commercial forum terms,.

B

We're in the last rounds of iteration I was supposed to have a quick call, but it didn't happen.

B

We're basically just discussing whether to some minor details.

A

Okay, next is white papers such as Florian, and next is the target tier policy RFC Nico.

B

No major updates, but um we did we're looking to move on a related note, risk B and the Lumos to tier 2. Infra team has approved it in the compiler team in the process of doing so and I'll circle back with Josh. After that, and then try to revamp the RFC I think we've kind of worked out some of the nitty-gritty questions of like okay. We said we wanted to approve it, but what does that actually mean? So now we can revise the text the RFC to work like them.

A

Okay, next is rethinking working groups. Anything there.

B

No, there was a meeting.

A

Okay, and do we want past members of working groups, we considered alumni ipho.

C

Okay, this is a question that came up to me as, as we we're making a change to the team repository, it actually came in interactive because there's a bad are still present in all at which they shouldn't be so I'm going to need to fix that I've entered him but like they moved some members of the working group dollar to alumni, which includes their last day, alumni page on the website and I was wondering if we want even working group members to be recognized. They're adjusting members.

B

A

Ashley, muted.

D

I'm, the worst sorry I guess what I was gonna say is I feel like the point right above this point would probably give us a lot of clarity on this one I.

D

Perhaps I am wrong, but do we even have a list of everybody who's? A member of a working group in the team depository like.

C

Is that ensive.

D

C

Depends on the working group, that's anima, which only leader and some data and like I, filled out. Well, there are some working groups like embedded in which you will actually make sense because, like embedded is most a team, but there are other working groups where people just signing us do some work and then fade out and like there I'm, not sure. If it's like.

D

Yeah there's a category error here around the term working group.

D

E

Just not putting people in their long line lists right like, for example, for the triage working through these days. We usually when people say they don't want to be part of it anymore. We don't move them till um night. We just delete them, but just yeah potentially like not the thing to do, but is what we do currently.

D

Yeah I think we can do it informally, but I don't know if there's a tracking dock Nico for the working group discussion. But maybe we want to add something there about like I. Don't know, I think that this reveals, like that, there's just two different types of thing:.

B

Yeah we're definitely aware of this levels and that's been a theme. I think we've been trying to move yeah. Okay, there's really like three things: what it is, there's like the domain working groups there and then there's sort of project, oriented groups that are working around a specific goal and there's stuff like triage or other stuff, that's kind of indefinite. But what somehow is so? People are on a specific task that never ends and I.

B

Don't know that we have come up with a term for what that third thing would be um yeah I, don't know, I'm, not sure. As far as the other question goes, that it doesn't seem a lot of harm like it's recognized people put in time, even if it was only for a while I mean.

D

The trick with dessert is that the amount of reward you give people who did a lot. If you give them the same as the people who did something kind of one-off, then it feels different and I guess I.

B

Don't really add people to the usually to the group until they landed like several PRS for.

F

B

um Which isn't necessarily a huge amount, but it's like a certain amount of commitment, not just your first yeah.

D

I think a lot of working groups have like what I would call vaguely like just open membership, where, just like you go I'm a member of the Russell as I'm working group. Now, and then you just are so I think like this is why I brought it back to the categories, because I think how people get at it is different.

D

So, like I didn't, the solution is just to like make make the judgment as one offs every time until we formalize.

C

Stuff yeah I was thinking on what Mark said, he's actually probably the best social so like theythey need he like it. The working group lead that actually knows how much that person has work done on the work event and all myself they have done for the project. So.

B

I'm not sure how much of a reward being listed on the Alumni pages.

A

What if we just got rid of alumni.

C

So, for that, like we actually like, it will take like me and Aaron actually implemented another finger on the website, which is per team alumni. So right now you can say: okay, Alex is an alumni of the core team and so in the core team at the bottom. These are lesson for emphasize the version of the day members list which lists alumni and so like that, like the problem with that is that we need to back fill every alum every want alumni for every team, which is something that is going to be I. Think.

F

We can do this for, like all the people who are all in the alumni list and not bother about everything else, but we can do that slowly.

D

Building content in like architecture and like people who retire from one team but stay on others were like just busted the whole structure. We had I.

G

Am I am warming to the idea of just eliminating alumni entirely so.

C

Like for context, electric current alumni, the old system is these, so it's just a big list of everyone and then I think it's a operate. Some like here from central like there's their list team and then there's a little little section with sleeve, which is supposedly stole alumni, and this is the new model that meandering try to work towards yeah.

F

I think that's good idea. I think alumni is nice to have so we should maybe not do the.

D

Tricky thing is, as we grow it if there's like, there is a time where we will not be able to do that anymore, or it will be that the amount of time to maintain it will be extremely long.

F

I mean as we grow it's a single repo, so whenever someone's removed, you can instead say don't remove them, move them to the Alumni key. Oh I'm, just saying, like eventually.

D

Like we're, gonna have tons of alumni and it's going total more and more people on the team and it's gonna make the page. Look absurd that that's that's when you have a little collapsing thing like I think this is a solvable problem, yeah, yeah, I, guess I'm, just saying like we should think about why we want alumni and if it is still serving that purpose and if the effort of doing this is worth the value that we are getting, that I mean.

C

Like if like it is safe, we are like Alex like Alex 20 years from now. He wants to go to an employer and they won't say: oh I contribute a lot to the earth community. That's actually proof that.

A

Be in the business of verifying.

D

And if we do everything on github, we have conversations on github like for folks who are doing that. There should be like artifacts that exist outside of the governance authority.

B

It just feels like useful information to me. I, don't know.

G

Like it's just sorry, Isis I just think it's just a nice thing to do, and it's very low effort, even if we're talking about these things were doing, which are higher effort. Still not a lot and I think it is nice to.

G

This way, just to kind of like say thank you to people and make them feel a bit better when they're leaving, which is you know more a great time, sometimes like I.

D

Definitely agree, I think that's the best value like I, think being able to head like have the alumni thing means that people find it like a little easier to say, like I, really don't have time to do this anymore, which I think is really positive. I just wanted us to ask the question and like we should probably check in on that yeah.

A

I think we should table this check in on next week. Everyone kind of think about it, think about how you feel and we so we won't make any decisions today, we'll discuss it again next week, I'm just.

E

Mogi anyone.

A

Have anything else for the public part of the meeting.

A

Okay, I'm gonna switch today.