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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session 2/20/18
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A
A
For
council
members,
almost
we
only
have
four
for
the
next
while
so
this
is
a
quorum
and
we're
gonna
start
our
meeting.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us.
The
lively
but
small
crowd.
We're
gonna
start
with
our
first
work
session
item
the
informational
economic
development,
strategic
plan,
Allyson
Rowland
from
counsel
office
staff,
Laura
Fritz,
our
director
of
economic
development,
Ben.
B
C
I'll,
just
let
you
know
that
this
is
an
informational
briefing
for
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
that
the
Department
of
Economic
Development
has
put
together.
It
was
something
that
the
strategic
plan
was
something
that
the
council
was
interested
in
and
that
the
council
indicated
as
part
of
it
as
one
of
its
priorities.
During
the
time
it
was
doing
its
economic
development
priority
for
several
years.
So
this
is
it
and
we
have
all
that
members
of
the
administration
introduce
themselves.
Thank.
D
You-
and
we
really
appreciate
you
guys,
setting
aside
some
time
to
hear
about
what
we've
put
together.
We
know
you
guys
have
some
busy
schedules
so
the
time
really,
the
team
really
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
this
strategic
plan,
and
so
we're
gonna
walk
you
through
a
little
bit
of
what
we
did
to
put
this
together,
as
well
as
some
of
the
things
that
came
out
on
the
other
side.
D
So
we
one
of
our
first
things
that
we
started
out
doing
with
this
plan
was
to
recognize
that
go
through
the
work
that
had
been
done
previously
and
align
that
with
what
we
were
doing
and
what
we
found
was
most
of
the
stuff
had
been
addressed
over
the
past
year
in
the
creation
of
the
department,
and
so
we
we
recognized
that
there
was
new.
You
know
we
would
be
looking
at
a
lot
of
new
initiatives
compared
to
what
would
had
been
done
previously.
D
This
is
what
we
think
is
a
good
idea
and
just
start
implementing,
so
we
wanted
to
do
basically
a
listening
phase
of
our
department,
where
we
really
got
out
into
the
community
and
we
spent
for
how
we
did
400
or
242
site
visits
in
our
first
year,
and
we
also
did
a
survey
from
EDC
they
partnered
with
us
to
do
a
quantitative
survey
where
we
went
out
and
asked
the
business
community.
What
do
you
guys
think?
What
what
are
your
largest
barriers
to
growth
and
and
really
got
some
great
feedback
from
that
and
as
well?
D
We
did
a
hundred
visits
specifically
to
follow
up
on
the
quantitative
survey
that
we
did
to
to
get
a
more
in-depth
understanding
of
what
the
challenge
knew
their
challenges
for
businesses
were,
so
we
did
a
lot
of
work
before
we
even
started
putting
pen
to
paper
paper
on
the
strategic
plan
to
just
understand.
What's
the
atmosphere
out
there,
what
is
the
community
say?
We
should
be
focusing
on
what
are
they?
What
are
they
thinking?
What
are
their
challenges
where
they
see
opportunity?
D
So
we
just
also
provided
a
slide
for
awareness
on
some
of
the
stakeholders
we
engaged
and
another
part
after
we
did
our
real
listening
phase
after
we
started
the
process
for
the
strategic
plan.
We
did
a
lot
of
roundtables
with
that
were
sector
focused,
so
either
Workforce
Development
international
focus
as
well,
and
so
we
did
ten
roundtables
with
the
community,
and
these
are
some
of
the
names
that
were
that
we
hosted
roundtables
with
so.
D
So
just
for
reference
as
well
in
the
department,
we
have
the
three
divisions
which
are
all
familiar
with:
the
RDA,
the
Arts
Council
and
the
business
development
team,
and
each
one
of
us
has
different
clients
that
we
focus
on
with
the
business
development
team.
We
focus
primarily
on
businesses,
so
those
could
be
local
businesses,
it
could
be
out
of
market
businesses
and
really
asking
the
question
on
how
do
we
serve
those
businesses
with
the
RDA?
D
Mainly
the
main
focus
is
developers
and
the
Arts
Council
is
a
creatives
community,
and
this
is
all
really
tied
back
into.
How
do
we
benefit
the
city
as
a
whole,
but
these
are
primary
clients
and
when
we
were
all
collaborating
on,
you
know
we
received
a
lot
of
feedback.
We
know
what
the
vision
is
for
the
city
in
large
part,
but
we
wanted
to
communicate
this
into
a
vision
for
the
department,
and
so
that's
illustrated
there
on
your
right.
You
know
we
we
build
Salt
Lake
City
is
a
vibrant,
beautiful,
prosperous
and
diverse
authentic
place.
D
D
Though,
out
of
our
session,
we
really
got
to
summarize
the
four
strategic
goals
that
we
had
as
outputs.
You
know
we
want
to
be
competitive
and
grow
sustainably.
First
and
foremost,
we
also
want
to
call
to
cultivate
vibrancy.
We
have
some
great
tools
with
the
RDA
and
the
Arts
Council.
To
do
that,
we
want
to
be
leaders
in
economic
development
for
the
community
and
in
the
past
this
was
a
gap
that
Salt
Lake
City
had,
and
we
also
want
to
be
put
on
the
map
globally.
D
What
are
you
gonna
do
and
so
we've
we've
built
in
a
framework
into
how
we
operate
as
a
department
to
say.
Okay,
we
have
these
four
goals
that
we're
gonna
try
and
do.
How
do
we
do
it?
Well,
every
year
we
have
a
work
planning
session
where
we
get
the
team
together
and
and
think
about
the
big
picture
things
we
need
to
accomplish
for
the
next
year
and
how
it
aligns
with
our
goals
and
when
we
do
our
work
planning.
D
The
work
plan
itself
is
structured,
the
same
way
as
our
strategic
plans,
so
big
four
objectives,
and
then
that
rolls
back
into
secondary
objectives
and
priorities
for
the
department
to
focus
on
and
the
work
plan
is
structured
just
in
that.
So
when
we
come
up
with
these
things
and
fill
them
in,
we
also
see
you
know:
oh
well,
we
kind
of
have
a
gap
in
this
priority
that
we've
set
as
a
department.
How
do
we?
How
should
we
be
considering
you
know,
taking
that
on
or
making
sure
that
we're
doing
that
work?
This.
B
C
D
So
you
know
after
we
develop
our
work
plan.
Like
largest
mint
mentioned,
you
know,
we've
shared
our
work
plan
that
we've
been
working
on
this
year
so
far,
but
some
of
the
big
accomplishments
and
how
that
really
rolls
out
into
into
the
goals
goal
one
position:
Salt
Lake
City,
to
compete
against
like
cities
and
capturing
opportunities
for
all
residents,
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done
this
year
as
a
department
just
to
highlight
that
the
framing
assistant
pilot
program
that
we've
worked
to
help
employ
some
of
the
people
who
were
homeless.
D
You
know
another
another
example,
just
as
a
case
study
in
recruiting
in
Amazon,
which
has
a
low
barrier
of
entry
for
jobs,
but
they're
well-paying
jobs,
comparatively
speaking
for
the
barrier
to
entry
it
takes
to
get
in
there.
We
had
a
constituent
or
yeah
constituent,
write
us
and
talk
about
her
experience
in
US,
recruiting
Amazon.
Her
husband's
employer
actually
raised
his
salary
by
two
dollars
an
hour
because
of
the
recruitment
of
Amazon.
D
So
that's
that's
how
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
impacting
the
community,
and
you
know
just
some
of
the
numbers
as
well.
In
terms
of
our
FY
1617
numbers,
we
we
recruited
over
our
recruitment
impact
at
over
six
supported
the
recruitment
of
6,000
plus
jobs,
and
those
jobs
were
well-paying
jobs.
The
salaries
were
over
66
thousand
dollars
each
and
the
total
impact
of
those
jobs,
including
indirect
and
induced,
was
over
482
million.
D
So
gold
to
which
is
cultivate
vibrancy
throughout
Salt
Lake
City
by
enhancing
the
arts,
commercial
districts
and
housing
opportunities.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
things
that
we've
worked
on
this
year,
which
impact
this
goal
is
so
the
public-private
partnership
with
Twilight,
that's
been
done
or
the
private
private
partnership,
I
should
say,
but
the
the
city
had
a
role
in
helping
to
orchestrate
orchestrate
that
also
the
Main
Street
America
program,
which
ocation
I
believe
we're
familiar
with,
and
we
we
also
have
a
plan
to
do
a
lot
more
work
in
this
realm.
D
Goal
3,
which
is
secure,
Salt
Lake
City,
is
a
global,
vital
and
innovative
community.
Some
of
the
work
that
we've
done
that
highlights
that
this
year
is
the
Foreign
Trade
Zone.
So
this
this
is
an
initiative.
That's
been
a
bit
stagnant
in
the
city
for
almost
10
years,
since
the
Department
of
Commerce
updated
the
framework.
D
So
this
was
a
huge
win
for
the
city
as
we
transition
into
the
new
framework
for
the
Foreign
Trade
Zone,
which
is
going
to
create
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
the
residents
here
in
terms
of
jobs
and
capital
investment
into
the
city.
We've
also
been,
you
know,
with
our
marketing
manager.
Annie
Davis
she's
been
fantastic
at
the
work
that
she's
done
in
highlighting
the
department.
We
have
a
weekly
ABC
four
segment,
which
we
get
up
at
6
a.m.
every
every
Thursday.
D
Somebody
from
the
department
is
up
there
talking
about
the
great
work
that
we're
doing
so
and
and
then
just
some
of
the
big
wins,
such
as
Amazon
and
Sadler.
That
really
puts
Salt
Lake
City
on
the
map.
For
the
you
know
the
economy
here
and
how,
how
lucrative
it
can
be
for
businesses
outside
of
the
market
so
and
finally
go
for
is
position
the
department
as
an
authority
on
economic
development
opportunities
in
Salt,
Lake
City.
Some
of
the
things
that
have
been
done
this
year
to
highlight
that
are
the
it's.
D
The
the
progress
on
the
northwest
quadrant,
as
well
as
our
outreach
into
the
community.
Some
of
the
site
visits
that
we've
done
to
make
businesses
aware
that
we
exist
is
the
department
we
have
services
and
products
that
can
help
them
and
also
we're
working
on
enhancing
our
collaboration
between
the
divisions
and
as
we
go
on
as
a
department.
That's
only
going
to
get
stronger
and
we've
already
been
finding
some
innovative
ideas.
You
know
which
I'm
sure
we'll
be
talking
about
in
the
near
future.
D
That
can
help
support
that
so
and
finally,
just
looking
forward
I
mean
we
we're
working
as
a
department
right
now
and
our
rhythm
as
the
budgets
coming
up.
Our
FY
19
work
plan
and
you
know
framing
again
through
the
same
process,
walking
backwards
through
the
strategic
plan
and
our
work
plan
filling
in
those
items
so
we're
in
that
process.
Now
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
identified
is
you
know
we
do
have
limited
resources
but
we're
comfortable
with
the
amount
of
resources
we
have
at
this
point.
D
Nothing
to
do
with
what
what
the
staffing
the
staffing
documents
say
right
so,
but
we've
we've
realized
that
that
we
need
to
prioritize
those
goals
which
overlap
the
actions
in
our
work
plan,
which
overlap
the
most
with
the
goals
and
make
the
biggest
impact
for
the
community.
So
I
know
the
questions
been
raised
about
resources
and
that's
the
way
that
we
do.
It
is
to
say.
Well,
you
know
we
need
to
focus
on
the
biggest
and
best
returns
for
the
city,
for
our
staff
and.
D
D
But
that's
mainly
our
focus,
as
the
department
is
talking
more
programmatic
than
on
the
staffing
side
for
future
requests,
and
just
another
thing
is
well:
we
we
created
a
dashboard
with
metrics
on
it,
and
you
know
it
had
a
slideshow
presentation
that
we
had
put
together,
but
really
the
way
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
presenting
these
metrics
is
more
less
static
and
more
fluid.
So
on
our
website,
when
that's
launched
in
March,
we
hope
to
have
some
data
stories
that
highlight
that
information
and
bring
it
to
life.
D
A
C
F
D
So
one
of
the
things
with
salt
lake
city
is
and
Lauren
I
just
recently
had
this
discussion
is,
you
know,
sometimes
there's
an
effort
to
rebrand
Salt
Lake
City
is
something
it's
not.
We
have
a
community
here
in
a
population
that
sometimes
we
try
to
pretend
doesn't
exist
and
we
mark
it
to
different
areas
but
being
authentic
and
marketing
to
some
of
the
strengths
that
we
have
because
of
the
the
Mormon
community,
for
example,
we're
a
very
international
City
compared
to
similar
sized
cities
and
other
markets
and
really
branding
ourselves.
D
As
that
and
focusing
on
those
strengths,
are
you
know
some
of
the
focuses
that
we're
doing
so?
One
of
the
examples
that
is
strategic
in
that
is
the
Foreign
Trade
Zone
right.
We
have
so
many
great
international
connections
and
that's
a
huge
value,
add
marketing
that
to
some
of
the
companies
that
exist
here
that
are
international
because
of
the
because
of
those
connections.
A
I
make
a
comment
on
that
one
when
the
Amazon
bids
were
happening
all
over
the
country
and
the
Pittsburgh
pitch
video
went
viral
okay,
it
went
viral
among
council
members
I'm,
not
sure.
If
all
of
you
there
did.
You
see
that
video
that
they
did
about
their
economy.
It's
okay,
I'm
sending
it
to
you,
but
it
is,
it
doesn't
say
Amazon.
It
doesn't
say
anything
like
that,
but
it's
part
of
their.
It
was
I,
understand
that
momentum,
but
it's
used
it
can
be
used
in
any
way,
but.
B
A
A
beautiful
tribute
to
the
city
and
what
they've
overcome
and
who
they
are
today
and
what
their
values
and
priorities
are,
and
it
left
me
wanting
for
that
kind
of
a
morsel
of
this
is
who
Salt
Lake
City
is.
This
is
who
our
people
are.
This
is
what
where
we
came
from.
This
is
where
want
to
go.
This
is
what
our
values
are.
It
sounds
not
like
a
council
item,
except
that
you
might
want
money
someday
to
do
something
like
that,
but
I'll
send
you
a
video
yeah.
That
would
be
great.
D
B
We
also
know
that
our
marketing
budget
is
fairly
modest,
so
to
fully
rebrand
is
difficult,
but
this
is
where
our
partnerships
can
be
very
meaningful.
So
we've
been
partnering
with
visit,
Salt
Lake,
for
example,
on
their
branding
program
and
ideally,
if
we
can
all
utilize
the
same
brand
in
the
same
messaging,
we
can
maximize
our
limited
resources
and
a
much
more
meaningful
and
impactful
way.
F
Under
goal
two,
you
have
utilized
the
arts
as
a
means
to
support
economic
development,
which
is
something
I'm
really
interested
in.
Can
you
flesh
that
out
a
little
bit
more
I.
D
Can
take
that
one
we
actually,
so
when
we
did
our
quantitative
survey
we
had
over
800
businesses
respond
on.
You
know
what
are
your
biggest
barriers
to
growth
and
what
keeps
you
in
Salt
Lake
City,
as
opposed
to
expanding
in
a
place
like
Denver,
and
this
was
actually
one
of
the
more
insightful
and
surprising
things
that
we
got
back
from
the
survey.
But
the
number
one
thing
businesses
consider
whether
on
whether
they
stay
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City
or
they
go
somewhere
else
or
expand
somewhere
else.
D
Is
the
arts
and
entertainment
culture
here
and
so
we've
been.
This
has
really
informed
us
on
the
strategic
importance
of
having
the
Arts
Council
within
the
department
and
has
made
for
some
interesting.
You
know
like,
for
example,
engaging
the
private
sector
with
Twilight
a
little
bit.
More
makes
a
lot
more
sense
to
keep
that
going.
The
way
it
is
and
in
enhancing
the
arts
in
the
city
makes
a
lot
of
sense
economically
as
well.
D
D
We
we
actually
worked
quite
closely
together,
she's
the
mayor's
advisor,
and
so
you
know
represents
the
mayor
on
the
arts
and
culture,
and
so
when
we
go
through
an
objective,
we're
obviously
coordinating
quite
closely
with
Lea,
but
the
Arts
Council
has
a
mainly
a
programmatic
role
in
public
art
right
now,
but
Lea's
great
at
getting
feedback
from
some
stakeholders.
That
would
normally
speak
to
the
mayor.
If
mayor
had
time,
for
example,
and
things
of
that
nature,
so
yeah.
G
D
H
But
the
other
thing
I
noticed
was
the
lack
of
really
big
space
for
these
businesses
to
come
into
we're
right,
where
I'm
looking
at
the
chart
for
those
of
you
that
might
have
the
expanded
version
up
but
I'm
looking
at
the
chart
on
page
20
and/or
the
table-
and
it
says
you
know,
the
majority
of
space
that
we
have
available
is
in
that
2,500
or
less
square
footage
range,
which
is
like
10
people
in
an
office.
And
that's
concerning
to
me.
It's
incredibly
concerning
I
didn't
realize
that.
H
B
It
is
a
challenge
and
where
the
challenge
really
lies,
is
it's
difficult
for
a
company
to
think
two
years
in
advance
and
yet
to
build
an
office
tower
in
downtown
you're
talking
about
18
to
24
month
build
time?
Well,
if
companies
aren't
thinking
that
far
in
advance
without
a
guaranteed
delivery
date,
they're
choosing
other
areas
they're
going
south
of
here,
where
you
can
slap
up
an
office
building
in
12
months,
so
we
continually
lose
some
of
these
large
projects
because
there
is
no
place
to
put
them.
So
we
are
working
diligently
and
Danny.
I
H
B
C
So
we
hope
to
be
bringing
a
program
to
the
board
that
can
help
address
that
we're
also
going
to
be
having
roundtable
discussions
with
developers
and
property
owners
in
terms
of
is
there
something
we
can
do
with
regard
to
the
agency's
programs
and
funding
that
we
can
try
to
figure
out?
Why
there
is
that
disconnect?
C
Why
we're
not
seeing
the
office
product
coming
online
fast
enough,
Ben
and
his
team
with
business
development,
do
a
great
job
of
recruiting
and
and
reaching
out
to
people
who
are
looking
for
that
office
space
we're
just
not
able
to
bring
it
online
in
the
timeframe
that
they
need.
So
what
is
causing
that?
And
how
can
we
address?
It
is
what
we're
looking
at
and
it's
something
that
we're
getting
calls
as
well
from
the
agency.
C
If
someone
wants
to
come
in
and
they
want
one
to
two
hundred
thousand
square
feet
of
office
space
and
whether
it's
a
land
or
whether
it's
just
the
fact
that
the
developers
aren't
willing
to
necessarily
jump
the
gun
or
whether
it's
a
function
of
the
fact
that
they
have
to
have
pre
leasing
requirements
and
the
financing
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
figure
that
out
and
see
where
we
can
address
and
and
target
our
goals
and
our
resources
to
kind
of
help.
Push
that
needle
a
little
bit
sooner.
G
D
G
The
question
that
came
up
and
staff
had
this
in
the
report,
as
well
as
outputs
what
you
all
do,
which
is
great
and
then
the
outcomes
what
the
businesses
do,
and
so
the
the
goal
is
to
do
certain
things
that
the
business
community
react
in
certain
ways.
So
like
City
right
do
we
have
any
sense
of
specific
outcomes.
You
could
be
evaluated
on
our
valuing
ourselves
on
in
the
next
two
years,
for
instance,
or
have
longer
one.
D
Of
the
things
that
has
been
raised
in
a
few
different
ways
has
been
the
overall
tax
base
and
the
balance
between
the
residents
and
businesses.
We
would
love
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
one
of
the
just
is
with
the
way
the
state
collects
the
tax
information
and
it
rolls
it
back
down
to
the
cities.
We
just
can't
do
it.
We
don't
have
that
information
available
to
say
how
we're
making
an
impact
in
that
world,
but
we
we
are
amenable
to
feedback
on
our
metrics.
D
If
the
council
has
recommend
recommendations,
we
we
love
metrics,
we
love
to
track.
We
love
to
know
how
and
where
we're
moving
the
needle.
One
of
the
examples
is
the
Net
Promoter
Score,
for
example.
That's
really
like.
Basically,
your
customer
survey
score
for
local
businesses
right
and
how
are
we
moving
the
needle
on
that
there's
a
very
clear
metric
on
if
businesses
are
happy
here
or
not,
and
that's
one
that
we
have
to
pay
close
attention
to?
D
G
With
your
example
of
the
the
dashboard
of
the
repeat
again,
the
Net
Promoter
Score
excuse
me
it's
a
great
example,
something
specific
that
you
can
measure
over
time,
but
I'm
looking
to
you
to
say
what
else
would
you
look
for
cuz,
I'm,
looking
through
say,
of
course,
my
the
mission
statement
in
the
vision,
but
how
we
know
were
successful.
Essentially,
if
we
can't
get
the
data
from
the
state
on
a
tax
base,
for
instance,
or
something
else,
we
can't
get
certain
other
quantitative
measures.
B
So,
from
our
perspective,
if
companies
are
investing
in
Salt
Lake
City,
that's
a
good
metric
that
we're
doing
something
right.
If
we're
seeing
jobs,
unemployment
rates,
stay,
low
and
job
growth
remain
high,
that's
a
good
metric,
and
then
you
know
for
some
of
the
others,
like
the
arts
that
we're
providing
arts
opportunities
for
everyone
in
the
community,
and
we
can
do
that
through
multiple
means,
whether
it's
public,
art
or
events
that
we
do
so
that's
another
metric
is
how
many
people
are
attending
them
are.
B
Are
we
keeping
the
cost
of
those
programs
modest
and
then
you
know
with
the
RDA?
They
have
a
whole
other
set
of
metric,
which
is
also
based
on
investment.
But
really
it
comes
down
to.
Are
we
maintaining
our
tax
increment?
Are
we
growing
our
tax
increment?
Because
that's
really
the
goal
of
any
good
RDA
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
investing
in
things
that
are
drawing
new
return
to
those
areas.
So.
G
B
G
G
So
the
mission
statement
is,
is,
is
general,
it
says,
be
a
vibrant,
beautiful,
prosperous,
diverse
and
authentic
city
close
to
quotation,
and
obviously
that
has
a
lot
has
a
lot
more
to
do
with
not
just
you
but
the
rest
of
the
city
departments
and
a
lot
of
things
outside
of
our
control.
Are
there
any
discussions
from
the
administration
or
across
departments
about
how
do
we
operationalize
those
kind
of
objectives?
Cuz
I'm,
guessing
those
are
pretty
common
to
a
lot
of
departments?
Well,.
D
I
can
give
one
practical
example
of
how
this
rolls
out
in
our
work
plan
in
business
development,
for
example,
any
proactive
recruitment
that
we
do.
We
do
in
partnership
with
another
part
of
the
city,
for
example,
sustainability
right
now
we're
working
on.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
create
marketing
materials
that
are
specifically
catered
towards
site
selectors,
who,
in
their
portfolio
have
green
businesses
like
the
type
of
people
we
want
here
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
and
then
once
we
set
up
materials
to
market
to
them?
D
G
Yeah,
like
I,
said
it's
not
just
your
department.
This
is
a
question
about
the
city
right
right.
If
we
know
that
this
is
relocate
here,
partly
because
of
state
tax
policies,
probably
because
of
housing
right
and
downtown
culture,
none
of
those
have
to
do
with
what
we
think
of,
as
maybe
traditional
city
objectives.
How
do
we
control
all
right
and
yeah?
It's
the
city?
We
can
do
some
things
to
be
interesting
to
say
across
departments.
How
do
we
know
that
we
are
making
it
I'll
say
more
beautiful,
right,
I
mean
you're,
not
doing
parks
ourselves.
G
That's
sort
of
the
discussion
point
about
a
mission
state
would
be
nice
to
see
multiple
departments
are
sort
of
a
unified
objectives
because,
as
a
funder,
it's
good
for
me
to
say
all
right.
What
bang
for
the
buck
is
the
most
effective?
What's
going
to
help
the
city
become
beautiful,
multiple
departments,
if
there's
a
an
initiative
or
something
they
can
be
bridging
three
to
four
departments
but
get
to
the
same
objective,
it's
much
easier
to
fund
that
right.
G
It's
like
I,
said
it's
more
than
just
you
all
going
to
your
vision.
Statement
of
a
question
about
the
research
and
innovation
piece,
we
talked
a
lot
about
this.
Another
fits
pretty
good
example
a
place.
That's
really
touted
their
ability
to
harness
multiple
universities
in
a
very
small
geographical
location
for
innovation
right
in
a
district.
They
call
we
have
the
University
of
Utah
viously
in
slick,
but
you
with
their
research
park.
What
specifics
are
we
looking
at
in
that
realm?
D
We
are
so,
for
example,
we
something
so
simple
as
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
the
entrepreneur
community
is
having
right
now
is
that
when
they
come
out
of
these
incubators
they
don't
have
space
in
the
city.
We're
like
wait,
that's
a
great
challenge,
because
that's
the
only
available
space
we
have
in
the
city,
and
so
one
of
the
simple
things
that
we've
done
is
generate
a
report
and
send
it
out
to
those
guys
right
to
say,
hey
just
for
awareness.
D
You
know
this
is
a
space
that's
available
in
the
city
and
that's
helping
to
keep
entrepreneurs
here
right
instead
of
going
out
to
different
markets.
So
this
is
just
one
way
that
we're
trying
to
work
in
that
entrepreneur
ecosystem
right
now,
but
we're
definitely
looking
to
build
on
that
in
the
coming.
G
And
so
thank
you
very
much
again.
Excellent
work.
I
am
very,
very,
very
interested
in
the
dashboard.
Obviously,
the
more
simple,
the
better
outcomes
for
us,
but
drilling
down
to
help
me
understand
a
little
more
about
how
we
can
we
envision
our
city,
we're
not
Pittsburgh
we're
not
Boise
we're,
not
San
Francisco
where
were
Utah
or
Salt
Lake
City
right.
What
is
the
balance
between
the
tech
industry
logistics?
G
G
It
helps
me
understand
in
your
app
Ori
talk
about
politicians
or
leaders
being
evangelists
for
the
city,
understanding
it
enough
to
be
able
to
talk
about
it
and
sell
it
and
that'd
be
very
helpful
for
me
as
a
simple
social
worker,
to
understand
a
lot
more
and
to
be
able
to
sell
sort
of
the
vision
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
it.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
G
A
Even
get
to
ask
mine
but
I'll
make
them
as
comments
instead
that
the
Workforce
Development
position
I
would
whether
it's
offline.
If
we
should
set
up
a
meeting,
I'm
curious
how
you
integrate
that
position
with
the
Department
of
Workforce
Services,
and
also
with
the
educators
and
the
Technical
Training
entities
that
we
have
to
bridge
that
gap,
and
we've
talked
about
that
I.
A
So
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
the
workforce,
housing
partnerships
that
you
are
going
to
our
lease
conversations
that
you're
going
to
stay
connected
with
or
how
you
connect
employers
with
potential
housing
opportunities.
I'd
like
to
learn
more
about
that
and
then
on
goal.
3
with
the
I
wondered
about
the
building
services
audit
implementation,
because
that
was
a
really
illuminating
study
that
we
did
have
an
update
on
and
it
was
partially
implemented
and
I
haven't
really
heard
anything
since
then.
A
So
maybe
I
could
request
a
follow-up
meeting
with
some
of
you
or
all
of
you
to
talk,
learn
more
about
how
you're
doing
these
things.
But
thank
you
and
with
that
we'll
excuse
you
from
the
table
and
move
on
to
item
2
on
our
agenda,
which
is
consideration
of
an
ordinance
for
the
Neighborhood
House
rezone
at
419,
422,
423
and
430
South
1100
west.
We
may
have
nicked
our
'but
our
council
policy
analyst
at
the
table,
Nick
Norris
or
another
planning,
representative
and
Katia
pace.
L
M
A
M
M
A
N
B
M
The
other
issue
would
be
to
vacate
the
street
here,
which
neighborhood
house
didn't
realize
that
they
had
a
street
there.
They
just
used
that
as
a
baseball
field,
so
it's
been
on
paper,
but
never
actually
a
street
this
area
here
in
blue
and
then
the
other
request
is
to
consolidate
all
these
parcels
and
that's
going
to
be
after
the
street
closure.
M
Waive
the
requirement
that
we
usually
have
to
sell
this
property
at
fair
market
value.
We,
when
we
vacate
a
street
our
policy,
is
to
sell
it
a
fair
market
value,
but
since
they
are
a
nonprofit
organization,
they're
requesting
the
city
to
waive
that.
But
that's
gonna
be
your
third
item
that
you're
gonna
be
presented.
A
G
G
So
it
sells,
he
used
to
be
a
river
essentially,
and
the
new
build
is
brand
new
right
behind
the
current
out
current
building
in
it
from
what
it
sounds
like
it's
gonna
be
much
more
functional
both
for
adult
and
child
daycare
purposes,
and
I
did
ask
them.
All's
well
about
trying
to
salvage
it's
a
my
view,
historic
building,
mid-century,
modern
sort
of
building,
very
beautiful,
but
what
it
sounds
like
they
can't
renovated
effectively
to
make
it
useful
at
this
point.
So
that's
why
they're
changing
to
an
older
building
structure
so
I
support
it.
G
M
A
I
guess
I'm
wondering
about
the
existing
qualifications
for
vacation
that
must
be
or,
and
maybe
qualifications
is
the
wrong
term
for
consideration
of
vacation
michaela.
Can
you
help
me
on
that
one,
or
is
that
also
in
that
might
inform
councilmember
Johnston
our
consideration
of
the
vacation,
plus
the
the
public
benefit
portion
for
waiving
waiving
the
fee,
but
I
know
I'm
putting
you
guys
on
the
spot?
That's
probably
not
something.
We
have
on
hand.
J
M
A
M
M
M
A
I
think
councilmember
Johnston
you're,
saying
that
we
could
consider
in
the
future,
in
addition
to
or
a
clause
in
this
second
consideration,
that
if
the
street
closure
or
that
the
directive
to
obtain
fair
market
value,
first
Street
closure
could
be
waived
or
it
could
be
considered
to
be
waived.
If
there
is
a
public
benefit
established
or
something
yeah.
G
Just
it
makes
sort
of
intrinsic
sense
right
after
the
service,
but
we
don't
have
a
policy
under
sort
of
folks
and
that's
totally
make
sense.
There's
no
policy
about
it.
So
when
it
comes
up
again,
another
situation
is
there
gonna,
be
clear
directive
for
different
types
of
nonprofits,
so
Intermountain
Healthcare
as
a
non-profit,
very
different
situation.
All
right,
I'm,
not
saying
the
word
wouldn't
but
he'd
be
interesting
to
flesh
that
out
a
little
bit
for
us
to
give
some
direction
there.
O
A
A
Rate
housing
opportunities
and,
and
that's
the
kind-
these
are
the
kind
of
decisions
that
policy
could
help
us.
So
let's
set
that
aside
with
a
note
to
staff-
and
maybe
we
need
to
do
a
straw
poll
with
four
of
us
here-
about
whether
or
not
we'd
like
to
add
to
the
list
of
potential
ordinance,
can
see
policy
considerations.
Do
you
want
to
put
a
straw
poll
out
there
yeah.
G
A
G
Even
if
there
may
be
other,
not
policy
but
other
sort
of
protocols
already
out
there,
that
sort
of
guide
this
I
mean
there's
already
recommendations
right.
I'm
staff
will
make
recommendations
based
on
the
situation.
There's
got
to
be
some
sort
of
already
some
ways
to
evaluate
that's
pretty
effectively.
G
G
A
Suggestion
the
third
piece
that
we
stopped
katia
at
and
didn't
get
to
of
the
four
considerations
for
street
closure
talks
about
the
public
benefit
analysis
right.
There
should
be
sufficient
public
policy
reasons
to
justify
the
sale,
and/or
closure
and
that
perhaps
there's
I
think
it's
actually
a
little
more
simple
than
we
may
be,
making
it
out
to
be
where
the
public
benefit
analysis
could
inform
the
general
policy
on
obtaining
fair
market
value.
You
know
because
it
does
say
it's
a
general
policy
which
lends
itself
for
reconsideration
yeah.
A
So
couldn't
we
just
ask
you
to
think
about
that,
so
that
future
councils
may
feel
so
entitled
to
waive
fair
market
I'm,
not
trying
to
predict
what
we're
going
to
do
here,
but
that
there
are
certain
considerations
for
housing.
Affordable,
housing,
public
benefit
community
needs
that
we
may
want
to
have
in
policy.
That's
sufficient
Andrew
yeah.
A
A
Thank
you,
Michaela
Thank,
You,
Katya
and
Nick
I.
Think
we'll
see
you
again.
Actually
are
you
staying
with
us
for
sections
3
&
4
on
here?
Can
we
just
keep
you
up
parallel?
Yes,
is
there
any
additional
and
and
Brian
Fullmer
did
you
want
to
come
up
for
this
string
closure
portion?
Please
thank
you.
Brian
former
council
policy,
analyst
specializes
in
street
closures
and
alley
vacations
Brian.
Is
there
any
discussion
you
want
to
kick
us
off
with
well.
P
Observer
and
even
to
the
neighborhood
house,
folks,
they
didn't
realize
the
street
was
even
there.
It
just
appears
that
it's
part
of
their
campus,
and
so
what
they're
wanting
to
do
is
formalize
that
and
the
if
the
street
closure
is
approved.
The
plan
is
to
rezone
that
too,
or
it
would
automatically
become
institutional
or
the
policy
to
have.
L
A
I
keep
you
up
here
and
move
people
around
to
make
it
clear
that
we're
working
through
these
separately.
You
can
get
up
and
switch
seats
if
you
want
cuz
we're
gonna
move
on
to
item
four
Thank
You
Bryan,
which
is
also
about
Neighborhood
House,
but
we're
going
to
invite
Silveri
Richards
our
council
policy
budget,
analyst
up
here
and
Randy
Hillier
of
the
finance
department.
Ladies,
you
may
stay.
If
you
don't
mind
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
public
benefit
analysis
for
the
donation
component.
A
P
I,
really
don't
have
that
much
more
to
add
other
than
in
doing
the
public
benefits
analysis,
we're
fulfilling
the
requirements
of
state
code
10-8
to
looking
at
how
this
transaction
is
benefiting.
The
city
and
I
think
this
has
already
been
discussed
it.
It
does
provide
a
benefit
to
the
city
and
supporting
the
lower
income
population
of
that
area
of
the.
G
Neighborhood
house
has
always
been
very
kind
and
generous
and
offering
the
space
for
use
by
public
meeting.
Sometimes
there's
not
a
lot
of
space,
but
there's
some
they've
used.
Currently
the
fields
have
always
been
secured
from
public
access,
so
is
that
gonna
continue
for
Italy
Gabriel
should
ask
their
liability
issues
and
having
the
field
open
to
the
Parkway,
for
instance,
and
those
kind
of
things
here.
A
C
A
Good
answer:
thank
you
anything
else.
Council
members.
Are
you
sure
cuz
they're
our
last?
This
is
our
last
bite
of
three
for
the
work
session
at
this
Apple.
Thank
you
all
for
being
with
us.
As
Sylvia
mentioned,
we're
gonna
set
the
date
for
the
public
hearing
we
already
did,
which
we
set
on
February
6,
we'll
hold
that
public
hearing
March
6th
and
then
we
are
tentative
scheduled
to
make
take
action
on
March
20th.
A
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
being
with
us.
Thank
you
with
that.
We'll
move
on
a
little
bit
ahead
of
schedule
if
Wayne
Mills
is
here
is
Wayne
here.
Yet
hey
Wayne
come
on
up.
We
are
ahead
of
schedule,
but
everybody's
here
we're
gonna
go
on
a
item
5,
which
is
an
ordinance
confer
and
development
zoning
text.
Amendment
now
we've
got
Nick
Norris,
Nick
turbit
and
Wayne
Mills
Nick
turbit,
no
Nick
Norris.
Well,.
L
Thank
you
very
much.
You
see
the
petition
initiated
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
review,
modify
the
plan
development
ordinance
plan
development
is
a
development,
a
special
development
approval
process
that
allows
the
Planning
Commission
to
modify
zoning
standards
in
an
effort
to
get
a
better
project
and
what
might
be
allowed
under
strict
compliance
with
zoning
through
the
Planning
Commission's
review
of
planned
developments
over
the
years.
L
They've
identified
issues
with
the
current
regulations
in
relation
to
their
to
what
their
authority
is
under
that
ordinance
and
also
the
specific
standards
for
review
they've
had
issues
we're
trying
to
determine
whether
or
not
a
project
is
compatible
with
the
adjacent
neighborhood
and
really,
if
we're
getting
a
better
project,
then
applying
the
strict
code
versus
basically
just
granting
variances.
How
to
summarize.
L
The
purpose
of
the
changes
to
proposed
amendments
are
intended
to
ensure
that
plan
development
is
meeting
a
citywide
planning
objective
sure
that
the
design
of
the
project
is
compatible
with
adjacent
development
and
clarify
and
simplify
zoning
regulations
related
to
planned
developments.
I'll
just
give
you
a
very
brief
overview
of
some
of
the
more
substantial
changes
of
the
code
that
are
being
proposed.
The
first
one
is
the
purpose
and
objectives
the
the
current
ordinance
has
a
list
of
objectives
that
the
city
seeks
to
achieve
through
the
plan
development
process.
L
L
One
of
the
problems
is
that
this
Authority
is
kind
of
spread
out
all
over
the
code
right
now
and
the
Planning
Commission
is
always
struggled
a
little
bit
with
what
their
authority
actually
is.
So
we
consolidated
everything
into
one
area.
In
the
code,
I
mean
we've
also
clarified
that
language
on
what
it
is
that
the
Planning
Commission
has
authority
to
do
under
this
process.
A
couple
of
things
that
we
added
to
this
process
is
one
is
off-site
parking.
L
It's
really
kind
of
a
technical
zoning
geeky
zoning
thing,
but
offsite
parking
is,
is
when
you're
you're
trying
to
meet
your
required
parking,
not
on
the
property
that
it's
located
on.
It's
actually
a
land
use
in
our
code
and
because
our
code
says
that
that
that's
a
land
use
and
planning
commission
can't
modify
land
use.
It's
become
a
bit
problematic
because
a
lot
of
times
plan
developments
have
multiple
parcels
but
they'll
all
kind
of
share
parking
in
one
parcel.
L
We've
kind
of
made
that
work
in
some
instances,
but
this
really
clarifies
the
code
and
allows
us
to
do
that.
That
thing,
which
is
actually
really
important
for
these
larger
developments,
that
we
can
have
kind
of
a
consolidated
parking
area,
kind
of
towards
the
back
and
put
our
development
towards
the
front.
Do.
L
L
No,
but
in
this
case
with
the
planned
development,
they
need
to
be
with
in
the
actual
planned
development
area,
but
you
can
do
offsite
parking
outside
of
a
plan
development
in
the
zoning
districts
that
it's
allowed.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
contiguous,
but
it
has
to
be
within
I
think
it's
it's
a
certain
number
of
feet:
500
600
feet
away
from
the
property.
Okay,
thanks.
L
The
other
thing
that
we
added
to
what
the
the
Planning
Commission
can
approve
is
related
to
density.
The
Planning
Commission
cannot
approve
a
plan
development
that
exceeds
the
allowable
residential
density
of
the
zone
and
that's
something
that's
that's
always
been
in
the
plan
development
ordinance.
We
looked
at
ways
that
the
Planning
Commission
had
an
interest
in
trying
to
increase
density
through
the
plan
development
process.
L
We
looked
at
some
ways,
but
it
really
kind
of
became
a
much
bigger
project
and
out
of
the
scope
of
what
we
were
really
trying
to
do
with
this
plan
development
change,
but
through
our
public
involvement
process.
Some
ideas
popped
up
that
that
maybe
we
look
at
doing
a
density,
bonus
or
basically
kind
of
ignoring
those
density
regulations.
L
L
K
Think
the
only
thing
I'll
add
and
Wayne
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
is
that
this
is
part
of
one
of
our
kind
of
key
goals
for
2017
was
looking
at
a
number
of
our
processes
to
streamline
them
so
that
they
work
better.
This
is
a
key
component
of
that
plan.
Developments
are
one
of
the
things
that,
at
the
staff
level,
take
up
a
significant
amount
of
our
time.
I
think
the
average
staff
hours
dedicated
to
one
plan
development
application
is
close
to
80
hours.
K
If
that
gives
you
an
idea
of
how
sick
of
how
much
time
we
actually
spend
looking
at
these
types
of
things,
and
most
of
them
are
relatively
simple
types
of
things-
the
multiple
buildings
on
a
single
lot
in
the
m1
zone,
you
know-
or
we
have
two
big
warehouses-
one
doesn't
have
street
frontage.
You
know
those
really
should
be
buy
right,
because
we
don't
get
any
sort
of
there's.
Never
any
issues
identified
them
with
with
them.
Instead,
it
just
seems
like
we're
taking
someone
through
a
process
just
to
take
them
through
a
process.
K
A
A
K
There's
two
more
on
your
agenda
on
your
briefing
next,
but
next
in
the
pipeline.
That's
going
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
the
next
month
is
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
review
process,
which
is
also
a
very
significant
when
I
think
our
applications
for
conditional
building
in
site
design
review
are
up
about
a
hundred
percent
over
the
last
three
years.
So
another
very
time-consuming
thing.
We
don't
do
a
lot.
K
A
Times
Wow,
thank
you,
Planning,
Council
members.
Anything
you
want
to
ask
comment,
complain
whatever
we're
ahead
of
schedule.
Thank
you.
Well,
it
sounds
good.
We
thank
you
for
being
with
us
and
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
set
a
public.
We
already
set
a
public
hearing,
we're
taking
public
comment
on
March
6th
and
we're
set
up
to
take
action
on
this
on
the
20th.
Thank
you,
Nick
Nick,
Queen.
K
A
N
N
This
is
a
petition
that
was
generated
actually
a
long
time
ago
in
2009,
in
order
to
clarify
and
fix
our
regulations
for
demolition
in
our
historic
districts
for
various
reasons.
That
was
never
really
acted
upon.
That
came
to
the
forefront
here
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
particularly
the
last
year
when
we've
had
believe
it's
14
demolition
requests
in
2017,
and
at
that
time
it
became
very
apparent
that
our
demolition
and
economic
hardship
processes
are
in
need
of
amending
I.
N
N
N
Me,
let
me
just
let
me
just
hit
upon
the
big
items
in
our
demolition
regs.
There
is
one
of
the
standards
refers
to
the
economic
hardship
process,
and
so
when
we
were
looking
at
demolition
to
have
that
as
a
standard
when
we
have
a
whole
process
for
that
is,
is
somewhat
misplaced
and
so
we're
proposing
to
remove
that
if
an
applicant
goes
through
a
demolition
process
is
denied
and
wants
to
pursue
the
economic
hardship
process.
We
have
a
full
process
for
that.
N
The
next
thing
that
is
important
is
that,
right
now
we
have
a
process
by
which,
if
you
achieve
a
set
number
of
standards-
and
you
would
be
approved
if
you've
hit
that
middle
ground,
there
is
a
a
waiting
period
that
can
be
imposed,
and
if
you
hit
just
one
or
two
standards,
you
can
be
denied
we're
proposing
to
remove
that
current
process
and
have
that
replaced
with
the
process.
Where,
if
you
substantially
meet
criteria,
then
you
would
be
approved.
If
you
don't
meet
it,
you
would
be
denied
it's
much
more
black-and-white.
N
A
N
J
H
A
P
P
N
F
J
This
was
the
first
one
this
year,
and
so
we've
been
muddling
through
this
process,
which
is
this
is
super
timely.
The
mayor
initiated
the
petition
for
us
to
fix
this
process
because
we
actually
have
you
know,
applications
and
we're
just
right
in
there
with
the
language
and
and
trying
to
improve
it
with
the
applicant
and
identifying
issues
with
it.
But
it
is
real
good.
So.
J
We
might
see
it
more
frequently,
I
think
so,
just
because
it
and
I'm
kind
of
just
speaking
with
my
own
opinion.
You
know
lots
of
renovations
of
historic
buildings
and
the
last
five
or
six
years
have
occurred,
and
there
are
just
those
outliers
or
those
buildings
that
are
in
terrible
condition
that
still
are
considered
historic,
and
this
would
be
the
appropriate
process
to
kind
of
weigh
the
economics
against
whether
it's
a
taking
or
not.
Okay,
I
think.
K
We
do
expect
to
see
more
challenges
than
when
we,
when
we
have
periods
of
high
development
pressure.
That
impacts
not
only
places
where
it's
easier
to
develop
in
the
city,
but
also
our
historic
districts,
and
so
as
long
as
our
development
economy
is
what
it
is.
We
are
going
to
keep
seeing
these
these
types
of
applications.
Okay,
thank
you.
J
That
one
property
with
the
other
side
Academy
actually
got
an
approval
from
demolition
because
they
appealed
they
were
put
into
that
because
there
was
one
standard
with
the
demolition
process.
The
landmark
Commission
had
to
put
it
in
that
waiting
period
that
bonafide
preservation
period
and
they
appealed
to
the
mayor
and
she
overturned
that
one
standard
based
on
the
substantial
evidence
which
is
within
that
authority,
and
so
they
have
will
be
receiving
their
certificate
of
appropriateness.
So
they
don't
need
to
go
through
the
process.
So.
H
J
H
K
K
Which
just
doesn't
make
sense
the
the
new
the
new
proposal
basically
says
that
the
base
owning
of
the
site
does
not
permit
land
uses.
That
would
allow
the
adaptive
reuse,
and
so
we
get
to
take
into
more
into
account
more,
not
just
what
the
land
use
is.
But
if
the
land
use
is
actually,
if
it's
feasible
to
do
it
in
that
building.
So
it
broadens
that
a
little
bit
and
makes
it
easier
to
for
for
the
Landmarks
Commission
to
make
a
decision.
N
That's
really
the
summary
of
the
demolition
changes
in
terms
of
the
economic
hardship.
We
really
reworked
that
that
whole
section
just
to
make
it
more
clear,
more
simplified,
the
biggest
thing
with
those
changes
were
we
won
instead
of
having
a
list
of
the
things
that
applicants
are
required
to
submit
for
that
which
the
list
was
very
lengthy,
because
the
impetus
to
prove
economic
hardship
is
on
the
applicant.
N
We
changed
that
list
to
a
laundry
list
of
things
that
they
could
provide
instead
of
having
them
go,
get
a
bunch
of
information
that
may
or
may
not
be
relevant
just
because
it's
required
now.
What
you
would
do
is
you
would
submit
things
that
you
think
can
make
your
case
for
to
prove
economic
hardship,
and
the
second
thing
would
that
is
substantial-
is
currently
there's
a
three-person
economic
review
panel,
and
that
consists
of
one
of
the
landmark
commissioners,
a
representative,
the
applicant
and
then
somebody
that
those
two
folks
choose
as
a
third.
N
K
A
K
Similar
something
that
we
have
them
on
retainer,
but
we
don't.
We
give
them
the
information
and
they
go
it's
not
a.
We
don't
have
an
influence
necessarily
over
what
they
would
do
their
whole
intent
of
that
is
for
them
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
are
essentially
creating
a
regulatory
taking
of
property
by
not
allowing
the
demolition
of
the
structure.
So
very
technical,
legal
economic
decision.
F
Just
want
to
say-
and
this
is
something
that
it
comes
up
in
my
district-
a
lot
because
of
our
historic
houses
and
I
feel
like
you're,
saying
and
I
read
through
these
materials-
that
it's
not
really
that
you're
changing
the
standards
of
what
it
takes
to
make
these
changes
either
construction
or
to
prove
hardship,
but
just
making
clarifications
on
what
the
existing
standards
should
be.
Would
you
say
that
that's
accurate,
succulent?
F
Okay,
because
the
thing
that
I
hear
the
most
is
that
the
complaint
that
I
hear
the
most
isn't
so
much
that
well
I
hear
on
both
sides,
but
but
it's
it's
not
that
their
regulations
are
too
strong,
we're
not
strong
enough,
but
that
they're
not
clear
and
people.
Whether
they're
proponents
of
historic
preservation
or
whether
they're
wanting
to
build
new
construction
feel
that
they
can't
sit
down
with
the
ordinance
before
they
plan.
F
Something
and
say
we
think
we're
gonna
pass
or
we
think
we're
gonna
fail,
but
it
feels
to
them
very
much
like
they're
in
the
dark.
So
I
really
appreciate
this.
The
only
thing
I
wanted
to
say
to
ask
about
in
terms
of
proving
the
hardship
is
that
I
know
that
take
bishops
place,
for
example,
is
another
one.
That's
in
my
district,
another
example
too
will
help
me
understand
this.
Well,
the
changes
to
this
make
it
any
simpler
to
prove
economic
hardship
in
that
on
that
particular
project.
In
your
estimation,
I.
K
F
But
when
they
sorry
I
should
have
clarified
so
since
they
have
the
affirmative
duty
to
prove
the
economic
hardship
does
having
a
list
of
things
that
are
required
versus
a
list
of
things
like
here's,
an
example
of
what
you
could
provide.
Do
you
think
that
that.
K
F
K
G
Quick
question
on
the
substantial
substantially
the
wording
there.
One
of
the
concerns
that
people
voiced
in
the
past
about
the
Historic
Landmarks
Commission
was:
it
was
hard
to
sort
a
forecaster
know
what
you're
going
to
get
it
for
a
decision,
because
it
was
very,
it
wasn't
for
a
black-and-white
there's
a
good
reasons
to
do
that.
Sometimes
I
understand
that.
Does
this
put
us
closer
to
that
realm
again
saying
you
have
to
meet
a
substantial
sort
of
intent
of
this
demolition?
G
K
Yeah
I
would
say
there.
There
is
because
these
are
pretty
complicated
decisions.
It's
hard
to
come
up
with
something
where
somebody
could
look
at
oh
yeah,
I
know,
I'm,
gonna,
get
approval
or
I'm
gonna
get
a
no
I.
Think
I
think
we
do
our
best
at
the
staff
level
to
walk
them
through
each
and
every
standard
so
that
they
know
what
what
the
Landmarks
Commission
is
going
to
be.
It
has
to
review
and
and
so
that
they
can
prepare
themselves
the
best
they
can
we're
not
going
to
make
their
their
argument
for
them.
K
We
will
give
ideas
about
what
other
people
have
done
in
the
past,
what
the
planning
or
what
the
Landmarks
Commission
has
found
on
similar
types
of
projects,
and
things
like
that,
so
they
have
some,
they
have
something
to
go
off
of,
but
but
yeah
we
really
are
trying
to
make
it
in.
We
couldn't
really
cop
codify
that
kind
of
stuff
that
doesn't,
and
we
have
to
do
on
the
front
end
and
hopefully
that's
something
that
we
will
be
better
and
we
have
been
in
the
past.
K
G
J
G
K
Also-
and
this
is
a
credit
to
the
Landmarks
Commission-
they
went
through
both
of
these
harnesses
that
you're
reviewing
line
by
line
meeting
after
meeting,
and
they
spend
a
lot
of
time
discussing
these
same
types
of
issues,
and
they
got
to
the
point
where
they
were
comfortable
with
the
ordinance
helping
them
make.
Decisions,
of
course,
is
what
they
have
now
well.
A
P
One
thing
you
know
just
as
this
is
moving
forward
and
it
goes
to
councilmember
Fowler's
question
about
the
definition
of
substantially
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
think
that
we
necessarily
need
to
look
for
like
a
dictionary
definition
of
what
that
is,
but
we
all
know
the
of
you
know
all
of
the
issues
that
Planning
and
Zoning
deals
with.
This
is
the
one
that
tends
to
be
the
most.
P
It
can
be
the
most
political
and
I
think
the
more
predictability
that
we
can
add
to
this,
the
better
so
that
we
take
you
guys.
Out
of
you,
know
the
interpretation
role
and
and
I
don't
know
I
mean.
Is
it
even
possible
to
come
up
with
something?
That's
not
you
know
the
the
word
you
use
in
the
word
substantially
that
that
clarifies
a
little
bit.
What
we're
looking
for,
so
that
that
predictability
is
there
or
is
that
the
best
that
you
guys
can
come.
K
Up
I
think
we,
if
I
recall
correctly,
we
we
discussed
this
quite
a
bit
with
the
lamar's
Commission
I,
don't
off
the
top
of
my
head.
Remember
the
outcome
other
than
what's
in
the
ordinance
right
now,
but
we
can
certainly
look
and
get
help
from
our
attorney's
office
on
is
there?
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
define
that
right
now?
If
we
don't
define
a
term
in
our
zoning
ordinance,
we
automatic
the
ordinance
defers
us
to
Webster's
dictionary.
Okay,
so,
even
though
we
may
not
have
that
definition,
yeah
I
mean
if.
P
H
J
Talk
about
that
because
when
developers
were
coming
in
and
we've
had
these
recent
demolition
applications,
they'd
have
they'd
be
looking
through
every
standard.
Are
you
contributing
really
asking
these
historic
questions
and
then
it
would
require
the
landmark
Commission
to
do
a
full
new
construction
review
of
that
replacement
with
a
reuse
plan
and
the
developers
were
saying
this
is
such
an
enormous
cost
to
us
when
we
don't
even
have
the
question
of
whether
we
can
demolish
this
right
now,
you're
you're
mixing
these
processes,
and
we
were
like
acknowledge
that.
Yes,
absolutely
we
are
mixing
these
processes.
J
The
first
demolition
question
should
be:
is
it
historic?
Is
it
going
to
hurt
the
district?
Is
it
gonna
hurt
the
streetscape
all
those
historic
questions,
then
do
you
get
your
approval
to
demolish?
Then
the
next
question
will
be:
what
are
you
replacing
it
with?
Then
the
developer
or
the
applicant
or
the
homeowner
should
be
spending
that
money
on
the
on
all
the
plans
and
all
the
planning.
If
that
answers
your
question,
yeah.
H
And
just
again
sort
of
my
own
layman's
terms
on
this
is
so
essentially
once
that
first
question
is
answered
and
it's
an
approval.
Let's
say
they
can
go
back
and
if
it
doesn't
fit
the
zone
of
that
district,
then
it
can
be
denied
or
the
plans
can
be
denied,
based
on
whatever
that
next
step
looks
like
exactly.
J
A
A
J
A
J
Well,
I
have
to
give
some
kudos
to
Anthony
reader.
He
has
left
Salt
Lake
City,
but
he
worked
on
our
preservation
team
and
he
was
the
project
manager
but
I'm
happy
to
discuss
this
actual
petition.
So
the
standards
for
new
construction
really
haven't
been
changed
in
20
years
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
though
they've
been
on
the
books
since
1995
and
and
some
council
members
that
have
been
on
the
council
for
a
number
of
years.
J
Due
to
the
economy,
we
have
seen
very
large,
complicated
infill,
new
construction
development
and
our
local
historic
districts
and
we've
been
trying
to
grapple
with
those
as
best
as
possible,
and
part
of
the
mayor
study
again
was
to
take
a
look
at
these
new
construction
standards
to
make
improvements
to
them,
and
we've
just
been
discussing
these
internally
and
with
designers
and
with
applicants
and
in
a
nutshell.
We
think
that
what
we've
proposed
will
improve
predictability,
that
predictability
where
a
developer,
who
may
not
be
an
architect
and
actual
architects,
can
come
in
and
go
through.
J
Those
standards
use
our
design
guidelines
and
have
some
sort
of
that
they're
gonna
either
get
an
approval
or
maybe
be
somewhere
in
the
middle
to
make
their
case
or
not
be
meeting
the
standards
and
really
the
purpose
of
these
is
to
have
compatible
new
buildings
in
our
local
historic
districts
right.
So
when
you're
driving
by
they're
compatible
enough
that
they
don't
draw
your
eye,
and
you
don't
think
wow
who
approved
that
so
what
they
do,
the
standards
are:
more
user
friendly,
hopefully
and
clear.
J
J
This
code
also
explains
how
the
design
guidelines
are
used.
We've
been
challenged
by
some
that
we
don't
even
have
to
look
at
your
adopted
design
guidelines
because
it's
not
code,
it's
really
just
advice.
Well,
your
intent
was
to
have
it
be
advice
to
help
inform
this
code,
so
we've
codified
that
another
biggie
is
that
predictability
bit
on
what
an
applicant
for
new
construction
should
submit,
so
that
we
get
a
full
submit
and
we
can
go
full
steam
ahead.
A
staff
working
with
that
developer.
Writing
our
reports
and
we
have
a
pretty
good
list.
O
J
K
Think
the
the
challenge
with
with
with
stucco
is
that
we
stucco
is
a
historic
building
material
it.
What
most
people
are
referring
to
when
they're
talking
stucco
really
is
an
X
what's
technically
called
an
exterior
insulating
finishing
system
which
is
far
different
than
the
historic
stucco
types
of
products
that
are
out
there.
So
historic
stucco
is
a
thin,
concrete
based
thing:
that's
trowel,
Don
layer
after
layer
after
layer
that
that
we
do
have
on
a
lot
of
our
historic
buildings
in
the.
C
K
J
J
J
A
P
J
A
A
C
C
C
A
R
R
The
the
Department
is
recommending
that
we
change
the
definition
of
recyclable
items
in
section
9.0,
8.0
of
the
city
code.
Currently,
the
provoked
the
definition
has
a
list
of
recyclable
items
and
requires
that
the
Department
to
post
those
the
the
problem
is
is
that
what
is
actually
recyclable
hinges
on
two
things:
whether
someone
will
buy
the
material
and
what
were
their
processor
actually
has
the
technology
to
pull
the
material
out
of
the
string.
R
A
perfect
example
of
has
plastic
bags,
which
did
the
current
technology
of
the
processors
that
we
have
in
the
valley
cannot
remove
that
from
the
stream.
Therefore,
it
gets
bound
up
in
the
equipment
causes
damage
which
they
charge
back
to
the
city
and
they
end
up
throwing
the
stuff
in
the
trash
anyway.
So
that
was
one
of
the
items
we
wanted
to
remove
from
the
definition,
and
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
change
those
definitions
as
the
technology
and
the
markets
dictate.
So
that's
the
two
main
things,
so
we
want
to
do
with
that
ordinance.
O
Sure
this
is
a
comment
not
necessarily
for
you,
but
for
the
body,
and
so
obviously
this
is
an
important
update,
but
I
couldn't
help
but
think
all
along
while
reading
through
the
paperwork
that
we
really
need
to
move
on.
Our
formerly
stated
goal
of
banning
plastic
bags
from
grocery
stores,
because
if
they
can't
be
recycled
and
they're
lost
in
the
stream
of
waste,
then
maybe
we
shouldn't
have
them
any
longer.
I
know:
there's
some
organization
happening
at
the
state
level.
O
R
They're,
raising
their
rules
on
automatic
contamination
actually
actually
be
in
the
bells
and
the
material
that
sold
over
there,
and
so
it's
down
to
point
zero
five
percent,
which
is
like
pure
than
ivory
soap.
And
so
it's
it's
a
almost
unrealistic
expectations.
So
you're
seeing
the
processors
pushback
on
every
single
possible
contaminant
thats,
showing
up
in
the
street
and.
R
Would
it's
the
education
program
which
we're
undertaking
right
now?
Is
it
first
educate
the
residents
not
to
use
them,
preferably
to
use
the
reusable
bags
to
if
they
do
use
recycle
the
plastic
bags
to
return
them
to
the
market,
but
they
where
they
purchased
the
material
from
so
there
are
several
different
grocery
stores
and
other
entities
that
will
accept
those.
So.
R
But
it's
there
they're
isolated
they're
in
by
themselves,
so
they
don't
get
cross
contaminated
with
food
or
other
material,
and
it's
like
plastics.
If
you
look
at
a
plastic
bag,
you'll
probably
see
a
2
or
4
on
the
bottom,
but
you
can't
tell
the
difference
by
looking
at
the
bag,
but
the
chemical
makeup
is
different
by
were
taking
them
back
to
the
store
you
bought
them
from
you're
gonna
have
more
of
the
same
type
of
bag,
but
that
but
they'll
take
all
film.
It's
not
just
the
plastic
bag
issue.
O
R
G
A
R
So
when
we
evaluated
the
actual
cost
of
the
services
were
provided
and
benchmarked
against
some
of
the
public
sector
to
make
sure
we're
not
sorry
private
sector
make
sure
were
not
out
of
the
norm,
it
was
obvious
that
we
were
under
charging
for
that
service.
So
is
what
we
decided
we
looked
at
doing
is
breaking
it
as
a
kind
of
a
tiered
approach,
with
a
hundred
cans
being
the
the
break
off.
Because
that's
the
number
of
containers
we
can
actually
fit
on
our
truck
to
take
out
to
the
these
events.
R
So
anything
above
that
we
required
a
second
trip
or
a
second
truck
to
to
make
the
the
cart,
delivery
and
and
removal,
and
so,
as
you
can
see,
some
of
the
events
that
got
hit
are
we're
proposing
to
raise
the
fees
on
is
the
larger
events.
The
smaller
events
don't
see
getting
near
the
impact
because
it
just
comes
down
to
the
delivery.
We
look
at
it.
G
Yes,
so,
on
the
on
the
event
charge
for
for
waste,
Holloway
bins
are
brought
out
and
then
they're
hauled
away
for
you
at
the
end
of
the
event,
for
a
small
event,
I'm
thinking
of,
say,
grooving,
the
Grove
in
Poplar
Grove,
which
is
smallest
of
them
pretty
small
event.
Would
there
be
a
charge
increase
for
that
level
as
well?
The
smallest
yes.
R
Yes,
it's
it's.
It's
broken
out
by
the
number
of
cans
that
they
would
get
the
and
then
the
number
of
dumps
that
they'd
have,
in
addition
to
the
final
dump
and
remove
all
the
can.
So
if
an
event
does
receive
the
carts
used
it
over
the
weekend,
then
we
retrieve
the
carts
on
Monday
and
had
to
dump
them.
There
would
be
one
fee.
Okay,.
G
R
G
G
R
A
F
Hello,
so
I've
been
contacted
by
some
of
the
festivals
that
happened
in
our
city
and
they're
really
concerned
about
these
additional
charges
that
that
we
keep
adding
to
the
point
that
they're
concerned
that
it
might
make
it
financially
impossible
for
them
to
continue
in
this
location.
I
know
you
said
that
you've
had
some
phone
conversations
with
them.
Excuse
me
phone
conversations
with
interested
parties,
but
have
we
have
we
actively
sought
their
feedback
and
I
would
say?
R
We've
had
a
lot
of
outreach
with
them
and
we've
had
several
meetings
that
we've
met
with
them
face-to-face
and
we've
looked.
In
fact,
this
has
been
going
on
for
a
couple
years
that
we've
been
looking
at
this
this
possibility,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
education
with
helping
them
to
right-size
their
service,
so
they
don't
have
more
service
than
than
actually
need,
but
yeah
by
all
means
I
happy
to
sit
down
with
them
and
have
that
have
that
discussion.
R
Q
Sometimes
the
council
has
had
a
delayed
effective
date,
so
in
other
words,
you
know
you
delay
it
for
the
next
season
or
you
know
for
the
next
year.
Obviously,
that
would
have
a
revenue
impact
for
the
current
year,
which
is
another
thing
to
consider.
The
other
thing
that
the
council
has
done
in
the
past
is
to
appropriate
a
coule
of
grant
funds
which,
right
now
that
was
the
genesis
of
the
signature
event
fund,
is
now
the
East
event
fund
was
sort
of
the
first
time.
Q
Ik
City
made
a
policy
choice
to
recover
fees
for
services
that
were
being
provided
to
events
that
was
sort
of
meant
to
soften
the
blow
a
little
bit,
and
so
the
council
could
take
that
up
in
a
budget
amendment
this
year
in
order
to
sort
of
soften
the
blow
for
some
of
those
events
of
this
change.
If
you
didn't
want
to
delay
the
effective
date,
so
those
are
just
some
options
to
consider.
H
Is
there
a
way-
and
this
may
be
more
for
staff
I'm-
not
sure
so-
is
to
kind
of
look
at
what
the
economic
loss
to
this
city
would
be
if
these
larger
events
decided
to
not
participate
here
in
the
city
with
us,
because
I
know
that
that
is
a
very
real
possibility
and
I
know
that
through
fees
and
these
types
of
fees
and
rental
fees
and
service
fees,
the
city
does
at
least
recoup
some
so
it'd
be
interesting.
I
think
to
look
at
sort
of
that
balance
for
some
of
these
larger
events.
H
If
there
was
a
way
to
either
look
at,
waiving
fees
are
having
a
possibility
or
a
policy
of
not
if
it's
a
non-profit
or
something
along
those
lines.
If
it
makes
some
sort
of
economic
sense
of
what
we
could
potentially
lose
versus
whatever
amount
we
may
gain
by
raising
fees
right,
I
think
that
that
is
something
we
need
to
be
looking
at
as
well
and
again,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
a
task
for
you
or
a
task
for
staff,
but
something
along
those
lines
would
be
helpful.
For
me.
Q
I
think
that
the
most
recent
economic
impact
analysis
for
some
of
these
events
was
done
by
the
economic
development
department
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
been
in
contact
with
them,
but
maybe
as
staff
we
can
check
in
with
them
and
see
what
some
of
their
recent
research
showed
and
then
maybe
have
that
conversation
again.
I
know
that
the
public
hearing
for
this
isn't
until
the
six
so
there's
some
time
to
sort
of
figure
out
some
of
that
information.
Q
A
H
This,
like
the
heart
of
the
city
right,
so
because
I
completely
agree
with
you,
madam
chair,
that
that
it
isn't
just
an
economic
issue,
there's
much
more
to
it
than
that,
but
maybe
some
of
that
economic
foundation
will
help
kind
of
start.
That
conversation
as
well
or
just
give
me
another
piece
of
the
puzzle
counts.
O
R
G
R
O
I,
don't
want
to
get
too
deep
down
this
rabbit
hole,
but
it
came
up
earlier
in
a
conversation
with
councilmember
Fowler.
When
we
were
talking
about
this
and
since
we
have
Jennifer
and
Aaron
here,
the
City
Council
took
action
I.
Think
in
2015
before
I
was
a
part
of
this
body
on
3rd
south
to
create
a
festival
street
right.
Didn't
we
formally
decide
to
shrink.
A
O
Station
center,
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
was
the
council's
intent
to
create
this
festival
Street
and
we're
we
hoping
at
some
point
to
shift
all
of
our
events
away
from
Washington,
Square
and
library
square?
Over
to
this,
do
you
recall
I'm
just
curious
what
what
the
goal
was
there
and
if
you
could
speak
to
that
at
all
right
now,.
Q
From
what
I
recall
from
the
conversations,
it
was
more
of
an
RDA
driven
conversation
I,
don't
think
it
was
a
council
action.
It
was
the
RDA
adoption
of
the
Station
Center
area
plan.
So
it's
not
necessarily
a
governing
document
for
city
policy.
It's
necessarily
and
I
think
that
in
fact,
some
of
the
recent
budget
choices
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
to
raise
you
know
special
event.
Q
Fees
in
the
last
couple
of
years
have
considered
more
the
aspect
of
wanting
to
retain
activities
in
the
core
of
downtown,
rather
than
to
your
point,
rather
than
seeing
them
go
other
places,
and
so
I
think
that
was
the
genesis
of
the
grant
funds
for
these
events
to
apply
and
defray
the
cost.
But
that's
certainly
a
conversation,
maybe
places
where
it's
less
expensive
for
these
events
to
hold
to
hold
their
events.
I
know
that
the
administration's
been
in
conversation
with
some
of
the
events
about
ways
to
make
their
event
less
expensive.
R
R
R
G
Madam
chair
I
may
make
a
suggestion:
it's
not
binding
for
the
sake
of
budgetary
clarity,
how
it
has
if
we
were
to
sort
of
do
something
to
help
offset
the
cost
of
this
on
a
going-forward
basis
going
forward.
I
would
hesitate
to
just
waive
or
do
something
internally
in
their
budget,
I'd
like
to
see
the
true
cost
of
what
they're
having
to
do
shown
in
the
budget.
Q
G
G
F
Well,
I
mean
I,
do
appreciate
this
I
really
understand
that
they
sort
of
the
position
that
you're
in
but
I
I
would
feel
a
lot
better
if
we
could
go
back
and
communicate
with
some
of
these
organizations
that
have
been
such
a
huge
asset
to
our
city.
I.
Don't
really
want
this
to
be
the
straw
that
breaks
their
back
and
terms
of
relocating.
So
thank
you.
Yeah.
O
A
I've
got
some
wrap-up,
then,
if
for
you,
but
also
for
our
staff,
that
we
have
heard
that
we
may
want
to
hold
off
on
this
one
until
it
sounds
like
you've
had
conversations
with
those
who
will
be
most
impacted
financially,
but
that
we
would
like
to
hear
feedback
on
the
potential
impact
to
their
operations.
From
this
proposed
increase
that
we.
A
R
A
A
G
I
would
I
also
suggest
that
the
big
events
will
get
the
attention,
because
it's
a
massive
amount
of
money
for
them,
but
I
think
the
smaller
events
are
equally,
if
not
more
impacted,
because
if
your
budget
is
$500
and
your
refuse
fee
goes
up
$100,
it's
a
much
bigger
chunk
of
your
budget.
Perhaps
so
I
want
to
leave
those
kind
of
smaller
ones
out
that
are
applying
for
these.
The
support,
neighborhood
celebrations
and
the
small
ones.
So
so.
Q
And,
and
what
I'm
hearing
just
to
add
to
your
question
is
not
only
the
financial
impact
like
this
event
will
have
to
a
480
more
dollars,
but,
having
maybe
like
a
follow-up
conversation
to
say
to
the
event,
would
that
$480
increase
cause
you
to
change
your
event,
cause
you
to
relocate
your
event,
cause
you
to
not
have
your
event,
those
kinds
of
more
more
of
a
conversation,
as
opposed
to
like
the
dollar
figure.
Yes,.
A
S
Lin
I
believe
is
on
his
way
as
well
for
the
next
legislative
update
and
so
we're
gonna
just
address
northwest
quadrant
and
I'm
gonna
start
just
by
kind
of
giving
a
general
update
from
last
since
last
Tuesday
and
then
Ken
has
a
little
bit
more
follow-up
as
far
as
a
meeting
today
great
so
as
I
mentioned
last
week's
update
last
Tuesday
council
chair
and
the
mayor
cindy
myself
and
katie
lewis
met
with
than
last
tuesday,
representative
gibson
senator
stevenson
and
speaker.
He
was
staff.
S
S
What
we're
talking
about,
and
if
you
recall
when
the
council
did
the
the
informational,
the
briefing
economic
development
and
RDA
presented
a
map
that
shows
two
different
CRA
areas,
one
the
current
CRA,
not
including
the
landfill
that
has
already
been
initiated
and
approved,
and
then
the
potential
creating
a
second
CRA
south
of
I-80.
And
there
seemed
to
be
some
general
agreement
with
the
legislature.
Looking
at
those
two
primary
areas.
S
Formulating
long
term
what
a
governing
entity
should
and
could
look
like,
and
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
that
governing
entity,
and
so
what
we've
discussed
about
from
discussed
from
the
city
is
that
we
could
move
in
that
direction
of
looking
at
this
governing
entity.
But
we
also
want
to
recognize
that
a
business
plan
is
an
important
part
of
formulating
that
long
term.
So
it's
kind
of
where
the
discussions
have
continued
to
be
council,
member
and
council
chairman,
and
how
you
were
in
that
meeting.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
add
specifically
to
last
week.
M
S
Pretty
high
level
still
the
takeaway
last
Thursday
was
that
a
smaller
team
from
the
city
in
the
state
would
meet
this
week,
particularly
the
drafting
attorney
for
the
legislature
and
and
Katie
Lewis
and
city
staff,
as
well
as
actually
property
owners
were
were
involved
as
well.
Today
and
and
Ken
can
give
a
kind
of
a
high-level
overview
of
what
the
meeting
was
this
afternoon
by
this
morning.
Sorry.
I
Actually,
two
meetings
to
give
you
an
update
with
first.
The
meeting
this
morning
was
myself
and
Katie
from
the
city
and
then
Bob
Reese.
Some
of
you
may
be
acquainted
with
is
a
drafting
attorney
with
legislative
research
and
general
counsel,
and
then
representatives
from
the
private
property
owners.
I
All
the
work
that
has
been
done
by
the
city
at
this
point
can
be
brought
into
play
with
that,
so
that
the
business
community,
the
legislature
and
the
city
can
feel
comfortable
in
the
direction
that
it's
going.
Katie
did
a
wonderful
job
outlining
the
ideas
that
the
city
feels
strongly
about.
I
would
say
that
they
were
well-received
at
this
point.
It's
it's
a
little
frustrating
because
you're
you
get
to
a
point
where
you
have
to
hurry
up
and
wait
and
they
still
have
to
draft
the
legislation.
I
There's
a
lot
of
bills
and
other
types
of
things
that
are
going
on
from
it
from
the
appropriations
process.
But
I
can
speak
fairly,
confidently
that
we
know
it'll
get
done
and
they'll
there's
still
be
additional
discussions
that
will
be
taking
place,
but
I
would
say
that
it
was
very
positive.
There's
a
good
tone
about
this.
I
Senator
Jerry
Stevenson
from
the
Senate
former
mayor
and
Layton
is
the
will
be
the
Senate
sponsor
of
the
bill,
and
not
only
does
he
understand
your
concerns,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
he's
heard
there
your
your
issues,
but
there's
also
a
need
in
a
field
that
they
want
to
memorialize
this
and
be
able
to
have
something
that
everybody
can
understand.
The
ground
rules.
Some
of
the
points
that
were
made
that
brought
up
that
are
details
that
have
to
be
addressed
and
can't
be
addressed
later
or
things.
O
You
both
for
joining
us
today
any
possibility.
You
could
speak
to
more
detail
on
what
you
expect
to
be
in
the
bill.
Obviously
you
haven't
read
anything,
but
you
mentioned
that
they
want
to
see
a
framework.
This
act
this
session.
So
in
your
mind,
you
know
if
Salt
Lake
City
retains
our
taxing
authority
and
our
land
use
control.
What
might
the
framework?
What
would
the
scaffolding
of
this
inland
port
Northwest
quad
look
like?
That?
Would
work
well
with
us.
Can
you
speak
to
that?
O
S
But
some
of
the
themes
that
we're
talking
about
so
the
boundaries,
the
the
other
piece
I,
think
we
we,
we
have
been
again
sound
like
to
purposely
sound
a
little
bit
like
a
broken
record.
We
think
that
this
governing
entity
laying
out
one
of
its
key
tasks,
needs
to
be
that
business
plan
and-
and
let
me
be
really
clear
that,
from
both
the
administration
and
and
I
won't
speak
for
the
council,
but
but
I
think
reflected
in
in
in
in
in
the
counsel's
remarks
as
well.
S
S
We
are
very
jealously
protective
of
the
legislative
process
at
the
city
and
don't
think
that
we
are
comfortable
allowing
this
entity
to
have
appeal
responsibilities
over
the
council's
land-use
decisions,
but
administrative
land-use
decisions
may
be
one
of
those
areas
and
that
it
would
be
done
very
much
in
the
same
framework
as
it's
done
today
within
the
framework
of
our
ordinances.
Whereas,
as
you
know,
if
the
Planning
Commission
makes
a
decision
and
it's
appealed,
we
have
three
officers
to
choose
from
well.
Maybe
that
process
is
mimicked
through
this
appeal
and
responsibility
through
the
governing
entity.
S
S
H
We've
all
had
our
discussions
and
and
are
moving
forward
in
those
discussions
with
the
state
and
again
I
think
that
we
very
much
are
all
in
support
together.
My
fear,
however,
is
that
this
state
is
going
to
say
here's
our
legislation
and
it
takes
away
your
tax
increments
and
it
takes
away
your
land
use
and
there
we
go
thanks
for
the
conversation
on
a
scale
of
one
to
ten,
pretty
easy
and
speculative
answer
here
on
a
scale
of
one
to
ten.
How
realistic
is
my
fear,
you're.
H
S
So
so
let
me
just
draw
that
line
in
the
sand.
I
actually
am
pretty
confident
that
that's
not
going
to
happen,
I
think,
echoing
what
Ken
saying
that
there's
a
shared
desire
to
be
partners
here
and
we
continue
from
our
n-
we
emphasize
it
and
they
emphasize
it
back.
Are
there
going
to
be
some
disagreements
along
the
way?
I
think
so?
I
mean
I'm,
not
Pollyanna,
but
not
naive.
S
I
think
that
initial
draft
of
the
legislation
there
may
be
some
points
in
there
that
we're
going
to
be
negotiating
on,
but
in
terms
of
land
use,
Authority
and
taxing
authority.
I
am
actually
feeling
pretty
good
about
our
ability
to
maintain
that
I
think
there's
a
recognition
by
by
many
at
the
state
that.
S
We
all
play
an
important
role,
meaning
different
levels
of
government
play
an
important
role
and
have
certain
responsibilities
and
and
I
think
what
we're
asking
for
is
to
respect
that
in
maintaining
that
taxing
authority
and
land
use
Authority
and
that
actually,
we
can
create
something
stronger
by
doing
so.
So
right
now,
I'm
actually
kind
of
confident
that
that
that
scenario
won't
happen.
But
I
will
also
be
the
first
to
admit
when
I'm
wrong.
I
Wanted
to
be
come
back
to
your
original
question
council
member
kitchen.
When
you
look
at
the
board,
members
I
think
there's
a
clear
recognition.
This
is
something
that
is
unique
of
what's
being
proposed
out
there,
and
so
you
need
a
set
of
very
definitive
type
of
individuals
who
have
certain
skill
sets.
I
This
is
this
is
not
like
just
a
regular
board
that
you
know
where
you're
looking
to
appoint
people,
so
I
would
anticipate
in
the
legislation
that
when
we
talk
about
a
governing
structure,
the
individuals
there'll
be
certain
types
of
qualifications
that
they'll
want
to
have.
You'll
want
to
have
someone
with
a
finance
background
or
and
I'm
just
speculating,
but
you
know
International
Marketing
those
types
of
types
of
things.
I
G
I
G
I'm
glad
there
have
been
positive
in
tone
I'm
glad
that
sounds
like
been
productive
to
this
point.
I'm
also
glad
to
hear
that
some
of
the
complexities
of
private
development
agreements
and
current
private
land
owners
and
and
that
sort
of
those
issues
are
being
brought
into
the
discussion
at
this
point
just
two
questions.
S
S
O
Sort
of
related
I.
Well
let
me
preface
this
by
saying
it's
been
a
little
bit
clunky
to
have
all
these
different
governmental
organizations.
Try
to
work
together
to
hammer
out
this
new
idea,
or
this
big
idea.
I
should
say,
and
so
I
think
I'm
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
I'm
really
proud
of
the
administration
and
council
and
state
leadership
as
well.
I
think
that
we've
worked
really
well
together
and
I.
Think
operation
Rio
Grande
really
did
set
the
groundwork
for
a
really
productive
dialogue
between
the
city
and
the
state.
O
So
I'm
really
thrilled
with
that,
but
I
did
receive
an
interesting
phone
call
from
the
press
today
that
raised
a
question
about
the
airport
and
I
had
no
idea
what
they
were
talking
about.
So
do
you
have
any
information
on
will
if
there's
anything
that
you
know
in
the
works
at
the
legislature
with
regard
to
the
airport
and
how
this
ties
in
to
the
Northwest
quad
and
the
global
trade
area?
If
it's
worth
speaking
about
right
now,
I'm.
S
We
don't
think
there
is
anything
currently
being
discussed
at
the
legislature
regarding
state
takeover
of
the
airport.
There
was
legislation
that
came
out
this
weekend,
I
believe
Senate
bill,
200
senator
Harper
that
transfers
some
of
the
responsibilities
under
the
tax
commission
having
to
do
with
not
going
to
tell
you
but
they'll
get
it
wrong.
Some
of
the
responsibilities
of
the
tax
cut.
The
tax
commission
has
with
the
airport
and
value
valuing
airplanes
and
things
like
that
and
moving
that
under
the
Department
of
Transportation.
S
Our
team
has
reviewed
that
our
airport
team
has
reviewed.
That
and
his
support
is
it's
not
opposed
to
that
doesn't
involve
us.
That
is
the
only
piece
of
legislation
right
now
or
that
we're
aware
of,
and
that
we're
anticipating
having
to
do
with
the
airport
we
have
and
in
the
conversations
and
good
conversations
I,
think
there's
a
general
understanding
about
the
importance
right
now.
S
Timing,
wise
in
discussions
of
the
airport
with
the
bond
and
how
that
could
be
impacted,
plus
bill
Wyatt,
had
an
opportunity,
along
with
Delta
executives
and
the
mayor,
to
meet
with
key
legislators
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Just
to
talk
about
the
project
and
the
brand-new
airport
that's
being
built
and
those
were
extremely
positive
and
well
received,
and
so
we're
not
seeing
anything
that
we
don't
anticipate
anything.
O
K
F
F
F
S
There's
always
a
lot
of
chatter,
a
lot
of
rumors
that
happen
during
the
legislative
session,
and
sometimes
it's
unintentional,
and
sometimes
it
may
be
a
little
intentional.
But
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
very
responsive
to
you
and
can
answer
your
question.
So
if
you
ever
have
that
fear
again
or
you
know,
ank's,
please,
please
please
reach
out
to
us
in
terms
of
the
timeline
on
the
drafting
of
the
legislation.
That's
that
really
rests
right
now
with
the
legislature
and
and
the
draft
an
attorney
mr.
S
S
Have
already
passed
and
there's
there's
a
deadline,
every
every
piece
of
legislation
must
have
at
least
one
hearing,
and
so
at
some
point
during
the
legislative
session
committee,
hearings
will
will
cease
and
so
that's
kind
of
a
deadline.
But
committee
hearings
can
be
scheduled
along
with
24
hours
of
those
okay
to.
I
S
Let
me
also
just
clearly
say
that
I,
don't
think
that
I
know
from
our
end.
I
can
speak
very
confidently
from
our
and
that
we're
not
playing
games,
we're
not
and
and
I,
don't
feel
like
the
legislature
is
either
they
have
engaged
some
of
the
community
organizations.
There
is
a
town
hall,
this
Saturday
senator
Escamilla
and
representative
Holland,
and
from
my
understanding,
speaker,
Hughes
and
represent
of
Gibson
senator
students.
F
S
I
Those
two
is
critical
and
the
outcome
is
important,
but
I
think
equally
as
important
as
the
outcome
is
the
process
in
which
you
guys
have
collectively
come
together
with
them,
and
it's
something
to
build
on.
So
you
know.
Is
it
nerve-wracking,
but
there's
a
lot
at
stake
on
both
ends,
and
you
know
both
of
them
want
to
get
it
right.
So
that's.
A
So
there
is
a
capacity
for
bringing
a
lot
to
the
balance
of
the
conversation
there
with
two
very
different
calendared
bodies,
even
and
I,
think
the
city
is
fulfilling
its
role
and
that
capacity
very
well
and
the
state
is
appreciative
just
to
some
extent
that
we're
still
in
the
conversation.
So
with
that.
Thank
you
both
for
giving
us
this
update
David.
If
we
could
keep
you
at
the
table,
ken
Bullock.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
expertise
and
time,
and
could
we
invite
Lin
pace
up
here
for
item
12
on
our
agenda?
E
A
E
E
The
first
is
the
the
bill
that
that
all
of
legislative
leadership
has
talked
about
as
the
homeless,
homelessness,
funding
bill
and
and
there's
not
been
a
lot
a
lot
further
discussion
about
what
that
means,
except
to
say
that
they
wanted
to
have
a
bill
that
would
brought
more
money
into
the
equation.
As
that
dialogue
has
evolved,
it's
become
pretty
apparent
that
there
are
two
proposals
out
there.
One
of
those
neither
these
bills
have
been
released
yet.
E
So
this
is
just
discussion,
but
one
of
those
would
be
a
bill
that
would
assess
or
collect
funds
from
cities
to
help
fund
the
operation
of
the
homeless
resource
centers,
so
that
would
either
go
to
shelter
the
homeless
or
the
road
home
or
to
division
of
Workforce
Services
than
to
be
a
portion
out,
but,
most
importantly,
that
would
be
money
that
would
not
go
to
the
host
communities,
so
Salt
Lake
City
would
not
receive
any
that
money.
That's
proposal
number
one
proposal.
E
Number
two
is
a
similar
bill
again,
would
assess
funds
from
all
of
the
cities
around
the
state,
but
those
funds
would
be
pooled
and
would
be
available
to
host
communities
to
defray
the
costs
incurred
by
those
communities
in
hosting
those
shelters.
The
rationale
behind
both
of
these
bills
is
that
homelessness
is
well.
The
homelessness
is
a
statewide
concern.
The
burden
of
providing
the
the
resources
falls
disproportionately
on
a
certain
certain
narrow
range
of
communities
that
host
those
facilities,
Salt
Lake,
City,
being
one
of
those,
and
so,
as
the
speaker
has
said
more
than
once.
E
But
those
are
two
very
different
models
and
there
are
more
details
than
that
in
terms
of
how
its
funded,
which
cities
contribute,
which
cities
would
be
eligible
to
receive,
funding
the
mechanism
for
providing
that
funding,
whether
it's
a
sales
tax
model
or
a
property
tax
model.
But
if
you
have
a
policy
direction
on
which
of
those
two
bills
you
would
like
us
to
pursue,
that
would
be.
That
would
be
welcomed
because
that's
going
to
start
moving
very
quickly.
Councilmember.
G
And
excuse
me
for
steppin
states
and
things
these
actually
are
trying
to
address
two
different
issues,
though
they
sound
very
similar
and
it's
getting
confused
sometimes.
But
the
one
issue
is
just
the
offsetting
police
fire
infrastructure
problems
that
you
may
incur
by
hosting
two
of
these
in
Salt
Lake
City
and
South
Salt
Lake
hosting
it
particularly
South
Salt
Lake
in
smaller
communities,
where
they
don't
have
the
internal
resources
in
their
city
a
period
to
do
this,
so
getting
that
from
other
cities
to
offset
those
costs
is
one
issue,
just
infrastructure
issues
right.
G
The
second
one
is
something
that
I'm
worried
about
funding
operations
in
these
facilities,
and
so
the
other
bill
he
talked
about
was
about
assessing
some
amount
of
money
from
other
cities
to
actually
pay
operating
costs.
That's
people
running
these
facilities.
Those
kind
of
things
so
address
two
different
issues
and
both
of
them
are
very
important.
G
However,
they
are
very
different
in
the
fact
that
the
one
would
go
directly
to
a
city
city's,
paying
a
city,
the
other
one
would
be
cities
paying
into
a
fund
either
by
DWS,
a
state
entity
or
a
private
nonprofit
like
childhood.
Almost
night
from
my
hearing
conversations
and
some
meetings,
that's
a
big
issue
for
folks.
The
difference
between
those
two
I'd
still
want
to
confuse
that
they're
trying
to
to
address
two
very
different
problems
and
issues
of
I'm
in
front
of
us
so
and
for
Salt,
Lake
City.
G
E
George
or
others
who
would
be
hosting
facilities.
The
second
bill,
sponsored
by
representative
Ellison,
is
focused
more
on
providing
funds
for
the
cost
of
operating
the
facilities
and
and
so
they're
very
different
different
models.
The
numbers
are
about
the
same,
but
both
bills
look
to
assess
to
all
of
this.
All
of
these
cities,
those
costs
and.
E
Have
been
two
mechanisms
discussed,
one
is
taking
that
amount
off
the
top
of
the
sales
tax
before
it
is
distributed
to
to
local
communities,
because
sales
tax
is
collected
by
the
state,
and
so
they
could
take
those
costs
off
the
top
before
the
funds
are
disbursed.
The
other
model
that
has
been
discussed
is
something
that
would
involve
property
tax,
where
there
would
be
an
assessment
made
and
if
payment
hasn't
been
made
by
the
date
property
taxes
are
dispersed.
Those
funds
would
then
be
redirected
to
the
state
in
in
the
appropriate
amount
and.
E
So,
actually,
right
now,
both
of
them
are
talking
about
using
the
sales
tax
as
the
mechanism
for
collecting
those
funds,
because
that's
the
easiest
mechanism
for
the
state,
the
league,
League
of
cities
and
towns
has
been
reluctant
to
have
the
state
start
reaching
into
our
sales
tax
dollars
and
so
they've
been
exploring
other
models.
I
don't
know
if
that
other
model
will
come
to
fruition
or
not,
but
there's
been
dialogue
about
that
possibility.
Madam.
S
Chair,
if
I
could
just
make
a
comment
about
those
two
pieces
of
legislation
as
well,
the
representative
you
listens
bill
or
the
it's
not
drafted
yet
so
the
conversation
of
funding
of
this
funding
source
to
fund
the
Resource
Center's
operations,
the
resource
centers,
is
a
new
piece
of
the
conversation.
When
this
issue
first
came
up
last
year,
representative
Ellison
ran
legislation.
It
was
to
provide
the
funding
to
the
cities
for
mitigation,
so
there's
some
some
conversation
about
whether
or
not
that
funding
source
for
operations.
S
If
this
is
the
right
source,
if
that's
even
needed,
part
of
the
initial
twenty
seven
million
dollar
ask
was
ongoing
dollars
for
operations
and
then
also
as
a
part
of
the
plan
developed
with
between
the
city
of
the
county
in
the
state
was
the
shifting
of
resources
as
the
road
home,
the
downtown
shelter
closes
to
the
new
resource
centers.
So
it's
kind
of
a
different
dynamic
than
was
there
initially
last
year
and.
A
S
E
Again,
depending
on
the
sponsor,
their
objectives
are
different.
The
senator
Davis
has
been
primarily
concerned
in
making
sure
that
those
communities
that
were
forced
to
accept
homeless
shelters
have
the
adequate
adequate
resources
to
to
provide
those.
On
the
other
hand,
representative
II
listens.
Bill
is
focused
more
on
making
sure
the
providers
have
adequate
funds
to
staff
and
operate
these
facilities.
E
The
the
second
piece
of
piece
of
legislation
that
I
wanted
to
alert
you
to
is
the
transportation
discussion,
as
I've
mentioned
to
you
before,
there's
one
sort
of
Omnibus
transportation
bill,
that
is,
that
is
becoming
the
transportation
bill
and
squeezing
out
a
lot
of
the
others
or
all
of
the
other.
Smaller
transportation
bills
are
getting
wrapped
up
in
that
one.
The
challenge
that
they're
wrestling
with
is
how
to
fund
what
they
have
in
mind
that
bear
in
mind
this
bill.
Senate
bill,
136
sponsored
by
Senator
Harper.
E
One
of
the
primary
objectives
is
to
restructure
the
Utah
Transit
Authority
and
reform
the
board.
That
does
not
appear
to
be
very
controversial
and
that
that
is
sort
of
settled.
What
they're
wrestling
with
is
that
another
provision
of
the
bill
that
would
open
up
the
state
transportation
infrastructure
fund
for
transit,
so
those
state
transportation
funds
would
be
eligible
to
use
on
transit
transit
projects
in
a
lot
of
areas
of
the
state
that
are
not
as
excited
about
transit
as
a
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
Salt
Lake
County.
E
Are
those
legislators
are
concerned
that
opening
up
that
fund
to
other
projects
will
dilute
the
fund
and
make
less
money
available
for
the
critical
road
projects
so
they're?
Well,
while
they
think
that's
the
right
way
to
go
they're
concerned
about
not
just
increasing
the
the
uses
for
the
fund
but
increasing
the
size
of
the
fund,
so
that
discussion
has
taken
two
forms.
One
is
a
legislative
mandate
that
will
say
if
those
counties
that
have
not
yet
adopted
prop
1
have
not
done
so
by
2022.
The
state
will
do
it.
E
E
E
Then
they
put
in
some
other
miscellaneous
pieces,
an
increase
in
the
transient
room
tax
and
increase
in
the
car
rental
tax,
an
increase
in
electric
and
hybrid
vehicle
registration
fees,
miscellaneous
things
there's
been
a
fair
amount
of
friction
on
those
other
miscellaneous
funding
items
enough
so
that
many
of
those
may
either
be
reduced
or
disappear
from
the
final
bill
that
has
left
the
legislature.
Still
many
legislators
thinking
that
they
need
to
do
more
to
increase
the
size
of
the
Transportation
Fund.
E
But
what
we
have
emphasized
is
to
preserve
what
they
have
in
place,
meaning
the
existing
authorization
for
transit.
The
four
quarters
that
have
been
authorized,
even
though,
even
if
those
have
not
been
enacted
yet
and
if
they're
looking
for
additional
funding
to
add
something
to
that
I,
don't
know
if
they
will
do
so.
I'm
not
sure
what
it
would
look
like
if
they
did,
but
they
are
wrestling
with
increases
with
allowing
for
increased
requests
to
be
made
from
the
fund
without
having
an
increase
in
funding.
E
So
that's
the
that's
one
challenge
that
we're
running
into
on
the
transportation
bill.
Another
piece
that
you
ought
to
be
aware
of
is
that
the
there's
a
provision
of
the
bill
that
would
allow
for
governing
entities
to
use
what
they're
calling
value-added
to
as
a
financing
mechanism
for
transportation.
That's
in
essence,
something
that
says.
If
we're
going
to
put
in
a
road
and
thereby
increase
the
value
of
the
adjacent
properties,
we
can
collect
some
portion
of
the
tax
increment
from
the
increase
in
the
value
of
those
properties
to
help
fund
the
road
project.
So.
E
Q
E
One
of
the-
and
this
is
the
reason
I
was
bringing
it
up-
is
because
the
bill
at
present
says
that
that
to
government
one
or
more
governmental
entities
can
enter
into
an
interlocal
agreement
to
utilize
that
tax
increment
value.
We
need
to
make
sure
the
bill
reflects
that
one
of
those
governmental
entities
has
to
be
the
city,
because
we
don't
want
the
county
and
the
state
agreeing
to
do
an
interlocal
agreement
with
our
tax
increment.
So
we
just
need
to
get
that
wrinkle
taken
care
of
make
sure
that
I
detail
anyway
we're
working
on
that.
E
We
actually
think
that's
a
useful
tool,
but
it
needs
to
be
crafted
so
that
we're
clear
as
to
what
the
scope
is
and
to
who
is
able
to
make
those
decisions
for
the
use
of
those
revenues.
Anyway,
that's
the
transportation
bill.
As
I've
said,
there
been
other
smaller
transportation
bills
around
the
periphery,
but
they've
all
sort
of
gotten
stalled,
because
this
is
the
main
event
and
they
all
impact
this
big
bill.
The
third
issue
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention,
is
just
what's
happening
on
the
water
bills.
E
That
you're,
aware
of
there
are
about
six
water
bills,
some
well
there's
probably
about
a
dozen
water
bills,
but
six
that
we're
really
concerned
about
and
monitoring
the
the
most
significant
of
those
are
one
House
bill
135,
which
would
restrict
Salt
Lake
City's,
extraterritorial
jurisdiction.
That
bill
was
in
committee,
Friday
it
was
held
and,
as
things
are
at
the
legislature,
they
you
know
they
come
back
so
tomorrow,
it's
in
committee
again,
and
we
will-
we
will
be
speaking
to
that
bill.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
yes,
tomorrow
morning
you
mentioned
this
that
the
representative
Noelle's
bill
is
coming
back
but
says
representative
Coleman's
both
seem
to
be
resurrected
after
having
been
held
on
Friday
evening.
So
have
you
have
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
second
substitute
on
Noelle's
bill?
Yes,.
E
P
E
Bill
the
bill
essentially
takes
the
extraterritorial
jurisdiction
of
cities,
the
first
class,
which
is
currently
Ridgeland
Ridgeland
and
reduces
it
to
two
the
same
as
is
used
by
every
other
city
in
the
state,
and
that
is
three
hundred
feet
on
either
side
of
the
stream
and
a
certain
radius
upstream
from
a
wellhead.
Okay,.
E
But
I
as
council
members,
you
know
things
don't
really
die
at
the
legislature.
It's
kind
of
like
The,
Princess,
Bride
they're
just
nearly
dead,
and
they
can
come
back
at
any
given
point,
but
so
I
think
what
will?
What
will
the
same
parties
still
have
the
same
positions
on
these
bills,
but
I
think
I.
Think
what
we'll
so
I
don't
think.
There's
been
any
dramatic
change
in
position
and
we'll
see
where
the
see
where
the
vote
goes
tomorrow,
as
I
mentioned
the
bills.
E
We
are
most
concerned
about
our
representative
Noelle's
bill
and
represented
Stratton's
proposed
constitutional
amendment
among
the
other
bills
that
we're
concerned
about
one
would
be
representative
Coleman's
bill.
We
have
been
attempting
to
amend
that
bill
in
a
way
that
would
be.
That
would
be
acceptable
to
us.
She's
refused
that
that
dialogue
is
continuing.
E
We
are,
we
have
amended
that
bill
to
our
satisfaction,
so
we
support
that
bill
come,
but
that's
a
good
that
bill
is
a
good
example
of
what
we're
after
and
that
is
that
that
bill
was
raised
last
session,
lots
of
unanswered
questions.
It
went
through
a
year
of
interim
study
and
we
were
able
to
bring
that
back
with
all
parties
on
board
and
it
became
a
consensus
bill.
We
really
think
that's
the
model
for
good
water
legislation,
but
I
understand
sponsors
would
like
to
get
their
bills
passed
now
and
we've.
E
Hb
124
and
HB
136
is
the
bill
that
was
dealing
with
federal
designation
that
would
have
affected
the
central
Wasatch
Commission
and
mountain
Accord
would
have
required
us
to
get
permission
of
the
legislature
before
seeking
federal
designation.
We
got
that
bill
amended
so
that
the
bill
now
only
requires
us
to
at
some
point
consult
with
the
interim,
the
legislative,
a
Natural,
Resources,
Committee,
and
so
that
bill
is
has
been
negotiated
to
a
point
to
where
it's
acceptable
to
us
and
it
actually
passed
the
House.
Today.
It's
good.
A
A
S
A
E
Thing
I
should
mention,
although
I
will
note
that
councilmember
Rogers
is
not
present,
he
asked
to
be
alerted
if
there
were
any
billboard
bills.
What
would
a
session
be
without
a
billboard
bill?
We
do
have
a
billboard
legislation
House
bill
361.
The
bill
in
its
present
form
is
awful,
we're
working
on
it
and
we
have
committed
to
work
with
the
stakeholders
to
see
if
we
can
identify
a
fair
process
that
can
be
incorporated
in
the
code
we've
given
them.
Our
proposal
they're
considering
that.
E
The
issue
is
there:
were
there
have
been
a
couple
of
lawsuits
that
Salt
Lake
City
had
relative
to
decisions
we
made
to
purchase
billboards
rather
than
to
allow
them
to
relocate
those.
Those
lawsuits
have
played
out
in
court,
and
so
we
got
court
rulings
based
upon
the
existing
statute.
I
would
just
note
that
the
city
prevailed
on
all
counts.
The
Billboard
industry
was
not
pleased
with
the
results,
and
so
they
would
like
to
change
the
statutory
framework
accordingly
and
the
it
is
it
is.
E
E
G
E
Is
one
possibility,
and,
and
so
just
to
get
a
little
bit
more
into
detail
on
representative
Ellison's
bill?
They
were
going
to
raise
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
fund
the
operations
that
amount.
The
three
point
five
would
be
assessed
to
cities
across
the
state,
the
cities
that
host
one
of
the
facilities
would
be
exempt,
and
then
the
amount
that
you
would
be
charged
would
depend
in
part
on
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
you
have
in
your
community.
E
E
One
of
the
challenges
we've
run
into
as
you
get
into
that
is
that,
once
you
start
carving
out
exemptions,
it's
much
harder
to
administer
the
tax
for
one
thing,
and
second,
every
year,
you'd
have
to
recalculate
the
formula,
because
if
city
x--
builds
more
affordable
housing,
then
next
year,
city,
wise
portion
of
the
bill
goes
up
and
so
it'd
be
very
difficult
to
to
have
any
predictability
as
to
how
much
your
bill
was
going
to
be
because
it
depends
on
what
everybody
else
does
in
the
next
year.
The
other
challenge
is
that
they
were
they.
E
There
was
some
talk
about
giving
credit
for
not
just
the
amount
of
affordable
that
exists,
but
also
your
efforts
like
CDBG
money
or
money
in
your
RDA
funds
that
was
dedicated
toward
housing
projects.
Once
you
started
calculating
in
all
of
those
credits,
you
got
less
and
less
cities
paying
the
bill,
and
so
the
amount
those
remaining
cities
were
paying
kept
going
up
and
so
I
think.
There's
some
significant
challenges
with
trying
to
to
merge
the
funding
of
the
resource
centers
and
an
incentive
for
affordable
housing.
E
G
E
We
thought
the
bill
was
gone,
but
it
was
back
on
the
agenda
today
for
a
committee
this
morning
if
they
did
not
get
to
it,
but
she
clearly
intends
to
continue
to
pursue
the
bill.
We
oppose
that
for
the
reason
that
we
think
it's
important
for
every
city
to
participate
in
creating
affordable
housing
and
that
that
affordable
housing
should
be
dispersed
throughout
the
county,
not
just
concentrated
in
the
in
the
urban
core.
So
we
are
opposed
to
the
bill,
but
it
appears
that
she
intends
to
pursue
it.
Okay,.
E
E
A
A
great
time
up
there
and
we'll
see
you
next
Tuesday
to
hear
more.
We've
got
three
board
appointments,
I
think
you're.
All
here
are
you
Holly
great
we're
a
couple
of
minutes
early,
but
our
first
is
actually
I.
Think
all
three
of
them
are
here
so
first
we
will
ask
Holly
Nichols
to
join
us
at
a
microphone
pick
your
mic
and
he
Michael
do,
and
this
is
for
an
appointment
to
the
sugarhouse
Park
Authority
board
Ollie
thanks
for
joining
us.
If
you
wouldn't
mind,
give
us
a
little
introduction
to
yourself.
Maybe
your
background.
B
B
Holly
Nichols
I
live
in
sugarhouse
about
a
block
away
from
the
park.
I
have
a
background
in
architecture
and
construction
from
Seattle.
Originally
graduated
during
the
recession
so
ended
up
getting
my
MBA
and
kind
of
process.
Work
ended
up
coming
out
to
Salt
Lake
to
ski,
so
doing
a
lot
of
that.
Lately,
I
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
the
board
one
because
I
use
the
park
a
lot
I'm
in
it
almost
every
day.
There's
a
lot
going
on
in
there
and
I
felt
a
little
bit
of
an
obligation
to
give
back
to
it
too.
B
I
have
a
lot
of
background
in
development
and
I.
Read
kind
of
the
9
year
plan
and
I
found
a
lot
of
places
where
I
think
I
can
be
really
helpful.
With
my
construction
architecture
background
and
then
third
I
am
a
millennial
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
ways
that
the
park
is
not
doing
a
great
job
in
letting
its
community
know.
What's
going
on
so
I'm
hoping
to
be
helpful
in
that
way
and
kind
of
spreading
to
the
greater
community
through
social
media
or
the
website
needs
some
work
in
those
kind
of
ways.
O
B
So
one
of
the
places
that
I
had
a
really
hard
time
getting
information
was
when
on
when
the
park
was
going
to
be
dredged.
So
I
went
to
the
website.
I
went
on
Facebook,
there's
an
Instagram
and
I
can't
because
that's
where
I
go
for
information-
and
there
was
nothing
there's
a
new
playground
going
in
in
April
and
we
were
talking
they
were
like
yeah.
Let's
have
a
big
opening
celebration
and
it
was
like
how
are
you
gonna
tell
people
that
that's
happening
and
currently
there's
not
a
really
good
resource.
B
I
think
the
Facebook
page
has
191
people
who,
like
it,
but
there's
more
people
than
that
on
the
playground
at
any
time
so,
and
even
I
mean
even
just
the
number
of
5k
is
every
weekend.
If
there
was
a
way
that
I
living
a
block
away
from
the
park
that
I
could
know
when
they're
going
on
so
that
I
could
join
them
or
avoid
the
park
would
be
really
great.
B
A
Thank
you
well,
thank
you,
ms
Nichols,
for
being
willing
to
volunteer
and
give
back
to
the
great
big
park
that
is
sugarhouse
and
a
part
of
your
neighborhood.
We
don't
require
you
to
stay,
we'll,
go
through
the
approval
process
in
our
formal
meeting,
and
generally
people
can
just
go
home
after
this
part
of
it.
So
we
thank
you
for
being
willing
to
serve.
Madam.
B
A
A
C
C
My
background.
I
worked
for
the
city
of
West
Jordan
for
15
years
prior
to
running
for
mayor
had
to
obviously
resign
my
position,
which
I
could
have
retired
if
I
didn't
get
elected,
which
would
have
been
fine
too,
but
because
I
worked
there
for
15
years
and
had
the
opportunity
to
be
over
streets
parks
facilities,
cemetery,
solid
waste,
those
kinds
of
things
that
the
city
I
understood,
the
city
and
so
I
wanted
to
run
to
see
if
I
could
help
and
part
of
that
was
obviously
being
on
this
board.
I'm.
C
Looking
forward
to
doing
that,
I
want
see
what
I
can
do
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
let
the
board
know
what
the
city's
needs
are
regarding
the
South
Valley
Regional
Airport,
as
we
refer
to
as
airport
number
two
down
there
in
our
city
and
we're
grateful
to
have
that
and
so
grateful
to
be.
Have
a
a
slot
on
the
board.
C
Personally,
to
myself,
I'm
married
with
seven
plus
one
kids,
24
plus
five
grandkids
I,
have
an
undergraduate
degree
in
management
and
a
Masters
in
Business
Administration
degree.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
doing
what
I
can
to
serve
on
the
board
as
well
and
to
serve
the
City
of
West
Jordan
as
their
mayor
all.
C
A
Probably
just
ask
you
to
show
up
to
the
Airport
Authority
boards
instead
of
having
to
come
back
here
with
us,
but
just
as
I
said
to
ms
Nichols,
you
need
not
stay.
We
do
our
official
approval
in
our
formal
meeting
after
seven
o'clock,
but
we
appreciate
you
coming
to
introduce
yourself
and
speak
with
us
today.
A
I
Actually
ahead
of
schedule,
so
that's
great
tell
us
all
about
you.
My
wife
and
I
moved
here
to
Salt
Lake
City
about
six
years
ago
after
I
retired
from
working
in
the
oil
and
gas
industry.
I
don't
have
a
background
in
transportation,
any
special
expertise,
but
I
do
have
an
engineering
degree.
My
backgrounds
been
engineering
and
then
operations
management,
but
after
moving
to
Salt
Lake
City
got
involved
with
our
avenues.
I
Community,
Council
and
I
served
as
the
chair
in
2016
have
been
on
the
board
for
about
five
years
now
and
after
my
time
as
chair
was
up,
I
started
looking
for
other
opportunities
to
volunteer
something
else
that
might
be
available
and
this
opening
was
coming
up
just
at
the
right
time
and
it
it's
something.
I'm
kind
of
interested
in
and
I
think
that
the
transportation
is
an
area
where
it's
it's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
for
both
kind
of
small-scale
issues
and
also
larger
ones
that
are
impact
us.
O
Thanks
for
your
interest
in
serving
mr.
alderman,
so
this
is
an
important
board
for
our
city,
especially
as
we
grow
we're
looking
to
add
twice
as
many
residents
to
the
valley
in
the
next
couple
decades
and
we
are
seeing
explosive
growth.
Can
you
talk
to
me
in
the
body
here
a
little
bit
more
about
your
philosophy
on
transportation
and
how
you
can
tie
in
multimodal
transportation
into
the
city
as
we
grow,
because
not
everybody
can
continue
to
drive
single
occupant
vehicles
right.
I
Yeah
I
think
I
think.
As
you
mentioned,
the
intermodal
you
know
the
different
opportunities
we've
got.
It's
going
to
be
a
key
one
of
the
one
of
the
challenges
is
some
of
these
things
aren't
necessarily
city
controls.
You've
got
UTA,
you've
got
you
dot,
you've
got
other
entities
that
are
also
part
of
this,
but
I
think
the
city
has
to
try
to
make
a
a
vision,
I
guess
for
all
of
those
groups
to
work
together
on
that.
I
It's
kind
of
an
interesting
thing,
because
if
you
ask
people
what's
what's
the
biggest
problem
in
Salt,
Lake
City
traffic
is
probably
not
going
to
be
the
first
thing
that
gets
mentioned
by
a
lot
of
people,
unlike
a
lot
of
cities
where
it's
number
one
on
the
list,
but
as
you
mentioned
with
the
growth
it
could
be,
you
know
if
we
keep
growing
like
this
and
we
don't
do
something
to
slow
the
use
of
everybody
bring
in
their
own
car.
It
will
be
an
issue.
F
I
Know
obviously,
I'm
not
going
to
do
any
engineering
and
in
fact
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I
actually
practiced
as
an
engineer
but
I
think
the
problem-solving
you
know
being
able
to
work
together
with
a
group.
A
lot
of
my
career
was
also
spent
working
internationally,
where
you
get
a
lot
of
diverse
opinions
and
conflicting
priorities
that
you
have
to
work
through.
I
think
that
sort
of
thing
is
good
for
this.
I
This
group
I
also
think
my
time
with
the
Community
Council
and
working
through
with
the
neighborhood
and
and
also
some
of
the
other
contacts
with
other
community
councils
is
good
because
part
of
the
role
as
I
understand
it
is
also
to
educate
and
promote
and
I
think
that's
a
good
tie
back
into
the
neighborhood.
You
know
back
to
the
community.
A
O
A
A
lot
of
opportunity,
we've
learned
from
conferences
we
go
to
and
learning
from
what
other
cities
are
implementing
to
use
sensors
and
build
smart
streets,
essentially
in
within
the
infrastructure
investments
there.
So
if
you
have
any,
you
know
if
you're
reading
the
same
articles,
we
are
then
I
hope
you
bring
that
kind
of
feedback
to
those
conversations.
I.
I
A
Q
Anything
just
briefly
I
think
we
listed
this
knowing
that
it
would
be
sort
of
open-ended
not
knowing
how
the
best
mechanism
to
follow-up
from
last
week's
discussion
on
all
the
many
funding
needs
that
are
out
there
and
the
different
kinds
of
funding
sources
that
are
out
there
and
I.
Think
staff
is
at
the
point
where
maybe
we
could
use
some
direction
from
the
council
in
terms
of
what
you
want
us
specifically
to
kind
of
go
forward
and
look
at
in
terms
of
funding
sources,
and
then
we'd
come
back
to
you
with
information.
A
Q
On
the
6th,
we
will
hear
from
the
finance
department
and
the
City
Attorney's
Office
about
a
little
bit
more
about
the
mechanics
of
a
sales
tax
or
of
the
sales
tax
option.
That's
on
the
table,
especially
as
it
relates
to
the
timing
of
when
you
might
make
that
decision
and
then,
when
the
money
will
start
flowing,
that
affects
the
total
amount
of
money.
Obviously
and
I,
think
the
question
now
of
or
if
you
guys
want
to
exercise
that
option
of
how
far
out
are
we
looking
at
in
terms
of
that
decision?
So
because.
Q
A
P
I
mean
we're
not
we're
not
gaining
anything
in
Waiting.
What
I
would
like
to
do,
though,
is
have
staff
move
forward
on
both
options.
Now,
whether
we
as
a
council,
end
up
deciding
to
move
forward,
you
know
that's
that
can
be
decided
later
on,
but
I
think
at
this
point
just
so
that
we're
not
wasting
any
time
at
all.
I
think
you
know
the
direction
not
to
be
that
we
move
forward
on
the
sales
tax
option
that
doesn't,
you
know,
hinder
the
public
process.
P
It
doesn't
bind
us
to
actually
moving
forward
with
it,
but
I
think
I
would
rather
have
everything
you
know
all
the
eyes
dotted
and
the
t's
crossed
before
we
start
having
the
discussion
about
what
the
money
is
going
to
go
to,
because
I
think
you
know.
As
far
as
you
know
whether
or
not
we
choose
to
to
move
forward
that
is
gonna
have
to
be
a
big
part
of
it.
We're
gonna
have
to
know
how
that
money
is
going
to
be
spent
I'm,
not
I,
don't
think
we
necessarily
need
to
know
what
every
you
know.
P
Specific
project
is
that
the
money
would
be
spent
on,
but
we
have
to
have
a
pretty
clear
idea
as
to
what
we're
gonna,
if
it's,
if
it's
going
to
be
infrastructure
related
if
it's
gonna
be
a
mix
of
infrastructure
and
public
safety
hey,
you
know,
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
I
think
we're.
Gonna
have
to
figure
out
very
very
soon
in
order
to
have
a
transparent
public
process.
A
Councillor
Fowler,
but
let
me
just
reiterate
thank
you
for
bringing
up
both
of
the
options,
because
the
general
obligation
bond
option
is
really
time-sensitive
and
I.
You're
I
completely
agree
that
critical
to
our
decision
is
going
to
be
our
public
process,
so
feedback
that
we
get
and
so
to
delay.
Receiving
public
feedback
is
cutting
ourselves
off
at
the
knee
yeah.
A
P
Implementation
process,
though
I
think,
is
important.
The
sales
tax,
though
we
have
to
be
really
really
careful
on
and
really
direct
on,
because
the
public
will
not
have
the
same
opportunity
to
weigh
in
you
know,
through
a
directive
vote
that
they
will
with
the
Geo
bond,
so
I
think
the
more
clear
we
can
be
the
better,
but
we
have
to.
We
have
to
start
doing
that
immediately
and.
P
H
Chair
was,
like
you
read
my
mind,
because
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
we
do
it's
a
straw
poll
on
having
staff
move
forward
with
the
public
process,
and
that's
just
because-
and
we
remember
or
excuse
me,
madam
chair,
you
probably
want
to
hear
from
other
people
that
may
have
some
ideas,
but
I
agree
with
councilmember
Luke
that
we
should
at
least
get
this
process
get.
This
party
started.
Q
You
could
ask
people
what
they
think
the
money
should
be
spent
on
and
what
they
hope
to
see
with
the
city
funding
and
then
make
your
decisions
based
on
that
input,
or
you
could
say
here-
are
our
needs
and
here's
our
way
to
fund
it
and
then
just
ask
people
what
they
think
about
that
right.
So,
but
I
think
that
it's
maybe
a
little
premature
to
answer
that
question
and
I.
Think
that
that's
where
having
some
clarity
from
you
guys
about,
are
we
at
the
point
where
we
definitely
want
to
try
to
answer
those
questions?
Q
G
Reason
I
say
that
is
because
I
don't
want
to
go
into
the
process.
Saying
here's
more
money,
let's
figure
out
what
to
do
with
it.
I
want
to
go
and
saying
here's
the
need.
Therefore,
this
is
the
revenue
we
need
to
do
this.
Those
are,
it
sounds
like
at
arbitrary
thing,
but
I
know
internally.
Each
of
us
has
had
these
discussions
already
and
saying.
This
is
what
the
need
are.
Q
F
F
A
C
A
That's
public
safety
related,
that's
not
part
of
the
ten
million
and
so
I.
Think
I
want
to
be
clear
that
for
me,
I'm
not
looking
to
raise
revenue
to
fill.
What
is
a
normal
structural
gap
that
the
administration
normally
deals
with
and
solves
for
and
what
I
am
looking
to
solve
for
is
our
priorities
of
transit,
streets,
public
safety
and
potentially
affordable
housing,
and
that
those
are
the
only
items
in
that
I'm
interested
in
us
talking
about
here.
So,
but
we
will
all
get
into
what
those
items
are
right
now.
H
A
H
A
A
Okay,
council,
members,
I,
don't
think
I
need
to
roll
call
this
one
all
those
in
favor
of
that
straw
poll
and
that's
unanimous
with
councilmember
Rogers
absent
public
process,
begins
anything
else
on
the
budget
discussion.
If
not,
we
will
call
this
meeting
concluded
and
see
you.
Okay.
Well,
we're
gonna.
Do
our
announcements
right
now,
there's
only
one.
Q
Q
They
are
asking
they're
asking
if
council
members
want
to
participate,
we're
coordinating
with
the
fire
department
to
see
if
it's
possible
for
council
members
to
write
on
one
of
their
fire
trucks
as
the
council's
done
in
years
past.
It's
pretty
cool!
So
let
the
front
office
know
ASAP
if
you're
interested
in
participating
in
the
parade.
If
you're
available
our.