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A
Genu
it
some
of
us
went
up
and
met
with
the
developer
and
community
council.
Chairperson
I,
don't
believe
that
there's
any
new
information
nicht
Arbit,
but
we
decided
to
bring
it
back
for
our
work
session.
In
case
there
was
any
additional
discussion
the
council
wanted
to
have
on
this
because
it
is
set
up
for
us
to
take
action
at
our
next
formal
meeting
on
December
11th.
A
A
C
B
I'll
give
a
quick
intro
so
also
the
applicant
is
here.
If
the
council
has
questions,
he
provided
some
more
renderings
that
we
can
go
over
it
with
him
if
you
would
like
to
basically
where
we
are,
as
this
was
briefed
back
in
October
and
had
a
public
hearing
after
the
public
hearing,
the
applicant
contacted
planning
staff
and
I
was
a
part
of
that
communication.
B
With
the
question
about
what
was
actually
being
considered
for
the
text
amendment
which
parcels
the
applicant
was
at
the
time,
he
felt
that
more
than
simply
the
coroner
parcel
which
Casey
has
highlighted
up
here
on
the
screen,
that
is
231-
that
planning
staff
felt
that
that
was
the
only
one
that
was
being
considered
for
the
text.
Amendment
and
the
applicant
thought
other
parcels
were
to
be
included
in
that.
B
Whereas
this
is
a
text
amendment
and
not
an
actual
rezone,
the
council
does
have
some
discretion
to
include
other
parcels.
So
we
went
back
just
through
the
Planning
Commission
staff
report
and
the
paperwork.
The
application
originally
did
request
that
the
text
amendment
would
be
for
south-east
corner
of
South
Washington
Street
in
900
South,
so
I
guess
just
a
reminder
for
this
zoning
district.
This
is
f
bu
and
to
where
the
heighth
is
mainly
capped
at
four
stories
or
50
feet.
B
So
the
council
staff
met
with
the
applicant
back
in
the
I
think
the
Tuesday
before
Thanksgiving.
Sorry,
some
going
back
through
in
mind
and
we
asked
that
the
applicant
provide
and
the
address
is
the
exact
addresses
of
the
parcels
to
be
included
in
the
text
amendment
and
at
that
time
is
noted
in
the
staff
report.
B
We
were
under
the
impression
that
it
was
going
to
be
the
parcels
at
231,
West,
900,
South,
221,
West,
909,
South,
Washington
Street
in
915,
South,
Washington
Street.
So
that's
four
parcels.
When
we
received
a
letter
which
is
part
of
the
paperwork,
there
was
two
additional
parcels
included
in
that.
So
at
the
time
at
this
time
with
the
council,
you
just
can
ask
questions
or,
if
there's
any
phone
questions
you
have
about
this
about
whether
or
not
it's
within
the
council's
scope
to
be
able
to
include
the
additional
parcels.
B
It
should
be
noted
that
the
applicant
did
meet
with
the
central
ninth
community
council
to
go
over
the
read
the
plans
and
the
renderings
which
are
included
in
the
paperwork.
I
think
we
have
them
printed
for
you
in
the
red
they
did
show
the
larger
project
and
central
knight.
Community
council
did
confirm
that.
That's
what
they
saw.
That's
what
they
reviewed
and
that's
what
they
do
support
moving
forward
with
so
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
A
D
Don't
know
that
I'm
the
right
person
to
answer
that
that
question,
but
what
what
I
will
tell
you
is
that
this.
So
this
zoning
district
is
a
little
bit
unusual
in
that
it's
one
of
the
only
ones
that
that
has
a
hard
different
height
requirement
on
the
corners
than
mid-block.
Now
we
do
have
in
our
downtown
d1
zone.
We
have
similar,
but
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
hard
cap.
It's
just
anything
over
a
certain
height.
It
has
to
go
through
a
process.
D
Our
ordinance
does
define
what
a
corner
property
is
and
that's
how
we
apply
those
height
regulations.
Basically,
it's
165
feet
from
the
intersection.
So
even
if
a
parcel
is
bigger
than
that,
they're
they're
extra
height
is
within
that
hundred
and
sixty
five
feet
and
that's
how
we've
applied
it
so,
for
example,
in
our
d1
zone,
if
a
building
is
wider
than
165
feet
and
part
of
that
as
beyond
that
165
is
a
above
the
100
feet
in
height.
We
require
it
to
go
through
the
design
review
process
to
get
approval.
D
A
I
can
I
just
ask
a
clarifying
question
before
Casey
jumps
in
it
sounds
like
what
you're
saying
is
that
if,
if
we
went
ahead
with
this
request,
that
has
gone
from
an
initial
description
of
a
single
parcel
to
six
parcels
now
that
we
would
say
be
setting
a
precedence
to
change
the
way
that
we
describe
what
a
corner
is
or
where
we're
willing
to
apply
corner.
Hight
allocations,
I
think.
D
Depending
on
how
they,
ultimately,
the
text
amendment
were
to
be
written,
that
obviously
is
what
we're
going
to
go
off
of,
but
we
would
need
that
so
clear
and
purposeful
that
we,
because
we
wouldn't
have
anything
else
to
back
ourselves
up
with
so
we
don't,
we,
our
definitions
would
no
longer
apply
and
how
we've
done
things
in
the
past
wouldn't
apply,
and
that's
where
it
creates
some
problems
for
us.
I.
A
D
D
A
E
Is
so
we've
yeah?
This
has
been
a
deathly,
unique
process
again,
starting
with
a
different
planner
having
him
leave
and
go
and
then
getting
picked
up
with
a
new
planner.
A
lot
was
lost
in
translation
from
the
beginning.
It's
always
been
environmental
contamination.
That's
that's
the
one
thing
that
we've
been
upfront
about
through
this
whole
process.
Wait.
A
E
E
E
We,
through
all
of
our
testing
and
going
through
this
process
of
extra
height
the
contamination,
the
severe
contamination
caused
from
the
Henry's
site.
That's
down
gradient,
which
flows
to
the
west
so
includes
all
of
the
parcels
that
were
including
in
this
in
this
height
amendment
are
all
contaminated.
I
have
the
plume
map
here
that
shows
the
contamination
of
all
these
sites.
E
So
as
we're
working
through
this
and
talking
with
our
legal
talking
with
the
state,
it's
a
much
more
compelling
argument
and
much
it's
a
lot
easier
to
remediate
when
it's
one
owner
doing
all
of
it
and
we've
put
in
a
ton
of
work
and
effort
to
control
all
of
this
remediation.
So
we
can
remediate
it
all
at
one
time
if
we
don't
control
all
of
it,
then
their
owners
who
are
looking
to
the
previous
owner
for
contamination,
legal
issues
that
happen
and
it
just
ends
up
becoming
a
legal
nightmare,
but
so.
E
So
I
guess
we
look.
This
is
a
learning
experience
for
us
too.
So
we're
we're
not
we
want
to
do
what's
right.
We
want
to
follow
the
right
processes,
we're
also
under
a
tight
just
it's
a
very
unique
project
that
were
under
this
this
timeline
on.
But
what
I
can
say
truthfully
is
that
from
the
very
beginning
in
starting
with
this
text
amendment,
the
reason
for
the
extra
height
is
because
of
the
contamination
from
Henry's,
which
that's
caused
so
231
when
that
originally
was
in
the
in
the
the
amendment,
the
text
amendment.
E
That
corner
we
own
chuckles
before
we
owned
that
corner,
and
it
was
always
for
height
throughout
that
whole
side
that
we
owned,
because
all
those
parcels
are
contaminated.
So
we
don't
mean
to
just
keep
on
adding
parcel
parcel
just
to
make
this
project
as
big
as
it
can
be.
Literally,
all
the
parcels
that
we
control
is
the
full
scope
of
the
environmental
contamination
and
we
feel
like
from
the
beginning.
That's
been
the
reason
for
the
extra
height
and
that
calling
out
that
corner
is
the
way
that
it's
been
done
in
this
text
in
these
text.
A
Customer
Rogers
good,
so
I
think
it's
for
me.
It's
what
you
just
said
about
the
adding
on
parcel
and
parcel
and
I
think
for
the
legality
of
all
of
us
involved
that
we
need
to
go
through
the
appropriate
process
because
it
has
changed
in
the
time.
So
would
you
prefer
that
we
kick
it
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
new
information
or
that
we
only
approve
your
231
West,
ninth
south
and
allow
you
to
start
a
new
application
process
for
the
sub
other
parcels?
E
E
E
A
A
B
F
So,
following
along
with
that,
usually,
if
you
have
advertising
hearing,
you
do
accept
any
comment
from
the
people
who
took
the
time
to
come.
So
do
what
Nick
suggested
and
announced
at
the
beginning
that,
as
a
result
of
your
briefing
session,
you
have
a
tentative
plan
to
do
X,
Y
Z,
but
then
offer
to
accept
any
comment
that
would
cover
you.
Both
ways
do.
F
E
A
You
mr.
Andrzej
thanks
Nick
and
Nick
with
that
we're
on
to
item
three,
our
housing
development
request
with
in
Salt
Lake
City
boundaries
from
Salt,
Lake,
County,
Housing,
Authority
and
I
believe
this
involves
our
friend
Sean
McMillan,
the
executive
director
of
first
step
house.
We
have
here
with
us
too.
You
can
come
up
now
or
if
I
don't
know
what
Melissa
and
Janice
Kimball
have
planned
come
on
up
Janice
is
the
executive
director
of
the
housing
authority
that
nice
to
see
you
again
thanks
for
being
here?
Thank.
H
You
good
afternoon,
thank
you
all
for
this
time.
We
were
truly
appreciate
it
I'm
not
going
to
do
very
much
talking.
We
are
here
today
because
any
time
the
County
Housing
Authority
wants
to
share
the
love
of
housing
in
the
city.
They
come
to
the
council
to
seek
approval.
We've
done
this
one
other
time
in
my
time
here,
I'm
sure
others,
and
that
was
related
to
Bodie.
Unlike
Bodie.
H
H
C
C
C
Those
of
you
don't
know
the
scope
of
our
services.
We
provide
residential
substance,
abuse
treatment,
outpatient
substance,
abuse
treatment
as
well
as
rapid,
rehousing
and
recovery
housing,
so
a
trans,
a
form
of
transitional
housing,
and
then
we
also
provide
long-term
recovery
management.
So
for
twenty
six
apartments.
This
is
the
reason
that
we
are
here
last
February.
With
the
assistance
to
the
city,
we
were
able
to
purchase
the
besa
property
located
at
426
South
500
East.
That
property
is
immediately
in
north
of
property
that
we
also
own
on
fifth
East.
C
Our
intent
for
the
project
is
to
develop
40
units
of
one-bedroom
permanent,
supportive
housing
20
of
those
products.
20
of
those
units
will
be
subsidized
by
section
820
of
those
by
HUD
Vash.
That's
a
housing
tool
for
veterans,
the
target
population
or
individuals
who
are
20%
25%
of
the
area,
median
income
as
well
homeless,
individuals,
so,
which
is
what
we
primarily
work
with
veterans
as
well
as
individuals
with
a
disability,
so
individuals
who
are
struggling
with
a
mental
health
condition,
co-occurring
substance
use
disorder
and
as
well
as
physical
disability.
C
C
We
will
be
able
to
wrap
services
around
this,
this
population
that
that
service
team
will
be
composed
of
licensed
mental
health,
professional
substance
use
disorder,
counselor
SSW,
as
well
as
peer
support,
specialist
key
or
what
more
the
owner.
The
project
will
be.
First
step
house,
we
will
be
the
lead
service
provider,
the
property
manager
because
of
their
abundance
of
experience
will
be
the
housing
authority
of
the
county
and
we
have
the
good
fortune
and
that's
what
this
meeting
is
about
is
having
the
housing
authority
of
the
county
in
as
our
general
partner
on
the
project.
C
D
But
I
can
go
into
that
right
now,
so
we've
we've
been
partners
for
over
ten
years,
providing
housing
and
services
together
we
will
be
the
property
manager
at
their
other
property
they're,
currently
working
on
adjacent
to
that
site,
so
we
provided
mostly,
we
provided
rent
assistance
using
market
units
and
they
provided
the
services.
Thank
you.
C
Some
of
you
are
familiar
with
this
location
on
50s,
so
the
building
that
is
second
to
the
right.
Excuse
me
the
left,
that
is,
our
existing
veterans
facility.
They
be
building.
Third
in
so
that
I'm
sorry,
that's
gonna,
be
our
fifth
East
apartment
building
that
we'll
run
that
with
is
75
units
of
permanent
supportive
housing
and
then
the
building
in
color
is
the
building
that
we're
talking
about
today.
Okay,
so.
H
C
C
The
other
reason
is
that
these
are
like
tech
projects,
low-income
housing,
tax
credit
projects.
We
are
new
to
that
space
as
an
organization
first
step
house
is
the
Housing
Authority
of
the
county
has
an
abundance
of
experience,
and
we
think
that
that
makes
that
increases
the
opportunity
for
us
to
be
successful
for
the
individuals
we
serve
in
for
our
communities
just
wanted
to
provide
you
with
some
elevations
here.
So
you
could
see
the
the
conceptual
zuv
what
the
projects
looked
like.
D
Sure
so
what
we're
asking
for
so
under
state
statute,
for
a
housing
authority
that
whose
jurisdiction
is
the
county,
they
need
permission
from
the
city
jurisdiction
to
entertain
a
development
there,
as
well
as
a
if
there's
another
housing
authority
in
that
jurisdiction,
and
we
have
obtained
approval
from
the
city
housing
authority.
So
we're
asking
for
approval
from
the
council
today.
A
H
As
you
are
very
well
aware,
we
have
a
lot
of
clients
in
in
common
and
it's
always
a
great
success,
to
walk
into
court
and
to
see
how
they
people
have
changed
their
life
around
and
completely
I
mean
it's
it's
it
a
holistic
view
on
how
we're
dealing
with
our
vulnerable
populations
and
getting
them
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system
and
getting
them
real
help
that
will
turn
their
lives
around,
and
you
have
certainly
done
it.
I've
had
clients
who
talk
about
you
and
the
mentorship
program
and
they've
been
in
it
for
a
long
time.
H
I
look
forward
to
these
projects
going
up.
I
really
cannot
commend
you
enough
for
the
hard
work
you're
doing
with
with
these
communities
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
always
say:
I
would
rather
have
resources
that
work
me
out
of
a
job,
so
I
didn't
have
to
go
to
court
all
the
time,
but
but
you're
really
doing
amazing
work
and
I
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
to
seeing
all
of
these.
These
new
projects
going
up
in
the
rest
of
the
Empire
you'll
have
in
our
community.
So
thank
you.
Sean
Thank.
I
I
We'll
talk
about
that
later,
okay,
I,
agree,
I,
think
this
brings
three
collaborators
who
have
expertise
and
good
reputations
in
each
of
their
particular
areas.
So
I
think
it's
a
stable
collaboration
and
project
I
think
it
hits
a
big
need
at
20%.
25%
am
I
on
below
the
permit.
Supportive
housing
is
a
big
need
and
it
moves
this
particular
project
further
east
in
the
city
than
we
have
before.
So
it's
a
lot
of
fronts
and
our
needs.
So
thank
you
very
much.
J
A
Tuesday,
the
11th.
We
will
take
action
on
this
at
our
seven
o'clock,
formal
meeting,
Thank
You
Shawn.
All
right
council
members
were
on
to
item
four
finding
our
future
we're
ahead
of
schedule,
but
look
at
that.
There's,
Julian
and
John
and
Mike
we've
got
our
interlocal
agreement
with
UTA
and
I
know
our
own
Kiera
Luke
is
in
the
house
to
help
us
out
from
the
council
side,
jennifer
mcgrath
john
larson
and
julian
Sabula
I
saw
Jennifer
here,
but.
A
K
Don't
have
much
new
information
to
add
to
the
last
time,
but
for
anyone
who's
just
now
joining
this
part
of
the
funding
our
future
conversation
standard
recap:
the
council
approved
a
0.5%
sales
tax
increase
earlier
this
year
to
address
for
critical
unfunded
needs,
one
of
which
was
improved
transit
service
as
part
of
the
annual
budget
process.
The
council
allocated
over
five
million
from
that
anticipated
revenue
to
the
goal
of
improved
transit
service,
2.8
million
of
which
was
identified
for
the
first
year
of
an
agreement
with
UTA.
K
Since
our
last
briefing,
we
don't
have
any
new
paperwork,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
to
flesh
out
the
presentation
that
we
got
an
overview
of
last
week
and
perhaps
have
a
little
more
discussion.
It
is
worth
noting
the
UTA
board
met
on
November
28th
and
discuss
the
interlocal
agreement.
As
far
as
staff
is
aware,
the
board
reviewed
the
same
content
that
the
council
has
received
and
the
draft
interlocal
agreement,
but
not
the
addendum
or
the
final
version
of
the
inter
local
and
turn
it
over
to
the
administration.
L
L
I'm,
just
gonna
give
a
really
quick
overview
of
where
we're
at
with
the
agreement.
Then
Julianne's
can
jump
into
the
presentation
and
then,
if
we
have
any
time
at
the
end,
we
were
thinking
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
talk
about
responses
to
any
of
the
public
comments
from
the
new
received
last
week
on
this.
L
So
we
have
are
very
close
to
having
the
finalized
documents,
which
includes
the
master
in
a
local
agreement
and
we'll
get
into
the
how
its
structured,
as
well
as
the
the
first
addendum,
which
would
fund
startup
costs
during
this
fiscal
year
and
then
we'd
have
the
the
draft
addendum
that
would
fund
the
additional
service
for
the
next
fiscal
year,
starting
in
July.
All
the
services
actually
in
August
so
we'd
have
that
all
all
ready
to
go
for
the
discussions
within
the
budget
I
mean
a
discussion
to
next
spring,
but
I
think
for
now.
L
It's
probably
I'm
guessing
going
to
be
in
too
tight
to
have
adoption
next
week
and
we
recognize
that
and
apologize.
We
haven't
been
able
to
pull
that
off,
but
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
close,
but
the
important
thing
is
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
this
right
and
then
we
give
you
the
ability
to
dig
into
and
to
feel
comfortable
with
it
to
feel
confident.
L
You
know
this
is
a
really
big
deal,
and
so,
while
there
is
still
a
time
crunch,
it's
not
the
end
of
the
world
if
it
gets
pushed
a
little
bit,
you
know
the
drop-dead
deadline
is
really
late.
January
and
I
think
we
I
feel
pretty
confident.
We
can
do
this
well
before
that.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Julie
Ann
to
kind
of
dig
into
some
somewhere
that
do
you
tell
us
before.
A
L
M
M
M
It
is
still
possible
for
us
to
complete
this
in
December.
We
may
know
as
early
as
tomorrow,
final
language,
but
we
are
still
working
on
those
documents
and
one
final
item
I'll
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes
and
then
in
January
UTA
will
begin
hiring
and
training
the
drivers
for
the
vehicles,
as
well
as
the
mechanics
and
then
finally,
in
August,
we'll
see
implementation
of
the
actual
service
on
the
ground.
Yeah.
A
M
A
B
We
were
here
last
week,
we
said
we
had
one
more
item
and
now
we
have
half
of
that
item.
So
we
are
every
time
we
come
to
you.
We
make
progress
and
we
are
I
know
it's
frustrating,
but
we
are
so
incredibly
close
and,
like
Julianne
said,
if
we're
able
to
get
together,
we
could
have
it
resolved
as
early
as
tomorrow.
It
might
take
a
few
more
days,
but
I
think
you
know.
John's
point
is
the
point
that
really
matters:
it's
a
20
year
agreement.
B
We
want
to
get
it
right
and
if
that
means,
we
have
to
talk
for
another
24
or
48
or
72
hours
to
make
sure
that
we're
comfortable
and
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
information
to
articulate
to
you
in
a
way
that
is
meaningful
and
that
you
have
time
to
understand
and
digest
the
information
and
to
be
able
to
ask
us
questions,
that's
valuable
to
us
and
it's
worth
it.
Would
we
like
to
be
done
next
week?
B
M
And
I
should
note
too,
that
UTA
is
in
the
midst
of
a
huge
transition
and
they're
down
to
two
attorneys
for
the
entire
organization.
So
some
of
the
slowness
is
not
so
much
a
difficulty
in
reaching
agreement,
as
it
is
just
the
process.
The
iterative
process
of
passing
this
agreement
back
and
forth
and
having
the
conversations
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that,
because
they've
been
working
really
hard
to
kind
of
keep
pace
with
us,
despite
the
fact
that
they're
understaffed
at
the
moment.
M
So
we
talked
about
a
whole
variety
of
considerations
and
I
I
would
say
we
started
with
dozens
of
items
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
kind
of
half
an
item
left
that
we're
working
on.
But
really
it
was
thinking
about
the
bigger
context
for
both
organizations.
So
internal
galvanization
is
a
big
piece
of
this
and
for
UTA
it's
just
the
operators,
the
service
planners
and
so
on
being
all
on
the
same
page
and
getting
all
of
their
needs
met.
And
for
us
we
have
the
greater
context
of
funding
our
future.
M
M
So
the
agreement
itself
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
briefly
section
by
section.
The
end
of
the
agreement
has
a
lot
of
sections
that
are
mostly
some
standard
legal
language,
but
the
the
upfront
stuff.
Is
that
really
the
important
things
please
feel
free
to
stop
me
any
time
along
the
way?
If
there
are
questions
about
these
pieces,
so
the
structure
is
such
and
I
actually
have
a
couple
handouts
if
we
want
to
use
them.
That
shows
graphically
what
the
structure
looks
like.
Is
that
something
you'd
like
to
see?
Would
that
help
in.
L
N
M
M
To
start
with
the
blue
box
on
the
far
left,
that's
the
master
agreement.
This
is
the
agreement
that
we
hope
will
remain
relatively
unchanged
over
the
course
of
20
years,
and-
and
this
is
part
of
why
we've
gone
back
and
forth
between
what's
happening
in
the
near
term
as
almost
a
ground
truthing
of
the
Master
Agreement
to
see.
Does
it
work
now
as
well
as
we
think
it'll
work
in
the
long
term.
M
The
Master
Agreement
is
not
a
very
long
agreement.
I
mentioned
a
lot
of
standard
language,
but
it
essentially
says
what
we're
doing.
Why
we're
doing
and
how
we're
gonna
work
together,
where
the
meat
of
it
is
is
in
the
methodology
for
calculating
sponsored
service
and
really
what
this
does
is
establishes
something
that's
long
term
and
consistent
that
you
add
it
the
same
way
every
year,
so
that
it's
not
reinventing
the
wheel.
It's
not
about
having
a
black
box
somewhere
and
there's
just
here's
your
here's,
your
invoice.
M
This
will
only
happen
once
for
these
lines
that
adding,
if
we
add
additional
routes
than
it,
would
require
another
round
of
mobilization
for
more
hiring
more
training
and
ordering
of
vehicles,
but
otherwise,
once
it
happens,
one
time
it
doesn't
need
to
happen
again.
We'd
just
be
paying
a
per
mile
cost
for
the
service
itself,
addendum
to
actually
may
not
even
need
to
go
into
the
master
agreement,
it's
very
very
small
capital
items
and
we're
working
on
those
items
exactly
where
they
should
go
and
what
they
should
look
like.
M
We
can
do
them
sooner
than
UTA,
otherwise
had
planned
and
then
finally
addendum
three
that
talks
about
the
specific
service
and
we'll
have
that
ready
for
you
at
the
same
time
that
we
have
the
Master
Agreement
and
the
first
addendum,
because
we've
been
working
on
everything
in
tandem,
so
you'll
be
able
to
see
what
next
year
looks
like
it
just
will
require
the
budget
allocation
to
actually
be
approved.
So
we'll
have
all
of
that
for
you
to
review
early
on
so
that
if
we
need
to
tweak
it,
we
can
questions.
H
H
I
think
this
model
is
a
really
interesting
and
unique
model,
but
it
serves
the
purpose
really
well
that
they're
sort
of
the
rules
of
the
game,
and
then
we
tweaked
the
the
actual
tiny
little,
which
is
the
most
important
part,
the
budget
right,
but
we
tweaked
that
every
year,
without
changing
the
rules
of
the
game
and
I
the
madam
chair
said
you
guys
have
been
working
really
hard
and
it's
very
noticeable.
So
thank
you
for
this.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
I,
want
to
ask
a
question
on
it
and
I.
Don't
really
think
it
benefits
either
of
us
if
I
make.
You
walk
me
through
the
technical
Excel
spreadsheet,
but
even
though
that
sounds
like
a
really
interesting
part,
I
wondered
if
but
those
outputs
the
what
we're
paying
for
and
what
we're
getting
analysis
sounds
like
what
we
are
asking
the
public
to
have
access
to
on
the
dashboard.
So
I'm
wondering
is
that
the
component
that
gets
translated
somehow
to
dashboard
output,
and
if
it
is
in
then
what
of
this
does.
M
Yes,
so,
let's
maybe
talk
for
just
a
sec
about
a
basic
of
the
calculator
without
having
to
walk
through
the
numbers
and
technical
details
where
we
landed
was
we
want
to
use
national
transit
database
numbers?
These
are
nationally
available.
Any
member
of
the
public
can
go
look
at
them,
not
just
for
UTA
but
any
agency
and
see
how
we
stack
up
against
other
places.
It's
a
very
transparent
source,
it's
collected
by
the
federal
government.
M
It
complicates
our
life
a
little
because
the
data
is
always
2
years
behind.
So
we
have
to
age
those
dollars
by
adding
an
inflation
rate,
but
it
does
give
us
a
transparent
starting
point.
That's
based
on
the
real
numbers,
the
actual
amount
that
UTA
is
spending.
We
felt
like
that
was
a
good
starting
place
because
it's
stable,
it
doesn't
rely.
Us
rely
on
us
to
do
extra
data
collection
to
get
those
numbers,
and
so
then
we
just
have
to
adjust
them
specifically
for
our
purposes,
because
they're
agency-wide
there's
some
refinement.
M
That
has
to
happen
and
that's
what
the
calculator
does
those
numbers
are
available
to
anyone.
An
important
part
of
the
agreement,
too,
is
it's
very
open
in
terms
of
data,
so
in
terms
of
both
the
financials
and
the
actual
things
like
ridership
data
that
we'll
want
to
be
seeing
and
tracking
with
the
money
that
we're
spending
so.
A
M
Haven't
made,
we've
been
working
with
our
communications
team
on
a
more
big-picture
scale
and
we
haven't
gotten
into
those
details.
We
wanted
to
finalize
the
calculator
first,
but
that
said
we
designed
it
to
be
transparent.
We
can
make
any
of
it
available.
It's
a
matter
of,
what's
digestible
to
normal
people
that
aren't
in
transportation
all
the
time
looking
at
it.
So
we.
L
There's
no
reason
that
each
element
in
some
form
or
another
can't
be
included
on
the
dashboard.
Okay,
no
we'd
we'd
absolutely
want
to
err
on
the
side
of
transparency,
and
you
know
back
to
this
methodology.
That's
really
where
the
negotiation
points
have
been.
As
Julian
has
mentioned,
things
like
there's,
paratransit,
service
and
UT
has
federal
requirements
based
on
the
amount
of
miles
and
Revenue
hours
that
they
that
they
run.
L
Then
they
have
to
provide
an
equivalent
amount
of
paratransit
service,
so
they
actually
have
to
provide
more
paratransit
service
based
on
what
we're
buying
up
and
so
things
like.
Okay,
what
rate
do
they
charge
us
to
be
able
to
provide
that
additional
paratransit
service?
And
none
of
us
are
entirely
sure
how
much
more
that
cost
will
go
up?
We
have
to
have
a
starting
point,
so
things
like
that
and
the
the
one
item
that
were
really
close
on
then,
is
the
administrative
overhead.
L
L
M
Okay,
so
this
I'm
not
gonna,
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
because
it's
a
very
busy
slide.
It's
just
the
budget
that
you've
approved
and
I'm
calling
out
the
two
bold
items,
because
those
are
the
topic
of
this
agreement.
So
amongst
all
the
budget
items,
the
top
item
span
and
frequency
on
key
routes
and
the
FTN
rolling
stock
are
the
primary
pieces
I
mentioned.
We
may
have
a
very
small
piece
of
the
FTN
capital
improvements
that
1.1
million
figure
that's
near
the
bottom,
but
the
primary
pieces
are
the
buses
and
increasing
service.
M
So
in
the
Master
Agreement,
it
starts
with
the
recitals,
and
these
are
just
really
what
we're
doing
basically
implementing
the
transit
master
plan
and
it
goes
into
a
little
more
detail,
but
that's
the
the
core
of
it
and
then
the
first
section
is
the
intent
language
that
we
talked
about
in
August.
We
did
add
the
sustainability
goals
in
terms
of
green
vehicles,
and
so
that
can
be
found
in
section
1
of
the
Master
Agreement.
M
M
M
I
guess
the
short
answer
is
that
it
doesn't
have
teeth
and
it
can.
This
is
a
starting
place
and
that's
part
of
why
we're
here
is
to
hear
that
feedback.
If
it's,
if,
if
we
don't
have
strong
enough
statements
in
the
agreement
for
us,
there
are
a
couple
of
issues
so,
for
example,
Park
City,
as
you
know,
has
has
electric
vehicles
and
they've
been
doing
it
for
a
while
now
part
of
the
reason
they
can
do.
M
That
is
because
they
control
really
the
entire
system
in
conjunction
with
Summit
County,
and
the
routes
are
just
far
fewer
and
far
complex
and
less
far-reaching.
They
also
have
a
larger
budget
relatively
speaking
than
we
do,
and
so
it
enables
them
to
do
some
things.
That'll
take
us
a
little
longer
to
do.
M
Does
it
mean
that
we
can't
do
them,
but
it
is
more
than
the
timeline
part
of
it
is
just
the
actual
infrastructure
that
will
rely
on
Rocky,
Mountain
power
and
others
to
get
in
place,
and
so,
even
if
we
have,
for
example,
a
high
capacity
charging
station,
whether
or
not
we
can
actually
have
enough
power
flowing
to
utilize.
That
charging
station
is
an
issue,
and
so
it's
something
that'll
really
require
strong
partnerships
and,
of
course
we
love
support
in
terms
of
encouraging
Rocky
Mountain
Power
to
help
us
with
that.
M
So
that's
that's
really
the
the
heart
of
it
I
would
say
the
other
part
of
it
is
to
that.
Uta
has
to
interline
a
lot
of
their
service,
so
keeping
a
vehicle
within
a
particular
geographic
area
so
that
it
can
utilize
charging
infrastructure
and
so
that,
if
we're
paying
for
a
vehicle,
it's
not
just
going
all
over
the
system
is
a
significant
challenge.
It
would
mean
a
pretty
big
bump
in
cost
for
us.
Thank
you
for
that
sure.
M
Section
2
is
really
how
we
work
together
and
how
we
cooperate.
There
have
been
agreements
in
the
past
where
we
have
had
some
committees
to
do
decision-making
and
the
challenges
getting
those
people
together,
they're
doing
the
public
notices
for
those
meetings,
making
sure
that,
if
there's
turnover
in
staff
that
you
get
the
right
people
at
the
table,
and
so
we
want
to
work
everything
out
at
the
lowest
possible
level.
M
One
of
the
things
that
we
needed
to
determine
was
where
UTA
ends
and
the
city
begins,
and
it's
a
harder
question
than
it
sounds
like
because
over
time
there
may
be
increases
in
service
that
are
warranted
at
the
regional
level,
and
we
don't
want
to
be
paying
for
those
just
because
in
the
past
we
paid
for
that
service
to
be
added.
If
our
increases
in
service
also
caused
a
lot
of
ridership-
and
it's
wildly
successful
at
some
point-
we
feel
like
it's
justified
to
hand
that
off
as
a
regional
responsibility
and
move
our
money
elsewhere.
M
How
we'll
make
decisions
about
that
is
based
on
industry,
standard
productivity
and
propensity,
which
are
wonky
words?
That
just
really
mean
do
you?
Have
the
density
and
mix
of
uses
to
support
transit?
Do
you
have
a
population
that
is
likely
to
use
transit,
and
this
map
is
from
our
plan
will
use
those
metrics
in
conjunction
with
UTA,
and
we
really
look
at
the
same
things
so
I
think.
In
those
terms,
we
really
agree
on
places
where
transit
is
warranted,
even
if
we
come
at
it
from
us.
M
M
M
Then
we
talk
about
in
section
4,
UT,
A's,
responsibilities
for
the
ft
n
routes
and
they're
pretty
straightforward,
because
it's
everything
that
UTA
is
already
doing
so
essentially
they're
running
the
buses.
They
are
the
employer
to
the
operators.
They
have
the
vehicles
and
maintain
the
vehicles.
It'll
be
all
those
same
things:
the
service
cost
calculation
I
mentioned
the
national
transit
database
as
our
foundational
number
and
we're
calculating
by
the
service
miles
that
were
adding
to
what's
already
on
the
ground.
M
So
in
our
first
year,
that
kind
of
where
UTA
ends
is
just
at
the
level
of
service
where
they
currently
are.
That
may
not
be
the
case
going
forward
in
future
years.
It
just
depends
on
the
level
of
service.
That's
warranted
at
that
regional
scale.
We
make
annual
adjustments
for
inflation,
fuel
and
and
paratransit
like
John
mentioned.
M
We
wouldn't
do
any
mid-year
changes,
but
if
it
really
started
to
jeopardize
UT
A's
ability
to
provide
the
service
or
for
that
matter,
just
wasn't
costing
us
what
we
thought
because
of
the
miracle
of
a
reduction
in
fuel
prices,
and
then
the
pro
rata
share
of
the
increase
in
overhead
that
our
routes
would
add
and
that's
the
item
that
is
still.
We
agree
that
it
should
be
mileage
based,
so
we're
just
really
tweaking
that
and
working
out
the
final
details
of
what
it
looks
like
and
then.
M
City
responsibilities,
as
I
mentioned,
are
mobilization
costs
and
those
only
occur
when
new
service
is
added.
It's
not
an
annual
expense
vehicle
lease
costs,
new
annual
service
miles
and
then
other
cost.
That
generally
are
pretty
small.
So
this
year,
for
example,
we
probably
need
a
porta
potti
for
the
operators
of
one
of
the
new
routes,
the
new
nine.
So
those
are
the
types
of
when
I
say
other
costs.
M
What
I
mean
it's
subject
to
the
agreement
sites
that
subject
to
annual
appropriation,
so
whatever
happens
through
the
budget
process,
will
dictate
what
this
looks
like
and
then
construction
of
bus
stops
and
improvements
is
largely
happening
under
the
leadership
of
the
city.
There
will
be
a
few
items
that,
if
they're
going
to
serve
a
regional
function,
we
may
contribute
to,
but
we
wouldn't
bear
the
full
cost
of
and
that
UTA
would
implement
that's
something
that
serving
broader
needs.
M
I
mentioned
no
sub
plantation
of
funds,
and
that's
really
just
saying
just
because
we
are
buying
up
service
doesn't
mean
we
want
you
ta
dollars
to
go
elsewhere.
That
would
otherwise
have
been
spent
here.
That
was
an
important
thing
for
us.
Open
financial
records
were
an
important
thing
so
that
we
have
auditing
capacity
and
then
performance
evaluation
will
be
entirely
based
on
the
transit
master
plan
goals
and
we'll
share
data
very
openly.
M
L
Just
in
section
12
go
back,
that's
that's
the
dashboard
and
we're
very
open
to
if
there's
specific
things
or
even
after
we're
already
up
and
going
if
there
are
things
that
you're
saying
like
that,
we're
not
not
hitting
enough
items
or
things.
That's
that
can
be
adjusted.
That's
really
really
important
to
us
that
we
get
that
right.
The.
B
Other
thing,
I
think
it's
important
to
emphasize
is
specifically
on
section
I
think
it
was
7
and
11.
We
worked
very
closely
with
Mary,
Beth
and
Finance
to
make
sure
that
we
got
those
sections
right
and
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
agreeing
to
something
that
wasn't
it
wasn't
possible
for
the
city
to
do
so.
We've
had
a
lot
of
help
and
collaboration
from
our
finance
folks
as
well
to
make
sure
that
what
we
put
in
the
agreement
are
things
that
we
can
actually
perform
on.
I
Thank
you,
I
think
we're
on
the
right
track
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
very,
very,
very
much
one
of
the
funding
year.
One
funding
pieces
is
transit,
pass
analysis
and
facilitation
I'm,
assuming
that's
looking
to
Affairs,
and
how
do
we
get
ridership
at
a
comparable
cost
essentially
or
decreased
cost?
Ideally,
how
does
that
fit
into
this
Master
Agreement?
Where
would
you
see
it
lying
because
it
sort
of
it
doesn't
seem
to
lie
anywhere,
particularly
in
any
of
these
sections
right,
no.
L
B
Really
work
that
we'll
be
doing
internally
I
mean
we
will
obviously
be
doing
that
in
close
collaboration
with
UTA,
but
it's
work
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
on
our
end
as
well,
trying
to
analyze
and
figure
out.
How
do
we
were
to
reduce
the
cost
of
transit
for
Salt
Lake
City
residents,
visitors
workers?
B
What's
the
best
way
to
do
that,
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
different
things
going
on
that
front
and
for
us
it
didn't
feel
like
it
made
sense
as
part
of
this
ila.
But
again,
that's
why
we're
here
to
talk
about
this?
If
that's
a
piece
that
you
think
is
missing,
let's
talk
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
incorporate
that
I.
Do.
I
I,
don't
know
where
it
fits
I
mean
that's
sort
of
their
technical
expertise
about
how
you're
at
this
contract
and
where
it
fits
or
doesn't
fit,
based
on
fluctuations,
etc,
etc.
I
mean
the
contract
is
great
in
that
it
sets
the
overall
agreement
right
and
then
we
work
on
the
details
as
we
go
through
I
see.
This
is
a
huge
piece,
though
I
think
it's
gonna
be
hard
for
us
to
it's.
Gonna
take
a
while
for
new
routes
to
take
root,
right
and
know
the
system
and
trust
it.
I
It's
also
a
matter
of
how
do
we
help
people
make
it
comparable
to
driving
your
car
or
to
walking
the
mile,
which
I
do
because
the
bus
doesn't
come
quick
enough
right,
so
I
see
it's
a
huge
piece
that
I
don't
want
to
sort
of
get
delayed
or
overlooked,
or
we
just
don't
know
yes,
we're
gonna,
wait
and
wait
and
wait
on
it.
I'd
hope
this
would
sort
of
be
a
part
of
this
first
rollout
in
some
capacity.
Even
if
it's
a
trial
case
or
something
we're
testing
out,
it.
A
I
I
think
that
if
we
look
at
reduced
fares
or
some
reduce
fares,
but
some
way
to
package
it,
so
it's
a
simple
way
to
get
access
to
multiple
multi
transit
in
the
city.
I
mean
that's
the
ultimate
a
simplistic
way
of
saying:
I
just
want
a
pass
to
get
in
multiple
ways
to
get
around
the
city
right.
It's
gonna
cost
money.
Where
does
it
fall?
Is
it
a
split
between
us
and
UTA
I
mean?
I
Is
there
some
way
that
we
look
at
and
say
they're
willing
to
come
halfway
or
a
part
of
the
way
with
us?
That's
where
I
don't
see
anything
in
here
that
mentions
any
of
that
discussion
about
the
fares.
I
see
the
infrastructure
upgrades
and
those
shared
costs
and
how
we're
delineating
that,
but
I
don't
see
sort
of
that
soft
costume
in
some
ways.
That's
my
question
is:
is
it
going
to
be
included
or
how
would
we
include
it
in
this
agreement?
L
What
I
had
envisioned
was
it
was
a
I
think
it
was
$30,000
that
was
budgeted
and
the
thought
was
that
we
would
use
that
money
to
help
convene
people
and
actually
just
have
a
broader
discussion,
and
it's
just
one
of
those
things.
It's
so
complicated.
It
touches
on
so
many
different
things
that
it's
hard
to
know
even
where
to
start
on
it
and
what
even
really
is
truly
possible
when
it
comes
to
rethinking
fairs.
You
know,
there's
some
people
that
talk
about.
You
know
why?
Don't
we
just
do
it
free
system-wide?
L
L
What's
happening
down
in
Provo
NorAm,
where
they
both
BYU
and
UVU,
negotiated
deals
where
student
students,
faculty
and
their
families
all
have
passes
and
then
mountain
an
association
of
governments
use
CMAC
dollars,
congestion
mitigation,
air
quality,
federal
dollars
to
make
their
new
BRT
line
free
for
the
first
three
years
for
everyone.
So
and
those
are
things
that
we've
talked
about
and
we
actually
ended
up
submitting
and
we're
working
on
submitting
an
application
with
W
FRC
to
see,
if
maybe
we
could
kickstart
things
with
some
gen
CMAC
money
for
free
fares
on
our
routes.
So
it's.
I
Guess
I
would
just
hope
that
at
some
point
it
gets
touched
on
and
the
master
agreement
else
we
don't
know.
The
second
question
that
probably
hasn't
answered
today
is
that
public-private
partnership
question.
If
we
build
a
bus,
stop
a
nice
bus
stop
and
we
decide
to
go
the
route
we
use
in
this
grooming
with
UTA
of
private
advertising
on
that
bus.
Stop
that
we
built.
How
are
those
funds
that
revenue
shared
or
one
way
there
does
that
address
this
here
or
is
already
an
agreement
that
touches
that
piece?
J
You
talked
about
and
free
fares
or
reduced
fares,
and
we
ever
looked
at
it.
What
if
tracks
was
free
but
the
buses
were
paid
for
or
if
tracks
was
free
in
Salt
Lake
City,
but
you
paid
for
the
buses
like.
Might
that
increase
ridership
on
buses
too,
to
get
two
tracks
to
use
that
service
like
have
we
run
models
to
see
if
that's
possible
or
if
that
would
be
sustainable
in.
L
My
my
previous
life
doing
regional
travel
forecasting.
We
did
do
maybe
not
that
specific
scenario
that
you're
talking
about,
but
when
we'd
run
scenarios
of
you
know
what
happens
if
you
just
make
transit,
free
or
very
low
cost-
and
you
see
forecasted
pretty
large,
bumps
and
ridership
anywhere
from
50%
increase
to
doubling
the
number
of
riders
and
I
think
you
will
never
fully
know.
But
you
know
with
the
Provo
armed
BRT
having
that
free,
the
ridership
is
through
the
roof
right
now
down
there
and
they've
seen
a
spill
over
onto
adjacent
routes.
So.
J
J
B
B
We
were
not
totally
convinced
that
that
gave
us
an
accurate
representation
of
what
it
would
look
like
on
an
ongoing
basis.
It
was
I,
don't
want
to
say
a
novelty
cuz
I,
don't
think
that's
the
appropriate
word,
but
it
was
right
around
Christmastime
I
think
it
was
on
a
Friday
if
I
remember
correctly
it
just
that
one
day
doesn't
give
us
enough
information.
B
That
being
said,
what's
happening
in
Utah
County
gives
us
great
information,
and
so
we're
really
hopeful
that
we
will
be
successful
in
our
CMAC
grant
application
and
that
we
too
will
be
able
to
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
free
service
on
these
new
routes
for
people
for
a
three-year
period.
That's
really
meaningful!
That's
that's
about
changing
travel
behaviors!
B
Should
we
talk
about
free
fares
for
the
entire
system?
Is
there
a
way
to
look
at
the
hive
pass
differently
and
maybe
try
something
different
with
that,
specifically
for
Salt
Lake
City
residents?
We've.
We
have
that
in
our
plan
to
do
a
revaluation
of
that
and
potentially
try
something
new
so
and
then
we
have
the
mobility
as
a
service
process
that
we're
working
through.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
balls
in
the
air
on
this.
We
know
it's
really
important
and
we
want
to
try
to
hit
it
from
every
angle.
He.
J
J
If
you
were
to
do
something
free
fare,
could
you
limit
it
to
Salt
Lake
City,
or
would
that
because
they
go
those
go
outside
the
city?
Would
you
have
to
then
have
everybody
once
you
cross
the
city
line
like
get
out
and
get
a
ticket
or
something
or
is
that
pop?
Is
that
even
possible
to
you
because
I,
like
the
red
line,
is
all
within
Salt
Lake
City
so
that
one
I
feel
like?
Maybe
you
could
do
that.
J
L
Guess
I
would
say
it
should
all
be
on
the
table
and
that's
partly
it
gets
back
to
you
know
what
do
we
put
in
an
agreement
when
there's
so
many
options
and
they
take
there's
so
many
different
flavors
of
options
that
are
that
are
out
there.
I
want
to
really
look
at
all
of
them
and
I
want
to
get
the
right
players
in
the
room
and
really
be
be
creative
and
not
constrain
ourselves
by
the
way
that
things
currently
are
councilmember.
H
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions,
I
realized.
So
this
is
a
20
year
agreement,
and
you
probably
told
me
this
back
in
like
August
when
you
very
first
or
even
sooner
than
that
when
we
first
talked
about
these
different
lines.
Is
this
because
if
we
look
at
their
recital
section
L,
it
talks
about
the
prioritization
of
$100,
600
north-south,
9th,
south
21st
and
4th?
Is
that
because,
in
order
to
implement
all
of
those
routes,
we
think
it
will
take
about
20
years
or
or
like?
H
Is
this
how
we're
going
to
we're
prioritizing
these
for
the
beginning?
But
then,
as
we
continue
every
year
to
look
at
both
the
frequent,
what
are
they
called
ft
ends:
ft
RS
and
the
money
that
we're
appropriating
to
it.
We
can
also
see
what
routes
so
there's
some
flexibility
there
is
that
right
is
what.
H
M
I
followed
you,
so
these
are
the
initial
routes
that
we're
doing
I'm,
actually
not
sure
that
I
have
in
this
presentation.
I.
Yes,
so
this
during
the
funding,
our
future
discussion
and
I
know
it
was
a
long
and
complicated
conversation,
so
I'm
revisiting
it
just
for
that
reason,
there
was
a
discussion
about
what
we
should
do.
First,
we
have
a
tier
1
and
tr2
and
they're
really
just
based
on
the
ridership
potential
and
ripeness
and
land
use
expectations
and
those
kinds
of
things.
M
These
are
the
routes
that
came
out
as
kind
of
the
first
phase
of
largely
the
first
tier
that
we
would
like
to
see
on
the
ground
that
you
all
would
like
to
see
on
the
ground,
and
so
the
first
ones
we're
doing
now,
but
the
intent
really
is
in
the
first
few
years
to
get
all
of
these
lines
on
the
map.
It
just
requires
additional
funding
and,
in
terms.
B
Of
the
20
years
that's
more
about,
we
just
want
the
rules
to
be
in
place
for
a
long
period
of
time,
so
we're
not
constantly
renegotiating.
But
the
idea
is
after
we
have
funding
and
implement
all
of
those
we
move
to
the
next
round
and
we
implement-
and
we
just
use
that
same
set
of
rules
as
we
implement
additional
routes.
But
no,
we
do
not
anticipate
it
taking
20
years
to
get
to
there.
A
Else,
council,
members
and
I'm
gonna
wrap
up
with
what
I
think
I
heard,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
council
members,
so
councilmember
Johnston
had
two
points.
One
was
where
and
how
do
we
consolidate
transit
pass
opportunities
for
our
residents
and
he
is
encouraging
that
that's
included
some
somehow
addressed
in
the
Master
Agreement
so
that
it
can
be
evaluated.
A
L
A
And
then
councilmember
Wharton
wanted
to
know
about
the
contemplation
of
different
free
scenarios
in
our
implementation
of
this
transit
master
plan
and
perhaps
testing
opportunities,
either
in
a
modeling
sense
or
in
a
piloting
on-the-ground
sense.
So
that's
a
conversation
we'll
want
to
continue
any
other
questions.
Unanswered.
Okay!
Well,
go
get
it
done,
then
we're
excited!
Thank
you
for
coming
back
to
us
I'm
glad.
We
could
have
time
for
your
presentation
today.
Cindy
Gus,
Jensen.
F
F
B
As
soon
as
we
as
soon
as
we
feel
like
it's
ready
to
go,
we
will
give
you
that
information
immediately,
so
that
you
have
all
the
time
that
you
need
and
want,
and
we
will
defer
to
you
on
when
and
how
you
want
to
schedule
future
actions
on
that.
So
we
will
communicate
with
you
both
via
email
and
formal
transmittal,
on
those
issues.
Okay,.
F
A
Thank
You
Cindy
and
Jennifer
thanks
Kyra,
John
and
Julianne.
We'll
see
you
again
soon.
You
get
that
little
bit
over
the
finish
line.
Council
members.
We
have
some
time
before
our
hard
stop
that
I'd
like
to
have
at
3:40,
which
will
be
a
break
and
we
intend
to
come
back
at
5:15,
but
in
that
time
I'd
like
us
to
get
started
on
the
budget.
Amendment
and
I
see
at
least
deputy
chief
chair
link,
I
hope,
I'm
getting
the
deputy
chief
thing
right.
The.
A
So,
let's
at
least
get
started
on
budget
amendment
number
two
continued
discussion
and
there's
Mary
Beth.
If
you
don't
mind
actually
tear,
is
it
captain
to
your
link,
yeah
just
a
moment
and
Mary
Beth?
If
you
wouldn't
mind
coming
up
because
our
first
item
on
here
is
the
potential
use
of
vacancy
savings
and
I
believe
John
got
us
an
email
recently.
But
could
you
answer
the
question
that
we
posed
around
the
potential
use
of
attrition
savings
from
some
open
positions
for
the
chronal
scope,
change
in
particular,
and
the
community
connection
center
janitorial
and
utilities
need?
P
From
the
police
department
for
the
CCC,
they
are
currently
hiring
those
positions
right
now,
but
there's
about
61
thousand
dollars
in
savings
from
the
police
department
that
we
could
move
to
public
services.
Note
that
the
police
department
already
has
to
have
come
up
with
a
five
hundred
and
fifty
seven
thousand
dollar
savings
that
was
in
the
adopted
budget.
So
that's
just
a
note
for
you
saying.
P
In
you,
so
through
attrition
and
through
the
timing,
they
always
have
a
personal
services
savings,
and
so
in
the
budget
there
was
a
five
hundred.
Fifty
seven
thousand
dollar
personal
personnel
savings
that
they
have
to
make
sure
that
they
meet
within
their
budgets
and
are
they
set
up
to
do
that?
They
are
working
on
that.
That
is
their
goal.
So
does.
P
P
The
SIA,
the
CIO
position,
is
about
a
$20,000
per
month
savings
now
that
would
come
from
operations
not
from
the
the
end,
the
enterprise
software
fund,
so
they
have
three
funds.
They
have
a
telephone
fund,
operation
fund
enterprise
software
fund,
so
we'd
have
to
move
it
from
the
the
operation
fund
to
the
enterprise
fund,
and
they
also
have
a
personnel
savings
of
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
that
they
have
to
come
up
with
as
well,
and
they
have
three
retirements
this
year,
so
they
are
they're
gonna
struggle
to
get
$125,000
operational
personnel
savings.
P
A
D
P
A
A
G
You,
madam
chair
now,
I
actually
think
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
when
we're
trying
to
fund
different
things
with
something,
that's
already
you
know,
even
if
we
have
to
play
you
know
some
budget,
you
know
moving
money
around
games,
it's
better
than
just
appropriating
money
that
you
know
we
don't
need
to
appropriate
if,
if
we
already
have
it
so
I
think
this
is
creative
and
I
like
it.
Okay,.
A
So
it
sounds
like
we
have
some
support
to
do
the
IMS
transfer
within
the
IMS
budget,
not
from
the
general
fund,
but
not
necessarily
for
the
Community
Connection
Center.
Does
anyone
want
to
speak
to
that
one?
That's
32
thousand
dollars
which
is
from
fund
balance
and
it
looks
like
the
police
department.
Actually,
so
CCC
has
some
vacancy
savings.
They.
G
G
G
A
Other
discussion
on
that
one
sounds
good
to
me,
so
we'll
look
to
make
those
shifts
when
we
get
to
a
motion
state
and
then
there
was
the
hand
Community
Development
grant
administrator
position
fully
funded
through
CDBG,
and
we
were
looking
at
potentially
dividing
that
funding
from
another
source
which
can't
which
isn't,
at
the
top
of
my
mind,
it's
not
on
our
notes
either
Ben.
Do
you
remember
what
the
question
or
the
other
opportunity
for
funding?
That
position
was
from.
F
A
F
A
D
K
F
A
A
Q
Something
I've
just
told
that
the
chief
is
flattened.
As
you
know,
the
chief
was
flying
back
in
he's
supposed
to
be,
but
there's
no
guarantee
with
that.
That
could
change,
and
so,
if
you're,
in
rather
than
having
the
embarrassment
of
coming
back
after
the
break
and
the
Chiefs
still
not
being
here,
why
don't
we
just
go
ahead
and
all.
A
Q
J
R
Q
Think
that's
accurate
that
the
fifty
thousand
dollars
is
on
hold
until
that
issues
worked
out.
I
know
that
madam
chair,
that
you
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
Patrick
Larry
chief
of
staff
as
well
as
councilmember
Fowler,
so
I
know
that
there's
some
ongoing
conversations
about
that
with
the
RDA
boards
actions
today
to
call
the
the
meeting
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
$50,000
is
on
oh
okay,.
A
A
Planning,
that's
the
word.
I've.
Never
I've
never
said
that
phrase.
If
there
isn't
a
better
opportunity
for
us
to
get
more
out
of
the
space
we
have
and
evaluating
our
space
planning
contractor.
If
it's
investment,
we
need
to
make
life
and
work
be
more
functional
than
we
want
to
have
that
conversation
I.
Q
I,
I
would
say,
madam
chair,
that
the
conversations
about
3:49
and
the
master
study
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
Obviously
I
think
part
of
with
3:49
is
thinking
short-term,
as
well
as
we
figure
out
the
long
term
strategy.
Mary
Beth
just
whispered
in
my
ear
that
as
soon
as
we
have
the
the
funding
for
the
buildings,
the
building.
Q
F
This
this
is
just
a
piece
of
technical
information
that
you
might
not
know
what
I'm
just
sharing
it
as
an
FYI.
We
have
gone
through
a
lot
of
reconfigurations
in
our
office
over
time
and
right
now.
What
we
found
is
that
we
were
getting
sort
of
stymied
at
every
turn.
Because
of
this
there
was
some
sort
of
expectation
on
the
contractor
that
they
reuse
all
of
the
cubicle
parts
upstairs.
H
Q
A
great
question:
I,
don't
have
the
answer
to
that
and
I
looked
behind
me.
Lisa
Schaeffer
is
not
here.
I
would
imagine
that
I
would
guess
that
we
would
have
to
go
out
for
an
RFP
for
this.
So
would
it
be
something
that
we
can
turn
over,
but
there
are
ways
to
expedite
that
process
and
understanding
the
importance
of
it
and
the
timing
of
it.
It
would
definitely
be
a
priority
for
the
administration,
but
there
are
process
and
procedural
areas
that
we
wouldn't
want
a
short
circuit.
If
that
makes
sense
or
can't.
A
Q
Q
H
Just
one
more
thing:
I
agree
that
there's
you
know
more
departments
that
we
work
with
a
little
bit
closer
than
other
departments,
but
I
mean
I,
probably
do
most
of
my
communication
via
email
or
or
phones.
So
luckily
that
doesn't
go
away
with
Plaza
349,
because
I
think
that
there
are
some
real
needs
right
now
and
and
I
appreciate
these
ongoing
conversations
to
get
people
the
space
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
actually
function
and
do
their
work
and
not
just
one
department,
but
it
in
a
lot
of
our
departments.
It
seems
like
and.
Q
I
appreciate
that
councilmember,
Fowler
and
I
know
we
appreciate
across
the
administration
the
working
relationship
that
we
have
with
the
council
and
also
the
collaboration
that
we've
really
been
emphasizing
internally,
and
so
that
is
not
just
a
space
issue.
That's
the
philosophy
and
an
ideology.
I
think
that
we
all
share
so
that
no
matter
where
individual
departments
are
that
notion
of
collaboration
and
coordination
will
remain
a
critical
part
of
the
way
that
we
do
our
work
internally
and
with
the
council.
We.
A
Q
Q
A
My
time,
hello,
it's
5:15
and
we're
gonna
finish
up
our
budget
amendment
to
back
I'm
back
on
the
air,
and
we
have
chief
Brown
in
a
suit
and
then
ladki
from
our
council
office
staff,
my
director
of
community
and
neighborhoods,
my
great
burg,
if
you
three
want
to
come
up
and
have
this
discussion
about
item
818,
our
East
Side
Police,
Precinct
land
acquisition,
1.3
million
dollars
approximately
from
the
surplus
land
fund
and
2.2
from
the
police
impact
fees.
Ben,
do
you
want
to
start
us
off
on
any
updates
on
this
item?.
G
The
administration
did
provide
additional
information,
I
believe
it
is
printed
and
in
your
folders
it
on
the
very
first
page.
It
has
a
Eastside
precinct
and
the
information
has
a
few
components
to
it.
The
first
one
is
information
on
bond
financing.
There
are
a
couple
of
scenarios
that
the
city's
financial
advisors
provided,
which
Finance
can
speak
to
if
there
are
questions
on
those
options.
G
There
is
also
information
that
the
council
previously
saw
about
qat,
essentially
questions
and
answers
from
the
police
department,
and
then
there
is
a
12
page
Liberty
precinct
space
needs
assessment
from
just
over
a
year
ago,
which
breaks
down
the
needs
based
on
staff
and
uses
at
a
proposed
Eastside
police
precinct.
So
those
are
the
three
main
components
of
the
information
the
administration
sent
us
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
want
to
go
into
them
in
that
order
or
open
it
up
for
questions
any.
G
P
So
I've,
given
you
two
like
Ben,
said
a
12
million
and
a
20
20
million
dollar
proposal.
Twelve
million
dollar
proposal
is
based
on
43,000
square
feet
at
210
dollars
per
square
foot,
plus
a
little
bit
over
two
million
dollars
for
furniture,
fixtures
and
equipment.
The
twenty
million
dollars
is
based
on
fire
station
number.
Three.
We
did
an
eight
million
dollar
bond
on
fire
station
number
three.
It
was
17,000
square
feet,
I
take
17,000,
multiply
it
by
two
and
a
half
I
get
about
42,000
I,
don't
remember
and
some
square
feet.
P
So
if
I
take
the
8
million,
multiply
it
by
2
I
get
a
20
million
dollar
bond,
so
I
gave
you
even
though
they're
wide
ranges
between
12
and
20
million
I
thought
you
could
get
a
feel
for
what
the
debt
service
was
going
to
be.
We
envisioned
this.
If
we
don't
start
building
for
18
months,
approximately
18
to
20
months,
then
we
can
do
what's
called
a
capital
interest
for
18
months
and
we
won't
have
debt
service
payment
due
until
about
the
time
the
debt
service
falls
off
on
Steinar.
P
So
you
will
see
the
last
debt
service
payment
is
in
July
of
2021
and
that's
also
in
your
packets.
So
that
will
be
a
debt
service
payment
of
about
5.3
million
dollars
that
will
fall
off.
So
if
you
did
it,
if
you,
if
you
constructed
it,
that
way,
you
wouldn't
have
to
add
debts,
you
wouldn't
have
to
add
more
debt
service
onto
the
debt
service,
we're
already
incurring
so.
G
If
I
can
just
build
on
that
the
5.3
million
dollars
that
would
fall
off
when
you
think
back
to
CIP
the
graph
of
debt
load,
it
drops
significantly
in
2021.
That
is
this
Steinar
bond,
that's
being
talked
about
so
when
that
drops
off
that
5.3
million
would
go
into
CIP
and
it's
available
for
any
project
that
the
council
wants
to
spend
it
on.
So,
if
you
were
to
issue
a
bond
after
that,
Steiner
bond
drops
off.
It
would
be
eating
into
that
5.3
million.
A
P
P
Other
thing
that
you
need
to
notice
I
did
two
separate.
We
asked
financial
advisors
for
two
separate
ones:
one
a
sales
tax
bond,
one
in
LB,
a
bond
lb,
a
bonds
are
more
expensive.
The
interest
rates
a
little
bit
higher,
so
the
different
sales
tax
would
eat
into
our
sales
tax
ratio,
but
because
the
debt
service
is
falling
off,
that's
not
a
significant
impact
with
fire.
We
did
both
LP
a
bonds
because
we
did
not
want
to
eat
into
that
sales
tax
capacity.
So
that's
reason
we
did
lb
a
bonds
lb.
A
G
If
there
are
no
further
questions
on
the
bonding
information,
then
I
believe
the
next
section
is
the
Liberty
Division
precinct
proposals,
questions
and
answers,
and
this
was
slightly
updated
from
the
version
that
was
sent
to
the
council
previously,
and
the
chief
is
here
to
answer.
Questions
on
the
operations
and
some
of
the
building,
Andrew
Berg
I
believe
can
speak
to
some
of
the
square
footages.
S
T
I
think
the
new
information
that
you've
got
this
year,
so
we
just
wanted-
or
this
year
this
meeting
we
just
wanted
to
clarify
and
make
sure
as
a
department.
Excuse
me
we're
kind
of
on
the
same
page,
so
I
think
the
minimum
square
foot
require
for
a
police
precinct
is
43,000
I,
think
it's
42
18
about
43,000
with
a
maximum
of
48,000
I.
T
Think
when
it
comes
to
acreage.
The
ideal
scenario
for
a
property
is
2.5
acres
or
above,
but
it
is
possible
to
build
on
smaller
parcels.
If
these
parcels
are
configured
properly,
you
have
the
ability
to
build
vertically.
You
can
do
underground
parking
and
things
like
that,
so
smaller
parcels
can
be
effectively
used
for
Police
Precinct.
If
some
other
conditions
are
possible.
A
Ok,
any
questions
council
members
I
think
that
I
its
semantics,
but
that
we're
in
a
built
out
City
by
and
large
we're
not
finding
3
acre
parcels
anywhere
that
we
would
like
to
locate
a
police
precinct,
and
so
maybe,
instead
of
saying,
ideally
you
could
say.
Historically,
we've
looked
for
two
and
a
half
to
3
acre
parcels
because
I
want
I,
want
to
hear
and
and
I
think
what
you're
telling
us
is.
You
can
build
vertically.
You
can
accommodate
the
square
footage
needs
differently
and
that
it
isn't
necessarily
not
ideal.
S
S
A
S
Speak
just
a
little
bit
to
operational
efficiencies,
and
we
talked
we've
talked
for
a
few
weeks
in
a
row
now,
but
the
question
I
think
was
posed
by
you,
madam
chair
about.
Would
you
rather
have
more
money
for
cops,
or
would
you
rather
have
that
money
put
into
a
precinct
good
question,
I?
Think
when
you
look
at
that
scenario,
if
we
were
to
get
I,
don't
know
and
I'm
just
spitballing
here,
a
new
precinct
cost
us
twenty
five
million
dollars.
S
Now,
if
you
put
a
precinct
on
the
east
side,
you're
looking
at
operational
efficiencies
a
couple
years
ago,
everybody
all
the
patrol
was
housed
at
the
Pioneer
precinct.
That
meant
everybody
was
commuting
all
over
the
city
to
get
to
their
beats.
And
if
you
were
going
to
sugar
house,
the
drive
I
have
it
in
my
notes,
but
I
think
it
was
somewhere
between
20
to
25
minutes
to
get
there.
So
you
go
to
line
up
in
your
precinct.
You
then
drive
to
your
beat,
which
is
25
minutes.
You
patrol
your
beat.
S
S
Another
25
minutes,
if
you
have
to,
if
you
want
to
eat
lunch
at
the
precinct
or
workout,
it's
another
25
minutes
back
another
commute
back
to
your
beat
you
can
you
can
quickly
see
how
that
time
adds
up
and
so
and
and
if
you,
if
you
need
to
use
the
restroom,
you
go
to
the
precinct.
So
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
to
draw
you
back
to
the
precincts
with
one
precinct
it
a
lot
of
time
was
commuting
through
our
neighborhoods.
S
That's
an
operational
savings
compared
to
the
$500,000
of
about
20
officers
per
year
that
you're
putting
into
your
community.
So
it's
five
million
five
hundred
thousand
for
a
new
prea
for
what
you're
paying
for
that
precinct.
But
they
gain
in
officers
time
that
they
now
can
patrol
in
your
neighborhoods
is
a
net
gain
of
equivalent
to
a
twenty
to
thirty
officers.
A
G
I'm,
fine
we're
good.
So,
madam
sorry,
do
you
have
a
question
please
so
with
this
just
to
be
clear,
you
know
what
is
it
that
you're
looking
for
from
the
council
right
now,
I
know
that
you
know
there
has
been.
You
know
a
couple
of
different
parcels
that
you've
all
looked
at.
You
know
that
search
you
know
and
and
some
of
those
discussions
continue.
But
what
is
it
that
you
are
looking
for
from
us
for
this
budget
amendment.
T
Councilmember,
what
what's
important
for
us
is
to
get
this
cost
center
available.
So,
from
our
perspective,
from
cans,
involvement
in
this
process
is,
we
will
handle
a
real
estate
transaction
so
having
a
cost
center
allows
us
to
look
for
properties,
important
parcels
and
be
able
to
act
quickly
on
a
purchase
contract
with.
T
Obviously
this
all
the
due
diligence
safeguards
that
are
required,
but
it
allows
us
to
act
quickly
when
we
find
parcels
that
will
be
suitable,
we're
hoping
that
the
information
that
you've
got
in
all
these
the
handouts
and
attachments
gives
you
the
parameters
of
which
we
will
look
for
parcels
to
to
put
a
purchase
contract
on.
So
really
that
put
the
customer
allows
us
to
move
quickly
on
opportunities.
We've
had
conversations
about
a
couple
parcels
already
on
the
particular
conversation
we
had
in
closed
session.
T
We
need
a
cost
center
on
that
one
to
be
able
to
have
a
honest
and
and
meaningful
conversation
with
that
private
entity,
so
they
know
we're
serious
about
moving
forward.
So
on
that
particular
one
we
would
we
need
a
cost
Center,
so
we
can
reach
out
and
and
see
if
there's
a
contract
to
be
had
on
that
and
on
that
one.
As
we
talked
about
it's
complicated
and
there
would
be
many
steps
on
that
one,
but
we
really
need
that
cost
Center
to
move
forward,
and
so
that's
the
that's.
That's
the
ask
so.
G
If
something
is
so
if
you,
if
you
start
working
on
a
on
a
specific
project
or
a
parcel
and
it
doesn't
work
out
because
of
environmental
or
other
issues,
where
does
where
does
that
put
us
for
the
cost
center
I
mean
did
so
I
get
that
you
know,
there's
earnest
money
and
things
like
that
that
you
know
that
would
be
lost.
But
if
the
council
set
aside
a
cost
center
specific
parcels
may
know
you
know
if
they
don't
work.
What
happens
to
that
cost
center
money
too.
Can
it
be
moved
or
well.
T
I
think
a
couple
things
I
think
again:
we
would
enter
into
a
purchase
contract
with
any
property
property
owner
with
a
lot
of
safeguards
that
we
would
do
adequate
due
diligence.
There
might
be
some
earnest
money
that
could
be
lost
in
a
due
diligence
process
if
we
fell
outside
the
parameters
that
we
are
talking
about.
We
would
come
to
the
come
back
to
the
council
and
say:
we've
got
a
great
piece
of
property,
but
we
think
it's
might
cost
a
little
more
than
we
thought
there.
T
If
there's
unusual
issues
with
the
parcel
and
we've
talked
about
some
of
those
in
the
closed
session,
we
would
want
to
come
back
to
the
counts
on
on
that
specific
parcel
and
say
all
right,
we
can
do
this
deal
but
because
it's
an
unusual
arrangement,
we
want
to
talk
to
the
council
on
that
specific
one
and
make
sure
everyone's
comfortable
with
the
terms.
So
on
that
particular
one
we've
talked
about
in
closed
session.
We
definitely
come
back
to
the
council
and
have
a
further
conversation
on
that
one.
T
But
but
if
we
found
a
great
two
acre
parcel
that
met
the
parameters,
we'd
want
to
jump
on
that
and
start
doing
the
due
diligence
process
and
if
there
were,
if
it
fell
outside
the
costs,
or
there
was
some
unusual
condition
about
the
site,
we
would
I'm
gonna
go
and
talk
about
that
and
see.
If,
if
going
outside
those
parameters,
you
were
comfortable
with.
But
if
we
were
inside
these
parameters,
we
want
to
be
able
to
jump
on
an
opportunity
and
move
into
a
due
diligence
period.
F
Just
since
the
chief
is
just
off
a
plane
and
operating
without
notes,
we
probably
have
a
few
tweaks
to
come
circle
back
with
the
council
on
in
terms
of
the
specific
number,
so
we'll
just
work
with
you
on
those
that
that
we
switched
out
a
little
bit
of
that.
While
you
were
out
of
town,
okay,
Creek
deer.
F
I
T
I
think
I
think
I
would
tell
you
and
I'll
let
the
mayor's
office
if
they
want
to
talk
about
it.
I
think
by
asking
for
this
this
budget
and
moving
forward
on
this.
It
is
our
it's
our
goal
and
desire
to
buy
property
and
move
forward
on
on
an
East
Side
precinct.
So
I
can
tell
you
that
that
is
the
that
is.
I
That
a
conversation
we
can
have
at
this
point
with
David
litt
backer,
already
prepared
to
sort
of
pulling
it
out
of
left
field
right
now.
I
understand
but
I'm,
hoping
that
if
we're
gonna
talk
about
the
bonding
or
replacing
an
exert
expiring
existing
bond
for
another
bond
potentially
or
an
obligation
that
we
have
a
plan
that
but
other
projects
that
may
require
this
as
well.
Q
Member
I
really
appreciate
the
question
I
want
and
the
one
and
I
want
to
reiterate
what
Mike
said
director:
rework
that
in
moving
this
forward,
we
are
upholding
a
long-standing
policy
objective
of
the
city
and
we
think
that's
important
and
we
think
that's
a
priority.
Use
of
the
of
the
dollars
in
the
bond
capacity
I
would
need
to
get
back
to
you
on
the
part
of
your
question.
Q
I
And
I
guess
for
chief
Brown
for
the
right,
madam
chair,
please
just
a
quick
look
at
the
population
change
in
the
census,
tracts
I
know
we
know,
there's
growth
in
the
sugarhouse
area
and
that
precinct
another's
growth
downtown
in
north
of
downtown.
If
you
look
at
the
next
20
years,
just
sort
of
my
mindset,
how
do
you
envision
handling
the
downtown
growth
if
you
put
an
Eastside
precinct
so
I
understand
the
sugarhouse
gets
that's
that
resource,
but
if
the
second
major
growth
I'd
be
even
greater
than
that
is
downtown,
how
do
you
handle
that.
S
Again,
I'm
spitballing
here,
but
I,
think
I
think
we
would
look
at
a
precinct
that
would
either
be
called
the
downtown
precinct
or
Central
Precinct.
The
geographic
layout
of
our
city
is
about
five
to
seven
miles
wide
from
north
to
south
and
about
15
to
19
from
east
to
west.
It
makes
much
more
sense
to
have
a
sugar
house
or
Eastside
a
central
and
then
a
Westside.
G
You
I
would
add
that
the
capital
facilities
plan
transmittal
that
we
received
from
the
administration,
which
is
looking
out
10
years
for
what
all
of
the
city's
needs
are
I
know.
Most
council
members
have
had
a
chance
to
sit
in
meetings
with
the
administration
and
look
at
the
chart,
which
shows
are
expected
funding
and
then
the
funding
need,
which
is
significantly
greater
than
the
expected
funding
to
be
available.
G
And
when
you
look
through
the
individual
projects
in
the
capital
facilities
plan,
there
are
some
that
would
they
would
look
like
projects
for
bond
financing
as
a
new
facilities
building
or
adding
significant
improvements
to
Liberty
Park.
There
are
several
projects
in
there
that
are
multi-million
dollar
projects
that
would
not
be
able
to
be
funded
through
CIP
and
so
bonding
would
be
the
next
logical
financing
option.
G
Is
a
somewhat
urgent
item?
We
have
heard
from
the
airport
on
item
a
16,
it's
a
request
for
25
million
dollars
from
the
airport
fund
to
build
a
employee
parking
lot,
and
this
would
be
a
new
facility.
It
would
separate
screening
of
employees
and
it
would
speed
up
the
time.
So.
Passengers
and
employees
can
wait
in
shorter
lines
and
the
airport
has
asked
if
the
council
would
take
a
straw
poll
today,
so
they
would
have
an
extra
week
to
go
ahead
and
issue
the
RFP
and
start
moving
forward.
That
much
faster.
G
G
D
Just
echo
what
Ben
already
said
this
is
in
their
plan
and
it
would
have
come
to
us
again.
It
would
have
come
to
you
in
the
budget
for
next
year,
but
as
they've
looked
at
the
scope
and
some
of
the
things
that
they're
trying
to
get
done
earlier
with
with
trying
to
get
the
everything
on
track.
This
was
one
of
the
needs
that
they
wanted
to
bring
okay.
D
D
D
J
G
P
Actually
I
think
we
sent
it
like
4:30
I'm,
just
using
so
of
those
three
positions.
We
looked
at
the
date
of
termination
of
those
three
individuals
and
then
we
did
it
on
a
per
day
basis.
It
totaled
out
to
eighty
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
fifty
five
dollars.
The
position
they
want
is
a
Community
Development
grant
administrator,
which
an
annual
cost
of
ninety
thousand
seven.
Forty
four
did
you
say
ninety
mm-hmm,
but
we
don't
we're
going
to
do
six
months
because
they
won't
get
anybody
hired
till
January
anyway,
which
would
be
forty-five
thousand
three.
A
G
Real
quick,
a
few
housekeeping
items
that
are
worth
pointing
out
d9
is
repurposing
fire
impact
fees
and
I
point
this
out,
because
it's
an
example
of
the
city
using
impact
fees.
Well,
the
impact
fee
facilities
plan
had
four
projects
for
the
use
of
fire
impact
fees.
Fire
station
14
fire
station
3,
which
of
both
they're
both
new
stations,
relocated
the
fire
logistics
building,
which
is
the
old
fire
station
14
building
about
to
be
the
new
fire
training
center.
G
Three
of
those
four
have
been
completed,
and
it
is
now
set
up
in
a
way
that
the
ongoing
debt
service
for
those
projects
is
eligible
to
be
paid
with
fire
impact
fees,
and
we
don't.
We
don't
anticipate
the
city
needing
to
refund
fire
impact
fees
over
the
next
six
plus
years
because
of
the
way
this
is
set
up.
So
this
is
an
example
of
how
to
use
impact
fees
over
the
long
term.
Well,
excellent.
A
G
Also
wanted
to
point
out
d14:
this
is
increasing
the
donation
fund.
The
donation
fund
is
currently
set
at
$200,000,
so
if
the
city
received
more
than
$200,000
the,
it
would
need
to
come
back
to
the
council
to
use
those
donations.
The
administration
is
recommending
increasing
the
donation
fund
by
300,000,
so
now
B
half
a
million,
and
this
reflects
multiple
departments
going
out
and
receiving
larger
donations.
A
recent
example
is
the
$300,000
for
improvements
to
pioneer
park.
G
As
part
of
this,
there
are
discussions
about
creating
a
resolution
similar
to
the
CIP
and
debt
management
resolution
that
the
council
approved
and
updated
last
year,
so
that
in
writing
in
case
everyone
who
was
part
of
the
process
was
gone
in
writing.
It
clearly
lays
out
what
the
process
is
for
the
city
to
handle
donations,
and
this
may
involve
ordinance.
Amendments
were
waiting
for
the
attorney's
office
to
finish
their
review,
but
this
budget
amendment
would
increase
the
donation
fund
by
$300,000
up
to
half
a
million
okay.
A
P
We
are
right
now
currently
going
through
the
current
ordinance,
identifying
the
changes
that
we
want
to
complete
on
that
ordinance,
changing
the
policies
and
how
we
administer
it
administratively,
and
then
we
should
be
back
soon,
so
it
is
in
current
process.
I,
don't
think
it'll
take
that
long,
I
suspect
in
the
next
couple
months.
We
should
have
an
ordinance
drafted,
because
this
isn't
just
as
important
for
me
as
it
is
for
the
council
to
help
administer
these
donations
correctly
and
properly
coming
through.
Thank.
P
G
One
more
item
and
housekeeping
to
point
out:
it's
item:
six:
the
emergency
management
division
received
1.9
million
dollars
as
year,
and
this
is
funding
for
the
fix
the
bricks
program
where
residents
in
the
city
can
be
reimbursed
up
to
75%
of
the
costs
for
retrofitting
their
unreinforced
masonry
homes
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
it
out
because
we
know
there
are
thousands
of
unreinforced
masonry
homes
in
the
city,
and
this
is
another
opportunity
for
a
hundred
of
those
city
residents
to
make
their
homes
safer
in
the
event
of
an
earthquake.
That's.
A
G
A
You
thanks
for
your
assistance
through
this
we'll
move
on
to
item
7,
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
loan
mitigation
request,
centro
civico
senior
housing
at
155,
South,
600,
West
I
think
we
have
Kiera
Luke
from
our
office.
Thank
you
for
being
here
Kiera
and
Melissa
Jensen,
our
director
of
housing
in
the
Rhodes.
K
Kara
first,
thank
you.
I
was
actually
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
administration.
The
only
thing
I
have
to
point
out
is:
we
have
three
housing
trusts
phone
fun
loan
discussions
on
today's
agenda,
two
of
which
are
changes
to
existing
loans.
The
council
has
previously
approved
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
administration.
To
speak
to
the
details.
Thank.
H
You
so
much
as
part
of
the
expansion
of
what
we've
done
through
growing
SLC
and
the
sales
tax
money.
We've
also
done
some
changes
on
our
team
and
really
strive
to
get
rid
of
sort
of
single
responsibilities
for
single
people,
and
so
it's
much
more.
A
team
effort,
and
so
jen
has
really
stepped
up
and
we
brought
Bailey
on
and
has
done
a
tremendous
job
at
learning
the
business
of
Housing
and
is
overseeing
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
and
underwriting
many
of
our
loans.
H
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Bailey
to
tackle
these,
and
if
the
council
has
a
preference
on
how
to
go
through
these,
we
would
certainly
be
happy
to
do
that
if
you
want
her
to
do
an
overview
of
them
all
or
take
them
one
by
one.
We
do
have
two
of
the
three
developers
in
the
room.
If
the
council
has
technical
trust
questions,
we
can
certainly
invite
them
up
to
do
that
as
well.
Great.
N
My
name
is
Bailey
white,
so
I've
been
with
the
city
since
about
me,
but
so
the
three
loans
that
are
before
you
just
a
note
for
a
council.
We
are
trying
to
close
on
all
of
these
by
December
31st,
to
avoid
any
decreases
in
tax
credit
pricing
and
to
lock
in
their
financing
rates,
so
they're
all
hoping
to
have
action
taken
next
week.
So
the
first
one
that
we'll
start
with
this
centro
civico,
it's
a
collaborative
development
between
centro
civico,
Mexicano
and
peter
karoon.
N
This
request
is
for
635,000
at
a
2%
interest
rate
with
a
30-year
term
with
a
two-year
construction
period.
The
housing
trust
fund
alone
would
be
in
shared
second
position
with
a
lien,
Walker
and
repayment
would
be
based
on
surplus
cash
flow
and
is
also
providing
additional
financial
support
through
our
home
development
fund
for
approximately
three
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars.
So
in
total,
our
contribution
through
the
city
to
this
project
comprises
about
7.3
percent
of
the
project.
N
Costs
which
are
estimated
to
be
at
13
million
construction
is
scheduled
to
begin
in
January
and
estimated
to
take
about
15
to
16
months
so
concluding
early
in
2020.
The
cost
per
unit
is
about
two
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand
and
the
housing
trust
fund
cost
per
affordable
units
is
fourteen
thousand
seven
hundred.
This
is
a
sixty
one
unit,
mixed
income
development.
There
are
49
units
of
affordable
housing
and
twelve
market
rate
units.
The
project
is
a
mix
of
studios,
one
bedrooms
and
two
bedrooms.
N
The
affordable
units
will
be
serving
households
at
or
below
50%
area
median
income.
So,
as
Melissa
mentioned,
this
project
has
come
through
housing
trust
fund.
Before
previously,
the
project
undergo
significant
environmental
remediation
at
the
site
which
they
have
completed
and
they've
received
clearance
from
the
Utah
Department
of
Environmental
Quality
to
proceed
and
its
other
funders.
So
there
were
some
timing.
Constraints
of
the
project
ran
into
and
increased
construction
costs,
as
every
project
we
discussed
tonight
has
seen
so.
The
project
returned
its
2017
tax
credits
and
applied
for
2019
tax
credits.
N
As
this
was
a
significant
financing
shift,
we
determined
that
we
needed
to
review
the
application
again
and
bring
it
before
you.
The
2019
tax
credits
have
not
been
announced
yet
they're
anticipated
to
be
announced
either
next
week
or
the
following
week.
The
housing
trust
fund
does
not
normally
evaluate
projects
without
their
primary
fact
financing
in
place,
but
because
the
financing
is
going
to
be
announced
so
quickly,
and
because
this
is
a
similar
request
to
the
previous
one
we
felt
like
it
was
appropriate
to
move
forward
with
it.
N
One
is
that
the
housing
trust
fund
award
be
dependent
on
tax
credits
being
awarded,
and
the
second
is
that
annual
payments
to
the
housing
trust
fund
loan
need
to
be
made
before
annual
payments
to
the
deferred
developer
fee,
we're
working
with
Utah
Housing
Corporation
to
discuss
what
that
would
look
like.
But
after
a
brief
call
today,
it
doesn't
sound
like
that
would
cause
any
issues
for
the
project.
N
If
the
project
is
not
awarded
tax
credits
in
the
2019
application
round,
it
won't
be
able
to
move
forward
and
the
housing
trust
funds
that
are
allocated
to
it
would
be
available
for
other
projects
work
with,
and
we
have
brandy,
farmer
and
Peter
Kroon
in
the
room.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
this
request,.
A
N
D
A
H
H
Don't
know
if
it
doesn't
look
like
Kimberly's
here,
but
a
shared
position
essentially
asserts
that
if
you
have
a
certain
amount
of
surplus
cash
that
amount,
if
you
don't
have
enough
to
pay,
both
will
be
divided
to
give
some
to
both
and
so
you're
each
getting
some
payment.
Although
it
may
not
be
the
whole
payment
and
is
it
equal.
H
F
Counsel,
we
had
a
conversation
earlier
where
the
council,
chair
and
vice-chair
were
present.
We
discussed
with
the
administration
quite
a
few
policy
issues
that
that
relate
to
the
loan
program,
and
one
of
those
is
the
use
of
the
help
me
Melissa
cash
flow
loans.
Is
that
what
they're
called?
So?
Those
are
that's
a
concept
that
you
might
want
to
talk
about
as
a
group
at
some
future
date.
Just
so
that
you
can
recognize
the
risk
and
maybe
ask
if
there
are
any
ways
for
the
city
to
mitigate
the
level
of
risk.
So
what
are?
F
A
J
L
E
D
L
L
A
N
So
the
Magnolia
is
an
innovative,
deeply
affordable
housing
project
that
is
occurring
between
cowboy
partners,
form
development
and
the
route
home.
The
Magnolia
will
be
65
units
of
permanent,
supportive
housing.
It's
targeting
a.m.
eyes,
25%
on
and
below.
This
project
is
part
of
the
larger
violence
school
Commons
campus
that
includes
the
Magnolia,
the
metropolitan
and
Liberty
uptown.
This
loan
request
is
for
up
to
1
million
dollars
at
a
zero
percent
interest
rate
over
30
years.
This
loan
would
be
in
third
position
and
repayment
would
be
subject
to
surplus
cash
flow
after
operations
and
supportive
services.
N
This
project
has
also
sought
out
support
from
an
affordable
housing
program
grant
through
the
Federal
Home
Loan
Bank
of
Des
Moines,
the
maximum
award
for
that
is
up
to
750,000.
So
the
what
the
developers
would
like
to
do
is
if
they're
awarded
any
amount
of
funding
through
the
HP
grant.
We
would
reduce
how
much
Housing
Trust
funding
they're
awarded
so
that
we're
not
over
subsidizing
the
project.
The
development
team
is
expecting
to
hear
back
on
the
HP
grant
in
about
January,
maybe
late
December
at
1
million
dollars.
N
This
request
makes
up
7%
of
the
total
project
cost,
which
are
approximately
14
million,
that
breaks
down
to
a
cost
per
unit
of
two
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand,
and
the
housing
trust
fund.
Cost
per
affordable
unit
will
be
about
fifteen
thousand
three
hundred
hand
released
an
RFP
to
develop
the
property
of
315
East.
Three
hundred
South
that
required
the
previous
public
safety
building
be
rehabilitated
to
historic
standards,
which
is
what
the
Metropolitan
will
be.
The
RFP
also
required
proposals
to
include
mixed
income,
housing,
neighborhood
oriented
businesses
and
services
and
permanent
supportive
housing.
After
being
awarded.
N
This
project
went
through
a
public
benefits
analysis
to
qualify
for
below
market
rate
financing
for
the
purchase
of
the
land
from
the
city.
The
public
benefits
analysis
determined
that
there
would
be
multiple
public
benefits
associated
with
this
property,
including
market
rate,
housing,
affordable
housing,
permanent
supportive
housing
and
public
open
space.
So
the
creative
financing
solution
that
was
utilized
was
including
1.3
million
dollars.
Do
it
loan
closing
and
then
the
remainder,
the
remaining
3.7
million
to
be
paid
to
the
city
through
a
seller?
N
Note
at
0%
interest
for
the
first
five
years
and
then
going
up
to
two
percent
interest
for
the
remainder
of
the
loan
term.
Due
to
increasing
construction
costs,
they
ran
into
a
large
financing
gap.
When
that
became
evident,
they
undertook
a
few
cost
efficiencies
evaluations
and
revised
the
project
to
try
to
reduce
the
gap
as
much
as
possible,
including
submitting
for
the
HP
grant
award.
N
Sorry
they're
expecting
to
begin
construction
in
January
and
it's
gonna
be
about
the
same
period
about
15
months,
so
early
spring
2020,
once
the
building
has
been
constructed,
the
road
home
will
be
responsible
for
operating
the
building
and
providing
the
supportive
services.
The
Housing
Trust
Fund
Board
did
unanimously
support
this
project
and
spoke
to
the
need
of
permanent
supportive
housing
within
the
community
and
then
I
believe
we
have
the
whole
team
here.
Yeah.
I
A
We'd
like
to
give
the
team
there
in
the
back
here
for
a
Magnolia
opportunity
to
come
up
and
speak
to
us.
If
you
want
you,
you
don't
have
to,
it,
doesn't
look
like.
We
have
questions
for
you,
but
we
appreciate
it
that
you
came
out
tonight.
You
can
have
any
amount
of
time
under
five
minutes
and
please
introduce
yourselves.
A
All
right
I'm
excited
to
get
this
project
under
construction.
Sorry,
it's
it's
a
remarkable
project
to
have
this
amount
of
permanent
supportive
housing
happening
in
the
downtown
area
and
in
good
hands.
So
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
supporting
this
any
comments,
questions
council
members
before
you
move
on
to
item
9
looks
like
you're
set
up
for
a
vote
on
Tuesday
like
the
rest
of
these
okay.
N
So
project
open
phase
2-
it
was
previously
known
as
North
fourth,
so
that
might
have
been
the
name
that
it
originally
came
under.
It's
planned
to
be
a
95
unit,
mixed
income
development
with
74,
affordable
units.
This
development
was
presented
back
in
early
20:17
for
a
1
million
five
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
short-term
loan,
which
the
council
awarded.
N
At
that
time
they
were
anticipating
they
would
be
able
to
pay
back
all
of
the
funds
within
the
three-year
period
increases
in
construction
costs
and
the
decrease
in
tax
credit
pricing
has
led
to
them
needing
to
retain
a
portion
of
the
loan
in
their
permanent
financing
stack.
So
this
request
is
to
amend
to
their
previous
request
so
that
they
can
pay
back
five
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
in
either
February
of
2020
or
at
construction
loan
closing,
whichever
occurs
earlier,
with
the
remaining
1
million
to
remain
in
the
project
in
the
permanent
financing
staff.
N
So
the
million
remaining
and
the
permanent
financing
staff
represents
about
five
point.
Four
percent
of
the
total
project
cost,
which
are
estimated
at
17
million.
The
interest
rate
on
this
loan
would
be
two
percent.
The
loan
will
be
amortized
over
forty
years
with
an
eighteen
year
term
in
balloon,
payment
will
be
in
second
position
behind
Rocky
Mountain
CRC.
N
The
cost
per
unit
is
approximately
a
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
and
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
loan
cost
per
affordable
unit
will
be
about
thirteen
thousand
one
of
the
unique
features
that
this
project
houses
that,
as
I've
continued
to
evaluate
their
unit
mix
they've
committed
to
providing
a
greater
number
of
large
sized
units,
especially
three
and
four
bedrooms.
So
while
they
originally
had
a
higher
number
of
units
in
the
total
project
as
they've
had
to
downsize
it,
they
have
included
larger
units.
N
So
now
the
project
actually
has
more
bedrooms
than
it
did
when
it
originally
came
through
this
board.
So
there's
no
additional
cash
going
out
the
door.
This
is
all
cash
that
has
been
out
that
is
just
requesting
to
stay
out,
and
then
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
advisory
board
voted
unanimously
to
support
this
request,
and
then
we
do
not
have
the
developer
here.
Today
they
were
unable
to
make.
It
was
scheduling,
conflicts.
N
N
F
Good,
that's
what
I
wasn't
following
and
an
interest
rate
is:
did
you
say
to
its
two
percent?
Okay,
okay,
great
thanks
and
that's
another
policy
thing
that
will
come
to
you
about.
Is
you
know
some
parameters
because
we're
seeing
more
thirty-five
and
now
a
forty
year
and
and
interest
rate
a
lot
of
times,
they'll
need
to
negotiate
several
of
these
things.
A
Not
having
to
do
with
this
project
to
say
a
moment,
yeah
more
about
that
I
think
as
we've
worked
to
expand
our
funding
opportunities
for
housing
and
to
open
the
doors
for
more
affordable
housing.
We
it's
natural
that
we
need
to
balance
that
with
policy
considerations
around
how
much
public
investment
is
appropriate,
and
so
those
are
conversations
we'll
have
in
the
future.
But
on
this
particular
project,
any
questions.
N
N
N
I
D
K
Just
to
add
to
the
policy
consideration
of
balancing
one
of
the
attachments,
that's
included
on
each
of
these
is
a
map
that
I
happen
to
think
is
really
fun
and
it
shows
the
city's
current
investments
prior
to
these
conversations
and
how
they're
distributed
throughout
the
cities
and
the
map
actually
comes
with
layers
that
you
can
turn
on
and
off
to
see
how
they're
rated
by
the
Gardner
Policy
Institute
in
terms
of
access
to
jobs,
transit
schools
and
their
overall
composite
opportunity
ranking.
So
that's
probably
going
to
be
included
with
future
housing.
A
Well,
I'd,
like
a
meeting
to
learn
how
to
use
this
tool
better,
doesn't
seem
to
be
working
for
me
at
the
moment,
but
will
I'd
love
to
learn
how
to
use
this
anything
else.
Council
members
were
set
up
to
take
action
on
this.
These
three
loans
and
loan
modifications
on
Tuesday
next
week,
good
job,
Bailey,
Thank,
You,
Jennifer
and
Melissa,
and
Kiera
and
I
think
our
board
appointment
has
joined
us
and
so
I
want
to
invite
Joe
PA
walk
OMA
to
come
up
and
we
can
have
a
board
appointment
for
the
cultural
corps.
A
K
A
R
My
name
is
Joe
Kiawah
coma
I
am
the
founder
and
current
president
of
young
professional
Salt
Lake
City
I
currently
sit
on
the
culture
core
Advisory
Committee,
sub,
Advisory,
Committee
and
I'm,
just
really
passionate
about
us
having
a
downtown
that
is
great
to
live,
work
and
play
for
everyone.
So
I
really
I
really
want
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
that
wonderful.
A
H
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
met
Joe
Pia,
while
I
was
campaigning
last
year
and
she
came
to
one
of
my
events
and
I
immediately
said:
I
adore
you
can
we
please
be
friends,
and
luckily
she
didn't
get
too
frightened
off,
by
my
sake,
nature
instead
said
sure
and
I'm
so
glad
that
you're
going
to
be
on
this
board
and
that
you're
still
as
involved
as
you
have
been
always
I
every
time.
I
have
a
young
professional
mentee
that
that
says
what
do
I
do
in
Salt,
Lake
and
I
said
yeah.
J
J
G
A
Resounding
support
you
don't
have
to
stick
around
so
at
our
formal
meeting
tonight.
It'll
just
be
a
part
of
the
consent
agenda
that
you
are
approved
and
you
can
tune
in
on
channel
17
or
you're
welcome
to
stick
around,
but
it's
fairly
uneventful
as
part
of
a
consent
agenda.
So
we
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve.
Thank
you
guys
so
much
thank
you
and
with
that
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
last
item.
A
O
O
The
information
thank
you
for
having
us
pleased
to
be
with
you
and
the
information
that
I
provided
to.
You
was
a
short
list
of
the
priority
items
that
we
anticipate
coming
up
during
the
next
session
and
on
some
of
those
we're
not
sure.
If
there
will
be
legislation,
we
know
it's
a
priority
and
people
are
watching
it.
A
O
O
Land
Commission's
development
costs
those
types
of
things
the
the
local
government
portion
of
those
fees
is
relatively
small,
but
it's
one
of
the
few
pieces
that
is,
that
can
be
adjusted,
and
so
there's
been
lots
and
lots
of
attention
on
that
portion
of
the
equation.
I
think
I'm
happy
to
pursue
the
issue,
but
I
think
it
is
highly
unlikely
there
were.
We
would
be
able
to
get
impact
fees
expanded.
You
know
in
an
environment
when
there
is
increasing
pressure
to
contract,
so.
I
Agree
I
think
there's
also
been
some
discussion
about
loosening
some
of
the
restrictions
on
use
of
impact
fees,
either
the
term
that
you
have
to
return
them
in
or
I
heard,
maybe
looking
at
what
you
can
use
them
for.
In
those
cases
it
may
be
helpful,
but
yeah
I
think
there's
no
I've
heard
no
sort
of
incentive
to
allow
cities
to
increase
them.
If
anything,
they
want
to
pull
them
back.
I
G
That
to
that
point,
I,
don't
think
you
know
what
we're
looking
for
is-
and
you
know
in
addition
to
the
impact
fees
are
already
there,
but
to
Anders
point
I
mean
the
restrictions
are
so
tight
right
now
that
it's
really
difficult
to
use
them
for
what
they
actually
are
intended
to
be
used
for,
which
is
dealing
with
growth.
That
comes
with
you
know:
natural
growth
in
a
city.
G
So
even
if
we,
you
know,
look
at
it's
just
the
flexibility
piece
if
this,
but
if
they
want
to
eliminate
something
or
decrease
it
then
I
think
as
long
as
they
do
that,
while
allowing
more
flexibility
on
what
it
can
be
spent
on.
Maybe
that
could
be
okay,
because
I
mean
what
are
the
things
that
we
keep
getting
stuck
with?
Is
impact
fees
that
end
up
having
to
be
returned,
because
we
can't
spend
them
fast
enough,
because
the
projects
are
so
restrictive
that
it's
it's
tough
to
have
those
projects
come
around.
I
I
There's
a
counter-argument.
Obviously,
this
being
positive
but
I
mean
that's.
There's
a
strong
sort
of
push.
The
narrative
of
this
being
created
come
from
a
lot
of
areas
that
so
it'd
be
it'd,
be
to
be
a
little
bit
frightening.
What
could
or
couldn't
happen
what
you
open
it
up
so
I
agree.
I,
think
the
flexibility
be
great,
but
I
don't
see
a
willingness
to
give
more
flexibility,
because
there's
a
narrative
saying
that's
a
problem
that
cities
have
any
flexibility
in
this,
then
that's
causing
that's
causing.
The
problem
is
the
narrative
developers.
I
J
J
O
The
dialogue
on
sales
tax
is
not
entirely
clear,
but
there's
been
rumblings
about
it,
but
because
that
is
a
really
really
big
ticket
item
for
us
and
for
most
cities.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
on
our
radar
screen
yeah,
depending
on
the
voice
historically
I
say
historically
a
few
years
ago.
People
would
have
said:
well
we
we
we,
we
ought
to
restructure
sales
tax
so
that
cities
are
focusing
on
job
creation,
because
right
now
the
state
the
state
gets
money
through
income
tax
cities
get
no,
we
get
if
we
bring
in
new
jobs.
O
O
Now,
I,
don't
know
if
that
will
go
anywhere,
but
obviously
Salt,
Lake,
City
and
and
any
major
commercial
center
would
would
would
experience
a
significant
financial
impact
if
there
were
any
shift
from
point
of
sale
to
population.
And
the
irony
of
this
is
that,
in
all
of
the
meetings
that
we
have
been
to,
everyone
praises
Salt,
Lake
City,
for
what
we
have
done
and
how
aggressive
we
have
been
in
pursuing
density
and
affordable
housing.
And
yet
this
very
dialogue
on
sales
tax
would
punish
the
one
city
that
has
done
it.
O
J
D
O
A
D
O
O
Doesn't
your
hearing
nothing
I,
think!
That's!
That's
fine!
We'll
start
with
this,
knowing
that,
of
course,
things
will
change
as
we
go
along.
We
also
I
would
also
say
I
appreciate
very
much.
Those
of
you
who've
been
serving
on
the
legislative
subcommittee.
That
dialogue
is
enormously
valuable
and
with
councilmember
kitchens
departure
I
hope
you'll
make
some
adjustments
so
that
we
have
the
full
complement
of
voices
there
to
help
us
give
us
the.
A
F
Okay.
The
first
item
is
a
council
member
request
to
attend
a
training,
and
that
is
the
National
Alliance
to
End
Homelessness
and
its
councilmember
Johnston
who's
interested
in
attending,
and
it's
in
February
the
20th
through
the
22nd.
So
our
policy
requires
that
the
council
consider
whether
to
approve
travel
outside
of
the
typical
three
or
four
options
for
council
members,
and
then
because
this
does
relate
to
city
business.
That
question
we
usually
ask
is
if
it
is
a
proof
for
councilmember
Johnston
to
go.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
is
interested
in
hearing
more
about
it?.
H
H
J
A
F
Then
the
next
item
is
your
draft
calendar
and
it's
important
that
we
really
do
some
studying
on
so
that
we
don't
have
surprises
throughout
the
year
bond
council
and
the
administration
rely
on
this
as
they
make
plans
for
projects
and
get
their
approvals
lined
up
so
I
think
you
have
received
this
via
email
in
advance
and
need
to
check
with
you
to
see.
If
there's
anything
that
concerns
you
you'll
see
that
we
have
penciled
in
a
lot
of
options
in
January,
because
you
will
be
selecting
a
new
peer
in
District
four.
F
So
we
listed
a
lot
in
order
to
just
preserve
all
of
your
options.
So
what
the
staff
has
indicated
is
that
it
would,
if
you
could
get
them
any
comments
that
you
have
or
concerns
by
Thursday
December
6th.
That
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
list
any
things
that
you
need
to
discuss
changing
so
this
Thursday,
and
that
way
they
can
get
the
possibility
of
getting
it
adopted
on
the
agenda
for
the
11th.
A
J
F
A
J
J
G
I
mean
I
would
I
think
that
it
would
only
make
sense
to
have
that
after
that
vacancies
been
filled,
you
know
it
may
be.
It
may
have
to
be
a
different
one.
Just
be
there
a
different
type
of
planning
meeting,
because
you
know
by
the
time
you
know
we're
into
February
with
the
legislative
session.
Everything
else
so
it'll
probably
have
to
look
a
little
bit
different
than
then
it
has
in
the
past,
but
that
would
be
that
was
gonna,
be
my
question
itself.
F
We
might
end
up
having
to
ask
you
to
meet
on
a
Thursday
or
something
like
that,
because
I
don't
think
they
would
approve
a
day,
but
they
wouldn't
approve
the
Election
Day
for
truth
in
taxation
and
then
I
also
don't
know
if
Night
Out
against
crime,
yeah
and
a
lot
of
communities
don't
do
the
traditional
approach
on
that
night.
District
too
often
does
right,
I
think.
A
That,
okay,
this
year,
we
kind
of
ran
into
what
I'm,
seeing
on
the
proposed
calendar,
where
the
last
three
Tuesday's
in
July.
We
aren't
scheduled
to
have
a
meeting
and
if
we're
looking
to
not
hold
one
on
the
13th,
that
is
too
big
a
gap,
I
think
too,
we
almost
had
any
have
to
hold
it,
either
on
the
6th,
through
the
13th
of
August
or
or
the
9th
yeah.
F
F
There's
a
narrow
window
that
we
have
to
live
within
for
the
truth,
in
taxation,
hearing
and
I
I
think
the
last
part
of
July
is
too
early
and
the
16th
might
be
too
late.
So
we'll
look
at
the
law
on
that,
and
so
these
are
all
great
things
that
we
will
come
back
to
you
with,
but
but
also
of
you
want
us
to
avoid
July,
2nd,
okay
and
look
more
toward.
Does
the
16th
feel
better
than
the
23rd.
F
R
The
first
bullet
point
under
January
is
about
the
retreat,
so
we'll
remember
to
bring
that
back
with
next
year's
chair
Vice
Chair.
Once
a
district
for
council
member
is
in
place.
The
next
question
has
to
do
with
the
RDA
schedule,
because
January
1st
is
a
Tuesday.
The
council's
meetings
would
be
the
8th,
15th
and
22nd,
which
means
that
RDA
could
either
be
on
the
eighth
as
the
second
Tuesday
or
it
could
be
on
the
15th
as
the
second
meeting
night
of
the
month,
and
so
the
council
can
tell
us
which
you'd
prefer
for
that
and.
R
It's
the
second
Tuesday
of
the
month,
but
that
you
can
change
it.
The
council
can
change
it
kind
of
trips
up
the
council's
rhythm,
because
then
that
becomes
your
work
session
only
night
and
if
that's
your
first
meeting
of
January
that
may
crunch
things
later
in
the
month,
so
we
thought
we
would
just
ask
you
and
what
your
preference
is,
since
it
would
be
an
exception
either
way.
R
A
A
R
Just
enough
way,
I
am
the
mayor
state
of
the
city
will
wait
to
hear
from
the
administration
on
when
the
state
of
the
city
will
be
the
last
few
years
that
hasn't
been
held
in
a
can
in
conjunction
with
a
council
meeting
anyway,
so
probably
be
separate.
Jumping
to
March
the
NLC
conference
in
DC
is
March
10th
through
the
13th.
You
have
a
RDA
meeting
scheduled
for
March
19th,
so
it's
not
a
conflict.
We've
shifted
those
meetings
around
to
accommodate
that.
J
G
D
D
R
Ask
the
front
office
to
resend
that
survey
monkey
link
to
the
councilmembers
in
May.
This
is
a
unique
year
where
we
typically
would
have
five
work
session
dates
in
May
before
the
council
is
getting
ready
to
adopt
a
budget
in
June
this
year.
There
are
only
four
Tuesday's
after
the
mayor
presents
her
the
budget,
her
recommended
budget,
and
so
we
were
thinking
that
it
will
be
more
than
likely
that
we'll
need
a
Thursday
work
session
to
avoid
you
know
just
to
provide
additional
time
for
those
Department
briefings.
R
P
A
F
A
R
And
as
in
previous
years,
council
staff
will
work
with
the
chair
and
vice-chair
to
review
the
budget
presentations
and
see
if
there
are
some
that
maybe
could
just
be
handled
as
a
written
briefing
so
that
we're
limiting
the
number
of
those
Department
briefings
during
your
work
sessions
in
July
in
August
I.
Think
we've
taken
care
of
those.