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Historic Landmarks Commission Meeting - May 2, 2019
A
You
guys
ready
okay
good
evening,
welcome
to
the
may
2nd
meeting
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
Historic
Landmarks
Commission,
welcome
to
everyone
we'll
get
this
going
here.
We
will
start
the
background.
Did
did
a
field
trip
go
out
tonight
no
field
trip
was
held.
We
didn't
visit
me
in
the
sights
commissioners
had
dinner.
There
was
no
business
discussed
at
the
dinner,
but
we
know
what
all
of
our
respective
kids
are
up
to.
A
A
Excuse
me
on
the
on
the
construction
of
the
hotel
building
issue
and
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
go
through
that
first
and
then
return
to
the
public
comment
period,
because
I
we've
got
a
number
of
people
who
would
appears
wish
to
speak
on
on
some
a
general
issue
that
isn't
on
the
agenda
tonight.
Commissioner
is
okay
with
that.
Okay,
so
be
it.
A
C
So
the
matter
before
you
this
evening
follow
us
on
the
approval
of
the
Union
Station
Hotel
Union
Pacific
Station
Hotel,
nine
known
as
the
Union
Station
Hotel
in
November
recently,
and
condition
for
of
that
approval
actually
dealt
with
several
matters.
This
is
one
of
the
points
of
those
four
on
condition
for
that
we're
looking
at
this
evening,
and
it
focuses
specifically
on
the
design
of
the
west
entry
to
the
station
and
the
hotel
building,
underneath
the
new
hotel
building.
C
Quick
reminder
of
where
we
are
because
we
need
that
a
quick
recap
of
recent
background.
The
aesthetic
landmark
Commission
approved
this
particular
development
proposal
with
the
new
hotel
in
on
November,
the
first,
with
four
conditions:
the
Planning
Commission
reviewed
the
proposals
for
planned
development
and
conditional
building
and
site
design
review
approvals,
initially
in
a
work
session
on
October
4th
and
then
approved
the
proposals
in
on
November
14th.
Tonight
we
deal
with
item
three
in
of
condition
for
that
the
Commission
added
to
their
approval
in
November.
C
Also
looked
at
an
architectural
lighting
scheme
for
the
West
facade
of
the
station
building
to
enhance
the
presence
of
that
within
the
courtyard
detail
of
that
has
to
be
worked
out,
yeah,
but
a
lot
of
scope
for
actually
making
more
of
that
facade,
and
they
were
also
concluding
and
I'll.
Come
back
to
this.
The
further
height
increases
involving
removal
of
a
floor
had
several
adverse
effects
on
the
design
of
the
new
Hotel
building.
C
Brief
run
through
the
the
plans,
this
is
the
primary
site
plan,
putting
there
the
new
building
and
the
context
of
the
existing
station
building.
This
is
quite
a
useful
demarcation
of
the
building
lines
between
what
exists
at
the
moment,
which
is
outlined
in
that
red,
Brooklyn
Line
and
what
is
currently
proposed
with
the
new
hotel
building.
You
can
see
the
slight
increase
in
the
widths
they're,
really
in
the
western
side
of
that.
So.
C
Though
that's
that's
tighter
on
its
western
side
and
what's
being
proposed,
and
then
a
representative
I
guess
is
level
four
plan
showing
the
kind
of
the
the
likeness
of
the
way
the
new
building
actually
connects
with
the
the
current
station
building
representative
of
most
of
the
floors
above
the
main
level
and
then
turning
briefly
to
a
section
through
the
station
building
and
through
the
new
hotel
building.
You
look
carefully
at
this
particular
drawing.
You
can
see
the
profile
of
the
sulphate
running
underneath
in
your
hotel
building.
That's
that's
slightly
higher
than
previously
proposed.
C
And
this
is
a
rendering
of
that
raised
ceiling
height
and
also
the
new
lighting
proposals
for
the
dome
lighting
within
that
particular
area
in
West
Portal
area,
as
viewed
from
the
West
and
the
same
view
at
night.
Enhancing
the
welcoming
nature
of
that
area,
plus
it's
it's
starting
to
illustrate
the
sort
of
the
lighting
of
the
West
facade
of
the
station
building
this
one
and
then
zooming
back
across
to
the
other
side
of
the
Gateway
plaza
itself.
C
C
The
way
that's
designed
the
way
it
tapers
towards
the
the
current
width
of
the
the
internal
courtyard
actually
tends
to,
and
it's
echoed
by,
the
the
paving
design
as
well.
That
tends
to
create
quite
an
effective
focal
point
through
to
the
station
building,
which
I
think
it
reads
quite
well,
the
as
we
were
saying,
the
soffit
height
has
been
increased,
the
lights.
The
down
lighting
of
that
area
has
been
enhanced
from
previous
proposals
and
the
introduction
of
an
architectural
lighting
scheme
for
the
West
facade
of
the
station
building
itself.
C
Obviously,
the
existing
view
of
the
station,
as
we
have
discussed
previously,
will
be
lost,
although
it's
really
fair
to
say
that,
generally,
that
there's
a
strong
case
being
made
that
the
new
hotel
building
will
make
a
significant
contribution
in
place
of
that
plus
it
reintroduces
the
semi-public
status.
I
think
an
importance
of
Union
Pacific
station
building
itself,
which
has
been
lost
for
so
many
years.
D
C
The
historic
Union
Pacific
station
building
and
helping
to
reestablish
it
as
a
center
of
economic,
cultural,
social
and
civic
life
in
this
part
of
the
city
and
happy
to
take
questions
comments
at
this
point
in
time.
I
know
the
applicants
are
here
and
how
their
own
presentation,
material
and
I
wish
to
run
through
that
as
well.
I.
E
Doesn't
relate
to
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here
today,
but
the
fourth
item
of
that
part
four
of
the
motion
having
to
do
with
the
restoration
of
the
Great
Hall.
There's
a
little
grumbling
after
the
last
meeting
on
this
project
about
whether
this
Commission
has
jurisdiction
over
interior
changes
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
for
the
benefit
of
the
applicant,
while
we've
got
them
here.
If
you
or
other
senior
staff
have
talked
about
that,
whether
that's
still
part
of
the
plan
or
not,
that.
C
Conversation
has
been
taken
any
further.
The
assumption
initially
I
think
is
probably
the
assumption,
as
it
still
stands,
that
because
of
this,
has
a
public
easement
through
into
that
Grand
Hall
and
through
the
building
that
the
interior
becomes
a
semi
public
asset
and
it's
in
its
own
right.
So
there's
a
strong
case
to
be
made
for
keeping
a
close
eye
on
the
character
of
that
interior,
I.
Think
and
I
know.
The
applicants
are
keen
to
actually
preserve
everything.
E
E
G
A
H
H
H
H
Carl
walked
us
through
the
building.
So
there's
really
probably
no
need
to
recap,
but
the
objective
that
we
really
set
for
ourselves
and
studied
over
the
last
few
months
was
to
try
to
create
a
more
welcoming
portal.
There
would
encourage
people
to
use
the
existing
public
access
that
exists
today
and
that's
something
that
was
really
part
of
our
design
from
the
very
beginning
really
reinforcing
this
existing
connection
between
Fort
West
South
temple
and,
ultimately,
the
Gateway
in
the
plaza
itself
color.
They
talked
about
this.
H
We
did
study
some
options
to
look
if
we
could
make
the
portal
any
taller
and
unfortunately,
that
would
mean
losing
as
many
as
nine
gasser
modules,
which
would
affect
the
financial
feasibility
or
viability
of
the
project.
We
tried
really
hard
to
maximise
dancing
on
this
right
site
and
not
exceed
a
building
hi
that
was
previously
approved
and
not
go
over
the
the
height
of
the
existing
historic
building.
H
In
addition
to
that,
what's
marked
in
red
here
are
the
two
stairs
that
are
not
only
serving
the
new
building
but
they're
also
serving
the
existing
history
building
and
replacing
the
freestanding
stairs
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
So
if
we
were
to
dissect
this
second-level
plan,
we
would
basically
have
to
introduce
additional
stairs
and
elevators,
which,
for
the
size
of
this
building,
would
also
be
infeasible
again.
H
This
is
just
the
kind
of
a
three-dimensional
representation
of
that
connection
from
fourth
west
through
the
Grand
Hall
exterior
courtyard
and
then
ultimately,
the
portal
that
leads
you
into
the
Gateway
Plaza.
Our
intent
always
has
been
to
reinforce
this
connection
by
creating
a
series
of
enclosed,
open
and
semi
enclosed
spaces
and
activate
him
through
programming.
H
But
the
other
thing
that's
been
really
important
to
us
is
maintaining
the
sense
of
human
scale,
which
is
something
that's
talked
about
in
the
design
guidelines
for
the
Gateway
in
the
design
guidelines
for
the
plant
development,
as
well
as
conditional
use,
and
this
rendering
I
think
represents
kind
of
the
spirit
and
sense
of
scale
that
we're
trying
to
maintain.
And
you
can
see
that
this
courtyard
does
provide
and
frames
the
view
of
the
plaza.
H
But
at
the
same
time
there
is
a
sense
of
intimacy
and
human
scale
that
we're
trying
to
preserve
so
there's
a
balance
between
making
that
portal
oversized
to
draw
people
in
and
really
creating
a
comfortable
pedestrian
space
that
were
trying
to
maintain.
This
is
the
rendering
of
that
we
presented
about
six
months
ago
and
based
on
my
notes
in
recollection
I,
think
the
concerns
that
were
expressed
was
that
it
wasn't
welcoming
that
it
felt
dark
and
perhaps
too
low.
H
So,
as
Carl
mentioned,
we
were
able
to
increase
the
height
of
the
portal
to
approximately
18
feet
without
really
affecting
the
feasibility
of
the
project
and
the
program
itself,
and
so
this
would
be
the
new
rendering
that
now
you
see
the
increased
height,
that's
approximately
18
feet
that,
as
Carl
pointed
out,
corresponds
to
the
height
of
the
cordis
in
the
drain
hole.
Another
thing
that
was
important
to
us
is
that
maintaining
the
height
of
the
portal
at
this
elevation
also
allows
us
to
maintain
the
faceted
articulation
of
this
facade.
H
When
we
did
some
studies,
we
were
trying
to
make
this
taller
aside
the
impact
on
the
program
and
financial
feasibility
of
the
project.
It
started
creating
a
bit
of
an
awkward
condition
where
this
West
facade
kind
of
started,
losing
its
integrity
sark
it.
Actually,
we
felt
that
it
wasn't
quite
appropriate
and
then,
last
but
not
least,
in
order
to
adjust
the
issue
with
light,
we
proposed
mm
lighting
that
could
be
left
on
during
the
day
as
well.
To
create
a
more
welcoming
experience.
A
I
Me
lead
off,
I
bet,
I,
think.
Maybe
three
questions
what
the
section
you
had
that
actually
had
floor.
Elevations.
You
don't
need
to
go
back
to
it,
but
do
this
level
two?
Is
it
at
the
same
elevation
in
the
historic
building,
as
well
as
the
okay,
the
new
hotel?
That's
of
answers
that
question,
because
I
was
wondering
if
you'd
studied
stretching
level
one,
but
if
it's
on
level-
and
you
describe
the
egress
issues
there,
so
I'm
answering
my
own
question
the
what
about
a
study-
and
this
is
a
good
view
for
it.
I
Any
study
of
recognizing
that
eliminates
hotel
units
right
there
above
Union
Station
any
study
of
making
those
hotel
rooms
there
sky
decks
essentially
or
connecting
the
corridor,
the
hot,
the
hotel
corridor,
making
it
a
glazed
connection
side
to
side,
but
then
making
the
east
and
west
a
glazed
Skydeck
sort
of
opening.
We.
H
Actually
did
studies
of
creating
both
what
you
just
described
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
it
really
boils
down
to,
even
if
we
just
have
a
glass
bridge
that
glass
bridge
would
be
shaded
for
the
most
part,
and
that,
alas,
will
still
have
a
significant
amount
of
flexibility.
So,
in
a
way
it
still
creates
a
solid
element.
So
on
one
hand
we
were
losing
gas
rooms.
On
the
other
hand,
we
weren't
really
getting
the
architectural
effect
that
we
were
hoping
for
right.
I.
I
Recognize
that
it,
you
know
the
the
treatment
of
the
outside
of
this
is.
Is
there
let
me
the
last
one,
the
rendering
and
I
think
it's
actually
in
the
staff
report
that
that
uses
the
word
extensive
downlights.
But
but
can
you
describe
the
lighting
proposal
that
you
have
there,
because
you
have
quite
a
lot
of
up
lighting
on
that
on
that
new
wood
ceiling,
soffit
ceiling
mm-hmm?
Do
you
have
any
specifics
there,
or
is
it
extensive
down
lighting
only
or
something
like
that
so
well,.
H
Again,
this
is
still
concept
design.
The
idea
is
to
really
illuminate
the
ceiling
and
diffuse
the
light
to
really
create
this
idea
of
a
floating
ceiling
which
would
visually
make
that
space
even
perceived
to
be
taller
than
it
really
is,
but
certainly
we
could
introduce
introduce
up
lights
of
the
columns,
some
kind
of
pedestals,
with
integral
lighting
and
additional
lighting
along
that
path,
as
well
as
inside
of
the
path
itself
yeah
that
could
further.
H
But
again,
we
felt
if
we
go
back
to
this
last
rendering
between
the
lighting
that
you
getting
from
the
first
level
on
both
sides,
delighting
Beyond
and
delighting
throughout
the
portal
itself.
That
there's
certainly
seems
to
be
adequate
lighting
to
create
a
more
welcoming
experience,
as
well
as
a
safe
experience.
The.
H
Was
part
of
the
reason
why
we
chose
a
wood
soffit,
because
what
does
have
the
ability
to
diffuse
lighting?
Even
if
it's
coming
from
the
down
lights,
it
does
have
the
ability
to
diffuse
it
and
spread
it
out,
rather
than
being
just
a
directional
down
light,
but
those
are
certainly
things
that
we
could
play
with.
Well.
This
is
architects,
flame
lighting,
designers
right
now,.
A
A
A
F
A
B
You
know,
I
am
generally
against
design
by
committee,
but
I
think
in
this
case
we
have
something
good
going
on,
and
this
is
certainly
a
big
improvement
over
what
we
saw
the
last
time.
So
with
that
said,
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
listed
in
the
staff
memorandum
testimony
and
the
proposal
presented,
I
move
that
the
Commission
approved
the
design
of
the
West
portal
for
the
Union
Station
Hotel,
located
about
two
South
400
West.
B
E
J
A
That
motion
passes
unanimously
so
that
that
is
approved.
Thank
you
very
much
looks
good
all
right
at
this
point.
We
will
return
to
the
public
comment
session
and
I
have
four
comment.
Cards
all
are
looking
at
the
pump
house
project
on
Canyon
Road.
Is
there
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
about
something
other
than
the
pump
out
at
this
time?
A
K
Hi,
my
name
is
Cecile
basket
and
I
live
at
231
Canyon
Road.
My
comment
relates
to
the
Salt
Lake
public
utilities
plans
for
the
4th,
Avenue
pump
house
and
the
park
block
that
it
sits
on
the
surrounding
median
blocks,
are
historic
structures
built
in
1909
and
helped
cement
the
walkability
of
the
area?
Why
isn't
the
Public
Utilities
Office
pursuing
better
designs?
Many
proposed
facility
components,
don't
fit
the
residential
area
or
are
difficult
to
maintain.
K
The
project
plans
should
take
better
cues
from
the
surrounding
park,
such
as
the
couple
in
cycle,
bridges
and
the
scale
of
block
installations.
We
also
need
to
better
discuss
this
project
because
we've
previously
debated
whether
the
facility
fits
with
the
surrounding
historic
homes,
but
have
not
yet
touched
on
how
the
parks
themselves
are
historic.
They
were
erected
as
landscaped
green
spaces
without
large
facilities,
and
this
has
not
yet
been
addressed.
Further
thoughtful
planning
is
warranted
because
the
Canon
Road
Park
blocks
are
examples
of
city
features
that
have
been
a
priority
for
decades.
K
K
First,
since
at
least
the
mid-1990s
residents
and
city
planners
have
been
very
excited
about
bringing
City
Creek
above-ground
and
in
fact
the
very
park
block
that
we
are
talking
about
was
depicted
in
the
Gateway
master
planning
documents,
so
that
block
was
included
as
an
excellent
example
of
how
to
elevate
City
Creek
above
ground,
and
during
this
time
period
people
were
very
enthusiastic
about
installing
Park
blocks
in
the
Gateway
district,
which
were
eventually
built
along
500
west.
Of
course,
that
area
still
struggles
today.
K
How
much
then,
should
the
city
disrupt
Canyon
Road,
which
has
downtown's
most
successful
median
parks?
I
know
this
is
one
of
many
projects
and
that
there
are
valid
concerns
about
the
current
well
and
that
I'm
commenting
because
I
live
on
Canyon
Road,
but
these
park
blocks
are
historic
and
they
host
steady
traffic
people
walking
their
dogs,
joggers
people
taking
wedding
photos,
quinceanera
photos,
the
parks
have
a
long
history
and
we
need
to
do
this
project
correctly.
L
Name
is
Lisa
Livingston
I
live
at
2:36,
North
Canyon
Road.
Two
years
ago
we
bought
our
116
year
old
home
that
sits
directly
north
of
the
park.
It
has
rotting
wood,
drafty
windows,
sloping,
creaky,
floors,
preservation,
easement
constraints,
costly
upkeep
and
will
most
likely
be
a
pile
of
rubble
in
the
next
big
earthquake.
We
fell
in
love
with
this
specific
area
14
years
ago,
when
we
moved
from
New
England.
L
We,
along
with
many
other
people
in
the
city,
could
feel
the
happy
vibe
of
people
spending
time
outdoors
with
family
friends
and
pets
all
seeking
and
seeking
peace
all
within
walking
distance
from
the
city.
This
park
is
a
resource
that
can
never
be
replaced.
We
knew
what
our
stewardship
and
limitations
would
be
in
regard
to
living
in
this
designated
historic
district.
It
seemed
worth
it
as
we
knew.
The
integrity
of
the
neighborhood
would
be
stable
and
protected
by
the
standards
by
which
everyone
must
abide.
L
We
willingly
assumed
responsibility,
knowing
that
it
would
be
more
time,
energy,
creativity
and
expense.
We
did
this
with
the
expectation
that
the
city
would
have
to
abide
by
the
same
standards
and
like
us
would
also
be
required
to
put
more
time:
energy,
creativity
and
expense
to
preserve
the
historic
personality
of
this
neighborhood.
We
all
agree
that
clean
water
and
worker
safety
are
vital.
I
believe
that
we
can
balance
these
needs,
while
preserving
the
historic
Park.
The
current
plan
for
this
project
will
desecrate
the
character
of
this
peaceful,
Historic
Park.
L
We
as
neighbors
and
community,
have
drawn
on
experience,
resources
and
expertise
in
presenting
viable
options
that
would
reduce
the
negative
impact
on
this
historic
park.
We
ask
you
to
respectfully
take
them
into
consideration.
We
are
new
in
this
neighborhood,
but
our
neighbors
have
been
playing
by
the
rules
of
the
historic
district
for
decades,
they've
taken
pride
in
their
neighborhood
and
have
put
until
time
and
resources
into
contributing
to
this
oasis
in
our
city.
We
want
future
generations
to
find
happiness
in
spending
time
with
family
friends
and
pets
and
in
finding
peace
in
this
special
area.
A
M
For
having
me,
my
name
is
Winston
Siler
I'm,
a
resident
of
Canyon
Road,
professionally
I'm,
a
petroleum
geologist,
a
design
executed,
drilled
about
296,
different
wells,
I'm,
a
resident
of
Canyon
Road
and
live
right
in
front
of
where
the
pump
house
will
be
just
want
to
make
a
few
comments
and
I
guess
in
short,
that
the
the
mass
of
the
utility
building
is
out
of
specifications
for
the
historic
district
ordinance
and
will
require
unprecedented
variances
in
mass
and
setbacks.
But
I
think,
fortunately,
there's
still
the
opportunity
for
improvement.
I
understand
that
you
know
public
utilities.
M
Their
current
stages
are
about
30%
engineering,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing,
because
it
means
there's
still
opportunity
for
improvement
on
their
design.
I
also
understand
that
the
Historic
Landmark
Commission
from
past
meetings-
you
do
not
have
much
say
over
the
engineering
within
the
building,
but
I
thought
it's
just
worth
just
mentioning
that
I
think
that
there
are
still
alternatives
and
still
engineering
solutions
to
shrink
that
footprint
further
I
think
to
very
specific
specific
items
as
a
flowmeter
that
they
have
inside,
which
currently
involves
a
flow
meter
about
15
feet
of
pipe
they're.
M
Off-The-Shelf
commercially
available
alternatives
that
you
can
take,
you
could
say,
have
a
more
modern
flow
meter,
ultrasonic
magnetic
Coriolis
effect
meter.
These
are
non
mechanical
flow
meters
that
can
give
results.
Accuracy
for
water
flow
volumes
of
a
tenth
of
a
percent
accuracy,
so
incredibly
accurate
a
meters
and
by
utilizing
those
you
have
the
opportunity
to
shrink
the
footprint
of
the
building
between
somewhere
12
to
15
feet.
So
approximately
a
30-foot,
30%
reduction,
I
think
another
opportunity
there
is
is
in
the
pump
selection.
The
well
currently
has
an
electric
submersible
pump.
M
That's
a
pump
that
is
down
about
270
300
feet
electrically
driven
pump.
You
don't
hear
it
there's
no
vibration
from
it.
The
current
plans
have
a
line
drive
pump
with
the
motor
at
the
surface
and
there
are
drawbacks
and
advantages
each
one
of
those
but
I
think
the
important
thing
is
that
they
can
still
do
an
electric
submersible
pump
biggest
advantage.
There's
no
there's
no
sound,
there's
no
vibration
to
that.
M
There's
gonna
be
there
for
a
hundred
years,
so
we
have
one
chance
to
do
this
correct
and
in
my
mind
the
real
measure
of
success
is:
is
this
something
that
folks
want
their
wedding
pictures
taken
out
front
of?
Because
that's
what
people
do
in
memory
grove?
It's
the
king,
genera
photos
the
wedding
photos,
it's
family
photos,
people
bring
their
couches
and
sit
down
to
take
these
photos
and
I
kind
of
feel
like.
If
whatever
is
built
there
meets
that
standard,
then
it's
pretty
good
good.
A
D
Hello,
my
name
is
Evan
Smith
and
I
live
across
the
street
from
the
4th
Ave
well,
I
know
nothing
about
pump
houses
or
how
they
operate,
but
I
thought
if
I
was
getting
one
in
my
front
yard.
I
should
get
a
chance
to
express
my
feelings
on
its
appearance,
though
any
utility
building
shoehorn
in
among
100
year
old
sycamore
trees
is
going
to
look
unnatural.
D
The
currently
proposed
pump
house
design
attempts
to
camouflage
the
many
metal
doors
circuit
boxes,
a/c
units
and
comically
enormous
waste
pipes
with
a
puzzling
number
of
multi-sized
multicolored
rectangles
of
various
materials.
Colors
and
textures
I
have
no
idea
what
type
of
water
pump
lives
inside
this
house,
but
from
the
patchwork
of
distracting
exterior
elements.
I
can
only
assume
that
it
is
a
very
confused
little
water
pump,
hopelessly
searching
for
its
identity.
It
is
hard
to
find
any
material
or
architectural
feature
in
the
pump
house
design
that
reflects
the
historic
nature
of
memory
growth.
D
My
neighbors
and
I
have
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
money
and
love,
keeping
our
historic
homes
historic.
Looking
my
house
is
annually
inspected
by
the
Heritage
Foundation
to
make
sure
the
appearance
reflects
a
particular
historic
aesthetic.
Yet
when
it
comes
to
the
appearance
of
the
pump
house,
it
seems
anything
goes
had.
I
known
the
city
would
allow
me
to
attach
a
9
foot
16
inch
diameter
waste
pipe
to
the
side
of
my
house.
I
might
have
long
ago
thrust.
D
One
proudly
from
my
1904
yellow
brick
Victorian
at
the
most
recent
open
house,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
ask
the
planners
why
the
pump
house
had
to
look
so
modern
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
I
was
told
it
would
be
deceptive
to
give
the
public
the
impression
the
pump
house
was
original
to
the
park.
I
was
shocked
just
22
years
ago.
The
city
decided
to
spend
millions
of
dollars,
making
a
walking
path
from
Temple
Square
to
memory
Grove.
They
brought
the
stream
above-ground
using
the
surrounding
River
rock
and
sandstone.
D
They
chose
benches
light
posts
and
bridge
head
walls
to
reflect
the
historic
neighborhood.
All
these
so-called
deceptive
elements
have
created
a
timeless
space.
Visitors
and
locals
need,
if
even
for
just
a
few
minutes
at
lunch,
a
walk
through
memory
grove
should
be
wooded
expansive
in
green
with
as
few
service
trucks,
steel
doors,
air-conditioning
units
and
electrical
boxes
as
possible.
Please
protect
memory,
grove
and
don't
allow
it
to
become
just
a
memory.
Thank
you.
A
A
N
So
to
start,
as
you
all
probably
know,
facilitating
new
housing
development
in
the
city
is
a
top
priority
of
our
current
administration.
For
our
current
five-year
housing
plan,
a
major
goal
is
to
reach
a
point
where
all
residents
of
Salt
Lake
City,
current
and
prospective
regardless
of
race,
age,
economic
status
or
physical
ability
can
call
a
place
to
find
home.
So
this
goal
not
only
emphasizes
the
creation
of
more
housing
in
general,
but
the
creation
of
different
types
of
housing
for
people
in
various
stages
of
their
lives
that
have
different
needs.
N
So,
with
this
in
mind,
the
city's
housing
plan
specifically
calls
for
the
removal
of
strict
zoning
regulations
that
can
impede
creative
housing
solutions
like
some
of
the
regulations
in
our
multifamily
zoning
districts.
So,
therefore,
multiple
updates
are
being
proposed
to
the
RMF
30,
which
is
our
low
density,
multi-family
residential
zoning
district,
which
I
will
be
running
through
this
evening.
N
So
before
we
dive
into
the
changes,
there
are
actually
four
multi-family
residential
zoning
districts
in
the
city,
ranging
from
low
dance
density
to
high
density,
so
RMF
32,
RMF
75,
and
this
map
here
shows
all
four
of
those
RMF
districts.
The
goal
is
to
solidify
updates
to
the
RMF
30
district
to
start
and
then
come
back
and
update
the
other
three
districts
in
a
similar
manner.
N
So
looking
solely
at
the
RMF
30
or
the
low
density
multi-family
residential
district,
there
are
approximately
1027
properties
located
in
this
zone
that
are
greater
than
2,600
square
feet
or
adequate
sighs
to
build
upon
and,
as
you
all
might
be,
interested
in
331
or
about
a
third
of
these
properties
are
located
in
our
central
city
and
university.
Local
historic
districts
looking
at
land
use,
the
majority
majority
of
these
parcels
are
actually
single.
Family
have
single
family
homes
on
them
or
565
of
the
parcels.
N
130
have
duplexes,
170
have
multifamily
buildings
or
buildings
with
three
or
more
units,
and
the
rest
vary
in
land
use
from
commercial
uses
to
larger
plan
developments.
I
also
want
to
mention
that,
with
these
updates,
the
city
is
looking
to
encourage
missing
middle
type,
housing
in
particular
missile
Minh
missile,
missing
middle.
N
It's
a
mouthful
housing
is
not
a
new
type
of
housing,
but
a
housing
that
is
that
exists
in
our
city
today,
like
duplexes
triplexes
row,
houses
and
small-scale
apartment
buildings,
these
types
of
housing
forums
can
accommodate
more
housing
units
or
greater
density,
while
remaining
compatible
with
lower
density
development
like
single-family
neighborhoods
missile
missing
middle
housing
units
also
tend
to
have
smaller
footprints
that
keep
their
price
down.
So
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
we're
going
through
these
changes
that
we're
trying
to
encourage
these
types
of
units
in
particular.
N
So
here
are
two
examples
of
this
kind
of
missing
middle
housing
that
fit
in
with
lower
density
neighborhoods,
but
also
accommodate
a
higher
number
of
units
per
acre.
So
there
are
numerous
examples
of
historic
missing:
middle
housing
types
in
particular
throughout
our
city.
The
problem
is,
it
can
be
very
difficult
to
build
to
build
these
types
of
housing
today
under
the
current
RMF
zoning
regulations.
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
these
forms
here,
the
first
set
825
South
800
East.
N
This
little
cottage
development
has
12
units
on
about
seven
2,500
square
feet
of
land,
and
that
equates
to
about
1,500
square
feet
per
unit
per
our
current
zoning
standards.
You
would
be
able
to
get
five
units
on
that
size
of
a
lot
and
then
at
682
East,
700
South.
They
have
sixteen
units
on
8,500
square
feet
of
land
and
then
per
our
current
RMF
zoning
standards.
You
would
be
able
to
have
two
units
on
that
same
parcel.
N
All
right
so
now
diving
into
the
changes
that
we're
proposing
to
the
RMF
30
district,
starting
with
reduced
lot
areas.
So
in
the
city's
RMF
zones,
the
zoning
ordinance
were
cut
requires
that
a
lot
be
a
certain
size
to
accommodate
a
certain
number
of
dwelling
units.
As
seen
on
this
table
per
today's
code,
you
need
5000
square
feet
of
land
for
a
single-family
home
8,000
square
feet
for
a
duplex
3,000
square
feet
for
each
unit
within
a
multi-family
building.
N
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
this
distribution
graph
of
our
land
areas,
almost
half
of
the
existing
Lots
in
this
district
range
between
3000
to
6000
square
feet,
meaning
that
those
Lots
couldn't
accommodate
anything
more
than
a
single-family
home
or
one
unit.
Therefore,
we
are
proposing
to
reduce
the
lot
area
required
per
dwelling
unit
in
the
RMF
30
for
all
land
uses
and
slightly
more
for
row,
houses,
cottage
developments
or
tiny
homes
in
order
to
encourage
this
more
compatible,
missing
middle
type,
housing
form
again,
with
smaller
lot
size
requirements.
N
We
also
hope
that
this
will
drive
the
construction
of
smaller,
more
affordable
units
along
those
same
lines.
We
are
also
proposing
to
remove
required
lot
width
in
the
RMF
30
district.
Currently,
lots
are
required
to
be
at
least
eighty
to
a
hundred
feet
wide
in
the
city's
RMF
zoning
districts
to
accommodate
new,
a
new
multi-family
use,
as
the
majority
of
Lots
owned
are
MF.
Thirty
are
between
31
and
50
feet
wide.
This
requirement
of
having
an
80
to
100
foot
wide
lot
is
extremely
limiting
and
then
I
have
this
example
here
that
shows
this.
N
Sixty
three
foot
wide
ten
thousand
three
hundred
square
foot
lot
could
not
accommodate
anything
more
than
a
single-family
home
due
to
its
lot
with,
even
though
the
area
could
accommodate
technically
three
units.
Many
other
standards
are
in
place
that
encourage
adequate
la
twists
like
separate
light
and
spacing
between
buildings
such
as
side
yard,
setbacks
required
driveway,
widths
and
building
code
standards
that
require
spacing
between
buildings.
Therefore,
per
these
proposed
updates.
The
minimum
lot
width
requirement
would
be
removed.
N
Next,
we
are
introducing
design
requirements
for
all
new
construction
in
this
district.
The
standards
being
applied
are
actually
the
same
design
standards
that
are
used
in
the
city's
form-based
districts,
which
require
front
entry,
features,
front,
facade,
glass,
higher
quality
building
materials
on
front
facades
and
also
limit
the
links
of
blank
walls.
N
Next,
as
we've
been
discussing
a
little
bit,
the
city
would
like
to
encourage
this
construction
of
certain
building
forms
that
can
again
accommodate
a
higher
number
of
units
while
remaining
compatible
with
single-family
development.
Therefore,
the
proposal
includes
allows
allowing
these
three
building
forms
out
outright.
That
typically
aren't
required
without
some
kind
of
special
approval
like
a
planned
development
or
something
of
that
nature,
so,
with
the
exception
of
tiny
homes
being
that
they're
allowed
outright,
but
they're
allowed
on
a
five
square-foot
lot,
just
a
little
bit
about
each
of
these
building
forums.
N
Cottage
developments
consist
of
two
or
more
small-scale
single-family
homes.
Aka
cottages
uniformly
arranged
around
an
open
space
on
a
single
lot,
so
we'd
like
to
allow
that
without
planned
development
approval,
and
then
we're
calling
this.
The
third
figure
there
a
side
oriented
row
house
which
shares
the
same
configuration
as
a
row
house
where
the
units
are
attached
side-by-side,
but
each
units
entryway
is
oriented
to
the
side
or
interior
of
the
lot,
as
opposed
to
all
facing
the
street.
Again.
N
This
is
typically
something
that's
only
allowed
per
plan
development
and
then
tiny
homes
which
much
of
the
community
expressed
interest
in
allowing
these
would
be
limited
to
400
square
feet
in
area
and
excluding
the
lofted
space.
And
so
we
would
like
to
allow
these
on
1500
square
foot
Lots.
So
those
are
the
three
new
building
forms
that
we
would
be
introducing.
N
And
then,
additionally,
with
the
side
oriented
row
houses,
we
would
have
more
specific
design
standards
applied
to
those
types
of
forms,
because
we
want
them
to
be
very
or
oriented
to
the
street
with
a
front
entryway,
an
adequate
amount
of
glass
and
things
of
that
nature
because,
as
as
their
front
entrances
are
to
the
side,
they
tend,
there
tends
to
be
neglect
on
the
front
facade.
So
we
are
adding
these
design
standards
to
try
and
enhance
the
front
facade
of
these
type.
These
forums.
N
The
next
update,
is
to
allow
more
than
one
principal
structure
on
a
lot
which
is
currently
not
permitted
partially
to
discourage
buildings
that
are
hard
to
access
and
have
little
visibility
for
safety
purposes.
However,
we
have
long
narrow,
Lots
in
the
state
in
our
city
that
have
space
for
development
in
the
rear
yards
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
I
just
found
this
example
on
an
aerial
in
the
RMF
30
district,
and
there
is
I
think
it
might
be
a
four-plex
in
the
front.
N
I
could
be
wrong
about
that,
but
it's
either
a
four-plex
or
a
duplex
in
the
front
and
then
another
structure
in
the
back
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
has
adequate
access
and
visibility.
So
and
they're
used
utilizing
that
long
near
a
lot.
So
we
would
like
to
allow
more
than
one
structure
and
a
lot
without
plan
development
approval
and
then
along
those
same
lines.
N
We
would
also
like
to
allow
the
creation
of
new
Lots
without
public
street
frontage,
which
also
currently
isn't
allowed,
and
so
you
would
be
able
to
do
that
per
an
administrative
review
process
just
so,
we
can
make
sure
that
there's
adequate
access
and
visibility
as
I've
been
saying
so.
Finally,
with
all
of
these
changes,
staff
does
realize
that
some
development
pressure
may
be
put
on
structures
inside
and
outside
of
local
historic
districts.
N
Therefore,
we
are
proposing
to
allow
a
unit
bonus
when
a
building
permit
is
pulled
for
an
additional
housing
unit
on
a
lot
and
the
existing
structure
on
the
lot
is
retained.
The
idea
is
that
if
a
lot
can
now
accommodate
one
more
unit
with
the
updates
to
required
lot
area,
perhaps
they'd
be
more
likely
to
add
that
unit
within
or
attach
to
the
existing
home
if
they
could
then
get
an
additional
unit,
instead
of
completely
demolishing,
what's
there
and
starting
from
scratch
and
not
being
able
to
build
as
many
units.
N
The
second
thing
that
we'd
like
to
propose
is
in
order
to
discourage
the
collection
or
banking
of
multiple
parcels
of
land
to
accommodate
large
developments.
A
lot
with
maximum
has
been
proposed
of
a
hundred
and
ten
feet.
Oh
sorry,
I
didn't
switch
the
slide.
A
lot
work
with
maximum
has
been
proposed
of
one
hundred
and
ten
feet
and
so
based
on
average
la
twist
in
the
arm
30
districts.
N
This
would
typically
prevent
the
consolidation
of
two
to
three
parcels
max
so
that
someone
couldn't
come
in
and
assemble
all
these
parcels
wipe
out
what's
there
and
do
a
larger
development
with
higher
density.
So
with
that,
I
went
through
everything
really
quickly,
but
there
are
some
guiding
questions
in
the
staff
report.
N
It's
the
gonna,
be
the
same
standard
and,
with
these
with
this
proposal
were
not
amending
parking
requirements,
but
that's
something
that
the
public
has
brought
up
as
were
taking
these
to
community
councils
and
such.
But
our
parking
chapter
is
being
updated
at
the
moment
and
we're
going
to
try
and
coordinate
with
them
a
little
bit
better,
but
I
believe
it
would
just
cottage.
Developments
would
be
held
to
the
single-family
parking
standard,
which
is,
is
it
to
two
spaces
per
unit?
So
that's
something
that
we
could
look
at.
A
N
A
B
Know
Kenton
and
the
little
projects
I've
sketched
out
parking
seems
to
drive
the
entire
project,
no
matter
what
and
III
think
it's
going
to
be
very
interesting
to
see
how
our
need
for
parking
shifts
is
the
way
we
change
the
way
we
use
motor
vehicles
and
I
think
we're
on
the
cusp
of
some
pretty
radical
change.
G
A
With
that,
an
architect
I've
talked
to
back
in
the
Midwest
has
proposed
having
communal
parking
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
Where
there's
you
don't
expect
to
park
on
your
adjacent
to
your
own
building
on
the
street
or
in
your
own
driveway,
you
come
into
a
central
parking
and
then
your
access
radiates
soft,
a.
A
N
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
An
accessory
dwelling
units
are
more
specific
as
they
have
to
be
owner-occupied
and
they
are
accessory
to
single-family
buildings.
So
here
we
would
be
allowing
more
than
one
unit
on
a
lot
and
you
could
do
different
types
of
building
configurations
like
perhaps
you
could
do
two
small
cottages
in
the
back
of
a
lot
if,
if
the
lot
size
allowed
for
that,
they
wouldn't
have
to
be
owner-occupied,
they
wouldn't
have
to
be
paired
with
single-family
development.
So
that's
where
that
kind
of
differs
and
then
adsr
also
conditional
use
in
single-family
districts.
N
G
A
I
N
We're
hoping
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
with
the
finalized
proposal
and
text
amendments,
hopefully
in
June,
probably
the
second
meeting
in
June
and
then
from
there.
They
make
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
and
the
City
Council
will
approve
or
deny
and
typically
takes
around
three
months.
I
want
to
say
to
get
to
City
Council,
depending
on
their
agenda.
I
N
I
N
I
Always
say
they
need
to
push
the
envelope
we
have.
You
know
that
it's
typical
on
those
new
construction
projects
that
they're
special
exceptions
requested,
and
sometimes
there
are
constraints
and
things
but
I
also
see
typically
nine-foot
ceilings
and
a
lot
of
other
features
that
are
yes,
very
lovely
to
have
in
a
Nuke
in
new
construction,
but
I
see
those
being
wedged
into
a
building
envelope.
That,
then,
is
larger
than
what
any
of
us.
What
what
the
requirements
allow
and
things
like
that
so
I
think.
N
I
N
I
Again,
we
have
the
special
exceptions
of
side,
yard
constraints
and
the
request
to
give
a
special
exception
for
those
side
yards
and
in
reality
they
are.
You
know,
changing
the
character,
a
lot
of
a
what
may
or
may
not
be
a
single-family
residence
neighborhood,
but
kind
of
effectively
by
introducing
a
large-volume
extending
through
the
entire
lot
mm-hmm.
G
G
I
N
It's
and
in
a
sense
we
kind
of
want
to
beef
up
those
standards,
because,
if
we're
going
to
allow
this
out
right,
maybe
there's
an
expectation
that
they
meet
us
in
the
middle
with
their
in
the
house,
impacting
in
terms
of
in
visually
and
just
the
use
itself.
So,
but
we
can
look
into
that
a
little
bit
more.
The.
I
Other
thought,
the
other
and
I
think
of
another
project
that
we
had
on
in
the
camera,
which
maybe
it's
on
fine
Street
or
something,
but
the
the
adjacent
historic
property
owner
expressing
concern
about
a
new
development
and
the
driveway
that
came
within
feet,
inches
of
their
historic
home,
Wow,
the
excavation
and
to
access
these
deeper
constructions
into
the
block,
brings
vehicles
and
and
that
sort
of
impact,
alongside
all
along
a
property
line.
That's
another
critical
thing
to
noodle
through
as
well.
Okay
did
it
interesting.
N
I
E
I'm
really
really
impressed
by
this
package.
I
really
tried
to
poke
holes
in
it
and
I,
don't
think
I
can
so
it
feels
like
you
guys
have
done
your
homework,
a
depth
that
is
really
impressive.
I
have
a
few
questions
or
thoughts,
and
one
thing
is
that
you
just
mentioned:
is
the
ten
and
ten
mm-hmm
one
in
one
place
in
the
report?
It
says
ten
and
ten
in
another.
It
says
ten
and
four
and
I:
do
you
sorry.
N
About
that,
no
no
it
it's!
Ten
and
ten
we've
been
getting
some
pushback
on
that
because,
again
on
our
narrow
lots,
the
ten
feet
might
be
hard
to
accommodate,
obviously
with
site
oriented
row
houses.
One
side
is
going
to
accommodate
the
driveway,
which
is
typically
20
feet
or
greater,
and
then
that
other
side
then
would
be
pushed
to
the
ten
feet.
So
we
might
reconsider
the
ten
feet
on
the
other
side.
I,
don't
think
it'll
go
down
to
four,
because
I
think
per
building
code.
You
need
at
least
five
feet
for
certain
reasons.
E
Here's
my
thought,
I
think
going
less
than
ten
would
be
smart
because
it's
gonna
be
really
tough.
It's
because,
because
of
the
point
just
made,
and
in
my
experience
it's
not
twenty,
it's
really
25
that
you
need
with
a
sidewalk
a
tiny
bit
of
landscaping
curb.
So,
if
you're,
requiring
twenty
five
and
ten
that's
gonna,
be
that's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
Lots
attention,
so
I
feel
like
you're
headed
in
the
right
direction
and
the
other
thing
is.
N
E
I
wanted
to
ask
a
little
bit
about
how
this
was
gonna
work
in
practice,
so
say:
I
own
well,
six
thousand
or
a
four
thousand
square
foot
lot.
Theoretically,
if
I
meet
the
other
requirements,
I
could
divide
that
into
a
2500
square
foot
lot
in
the
front
with
a
single-family
house,
a
1,500
square
foot
lot
in
the
back
with
a
tiny
house,
yeah.
N
E
N
N
Well,
it's
a
tiny
house,
no
I'm
just
kidding,
but
if
you
want
to
draw
property
lines
around
it,
we're
gonna
do
a
special
exception
to
create
a
lot
without
Lots
without
street
frontage,
and
that
way
we
would
be
able
to
kind
of
review
if
it
has
adequate
access
II.
You
know
if
you
have
put
get
your
easement
in
place
and
then
an
easement
frame,
maybe
even
utilities,
things
of
that
nature,
but
it
should
be
way
easier
than
going
through
a
plan.
Development.
N
E
N
All
staying
the
same,
it's
just
that
we're
introducing
these
forms,
but
it's
all
housing
which
is
already
all
permitted
within
the
permitted
use
table,
but
we're
gonna
introduce
these
form
tables
within
the
RMF
chapter,
but
we're
not
gonna
allow
like
any
other
mixed
use
or
commercial
type.
Development,
I.
E
Think
the
only
other
thing
I
was
gonna
say
is
that
I
really
grew
of
Kenton.
That
I
understand
the
motivation
behind
the
quality
materials
environment,
but
stuccoed
done
well
can
be
a
really
good
exterior
cladding
and
unless
you're
departing
from
the
other,
the
quality
materials
description
and
some
of
the
other
zones,
Hardy
does
not
qualify
and
I.
Think
Hardy
is
a
phenomenal
cladding.
E
Hardiplank
Hardy
lap,
just
Semin
Tisha
siding,
is
dynamite,
so
to
the
extent
that
you
can
give
it's
really
hard
to
legislate,
good
taste,
but
I
I
think
we're
better
off
permitting
the
kind
of
flexibility
that
Ken
mentioned.
I
just
want
to
say
well
done
either.
This
is
really
great
and
I
can't
wait
to
see
it.
Thanks
yeah.
N
It'll
work,
basically
because
we
realize
that
by
reducing
the
lot
area,
requirements
now
say,
there's
a
lot
with
a
single-family
home
that
might
be
able
to
now
accommodate
one
or
two
more
units,
and
so,
instead
of
them
just
wiping
out.
What's
there
we
are
proposing
this
lot
bonus
and
so
that
single-family
home
could
come
in
and
they
would
have
to.
They
would
have
to
qualify
for
at
least
one
more
unit
already
like
per
the
LA
area
standards
and
they
could
come
in
and
get
their
building
permit.
N
B
Just
a
single
unit
bonus
and
suppose
you
have
a
building
or
a
lot
that
has
a
true
duplex
on
it
to
begin
with
a
purpose-built,
duplex
and
you
could
add
a
couple
more
units
to
it.
Could
they
come
in
and
say
well
I've
got.
This
is
really
two
buildings
separated
with
a
firewall?
Could
I
get
two
unit
bonuses?
It's.
N
No,
it's
so
actually
you
can
get
you're
gonna
get
one
unit
if
you
preserve
a
single
or
two
family
structure,
and
then
we're
actually
saying
you're
gonna
get
two
units.
If
you
preserve
a
multi-family
structure,
which
is
three
or
greater,
but
what
we
found
with
the
distribution
of
land
uses
the
majority
of
how
well
over
half
of
yeah
I
would
say
the
majority
of
land
and.
N
Single-Family,
so
this
unit
bonus
is
targeted
to
kind
of
protect
those
single-family
and
then,
when
you
look
at
multifamily
buildings
that
are
existing,
those
are
typically
built
way
over
what
could
ever
be
allowed.
So
we
don't
anticipate
people
coming
in
and
trying
to
dump
demolish
that
because
they
have
way
more
than
they
could
ever
have
with
a
unit
bone
or
what
the
new
area
standards,
but.
N
N
E
B
B
B
F
Excuse
me,
as
Lauren
mentioned,
we're
in
the
process
of
completely
rewriting
our
parking
chapter,
so
I'll
definitely
take
those
those
comments
back
to
the
planners
that
are
working
on
that
and
it's
actually,
if
we
understand
that
now
too
it's
obviously
it's
always
a
game
in
in
trying
to
try
to
accommodate
more
development
while
protecting
some
of
the
that
neighborhood
character
that
sometimes
people
are
accustomed
to,
and
you
know
so.
Sometimes
it's
it's
it's
baby
steps.
We
write
your
zoning.
A
F
J
J
Part
of
what
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
today
is
just
part:
it's
partially
just
to
introduce
myself
and
let
you
know
what
some
of
my
expertise
is,
but
also
really
to
think
about
the.
As
with
the
increasing
pressures
of
development
that
we're
facing
in
Salt,
Lake
City,
the
thinking
about
landscape
architecture
and
landscape,
architectural
solutions
to
problems
I
think
is
becoming
more
and
more
imperative.
J
J
So,
while
these
meanings
are
still
strong
in
Scandinavian
and
German
languages,
they've
all
but
disappeared
from
English.
So
when
I
talk
about
landscape
or
landscape
architecture,
really
I'm
talking
about
the
association
between
people
and
place,
the
way
that
we
design
and
shape
the
places
we
live
and
in
turn
they
often
shape
us.
J
So
landscape
creates
frameworks
for
cities
and
it
does
this
at
multiple
scales.
So
the
first
is
the
geomorphological,
the
sort
of
largest
scale.
So
this
is
the
Atlantic
coast,
the
eastern
seaboard-
and
you
can
see
this
pretty
multicolored
geologic
map
fading
into
the
Atlantic
coastal
plain
so
and
and
that
red
line
trace.
Is
that
that's
the
fall
zone
so
when
we
say
the
fall
zone
or
the
fall
line,
I'm
literally
talking
about
waterfalls
right.
J
So
this
also
works
at
the
scale
of
the
nation-state
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
brief
video
here
by
a
professor
of
urbanism
at
the
University
of
Delft
in
the
Netherlands
and
it's
from
a
MOOC
which
is
its
MOOC.
It's
a
massively
open
online
course,
and
so
this
is
a
I
just
think.
A
really
good
introduction
to
thinking
about
how
landscape
shapes
our
cities
and
our
our
places
at
all
scales.
J
O
In
the
UK
and
Germany,
this
MOOC
is
about
our
tradition
of
planning
and
designing
for
the
public
good,
and
this
tradition
stems
from
one
basic
historic
fact,
and
that
is
that
much
of
our
country
lies
below
sea
level.
As
you
can
see
here
in
this
historic
atlas,
much
of
what
is
green
here
is
actually
up
to
four
or
five
metres
below
sea
level.
Now
this
means
that
we
have
to
shape
design
mould
our
country
in
order
for
us
to
live
here,
we
have
to
safeguard
this
public
good
safety
from
flooding.
O
Now
the
Netherlands
may
not
float,
but
it's
easy
for
you
to
understand
that
for
us,
it's
very
important
that
we
do
not
drown
now.
This
basic
historic
fact
has
led
to
a
great
collection
of
design,
planning
and
engineering
feats.
The
Dutch
have
constructed
hundreds
of
polar's
which
lie
below
sea
level.
It
is
this
land
reclaimed
and
we
build
them
so
that
we
can
live
and
work
here
safely
and
the
same
goes
for
our
cities.
As
you
can
see
in
this
example,
our
capital
city
Amsterdam.
O
Now,
partly
because
of
this
tradition,
the
Netherlands
was
also
one
of
the
pioneering
countries
for
our
profession,
urbanism
and
just
one
example
of
that
is
this.
The
general
extension
plan
of
Amsterdam,
drawn
up
by
Cornelis
van
Astron
in
1934,
and
you
see
here
in
red,
modern
planning
and
design
principles
that
were
experimented
with
on
this
large
scale
for
the
first
time.
O
If
you
look
at
the
form
and
the
structure
of
the
city
of
Amsterdam
as
it
is
today,
you
can
still
recognize
these
shapes
Cornelis
when
a
star,
by
the
way,
who
was
the
first
professor
of
urbanism
here
at
our
faculty
now.
This
MOOC
is
not
about
water
management
or
about
the
famous
Dutch
architects
and
Urbanists.
It's
about
planning
and
design
for
the
public
good,
and
we
can
do
that
for
any
public
good.
It's
a
way
of
thinking
and
we're
going
to
practice
with
three
basic
principles
which
we
think
are
central
to
our
profession.
O
The
second
important
principle
is
that
we
think
and
work
on
multiple
scale
levels
from
the
region
to
the
design
and
detailing
of
public
space
and
when
a
design
is
good.
These
K
levels,
corresponding,
as
you
can
see
here
in
this
final
project
and
the
third
and
maybe
most
important
principle,
is
that
we
never
see
a
design
outside
of
its
physical
context.
O
J
You,
oh
I,
just
want
to
reiterate
his
point
and
I'll
go
into
this
more
a
little
in
a
little
bit,
but
that
idea
of
never
looking
at
something
outside
of
its
context,
right,
always
considering
the
context
so
again
going
back
to
the
way
that
landscapes
structure,
places
or
cities.
So
this
same
impact
is,
you
know
here
in
a
more
familiar
landscape
in
the
Salt
Lake
Valley.
So
we
are
surrounded
by
very
high
mountains
and
a
huge
Inland
Sea
and
there's
very
clear.
J
You
know
inlets
and
outlets
to
this
place,
or
maybe
not
so
clear,
right
there.
So
the
reason
that
this
area
was
settled
is
you
know,
as
we
remember
the
historical
context,
that
when
this
place
was
settled
as
the
city
that
we
has
become
what
we
know
today,
the
Mormon
pioneers
were
fleeing
persecution
and
therefore,
security
and
being
able
to
understand
who
was
coming
or
going
for
that
matter
was
paramount
of
paramount
importance
and
I.
J
Think
the
Utah
War
actually
underlines
that
fact,
where
you
know
when
the
federal
troops
came
to
Salt
Lake
City,
everyone
was
gone
right
because
they
knew
well
in
advance
that
they
were
coming
and
again
because
we
have
the
waters
of
City
Creek,
which
were
you
know,
used
to
kind
of
found.
The
city
we
have
the
through
the
canyons,
the
water
brought
all
these
agricultural
soils,
the
floodplain
soils
we,
which
were
you
know
in
most
places
relatively
good
for
farming.
J
J
Landscapes
also
work
at
smaller
scales
within
cities
to
create
or
frame
spaces.
So
this
is
Boston.
The
Emerald
Necklace
is
a
well-known
park
system
designed
by
Frederick
Law
Olmsted,
as
well
as
his
sons,
Olmsted,
Brothers
and
and
Charles
Eliot,
and
if
you've
been
to
Boston,
you
know
it's
not
easy
to
navigate
because
of
its
let's
say,
irregular
grid
and
so
having
this
park
system
to
organize.
J
It
begins
to
give
some
structure
I'd,
also
just
like
to
quickly
point
out
that
the
Back
Bay
fens
there
by
the
Charles
River
is
actually
just
shows
you
that,
even
in
the
early
days,
landscape,
architects
were
involved
in
what
we
now
think
of,
as
typically
civil
engineering
projects,
so
the
Back
Bay
fens,
the
Charles
River
used
to
be
a
tidal
estuary,
and
so
the
and
the
Back
Bay
fens.
As
most
a
lot
of
waterways
were
in
cities
at
that
time
became
sort
of
just
a
dump.
It
was
a
sewer.
People
threw
trash
there.
J
You
know
sewers
went
out
there
and
it
just
became
really
problematic.
As
that
area
developed,
and
so
they
asked
frederick
law
olmsted
to
work
on
it
and
he
basically
created
this.
He
brought
it
back
to
a
wetlands
kind
of
made
it
a
wetland
place,
but
it
had
the
function
of
cleaning
that
storm
water
and
that
sewage
and
before
and
then
and
flushing
it
out
to
the
Charles
River,
which
then
let
it
out
to
the
sea
now
they've
re-engineered,
the
Charles
River,
so
that
it
no
longer
functions
in
that
way.
J
So
what
does
Landscape
Architecture,
so
this
I
just
got
to
get
this
right
off
the
bat
landscaping
does
not
equal
landscape
architecture,
so
they're
they're,
different
things
right,
I'm,
not
making
any
hierarchy
they're
just
different,
so
again,
landscaping
and
on
the
right
here:
landscape
architecture,
that's
a
really
incredible
historic
estate,
gnome
keg
in
Western
Massachusetts,
and
it's
now
owned
by
the
trustees
of
reservation
and
I.
If
you
ever
get
a
chance
to
visit
it,
it's
really
extraordinary.
J
J
At
the
same
time,
nothing
is
a
blank
slate.
You
can
see
sort
of
below
that.
What's
the
lower
leg
to
us,
there's
a
church
above
it
so
that
whole
area
was
a
neighborhood
that
was
raised
to
build
that
project,
which
it's
baby
actually
has
taken
them
more
than
50
years
to
complete
and
that's
another
story,
but
again
they
they
began
in
the
50s
I
think
the
arch
itself
was
completed
by
65,
and
so
again
this
is
about
connecting
the
city
to
the
river
and
reflecting
the
kind
of
scale
of
both
the
idea
and
the
place.
J
So
landscapes
architecture
is
intentional
right.
All
this
land
form
is
built
again.
Like
I
said
they
raised
neighborhoods.
This
is
sculpted
land
form
Eero
Saarinen.
It
was
actually
a
sculpture
sculptor
briefly
before
he
became
an
architect,
and
so
he
was
very
deliberate
in
how
he
wanted
these
planes
to
work.
At
the
same
time,
I
just
I
I'm
compelled
to
tell
you
that
Dan
Kiley's,
the
landscape
architect,
did
not
intend
for
that
to
be
manicured
lawn,
so
just
putting
it
out
there,
oh
and
then
again
the
reflection
of
the
arch
in
the
water
right.
J
Procession
is
a
very
important
part
of
thinking
and
I
think
this
is
important
to
cultural
and
historic
landscapes
as
well.
How
do
we
move
through
them?
So
the
grand
staircase
here
they
is
connects
the
river
to
the
arch
again,
the
the
size
of
it
is
responding
to
the
context
of
the
scale
of
that
city
and
the
idea
so
often
planners,
with
the
best
of
intentions
of
in
terms
of
what
we're
setting
out
create
spaces
that
are
undefined
and
unintended
and
so
I,
as
my
colleagues
know,
typically
not
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
describe
this.
P
J
J
Is
they
brought
in
designers
to
reimagine
places
along
this
corridor
and
begin
to
think
about
how
we
could
shape
them
as
spaces,
so
Walter
hood
design
firm,
you
know
created
this
essentially
pop-up
park
and
an
eating
space
for
the
neighborhood,
but
really
just
to
begin
to
get
people
to
think
about
it
differently,
and
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
emphasize
here
is
that
edges,
create
spaces
and
and
having
edges
in
in
cities
is
really
important
and
edges
can
be
planted
material.
They
can
be.
As
you
see
here,
I
mean
they
cut
open
containers.
J
J
At
the
same
time,
you
know
urban
landscapes
can
create
a
place
of
rest
in
a
busy
city,
so
this
is
in
Boston
the
Prudential
Center
Plaza
and
Mick
Yong
Kim
design
created
these
fiber-optic
pulls
with
birds.
On
top,
you
know
middle
bird
sculptures
that
flutter
in
the
wind
and
at
the
same
time
you
know
this
has
different
types
of
seating
so
that
you
can
accommodate
different
uses
and
different
users
during
the
day,
and
you
know
just
get
a
place
to
rest
and
catch
your
breath
in
your
in
your
busy
day
and
also
again.
J
Landscape
Architecture
involves
research
and
kind
of
deliberation
and
really
understanding
what
the
effect
of
these
design
gestures
will
be,
and
so
it's
it's
not
happenstance.
You
know
Central
Park,
didn't
someone
didn't
just
come
and
put
a
fence
around
it.
Right
I
mean
that
was
a
huge
undertaking
to
build
that
landscape
can
also
stitch
together
places
that
may
have
a
different
character.
J
So
this
is
tenor
fountain,
which
is
in
the
Harvard
campus
and
Peter
Walker
partners-
and
you
can
see
here
that
there's
these
buildings
have
different
architectural
styles,
but
by
sort
of
bringing
your
attention
to
that
fountain
as
a
focal
point,
that's
sort
of
unexpected
and
delightful.
It
also
allows
you
to
reframe
your
attention
on
those
buildings
and
and
look
at
appreciate
each
one
separately,
as
opposed
to
being
jarred
by
the
contrast,
landscape,
architect's
design
with
seasonal
change
right.
J
J
So
landscapes
tell
stories,
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
aspects
of
the
work
that
I've
done
prior
to
joining
Salt
Lake
City
is
cultural
landscapes.
So
I've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
historic
landscapes,
ranging
from
you
know,
battlefields
to
parks
to
in
a
war
of
1812
forts
to
the
arch,
as
I
showed
you
there,
as
well
as
historic
landscapes
in
the
West
and
really
landscapes
tell
stories.
But
it's
a
question
of
being
able
to
know
how
to
read
those
stories
to
understand
what
it
is
they're
showing
us
so
again.
J
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
landscape
is
not
a
natural
space
right.
It's
not
simply
that
so
that
every
landscape
is
the
place
where
we
establish
our
own
organization
of
space
and
time
and
JB
Jackson
is,
is
a
really
terrific
writer
on
landscapes.
So
here's
an
example.
This
is
in
Phoenix
Arizona
tonight,
Landscape
Architects
designed
steel,
Indian
School
Park,
which
some
of
you
may
are
probably
familiar
with
the
history
of
Indian
boarding
schools.
J
You
know
very
traumatic
history,
where
children
were
taken
from
their
parents
forced
to
go
to
boarding
schools
where
they
were
not
allowed
to
speak
their
indigenous
languages.
You
know
forced
to
cut
their
hair,
and
you
know,
dress
in
in
you
know,
a
western-style
clothing
and
you
know
clearly
places
of
trauma,
and
so
this
by
creep
making
this
place
into
a
park
that
has
really
areas
for
reflection
as
well
as
just
some.
You
know
big
playing
fields,
places
for
gathering.
J
So
then
this
final
one
I
want
to
talk
about
again.
Is
this
project
is
actually
in
South
Africa
in
Cape
Town,
and
just
how
these
interventions
in
the
landscape,
just
by
suggesting
enclosure
and
framing
spaces,
we
can
really
begin
to
transform.
You
know
open
space
into
a
place,
or
we
can
also
reinterpret
that
place.
So
this
is
in
Cape
Town,
it's
one
of
the.
So
this
is
the
company
gardens.
J
You
know,
architecture,
landscape,
all
of
it
teamed
with
a
firm,
called
local
studio,
which
is
based
in
Johannesburg
to
design
this
arch
dedicated
to
Archbishop,
Desmond
Tutu,
and
so
he
would
lead
anti-apartheid
marches
from
this
place
and
wooden
members
represent
the
different
articles
of
the
South
African
Constitution,
but
again
sort
of
reframing
this
place.
That
was
a
history
of
sort
of
colonialism,
and
this
kind
of
you
know
deeply
segregated
history
that
South
Africa
had
to
then
say
you
know
we
can
now
look
at
this
place
differently.
J
So
that
is
my
final
slide
and
I
appreciate
your
attention.
I
am
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
have
and
again
my
I.
You
know
I
hope
that
you'll
see
me
as
a
resource
and
if
you
have
questions
or
as
things
come
up
on
projects
I
would
you
know
certainly
be
happy
to
you
know.
Please
always
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
and
you'll
be
seeing
a
little
bit
more
from
me,
too.
I'm
gonna
be
working
a
bit
on
the
historic
landscape
design
guidelines
as
we
move
those
forward
and
yeah.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
Q
Sorry
about
that
I've
seen
Laura's
presentation
twice
now
and
find
it
very
interesting
and,
having
said
that,
she's
a
tough
act
to
follow,
because
this
is
a
little
bit
more
dry.
Q
That's
the
Masonic
Temple
property
you're,
familiar
with
that
beautiful
building,
you're,
also,
probably
familiar
with
the
not
so
beautiful
surface
parking
lot
behind
it
and
they're,
proposing
to
amend
the
central
community
master
plan,
future
land
use
map
from
institutional
to
residential
office
mixed-use
and
to
amend
the
Salt
Lake
City
zoning
map
from
institutional
to
residential
office
and
what
we
are
seeking
from
you
this
evening
is
a
opportunity
to
discuss
this
proposal,
we're
looking
for
feedback
from
you,
and
once
we
have
that
feedback.
This
proposal
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Q
Q
This
this
wow-
this
is
really
hard
to
use
this
little
area
here.
That
is
in
gray.
That
is
the
well
except
for
this
portion
right
here.
This
is
the
Masonic
Temple
property.
Here
you
have
the
temple
and
behind
it
is
this
parking
lot
that
I
was
referring
to.
It.
Has
a
couple
dog
legs
for
access
out
to
South
temple
and
also
al-26
taste,
that
property
is,
as
I
mentioned,
zoned
institutional,
the
surrounding
property
here
to
the
west,
is
all
zoned
ro.
Q
Ro
is,
is,
is
literally
all
to
the
north
to
the
west.
There's
some
to
the
east
here,
and
you
know
a
bit
to
the
south
of
that
parking
lot.
It
also,
but
the
art
of
some
RMF
35
here,
but
well.
It
actually
doesn't
about
this,
but
because
this
property
is
not
owned
by
the
Masonic
Temple,
but
there's
RMF
45
on
the
same
block.
Q
Q
I
want
to
talk
briefly
at
just
about
a
couple.
Other
items
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
use
and
I
outlined
all
the
all
the
uses
that
are
allowed
in
the
RO
zone
in
your
memorandum
tonight.
The
uses
that
are
allowed
by
right
also
uses
that
are
allowed
through
the
conditional
use
process.
I
just
want
to
note
that
many
of
those
uses
that
are
listed
for
the
artha
are
ozone
are
also
allowed
in
the
institutional
zone.
Q
The
major
difference
between
these
two
zones,
in
terms
of
use,
in
my
mind,
is
the
fact
that
in
the
institutional
zone,
the
only
type
of
dwelling
other
residential
use
that
is
allowed
in
that
zone
is
for
assisted
living,
so
there's
and
there
are
no
other
dwellings
that
are
allowed
in
that
institutional
zone.
Multifamily
single-family
attached,
detached
boarding,
houses,
twin
homes
to
families,
and
none
of
that
is
allowed.
Q
The
other
use
that
is
not
allowed
under
the
institutional
zone.
That
is
is
important
here
to
note
is
the
mid
there's
no
mixed-use
development
allowed
and
so
I
think
that,
having
the
opportunity
for
residential
and
the
the
commercial
aspect,
there
could
potentially
result
in
a
really
nice
development
of
what
is
currently
that
surface
parking
lot
could
be
a
nice
attribute
to
that.
Neighborhood
I
want
to
just
also
briefly
touch
on
some
kind
of
differences
in
design
standards,
particularly
in
the.
Q
Particularly
building
height,
the
institutional
zone
allows
for
a
building
height
of
35
feet.
The
RO
allows
for
a
building
height
of
60
feet,
and
so
you
can
see
that
60
feet
is
already
allowed.
You
know
here
on
this
block
face
along
600
East,
which,
in
my
mind,
is
a
very
sensitive
block
face
or
some
there's
some
kind
of
residential
scale
structures
towards
this
end
of
the
block.
Q
So-
and
you
know
this
about
South
temple,
so
there
there
needs
to
be
some
sensitivity,
any
sort
of
development
that
would
happen
there
and
it's
it's
funny
that
the
institutional
zone
only
allows
for
35
feet
and
and
building
height
you
know,
quite
frankly,
could
probably
be
better
located
in
within
that
block
in
the
interior.
That
block.
So
that's
one
major
difference.
Q
The
other
major
difference
in
terms
of
design
standard
are
setbacks
and
the
setbacks
in
the
institutional
zone
in
the
residential
zone
are
very
similar
there
within
a
matter
of
maybe
five
feet
of
each
other,
so
front
yard
setback
size
and
to
your
sides
rear,
but
they're
they're
very
similar.
So
you
know
that's
kind
of
the
parameters
of
what
could
potentially
be
built.
There
and
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that.
Very
briefly.
Q
It
is
important
to
note
that,
while
we
are
only
looking
at
the
appropriateness
of
the
master
plan
amendment
and
the
in
the
zoning
map
amendment
at
this
point-
and
we
don't
have
a
specific
project
that
we're
reviewing
any
sort
of
future
development,
new
construction
would
come
before
you
for
your
historic
and
design
review.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
and
again
we're
we
planning
staff,
the
Planning
Commission
soon
and
the
applicant
here
are-
are
seeking
any
input
you
have
on
what
is
before
us
tonight
and
I'm
happy
to
ask
there
any
questions.
P
Dustin
Holt
211
East
Broadway
mr.
chair
and
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
your
time
tonight.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
before
you
again:
I'd
love
to
go
back
and
geek
out
over
Amsterdam
and
a
city
that
I
love
in
a
country
that
I
love
and
that
I've
lived
in
and
think
we
can
learn
a
lot
from
there
certainly
elements
of
what
she
said.
That
we
know
should
be
part
of
this
project
long
term
and
we're
excited
to
get
into
that.
So.
A
A
P
P
Some
of
our
major
endowments
are
have
shorter
horizons
than
others,
and
so
the
Association
is
looking
at
the
way
to
maintain
what
really
truly
is
an
iconic
structure
on
South
temple
and
so
one
of
the
ways
that
they
they
see
an
ability
to
do
that
is
by
ultimately
allowing
this
Western
property
to
be
developed.
As
we
looked
at
the
current
zoning
map,
the
current
master
plan,
I
think
is
Lex
nicely
pointed
out
most
of
600
East
already
is
this
ro
zone.
P
We
too
believe
that
any
development
particularly
is
right.
There
is
probably
better
suited
at
a
pedestrian
scale,
something
two
or
three
stories,
long-term,
with
potentially
more
of
that
height
in
the
middle
of
the
block
as
to
why
we're
not
rezoning
the
entirety
of
the
property
we
met
with
mr.
Patterson
Zoning
Administrator,
and
we
learned
a
couple
of
interesting
things:
one
we
don't
want
to
push
them
into
a
legal
non-conforming
use
for
the
parking
that's
required
for
the
size
of
the
temple
itself.
They
do
still
have
annual
functions
that
need
to
meet
a
certain
parking
criteria.
P
They
need
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
parking
stalls
associated
with
that
use,
and
so
that's
in
some
part
what
you
see
remaining
on
that
property.
Second,
there
they
themselves
just
aren't
ready
to
see
that
seventy
seventh
Eastside
developed
the
other
thing
that
came
out
of
our
meeting
with
what
Joel
was
the
ingress
egress
points.
So
you
see
that
we
we
had
two
tails
part
of
the
reason.
Those
tails
at
one
point
in
time
were
his
owned
institutional,
as
they
were
a
major
ingress,
egress
access
point
to
that
institutional
use.
P
If
we
now
change
that
and
that
becomes
an
RO
use,
it's
the
it's
the
shopping
center
rule.
You
can't
drive
through
a
use
that
does
not
permit
a
use
in
the
adjacent
zone.
So
if
a
residential
product
were
ever
developed
on
that
ro,
because
it's
not
a
permitted
use
in
the
institution,
that
would
not
be
able
to
suffice
as
access
for
that.
That
brings
up
fire
because
of
the
beautiful
nature
of
600
East
anything
over
30
feet
of
height.
P
The
fire
department
needs
to
be
able
to
pull
their
new
beautiful
long
fire
truck
with
the
aerial
apparatus,
access
to
no
closer
than
15
feet,
and
no
further
than
30
feet
with
on
street
parking
with
that
beautiful
park
strip
any
develop,
and
then
the
the
front
yard
setback
in
the
street
trees.
It
mitigates
that
being
used
as
an
aerial
apparatus,
yes,
and
so
getting
into
the
middle
of
that
block,
is
going
to
be
necessary.
P
It's
going
to
be
required,
and
so
because
of
that
in
talking
to
staff,
they
felt
the
that
access
off
of
North
temple
into
this
block
was
something
that
would
be
critical
to
include,
but
really
it
serves.
As
a
kind
of
squaring
off
that
use,
I
think
that
the
conversations
we've
had
with
a
couple
of
neighbors
a
couple
other
individuals
that
came
to
the
open
house
at
first
when
they
saw
the
map
to
Lexus
point,
they
thought
the
inverse.
P
They
thought
the
institution
was
already
out
on
60s
that
it
was
at
a
30
foot
height
with
a
75
foot
height
by
site
and
conditional
process.
We
said
no
that
uses
interior
to
the
block
and
then
they're
kind
of
concerns
about
that
quickly
changed
the
other
thing
that
we
did
here,
while
not
a
contributing
structure.
There
is
a
an
old
Masonic
home
that
is
back
behind
the
Masonic
Temple
in
this
area
and
we've
we've
had
some
individuals
express
a
concern
about
it.
Again,
it's
not
a
contributing
structure.
P
P
Those
are
elements
that
we
know
are
going
to
be
brought
into
the
conversation
when
we
get
specific
into
design
and
use
right
now,
it's
you
know
is
it?
Is
it
appropriate
to
kind
of
square
off
an
ro
use?
That's
really
there
in
the
area.
Is
there
anything
else
that
that
you
all
have
in
your
minds
that
we
should
be
mindful
of
as
we
move
forward?
We
know
that
we'll
come
back
at
some
point
with
a
specific
project
of
some
kind
to
talk
to
you
about
so
with
that
I
would
I
would
say.
B
F
You
know
how
its
compatible
and
how
it
meets
the
the
regulations
and
the
standards
for
the
district,
as
well
as
those
three
block.
Yeah
I
mean
I,
guess
the
you
know
the
benefit
of
a
proposal
like
this
is
it
does
allow
potentially
for
the
developers
to
kind
of
go
a
lower
height
along
the
street
frontage,
to
kind
of
honor
the
character
of
that
street
frontage,
but
then
actually
potentially
go
a
little
higher
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
So
that
is
one
benefit
of
this
proposal.
Right.
B
F
B
I
Guess
linking
back
to
the
previous
presentation
about
Texas
sort
of
being
everything
when,
when
the
proposal
comes
in
obviously
that's
I
mean
it's
just
critical.
How
that
how
it
is
presented,
how
it
lands
in
that
neighborhood,
but
I
mean
that
one
block
is.
It
is
a
critical
block.
Obviously,
and
so
you.
G
Get
there
nearly
all
right.
My
thoughts
when
this
you
guys
were
talking
is
I'd,
certainly
like
to
see
something
other
than
the
parking
lot
there,
but
I
know
there's
a
really
beautiful,
Victorian
home
or
two
on
the
corner,
and
then
every
time
I
Drive
by
that
development
that
Sinclair
oils
done
down
the
street
I
think
what
a
what
a
beautiful
addition
that
is.
G
B
P
P
Code
down
the
street
or
the
Sinclair
oil,
the
Masonic
Temple
itself,
I
mean
there
there's
no
doubt
that
the
mo
come
from
the
McCarthy
mansion
right
there.
There's
no
doubt
that
there
is
some
great
attentional
need
to
be
placed
on
the
context
of
the
building
not
only
from
a
building
fit
and
finish,
but
also
even
a
landscape
respect,
as
we
just
heard.