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Salt Lake City Planning Commission - 06/12/2019
Full meeting.
A
This
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission
to
order
we
have
a
pretty
good
crowd
here
tonight.
So
please
remember
to
be
turning
off
your
cell
phones,
please,
if
you
have
to
take
a
call,
take
it
out
in
the
hall.
Please
please
be
courteous
of
people
who
are
speaking.
If
you
are
here
to
speak
on
a
particular
item,
you
can
come
up
when
we
call
for
the
public
meeting
state
your
name
for
the
record
into
the
microphone
and
you'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
A
If
someone's
here
from
a
community
council,
they
have
five
minutes
to
speak,
but
we
pretty
strictly
enforced.
That
and
I
said
be
polite
to
other
people.
No
booing
hissing,
cheering
carrying
on
okay,
okay,
we'll
get
the
meeting
started.
I
need
a
motion
for
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
From
the
last
meeting.
C
F
F
F
We
have
sent
out
an
email
requesting
your
attendance
at
and
I
guess
you
could
call
it
an
ad-hoc
meeting
on
July
31st,
because
the
second
meeting
falls
on
Pioneer
Day.
Obviously
no
one's
going
to.
We
don't
have
a
meeting
that
day,
so
we
are
trying
to
have
a
second
meeting
in
July,
so
that'll
be
July
31st
at
the
moment.
We're
trying
to
limit
that
meeting
to
just
city
initiated
petitions
and
briefings.
So
we
can
have
a
more
engaged
conversation
about
those
particular
items.
F
A
G
So
I'm
covering
this
item
for
Eric
he's
out
at
a
conference,
so
this
is
request
by
Brock
Loomis
for
an
amendment
to
a
plan
development
that
was
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
September
26
2018
for
a
project
called
Moda
on
Maine,
which
was
a
multi-family
development
at
approximately
1570
South
Main
Street
major
modifications
to
a
plan
development
require
the
Planning
Commission's
approval.
So
that's
why
the
projects
before
you
this
evening?
G
The
proposed
changes
would
allow
for
each
of
the
eleven
units
to
be
plotted
on
their
own
lot,
no
other
to
the
no
other
changes
to
the
site
or
building
forms
that
were
previously
approved
by
the
Commission
are
proposed.
With
this
amendment,
the
overall
development
site
meets
the
size
requirements
for
the
zone.
Each
lot
would
accommodate
space
for
only
the
proposed
unit.
Only
parking
open
space
and
those
types
of
things
would
be
common
area.
The
original
approved
setbacks
with
the
plan
development
are
maintained
with
the
amendments
to
the
proposal.
G
A
C
A
A
C
Heard
question
about
parking:
we
can
give
an
update
we.
It
was
a
discussion
when
we
came
through
for
the
planned
development
at
the
parking
on
Main
Street
and
we
still
had
to
go
to
the
urban
forester
for
review.
He
did
want
one
of
those
trees
to
remain,
and
so
the
parking
was
taken
from
seven
stalls
to
five
so
on
the
street
on
Main
Street,
okay,.
A
A
H
H
H
Part
of
it
is
on
the
motor
side
as
I
look
at
where
they've
marked
it
with
the
when
they're,
when
they
put
the
survey
in
and
at
the
back
side
the
fence
is
on
our
side,
it's
a
chain-link
fence,
and
if
you
look
at
the
pictures
of
the
thing
they're
proposing
putting
in
a
board
fence
and
and
also
taking
out
a
couple
of
trees,
the
trees
are
on
there
on
their
side.
The
fence
is
part
of
it's
on
our
side.
H
According
to
the
the
survey,
markers
and
part
of
it
in
the
back
is,
is
on
their
side.
Hopefully,
I
got
that
right
and
we
also
have
a
garage
that
is
right.
Next
to
it,
it's
an
older
type
garage
I,
don't
know
how
what
the
plan
is.
If
you're
going
to
have
the
wood
fence
there,
you
know
the
Phinney,
the
multiple
board,
wood
fence.
H
If
it's
going
to
go
up
against
that
or
what
the
thing
is
also
the
sewage
in
the
area,
how
is
that
going
to
affect
everybody
else's
sewage,
you're,
essentially
putting
11
units
in
in
an
area
that
we
had
a
just
a
building
in
it?
So
is
there
going
to
be
any
any
situation
where
it's
gonna
affect
everybody
else
up
and
down
on
Van,
Buren
and
Harris,
because
I
don't
know
how
the
sewage
vide
goes
and
also
the
same
with
the
power
lines?
Are
they
going
to
be
underground?
A
C
C
C
Name
is
Tracey
Jensen
I
live
east
of
the
proposed
project.
My
understanding
is
that
Main
Street
is
about
to
undergo
some
changes
to
improve
bike.
Lane
accessibility
I'm
wondering
how
that's
going
to
be
impacted
with
the
street
parking
that's
proposed
with
this
site.
So
if
that
question
could
be
answered.
A
A
C
A
A
I
G
Its
parking
I
think
this
is
a
multi-family
project
and
in
that
zone
it's
two
parking
spaces
for
each
dwelling
unit
with
two
or
more
bedrooms,
one
parking
space
for
one
bedroom
and
efficiency
or
half
a
parking
space
for
single
room
occupancy
I'm,
not
certain
on
the
occupancy
or
the
number
of
rooms
within
those
units,
but
regardless
they
have
to
meet
the
parking
requirement.
We
don't
have
a
way
for
them
to
waive
that
parking
requirement
in
our
zoning
ordinance.
J
G
B
A
A
G
A
E
B
A
L
G
A
G
So
this
item
is
for
residential
development
by
CW
urban,
it's
represented
by
Auggie
wasment
at
approximately
45
to
59
South
600
West.
The
projects
before
you
this
evening,
because
all
new
construction
in
the
gateway
mixed
use
zone
requires
a
plan
development
approval.
Also,
in
addition
to
that
plan,
development
request,
they
are
requesting
reductions
to
the
parking
lot
landscaping
requirements
and
the
exterior
materials
require
approval
through
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
review
process,
which
I
will
probably
just
be
referring
to
as
design
review
for
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
G
The
development
includes
four
separate
four-story
buildings
with
a
total
of
48
units.
On-Site
parking
for
the
project
is
accessed
from
600,
West
and
located
interior
to
the
project.
There's
also
a
mid
block
walkway
identified
on
the
downtown
master
plan
and
that's
been
incorporated
into
the
project
into
the
project
along
the
eastern
property
line
running
north
and
south
in
terms
of
the
specific
requests
that
are
the
specific
requests
and
modifications
that
are
before
you
this
evening.
The
applicant
is
requesting
reductions
to
the
parking
lot
landscaping
requirements
through
the
plan
development
process.
G
These
landscaping
regulations
are
required
when
a
parking
lot
has
15
spaces
and,
with
the
end,
is
within
20
feet
of
a
property
line.
7-Foot
wide
landscaped
area
is
required
along
the
perimeter
of
the
parking
lot.
Those
call-outs
of
the
seven
feet
show
where
that
seven-foot
width
is
required.
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
reduce
the
landscaping
along
the
north
and
south
portions,
where
approximately
874
square
feet
of
landscaping
would
be
included
in
those
areas.
G
The
total
area
of
square
of
landscaped
area
within
the
internal
area
of
the
parking
lot
is
380
again.
We're
497
is
required.
The
intent
of
the
Interior
parking
lot
landscaping
is
to
break
up
large
expanses
of
Pat
of
pavement,
provide
relief
from
heat
island
effect
associated
with
paved
areas,
provide
shade
protection
and
reduce
impervious
surfaces
with
environmental
design
that
provides
areas
for
storm
runoff.
G
The
zoning
ordinance
states
that
the
intent
is
to
require
higher
landscaping
for
residential
uses,
principal
specifically
multifamily
uses
than
for
non-residential
uses
staff
did
meet
with
the
applicant
and
made
suggestions
for
possible
modifications
to
these
landscaping
standards
that
could
potentially
still
meet
the
intent
of
the
earth.
These
requirements,
however,
the
applicant
move
forward
with
a
design.
That's
before
you
this
evening.
The
narrative
indicates
that
the
reduction
would
allow
for
better
circulation
throughout
the
site
and
the
ability
to
provide
the
mid
block
walkway.
However,
the
mid
block
walkways
already
required
as
part
of
the
development.
G
It
also
indicates
that
the
design
would
allow
them
to
move
the
parking
lot
interior
to
the
site,
but
the
GMU
zoning
standards
are
already
required.
The
parking
lot
to
be
interior
to
the
site
or
setback
30
feet
from
the
property
line.
Those
are
built
in
standards
to
enhance
the
overall
experience
of
you
know
the
pedestrian
experience
in
the
GME
zoning
district.
The
narrative
also
indicates
that
this
would
allow
them
to
additional
surface
parking
spaces
on
site.
The
maximum
parking
allowed
for
the
project
is
24
spaces.
G
So
staffs
opinion
is
that,
given
the
project's
proximity
to
mass
transit
and
the
potential
to
explore
the
possibility
of
offsite
parking
on
the
underutilized
parking
lot
to
the
north
of
this
property
and
that
that
parking
lot
could
also
tie
into
the
mid-block
walkway,
that's
proposed
with
the
development
staff
doesn't
think
that
reduction
of
the
landscaping
requirements
is
an
appropriate
modification
to
accommodate
the
parking.
That's
already
beyond
the
maximum
spaces
that
are
required
for
the
development.
G
Again,
we
don't
support
the
reduction
of
the
landscaping
for
the
mid-block
walkway
or
the
parking
interior
to
the
site,
because
those
are
things
that
are
already
required
by
the
zoning
ordinance.
As
part
of
that
analysis,
we
considered
the
purpose
of
the
plan
development,
which
considers
the
relationship
between
the
proposed
reductions
and
whether
or
not
they
result
in
a
better
project
than
just
the
strict
zoning
would
require.
G
In
relation
to
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
standards
for
the
proposed
exterior
materials,
the
GMU
zone
requires
that
all
buildings
have
a
minimum
of
70%
of
exterior
materials,
be
brick,
masonry,
textured
or
patterned
concrete
and
then
any
other
material.
If
it's
used
beyond
just
minor
building
elements
requires
this
design
review
process
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
those
of
that
request
with
conditions
the
elevations
that
face
the
public
way
incorporate
a
lot
of
detailing
and
projections
and
recessions
with
the
porch
element.
G
However,
we
are
requesting
a
condition
of
approval
related
to
the
interior
facades
that
are
adjacent
to
the
mid-block
walkway.
The
GMU
design
requirements
require
architectural
detailing
that
facilitates
pedestrian
interest
and,
in
addition
to
those,
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
review
standards,
discuss
pedestrian
orientation
and
detailing
at
the
ground
level.
G
The
project
does
have
a
mid
block.
Walkway
it's
identified
in
the
master
plan.
They've
incorporated
the
walkway
along
the
eastern
portion
of
the
site
because
they
are
going
through
this
design
review
process
that
also
triggered
them
to
have
to
include
public
art
within
their
proposal.
There's
a
rendering
of
the
public
art
that
they've
proposed
to
different
options
and
then
that
arrow
points
to
approximate
approximately
where
they
intend
for
that
art
to
be
located.
We
did
get
some
comments
from
the
Arts
Council
on
that
public
art
and
that's
included
in
the
staff
report.
G
And
we
are
also
recommending
some
conditions
of
approval
related
to
the
mid-block
walkway
that
include
providing
an
unobstructed
pedestrian
pathway,
greater
visibility
of
the
public
art,
which
is
proposed
along
the
walkway
and
standards
for
public
spaces
in
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
process
for
which
includes
sitting
spaces
shade
and
things
like
that.
So
here's
some
photos
of
the
existing
site
from
600
West.
K
G
Not
requesting
that
through
this
process,
but
yeah,
the
maximum
parking
for
this
project,
I
believe
is
24
spaces
right
and
so
they're
going
through
transportation
demand
to
increase
that
maximum
and
I
believe
there,
including
some
secured
bicycle
storage
and
I'm,
not
certain
what
else
they're
doing.
But
okay
and.
K
K
K
G
The
idea
is
that
the
mid-block
walkway
will
connect
once
it
goes
through
the
properties
to
the
north
and
south
when
they
redevelop,
but
also
the
connection
from
600
west
right
now,
so
that
driveway
approach
is
utilized
for
their
parking
access.
But
it
is
also
a
pedestrian
access
for
the
mid-block
walkway.
K
G
E
M
G
G
E
G
E
Then,
if
we
approve
this,
this
with
the
designs
as
Donald
it
exceed
the
parking
maximum
and
transportation
comes
back
and
says
nope,
you
can't
exceed
the
parking
maximum,
but
they're
gonna
have
to
come
back
here,
because
that
not
a
significant
enough
like
change
in
the
planned
development
that
they
wouldn't
need
to
come
back
here.
Well,.
G
E
E
A
N
O
N
M
N
So,
first
of
all,
we
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
all
you
folks
for
being
here
tonight.
We
appreciate
it
and
also
we
want
to
thank
Amy,
who
was
the
planner
on
this
for
unpacking
everything
you
guys
just
saw
her
unpack.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
going
on
here
and
she's
been
really
great
and
mostly
patient
with
me.
So
I
really
appreciate
that.
N
N
We
specialize
in
missing
middle
for
sale,
housing
and,
if
you've
seen
our
projects,
you
kind
of
have
an
idea
of
what
that
is,
but
basically
it's
not
the
super
high-end
high
density
stuff
and
it's
not
the
low-end
subsidized
stuff.
It's
kind
of
right
in
the
middle
that
attacks
that
attainable
or
affordable
with
a
lowercase
a
as
I
like
to
say,
and
when
we
thought
about
this
site,
we
thought
that
this
would
qualify
really
well
for
that.
N
That
no
one
knows
exists
to
your
point:
there's
no
access
north
or
south.
So
it's
just
a
landlocked
mid
block
walkway
this
house
went
in
there,
but
no
one
can
see
it.
So
we
got
this
back.
We
fired
those
guys
and
we
asked
our
local
in-house
architects
and
design
team
to
come
up
with
something.
But
this
time
we
said
to
them.
N
N
Think
one
thing
that's
important
to
note
on
this
is,
if
you
look
to
the
right-hand
side
of
the
driveway
and
it's
super
hard
to
see,
but
there's
actually
a
walkway
there
for
pedestrians
that
goes
down
the
driveway
and
the
reason
that's
important
is
because
that's
way
of
inviting
the
community
back
to
that
mid
block
walkway
and
giving
them
an
access
point
so
that
they
can
enjoy
it
with
us.
We
really
think
this
focus
is
on
the
inclusive
nature
of
the
neighborhood.
N
N
So
the
other
thing
we
asked
for
is
for
some
relief
from
the
material
requirements
which
Amy
touched
on
and
planning
staff
actually
agrees
with
us.
They
did
ask
for
some
conditions
in
yet
the
approval
of
those
of
that
relief.
Pardon
me
I'd,
like
to
just
address
some
of
the
conditions
you
all
should
have
a
copy
of
this
in
the
staff
report.
If
you
want
to
follow
along
so
condition,
wanted
to
ask
for
a
second
path
to
access
across
our
lot
to
the
mid-block
walkway.
N
One
of
the
things
that
we've
done
is
we've
actually
decided
to
stamp
and
stain
the
concrete
which,
if
you
look
up
here,
you
can
see
what
that
looks
like.
So
this
provides
not
only
a
dry
vile,
but
also
an
inviting
place
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists
as
well.
So
we
feel
like
that
sort
of
satisfies
the
second
access
point.
The
other
thing
that
they've
asked
to
do
is
to
get
rid
of
these
two
parking
stalls,
which
obviously
parking
is
a
hot
button
tonight,
and
not
just
tonight,
but
across
our
city.
N
N
This
was
a
really
big
application
and
we
understand
how
this
could
be
overlooked,
but
this
is
actually
the
renderings
that
we
put
in
our
application
and
we
fully
intend
on
a
planning,
if
providing
the
benches
and
the
shade
trees.
So
we're
on
board
of
that.
We
also
don't
mind
providing
a
sign.
We
just
ask
that
we
could
pick
it
so
it
sort
of
matches
the
aesthetic
of
the
neighborhood
condition.
Five
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
technical
condition.
N
It
asks
us
to
move
our
gas
meters
to
the
outside
walls,
so
the
walls
that
would
be
facing
the
neighbors.
The
problem
with
that
is
that's
where
our
electrical
boxes
are
located
and
by
code.
We
can't
run
gas
lines
and
electrical
lines
that
close
together.
So
we've
actually
decided
to
place
our
gas
meters
here
and
there
in
this
rendering
believe
it
or
not,
they're,
just
really
well
camouflaged
by
the
landscaping,
we're
happy
to
move
them
to
the
outside
of
the
building.
N
We
would
just
have
to
bring
these
big
electrical
boxes
in
and
we
just
can't
hide
those.
So
that's
why
we
have
the
gas
meters
where
we
have
them
conditioned
six
asks
for
some
additional
architectural
design
in
this
portion
of
the
project,
which
is
a
private
inward
facing
facade,
and
we
definitely
appreciate
that
concern,
however,
guiding
principle
three
of
the
Salt
Lake
City
master
plan
charges,
city
planners
with
providing
quote
access
to
a
wide
variety
of
housing
types
for
all
income
levels.
N
End
quote:
when
we
designed
this
project,
we
decided
to
forego
a
lot
of
the
amenities
you
see
in
these
other
downtown
projects
going
up
right.
Now
we
don't
have
a
lavish
gym.
We
don't
have
free
breakfast
in
the
morning.
We
don't
have
a
rooftop
pool
with
mermaids.
In
it,
we've
decided
to
try
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
of
a
differentiated
housing
product,
that's
available
to
all
income
levels.
So
you
know
we
get
that
this
is
a
pretty
plain
Jane
looking
wall
and
we've
actually
taken
staff
suggestions
into
consideration.
N
We've
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
a
pretty
good
compromise.
So
it's
tough
to
see
in
this
rendering,
but
we've
actually
added
a
differentiation
of
material
and
we've
also
added
some
three-dimensional
relief
to
the
wall
conditions.
7
&
8
are
actually
very
reasonable
and
we
think
that
that
would
hold
not
only
us
accountable,
but
it
gives
us
a
way
to
deliver
what
we
say
we're
going
to
deliver,
so
we
don't
have
any
issues
with
those.
N
In
conclusion,
I'd
just
like
to
thank
everyone
for
their
time
and
again,
especially
Amy's
effort
on
this
I
know,
we
all
have
the
same
goals,
which
is
to
bring
quality
projects
to
our
city
in
a
responsible
manner.
These
buildings
are
going
to
be
around
for
a
long
time
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
done
right.
I
appreciate
staffs
concerns,
however,
I,
that
the
project
not
be
broken
down
part
by
part
and
instead
be
considered
as
a
whole.
I
came
here
tonight
to
ask
for
approval
on
all
of
my
requests.
E
N
So
you
can
see,
there's
a
reveal
there,
it's
really
hard
to
see
because
it's
far
away
and
we're
low-tech
guys,
but
there
is
a
reveal
to
try
to
differentiate
pedestrian
space,
our
goal
here
we
actually
we
drew
some
inspiration
from
the
gateway
where
the
cars
are
going
really
slow.
You
feel
like
you're,
interacting
with
them,
and
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
clear
space.
Part
of
the
other
issue
we
have
is:
we've
got
a
adhere
to
some
fire
codes,
so
we
get
really
constrained
by
the
narrowness
of
this
space.
E
N
Maybe
just
one
point
of
clarification
on
the
parking:
we
have
met
the
requirements
to
increase
our
parking
maximums
and
we've
done
that
at
the
request
of
stakeholders.
So
we
qualify
it
back
to
kind
of
the
transportation
question
we've
met,
the
transportation
demand
strategy
requirements
and
we
do
qualify
for
an
increase
in
parking.
I
mean
it.
E
It's
it's
really
rare
to
have
a
developer
come
before
us
and
exceed
the
parking
requirements
and
I
mean
I
know:
you've
got
a
certain
style.
We've
seen
your
stuff
come
through
before
and
and
prove
number
of
the
developments,
but
with
this
project.
What
is
what
is
the
interest
that
you're
trying
to
achieve
by
expanding
parking
I
mean
because
it's
a
pretty
urban
area,
it's
right
next
to
the
intermodal
hub,
but
yeah
presumably,
is
a
place
that
you
know.
People
have
mixed
incomes
and
stuff.
What
kind
of
B&B
kind
of
living
I'm
just
curious?
N
A
great
question
and
I
thought
there
is
that
we're
trying
to
get
a
different
person
than
is
just
going
to
jump
on
tracks
and
go
to
work
on
Main
Street
and
that
person
is
going
to
go
recreative
weekends
and
it's
really
hard
to
take
public
transit
to
go
fly
fish
on
the
Provo
River.
So
our
thought
is
they're.
Gonna
have
cars
and
they're
gonna
need
some
place
to
store
them,
but
we're
hoping
that
they'll
gravitate
towards
public
transit
for
their
Monday
through
Friday
commute.
So
that's
why
we
are
trying
to
increase.
N
So
the
proposed
site
has
31
stalls
in
48
units,
we've
added
I,
don't
know
if
I
have
any
images
of
it.
We've
added
8
stalls,
yeah
we've
asked
to
add
8
stalls
on
the
street
here
in
the
park
strip
and
we're
working
with
transportation
to
have
that
approved,
but
that's
obviously
not
part
of
our
project.
The
only
thing
is
the
31
stalls
in
the
in
the
center
there
and.
N
E
E
N
So
we're
actually
gonna
sell
the
parking
because
we're
hoping
that
we
get
kind
of
a
blend
of
people
who
don't
want
to
have
to
have
a
car.
Don't
have
a
car
and
then
also
those
that
do
want
to
recreative
the
weekends
or
need
the
reliability
of
a
car
to
get
back
and
forth
to
silicon
slopes
or
something
like
that.
Have
the
car
and
can
page
so
it'd
be
an
additional
option.
H
Maybe
one
thing
just
to
clarify
the
mixed
units
on
this
building.
We
go
to
a
one
bedroom,
two
or
three
bedrooms.
That
is
not
a
lot
of
places
in
downtown
that
you
could
rent
three
bedroom
in
case
someone
that
actually
has
a
family
and
wanted
to
to
have
the
kids
living
with
them.
They
might
need
a
car
to
take
the
kids
to
the
school,
and
so,
if
that's
what
we
feel
like
parking,
it
would
be
kind
of
something
required
to
facilitate
people
to
feel
the
desire
to
live
in
that
neighborhood.
N
P
By
no
means
are
we
pro
car,
you
know
we
wanted
a
nice
urban
environment
where
it's
within.
We
want
to
promote
walkability
so
through
that,
what's
kind
of
giving
us
these
this
option
to
advances.
You
know
the
two
things
we
did
is
we
have
covered
bike
storage
in
each
of
the
buildings
so
that
people
can
have
as
accurate
covered
place
for
their
bikes
and
also
we've
sponsored
green
bike,
so
help
promote
that
program.
N
That's
owned
by
the
Boyar
corporation
and
I
totally
appreciate
the
idea
of
working
with
those
guys
and
Friends
with
quite
a
few
of
them,
but
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
liability
involved
with
both
parties
for
us
to
lease
some
space
from
them
and
provide
an
access
easement
and
it
it
just
yeah.
It
causes
a
lot
of
issues
for
both
parties.
N
A
A
G
G
So
it's
specific
to
parking
lot
landscaping.
They
also
have
a
requirement
because
of
the
square
footage
which
has
been
taken
out
of
the
new
ordinance
but
they're
in
the
old
ordinance
related
to
how
much
open
space
is
required
for
the
site.
So
in
terms
of
that
requirement,
that's
in
the
analysis
in
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
section,
it's
not
really
additional
landscaping.
G
We've
staff
has
said
because
of
its
proximity
to
some
other
open
space
areas
such
as
the
600
or
I,
guess,
the
500
west
medians
the
park
block
medians
and
as
well
as
other
areas
like
the
Gateway
Mall
that
we
think
that
the
open
space
meets
the
work
like
the
intent
of
that
requirement,
but
it
doesn't
change
our
analysis
in
terms
of
the
parking
lot
landscaping.
The
Commission,
however,
could
make
different
findings
regarding
that,
but
it
doesn't
change
our
analysis
because
what
they
show
tonight
is
the
same
as
what
we
analyzed
in
our
proposal.
Yeah
and.
G
I
know
some
of
us,
like
scored,
concrete,
I,
think
I
think
the
paving
is
fine.
You
know
it
shows
a
shared
space,
I
think
maybe
separate
pavings
for
the
two
different
pathways
and
term.
You
know
not
having
all
of
the
same
paving
for
the
cars
and
the
pedestrian
way,
but
I
don't
have
strong
opinions
on
that
either
way.
F
I
think
we
actually
agreed
we,
we
liked
the
idea
of
having
the
walkway
along
the
south
side
of
that
driveway
to
help
define
kind
of
the
safe
pedestrian
area
to
walk
and
where
the
cars
would
go,
but
actually
twinning
that
on
both
sides,
helps
visually
narrow,
the
driveway
without
physically
narrowing
the
required
with
fire
access.
So
it
would
actually
help
the
driver's
coming
in
and
out
drive
slower
because
it
visually
feels
tighter,
because
the
drive
with
looks
different
because
the
defined
areas
for
walking
would
be
like
a
different
colored
concrete
or
something
like
that.
G
G
G
E
E
Meters
for
the
building
will
be
located
on
interior
side
yard
of
the
parcel,
as
opposed
to
on
the
driveway.
But
if
you
were,
if
we
were
to
say,
gas
meters
will
be
appropriately
screened
with
landscaping
or
other
I
mean
is
that
is
that
more
the
issue
that
we're
trying
to
get
at
yeah?
And
it's
like,
where
they're
located
right.
E
G
F
A
N
N
That's
why
we
move
the
gas
lines
where
we
put
them
and
we
also
can't
screen
them
technically,
because
they've
got
to
come
in
and
read
the
meters.
But
what
I
didn't
communicate
to
Amy
is
that
there
was
a
code
issue
there
and
that
also
we
were
planning
on
landscaping
that
area.
So
we
we
can
put
the
electrical
boxes
in
the
drive
aisle
but
they're
the
size
of
that
door
on
every
building,
and
so
that's
much
uglier.
In
our
opinion
and.
M
N
N
P
Yeah
again,
can
you
go
to
the
front
elevation,
so
both
the
east
and
west
elevations
are
somewhat
the
same,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
glass
on
those
facades
because
they
face
the
street
or
they
face
this.
The
mid
block
walkway.
So
we
want
the
eyes
on
the
street.
There's
code
requirements
that
meters,
whether
it's
electrical
or
gas,
and
only
they
have
to
have
at
least
a
three
foot
separation
from
an
operable
window
to
where
they're
mounted-
and
we
just
don't-
have
that
real
state
to
put
that
amount
of
meters
on
those
facades.
P
E
H
E
E
P
So
essentially,
I
give
you
the
solution.
So
if
we,
if
we
wanted
to
keep
that
access
way
sacred
and
clean
of
any
utilities
and
move
them
to,
let's
say
the
east
facing
facade
of
the
street
of
the
street
facing
building.
That
would
mean
that
for
the
ground
floor,
where
we're
trying
to
provide
as
much
glazing
as
possible
to
have
eyes
on
the
street,
we
would
have
to
reduce
that
glazing.
P
So
we
would
have
to
so
we'd
have
more
solid
walls
to
towards
the
parking
yes
so,
which
we
you
know
as
security
is
to
try
and
have
access
back
to
the
mid-block
walkway
as
and
also
security
for
people.
We
just
want
to
try
to
keep
that
ground
floor
as
porous
as
possible
where
people
are
are
walking
and
parking
and
such,
and
so
that's
why
we
fell.
You
know
what
let's
try
to
move
it
on
the
on
these
least
these
less
dominant
sides,
where
we
can
hide
it
with.
E
R
E
It
doesn't
really
to
me
when
I
think
of
what
the
intent
is
with
all
those
mid-block
crossings
and
that
we've
tried
to
do
as
plans.
We
try
to
make
places
where
people
can
go
and
a
4-foot
sidewalk
that
looks
like
you're
going
on
the
back
of
a
building.
That's
right
up.
Next
to
it,
looks
like
going
in
an
alleyway.
It
doesn't
look
safe,
Jason.
G
So
it's
in
the
middle
of
so
their
parcels
to
the
north
and
south,
where
the
walkway
would
connect
to
answer
your
question
about
specific
requirements
in
terms
of
the
width
of
like
any
width
requirements,
I,
don't
think
in
this
particular
zone.
We
have
any
standards
adopted
into
the
ordinance,
but
in
other
zones,
where
we
also
require
a
mid
block
walkways
such
as
the
TSA
I,
believe
it
specifically
ten
feet
in
width.
We
do
have
some
draft
design
guidelines.
I.
Think
that
also
echo
that
and.
K
So
I
just
have
a
question
and
maybe
I'm
off
on
some
of
my
some
of
my
measurements,
I'm.
Looking
at
your
parking
lot
and
I'm
noticing
that
on
the
west
side
of
the
parking
lot,
you
have
an
extra,
oh,
maybe
five
or
six
feet
that
you
don't
actually
need
for
parking,
in
other
words
between
the
two
stalls,
let's
line
each
other,
and
then
you
have
the
25
20
foot
way
to
get
there.
It's
really
hard
to
see
on
this
you're.
K
N
K
H
H
K
P
J
J
N
N
N
We
just
shifted
that
ad,
a
stall
up
and
move
the
other
stall
down
that
would
put
the
ad
a
hashing
right
in
the
middle
and
I
understand
your
concern,
which
is
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
access
that,
and
the
point
isn't
for
somebody
to
go,
stand
there
and
block
people.
The
point
would
be
to
walk
through
it
and
make
connectivity
to
the
mid-block
walkway.
So
maybe
something
we
could
do
is
just
shift
that
ad
a
stall
up
and.
J
That
would
also
need
to
do
more
than
just
hash
tag
striping
it,
because
if
I
were
a
pedestrian
I'd
be
like
what
it's
that
uni
a
parking,
you
would
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
visually
creative.
To
also,
let
me
understand
that
as
a
multi-purpose
access
absolutely
because,
obviously
having
that
be
the
ad
a
extension
is,
it
was
very
important
to
that
stall.
Absolutely
so,
but
you
would
need
to
do
some
sort
of
visual
and
you
would
need
to
align
it.
So
if
you
it's.
J
N
And
something
to
point
out
is
our
plan
to
stamp
in
and
stay
in?
This
concrete
was
to
sort
of
satisfy
that
idea
of
having
two
walkways
and
we
thought
that
this
would
be
better,
but
it
almost
sounds
like.
Maybe
we
should
go
back
to
two
walkways
with
different
colored
concrete
to
make
it
really
clear
and
then
incorporate.
Maybe
those
two
coming
together
as
a
pathway
into
that
mid
block
walkway,
and
we
can
just
continue
the
color.
J
C
J
So
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
bringing
here
is
like
this
is
you
know
you
can
have
this
conception
and
but
that's
not
how
people
end
up
so
yeah
having
the
different
colors
having
those
visual
cues,
because
we
just
did
this
in
in
my
community
like
last
year
and
it
was
a
big
deal
where
the
road
was
bisecting
and
it
was
a
big
deal
to
have
them
be
differentiated
for
coloring
for
the
motorists
for
the
pedestrians
but
I
think
having
it
visually
lined
up
as
well
as
also
very
important.
I
would
be
willing
to
support.
J
You
know
we're
done
if
you're
willing
to
do
that.
I'm
totally.
That's
that's
fine
with
me,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
have
that
opening
and
not
block
it
with
vehicles,
because
if
you
do
you
as
a
pedestrian,
you
just
really
go
well.
I
gotta,
like
worm
my
way
through
yeah
and
and
I.
Don't
think
you
want
that
we.
N
K
N
K
Than
that
I
I
kind
of
agree
that
we're
a
little
a
little
bit
in
advance
of
having
so
few
parking
spaces,
especially
for
places
that
has
a
three
bedroom
units
where
it's
quite
conceivable.
You
know
there
would
be
two
parking
spaces
required
for
that
unit
and-
and
you
know,
half
or
none
for
a
lot
of
other
units,
it
might
be
possible,
but
it's
gonna
I,
think
it's
a
maybe
ten
years
ahead
of
its
time.
Well,.
G
J
A
K
Two
parking
spaces
in
front
of
the
mid-block
walkway
to
be
removed.
I
think
what
we
want
to
say
there
is
that
open
space
there
will
be
consolidated
with
the
existing
or
the
proposed
handicapped
space,
so
that
access
into
the
mid
back
walkway
is
visible
from
the
from
the
street.
A
sense
essentially
right.
K
J
K
K
G
K
J
K
What
they
learn
here
is
landscaping
in
the
sense
of
a
plant
here
and
plant
there
cutting
stuff
here
thanks
we'll
make
that
clear
when
I
do
this
again
number
seven
final
approval
of
the
details
for
parking
lot:
revisions,
signage
street
lighting,
landscape
details,
streetscape,
details,
hardscaping
and
landscaping
details
to
be
Delia,
Gallagher
planning
staff
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
standards
for
conditional
building
and
site
design
and
plan
developments.
I.
J
K
B
N
K
K
G
Though,
in
the
and
staffs
analysis
in
terms
of
our
recommendation,
I've
tied
each
of
the
conditions
to
what
standard
I
believe
that
they
do
not
comply
with.
So
if
you
look
in
attachment,
gh
and
I,
you
could
refer
to
those
and
you
would
need
to
make
an
alternate
finding
if,
if
you're
not
going
with
staffs
recommended
motion.
G
G
K
K
G
On
the
north
side,
it's
supposed
to
be
7
feet
wide.
On
the
south
side,
there's
perimeter
parking
lot,
landscaping
7
feet
in
width,
one
of
their
areas,
4
feet
in
width
and
then
on
the
interior
parking
lot.
Landscaping
I
have
the
exact
amounts
somewhere
here
in
my
notes,
but
but
they
were
off
by
you
ever
take.
You
know
100
and
100
plus
square
feet
on
both
of
those
requirements.
So.
G
H
And
maybe
just
a
clarification
on
on
one
side
where
we
are
requesting
the
most
is
where
we
have
a
trash
enclosure.
That
is
the
screen
beyond.
That
is
a
landscape
of
the
parking
lot
of
the
the
project
to
the
to
the
north
of
us,
so
that
that
extra
that
seven
feet
is
not
really
creating
any
buffer
in
relationship
to
the
neighbor.
Next
to
it
and
on
south
side,
we
have
requesting
a
reduction
of
a
foot.
A
G
K
E
G
G
N
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
on
page
69
of
the
Salt
Lake
design,
element
published
I
think
in
ninety
are
adopted
in
1999.
Pardon
me.
It
states
that
a
landscape
buffer
is
meant
to
mitigate
the
negative
impact
of
neighboring
sites,
and
the
important
thing
to
notice
here
is
that
our
neighboring
site
is
a
parking
lot
to
the
north,
and
our
neighboring
site
is
a
warehouse
to
the
south.
E
I
think
they
are
best
some
of
the
better
mid-level
projects
and
I.
You
know
and
I
feel
it.
You
know
we're
kind
of
like
I
just
feel
like
this
feels
like
a
weird
project
to
put
there's
a
fit
like
it
wasn't
what
the
Gateway
was
envisioned
now.
All
that
said
like,
given
its
context,
was
located
between
the
train
tracks
and
the
railroads
is
not
like
a
lot.
E
That's
really
happening
to
the
west
or
north
of
the
project,
and
some
of
these
sort
of
values
of
walkable
lively
may
or
may
not
apply
as
I'm
tempted,
not
to
not
to
approve
the
landscape
and
follow
most
of
staff's
recommendations,
but
I'm.
Also
like
it's
one
about
like
don't
watch
I
so
I
said
my
piece.
We
can
move
on
just.
K
K
Q
F
E
A
M
K
I
can
I
just
make
one
comment
before
we
do
that
the
the
applicant
is
required
to
provide
497
square
feet
of
interior
parking
lot
landscaping
if
they
do,
as
I
suggested
on
that.
Just
that
one
part
excuse
me
and
they
provide
380,
which
is
109
17
square
feet
of
difference.
If
they
do
what
I
just
asked
them
to
do
in
moving
the
parking
spaces
in,
they
will
have
a
hundred
and
ninety
two
extra
spaces.
So
we
do
not
need
to
forgive
them
for
the
part
for
their
landscaping.
K
F
K
K
E
E
I'm
gonna
split
the
landscape
reductions
and
the
rest
of
it
apart.
Real
quick
I
think
that's
one
way
to
move
at
least
part
that
forward,
so
staff
recommends
Planning
Commission
approve.
We
know,
based
on
the
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report
and
planning
staff
recommendations.
The
Planning
Commission
approve
Commission
on
building
a
site
design
review
for
the
requested
modifications
at
GM.
You,
urban
design
provisions
related
exterior
material
requirements.
E
E
C
B
E
J
A
J
E
A
A
E
K
K
So
let
me
tell
you
what
I
want
to
do
and
then
we
can
figure
out
the
words
to
do
it,
which
is
that
I
I
don't
think
we
need
to
speak
to
parking
lot
landscape
with
a
we're,
not
we're
denying
them
the
parking
lot
landscaping
reduction
because
they
don't
need
it
and
number
two.
What
about
the
side,
yard,
setback
or
side
yard
landscaping?
Is
that
part
of
the
parking
lot
landscaping
is
separate.
O
F
K
M
It's
it's
perimeter
and
interior
parking
lot
landscaping
and
then
separately
is
perimeter
site
landscaping
buffering
when
we've
already
addressed
the
perimeter
site,
landscaping
requirements
through
our
first
motion.
I.
Think
all
we're
dealing
with
right
now
is
what
to
do
with
the
interior,
the
interior
parking
landscaping,
the
requested
reduction
and
staffs
recommendation
to
deny
the
requested
reduction
right.
M
J
F
E
N
If
you
guys
don't
approve
to
landscaping
reduction,
we
will
lose
parking
stalls.
If
we
squeeze
the
parking
the
way
a
Commissioner
Shearer
suggested,
we
won't
lose
any
stalls
that
will
pick
up
an
additional
three
hundred
some-odd
feet
of
landscaping.
So
I
think
maybe
the
move
is
to
approve
it
with
the
conditions
of
squeezing
the
parking
/.
Commissioner,
sheers
suggestions
and
Planning
Commission.
Q
K
K
B
The
thing
that
I'm
struggling
with,
however,
is
I.
It's
for
my
understanding,
a
finding
would
come
from
your
interpretation
of
the
standard
and
when
you
were
talking
about
numbers
here,
it's
hard
to
have
a
different
interpretation
of
the
standard.
There's
no
I
don't
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
leeway
and
what
the
standard
has
there
I
mean
it's
for
perimeter
parking
lot
it's.
It
must
be
seven
feet
as
measured
from
the
back
of
the
lot
of
the
curb
and
have
one
shade
tree
for
every
30
feet,
one
shrub
for
three
feet.
B
H
H
G
Want
to
add
to
what
he
was
saying,
the
parking
lot
landscaping
is
separate
from
the
landscaping,
that's
required
for
the
whole
site
and
he
I
think
in
that
statement
he
bulked
those
together
not
to
confuse
everyone
even
more,
but
there
there
are
two
different
things
and
two
different
requirements.
It's.
M
G
G
Though
the
over,
if
they
were
held
to
that
strict
standard,
it
would
be
six
thousand
six
hundred
square
feet
of
public
space
due
to
the
amount
of
building
floor
area,
so
that
applies
to
building
that
applies
to
developments
that
are
over
I.
Think
it's
sixty
thousand
square
feet.
Yep!
That's
right!
A
gross
floor
area
of
60,000
square
feet.
K
G
M
B
Q
K
K
C
L
It's
PLM
PCM
2018,
0,
0,
4,
6
8,
it's
for
the
fern
subdivision,
a
like
vacation,
it's
an
elevator,
it's
an
alley
that
is
located
around
1600
South
in
between
wood
Avenue,
in
that
Logan
Avenue
and
in
between
1000
and
1100
East.
The
reason
for
the
request
is
that
basically,
the
alley
no
longer
exists
there
and
I
do
have
all
but
two
of
the
Jason
applicant
signatures,
and
that
was
part
of
the
application.
That's
also
in
your
staff
reports.
L
This
is
the
this
is
basically
the
conditions
that
are
there
right
now,
as
you
can
see,
most
of
the
alley
has
been
incorporated
as
backyards
or,
as
you
know,
like
it
driveways
and
that
type
of
stuff
there's
a
lot
of
encroached
rents
with
fences,
a
couple
of
like
detached
garages
or
accessory
buildings,
and
that
type
of
thing
so
just
to
kind
of
clarify.
That's
where
that
Ali's
supposed
to
be
right
there.
So
it's
in
between
1019,
East
and
1053
East
Logan.
L
L
This
is
also
the
original
subdivision
from
1906
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
all
the
addresses
between
10:19
East
and
1053,
East,
Logan,
Avenue
and
and
then
the
addresses
between
our
I'm
sorry
1595
in
1615,
South,
1,000
yeast,
then
northern
most
northern
western
arm
of
that
alley
has
already
been
vacated
that
was
in
vacated
in
2000.
So
it's
no
longer
it's
not
part
of
this
ally
vacate
so
proceeding
from
there.
L
This
is
the
applicants
driveway.
Basically,
her
driveway
is
the
he
west
arm
of
the
alley,
and
this
portion
of
it
would
technically
the
way
we
would
subdivided
is
that
we,
the
the
the
alley,
goes.
It
gets
divided
at
half
and
half
with
their
neighbor
on
1615
and
then
her
in
them
with
her
with
ten
nineteen
East
Logan
Avenue
so
and
her
portion
of
that
arm
is
only
the
Lord
lower
half
of
that
alley
or
the
southern
half
of
that
alley.
The
northern
half
of
that
alley
is
the
neighbor's
backyard
at
1095
in
1097.
L
L
L
L
M
L
M
D
D
L
L
So
we're
going
to
our
standards
rally
vacate
the
it's
lack
of
use,
Public,
Safety,
urban
design
and
community
purpose
we're
going
to
base
it
on
lack
of
use
because
there's
basically
no
alley
there.
It
could
also
meet
some
of
the
other
requirements
as
well,
so
staff
is
recommending
a
positive
or
is
Steph
if
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
towards
a
positive
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
for
the
fern
subdivision
alley:
vacation,
okay,.
A
C
J
Your
master
is
not
making
it
complex.
So
in
one
of
your
letters
Tana,
you
had
mentioned
that
you
know
serving
the
rest
of
the
alley,
was
cost
prohibited
and
because
one
of
your
neighbors
was
concerned
about
maybe
having
to
move
their
garage,
so
I'm
generally
opposed
to
Ali
vacations,
but
you
know
you're
not
responsible
for
encroachments
onto
public
way
when
you
inherit
them
I'm
wondering,
then
how
are
you
because
so
there's
a
rule
of
the
subdivision,
so
this
Ali
vacation,
the
what's
behind,
would
go
to
just
those
houses
that
are
did
a
designated.
C
G
C
J
L
J
Q
J
Q
Q
Q
A
A
C
Bloom
10:53
loeben,
when
I
moved
into
my
home
I,
wasn't
aware
there
was
an
alley
there.
In
fact,
I
had
a
garage
built
on
the
area
that
is
part
of
the
alley,
and
I
came
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
and
got
a
permit
to
do
so,
and
they
didn't
even
look
at.
It
was
never
told
Nell
existed
until
maybe
ten
years
back
and
by
then
it
was
too
late.
There
was
already
a
building
there.
A
M
I'll
make
a
motion
based
on
the
findings
and
analysis
and
the
staff
report.
Testimony
and
discussion
of
the
public
hearing
I
move
that
the
Planning
Commission
transmit
a
positive
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
for
the
furn
subdivision,
Ally
vacation
file,
PLN
PCN
2018,
zero,
zero,
four,
six,
eight
for
the
reasons
listed
in
the
staff
report.
A
second.
A
A
S
Right,
so
this
is
a
conditional
building
in
site
design,
review
request
for
property
at
2188,
South,
Highland
Drive.
It's
a
design
review
request
for
an
eight
story:
a
five
foot
tall,
approximately
mixed-use,
building
with
ground-floor
retail
and
residential
on
the
upper
levels.
Buildings
over
50
feet
in
the
sugarhouse
zone
1
zone
require
the
CBS
dr
conditional
building
and
site
design
review
process.
S
So
that's
what
triggered
them
into
this
process
as
part
of
the
conditional
building
site
design
review,
we
look
at
the
conditional
building
and
site
design
standards,
the
sugarhouse
business
district
design,
guidelines
handbook
and
the
sugarhouse
circulation
and
amenities
plan.
As
part
of
this
CB
SDR.
They
are
requesting
modification
to
step,
backs
on
Highland
Drive
on
the
facade
and
I'll
get
to
those
in
a
couple.
Slides
and
just
a
front
staff
is
recommending
approval
with
some
conditions
so
just
quickly.
This
is
a
sight
view
of
the
property.
S
S
So,
as
part
of
the
CB
SDR
review,
most
of
the
standards
are
related
to
pedestrian
orientation.
Architectural
visual
interest
generally
found
that
the
building
meets
the
standards
of
review.
It
has
a
high
level
of
ground-level
engagement
for
pedestrians.
It
also
uses
high
quality,
building
materials,
hash
shadow
and
depth
on
the
facade
and
has
high
level
of
transparency
that
provides
even
more
visual
interest.
S
It's
part
of
review
again.
We
also
look
at
the
sea
aged
sugar
house
business
district
design
guidelines.
Those
generally
have
to
do
with
building
ground
floor
engagement,
streetscape
improvements,
there's
actually
a
hundred
and
fifteen
different
guidelines.
We
found
that
generally,
the
ones
that
are
applicable
at
this
project.
They
were
meeting
also.
We
looked
at
the
circulation
amenities
plan
that
deals
with
streetscape
improvements
and
circulation,
improvements
such
as
alleys
and
driveways
that
break
up
some
of
the
blocks
and
took
her
house,
and
we
also
found
that
they
meet
met
those
as
well.
S
So
these
are
the
requested
modifications
that
the
developers
looking
for
they
requested
a
zero
foot
step
back
on
the
upper
level
of
the
north
east
portion
of
the
building.
That's
highlighted
in
yellow
on
the
right
side.
Generally.
Staff
is
supportive
of
this
modification,
as
it
will
draw
people's
attention
there
down
Highland
Drive
down
into
the
alley.
S
S
So
with
that
we
are
recommending
approval
with
conditions
generally.
The
first
condition
has
to
do
with
final
streetscape
landscape
sign
details.
Be
delegated
to
staff
that
includes
a
wayfinding
sign
requirement
as
the
sugarhouse
business
district
design.
Guidelines
generally
call
for
a
wayfinding
go
ahead,
so.
J
J
S
The
other
second
condition
has
to
do
with
the
step-back
approval
on
the
south
east
portion
of
the
building,
as
the
final
step
dimensions
are
going
to
depend
on
fire
codes.
Final
decision
on
that
and
the
third
one
has
to
do
with
alleyway
improvements
within
the
adjacent
property
owner.
It's
just
a
standard
call
out
that
any
improvements
on
the
adjacent
property
owner
are
subject
to
that
owners
approval
so
with
that
I
can
take
any
questions
and
I'll
generally
leave
it
to
the
applicant
to
precess.
S
J
J
S
S
E
Originally
we
and
I
think
I
mean
the
site
has
changed
since
I
think.
The
first
thing
was
that
hospital
idea
and
then
other
people
were
like
hey
I'll,
take
you
and
they
moved
him
up,
but
originally
idea
was
to
have
like
the
street
kind
of
flow
through
and
then
flow
through
that
kind
of
arc
way
on
that
building.
Do
you
feel,
like
this
site
plan
still
is
accomplishing
that
goal
that
they
were?
We
were
doing.
We
were
here
last
time.
Yes,.
S
E
J
Actually,
I
do
so
you're
calling
that
a
driveway
which
I
call
it
a
road
reconnecting
Elm
in
Wilmington
and
refresh
my
memory,
because
it's
private,
but
yet
it's
gonna
be
open
to
the
public.
Is
there
an
easement,
that's
being
recorded
on
there
or
has
been
or
will
be,
or
can
they
just
shut
that
down
if
they
feel
like
it,
the
to
property
owners
if
they
work
together,
they.
S
J
S
S
J
E
I
Daniel,
thank
you
for
your
time
for
working
through
this
project
with
us.
Obviously,
it's
a
good-sized
project
in
the
heart
of
sugarhouse.
So
we're
excited
to
be
here
talking
about
this,
but
just
by
way
of
introduction,
my
name
is
Ben
Lowe
with
LowE
Property
Group
and
lo
Property
Group
in
combination
with
8
Bay
Advisors
are
the
the
developers
of
the
site?
Well,
I
guess
introduce
yourselves
I'm.
I
I
So
just
you
know:
high-level
we're
looking
at
17,000
over
17,000
square
feet
of
retail
space
on
this
building
and
186
apartment
units
total
of
eight
stories
on
the
building,
gonna
kind
of
move
through
quickly.
So
we
want
to
highlight
a
few
things
that
really
I
think
the
sugarhouse
guidelines
call
for
one
of
them
is
related
to
connectivity,
so
how
we're
connecting
different
spaces
in
the
community?
I
We
think
this
side
is
an
important
site
for
the
connectivity
in
sugarhouse,
because
we've
got
the
s-line
in
Fairmont
Park
to
the
west
and
in
fact,
at
sugar
mod
there
was
a
requirement
that
there
be
basically
a
gap
in
their
building
to
provide
access
to
that.
We
felt
like
what
we
were
doing
here
was
important
to
provide
that
same
connectivity.
She
could
get
out
Highland,
Drive
and
go
east,
so
you
see
the
areas
in
yellow
and
these
are
all
spaces
that
create
this
connectivity.
I
Obviously,
on
the
bottom,
you
have
the
the
roadway
that
will
be
opened,
the
public
we
have
the
drives
into
the
building.
You
know
through
what
there's
there's
a
number
of
drives
off
of
that
road,
that
in
our
building,
as
well
as
in
the
sugar
montz
building,
so
it
needs
to
be
open
for
residents
to
even
get
into
there
into
the
garage
and
as.
P
I
So
that's
obviously
one
passage
of
where
people
can
come
and
there's
a
sidewalk
along
there,
but
I
think
on
the
other
side,
we're
even
more
excited
about
sugar
alley
which
we're
calling
it
right
now,
there's
a
rohde,
that's
kind
of
falling
apart
running
up
that,
and
so
we've
proposed
to
close
that
off
and
make
it
a
true
pedestrian
retail
type
of
street
right
now,
the
view
our
neighboring
partner
has
retail
all
along
its
building.
That's
struggling
quite
a
bit
because
it's
setback
off
of
Highland
Drive.
I
We
think
if
we
match
the
retail
on
the
other
side
and
put
pavers
down
and
make
it
a
world-class
experience,
it's
going
to
make
it
a
spot
that
can
draw
and,
along
with
that,
it
provides
the
connectivity
and
the
city
has
a
hawk
light
planned
basically
to
cross
the
street
to
the
whole
foods
that
would
MIT
would
match
up
with
this
alley.
So
it's
kind
of
fits
perfectly
with
kind
of
the
pedestrian
access.
So.
J
I
want
to
interrupt
you
while
we're
in
that
space.
How
is
somebody
going
to
access
from
the
new
driveway
coming
from
McClelland
to
the
underground
parking
of
the
view?
That's
located
like
right
now,
Jason
to
the
paw
by
paw
dog
store,
so
they
have
the
underground,
so
they
have
like
their
their
connection
to
the
paseo,
which
somebody
almost
ran
me
over
the
other
day
as
I
was
walking
my
dog
and
then
realized
it
wasn't
a
through
Street
and
backed
all
the
way
out,
but
there
is
that
underground
parking
access
via
that
sugar
alley.
J
J
I
That's
the
access,
so
that
is
still
that
is
on
the
road
that
we
have
now
built.
So
it
has
direct
access
to
the
road.
So
now
you'll,
just
you'll
now
you'll
come
down
Wilmington.
If
you're
coming
from
Highland
you'll
come
down,
Wilmington
TURN
RIGHT
and
you
can
go
in
there,
but
that
and
grow.
It
also
connects
out
to
McClellan
Street.
So
you
can
just
come
in
the
clown
Street
the
same
way.
You
do
right
now
so.
J
Are
you
going
to
be
connecting
to
the
which
is
now
just
like
regular
concrete,
so
we
got
the
road
that's
falling
apart,
you're
going
to
take
that
out.
Are
you
going
to
be
working
with
the
owner
of
the
view
to
make
of
that
whole
areas,
something
a
different
material?
That's
like
this
is
you
know
for
pedestrians,
because,
yes,.
I
That's
our
intent.
We've
gotten
full
confirmation
from
the
neighbor
that
they
want
to
do
this
so
they're
excited
about.
We
flew
out
and
met
with
them
and
they're
excited
about
it.
Obviously,
until
they
sign
the
dotted
line,
you
know
and
we're
doing
it.
We
don't
know
for
sure,
but
that's
that's
our
plan
and
what
we're
what
we're
planning
and
thanks
yeah
anyway,
on
the
west
side
also
that
Street,
we
also
have
plaza
area
on
the
on
the
west
side
up
next
to
Sugar
Monts
property.
I
So
here's
just
a
couple
of
shots
of
what
we
intend
that
alley
to
look
like.
So
this
gives
a
little
bit
of
feel
these
are
renderings
based
on
the
construction
drawings.
So
we
think
we
really
have
the
opportunity
to
create
a
world-class
pedestrian
street
and
access
I'm,
gonna
kind
of
keep
moving
through
here,
cuz
I
know
at
times
tight.
One
of
the
focal
points
of
this
project
is
on
Highland
Drive
or
creating
a
glass
atrium
in
the
sugarhouse
community
guide,
light
design
guidelines.
I
We
have
retailers
planned
on
each
side
of
the
atrium,
so
those
retailers
can
spill
in
and
it's
intended
to
be
open
to
the
public
during
the
business
hours
of
the
retailers,
so
the
whole
community
can
come
enjoy
it
and
it
becomes
a
plaza
space
that
actually
is
a
warm
and
inviting
year-round
instead
of
for
just
a
few
months
of
the
year.
So
we're
really
excited
about
about
that
particular
feature.
I
Obviously,
we've
talked
about
the
retail.
We
have
over
17,000
square
feet
of
retail,
obviously
all
along
Highland
Drive,
it's
it's
either
retail
o
or
the
atrium
that's
open
to
the
public
or
along
sugar
alley.
We
also
have
have
retail,
and
so
we're
excited
about
that
retail
space
and
there's
outdoor
seating
along
all
of
that
retail
as
well.
How.
J
I
have
a
question
about
that
set
back
on
the
sugar
alley
section:
does
the
ordinance
as
a
setback
requirement
only
for
the
Highland
Drive
and
not
for
anything
along
sugar
alley,
so
you're
just
asking
for
relief
from
that
Highland
Drive
and
then
there's
nothing
that
says
you
need
a
setback
along
sugar
alley
correct!
Yes,.
I
P
Think
one
of
the
exciting
things
about
this
project
is
just
we
s.
We
are
activating
the
ground
floor
with
retail,
but
we're
doing
it
in
several
different
fashions
sugar
alley
is
gonna
have
a
really
special
kind
of
moment.
Like
Amy,
you
were
mentioning
we
will
be
doing
enhanced
pavers
and
there
is
kind
of
the
intent
and
really
playing
that
up
as
what
was
initially
looked
at
as
almost
kind
of
a
b-side
to
the
building.
P
J
J
I
This
is
our
last
slide,
but
just
you
know,
the
private
drive
is
actually
now
completed,
we're
just
doing
punch
list
items,
but
the
the
traffic
signal,
the
four-way
traffic
signal
is
now
installed
and
working
and
mr.
Eicke,
we
did
upgrade
it
from
the
original
plan.
Just
you
know
to
concrete,
because
we
just
thought
it'd
look
nicer
and
McLelland
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
is
concrete.
We
want
to
continue
the
nicer
look.
We
also
did
the
enhanced
crosswalk
pavers
that
you
can't
see
in
the
pictures
here
but
crossing
the
alley.
I
So
we,
you
know
I,
think
it's
just
speaking
to
kind
of
the
direction
we're
planning
to
take
this
whole
project
of
a
very
high-end,
a
community.
The
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out.
That's
not
in
these
slides
is
just
on
the
request
on
the
relief
on
the
setback
on
the
eye,
I
guess
northeast
corner.
Where
the
sugar
alley
intersects
with
Highland
Drive
you'll,
see
there.
I
You
can
see,
there's
a
plaza
area
where
we're
not
setting
back
the
building
up
above
and
the
reason
is,
is
because
we
decide
to
do
a
ground
level
plaza
there.
So
well,
we
have.
The
atrium
is
an
indoor
public
space.
We
have
a
large
plaza
on
the
corner
of
the
building
on
Highland,
Drive
and
sugar
alley
that
kind
of
welcomes
people
into
sugar
alley
and
it's
actually
covered
Plaza.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
lifted
kind
of
at
the
bottom
floor
of
the
building
up,
and
so
it's
covered.
I
So
if
it's
raining,
people
can
be
sitting
out
on
that
deck
there,
and
originally
we
have
the
setback
above
and
the
plaza,
and
it
was
this
like
wimpy
little
piece
that
stuck
out
in
the
middle
and
was
really
strange.
So,
rather
than
setting
back
up
above,
we
set
back
down
below
where
the
public
can
use
it,
and
that
was
really
the
intent
of
of
that
change.
I
P
Other
comment:
the
question
came
up
earlier
about
wayfinding
signage
and
having
some
consistency
within
the
the
neighborhood.
We've
been
working
with
the
community
council
on
the
wayfinding
signs
and
actually
proposed
sort
of
some
standards
of
what
we
could
potentially
do
and
have
reached
out
to
some
of
the
local
developers,
including
those
of
the
Shopko
site
and
sent
those
to
them.
And
so
our
hope
is
that
we
would
go
and
start
implementing
that
we'd
love
to
have
something.
That's
actually
codified.
That
can
be
consistent
within
the
the
sugarhouse
just.
I
J
So
I
deserve
some
comments.
Instance,
some,
like
logistical
questions
when
I
think
the
ground
level
of
this
is
infinitely
better
than
any
of
the
other
two
iterations
that
came
before
so
kudos
to
that
it
does
look
so
much
better
one
of
the
other
architectural
we're
just
like
amenity
things
said
that
seem
to
define
the
business,
especially
the
old
business
district
in
sugarhouse
are
the
use
of
those
awnings
and
so
totally,
and
you
have
them
on,
looks
like
sugar
alley.
J
You
have
them
in
the
rendering
and
I
would
just
really
encourage
you
to
to
incorporate
that,
because
it's
not
only
brick.
The
awnings
are
you'll,
see
those.
If
you
go
on
the
north
side
of
21st,
south
you'll
still
see
all
the
old
awnings
and
some
of
them
haven't
replaced
some
of
them
haven't,
but
that
was
another.
That's
another
feel
to
kind
of
incorporate
into
that
sugar
house,
design
and
and.
J
J
So
I
like
that
coloring
making
them
some
colors
would
be
also
cool.
I
mean
that's
another.
It's
not
so
sugar
house
isn't
just
about
the
brick
like
there's
all
these
other
components
to
making
it
feel,
but
I
personally,
really
like
the
the
ground
level,
retail
at
you've
done
and
I
think
I'm,
creating
that
sugar
alley
that
space
has
always
been
a
vision
to
make
that
pedestrian
and
so
I
think
this
is
really
good
and
I
I
can
see
and
I
can
understand.
J
They
reduction
in
this
setback
to
create
that
kind
of
little
covered,
plaza
area
and
I
think
and
need
space
in
addition
to
what's
gonna
happen
there
and
so
I
personally,
think
that
that's
a
good
addition
design-wise
to
that
allocation.
So
my
logistic
question
is
this
driveway,
giving
it
a
name?
Is
it
going
to
be
one
of
Elm,
Street
or
well?
Meetin's,
Avenue
I'll,.
J
I
J
I
Yes,
it
will
be
open,
we
need
to
provide
access
to
our
neighboring
property
owners,
and
so
that's
an
important
thing.
So
staging
is
always
a
challenge
on
these
podium
deck
buildings.
I
mean
it's.
It's
very
common,
though
we're
building
into
urban
spaces.
You
know
all
around
the
country
and
including
in
Salt
Lake,
and
so
it
takes
a
contractor,
knows
what
they're
doing,
but,
typically,
what
will
happen
is
you'll
build
at
the
podium
deck
and
then
you'll
actually
stage
on
your
podium
deck.
I
Put
your
crane
on
your
podium
deck,
and
that's
where
you
stage
out
of
is
that
is
the
general
intent,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
also
a
just-in-time
delivery
for
a
site
like
this
I
mean
that's
just
kind
of
the
way
it
works
on
these
urban
sites
is
literally,
you
know
you
bring
a
truss
as
you
need
the
truss.
Instead
of
trying
to
do
a
big
yard,
it's
just
kind
of
not
the
reality
in
these
urban
centers.
So.
I
I
J
B
Forgive
me
if
this
question
has
already
been
addressed
but
and
I
wasn't
on
the
Commission,
when
the
your
neighbouring
partner
to
the
South
and
West
was
built
or
approved,
but
you
talked
about
the
walkway,
the
pedestrian
way,
where
that
the
building
is
parted
for
people
to
walk
over
to
the
s-line,
to
incorporate
all
that.
What's
the
pedestrian
experience
to
that
I
had
it,
how
do
you
then
encourage
people
that
once
they've
walked
through
that
pedestrian
brick
area
to
understand
where
they're,
at
and
and
how
to
get
around
to
the
front?
B
I
So
no
that's
a
good
question.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
you
know
just
this,
this
slide,
for
example,
so
there's
a
plaza
area
on
the
west
side.
So
you
see
where
the
road
curves
around
it
starts
to
head
north
there's
about
a
20
foot.
You
know
Plaza
there
and
that's
the
pedestrian
experience.
So
basically
what
happens?
Is
you
come
down?
Sugar
alley
will
have
a
crosswalk
from
sugar
alley
to
the
plaza,
and
then
you
walk
down
the
plaza
to
the
opening
between
their
building.
I
B
I
I
D
The
hawk
light
is
at
sugar
alley
and
they
bolt
across
the
street
because
there's
no
they're
there
and
I
think
this
will
finished
that
off
and
make
make
it
someplace
that
people
want
to
actually
walk
and
that's
what
sugar
house
is
all
about
is
the
walking
they've
also
done
a
great
job
with
quality
design
and
the
finishes
on
the
building,
and
they
tell
us
that
this
will
be
the
classiest
place.
The
classiest
apartment
building
we'll
have
to
see
because
the
others
that
have
been
built
are
pretty
nice.
D
D
D
So
if
you,
if
you
do
the
math
and
they
have
a
hundred
and
eighty
six
apartments,
two
hundred
and
eighty-six
parking
stalls
that
leaves
one
per
apartment
and
a
hundred
stalls,
so
we're
really
not
getting
any
extra
retail
parking
and
they're
adding
17,000
square
feet,
which
I'm
sure
is
way
more
than
what
we
had
before
so
I'm.
Just
pointing
that
out
once
again,
I
think
we
still
have
a
shortage.
D
We're
also
increasingly
receiving
comments
about
three
bedroom
apartments.
Nothing
is
being
built
with
a
three
bedroom
apartment
in
the
core
of
sugar
house.
So
we'd
like
to
encourage
these
guys,
maybe
to
see
if
there's
a
place
they
can
put
some
of
those
in
here.
We
have
some
families
that
would
really
like
to
stay
and
they
want
to
be
in
the
urban
core,
not
out
in
the
neighborhoods
of
sugar
house
we're
also
dismayed.
There
are
no
affordable
units
of
a
thousand
units
approved
in
sugarhouse.
Only
60
are
affordable.
D
D
Now
the
sign
package
that
these
guys
are
talking
about
an
Amy
asked
about
is
I
think
well
on
its
way.
I've
talked
with
most
of
the
developers
or
the
developers
have
talked
with
each
other,
and
everybody
seems
to
be
on
the
same
page
that
the
key
thing
that
will
help
find
sugarhouse
together
our
sign.
So
when
you
come
through
that
walk
away
from
the
streetcar
and
you're
on
their
little
plaza,
it's
like.
Where
am
I
well?
D
If
that
there's
a
sign
that
says
sugarhouse
park
this
way
or
library,
this
way
or
sugar
alley
this
way,
I
think
if
we
start
to
build
that,
then
people
will
know
like
Amy
signs
of
some
years
back
15
minutes
to
sugarhouse
Park
from
this
corner
and
an
arrow.
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
we're
going
to
build
with
that
side,
package
and
I
think
if
we
all
work
together,
it'll
be
pretty
cool.
Q
This
is
intimidating.
My
name
is
Landon
Clarke
and
I'm,
chair
of
the
sugarhouse
Community
Council
I'm,
just
here
to
kind
of
reiterate
what
Judy
Schwartz
said
about
working
with
these
guys
and
their
Community
Engagement
because
of
the
explosion
of
growth
in
sugarhouse.
We
have
seen
our
fair
share
of
development
and,
as
a
group
or
appreciative
when
a
developer
is
a
pleasure
to
work
with
these
guys
reached
out
early
in
the
process
with
Judy
and
me
they
have
been
onto
several
land
use
and
zoning
committee
meetings
and
community
council
meetings.
Q
A
E
The
last
project
was
here
for
this
site.
There
was
this
conversation
about
stepping
the
row
along
Highland
and
it
just
hasn't
been
part
of
our
conversation
today
and
I.
Don't
know
if
I
really
remember
the
details
of
why
we
talked
about
stepping
if
it
was
a
design
guideline
or
one
of
the
crazy
whims
of
this
body.
But
do
you
remember
this.
E
S
A
S
All
right,
so
if
this
is
a
city
initiated
petition
for
changes
to
the
sugarhouse
business
district
zone,
this
zone
includes
the
sugarhouse
business
district,
one
zone
and
the
sugarhouse
business
district
two
zone.
The
primary
goals
of
this
are
to
add
additional
design
standards
for
these
zones
and
to
add
additional
streetscape
standards
and,
additionally,
to
impose
an
additional
ground-floor
use
restriction
on
dwelling
units
facing
1,100,
East
and
21st
South.
The
intent
of
this
proposal
is
to
bridge
the
regulation
gap
between
large
and
small
developments.
S
S
Okay,
so
just
for
context,
this
is
the
sugarhouse
business
district
zone.
Was
this
business
district
one
zone
is
in
yellow
and
that
developed
that
allows
the
development
up
to
105
feet.
The
pink
areas
are
the
sugarhouse
business
district
two
zone
and
those
allow
development
up
to
sixty
feet
in
height.
So
there's
different
scales
allowed
in
the
sugar
house
is
this
district
area.
S
So
part
of
the
issue
that
brought
this
petition
forward
is
that
small
scale
developments
that
are
under
the
threshold
established
in
the
sugar
house
business
district
zone
for
conditional
building
and
site
design
have
very
few
standards
that
they
need
to
comply
with
I'm
a
developer
can
just
come
in
and
get
potentially
do.
40
percent
glass
include
one
entry
on
their
street
facing
facade
and
get
a
building
permit.
S
So
there's
very
few
stanton
design
standards
that
they'd
have
to
comply
with,
whereas
with
a
large
scale
development
they
have
to
go
through
the
whole
conditional
building
site
design
review
process
with
all
of
its
standards.
They
also
have
to
comply
with
the
design
guidelines
that
are
on
the
sugarhouse
master
plan,
including
the
circulation
and
amenities
and
streetscape
amenities
plan,
and
they
have
to
comply
with
any
design
with
design
standards,
which
would
essentially
right
now
just
be
40%
glass
and
an
entrance
on
the
facade
street
facing
facade
like.
S
By
height,
and
also
by
square
footage,
so
any
building
in
sugarhouse
is
over
twenty
thousand
square
feet
in
area
has
to
go
through
this
process
or
a
large-scale
yeah
and
then
for
the
sugarhouse
business
district
to
zone.
Anything
over
30
feet
in
height
has
to
go
through
the
process
regardless
of
size
yeah.
So
it's
kind
of
a
combination
of
two
and
then
in
sugarhouse
business
district,
one
zone,
anything
over
fifty
feet
in
height.
Essentially,
the
square
footage
ends
up
triggering
the
process
either
way.
S
So
the
additional
design
standards
that
we'd
be
proposing
are
similar
to
what's
called
for
in
the
TSA
zones,
and
what
has
it's
currently
proposed
for
the
D
to
downtown
zone?
These
have
to
do
with
ground
floor
use.
Minimums
so
you'd
have
to
have
80%
of
the
facade
on
the
street.
Face
would
have
to
have
some
sort
of
use
on
the
ground
floor.
It
would
have
to
have
a
25
foot
depth
and
the
det
provision
is
to
prevent
these
spaces
from
just
becoming
hallways
or
really
is
too
small
to
be
usable
spaces.
K
S
So
the
high
quality
building
material,
minims
80%
ground
floor
60%
upper
we'd
also
be
imposing
a
surface
area.
Surface
area.
Screening
requirements
of
loading
docks
would
have
to
be
screened
or
behind
the
building
building
entrance
spacing.
Originally.
We
came
in
in
December
for
briefing
and
we
had
a
30
foot
spacing
requirement.
We
ended
up
going
with
a
40
40
foot
spacing
requirement
as
it
seemed
more
realistic
based
on
the
projects
that
have
been
approved
in
sugarhouse
maximum
facade
length,
we'd
be
imposing
a
300
foot
standard.
S
So
generally,
all
of
these
requirements
required
when
a
projects
going
through
a
design
review
process,
so
any
large
buildings
would
have
to
essentially
comply
with
these,
but
by
putting
these
into
the
zoning
code
itself
on
they'd
be
required
for
all
buildings,
large
or
small.
So
the
additional
key
proposal
in
this
is
a
zoning
use
restriction
and
that
would
be
related
to
ground
floor
uses.
It
would
restrict
the
ground
floor
from
being
used
for
dwelling
units
individual
residential
dwelling
units.
S
J
S
So
the
other
component
of
this
are
the
streetscape
standards,
so
any
development
would
have
to
install
sugarhouse
style
street
lighting.
They'd
have
to
install
wider
sidewalks.
The
requirement
would
be
a
minimum
of
six
feet
in
the
sugarhouse
business
district
to
zone,
which
is
the
lower
intensity
zone
and
eight
feet
in
the
higher
intensity
zone.
S
We're
also
imposing
a
requirement
for
brick
or
pavers
to
make
up
10%
of
sidewalks.
This
was
brought
up
by
the
sugarhouse
Community
Council,
and
it
actually
is
called
for
in
the
circulation
plan
that
the
sidewalks
have
that,
at
least
between
five
to
fifteen
percent,
brick
incorporated
into
the
sidewalks
you've
seen
that
in
the
plaza
spaces
in
some
of
the
other
areas
of
sugarhouse,
with
a
brick
pattern
incorporated
into
the
sidewalks.
S
This
proposal
would
also
clarify
that
street
trees
are
required.
That's
come
up
a
few
times
that
people
don't
think
that
the
street
trees
are
required
in
this
zone,
but
they
are
so
we're
making
that
more
clear
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
we're
putting
in
a
provision
to
allow
for
paved
parking,
SPARC
strips
in
some
circumstances
if
it
follows
the
circulation
and
streetscape
amenities
plan,
and
it
is
subject
to
planning
director
approval
so
and
again
with
the
other
standards.
S
M
S
Is
a
potential
yet
that
you
would
have
a
small
segment
six
feet
or
eight
feet
and
then
the
rest
five
feet.
Yeah
the
minimum
standard
for
any
developments
in
a
commercial
district
is
six
feet.
So
it's
kind
of
a
base
standard.
If
someone's
cutting
into
the
park
strips,
they
would
have
to
end
up
putting
back
a
six-foot
sidewalk.
That
would
be
just
required
through
engineering
and
wouldn't
be
required
through
zoning.
E
S
E
E
J
S
K
S
S
One
other
component
of
this
is
the
science
to
science
standards
modifications.
We
are
proposing
an
increase
in
the
size
limit,
height
limit
for
eye
level,
wayfinding
signs,
the
current
requirement
for
allowance
for
those
signs
is
fairly
low
and
you
can't
make
them
eye
level,
so
we
be
increasing
that
to
the
seven-foot.
It's
all
and
again,
wayfinding
signs
are
generally
required
through
the
design
review
process.
S
So
the
the
Planning
Commission
discussions
in
December,
we
talked
about
sidewalk,
whit's,
building
lengths
door
spacing
so
just
quickly.
The
reason
for
the
sidewalk
with
proposal
is
that
it
follows
existing
city
subdivision
policies
that
impose
six
feet
in
commercial
areas
and
eight
feet
in
central
business
district
areas.
So
the
zoning
will
now
match
the
subdivision
policies
for
sidewalks.
S
It
does
align
with
the
sugarhouse
business
district
design,
guidelines
which
call
for
six
feet
in
lower
intensity
areas
and
eight
feet
in
the
higher
intensity
areas
in
sugarhouse,
and
it
is
within
the
ranges
of
the
National
Association
of
transportation
officials,
which
also
proposed
similar,
have
similar
ranges
for
the
recommendations.
The
building
length
limit.
The
reason
why
we
went
with
30
feet
300
feet
has:
it
has
been
the
standard
for
10
years
and
generally
has
worked
out
with
development.
We
think
and
getting
new
circulation
through
sugarhouse
the
30
feet.
S
Additionally,
buildings
under
this
link
generally
are
subject
to
the
design
review
process
anyway
because
of
the
square
footage
limitation.
So
if
there
are
some
concerns
that
we'll
end
up
with
monotonous
building
facades,
those
buildings
will
have
to
get
reviewed
by
this
body
anyway
for
visual
interest.
S
The
one
concern
is
that
the
lower
threshold
of
perhaps
200
feet
could
result
in
additional
unnecessary
paths.
It
may
not
link
up
with
other
paths
on
other
surrounding
developments
or
additional
modification
requests
from
people
going
through
the
process
door.
Spacing
again,
we
did
revise
from
40
feet
to
30
feet.
We
looked
at
the
average
spacing
of
new
buildings
in
sugarhouse
and
generally
the
average
has
been
about
45
feet
so
40
feet
does
reflect
a
more
realistic
expectation
for
door.
S
As
far
as
public
input
recent
more
recent
public
input
we
did
receive
concerns
from
a
developer
about
the
ground-floor
use
of
limitation,
especially
for
the
1,100
East
and
21st
South
restriction
on
residential
dwelling
units.
It
is
a
fact
mixed
use
can
be
more
financially
difficult
and
riskier
than
just
a
pure
residential
project,
especially
for
a
lower
scale
building.
S
S
J
S
I
think
you're,
saying:
okay,
I
see
what
I
see,
what
you're
being
what
you're
saying
now,
potentially
I
suppose
they
could
do
that
no
I
yeah!
We
have
now
looked
at
the
qualifier
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
start
it
at
five
at
the
five
foot
level
rather
than
down
below
I.
Don't
think!
We've
ever
seen
that,
except
maybe
on
that
project.
If
that's.
J
Pharmacies,
but
that
seems
to
be
the
trend
but
I,
but
I
do
think
one
of
the
impetus
when
I
was
really
involved
in
the
Community
Council
was
I
mean
we
wanted
this
design
because
there
was
so
much
there
was
like
hey.
This
was
the
intent
in
the
developer.
I
would
be
like
what
the
code
says.
We
don't
care
what
your
intent
is.
So
we
need
to.
J
J
M
M
J
S
J
Calculation
is
done
between
the
three
and
a
40%.
Glass
can
be
found
between
three
to
eight
feet,
but
if
there's
some
sort
of
qualifier
that
says,
like
you
can't
start
your
glass
above
four
foot,
I,
don't
know
it
is
the
intent.
Let
me
ask
you:
is
the
intent
to
activate
pedestrian
experience
to
do
the
40%
glass
or
am
I
off
base
there?
No.
J
Don't
you
don't
need
to
be
so
like
it
has
to
be
this
this,
but
because,
right
now
it's
just
like
we
require
40%
class
and
I
think
there
there
there's
a
need
to
qualify
what
that
means
in
an
intent,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
translate
into
like
this.
Many
feet
in
inches
do
to
do
with
your
tape
measure.
But
you.
S
J
M
S
J
J
Needs
to
be
increased
I
think
you
just
need
to
add
some
clarifying
language
that
spills
out
with
the
intent
of
having
for
two
percent
class
mins,
so
that
then,
if
the
developer
is
like
well
I'm,
just
gonna
start
it
up
here
like
well,
that's
not
meeting
the
intent
of
activating
the
pedestrian
experience.
If
most
pedestrians,
who
are
not
as
tall
as
Weston,
can't
see
it,
then
you
have
not
achieved
the
intent
so
to.
E
E
It's
just
been
an
ongoing
concern
of
me
I'm,
and
you
said
that
you
know
the
problem
is
that
some
of
the
areas
with
my
developer,
you
know
they're
at
300
feet
where
we've
got
these
kind
of
breakup
areas,
and
that
means
there
might
end
up
with
weird
breaks.
That
was
your
argument.
Why
we
shouldn't?
Do
it
200
foot,
one
which
is
what
we
talked
about
before
and
so
more
if
he
just
kind
of
point
to
me
to
where
those
problems
would
occur
so.
S
E
Does
that
apply
to
these
two
because
we
talked
about
pretty
confined
part
of
town
I'll
be
honest,
like
I'm
I
voted
I
voted
for
it.
I
should
look
at
that
and
see,
but
I'm
really
disappointing
the
Sugar
Mountain
project-
it's
like
massive
I
mean
it
just
used
to
even
we
had
concerns
going
through
and
watching
it
kind
of
get
executed.
I
mean
it
is
just
it
is
overwhelming.
You
know,
and
it's
sort
of
scope
and
uni,
but
someone
was
design.
E
I
mean
granted
like
the
elements
are
not
on
it,
so
it
looks
more
like
old,
like
Soviet
project,
then
and
I.
Just
like
that's
just
like
weighing
you
know.
No,
it's
been
the
reason
why
you
know
we
objected
I
objected
before
and
why
it's
on
my
mind
as
we
review
this
again
so
I'm
kind
of
curious,
why
you
know
breaking
that
up
as
the
other
side
of
them
McClellan
kind
of
develops,
which
is
not
I,
was
sort
of
in
here.
S
E
E
B
S
B
To
that
point,
we've
done
project
I
mean
we
I,
remember
one
on
a
TSA
zone
or
we
where
the
barns
building
their
barns
bank
building
was
yes
and
and-
and
we
made
that
modification
at
the
end
and
I
think
you
know
I,
don't
think
limiting
the
facade
length-
and
maybe
it's
the
language
here,
but
to
200
feet
doesn't
necessarily
say
you
need
a
you
need
a
pedestrian
walkway,
but
it's
we
want
to
change
the
look
of
the
building
dramatically
so
that
it's
not
so
it's
broken
up.
So
it's
not
the
same.
S
This
but
then
you
have
in
the
design
standards
chapter.
If
you
impose
a
200
foot
long
length
building
length
limit,
there
is
a
requirement
that
you
then
have
a
20
foot
wide
space
between
the
end
of
your
building
at
any
subsequent
building
that
you're,
showing
on
your
proposal
with
a
5
foot
walkway
for
pedestrians
at
a
minimum.
So
it
does,
if
you
yeah,
so
you
it
does,
impose
an
additional
actual
break
in
the
building
that
you'd
be
modifying.
So
this
this
does
or.
S
E
S
You
could
ask
for
you
could
ask
for
modification.
Yes,
so
there's
no!
Currently
in
the
code,
it's
a
clear.
There
is
no
requirement
for
a
20-foot
wide
walkway
for
buildings
in
sugarhouse
after
you
hit
a
maximum
length.
The
building
this
would
be
imposing
that
at
300
feet.
You
could
impose
it
at
200
feet.
B
K
A
different
thought:
that's
a
very
different,
that's
a
different
idea
here,
a
300
foot,
long
facade,
it's
a
pretty
long,
facade
and
after
you're
I
mean
that's
a
half
a
block
here
or
to
a
mid
block
walkway.
You
know:
there's
there's
no
block
face
in
downtown.
That's
300
feet
long
without
a
break,
I,
don't
think.
K
Well,
3:30
is
half
of
a
Salt
Lake
City
block.
So
that's
what
makes
sense
you
know
if
you
take
out
so
I
actually
think
that
that
300
is
a
good
number
and
you
should
have
a
break.
There
should
be
some
kind
of
a
break
there,
but
I
think
it's
actually
more
important
that
those
breaks
align
with
whatever
the
circulation
plan
is
than
it
is
any
particular
length.
In
other
words,
if
there's
a
circulation
plan
that
says
here's
where
the
mid-block
walkways
sort
of
go,
then
that's
where
the
length
of
the
building
ought
to
end.
Then.
S
Do
that
it
would
yes,
so
any
building
that's
over
200
feet
would
have
to
go
through
the
design
review
process,
which
was
just
barely
adopted
by
the
city
and
there's
a
requirement
at
200
feet
that
building
has
to
be
reviewed
for
facade
interest
and
modulation.
Molly
remembers
more
details
from
that.
There's.
F
There's
three
things
that
you
have
to
include
for
a
building
that
has
a
combined
contiguous
building
length
of
more
than
200
feet.
Those
three
things
are
changes
in
vertical
plane,
so
breaks
in
the
facade,
material
changes
and
massing
changes.
So
you
know
you're
looking
for
that,
push-pull
yeah
type
of
thing,
that
is
in
the
denude
assign
review
ordinance
so
for
anything
over
200
feet
and
the
ID.
F
You
know
the
idea,
because
that's
going
to
apply
outside
of
your
house
business
district
you're
going
to
get
larger
buildings
throughout
the
city
that
are
more
than
200
feet,
they're,
going
through
the
design
review
process.
We
allow
that
building
to
be
longer
than
200
feet,
but
you've
got
to
do
these
three
things
so
that
you
don't
have
this
monotonous,
boring
experience
as
you're
moving
along
so.
K
F
So
the
new
design
review
ordinance
has
has
it
defines
two
paths.
One
of
those
paths
is
for
smaller
modifications.
Somebody
just
wants
to
modify
their
ground
floor
glass
that
can
be
approved.
Administrative
Lee
as
long
as
they're
meeting
the
applicable
standard,
but
for
any
height
request
for
there's
another
one
and
then
for
all.
You
know
in
sugarhouse,
where
the
trigger
is
already
written
into
the
zoning
code,
that
all
of
those
would
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission
and.
K
K
M
C
E
S
E
S
Not
sure,
but
if
there's
not
in
that
because
in
this
area
there's
not
necessarily
a
park
strip,
you
could
ask
to
just
do
paving,
which
is
the
case
in
front
of
the
Wasatch,
where
they
just
did
paving
with
trees.
In
that
case,
you
have
8
feet
and
then
you
have
an
additional
4
feet,
that
is
the
tree
grates
and
then
paving.
S
E
E
K
Ask
a
question:
I
want
to
it's
something
that
came
to
me
today
when
we
were
on
the
site
for
this
particular
project,
and
that
was
the
fact
that
there,
those
two
buildings
that
the
building
they
were
building
was
sort
of
set
into
another
big
building,
both
them
around
80
feet
tall
and
the
distance
between
them.
I
think
I
figured
was
around
50
feet
in
one
place,
or
maybe
even
slightly
less
45
feet
or
so,
and
I
am
wondering
whether
or
not
especially
with
I
mean
we
don't
do
with
this.
K
Isn't
an
inch
big
issue
downtown
number
one,
because
the
streets
are
very
wide
anyway
and
number
two,
because
most
people
build
in
a
way
that
well
has
party,
not
the
party
walls
and
so
forth,
but
where
you
don't
have
a
party
wall
there,
it
seems
to
me
there
should
be
some
required
separation
between
the
between
two
buildings
and
right
now.
We
don't
have
that
and
in
fact,
the
very
first
Sounion
code
in
the
world,
New
York
City,
that's
one
of
the
main
things
they
did
was
to
create
this.
K
You
know
this
height
limit
relative
to
the
width
of
the
street
or
the
width
of
the
separation
between
the
two
buildings
and
I.
Think
that
not
me
I'm
not
proposing
it
for
now,
but
I'm
thinking
that
those
guys
could
have
built
those
buildings.
You
know
ten
feet
apart
and
they
wouldn't
do
it
because
it's
not
in
their
interest
to
do
it,
but
they
could
have
built
him
a
lot
closer
together
than
a
lot
of
us
would
have
wanted
so
and
you're
saying
you
know
we
have
us
300
feet
and
then
20
feet.
K
R
K
That's
okay
for
office
building,
but
certainly
for
residential.
You
wouldn't
want
that
to
happen,
and
yet
you
don't
want
blank
walls
there
either
so
I
mean
I.
Think
you
have.
We
need
to
be
start
thinking
about
that,
particularly
in
sugarhouse,
but
everywhere,
really,
particularly
in
sugarhouse
thinking
about
how
far
apart
these
buildings
need
to
be
in
order
to
preserve
light
and
air
down
into
the
desk
between
them.
S
I'm,
just
thinking
of
other
zones
in
the
city
I'm
not
sure
that
we
necessarily
have
anything.
That's
significant
require
significant
spacing
for
apartment
buildings.
I
think
we
have
some
zones
where
we
require,
maybe
a
four
foot,
four
or
five
foot
setback
from
the
property
line.
So
you
essentially
end
up
with
8
to
10
feet
between.
K
C
K
You're
getting
to
the
point
in
our
evolution
as
a
city
where
you
know
we
didn't
have
six
story:
apartment
buildings,
20
20
years
ago
or
15
years
ago,
but
now
we've
got
10
story,
we've
got
even
20
story,
office,
buildings
and
so,
like
I,
said
in
downtown.
That's
not
so
much
a
problem
but
I
think
in
areas
like
sugarhouse,
where
its
densifying
very
rapidly
and
where
the
buildings
are.
You
know
eighty
eight
feet
tall
as
this
case
was.
K
A
A
D
D
Linda
and
I
were
looking
at
the
legacy
this
afternoon,
which
is
the
one
the
tall
building
on
sugar
ma
our
wilmington,
and
that
building
is
not
even
200
feet
long
and
it
seems
enormous,
so
I
really
wish
Daniel
could
figure
out
a
way
that
it
could
be
allowed
to
be
less
than
200
I
mean.
Why
does
everybody
feel
like
the
developers
have
to
get
the
most
they
can
and
they
build
it
as
big
as
they
can.
D
If
we
make
it
300,
they
might
build
it
300,
and
if
the
point
of
this
is
to
codify
the
business
district
2,
which
is
the
short
stuff
and
the
small
quaint
stuff
that
sugar
house
is
made
of,
do
we
want
that
to
all
of
a
sudden,
be
200
feet,
long
I?
Don't
like
it
I
could
give
you
a
list
of
all
those
buildings
where
the
glass
got
modified
and
didn't
meet
the
intent
of
the
standards.
I
mean
Smiths.
D
Has
their
glass
15
feet
up
as
a
clerestory
thing
along
the
Elm
Avenue
I
mean
we
can't
make
this
stuff
up,
they
think
of
it
and
it
drives
us
crazy.
So
I
think
you
have
to
be
more
specific
than
just
40%
glass.
You
need
to
say
that
it's
clear,
unobstructed,
glass,
because
they'll
paint
it
on
the
inside,
like
the
di-did
or
they'll,
make
it
into
window
boxes
like
we
have
along
21st
south,
which
doesn't
do
anything
get
just
a
dress
in
a
box.
D
That's
12,
inches
deep,
so
I
think
there
needs
some
more
specificity
here
you
we
wanted
active
main
entrances
every
30
feet
and
this
some
house
morphed
to
40
feet.
I,
don't
think
I.
Think
40
feet
is
almost
too
far
look
at
the
size
of
what
we
have
now
in
those
small
areas
along
11th
east.
They
still
can't
build
any
taller
than
30
feet,
so
why
would
they
need
to
be
40
feet
apart.
D
Sidewalks
beside
sidewalks
at
one
point,
I
should
have
brought
my
hand
out.
We
actually
went
around
measured
sidewalks
in
various
places
in
sugarhouse
and
McClellan
is
a
bad
street.
I
mean
those
are
like
five
barely
and
you
can't
get
a
mother,
a
father,
a
bike
and
a
dog
somebody's
pushing
a
baby
carriage.
You
just
can't
and
then
somebody's
come
in
the
other
direction,
so
I
think
wherever
it's
possible,
we
should
make
them
whiter.
D
The
new
CPS
actually
did
ten
feet
and
I've
heard
comments
that
gee
nobody
walks
there.
Well,
of
course
they
don't
it's
not
a
walkable
area,
but
they
at
least
put
the
ten
feet.
Sidewalks
it,
and
maybe,
if
something
else,
redevelops
I
mean
the
more
wider
sidewalks
we
can
build,
even
if
it's
only
450
feet,
I
think
we're
better
off.
D
D
A
R
My
name
is
Lynn
Schwartz
I'm
vice
chair
of
the
sugarhouse
community
council,
land
use
and
zoning
committee.
Please
forgive
me
if
I
repeat
some
of
the
things
that
Judi
has
said,
because
we've
been
chewing
this
over
for
a
while
and
I'd,
also
like
to
thank
Daniel
for
his
very,
very
hard
work
and
always
being
accessible,
well,
I'm,
happy
to
see
a
codified
design
standards
so
that
elements
of
the
master
plan
could
be
included.
R
R
We,
as
was
stated
before,
should
be
30
feet,
I'm
very
happy
to
see
that
the
height
for
signs
was
increased
and
that
the
tree
requirement
was
clarified
and
we
don't
think
that
the
live
work
substitution
for
retail
would
necessarily
increase
pedestrian
interest
having
an
accountant
or
a
podiatrist
or
a
lawyer's
office.
We
don't
see
how
that
would
increase
pedestrian
interest.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
O
Hi
I'm,
Laurie,
garlic
and
I
worked
for
gardener
properties,
so
I
commented
on
the
urban
on
11
project
when
you
guys
were
kind
of
searching
for
wondering
which
one
it
was
so
John
wanted
to
be
here
today,
John
gardener,
he
couldn't
be.
He
did
provide
a
letter
which
you
should
all
have
a
copy
of
now
and
for
the
most
part,
I'm
gonna
read
parts
of
that
letter.
O
Thank
you
for
hearing
me,
Planning
Commission
members.
We
are
opposed
to
the
proposed
zoning
zoning
ordinance
changing
certain
parts
of
the
sugarhouse
business
district
ordinance
generally.
The
existing
ordinance
has
served
the
community
very
well
since
its
passage
in
2005
by
spawning
favorable
redevelopment
of
sugar
house.
We
were
the
first
to
build
condos
and
apartments
under
the
ordinance
and
are
such
our
pioneering
a
pioneering
developer
of
this
process.
O
Having
completed
three
projects
or
ban
on
eleventh
condos
sugar
house
Apartments
by
herb,
Anna
and
21
by
Urbana,
which
is
the
project
on
2100
South
generally,
the
ordinance
does
not
need
changing
and
certain
modifications
proposed
by
the
Planning
Department
will
be
harmful
to
the
community.
The
mandate
commercial
space
on
front
buildings
on
1,100,
east
and
21
under
South,
dictating
to
landowners
that
they
must
have
commercial
on
the
main
level
is
a
bad
idea.
O
This
portion
of
mixed-use
projects
as
weak
economic
feasibility
and
a
poor
track
record
such
spaces
are
particularly
non
feasible
for
smaller
buildings,
as
the
space
is
just
not
big
enough
for
a
retailer.
Please
do
not
pass
this
change
that
will
make
development
of
small
parcels
very
difficult.
The
burden
of
this
non
economic
space
if
the
project
can
even
be
developed
with
this
deadweight
burden,
must
be
added
to
the
cost
of
the
residential
units,
thus
increasing
the
cost
of
housing.
O
My
understanding
is
that
Salt
Lake
City
is
concerned
about
affordable
housing,
so
passing
this
ordinance
will
increase
the
cost
of
housing
in
sugarhouse
and
Judy
mentioned
in
the
last
couple
months.
We've
lost
a
couple
retail
shops.
We
lost
the
eyeglass
shop
and
design
details
and
they
were
both
on
1,100
East.
O
Our
latest
project
on
2100
South
21
by
Urbana,
has
our
Lobby
or
leasing
office
and
a
cyber
cafe,
and
also
to
walk
up
residential
units
which
are
all
very
successful.
Lots
of
activity
on
street
level
and
the
people
are
on
their
balconies
at
night.
This
type
of
development
would
be
banned
under
the
new
ordinance
proposed.
O
F
O
C
B
B
S
Generally,
if
there's
something,
if
there's
some
obstruction
in
the
way,
they
would
have
to
shift
their
sidewalk
around
the
obstruction.
If
that
tree
is
is
staying
generally.
Urban
forestry
requires
you
to
save
the
trees,
so
we
generally
have
to
stay,
but
we
did
build
in
some
flexibility
into
the
ordinance
to
take
that
into
consideration
as
far
as
where
it
is
decided,
what's
measured
from
to
the
tree.
S
But
if
the
tree
was
super
close
to
the
property,
they
would
have
to
then
shift
the
sidewalk,
maybe
a
foot
into
the
property
we
do
have
so
there's
some
other
avenues
where
they
could
modify
the
sidewalk
with
requirement.
We
do
have
a
provision
in
the
landscape,
ordinance
that
allows
the
Zoning
Administrator
to
modify
zoning
requirements
by
20%.
So
if
the
six-foot
provision
is
causing
a
problem,
they
could
reduce
the
sidewalk
down
to
four
feet.
S
S
Generally,
it's
it's
more
difficult
to
just
remove
a
street
tree
and
who
do
have
protections
in
there
for
Zoning
Administrator
to
do
some
modifications
on
sidewalk
and
planning
director
to
also
do
modifications,
for
example,
I
think
there
are
some
side
streets
that
may
be
difficult
and
in
those
side
streets,
the
circulation
plan
may
provide
us
some
flexibility
as
far
as
the
sidewalk
wits,
acknowledging
that
our
right-of-ways
aren't
very
wide
there.
So
the
planning
director
could
also
approve
a
modification.
So
we
we
put
that
language
in
in
there,
because
we
understand
the
concern
about
the
trees.
B
Do
worry
about
live
workspaces
a
little
bit
because
I've
seen
them
go
bad,
where
they
do
just
kind
of
turn
into
an
apartment
and
they
put
up
lines
and
they
don't
actually
have
a
workspace.
So
then
it
really
is
just
a
residential
space
on
the
ground
floor.
Are
there
any
protections
in
the
definition
of
what
a
live-work
space
is
too
so.
S
We
thought
we
did
put
a
qualifier
in
there
that
the
workspace
has
to
be
on
the
ground
floor
so
that
that
space
would
be
next
to
the
street.
Thinking
of
that
potential
situation
and
that
live
work,
provision
was
put
there,
because
we
understand
that
it
can
be
difficult
to
get
financing
for
a
mixed-use
product,
and
this
would
be
an
option
for
a
residential
developer
to
maybe
get
financing
easier
easier
without
the
risk
of
a
purely
commercial
space
on
the
ground
floor,
because
it
can
potentially
increase
costs
and
increase
the
cost
for
their
units.
M
Is
it
really
I
mean
I
guess
for
projects
of
the
size,
I
just
question
whether
it's
really
an
issue
I
mean
if
you
develop
or
in
court,
codify
the
design
standards
and
go
with
more
of
a
form
based
approach
as
long
as
you
have
the
form
you
want?
Why
are
we
so
concerned
with
the
specific
uses,
we're
on
small
projects
for.
S
Could
there
are
a
few
pockets
where
we
do
have
small
properties,
especially
on
the
east
side
of
Highland
Drive?
Not
a
lot?
Not
a
lot
is
left,
but
you
could
end
up
with.
You
can
do
a
nice-looking
residential
unit
on
the
ground
floor
with
a
nice
patio,
but
if
you're
looking
for
the
ground
level
activation
you're
not
going
to
see
the
same
level
of
ground
activation
with
a
residential
product
versus
a
commercial
space,
this
is
a
restaurateur.
M
M
S
It
could
be,
that
is
a
risk
and
that's
if
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
risk
and
the
only
reason
we
impose
the
commercial
we're
proposing
a
commercial
requirement
is
because
there's
language
in
the
master
plan
they
so
strongly
talks
about
preserving
the
commercial
core
and
commercial
activity
in
the
core
of
sugar
house.
That's
what
that's
why
it's
in
there,
but
we
can't
ignore
there.
J
Is
a
potential
for
it
to
be
Moline
that
over
as
well
and
I
feel
really
strongly
that
we're
only
talking
about
24,
South,
11th,
East
and
Highland
Drive?
So
when
I
count,
projects
that
we've
approved
or
that
are
currently
being
built,
not
ones
that
have
completed,
we've
got
seven,
only
one
of
them
has
retail
and
that's
the
one
we
just
improved
tonight.
So
we
have
a
business
district.
It's
called
the
business
district
and
we're
not
building
businesses
where
we,
where
this
current
trend
is
not
building
businesses.
J
M
J
K
It's
not
a
you
know
so
and
so,
but
I
think
there's
the
the
trend
is
that
that
actual
retail
businesses
are
shrinking
greatly
moment
by
moment,
and
we
know
this
so
I
think
if
you
look
to
places
like
Boston
or
New,
York
or
other
San
Francisco
places
that
are
developed
with
residential
everywhere,
you
will
see
that
walking
along
a
street
in
in
New
York
or
in
San,
Francisco
or
even
Chicago
in
many
places
is
not
boring.
It's
not
activated
in
the
sense
that
everybody's
out,
you
know
swinging
through
town,
but
it
isn't
also.
K
It
is
also
not
boring
to
walk.
So
I
think
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
smaller
residential
project
that
had
residential
kinds
of
that
was
you
know
a
building
like
you
would
find
on
in
many
parts
of
New
York,
where
you
walk
in
and
it's
a
you
know
and
their
apartments
all
over
it.
You
know
I
think
this
is.
This
is
not
a
bad
thing
for
sugarhouse,
so
I
would
be
I
would
be
I.
K
J
K
J
J
C
C
B
I,
don't
know
I
bet,
but
I
haven't
even
processed
processed
enough
to
be
able
to
provide
good
feedback
other
than
our
buildings
are
too
long
or
facades
are
too
long
and
I
get
your
point
and
I
I
probably
just
need
to
give
it
up
for
this
space,
but
does
anyone
else
share?
The
concern
is
everyone
else.
Like
am
I
the
only
one
that
continues
to
be
angry
at
300
foot
building
sites.
E
B
E
To
me,
it
sounds
like
it's
been
the
three
I
think
what
things
been
reduced
down
to
200
feet:
the
problems
that
I
experienced
with
a
300
foot
building
like
I,
don't
mind
it's
a
building.
It's
just
that
it's
one
building
doesn't
feel
like
there's
a
difference
and
so
I
feel
like
what's
been
described
and
Molly
wasn't
one
to
show
us
the
Denmark
homes,
yeah.
B
B
The
the
three
standards
that
you
said
that
we
would
be
able
to
address
that
with
are
there.
Are
there
cheap
ways
for
developers
to
get
around
it?
That
don't
really
you
know
they
like
make
the
facade
go
this
way
and
in
this
way
in
this
way
in
this
way,
and
then
it
becomes
repetitive
and
in
another
way
or
does
it,
is
there
give
us
enough
flexibility
to
be
like
you're
trying
to
get
around
the
the
intent
here.