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In
about
45
minutes,
so
at
4:30,
so
anybody
who
is
not
supposed
to
be
session.
Thank
you
for
humoring
us.
During
our
short
closed
session.
We
are
going
to
skip
the
second
item
on
our
agenda,
which
was
a
budget
amendment
number
three
for
fiscal
year,
2018
19.
So
we'll
move
to
item
number
three
on
the
agenda,
which
is
budget.
Amendment
number
four
for
fiscal
year,
2018
and
2019
been
led
key
from
the
council
office
is
here
at
out
and
he
can
start
and
then
I
think
yeah.
G
So
first
I
wanted
you
all
to
know
that
we've
only
received
two
months
worth
of
the
half
a
half
a
percent
sales
tax.
So
it's
in
its
infancy
stage.
It
is
coming
in
better
than
projected
next
month
is
going
to
be
our
key
December
revenues
which
are
December.
We
receive
those
at
the
end
of
February,
so
I
guess
this
month,
so
the
end
of
February
is
going
to
be
a
huge
dictator
on
how
the
revenues
will
continue
to
come
in.
G
F
So
the
timeline
is
a
briefing
today,
a
public
hearing
on
February
12th
and
potential
action
on
February
12.
The
council
has
expedited
this
budget
amendment.
There
are
two
items.
The
first
item
is
a
federal
employee
emergency
loan
program,
which
is
a
request
to
use
$100,000
from
general
fund
fund
balance.
The
program
would
provide
one-time,
no
interest
loans
to
federal
employees
who
live
or
work
in
Salt,
Lake
City
or
at
the
three
city
airports,
including
the
one
in
West
Jordan
and
the
one
in
Tula
valley.
F
F
F
F
F
Council
staff
made
a
quick
estimate
of
the
number
of
federal
employees
in
the
city.
We
estimate
it's
over
$1,000
and
excuse
me
over
a
thousand
federal
employees,
and
this
is
because
of
the
multiple
federal
employers
in
the
city,
not
just
TSA
agents
at
the
three
airports,
but
also
the
federal
courthouses,
the
Securities
and
Exchange
Commission,
the
Federal
Reserve
branch
from
San
Francisco
and
a
few
federal
office
buildings
and.
D
I
just
have
to
I
feel
like
we
should
prioritize
Salt
Lake
City
residents,
who
are
also
federal
employees,
because
I
think
that
this
could
easily
be
gone
before
all
it's
a
hundred
thousand
with
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
limit
right.
So
we
could.
We
could
liquidate
all
that
money
and
not
have
reached
all
of
1,000
hypothetically,
but
I
would
like
us
to
contemplate
a
place
of
residence
prioritization
for
Salt,
Lake,
City
residents,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
what
you
guys
think
not
to
exclude
non-residents
but
to
prioritize.
B
Right,
mm-hmm,
that's
what
I
was
gonna
suggest
as
well.
My
other
question
is
during
the
furlough.
Do
we
have
any
idea?
How
many
did
was
there?
Anybody
from
the
federal
government
that
reached
out
to
the
city
looking
for
loans
and
how
many
of
no
no
I'm?
Sorry?
No,
there
wasn't
anyone
that
reached
out,
but
we
know
there's
a
demand
for
it.
How.
H
H
We
know
that
by
the
length
of
the
the
previous
government
shutdown
and
some
information
that
we
were
able
to
gather
in
terms
of
wages,
particularly
we
did
some
looking
into
like
TSA
obvious.
This
is
broader
than
just
TSA,
but
that
was
one
area
that
we
were
particularly
particularly
concerned
about,
because
the
importance
of
the
the
TSA
at
the
International
Airport
and
the
South
Valley
Airport
and
Tooele
Airport
to
maintain
safety.
H
And
so
so
we
looked
a
little
bit
at
what
their
wages
were
and
felt
that
if
we
just
looked
at
that,
that
that
could
the
the
length
of
the
government
shutdown
could
present
some
financial
challenges,
fiscal
challenges
for
for
the
families.
But
we
did
not
have
anyone
in
particular
reach
out.
Looking
for
a
loan
where
I
was
not
in
my
head
was
where
I
thought
you
were
gonna
ask
is
initially
and
part
of
the
delay
and
not
getting
this
before.
We
actually
had
the
transmittal
ready
to
go
the
day.
H
The
shutdown
ended
staff
was
amazing
in
the
tremendous
work
initially
when
we
first
were
talking
about
this.
We
reached
out
to
TSA
to
find
out
about
eligibility
and
interest,
and
we
were
initially
told
that
federal
employees
would
not
or
TSA
employees
would
not
be
eligible
to
receive
this
loan
from
the
city.
H
I
think
two
or
three
days
later,
we
were
actually
contacted
again
by
an
attorney
with
TSA
re-engaging
and
helped
us
figure
out
a
way,
and
that's
why
you
see
is
kind
of
separated
into
two
different
categories,
including
all
the
airports
and
then
all
other
federal
employees
in
order
to
do
it,
so
that
was
some
of
them.
That's
where
I
was
not
in
my
head,
where
I
thought
you
were
going
in
terms
of
the
contact
mr.
chair,
if
I
could
also
maybe
address
councilmember
Mendenhall's
issue,
definitely
a
policy
column.
H
We
can
definitely
look
at
placing
that
kind
of
priority
in
terms
of
residents
where
I
would
say
we
would
want
to
be
careful
with
that
was
again
where
we
kind
of
started
thinking
in
particular
about
TSA
employees.
That
was
one
area
not
too
we
weren't,
obviously
being
exclusive
to
TSA.
But
that
was
one
area
that
we
were
particularly
interested
in
making
sure
because
of
the
importance
to
the
city
and
that
they're
being
furloughed
having
to
work.
H
D
And
actually,
when
I
look
at
my
notes
on
the
subject,
I
was
hoping
to
change
that
language
too,
and
I
understand
functionally.
Also
that
we
want
to
get
this
money
out
as
fast
as
we
can,
because
the
families
obviously
have
been
a
need
for
a
long
time
now
and
they're
back
at
work
and
that
repayment
thing
right
has
already
kicked
in,
because
unless
it
shuts
off
again
on
the
21st.
G
D
H
Access
I
mean
we
can
look
at
that,
but
I
think
the
way
that
you're
stating
it
gives
us
some
guidance
with
that.
So
we
could
take
a
look
at
that
and
let
you
know
mr.
chair,
if
I
could
also
just
say
that
one
one
other
policy
question
that
does
impact
how
far
the
dollars
go
is
the
ami
and
when
we
initially
drafted
our
initial
drafts
of
this
proposal
actually
limited
it
limited
it.
H
At
80%,
ami
I
became
concerned
about
the
80%,
the
longer
the
government
shutdown
went,
and
so
we
were
creeping
in
today
like
32
and
I,
said
my
gosh,
even
a
hundred
percent
AMI.
Maybe
we
should
kick
that
up,
because
we
in
some
in
some
ways
we're
talking
about
being
proactive
in
case
there's
a
shutdown.
That
is
something
that
we
can
consider
whether
to
do
a
hundred
percent
or
start
with
80
percent
and
the
impact
would
be
you
know
the
dollars
could
go
a
little
bit
further.
H
B
A
H
My
best
guess
on
that
a
we
probably
we
didn't
even
have
that
conversation,
but
my
best
guess
and
as
we
were
looking
at
gap
funding
right,
we
were
anticipating
that
at
some
point
the
government
shutdown
would
and
and
that
there
would
be
that
back
pay.
And
so
that's
why
we
went
the
long
route
that
was
just
that
gap
financing
and
that
the
expectation
that
it
would
be
paid
back
and.
G
B
B
I
G
Exact
same
civil
collections
process,
this
will
be
managed
through
a
CT
which
is
where
all
civil
is.
At
this
point
in
time,
we
could
set
payment
plans
up
for
these
individuals
work
with
them.
You
know
to
get
it
paid
back
as
much
as
we
can
so.
A
I'm
actually
gonna
disagree.
So
I
was
thinking
that
we
were
on
the
same
page
but
I
think
Ron.
So
that
is
precisely
the
concern
that
I
have
that
you
know
we
have
employees
who
were
the
employees
of
the
federal
government
who
were
victimized
during
the
shutdown.
We
then
grant
a
loan
to
help
them.
You
know,
fill
the
fill
that
gap
and,
depending
on
what
happens,
we
may
end
up
going
after
them
through
collections
and
everything
else,
which
means
that
they're
victimized
again
I
mean
I,
didn't
I,
don't
know
I.
A
H
H
Almost
applied
for
the
district
for
just
kidding
might
have
been
a
conflict
conflict
director
Ebert
was
just
whispering
in
my
ear
that
we
appreciate
I
mean
your
comments.
Dead-On
and
there's
there's
a
choice
that
that
we
make
there,
but
the
point
that
directory
Berg
was
making
is
that
with
unemployment
for
the
federal
workers?
That
was
the
same
situation,
so
federal
workers
would
have
accessed
unemployment
during
the
shutdown
and
they
were
gonna
be
asked
to
pay
back
as
well.
So,
okay,
there's
some
consistency.
A
C
A
A
H
I
may
there's
there's
one
other
policy
question
that
I'd
love
to
throw
out
for
direction
from
the
council
and
I
apologize.
This
actually
just
came
up
this
last
weekend.
One
of
the
gaps
that
we
saw
during
the
shutdown
and
the
payback
is
the
contract
workers
right
now.
The
way
that
this
policy
is
written
in
the
loan
program
is
written,
it
would
not
apply
to
contract
workers
would
only
apply
to
federal
employees.
We've
we've
spoken
internally
about
whether
to
extend
that
and
we
could
create
some.
H
H
H
A
And
find
that
so
the
proposal
that's
in
front
of
us
right
now,
though,
just
to
be
clear,
is
just
the
loan
program
for
federal
employees.
Correct
one
of
the
things
that
I
so
I
would
be
very
interested
in
seeing
what
you
come
back
with
a
plan
proposal
for
contract
employees,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
may
want
to
look
at
just
because
of
the
nature
of
those
contracts.
You
know
the
contract.
Employee
work
is
substantially
different
than
federal
work.
A
We
may
want
to
look
at
the
loan
program
versus
or
not
the
grant
program
versus
the
loan
program,
because
they
don't
those
workers
won't
have
the
ability
to
repay
the
loans
using
some
of
the
back
pay.
So
I
understand
that
that's
going
to
create
a
more
you
know
a
much
more
logistical
job,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
these
are
the
employees
that
would
would
have
a
tougher
time
anyway.
A
G
J
G
J
Thing
and
I
don't
know
if
our
attorney
who's
present
would
know
off
the
top
of
her
head,
but
the
attorney's
office
told
us
that
one
of
the
values
in
having
this
be
part
of
a
budget
opening
is
that
the
fact
that
it's
advertised
as
a
budget
opening
means
that
you
don't
have
to
have
a
separate
public
hearing.
So
there's
some
possibility
that,
because
of
the
way
it's
being
done,
it
might
not
necessitate
all
those
public
benefit
hearings,
but
we'll
check
with
the
attorneys
tomorrow,
right
together.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
David
for
bringing
this
to.
You
know
our
attention
immediately.
You
know
when,
when
this
came
about,
you
know
that
was
a
very
difficult
thing,
for
you
know
many
of
our
employees
and
right
now
we
have
so
many
people
working
on
federal
projects
in
the
in
the
city
that
have
major
impact
to
what
we
do
so
I
appreciate
the
administration
bringing
this
proposal
forward.
Mr.
H
F
K
A
All
right
item
number
four
on
our
works
session
agenda
today
is
the
funding
our
future,
the
transit
under
local
agreement
with
the
Utah
Transit,
Authority
Kyra
and,
let's
see
Kyra
when
you
were
at
the
table.
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
you
to
introduce
this
Bennis
here
as
well,
and
then
Jennifer
mcgrath,
john
Larson
and
Julianne
Sabula
from
the
administration.
L
L
Is
part
of
the
funding
or
future
project
which
implemented
a
point?
Five
percent
sales
tax
increase
to
address
the
previously
unfunded
critical
needs
of
safety
streets,
affordable
housing
in
transit
in
the
fiscal
year
nineteen
budget
discussions
the
mayor
recommended,
and
the
council
approved
five
point:
three
million
dollars
to
improve
transit
service.
Two
point:
eight
million
of
that
funding
was
allocated
for
the
first
year
of
this
partnership
with
the
Utah
Transit
Authority.
L
The
council
now
has
the
final
draft
of
the
interlocal
agreement,
which
governs
collaboration
between
the
city
and
UTA
and
the
first
addendum,
which
identifies
the
first
routes
to
be
mobilized
in
phase
one
which
is
not
the
same
as
year.
One
and
authorizes
the
funding
to
implement
it.
If
approved,
the
enhanced
service
would
begin.
August
2019
the
addendum
authorizes
funding
for
the
first
year
I'll.
Let
the
administration
speak
to
the
latest
updates
in
these
agreements
and
the
next
steps
for
service
and
these
budget
allocations.
M
So
we
did
not
have
a
formal
presentation,
we've
presented
several
times
over
the
or
the
fall
and
really
just
tied
up
some
loose
ends,
and
so
hopefully
there
aren't
any
big
surprises
from
what
you've
seen
previously,
but
Julian's
gonna
give
kind
of
a
rundown
of
the
changes
in
this
final
draft
versus
where
we
were
when
we
last
spoke
about
this
in
December
great.
Thank
you.
N
So,
last
time
we
were
here,
we
outlined
three
items
just
to
restate
the
general
frame
of
the
agreement,
there's
the
master
agreement
and
that's
kind
of
the
rules
by
which
we
play
for
20
years.
Then
the
agenda
which
identifies
mobilization
costs
in
the
first
year
and
then
in
a
future
allocation
will
address
the
cost
of
service
during
the
second
year.
N
So
last
time
we
were
here,
we
had
three
items
that
were
still
unresolved
and
those
items
were:
inflation
rate,
cost
of
paratransit
being
added
to
the
service
and
the
administrative
overhead
costs
and
all
of
these
related
to
our
cost
calculator.
It's
a
spreadsheet
that
is
complex
and
requires
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
it
didn't
result
in
giant
changes.
The
agreement
probably
looks
very
very
similar
to
what
you've
already
seen,
there's
a
few
numbers.
Some
adjustments
to
the
exhibits.
M
N
N
We
adjusted
some
exhibits
to
reflect
some
of
the
some
of
the
decisions
that
we
made
and
then
we
added
information
about
the
administration,
administrative
costs,
and
this
was
primarily
for
the
sake
of
transparency.
It
didn't
really
change
anything,
but
we
felt
like
it
was
a
little
more
clear
what
it
is
we're
paying
for
and
then
finally,
we
added
a
look
back
and
really
it's
because
cities
sponsored
transits
there
increases
are
new
to
us
they're
new
to
UTA.
We've
never
collaborated
in
this
way
and
we're
gonna
learn
as
we
go.
N
We
hope,
hopefully
not
by
a
lot
of
mistakes,
but
we
do
want
to
be
able
to
check
in
at
least
every
two
years
until
we
feel
like
we've
got
a
really
stable,
smooth
running
system
in
place
and,
let's
see
I'm
trying
to
think.
If
there's
anything
else,
oh-
and
we
did
give
an
initial
draft
of
this
first
addendum-
that
will
come
up
in
the
next
budget
allocation.
N
M
So,
building
on
that
I
think
it's
just
worth
noting,
and
this
is
something
we've
mentioned
before,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
involved
with
this,
but
what
the
resolution
that
we've
put
before
you
doesn't
actually
have
the
funding
for
the
year
one
service,
as
the
funding
for
the
ramp
up
cost
for
that.
So
in
the
budget
season
is
when
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
the
adoption.
M
So
we
think
that
we
could
do
the
six
north
and
tenth
north
services,
or
at
least
2021,
but
that
would
require
including
ramp
up
costs
in
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
that
would
take
it.
The
the
first
three
routes
that
are
funded
is
basically
an
eight
million
dollar
total
transit
program,
adding
in
six
and
tenth
north
would
bump
that
up
to
a
twelve
million
dollar
program.
So
that's
something
that
we're
gonna
have
to
talk
through
in
the
coming
months.
The.
M
D
You
mr.
chair
I
have
a
few
questions
and
you're
right.
There's
no
big
surprises
in
here,
mostly
I'm
appreciative
that
we're
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
Yeah,
that's
exciting,
so
I'm
wondering
these
are
some
really
good
policy
questions
that
Kara
has
brought
up
and
I
underlined
many
of
them,
one
of
them,
particularly
around
sponsorship
and
I
I.
Do
I
would
like
to
know
about
whether
or
not
those
discussions
have
been
coordinated
around
sponsored,
fair
and
then
I
want
to
tag
on
to
the
data
question
number
three.
N
And
processing
a
little
bit
the
question
and
looking
at
this
policy
question
in
the
staff
report,
so
we
have
been
developing
a
scope
of
work
that
I
think
is
near
final.
We
had
a
discussion
about
it
just
yesterday
in
terms
of
a
fair
analysis
and
the
obstacles
to
expanding
our
fair
programs,
but
we
also
have
been
talking
a
lot
with
the
development
community.
N
For
example,
we
have
a
lot
of
cranes
in
the
air
and
a
lot
of
development
proposals
in
the
queue
and
so
there's
a
real
interest
in
having,
especially
in
high
density,
housing
transit
as
a
really
robust,
viable
option,
both
just
in
terms
of
promoting
those
properties
to
potential
residents,
but
also
then
having
people,
utilize,
transit
and
minimize
demands
on
parking.
So
we
have
had
those
conversations
with
the
development
community
as
well.
Is
that
the
type
of
information
you're
asking
about
yeah.
D
M
M
It
just
seems
to
just
proliferate,
because
you
have
some
people
who
think
that
UTA
oughta
just
find
a
way
to
have
free
fare
or
sponsored
fare,
system-wide
or
maybe
countywide,
or
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
developers
that
are
willing
to
help
subsidize
fare
for
their
their
renters
or
sorry
landlords.
That
would
subsidize
for
their
renters
in
in
exchange
for
not
having
to
provide
as
much
parking
or
you
know.
Are
there
ways
to
have
more
small
businesses
that
can
participate?
M
D
That
are
important
to
the
business
community,
important
people
in
housing
and
important
to
the
city.
So
yes,
please,
another
one
I
want
to
ask
about
is
actually
I
want
to
say
that
I
am
NOT
interested
in
the
council,
reviewing
21a
for
6-0
6-0
for
all
those
people
who
know
what
that
means
it
can
you're
I,
don't
want
to
put
advertising
on
bus
stops.
B
B
B
Know
what
I
mean
so
we
can
actually
advertise
what's
going
on
and
the
differences
there,
these
routes
are
going
to
make
for
the
neighborhoods.
So
if
we
specifically
tie
it
to
transportation,
it's.
I
Hi
Megan
nopales
from
Salt
Lake
City
Attorney's
Office.
So
you
asked
why
the
dispute
resolution
language
isn't
specifically
outlined
in
the
ila
record
for
elevated
disputes
yeah,
so
that
language
isn't
necessarily
in
every
ila.
In
fact,
I've
only
seen
it
in
a
few
that
I've
worked
on
I
haven't
been
into
the
city
for
that
long,
so
it
might
be
a
lot
more
and
part
of
the
problem
with
that
outlining
those
kinds
of
dispute
resolution
processes
is
that
committees,
change
positions,
change,
titles
change
and
then
you
end
up
having
to
redesign
8
people.
I
M
And
I
think
for
the
the
points
that
Megan
just
said
and
I
think
is
highlighted
by
the
fact
that
UTA
has
had
a
lot
of
changes
in
titles
and
positions
over
the
last
year
and
so
designating
specific
positions.
It
can
just
kind
of
becomes
cumbersome,
but
what
we've
talked
about
is
that
really
the
the
points
of
contact?
For
you
know,
staff
level
technical
level
dispute
resolution
would
be
the
transportation
director
for
some
exciting.
The
planning
director
for
UTA
I
meant.
D
N
So
we
have
in
our
transit
master
plan,
we
have
established
minimums
and
that's
what
we're
buying
up
to
that
minimum.
Although
a
few
TA
chooses
to
provide
more
and
in
the
case
of
the
two,
they
are
doing
that
because
operationally
it's
easier,
they
can
and
so
it'll
be
the
same
service
Monday
through
Saturday
and
it
will
run
from
5:00
a.m.
to
midnight.
It'll
be
every
15
minutes
until
7
p.m.
C
M
C
In
the
master
plan
discussions,
okay,
I
would
just
ask
that
maybe
be
approached
at
some
point.
I,
like
the
uniformity,
makes
it
easy
to
remember
and
do
it
and
the
half
hour
increments
are
frankly
better
than
we
have
now
period,
so
I'm
not
overly
concerned,
but
if
this
could
be
tailored
a
little
more,
perhaps
as
needed
to
those
kind
of
needs.
Employment
in
school,
particularly
I'd,
be
interested
in
hearing
that.
C
C
How
is
that
going
to
look
and
so
I
see
in
here
the
30,000
allocated
I,
don't
necessarily
see
a
timeframe
or
a
goal
or
some
sort
of
objective
or
trying
to
get
to,
and
what
time
for
him
to
get
this
going
so
I'd
like
to
see
that,
if
possible,
I
know
it
gets
complicated
and
getting
the
weeds
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
would
like
to
see
sort
of.
We
have
a
target
to
get
us
understand
it
when,
because,
if
we're
trying
to
isolate
factors
right,
it's
frequency
going
to
increase
our
our
ridership
implements.
C
How
much
is
the
combination
of
that
another
factors,
such
as
a
unified
pass
or
a
hive
Pass
or
something
along
those
lines?
So
we
can
really
drill
down
in
some
future
date
with
the
data
and
say
what
bang
for
the
buck
helps
us
get
out.
Ridership
and
people
really
Rea
here,
respond
to
positively
I'm
interested
in
hearing
that
so.
N
Whatever
mechanism
is
available
to
people
that
you
have
your
whole
suite
of
transportation
options
that
you
can
plan
and
pay
for
in
one
place,
you
can
have
a
subscription,
a
monthly
subscription
at
varying
levels
and
that's
what
we're
really
working
toward
in
partnership
with
you
dot
and
UTA.
We
were
unsuccessful
in
our
attempt
to
get
an
American
Dream
ideas
challenge
grant,
and
so,
but
we
are
not
stopping
as
a
result
of
that.
We're
charging
forward
with
that
concept,
and
so
that
big
picture
is
sort
of
the
endgame
we
have
in
mind.
N
In
the
meantime,
we've
identified
a
couple
of
and
I
am
not
the
person
who's.
An
expert
on
this,
so
I
know
in
broad-brush
some
things
that
are
really
almost
internal
obstacles
related
to
our
own
ordinances
and
practices.
That
I
think
that
we
can
free
ourselves
up
to
do
more
and
that's
probably
the
first
thing
to
knock
down
before
expanding.
N
C
You
know
I'd
love
a
free
fare
zone,
but
if
we're
not
gonna
do
advertisements
on
stops
so
we're
gonna
go
and
limit
our
revenue
for
this
I.
Don't
think
it's
reasonable,
so
I'm
more
interested
in
making
it
easy
as
possible
and
as
cost-effective
as
possible,
with
some
personal
investment,
so
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
those
options
and
the
cost
would
be
so.
We
can
talk
about
how
we
may
find
ways
to
do
that.
Councilmember.
A
Johnston
to
your
point
about
the
sponsorships
and
I:
don't
think
that
I
mean
we
haven't
had
that
discussion
and
now
the
council
member
Mendenhall.
You
know
raised
the
point
earlier,
but
but
that
has
not
been
a
discussion,
but
I
am
open
to
it
because
I
you
know,
I'm
I
would
rather
see
more
options.
You
know
and
if
we
can
do
more
through
sponsorship,
I'm
not
at
all
opposed
to
it.
So
I
think
that's
a
discussion
that
we
can
have
later.
C
M
M
Could
we
work
with
UTA
to
develop
maybe
a
family
pass
or
for
people
who
only
need
transit
or
only
write
transit
on
occasion,
like
maybe
people
who
have
committed
to
only
write
on
red
air
days
or
every
Friday
or
something
so
a
monthly
pass
doesn't
make
sense
for
them,
but
maybe
they
could
use
that
same
hive
type
partnership
to
be
able
to
get
a
fare
card
charged
up
that
they
only
use.
You
know
four
times
a
month,
but
at
least
that's
better
than
nothing
and
they're
kind
of
getting
their
foot
in
the
door.
A
Sorry
that
works
for
you
know
what
I
would
like
to
see.
I,
you
know,
for
us,
I
think
more
opted
the
more
options
you
can.
You
know
present
us
the
better,
and
you
know
once
we
have
those
options,
then
we
can
have
a
more
deliberate
discussion
about.
No,
we
don't
want
it.
We
don't
want
any.
You
know:
bus
stop
sponsorships
in
the
city.
A
A
If,
if
sponsorship
is
something
great,
if
expanding
the
hive
passes
something
wonderful,
let's,
let's
talk
about
it,
one
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
do:
I
don't
need
to
suspend
the
rules
because
I
don't
think
it's
technically
in
the
rule,
but
our
practice
is,
you
know
we
usually
we
don't
invite
other
groups
to
the
table,
but
I
know
that
UTA
is
here
and
if
my
colleagues
would
be
ok,
I
would
like
to
invite
you
ta
for
a
couple
of
questions.
It's.
C
Okay,
I
agree
with
that.
Can
I
say
something:
what
to
the
question
about
direction
from
us.
Yes,
I
think
that
we're
looking
at
the
frequency
very
effectively
we're
looking
at
access
based
on
where
their
roots
are
in
the
next
two
three
phases
very
effectively.
It's
that
financial
access
piece.
That's
a
question
for
me
still
so
in
responses.
C
I
would
personally
very
favorable
to
looking
at
a
hive
like
concept
for
city
residents
that
is
unifying
across
multiple
platforms
is
cost-effective
for
and
flexible
for
families,
particularly
kids
parents,
and
based
on
not
miss
out
riding
every
day,
but
periodically
enough
to
test
it
out
and
something
along
those
lines,
I'd
be
very
supportive
of,
and
then
obviously
the
analyzing
the
cost
right.
How
do
you
do
that
effectively?
I
really
think
the
access
piece
is
gonna
be
as
simple
as
possible
reliable.
C
A
B
N
As
soon
as
we
want
to
do
it
so
the
soonest,
we
feel
that
we
can.
It
requires
a
ramped
up
phase,
just
like
these
first
three
routes,
and
that
would
happen
could
happen
as
early
as
next
fiscal
year.
So
we
can
come
to
you
in
the
next
budget.
N
B
Then
my
follow-up
question
would
be
the
eight
hundred,
and
is
it
sixty
two
thousand
whatever
it
is?
You
would
like
twenty
percent
in
the
em
I
want
to
call.
It
lies
a
reserve
account
right
or
were
you
looking
for
more
than
that,
because
right
now
it's
it's
at
forty
percent.
So
my
question
is
what,
if
we
dropped
it
to
twenty
percent
and
you
use
that
funding
to
put
in
the
bus
benches
or
what
we're
looking
at
for
the
amenities
on
these
routes
to
help
streamline
that
as
well
jump
start.
It.
A
A
D
I
met
with
the
administration
earlier
today
about
plans
for
the
HRC
communities,
and
particularly
the
high
Avenue
paramount
site,
has
a
lot
of
challenges
around
accessing
transit
in
the
area,
simply
even
by
sidewalk.
So
I
was
wondering
if,
with
that
funding
setting
up
an
appropriate
contingency
and
then
asking
the
administration
to
come
back
to
the
council
with
some
proposals,
how
we
could
use
the
money
for
transit
investment
and
whether
that's
bus
stops
in
those
areas
or
what
I
don't
know.
D
D
I
would
like
to
if
that
the
administration
come
back
to
the
council
with
the
proposal
to
utilize,
whatever
remaining
after
a
15
percent.
Contingency
is
created
from
the
823
thousand
access
right
now
to
utilize
that
remaining
funding
for
prioritization
of
transit-oriented
investment
in
the
HRC
communities,
a.
B
Little
bit
in
addition,
because
I
think
this
is
also
a
planning
scenario.
In
my
opinion,
it
would.
It
can
also
look
for
ways
to
streamline
the
processes
with
these
other
lines
as
well.
You
know
whether
their
shelters,
bus
shelters
or
whatever
we're
looking
at
but
I,
can
see
the
reasoning
behind
that
focusing
around
the
HRC's
but
I
think
there's
plenty
of
opportunity
there
not
just
to
focus
it
there,
but
to
to
broaden
it
in
that
aspect.
Yeah.
D
As
a
council
a
couple
years
ago
to
making
sure
that
those
communities
that
we
can
do
right
by
them
and
as
many
ways
as
possible,
so
this
is
a
theme
that
I
think
I
hope
I'm,
not
the
only
one
raising
every
time
we
look
at
a
opportunity
to
be
intentional
and
prioritize
needs.
These
are
really
real
needs
to
really
actually
88
needs
in
that
area
are
pretty
significant,
so
I'll
bring
it
up
in
other
regards,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
that
wouldn't
hurt
just.
B
A
If
what
if
we
did
this,
what
if
staff
are
not
staff,
you
know
transportation.
If
you
can
work
on
a
couple
of
the
points
that
the
council
member
Rogers,
was
talking
about
just
looking
at
how
to
expand
and
do
what
he's
looking
for
the
1,800
820
3419,
the
15
percent
contingency
per
councilmember,
Mendenhall
strawpoll,
would
then
be
used
primarily
in
the
areas
around
the
HRC
is
to
deal
with
some
of
the
transit
issues
related
to
that
that
way.
A
A
C
A
O
M
So
I
would
like
to
I
guess,
make
two
points.
One
is
that
we
we
have
asked
and
you
allocated
over
a
million
dollars
for
capital
investments
that
is
available
this
fiscal
year
that
could
be
used
for
and
that
we
were
planning
on
using
for
improving
bus
stops
and
first
last
mile
access
to
the
the
frequent
transit
network
routes,
and
we
believe
our
interpretation
of
that
is
that
that
could
include
everything.
That's
on
phase
one,
including
the
Rose
Park
routes,
and
that's
something
that
we're.
M
We
would
like
to
see
as
an
ongoing
allocation
of
capital
investments
so
that
we
can
continue
to
improve
the
capital.
The
not
only
the
bus
stops,
but
then
the
first
last
mile
enhancements
around
all
the
bus
stops
on
all
the
frequent
transit
network
routes
and
and
then
the
other
point
that
I'd
like
to
make
is
the
need
to
have
a
buffer
for
the
operations.
Because
that's
something
that
is
once
we
make
that
commitment.
M
M
They
well
yeah
yeah.
So
once
we
are
ramped
up
to
like
a
twelve
million
dollar
program,
I
think
you
should
have
about
a
three
million
dollar
reserve
that
is
just
for
kind
of
a
rainy
day
fund
for
just
operations,
and
that
way
we're
not
if,
but
when
we
have
another
recession,
we're
not
cutting
evening
and
weekend
service,
but
we're
able
to
kind
of
work
our
through
it.
D
O
In
addition
to
being
able
to
utilize
the
over
1
million
dollars
that
was
set
aside
for
capital
improvements,
which
we
can
look
at,
some
improvements
are
on
3rd
west
right
away,
see
how
quickly
we
can
move
those
forward.
One
of
the
things
we
heard
very
clearly,
both
from
the
administration
and
the
council,
was
the
desire
to
solidify
these
routes
and
make
sure
that
they
can
go
on
in
perpetuity
that
people
can
count
on
these
routes.
O
They
can
change
their
lifestyle
based
on
knowing
that
these
routes
will
be
there
and
for
us
that
is
what
emphasizes
the
importance
of
having
a
rainy
day
fund.
What
we
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
we.
We
are
in
a
prosperity
time
right
now,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
be
very
forward-thinking.
About
revenues
may
come
in
differently
next
year
or
the
following
year.
A
Great,
so
you
know
it
is
a
little
bit
different
than
we
would
have.
You
know
that
I
would
invite
you
ta,
but
but
the
main
reason
I
wanted
to
do
that
and
then
well.
If
there
are
questions
for
Nicola
and
Nicole,
if
you
have
any
comments
but
really
I
wanted
to.
Thank
you,
for
you
know
on
behalf
of
the
council,
for
the
work
that
you
ta
is
done.
The
collaboration
with
the
administration
I
want
to
thank
administrative
staff
for
working
with
you
ta.
A
This
is
a
unique
situation
that
we,
as
a
city,
have
not
done
before
it's
one
that
has
been
discussed
many
different
times,
but
you
know
it's
always
easier
to
discuss
things
conceptually
once
you
actually
have
to
put
it
in
practice
and
start.
You
know
making
those
ideas
come
to
life.
It
is
much
more
difficult,
so
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
all
the
work
that
you've
done
both
from
the
administration
you
ta,
and
you
know
this
is
an
exciting
thing
that
hopefully
we
can
expand
as
as
we
move
forward.
A
I
Just
like
to
say
thank
you
to
the
council
in
the
administration.
I
think
this
has
been
exciting
for
us.
Your
support
with
the
council
in
the
administration
in
UTA
to
do
more
frequent
service
to
support
our
community
together,
is
a
great
partnership.
We
appreciate
everyone
of
you
using
your
capital
and
working
with
us
to
move
this
forward.
It's
gonna
help
both
of
us
and
we
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
model
to
take
to
other
communities
and
private
partnerships
to
show
how
we
can
work
together
to
provide
the
best
service
to
our
community.
I
So
we
thank
you.
We
love
this.
This
is
exciting
for
us.
I
get
chills
when
I
think
about
that
nine
cell
service.
It's
it's
really
important
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
councilmember
Johnston.
We
did
work
with
the
University
of
Utah
and
the
Salt
Lake
City
School
District
on
those
times
making
sure
that
they
could
do
after-school
programming
and
that
frequency
worked.
So
we
we
did
work.
I
C
Dismiss
my
ETA
sorry
Nicole.
Well,
we
talk
about
transportation
related
stuff.
We
may
want
to
look
at
that
up
closer
I
say
that,
because
on
the
Paramount
Avenue
area,
with
the
nine
changing
routes,
there's
no
bus
running
on
3rd
between
13th
and
17th,
so
doing
upgrades
there
doesn't
do
much
good
for
us
on
that
Street.
C
The
big
issue,
frankly,
is
more
around
transportation
and
I
say
that,
because
it's
about
snow
removal
in
the
wintertime,
because
it's
not
sidewalks,
don't
get
prioritized
in
that
area
and
it's
impossible
to
get
from
tracks
very
effectively
anywhere
outside
of
there
and
the
width
of
the
sidewalks.
So
it
may
not
be
transit
specific
the
needs
in
that
area.
So
we
may
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
that
means:
transportation,
kind
of
focus
for
this
funding
or
find
other
funding
for
that.
Okay,.
A
And
to
you
know
some
of
that,
but
now
it's
okay,
so
you
know
what
what
councilmember
Johnston
was
talking
about
is
that
you
know
we
may
want
to
look
at
some
other
uses
for
that
funding.
You
know
whether
it's
you
know
the
Train
or
more
transportation
based.
So
if
we
need
to
do
snow
removal,
for
example,
or
something
else-
and
my
guess
is
that
that
would
fit
with
what
you're
talking
about
it
may
not
but
I.
Think
having
that
discussion
is
you
know,
keeping
it
at
least
open
works.
Thank.
D
You
and
I,
you
know,
Charlie,
you
were
really
a
bastion
for
a
sticking
to
what
we
said.
We
were
going
to
spend
the
money
on
and
nothing
more
so
I
I'm
with
you
on
that
and
I
think
come
back
with
whatever
your
interpretation
is
of
what
we
said
when
we
decided
to
do
the
sales
tax
increase
and
then
we
can
talk
about
it.
A
C
Asked
that,
because,
theoretically,
what
you
could
be
looking
at
is
a
study
of
pedestrian
patterns
in
the
neighborhood,
based
on
that
with
the
and
then
figure
out
from
there.
What
the
upgrade
might
be,
because
it
could
be
a
little
more
nuanced
and
interesting
about
how
we
most
effectively
save,
say,
lows
from
being
overrun
through
their
parking
lot
folks,
also
crossing
at
the
tracks
crossing
instead
of
at
the
crosswalks,
because
of
sidewalk
width
on
13th,
particularly
there's
some
issues
in
there.
That
may
not
fit
our
intent
for
this
money.
C
A
One
one
idea
that
that
we
may
want
to
do
I
mean
and
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
necessarily
convene
a
formal
subcommittee.
The
formal
council
subcommittee,
but
I
would
say
that
if,
if
there
are
council
members
who
are
interested
I
would
say
in
councilmember,
Mendenhall
and
councilmember
Johnston
in
particular
on
this
issue.
A
If
anybody
else
would
like
to
you
know
work
with
the
administration
in
the
UTA
on
on
some
of
this
and
how
we
move
forward,
maybe
we
can,
you
know,
maybe
that's
a
way
to
do
it
so
that
you
know
you're
not
coming
up
with
brilliant
ideas
that
are
different
from
what
and
what
we're
thinking
that
way.
Everyone's
thinking
together
does
that
work.
I,
like
it.
M
Okay,
all
right
can
I
quickly
plug
two
big
projects
that
are
in
the
pipeline
over
the
next
year
or
two
that
are
right
near
the
HRC's
we
got.
County
funding
for
a
life
on
state
catalytic
site
is
what
we're
calling
it
so
six
out
to
nine
south
is
going
to
get
a
huge
facelift.
I
know
that
we're
also
partnering
with
the
RDA
on
that
to
you
know
further
enhance
that.
M
Third
West
needs
more
than
just
a
facelift
and
it's
gonna,
where
we're
planning
on
getting
and
doing
a
complete
makeover
on
that
one
and
that's
actually,
we
just
in
engineering,
is
taking
a
lead
on
that
or
working
closely
with
them,
so
that
not
only
will
the
payment
be
improved,
but
it'll
be
better
for
the
four
blocks
where
we
have
the
bus
stops
from
between
13th
and
17th,
and
then
vastly
improve
the
experience
for
walking
and
biking
as
well
for
the
length
of
the
corridor.
So
right.
F
Technical
note
for
the
council:
you
will
work
with
the
administration
to
get
an
updated
addendum
based
on
the
changes
to
the
budget
and
the
contingency
amounts
that
were
strop
hold
today.
It
currently
lists
the
full
budget
amount,
so
we'll
want
to
bring
that
down
to
reflect
the
20
in
the
seven
forty
percent
contingency,
okay
and
then
the
remaining
budget
that
the
council
just
discussed.
We
would
want
to
add
to
a
budget
amendment
or
hold
and
wait
for
the
recommendations
from
the
administration.
Great
thank.
A
A
Okay,
so
last
time
so
when
I
was
chair
before
I
developed
a
reputation
of
being
not
very
friendly
towards
brakes,
that
we
had
listed
on
the
agenda,
so
unfortunately
I
guess
I'm
going
to
continue
that
my
request
of
my
colleagues
is
that
we
ignore
the
tentative
break
that
we
had
scheduled
since
we
started
late
and
readjust
the
agenda
to
now
deal
with
their
interview,
the
board
appointees
that
we
have
listed.
We
would
then
follow
that
by
the
reason
of
5:45
and
555
West
v
north
and
then
our
legislative
update
does
that
work
with
everybody?
A
K
A
O
B
A
Right,
thank
you.
You're
welcome,
so
the
way
that
this
is
going
to
move
forward
and
to
the
other
board
appointees
this
this
pertains
to
y'all
as
well.
We
will
your
your
on
the
consent
agenda
for
our
formal
meeting.
You
don't
need
to
stay
you're,
welcome
to
if
you'd
like
it's
the
end
of
our
meeting,
but
we
we
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve
on
this
committee.
Thank.
A
L
Name
is
Samantha
Finch
from
district
7
ami
Fowler's
district
good
evening
ami
interested
in
the
board,
because
of
just
this
long
interest
of
mine
in
land,
use
zoning
planning
and
open
spaces
and
I.
Consider
myself
an
outdoor
recreation
list
use
the
trails
in
the
local
parks
within
the
city.
Take
an
interest
in
how
their
viability
interested
in
capital
improvements
and
I
I
went
I'm
by
training
I'm,
an
attorney
like
ami
I,
went
to
law
school
and
actually
a
big
reason
that
brought
me
to
law.
L
School
was
land
use,
open
spaces
and
just
how
the
public
uses
of
land
and
sets
aside
land
for
green
spaces.
So
yeah
land
use
was
a
big
draw
of
mine,
always
an
interest,
and
when
I
saw
this
opening
on
the
board,
I
applied
I
just
thought
it
would
suit.
My
interest
and
I
have
a
bit
of
an
educational
background,
I'd
like
to
actually
put
some
of
my
educational
background
training
in
this
field
and
apply
it
to
my
community.
It's
really.
It
was
my
interest.
I
A
D
It's
good
to
see
you
again
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
finding
a
way
to
become
engaged
in
the
boards
and
commissions
in
the
city
where
this
is
one
of
my
favorite
parts
of
council
meetings
is
meeting
our
residents,
who
are
willing
to
volunteer
their
time
and
expertise
to
help
the
city,
advance
and
I'll,
say
quite
frankly,
there's
not
many
people
who
run
a
campaign
and
then
the
I
had
to
find
another
way
to
get
engaged.
We
don't
see
many
candidates
passed
candidates
up
here,
so
I
appreciate
that
I.
K
K
Actually,
I
benefit
right
from
having
signal
s2,
so
I
for
the
last
15
plus
years
have
been
working
on
international
land
management,
sustainability
issues
in
climate
change
and
I
would
like
to
do
something
that
is
more
local.
To
balance
out
my
what
I
do
internationally
I
use
the
trail
system
extensively
and
have
a
vested
interest
in
open
lands
and
parks,
etc.
So
I
thought
it
would
be
a
nice
opportunity,
great.
D
A
A
E
What
we
have
here
tonight
is
a
request
that
the
council
had
approved
a
rezone
back
in
2012
to
rezone
the
properties
at
5:45,
555,
West
from
SR
1a
and
SR
3
to
TSA,
and
that
the
rear
of
the
parcels
at
555,
West,
500
North
from
SR
1,
a
to
sr
3
council
had
approved
the
rezoning
subject
to
the
applicant
subject,
to
a
condition
that
the
applicant
would
dedicate
the
private
street
to
the
city
eventually
when
they
completed
the
construction
of
it.
At
the
time
the
applicant
was
ok
with
it.
E
They
thought
that
would
be
long
term
beneficial
for
them,
so
they
agreed
to
it.
Since
then,
there's
been
for
extensions
granted,
and
the
applicant
has
requested
that-
and
this
was
last
year
the
applicant
requested
that
that
condition
be
removed.
They're,
finding
it
difficult
over
the
last
couple
years
to
do
to
move
forward
on
the
project
and
just
having
to
come
back.
Every
couple
of
years
takes
all
the
time
from
them
and
from
the
council,
and
so
staff
is
recommending
or
so
last
year
should
also
explain.
E
We
thought
that
we
could
work
this
out
through
a
development
agreement.
We
had
that
good
idea
here
at
the
table,
but
then
the
attorneys
told
us
that
it
doesn't
work
that
easily.
So
we've
since
learned
the
development
room,
it's
not
going
to
work,
and
so
the
council
has
the
option
to
either
continue
extending
the
resolute
the
resolutions
for
this
ordinance
or
to
remove
the
condition,
which
is
what
the
applicant
is
asking
for.
E
So
staffs
recommendation
is:
there's
been
other
similar
razones
in
the
past,
where
we,
the
council's
approved
to
rezone,
but
not
require
the
street
to
be
brought
up
to
city
standards
and
dedicated
to
the
city.
So
staff
is
recommending
the
that
condition
be
removed
and
just
go
back
to
what
the
Planning
Commission's
recommendation
was,
which
had
a
few
conditions
on
it.
The.
B
D
K
L
I
am
just
gonna
pop
in
and
say
that
it's
the
my
name
is
Margaret.
Paul
and
I
represent
the
applicant
in
this
case,
and
it
is
the
property
owners
desire
to
still
dedicate
the
street.
It
takes
a
lot
of
money
and
investment
to
construct
the
new
sewer
main
and
the
new
water
main
and
all
of
the
laterals
etc,
and
as
well
as
installed
the
pedestrian
access,
the
storm
drain,
the
curb
and
gutter,
and-
and
so
it's
the
property
owners
intention
to
when
they
record
the
plat,
to
have
that
street
dedicated
for
public
use.
L
The
the
hiccup
in
the
condition
on
the
rezoning
was
the
timeframe
and
the,
and
so
that's
why
council,
member
Rodgers
has
you
know,
talked
about
seeing
us
four
times,
because
you
know
we
just
haven't,
had
the
time
to
get
all
the
construction,
drawings
etc,
and
the
subdivision
prepared
the
Planning
Commission.
The
preliminary
plat
approval
in
the
plan.
L
Development
approval
that
were
originally
applied
for
and
granted
in
2012
have
expired,
so
the
applicant
will
be
required
to
go
back
through
that
entire
process
and
this
request
simply
saves
them
the
burden
of
adding
the
zoning
again
to
that.
To
that
re,
you
know
reconsideration
of
the
original
plans.
Okay,.
C
Now
my
concern
is
simply
that
we've
ran
until,
in
my
district,
a
a
circle
and
a
water
main
leak
or
break
none
of
the
residents
realized.
There
was
a
private
line
because
years
nearest
back,
whatever
the
agreement
had
been
no
was
aware
of
it
and
therefore
there
on
the
line
yeah,
the
city
was
on
the
line
and
the
sewer
was
City.
The
water
was
well,
the
sewer
was
private,
the
water
was
City,
and
so
my
concern
is
making
sure
that
it's
coherent.
It's
clear
when
this
body
is
no
longer
here,
perhaps
yeah.
K
I
just
was
very
close
to
moving
into
one
of
the
houses
on
tarantella
Court
once
and
I.
Think
so.
I've
seen
the
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
and
I
think
that
it's
really
has
so
much
potential
and
it's
just
a
really
cute
little
gem
in
that
area
of
the
neighborhood.
So
thanks
for
what
you're
doing
and
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
going
forward.
Yes,
you're
welcome,
and
you
have
some
really
nice
residents.
A
A
A
J
J
Sorry,
alright,
so
the
you
have
on
your
agenda
a
grant
public
hearing
for
this
evening,
and
there
are
three
potential
grants
that
relate
to
bike
share
expansion
and
they
are
all
tied
to
green
bike.
A
couple
of
council
members
have
asked
staff
with
all
of
the
movement
movement
hasari
happening
with
bicycle
scooters,
that
type
of
a
thing
whether
it
would
be
timely
for
the
council
to
have
a
discussion
or
to
receive
some
information
from
the
administration
about
this
topic.
J
The
total
match
amount
is
$80,000,
so
one
idea
that
staff
came
up
with
is
just
to
ask
the
count
the
administration
if
they
would
come
back
with
a
briefing
and
then
you
know,
the
council
could
also
put
a
condition
on
that.
No
more
than
25,000
be
spent
in
match
for
this
topic
and
tell
the
council's
had
the
opportunity
to
get
a
better
understanding.
L
J
Grants
don't
stop,
I
mean
the
application
takes
place
and
then
they're
processed
normally.
So
this
is
a
notice
to
you
guys
as
the
legislative
body.
It's
it
isn't
an
approval
to
move
forward,
but
because
there
is
match
money
involved
there.
You
know
there
is
a
role
for
you
on
this
one
so
find
out
more.
D
Because,
mr.
chair,
my
concern,
isn't
about
give
it
getting
green
bike,
the
grant
it's
about
us
having
a
better
understanding
of
how
advancing
ordinances
that
allow
other
bike-share
systems
to
flourish
in
the
city.
While
they
may
actually
be
undermining
the
very
thing
we've
invested
public
dollars
and
for
almost
ten
years
to
build.
That's
a
conversation.
I
won't
have
so
I
don't
mean
to
slow
down
with
green
bikes
funding
I
mean
essentially.
I
Sorry,
it's
it
like.
We
could
vote
on
grant
and
on
the
grant
and
have
because
they
almost
seem
like
two
different.
It's
not
that
we
don't
want
to
give
them
the
money.
It's
that
we
need
to
understand
how
the
ordinance
is
going
to
work.
So
it
seems
like
we
could
probably
go
forward
right
and
approve
the
money,
but
still
have
a
briefing
on
the
ordinances
and
have
green
buy,
come
in
and
have
some
of
those
briefings
even
afterwards
that
we're
not
sowing
down
the
money.
C
A
B
Think
that's.
My
whole
point
is
that
we
need
to
have
that
conversation
before
we
approve
that
I
mean
that
you
look
at
the
technology
how
its
come
forward.
You
know
you
see
lime
now
the
doing
electric
bikes
and
how
is
that
disruptive
technology
affecting
green
bike,
and
is
it
really
appropriate
funds
for
us
to
be
looking
at
that
I'd
love
to
have
lime
actually
come
in
and
talk
to
us
as
well,
so
it
for
me,
it's
a
bigger
it's
a
bigger
picture
for
us
to
be
looking
at
and.
A
I
appreciate
councilmember
Rogers,
getting
my
thought
back
on
track
because
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
also
really
curious
about
as
well,
because
I
do
think
that,
with
the
addition
of
lime
and
bird,
not,
you
know
doing
scooters
now,
with
lime
doing
the
bicycles
as
well.
There
we
just
need
to
figure
out
how
to
make
all
of
this
work
together
and
I
would
be.
I
would
be
somewhat
reluctant
just
to
give
money
because
we're
nice,
you
know
without
having
without
having
a
broader
discussion
about.
C
Agree:
I
just
functionally
speaking
I
found
the
ductless
as
much
easier
on
last
first,
my
last
mile
than
the
bike
stations,
especially
if
the
point
is
to
expand
it
to
other
parts
of
the
city.
It
probably
doesn't
mean
it's
great
and
neat
in
my
neighborhood
as
a
dhoklas
concept
would
be
I'm
not
opposed
to
green
bikes.
I
would
love
to
see
it
still
evolve
on
our
investment
I
think
is
a
good
idea
in
certain
areas,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
targeted
and
where
those
areas
are
and
how
they
best
function.
I.
A
Agree,
councilmember
and
I
think
you
know
looking
at
your
district,
my
district
and
councilmember
Rogers
district,
so
that
are
the
three
districts
that
probably
I
mean
well
I,
don't
see
you
know
the
addition
of
you
know
the
the
docked
bikes
anytime
soon,
so
I
do
think.
That's
why
I
just
want
to
have
a
more
thorough
conversation
before
we
start
giving
money
or
granting
money
away.
Can
I.
D
Councilmember
I,
don't
know
if
you,
if
any
of
you,
my
peers,
haven't
met
with
green
bike
recently
about
this
I
encourage
you
to
and
they
I
think.
What
I'm
hearing
is
that
this
there's
curiosity
about
doclist,
there's
interest
in
electric
and
I'm
hearing
green
bike
say
we're
interested
in
exploring
whatever
it
is
that
the
city
wants
us
to
explore
and
that
their
board
wants
to
explore.
D
But
fundamentally
that's
a
nonprofit
organization
that
we've
invested
in
for
almost
a
decade
that
has
a
really
different
purpose
than
the
venture
capital
enterprises
that
are
on
our
streets
today
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we
should
be
drawing
a
red
line
through
green
bike
to
say
we
really,
you
know,
that's
a
model,
that's
outdated,
because
they're
willing
to
evolve
and
that's
a
their
their.
The
mission
of
that
as
a
nonprofit
is
so
different
from
what
we've
seen
play
out
with
the
venture
capital
models
around
the
country.
Well,.
A
And
and
while
you
know,
I
personally,
I'm
happy
to
meet
with
them
and
and
I'm
willing
to
do
that,
I'm
more
curious
about
what
their
ideas
are
to
evolve
instead
of
whether
or
not
we
want
them
to
evolve.
Part
of
you
know
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we
need
to,
but
I'm
gonna
be
looking
for
from
them
as
what
their
ideas
are,
how
they,
you
know
how
they
want
to
stay
or
plan
to
stay
relevant
if
they
want
to
expand
into
dhoklas.
You
know
how
that's
going
to
work
I'm
more
than
open
to
doing
that.
J
Just
point
out
that,
fortunately,
we
have
listed
this
actually
as
an
item
on
our
public
agenda.
So
that's
why
it
was
possible
to
have
that
much
of
a
discussion
on
an
announcement
item.
So
thank
you
to
the
staff
council
working
groups.
We
have
a
number
of
working
groups
right
now.
It's
not
like
there's
subcommittees,
but
it's
just
groups
that
that
have
kind
of
organically
formed
or
offshoots
of
the
legislative
subcommittee.
J
J
J
And
then
the
other
thought
was
councilmember
Johnston
based
on
his
subject
matter:
expertise
of
the
Housing
Commission
and
that
type
of
thing.
So
really
all
seven
of
you
could
be
on
all
of
these.
But
then
it
would
be
the
whole
council
and
not
a
working
group.
So
it's
really
hard
to
get
figured
out
who
to
invite
Winn.
So
we
want
to
come
back
to
you
and
ask
you
for
your
feedback
on
whether
we're
going
in
the
right
direction.
J
Okay,
the
legislative
subcommittee:
every
year
we
have
a
feedback
from
council
members
that
it
gets
a
little
tricky
when
we
we
have
under
our
policy
that
the
the
former
chair
continues
through
April
or
through
the
end
of
the
legislative
session,
and
that
is
for
continuity
purposes,
so
that
that
person
who
has
been
working
through
out
the
summer
and
fall
and
winter
still
has
the
knowledge
base.
The
the
group
can
take
advantage
of
that
person's
knowledge
base
and
the
contacts
and
that
type
of
a
thing.
J
Your
chair,
the
chair
problem,
so
so
we
can
give
you
that
as
food
for
thought,
it's
not
anything
that
would
start
anytime
soon.
It's
just
for
you
to
think
about,
and
you
make
him
up
with.
You
know
four
or
five
other
different
ideas,
but
it
does
seem
very
difficult
to
have
the
mix
of
a
former
chair
and
not
a
current
chair.
It
doesn't
matter
right
now,
because
we
have
both
anyway,
then
the
Mill
Creek
working
group
Oh.
J
J
Okay,
so
so
we
would
bring
that
back
to
you,
but
in
the
meantime,
if
you
have
ideas
that
you
want
to
suggest
and
we'll
write
those
up
as
options,
then
it
looks
like
a
Mill
Creek
working
group
has
formed
based
upon
necessity.
We
have
the
council
chair,
the
council
vice
chair
and
the
district
seven
representative,
although
in
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
council
chair
or
if
it's
the
army
council
vice
chair
or
if
at
some
points
it's
I,
don't
know,
Cindy.
A
My
thought
on
this
one
is
that
we
on
this
one
in
particular,
it
be
flexible
because
you
know
again
having
a
working
group
with
three
is
important.
This
is
a
fairly
complex
issue
just
because
of
the
the
timing
of
it,
and
so
there
there
may
have
to
be.
You
know
some
movement,
but
you
know
so
that
council,
member
Mendenhall,
who
serves
on
the
you,
Utah,
Liga
cities
and
towns
board,
would
also
be
included,
and
so
there
may
have
to
be.
A
J
That
work
yeah
so
while
you're
talking
along
those
lines,
one
thing
that
occasionally
happens
is
that
you
may
have
two
members
of
one
of
these
subgroups
that
aren't
available
and
it
seems
relevant
in
a
lot
of
cases
to
check
to
see
if
any
other
council
members
are
available
to
participate
in
a
meeting.
A
good
example
is
tomorrow
there's
a
meeting
that
just
one
council
member
was
able
to
attend.
Now
it
looks
like
one
other
would
be
available.
A
Can
I
say
one
more
thing
about
the
Mill
Creek
working
group,
this
one
we're
all
hands
on
deck
on
this
right
now,
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
every
year,
all
everyone's
going
to
be
involved
in
this
one,
because
it
is
it
is
that
big
of
a
deal
so
everyone's
going
to
be
looped
in
this?
Is
this
moves
forward
in
the
next
few
weeks
and.
J
Then
the
final
one
that
we
have
here
is
the
inland
port
working
group,
and
that
would
be
the
chair,
the
vice-chair
who
also
happens
to
be
an
inland
port
board
member
and
then
our
immediate
past
chair,
who
has
been
through
all
of
the
issues
with
the
legislators
for
the
past
year.
So
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
you
is.
J
It
seems
like
there
are
times
when
we
need
a
subject
matter,
expert
as
staff
and
like
it
seems
like
well,
it
would
be
relevant
to
invite
so-and-so
because
he
or
she
happens
to
know
about
the
justice
system
or
any
number
of
things
clean
air,
whatever.
Maybe
there's
a
water
specialist
or
something,
and
as
long
as
those
folks
that
are
subject
matter,
experts
don't
have
a
conflict
of
interest.
It
it's
been
relevant
for
us
to
just
pull
them
in.
J
You
may
have
through
the
chair
and
vice
chair
or
the
RDH
here,
and
the
council
chair
and
then
a
subject
matter
expert.
So
we've
done
that
a
little
bit
and
I
think
it
would
be
really
nice
for
us
as
staff.
If
we
could
just
work
with
each
of
you
to
think
about
your
subject
matter,
expertise,
so
that
we
do
have
a
good
list
to
draw
from.
As
these
unusual
topics
come
up
and.
A
Cindy
I
I
think
it's
important
that
we
all
remember
that
these
groups
are
fluid.
Adding
adding
names
to
it
at
least
gives
some
predictability
to
staff
in
the
administration.
So
you
know
if
there
are
issues
that
come
up.
You
know
they
know
who
you
know
generally
to
be
looking
at,
but
their
fluid.
So
it's
not
like
hey.
If
you're
not
on
one
of
these
groups,
then
you
know
you're,
not
gonna,
know
what's
going
on,
that's
it's
just
we
needed
to
have
some
predictability,
but
understanding
that
we
need
all
of
us
to
do
this.
C
A
So
personally,
I
agree:
I,
think
that
you
know
that
is
probably
legislative,
maybe
not,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
housing
working
group,
the
inland
port
working
group
there
there
probably
is
some
importance
of
keeping
that
continuity,
but
as
we
always
are
reminded
by
our
staff,
we
can't
bind
a
future
council.
So
you
know
I
think
while
it's
it's
safe
for
us
to
have
that
it's
you
know
that
understanding
that
you
know
these
these
groups
may
extend,
but
it
has
to
be.
You
know
the
discretion
I.
A
C
C
Because
it's
multiple
cat
I
know
here
you're
saying
about
what's
a
shared
workload,
but
realistically
the
expertise
expectation
is
once
you
get
in
here
and
you
get
the
expert
the
experience.
The
knowledge
base
that
can
actions
are
the
reason
we
have
these
people
on
here
is
because,
if
that
happened
last
year
you
have
the
connections
with
the
Vice
past,
chair
and
the
other
chairs.
So.
A
I
think
that
in
in
this
case
we
you
know,
we
have
to
play
the
hand
that
we're
dealt.
You
know
these,
the
this
group,
you
know,
because
of
whatever
the
makeup,
the
expertise,
the
relationships
yeah,
you
know,
that's
just
something
that
I
think
you
know
we're
gonna.
If
we're
on
that
group,
we
have
to
figure
it
out.
You
know
we
just
have
to
you
know.
Leadership
is
one
of
those
things
where
you
know.
All
of
us
who
you
know
serve
in
leadership,
have
chosen
to
do
that.
So
you
know
the
the
workload
is
real.
A
C
I
just
put
that
up
there
because
I
understand
the
rationale
we've
talked
through
that
multiple
times
on
the
legislative
subcommittee.
The
expert
expectation
is
you're,
a
voting
member
of
the
LPC
to
some
exam
and
there's
a
commitment
inherent
to
that
to
show
up
to
the
meetings
those
kind
of
things
it's
not
the
same
level
as
councilman
Mendenhall
being
on
the
board,
but
there's
an
external
commitment
to
that.
C
The
same
as
Mister
Rogers
on
the
inland
port
Board
has
so
just
keep
that
as
an
awareness
piece
that,
when
we're
putting
these
we're
putting
people
on
here
because
of
their
experience
right
expertise,
but
also
cause
the
position
you've
taken
on.
But
if
that
position
is
one
of
those
reasons
you
continue
on,
it
does
put
a
significant
burden
on
future
leadership.
To
some
extent.
A
P
P
P
A
P
The
what
I
would
direct
your
attention
to
is-
and
the
list
I've
got
in
front
of
me-
is
a
list
of
our
priorities
and
I'd
sort
of
I
can
give
you
an
update
on
all
of
those
the
water
bills.
Only
one
of
those
bills
is
moved.
It's
the
Senate
bill.
Extraterritorial
jurisdiction
has
moved
out
of
committee.
It's
now
on
the
Senate
floor.
P
Not
a
lot
more
has
happened
on
those
bills.
We
we
are
still
relatively
optimistic
that
those
three
bills
will
move
forward
unchanged,
which
is
our
hope,
sales
tax.
There
is
lots
and
lots
of
discussion
about
sales
tax
and
the
possibility
of
restructuring
sales
tax,
which
would
involve
some
some
portion
of
broadening
the
base,
some
elements
of
reducing
the
rate
and
perhaps
some
element
of
a
tax
cut,
either
in
income
tax
or
sales
tax.
No
one
knows
where
that
will
end
up.
Yet
the
house
is
working
on
it.
P
A
P
Representative
Quinton
are
leading
that
effort
now
related
to
that,
but
I
would
say
secondary
to.
That
is
a
discussion
about
altering
the
current
sales
tax
distribution
model.
Representative
Schultz
is
leading
that
dialogue,
but,
as
I
have
said
many
times,
I
don't
know
how
you
can
have
any
conversation
about
how
to
divide
the
pie
differently
until
you
know
what
the
pie
is,
and
so
what
I
keep
saying
to
people
is
after
you
decide
how
much
you're
going
to
expand
the
base
who's
in
who's
out,
how
much
you're
going
to
reduce
the
rate?
P
P
But
that's
where
things
are
today
is
very
fluid,
but
it
is
a
it's
not
just
something
we're
watching.
It
is
a
real
I
mean
it's
a
real
issue
and,
depending
on
who
you
talk
to
you
among
the
legislators,
it's
either
an
issue
they're
going
to
talk
about
or
an
issue,
they're
determined
to
push
across
the
finish
line
and
I
get
different
opinions,
depending
on
who
you
speak
to
in
on
one
day,
jumping
forward
housing,
affordability,
there's
yes,.
A
P
K
P
We
can
do
that
House
bill.
262
is
a
relative
of
relatively
obscure
bill
that
just
came
out
yesterday
and
it's
hardly
gathered
any
attention,
but
it
is
a
bill
proposed
by
representative
potter
that
would
deal
with
the
a
boundary
adjustment,
or
rather
the
annexation,
of
a
substantially
isolated
peninsula
of
territory.
P
P
Lots
of
people
wondering
what's
behind
it,
what's
motivating
it,
what
they're
thinking
and
how
we
reach
a
solution.
I
have
there
been
multiple
meetings
that
have
occurred
today,
some
of
which
are
city
staff
and
council
members
have
been
been
involved
in,
but
right
now,
it's
just
a
lot
of
dialogue.
Unless
you
have
more
specific
questions.
P
P
K
P
P
A
In
the
day,
the
danger
with
that
is,
it
seems
to
be
very,
very
specific,
but
it
opens
the
door
and
creates
a
terrible
precedent
for
another
city
to
aggressively
go
after
a
portion
of
another
city.
Another
incorporated
city
just
because
it
wants
to
and
what
the
legislature
is
doing
with
this
bill
is
opening
that
door,
so
that,
instead
of
having
city-to-city
dialogue,
you
can
have
one
city
go
up
and
and
move
forward,
but
there
are.
A
K
My
question
is
more:
you
think
that,
without
that
many
far-reaching
consequences
that
there
would
be
other
advocacy
groups
that
might
interested
in
like
the
ramifications
here
and
and
do
all
of
the
have.
We
made
efforts
to
inform,
like
all
of
the
residents
in
this
area
that
there
that
they
would
become
residents
of
a
different
City
without
their
choice
like
have
we
made
well.
P
What
that
does
is
it
gives
the
property
owners
bargaining
power
essentially
to
go
to
the
two
cities
and
to
say
make
me
a
deal
who's
going
to
give
me
the
best
deal
here,
who's
going
to
give
me
the
best
development
rights,
whatever
it
might
be,
and
they
create
an
effective
bidding
war
between
the
two
cities
as
to
who
will
give
them
up
the
most
and
they
sign
or
don't
sign
the
petition
at
that
point.
So
it
it.
P
K
P
G
G
So
this
is
good
for
us
because
you
guys
can
have
the
big
picture
from
2004
through
so
I
want
to
thank
him
because
he's
worked
weekends
to
get
this
data
so
that
administration
and
council
can
have
it.
So
this
first
slide
is
going
to
show
you
the
point-of-sale
number
for
the
fiscal
year.
What
Salt
Lake
City
received,
what
the
difference
is
and
that
difference
is
the
difference
between
the
50-50
split
right,
so
that
portion
right
there.
G
So
if
we,
if
we
look
at
2018
the
23
million
283
842,
that's
the
portion
that
is
point-of-sale
right,
that
is,
that
is
the
population
portion
that
actually
is
going
to
other
communities
from
Salt
Lake
City.
The
percentage
of
change
is
the
percentage
of
change
in
the
point
of
sale
difference.
So
that's
year-to-year
difference
in
change
of
that.
The
population
is
the
percentage
of
population
to
the
state's
population
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
decreased
significantly
from
7.8
percent
down
to
6.4
percent.
I
To
do
a
little
numbers
interpreting
if
the
chart
is
a
little
hard
to
read.
I
think
this
is
emphasizing
that
Salt
Lake
City
is
more
of
a
commercial
center
than
a
residential
center,
which
I
think
something
we
all
know.
But
the
trend
is
that
we're
becoming
more
of
a
commercial
center
and
less
of
a
population
center,
and
so
any
change
in
the
formula
that
would
take
us
more
to
populate
would
would
disadvantage
us
or
if
we
change
just
a
point
of
sale,
it
would
significantly
advantage
us,
as
so.
G
This
is
kind
of
just
a
graph
of
that
same
that
what
we
should,
what
I
showed
you
before,
because
graphs
always
seem
to
make
it
easier
for
me,
so
the
blue
portion
is
the
portion.
That,
obviously,
is
the
portion
that
we
are.
That
is
not
a
point-of-sale
portion
that
we're
giving
away
because
our
population
is
low
compared
to
the
state,
and
then
this
is
an
interesting.
G
So
basically,
this
is
saying
from
2004
to
2008
een
Salt
Lake
City's
population
has
grown
about
8%,
but
the
state's
population
has
grown
32%,
which
goes
to
the
fact
that
Jennifer
just
spoke
to
is
that
the
state's
population
is
growing
faster
than
the
Salt
Lake
City's
population.
So
the
states
that
50-50
split
is
becoming
less
and
less
for
Salt
Lake
City.
As
far
as
population
is
concerned,
we're
making
more
money
but
we're
getting
less
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
state.
So.