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A
A
Although
conducting
our
meetings
electronically
is
different
from
our
familiar
in-person
process,
this
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting
for
the
work
session.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
by
our
usual
video
feeds
on
the
city
council
agenda,
page
youtube,
salt,
lake
city,
tv
or
facebook
live.
Although
there's
no
public
comment
during
the
work
session,
you
can
join
us
for
our
7
pm,
formal
meeting
tonight,
to
share
any
comments
that
you
have
on
a
public
hearing
item
or
a
general
item.
A
A
I
will
now
turn
the
time
over
to
rachel
otto,
the
chief
of
staff
and
mayor
mendenhall,
and
to
lead
us
through
this
discussion.
Oh
and
also
lisa,
shaffer,
chief
administrative
officer.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair
thanks
city
council
for
making
time
for
us,
as
you
always
do,
and
I
know
that
we
will
need
to
move
rather
quickly,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
friendships
covered.
We
also
have
born
a
vote
with
us
today,
who
is
amazing,
amazing
person,
who's
been
leading
public
services
for
quite
some
time
now,
but
has
really
had
to
flex
those
muscles
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
I'd
like
to
start.
B
If
mr
chair,
we
could
have
this
moment
of
privilege
to
take
a
moment
of
silence
and
recognize
the
loss
of
one
of
our
city
team
members
mark
peterson,
who
is
part
of
the
fleet
division
and
who
was
killed
in
his
line
of
work
last
wednesday.
B
I
think
rachel
has
a
photo
of
mark
that
we
could
put
up
just
take
10
or
15.
B
B
Thanks,
mr
chair
fleet
is
a
the
fleet
division,
as
you
know,
as
a
part
of
public
services,
as
are
many
of
the
departments
or
the
divisions
that
have
been
part
of
the
cleanup
efforts
since
our
hurricane
strength
storm
last
tuesday,
and
so
this
is
a
a
good
segway
opportunity
for
me
to
turn
the
tide
over
to
the
border.
C
The
fleet
team
is
holding
together
as
best
it
can.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
so
sincerely
for
all
the
support
that
you've
shown
us
for
the
tools
for
the
nice
notes
and
for
the
care
and
love
that
you've
shown
the
fleet
team.
They
are
definitely
struggling,
but
we
have
a
wonderful
new
director
who
started
a
week
early,
so
she
could
help
the
team
through
this
and
we've
had
just
marvelous
support
from
around
the
city.
C
I
will
try
to
be
as
concise
as
I
can
on.
The
windstorm
update,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
still
changing
and
evolving,
and
I
want
to
leave
some
time
if
you
have
any
questions.
First
of
all,
a
thanks
to
the
community
and
again
every
city
department
in
the
city
has
been
participating.
C
C
We
have
some
very
good
partners
from
around
the
county,
also
from
outside
the
county,
including
provo
city
and
price,
who
have
been
sending
teams
to
help.
We've
got
utah
national
guard
today,
hauling
loads
in
the
rose
park
area.
I've
seen
several
of
their
trucks
going
by
udot
is
helping
and
we
have
wonderful
support
for
both
the
state
and
the
county
in
our
emergency
management
system.
That
help
has
been
invaluable.
C
We're
continuing
to
do
damage
assessments
around
the
street.
Public
utilities
is
dealing
with
street
lights.
There's
extensive
damage
to
street
lights.
The
streets
team
has
restored
all
of
the
signals.
I
believe
we
had
some
signals
that
were
utterly
destroyed
by
the
power
outage.
C
Public
utilities
will
also
be
looking
for
water
meters.
Engineering
is
assessing
sidewalk
damage.
There
is
extensive,
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
infrastructure
damage,
they're
doing
an
assessment
of
that
and
how
to
make
immediate
and
temporary
repairs
in
advance
of
the
snow
season
and
the
water
coming
from
the
fall.
C
C
C
We
are
also
addressing
hangers
in
trees,
hangers
our
broken
or
loose
branches
that
are
simply
hung
up
in
the
branches
of
the
tree
and
could
come
down
at
any
time.
This
is
really
critical
if
we
get
any
more
wet
wind
or
any
wet
weather
coming
in.
So
that's
a
priority
and
our
urban
forestry
department
is
completely
dedicated
to
that.
C
We
are
doing
the
same
with
our
talented
arborist
teams
from
around
the
state
county.
They
are
working
in
the
parks
in
the
cemetery
because
we
have
the
same
situation
there
and
then
our
next
effort
planning
effort
will
be
a
joint
effort
with
public
utilities
to
determine
how
we
can
expedite
cleaning
so
that
we
don't
have
storm
water
flooding
issues
when
the
first
rains
come
in
the
fall.
C
So
that
is
something
that
is
becoming
a
priority
for
us,
but
obviously
we've
got
a
lot
of
cleanup
to
do
still,
so
we
have
done
sweeps
through
the
state
and
ensured
that
one
passable
lane
is
open
on
every
road.
That
does
not
mean
the
road
is
clear,
curved
occur.
We
have
targeted
clean
up
areas.
We
are
coordinating
this
with
waste
and
recycling
and
public
utilities
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
the
hardest
hit
areas
first
and
opening
up
travel
for
waste
and
recycling,
because
those
garbage
cans
still
have
to
be
empty.
C
At
some
point
very
quickly,
we
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
make
announcements
to
the
residents
on
how
to
bring
out
their
storm
damage
that
is
not
related
to
a
street
tree.
The
residents
have
been
very
patient
and
holding
back
on
that,
so
that
we
can
get
an
initial
pass
of
clearing
the
damage
that
is
in
the
streets
right
now,
and
then
there
will
be
very
close
coordination
efforts
with
waste
and
recycling
to
schedule
sweeps
throughout
the
city
that
we
will
notify.
C
Everybody
of
these
will
be
coordinated
most
likely
with
their
refuse
collection
days,
and
just
so
everybody
knows,
calder
hall
is
still
operating.
It's
just
not
operating
for
storm
damage,
it's
operating
for
normal
disposal.
We
are
asking
residents,
please
separate
out
your
storm
damage
from
your
household
damage.
We
cannot
collect
household
household
debris,
that's
not
related
to
the
storm
right
now.
We
would
also
like
to
keep
all
debris
that
is
not
wood
waste.
C
The
reason
for
that
is,
we
are
taking
an
enormous
number
of
loads.
Now
we've
collected
more
than
a
million
pounds
so
far
and
that's
just
from
the
landfill.
We
have
other
staging
areas
that
also
have
wood
waste.
All
of
that
waste
is
going
to
the
tipping
phase
to
be
buried
as
garbage,
and
we
need
to
separate
out
the
clean
green
as
much
as
we
can
from
the
other
waste
to
reserve
funds
for
the
ongoing
cleanup
that
will
be
happening.
C
Let's
see,
looking
forward
some
of
the
primary
focus
areas
we're
going
to
have,
as
I
mentioned
before-
sidewalk
repair,
very
extensive,
the
rose
park
area
and
elsewhere,
water
infrastructure,
making
sure
meters
and
lines
things
that
have
been
torn
up
by
the
trees.
As
soon
as
we
remove
those
trees,
public
utilities
will
be
able
to
identify
some
of
those
repairs
that
need
to
be
made.
C
The
cemetery
is
in
very
dire
condition.
We
would
like
to
put
a
special
emphasis
on
a
cemetery
not
only
for
its
historic
and
open
space
and
beautiful
values,
but
because
it
is
so
widely
visited
and
valued
by
residents.
We
have
grave
sites
that
are
completely
destroyed,
so
we're
going
to
be
asking
for
a
lot
of
help
to
restore
this
historic
site
and
to
replant
trees
and
to
help
residents
and
restore
those
headstones
and
those
grave
sites
in
the
way
that
they
should
be
treated.
C
C
Park's
the
same,
we
have
been
able
to
clear
enough
space
in
liberty
and
fairmont
parks
so
that
critical,
youth
and
family
programming
can
commence.
It
has
been
delayed
a
full
week.
It
will
start
next
wednesday,
but
we've
created
a
safety
bubble
around
their
facilities
and
now
we're
working
on
creating
safe,
ingress
and
egress,
so
that
parents
can
drop
their
children
off
and
we
can
get
that
critical
programming
set
up
for
at-risk
families
in
the
city
and
then
just
to
note
that
our
replanting
efforts
our
tree
efforts
this
year,
we
will.
C
C
C
And
finally
it's
I
think,
the
mayor
and
everybody
else
has
been
thanking
our
many
partners
who
have
been
reaching
out
to
us,
and
I
can't
say
enough
for
all
the
many
departments
in
the
city,
all
the
departments
in
the
city
who
have
been
giving
resources,
there's
an
awful
lot
of
work.
That
will
simply
not
happen
this
year.
C
That
should
have
happened
in
my
department
that
includes
park,
maintenance
and
streets
maintenance,
we're
simply
not
going
to
get
to
a
lot
of
the
routine
tasks
that
we
need
to
do
every
year
to
keep
the
city
in
good
condition.
So
we
are
going
to
see
a
hit.
These
tasks
will
have
to
push
to
the
next
season.
We,
of
course,
will
try
to
get
as
much
as
we
can,
but
100
of
our
resources
right
now
are
dedicated
to
the
storm.
C
We
are
working
very
hard
with
the
finance
department
on
how
we
can
capture
every
single
cost
associated
with
this.
We
have
help
from
the
state
and
the
county
for
a
fema
application.
Every
finance
person
in
the
city
is
probably
working
very
hard.
C
As
we
speak,
trying
to
gather
the
most
accurate
information,
we
can
it's
going
to
be
difficult
to
assess
all
the
costs
at
this
point
until
we
discover
the
full
extent
of
the
damage,
but
we'll
do
the
best
we
can
to
give
you
as
much
information
as
we
can
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
again.
That
was
a
very
quick
rundown
of
our
operations.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
having
taken.
D
Thank
you
lorna
thanks,
so
much
for
that
update
and
for
all
of
the
amazing
incredible
work
that
your
departments
are
doing.
I
was
wondering
if
maybe
we
could
get
a
little
bullet
point
of
some
of
the
things
you
mentioned
about,
where
residents
can
call
the
calder
hall
is
working,
but
not
for
tree
services.
D
Things
like
that
that
we
could
maybe
send
an
email
blast
to
our
residents
so
that
we're
helping
field
some
of
those
questions
as
much
as
we
can
so
that
your
team
isn't
just
on
the
phone
trying
to
direct
residents
in
different
places.
But
maybe
you
know
we
oftentimes
send
out
these
email
blasts
to
our
newsletter
resident
people.
Maybe
that
might
be
something
we
can
coordinate
our
staff
and
your
staff
on
kind
of
getting
a
little
bullet
point
together.
If
that
would
work.
C
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
idea,
councilmember
fowler
and
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
also
blasting
out
the
safety
message,
I
don't
think
we
can
emphasize
that
enough,
but
we'll
certainly
coordinate
with
vicky
and
her
team
and
lindsay
to
get
the
most
concise
information
to
you.
E
Mine's
not
really
a
question
but
more
of
a
comment.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
mayor
and
all
of
the
departments
for
their
efforts
in
rose
park.
I
know
it
was.
We
were
hit
so
hard
and
I
know
that
the
community
we
banded
together,
but
still
the
the
amount
of
work
that
has
been
done
in
the
in
the
short
week
that
it's
only
been
a
week.
I
mean
to
think
of
the
amount
of
trees
that
have
been
hauled
out,
but
that
still
have
to
be
hauled
out.
I
am
just
so
appreciative.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
wanted
to
mention
another
effort
that
happened
last
week
in
case
it's
useful
for
a
council
to
just
be
able
to
know
that
we
were
able,
thanks
to
thanks
to
uta
and
things
to
shelter,
the
homeless
and
others
to
quickly
stand
up
an
emergency
shelter
for
our
unsheltered
homeless
neighbors.
F
It
was
for
for
last
tuesday
night
when
we
had
the
storm
going
on,
and
that
was
a
that
was
a
great
effort
by
our
staff.
There,
too,
and
I
think
lauren,
did
a
great
job
of
thanking
all
of
our
other
partners
and
again
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
going
into
this
from
everyone
in
the
city.
F
I
would
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
on
covid
on
a
covet
update.
If,
if
the
council
is
amenable
to
that,
okay.
F
Okay,
so
since
we
last
met
with
you
on
september,
the
1st
we
did
move
to
the
yellow
risk
phase
or
restriction
phase
based
on
the
state
guidelines.
So
we
did
we
made
that
move
on
september
4th,
and
I
think
you
all
are
well
aware
of
this,
but
we
we
made
that
switch
after
over
30
days
of
a
stable
or
downward
trending
data.
F
I
know
that
you've
all
seen
as
I
have
in
the
news,
the
potential
that
we
are
seeing
data
start
to
some
some
of
the
indicators
start
to
trend
back
upwards.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
this
morning
with
the
utah
department
of
health
to
talk
about
those
trends
and
to
talk
about
some
of
those
indicators
that
they're
looking
at.
F
I
have
not
gotten
small
area
data
for
salt
lake
city,
yet
this
week
and
I
didn't
get
it
last
week
either
due
to
some
technical
difficulties
on
the
part
of
the
county,
I'm
expecting
to
get
that
and
be
able
to
pass
that
on
to
you,
but
right
now
I'll
share
with
you
that
our
icu
utilization
rate
in
the
county
is
still
low.
F
The
the
testing
is
still
right
at
the
state
average
and
the
percent
positivity
county
wide
is
about
seven
and
a
half
percent
for
the
seven
day
average,
so
not
as
high
as
what
we
were
seeing
in
july.
F
F
The
other
thing
I
was
hoping
to
talk
with
you
about
today,
well
really
through
related
things.
One
is
the
cdc
eviction
moratorium
that
was
implemented
on
september
1st
and
another
is
some
work
that
we've
been
that
we
just
received
from
the
gardner
policy
institute
on
rental
and
mortgage
assistance
and
how
you
might
best
be
able
in
a
position
to
assist
residents
in
the
coming
months.
F
We
just
received
that
report
earlier
today
from
the
gardner
policy
institute,
but
just
for
the
sake
of
time,
I
know
you
guys
have
a
really
packed
agenda
today,
I'll
reserve,
the
eviction
conversation
and
an
update
on
the
garner
policy
institute
work
for
next
week.
We
can
delve
into
it
a
little
bit
more
thoroughly,
but
I
wanted
to
put
that
on
your
radar
and
we'll
also
make
sure
that
council
staff
has
the
latest
report
from
the
gardner
policies.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
want
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
community
commitment
program.
Remember
our
goal
is
a
two-phase
program
that
allows
our
public
spaces
to
be
clean
and
safe
and
accessible
to
all
residents.
Well,
at
the
same
time,
providing
resources
and
follow-up
to
those
individuals
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
on
our
streets.
B
We
talked
to
you
about
the
program,
the
plan.
During
our
last
meeting,
we
have
some
appraised,
a
presentation
that
I'm
sure
you
don't
have
time
for
today,
but
we're
happy
to
share
it
with
you
and
we've
been
meeting
with
community
groups,
business
owners
etc
to
share
that
information
in
the
last
couple
weeks.
The
first
phase
started
yesterday.
B
That's
that
enhanced
neighborhood,
cleanup
and
camp
cleaning,
and
we
have
the
target
areas
around
toffer
park,
st
mark's
cathedral
area,
the
downtown
core
north
temple
in
several
segments
at
ballpark,
neighborhood,
greenery
area
and
other
areas,
and
then
the
china
has
identified
some
additional
areas
for
cleanup
as
well,
and
some
of
the
services
that
are
out
there
now
include
increased
power,
washing,
of
course,
the,
as
you
know,
the
full
coverage
of
bio
waste,
remediation
and
private
property.
Of
course,
it's
also
on
public
property,
which
we've
always
done.
B
Advantaged
services
can
do
two
to
three
cleanups
per
day
of
biowaste.
You
can
disperse
trash
cans
that
can
be
picked
up
daily
in
different
areas
of
the
city.
Those
dedicated
street
cleaning
teams
are
out
there
and
portable
restrooms
can
be
deployed.
Although
we
haven't
decided
on
these
specific
locations
at
this
point
always
want
to
be
in
that
dialogue
with
the
community
phase
two.
Is
it
we're
under
those
conversations
and
in
that
work
right
now,
we
would
love
to
launch
it
as
soon
as
possible.
We're
aiming
for
the
next
two
weeks
to
kick
that
off.
B
It
will
run
concurrent
with
the
phase
one
part,
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
phase
one
is
12
weeks,
because
that's
the
amount
of
funding
that
we
have
at
the
end
of
the
12
weeks.
We
will
run
out
of
funding
to
do
that.
Enhanced
cleaning
and
we
want
to
keep
in
a
dialogue
with
the
council
about
whether
or
not
we
want
to
extend
that
phase.
Two.
We
don't
see
an
end
date.
We
want
to
keep
going
with
phase
two,
and
that
is
there's
a
timeline
of
outreach.
B
That's
in
the
presentation
that
we
can
share
with
the
counselor
we're
happy
to
bring
it
up
right
now,
if
you
have
the
time
and
the
abatements
resumed
on
september
10th
with
salt
lake
county
health
department.
B
B
That
explains
what
happens
during
the
campaign
and
we
will
be
doubling
down
on
information
that
we
provide
to
people
in
the
area
as
well
as
the
public
about
what
these
efforts
are,
and
we
can
share
that
one
through
with
you
again
right
now,
if
you'd
like,
but
it
may
be
in
your
practice
already
and
we're
happy
to
get
it
out,
so
you
can
share
with
the
public
as
well.
B
Last.
With
regard
to
that
effort,
we're
gonna,
I
want
to
thank
hand
and
council
staff
and
others
who
have
helped
to
make
a
flow
chart
that
we
talked
about
over
the
last
couple
of
meetings
that
can
help
direct
residents
and
business
operators.
Anyone
in
the
downtown
who
sees
an
issue
doesn't
know
whether
it's
the
city
or
the
county
or
to
call
the
police,
and
we
hope
that
that
flow
chart
will
help.
B
This
site
does
not
fit
those
criteria,
though
it's
too
small,
especially
given
the
coveted
restrictions
that
would
have
to
be
in
place.
We
would
not
be
able
to
host
that
number
of
people.
It's
not
zoned
properly
to
host
people
overnight,
and
we
made
a
commitment,
city,
council
and
myself
to
the
sugar
house
community
last
year
that
this
was
a
one-time
solution.
So
we'll
continue
to
dialogue
with
the
salt
lake
valley
coalition
to
end
home
business
to
see
what
other
ideas
they
have
that
fit.
A
A
Okay,
you
said
that
there
were
some
items
that
you
had
that
you
wanted
to
share
on
the
screen.
One
was
a
presentation,
and
the
other
was
that
one
pager
were
those
both
on
the
camp.
Cleanup
items.
A
B
Yeah,
there's
there's
a
number
of
things:
there's
a
presentation
on
the
community
commitment
program
which
doesn't
have
new
information,
but
it
just
packed
it
into
a
presentation
format.
That's
information.
You
already
had
from
the
council
meeting
previous
we're
happy
to
share
the
presentation
with
you.
A
No,
that's
okay,
that
if
it's
the
information,
that's
the
same
in
the
packets
and
that
was
provided
before
that's
that's
fine.
We
probably
better
move
forward
just
because
of
the
number
of
items
we
have
on
the
agenda.
A
If
you
want
to
just
go
ahead
and
send
the
flowchart
to
council
staff-
and
we
can
send
that
out
normally
I'd
say:
let's,
let's
take
a
look
but
as
as
we've
said,
we
were
wearing
it.
We've
got
a
full
agenda,
so
we
probably
better
move
on.
A
Okay,
we
can
move
on
now
to
oh
sorry,
mayor
and
rachel.
Did
you
have
anything
else
as
part
of
your
presentations?
Okay,
then
we
can
go
on
to
so.
We
had
item
number
two
was.
Oh
sorry,
I
think
we
we
covered
item
number
two,
which
was
updates
on
relieving
the
condition
of
people
experiencing
homelessness.
We're
now
on
to
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
updates
on
racial
equity
and.
G
Policies
and
practices
that
other
cities
are
doing
or
exploring
relating
to
racial
equity
and
policing,
and
when
the
council
got
a
briefing
of
that
overview,
one
of
the
things
that
the
council
requested
more
information
on
was
programs
like
the
cahoots
program
in
eugene
oregon,
so
the
mental
crisis
response
programs,
so
we've
been
gathering
some
information
on
different
types
of
programs.
This
is
a
very
high
level,
broad
overview
that
we
wanted
to
focus
on
primarily
mobile
response
teams
and
we've
just
gathered
kind
of
a
survey
of
different
types
of
programs.
G
G
G
They
have
two-person
response
teams
that
go
when
people
are
in
crisis.
They
can
call
the
9-1-1
dispatch
number
and
ask
for
a
mental
health
crisis
response
team
and
a
medic
and
a
crisis
responder
which
can
be
a
trained
social
worker
or
crisis.
Counselor
will
go
out
and
the
majority
of
their
calls
are
welfare
checks.
They
also
do
transport
to
the
medical
services
or
even
other
types
of
transport
calls
they
can
take
people
into
if
they've
got
like
a
bed
waiting
for
them
at
a
treatment
center.
G
There's
some
difference
between
cahoots
numbers
that
they
report
and
eugene
police
departments.
That's
primarily
a
num,
a
matter
of
nomenclature.
The
police
department
will
say
that
there's
not
as
many
diverted
to
cahoots
because
cahoots
actually
covers
a
broader
scope
than
what
would
traditionally
be
have
been
responded
to
by
the
police
department.
G
So
that's
one
of
the
oldest
and
most
established
programs
bobby.
If
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
one,
please
houston
has
a
crisis
call
diversion,
so
this
doesn't
have
physical
responders,
but
they've
had
a
lot
of
success
in
budget
savings
and
in
actually
being
able
to
help
people
by
just
having
trained
mental
health
counselors
as
part
of
their
their
911
response
system.
So
when
people
are
calling
and
they're
in
crisis
being
able
to
pass
them
to
somebody,
who's
trained
to
talk
through
someone
in
crisis
has
has
had
a
lot
of
success.
G
G
Right
denver:
this
is
a
fairly
new
program
that
just
started
this
year.
This
is
funded
through
grant
money,
so
it's
a
pilot
program
they're
only
responding
to
limited
areas
and
limited
times,
but
they're
doing
a
similar
model
to
cahoots
where
they're,
sending
pairs
of
medical,
health
professionals
and
mental
health
professionals
as
physical
responses
that
people
can
call
911
and
request
a
crisis
response
team.
G
G
So
it's
definitely
not
an
immediate
urgent
response,
but
it's.
It
sounds
like
from
brief
preliminary
conversations
with
the
people
at
their
program.
People
can
generally
say:
okay,
yeah.
If
I
can
see
someone
in
two
days,
I
can
make
it
that
long
they've
got
a
lot
of
data
on
their
website
which
is
linked
in
the
staff
report.
G
G
G
What
I
found
worth
noting
in
the
georgia
crisis
and
access
line
is
there's
a
defined
scale
of
when
the
state
recommends
that
a
mental
health
responder
and
a
paramedic
should
respond
to
calls
versus
when
a
police
should
respond
to
calls
and
there's
even
a
chain
of
command
on
who
should
take
the
lead,
depending
on
the
severity
and
urgency
of
the
situation.
So
they
even
have
situations
where
it's
emergent.
G
Albuquerque
new
mexico
this
year
established
a
new
cabinet
level
division
called
the
community
safety
department.
We're
still
waiting
on
more
details
on
that,
but
our
understanding
is
they're
getting
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
community
on
how
to
build
it.
It's
supposed
to
be
a
mental
health
crisis
response
program,
that's
entirely
civilian-led,
so
I
would
imagine
it
would
look
something
like
these
programs,
but
we're
watching
and
we'll
continue
reporting
and
sharing
information
with
the
council.
If
we
hear
more
next
slide.
G
H
Kira,
thank
you
so
much.
This
is
so
interesting
and
cool
information.
I
can
see
that,
like
you,
can
see
that
we
can.
We
can
potentially
use
some
of
these
models.
A
question
on
you
know
in
new
york.
I
think
they
answered
about
180
000
calls,
I
think,
all
right.
What
about
do?
We
have
any
information
on
how
many
people
they
they
actually
go,
see
like
on
the
streets
from
from
them
or
from
other
the
other
programs.
H
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
really
enjoyed
the
memo
actually,
and
it
helps
me
know
that
there
are
other
programs
out
there
that
we
can
build
off
of
that
are
more
developed
than
I
initially
thought.
So
I'm
really
excited
by
this
any
other
comments,
yeah
any
other
comments
or
questions.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Kara.
Let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
four,
which
is
a
demolition
of
dangerous
or
boarded
buildings,
follow-up
briefing
or
actually
we're
a
little
bit
ahead
on
our
agenda.
Do
we
want
to
take
one
out
of
order
so
that
and
keep
this
one
at
the
time
certain
nick.
A
A
A
I
E
All
right
thanks,
mr
chair,
I
will
just
to
let
you
know
how
we'll
lay
out
this
briefing.
E
Excuse
me
I'll
give
a
quick
historical
reminder
of
how
we
got
to
where
we're
at
after
that
orion
or
someone
from
his
staff
will
give
a
summary
of
the
proposed
changes
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
be
ready
for
council
questions.
There
have
there
is
some
heightened
increase
or
some
heightened
public
in
interest.
In
this
item
we
received
some
emails
yesterday
from
the
ballpark
community
council.
We
know
downtown
alliance.
Downtown
business
owners
are
interested
in
this
as
well.
E
So
there
are
a
lot
of
questions,
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
topic
right
now,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
give
a
good
brief
and
get
some
of
what's
going
on.
So
this
is
a
briefing
on
proposed
changes
to
the
city's
demolition
and
boarded
buildings
ordinance.
E
This
came
about
in
2012.
The
council
adopted
an
ordinance
that
significantly
significantly
changed
the
demolition
ordinance.
It
was
done
in
part
due
to
some
large
properties
being
demolished
and
then
left
vacant
for
a
long
time,
and
at
that
time
the
council
was
concerned
about
the
impact
of
vacant
lots
on
the
community,
so
those
changes
were
done
to
ensure
that
demolitions
would
not
occur
without
a
reuse
plan.
E
E
So
in
2016,
then,
council,
member
lisa
adams,
district
7
worked
with
orion's
group
to
talk
about
the
demolition
ordinance
and
she
got
the
council
to
adopt
the
legislative
actions
requesting
a
review
of
the
demolition
ordinance
and
then
to
come
back
to
for
the
administration
to
do
make
that
review
and
then
come
back
with
some
proposed
changes.
E
So
that's
what
we're
considering
now.
These
actually
came
back
to
the
council.
Last
year,
in
2019
we
had
a
briefing
there
were
some
follow-up
questions
and
then,
just
due
to
the
course
of
a
busy
agenda,
the
council
was
not
able
to
bring
it
back
on
the
agenda
up
until
this
point.
E
I
Thanks
nick
and
thanks
council
chair
and
greetings
to
all
the
council
members
thanks
for
your
time
today,
I
know
that
this
is
a
really
important
issue
to
us,
but
we're
we're
very
grateful
that
you're
willing
to
take
the
time
in
these
unsettled
times
to
to
listen
to
this.
What
nick
said
is
exactly
right:
we've
been
working
on
this
for
quite
a
while
lisa
adams
was
our
champion.
I
We
met
with
her
several
times
to
take
input
and
based
upon
the
conversations
that
we
had
with
her
and
other
departments
and
divisions.
I
We
proposed
this
new,
this
new
ordinance
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
now
it's
three
sections:
it's
2.2.1,
which
is
in
in
adjustment
to
the
language
in
our
hab
powers
and
authority,
and
it's
1848,
which
is
specific
to
repair,
vacation
and
boarding
of
dangerous
buildings,
and
it
provides
us
with
much
better
definitions
of
what
constitutes
a
dangerous
building
uses
a
national
standard
for
that,
and
then
it's
1864,
which
is,
which
is,
is
the
big
hitter.
I
The
actual
demolition
ordinance
itself
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
thought
might
be
helpful,
is
if,
if
we
go
to
the
strike
and
bold
copy,
you
can
follow
me
on
the
lines
if
you'd
like
to
starting
with
2.2030.
I
We
just
made
a
very
small
adjustment
to
that
that
clarifies
habb's
responsibilities.
That's
on
line
27
and
it
you
know
some
of
the
have
powers
are
going
to
stay
exactly
the
same
housing
advisory
and
appeals
board
has
had,
and
then,
if
you'll
see
in
on
line
44,
we
just
change
that
a
little
bit
to
reference
deciding
appeals
to
1848.
I
So
when
citizens
or
property
owners
are
not
happy
with
us,
the
decisions
we
made,
then
the
have
board
who
are
already
hearing
appeals
on
demolitions
will
have
the
ability
to
do
that
to
make
that
decision.
And
then,
if
you
go
to
line
427
you'll
see
that
that
is
1848.
I
I
It's
the
purpose
of
the
dangerous
building
could
provide
equitable
and
practical
methods
to
require
the
repair,
vacation
or
temporary
boarding
of
buildings
or
structures
that
endanger
the
life,
limb,
health,
morals,
property
safety
or
welfare
of
the
general
public
or
the
occupants,
and
so
the
provisions
of
this
dangerous
building
code
that
we're
that
we're
going
to
hopefully
have
a
more
orderly
process
for
boarding
in
relationship
to
the
total
building
stock
in
salt
lake
city.
I
We
don't
really
have
that
many
boarding
buildings,
but
where
we
do
have
border
buildings,
they're
super
impactful
on
neighborhoods
and
they're
also
super
impactful
on
our
agencies
that
are
first
responders,
like
the
police
department
and
the
fire
department,
because
they
become
a
dangerous
nuisance
and
then
in
1864,
which
is
which
is
the
demolition
permit.
We're
online
I'm
online
number
1461.
I
I
So
if
you
go
to
line
1461,
it
gives
you
an
idea
about
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
in
those
intent
statements-
and
you
know
our
number
one
line
item
in
the
previous
ordinance
talked
about.
It
was
more
skewed
towards
keeping
those
buildings
at
all
cost
so
that
we
didn't
have
a
broken
tooth
in
the
neighborhood,
so
to
speak.
I
But
our
number
one
idea
here,
our
number
one
purpose-
is
promote
public
warfare
by
maintaining
the
integrity
and
continuity
of
the
of
the
urban
fabric
and
economic
vitality,
provide
an
orderly
and
predictable
process
for
demolition
of
buildings
and
structures
where
appropriate,
interior
demolition
occurs
safely.
I
Protect
utilities
and
other
infrastructure
from
damage
provide
for
enforcement
of
time
of
completion
of
demolition,
for
improvement
of
property
following
demolition
to
ensure
the
site
is
not
detrimental
to
the
use
and
enjoyment
of
surrounding
property,
provide
for
enforcement
and
maintenance
of
property
to
avoid
purposeful
demolition
by
neglect,
and
I'm
sure
that's
something
that
we'll
have
a
little
more
of
a
conversation
about
and
then
also
encourage
preservation
of
the
city's
housing
stock,
where
it's
appropriate
and
so
those
those
are
the
intents
and
the
purposes,
and
we
feel
pretty
strongly
that
the
ordinance
that
we
have
will
give
us
much
better
tools
for
doing
that.
I
And
I
have
we
have
a
number
of
other
departments
and
divisions
that
are
represented
as
well
as
a
couple
of
managers
from
our
division
from
civil
enforcement.
Antonio
padilla,
his
crew.
They
check
up
on
boarded
buildings,
monthly,
all
the
border
buildings
monthly
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
that's
a
that's
a
pretty
dynamic
atmosphere.
You
know.
Sometimes
those
buildings
will
be
boarded
and
the
next
day
they'll
be
broken
into,
and
people
will
be
in
them
with
warming
fires
and
doing
all
kinds
of
things
that
we
would.
I
Rather,
they
didn't
do,
and
then
I
also
have
with
us
greg
nikolas
and
greg
is
the
one
who
has
supervised
the
activities
of
the
current
ordinance.
So
it's
been
his
responsibility
all
along
to
be
sure
that
we
are
adhering
as
closely
as
possible
to
the
ordinance.
That's
currently.
In
effect,
the
two
issues
that
that
lisa
had
identified
and
that
and
that
we've
been
tracking
pretty
carefully,
is
the
issue
of
requiring
landscaping.
I
So
antonio
and
greg
are
both
here,
they're
very
experienced
and
if
they
feel
that
I'm
getting
into
trouble
on
any
of
these
things
that
I
I'm
acting
like
I'm
an
expert
on
they
can
raise
their
hands
and
and
we'll
bring
them
in,
and
let
them
tell
us
exactly
what's
going
on.
J
Yeah,
I
have
a
couple
questions
if
you
don't
mind.
First
of
all,
thank
you.
This
is
something
that
my
community's
been
asking
for
for
a
really
long
time
and
and
has
we've
seen
a
lot
of
imported
buildings
in
district
five
that
have
caused
crime,
become
crime,
magnets,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
appreciate
this.
The
work
you've
done
on
this
one
question
is:
with
the
boarded
building
fees.
J
K
If
a
property
owner
decides
they
want
to
maintain
a
building
boarded,
they
are
required
to
pay
a
first
initial
fee
of
836
dollars
and
that
that's
just
kind
of
to
mo
to
encourage
them
to
fix
the
building,
because
sometimes
all
we
have
is
just
one
or
two
broken
windows
and
the
836
dollars
might
be
enough
to
to
motivate
them
to
fix
those
broken
windows
and
basically,
what
we
tell
them
is.
K
So
that's
even
more
of
a
of
an
encouragement
to
fix
their
their
property
and
to
make
it
look
decent
and
mitigate
blight.
J
And
so
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
is
that
the
same
for
like
a
small
single
family,
residence
and
office
building,
for
instance,.
K
It
is
yeah,
there's
no
distinction
in
with
that,
so
we
charged
the
one
fee
per
parcel.
J
Okay,
and
then
is
that
inc
does
that
I
mean
I
know
that
fees
need
to
be
justified.
Do
we
include
the
cost
of
like
police
and
buyer
response,
to
boarded
and
abandoned
buildings
in
calculating
those
fees?
J
K
As
far
as
I
know,
we're
not
recouping
those
costs
there
and
you're
right,
there's
a
few,
a
few
properties
that
cause
disproportionate
resources,
and
it's
just
that
flat
fee
for
for
a
boarded
building.
If
a
property
meets
the
definition
of
a
board
building,
then
we
can
require
that
they
pay
those
fees.
But
I
don't.
The
fee
does
not
change.
J
Okay,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
something
that
I
I
want
to
at
least
think
about.
If
there's
specific
problem
properties
is
there
a
way
to
recoup
the
cost
of
the
city
is
incurring
in
responding
to
that.
J
If
you
have
a
couple
other
questions,
if
it's
okay,
mr
chair
yeah,
go
ahead,
the
cl
on
the
housing
there's
a
section
that
I
read
that
how
it's
housing
there's
a
mitigation
process.
Is
that
the
same
as
any
other
housing
lost
mitigation,
or
is
there
something
different
about
a
demolition
like
it
seemed
like?
If
it
was
going
to
result
in
the
loss
of
net
loss
of
housing,
then
the
building
administrator
could
make
a
determination.
I
Yeah
the
account
spender
models.
We
have.
We
have
chosen
to
leave
that
housing
litigation
piece
out
of
this
ordinance,
because
it's
something
that
hand
is
working
on
getting
their
arms
around
that.
So
we're
going
to
that's
going
to
remain
the
way
it
is
for
now
and
hopefully,
fairly
soon,
we'll
have
a
new
ordinance
that
makes
it
so
that
we
can
legitimately
recoup
housing
mitigation
loss
when
we
lose
residential
units.
I
J
I
J
E
Mr
chair,
my
my
question
would
just
piggybacks
off
councilmember
manos
yeah,
and
that
is
why
wouldn't
we
want
this
ordinance
tied
to
you
know
the
future
mitigation
loss,
housing
mitigation
laws.
I
I
J
Okay,
my
last
question
has
to
do
with
like
there's
a
section
that
talks
about
nuisance
structures,
and
so
I
wondered
if
we
could,
if
you
could
explain
that,
a
little
bit
and
specifically
where
there's
structures
that
are
that
could
be
deemed
a
nuisance
by
the
ordinance
which
seems
pretty
clear
in
what
it
defines
as
that,
but
when
the
property
owner
themselves
is
not
interested
in
demolishing
it,
what
what
does
this?
What
can
the
city
do?
In
that
case,.
I
Yeah,
actually,
this
new
ordinance
council
member
makes
it
easier
for
us
to
declare
a
nuisance.
What
we've
done
here
is
we've
pretty
much
completely
replaced
our
old
1848
section
with
the
national
code,
the
uniform
code
for
the
abatement
of
dangerous
buildings
in
that
code.
In
the
third
chapter
it
gives
18
different
means
to
determine
what
a
dangerous
building
is
and
thus
a
nuisance
building,
and
so
I
think
that
our
tools
are
enhanced
by
this.
H
I
want
to,
I
want
to
go
back
to
darren's
first
question
about
the
fees.
D
H
So,
of
course
you
have
that
fee
of
800
or
so,
but
if,
depending
on,
if
this
property,
one
of
the
properties
has
a
few
phone
calls
from
the
police
department
or
the
fire
department,
because
they
haven't
kept
up
or
for
whatever
reason
we
it's
a
problem
property.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
attach
like
an
extra
feel
or
an
extra
penalty
to
incentivize
the
proper
owners
to
take
care
of
it?.
I
Council,
remember
voldemort.
That
is
something
that
we
could
look
into.
Currently,
that's
not
built
into
it.
You,
you
all
set
the
fees
each
year
during
the
budget
time
and
those
fees
have
gone
up.
You
know
over
the
years
proportionate
to
the
other
fees
but
yeah.
I
I
think
that
there
are
disproportionate
calls
for
service
to
the
police
department
and
the
fire
department,
and-
and
I
think
there
are
jurisdictions
across
the
country
that
have
models
where
an
owner
is
charged
for
that
now,
the
only
problem
with
that
is,
and
it's
something
that
we
bump
into
all
the
time
buildings
that
get
to
this
condition
rarely
have
a
owner
that
is
present
and
attentive
and
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
A
lot
of
these
buildings
are
in
a
situation
where
they're
not
responsible
owners
or
they're
caught
up
in
a
family
trust
and
the
family
members
can't
decide
on
how
they
want
to
deal
with
them
and
so
collecting
that
money.
Once
you
get
the
judgment
right,
for
example,
if
we
had
many
police
calls
and
fire
calls,
and
we
could
put
a
cost
on
that
actually
collecting
that
money
is
very
difficult.
I
Currently,
what
we
do
for
boarding
keys
is
we
lean
the
title
and
then
the
property
can't
change
hands
or
be
refinanced
until
until
we're
reimbursed
that
money-
and
that
goes
into
our
revolving
fund.
But
the
problem
is
most
of
the
judges
are
well,
I
don't
think
most
of
them,
but
some
of
the
judges
are
very
susceptible
to
sob
stories
from
these
owners,
and
so
we
we
rarely
get
anywhere
near
what
we've
assessed
just
usually
pennies
on
the
dollar.
J
I
guess
that
seems
like
it
could
be
cool,
though,
to
get
these
property
owners
that
are
not
interested
in
working
on
their
properties
to
compel
them
to
invest
in
the
property.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
where
the
question
comes
from.
Is
that
exact
situation
that
you
just
referenced
and
I
understand
the
difficulty
of
collecting
the
fee
itself,
but
it
could
at
least
be
a
tool
to
sure
to
have
a
little
bit
of
teeth
with
getting
some
of
these
really
neglected
properties
rectified.
I
Sure
for
sure,
we'll
look
into
that
for
sure.
H
Right
and
then
the
thing
is
that
these
are
like
public
hazard
and
safety
hazards.
You
know
for
for
a
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
and
for
our
city
in
general
and
we're
using
you
know
our
resources
just
because
somebody
cannot
get
along
with
a
family
member
to
figure
out
what
they're
gonna
do
their
property
like.
That's
something
that
it's
affecting
you
know
a
lot
of
our
a
lot
of
our
neighbors
and
our
constituents
and
our
city
and
we're
using
fire
departments
just
to
go.
You
know.
E
H
Anyway,
so
you
you
get
the
pictures
I
feel
like
we.
I
would
like
to
see
something
like
even
stronger
like
or
a
stronger
message
to.
You
know
to
these
situations
where
we're
saying
no,
like
I'm
sorry,
we
you
have
to
figure
something
out,
or
these
are
the
things
that
these
are
the
consequences
and
the
things
that
the
city
can
do
sure.
So,
I'm
not
sure
I
don't
know
I
don't.
H
I
don't
know
what
it
could
be,
but
I
feel
like
maybe
something
something
that
sends
a
stronger
message,
because
in
my
district
we've
had
several
several
fires
on
different
vacant.
You
know
structures
and
it's
dangerous.
Like
I
mean
a
whole
block
right.
I
L
Thank
you,
council,
member
baltimore,
good
point.
Yes,
from
our
perspective,
these
buildings
are
not
only
a
hazard
for
the
occupants,
whether
that
be
you
know,
someone
experiencing
homelessness
or
just
some
young
kids
playing
in
those
areas,
but
they're
a
hazard
to
the
firefighters,
because
we
end
up
responding
to
a
building
that
may
or
may
not
have
already
been
impacted
by
fire
or
weather
damage
or
whatever
it
may
be.
L
The
structural
integrity
of
that
building
may
be
compromised
for
sure,
so
we're
putting
firefighters,
public
safety
officers
in
that
building,
to
try
and
put
that
fire
out
to
save
property
and,
of
course,
to
search
for
lives
inside
which
puts
us
in
a
hazard
zone
and
oftentimes,
we
believe
unnecessarily.
If
the
building
was
just
raised
so
yeah,
it
is
a
heavy
impact.
I
Thanks
chief,
we
may
have
someone
from
the
police
department
out
also
that
wants
to
talk
about
their
disproportionate
services
to
these
types
of
buildings.
E
Chief
mike
brown
council,
member
of
voldemort
you're
absolutely
right
many
times
these
buildings
they
become
nuisance
buildings
when
they're
boarded
up.
E
We
get
all
types
of
calls
for
trespassing
people
inside
where
we
have
to
go
in
sometimes
very
dangerous
buildings
and
clear
them
and
and
make
sure
that
somebody
is
isn't
in
there
so
the
same
and
make
sure
somebody
is
the
same
perspective
as
falls
to
the
police
side.
Is
they
there
there's
a
better
way,
and
we
should
deal
with
these
buildings
different
because
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
we're
in.
E
I
Yeah
and
chief,
you
guys
have
done
that
for
us
during
this.
In
the
past
four
years,
we've
done
a
lot
of
nuisance
abatement
buildings
and
your
guys
have
been
excellent
at
giving
us
the
numbers,
exact
numbers
of
how
many
calls
they've
had
for
service
to
these
sites,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we
take
into
consideration
when
we
declare
a
nuisance
and
allow
it
to
be
demolished.
I
N
Thanks
a
lot
for
this,
this
is
a
great
discussion.
I
appreciate
it
very
much,
I'm
getting
educated
every
day
when
I
come
to
these
meetings,
so
I
appreciate
it
on
this
account.
Could
you
kind
of
walk
through
the
timeline
from
a
building
becomes
a
nuisance
when
we
mark
it
as
nuisance
to
when
we
could
demolish
it
and
the
timeline?
How
that
evolves?
N
I
A
lot
of
that
is
based
upon
complaints
that
we
get
from
the
public
or
a
lot
of
times
the
police
of
the
fire
department
having
gone
there
and
seen
the
conditions
they
will.
Let
us
know
what's
going
on
and
you
know
sometimes,
if
they're,
if
it's
occupied
by
people
that
are
unauthorized,
then
they'll
actually
accompany
us
to
the
site
so
that
we
can
clear
the
building
and
we
always
want
to
make
sure
the
building
is
cleared
before
we
board
it.
I
Antonio,
do
you
want
to
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
initially
get
these
into
the
process
into
your
process?
Reporting.
K
Yeah,
absolutely
so,
if
we
have
complaints
of
an
unsecured
building
will
conduct
a
site
visit
and
issue
a
notice
and
order
immediately
requesting
that
the
property
owner
secure
the
property
from
an
authorized
entry,
and
if
they
don't
do
that
within
10
days,
we
have
a
company
on
contract
that
will
go
out
there
on
that
11th
day
or
12th
day
and
get
that
property
secured,
and
so
those
are
fees
that
we
incur
in
you
know
not
related
to
the
permit
fees
to
the
annual
fees.
These
are
separate.
K
These
are
costs
that
we
pay
up
front
to
the
to
our
contractor,
and
then
we
recruit
those
costs
by
asking
the
property
owner
to
pay
them
now,
if
they
don't
pay,
we
have
a
very
smooth
process
to
just
clean
the
the
title.
So
we
pretty
much,
you
know
we
always
recoup
those
costs,
but
that's
how
that
that
process
works
and
if
I
can
add
that
you
know,
I
think
this
ordinance
change
is
definitely
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
K
A
lot
of
the
property
owners
that
we
deal
with
are
they're
frustrated
because
they
they
want
to
demolish
the
property.
They
don't
want
to
see
the
property
become
a
nuisance
just
as
much
as
we
don't,
but
there's
that
roadblock
that
they
right
now
under
the
current
organs,
they
have
to
have
a
reuse.
K
If
they
don't
rack
up
those
police
calls
and
those
fire
calls,
then
we
can't
declare
a
nuisance,
so
they're
kind
of
stuck.
They
want
to
fix
the
issue
and
they
usually
turn
around
and
blame
it
on
us.
You
know
you,
as
the
city
are
allowing
transients
to
to
break
into
proper
private
property,
and
and
so
it's
a
difficult
situation
for
them,
and
I
I
believe
that
maybe
maybe
about
half
of
the
buildings
we
monitor
or
the
property
owners
that
have
buildings
that
we
monitor
they.
K
I
think
they
they
would
be
interested
in
pursuing
a
demolition
and
and
getting
rid
of
these
nuisance
properties.
N
N
I
That's
right,
yep,
that's
one
of
the
criteria
that
we
wrote
in
there
for
specifically,
for
the
reason
that
antonio
said
and
antonio
brings
a
real
good
perspective
to
this,
because
he's
been
doing
this
for
quite
a
few
years,
and
now
he
supervises
that
group,
but
they're
in
touch
with
those
owners
constantly
and
at
least
half
of
those
owners.
Right
now,
I
believe
half
of
the
84
buildings
that
we
have
out
there
right
now
would
pursue
a
demolition
permit.
I
If
this
ordinance
changes
so
you'd,
you
would
eliminate
almost
immediately
40
buildings
that
are
that
are
causing
disproportionate
calls
for
service
to
the
police
and
fire
department
and
are
causing
an
eyesore
in
these
neighborhoods.
Now
the
other
48
or,
however
many
we
have
they're
the
ones
that
have
these
issues
with
the
owners.
You
know
where
they
can't
they
can't
get
their
act
together
and
so
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
push
them
along
in
that.
I
But
if
you
require
them
to
have
a
building
permit
in
their
hand
for
the
replacement
use,
many
of
those
won't
do
it
and
can't
do
it
so
good
point,
antonio
thanks
for
that.
I'm.
J
I'm
still
a
little
confused.
Is
there
a
process
for
the
city,
I'm
looking
at
line
861
of
the
ordinance,
and
it
says
that
if
it's
declared
a
nuisance
then
it
could
be
abated
by
repair,
vacation
or
boarding.
It
does
not
include
demolition
in
that.
So
is
there
a
process
that
the
city
could
that
we
could
go
in
and
demolish
the
building
if
it's
determined
that
it
needs
to
be
demolished
or
that's
not
included
in
the
city's
right.
J
Thank
you.
The
reason
I
ask
is
there's
a
specific
property
which
I
think
everyone's
aware
of
that,
where
the
property
owner
has,
I
think,
agreed
that
they
would
be
okay
with
it
being
demolished,
but
they're
not
willing
to
pay
for
that.
So
I'm
going
to
process
that
the
city
could
go
in
demolish
that
it
would
stop
being
a
spot
where
the
police
all
the
time
and
then
the
costs
of
that
demolition
could
then
be
recouped
at
the
time
at
which
it
was
sold.
I
don't
that's
a
possibility,
but.
I
We
can
do
that.
We
have
the
tools
to
do
that
now,
but
we
really
most
people
are
not
going
to
agree
to
that
because
they
want
to
have
the
ability
to
do
what
they
want
with
the
title
and
if
the
title
is
clouded,
you
would
have
some
kind
of
a
technical
connection
on
if
the
money
would
be
in
escrow
to
cover
that
or
how
would
they
do
that?
It's
a
creative
idea.
We
would
support
it,
but
the
ordinance
isn't
specific
to
that.
At
this
point,.
A
I
No
we're
eliminating
the
council
councilmember,
we
are
eliminating
that
requirement
and
I'll
tell
you
I'll
give
you
just
my
quick
and
dirty
assessment
of
that.
The
people
who
have
allowed
these
buildings
to
lapse
into
the
condition
that
they're
in
are
very
unlikely
to
maintain
landscaping,
even
if
we
force
them
to
install
it.
So
that's
one
issue.
I
The
other
issue
is
a
lot
of
those
houses.
Don't
even
have
a
water
meter,
because
they're
close
to
occupancy
and
one
of
the
ways
we
discourage
occupancy
is
not
having
running
water.
So
that's
a
big
issue.
I
think
we
might
have
someone
on
from
public
utilities
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
water,
meter
situation,
jason
or
laura.
Are
you
out
there.
E
Yeah
we
do
allow
for
an
irrigation
meter.
The
hard
part
is,
if
there's
nobody
paying
that
meter
or,
if
nobody's
on
site,
it's
hard
to
maintain
that
as
a
meter.
But
we
do
allow
a
meter
to
remain
if
it's
on
site
or
we
could
allow
an
irrigation
meter
to
be
installed.
We
could
probably
look
at
reduced
fees
because
it's
irrigation
only
for
that,
but
that
is
an
option
that
that
we
could
leave
open
for
these.
I
Yeah
yeah,
currently
the
good
numbers
that
don't
have
meters
because
of
lack
of
payment
or
or
maybe
they're
just
locked,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
council
councilmember
wharton.
The
other
piece
of
that
is
if
people
fail
to
install
that
landscape.
I
The
previous
ordinance
didn't
give
us
any
good
guidance
on
what
the
bond
would
look
like
to
install
that
landscaping
later.
In
fact,
the
language
that's
in
there
now
is
in
1864.
I
Oh,
it
says
that
that
bond
only
has
to
be
approved
by
the
acidity
attorney,
and
then
this
is
the
line
that
that
usually
gets
us
into
trouble
may
include
any
commercially
reasonable
method
to
bond,
and
so,
when
the
ordinance
went
into
effect
in
2012,
we
did
have
a
couple
that
we
took
bonds
from
and
they
and
then
they
never
landscaped
and
their
deals
fell
apart
and,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
developers
put
deals
together
and
sometimes
those
deal
a
lot
of
times.
I
Those
deals
fall
apart
and
usually
the
ones
that
proceed
are
partnerships
that
include
a
bunch
of
different
groups
anyway
long
story
short.
We
had
no
success
in
capturing
the
kind
of
bonds
that
we
were
collecting
and
I
think
the
only
way
that
you
could
make
that
work
is
if
it
was
a
cash
bond
and
that
we
were
the
state
of
beneficiary.
I
Then
I'm
trying
not
to
be
too
negative
here,
but
the
other
piece
of
that
is
even
if
we
could
capture
the
bond
if
it
was
a
cash
bond,
it
puts
us
the
city
in
the
position
of
being
a
landscape
contractor
or
hiring
a
landscape
contractor,
and
then
to
make
it
even
worse.
You
know
once
it's
installed,
then
it
puts
us
in
the
position
of
being
landscape
maintenance,
crew
to
be
sure
that
that
landscaping
is
taken
care
of,
and
you
know,
who's
going
to
pay
for
that.
I
So
I
understand
there
are
some
strong
feelings
out
there
that
people
would
rather
have
a
landscape
lot.
There's
also
been
that
discussion
about
the
broken
tooth,
look
in
the
neighborhood,
but
that's
just
one
of
the
things
that
you
guys
as
policy
makers
are
going
to
have
to
discuss.
I
I
A
Well
so
my
question
is:
is
it
sounds
like
you're
saying
or
it's
your
recommendation
and
it's
fire
and
pd's
recommendation
that
the
cost
of
not
having
this
broken
tooth
policy
or
not
having
vacant
lots
outweigh
the
benefits
of
requiring
that
a
building
stay
there,
but
is
there
any
evidence
or
in
your
guys's
experience
that
that
having
a
pop
that
this
broken
tooth
policy
actually
doesn't
like
this
encourages
the
thing
that
we
want
the
current
ordinance
to
do?
A
Does
it
does
it
incentivize
property
owners
to
do
what
we
want
them
to
do,
or
are
you
saying
that
it's
just
like
that
that,
theoretically,
in
2012,
the
council
thought
that
that
was
going
to
work,
and
it
just
never
did.
I
Now,
in
general,
I
think
what
antonio
said
is
a
is
a
really
good
point
out
of
84
boarded
buildings
that
we're
charging
fees
to
and
antonio
groups
visiting
monthly,
and
they
could
be
using
their
time
doing
something
else
for
sure
at
least
40
of
those
are
willing
currently
to
take
down
those
buildings,
if
we'll
issue
a
permit
without
a
replacement
use.
I
So
that
is
40
buildings,
where
our
police
department
will
not
have
to
respond
to
calls
that
put
their
first
responders
in
danger
and
also
provide
attractive
nuisance
to
you
know
anybody
that
has
nefarious
desire
right.
Anybody,
that's
looking
for
shelter
in
the
storm
and
pulling
those
kinds
of
of
people
into
the
neighborhood
that
could
cause
some
kind
of
nuisance.
I
So
I
I
think
I
mean
my
personal
opinion
is
that
we've
seen
a
pretty
good
example
in
the
last
eight
years
that
landscaping
and
the
replacement
use
hasn't
really
got
us
what
we
wanted
to
do,
in
fact,
it
might
have
done
the
opposite
by
not
allowing
people
that
wanted
to
take
them
down
to
take
them
down
quickly.
A
A
That
is
the
answer
to
look
at
strengthening
like
eminent
domain
or
is
the
answer
to
try
to
find
something
that's
in
between
what
our
law
is
now
and
what
what
this
would
propose,
because
this
seems
like
it's
kind
of
swinging
the
other
way
and
are
we
going
to
be
back
in
a
couple?
You
know
in,
however,
many
years
because
the
the
next
the
new
council
feels
that
it
was
better
under
2012.
I
Why
really
that's
why
that
debate
went
on
for
four
years
previously,
council
member,
it
really
did
go
on
for
four
years
and
even
outside
council
was
hired
to
help
us
get
that
ordinance
completed
many
jurisdictions
that
are
struggling
with
this,
for
example,
in
the
city
of
detroit
they've
they've
done
demolition
to
12
000
buildings
in
the
last
five
years,
and
and
they
did
that
through
a
housing
authority
or
something
similar
where
the
city
actually
came
up
with
funds
to
buy
those
buildings
and
then
have
the
lots
available
for
first-time
homebuyers
or
even
for
affordable
housing
and
wherever
that
was
appropriate.
A
Because
I
I
mean
I
can
see
an
empty
lot
also,
you
know
attracting
these
things
that
we're
saying
that
we
don't
want
like
camping,
and
you
know
why
why
wouldn't
people
go
camping
in
a
vacant
lot
or
why
wouldn't
or
maybe
people
are
like
doing
illegal
dumping
there
or
something
like
that
like?
I
just
don't
know
that
this
is
gonna
that
it's
gonna
necessary.
A
I
can
see
why
it
would
be
safer
to
go
into
a
field
than
it
would
be
to
go
into
like
a
rickety-burning
building,
and
I
get
that,
but
but
maybe
there
are
the
same
unintended
consequences
on
the
other
side,
there's
something
I
can't
think
of.
That's
really
bad
that
happens
in
a
field
or
something
like
that.
Is
there
anything
about
that
that
you
would
caution.
I
Maybe
the
police
and
fire
department,
as
they
respond
to
those
calls
they
could.
They
could
give
their
opinion
on
that
chief
or
chief.
L
Well,
this
is
chief
lead
council,
member
wharton.
I
I
think
that
we
are
much
less
concerned
about
obviously
responding
to
a
campsite
or
any
form
of
you
know
temporary
occupation
to
a
vacant
lot
than
we
are
to
a
building.
For
those
exact
reasons,
you
just
said
what
we
find
is
when
the
weather
gets
cold.
In
particular,
we
find
ourselves
going
on
a
lot
of
calls
for
structure
fires
in
buildings
that
have
been
boarded
up
and
even
fenced
off,
and
it's
just
a
bad
situation.
A
L
So
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
as
chief
obviously
council
member,
the
risk
of
going
into
a
structure
far
outweighs
you
know
the
potential
for
similar
problems
on
a
vacant
lot.
So
I'm
I'm
a
I'm
a
large
advocate
for
this.
This
revised
version
of
the
code.
E
I'll,
just
I'll
just
quickly
follow
up
on
chief
lee.
I
think
those
boarded
up
derelict
structures
tend
to
invite
people
in
in
different
situations
in
crime
and
different
things
that
we
respond
to.
We
respond
to
all
the
time
where
a
lot
is
much
more
open
and
visible.
We
can
see
what's
occurring
there
and,
like
chief
leap
talks
about
during
the
winter
times,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
times
those
the
camping
issues
and
things
you're
talking
about,
aren't
occurring
there.
M
A
Okay,
just
I
just
have
one
last
question,
which
is:
why
are
we
doing
one
fee
per
parcel
instead
of
one
fee
per
building
like
if
there's
a
parcel
that
has
multiple
buildings
shouldn't
we
be
doing
signing
all
of
them.
K
Yeah,
that's
a
very
good
question
right
now.
I
can't
think
of
a
lot
of
properties
that
have
that
situation
most,
I
would
say,
95
of
the
properties
we
monitor.
They
just
have
the
one
building.
A
A
O
Thinking-
okay,
just
that
I
did
work
at
the
city
before
the
2012
ordinance
and
the
city,
it
wasn't
perfect,
then
it
was
more
of
a
a
medium.
It
didn't
have
landscaping
required
in
all
circumstances,
so
the
2012
is
extreme.
O
I
think
that
it's
possible
that
this
replacement
might
be
extreme
in
the
other
direction,
because
you
absolutely
want
to
deal
with
the
fire
and
police
safety
issues.
No
question
about
that,
but
you
don't
at
the
same
time,
have
to
throw
out
the
some
of
the
proper
maintenance
requirements
and
things
like
that.
O
It
really
created
a
neighborhood
quality
of
life
issue
when
the
city
didn't
have
a
mechanism
to
require
some
landscaping,
so
basic
law
maintenance
and
things
like
that
can
be
handled
exactly
in
the
way
that
orion
described
this
as
that
he
uses
to
handle
weed
maintenance
or
weed
weed
abatement.
So
I
think
there
are
solutions
here
that
are
a
little
less
drastic
than
the
extreme
of
no
no
maintenance
requirement
for
the
property
owners
once
they
bring
their
building
down.
O
So
those
those
might
be
areas
that
the
council
would
want
to
just
take.
A
look
at
the
bonding
thing,
I
know,
is
a
problem
that
has
occurred
in
the
past,
but
I
I
thought
that
we
had
some
workable
solutions
to
that.
O
O
We
couldn't
get
enough
data
together
to
come
up
with
the
pricing
for
what
it
would
what
what
these
each
visit
of
the
police
and
fire,
what
what
the
impact
is,
what
the
cost
impact
of
that
is,
and
we
couldn't
get
the
properties
tagged
in
the
systems
and,
of
course,
that'll
be
much
easier
with
today's
technology,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
if
a
property
owner
wants
to
preserve
their
building
but
isn't
maintaining
it,
there
may
be
some
way
we
could
work
with
the
attorney's
office
to
be
sure
that
that
we're
capturing
the
fully
loaded
police
and
fire
costs,
including
risk,
hopefully,
if
those,
if
those
property
owners
want
to
keep
their
buildings
with
without
proper
boarding.
O
So
anyway,
those
are
just
a
few
ideas.
I
think
there's
some.
This
ordinance
goes
a
long
ways
to
get
things
resolved,
probably
a
few
little
fixes.
If
the
council
is
interested
in
tweaking
it
a
little
bit.
A
Yeah,
I
guess,
and
thanks
for
clarifying
cindy,
that
I
like
I
would
vote
for
this
ordinance
for
the
public
safety
reasons
that
not
putting
responders
in
danger.
But
I
my
hesitation
is
about
like
landscaping
and
and
isn't
there
some
way
to
mitigate
this.
The
the
gap
tooth
part
just
to
clarify.
I
Yeah,
so
maybe
there
is
one
possibility
that
I
could
recommend
short
of
going
to
that
whole
bonding
issue
again,
and
that
is,
we
could
put
a
reference
in
this
ordinance
that
would
put
people
into
daily
fines
if
they
fail
to
maintain
the
landscaping,
that's
required
in
that
zone,
and
I
think,
and
that's
a
pretty
minor
tweak
and
daily
fines
has
been
seemed
to
be
a
motivator
to
some
people
over
the
years.
You
know,
regardless
of
of
whether
we
ever
collect
it
because
of
what
happens
in
some
kind
of
a
adjudication
process.
K
Absolutely,
if
I
may
add,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
inspector
capacity.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
inspectors
we
use
for
monitoring
these
board
buildings
are
they're
multi
discipline,
inspectors.
Their
primary
duty
is
to
to
inspect
existing
housing,
so
multi-dwelling
rentals
and
the
and
we're
supposed
to
inspect
those
every
four
years
and
we're
we're
quite
behind
on
those.
So
anything,
this
ordinance
would
would
actually
free
up
resources
in
my
team
so
that
we
could
focus
on
doing
some
other
very
important
stuff.
A
Anyone
else
have
questions:
okay,
thank
you!
So
much
orion
and
antonio.
We
appreciate
input
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
our
next
agenda.
Item.
Item
number:
five.
Well.
Formerly,
item
number
five,
but
we
just
which
was
the
early
notification
text
amendment
we're
going
to
bump
that
item
in
the
interest
of
time,
and
that
puts
us
at
tentative
break
and
following
that,
the
rezoning
master
plan,
amendments
at
833,
south
800,
east
or
the
telegraph
exchange
law.
A
So
we
are
luckily
a
little
bit
ahead
of
schedule,
which
is
good
because
we
have
a
tentative
closed
session,
but
I
do
think
that
it.
If
we
have
that
closed
session,
it's
going
to
be
very,
we
only
have
an
hour
allocated
for
it
if
we
still
want
a
dinner
break.
So
I
would
just
encourage
that
we
just
take
the
15
minute
break
and
if
everybody
can
come
back
at
at
10
2,
then
we
can
keep
the
momentum
going.
A
P
P
P
P
A
Council
members,
we
are
back
on
and
we
are
at
agenda
item
number
seven,
which
is
a
re-zone
and
master
plan.
Amendment.
A
Hello,
wait;
no
problem.
We
are
back
and
on
agenda
item
number
seven,
which
is
a
rezone
and
master
plan,
amendment
at
833,
south
800,
east
telegraph
exchange
lofts
with
us.
For
this
briefing
we
have
brian
fulmer
from
the
council
office,
david
gelner,
the
principal
planner
and
then
available
for
questions.
A
Several
people,
including
micah
peters,
the
applicant
brian,
go
ahead
and
take
us
through.
Thank
you,
mr.
E
The
applicant
also
owns
the
adjacent
parcel
at
847,
south
800
east,
where
the
telegraph
exchange
building
is
located
under
the
current
proposal.
The
two
properties
would
be
consolidated
into
one
parcel
with
a
total
of
23
residential
units
planned
six
would
be
in
the
telegraph
exchange,
building
and
17
on
the
subject
property.
E
Okay,
I
think
brian
covered
most
of
the
specifics
on
it.
The
two
properties
combined
are
about
.79
acres.
The
telegraph
exchange
building
is
58
feet
tall.
The
proposed
units
that
would
be
spread
across
the
two
combined
properties
would
max
out
at
30
feet
to
17
town
home
units,
and
I
mentioned
this
is
part
of
the
rezoning-
is
part
of
a
planned
development
that
was
approved
by
the
planning
commission
to
go
over
both
properties
contingent
upon
the
zoning
changing.
Of
course.
E
A
Okay,
council
members,
any
questions
before
we
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
or
molly.
I
see
you're
joining
us
as
well.
Did
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
add?
Okay,
so
micah?
If
you're
available
go
ahead,
and
let
us
know
what
you'd
like
us
to.
A
Q
Chris,
I
just
got
my
mike
my
view
turned
off.
Can
you
yes,
okay,
excellent!
Thank
you,
brian!
Were
you
able
to
upload
that
presentation
we
sent?
Q
Yes,
I
sent
it
and
bobby
snitzman
is
starting
that
right
now.
Oh!
Thank
you,
sir.
I
appreciate
it
great
all
right,
council,
members
and
mayor,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
to
review
my
application
here,
just
a
little
background
for
the
council
members
that
I
don't
know
well,
actually
let
me
first
start
off
just
by
thanking
the
planning
staff
and
the
council
staff
david
nick,
joel
molly.
You
guys
have
been
so
great
on
on
this
project.
Q
Q
So
just
a
little
background
on
this
clearwater
homes,
we
have
a
long
tradition
of
working
with
salt
lake
city
on
projects
and
we're
currently
under
construction
on
450
units
across
two
institutional
size
projects
with
the
salt
lake
redevelopment
agency,
that
is
252
units
of
marmalade
and
then
198
over
at
the
paperbox
lofts.
So
a
lot
of
activity
happening
this
particular
property
we've
owned.
Q
Since
2011,
if
you
can
believe
it,
we
just
got
so
busy
downtown
working
on
large
projects
that
this
unfortunately
was
shelved
for
a
while.
But
we're
super
passionate
about
this
project
and
so
passionate
that
I
personally
am
going
to
own
or
occupy
in
this
project
and
as
such
as
all
of
our
projects,
we're
going
to
treat
it
with
a
lot
of
care
and
and
community
sensitivity
developing
at
9th
and
9th
is
is
super
difficult.
Q
I
know
that
a
lot
of
you,
council
members
were
present
when
the
mutual
beauty
site
was
developed
into
the
nexus
apartment
project
under
that
neighborhood
commercial
zoning.
We
watched
that
really
closely
and
understood
that
one
of
the
challenges
and
one
of
the
problems
that
the
nexus
folks
had
was
that
they
didn't
do
any
community
outreach
before
they
made
an
application
of
planning
and
zoning,
and
they
really
just
got
a
lot
of
antipathy
from
the
local
community.
Q
Knowing
that
we
before
we
even
submitted
an
application
to
the
city
on
this
project,
we
had
39
local
meetings
with
people
directly
on
the
street
business
leaders,
stakeholders
in
the
community
and
and
other
locals.
We
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
high
index
of
sensitivity
because
of
what
we
were
doing
here
and
we
just
really
wanted
to
reach
out
to
those
voices
that
didn't
like
what
we
were
doing
and
to
those
that
did
and
honor
everybody's
kind
of
position
in
the
community.
Q
So
with
with
that
being
said,
we
just
wanted.
I
wanted
to
emphasize
that
we
had.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
really
kind
of
tilling
soil
on
this
thing
before
we
even
made
an
application.
So
that
being
said,
we've
had
a
pretty
comprehensive
planning
zoning
process
on
this,
which
approved
our
pud.
Q
The
basic
idea,
as
you
see
is
we
have
the
telegraph
exchange
building,
which
is
a
really
great
iconic,
building
one
of
the
tallest
buildings,
if
not
the
tallest
building
at
9th
and
9th,
and
we're
going
to
do
an
adaptive,
reuse
project
on
this
building
our
company's
very
well
suited
for
adaptive
reuse.
We
completed
one
of
the
most
difficult
adaptive
reuse
projects
in
the
city
downtown
with
paragon
station.
Q
It
was
100
year
old,
100,
000
square
foot
building.
As
you
guys
know,
adaptive
reuse
is
its
own
classification
of
development,
brain
damage
and
it's
super
challenging
and
it's
about
two
and
a
half
times
the
cost
per
square
foot
than
new
construction.
Q
So,
as
part
of
that,
like
I
said,
we'd
own
this
property
since
2011,
the
zoning
in
2011
allowed
us
to
do
the
23
units
we
have
proposed
and
then
during
charlie
luke's
kind
of
final
months
as
a
councilman,
he
had
pushed
this
kind
of
local
zone
which
rezoned
our
parcel
to
the
north,
the
833
parcel
and
so
we're
simply
trying
to
go
through
this
process
to
get
back.
You
know
kind
of
the
density
that
we
envisioned
on
the
original
project.
Q
Q
Thank
you
just
a
little
history
about
the
building.
This
was
the
original
telephone
and
telegraph
building
for
all
of
salt
lake
city's
kind
of
telecommunications
backbone.
Q
These
are
pictures
of
women
on
the
wall
in
world
war
ii,
running
the
switches
and
then
just
a
couple
of
historic
pictures
that
are
pretty
neat
one
notable
thing
in
the
middle
there
is
you
see
the
original
historic
porch
on
the
building
which
the
lds
church
was
having
problems
with
kids
jumping
over
their
fence
into
the
yard,
so
they
removed
the
front
porch
rather
than
raising
the
fence
height.
Q
So
we're
going
to
be
returning
that
original
porch
back
to
its
exact
design
in
that
center
picture
as
part
of
the
project
next
slide,
please.
Q
So
this
is
our
land
plan.
You
can
see
our
street
frontage
in
working
with
david
and
joel
and
molly
at
the
planning
department
finding
office.
They
really
wanted
to
create
a
an
active
street
frontage,
and
so
we
have
our
front
porches
on
those
four
units
on
the
street
front
pushed
right
up
with
kind
of
robust
front
porch
areas
so
that
the
street
is
very
much
activated
and
then
in
our
transition
from
our
multi-family
project
to
the
single-family
residential.
Q
Our
existing
zoning
allows
us
to
build
eight
feet
from
the
property
line,
and
so
we
just
want
to
be
really
sensitive
to
that
and
as
part
of
our
process
with
planning
and
zoning,
we
pulled
the
building
side,
yard
setback
on
the
north,
there
24
foot,
five
inches
from
the
neighboring
property
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
we
put
in
a
landscape
barrier
between
the
properties,
and
I
just
really
wanted
to
point
that
out,
because
this
is
the
the
sensitive
point.
This
transition
to
the
single
single-family
residential,
the
north
landscape
buffer.
Q
Q
It'll
have
24
kindred
spirit,
columnar
oak
trees
to
be
planted
every
six
feet.
These
trees
will
be
one
and
three
quarter,
inch,
caliper
and
10
to
14
feet
tall
at
installation,
but
their
growth
pattern
for
this
species
is
three
feet
per
year
in
height
with
a
35
to
40,
foot,
mature
height
and
a
six
to
eight
foot
wide
column
or
with
at
the
base.
Q
So
I
just
wanted
to
display
that
we're
really,
you
know
again
trying
to
be
very
sensitive
to
that
transition
in
in
respect
to
again
getting
back
to
watching
some
of
the
complaints
in
in
the
local,
ninth
and
ninth
area
parking
is
a
very
sensitive
issue.
We
in
this
project
we
have
47
on-site
stalls
for
our
23
units.
Every
stall
is
an
electric
vehicle
stall
and,
as
such
we
are
more
than
taking
care
of
our
impact
on
the
parking.
Q
It's
really
important
to
know
that
that
47
count
does
not
include
our
four
car
stalls
on
the
frontage
of
our
property
either
and
just
as
a
comparison
in
terms
of
density.
You
know
we
have
.80
acres
and
we're
trying
to
achieve
23
units
here
across
the
street
is
a
multi-family.
You
know
historic
project
that
is
on
.40
acres
and
has
12
units
and
zero
on-site
parking,
so
all
12
of
those
units
across
the
country.
Yes,.
A
Your
five
minutes
are
up,
sorry
is
there
we
can
go
ahead
and
go
into
questions,
and
hopefully
you
can
work
in
some
of
the
other
points
that
you
have
into
some
of
the
answers
to
our
questions.
But
we
do
have
that
five
minute
time
limit.
Q
Councilman,
martin,
no,
no
problem.
Thank
you.
So
much
just
one
last
comment
from
me
just
so
the
council
understands
this
is
again
another
all-electric
project
that
you
guys
are
seeing
a
lot
of
and
such
we
will
be
having
some
environmental
sensitivity
and
saving
161
cubic
tons
of
carbon
dioxide
into
the
local
airshed
annually
for
the
project.
P
Q
You
know
we
we're
actually
gonna
just
keep
this
as
a
for
rent
product.
They
won't
be
sold.
Q
Individually,
I
didn't
hear
the
whole
question,
but
I'm
assuming
it's
about
rate
and
they'll
they're,
just
market
rate
units.
A
Q
A
Q
No
they're
all
hidden
in
private
alleys,
on
on
the
site.
If
we
want
to
go
back
to
the
land
plan,
I
could
show
you,
but
none
of
our
cars
and
none
of
our
garage
doors
will
be
seen
from
eighth
east.
J
Mono,
I
have
a
couple
questions
about
the
site
plan
the
so
you
mentioned
you
have
six
to
eight
foot
kilometer
trees
in
a
four
foot
landscape
area.
How
does
that
work.
Q
J
Q
The
board,
so
if
you
come
off
eighth
east
off
of
our
drive
aisle
and
you
go
south
all
of
the
garage
doors
are
facing
in
that
in
that
20
24
foot
right
away
here
between
the
front
units
and
the
four
behind
it.
And
then,
if
you
track
that
path
back
back
your
access
to
the
the
units
on
the
north.
Excuse
me,
the
east.
Q
They
would
be
entered
from
the
site
from
that
drive
on
the
site
and
then
the
units
on
chase
avenues
are
entered
directly
from
chase
avenue
facing
chase,
and
then
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
our
you
know,
chase
avenue
was
sold
as
a
excuse
me,
windsor
avenue
was
sold
in
the
80s
and
as
such
chase
avenue
is
a
private
street
and
our
part
of
our
approvals
on
this
project.
We
went
to
every
homeowner
on
chase
avenue
and
have
consent
and
approval
for
our
design
on
the
project.
Q
Because
chase
avenue
is
a
private
street.
I
see
okay,
so
we
worked
on
that
for
a
long
time
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
agreement
with
all
of
our
our
neighbors
on
chase.
Okay,.
J
A
Q
Thank
you
mike.
Let's
make
one
more
statement
before
we
go.
Yes,
briefly.
Okay,
thank
you.
Essentially,
council
members,
you
know
we
are
obviously
trying
to
justify
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
historic
building
and
our
existing
zoning
on
this
site
between
both
parcels
gives
us
18
units
and
essentially
with
those
18's.
Our
street
front
on
east
would
remain
exactly
the
same,
but
we're
just
trying
to
grab
those
additional
five
units
on
the
east
side
of
the
property
that
back
the
commercial
area
smith's
to
help
us.
Q
You
know
with
that
with
the
economics
of
the
project
to
to
save
the
adaptive
reuse
building.
So
when
you
look
at
it
in
total,
essentially
we
we're
trying
to
save
the
building
and
our
street
front
if
we
used
our
existing
zoning
would
would
essentially
stay
as
presented.
A
Thank
you.
So
much
yeah,
thanks
for
being
here,
micah,
thank
you
andrew
or
sorry,
david
gelner
and
brian
from
our
office,
and
thank
you
molly
too.
Thanks
for
being
here.
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
into
agenda
item
number
eight,
which
is
the
east
west
conveyance
project.
Presenting
on
this.
We
have
sam
owen
from
the
council
office
and
also
laura
breifer
director
of
public
utilities,
and
then
we've
got
some
other
people
available
from
public
utilities
as
well.
A
If
we
have
questions
but
sam,
if
you
want
to
start
us
off
and
then
we'll
turn
the
time
over
to
laura
briefer.
E
Is
along
with
a
couple
of
consultants
from
the
langdon
group,
are
here
to
talk
with
the
council
about
a
major
water
line,
conveyance
project
from
the
city's
east
kind
of
east
bench,
resources
to
the
west
and
northwest
sections
of
the
city
and
valley.
They
have
a
presentation,
some
good
information
for
the
council
members.
So
with
that
mr
chair
I'd,
ask
that
we
turn
it
over
to
the
department.
R
This
has
been
a
project.
That's
long
in
the
works
like
like
all
very
large
infrastructure
projects.
It
requires
a
lot
of
planning
on
all
fronts
with
me
today
I
have
don
wagner.
Who
is
our
water
program
manager
at
public
utilities?
R
We
also
have
keith
larson,
who
is
our
engineering
consultant
with
bowen
collins
and
associates
who
worked
on
this
design?
We
also
have
jesse
stewart
listening
in
he's
our
deputy
director
here
at
public
utilities
and
jason
brown.
Our
chief
engineer
is
also
listening
in
and
then
diane
olson
is
on
our
public
information
team
and
she's
with
the
langdon
group
and
has
been
coordinating
closely
with
all
of
our
public
engagement
folks.
R
So
if
we
could
go
to
slide
number
two,
we
have
a
short
video
presentation
for
you,
and
this
is
something
we
are
also
sharing
with
our
community
councils
and
on
our
website
to
be
to
inform
about
this
project.
I
should
also
note
that
we
invited
members
of
mill,
creek
city
here
too.
I'm
not
sure
if
there
is
anyone
listening
in,
but
part
of
this
project
does
go
through
a
portion
of
middle
creek
city
and
benefits
residents
in
mill,
creek
city.
R
R
R
All
right,
we
may
not
be
able
to
get
it
to
work
on
this
platform.
I
know
we
tried
it
out
in
the
test
session
and
got
it
to
work,
but
we
can't
get
it
to
work
today,
but
it
is
available
on
our
website
and
we
can
send
you
a
link
as
well.
R
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
maintaining
reliable
water
service
and
supplying
some
redundancy
to
the
system,
because
this
brings
a
another
source
of
water
from
from
some
different
water
sources
that
we
have
to
other
areas
of
the
city.
We
have
a
little
bit
of
redundancy
being
added
to
the
system
with
this
project.
R
Okay,
next
slide,
so
the
six
mile
water
line.
This
is
a
this
is
a
project
background
slide,
and
this
is
a
six
mile
line
that
provides
both
additional
water
supply
and
also,
I'm
sorry
also
increases
our
redundancy.
R
The
water
line
will
was
actually
first
contemplated
in
2007
when
public
utilities
completed
its
major
conveyance
study.
Our
major
conveyance
study
is
actually
under
update
right
now
and
what
we
found
in
the
updated
major
conveyance
study
is.
This
line
is
still
needed
even
more
than
we
thought
at
the
time
due
to
growth
and
also
reliability.
Concerns
in
2015,
we
evaluated
a
whole
bunch
of
potential
routes,
developed
conceptual
designs
and
then
recommended
preferred
alignments.
R
That
capacity
increase
allows
us
to
now
be
able
to
build
the
line
to
take
that
additional
water
supply
to
downtown
salt
lake
city
and
other
areas,
and
then
from
2017
to
2020.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
collaborating
with
key
stakeholders
to
refine
the
alignment
and
also
acquire
easements,
where
we
needed
to
acquire
easements
examples
of
stakeholders.
Again.
Are
other
cities
like
mill,
creek
city,
also
looking
at
roadway
conditions
and
other
types
of
infrastructure
within
roadways?
R
R
So
what
this
slide
just
shows
is
some
of
the
major
salt
lake
city
sources
that
we
we
use,
and
this
is
showing
it
with
respect
to
the
infrastructure
that
provides
it
so
you'll
see.
Metropolitan
water,
district
of
salt
lake
in
sandy
provides
41
and
a
half
percent
part
of
that
is
about
is
our
little
cottonwood.
Creek
and
part
of
that
is
deer
creek.
R
There
is
infrastructure
that
we
hold
interest
in
through
agreements
with
metro,
that's
owned
and
operated
by
jordan
valley,
water,
conservancy
district,
and
then
we've
got
our
three
water
treatment
plants,
that's
part
of
our
conveyance
as
well
as
wells
and
springs,
and
this
water
line
is
bringing
water
sources
for
more
of
the
southern
part
of
our
our
source
of
supply.
R
So
this
will
bring
water
from
the
provo
system,
which
is,
is
our
deer
creek
source,
as
well
as
a
little
cottonwood
and
big
cottonwood
canyon
and
that'll,
bring
that
water
available
to
to
these
other
areas
of
the
city
now
and
in
the
future.
I
think
also.
R
Yeah,
the
next
slide
is
great,
so
our
preliminary
alignments-
these
are
shown
from
our
aqueduct
study
and
we've
broken.
This
first
part
of
the
study
into
three
different
construction
phases
and
you'll
see
the
earliest
phases
on
phase
one
is
september,
starting
actually
now
we're
aligning
that
with
the
fifth
east
road
reconstruction
phase,
two
is
in
the
purple
and
that
part
will
occur
from
terminal
reservoir,
all
the
way
to
about
1300
east
and
that's
contemplated
for
spring
2022
to
fall
2023
and
then
the
last
phase
we
have
going
through
forestdale
golf
course.
R
So
in
evaluating
the
alignment
of
of
the
east-west
line,
we
looked
at
our
engineers
looked
at
a
total
of
about
633
potential
alignments
and
most
of
those
were
eliminated,
as
they
were
cost
prohibitive
when
compared
to
other
options.
R
R
A
fourth
is
depths
to
groundwater
and
whether
there
are
conflicts
with
groundwater
depth
and
then,
of
course,
we
need
adequate,
adequate
slope
and
hydraulics
that
narrowed
us
down
to
four
alternatives
and
from
there
we
selected
this
recommended
alternative.
R
So,
as
mentioned
before
beginning
in
2017,
we
worked
with
a
whole
host
of
stakeholders
to
determine
the
best
alignment
that
would
minimize
traffic
and
community
disruptions
fit
within
the
existing
right-of-way
and
avoid
other
other
conflicts,
while
meeting
engineering
requirements,
and
so
the
goal,
as
we
pointed
out
before,
is
then
broken
into
these
three
phases.
R
R
I
have
to
commend
diane
for
excellent
work
on
the
communications
and
engagement
side
of
things
and
really
strategically
planning
that,
alongside
our
engineering
team
as
well.
R
Thank
you
and
then
we
have
a
number
of
ways
in
which
the
public
and
community
members
can
can
reach
us
or
access
information
we'll
be
including
this
on
our
facebook,
twitter,
instagram
accounts.
R
D
Hi,
laura
it's
good
to
see
you
youtube.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
you
have
done
a
ton
of
community
outreach.
We
saw
you
at
our
community
council
meetings
and
answered
all
of
the
questions
and
I
think
you
are
the
only
person
that
I
like
to
hear
the
phrase
more
redundancy
come
out
of
their
mouth
or
increased
redundancy.
A
Okay
and
laura
you
weren't,
looking
for
any
anything
from
the
council
on
this
right,
like
a
straw
poll
or
anything.
R
No
no,
this
is
this
has
been
in
our
budget
and
you,
I
think,
you've
seen
that
in
our
budgets,
the
last
couple
of
years
and
plan
for
in
future
years,
I
did
forget
to
mention
the
cost
of
the
project-
is
60
million
from
the
terminal
reservoir
to
300,
east
and
in
the
future
that
that
line
will
be
extended
to
the
northwest
quadrant
and
that
that
is
currently
under
design.
R
The
financing
for
the
project
will
be
a
combination
of
either
revenue,
bonds
or
loans,
we're
considering
potentially
another
wifi
application
for
this
project,
as
well
rate
and
rate
payer
financing,
as
well
as
impact
fees.
This
is
a
growth
related
project
and
is
in
our
impact
fee
facilities
plan.
R
Lar,
can
I
also
just
mention
before
we
wrap
up
that
the
phasing
is
such
where
500
yeast
is
occurring
now
and
then
the
next
phase
phase
two
will
be
the
portion
that
goes
through
forest
still.
A
Any
other
questions,
council
members,
okay,
doesn't
look
like
it
well.
Thank
you
laura,
for
I
know
that
we
had
to
bump
this
several
times,
and
so
I'm
glad
that
we
finally
got
to
it.
Sorry
about
all
the
delays.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
nine,
which
is
budget.
Amendment
number
two
for
the
fiscal
year
2020
2021,
follow
up
leading
us
on
this.
Discussion
is
ben
ludke
from
the
council
office
and
mary
beth
thompson
chief
financial
officer,
and
then
we
also
have
john
vice
the
city
budget.
S
S
S
F
Thank
you,
ben
and
thank
you
council,
so
I
kind
of
wanted
to
give
a
brief
update
the
due
date
on
the
contract
for
cares.
Funding
is
october
1st.
We
are
looking
at
extending
that
deadline.
Currently,
every
week
the
treasury
comes
out
the
united
states
treasury
guidelines
come
out
with
different
requirements
and
different
issues,
and
so
we
will,
we
may
be
coming
back
and
revisiting
this
budget
at
a
later
date.
F
The
reason
that
we
decided
to
choose
personal
services
was
because
we
had
the
october
first
deadline,
and
that
was
the
easiest
way
to
get
all
the
5.9
million
dollars
expended.
I
think
that's
all
I
have.
Are
there
any
questions
on
that?
F
Oh,
the
other
thing
that
I
also
wanted
to
state
was
that
all
of
the
programs
or
projects
sitting
in
the
general
fund
that
those
those
that
ben
spoke
of
do
qualify
for
cares
funding.
A
O
O
F
Okay,
the
only
cares
act,
funding
were
the
personal
services
and
the
pp
and
ee
from
previous
year.
O
F
O
Okay
and
the
thing
that
the
council
did
fund
voted
on,
one
was
that
cares.
Funding.
F
Right,
all
of
the
all
the
stuff
that
the
council
funded
and
voted
on
in
on
september,
1st,
I
believe
it
was-
is-
cares,
act
funding
everything
that
they're
looking
at
now
is
general
fund
funding.
S
J
Well,
I
think
it's
probably
obvious
to
everybody,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
my
benefit
the
so
the
cares
are
fun.
We
talked
a
lot
I
think
last
week
that
there's
one-time
funds,
which
are
cares,
act
funding.
We
don't
expect
that
we're
gonna
get
those
every
year,
and
so
we
were
worried
about
funding
certain
ongoing
expenses
with
that
karzak
funding.
But
now
that
we've
learned
that
it's
actually
the
general
fund
is
that
issue
not
anymore?
I
think
I'm
confused
about
that.
F
So,
council,
member
mono,
it's
still
an
issue.
So
what
we
did
was
we
reduced
the
personal
services
in
the
general
fund
with
grant
funding
for
one
time
right
for
this
current
fiscal
year,
but
next
year
those
personal
services
will
have
to
be
put
back
into
the
general
fund.
So
the
funding
that
is
that
is
available
is
one
time.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
and
before
we
have
ben
take
us
through
the
other
items,
nope
okay,
go
ahead.
Ben.
S
I
can
do
a
quick
summary,
mr
chair.
I
know
the
council
received
that
previously
it's
up
to
your
preference
for
time.
A
S
Okay
item
a2
is
almost
2.3
million
dollars
for
a
proposed
1
000
bonus
for
hazard
pay.
This
would
go
to
2283
employees.
This
is
about
70
of
the
city's
workforce.
S
S
There's
a
policy
question.
If
the
council
would
like
to
discuss
with
the
administration
the
difference
between
frontline
employees
and
essential
employees,
essential
employees
are
the
determining
factor
for
who
would
be
eligible
to
receive.
This
hazard
pay
also
important
to
note
item
a11,
which
will
get
to
an
internet
allowance.
I
Can
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
then
the
the
internet.
S
C
Hi
we
do.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
E
We
do
actually
have
some
employees
that
will
not
receive
either.
Some
of
those
employees
include
youth
and
family.
Some
of
our
parks,
employees,
who
have
been
at
work
but
are
not
considered
first
responders
based
on
the
federal
guidelines,
and
so
there
are
so
there's
about
30
percent
of
our
workforce.
That
has
reported
to
work
but
are
not
considered
first
responders.
F
E
We're
working
with
the
individual
department
directors
to
try
and
remedy
that.
E
It
very
well
may
be
that
we
come
back
with
something
that
says
you
know
we
have
identified
this
particular
segment
of
our
employee
population.
That
was
not
recognized
in
either
of
the
two
subsidies,
and
so
we
do
need
to
make
that
right.
So
there
is
a
possibility
that
we
will
come
back,
we're
going
to
try
and
figure
that
out
in
a
couple
weeks
and
months.
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
thank
you
lisa
schaefer
and
thank
you
mary
beth,
and
thank
you
ben.
O
Cindy
yeah
could
we
have
been
just
since
we've
had
a
little
confusion
on
the
source
of
funds
for
each
of
these
items.
Could
you
have
been
state
the
source
on
the
each
each
proposed
expenditure.
D
And
mr
chair,
if
I
could
jump
in
and
I
apologize
if
I
missed
the
first
part
of
the
conversation-
so
maybe
mary
beth
has
already
covered
this,
but
source
of
funding
is
one
of
those
moving
targets
and
it
could
be
possible-
and
maybe
I
should
phrase
this
as
a
question
mary
beth-
is
it
possible
that
the
city
may
need
to
have
some
of
these
items
be
explicitly
used
for
from
cares
money?
The
source
of
funds
for
some
of
those
items
would
be
become.
O
O
It's
just
been
confusing
because
we
we
have
not
done
the
trends.
The
the
transmittal
in
the
usual
ways,
and
I
know
we're
getting
another
transmittal
soon.
A
D
D
That
said,
it
may
become
necessary
in
a
month
to
from
an
accounting
perspective,
shift
the
source
of
those
funds
to
cares,
act
funding
rather
than
the
general
fund.
So
maybe
I
don't
know
if
mary
beth
or
john
could
provide
some
guidance
on
what
items
really
actually
need
to
be
adopted
now
in
order
to
enable
those
urgent
things
to
happen
or
what
items
can
wait
another
month,
while
some
of
that
accounting
stuff
is
figured
out.
H
So
mary
beth,
if
you
know,
as
things
change,
let's
say
worst
case
scenario
like
some
of
these
ones,
we
cannot
use,
cares
funds
to
to
replenish
our
general
fund,
and
so
will
this
leave
a
gap
in
our
overall
budget.
H
But
what
how
I'm
feeling
about
this
is
like
we're
using
general
budget
to
kind
of
cover
the
cost
right
now
until
we
can
get
the
the
cares
like
funds
to
rep,
you
know
to
pay
off
to
pay
us
back.
I
guess
yes
for
ourselves,
because
these
are
things
that
are
because
of
the
circumstances
of
this
year.
So
is
that
if
the
cares
act
doesn't
work
and
for
some
reason
no,
no,
you
know
most
of
this
doesn't
doesn't
qualify
what
happens
to
our
general
fund.
F
What
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that,
thanks
to
the
administration,
everything
that
sits
in
the
general
fund
also
qualifies
for
cares,
act
funding.
So
the
the
fortunate
thing
for
this
is
all
of
those
programs
that
been
discussed
with
you
qualifies
for
cares,
act,
funding
as
well.
The
concern
has
always
been
personal
services
they
haven't.
Given
us.
True
treasury
guidelines
have
been
wishy-washy.
Is
I
guess
what
I
would
say,
and
so
it's
always
my
fear
that
they're
going
to
come
back
and
say
no,
no,
no
right.
F
E
Mary
beth,
can
you
also
please
make
a
little
bit
of
a
clarification
about
this
first
trunks
of
cares,
funding
versus
the
second
anticipated
tranche,
so
the
first
charge
has
been
received
and
the
amount
that
we're
requesting
in
budget
amendment
two
is
all
part
of
that
first
trunk
of
money:
it's
not
something
that
we're
anticipating
receiving.
Can
you
kind
of
make
that
clarification
as
well?
That's.
F
That's
correct,
so
we
received
the
5.9
million
dollars,
it
sits
in
a
grant
fund.
It
has
to
be
audited
through
a
single
audit
process,
so
it
has
to
sit
in
the
grant
fund.
I
can't
move
this
to
the
general
fund,
so
that's
the
first
tranche
of
money.
The
supposedly
second
tranche
of
money,
will
also
be
received
and
sit
in
that
same
grant.
Funding,
and
so
that's.
This
tricky
situation
is
every
time
the
united
states
treasury
comes
out
with
different
guidelines
and
updates
those
guidelines.
F
E
E
I
think
mary
beth
and
her
team
have
done
an
admirable
job
of
trying
to
explain
and
making
sure
that
we
are
all
identifying,
cares,
allocated,
funding
or
programs
or
funding
that
are
reimbursable
by
cares,
and
so
that
that
is
the
reassurance
that
you're
looking
for
council
member
about
morose,
and
I
would
say
that
there
are
some
it's
kind
of
a
timing
problem
that
we
have
here
right
to
jennifer
bruno's
comment:
we
have
that
issue
where
some
of
these
items
are
being
used.
E
Currently
we
are
expending
funds,
currently
one
of
the
really
pressing
items
that
we
have
are
the
youth
and
family
expansion
programs.
We
can't
hire
and
can't
expand
until
this.
This
budget
is
approved
until
the
specimen
amendment
is
approved.
Excuse
me.
A
M
S
I
do
have
a
quick
clarification
for
anyone
in
the
public
who's
watching.
This
was
originally
scheduled
for
september,
8th,
of
course,
that
was
that
meeting
was
cancelled
because
of
the
windstorm.
M
Mr
chair
members
of
the
council,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
tonight.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
jump
over
from
the
rda
to
the
city
council,
side,
council
member
baltimore.
I
think,
has
a
question.
H
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
disclosure
before
we
continue.
I
own
a
property
in
the
nine
line,
our
cra
area,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it's
on
the
record
and
just
to
get
it
better
out.
There.
J
M
Okay,
mr
chair,
we
have
a
slide
presentation
for
each
of
these.
I
think
to
start
off
I'd
like
to
ask
if
the
council
would
prefer
if
we
handle
both
of
these
project
areas
at
once
or
if
you
would
like
us
to
separate
those
in
accordance
with
the
agenda
and
provide
an
opportunity
to
discuss
each
of
them
individually.
A
I
think
in
the
interest
of
time,
if
you
want
to
put
them
together,
that
is
probably
fine,
and
does
anybody
have
any
objection
to
that?
Okay,
it
doesn't
look
like
it.
E
A
Right
yeah,
I
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
that
too,
but
yeah
we
do.
We
do
have
some
time
restrictions
on
our
agenda
and
so
let's
but
yeah,
let's,
let's
combine
them
for
purposes
of
this,
but
keep
in
mind
that
we
need
to
keep
them
separate,
moving
forward
about
diff
as
their
two
distinct
zones.
M
Okay,
very
well,
I
will
turn
the
time
over
to
lauren
who
will
go
through
that
presentation
quickly
and
please
feel
free
to
stop
us
at
any
time.
If
you
have
any
questions
and
then
we'll
all
be
available
for
questions
at
the
end,
so
lauren,
if
you're
ready,
I
think
bobby,
probably,
is
the
one
controlling
the
presentation,
correct.
T
Next
slide,
please
so,
starting
with
nine
line,
as
you
can
see
here,
are
the
project
areas
boundaries
upon
study
of
the
area.
It's
been
identified
that
around
113
acres
are
either
vacant
or
under
utilized
and
could
benefit
from
strategic
redevelopment
to
increase
neighborhood
opportunity
and
livability
on
the
west
side,
with
that,
it's
estimated
that
numerous
jobs
and
housing
units
would
be
created
with
this
project
area
in
place
and
the
majority
of
property
tax
increment
generated
from
new
growth
would
be
reinvested
back
into
this
area
next
slide.
T
T
The
westside
master
plan
identifies
specific
nodes
or
intersections
that
could
benefit
from
redevelopment
on
either
a
neighborhood
community
or
regional
scale,
and
rda
to
tools
and
resources
should
be
used
to
facilitate
the
growth
of
these
specific
nodes
and
in
turn,
increase,
neighborhood
opportunity
and
livability.
Again.
T
The
west
side
should
become
more
accessible
and
connected
to
other
areas
of
the
city
by
improving
existing
gateways
and
the
transportation
network.
And
finally,
the
jordan
river
trail
and
nine
line
corridor
are
extremely
valuable
community
assets
that
should
be
enhanced
to
increase
connectivity
with
this
project
area's
support.
Next
slide,
please.
T
So,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
the
rda
board
adopted
the
finalized
nine
line.
Community
reinvestment
area
plan
in
august
of
2018
after
the
research
and
community
outreach
processes
took
place
upon
adoption
of
the
community
reinvestment
area
plan.
State
statute
requires
that
the
agency
enter
into
an
interlocal
agreement
with
each
taxing
entity
that
elects
to
contribute
a
portion
of
their
tax
increment
to
the
project
area.
T
Salt
lake
city
school
district
approved
an
interlocal
agreement
with
the
rda
in
october
of
2019.
The
same
terms
approved
by
the
school
district
were
presented
to
this
to
salt
lake
county's
ad
hoc
committee.
Early
this
july,
the
ad
hoc
committee
will
be
making
a
recommendation
to
the
county
board,
who
then
makes
a
final
decision
regarding
whether
or
not
to
approve
the
specific
interlocal
agreement
terms
and
then,
finally,
the
same
terms
approved
by
the
school
district
again
are
being
presented
for
the
city's
consideration
today
next
slide.
T
So
here
are
those
specific
terms
to
be
included
in
the
interlocal
agreement
between
salt
lake
city
and
the
rda
for
the
city
council's
consideration,
so
the
base
year
would
be
set
at
2016,
and
this
was
the
last
equalized
tax
year.
At
the
time
the
project
area
was
adopted,
the
base
value
from
2016
is
200
around
228
million,
and
that's
the
number
that
would
be
used
to
calculate
tax
increment.
T
And
the
participation
rate
at
which
the
city
would
contribute
tax
increment
is
75
percent,
meaning
the
city
would
still
retain
25
percent
of
the
increment.
The
collection
period
would
be
20
years
for
the
project
area,
after
which
all
of
the
tax
increment
would
go
back
to
the
taxing
entities
and
then
breaking
down
the
budget
activities.
T
T
So
this
table
models
the
total
tax
increment
from
new
growth
that
could
potentially
be
generated
over
the
project
area's
20-year
term
based
upon
three
different
development
scenarios
from
low
to
high.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
these
estimates
and
the
actual
increment
collected
will
be
based
on
what's
generated
on
an
annual
base
basis.
T
Please
this
schedule
on
the
screen
that
outlines
the
next
steps
for
the
interlocal
agreement
process
has
changed
a
little
bit
as
the
as
the
rda
board
meeting
was
cancelled
last
tuesday.
But
we
anticipate
that
you
all,
as
city
council,
will
consider
approval
of
the
real
solution
to
authorize
the
terms
of
the
proposed
interlocal
agreement
for
the
nine
line
cra
between
salt
lake
city
and
the
rda
tonight.
T
T
T
Like
the
nine
line
plan,
the
state
street
cra
plan
also
includes
standards
to
guide
development.
Facilitating
transit
oriented
development
is
a
high
priority
of
the
plan,
given
its
proximity
to
downtown
and
access
to
light
rail
and
bus.
Rapid
transit
development
must
be
smart
and
maximize
a
mix
of
residential
commercial
as
well
as
leisure
uses.
Development
should
also
be
walkable
and
pedestrian
oriented
and
infrastructure
improvements
are
necessary
in
order
to
achieve
this,
development
should
also
be
strategic
and
focus
on
focused
on
underutilized
parcels,
where
the
investment
could
help
to
decrease
criminal
activity.
T
The
one
difference
would
be
the
specific
base
value
number
and
it's
a
bit
higher
than
the
nine
line
value
based
on
the
property
values
in
the
area,
at
about
889
million
and
again,
that
is
what
would
be
used
to
calculate
future
tax
increment,
but
the
rest
is
really
all
the
same
from
the
nine
line.
Next
slide,
please.
T
T
And
again
here
are
the
here's,
the
tentative
schedule,
which
differs
a
little
bit
from
what's
on
the
screen,
but
city
council
is
to
review
the
terms
of
the
interlocal
tonight
and
then
rda
resolutions
will
be
brought
back
to
the
rda
board
at
their
next
schedule
meeting
and
there
will
be
budget
amendments
brought
to
the
rda
board
as
well
in
the
future.
A
Okay,
I'm
just
now
getting
back
questions
from
council
members.
N
Thanks
for
the
presentation,
I
appreciate
that
on
both
projects,
we
talk
about
these
extra,
these
jobs,
job
growth
and
we
talk
about
housing
developments
in
different
and
different
areas.
How
are
we
integrating
all
this
with
the
tods?
You
know
the
transit
oriented
developments,
making
sure
that
people
are
have
the
opportunity
to
get
to
jobs
without
being
in
a
car
and
making
sure
that
the
you
know
the
tods
are
not
a
mile
away
from
the
housing
development
and
making
sure
that's
all
blended.
N
So
it's
it's
a
walkable
community
across
the
board,
because
it's
not
great
to
have
your
your
bus
station,
a
mile
away
from
where
you
live
or
from
where
your
office
is.
So,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
integrate
and
then
how
do
we
how's
that
planning
going,
and
how
does
that.
M
Work,
I
think
that's
a
great
question,
and
and
lauren
and
tammy
can
jump
in
and
and
add
to
what
I
say,
because
they
were
involved
in
some
of
the
early
stages
and
have
the
planning
mindset
that
I'm
not
always
to
speak
as
well
about.
But
to
answer
your
question.
M
That
process
actually
starts
as
we
even
look
at
where
to
create
a
project
area
and
and
as
we
do,
that
we
identify
the
opportunities
that
are
already
within
the
city's
master
plan
and
inherently
the
rda's
job
is
ultimately
to
carry
out
the
city's
master
plan.
And
so
that's
both
the
plans
for
the
area
itself,
as
well
as
the
transit
plan,
as
well
as
the
affordable
housing
plan.
M
We
feel
our
job
is
to
implement
those
and
then
what
we
do
as
an
rda
and
as
a
staff
is
we
take
those
and
break
them
down
into
smaller
levels
of
strategic
plans,
as
well
as
each
of
these
project
areas
have
identified
within
their
redevelopment
plan
target
areas
within
which
we
will
further
try
to
concentrate
our
efforts,
and
all
of
that
is
done
if
it's
done
right,
hopefully
with
the
mindset
of
looking
to
maximize
opportunities
for
tod
development,
as
well
as
opportunities
to
redevelop,
underutilized
land
and
also
adjust
to
the
market
for
things
such
as
affordable
housing
and
opportunities,
as
they
present
themselves
so
tammy.
M
P
G
G
So
we
did
coordinate
those
efforts
and
I
would
this
is
a
little
off
the
subject
of
your
question,
but
also
point
out
that
some
of
the
other
geographic
target
areas
in
the
state
street
area
are
around
the
two
new
homeless
resource
centers,
because
that
was
a
priority
of
the
board
and
the
city
council.
At
the
time
that
we
use
rda
tools
to
help
address
and
mitigate
impacts
of
those
centers
around
the
adjacent
neighborhood.
N
And
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
transit
stops
near
those
hrc's,
because
they're
going
to
be
using
it
quite
frequently,
and
how
does
the
funding
work
between
the
rda
and
these
cras
on
the
whole
fast
transit
networks
of
brts
to
move
people
east
and
west
and
north
and
south?
How
do
does
the
tax
increment
help
support
that
funding
to
to
boost
the
frequencies
of
the
buses?
M
No
that
that's
primarily
handled
on
the
city
side.
You
know,
in
addition
to
the
funding
our
future
transit
dollars
within
partnership
with
uta.
M
Historically,
the
rda's
partnership
with
with
transit,
has
been
to
either
build
out
track
stations
sooner
than
what
uta
may
potentially
be
scheduled
to
do
it
and
or
to
enhance
the
transit
development,
either
with
public
art
or
higher
level
of
design.
But
we
do
not
necessarily
to
date,
get
involved
directly
in
terms
of
enhancing
like
the
levels
of
service
or
the
number
of
bus
routes
through
the
rda.
M
A
Okay,
council
member
johnston.
E
I
think
to
dan's
question:
there's
probably
some
differences
dan.
I
think
the
the
state
street
one
has
the
tracks
lines,
which
is
three
three
independent
lines
going
on
the
same
tracks,
north
south,
as
well
as
states
through
the
fifteen
minute
increments,
which
are
both
high
frequency
transit
networks
for
the
more
southeast,
which
is
pretty
much
fits
right
in
the
middle
of
that
area,
and
then
east
west
on
the
south.
You've
got
the
21st
south
bus
line,
which
is
15
minutes
in
the
north
and
ninth
southwest.
E
So
we've
got
a
decent
amount
of
coverage
and
overlap
with
one
of
those
east
west
north
south
routes.
I
think
the
challenge
is
going
to
be,
and
I
think
it's
already
happening
on
the
third
west
corridor,
what
you're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
development
happening.
I
think
the
challenge
on
the
nine
line
is
that
the
number
nine
bus
still
sort
of
sneaks
through
the
area
as
the
frequent
transit
network
going
east
west,
the
and
the
vacant
land
that's
being
looked
at
immediately.
E
At
least
it's
starting
to
be
looked
at
is
on
the
8th,
south
sort
of
8th
west
area.
There's
not
really
a
high
frequency
bus
route
through
that
area.
The
second
piece
is
on
redwood
road
and
it's
a
large
large
large
area,
the
city
owns.
It
could
be
very
useful
as
far
as
a
tod
concept,
but
there's
probably
some
some
work
to
be
done
on
mitigation
about
land
and
some
zoning
issues
as
well.
E
So
I
think
the
two
areas
have
very
different
sort
of
strengths
and
struggles.
As
far
as
what
you're
talking
about.
N
I
just
want
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
where
you've
got
to
make
sure
that
the
east-west
and
north-south
tods
are
the
same,
and
that
there's
a
lot
of
intersections
and
the
frequencies
on
is
scheduled
there.
It's
more
important
but
probably
a
transit
question
and
an
issue
than
a
rda
question,
because
you
want
to
make
sure
that
all
those
buses
going
east-west,
north
and
south
are
all
in
sync,
with
each
other
moving
people
everywhere.
A
I
have
a
question
on
for
for
both
projects
we
had
been
reached
out
to
by
and
some
community
members
and
from
school
board
members
who
are
concerned
that
the
rdas
sort
of
discourage
us
from
creating
residences
with
the
with
children
and
and
might
continue
to
add
to
the
problem
of
our
eroding
numbers
in
schools.
A
Can
you
danny
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
what
tools
the
rda
zones
give
us
that
actually
promote
building
housing
for
families
and
mitigating
the
loss
of
students
in
salt
lake.
M
M
The
the
quick
answer
is
obviously
a
main
focus
of
of
this
council
and
the
city
administration,
and
the
mayor
is
for
us
to
do
housing
at
different
income
levels
and
different
unit
types,
and
so
to
the
extent
that
we
have
that
as
a
priority
both
within
the
city's
housing
plan
and
with
the
projects
and
the
funding
that
the
rda
puts
out.
That
has
been
a
focus
of
ours
to
really
start
trying
to
prioritize
participating
in
housing.
That
does
have
that
higher
unit
mix
that
could
potentially
be
desirable
for
families.
M
That
is
both
one
for
hopefully,
home
ownership,
as
well
as
two
have
a
higher
unit
mix
of
bedrooms,
so
that
we
can
encourage
families.
And
so
to
that
extent,
that
is
one
of
the
priorities
that
we
have
included
in
the
interlocal
agreement
with
the
school
district
of
how
they
would
like
to
see
us
utilize
those
funds.
M
We,
we
have
agreed
to
continue
that
conversation
with
the
school
district,
not
only
as
part
of
a
regular
reporting
structure
that
we
would
report
back
to
the
board
on
what
our
efforts
are
and
how
we
are
accomplishing
that,
but
also
in
so
far
as
at
the
time
we
were
working
with
their
staff
to
really
try
to
help
identify
what
some
of
those
other
issues
are
happening
within
salt
lake
city
that
is
affecting
their
population
to
decrease
as
far
as
the
the
people
count.
M
So
those
are
things
that
that
we
had
really
been
diving
into
with
with
the
school
district
and
that
that
is
something
that
we
would
continue
to
do
as
part
of
our
ongoing
reporting
back
to
them.
Of
of
how
we
can
be
a
better
partner
and
hopefully
help
them
collaboratively
to
kind
of
turn
that
tide.
But
that
is
an
issue
that
not
just
salt
lake
city
is
realizing
and
not
just
the
state
of
utah,
but
that
is
happening
across
the
country.
M
As,
as
you
know,
the
the
school
districts
within
the
downtown
core
are
are
struggling
to
get
their
families
to
come
back
and
move
back
into
the
city,
and
that
is
obviously
you've
seen
play
out
in
salt
lake
city
and
salt
lake
county
over
the
last
20
to
30
years.
So
there's
a
bigger
issue
there
of
just
building
more
family
housing
as
much
as
just
what
can
we
do
also
in
terms
of
development
throughout
the
rest
of
the
city
of
how
to
help
the
school
district?
With
that.
A
A
Can
you
think
of
any
examples
of
projects
that
we've
done
in
the
past,
that
in
any
of
our
past
cras
that
have
made
it
so
we
could
have
units
with
multiple
rooms
that
would
be
more
attractive
to
families.
M
You
know
much
smaller
micro
units,
one
and
only
two
bedroom
units
and
recognizing
that
to
the
point
that
that
probably
needs
to
be
now
a
focus
for
us
to
really
try
to
make
sure
that
developments
have
that,
where
historically
I,
when
the
developments
were
taking
place,
developers
seem
to
be
more
inclined
with
providing
those
units
themselves.
And
so
I
think
that
aligns
with
what
we're
seeing
now.
As
far
as
what
we
need
to
prioritize
as
part
of
our
efforts.
A
Okay-
and
I
just
had-
I
met
with
some
people
from
the
county
recently
who
had
asked
us
a
lot
of
questions
had
a
lot
of
questions
about
these
two
project
areas
and
the
size,
and
you
know
why
we
why
we
included
what
we
did,
and
I
remember
that
specifically
and
the
reasons
for
the
nine
line
and
trying
to
include
projects
that
were
in
the
master
plan,
but
on
the
state
street
one
it
kind
of
bulges
to
the
west.
A
Can
you
talk
about
what
were
the
the
objectives
and
the
reasons
that
we
that
we
didn't
include
all
those
instead
of
just
going
up
and
down
state
street
on
both
sides.
M
I'm
I'm
gonna
probably
bump
to
tammy
a
little
bit.
I
was
not
here
at
the
time
that
the
rda
was
going
back
and
forth
with
those
boundary
conversations,
and
so
I
would
bump
to
tammy
or
even
if
the
mayor
wants
to
jump
in
and
provide
a
history.
So.
G
I
believe
that
originally
there
were
several
different
potential
project
areas
that
rda
staff
provided
an
analysis
for
for
the
board's
consideration
and
two
of
them
were
actually
the
state
street
corridor
and
then
the
area
around
ballpark
and
it's
my
understanding.
I
worked
with
housing
and
neighborhood
development
at
the
time,
but
I
believe
those
two
projects-
potential
project
areas
were
merged
and
then
the
state
street
area
grew
from
there
when
the
homeless
resource
center
sites
were
identified.
G
So
it
was
expanded
to
the
west
and
there
were
different
boundary
scenarios
provided
to
the
rda
board,
because
the
rda
board
had
to
approve
that
boundary
extension
before
the
plan
was
adopted
and
it
was
decided
to
go
all
the
way
to
the
freeway
to
potentially
capture
and
provide
the
ability
to
do
some
economic
development
in
the
more
industrial
transition
zone
along
the
freeway
corridor.
A
Councilmember,
I'm
sorry
mayor
mendenhall.
B
Tammy
is
absolutely
right,
and
I
I
also
recall
that
we
heard
from
some
business
and
property
owners
along
300
west,
that
at
the
time-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
still
the
case
or
brought
to
the
discussion-
that
300
west
was
the
second
highest
tax
revenue
generating
area
in
the
city
outside
of
the
central
business
district,
but
had
little
to
no
investment.
B
Excuse
me,
investment
in
in
a
lot
of
different
ways,
so
obviously
we're
rebuilding
300
west
now
outside
of
the
rda,
but
that
they
really
implored
the
rda
to
consider
expanding
it
to
to
the
freeway
so
as
to
include
both
sides
of
300
rest
for
the
portions
that
it
does
today.
A
E
I
believe
we
are
set
to
take
action
tonight,
mr
chair
is
that
act
or
is
that
accurate,
correct
and
we'll
have
more
discussions
at
the
rda
level?
I'm
assuming
that
miss
chair
and
men
and
vice
chair
the
rda.
E
Let
me
support
mr
chair
to
move
this
forward.
However,
I
I
think
we're
going
to
be
challenged
with
these
two
areas
to
get
them
moved
the
way
they
are.
That
makes
sense
to
everybody.
A
But
just
for
for
clarification
danny,
even
if
we
were
to
take
the
vote
tonight,
to
support
to
move
forward
with
both
of
these
areas.
Does
that
prevent
us
in
any
way
from
going
back
and
making
adjustments
as
long
as
the
other
taxing
entities
agree.
M
It
doesn't
prevent
you
what
you're
doing
tonight
is
approving
the
terms
on
the
city,
council,
side
or
the
inner
local
agreement.
You
obviously
will
then
turn
around
and
approve
those
terms
as
the
rda
board.
E
So
if
I'm
looking
at
the
base
year,
which
is
2016,
which
seems
forever
in
the
past
at
this
point
to
change,
that
would
mean
changing
the
entire
agreement.
M
It
would
either
mean
changing
the
agreement
or
potentially
just
changing
the
budget
within
that
agreement,
that
the
base
year
obviously
is
used
to
determine
that
budget.
So.
E
If,
if
we
were,
if,
on
the
rda
side,
we
were
to
change
the
boundaries,
that
would
require
the
whole
process
to
start
again.
E
M
No,
the
smaller
larger
issue
comes
into
question.
When
you
just
set
the
initial
survey
area
boundaries
and
then
from
there,
you
can
make
them
smaller
larger,
as
you
actually
then
define
the
project
area,
but
once
the
project
area
is
defined
as
we've
done
it
and
we've
done
the
plan
and
the
analysis
off
of
it.
Any
adjustment,
smaller
or
larger,
would
then
have
to
reinstate
the
entire
process
again.
O
E
So
because
the
because
the
school
district
has
already
approved
this-
even
if
we
didn't
approve
this
today
and
we
wanted
to
change
boundaries
or
any
parts
of
that,
it
would
still
have
to
go
through
the
whole
process
again
regard
whether
we
approved
the
day
or
didn't
approve
it.
We
still
start
the
process
over
again.
M
N
J
A
Okay,
any
other
discussion
all
right.
Thank
you
danny
for
with
us
thanks
tammy.
Thank
you
lauren
for
your
presentation,
and
that
brings
us
to
agenda
item
number
12,
which
is
restricting
military
surplus
equipment
in
the
police
department
and
with
us.
We
have
ben
ludke
from
the
city
council
office
and
katie
lewis,.
S
It
enacts
a
new
section
in
city
code
to
restrict
access
to
military
surplus
equipment.
I
can
give
a
quick
summary:
if
the
council
has
questions
we
can
jump
to
those.
What
would
you
prefer.
S
If
the
police
department
wanted
to
purchase
or
acquire
military
surplus
equipment,
then
a
budget
amendment
with
an
explanation
of
why
is
needed.
If
the
department
wanted
to
accept
a
donation
of
military
surplus
equipment,
then
a
written
notification
as
well
as
an
explanation
to
the
council,
the
mayor
and
the
finance
director
are
needed
under
either
route.
The
council
would
hold
a
public
hearing
on
the
request
and
adopt
a
resolution
for
or
against,
as
well
as
a
statement
of
public
purpose.
If
any.
S
A
Okay,
council
members,
any
questions.
J
Okay,
this
might
be
a
question
because
I
don't
understand
things
that
I
should
understand,
but
is
there
so
this
is
only
pertaining
to
military
surplus
equipment?
Is
there
a
commercial
company
that
creates
the
same
type
of
equipment
from
which
it
could
just
be
purchased,
or
does
this
ordinance
also
cover?
Is
it
like
military
grade
equipment
or
literally
things
that
came
surplus
from
the
military?
Does
that
question
make
sense.
A
Other
questions:
when
we
talk
about
ammunition,
is
this
just
like
bullets
or
is
there
other
ammunition
that
is
included.
S
It's
just
bullets
for
training
at
the
shooting
range.
It
is
not
bullets
that
are
taken
into
the
field.
S
A
A
Okay,
if
the
only
exception,
though,
that
we
can
think
of
is
ammunition
like
does
it
make
sense
to
just
say
that
there's
only
an
exception
for
ammunition
and
that
we
don't
want
the
department
to
come
to
us
with
other
exceptions
or
other
if,
if
something's
being
donated
or
something
that
we
don't,
we
don't
want
to
allow
for
that
either.
S
N
A
Yeah,
I
don't
know
okay,
so
katie.
What
are
the
next
steps
on
this
then.
C
A
Okay,
well,
my
question
was
just
a
question:
I'm
not
really
inclined
to
like
make
a
straw
hole
over
it.
A
Okay,
all
right,
unless
there
are
any
other
questions,
then
we'll
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
put
this
on
one
of
our
upcoming
formal
meetings
for
adoption.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thanks,
katie
thanks
ben
council
members.
That
brings
us
to
agenda
item
13,
which
is
a
board
appointment
to
the
human
rights
commission.
Do
we
have
dr
evis
garcia.
E
Council
chair,
dr
garcia,
is
not
available
at
the
moment
which
isn't
logged
in
yet,
but
the
applicant
for
the
cultural
core
budget
committee
is
present.
Number
14.
A
Oh
great,
okay,
let's
hear:
let's
is
that
moana.
A
E
A
T
So
my
name
is
moana
hafoka
born
and
raised.
E
E
I
was
asked.
O
And
gladly
volunteered
to
be
part
of
the
cultural
core
budgetary
committee
to
lend
just
my
background
in
arts
and
specifically
from
community
arts
in
and
with.
E
K
H
A
All
right
well,
moana,
you
probably
already
know
this
drill,
but
we
will
go
ahead
and
put
your
your
name
on
our
consent
agenda
for
adoption
at
tonight's
formal
meeting
and
you
do
not
need
to
be
present,
but
you
are
absolutely
welcome
to
if
you
tune
in
and
join
us
if
you'd
like.
A
Thanks
so
much
thanks
for
being
willing
to
come
back
and
serve
salt
lake
city
again.
A
Okay,
do
we
have.
A
A
A
Okay,
then
yeah:
let's
go
ahead
and
just
put
her
on
the
next
available
place.
If
we
can
and
then
I
will
look
for
a
motion
to
enter
closed
session.
A
A
O
Okay,
so
property
conveyances
that
it's
a
strange
situation,
it's
not
something
you
can
decide
because
property
is
an
administrative
function,
but
it's
something
that
you
can
set
parameters
for.
So
one
of
the
parameters
that
the
council
has
set
is
that
you
can
call
for
an
extra
hearing
if
there's
some
property
to
be
sold,
and
so
this
would
wouldn't
change
the
outcome.
O
It
would
give
an
opportunity
for
additional
public
input
and
then
perhaps
you
know
in
some
cases
the
additional
public
input
might
change
outcomes
on
things
like
this.
But
the
parcel
in
this
case
is
the
1085
e
simpson
avenue,
which
is
the
former
sugar
house
fire
station
that
is
being
conveyed
to
the
redevelopment
agency.
D
E
I
I
agree,
my
only
concern
would
be.
Would
people
be
upset
if
the
city
was
disagreeing
to
sell
it
to
itself,
essentially
without
any
public
options
or
about
it?
We
had
any
discussion
about
this
previously.
O
It
I
think
it
has
been
discussed,
and
it's
been
years
I
would
say
in
the
making,
and
so
it
yes,
it
has
been
discussed
previously
in
a
way
you
could
consider
it
a
transfer
from
one
portion
of
the
city
to
another
portion
of
the
city,
but
also
you
know
somebody
could
argue
the
point
that
you've
made.
E
E
O
Yeah,
it
isn't
anything
that
you
can
control,
so
sometimes
the
public
gets
the
expectation
that
you
will
have
the
opportunity
to
vote
on
it
if
you're
having
a
hearing.
So
it's
it's
just
a
matter
of
preference.
It's
you!
You
want
to
use
this
in
a
case
where
you
really
are
have
a
lot
of
concerns,
and
you
want
to
see
if
the
public
wants
to
try
to
influence
the
administration
about
it.
O
O
Yes,
yes,
so
this
is
one
of
the
few
cases
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
sort
of
pressure
valve,
so
to
speak,
that
the
council
added
in
in
case
there's
a
really
serious
situation.
Where
you
really
say
I
mean
it
would
be
most
likely
used
when
you
don't
want
the
administration
to
sell
something,
and
you
want
to
be
sure
that
the
public
has
the
opportunity
to
express
their
concerns
to
the
administration.
O
E
Mr
chair
I'd
be
okay,
supporting
councilmember
fowler's
move
unless
somebody
else
on
the
council
has
a
concern
about
it.
It's
administrative
move.
Unless
we
have
concerns.
A
A
Yes,
I
saw
that
text
so
yeah
if
we
can
have
dr
garcia.
Yes,.
M
P
E
A
A
E
E
I
have
a
class
that
is
like
the
west
side
studio
and
I
work
with
all
the
community
councils
there,
just
making
sure
that
there's
like
more
representation
also
for
minorities
in
that
part
of
of
town,
I'm
also
part
of
the
west
side
leadership
institute,
which
is
an
initiative
of
neighbor
works
and
also
university
neighborhood
partners.
E
I
also
work
in
research
that
has
to
do
with
the
homeless
population,
so
I
have
some
collaborations
with
the
road
home
and
I
have
several
projects
that
are
about
access
specifically
right
now
in
terms
of
transportation,
but
in
the
past
they
have
been
mostly
about
housing.
So
I
work
a
lot
in
the
section
of
like
community
environment,
housing
and
transportation
and
just
in
general,
community
engagement.
So
a
lot
of
the
classes
that
I
teach
are
about
how
to
engage
the
the
public
and
how
to
think
about
specifically
underrepresented
groups.
E
So
being
that
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that,
not
only
here
in
salt
lake
city,
but
also
I
have
done
many
climate
studies
that
are
more
about
the
profession
of
planning
that
are
national.
I'm
interested
in
contributing
some
of
my
skills
and
knowledge
as
part
of
the
human
rights.
J
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
dr
garcia,
as
well.
We
work
together
in
the
west
side.
We
including
rda
staff,
including
other
people
in
the
city,
and
I
think
at
some
point,
professor
garcia,
sat
at
the
in
the
planning
commission
correct
so.
E
Yes,
that
is
correct,
so
I
saw
in
the
planning
commission.
It
was
almost
two
years,
but
I
went
to
puerto
rico
for
a
year,
so
I
have
to
step
down
from
that
responsibility.
Thanks.
H
A
Thank
you
so
much
dr
garcia,
yeah,
it's
it's
and
just
looking
at
your
resume
and
your
experience
and
your
past
service
to
the
city,
I
I
know
you'll
be
a
great
addition
to
the
human
rights
commission
and
yeah
having
served
on
that
body.
I
I
think
that
there's
so
much
that
your
experience
can
bring.
So
I'm
excited
to
to
have
you
join
unless
there
are
any
other
questions.
Council
members
which
I
don't
see
any
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
put
your
name,
dr
garcia,
on
our
consent
agenda
for
tonight.
A
You
do
not
need
to
be
present
for
tonight's
meeting,
but
you
are
of
course,
welcome
to
join
us
at
our
formal
meeting,
which
starts
at
seven
o'clock.
E
A
All
right,
bye-bye
have
a
good
night.
So,
council
members,
that's
we've
reached
the
end
of
our
agenda.
If
someone
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
for
going
into
closed
session,
I
will
look
for
that.
A
L
H
D
A
And
I'm
yes
as
well,
that's
unanimous!
If
everybody
would
log
off,
do
we
have
a
special
name:
okay,
yeah
everybody
jump
on
that
and
we'll
see
you
there.