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A
B
Get
started
since
we
were
already
quite
a
bit
behind
welcome
to
today's
city
council
meeting
we're
grateful
to
have
you
join
us,
as
you
probably
have
seen,
we
continue
to
hold
electronic
meetings
due
to
the
practice
of
social
distancing.
B
Although
conducting
our
meetings
electronically
is
different
from
our
familiar
in-person
public
process,
this
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting
for
the
work
session.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
our
usual
live
video
feeds
on
the
council's
agenda.
Page
youtube,
slc,
tv
or
facebook
live
today
is
a
work
session
only
day,
and
there
is
no
public
comment
scheduled.
However,
next
tuesday
october
6th
will
be
the
next
opportunity
for
the
public
to
comment
during
our
7
pm
formal
meeting.
B
B
C
Thanks,
mr
chair
hi
council,
the
internet's
pretty
good
in
the
building,
but
it
is
quiet
here.
Mr
chair,
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
our
salt
lake
city,
firefighters,
who've
been
going
out
to
assist
wildfire
fighting
in
oregon
and
in
california.
We
had
23
firefighters
deployed
to
assist
in
oregon
and
they
returned
over
the
weekend
which
we're
grateful
for
and
then
no
sooner
did
we
get
a
call
from
folks
in
napa,
california
area
and
last
night
we
deployed
six
firefighters
to
assist
in
that
wild
firefighting.
D
Hi,
thank
you
everybody.
Now
we
are
at
day
17
of
our
wind
event,
cleanup
efforts
and
we're
about
halfway
through
to
hitting
our
goal
of
having
all
wood
off
the
streets
by
october
15th,
so
that
we
can
begin
to
clear
the
roads,
sweep
the
streets
and
the
gutters
and
get
ready
for
winter
weather
fall
weather.
D
To
date.
We
have
hauled
just
over
4,
500,
tons
of
debris
off
of
the
streets
and
that's
in
partnership
with
14
other
agencies
that
have
been
helping
us,
including
the
national
guard.
We
have
about
200
city
employees,
who
have
been
working
full-time,
sometimes
six
days
a
week
on
this
event.
Since
the
since
it
occurred,
we
have
all
trucks
and
all
equipment
deployed.
D
We
continue
to
get
outside
resources
from
contracted,
arborists
and
others
to
help
us
and
continue
to
make
requests
through
our
various
mutual
aid
agreements
through
the
county
and
with
the
state
and
as
those
resources
come
in
they're
immediately
deployed
on
the
street,
we've
had
no
significant
injuries
or
illnesses
related
to
this.
Thank
goodness,
all
the
crews
are
still
at
reporting,
high
morale
and
they're
doing
a
good
job.
D
I
think
we
have
still
a
lot
of
phone
calls
coming
in,
but
most
residents
understand
that
we
have
taken
reports
of
all
their
downed
trees
and
damage.
We've
asked
them
to
put
their
remaining
private
debris
on
the
street,
the
wind
debris
and
we
are
making
other
sweeps
through
the
city
now
to
clean
that
up.
So
it's
been
a
huge
effort.
D
It
couldn't
have
happened
with
all
the
wonderful
resources
we've
had,
including
all
the
city
departments
who
have
pitched
in
on
this,
and
I'm
feeling
quite
optimistic
right
now
that
we
will
hit
our
goal
and
get
the
streets
cleaned
and
be
back
in
action
and
urban
forestry
is
still
planning
on
planting
trees.
This
fall.
D
They
are
determined
to
use
this
to
diversify
our
forest
and
to
get
trees
back
in
as
many
places
as
we
can.
Those
urban
forestry
guys
are
just
amazing
they've,
been
amazing
throughout
the
whole
thing,
and
they
are
absolutely
committed
to
getting
some
more
streets,
some
more
trees
on
the
streets
and
back
in
our
parks.
A
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
phone
calls
I've
had
from
people
taking
trailers
thinking
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
to
dump
their
trees
and
a
pleasant
surprise
is
free
for
all
of
these
trees
going
in
there.
So
you
know
pass
that
on
to
them.
It
is
extremely
grateful
for
those
individuals
that
are
taking
them
out
there.
D
And
that's
a
good
point:
councilman
rogers,
because
we
are
trying
to
do
some
recovering
recycling
with
the
wood
that
we're
hauling.
Now,
that
is
one
of
our
primary
goals.
The
landfill
has
been
a
tremendous
partner,
but
we
know
we're
taking
up
valuable
land
spill
space
with
wood
that
could
be
recovered.
So
we
are
working
on
that
effort
as
well.
C
Can
I
just
mention
that
the
the
partnership,
which
is,
as
you
know,
councilman
rogers,
a
joint
ownership
between
the
city
and
the
county
on
the
landfill
which
is
operated
by
the
county
and
that
waiver
of
tipping
fees
for
residents
for
the
storm
debris
it
ended
on
saturday
at
the
close
of
business
day
unless
I'm
mistaken
lorna.
I
think
that
that
opportunity
for
the
free
tipping
for
strong
debris
is
over
at
this
point,
but
the
city's
out
picking
it
up
curbside,
and
so
you
don't
have
to
make
that
trip
to
the
landfill.
E
Think
that
was
where
I
wanted
to
make
a
question.
I
think
the
mayor
just
addressed
it,
though
there
is
cleanup
of
storm-related
damage
to
trees,
even
private
trees.
As
long
as
it's
taken
to
the
curb.
Currently,
I
think
there
the
notice
was
put
out
to
do
this
past
weekend,
because
there'll
be
pick
up
this
week,
is
that
the
intention
still.
D
B
All
right,
let's
mayor,
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
your
next
next
emergency.
C
Thank
you
all
and
I
should
have
given
you
an
outline.
Thank
you.
Lorna
for
the
wind
emergency
update,
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
brief,
covid
update,
and
then
we
will
turn
a
few
minutes
over
to
jim
wood
from
the
ivory
boyer,
seeing
your
fellow
at
the
kmc
gardner
policies
to
to
give
you
a
rent
and
mortgage
assistance
update,
and
I
know
we're
going
to
move
quickly
because
we
don't
have
enough
time
with
you.
C
There's
a
lot
to
cover,
then
I'll,
give
you
an
update
on
the
community
commitment
program,
homeless,
outreach
on
the
street
and
finally
I'll
talk
about
policing
and
our
hr
facts
and
figures
in
that
regard.
So
in
terms
of
covid,
I
want
to
let
you
know
where
our
current
data
and
our
next
steps
are.
According
to
the
state
and
county
departments
of
health,
the
biggest
increase
in
the
county
is
coming
from
social
gatherings
of
young
people
who
are
not
wearing
masks.
C
So
as
a
result
of
that,
we're
seeing
cases
in
older
people
increase
because
of
younger
people
bringing
it
home.
The
city,
data
and
county-wide
data
is
starting
to
show
some
improvements.
This
week
our
citywide
percent
positivity
is
just
below
eight
percent
and
that's
with
really
strong
testing
numbers
right
now
we
had
a
spike
to
9.3
percent
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
just
to
put
it
in
perspective,
the
goal
is
five
percent.
Our
proxy
transmission
rate
in
the
city
is
at
1.47.
C
C
C
C
C
And
if
not
I'll
turn
some
the
time
over
to
jim
wood
with
the
policy
chemistry
gardener
policy
institute,
they
have
put
together
new
data
for
us
on
how
we
can
best
direct
rental
and
mortgage
assistance
programs
in
the
in
light
of
kovid19
impacts,
and
we
sent
this
report
to
council
on
september
15th.
So
jim
is
here
to
briefly
address
his
findings
for
us.
F
Well,
thank
thank
you,
mayor
and
council.
It's
a
a
pleasure
to
be
with
you
and
just
go
over
some
work
that
I
did
in
the
late
spring
and
during
the
summer.
F
Needless
to
say,
this
is
a
fast-moving
target
and
I
think
I
know
I've
been
humbled
by
the
virus
and
trying
to
make
forecasts
and
and
projections
as
the
state
has
as
well,
but
I
had
angela
price
over
at
hand.
First
contacted
me
to
examine
the
need
for
rental
assistance
and
mortgage
assistance
in
the
city.
F
First
off
city
data
is
really
tough
to
come
by
because
we
just
don't
have
recent
data,
and
so
I
have
to
make
a
few
inferences
from
state
data
and
even
in
a
couple
of
cases
from
national
ratios,
but
anyway,
first
angela
wanted
me
to
set
the
context
with
where
we
are
and
two
things
one
our
economic
context.
The
other
is
the
housing
shortage
and
we
are
doing
much
better
than
I
expected
on
the
economic
front.
We
have
our
unemployment
rate.
F
Only
one
state
has
a
lower
unemployment
rate.
That's
nebraska,
so
in
utah,
about
1
in
25
of
those
who
are
in
the
labor
force,
either
looking
or
currently
employed
is
unemployed.
Where,
if
you
look
at
california,
you
look
at
new
york,
it's
like
one
in
eight,
so
we've
we've
done
really
well
in
the
recovery.
F
In
april
statewide
we
had
about
150
5
000
people
unemployed.
F
As
of
friday.
Last
week
we
had
about
66
000.,
so
we've
dropped
that
by
90
000
in
in
a
matter
of
three
months
now
on
the
housing
shortage
which
does
play
into
into
this.
As
you
know,
we've
had
a
housing
shortage
now
for
several
years.
F
My
concern
initially
with
covid
was
that
this
would
make
the
housing
shortage
even
worse.
We
had
had
two
years
where
we
kind
of
treaded
water.
We
didn't
improve,
make
much
headway
in
reducing
the
shortage,
but
we
didn't
increase
it,
and
I
was
afraid
that
we
would
get
much
lower
levels
of
production
with
covet.
F
Builders
would
back
out
and
be
cautious,
as
would
buyers
and
developers
that
has
not
proven
to
be
the
case.
What's
happened
is
low
interest
rates
have
overwhelmed
really
any
of
the
negative
impacts
of
coven,
and
so
what
we
see
statewide
through
the
first
six
months
of
2020,
is
an
all-time
record
and
permits
issued
for
new
residential
units
in
salt
lake
county.
F
We
are
at
the
third
highest
ever
and
in
salt
lake
city,
also
the
third
highest
ever
so
there's
a
lot
of
activity,
even
though
in
salt
lake
county
there's,
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
retreat
from
the
apartment
numbers,
but
there
just
isn't
a
sign
right
now
that
coven
has
had
a
big
impact
on
residential
construction.
F
That's
not
to
say
there
has
been
a
negative
impact
on
prices
because
we
still
have
that
shortage,
and
we
have
this
really
strong
demand.
Pushing
prices
up.
Prices
are
up
nine.
Ten
percent
in
salt
lake
county
in
the
city,
statewide
they're
up
a
little
under
eight
percent,
that's
consistent
with
the
last
three
or
four
or
five
years,
and
a
sobering
number
is
the
median
sales
price.
F
F
Let
me
talk
about
now,
just
briefly
that
the
core
of
the
memo
that
I
sent
or
the
technical
report
on
the
the
need
for
homeowner
assistance,
the
need
for
rental
assistance,
I'm
a
homeowner.
Why
don't
we?
Oh?
Thank
you
robert!
Don't
let
me
can
I
well
yes,
can
I
scroll
down
or
oh
okay?
I
am
in
control,
okay.
F
Okay
right
there
in
salt
lake
city
they're
about
thirty
eight
thousand
six
hundred
homeowners
without
mortgage,
those
are
living.
Mortgage-Free
got
about
11
600.
with
mortgage
27
000.
So
those
are
the
at-risk
households
with
mortgages
from
covet
19.,
but
what
it,
what
it
shows
nationally.
Now
we
don't
have
numbers
locally,
but
nationally
about
30
percent
of
those
with
mortgages
are
not
covered
by
the
cares
act,
that
is
the
mortgage,
is
either
privately
owned,
or
it's
a
jumbo
mortgage
and
fha
and
the
others
do
not
back
jumbo
mortgages.
F
Jumbo
mortgages,
of
course,
are
high
income,
households
and
pretty
low
priority
for
housing
assistance.
In
most
most
cases,
I
believe
so
that
1500
number
there.
It's
just
an
estimate
of
the
number
of
households
who
mortgage
those
who
have
mortgages
who
have
taken
forbearance
and
that
again
is
based
on
a
a
number
from
the
nation.
F
But
what
we
have
is
really
8
100
house,
homeowners
that
that
aren't
covered
it's
less
than
that.
We
don't
know
how
much
less
it
is,
but
it's
something
less
than
that
because
of
the
jumbo.
But-
and
there
are
a
couple
of
issues
on
covet-
has
really
hit
low-income
households.
F
70
of
those
who've
applied
for
unemployment,
insurance
were
in
sectors
that
paid
less
than
the
median
wage
of
the
state
and
you're
aware
of
what
those
sectors
are
you've
got.
You
know
retail
and,
of
course,
anything
related
to
tourism
and
restaurants,
and
so
on
so
most
likely.
Those
are
renters
so
that,
in
my
view,
that
that
tempers,
the
need
for
homeowners
assistance,
what
I
did-
and
here
this
is
just
using
some
judgment,
getting
familiar
with
the
data
and
seeing
what's
going
on
nationally
to
come
up
with.
F
Well,
we
got
8100
what
what
can
we
expect
for
homeowners?
Who
would
need
a
mortgage
assistance
and
I
used
at
the
bottom
end.
I
used
a
low
number
of
about
one
percent,
partly
because
of
those
reasons
I
just
said
it's
much
less
than
the
8100,
probably
and
then
an
upper
bound
of
five
percent
and
using
those
those
two
bounds
you
get
on
the
bottom
end
you
get
about
80,
80
households
on
the
top
end
would
be
somewhere
around
400..
F
Now,
if
we,
if
you
paid
or
provided
three
months
of
insurance
of
assistance,
you
would
end
up
with
somewhere
between
1.25
million
for
the
bottom
end,
one
percent
and
2.5
million
for
the
five
percent.
But,
oh
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry.
That
number
was
actually.
That
number
was
from
the
renters,
but
on
the
on
the
homeowners.
F
What
we're
talking
about
is
one
to
five
percent
and
it
is
80
to
400
renters
or
I'm
sorry,
homeowners
and
it
would
be
a
less
than
500
000
on
the
bottom
end
and
2.3
million
on
the
top
end.
So
that's
the
range
of
the
assistance.
F
F
F
There
you
go
okay,
now
again
here,
I
I
tried
to
isolate
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
and
so
looking
at
renters
who
have
a
cost
burden
and
have
incomes.
What
huds
considers
is
low
income.
80
percent
ami
state
considers
that
moderate,
but
that's
low
income,
so
the
number
of
renter
households
who
in
salt
lake
city
who
are
at
80
percent
or
less
of
the
median
and
have
a
cost
burden
greater
than
30
percent
about
17
300
renters.
F
Now
the
question
is:
okay,
those
are
vulnerable
renters.
How
many
of
those
might
need
assistance-
and
we
have
some
experience
here
from
the
state-
the
state
office,
jonathan
hardy's
office
in
housing
and
community
development-
have
a
rental
assistance
program
underway
and
that
has
been
operating
for
about
three
months
now,
what
they
have,
what
they
have
helped
almost
2
000
households.
F
Now
here's
another
problem:
we
don't
know
how
many
of
those
are
unique
because
they
have
to
apply
each
each
month,
but
I
I
I
to
be
generous.
F
I
assume
assume
those
were
all
unique,
and
then
I
took
the
wasatch
front
because
that's
where
probably
most
of
the
damage
is
being
done
for
the
for
the
renter,
the
four
wasatch
front
counties
how
many
renters
do
we
have
that
the
state
has
helped
in
wasatch
front
counties
that
meet
these
conditions
of
they
are
paying
more
than
30
percent
and
that
they
are
in
the
wasa
renters
in
the
wasatch
front,
that
is
about
92,
000
runners
and
they've
helped
about
two
percent
of
those.
F
Today
now
there
hasn't
been
a
rush
for
their
program,
which
is
a
little
surprising,
but
let
me
digress
just
for
a
minute.
I
finished
I
just
finished
a
survey
for
cushman
wakefield
on
18
000
units
in
salt
lake
county
didn't
have
a
big
enough
sample
for
salt
lake
city,
but
that
was
90
different
projects.
I
ask
each
manager
or
landlord
on
a
scale
of
one
to
five.
F
How
has
coveted
19
affected
your
rent
collections
and
one
being
very
large,
two
being
large,
three
moderate
four
slight
impact:
five,
no
impact,
the
weighted
average
of
all
that
was
for
the
18
000
units
was
3.8,
so
just
below
slide,
which
did
surprise
me
only
one
project.
I
reported
that
it
was
a
very
large
impact,
but
so
on
the
landlord
side,
you
know
it
doesn't
look
as
bad
as
we
expected,
but
you
know
we.
F
We
don't
know
too
much
about
the
stress
the
renter
is
going
through,
but
on
the
landlord
side,
they're
doing
pretty
well
so
back
to
we've
got
17
000
here
is
our
our
universe,
and
the
state
has
helped
two
th
two
percent
so
I
took
about.
I
took
a
two
percent
number
there,
the
17
000,
and
that
would
be
about
350
renters.
F
That
would
need
assistance
and
then
rely
on
what
the
the
state's
experience
on
the
top
end.
I
used
four
percent,
which
would
give
us
about
700
renters,
and
here
are
those
numbers
again.
It's
the
on
the
bottom
end.
It
would
be
one
point
you.
B
Can
just
jump
in
really
quick?
I'm
sorry
we're
we're
way
over
time
already,
and
so,
if
we
can
just
get
like
a
copy
of
this
in
pdf
form,
and
if
you
just
want
to
like
give
us
a
brief
summation,
that
would
be.
F
B
F
Okay,
okay,
so
on
the
renter,
it's
1.25
million
to
2.5
million
to
assist
the
350
to
700
renters.
The
things
we
don't
know
is
there
going
to
be
a
second
wave.
Will
we
get
more
federal
assistance?
F
Has
income
rebounded
along
with
employment
and
have
renters
exhausted
all
of
their
resources
and
now
just
are
operating
under
noaa
victim
and
they
might
have
a
big
bill
at
the
end
of
december
and
has
covered
19?
How
much
has
it
ex
has
increased
the
problem
of
housing,
affordability.
F
B
You,
yes
thank
you,
and
this
is
really
great,
no
you're,
okay,
it's
it's
really
good
information
and
really
important,
and
we
definitely
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
it,
but
we,
I
can't
make
the
I
can't
make
the
time
to
exist.
So
sorry,
thank
you.
Thank
you
back
to
you,
mayor.
C
Moving
on
to
the
homelessness
update
and
the
community
commitment
program
phase
one
began
on
september
14th,
it's
been
going
well,
we've
heard
from
people
in
central
city
in
greenery
in
downtown
core
areas
that
are
asking
for
more
toilet
options,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
we're
currently
working
on
with
the
community.
We
know
that
we
need
more
restroom
options
throughout
the
city
so
phase.
C
One
again
is
that
clean,
neighborhoods
intensive
it
can
deploy
around
the
city
and
it
is
deploying
across
the
city,
and
we
have
the
funding
through
the
end
of
november
phase
two,
which
is
the
dedicated
diversion
program,
is
shaping
up
right
now
and
I'm
happy
to
tell
you
that
we
are
ready
to
launch.
On
october
5th,
we
currently
have
the
voa
addicts
to
advocates
the
justice
court,
salt
lake
county
and
some
other
treatment
providers
who
are
on
board
so
phase
two
comprises
three
to
four
week:
efforts
in
specific
locations
around
the
city.
C
It
will
start
with
one
specific
location
which
is
being
determined
right
now
and
I'll
walk
you
through
real
quickly.
What
those
four
weeks
are,
the
first
one
is
around
outreach
and
development
of
a
by
name
list.
So
this
is
including
client
service
preference.
It's
getting
to
know
the
people
who
are
living
in
the
encampments,
their
names.
C
Three
they're
they'll
hold
an
outreach,
fair
they'll,
put
tents
up
in
sort
of
a
fair
style
operation
and
include
services
like
flu
shots
and
legal
help.
That's
where
people
could
address
outstanding
warrants
or
other
legal
issues
that
the
justice
court
can
come
there
to
attend
to
they'll,
offer
food
and
basic
needs
supplies
and
that
outreach
continues
and
that
service
matching
continues
in
the
third
week
somewhere
around
the
fourth
week.
The
camp
closure
will
happen
and
again
that
will
be
notified
two
weeks
earlier
and
it
will
be
after
the
camp
closure
happens.
C
There
will
be
a
consistent
presence
by
the
salt
lake
city
police
department
to
make
sure
that
that
camp
does
not
reestablish
so
community
members
who
would
like
to
volunteer
to
help
with
these
efforts,
help
connecting
people
with
services
and
making
sure
that
those
services
are
just
what
they
need
and
supporting
the
volunteer
efforts.
They
can
reach
out
to
our
city's
heart
team
and
the
number
is
801.
C
G
A
B
E
E
I
appreciate
it
the
the
question
I
have.
It
sounds
like
there's
going
to
be
a
limited
number
of
geographically
targeted
locations
for
this
phase.
Two
and
those
locations.
People
will
not
be
allowed
to
camp
again
just
there,
but
across
the
city
they'll
still
be
camping.
Is
that
accurate?
Let
me
understand
sort
of.
C
That,
because
the
the
focus
of
phase
two
and
I'll
just
mention
michelle
is
on
the
call
also,
so
she,
if
there's
details
that
I
don't
have
she
can
chime
in
fitz2,
isn't
about
sending
single
service
providers
out
the
way
that
we
do
with
the
voa
through
our
pilot
program
for
on-street
outreach.
It's
about
concentrating
the
service
opportunities,
the
connection
opportunities
and
the
justice
opportunities
into
a
team
that
goes
out
together
and
because
of
that,
it's
not
possible
for
us
to
blanket
the
city
with
these.
C
C
E
Yeah,
my
it
kind
of
does,
I
was
when
we
talk
about
camps.
I
think
it'd
be
important
for
the
council
members
to
understand
that
we'll
talk
about
for
a
camp
the
size
number
of
people,
because
when
you
think
about
camping,
it
could
be
single
tenths,
three
tenths,
ten
tenths
sort
of
we're,
not
targeting
everything.
It
sounds
like,
but
there's
a
specific
group
that
would
be
targeted
first
kind
of
thing.
A
E
Yeah
because
I
think
I'm
just
anticipating
getting
a
lot
of
questions
from
people
about
phase
two
and
this
camp
quote
unquote
in
my
neighborhood
here
is
it
on
the
list?
Well,
is
it
allowed
or
not
sort
of?
Let
me
message
that
piece
and
talk
through
and
understand
it.
A
Sure,
yes
thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
for
the
question
councilmember
johnston.
What
we're
currently
doing
is
we
are
looking
at
we're
engaging
our
outreach
partners
to
help
us
determine
what
locations
are
locations
that
are
already
big
and
growing.
I
think
that
that
those
are
the
areas
that
we
want
to
focus
on
first
areas
that
are
particularly
concerning,
possibly
because
of
their
location,
if
they're
very
close
to
to
other
services
that
are
provided
to
vulnerable
populations.
A
That's
something
that
we
want
to
take
into
consideration
too,
but
primarily
what
we
want
to
do
is
we
want
to
focus
this
effort
in
an
area
where
it's
going
to
make
a
big
impact
to
the
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
in
that
area.
We
want
to
try
and
focus
this
effort
on
getting
the
most
folks
into
resources
that
we
can
and
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
by
focusing
on
locations
where
we
know
there's
a
pretty
high
concentration
of
people.
A
A
Michelle
so
from
your
answer,
what
I
gather
is
that
you
know
what
a
high
concentration
of
people,
what
constitutes
a
high
concentration
of
people,
and
I
think
that's
a
question
that
councilmember
johnson
and
I
have.
How
do
you
determine
or
have
you
identified
those
or
what's
a
threshold
and
any
camps
that
have
more
than
ten
tenths?
That's
the
one
that
you
think
it's
a
high
concentration.
A
We
just
need.
I
think
we
should
need
that
information
so
that
we
can
tell
our
constituents
because
we
get
these
answers
as
these
questions
all
the
time
and
even
when
we
drive
by
maybe
something
for
me
looks
like
a
high
concentration
of
of
people
in
an
encampment
and
that's
the
one
that
I
would
target.
But
I
don't
know
because
that
that's
something
that
you
guys
will
determine.
So
if
you
can
give
us
more
clarity
on
that,
it
will
be
great.
Please
thank
you.
A
Somebody
can
come
into
them
and
go
out
of
them
like
pretty
quickly,
but
there
are
certain
areas
that
we
know
and
the
these
areas
are
basically
the
same
as
the
areas
that
we've
identified
for
the
clean
neighborhoods
program,
where
we
do
see
really
high
concentrations
of
people
and,
as
I
had
mentioned,
we're
working
with
our
outreach
partners
to
help
us
determine
and
work
with
and
kind
of
prioritize
which
locations.
A
We
want
to
focus
this
effort
on
first,
but
we
do
understand
that
on
a
service
provider
level,
it
seems
that
the
service
providers
do
understand
that
there
are
some
camps
that
just
sort
of
seem
to
have
a
bit
higher
of
a
concentration
of
people.
So
I
wish
that
I
could
tell
you
that
there
was
a
specific
matrix
and
if
that
is
something
that
we
want
to
develop
going
forward,
I
would
be
happy
to
do
so
h.
Michelle.
C
Yeah,
I
I
am
reluctant
to
put
a
set
number
because
the
I
mean
the
point
of
this-
and
I
know
you
know
those
council
members
is
about
public
safety
in
their
public
spaces
and
that's
safety
of
our
residents,
who
are
unhoused
and
our
residents
who
are
housed
it's
about
the
safety
of
our
visitors.
It's
about
the
safety
of
our
businesses,
downtown
and
throughout
the
city
and
the
characteristics
of
encampments,
as
you
know,
can
change,
and
it
isn't
necessarily
contingent
on
that
camp
being
a
very,
very
large
size.
C
But
the
ability
for
service
providers
to
make
connections
that
are
successful
in
helping
people
get
resources
that
they
need,
which
is
a
spectrum
of
resources,
which
is
why
we're
doing
this
phase
two
group
effort
with
so
many
different
service
providers
becomes
increasingly
difficult
as
the
entrenchment
of
the
of
the
camps
deepen,
and
so
that
entrenchment,
as
michelle
has
said-
and
I
think,
as
you
know
very
well-
doesn't
necessarily
switch
like
a
light
switch
when
you
go
from,
say:
nine
tenths
to
ten
tenths.
C
There
are
there's
characteristics
of
camps,
and
so
I
would
be
really
reluctant
to
us
putting
a
hard
and
fast
number
on
how
many
people,
or
how
many
tents
that
that
need.
We
need
to
reach,
because
I
think
the
service
providers
and
council
member
johnston's
peers
at
the
voa
know
they
know
what
they
need
to
work
successfully
with
people
to
connect
people
with
resources
that
they
need.
So
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
putting
a
hard
and
fast
number
on
us
and
mr
tri,
I
have
one
more
section.
I
know
that
we're
running
behind.
A
Is
it
possible
that
that
you
share
once
you
determine
or,
however
you
will
do
this?
Is
it
possible
that
we
can
get
information
on
where
you're
going
in
case?
We
have
questions
from
the
constituents
yeah
whenever
you
determine
whatever
you
go
so
that
we
are
informed
and
if
somebody
asks
we
know
which
one
is
next
or
or
how
what
the
process
is.
A
That's
nice,
so
that
we
have
some
sort
of
parameter
now
now
that
we
know
and
we
knew,
but
now
we
know
we're
gonna,
follow
that
one.
So
that's
good
information!
Thank
you.
C
I
wanted
to
just
address
something
that
we've
been
hearing,
and
I
think
you
also
have
as
council
members,
which
is
a
lot
of
rumors
and
frankly,
a
lot
of
misinformation
about
police
officers,
leaving
our
department
and
concerned
that
our
police
department
might
have
difficulty
in
recruiting
officers.
C
So
I
think
that
bobby
has
a
chart
that
I
want
to
share
with
you.
A
lot
of
those
rumors
are
circulating
with
businesses
and
residents
around
areas
where
we're
seeing
the
need
for
more
police
resources
like
north
temple
and
hearing
that
police
officers
are
either
slow
to
respond
or
simply
are
not
responding.
C
This
is
a
chart
from
human
resources
that
shows
2016
through
this
year
as
much
information
as
we
have
so
far.
How
many
police
officers
have
resigned
or
retired,
and
you
can
start
to
see
that
there
are
some
months
with
more
retirement
or
resignation
year-over-year
than
others,
but
as
we
scroll
over
here
to
the
right
and
get
into
june,
oops
jumped
sorry
it's
jumping
in
june.
You
can
see
so
that's
20
20
here
on
the
bottom
that
we
had
and
I'm
sorry
that's
the
total.
Where
I
have
the
cursor.
C
C
We
saw
another
decrease
on
average,
with
only
three
officers
leaving
and
they
were
all
retiring,
no
resignations,
and
so
and
we
track
this
data,
of
course,
through
human
resources
and
in
september
we're
anticipating
and
I'm
sorry
I
don't
have
those
numbers
in
front
of
me,
but
we'll
continue
to
update
this.
For
you.
Thank
you.
C
There
it
is
september.
Retirements
that
are
anticipated
is
four
with
six
resignations
and
we
know
of
two
coming
in
october.
I
I
think
this
is
is
good
news
but
of
course
it's
evolving
and,
as
I've
said
many
times
before,
as
we
go
ahead
with
reform,
we
want
our
front
line
officers.
We
want
our
police
officers
to
work
with
us
and
and
that
employee
advisory
board
is
the
function.
C
C
But
I
I'm
encouraged
to
see
these
numbers
in
the
face
of
months
of
rumors
and
one
other
good
piece
that
I'll
wrap
up
with
is
that
in
terms
of
recruitment?
You
know,
council
members,
that
some
years
we
have
only
double
digits
of
applications,
some
years
we're
lucky
and
we
get
into
the
triple
digits
of
the
number
of
applications.
C
So
we
welcome
those
who
want
to
come
and
work
with
us
and
we
will
be,
I
think,
ever
extending
that
table
of
conversation
to
our
employees
as
we
have
evolved
the
organization.
So
I
will
leave
it
at
that
and
ask
any
or
answer
any
questions
that
the
council
might
have.
C
Yes,
yeah
there
is
a
new
class
starting
up
and
I'm
wondering
if
rachel's
on
the
line,
because
I
I
want
to
say
that
there's
20
officers
coming
in
and
these
are
positions
that
have
that
are
open
from
resignations
or
retirements
they're,
not
new
positions
being
created,
but
I
I
might
have
to
get
back
to
if
my
number
of
20
is
incorrect.
C
B
Other
questions:
council
members-
okay,
thank
you
mayor
for
that.
We
appreciate
it.
So,
let's
see,
did
we
intend
to
roll
that
into
the
update
on
relieving
the
condition
of
people
experiencing
homelessness
or
are
we
doing
do
you
have
more
on
that
issue?.
B
Because
we
had,
we
had
a
couple
of
questions
that
were
listed
on
the
agenda,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
and
council
members
want
to
ask
well
why
don't
we
hear
from
you
is
somebody
else
on
the
when
you
say,
there's
somebody
else
on
that
call
or
on
the
meeting.
Who
has
the
information
like?
Do
they
have
a
presentation
or
they
have?
Are
they
available
for
questions.
C
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
I
wasn't
my.
I
was
not
told
that
I
was
presenting
for
that
part
of
the
agenda.
B
H
I
I
think
actually
the
mayor
has
covered
this
in
combination
with
some
of
the
other
things,
because
she
spoke
about
several
aspects
of
it.
So
the
only
question
I
think
that
was
outstanding
is
getting
information
to
the
council
members
on
the
cleanup
that
is
going
on
with
the
health
department,
and
we
did
get
some
information
from
rachel
just
before
this
meeting
that
the
administration
will.
H
Let
council
members
know
that
recently
the
health
department
has
been
cleaning
up
areas
that
are
abandoned
camps,
but
not
active
camps,
and
so
the
administration
will
be
getting
back
to
us
with
that
and
then
the
other
question
was
about
the
cleaning
up
of
the
areas,
and
she
did
address
that.
So
I
think
we're
covered
on
that.
B
C
Think
it
was
if
there
are
additional
questions
on
homeless
outreach
strategies.
Michelle
is
here
to
answer
those,
and
I
want
to
clarify
that
we've
received
over
1
000
interest
forms,
which
is
that
first
step
before
we
open
for
hiring
and
450
applications,
which
is
still
an
incredible
number,
given
the
number
of
applications
we've
received
over
the
last
several
years.
Thanks
mr
joe.
B
Thank
you
thanks
for
that
clarification,
council.
Member
of
all
tomorrows
did,
I
see
your
hand
up
again,
nope,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much
mayor.
Let's
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
updates
on
racial
equity
and
policing
and
with
us
for
that
presentation.
We
have
cura
luke
from
the
city
council
office.
G
This
isn't
really
a
presentation
so
much
as
a
quick
sneak
preview.
I
just
wanted
to
share
an
update
and
let
the
council
know
the
council
office
has
received
a
draft
of
a
new
ordinance
on
body-worn
cameras.
The
ordinance
is
supporting
the
state
requirement
of
activating
body-worn
cameras,
the
minute
an
encounter
begins.
G
It
codifies
the
executive
order
of
releasing
footage
within
10
days,
and
it
includes
some
other
practices
that
the
council's
given
policy
direction
on
so
staff
right
now
is
compiling
feedback
on
the
draft
from
council
members
and
we're
planning
to
return
for
briefing
on
october
13th.
G
E
All
right,
let
me
let
me
pull
it
up,
then.
E
So
we
would
be
next
on
the
item
number
three
and
a
four
right
resolution
on
salt
lake
city,
flag,
redesigned
briefing
and
I
believe
I
believe,
mayor
and
rachel,
auto
chief
of
staff
and
lisa
schaefer
chief
administrative
officer.
Doing
this
part
is
that
correct
mayor.
G
The
mayor
just
chatted
that
she's
leaving
the
city
county
building
to
head
home
and
that
she
would
be
back
on
okay,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
skip
that
look
around.
We
can
ask
if
the
administrative
staff
is
here
for
the
earlier.
D
I
think
we
should
wait
for
the
mayor.
Sorry,
I'm
not
sure
that
she
knew
she
was
going
to
be
presenting.
E
Okay,
well,
we
can
go
to
item
number
five.
Then
the
ordinance
early,
notif
notification
text,
amendment
follow-up
are
nick
tarbet
and
john
anderson
and
ignore
us
available.
Let
me
know.
J
E
E
You're
welcome
anytime,
I'm
in
charge.
You
can
do
that.
We're
gonna
turn
over
to
nick
tarbot.
Have
you
start
this
off
and
then
we'll
move
on.
J
Okay,
yeah
I'll
give
a
I'll
start
us
off
here,
give
a
quick
chronology
of
how
we
got
here
since
there's
been
about
a
six
month
delay
between
now
and
when
the
council
last
heard.
This
john
is
going
to
give
a
short
summary
of
what
the
proposal
is,
and
then
allison
is
here
to
help
answer
questions
based
off
of
the
request
from
the
council
for
some
suggestions
on
how
to
amend
2.60
with
this.
J
So
real
quick.
What
we're
here
to
talk
about
is
it's
a
proposal
to
make
changes
to
sections
of
the
city
code
pertaining
to
the
early
notification
of
the
public
and
recognized
community
organizations
for
land
use
projects.
This
would
amend
title
21a
and
title
ii,
chapter
2.60
community,
recognized
organizations.
J
The
council
initiated
this
potential
petition
a
few
years
ago
to
clarify
the
process
for
early
notification.
The
purpose
was
to
increase
awareness
and
participation
by
the
public
of
various
city
projects
while
providing
a
timely
review
for
applicants,
so
this
first
briefing
was
held
on
in
february
4th
of
this
year.
J
During
that
briefing,
the
council
was
generally
supportive
of
what
was
proposed.
The
administration
noted
that
there
was
some
technical
changes
that
needed
to
be
made
that
that
were
discovered
after
the
ordinance
was
drafted.
The
council
said
go
ahead
and
add
those,
and
then
we
came
back
in
march
to
go
over
those.
That's
what
john
will
talk
about
here
shortly
and
they,
the
council,
expressed
some
support
for
those
at
that
time.
Also,
it
was
noted
that
the
proposed
ordinance
is
going
to
impact
chapter
2.60,
the
recognized
community
organizations.
J
I
All
right,
thanks
nick
I've
had
some
connection
issues.
So
if
I
sounds
like
there's
an
issue,
please
let
me
know-
and
I
can
send
all
my
notes
to
somebody
else
so
so
yeah
nick
just
wanted
me
to
kind
of
quickly
just
go
over
the
proposal
itself,
just
because
it's
been
quite
some
time
since
we
talked
about
it.
I
think
the
most
important
thing
to
know
is
that
we're
not
trying
to
do
less
public
engagement,
we're
not
trying
to
avoid
community.
I
Public
engagement,
so
just
overall
and
quickly,
the
the
major
changes
is
one.
We
added
a
few
processes
that
will
trigger
going
through
the
public
engagement
process.
I
was
design
review
and
then
new
construction,
historic
district,
which
in
the
past
didn't
require
that
we
added
an
early
notification
process,
and
this
is
new
and
it
requires,
as
soon
as
we
have
a
complete
application.
I
I
I
E
It's
okay:
it's
been
technical
issues
across
the
board,
so
you're,
not
the
only
one,
nick
tarbot,
I'm
assuming
he's
referring
to
you
unless
it's
the
norris.
J
Yeah
I've
got
them
here.
I
I
guess
we
could
ask.
Does
the
council
need
that
recap
of
what
what
we
talked
about?
What
the
council
was
supportive
of
it
was
in
the
staff
report.
I
guess
maybe
it's
easier
to
just
cut
to
the
chase.
If
you
have
questions
we
can
answer
those.
Do
you
need
that
summary
again?
J
J
J
All
right
so
maybe
we'll
allison.
Hopefully
your
connection
is
a
little
bit
better
than
john's.
Allison
can
step
through
what
the
three
options
are
outlined
in
the
staff
report
regarding
chapter
2.60
potential
amendment.
K
Thanks
nick
hi,
everyone,
allison
parks
here,
senior
city
attorney
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
in
the
staff
report
nick
put
in
three
different
options
for
amendments
for
additional
amendments
to
2.60.
K
So
I
think
it's
important
just
at
the
outset
to
indicate
that
I'm
just
looking
for
guidance
from
you
all
on
how
you
want
to
move
forward
with
this
and
the
options
that
are
provided
in
the
staff
report
are
just
to
kind
of
highlight
the
they're,
not
the
only
options
but
they're
just
kind
of
the
range
of
potential
amendments
that
you
might
want
to
consider
they're
kind
of
along
the
spectrum
of
options
you
might
want
to
consider.
So
please
just
take
them
as
ideas
or
suggestions
and
please
jump
in.
K
If
you
have
any
questions.
Oh
sorry,.
K
K
That
option
is
just
to
adopt
what
has
already
been
proposed
from
the
planning
divisions,
proposed
changes
and
just
leave
the
rest
of
2.60
as
it
is
so
that
leaves
in
place
the
45-day
waiting
period
and
and
then
requires
that
early
notification
for
all
of
those
other
items
that
are
specifically
still
listed
and
not
crossed
out
option
two
adopts
is
a
proposal
to
adopt
more
changes
and
it
would
narrow
the
scope
of
the
things
that
and
the
projects
that
require
early
notification.
K
I
don't
think
it's
presented
in
your
staff
report,
but
there
was
also
an
option
to
adopt
modifications
and
carve
out
exceptions
for
when
early
notification
might
not
make
sense,
and
this
mirrors
what
planning
has
already
proposed.
So
things
like
emergencies
or
amendments
that
might
need
to
be
made
quickly
because
of
enacted
legislation
or
litigation.
K
So
again,
those
are
just
a
spectrum
of
options
and
I
would
love
to
hear
what
your
thoughts
are
and
kind
of
what
direction
you
guys
would
like
to
see
2.60
to
go
to
any
thoughts,
questions.
E
So
nick
tarbot,
can
we
ask
a
question
of
your
clarification
on
the
staff
report.
Yep
in
those
options
there
are
listed,
itemized
pieces
of
there.
Some
of
them
are
crossed
out
just
for
the
council
clarification.
What
is
the
crossing
out
of
that
rituals
mean
so.
J
Or
specifically
for
those,
so
yes
so
and
option
one.
If
we
look
through
that
those
are
all
planning
related
items
that
are
being
proposed,
those
that's
that's
going
over
to
chapter
21
or
title
21.
Those
will
be
done.
It's
just
these
other
ones
would
be
left
at
that
point,
so
those
will
be
done
by
planning
staff
still.
But
the
concern
was
these
other
items.
For
example,
city
code
amendments
is
pretty
wide
and
this
we're
we're
not
necessarily
doing
that
on
all
these
at
this
point
anyway.
J
J
Option,
I'm
sorry
go.
E
B
E
Excellent,
we
just
did
a
brief
overview
of
the
proposal
for
the.
B
Okay,
great
so
we
are
now
to
I
know
the
mayor
wants
to
do
the
flag
briefing,
so
we
can
go
to.
J
E
As
I
looked
at
him,
it
looked
like
the
the
scope
score
and
narrows
as
you
get
to
well.
Not
quite
true,
so
one
seems
like
it's
the
broadest
requirements
for
notification.
Two
seems
like
it
narrows
it
down
to
major
ones,
and
three
gives
a
lot
more
discretion
to
the
individual
departments.
Is
that
about
right?.
E
And
my
gut
instinct
is
to
trust
the
departments
for
option
three,
but
I
know
that's
probably
not
always
where
we
go
with
this.
I
I
wonder
if
two
I'm
trying
to
kind
of
weigh
the
the
the
trade-offs
here
about.
What's
the,
what
is
the
effort
and
time
and
resources
required
in
one
to
do
that
notification
constantly
across
the
board
versus
two,
where
it's
limited
to
maybe
major
sort
of
quote-unquote
major
items.
K
K
B
Yeah
go
ahead:
first
council,
member
dugan
and
then
councilmember
fowler.
G
I'm
kind
of
with
councilmember
johnson
on
the
options
option.
Three
though
my
concern
there
is,
you
know
the
residents
sometimes
feel
like
hey
we're,
not
getting
any
notification
on
anything
there.
They
complain
it's
at
the
last
moment,
and
so,
if
we
just
get
into
the
discretion
of
departments,
we
may
not
have
those,
and
then
we
we
see
a
lot
more
complaints
on
notifications.
G
So
I
I'm
more
in
line
to
the
majors
and
then
we
just
have
to
define
the
majors
a
little
more
specifically,
I'm
not
I'm
not
in
favor
of
just
letting
a
blanket
to
the
departments
to
decide
the
early
notifications.
B
I
yeah
I
I
would
also
say:
maybe,
let's
just
define
it
while
we're
while
we're
doing
this,
so
that
we're
not
back
here
next
year,
because
there
was
some
disagreement
over
what
what
constitutes.
G
K
Yeah,
I
think
that
is
probably
that
probably
makes
the
most
sense
is
to
get
direction
from
you
guys
today
and
then
be
able
to
put
together
a
red
line.
So
you
can
see
exactly
what
that
will
look
like
and
but
if
there's
a
specific
direction
that
you
want
to
give
tonight
about
what
might
constitute
a
major
city
code
amendment,
I
would
love
to
receive
that.
I
Mr
chair,
this
is
an
ignorance.
Can
I
add
a
little
constant
history
to
this,
because
I
think
it's
relevant
to
this
discussion
in
when
we
first
started
this
project.
We
were
asked
to
essentially
do
this
exact
thing
with
all
the
different
departments
and
to
try
to
wrangle
it
in,
and
we
couldn't
find
consensus,
and
so
we
decided
that
we
needed
to
move
forward
with
at
least
the
planning
related
stuff,
because
we
have
some
issues
with
how
and
what's
required
by
noticing.
I
We
have
adapted
and
we're
doing
things
that
aren't
required
by
node
by
ordinance
like,
for
example,
the
current
code
doesn't
require
early
notification
to
next
door,
neighbors
only
to
the
recognized
organization.
So
somehow
you
may
have
a
project
that
is
a
mile
away
from
everybody
who
attends
a
community
council
meeting,
but
the
next
door.
Neighbors
may
not
know
anything
about
it,
and
so
that's
a
big
thing
that
we've
been
trying
to
fix
through
this,
and
so
just
wanted
to
add
that
context
is
that
it
might
be.
I
E
Yeah
I
in
looking
at
the
first
one,
it
looks
like
the
first
one
keeps
most
of
it
intact
and
makes
those
modifications
that
nick
is
talking
about.
It
seems
like
a
safe
sort
of
beginning
point
versus
that
option:
number
two,
which
is
a
much
larger
discussion
about
what
constitutes
a
major
versus
a
minor,
so
I'm
sort
of
I'm
leaning
towards
option
one
as
a
starting
point
for
this
modification
process.
E
K
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
point
out
here
that
if
we
do
leave
the
ordinance
or
amend
it
as
is
provided
under
option
one,
then
it
will
require
early
notification
for
all
city
code.
Amendments.
G
And
and
I'll
just
chime
in
that
would
be,
that
would
be
pretty
problematic
from
a
processing
perspective,
just
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
time
that
it
already
takes
the
administration
to
get
budget
amendments
to
the
council.
We
do
have
a
two
week.
You
know
advertising
requirement
just
generally
and
always
have
a
public
hearing
for
a
budget
amendment,
but
I
don't
think
that
was
the
original
intention
when
the
council
kind
of
first
got
this
ball
rolling.
G
I
Yeah,
mr
chair,
I
think
one
suggestion
that
could
be
it's
a
little
wordy,
but
one
thing
that
could
be
added
is
that
there
are
specific
chapters
that
would
have
to
go
through
the
early
notification.
So
that
starts
to
limit
down
what
level
of
code
changes.
So,
for
example,
if
there's
changes
to
the
building
code
chapter
or
the
parks
chapter,
maybe
those
are
things
that
have
to
go
through
it,
but
maybe
some
if
they're
not
specifically
listed,
then
maybe
they
wouldn't
be
subject
to
it.
B
Yeah,
I
I
mean
we,
I
I
think
we've
gotta
provides
some
kind
of
narrowing
and
I
I
just
am
not
comfortable
leaving
it
as
open-ended
as
it
as
it
stands.
Right
now,.
J
So
remember
would
it
would
it
make
sense,
then?
So
it
seems
to
me
that
maybe
we're
on
track
with
number
one
minus
the
city
code
amendments,
but
we
come
back
like
with
recommendations.
What
nick
just
said
where
we
give
some
we
list
off
a
few
more
specific
sections
of
code
that
would
have
to
go
through
that,
so
we
would
keep
the
items
such
as
major
changes
to
street
capacity
travel
modes.
I
think
councilmember
dugan's
had
good
experience
with
that
recently
that
the
community
was
really
interested
in
that
stuff
upgrades
to
facilities
and
structures.
J
E
Sorry
that
sort
of
was
my
thought
and
one,
but
the
other
thought
was
if
we
were
feeling
strong,
go
with
three
and
then
go
through
department
by
department
and
talk
through
the
details
of
each
one.
B
Well,
I
I
isn't
there
a
way
allison,
I
know
there
is
and
that
you'll
be
able
to
figure
it
out
to
put
forth
the
definition.
That
will
be
easy
to
add
to
later.
If
we
need
to
take
something
out
or
put
something
in.
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
on
this
item.
J
So
if
I
can
just
remind
the
the
public
hearing
was
set
for
october
6th,
but
the
council
will
have
the
option
to
continue
that
to
be
able
to
get
public
feedback
on
this
next
option
that
we
will
come
up
with
for
council
to
consider.
G
Let's
have
a
question
nick
tarbet
and
nick
norris
and
allison
parks.
Can
I
set
up
a
small
group
meeting
with
you.
None
of
us
have
enough
small
group
meetings
going
on
right
now,
but
just
to
kind
of
go
over
some
of
this
a
little
bit
more
in
depth.
For
me,
if
that's
okay
and
any
council
member
any
other,
two
council
members
are
welcome
to
join
that
small
group
meeting.
B
All
right,
excellent,
so
we'll
go
back
to
what
jumping
back
on
to
the
agenda
item
number
four:
the
salt
lake
city,
flag,
redesign.
We
have
with
us
mayor
mendenhall,
who
wanted
to
present
the
process
and
the
end
result
to
us
for
consideration.
So
I'll
turn
the
time
back
over
to
you
mayor.
C
C
Many
years
ago,
a
new
salt
lake
city
flag
made
its
way
up
the
flagpole
at
city
hall,
but
the
design
has
never
been
completely
embraced
by
our
residents,
so
my
team
consulted
with
some
of
the
foremost
experts
in
vexillology,
which
is
the
study
of
flags
and
flag
design,
and
we
decided
to
move
forward
in
finding
a
new
flag
for
salt
lake
city.
So
on
may
1st
we
put
out
an
open
call
for
design
submissions.
C
As
you'll
remember,
we
received
over
600
entries
and
the
salt
lake
city
flag,
design
committee
was
convened
to
narrow
that
field
down.
The
committee
included
10
individuals
from
a
whole
span
of
backgrounds
and
experiences,
and
we
want
to
thank
those
committee
members
for
volunteering
in
this
effort.
C
Instead,
we
followed
some
key
design
principles
on
good
flag
design
to
narrow
that
field
of
over
600
down
to
eight
flags
for
the
public
to
rate
those
key
principles
of
flag
design
are
keep
it
simple,
use.
Meaningful
symbolism,
use
two
to
three
basic
colors,
no
more
no
lettering
or
seals
on
the
flag
and
be
distinctive
or
be
related.
C
So
we
provided
those
same
key
principles
of
design
for
the
public
and
asked
the
public
to
rate
each
design
for
the
symbols
that
were
used,
the
colors,
the
overall
design
and
how
well
each
one
may
represent
salt
lake
city,
and
we
went
from
over
600
design
submissions
to
more
than
6
000
people
responding
to
the
survey
over
the
course
of
several
weeks
and
afterward.
The
committee
came
back
together
to
evaluate
that
survey
data.
C
The
field
of
over
600
was
more
easily
narrowed
down
then
to
eight
top
designs
and
that
I'm
sorry,
the
eight
that
were
out
there
for
the
public's
review
were
narrowed
down
to
two
top
designs.
One
of
those,
and
I
can
pull
it
up
if
you'd
like
mr
chair,
would
you
like
to
see
it.
G
C
Please
yeah.
Thank
you.
Let's
go
first
with
the
honeybee
one
of
the
two
was
a
stylized
black
honeybee
overlaying,
a
golden
honeycomb
centered
on
two
horizontal
bands.
As
you
can
see,
of
sky,
blue
and
white,
and
or
it's
coming
up
sorry,
I'm
looking
at
it.
It
looks
pretty
great
okay,
so
that
that
was
one
of
the
two
and
the
other
one.
C
C
So
it
was
for
me
a
very
touching
and
exciting
revelation
that
the
two
designers
we
selected
both
happen
to
be
the
future
of
our
city
in
these
young
women,
who
are
17
and
18
years
old,
we're
in
a
moment
of
a
once
in
a
generation
time
where
we
are
making
many
dramatic
and
necessary
changes
to
our
city.
I
think
the
change
of
the
flag
is
a
it's
a
perfect
moment
for
us
to
change
that
symbol.
That
represents
the
city
and
our
residents.
C
More
importantly,
and
I
hope
that
the
council
will
find
it
in
their
favor
to
approve
this
design
at
your
upcoming
meeting.
B
Thank
you,
mayor
did
council
members
have
any
questions
about
the
design
or
the
process.
Anything.
E
I
don't
question
per
se.
I
think
they've
done
a
good
job
of
laying
out
the
process,
the
analytics
of
it,
which
is
helpful
and
then
the
narrowing
down
with
the
expertise.
I
know
when
I
I
don't
know
how
many
years
ago
this
was
a
couple
years
back
when
there
was
a
vocal
movement
to
start
looking
at
the
flag,
probably
two
or
three
years
from
there.
E
I
can't
recall
that
that
I
brought
it
up
and
I
remember
getting
feedback
from
the
council
staff
who've
been
around
much
longer
than
I
have
under
their
experience
about
the
previous
effort
to
redo
the
flag
and
the
product
and
how
how
difficult
that
process
has
been.
E
I
don't
know
about
all
the
steps
of
it,
but
clearly
when
it
got
to
the
council
level,
it
got
very
difficult,
and
so
I
I
was
sort
of
warned
in
some
ways
about
wading
into
this,
and
I'm
I'm
very
glad
that
the
mayor
mendenhall
decided
to
dive
all
the
way
in
on
it
and
just
make
it
happen
because
it
can
be
really
problematic
to
get
into
design.
E
But
I
like
I
like
the
fact
that
the
process
was
open
to
the
public.
I
like
the
fact
that
they
took
in
as
much
public
comment
and
analyzed
as
deeply
as
they
could,
and
I
love
the
fact
that
two
young
residents
of
the
city
were
the
impetus
for
the
design.
So
I
I
embrace
this.
I
I'll
support
it
forward.
C
Thanks
councilmember,
mr
chair,
could
I
make
a
comment.
C
This
endeavor
was
really
supported
and
informed
by
a
fantastic
volunteer
who's,
not
from
our
city.
His
name
is
ted
k
and
he
is
the
author
of
a
book
called
good
flag,
bad
flag
and
the
one
who
outlined
those
design
principles
that
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning
and
he
volunteered
to
sort
of
usher.
Our
committee,
through
the
select
that
all
the
selection
processes
we
went
through.
Thank
you,
council,
chair,
for
serving
on
that
committee.
C
There
were.
There
was
a
lot
of
work
that
went
into
it
and
even
though
we'd
schedule
this
much
time,
we
ended
up
needing
much
more
time
meet.
It
was
a
very
thorough
discussion,
but
we
went
into
it
with
ted's
guidance
recognizing
that
it's
it's
not
an
easy
process,
and
I
think
that
many
cities
initiate
a
process
but
can
ultimately
come
to
a
consensus
on
a
design
and
also
that
it
may
take
a
while
for
the
public
to
get
their
arms
around
it.
C
A
C
Yes,
I
know
that
I
think
they
would
love
to.
I
I
told
them
they
could
attend
to
listen
tonight
and
I
don't
think
we
have
any
attendees
in
right
now,
but
I
think
they
would
be
honored
to
do
that.
It
would
be.
C
And
if
you'd
like
for
scheduling
purposes,
we
could
do
it
during
a
work
session
or
ask
them
to
come.
Give
public
comment
at
the
next
meeting.
G
Yeah,
I
don't
have
a
question.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
this
effort.
This
is,
I
think,
actually
more
important
than
people
realize.
Nobody
even
know
knows
what
our
current
flag
looks
like
or
most
people
don't
know
what
it
looks
like
and
if
you
go
to
cities
with
a
really
good
flag,
you
see
the
flag
everywhere
and
it
starts
to
become
a
symbol
of
the
city
and
people
sort
of
coalesce
around
it,
and
so
I
think
this
is
important,
and
I
appreciate
that
it's
happened.
Thank
you.
C
G
B
I'll
just
add
that,
as
a
member
of
the
committee
as
the
segal
lilly,
wasn't
really
my
first
choice
as
a
symbol
but
as
I
came
to
as
through
our
discussions
and
talking
with
the
different
members
of
the
committee
and
really
thinking
about
what
the
sega
lily
symbolizes
as
our
state
flower
being
something
that
grows
in
really
harsh
conditions.
B
It's
it's
rocky
terrain.
It's
not
a
lot
of
water,
but
is
indigenous
to
the
foothills
around
salt
lake
city
and
can
grow
in
spite
of
those
harsh
conditions
and
then
also
that
you
know
not
only
is
it
beautiful
but
that
you
know
its
bulbs
were
able
to
were
eaten
by
indigenous
people
in
salt
lake
valley
and
that
information
was
passed
on
to
the
early
settlers
of
the
valley
to
help
sustain
them
and
build
this.
B
This
city
that
we
call
home
and
then
also
that
you
know,
there's
a
lot,
a
lot
of
different
symbolism
that
you
can
read
into
it.
But
one
of
the
committee
members
pointed
out
that
emphasize
that
salt
lake
city
is
the
only
capital
city
in
the
united
states.
B
And
that's
really
what
you
know
I
it
may,
or
maybe
you
remember
what
ted
said
about
how
you
know
it's:
it's
kind
of
up
to
the
people
that
the
flag
represents
to
really
assign
what
it
means
to
them
and
that
over
time
you
know,
we
hope
that
this
flag
will
be
one
that
is,
is
general
enough
that
it
it
can
speak
to
something
within
all
of
our
residents.
B
So
I
hope
that's
my
hope
as
well
and
now
I
love
the
sega
lily
so
much
that
I'm
pretty
obsessed
with
it
as
a
flower
or
as
a
symbol
for
salt
lake
city,
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
I
was
persuaded
by
the
other
committee
members,
not
not,
unlike
the
the
tenacious
segal
lily
itself,
which
stood
criticism
but
continued
to
flourish.
So.
B
C
Because
you
brought
up
some
of
the
symbolism
that
one
of
our
community
community
and
committee
members
john
hartfixing,
brought
up,
and
there
were
a
few
more
great
symbols
that
he
helped
identify
and
one
is
that
the
white
and
blue
represent
peace
and
justice.
Traditionally,
and
he
said
those
ideals
unite
the
diverse
population
and
symbolize,
the
harmony
of
salt
lake
city
residents,
moving
forward
to
reach
common
values
and
aspirations.
C
The
golden
stamen
of
the
flower
symbolizes
future
growth
that
comes
with
each
succeeding
generation,
and
I
think
that
these
are
the
beginnings.
As
you
said,
of
the
symbols
that
people
will
find
in
the
flag
and
it's
simplicity.
But
I
think
elegance
allows
the
meanings
to
come
from
the
people.
But
another
great
thing
that
ted
k
mentions
and
talks
about
in
his
book
is
that
the
flags
are
supposed
to
be
representations
of
the
people
not
of
the
government
and
so
the
symbol
of
city
hall,
which
is
so
emblematic
to
me
of
salt.
C
E
Madam
mayor
is
all
this
being
documented
down
officially
so
as
we
throw
that
to
the
public
and
for
future
years
to
come,
we'll
be
a
deeper
understanding
of
the
flag
and
what
it
represents
to
folks,
as
they
add
their
own
meaning
to
it.
E
Two
pieces
everything
you've
talked
about
now,
I
think,
is
very
important
in
discussing
the
flag
with
the
public.
I
think
it's
also
critical
for,
after
all
of
us
are
gone
and
anybody
who's
involved
in
this,
maybe
is
not
around
to
have
some
documentation
all
the
things
you
just
talked
about
about
how
the
symbolism,
what
it
meant
to
folks
originally
why
it
was
chosen.
C
That's
that's
a
beautiful
idea,
and
I
want
to
thank
lindsay
nicola
for
spearheading
this
and
finding
ted
k
and
getting
his
assistance,
and
she
is
probably
the
biggest
fan
of
the
flag
outside
of
councilmember
chris
wharton.
C
I
know
that
she's
collected
all
of
this
narrative
and
history.
So
far,
I
think
our
flag
should
have
its
own
wikipedia
page,
at
least
as
a
repository
of
everything
that
how
we
came
about
and
with
the
flag
and
what
the
symbols
are,
that
we've
at
least
initially
identified,
but
we
will
be
sure
to
put
something
on
the
city's
website
as
well
about
the
flag,
and
we
welcome
the
council's
ideas
and
thoughts
on
the
flag
itself.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
mayor
and
thanks
for
all
the
feedback
from
council
members
and
we'll
this
is
on
our
agenda
for
adoption
at
the
next
meeting
so
and
then
we'll
we'll
make
sure
and
reach
out
to
the
two
designers
and
and
have
them
there
so
that
they
can
participate
in.
B
In
that
moment,
all
right,
and
that
brings
us
to
agenda
item
number
six,
which
is
a
report
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair.
I
don't
have
a
report.
Do
you
have
a
report,
mr
vice
chair?
Okay,
then
we
have
a
report
and
announcements
of
the
council
executive
director
cindy
gus
jensen.
Do
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
announce.
H
We
have
two
items:
jennifer
pulled
them
up.
Thank
you,
jennifer.
We
have
wanted
to
ask
your
permission
whether
we
could
do
some
early
advertising
for
the
shared
housing
ordinance
amendments
sro,
and
that
would
just
allow
us
to
keep
that
that
moving.
At
the
same
time,
I'm
asking
you
that
question.
I
also
want
to
ask
if
it's
okay
with
you.
H
If
we
sort
of
package,
there
are
a
lot
of
housing
items
that
are
coming
to
you
and
they
they
could
have
significant
changes
to
our
to
the
face
of
our
city,
and
what
we
thought
we
would
do
is
try
to
work
with
the
mayor's
office
and
with
planning
and
the
can
department
to
come
up
with
a
comprehensive
briefing
on
housing
and
how
how
these
various
proposals
in
to
relate
with
one
another
and
how
they
would
relate
to
the
efforts
that
I
think
hand
is
underway
with
with
the
mitigation
ordinance.
H
So
so
we'd
like
to
get
the
sro
ordinance
advertised
quickly
and
we'd
also
like
to
see,
if
you're
interested
in
that
a
conversation
that
we
hope
would
put
all
of
the
different
pieces
of
the
housing
efforts
in
context
with
one
another.
B
Council
members,
anyone
want
to
weigh
in
on
cindy's
question.
G
I'm
not
I'm
not
opposed
to
early
advertising
for
the
sro,
I'm
not
exactly
sure.
I
completely
understand
what
it
accomplishes,
but
I
think
that's
fine,
but
I'm
definitely
interested
in
the
conversation
about
the
multiple,
large-scale
planning
efforts
to
increase
housing
within
the
city
and
having
those
conversations
in
context
with
one
another,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea.
So
definitely,
yes,
the
other
one.
No
opposition
to
the
first.
H
And-
and
we
may
end
up
doing
early
advertising
only
to
come
back
to
say
to
you
gee,
is
it
okay
if
we
just
hold
off
on
action
getting
this
scheduled
for
action,
so
that
can
be
part
of
the
contextual
discussion
so
you're
giving
us
a
lot
of
flexibility?
H
Thank
you
and
then
the
other
item
is
the
school
board
periodically
the
council
members
typically
meet
with
the
school
board,
and
that
is
scheduled
for
friday,
october
23rd,
and
usually
that
is
the
chair.
Vice
chair,
no,
it's
the
legislative
subcommittee.
I
think
there
we
go
no
chair
vice
chair.
G
H
Chair,
okay,
so
that
will
be
coming
up
and
we
spoke
with
the
chair
and
vice
chair
today
in
their
meeting
about
including
the
city
administration.
In
that
conversation,
so
we'll
just
invite
council
members
to
give
topic
ideas
to
the
staff
or
other
council
members
and
then
we'll
coordinate
with
the
school
district
and
the
administration.
B
Thanks
cindy,
yes,
councilmember
rogers.
B
Okay,
we'll
go
on
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
closed
session,
and
so
I
will
look
for
a
motion.
B
We
it
well,
we
had
contemplated
going
into
closed
session
for
the
purpose
of
discussing
advice
of
counsel
and
pending
litigation.
E
Mr
chair,
I
would
move,
we
go
into
closed
session
for
the
advice
of
council
and
the
penalty
was.