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From YouTube: Salt Lake City Council Work Session - June 2, 2020
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A
Welcome
to
today's
City
Council
meeting
we're
grateful
to
have
you
join
us,
as
you
probably
have
seen,
we've
been
holding
electronic
meetings
due
to
ongoing
practices
of
social
distancing.
Today,
we
would
guess
that
many
people
would
be
interested
in
the
events
over
the
past
weekend.
That
topic
will
be
addressed
in
a
few
agenda
discussions.
Our
second
item
is
a
briefing
with
the
mayor
and
police
chief
to
get
an
update
about
the
curfew,
protests
and
community
conversations
Oh
conversations
over
issues
of
systemic
injustice.
A
We
know
that
many
people
have
comments
about
these
topics
and
we
want
to
also
make
sure
to
show
excusing
real
wanted
to
make
sure
to
share
how
to
make
the
practice
in
the
council's
meetings.
While
we
are
meeting
remotely,
although
conducting
our
meetings
electronically
is
different
from
our
formal
in-person
meetings,
this
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
or
who,
during
our
usual
video
feeds
on
the
council's
agenda,
page
on
our
YouTube
page
Salt,
Lake,
City,
television
or
Facebook
life.
A
There's
no
public
comment
during
the
work
sessions.
However,
please
join
us
at
our
7:00
p.m.
formal
meeting
tonight
to
share
any
comments
that
you
have
about
the
fiscal
year:
2020
2021
budget
or
any
other
agenda
item.
And,
of
course,
your
feedback
is
always
welcome.
We've
been
receiving
a
lot
of
emails,
letters
and
phone
calls,
particularly
in
the
last
couple
days.
Thank
you
for
taking
your
time
to
share
your
comments
with
us.
A
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can
reach
us
by
mail
at
p,
o--
box,
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or
7
6
Salt
Lake,
City,
Utah,
8,
4,
1,
1,
4,
5,
4,
7,
6
or
emailing
us
at
council
comments
at
SLC
go
comm
or
by
calling
our
24
hour
phone
comment
line.
The
number
for
that
is
8
0,
1,
5,
3,
5,
7,
6,
5
4.
Also,
since
we're
receiving
more
and
more
comments
in
writing.
A
All
written
comments
submitted
to
the
City
Council
on
any
topic
scheduled
for
today's
agenda
have
already
been
shared
with
City
Council
members
and
will
be
posted
for
the
public
to
view
on
SLC
Council
comm
will
now
move
on
to
our
work
session
items.
Our
first
item
includes,
let's
see
an
information
and
update
relating
to
the
mayor's
proclamations,
declaring
local
emergencies
for
köppen
19
and
the
March
earthquake.
A
A
Just
one
for
members
of
the
public
tuning
in
the
mayor
is
not
able
to
join
us
right
now,
because
she
is
in
a
policy
group
discussion
with
state
legislators
and
members
of
the
black
community
to
discuss
some
of
the
currency
policies
relating
to
de-escalation
and
use
of
force.
She
will
be
joining
us
later
for
a
discussion
about
the
about
those
issues
and
about
the
curfew
that
was
put
into
place
yesterday
so
Rachel.
A
B
Thanks
Council
chair
and
members
of
the
City
Council
for
having
some
space
on
your
agenda
again
today
to
discuss
the
current
emergencies
and
I
have
to
say
it's
really
strange
to
be
sitting
here
with
you
today,
without
Kova
drily
being
kind
of
at
the
forefront
of
my
mind,
it's
kind
of
almost
surreal.
The
number
of
things
that
I
feel
like
we
have
been
facing
as
a
city
and
I
know
that
the
whole
country
has
really
been
facing.
So
I
am
happy
to
give
you
a
bit
of
an
update.
B
So
that
said,
I
know
that
I'm
sure
you
all
have
been
following
the
news
and
seeing
the
kind
of
the
increased
cases
that
we've
been
seeing
for
the
past
few
days,
which
some
are
attributing
to
the
Memorial
Day
holiday.
I
have
not
gotten
more
specific
local
data
from
the
county
this
week,
I
got
it
last
Tuesday
and
forwarded
it
on
to
you
and
I
haven't
gotten
a
new
batch
since
then,
so
the
county
has,
you
know,
added
some
things
to
their
dashboard
in
terms
of
zip
code,
tracking
and
I
hope.
B
C
Thank
You
Rachel
and
for
a
lot
all
of
the
things.
Thank
you
for
all
of
the
things
is
what
I'm
going
to
say.
First
I
know
how
hard
you're
working
right
now
that
said,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
do
I.
You
know
gotten
a
lot
of
calls
from
constituents,
mostly
business
owners
and
some
large
business
owners
wondering
what
the
potential
timeline
might
be.
Certainly
we
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
because
if
we
did,
we
might
just
skip
2020
all
together,
but
we.
B
It
would
be
that
you
know
again,
there
isn't
a
lot
of
difference
in
terms
of
business
operations
between
orange
and
yellow,
and
so
you
know
to
the
extent
a
private
enterprise
is
asking
you
when
they
may
do
something
different
I.
Think
if
you
look
at
the
Utah
leads
together.
You
know
this
version
of
the
plan.
There's
not
a
lot
of
fun
mental
differences
around
operational
things
that
businesses
should
be
doing
differently.
B
C
Know
can
I
ask
the
quick
follow-up
on
that.
It
is
specific
to
a
question:
I
got
from
a
pretty
large
company
that
is
wondering
if
they
have
over
500
employees
and
so
I
don't
know
if
that
changes,
because
they
are
such
a
large
employer,
they're
trying
to
communicate
with
their
500
plus
employees
on
that
change
a
little
bit
and
having
just
kind
of
a
hard
time
telling
those
employees
how'd
it
go.
So
that
was
the
specific
question
that
I
received
today.
C
B
I
think
that
the
answer
would
would
you
be
similar?
I
mean
that
a
large
employer
is
probably
gonna.
Have
some
difficulty
or
me
I,
don't
know
not
knowing
the
circumstances
operate
in
a
way
that
is
able
to,
you
know,
keep
their
employees
socially
distant
from
one
another,
but
that
has
never
been.
You
know
regulated
in
that
way
by
the
state.
B
Really
from
the
inception
of
this
of
these
phases
there
haven't
been,
you
know,
companies
of
a
certain
size
can
operate,
and
others
cannot
so
that
that
kind
of
remains
the
same
and
I
think
the
advice
is
still
the
same
from
the
public
health
professionals
in
terms
of
trying
to
stagger
operations
or
shifts,
or
that
kind
of
interaction
that
it's
it's
kind
of
a
same
story
that
we've
been
dealing
with.
Okay,.
C
B
Whichever
is
fast,
whichever
is
sooner
so
I'm
happy
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
to
make
sure
I
got
that
right
and
that
we're
actually
getting
that
message
out
in
a
way
that
the
community
is
hearing
it
so
that
you
can
talk
to
your
constituents
about
that
and
I
hope
that
that's
I,
hope
they're
just
having
that
timeline
is
gives
them
some
comfort
and
some
satisfaction.
D
A
B
Last
thing,
I
would
say
is
that
you
mentioned
at
the
outset
of
kind
of
the
question
that
we
began
talking
about
last
week
in
terms
of
the
equity
and
a
response
to
to
certain
areas
of
the
city
and
I.
Think
David
live
back
tried
to
address
some
of
that
last
week.
B
So
that's
still
really
heavily
on
our
minds.
It's
just
been
a
few
days
of
not
focusing
so
much
on
co-head
right
now,
but
it's
still,
it's
still.
You
know
very
present
and
it's
it's
not
that
we
as
an
administration
aren't
focusing
on
it.
It's
just
that
in
terms
of
what
we
have
I
know
that
we've
committed
to
continuing
this
conversation
at
the
elected
official
level
and
as
I
know
that
you
know
the
mayor
has
been
paying
attention
to
the
current
emergency.
B
D
Counselor,
this
is
Amanda
from
the
city
council
office.
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
mention
that,
due
to
some
schedule
changes
the
update
agenda
order
has
been
changed
attentively
to
after
the
local
emergency
update,
there's
a
streets
bond
discussion
and
then
Fire
Department
unresolved
budget
around
4:30
or
so
is
when
we
anticipate
the
mayor
and
the
chief
will
give
an
update
on
the
curfew
and
community
conversations.
After
that
Spungen
amendment
six
and
then
Cindy
who's
interviewed
for
the
city
recorder
position.
This
tentative
change
can
be
viewed
if
you
look
in
the
chat
within
WebEx
I'm.
A
Man
I
appreciate
it,
so
we
will
go
now
to
we'll
skip
to
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
a
resolution
regarding
the
general
obligation
bond
series:
2024
Street
reconstruction
with
us.
For
that
we
have
Kiera
Luke
from
the
City
Council
office.
We
have
Mariano
Scott
the
city,
treasurer
Matt
Cassell,
the
city
engineer
and
Mary
Beth
Thompson,
deef
financial
officer,
I.
D
D
This
bomb
is
part
of
the
funding,
our
future
discussions
where
housing,
transit,
Public,
Safety
and
Street
conditions
were
all
identified
as
critical
needs
without
sufficient
on
those
funding
sources.
One
option
identified
to
reconstruct
the
city
streets
was
to
offer
a
general
obligation
bond
on
the
ballot,
there's
to
consider
a
ended
up
voting
in
favor
of
it
just
a
little
bit
more
background.
A
big
point
in
favor
of
the
general
obligation
bonds
is
the
accountability.
That's
legally
embedded
in
that
process.
The
city
can
only
spend
those
funds
for
the
purpose
that
was
described
on
the
ballot.
D
It's
approved
it
in
this
case
that
was
Street
reconstruction.
After
receiving
voter
approval,
the
city
has
up
to
10
years
to
issue
the
bonds
for
the
87
was
authorized.
They
can
spread
the
issuances
out
that
can
help
minimize
impact
on
property
taxes,
as
well
as
ensure
that
there
are
resources
like
labor
to
do
the
work
in
the
three
years
that
are
allotted
to
spend
bond
funds
once
they're
issued
in
this
case,
thanks
to
existing
bonds
being
paid
off
staff
understands
that
this
issue
is,
should
not
impact
property
taxes.
D
E
The
administration
is
asking
the
City
Council
to
consider
adoption
of
a
bond
resolution
that
would
approve
Dacians
of
20
million
three
hundred
thousands
of
general
obligation
bonds,
but
this
kind
of
proposed
issues
is
the
second
block
of
bonds,
just
as
Sakura
mentioned,
and
the
first
block
was
issued
last
year
in
amount
of
20
million,
exhibit
1
included
in
the
transmittal
details.
Street
projects
selected
for
this
issuance.
E
The
current
plan
calls
for
the
adoption
of
the
bond
resolution
on
July
7th
and
was
to
be
sold
on
August
18th,
when
this
transmittal
was
being
prepared,
the
city's
financial
advisors
estimated
that
we
could
anticipate
a
true
interest
around
2%.
Since
then,
tax-exempt
yields
continued
to
decrease
in
the
current
market.
The
city
may
expect
a
lower
rate.
However,
interest
rates
fluctuate
and
it
is
difficult
to
predict
what
is
going
to
happen
in
August
because
of
the
high
volatility
in
the
market.
The
sale
date
minded
postponed
to
capture
the
most
beneficial
rate
for
the
city.
A
Okay,
I,
don't
see,
I,
don't
see
anybody's
Oh,
council
member
Gillian.
F
So
we
have
the
first
issue
that
went
out
last
year
and
we
have
current
year
suspended
this
one's
going
out
this
year
and
we
have
three
years
to
spend
it
correct.
Okay,
where
are
we
concerned
at
all
in
spending
the
first
obligation
within
that
three
years,
and
do
we
have
the
manpower
and
the
resources
to
have
both
of
them
at
the
same
going?
At
the
same
time,.
E
D
G
D
F
A
Okay!
Thank
you!
So
much.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
marina
and
got
a
nat
and
Mary
Beth
and
Thank
You
Kara
for
leading
us
through.
That
discussion
will
now
go
to
agenda
item
number
five,
which
is
the
fire
department
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2020
2021
and
leading
our
discussion
or
starting
off
our
discussion.
We
have
Jennifer
Bruno,
the
City
Council
deputy
director
and
once
she
gives
an
overview
shall
I
hand
it
off
to
she
Carly,
who
is
the
Hawaiian
government?
I
And
council
members
just
a
really
quick
overview
before
the
chief
Johnson,
the
fire
department.
I'm,
is
about
a
forty
two
point:
seven
million
dollar
budget
with
366
employees,
firefighters,
are
stationed
at
14,
strategically
located
fire
stations
are
in
the
city,
including
the
International
Airport
I
would
point
you
to
the
mission
and
vision
statements
on
pages,
44
and
45
of
the
budget
book
to
get
an
overview
of
the
mission
of
the
fire
department,
but
there's
also
a
really
great
attachment
to
the
staff
report.
I
H
Thanks
Jennifer
I
appreciate
that
nice
introduction
good
afternoon.
Everyone
I,
don't
think
the
mayor
was
able
to
join
us
right
now,
but
chief
of
staff,
otto,
a
chief
administrative
officer,
Schaefer
I,
think
you're
here
with
us
council
executive
director,
just
Jensen
council,
chair,
I,
appreciate
you
having
me
mr.
warden
and
the
rest
of
the
council
thanks
for
giving
me
a
little
bit
of
time.
I'll
give
you
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
where
we
are
on
the
fire
department.
I
also
have
on
the
line
with
me,
my
financial
analyst
Clint
Rasmussen.
H
H
Thank
you
that
one
okay,
so
just
an
overview
of
really
quick
overview
of
who
we
are
how
we
fit
into
the
city.
As
far
as
a
budget,
we
have
356
total
employees.
We
have
an
additional
ten
ten
unfunded
employees
in
anticipation
of
absences.
The
council
is
a
word
granted
us
that
ability
due
to
up
staff
so
to
speak,
to
try
and
avoid
lengthy
absenteeism
in
the
department.
We
have
341
sworn
positions,
we
have
15
civilians
and
we
have
57
fire
department.
H
Employees
in
support,
so
out
of
the
356
literally
300
of
my
employees
are
out
in
the
field
at
the
fire
station.
Okay,
we
are
the
fifth
largest
department
in
the
city
for
FTEs.
I
have
to
use
that
qualifier.
We
have
the
lowest
turnover
for
the
2020
annual
report
were
about
three
percent
turnover,
so
right
in
line
with
IMS,
I,
believe
and
I.
Think
the
council
office,
as
well
I,
think,
has
a
pretty
low
turnover
generally,
but
for
the
amount
of
employees
that
we
have
it's
exceedingly
low.
We're
very
proud
of
that.
The
people
are.
H
The
firefighters
are
obviously
very
happy
to
be
firefighters
and
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
change
in
2019.
The
city
did
a
higher.
Why
to
analytics
company
to
do
a
survey
for
residents,
satisfaction,
and
we
came
in
number
one
were
the
highest
rated
city
service,
so
we're
also
very
proud
of
that.
We
have
been
for
many
years
many
years
going
now.
So
as
far
as
our
budget
goal
is,
as
you
see
in
the
sheet
our
budget,
forty
two
million
five
hundred
fifty
two
thousand.
H
Ninety
four
percent
of
our
budget
goes
towards
personnel,
which
is
not
different
than
most
of
the
departments
in
the
city.
Six
percent
that
remains,
which
is
approximately
2.5
million,
goes
for
merit
steps
and
increases
in
pension
costs
and
insurance.
So
that's
kind
of
the
overall
look
of
the
fire
department
budget.
Jennifer.
You
go
the
next
slide,
please,
okay.
This
gives
you
a
kind
of
a
10,000
foot
view
of
our
run
volume.
Over
the
last
four
years,
we've
been
pretty
static.
H
As
far
as
service
demands
in
Salt
Lake
City
2019,
we
saw
28,000
921
calls
and
if
you
just
drop
down
to
2016,
we
have
a
very
similar
number
29,000
119
calls
and
they
vary
very
minimally
from
fire
to
medical
as
well.
So
we've
been
pretty
static
in
what
the
residents
of
Salt
Lake
City
want
to
see
from
their
fire
department.
H
Jennifer
next
slide.
Please!
Okay,
here
is
a
rundown
of
our
colvett
impact.
Obviously
the
impact
of
code
vid
19.
We
have
obviously
invested
some
some
of
our
budget
in
PPE
we've
had
emergency
responder
pandemic
leave.
We've
had
wipes
sanitizer
bleach
disinfectant
for
the
stations
for
the
apparatus
and
for
just
the
coming
goings
of
our
fire
personnel
at
the
at
the
fire
station.
H
So
it's
been
a
significant
cost
as
it
as
it
has
been
for
many
of
the
entities
in
Salt
Lake
specifically,
do
our
fiscal
year
2021
budget
we
are
when,
when
the
mayor's
budget
was,
was
proposed
and
decided,
we
had
seven
vacancies
and
one
civilian
position
that
was
vacant,
and
that
was
our
recruitment
and
I'll
reach
individual
Darby
Egbert.
So
she
left
early
part
of
the
year
now,
so
that
amounts
a
272,000
savings
in
vacancies.
H
We're
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
a
recruit
school
later
in
this
year,
due
to
the
hiring
freeze
and
given
that
we've
lost
our
civilian
recruitment
and
outreach
coordinator,
we're
gonna
be
doing
a
little
less
recruitment,
but
we
are
going
to
put
those
responsibilities
on
some
of
my
my
other
entities
and
community
relations
and
continue
to
recruit.
We
continue
to
diversify
the
department
and
look
for
the
best
qualified,
most
qualified
candidates
for
a
firefighter.
H
We
also
are
$100,000
or
a
Perez
equipment
this
year,
which
would
have
amounted
to
two
apparatus
being
fully
equipped
with
new
equipment.
We
will
adapt,
we
will
use
equipment,
that
is
on
reserves
right
now
to
stock
those
new
apparatus
and
we'll
move
forward
at
the
current
time.
We,
since,
since
the
budget
was
proposed,
we
have
an
additional
five
vacancies
in
the
fire
department.
So
right
now
we
are
up
to
twelve,
with
with
the
one
civilian
by
the
end
of
the
year,
I
anticipate
we'll
have
somewhere
between
16
to
20
total
vacancies
in
the
fire
department.
H
By
the
end
of
2021,
Jennifer
last
slide:
please,
okay,
whether
the
budget
is
flat,
whether
we
have
revenue
or
whether
we're
short.
These
are
the
priorities
for
the
fire
department.
Moving
forward.
We
have
a
brand
new
strategic
plan,
I
think
each
of
you
have
been
sent
that
plan
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it.
These
are
the
primary
goals
for
the
fire
department
forward
in
the
next
few
years.
H
So
this
is
really
kind
of
a
short-term
and
a
longer-term
outlook,
but
goal
number
one
provide
unparalleled
public
safety
service,
instrumental
that
is
our
dispatch
center.
We
work
very
closely
with
Lisa
Burnett
and
her
team.
We
look
at
the
software
we're
using.
Obviously
priority
dispatch
has
been
in
discussion
before
with
the
council.
We
look
at
our
response
model.
How
can
we
become
more
efficient?
How
we
become
more
nimble,
make
sure
we
have
the
right
people
in
the
right
place
throughout
Salt
Lake
City
goal
number
two
firefighter
Health
and
Safety.
H
This
is
a
big
one
for
us.
I
think
the
firefighters
invest
a
lot
in
Salt
Lake
City.
Obviously,
we
need
to
invest
in
the
firefighters
there's
a
lot
of
stress.
There's
a
lot
of
anxiety,
there's
a
lot
of
drug
abuse.
There's
alcohol
abuse,
marital
issues,
money
issues,
it's
a
lot,
it's
similar
to
what
we
see
in
the
police
department
and
similar.
H
Obviously,
it's
what
we
see
in
dispatch
as
well,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
emphasize
peer
support
and
mental
health
resources
and
the
kind
of
the
kind
of
the
kind
of
facilities
and
the
kind
of
personnel
and
expertise
that
can
help
our
people
come
back
to
work,
feel
good
about
it
and
be
productive
in
Salt
Lake
and
if
they
can't
we
want
to,
we
want
to
know
that
they
have
a
hand
to
get
back
there.
Okay,
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
improve
workplace
environment.
We've
got
two
brand
new
stations.
H
Essentially,
remainder
of
our
stations
are
in
pretty
good
shape.
We
have
a
stations
that
are
getting
pretty
old
now
and
they
are
going
to
need
some
investment
in
the
infrastructure
and
the
building's
themselves.
So,
but
I
feel
pretty
good
about
where
we
are.
With
that
goal.
Number
three
department,
leadership,
training
and
development
going
to
continue
to
develop
and
expand
an
officer
develop
rogue
officer
development
program.
H
I
want
my
supervisors
that
are
in
place
now
to
train
their
replacement,
essentially
need
to
have
a
more
tangible
and
more
robust
process
for
my
firefighters
to
gain
more
responsibility
and
to
rise
within
the
department.
That's
something
we
haven't
had
for
many
years
and
something
I
want
to
dedicate
resources
to,
along
with
that
we're
gonna
emphasize
continuing
education
and
training
opportunities.
I
am
a
big
believer
in
advanced
education.
I
want
my
firefighters
to
go
to
school.
H
Obviously,
I'd
like
them
to
get
their
degrees,
not
just
an
associate's
degree,
but
I'd
like
to
see
them
get
bachelor's
degrees
and
beyond
the
fire
to
service
is
becoming
more
white-collar
all
the
time.
It's
not
just
going
off
fire
and
swinging
from
a
rope
with
an
axe.
You
know
on
a
baby
in
one
hand
and
and
doing
those
kind
of
things.
It's
it's.
You
have
to
understand
the
budget.
H
You
have
to
understand
communication,
you
have
to
understand
value
and
we
have
to
become
more
meaningful
for
residents
into
the
city
all
the
time,
because
there's
a
trust
factor
there
and
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
that
it's
a
much
bigger,
much
bigger
entity
than
just
going
on
a
fire
and
putting
it
out.
And
lastly,
our
strategic
plan
emphasizes
community
risk
reduction.
H
I
think
we
as
a
Fire
Department,
are
ready
to
have
a
larger
responsibility
and
public
education
working
with
our
emergency
managers
and
right
here,
Salt
Lake,
City,
emergency
management
with
Pam
Lofgren
I
think
there's
a
role
in
there
for
us
to
help
coordinate
what
happens,
particularly
with
all
we're
seeing
this
year.
As
we
said,
2021
has
just
been
an
unbelievable
year
for
very
unique
and
challenging
events
and
I
think
there's
a
lot.
H
H
For
some
of
these
things,
they
may
not
even
be
familiar
at
all
with
Salt
Lake,
City,
emergency
management,
but
I
think
they
feel
very
comfortable
in
most
cases
with
the
fire
department
and
right
now
we
just
don't
have
that
communication
link
with
the
community
on
that
kind
of
level,
so
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
definitely
get
there
in
the
next
few
years.
So
that's
where
we're
headed
I
want
to
reassure
the
council
that
I
know
these
are
difficult
times
for
municipalities
across
the
country.
H
We
understand
that
I
I
can
certainly
appreciate
the
mayor's
commitment
to
everyone's
jobs
and
their
wage,
so
this
was
gonna
be
challenging.
Moving
forward,
we're
we
are
gonna,
be
have
difficulty
with
vacancies
in
the
fire
department.
It's
going
to
mean
an
increase
in
overtime
of
additional
concern.
To
me
is
burnout.
We're
gonna
be
asking
firefighters
to
work
more
often
they're
gonna
be
coming
in,
and
sometimes
they
don't
know.
H
Most
of
you
are
familiar
with
our
four-handed
model.
It's
a
priority
for
myself
and
my
labor
group.
We
are
one
of
the
few
departments
in
the
city
that
is
minimally
staffed.
So
if
I
do
not
have
66
firefighters
in
the
city,
which
makes
us
four
handed
on,
every
apparatus,
I
will
ask
people
to
come
back
and
work
and
fill
those
positions
on
a
daily
basis.
H
Those
calls
24/7
365
days
a
week,
so
we'll
just
kind
of
we'll
just
be
kind
of
chasing
our
tail
for
Lobell,
but
we
will
make
it
work
we
have
done
so
before
we
have
operated
with
vacancies
and
we'll
make
sure
that
Salt
Lake
City
residents
get
the
most
professional
service
that
that
we
can
provide
and
what
they're
entitled
to
so.
Thank
you.
I'll
take
some
questions.
Now.
If
you
have
some.
F
Chief,
you
talked
about
the
vacant,
the
current
vacancies.
Well,
first
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
brief
preciate
very
much.
It
was
very
informative
across
the
board.
You
talked
about
the
six
vacancies
plus
the
one
civilian
currently
and
that
would
go
through
the
fiscal
year
and
then
you
talked
about
losing
up
to
another
ten
people
total
to
416
FTEs.
Is
that
part
of
the
your
budget
to
have
all
16,
or
would
you
look
at
only
having
vacancies
for
six
and
the
budget?
You.
H
Know
that
would
be
part
of
the
budget
councilmember,
so
at
the
end
of
this
year,
I
would
anticipate,
as
I
said,
16
to
18
total
vacancies.
Those
are
all
full-time
employees
that
are
budgeted
but
I'm
unable
to
hire
them
right
now
during
during
our
extreme.
You
know
obviously,
conditions
in
the
city
right.
H
F
F
J
H
Question
right
now:
it's
on
hold
right
now,
council
member.
We
would
like
to
have
those
late
in
the
summer,
maybe
really
in
the
fall.
If
we
can
push
them
back
that
late
I
certainly
want
to
have
camp
Athena
and
camp
prometheus
because
they're
so
popular
and
that's
so
good
for
us.
You
know
just
to
tell
our
community
what
we're
doing
but
I
don't
know
the
answer.
Right
now
is
I,
don't
know
I'm
hopeful,
but
I
have
to
be
realistic
about
it.
We
may
not
be
able
to
women
may
not
do
real
to
conduct
those.
J
And
then
my
other
question
is:
there's
always
been
talk
when
we
talk
with
the
police
department
about
services
rendered
for
the
U
of
U,
or
you
know
that
type
of
thing
looking
at
maybe
cannibalizing
view
of
you
police
department
or
looking
at
those
options.
What
are
our
services
towards
the
University
of
Utah?
Do
we
have
any
idea
how
much
time
and
effort
is
placed
there
at.
H
The
currently
I
don't
know
exactly
how
much
time
or
effort,
but
I
can
give
you
an
anecdotal
idea
that
it's
not
it's
not
significant,
how
much
time
we
devote
up
there,
but
it
is
notable.
So
there
is,
there
is
some
money
that
would
be
involved
in
the
services
we
provide
to
the
university,
but
we
don't
go
out
there
so
often
for
medical
calls
or
fire
call
that
I
believe
it
would
be
a
significant
resident.
D
J
J
A
A
Okay,
all
right
and
thank
you
very
much
chief
I,
don't
see
any
other
questions.
So
thank
you
for
that
presentation
and
all
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
here.
Thank
you
to
you
and
your
team
for
all
that
you
did
to
medical
attention
that
you
helped
provide
over
the
last
weekend.
So
we've
really
appreciate
that
Thank.
A
I
So
this
is
the
second
unresolved
issues:
discussion.
If
you
look
in
your
attachments,
you'll
notice
that
we've
started
tracking
it
in
sort
of
like
a
spreadsheet
form
of
additions
and
subtractions.
So
we
can
start
having
an
eye
towards
balancing
the
budget,
which
is,
of
course,
our
ultimate
goal
for
hopefully
next
week,
so
I've
actually
sort
of
reprinted.
Last
week's
unresolved
issues,
staff
report
with
any
new
information.
That
was
that
we
received
based
on
the
council's
questions
last
week.
So
all
of
that
new
information
is
in
green
in
the
staff
report.
I
I
And
so
just
just
to
scroll
through
it,
we
clarified
that
the
judgment
levy
amount
is
actually
a
little
bit
higher
than
it
was
the
last
version
of
the
staff
report.
So
we'd
love
it
when
changes
in
that
direction.
Exactly
one
point:
five:
six
million.
Instead
of
the
one
point
three,
the
North
Temple
biotic
debt
service.
We
just
clarified
what
council
member
preferences
were
on
that
one
council
member
expressing
the
interest
of
using
funding
to
address
the
evolving
situation.
I
Number
example:
one
council
member
expressing
an
interest
to
hold
it
in
the
general
fund
balance
depending
on
how
a
fiscal
year
21
goes,
so
we
can
figure
that
out
later
we
say
if
you
scroll
down
to
the
bottom
of
page
two,
we
will
work
on
scheduling
policy
discussion
with
the
administration
on
how
to
direct
future
cares.
Act
funding.
I
This
is
a
relatively
new
piece
of
information.
We
had
been
on.
Our
staff
worked
with
finance
to
review
all
of
the
CIP
line,
items
that
are
older
than
three
years
old,
with
the
thinking
that
if
a
CIP
project
was
approved
a
couple
years
ago
and
it
hasn't
moved
or
it
has
$15
sitting
in
it-
which
literally
is
yes
in
some
cases
that
those
are
dollars
you
could
probably
use.
So
these
are
the
couch
cushions
and
what
the
total
amounts
to
is
that
there's
about
four
hundred
twenty-two
thousand
dollars
on
to
that?
I
The
council
could
choose
to
recapture
from
nineteen
completed
projects.
So
this
is
not
projects
that
you
would
stop.
These
are
just
projects
that
are
done
that
you
can
sort
of
scoop
up
the
sort
of
remaining
money
in
those
accounts
it
would
be
one-time
money
and
you
might
want
to
think
about
if
you
would
rather
direct
it
towards
additional
CIP
projects
or
if
you
would
rather
direct
it
towards
balancing
the
general
fund
budget,
because,
obviously
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
topic,
you
could
do
either
roof.
I
There
is
also
in
addition
to
that
422
there's
$250,000
sitting
in
an
account
from
fiscal
year,
15
to
implement
a
city
daycare,
and
this
is
an
idea
that
was
really
important
to
the
council
at
the
time-
has
actually
been
reinforced
by
a
recent
counsels
as
a
policy
priority,
but
the
city
just
hasn't
been
able
to
find
the
right
fit,
especially
for
that
kind
of
money.
So
you
could
decide.
Does
it
make
sense
to
keep
that
money
there
to
keep
your
options
open,
keep
looking
or
since
the
bones
haven't
been
spent?
I
G
G
I
Could
just
be
a
kind
of
issue:
it
is
an
unresolved
issue,
section
yeah.
There
were
probably
five
other
attachments,
but
it
needed
to
be
attached
to
the
staff
report,
so
staff
will
make
sure
that
those
are
uploaded
for
the
public
a
little
later
but
I
just
emailed
it
to
you
guys
in
your
email.
So
if
you
want
to
open
that
up,
that's
where
the
spreadsheet
will
be
at
least
I.
Think
it's
because.
I
Thanks
for
clarifying
that
yeah
set,
my
apologies
happens
sometimes,
okay,
so
continuing
to
go
through
this
and
Amanda.
Don't
worry
about
sharing
the
spreadsheet
yet
because
we're
just
going
through
the
staff
report,
so
I'll,
let
you
know
when
to
share
this
approach.
Me
that'll
probably
be
after
this.
Thank
you
who
thinks
again.
I
I,
don't
see
any
one
to
me
and
second,
we
have
clarified
some
budget
figures
on
what
it
would
take
to
add
various
levels
of
planning
if
you're
interested
in
adding
planning
staff
to
help
with
the
workload
there
and
that's
in
the
updated
version
of
the
spreadsheet.
I
We
are
we've
inquired
with
the
administration.
If
there's
any
unallocated
ace
funds
that
are
left,
I
haven't
heard
back.
Yet
on
that,
that's
an
open
question
and
that's
in
order
to
help
with
excuse
me
with
funding
the
in-between
one
concept
was
raised
for
the
transportation
dollars
is
to
put
those
in
a
holding
account
to
have
the
administration
come
back
and
go
through
what
the
process
is,
that
they
went
through
to
allocate
those
funds
and
make
sure
that
the
council
is
comfortable
with
those
funds
before
those
are
released.
I
The
other
thing
that
the
council
could
do
is
also
consider
a
legislative
intent
on
this
topic
so
that
the
administration
knows
how
you
prefer
they
handle
this
in
future
fiscal
years.
Obviously
it's
still
up
to
the
administration.
You
know
how
the
the
funds
get
decided,
or
at
least
how
to
get
recommended,
but
it
sometimes
helps
them
to
understand
what
your
policy
preferences.
What
kind
of
information
you
would
need
before
you
feel
comfortable,
approving
the
dollars
that
makes
sense.
G
I
We're
still
working
with
the
administration
on
the
logistics
of
carrying
out
the
council's
intent
transfer
their
revolving
housing
trust
fund
dollars
for
development.
It's
possible
that
we
can
actually
just
do
it
by
motion
and
then
that
would
automatically
transfer
all
of
the
loans
and
repayments
to
be
managed
by
the
RDA
we're
just
working
out
the
weeds
of
it.
Then,
in
budget
amendment
number
six,
the
council
will
have
more
information
about
the
administration's
proposal
and
sort
of
an
alternate
funding
source
for
that
proposal.
I
I
The
let's
see
the
council
members
have
indicated
that
it's
a
high
priority
to
address
homeless
service
needs
either
through
can
or
the
public
services
budget,
so
we've
actually
on
the
spreadsheet,
you'll
see
that
we've
listed
it
in
both
places
and
we
can
budget
it's
probably
more
of
the
operational
support
type
allocations
and
in
the
public
services
budget.
It's
probably
more
of
the
camp
clean
up
parks,
clean
up
kinds
of.
I
G
Planning
staff-
one
I
know
in
our
previous
council
meetings:
Nick
Norris
when
asked
about
planning
tab
resource
and
if
they
need
more
staff
to
do
to
look
at
the
entire
city
zoning
and
bring
it
up
to
date.
We
were
talking
about
for
number
of
months
and
years.
He
indicated
I.
Think
the
mayor
said
this
as
well.
They
don't
believe
they
need
more
staff,
he
could
reorganize
certain
in
their
department,
it
gets
sufficient
staff,
you
can
say
I
just
want
some
compromise,
that's
happening.
G
G
I
D
Sorry
that
I
was
just
kind
of
my
bandwidth
gets
a
little
wonky
here.
Thanks
for
that
question,
council
member
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
reorganizing
our
planning
staff
and
looking
at
those
items
that
would
be
typically
by
ordinance
just
that
non
I'm
losing
the
word,
sorry
that
they
would
just
normally
go
through
without
having
a
conditional
look,
and
so
we
are
in
the
process
of
that
we
do
have
an
extremely
high
capacity
of
planning
permits
that
are
going
out
right
now.
D
I
think
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
we're
ahead
of
last
year's
amount,
even
though
we
are
as
far
as
permits
as
even
though
we
we've
seen
a
slowdown
in
the
last
few
weeks,
but
I
think
that's
picking
up
as
well.
I
would
say
that,
given
the
the
opportunity
to
look
at
zoning
and
some
of
the
ordinances
and
look
at
reorganizing
some
of
those
that,
yes,
if
you
wanted
to
fund
another
planner,
we
would
I
definitely
feel
that
that
would
be
well
utilized
within
that
Planning
Division.
So
I
don't
know.
F
I
D
That
would
be
true,
I
think
that
we
also
have
plans
to
meet
with
council
staff
and
even
maybe
in
small
groups,
to
discuss
this
very
issue.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
get
out.
I
know
that
we're
right
in
the
middle
of
the
budget
and
it'd
be
a
perfect
time,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
out
too
far.
Ahead
of
you
know
a
good
study
or
a
good
analysis
of
the
department
and.
I
And
we
can
follow
up
on
with
Nick,
based
on
the
previous
discussions
that
we've
had
I
know
that
sometimes,
when
you
hire
consultants,
it
doesn't
necessarily
alleviate
all
the
workload
for
in-house
staff,
since
there's
still
a
lot
of
obviously
coordination
that
needs
to
take
place
with
it.
We'll
follow
up
with
him
to
get
some
that
and.
C
You
I
don't
know:
Rachael
is
still
here.
Okay,
I
am
wondering
as
to
sort
of
Andrews
question
about
looking
at
our
zoning
and
ordinance
is
in
that
way
where
the
I
know
that
we
have
the
administration
has
talked
about,
and
last
year
we
funded
so
well.
We
put
it
in
our
savings
account
fund
or
whatever
we
this
set
aside
for
an
equity
director
or
somebody
to
look
at
equity,
I.
C
Think
part
of
the
issue
and
part
of
the
reasons
I
would
be
interested
in
looking
at
our
zoning
is
for
the
systemic
racism
that
is
in
is
in
zoning
generally,
and
this
seems
like
it
would
be
a
good
space
to
use
that
equity
person
that
we've
been
talking
about,
hiring
or
maybe
has
been
hired
to
help
inform
how
we're
looking
at
our
zoning
practices
and
our
general
zone.
So
zoning
issues
right
so
I,
guess
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
question
or
or
a
statement
or
something
but
I.
I
Could
just
share
a
little
information
based
on
our
ask
I've
had
a
question
about
that
position
in
particular,
because
we
weren't
sure
the
status
of
it
based
on
it
is
included
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget.
But
it
is
also
like
other
unfilled
positions,
subject
to
the
hiring
freeze.
So
only
six
months
of
the
position
is
included
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget.
I
When
we
asked
about
it,
I
think
that
and
Rachel
would
probably
be
in
a
better
position
to
talk
about
this,
but
that
they
were
hopeful
that
the
equity
plan
that
was
funded
by
the
council
in
the
last
budget
amendment
would
kind
of
set
a
stage
for
this
person,
and
so
you
almost
needed
one
before
the
other.
But
I
don't
know.
B
Thank
You
Jennifer,
you
I,
think
you
pretty
much
said
it
yeah
I
know
this
position
has
been
kind
of
hanging
around
for
a
little
while
and
I
know
that
it's
kinda
one
of
those
things
where
it's.
It
sounds
like
this
really
good
idea,
but
we
don't.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
really
thoughtful
about
this
kind
of
a
higher
and
we're
I
think
just
as
a
city,
especially
just
through
you
know,
the
code
would
crisis.
Where,
were
you
know
more
more
sharply
focusing
on
different
inequities?
B
You
just
want
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
this,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
we
came
to
you
and
asked
for
your
support
with
with
allocating
so
wanting
to
the
equity
plan,
and
as
we
continue
to
sort
of
unload
all
of
this
stuff
and
parse
through
it,
we
they're
they're.
Just
we
have.
We
have
some
vision
around.
E
B
That
said,
we're
really
committed
to
putting
a
draft
or
a
framework
of
the
RFP
out
to
the
community
and
making
sure
that
we're
engaging
the
community
and
what
you
know
our
start
on
what
we
think
the
outcomes
of
the
RFP
or
what
what
we
think
the
outcomes
of
the
study
should
be
so
we'll
be
kind
of
shopping.
That
draft
of
the
RFP
around
with
maybe
our
our
initial
sketch
of
what
those
outcomes
might
be.
B
You
know,
through
the
Human
Rights
Commission
through
different
community
groups
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
really
getting
the
community
invested
in
what
this
plan
could
look
like.
So
that's
where
we
are.
We
have
an
RFP
kind
of
drafted,
but
we're
going
to
start
that
community
engagement
piece
next.
G
At
this
point,
and
that's
where
I
was
planning,
has
enough
staff
to
be
able
to
to
get
a
jump
on
that
now,
where
the
economy
rebounds,
where
as
it
does,
hopefully
we're
gonna,
be
in
a
better
place
to
be
able
to
use
the
resources
right,
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
have
that.
This
point
itself,
like
I,
said
before
you,
it's
Nick
and
his
team
feel
like
they
have
a
band
what
they
need
to
keep
this
from
sugarhouse
to
9
South,
which
we
got
a
few
months
ago.
G
C
You
so
this
is
I'm
not
on
this
particular
subject,
but
I
did
want
to
sort
of
flag
if
we
can
for
a
further
policy
discussion,
it's
not
something
anytime
soon,
but
Jen
mentioned
the
sort
of
couch
cushions
of
that
three-year
CA
of
T
report.
I
would
be
interested
after
budget
season
is
over
and
we're
you
know
somewhere
down
the
future,
a
little
bit
in
looking
at
a
policy
where
we
kind
of
just
required
that
three-year
recapture
or
at
least
look
at,
and
maybe
we
have
it
and
I
just
didn't
know
that
we
had
it
yeah.
I
I
D
Was
in
2017
actually
17,
there
is
a
capital
and
debt
management
resolution
that
guides
the
city's
use
of
debt.
Repayment
of
debt
and
CIP
projects
and
the
council
did
a
deep
dive
and
updated
several
sections
of
that
resolution.
Its
attachment
one
to
the
CIP
staff
report
and
I'm
happy
to
send
it.
If
you
want
to
take
another
look
and
that's
what
requires
a
look
at
old
CIP
accounts
and
the
council
identified
three
years
as
kind
of
a
reasonable.
D
If
we
haven't
gotten
the
project
off
the
ground
and
made
significant
progress
in
three
years,
maybe
there's
not
enough
funding
and
we
should
look
at
it
again
or
maybe
there's
other
obstacles
that
would
require
a
relook
and
maybe
the
funding
could
be
used
somewhere
else
better.
So
we
also
have
the
reporting
ordinance
that
requires
a
report
on
all
of
the
capital
accounts
and
that's
what
I
looked
at
with
finance
to
determine
what
projects
are
completed
and
what
funds
still
exist.
D
K
G
I
That
is
one
of
the
options
that
we
listed
in
the
attorney's
office,
specifically
because
that
came
up
in
the
attorney's
office
budget
discussion,
but
I
think
the
same
would
be
true
in
any
department
right.
The
vacancies
so
across
the
city
there's
six
months
of
vacancy
savings
that,
after
which
departments
can
fill
those
vacancies,
would
help
them.
You
know
with
that
capacity.
D
C
So
you
know
with
that
being
said,
I
think
for
me
just
so
it's
out
there
one
of
the
priorities
as
I'm
sure
doesn't
surprise.
Most
of
you
that
have
been
on
the
council
with
me
for
three
years
as
a
fire
department.
I
certainly
worry
James
is
making
fun
of
me
right
now.
The
only
reason
I'm
laughing
I
worry
about
having
20
vacancies
by
then
by
the
end
of
this
year.
E
L
Jennifer
could
I
add
one
thing.
Yes,
this
is
Cindy
gasps
chanson
in
an
answer
to
councilmember
Baltimore's
question.
Usually
once
money
is
in
CIP,
you
would
try
to
leave
it
there
as
opposed
you.
You
certainly
can
move
it
out
for
another
purpose,
but
you
typically
would
do
your
best
to
leave
it
there,
because
it's
already
so
significantly
underfunded,
but
again,
no
obligation.
I
Ok,
so
the
next
new
item,
so
we
can
go
over
the
housing
programs
I
think
we
started
on
that.
One
we're
talking
about
the
housing
programs,
where
you
can
either
talk
about
it
here
or
in
budget
amendment
number
6.
Maybe
it's
better
to
talk
about
in
legend
of
number
6,
then
we
received
some
information
from
building
permit
review.
I
think
we
talked
about
it
last
week
about
a
very
positive
reviews
that
they've
been
getting
about
having
fire
and
review
located
with
building
services.
I
So
we
just
included
that
information
in
the
staff
report
for
the
police
department
and
some
council
members
have
expressed
interest
in
funding
additional
de-escalation
training
and
requested
a
future
briefing
from
the
police
on
how
they
would
deploy
additional
funding.
I
If
the
council
gave
it
to
them
and
then
the
council
has
been
tracking
a
number
of
policy
issues
that
have
been
raised
by
council
members
and
is
working
to
get
a
better
understanding
from
the
administration
how
these
funds
could
be
used
and
what
kinds
of
framing
of
those
funds
I
think
that
it
probably
is
better
to
wait
for
when
the
chief
is
on
the
line
to
discuss
some
of
these
things,
I
think
that
they're
planning
on
he
and
the
mayor
about
planning
on
joining
the
council
meeting
at
about
4:30.
I
So
we
have
it
as
a
placeholder
in
the
annual
budget.
If,
as
a
result
of
that
conversation,
you
decide
it
makes
sense
to
allocate
some
funds
in
the
budget,
but
that's
certainly
an
option
in
this
budget
and
then
one
one
thing
we
wanted
to
mention.
Since
we've
been
getting
lots
of
public
comment
about
defunding,
the
police
staff
just
confirmed
that
state
law
actually
does
require
a
city
to
have
a
police
department,
and
so
there's
just
certain
logistical
things
that
state
law
requires
us
to
do
and
having
a
police
department
is
one
of
those
things.
I
I
don't
know.
Council
members
are
interesting
that,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
lots
of
comment
today
about
it,
so
we
just
thought
we'd
just
double
check
with
the
Attorney's
Office
and
they
pointed
us
to
that
state.
I,
don't
know
if
there
were
any
other
police
questions
or,
if
will
maybe
save
them,
for
when
the
the
chief
is
on
the
line.
A
I
Then
public
services
we
put
together
a
legislative
intent
for
the
council
to
consider
about
public
services.
If
you
want
to
look
at
that,
we
will
have
the
legislative,
intense
briefing
we're
supposed
to
have
it
tonight,
but
we're
gonna
have
it
on
Thursday
now
instead,
and
so
maybe
we'll
review
suppose
at
that
time
and
the
fourth
Avenue
well,
we
we
bumped
this
discussion
off
of
the
last
unresolved
issues
and
have
listed
it
today,
so
that
community
members
who
were
interested
could
attend
I,
don't
know
if
someone
with
more
experience
on
this
issue.
I
I
have
list
believe
and
not
directly
involved
in
it.
So
I
don't
know
if
someone
is
on
the
line
that
can
speak
more
to
it,
but
based
on
it.
Basically,
it's
has
the
council's
original
intent
attention
appropriation
around
this
topic
been
satisfactorily.
You
know
addressed
I,
don't
know
if
councilmember
Wharton
wants
to
share
your
thoughts
on
that.
A
Yes,
I'm
happy
to
what
we
what
we
originally
asked
last
year,
based
on
my
request,
was
that
we
put
some
contingent
funding
restraints
on
this
particular
project.
The
fourth
Avenue
well
to
address
residents
concerns
about
and
we
they
asked
us
to
look
at
three
areas
specifically
number
one:
the
size
of
the
well
and
number
two
or
the
footprint
of
the
project.
Actually
not
just
the
well
number
two
was
issues
related
to
sound.
A
It
is
quite
a
bit
smaller,
it
is
quieter
and
well,
it's
quieter.
As
of
right
now,
the
design
that's
been
submitted
is
only
about
it's
mostly
conceptual,
and
it's
a
it's
about
a
third
one.
Third
complete.
So
as
they
continue
to
move
forward
with,
with
the
clubhouse
and
with
the
project,
I'll
try
to
find
ways
to
make
it
more
quiet
and
then,
of
course,
the
appropriateness
to
the
neighborhood.
A
There
are
still
so,
as
I
said,
there
I
attended
about
probably
between
the
time
that
the
council
made
this
request.
A
year
ago,
I've
had
at
least
18
meetings
on
this
particular
issue,
one
both
meetings
like
with
individuals
and
me
meetings
with
groups
of
neighbors
and
then
including
all
of
the
meetings
that
were
facilitated
by
Wilkinson
Ferrari.
A
Let's
see
that
there
are
still
some
constituents
who
were
I'm
not
happy
about
some
of
the
issues.
I
think
one
constituent
feels
that
it
doesn't
look
historic
enough.
Another
constituent
who
is
who
has
some
technical
knowledge
about
this
ills
that
it
they're
not
enough,
has
been
done
to
address
the
sound
issue
or
the
quietness
issue
me
feels
really
strongly
that
the
department
has
not
been
diligent
in
addressing
those
issues.
Although
I
know
that
he
he
did
get
have
a
meeting
with
the
deputy
director
of
the
department.
A
The
engineer
that's
assigned
to
the
project
and
I
had
an
opportunity
to
raise
those
concerns
directly
with
them.
He
feels
that
the
meeting
was
inadequate,
but
they
did
attempt
to
have
that
meeting.
So,
let's
see
I'm
trying
to
trying
to
summarize
any
other
I
did
send
out
a
neighbor
and
an
email
blast
about
this
asking
neighbors
to
write
in
with
their
comments
about
and
I
thought
this
it
did
and
I
should
say
and
did
go
back
before
the
Historic
Landmarks
Commission,
as
was
required.
A
The
Historic
Landmarks
Commission,
which
previously
had
expressed
a
lot
of
reservation
about
it
and
did
pass
it
or
did
approve
the
project.
So
are
there
any
questions?
I
can
answer
about.
What's
been
done,
I
will
say
it's.
It's
been
a
pretty
thorough
process,
especially
given
the
the
size
of
the
project,
but
I
do
think
it
would
be
appropriate
and
given
the
very
unique
location
of
the
project,
this
part
I'm,
you
know
going
to
memory.
A
Grove
obviously
has
significance
for
the
entire
city,
because
it
is
you
know,
memory
Grove,
and
so
it's
and
it's
also
very
historic
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
helps
to
us
about
the
process
and
I
can
have
Austin
forward
you,
the
just.
Have
them
send
you
all
the
emails
I've
received
about
this,
but
the
few
that
I
received
since
the
historic
landmark
screening
meeting
Commission
meeting.
I
And
mr.
chair,
if
I
could
just
share
what
people
are
thinking
if
they
have
questions,
Sam
and
Lehua
have
helpfully
clarified
for
me
with
the
key
questions
for
the
council,
which
is
there's
currently
funding
for
this
project
and
public
utilities.
I
But
the
council
has
a
contingency
funds
can't
be
released
until
this
council
decides
that
the
contingency
is
okay
to
be
released
and
then
the
other
question
is:
do
you,
as
a
council,
want
to
adopt
a
legislative
intent
to
help
identify
guidelines
to
guide
future
development
in
historic
parks,
because
that
was
one
of
the
issues
that
was
discovered
along
this
process?
Is
that
there's
not
really
a
clear
administrative
guideline
for
developing
an
historic
park.
A
I
I
am
very
interested
in
the
second
question
and
I
have
told
my
residents
that
I
would
work
about
our
work
through
this
process
to
try
to
ensure,
and
then
this
we
don't
get
as
far
down
the
wrong
track,
as
we
did
on
this
project
in
the
future.
So
I'm
happy
to
work
with
council
staff
and
and
whoever
else
is
interested
and
maybe
put
together
some
initial
thoughts,
lessons
learned
and
then
we
could
bring
that
back
before
the
council.
If
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
start.
F
I
know
that
when
I
first
was
put
on
the
council,
I
was
given
a
lot
of
information
about
a
lot
of
different
things,
and
this
is
one
of
those.
But
if
someone
could
remind
me
really
quickly
what
the
benefit
of
building
this
well
is
for
the
city
as
a
whole
and
what
how
that
fits
in
within
the
public
utilities
system.
Maybe
that's
too
long
of
a
conversation
but
everything's
epic
in
but
I.
Don't
remember
why.
D
D
At
a
high
level,
this
well
services
significant
area
of
Salt
Lake
City's
downtown
during
the
summertime,
so
when
surface
waters
are
lower
as
temperatures
increase
and
like
rock
in
streams
from
the
city's
watershed
decreases
to
a
certain
point
and
water
consumption
increases.
This
well
comes
on
wine
and
we
have
some
maps
mountain
numbers,
so
I
can
follow
up
with
you
on
the
specifics,
but
most
or
all
of
the
city's
dense
urban
core
relies
on
on
the
supply
that
comes
from
this
well
and
I.
D
F
A
This
isn't
a
new.
Well,
it's
a
new
pump
house
for
the
well.
The
wells
been
in
existence
for
probably
80
years.
The
current
pump
pump
station
is
below
ground.
It
was
built
in
the
1960s
and
for
safety
reasons,
and
it's
it's
critical
for
the
department
that
it
be
moved
above
ground.
That's
that's!
Why
there's
no
there's
a
well
there,
but
there's
no
pump
house
thanks.
D
That's
right,
I'm,
sorry,
mister,
chair,
yeah,
that's
the
other
point
is
the
well
is
old
enough
that
it's
you
have
to
code
in
terms
of
the
distance,
that's
required
between
the
maintenance
workers
and
a
power,
a
kind
of
power
source
that
services
and
well
the
transformer
itself
upon
which
the
well
realized
is
also
discontinued.
Like
a
long
time
discontinued,
and
there
may
be
like
two
of
those
models
of
transformer
available
on
the
Intermountain
West
on
there,
you
know
they're
not
for
sale.
D
A
Yeah
I
did
and
yeah.
Thank
you
just
to
close.
There
are
only
two
comments
and
that
I
received
and,
as
I
said,
the
one
tells
that
there
wasn't
enough
attention
given
to
the
historic
and
does
not
making
that
building,
look
more
historic
and
then
the
other
one
and
I'm
just
summarizing
these.
They
go
into
quite
a
bit
more
detail,
but
the
second
one
is,
you
know
expressing
a
very
strong
concern
that,
and
the
issue
of
sound
is
not
addressed
and
that
it's
still
too
noisy.
A
I
J
A
No,
we
have
a
straw
poll
proposed
by
councilmember
Rogers
that
we
removed
the
contingent
seized
on
this
appropriation
for
the
4th
Avenue.
Well,
if
you
would
just
indicate
your
support,
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
it
off,
so
it
looks
like
we
have
comes
when
Romano
is
supportive
council
member
all
tomorrow,
so
supportive
dollar,
supportive,
Johnston,
supportive,
dude
and
supportive
Rogers,
supportive
and
I
will
indicate
my
support
as
well.
Ask
that
the
Department
of
Public
Utilities
continue
to
address
the
noise
issue.
I
And
what
staff
can
do
between
now
and
Thursday
is
maybe
draft
a
little
bit
draft
a
have
a
draft
at
a
legislative
intent
for
council.
Looking
on
now,
the
next
section
is
any
ideas
related
to
contingent
appropriations.
Last
year
there
were
quite
a
few
ideas
that
were
related
to
contingent
Appropriations
this
year.
It
seems
like
maybe
we'll
just
continue
forward
some
of
the
funding.
Our
future
sales
tax
funding
contingencies
is
still
working
through
editing
those
contingencies
to
be
relevant,
based
on
our
current
financial
system
limitations,
and
so
we'll
get
you
a
draft
of
that.
I
As
soon
as
we
have
it,
it
needs
to
go
in
the
ordinance,
the
actual
budget
ordinance,
so
we'll
have
to
have
language
to
you.
There
might
also
be
an
interest
in
the
transportation
funding
and
treating
that,
similarly,
to
a
holding
account
concept
that
the
council
adopted
last
year,
which
is
my
ordinance.
I
You
approve
the
funding
so
that
it's
not
like
you're
saying
no
would
any
of
the
projects,
but
that
you
just
want
to
understand
more
about
it
more
about
the
process,
and
then
it
allows
a
little
more
time,
and
you
know
outside
of
this
compressed
budget
season.
It
allows
more
time
for
the
council
to
meet
with
the
administration
to
understand
why
that
and
then
we've
listed
some
of
the
legislative
intents
that
we've
heard
probably
won't
go
into
detail
on
this,
because
we'll
have
another
discussion
about
it
on
Thursday.
I
A
Yes,
let's
see
I
know
that
council
member
Valda
Morris
asked
for
a
personal
privilege,
I'm
just
wondering
if
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
I
know
that
I'm
I
wasn't
able
to
get
back
to
you
because
we
were
starting
the
meeting.
Did
you
want
to
take
that
moment
now
or
do?
Would
you
rather
do
that
during
a
formal
meeting?
It's
totally
up
to
you.
E
A
I
I
And
then
at
any
point,
if
council
members
don't
feel
comfortable
looky,
this
is
pretty
early
in
the
process
still,
even
though
we're
hopefully
going
to
adopt
next
week,
it
actually
does
kind
of
come
together
really
quickly
at
the
end.
So
alright,
so
the
first
item,
the
first
part
of
the
spreadsheet,
is
dealing
with
revenues.
So
the
first
item
deals
with
new
growth
revenue.
The
mayor's
recommended
budget
does
include
some
new
growth
revenue
that
merriebeth
estimates
based
on
actual
certificates
of
occupancy
and
construction
permits.
I
Frequently
and
I
should
say
in
some
years
when
we
finally
get
the
actual
numbers
from
the
county
or
sorry
from
the
state
tax
commission
and
there's
a
little
bit
more
money
than
what
was
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
and
that
is
ongoing
revenue
because
it's
built
into
the
base
property
tax.
So
we
will
hopefully
get
that
information
where
they're
required
by
law
to
give
it
to
us
by
June,
8th,
but
Mary
Beth
had
conversations
with
them
today
that
they
hope
to
get
it
to
you
guys
or
to
us
this
week.
I
So
we
will
get
that
to
you
as
soon
as
we
know,
and
we
can
plug
that
in
if
there's
anything
above.
What's
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
we
can
plug
that
in
and
then
that
can
be
a
source
of
revenue
for
the
council
to
use,
if
there's
other
expense,
ideas
that
you
wanna
fund,
all
right
and
that's
more
just
informational
judgement
money
is,
is
more
of
a
decision
that
the
council,
if
the
council
want
to
levy
the
judgment
levy
which
would
result
in
one
point,
five
million
in
one
time,
revenue
I.
I
D
A
I
Don't
know
if,
if
the
council
feels
comfortable
doing
a
straw
poll
on
the
judgment,
levy
or
I,
think
that
would
help
it
would
help
staff
to
know,
because
that's
a
significant,
obviously
it's
a
significant
amount.
It
would
mean
that
some
of
the
funding
questions
this
would
be
an
answer
to
mr.
Church
ideas
that
you
guys
have.
J
J
A
D
I
Then
you
could,
let's
see
this
is
more
of
a
conceptual
ideas.
Maybe
I'll
number
on
line
item
number
three
deals
mostly
with
funds
not
encumbered
in
fiscal
year,
19
and
20,
because
we're
also
talking
about
that
in
the
context
of
the
housing
proposal.
It's
the
Community
Land
Trust
money,
that's
sitting
essentially
right!
So
because
we're
also
talking
about
that
in
the
context
of
housing
proposal,
it
may
make
sense
to
wait
on
strong
pulling
this
item
for
the
annual
budget
until
you
have
that
edge
of
them
in
six
discussion
later
either
way.
I
I
We
would
probably
recommend
that
you
put
that
in
a
holding
account
where
the
administration
comes
back
to
you
and
says
how
they
would
recommend
spending
that
or
you
could
just
hold
it
in
fund
balance,
which
is
actually
kind
of
similar
idea.
Anyway,
you
could
hold
it
in
fund
balance
either
to
assess
spending
it
on
our
temple
or
to
assess
you
know.
Maybe
the
general
fund
needs
it
to
balance
at
some
point
in
the
annual
budget,
I
see
councilmember.
J
C
C
J
G
J
G
I
I'll
make
a
note
of
that,
and
then
we
can
focus
on
that
at
the
next
unresolved
issues.
Discussion
which
I
think
will
be
this
Thursday,
and
then
we
put
in
a
placeholder
for
potential
carers,
Act
funding
and
we
still
don't
have
any
information.
We
thought
we
might
have
information
from
the
federal
government
at
this
point
of
how
much
the
city
might
be
getting
in
funding,
but
we
don't
so
you
could
treat
it
as
a
placeholder.
I
Mentally
of
you
know,
once
we
get
carries
act
funding
we
intend
to
address
I,
don't
know,
for
example,
fire
over
time
or
something
like
that
or
fire
PPE,
and
so
that's
why
we
have
the
sort
of
separate
column
for
carriage
funding,
but
if
it
may
or
may
not
make
sense
to
put
it
out
in
the
actual
budget
adoption
process.
So
we
can
just
watch
that
with
finance
as
we
go
all
right
so
now
to
expend
unless
there's
any
questions
on
that.
I
So
on
expense
items
you
have-
and
this
is
just
hypothetical,
so
you
have
the
attorney's
office.
So
one
of
the
ideas
is,
you
could
expand
their
workload
by
restoring
vacancy
savings.
You
could
and
that's
thirty
one
thousand
eight
forty
three,
so
the
amounts
in
the
column
reflect
what
it
would
be.
If
you
wanted
any
one
of
these
ideas,
you
could
add
a
litigator
FTE
or
a
legal
secretary
FTE,
and
these
are
fully
loaded
costs.
So
these
are
salary
and
benefits.
I
I
I
So
an
assistant
me
assistant
city
attorney
is
currently
vacant
and
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
proposes
keeping
it
vacant
for
six
months,
which
are
which
then
they
took
31,000
out
of
the
attorney's
office
budget
to
account
for
that
vacancy
savings.
If
the
council
gave
that
back
to
the
attorney's
office
and
authorized
the
hiring
of
that
FTE,
the
attorney's
office
filled
that
FTE
and
make
that
FTE
could
help
with
workload
yeah.
C
D
I
Right
this
would
be
a
new
entity.
Sorry,
my
internet
connection
keeps
pausing
and
so
I'm
talking
over
people.
These
are
new,
FTEs
and
I.
Don't
know
that
it's
correct
to
say
that
they
are
asking
for
them
and
they're
not
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget,
but
we
we
provide
them
as
information
in
case
the
council
wants
to
add
right.
So
it's
up
to
you.
C
I
So
mr.
chair
I'll,
I'll
I'll
follow
your
direction.
Do
you
think
maybe
I
just
go
through
this
whole
list
rather
than
cuz
it?
You
know,
you
don't
want
a
straw
poll
one
and
have
it
kind
of
in
front
of
others,
and
then
maybe
if
the
council
feels
comfortable,
we
can
plan
on
Thursday
we'll
be
kind
of
a
more
focused
on
the
spreadsheet
conversation.
Yes,
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you
great.
So
then,
in
community
and
neighborhoods
I
mean
kind
of
in
a
similar
way.
We
just
provided
a
couple
of
different
levels
of
planners.
I
If
you
were
to
add
planners
to
the
planning
staff
I
think
between
now
and
Thursday,
maybe
our
staff
will
circle
back
with
Nick,
Norris
and
firm
if
they
do,
in
fact,
it
can
in
fact
handle
that
zoning
rewrite
project
by
just
doing
a
reorg
of
their
existing
staff
or
if
they
need
extra
stuff,
so
we'll
plan
on
revisiting
that
munity
and
neighborhoods.
Some
of
the
funding
for
homeless
services
is
located
in
community
and
neighborhoods,
and
some
is
located
in
public
services.
I
Public
services
is
obviously
more
focused
on,
like
the
parks,
cleanup
I
think
can
does
have
a
little
bit
of
the
homeless
camp
cleanup
on
bing
in
it.
So
we'll
have
to
stop
we'll
get
more
clear
on
which
funding
is
in
which
department
and
what
might
be
needed.
But
we
just
like
this
in
the
interest
of,
if
you
feel
like
the
situation's
not
going
to
necessarily
change
significantly,
then
yeah,
you
might
want
to
allocate
some
funds
there
or
you
can
choose
to
revisit
it
in
a
bunch
of
EMA.
I
The
challenge
with
revisiting
and
the
bunch
of
them
is
that
there
are
fewer
tools
available.
It's
fund
balance,
basically
so
ok
and
this
concept
of
adding
transportation
funds
to
a
holding
account.
So
what
staff
did
is
put
just
the
funds
from
that
transportation
funding
related
to
projects.
So
there
are
a
few
FTE
and
salary
expenses
that
are
paid
with
the
County
Transportation
Fund,
and
so
we
wouldn't
put
those
in
holding
account
but
anything
related
to
a
new
project.
L
Jennifer,
yes,
Cindy
may
I
insert.
We
were
speaking
with
the
chair
and
vice-chair
just
before
this
meeting
and
realizing
that
we
did
not.
We
have
more
business
than
we
have
time
to
get
through
it
between
now
and
the
9th.
So
that's
where
the
idea
of
meeting
on
Thursday
came
up
and
we
have
not
cleared
that
yet
with
councilmembers,
we
had
it
on
our
tentative
list
of
possibilities,
but
the
council
might
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
I've
gotten
a
couple
of
texts
from
people
saying
Thursday
with
lots
of
capital.
L
I
A
A
I
So
one
item
I
realized
I
failed
to
mention
when
we
were
going
through
the
revenue
items
is
that
the
dollar
amount.
That's
in
that
CIP
project
line
item
is
actually.
If
the
council
wants
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
daycare
project,
you
could
add
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
that
amount.
So
I
don't
know
if
the
council
wants
to
discuss
whether
or
not
the
daycare
is.
Is
it
I'm.
A
J
F
I
Let's
see
since
the
spreadsheet
that
I
emailed
to
Amanda
and
to
you
I
added
a
line
item
for
fire
to
restore
the
vacancy
savings
and
fire
based
on
councilmember
Fowler's
interest
have
to
get
the
exact
amount,
but
I
think
it
was
two
hundred
two
hundred
and
something
thousand
dollars.
That
would
be
if
you
wanted
to
restore
the
vacancy
savings
there.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
other
questions
on
that
item.
I
Okay,
then
in
the
police
budget-
and
these
are
just
various
ideas
that
have
come
up
from
councilmembers.
This
was
actually
based
on
last
week's
discussion
before
the
events
of
this
last
weekend.
So
again,
maybe
it
would
be
worth
having
a
deeper
discussion.
What's
the
chief
and
mayor
on
the
line,
but
either
the
four
items
that
came
out
of
last
week's
discussion,
I
think
we
could
probably
we'll
probably
do
quite
a
bit
of
editing
after
today's
discussion
with
the
police.
I
But
the
ideas
that
were
raised
last
week
were
additional
funding
for
overtime
based
on
actuals
used
additional
funding
for
mobile
surveillance
units.
We
got
a
cost
on
that
there
about
$40,000,
each
additional
funding
for
de-escalation
trainings
and
an
additional
funding
for
a
victim
advocate
position
in
police.
This
would
be
separate
than
the
victim
advocate
position
in
the
prosecutor's.
I
In
public
services,
we
noted
in
the
public
services
staff
report
that
the
vacancy
savings
proposed
in
the
budget
will
result
in
quite
a
bit
of
noticeable
service
level
decrease
in
terms
of
the
maintenance
of
city
property,
and
so
we've
added
just
a
general
line
item
for
adding
funds
back
into
that
maintenance
concept.
So
it
would
most
likely
be
in
parks
in
public
lands,
but
we
could
work
with
the
administration
to
figure
out
where
the
appropriate
place
is
for
that
based
on
councilmember
interest.
I
In
that
any
questions
on
them
and
then
additional
funding
for
homeless
camp
cleanup,
that's
related
to
the
line
I.
Don't
we
discussed
earlier
and
then
we're
just
tracking
an
item
in
the
non
departmental
budget
that
would
be
adding
funding
forward
in
between
and
depending
on
council
discussions.
The
source
of
that
is
to
be
determined.
It
could
even
just
be
general
fund
if
there's
sufficient
dollars
once
we
get
the
final
revenue.
C
That's
good
is
this
the
time
where
we
can
talk
about
oh
wait,
and
maybe
you
already
did
bring
it
up,
but
when
we
do
maybe
we
did
a
struggle.
My
brain
doesn't
work
much
these
days
without
like
focusing
because
there's
about
thousand
other
things
I'm
thinking
now,
but
I
was
thinking
of
the
housing
trust
fund,
move
money
and
moving
it
over
to
the
housing
development.
Trust
fund.
C
I
Guys
already
did
do
a
strong
pull
on
it
and
so
I
apologize
I
ended
the
discussion
on
that
spreadsheet
too
soon
that
we
listed
it
in
the
sort
of
other
funds
category
on
what
I'm
working
through
with
Finance
is
to
figure
out.
Do
we
need
to
show
it
on
like
the
budget
line
items
or
is
it
sufficient
to
just
by
motion
say
these
funds
will
be
moved
and
then
you
figure
out
the
budget
as
the
year
goes
on
right,
I,
guess
payments
come
in.
I
You
adjust
the
budget,
so
I'm
just
working
through
the
finance
on
that,
but
the
way
I
see
it
would
be
a
motion
as
part
of
your
budget
amendment
adoption,
both
as
the
council
and
as
the
RDA
and
so
we'll
work
on
that
I.
Don't
know
if
council
members
had
other
questions
on
that,
but
are
you
guys
did
take
a
strong
hold
on
that
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
an
RDA
or
council
now
my
days
are
all
running
together
too
so.
I
I
A
I'm
not
seeing
any
other
questions.
We've
stood
about
15
minutes
until
the
mayor
is
gonna
join
us.
We
had
scheduled
a
tentative
break
that
I
didn't
think
that
we
would
have
time
for,
but
it
looks
like
we
do
now
so
I
think.
Let's
just
go
ahead
and
take
a
few
minutes
and
everybody
need
back
here.
4:30
can.
I
C
A
I,
don't
think
so
because
that
it
all
depends
on
I
mean
if
we
use
all
the
time
about
these
last
two
items
that
we
have
with
the
mayor.
Then
then,
obviously,
yes,
but
we
had
hoped
to
make
it
so
that
we
would
also
have
like
about
thirty
minutes
in
between
our
work
session
and
our
formal
meeting
and
then
just
so,
people
can
think
about
it.
Another
option.
If
people
don't
want
to
meet
on
Thursday
is
we
could
we
could
vote
to
move
our
action
on
formal
action
on
the
agenda
to
a
week
later?
A
We
only
have
to
have.
Excuse
me
non
formal
action
on
the
budget.
We
only
have
to
have
the
budget
approved
by
the
end
of
the
month,
so
we
can
get
there's
plenty
of
room
to
push
it
back
a
week,
and
people
would
rather
do
that.
But
I
would
like
to
remind
you
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
we
have
put
on
the
agenda
for
as
soon
as
the
budget
is
over,
so
it
just
puts
down
that
back
another
week
or
two
as
well.
So
just
something
to
think
about.
A
And
we
can
start
with
questions
that
we
had
to
our
Police
Department,
so
I
had
asked,
in
light
of
the
the
murder
of
George
Floyd
and
the
events
that
took
place
after
that
and
asked
our
police
department
to
come
back
and
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
more
about
a
couple
of
issues
that
are
specifically
related
to
that.
The
first
is
de-escalation
training
that
our
officers
received.
The
second
is
implicit
bias,
training
and
third,
is
efforts
to
recruit
more
more
diverse
officers
to
the
force
and
I.
A
We
I
did
ask
about
those
and
earlier
in
the
budget
briefing
but
and
the
the
department
gave
a
response,
but
I
did
want
to
re-raise
those
issues
and
talk
about
them
a
little
bit
more
in
depth
and
see.
If
maybe
we
need
to
make
some
adjustments
based
on
the
events
that
have
transpired
over
the
last
couple
days.
So
I
appreciate
and
the
police
department
coming
back
to
talk
to
us,
I
will
say
that
we
had
planned
on
having
our
police
chief
he's
not
able
to
join
us
and
due
to
a
personal
emergency.
A
If
you
deputy
chief
doubt
if
you
want
to
just
go
through
each
of
the
those
questions
that
I
just
mentioned
and
see
yeah,
if
you
want
to
just
touch
on
those
and
then
we
can
open
it
up
to
questions
from
Council
members,
Thank.
M
You
chair
mr.
chair,
let
me
first
apologize
by
saying,
of
course,
we're
extremely
tired
and
I
was
notified
with
this
briefing
just
a
little
while
ago,
so
I
mean
I
have
specific
answers.
If
I,
don't
please
ask
follow-ups
and
and
I
can
try
to
answer
those
questions
for
you,
but
as
per
de-escalation
training.
Everything
in
our
Academy
are
revolving
around
the
use
of
force.
M
And
so
that's
that's
everything
that
we
do
in
our
training
academy
is
to
slow
things
down
as
the
best
that
we
can.
If
we
can
do
that
and
to
give
ourselves
time
or
distance
using
either
tactics,
which
is
what
we
teach
for
use
of
force,
tactics
and
and
the
way
we
respond
and
those
tactics,
those
are
all
taught
in
the
Academy.
Over
and
over
again,
it's
built
into
our
basic
lesson
plan.
M
And
then,
of
course,
the
last
class
achieved
that
you
guys
have
given
us
funding
for
is
implicit
bias
and
that
just
helps
our
officers
understand
that
we
all
have
biases,
whether
we
understand
them
or
not,
and
helping
us
identify
those
biases
and
make
better
choices
and
understand
those
choices
as
we
move
forward
and
now
again,
that's
the
escalation,
because
it
helps
us
understand
that
we
may
be
making
wrong
choices
based
on
our
biases
biases.
We
do
fair
and
impartial
policing
classes
as
well.
M
That
help
us
understand
and
be
able
to
just
understand
and
be
able
to
deal
with
those
biases
and
those
those
those
things
that
our
officers
deal
with
every
day.
That
may
cause
them
to
make
bad
decisions,
and
so
we
we
appreciate
the
funding
for
that.
We
just
recently
sent
out
an
update
to
a
fair
and
implicit
bias
from
that
organization
that
we
had
come
in
and
trained
us.
Our
trainer
trainers
that
talks
about
minority
communities
in
the
wearing
of
masks
during
this
covert
19
time,
and
so
that's
been
a
mandatory
class
after
we've.
C
C
And
in
the
Minneapolis
Police
do
any
of
these
classes
address,
holding
each
other,
accountable
and
and
staying.
You
know,
I
think
that
and
I
recognize
this.
You
know
you
work
with
people
so
in-depth
and
in
such
an
intense
situations
you
become
like
family
and
sometimes
it's
difficult
to
to
talk
with
family
about
him.
Maybe
you
shouldn't
or
should
or
shouldn't
do
this
or
whatever
and
I'm
wondering
if
any
of
those
programs
address
sort
of
that
and
empower
other
officers
to
hold
their
their
co
officers
accountable.
C
M
That's
a
great
question:
they
they
kind
of
all
touch
on
it,
but
the
one
that
really
really
goes
into
it.
The
most
is
blue
courage.
Blue
courage
teaches
about
the
the
nobility
of
the
profession
of
policing.
Why
we
all
got
into
this
to
begin
with,
and
it
talks
about
and
teaches
us
to
realize.
You
know
why
we
got
in
this
and
to
hold
ourselves
accountable
to
that
higher
standard,
both
ourselves
and
our
and
our
are
our
peers,
and
also
we
teach
that
in
our
academy
as
well
and
we've
also
have
code
called
909.
M
It's
kind
of
an
internal
culture
code
that,
when
someone
starts
to
get
out
of
control,
officers,
are
encouraged
to
to
say
909,
and
that
tells
them
that
the
hey
I
recognize
you're
outta
control
nation
step
in
I.
Think
I
watched
a
video,
the
other
I
don't
even
know
what
day
it
is
now
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
all
one
big
day,
but
I
watched
the
video
a
little
while
ago,
a
protest,
and
it
was
not
in
Salt
Lake,
but
it
made
me
think
were
actually
we're
gaining
ground.
M
We're
making
we're
making
progress
where
I
saw
a
person
taken
into
custody
and
an
officer
knelt
on
his
neck
for
just
a
second
or
two
and
the
other
officer
reached
over
and
grabbed
his
his
knee
and
moved
it
off
his
neck
and
I
know
that
that
would
happen
in
Salt
Lake
and
because
our
officers
are
trained
to
intervene
and
we
and
we
do,
we
do
try
to
hold
ourselves
accountable.
Most
of
our
internal
affairs
complaints
come
from
our
employees,
not
from
the
public,
and
so
they
do
they
do.
C
Thank
you,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
continue.
Looking
at
I,
also
I've
not
slept,
and
so
I
should
wanted
to
say.
I
know
is
George
Floyd,
but
we
are
not
sleeping
and
I
was
thinking
about
how
to
word
what
happened
and
had
a
word
that
things
sometimes
because
anyway,
so
I
appreciate
that
you
are
looking
at
that
and
I
think.
We
need
to
continue
that
and
and
empower
our
police
officers
to
hold
each
other
accountable
as
much
as
we
can
and
us
to
hold
our
police
officers
accountable
and.
M
I
will
say:
we
need
to
double
down,
we
we
hold
responsibility,
and
this
thing
that's
going
across
gone
across
the
country.
You
know
what
I
mean
the
history
of
law
enforcement
and
the
racism
that's
been
here,
since
you
know
the
19
early
1900s
or
before
that,
it's
just
the
history
and
we
got
it.
We
have
to
own
that
history
and
we
have
to
double
down
and
realize
that
what
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
is
not
is
not
working
in
some
of
our
communities
and
so
we're
doing
that,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
and
for
telling
us
about
the
programs
that
you
have
I
I
appreciate
the
police
department.
I've
gotten.
You
know
comments
commending
the
police
department,
because
chief
brown
and
previous
or
former
chief
Burbank
worked
to
change
certain
things
and
for
the
better,
and
so
we
know
some
somebody
says
they.
You
know,
we've
done
great
strides,
because
those
people
were
part
of
the
Commission
etc,
and
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
we
can
continue
to
improve.
E
There
are
things
that
we
you
know
we
ought
to
improve,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
ask
you
is
we
have
that
in
Internal,
Affairs
right,
like
so
after
that
what
happens
like
if
one
of
our
police
officers
gets
out
of
line
and
doesn't
you
know,
comply
with
what
the
policies
are
or
protocols
water?
Like
usual
measures,
you
know
to
I
wanna
say
banish
me,
but
what
are
the?
What
are
the
consequences
like
of
something
that
wasn't
supposed
to
happen?
The.
M
City
has
tier
threes
that
are
three
tiers
of
discipline
and
the
first
one
is
all
the
facts
before.
If
you
consider
coaching
and
counseling
so,
of
course,
if
it's
a
minor
violation
is
coaching
and
counseling
next
highest
level
is
a
Tier
one
discipline,
which
is
a
letter
of
warning.
The
second
discipline
is
up
to
two
shifts
of
suspension,
and
then
the
third
tier
of
discipline
is
more
than
two
shifts
of
dismissive
suspension
without
pay
or
demotion
or
termination,
and
so
those
are
the
options
that
we
use
to
discipline.
Our
officers.
E
M
To
say
there
are
certain
offenses
that
we
have
to
report
to
peace,
officer
standards
and
training
that
could
affect
their
licensure,
their
other
certain
certificate
to
enforce
the
law
in
Utah.
Those
are
certain
offenses
that
we
report
to
them
by
it
by
law,
but
we
can't
control
where
they
get
hired.
Anyone
where
anywhere
else
and
another
agency
may
hire
them.
I
can
say
we
I
can't
think
of
anyone.
We
hire
from
that's
gotten
fired
anywhere
else,
because
that's
one
of
our
disqualifying
factors
for
us.
A
F
F
M
M
Well,
what
didn't
it's
very
informal
and
when
we
immediately
implement
those
things
other
things
that
we
can
immediately,
which
is
why
you
saw
so
a
few
things
different
last
night
and
you
saw
on
Saturday
because
we
learned
from
our
mistakes
at
some
point:
when
this
all
dies
down,
we
will
do
a
very,
very
in-depth
review
and
then
we
will
change
our
training
and
tactics
based
on
what
we
we've
made.
We've
made
some
mistakes,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
fix
those
mistakes,
but
we'll
do
that.
We
we
don't
wait
till
things
over.
M
We
did
a
hot
wash
the
first
night
we
did
a
hot
wash
last
night
before
we
go
home
so
that
we
learn
from
what
we
learned
from
last
night
will
change
things
a
little
bit
tonight
to
make
it
a
little
bit
better.
So
that's
just
that's
what
we
do
the
informal
hot
washing
and
then
the
when
the
instance
completely
resolved,
then
we'll
go
back
and
do
a
very
in-depth
review.
Thank.
A
You
councilman
Romano.
F
My
question
is
how
we
can
two
things:
get
this
information
express,
what
we're
doing
to
the
community,
but
also
how
the
police
department
can
listen
to
the
community,
for
what
are
some
really
valid
concerns
that
that
we're
hearing
about
that
I
think
deserve
specific
responses
and
I
wonder
what
the
maybe
it
is
just
this
meeting
right
now,
if
there's
anything
you
can
imagine
in
terms
of
it
furthering
a
community
conversation
and
actually
having
a
space
for
that
is
there
I
know?
Is
there
anything
planned
or
anything
that
you
that
you
think
could
happen?
I
know.
M
Chief
Brown
and
myself
both
are
very,
very
open
to
meeting
with
community
members.
We
hope
we
meet
with
the
community
advocates
group.
You
know
twice
a
week,
I'm
Borsalino
Cove.
It
is
suspended
that
but
we're
gonna
start
resuming
it
with
virtual
meetings
for
a
while
and
see
what
happens
with
that.
We
meet
with
we've
met
with
them
for
three
years
and
it
abscent
flows
with
how
many
people
are
coming.
Sometimes
it's
and
sometimes
it's
50.
M
We
meet
with
the
chief
meets
with
his
Community,
Advisory,
Board
and
and
and
we
meet
and
the
chief
meets
with
with
community
groups
all
of
the
time,
and
so
we
will,
but
we
will
always
be
open
to
doing
anything.
We
can
to
open
that
back
up
and
have
you
some
more
forums
that
we
can
meet
with
the
community
and
how
them
expressed.
You
know
their
anger
and
their
frustration
with
us,
and
maybe
we
can
learn
what
they
want
us
to
do
better
and.
M
A
M
Don't
think
there's
ever
too
much
training.
The
only
problem
I
have
with
with
with
training,
is
the
ability
to
get
people
in
there
and
keep
people
on
the
street
to
respond
to
calls
for
service.
That's
my
only
issue
with
training.
If
we
could
train
you
know
fifty
percent
of
the
time
and
put
people
on
the
street,
but
that's
that
would
be
great
yeah,
but
that's
our
only
limitation
is
keeping
people
on
the
street
and
are
keeping
enough
people
on
the
street
to
respond
to
calls
for
service.
So.
A
I
mean
what
about
ongoing
training?
What,
if
I'm,
not
sir,
that's
already
taking
blue
courage
and
I've
already,
you
know,
I'm
a
I'm,
maybe
not
like
the
the
most
senior
officer
but
I'm.
You
know
in
the
middle
there
what?
What
am?
What
does
the
department
do
for
officers
in
that
position
to
make
sure
that
they're
continuing
to
receive
implicit
bias
and
other
training.
M
Well,
we
have
elective
classes
that
they
can
take
and
we
just
opened
up
the
FBI
Virtual
Academy
for
them
as
well,
and
so
they
can
take
classes
from
the
FBI
Academy.
Virtually
we
we,
the
city,
offers
a
reimbursement
for
tuition,
things
like
that
and
we're
always
looking
for
more
classes.
You
know
we're
just
finishing
up
with
this
round
of
implicit
bias
and
and
Harbinger
work.
We
have
to
look
out
there
and
see.
A
M
Training
spout
stops
been
directed
to
look
for
those
right
now
because
we're
just
getting
ready
to
wind
up
these
training
cycles
of
these,
because
this
has
been
a
three-year
training
cycle
for
urban
German,
blue
courage
and
vision,
Baron
implicit.
So
we
just
wanted
to
get
as
many
people
through
as
we
could
and
then
we'll
start
with
something
new
and
so
they've
been
directed
to
look
for
those
things
and.
M
They're,
usually
done
I,
wouldn't
say
internally
I
would
say.
Usually
we
find
somebody
to
teach
our
to
teach
our
instructors
and
certify
our
inspectors
to
be
instructors,
and
then
we
bring
them
in
it.
It's
more
cost
effective
that
way
than
trying
to
bring
instructors
from
outside
inside
of
the
state
and
outside
the
city
in,
for
you
know,
700
employees,
and
so
we
we
teach
our
own
people
how
to
be
instructors,
and
then
they
can
distract
I
mean
it's
kind
of
is
the
we.
M
M
A
A
M
M
Where
we
were,
we
were
starting
to
do
that
when
kovat
hit
and
that
kind
of
just
punted
has
put
us
halt
on
everything
for
us
for
a
while,
but
as
that,
maybe
guys
that
I
spent
a
little
bit
this
summer,
we
can
start
getting
back
in
the
communities
with
our
officers,
not
our
command
staff.
I
mean
we're
there
already,
but
our
officers,
who
are
there
in
the
communities
with
the
people
that
you
represent
right
and
then
they
get
to
know
them
and
they
understand
them.
A
A
M
M
And
so
that's
what
we're
trying
to
focus
on
is
to
get
into
our
communities,
and
you
recruit
those
people,
those
leaders
that
are
within
those
communities
that
and
and
teach
them
and
show
them
that
we're
not
that
we're
not
evil.
We're
not
we're
not
out
there
trying
to
be
racist
and
and
use
force,
and
things
like
that.
A
lot
of
people
just
generalized
stereotypical
ideas
of
police
officers
and
so
I
think
as
we
as
we
try
and
work
with
our
communities
more
and
manage
a
concerted
effort
to
do
that.
A
What
about
like
programs
like
what
you
talked
about
getting
out
in
the
community
like
South
Salt
Lake,
has
done
their
promise
program.
Is
that
something
that
you
think
would
be
valuable
here
to
have
like
young
people
interfacing
with
police?
And
you
know,
playing
basketball
or
doing
other
things
like
that?
I
think.
M
M
A
If
what
if
the
council
wanted
to
and
I
haven't,
we
haven't
had
this
discussion,
I
haven't
even
had
this
discussion,
one
on
one,
the
councilmembers,
but
what?
If
the
council
wanted
to
give
her
more
funding
to
the
department
solely
for
the
escalation,
implicit
bias,
training
and
recruitment
of
diverse
officers?
Well,
what
would
you
do
with
that?
Would
that
change
that
any
of
the
answers
that
you've
given
like,
if
you
had
the
funding
available,
if.
M
A
What
do
you
think?
What
would
be
a
range
of
something
that
would
that
would
have
a
meaningful
impact
on
the
department?
You
know
I,
don't
want
to
give
you
like,
I,
don't
know
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
have
like
you
know
one
one
training
and
then
it's
like
okay.
Well,
you
got
that
done
like
what
would
have
do
you
think
of
me
immeasurable
or
you
know
it's
hard
to
say,
measure
and
noticeable
a
meaningful
impact
on
the
department.
I.
A
A
A
K
K
K
What
I
would
love
is
if
we
could
get
together
and
kind
of
go
over
those,
and
we
can
work
through
the
logistics
of
that
and
the
numbers
associated
the
budget
numbers
associated
with
that.
If
this
is
the
sum,
is
this
something
that
the
council
wants
to
address
in
a
budget
amendment
or
in
fiscal
year?
21
well,.
A
D
K
E
Think
I
think
we
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
we
need
to
work
on
this.
Sooner
than
later,
and
let's
say
we
were
not
able
to
get
all
the
information
together
before
next
week,
because
time
constraints,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
things
going
on-
is
it
possible
that
we
did
set
aside
a
portion
of
our
budget
for
the
purpose
like
we
do
on
a
lockbox
and
then
revisit
after
budget
and
release
the
funds?
If
the
administration
I
think.
K
That
budget
amendment
will
probably
give
you
some
indication
of
what
the
costs
are
associated
with
overtime
for
police
officers,
and
we
can
certainly
you
know
it's
it's
within
your
purview
to
allocate
funding
towards
overtime
for
police
training
or
any
other
police
activity,
and
certainly
with
the
overtime.
So
what
we've
given?
You
is
an
estimate
of
what
we
think
the
overtime
is
going
to
be,
and
we
have
specific
codes
allocated
for
that
overtime.
If
you,
as
a
council,
deem
that
training
is
part
of
the
overtime
allocation,
and
we
can
certainly
accommodate
that
I.
A
I
That
the
information
we
got
for
the
budget
amendment,
which
is
actually
it's
supplemental
information
that
the
council
would
have
to
add
in
to
bunch
of
them
at
number,
six,
which
I
guess
we're
gonna
and
that's
related
to
almost
like
the
past
right
or
or
what
is
anticipated
before
the
end
of
this
current
fiscal
year.
That
you're
in,
if
you're,
talking
about
training
and
needing
to
sort
of
put
together
additional
information
about
training,
we
could
absolutely
put
a
placeholder
budget
in
the
annual
budget
that
you're
also
adopting
next
week
so
you're
doing
at
the
same
time.
I
But
in
my
mind
it
because
it's
money
that
would
have
to
wouldn't
be
likely
be
spent
before
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
Anyway,
in
terms
of
money
for
training,
you
know
money
for
overtime
to
account
for
training.
You
could
put
that
in
the
annual
budget
as
a
placeholder
back
in
the
math
is
like
in
the
$300,000
range,
based
on
what
chief
dad
and
jelly
were
saying
that
you
could
put
in
a
placeholder
and
ask
the
ministration
to
come
back
with.
I
K
A
Yes
and
sorry,
I
just
have
one
more
question.
I
know
other
council
members
do
too,
but
I
I
do
want
to
ask
well
first
I
wanna,
make
it
clear,
I,
think
I
I'm,
very
proud
of
how
our
police
officers
and
have
conducted
themselves.
I
know
there
have
been
a
couple
of
incidents
which
we're
already
looking
into
but
like
by
and
large
I.
Think.
The
our
response
to
the
events
of
the
last
couple
days
have
been
been
very,
very,
very
good.
A
I've
seen
so
many
instances
where
I
felt
like
it
could
have
gone
the
other
way
and
I
was
afraid
that
it
was
going
to
take
a
turn
for
the
worst
and
and
I
I
think
our
officers
were
able
to
avoid
that
situation,
which
takes
an
incredible
amount
of
courage.
So
I
don't
want
you
to
think
that
I'm
asking
these
questions
because
to
be
critical
or
I
mean
not
I'm
trying
to
be
look
at
our
programs
with
a
critical
eye,
but
not
be
critical
of
the
people.
A
And
since
we
had
that
discussion,
we
had
the
police
shooting
in
in
Kentucky,
have
David
mcaddie
I'm,
not
sure,
if
that's
how
you
pronounce
his
name
but
and
there
the
officers
I,
think
in
that
instance,
it
turned
off
their
body
cams
or
there
weren't
body
cams.
If
there's
like
there
was
an
issue
with
body
cams
in
that,
and
that
made
me
rethink
about
our
discussion
here.
Do
you
think
that
you
know,
in
light
of
the
events
that
have
happened,
that
it's
still
wise
to
make
that
that
budget
savings
move
or
is?
M
Be
honest
with
you,
I
wish
every
cop
has
a
camera.
That's
that's
what
we
want
as
we
were
looking
at
this
and
we
wouldn't
present
a
budget,
though
that
was
not
in
the
budget
that
was,
that
was
not
affordable
to
do
do
under
the
contract
or
negotiating.
So
that's
I.
Guess
that's
is
my
short
answer.
Okay,.
A
A
M
F
So,
in
regard
to
the
budget,
I
think
these
things
that
we're
talking
about
are
really
important
and
and
essential
during
this
time.
Right
now
where
the
national
conversation
is
headed,
so
I
guess
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
question
for
chief
Dowd
or
for
staff,
but
why
I
know
that
we
have
a
limited
budget,
and
so
we
had
to
find
savings
everywhere.
F
Why
was
it
the
body
cameras
that
were
chosen
to
be
eliminated?
Are
there
not
other
things
that
that
could
be
eliminated
and
similarly,
why
you
know
I
think
the
the
way?
The
way
my
mind
go
is
going?
Is
that
the
body
cameras
and
the
implicit
bias
and
de-escalation
training
are
essential
and
need
to
happen?
And
if
there
are
things
being
KY
I'm
concerned
that
those
are
the
first
things
that
are
being
cut
so
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
like.
M
I
believe
that
the
body
camera
money
came
from
the
gels
tax
and,
and
we
we
based
that
estimate
on
quote,
we
got
for
another
quote,
but
an
estimate
from
a
vendor
and
that
turned
out
turn
out
not
to
be
the
correct
cost,
and
so,
as
we
were
moving
forward,
trying
to
get
all
of
the
features
that
were
promised
to
us
and
the
numbers
of
cameras
that
were
promised,
it
turned
out
there.
Their
current
quote
is
not
it's
not
it's
not
it's
above
our
budget,
and
so
that's
as
we
were
talking
about.
M
How
can
we
bring
the
body
camera
program
in
on
bond
under
budget
or
on
budget?
We
had
to
cut
cameras
and
we
had
to
pool
cameras
'im,
which
is
what
a
lot
of
departments
around
the
country
do.
They
do
pool
cameras
into
in
certain
positions
like
detectives
who
are
we're
not
out
on
the
street
all
the
time,
but
if
they
go
on
the
street,
they
grab
a
camera,
and
so,
as
I
gave
you
the
your
staff
that
the
recommendations,
I,
think
three
levels
of
recommendations
and
what
those
levels
mean.
I
Not
quite
the
holding
account
idea
and
I
loved
the
creativity,
I
really
do
I
think
that
we
could
look
at
ways
to
carve
out
if
there's
a
specific
aspect
of
the.
I
Budget
that,
like
the
cameras,
so
what
we
could
do
is
say,
leave
the
budget
as
is
or
as
proposed
with
the
intention
of
coming
back
to
amend
the
budget.
The
challenge
there
is
that,
then,
your
only
tool
to
fund
any
additional
needs
you
identify,
is
fund
balance
and
so
to
the
extent
that
you
want
to
use
the
tools
that
are
available
in
the
annual
budget
process
like
a
judgement
levy,
you're
like
new
growth
or
I,
don't
know
what
else
you
would
need
to
have
that.
I
Just
in
that
balancing
conversation,
and
so
we
could,
we
could
look
at
the
the
response
came
in
from
the
police
department.
Just
this
afternoon,
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
and
practice
it
because
it
was
while
the
meeting
was
going
on,
but
we
can
look
at
that
answer
and
figure
out
what
that
what
those
amounts
are.
You
can
put
a
placeholder
in
based
on
those
amounts,
and
then
you
can
compare
them
to
all
the
other
needs.
You
are
thinking
about
what
I
mean.
I
Can
you
can
absolutely
move
things
around,
but
you
have
to
have
consensus
about
what
those
things
are
and
then
the
administration
has
to
agree,
but
the
thing
that
you've
decided
to
move
is
not
needed
so
that
I
should
the
daycare
is
a
perfect
example.
You
could
eliminate
funding
for
the
daycare
move,
that
funding
to
the
police
department
to
fund
cameras,
but
also
many
of
you
would
have
to
agree.
That's
a
good
idea
might
disagree,
and
so
it's
about
balancing
and
I
see
sorry
I
see
councilmember
Fowler
with
her
hand
up
and
well.
K
K
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
how
else
to
say.
I
really
appreciate
Jen
Bruno
kind
of
guiding
us
through
this,
because
this
budget
process
is
incredibly
complicated
because,
right
now
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
was
recommended
as
flat.
So
there
wasn't
recommended
funding
for
body
cameras,
for
example
that
were
then
subsequently
taken
away.
It
was
just
that
we
were
proposing
a
flat
budget
that
reflected
what
we
did
last
year
in
order
to
be
conservative.
So
there's
that
complicating
factor,
then,
in
the
middle
of
that
we've
got
this
civil
unrest
issue
happening.
K
That
is
exacerbating
the
issue
that
exactly
the
issue
that
you're
talking
about,
and
we
are
right
up
against.
You
know
the
passage
of
a
fiscal
year
budget.
In
addition
to
these,
you
know
these
things
that
are
happening
in
in
our
community,
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
nimbly
respond
to,
and
our
processes
make
it
kind
of
difficult
to
do
that.
K
There's
always
a
little
bit
of
a
difference
between
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
and
when
the
council
is
able
to
approve
the
final
council
adopted
budget,
and
so
you
do
have
some
funding
resources
available
to
you
that
you
can
allocate
in
ways
that
were
not
available
to
the
mayor
at
the
time
that
she
recommended
the
budget,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
complicated
issue.
It's
a
complicated
time.
There
are
serious
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
we're
your
partners
in
that,
and
we
want
to
assist
in
any
way
we
can.
K
G
The
first
piece
from
the
boat
on
the
budget
and
Jen
Brunel
is
listening
or
not.
We
do
have
a
number
of
those
lines
that
can
be
reallocated.
We
talked
about
earlier
anything
else.
Technically
those
could
be
put
into
a
open
account
with
intent
to
revisit,
say:
we've
Public,
Safety
machines,
undefined
and
look
at
allocating
those
into
next
fiscal
year,
essentially
be
the
same
as
putting
it
into
general
into
our
general
fund
and
then
saying
we're
gonna
take
this
out
of
the
general
fund
at
some
point,
the
next
six
months
or
at
six
months
we
revisited.
G
G
Yeah,
we
still
have
the
ability.
We
just
have
to
know
that
if
we
kept
it
unallocated,
why
we
did
it
and
the
accountable
dementia
we
did
it
later
on
next
I
think
that's!
We
don't
have
to
rush
through
figuring
out
all
those
things.
If
we're
we
have
a
general
sense.
We
want
to
address
some
issues.
We
could
do
that
right
and.
I
G
G
G
I'm
guessing
a
lot
of
the
councilmembers
yourself,
cheap
others
are
thinking
the
same
thing,
I
respect
the
willingness
chief
Brown
have
to
accept
the
feedback
and
to
take
a
look
personally
at
the
department.
It's
not
an
easy
thing.
Take
the
criticism,
you're
taking
and
still
leave
your
doubts,
so
I
deeply
appreciate
that
strength.
I
really
do
the
questions.
We're
getting
now
are
focused
on
the
number
of
things,
but
there's
a
training
question
about
best
practices
having
more
training
which
I
think
we've
talked
about.
That
probably
takes
money
and
time
from
you
officers
right.
G
There's
a
question
about
structurally
other
things
need
to
change,
which
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
at
this
point.
It
probably
takes
some
time
but
I
think
that
goes
to
the
question
about
accountability
or
for
all
of
us.
Do
you
have
thoughts
or
have
other
processes,
accountability,
questions
people
are
bringing
up
within
the
confines
of
state
law.
You
see.
M
M
How
can
we
change
I
know,
as
part
of
the
IACP
report
recommended
that
we
develop
a
a
panel
from
the
community
to
review
our
policies
and
to
make
recommendations
to
change
them
and
approve
the
ones
that
we
want
to
change
so
I
know
we
were
planning
on
doing
that
before
this
ever
happened.
We
were
moving
that
way
so,
but
as
it
relates
to
creating
another
oversight,
body
I,
just
I,
just
don't
see
what
that
was
I.
G
G
G
How
are
we
going
to
continue
to
improve,
because
this
is
a
long-term
deal
that
when
I
look
at
all
the
issues
that
affect
my
my
neighborhood,
my
community,
lease
of
cause
of
police
interaction
is
one
of
the
major
ones,
obviously,
and
then
looking
at
bad
and
but
there's
also
deeper
issues
that
I
think
are
talking
with
the
city,
healthy,
low-income,
neighborhoods,
health
care,
with
all
these
kind
of
issues
that
are
all
together,
so
I
appreciate
Chief
your
willingness
to
look
at
these
work
with
everyone.
I
really
do
I
deeply
appreciate
you,
your
department.
Thank
you.
G
M
F
Counselor
Johnson,
who
talked
about
the
the
review
board,
but
also
about
the
community
advocacy
group
and
and
I,
know
covert
19th
row
of
wrench
into
the
Machine
there
and
kind
of
stopped
a
lot
of
things.
But
how
is
that
progressing
in
it?
And
how
do
we
get
more
feedback
or
voice
to
that
group
or
a
spread
spread
the
knowledge
around
through
these
times
and
make
sure
that
there
is
some
the
right
voice
from
everybody
and
not
just
to
a
website?
And
or
is
it
really
working
really
well
and
that
I
just
don't
see
it.
M
It
works
it
works
when
it
works
in
it
doesn't
when
it
doesn't
no
I'll
just
say
it
that
way,
because
they,
if
you
check
to
the
members
of
that
group
who
have
been
involved
in
since
you
know
over
the
last
three
years,
they
can
tell
you
the
progress
they've
made.
They
can
tell
you
about
the
the
the
de-escalation
awards
that
they
suggested
that
we
implement.
They
can
tell
you
about
the
policies
that
that
will
change
that
they're
at
their
encouragement
yeah.
M
They
can
tell
you
about
the
10-day
bodycam
release
policy
officer
officer
of
all
students
that
they
champion,
so
they
have
influenced
our
department,
probably
more
than
anyone
else,
but
it's
just
trying
to
get
people
involved,
like
I
said.
Sometimes,
we've
come
and
there's
only
been
four
or
five
people
there
so
but
other
times,
there's
50.
So
I
was
just
trying
to
get
them
involved
and
keep
a
consistent
voice,
but.
F
I
think
getting
involved
is
a
great
thing,
but
you
know
you
just
sent
a
bunch
of
good
things.
They
happen
they
did,
but
there's
a
community
here
that
there's
a
how
does
it
happen
to
get
that
information
out
to
the
community,
because
if
you
don't
hear
that
stuff
has
been
going
on,
good
stuff
has
been
happening.
Truth
community
involvement
with
the
police?
Are
they
doing
a
good
enough
job
to
get
it
out
to
the
community
like
we've
put
in
different
languages,
and
we
put
it
in
different
places?
Is
that.
M
E
That
seemed
like
have
we
ever
had
the
group
or
either
group
come
to
a
council
meeting
and
just
give
us
an
update
of
you
know
the
things
that
they
worked
on
with
our
Police
Department
things
that
they
accomplished.
I.
Think
that
I
think
that
they
would
like
to
accomplish
like
it
hasn't
happened
before,
or
is
it
something
that
we
could
have
happen.
A
Just
somebody
else
want
to
announce,
I
know,
I'm,
never
I,
don't
think
the
cavity
has
ever
come
before
us
that
Community
Action
Group
has
briefed
the
council
before
and
I.
Don't
I
mean
I,
don't
know
that,
like
that's
the
best
way
to
get
the
word
out
to
the
community
about
what
cats
doing
eat
either
so
but
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
wants
to
I.
F
Would
just
echo
that
I
think
that'd
be
one
way
for
us
to
have
an
idea
what
what
the
group
is
doing,
and
so
we
can
help
spread
the
word
through
our
communities.
Great
things
is
there.
It
again
is
here
a
chairman,
a
chairperson
of
this
group,
or
is
it
just
kind
of
just
a
police
department
kind
of
I?
Don't
know
how
does
it
how's
it
organized?
We.
M
M
They
have
some
some
I,
wouldn't
call
them
officers,
but
they
have
positions
that
traditionally
they
were
rotating
those
once
a
quarter
and
holding
elections
went
to
quarters,
so
they
do
have
some
designated
people.
Those
position
changes
quite
often,
but
there
are
some
informal
leaders
of
the
group,
though,
that
we
do
contact.
We
have
issues
and
they
contact
us
so.
F
This
mr.
chair,
this
is
where
I
I'm
kind
of
going
with
council
member
of
olive
oil
says
that
it'd
be
nice
for
us
to
have
that
information.
So
we
can
maybe
give
it
a
little
more
structure,
no
more
authority
but
influence,
whether
in
their
community
or
with
us
hey.
This
is
what
we're
doing
and
we
we
we
want
your
support
and
we
want
your
membership
from
the
different
communities.
F
A
F
L
D
L
Civilian
review
board
Council,
that's
appointed
by
the
mayor.
They
by
some
consent
of
the
council
and
councilmember
Johnston,
has
talked
about
some
ideas
he
has
and
other
council
members
of
also
raised
ideas.
So
I
know
you'll
be
talking
about
that
and
we
also
have
a
possibility
of
something
in
the
budget.
Opening
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes
and
then
there's
the
Human
Rights
Commission
I
I,
think
you
were
remember
of
that
mr.
L
chair,
previously,
yes
and
one
of
the
goals
that
that
commission
has
had
for
a
long
time,
is
to
go
through
and
be
part
of
looking
at
all
the
city
ordinances
to
try
to
bring
more
equity
to
the
city,
ordinances
and
I
know.
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
that
right
now.
So
that's
another
group
that
you
could
have
come
in
and
then
you
and
then
the
CAG
that
councilmember
Dugan
was
just
talking
about.
They
are
an
informal
group
of
people
that
the
chief
has
invited
in
periodically
and
so
we'd
have
to.
L
You
know
check
a
little
bit
more
on
that,
because
they're
not
a
regular
city
board,
but
anything
that
the
councilmembers
would
like
to
do
to
become
more
informed
about
these
things
we
can
do.
You
could
also
bring
in
a
group
of
Community
Council
chairs
or
different
diverse
communities
representatives
that
type
of
a
thing,
and
we
are
keeping
that
document.
A
Would
like
to
learn
the
last
things
that
I
did
on
the
Human
Rights
Commission
was
we
had
a
we
had
some
community
discussions
about
the
Abdi,
Muhammad,
shooting
and
I
would
I
would
ask
the
human
or
ask
the
administration
to
well?
No,
we
can
ask
because
it's
a
joint
board
that
I
would
like
them
to
come
to
us
with
some
ideas
about
maybe
having
community
dialogues
about,
what's
happened
here
and
what
over
the
last
couple
days
and
see
if
they
it
to
activate
that
commission.
A
Want
to
go
to
the
mayor,
we
need
to
move
on
to
to
address
the
other
questions
that
we
have
listed
like
if
there
were
other
questions
about
budget
amendment
number
six
and
I
know
that
I
have
questions
about
the
curfew
so
mayor
and
thanks
for
joining
us
sorry
about
I
mean
we
heard
you
had
some
technical
difficulties.
So
all.
N
A
A
N
Chief
Brown
and
I
reached
out
to
a
number
of
leaders
and
elders
in
the
black
community
and
invited
them
to
come
and
learn
about
Salt
Lake,
City
police
departments,
restraint
policy
and
ask
questions.
They
are
police
officers
led
by
lieutenant
Zayas,
demonstrated
restraint
on
each
other
and
demonstrated
the
full
extent
of
that
restraint.
So
what
if
it's
not
going
well,
and
we
were
very
lucky
to
have
the
attendance
of
I-
don't
have
a
list
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
probably
on
the
news
tonight.
N
A
number
probably
ten
people
were
there
with
us,
and
then
four
people
came
through
a
zoom
meeting
and
we're
able
to
ask
questions
well
what,
if
that
person,
what
if
they
can't
breathe
what
if
they
can't
breathe
in
that
position?
What,
if
they're
hard-of-hearing?
What?
If
tensions,
rise
and
create
a
forum
to
see
and
ask
and
discuss
the
police
department
provided
written
copies
of
all
of
the
policies
related
to
restraint?
They
also
talked
about
implicit
bias,
training,
de-escalation
training
and
the
conversation
moved
also
of
naturally
to
the
national
conversation.
N
And
you
know
in
my
perception
of
the
conversation,
there
was
a
lot
of
gratitude
from
people
there,
including
myself,
to
see
what
our
police
officers
do.
What
that
protocol
actually
looks
like
because
you
sometimes
see
it
on
a
body,
camera
footage
or
a
video,
and
you
don't
get
the
chance
to
have
the
officer
talk
through
what
what
it
is
and
they
expressed
many
people
express
gratitude
for
the
way
that
our
police
operate
and
what
is
explicitly
prohibited
in
our
restraint
policies
and
then
talk
about
you
know
outside
of
Salt
Lake
City
boundaries.
N
This
question
came
up
a
couple
of
times.
How
do
we
get
to
a
place
where
a
Blackman
doesn't
have
to
worry
or
a
black
woman
when
there's
police
car
behind
there's
and
they're,
not
in
Salt
Lake
City
under
there
in
another
state,
another
County,
and
they
don't
know
what
that
department's
policies
are.
Of
course
there
weren't
explicit
answers
in
in
this
discussion,
but
there
there
was
a
question.
N
So
we
said-
let's,
let's
let
this
be
a
beginning
of
an
ongoing
conversation
that
we
could
come
back
to
anytime,
but
really
that
as
leaders
or
some
that
we
inspire
and
encourage
our
communities
to
remain
engaged
for
the
long
haul,
because
this
is
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
and
it's
about
policing,
but
it's
about
housing
and
jobs
and
education
and
digital
equity
and
health
care
access
and
access
to
capital.
It's
about
it's
about
everything,
so
it
was
really
inspiring
time
and
I'm
glad
to
have
met
a
couple
of
people.
N
I
didn't
know
before
and
absolutely
glad
that
so
many
people
who
I've
known
for
a
while
and
that
every
one
of
them
was
a
leader
in
the
community
that
they'd
come
and
participate.
So
that's
what
we
just
did
and
I
give
my
thanks
to
the
police
department
again
and
to
chief
Brown
for
creating
a
culture
in
Salt,
Lake,
City,
Police
Department,
that
is
asking
for
feedback
and
I'm
proud
of
the
work
that
they
do
want
to
talk
about
curfew.
Yes,.
N
N
Obviously,
it's
a
very
sensitive
time,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
all
to
know
and
for
our
public
to
know
that
we
had
no
indication
leading
up
to
11
a.m.
on
Saturday
that
we
would
be
facing
the
violence
that
we
saw
in
the
destruction
we
saw.
So
we
take
intelligence
very
seriously
and
we
also
recognize
that
things
change
without
any
advanced
warning
remained
the
week.
Long
is
something
as
I
said.
This
is
an
iterative
evaluation
and
we
are
open
to
amending
the
length
of
this
if
we
feel
secure
in
doing
so,
can.
A
I
interrupt
you
for
just
a
minute
about
the
intelligence
on
Saturday
like
even
though
we
didn't
have
any
specific
intelligence.
I
mean
we're
always
I
would
imagine.
The
police
are
always
anticipating
that
it's
possible
that
there
could
be
like
any
time.
You
have
a
protest
that
it
could
go.
You
know
getting
I
don't
want
to.
You
know
that
it
could
turn
ugly
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
what
our
officers
did
was
trying
to
prepare
for
that
is
that
right,
absolutely.
N
A
N
Well,
Chris
as
weird
mister
chairs,
we
look
across
the
country
as
we
look
across
the
country.
There's
really
nothing
good!
That's
coming
of
protests
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
the
ability
to
incite
violence
and
destruction
is
a
lot
easier
and
I
think
if
chief
doubts
still
on
the
line,
he'll
tell
you
that
it's
also
harder
to
control
the
middle
of
the
night,
the
security
of
our
streets,
but,
most
importantly,
our
public
and
our
police
officers,
the
property
of
Salt
Lake
City
as
an
entirety.
You
me
everyone
in
this
city.
Those
are
our
priorities.
N
Right
now
and
after
seeing
the
destruction
that
happened
on
Saturday
night
I'm,
not
ever
I'm,
not
gonna,
let
that
happen
again
and
our
Police
Department
doesn't
want
that
to
happen
again.
So
we
we
intend
to
prevent
that
kind
of
escalation
from
happening
and
by
having
the
legal
authority
and
obviously
we're
not
drawing
a
hard
line
at
8:00
p.m.
depending
on
the
activity
of
the
protest.
We
need
that
authority
to
be
able
to
say
it's.
It
needs
to
be
over
now
and
you
need
to
leave
now.
N
A
I,
just
the
reason
I'm
you
know
kind
of
pushing
on
this
is
just
that
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
in
from
or
a
lot
of
texts
and
calls
and
inquiries
from
and
residents
who
are
saying
now.
This
just
seems
really
heavy-handed
and,
like
the
protests
last
night
seem
to
go,
you
know
pretty
well
and
I
just
am
trying
to
you
know.
A
We
obviously
don't
have
all
of
the
information
that
you
do
and
so
I
I
don't
know
what
to
tell
these
residents
that
are
that
feel,
like
you
know
what
they're
seeing
I
guess
maybe
doesn't
justify
this
and
they're,
like
you
know,
does
what
is
having
a
you
know:
Blackhawk
helicopters
flying
around
for
two
hours
on
a
work
night
like
how
is
that
necessary?
What
justifies
that
and
I
can't
you
know
other
than
referring
to
what
happened
on
Saturday
I.
Don't
have
much
more
to
tell
them
well.
A
N
Were
having
protests
that
went
on
without
any
curfew,
I
went
on
into
the
night
and
into
the
morning
that
Blackhawk
helicopters
will
be
flying
a
lot
more
than
two
hours.
The
ability
for
Salt
Lake
City
Police
Department
to
handle
the
situation
as
they
did
last
night
with
the
most
beautiful
professionalism.
N
You
know
it's
really
difficult
for
them
to
be
in
those
70-pound
uniforms
marching
walking
following
these
crowds
around,
and
we
we
had
a
couple
dozen
almost
two
dozen
officers,
many
of
whom
passed
out
from
heat
exhaustion
on
Saturday
night.
It's
really
hard
to
push
those
protests
on
and
on
and
on
even
in
the
night,
it's
it's
warm
out
there,
and
so
anyway,
what
I'm?
What
I'm
getting
at
is
I
appreciate
that
Salt
Lake
City
was
was
able
to
handle
the
on
Street
work.
That
happened
last
night.
M
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know
a
lot
of
times,
even
though
that
the
protests
last
night
was
for
the
most
part,
peaceful.
We
still
had
officers
assaulted,
we
still
had
windows
of
military
vehicles
smashed
out.
We
still
had
people
carrying
guns
in
that
crowd,
but
we
arrested
later
so
it
was
mostly
peaceful,
but
and
so
that's
why
we
have
curfews,
because
we
small
groups,
different
small
groups
that
come
together
become
large,
violent.
It
was
very
quickly,
and
so,
if
we
can
interdict
them
quickly
using
the
curfew,
that's
why
we
have
a
curfew.
N
I'll
reiterate:
if
I
can
mr.
chair,
that
we
would
love
to
see
a
situation
of
peaceful
protest,
continuing
and
not
people
coming
with
loaded
weapons
to
these
protests,
not
people
not
firing
weapons
as
we
had
last
night
and
and
you
know,
if
we
see
that
kind
of
a
change
and-
and
it's
still
in
assessing
the
national
climate
and
local
intelligence,
we
would
love
to
not
have
a
Kirk
I
would
love
to
not
have
our
pou
called
out
every
night.
You
know
we
want
to
get
there
and
I.
N
Think
that's
why
all
of
you
councilmembers
and
I,
keep
saying
to
our
community.
Hey.
We
hear
you,
we
hear
you,
we
want
to
work.
We
are
ready
to
work,
you
know,
there's
not
a
switch.
That
needs
to
get
flipped
here.
We're
here
so,
but
I
know
that
the
the
purpose
of
the
protest
is
a
is
a
national
conversation
and
I
understand
that,
but
it's
not
like
city's
ready
to
work
can.
N
D
N
A
Well,
I
think
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
if
people
are
saying
the
curfews,
I
think
there
are
different
types
of
complaints.
You
know
some
complaints
are
saying.
Is
this
heavy-handed?
Other
complaints
are
saying
like
this?
Is
you
know
unnecessary
restraint
on
speech
and
I'm,
trying
to
wonder
or
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
if
this
has
been
used
to
say
to
outright
deny
any
any
speech
or
if
it's
being
used
to
regulate
the
time
in
which
speech
can
occur?
Well,.
N
Chris
I
mean
you
I
know
that
council
members
know
that
the
city
really
vigorously
protects
people's
First
Amendment
rights,
and
we
recognize
that
there
are
special
circumstances
in
which
the
time
place
in
the
manner
restrictions
are
appropriate,
and
we
feel
confident
that
in
these
unprecedented
times
and
given
the
destruction
that
was
wrecked
on
our
city
on
Saturday
night,
that
this
is
an
appropriate
time
place
and
manner
on
a
restriction
to
have
in
place.
Okay.
L
I
could
add
to
what
Matt
mayor
Mendenhall
is
saying
and
looking
back
at
the
general
times
when
people
do
want
to
hold
protests.
I
can't
think
of
a
time
in
Salt
Lake
City,
where
someone
has
applied
to
have
a
protest
after
8
p.m.
so
the
the
curfew
as
it
stands
now
accommodates
really
historically.
Looking
back
almost
all
of
the
protests
that
that
people
have
submitted
requests
and
permits
for
okay.
E
I've
got
some
stomach
Thank
You
mayor
for
all
of
that
that
you've
said
before
I'm,
just
gonna
pass
on
some
a
question
from
business
owners.
Saying
hey
these
curfew
kind
of
effects,
my
business,
it
is
necessary
altogether,
and
so
is
there
I
think
I
know
some
of
the
essential
businesses
that
could
be
opening
people
could
patronize
our
restaurants.
Have
you
had
any
other
complaints
or
questions,
or
are
there
any
response
to
this?
N
Would
welcome
that
feedback
and
I
have
not
directly
received
any
it's
difficult
to
know
what
businesses
would
be
impacted
because
people
are
allowed
to
go,
get
food
they're
allowed
to
go
patronize
a
private
business
and
there
are
no
restrictions.
There
are
no
restrictions
on
businesses
or
people
getting
to
businesses
and
I
spoke
with
Dee
Brewer
of
the
downtown
Alliance
this
morning.
Soliciting
feedback
or
criticism
from
businesses.
They've,
of
course
been
engaging
and
haven't
really
had
any.
N
They
had
one
comment
that
they
want:
they
look
a
business
owner
wants
downtown
to
become
lively
again
and,
and
of
course,
we
all
do
and
I
don't
think
that
was
necessarily
about
the
curfew,
although
obviously
things
are
pretty
dampened
right
now
between
kovat
and
this
circumstance.
But
no
we
welcome
that
feedback
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
there's
no
prohibitions
on
people
getting
to
businesses
or
patronizing
them.
N
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
on
the
curfew,
or
this
briefing
is
also
for
budget
amendment
number
six.
A
Well,
they
they're
listed
together
on
earth.
Oh
I,
see
sorry
no
they're,
not
I
was
sorry,
let's
go
ahead
and
go
then
to
budget
amendment
I'm.
Thinking
that
the
things
that
we
discussed
a
lot
of
things
we
discussed
with
chief
Dowell
were
kind
of
tied
in
to
potentially
tied
in
to
budget
amendment
number
six.
But
we
can
now
look
to
budget.
Remember
I'm
into
them.
Amendment
number
six
and
address
that
specifically
durations
and
there.
L
Are
they
are
topics
of
interest
to
the
administration
significantly,
so
the
mayor
may
want
to
chime
in,
but
I'll
quickly
go
over.
There
are
two
items
that
are
pending
from
the
other
night.
One
actually
is
a
new
item,
that's
a
council
added
item,
and
that
is
funding,
and
this
is
in
collaboration
with
the
administration.
L
It
is
wrapping
up
year-end
funding
for
Public
Safety,
including
fire
police
dispatch
and
then
also
public
services.
There
have
been
a
number
of
things
recently
and
even
I
would
say
throughout
the
year
that
have
impacted
the
department's
ability
to
absorb
expenses.
Going
clear
back
to
the
United
Nations
conference.
The
police
department
was
heavily
impacted
by
that
they
received
partial
reimbursement
for
their
overtime,
but
not
complete
reimbursements,
so
that
that
makes
it
more
difficult
on
them
to
absorb
their
overtime.
So
then,
you
have
a
course
Cova
the
earthquake
and
and
the
protest.
L
So
the
administration
has
identified
for
us
that
there
is
a
nine
hundred
and
eighty
eight
thousand
dollars
in
funding
that
they're
projecting
that
through
year
end
and
that
would
address
all
of
those
departments.
Public
Safety
Public
Services
functions
and
it
it
would
allow
those
departments,
then
to
finish
the
budget
you're
in
in
the
black,
because
it's
a
combination
of
expenses
they're.
L
What
we
were
suggesting
is
that
that
go
into
the
non
departmental
account
that
is
managed
by
Finance,
so
that
they
can
work
with
each
department
to
see
what
expenses
are
are
relevant
for
this
purpose
and
which
ones
are
not,
and
so
that's
the
first
part
of
this
this
issue
of
some
additional
funding.
There
are
a
couple
of
other
issues
that
council
members
have
raised
in
this
conversation
and
in
the
past
several
days,
one
of
them
is
the
training
that
you
have
talked
about.
L
The
council
has
previously
provided
a
lot
of
the
training
funding
for
the
four
implicit
bias
for
equitable
policing
and
for
de-escalation
techniques.
Those
there
are
other
trainings
out
there
that
we
could
work
with
the
police
department
and
the
administration
on,
and
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
with
with
a
number
on
number
one.
What
would
it
take
to
get
just
the
training
in
general,
but
then
what
would
it
take
to
make
it
more
effective
and
get
the
whole
police
force
through
that
training
in
a
shorter
time
period?
L
And
so
so
we
can
come
back
to
you
with
that.
That
number,
if
I,
were
to
guess
based
on
the
numbers
that
been
from
our
staff,
has
provided
so
far,
I
think
it's
probably
around
$300,000.
If
you
want
to
provide
some
overtime
expense
to
help
expedite
that
we've
helped
facilitate
training
for
even
as
little
as
$50,000.
So
so
you
don't
have
to
make
any
decisions
on
this
tonight.
It
is
scheduled
as
part
of
budget
amendment
number
six,
which
will
be
voted
on
next
week.
L
What
what
it
is,
they
would
need
and
ask
their
administrative
staff
member
and
just
to
clarify.
Sometimes
people
think
that
that
board
reports
or
their
staff
reports
to
the
police
department
and
actually
they
are
removed
from
the
police
department,
their
staff
person
reports
to
Human
Resources,
so
that
there's
some
distance
between
that
that
staffing
in
that
investigation
and
the
board
staffing
some
distance
from
the
police
department
so
and
I
know,
council
members
have
specific
ideas
about
that.
L
You
took
a
straw
poll
to
say
that
you
wanted
to
use
funding
other
than
the
loan
funding,
and
so
what
what
we
did
is
looked
at.
There
are
five
or
six
different
potential
sources.
Councilmembers
didn't
express
a
preference,
so
what
we
did
is
identified
the
most
flexible
option
when
the
preserves
the
most
most
options
for
you
going
forward
and
that
is
to
use
fund
balance
as
a
bridge.
L
So
this
would
not
be
your
ultimate
source,
but
it
would
be
the
bridge
that
would
allow
the
administration
to
deploy
that
money
right
away
because
they
are
prepared
to
do
this.
So
they
it's
my
understanding
that
they
would
appreciate
it
if
you
felt
comfortable
voting
tonight
on
that,
so
that
they
could
could
get
it
out
as
soon
as
the
mayor's
office,
Attorney's
Office
finance
certifies
that
they
have
the
contracts
in
place
and
and
that
type
of
thing.
L
L
So
once
we
know
more
about
what
you'd
like
to
do,
then
you
can
can
change
up
the
source
in
the
budget
opening
and
then
oh
I
should
say
one
of
the
things
that
you
talked
about
the
other
day
on
the
housing
money
was
that
you
wanted
to
know
about
criteria
and
and
how
the
funds
would
be
managed
by
the
department's
or
by
the
agencies.
The
community
partner
agencies.
L
You
could
even
prove
it
conditionally
tonight
with
criteria
to
be
confirmed
on
on
Thursday
or
something
if,
if
you
wanted
to
spend
more
time
than
you
have
tonight,
so
that
can
be
moved
forward.
Tonight
question
is
just
whether
you
want
to
spend
some
more
time
on
talking
about
the
criteria.
The
administration
is
prepared
to
show
you
a
couple
of
slides
and
share
some
information.
If
you
would
like
to
talk
about
it
further.
A
B
Mayor,
would
you
like
me
to
speak
to
that,
or
do
you
like
to
okay
thanks
mr.
chair
and
I,
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
council
again
for
being
willing
to
travel
down
this
road
with
us?
I
know
that
our
interests
are
aligned
and
that
we
get
money
out
quickly
to
residents
who
need
it,
as
as
we
are
kind
of
a
facing
another
deadline
or
another
kind
of
cliff
and
where
people
are
getting
their
resources.
So
thank
you
for
this.
B
Thanks
for
the
discussion,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that,
first
of
all,
yes,
I,
think
a
straw
poll
would
be
helpful
and
then,
if
you're
willing
and
then
second,
that
there's
there's
still
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
us
to
have
the
conversation
around
the
kinds
of
parameters
that
we're
hoping
to
enter
into
with
our
partners.
Our
community
partners
here,
not
none
of
that
is-
has
been
decided.
B
A
L
A
Council
members,
I'm
I,
wouldn't
James.
Excuse
me:
councilman
Rogers
I'm,
looking
for
a
straw
poll.
J
A
L
D
A
So
it's
the
housing
parts
of
budgeting
room
number,
six.
Okay,
any
other
discussion
to
this.
Okay,
if
you'll
just
indicate
your
support,
I
see,
counsel
Rogers
is
supported.
Councilmember
Dugan,
supportive,
fowler,
Aldo,
Moros
Johnston
mono
are
all
supportive
and
I
am
supportive
as
well.
So
there
it's
a
unanimous
straw
poll
of
support.
Thank.
B
A
Okay,
any
other
items
that
we
need
to
run
through
before
we
go
on
our
break.
D
A
D
A
A
N
Love
to
do
a
little
introduction
of
sorts
that
it's
often
that
we
get
to
put
someone
that
we
know
and
we
trust
and
who
we've
seen
under
pressure
in
the
public
realm
handling
meetings,
making
sure
that
democracy
is
done.
The
way
it's
supposed
to
be
done,
and
we
have
years
of
experience
with
cindy-lou,
first-hand
experience
knowing
how
she
conducts
herself
and
how
how
highly
she
regards
the
public's
work
being
done
in
the
most
transparent
and
accountable
way,
and
that
is
the
job
of
the
city
recorder
to
a
tee.
A
Thank
You
Katie
would
you
like
to
say
anything
as
as
the
city
attorney
works
very
closely
with
the
city
reporter
and
they're
technically
the
part
of
the
same
office?
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
K
Absolutely
we
had
an
impressive
panel
of
applicants
for
this
position
in
Cindy,
Lou
rose
to
the
top
with
her
professionalism
and
her
demeanor
and
her
leadership,
ability,
ability
and
I'd
say
she
is
a
true
public
servant
and
I
am
so
thrilled
to
work
in
collaboration
with
her
to
bring
the
recorders
office
into
the
next
era,
working
in
collaboration
with
the
council
and
the
mayor's
office.
So
I
I
couldn't
be
more
pleased
with
the
mayor's
appointment
today
and
and
I.
Just
can't
wait
to.
A
D
A
Well,
thank
you.
I'll
just
say
that,
and
you
know,
Cindy
Lou
was
one
of
well.
Both
Cindy's
were
the
first
to
council
staff
that
I
interacted
with
when,
after
in
that
period,
when
you
won
the
election,
but
you
haven't
been
sworn
in
yet
and
I
have
always
been
so
impressed
with
with
Cindy
Lou
and
how
accommodating
and
friendly
and
thorough
and
just
hyper
competent
that
you
were
to
to
bring
me
and
other
people
Amy
Fowler,
who
was
like
at
the
same
time
bringing
us
on
board
and
I
have
seen
you
handle
some.
A
You
know
very
difficult
projects
in
the
in
the
council
office
and
was
you
know
really
delighted
when
you
I
heard
that
you
were
interested
in
the
position,
even
though
I'm
it's
will
be
a
huge
loss
to
our
to
the
council
staff
and
but
I
I
have
every
confidence
that
you
will
really
excel
this
job
and,
in
particular,
I'm
excited
about
the
your
and
like
technical
abilities
and
being
able
to
bring
those
to
bear
and
it
helped
advance
our
reporters
office.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
you
have
my
full
support
and
I'm.
A
D
A
D
D
J
C
So
congratulations,
dealer
I'm
very
excited
for
you
as
much
as
I
am
really
going
to
miss
you
and
I.
Just
I
really
want
to
just
give
you
my
sincerest
thanks
for
always
being
there
and
reading
my
mind,
I
mean
what
I
need
before
I
know
that
I
need
it,
and
you
know
made
a
comment
that
you
he
seen.
You'd
handle
very
difficult
projects
and
I
think
who
my
first
thought
was
yet
probably
the
most
difficult
is
handling
me
and
you
do
that
with
a
lot
of
priests
and
I
appreciate
that.
C
But
thank
you
tonight
last
year
was
as
RDA
chairman.
We
we
went
through
quite
a
bit
and
we
saw
we
saw
protests
in
our
council
meetings
and
I
was
in
I.
Remember
this
one
day,
just
being
so
incredibly
stressed
that
I
couldn't
breathe
and
I
watch
back
into
my
a
little
cubicle
and
Cindy
Leo
just
came
back.
She
had
some
Kleenex
for
me
and
a
cup
of
coffee
and
was
just
like
okay,
we're
gonna
breathe.
Now
do
you
like?
Can
I
get
you
anything
else
with
the
most
calm,
demeanor
and
boys.
C
That
I
was
like
okay
I
can
do
this,
we're
gonna
get
through
this
and
I.
Don't
know
that
you
know
how
impactful
it
really
is,
at
least
for
me
and
I
can
guess
for
a
lot
of
other
people
that
get
put
in
some
pretty
stressful
moments
that
you
just
bring
us
down
to
this
more
calm
level,
and
so
thank
you.
I
look
forward
to
watching
you
great
work
with
our
recorders
office
and
probably
continuously
nagged
me
to
sign
the
things
that
you
sent
me
on
emails
cos
I'll
forget
to
do
it.