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A
That
this
is
still
considered
an
open
and
public
meeting
for
the
work
session.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
who
may
be
watching
our
usual
live
video
feeds
on
the
council.
Numbers.
Excuse
me
on
the
council
agenda.
Page
youtube,
slc,
tv
or
facebook
live
today
is
a
work
session
only
and
there
is
no
public
comment
scheduled.
A
A
B
We
will
well
your
preference
we're
prepared
to
give
you
a
couple
higher
level
updates
and
I'm
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions.
So,
whichever
order
you
prefer.
A
Okay,
well,
we
only
have
two
questions
previously
submitted,
which
is
explaining
the
difference
between
orange
and
yellow
risk
levels,
and
then
what
the
city
is
most
concerned
about
in
terms
of
what
events
or
absence
of
restrictions
does
the
administration
see
as
the
most
important
to
come
under
regulation
moving
to
orange
so
I'll?
Let
you
go
ahead
and
speak
to
that.
B
Sure,
thanks
thanks
again,
as
always
for
the
time
on
your
agendas,
to
talk
about
these
things.
As
you
know,
last
tuesday
the
mayor
made
her
formal
request
to
the
county
to
then
take
to
the
state
to
increase
our
restriction
level
to
orange,
based
on
the
three
weeks
of
increasing
case
numbers,
we
had
been
seeing
and
other
troubling
data,
including
icu
utilization
and
other
indicators,
that
you
know,
we've
been
working
with
the
state
on
to
keep
track
of
throughout
this
pandemic.
B
The
biggest
difference
is
really
for
us
and
trying
to
you
know,
dial
in
what
we
were
hoping
to
see
with
a
move
to
orange.
Were
the
social
guidelines
in
the
utah
leads
together
plan?
B
So
that's
you
know,
number
of
people
that
can
gather
socially
would
be
reduced
back
to
20
masks
would
be
required
even
outside
if
you
couldn't
maintain
six
feet
of
social
distance
and
a
couple
of
other
social
guidelines,
but
really
that's
that's
really
based
on
the
data
and
what
we
have
been
hearing
from
the
county
in
the
state
over
the
past
several
weeks.
That
seemed
to
be
the
biggest
issue.
Is
you
know
not
that
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
spread
in
workplaces
or
in
businesses
or
restaurants,
or
anything
like
that?
B
B
You
know
productive
meetings
and
conversations
last
week
with
with
department
of
health
and
others
on
this,
while
the
the
governor
has
did
not
make
a
formal
decision
on
our
request,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
know,
he's
holding
his
press
conference
right
now,
so
I'm
still
trying
to
listen
and
process
what's
happening
at
the
state
level
right
now,
but
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
and
what
I'm
sure
you
all
are
hearing
too
there's
a
total
rework
of
the
color
system
at
this
point,
and
it
now
is
going
to
a
different
system
based
on
transmission
rate
and
data,
and
so
we'll
no
longer,
I
think,
based
on
what
I'm
understanding
operate
in
colors,
but
will
operate
on
positivity
rate,
icu
utilization
and
the
data,
and
so
each
county
it
sounds
like
will
be
placed
into
a
restriction
level.
B
I
think
we
will
be
in
a
moderate
restriction
level
that
I
think
that
remains
to
be
seen,
but
I
think
counties
will
all
be
placed
today
and
then
specific
precautions
will
be
taken
in
each
county,
but
it
sounds
like
a
mask
mandate
will
be
required
in
most
places
in
the
state,
regardless
of
your
restriction
level.
That'll
be
the
recommendation
and
and
potentially
the
mandate
for
most
places
across
the
state
right
now.
B
So
we're
we're
happy
that
the
state
is
taking
some
taking
a
really
hard
look
at
this
and
really
taking
some
some
leadership
here
and
where
we
are
hoping
that
this
will
signal
to
everybody
that
you
know.
This
is
a
we're
not
on
the
right
path
right
now
and
we
need
to
get
back
onto
that
right
path.
A
That's
okay.
I
know
it's
unfolding
right
now,
so
lisa
or
mayor
did
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
add
on
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council
members.
Any
questions
on
this
councilman
romano.
D
Thanks,
I
I've
been
trying
to
listen
as
well,
and
it
sounds
like
we're
in
a
high
transmission
category.
They
just
barely
said
that,
but
anyway,
my
question
actually
has
to
do
with
the
parking
restriction
or
the
moratorium
on
the
parking
enforcement.
D
I
know
that
that
was
one
of
the
early
emergency
declarations
kind
of
stopped
that
and
that
metered
parking
has
resumed.
I
I
and
I
have
a
lot
of
constituents
asking
about
the
48
hour.
E
D
Specifically
and
whether
that
will
be
enforced
or
not,
I'm
just
not
sure
what
to
tell
them.
I
don't
necessarily
feel
like
there
may
be
reasons
why
we
continue
not
to
do
that,
but
I
just
if
there
can
give
me
an
update
as
to
what
I
should
tell
my
residents
that
are
asking
about
that,
whether
we
will
resume
it
soon
or,
if
not.
Why.
B
Yeah-
and
I
I
know
that
this,
the
parking
situation
has
been
confusing
and
as
we
have
you
know,
we,
we
kind
of
implemented
the
parking
restrictions
in
stages,
and
we
rolled
it
back
in
some
stages
too,
and
we're
seeing
different
problems
in
different
neighborhoods.
That
also
wraps
into
the
very
specific
problems
around
and
impacts
from
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness,
who
are
using
their
car
as
a
shelter,
and
that
you
know,
of
course,
create
some
some
special
some
special
needs
and
a
different
approach
there
too.
B
So
the
plan
had
been
to
to
begin
enforcement
again.
I
think
we
probably
need
to
just
pause
and
evaluate
whether
or
not
you
know
based
on
this
new
data
and
new
restrictions,
whether
we
need
to
think
through
that
a
little
bit
more
now
that
people
maybe
will
be
staying
home
and
working
from
home.
C
No,
I
will
not
not
just
yet
but
councilman
romano.
We
hear
that
and
when
we
put
those
we
put
that
in
place,
we
recognized
at
the
time
that
there
were
a
lot
of
situations
where
that
were
caught
up
in
that
sweep
that
maybe
we
wish
we
could
have
kept
some
regulation
on
and
we're
open
to
meeting
with
you
and
talking
with
any
other
council
members
about
what
kind
of
shifts
we
might
want
to
make
as
a
city
and
I'd
be
happy
to
chat
with
you.
F
I
have
a
a
couple
of
updates
on
the
emergency
proclamations
and
how
emergency
proclamation
14
affected
parking
and
how
emergency
proclamation
15
sort
of
led
to
14..
Is
anybody
interested
in
that
because
it
is
kind
of
hard
to
follow,
because
I
don't
know
if
you
noticed
that
was
14
and
15
emergency
proclamations
of
2020.?
F
So
I
did
ask
our
legal
department
to
kind
of
look
at
that
and
analyze.
So
I'm
just
going
to
read
this
because
katie
did
a
really
great
job
of
putting
together
what
proclamation
14
did
and
what
proclamation
15
does
so
I'll
start
with
15,
which
is
establishing
a
local
emergency
for
the
windstorm
right.
F
F
14
actually
did
the
following
it
rescinds
the
mass
gathering
restrictions
defined
as
100
people
or
more
private
and
public
gatherings
will
still
be
required
to
comply
with
the
utah
leads
together
plan
for
yellow
which,
as
we've
just
discussed,
is
now
completely
obsolete.
So
we
will
have
to
revise
that
rescinds
the
restrictions
on
you
use
of
parks
and
open
spaces
in
salt
lake
city
gatherings
and
use
of
parks
and
open
space
will
still
be
subject
to
the
yellow,
again
obsolete.
F
F
Obviously-
and
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
katie,
you
know
putting
together
that
very
succinct
description
of
what
those
proclamations
did
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
that
with
with
you
all,
but
obviously
this
new
information
is
going
to
inform.
You
know
how
we
move
forward.
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
our
next
standing
item,
which
is
updates
on
relieving
the
condition
of
people
experiencing
homelessness.
We
had
some
also
two
questions
under
there.
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
rachel
mayer
and
lisa
to
talk
us
through
these
updates,
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
the
questions
if
needed.
B
G
Hi,
thank
you,
council
for
inviting
me
very
quick
update.
We
had
an
original
goal
of
october
15th
to
remove
debris
from
the
streets
in
preparation
for
winter
and
fall
weather.
We
are
going
to
meet
that
goal,
so
we
will
be
transitioning
our
streets,
crews,
away
from
100
percent
debris,
removal
and
back
into
some
of
their
normal
duties.
They
need
to
shift
quickly
into
winter
operations.
Getting
ready
for
those
utah
national
guard
has
been
released.
G
We
are
going
to
be
transitioning
some
public
messaging
around
the
remaining
stumps
that
are
in
the
right-of-way
and
also
sidewalk
repairs
which
engineering
has
commenced.
We,
so
we
have
submitted
the
information
to
fema
as
you're
all
aware
that
is
now
moving
up
through
the
federal
process.
We
have
not
heard
any
updates
from
that.
G
The
good
news
is
that
we
had
no
significant
injuries
or
accidents
during
this
entire
time
and
that
we
are
ahead
of
schedule
on
our
goal
and
we
have
a
lot
more
work
to
do
still
with
contracts
and
fema
cost,
accounting
and
other
things
to
dial
this
emergency
in,
but
the
first
phase,
the
big
heavy
lift
of
removing
debris
on
the
street
has
been
accomplished.
As
of
the
end
of
today,.
A
G
Yes,
we're
updating.
All
of
that
we
did
a
preliminary
damage
assessment,
sort
of
on
the
fly
and
then
going
back
and
refining
everything,
and
so
we
should
have
some
really
solid
numbers.
When
this
is
all
done,
it
continues
to
kind
of
get
dialed
in
as
we
go.
A
A
Okay,
lisa,
schafer,.
F
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
today
you
will
be
hearing
a
budget
amendment
three
which
includes
some
preliminary
damage
assessment
numbers
totaling,
almost
six
million
dollars
related
to
the
windstorm.
F
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
understood
that
that
definitely
is
not
the
final
tally,
and
these
are
preliminary
numbers
like
lorna
said
that
will
be
coming
in.
Those
are
based
on
contractor
estimates
and
a
lot
of
we
don't
have
invoices
yet
so
you
will
be
seeing
those
numbers
and
they
will
climb.
I
think,
the
last
time
I
updated
you
on
this,
we
were
talking
around
11
million
dollars
in
damages.
F
As
our
initial
assessment,
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
we
hit
that
so
this
six
million
dollar
ask
today
is
like
I
said
it's
an
estimate.
Thank
you,
though,.
A
Okay,
so
now
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
updates
on
relieving
the
condition
of
people
experiencing
homelessness.
B
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
updates.
I
wanted
to
share,
as
we
enter
week,
two
of
phase
two
of
the
community
commitment
program.
B
This
effort,
as
you
know,
is
focused
right
now
on
the
700
south
area
around
the
resource
center.
B
There
there
was
a
little
confusion
last
week
in
the
public
comment
period
about
how
outreach
is
working
there
so
we're
entering
week,
two,
as
I
just
said,
and
there's
three
weeks
of
daily
outreach
efforts
of
persistent
compassion,
as
I
have
called
it
to
myself
and
now
to
you,
where
we,
the
service
providers,
are
there
every
day
right,
interacting
with
people
and
trying
to
determine
what
services
they
would
like,
what
they
need
and
where
to
fit
them
in
with
service
providers.
B
So
the
tally
of
people
who
have
been
mate,
who
who
the
outreach
providers
have
made
contact
with,
is
at
88
right
now.
This
isn't
a
constant
number
of
people
who
are
there
constantly
camping,
but
it
is,
you
know
the
kind
of
the
overall
total
of
people
who
have
kind
of
moved
in
and
out
of
the
area.
B
Some
people
have
moved
out
of
the
area,
as
providers
have
moved
in,
as
is
kind
of
typical
from
what
I
understand,
but
you
know,
there's
there's
migration
in
and
out
so
88
individuals,
so
far
placements
have
kicked
up
a
bit,
so
we
have
total
placements
to
nine
people
into
services.
At
this
point
the
providers
are
looking
for
more
spaces
and
more
options
for
couples.
B
The
st
fence
and
depaul
overflow
facility
is
set
to
open
this
wednesday
night.
So
that
helps
with
some
capacity
issues
and
you'll.
Remember
too,
that
you
supported
the
funding
of
160
000
in
hotel
vouchers,
motel
vouchers,
which
will
be
coming
online
here
soon
now
too.
So
that's
a
big
part
of
the
the
overflow
and
the
winter
and
emergency
shelter
needs
for
people.
People
that
you
are
very
familiar
with,
so
all
of
these
options
coming
together
really
helps
provide
some
capacity
for
people
who
need
it
so
week
two
is
off
to
a
pretty
good
start.
B
We'll
have
this
week
where
you
know
again
we'll
do
daily
contact
and
then
next
week
again
will
be
daily
provider
contact
with
people
and
we're
happy
to
keep
you
posted
as
we
move
further
along
any
specific
questions
here
I
think
I
might
have
addressed
the
space
issue
there
are.
There
are
not
always
been
open
beds
at
shelter
facilities,
they
do
run
at
you
know,
well,
you
know
pretty
close
to
capacity,
but
there
are
other
options,
so
we
have
last.
A
Okay,
great
thank
you.
Questions,
council
members.
A
A
So
the
first
one,
I
think
is:
is
it
still
the
case
that,
on
october
23rd,
the
health
department
will
begin
to
abate
the
encampment
activity
on
seven
south,
and
then
does
the
administration
feel
confident
in
assuring
the
council
that
adequate
notice
is
being
given
to
these
camping
to
these
encampments
in
advance
of
abatement
activities?
B
I
can
try
to
respond
to
that,
mr
chair,
so
thank
you.
The
last
several
weeks
the
health
department
has
really
focused
on
smaller
areas
that
are
not
largely
inhabited
by
people
at
this
point.
For
for
lots
of
reasons,
it's
still
my
understanding
that
the
health
department
will
do
a
bigger
cleaning
in
the
700
south
aries
on
october
23rd
and
that
the
camp
that
area
will
then
be
closed
to
camping.
B
That
is
well
known,
based
on
what
the
what
our
staff
is
telling
us
right
now.
It's
well
known
in
the
area
that
that
area
will
be
closed
on
october
23rd.
That
notice
started
going
out
to
people
in
the
area
last
week,
so
there's
no
no
secret
there.
We
have
been
working
with
the
health
department
to
try
to
stay
on
top
of
what
their
plans
are
for
each
week
as
they
are.
B
You
know,
working
on
cleaning
around
areas
where
people
are
living
so
happy
to
share
that
information
with
the
council
as
I
get
it
and
we're
trying
to
to
be
a
little
bit
to
be
to
get
that
in
a
little
bit
more
in
advance.
So
the
health
department
doesn't
have
a
requirement
to
provide
notice
but
have
been
responsive
to
our
requests
to
be
to
make
that
notice
more
understandable
and
more
clear
and
more.
You
know
a
little
bit
more
in
advance
of
when
those
cleanings
happen,
so
they
do
noticing.
B
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
questions
on
any
of
those
follow-ups.
Council
members.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
We
will
move
on
then
to
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
updates
on
racial
equity
and.
C
H
I
A
We
can
we
can
wait
and
discuss
it
all
at
once,
so
you
don't
have
to
be
on
another
call,
sure,
okay,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
and
loop
that
in
with
for
a
little
bit
further
down.
A
So
that
brings
us
to
agenda
item
number
four,
which
is
police
officer,
body
warrant
cameras
and
with
us.
For
this
we
have
jennifer
bruno
from
the
council
staff,
cindy
gus
jensen
from
council
staff
and
katie
lewis,
city
attorney.
H
J
H
J
Well,
just
the
council
had
had
a
lot
of
feedback
from
constituents,
some
of
which
was
asking
why?
Why
would
you
spend
money
on
video
cameras,
body,
worn
cameras
for
officers,
it's
better
to
use
the
money
for
something
else,
but
then
we
had
other
constituent
feedback.
J
That
said,
it's
essential
that
you
have
a
record
of
this
and
so
really
when,
when
the
council
members
weighed
the
feedback
it
was,
it
was
clear
that
there
was
a
public
interest
in
not
only
maintaining
but
expanding
the
use
of
cameras,
and
so
the
council
did
appropriate
funds
in
the
budget
for
that
and
for
increased
storage
right
now.
J
The
storage
retention
schedule
is
one
year
in
some
of
the
categories,
but
the
statute
of
limitations
is
four
years
and
so
hopefully
that
either
we
could
suggest
that
you
put
the
change
into
the
ordinance
here
or
you
could
just
ask
the
administration
to
update
that
retention
schedule,
but
but
the
council's
action
with
the
budget
enabled
that
additional
record
storage.
J
So
that's
that's
one
piece
of
it
and
then
the
thinking
behind
this
ordinance
is
that
if
there's
such
a
significant
investment
in
in
this,
the
body
cam
technology-
and
it
is
so
important
to
the
community-
and
it
is
used
in
in
court
proceedings
and
disciplinary
proceedings-
and
that
type
of
a
thing-
then
it
should
be
applied-
consistency
consistently
and
applied
in
a
in
a
clear
manner.
J
J
Questions
that
are
sort
of
pending,
suggested
that
we
get
the
administrative
feedback
on
it
because
they
are
they're.
It
is
it's
not
really
purely
a
legislative
thing
at
all,
there's
a
large
legislative
component
to
that
and
I'm
having
trouble
pulling
up
that
list
of
items
that
are
in
the
staff
report.
Jennifer.
Do
you
have
that
right
there?
J
Yes,
can
you
okay,
so
the
the
first
one
is
the
two
day
versus
five
day
in
the
original
draft.
What
council
staff
recommended
was
two
days
that
the
the
police
department
provide
the
footage,
the
raw
footage
to
council
members
within
two
days
of
the
incident
and
the
police
department
and
the
city
administration
suggested,
and
the
city
attorney's
office
suggested
that
perhaps
five
days
would
be
better,
because
that
would
give
the
department
the
time
to
go
through
the
footage
and
provide
context.
J
Part
of
the
oversight
concept
was
that
that
you'd
be
getting
the
footage
very
early
so
that
it
wasn't
in
in
any
sort
of
context
or
framework.
It
was
you
just
having
access
to
it,
and
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
this
would
be
confidential
access
it.
J
The
fact
that
the
council
has
it
from
an
oversight,
point
of
view,
and
the
mayor,
of
course,
has
it
from
an
oversight.
Point
of
view
does
not
mean
that
it's
more
likely
to
be
seen
by
the
public.
It
doesn't
mean
that
it
is
seen
by
the
public,
doesn't
mean
it
come
becomes
public
sooner.
So
if
that
isn't
clear
in
the
ordinance,
we
can
get
the
attorney's
office
to
to
add
that.
J
But
anyway,
I
don't
know
if
the
administration
is
prepared
now
to
address
the
two
day
versus
five
day
and
one
of
the
things
we
suggest
is.
Maybe
we
could
say
two
business
days,
because
it
would,
it
would
be
a
little
much
to
try
to
do
it
over
a
weekend
so
anyway,
maybe
the
administration
could
address
that
or
maybe
they
would
want
to
get
back
to
us
later
about
it.
C
We'd
love
to
get
back
to
you
about
it.
I
don't
I'm
prepared
to,
or
I
see
katie
unmuting,
but
I
don't
think
we're
prepared
to
address
that.
Go
ahead.
K
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
just
was
wondering,
since
this
is
the
council's
first
time,
considering
this
ordinance
if
they
would
like
an
overview
of
what
it
says
and
where
that
two
business
stage
falls
in
to
the
entire
reporting
and
and
making
the
the
body
camera
public
context.
And
then
you
know
there
may
be
a
sort
of
a
list
of
questions
that
end
up
going
back
to
the
administration
for
further
discussion.
K
K
K
K
That
is
also
defined
under
state
law,
but
this
definition
includes
an
injury
which
has
occurred
due
to
a
canine
bite.
The
reason,
of
course,
that
is
important,
is
for
the
the
council
to
have
a
defined
term.
H
I
think
it's
coming
from
cindy,
just
if
you
yeah
there,
you
go.
K
Okay,
sorry,
I
I
just
it's
hard
to
know
whether
you
can
hear
me
so
officer
involved.
Critical
incident
will
include
a
bite
by
a
canine
and
what
the
reason
that's
important
is.
The
ordinance
then
goes
through
a
process
of
when
the
police
department
has
to
provide
notice
of
that
critical
incident
to
the
elected
officials
and
when
that
ordinance
or
excuse
me,
when
the
the
body
camera
footage
should
be
provided,
must
be
provided
to
the
elected
officials.
J
Oh
yes,
cindy
now,
I'm
trying
to
unmute
and
can't
if
we
could
put
a
placeholder
here
and
come
back
to
it.
But
one
of
the
issues
that
was
raised,
I
believe
by
the
police
department,
is
that
by
by
categorizing
the
dog
bites
as
an
officer
involved
critical
incident.
It
triggers
some
state
and
other
action
that
we
may
or
may
not
want
to
trigger.
J
L
Cindy,
I
thank
you
for
putting
a
placeholder
in
that
I
because
I
would
like
to
know
the
pros
and
cons
of
it
triggering
an
oici,
so
it
may
be
for
a
different
discussion.
I
know
that
we
probably
don't
have
the
time
to
get
into
depth.
Nor
necessarily
would
chief
brown
or
administration
or
staff
be
ready
for
that,
but
I'm
interested
in
what
the
cons
are
of
it
triggering
an.
K
K
Great
I
I
know
we've
got
some
thoughts
on
that
and
I'm
sure
the
administration
does
too.
So
in
our
list
of
of
questions,
we
can
certainly
put
that
on
there
so
continuing
down
through
the
what
the
the
draft
ordinance
does.
Is
it
first
of
all
sets
the
standard
that
all
officers
must
wear
a
body-worn
camera
when
on
duty,
you'll
notice
that
the
staff
report
flags
that
there
may
be
some
exceptions
that
the
administration
will
want
to
add
into
that,
for
instance,
officers
that
are
in
administrative
roles
or
other
undercover
or
other
other
opportunities
like
that.
K
So
then,
under
utah
law,
I'd
like
to
direct
the
the
council's
attention
that
there
is
a
utah
law
that
sets
some
standards
for
body-worn
cameras
and
that's
utah
code
77
a
and
in
section
104,
so
77,
7a
104.
K
It
goes
through
times
when
an
officer
must
activate
a
body-worn
camera
and
when
that
body,
worn
camera
may
be
turned
off.
This
ordinance
mirrors
that
and
uses
the
term
law
enforcement
encounter.
So
an
officer
shall
activate
a
body-worn
camera
prior
to
any
law
enforcement.
Encounter
law
enforcement
encounters
are
everything
from
traffic
stops
to
you
know.
K
K
K
But
the
the
law
actually
said
gives
reasons
for
why
an
officer
could
deactivate
and
I'd
be
happy
to
read
that
to
you.
If,
if
that's
helpful
for
your,
you
think
about
it,
okay,
so
the
the
reasons
that
an
officer
can
deactivate
a
body-worn
camera
are
to-
and
this
is
state
law
to
consult
with
a
supervisor
or
another
officer
during
a
significant
period
of
inactivity
during
a
conversation
with
a
sensitive
victim
of
a
crime,
a
witness
of
a
crime
or
an
individual
who
wishes
to
report
or
discuss
criminal
activity.
J
And
katie
this
is
cindy.
I
think
I
want
to
ask
the
council
if
they
want
to
put
an
additional
placeholder
here.
This
comes
from
a
conversation
that
councilmember
fowler
and
I
were
having.
J
J
We
don't
know
what
what
the
consistent
requirement
is
for
closing
out
if
they're
going
to
be
on
the
scene
for
two
hours.
Does
that
mean
they're
there
officially
in
a
law
enforcement
encounter
and
ought
to
have
their
cameras
on
or
does
that
fall
into
another
category?
So
that's
something
I
did
not
have
an
answer
to
and
wonder
if
that
needs
just
further
clarification.
If
it's
of
interest
to
the
council.
L
L
L
One
of
the
ideas
that
cindy
and
I
talked
about
is
that
the
body
cam
should
not
be
deactivated
until
that
person
is
outside
of
the
custody
of
salt
lake
city,
whatever
that
looks
like
of
a
salt
lake
city
officer
and
so
again,
something
to
explore
a
little
bit
in
trying
to
minimize
the
the
lack
of
transparency
in
in
ways
that
we're
not
necessarily
thinking
about.
Of
course,
we
want
it
on
the
scene,
but
a
lot
happens
outside
of
the
scene.
Is
that
cindy
from
our
conversations?
That's
sort
of
what
I
remember.
J
Yeah
yeah
one
big
thing
was
until
the
person
is
taken
to
custody
or
into
somebody's
else's
custody
and
then
which
they
probably
already
do.
But
we
just
don't
know
that
and
then
the
other
was
the
uniformity
of.
What's
the
definition
of
when
the
scene
is
when,
when
it's
over.
K
Great,
so
I
I
think
that
the
one
question
to
ask
the
the
police
department
and
the
administration
is
how
that
deactivation
process
occurs
at
the
end
of
a
law
enforcement
encounter.
I
will
also
direct
you
to
again
that
section
of
utah
code,
777a
104,
section
8,
which
does
say
that
when
a
body-worn
camera
has
been
activated,
the
officer
may
not
deactivate
that
body-worn
camera
until
the
officer's
direct
participation
in
the
law
enforcement
encounter
is
complete.
K
Subject
to
the
exceptions
that
I
just
read
you
about
interviewing
victims,
and
things
like
that.
So
there
is
the
state
law
overlay
of
not
deactivating
until
the
direct
participation
in
the
law
enforcement
encounter
is
complete,
but
perhaps
the
council
and
administration
would
like
to
talk
about
what
that
specifically
needs
and
if
the
ordinance
needs
an
additional
layer.
A
K
So
another
aspect
of
the
activation
and
deactivation
concept
is
whether
it
would
be
possible
to
keep
a
record
of
instances
when
a
body-worn
camera
is
deactivated
and
how
that
record
would
be
audited
or
provided
to
the
elected
officials.
K
I
think
that
the
staff
report
adds
this
also
as
a
policy
question
and
further
conversation
to
have
with
the
administration,
because
I
believe
that
there
are
some
programs
that
the
body-worn
camera
company
axon
provides
that
have
the
auditing
and
record-keeping
capabilities
for
when
body-worn
cameras
are
deactivated
or
muted,
so
that
that
may
be
a
conversation
or
a
you
know
a
question
to
ask
the
administration
and
discuss
from
a
budgetary
perspective
of
whether
it
would
be
worth
it
to
get
that
program,
and
I
will
continue
on
unless
there's
questions
about
that.
K
So
the
ordinance
sets
forth
a
requirement
that,
within
24
hours
after
the
occurrence
of
an
officer-involved
critical
incident,
remember
that
definition
is
under
state
law
and
then
this
ordinance
has
added
and
use
of
a
canine
to
provide
or
to
create
bodily
injury.
So
after
24
hours
of
that
officer-involved
critical
incident,
the
chief
of
police
is
required
to
notify
the
city
attorney.
The
council
chair
the
mayor
and
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff
of
the
facts
of
the
incident.
K
So
within
24
hours
those
people
will
be
alerted
to
the
facts
of
the
incident,
then
within
either
five
or
two
business
days.
This
is
the
question
that
cindy
brought
up
after
that
incident.
The
mayor
city,
council,
members
and
city
attorney
will
be
provided.
Links
through
secure
file,
share
to
all
unedited
bodyboard
cameras,
footage
from
all
the
officers
at
the
incident
and
the
calls
related
to
the
incident.
K
So
there's
that
question
that
was
raised
by
cindy
of
what
is
the
appropriate
time
frame,
and
the
mayor
mentioned
that
that
would
be
a
conversation
for
the
administration
to
circle
back
with
the
council,
whether
two
business
days
or
five
business
days
works
from
an
operational
perspective.
K
The
the
other
two
points
to
think
about
is
that
the
police
department
and
the
city
recorder
will,
for
four
years
after
the
officer
involved,
critical
incident
be
required
to
notify
the
city
attorney
and
mayor's
office
and
counsel
of
a
grandma
request
pertaining
to
that
body-worn
camera
footage
and
also
be
required
to
notify
the
city
council
and
mayor's
office.
The
the
city
attorney
will
of
any
claims
received.
K
Now
you
probably
recall
that
for
officer
involved
critical
incidents,
the
city
has
an
executive
order
that
requires
the
police
department
to
make
public
the
body
worn.
Camrich
camera
recordings
of
officer
involved
critical
incidents.
This
ordinance
now
proposes
to
codify
that
10
business
day
release.
K
So
it's
not
just
an
executive
order,
it
would
be
an
ordinance
and
it
would
be
the
same
process
that
we
do
now
with
officer
of
all
critical
incidents
where
10
business
days
after
the
incident.
Those
recordings
would
be
provided
to
the
public
and
be
classified
as
public.
K
So
it
gives
examples
of
that
images
inside
a
private
residence,
medical
and
mental
health
care
facilities,
intimate
images,
images
of
minors,
images
showing
the
moment
in
individual
deceases
or
the
individual's
body
the
moment
after
deceasing
domestic
violence
and
sexual
assault,
victims
or
witnesses,
and
domestic
violence
or
sexual
assault
facilities
and
shelters.
So
any
recordings
that
depict
those
images
that
that
portion
of
the
image
showing
those
would
be
redacted.
K
Are
there
any
any
questions
on
that
before?
I
continue
on?
Okay,
the
the
next
section
of
the
ordinance
talks
about
what
should
happen
prior
to
releasing
these
images
to
the
public,
and
this
actually
codifies
the
practice
that
our
police
chief
currently
engages
in
prior
to
the
the
images
being
made
public
right
now,
chief
brown
meets
with
the
family
of
the
individual,
who
is
involved
in
the
officer
involved
critical
incident
and
shows
the
video
to
them
prior
to
it
be
made
public.
K
This
also
requires
the
chief
to
consult
with
an
organization
with
expertise
and
trauma
and
grief
on
the
best
practices
for
creating
an
opportunity
for
those
families
to
view
the
images.
The
concept
there,
of
course,
is
extreme
sensitivity
to
individuals
seeing
their
loved
ones.
In
often,
you
know
very
disturbing
situations
that
consultation
with
the
trauma
and
grief
organization
would
not
need
to
happen
prior
to
every
officer-involved
critical
incident
viewing,
but
it
could
be
on
an
annual
basis,
or
you
know,
whatever
time
frame,
the
council
felt
was
appropriate.
K
The
the
other
section
having
to
do
with
releasing
the
body-worn
camera
footage
is
that
it
specific
the
ordinance
specifically
says
that
the
footage
will
not
be
released
to
the
public
for
any
other
purpose
other
than
to
comply
with
this
ordinance
unless
pursuant
to
a
valid
grandma
request
or
for
valid
law
enforcement
purposes.
K
J
Katie,
if
I
could
just
clarify
for
the
council
that
that
is
also
a
direct
council
request
and
it's
based
on
some
complaints
that
were
received
by
council
members
about
the
release
of
some
footage
about
a
particular
incident
that
was
tragic
to
the
family.
The
police
department
and
fire
department
were
using
it
to
illustrate
a
point
or,
to
you
know,
re
sort
of
recognize
that
the
great
work
of
their
staff.
J
But
some
people
felt
like
it,
was
not
the
right
use
of
body
cam
footage
and
we
don't
know
how
you'd
articulate
that
or
whether
it
would
fall
under
a
law
enforcement
purpose
or
not.
So,
we've
left
that
there
again,
that
would
be
a
placeholder
with
the
administration.
K
The
next
section
of
the
draft
ordinance
talks
about
audits,
so
to
ensure
that
officers
in
the
pd
are
complying
with
state
law,
city
code
and
police
department
policy.
The
ordinance
requires
the
administrator
of
the
civilian
review
board
to
randomly
review
at
least
five
body-worn
camera
recordings
at
least
once
a
month,
and
to
provide
a
report
of
any
findings
of
material
non-compliance
with
state
law,
city
code
or
police
department
policy
to
be
referred
to
the
police
chief
city
attorney,
the
council,
chair
the
mayor
and
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff.
K
The
staff
report
did
have
a
question
of
whether
the
civilian
review
board
administrator
with
his
current
workload
is
the
appropriate
person
to
be
doing
those
audits
and,
I
think,
that's
a
question
that
could
be
discussed
with
the
administration
on
where
that
audit
function
lies.
But
the
concept
is
monthly,
random
audits
by
somebody
outside
of
the
police
department.
L
My
it's
not
a
question
so
much
as
a
comment,
but
I
have
had
a
really
great
meeting
with
some
members
of
the
civilian
review
board.
I
don't
know
sometime
prior
to
today
and
one
of
to
that
point,
katie
of
whether
or
not
that
is
the
correct
space
for
a
monthly
audit.
L
L
That,
I
think,
is
an
important
lift,
but
certainly
would
take
up
time
whether
or
not
we
need
to
hire
a
new
person
or
look
at
an
outside
agency
for
that
audit,
which
recognizably
comes
with
of
an
amount
of
money,
but
that
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
well,
because
I
do
think
it
is
an
important
part
of
the
ordinance
but
that
right
now,
the
civilian
civilian
review
board
with
executive
director-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
his
title,
but
we
all
know
who
I'm
talking
about.
It's
really
working
hard
and
diligently.
L
K
And
council
member
fowler,
I
would
add
to
that
that
this
may
be
a
question
also
to
ask
the
administration
about
the
pricing
of
the
auditing
functions
that
axon
itself
has
and
that
that
may
or
may
not
be
a
way
to
have.
The
audits
occur
now,
who
reviews
those
and
how
they
are
provided
to
the
elected
officials
or
others.
Maybe
another
question,
but
certainly
one
that
the
administration
could.
D
K
Councilmember
dugan
the
ordinance
currently
contemplates
a
review
of
at
least
five
random
body-worn
camera
recordings
per
month,
so
that
could
that
could
change
or
if
that
didn't
seem
sufficient
or
if
it
seemed
too
onerous.
That
could
be
also
a
discussion
and
a
question
to
ask
of
the
administration
to
think
about
amongst
yourselves.
A
Katie,
oh
sorry,
did
any
other
council
members
have
questions
before
I
asked
okay
katie.
I
know
you
spoke
about
retention
earlier
and
I
know
that,
like
data
storage
can
also
be
a
big
issue
and
and
can
be
very
costly,
is
there
any
idea
of
how
much
that's
going
to
add,
or
is
it
few
enough
of
these
videos
that
our
officer
involved
that
it's
not
going
to
be
a
significant
budget
change
and
to
manage
the
data
storage?
For
that.
K
N
Ultimately,
the
1.2
million
dollars
the
council
approved
that's
1.2
million
annually
ongoing
ensures
that
every
officer
has
a
body
camera.
Every
officer
has
a
taser
and
there's
unlimited
data
storage
for
the
body
camera
footage
the
department
might
have
other
footage.
Storage
needs,
such
as
interviews,
but
for
the
body
camera
footage.
Unlimited
data
storage
was
included
in
the
package
that
the
council
funded.
J
And
and
that
doesn't
address
the
policy
of
retention
that
just
addresses
the
capacity
of
retention,
so
so
someone
needs
to
actively
say
that
the
policy
needs
to
be
changed
either
either
administratively
or
legislatively.
J
K
K
So
first
of
all,
officers
may
not
use
personal
recording
cameras
at
any
time,
while
on
duty
they
may
not
use
recordings
from
body-worn
cameras
for
personal
use
or
upload
them
to
public
or
social
media
websites,
and
they
may
not
alter
or
edit
any
body-worn
camera
footage
without
express
permission
from
either
the
chief
of
police
or
the
city
attorney.
So
those
are
just
final
fail,
safes
and
sort
of
the
rules
of
the
road
of
what
happens
with
those
recordings
once
they
occur
and
what
the
official
recording
devices
are,
and
that
is
the
ordinance
as
it's
drafted.
A
Anybody
have
any
immediate
katie.
Can
you
go
over
the
two-day
five-day
issue
again
because
I
know
that
that
was
something
that
some
media
had
questions
about
and
can
you
can
you
go
over
that
one
more
time
sorry.
K
Certainly
so
this
is
in
the
context
of
an
officer
involved,
critical
incident.
So
when
one
of
those
incidents
occurs,
the
ordinance
says
that
certain
members
of
the
city,
administration
and
elected
officials
will
be
notified
verbally
by
the
chief
of
police
within
24
hours
of
the
incident.
And
then
the
question
is:
when
do
the
all
of
the
recordings
and
the
911
recordings?
K
When
are
those
share
files
secure
share
files
provided
to
the
elected
officials
and
the
city
attorney?
And
the
question
is
two
business
days
after
the
officer
involved,
critical
incident
or
five
business
days.
Remember
that
you're
in
a
10
business
day
window,
because
at
the
10th
business
day
that's
when
the
recordings
are
provided
to
the
public.
K
So
it's
a
question
of
on
day
2
business
day
did
the
elected
officials
and
the
city
attorney
received
the
unedited
body-worn
camera
recordings
and
9-1-1
tapes
and
there
they
could
be
hours
of
tapes.
So
it's
you
know
it's.
It's
not
necessarily
a
10-minute
share
file
that
you'll
be
getting,
or
is
it
five
business
days
after
the
officer
involved
critical
incident
so
that
that's
the
policy
question.
C
A
Well,
so
just
to
well
I'll
open
it
up
for
council
members
to
now
is
your
opportunity
to
give
your
input
on
on
that
question,
which,
to
me,
is
kind
of
this.
The
big
question
for
this
ordinance.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
from
my
colleagues
how
you
feel
about
two
day,
two
business
days
versus
10.
L
So
I
mean
I,
if
I
may,
I
think
we
could
sort
of
split
the
baby
in
some
ways
and
say
not
less
than
two
and
not
more
than
five,
because
recognizing
what
katie
just
said
there
could
be
hours
of
video
in
one
way
or
another.
From
I
mean,
if
you
think,
of
the
amount
of
police
officers
that
may
be
involved
and
getting
the
video
and
making
sure
again,
I
I
this
is
an
important
ordinance
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
hard
work.
L
L
L
Where,
then,
we're
back
here
next
year,
fighting
about
the
fact
that
we
didn't
get
body
cam
video,
because
we
didn't
have
the
resources
to
get
the
body?
That's
not
the
intent
here.
It
is
to
be
a
more
transparent
and
communicative
and
collaborative
relationship
between
the
police
department,
the
administration
and
the
council.
At
least
that
is
my
idea.
A
K
Council,
chair
warden,
all
ordinances
have
the
force
of
law,
so
violation
of
most
city
ordinances
are
misdemeanors,
whether
or
not
if
the
chief
of
police
doesn't
provide
the
body.
Camera
footage
within
five
business
days
would
rise
to
the
level
of
charging
a
misdemeanor.
I
I'm
not
gonna
speculate,
but
the
ordinances
certainly
have
more
teeth
and
have
the
force
of
law
in
a
way
that
a
policy
does
not.
A
M
Yeah
mr
chair,
I'm
here
and
thank
you,
council,
that's
a
good
question.
That's
a
good
question
and
and
and
council
member
fowler.
I
like
your
suggestion.
M
Some
some
incidents
may
only
have
one
or
two
officers
and
it
within
two
business
days
that
that
footage
can
be
collected
and
put
together
with
the
911
and
context
could
be
given
some
I
mean
just
if
you
look
back
and
think
about
the
state
street
shooting
that
we
had
that
went
all
the
way
down.
State
street
had
probably
30
40
50
officers
involved
and
that's
that's
a
lot
of
video
to
go
through
in
five
days.
So
we
would
do
our
best
to
get
everything
to
you
within
that
window
of
two
to
five.
M
I
I
don't
want
to
go
to
jail,
so
I'm
going
to
get
a
tm5.
I
can
promise
you
that.
A
So
if
we're
gonna
give
the
officers
five
days,
if
we're
gonna
get
the
department,
and
and
this
isn't
just
for
pd-
it's
the
I
mean
this
is
for
anything.
A
I
personally
think
that
I
would
rather,
if
we're
gonna,
try
to
do
like
a
window
or
something
like
that.
I
would
rather
see
it
be
two
business
days
unless
there's
like
some,
I
don't
know
how
you
would
word
this
katie
but
like
unless
the
like
volume
of
footage
is
like
so
like
it's
not
practical
to
to
have
to
be
provided
within
amount
of
time,
but
I
just
I
still
don't.
A
J
J
For
these
officers
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
two
day
process
or
a
30
minute
process,
but
that
might
be
what
some
council
members
are
thinking
of
when
they
say
two
business
days,
just
the
technology
of
it,
whereas
the
police
department
in
thinking
five
days
is,
is
talking
about
putting
the
context
to
it
as
well,
and
the
question
that
I
think
would
be
good
for
the
council
to,
let
them
know
is:
do
you
want
to
have
that
context,
or
are
you
looking
for
raw.
J
A
I
know
for
me
personally,
I'm
just
talking
about
the
footage
but
I'll.
Let
other
council
members
speak
to
that
councilmember
rogers.
D
D
And
then,
if
I
get
in
two
days,
is
the
expectation
that
I'm
gonna
we're
gonna,
have
a
discussion
on
day
three
or
do
I
have
like
five
days
to
to
for
us
to
have
a
discussion,
because
we
could
be
putting
a
big
burden
on
the
police
department
to
get
us
in
two
days
and
we
don't
do
anything
with
it
for
another
seven
days.
So
why
did
we
tell
them
to
give
us
a
sit
in
two?
D
So
if
I,
if
we
give
them
time
to
do
it,
give
us
a
little
context
and
I
get
it
in
four
business
days
and
now
I
only
have
to
read
or
look
at
four
hours
or
something
it's
much
more
manageable.
For
my
end
and
I'm
not
putting
too
much
burden
on
the
police
department
and
I'm
gonna,
then
I
can
look
at
it
quickly
and
because
I
know
I
have
a
deadline
to
be
able
to
look
at
it
and
and
discuss
it.
The
next
day
or
two
days.
D
So
that's
my
concern
of
having
this
still
tight
of
a
bandwidth
that
we're
gonna
really
overburden
the
police
department.
Then
they're
gonna
fail
on
it.
Then
we're
going
to
be
mad
that
they
they
can't
produce
it
in
two
days
or
they're,
going
to
give
us
a
unprofessional
package
that
really
takes
us
forever
to
disseminate
and
digest.
D
I
guess
in
the
really
sort
of
egregious
situation
where
we
need
to
schedule
a
closed
session
to
discuss
something,
and
that
means
that
and
there's
some
reason,
some
strategy
or
some
reason
why
we
want
to
do
that
before
the
footage
is
released
to
the
public.
It
seems
like
the
five
days
potentially.
Could
I
mean
even
with
two
days
we
might
not.
D
We
might
be
on
an
off
weekend,
so
we
might
not
have
a
scheduled
meeting,
but
it
seems
like
it
would
give
us
a
little
bit
more
time
to
schedule
a
meeting
and
get
a
get
a
discussion
where
we
can
have
that
with
the
legal
noticing
requirement.
So
I
guess,
if
it's
just
raw
footage
and
it
the
technology
seems
easy
enough,
then
the
two
days
it
seems
I
mean,
if
that's
reasonable
with
technology,
then
I
say
we
go
with
that.
D
Just
to
give
us
that
extra
few
days
in
that
situation
that
we
hope
never
happens,
we
hope
we
never
have
to
do.
D
A
Katie,
if
we,
if
they're
off,
if
the
department
is
required
to
provide
just
the
raw
footage
in
two
days,
would
that
in
any
way
limit
council
members
ability
to
if
they
wanted
to
wait
and
view
it
with
a
police
officer
with
context
in
five
or
six
days
or
whenever
between
the
two
days
and
the
10
days,
that
it
goes
public.
Couldn't
they
have
that
option.
K
Council,
chair
wharton,
certainly
would
have
that
option,
provided
that
you
know
they
they
wanted
to
meet
with
the
chief
and
the
chief
was
available,
which
I'm
sure
he
would
be.
I
think
the
the
question
is
where
exactly
what
cindy
said,
what
is
the
value
of
the
footage
in
two
days,
if
it,
if
really
what
a
council
member
wants,
is
on
day
seven
to
meet
with
the
chief
and
watch
the
or
have
context
provided?
L
Can
I
ask
just
a
real
practical
matter?
Can
you
walk
us
through
the
process
of
I
mean
and
take
this
with
a
green
assault,
because
I
don't
do
technology,
I
don't
at
all
like.
I
can't
even
figure
out
my.
L
Mostly,
but
it's
I
imagine,
a
police
officer
is
involved
in
an
incident.
He
comes
back
to
the
station.
He
or
she
downloads
their
camera
footage
it's
somewhere
and
that's
put
into
a
file.
I
mean.
Is
it
that
quick
of
a
thing
or
is
there
more
of
a
process
that
I'm
missing
here?
Maybe
that
would
help
in
understanding
the
the
two
versus
five
days?
Simply
I
mean
it's
one
thing
to
go
through
it
all.
It's
and
the
idea
of
the
raw
footage.
M
M
Those
agencies
will
go
to
the
scene,
conduct
some
investigations
there
and
then
they'll
meet
us
back
up
here
and
then
they'll
they'll
go
through
and
they
call
it
processing,
but
they
go
through
and
process
all
the
witness
officers
and
they
go
through
and
process
the
involved
officers
and
then,
at
the
end
they
take
the
camera
and
we
download
that
sometimes
it
can
take
anywhere
from
taking
anywhere
from
four
to
six
hours
to
go
through
that
process
and
to
get
that
that
camera
downloaded.
M
So
once
we
get
everything
downloaded
from
the
involved
officers
and
the
witness
officers,
I'd
say
it's
probably
around
eight
hours,
maybe-
and
it's
within
that
24
hours.
I
think
by
this
statute
or
this
ordinance
that
we
would.
We
would
make
notification
notification
to
the
council
and
to
the
mayor
and
to
the
chief
of
staff
of
these
incidents
or
the
council
chair,
I'm
sorry
and
the
city
attorney.
So
it
takes
a
huge
time.
It's
not
as
easy
as
just
flipping
a
switch.
M
It
does
take
a
little
bit
of
time,
so
it
might
be
four
to
six
eight
hours
on
big
ones
to
get
all
that
that
video
amassed
and
put
together
and
then
to
go
through
and
pick
it
out
and
then
put
it
into
a
file
share
that
we
can
share
with.
You
might
take
another
four
or
five
hours
by
the
staff
to
do
that,
depending
on
how
many
officers
are
involved.
M
A
So
katie,
can
I
ask
another
follow-up
question.
So
if
we're
saying
that
it's
our,
if
the
council
chooses
five
days
instead
of
two,
because
we
want
to
have
contacts,
do
we
have
to
put
into
the
ordinance
that
we're
choosing
to
have
five
days?
Because
we
want
context
or
what?
If
we
just?
What?
If
we
set
it
at
five
and
then
we
get
it
without
context,
which
is
the
whole
reason.
K
Council
chairwork,
I
don't
know
if
this
fully
addresses
your
question,
but
the
ordinance
now
says
that,
after
receiving
the
footage,
the
council
chair
excuse
me
that
the
council
can
schedule
a
closed
meeting
to
be
briefed
on
the
officer
involved
critical
incident,
which
of
course,
is
that
opportunity
for
context
and
for
the
the
the
discussion
and
review
in
a
group
setting.
We
could
strengthen
that
language
and
say
that
the
reason
for
the
five
business
days
is
to
receive
contacts,
then
for
the
council
members
to
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
the
chief.
K
A
Okay,
so
with
that
information,
I
would
say
that
for
me
it
it
makes
more
sense
to
have
the
two-day
requirement,
because
then
it
gives
time
between
more
time
between
that
two
days
and
the
10
days,
that
it
has
to
be
released
for
us
to
call
and
schedule
a
meeting,
and
it
gives
the
option
for
people
if
they
would
rather
not
view
it
within
two
business
days
to
have
more
time
to
view
it
with
an
officer.
A
So,
but
if,
if
there's
any
more
other
any
other
discussion
item
to
this,
then
I
mean
we
need
to
give.
We
need
to
give
direction
to
which
what
number
we
want
to
go
with
so
councilman
rogers.
Mr.
A
A
Okay-
oh
sorry,
I
was
waiting
for
a
second
and
then
I
remembered
we
were
just
doing
a
straw
poll
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
for
a
straw
poll.
Sorry
about
that
everybody
that
is
in
favor
of
do
it
of
having
it
be
five
business
days
is:
did
you
mean
business
days,
councilman,
rogers
or
five
calendar
days?
A
Okay,
council,
remember:
rogers
is
suggesting
five
business
days
all
in
favor
go
ahead
and
give
your
thumbs
up.
We
discuss
real.
D
Quick,
though
sorry
and
I
know
we've
been
discussing
it,
yeah
go
ahead.
I
just
haven't
heard
a
reason.
Why
not?
Why
two
days
is
onerous,
because
I
think
what
chief
said
in
response
to
councilmember
fowler's
question.
It
seemed
like
that
all
happens
reasonably
within
two
days,
so
I
can't
figure
out
why
why
the
extra
three
days
is
helpful.
M
I
for
me
personally,
I
kind
of
heard
what
our
city
attorney
said,
and
then
I
heard
what
council
member
dugan
said.
I
feel,
like
the
chief
has
said
the
same
thing.
I
just
think
that,
in
order
for
us
to
understand
the
entire
aspect
of
what's
transpiring,
we've
got
to
have
context
and
that
context
is
going
to
be
given
in
a
greater
period
of
time
than
two
days.
M
There's
no
way
if
you're,
looking
at
in
my
opinion,
that
we
can
get
the
context
behind
something,
let's
say
a
dog
bite
or
a
shooting
within
two
days
to
have
that
the
attorney's
legal
jargon,
along
with
that,
along
with
everything
else
that
might
be
entitled
with
that
context.
So
for
me,
that's
why
five
days
if
they
think
that
they
can
get
it
done
in
five
days,
it'll
be
hard
to
plan.
It's
not.
We
won't
be
going
after
our
own
city
over
misdemeanors,
because
they're
not
getting
it
done
in
two
days.
So
I'm
all
for
five.
C
Thanks
mr
chart,
I
also
want
to
reiterate
what
chief
brought
up
that
you
know.
There
are
endless
scenarios
of
critical
incidents
that
involve,
hopefully
never
one
officer,
but
at
least
two
up
to
dozens
and
dozens
of
officers.
There
can
be-
and
there
has
been
times
when
there
are.
There
is
an
incredible
amount
of
footage,
and
I
think
I
mean
there's.
C
No
one
is
going
to
be
dragging
their
feet
to
get
this
to
you
in
five
days,
but
I
just
I
think
that
a
two-day
window
is
doesn't
recognize
that
sometimes,
unfortunately,
there
are
massive
critical
incidents
in
the
city
and
we
we
may
not
be
able
to
fulfill
on
certain
circumstances
in
a
two-day
window.
What
we
could
in
five
days
and
just
to
the
point
about
context
like
we.
We
know
this
from
incidents
this
year
that
even
up
until
the
district
attorney
completes
an
investigation.
C
L
Excuse
me
again,
this
is
in
one
way
I
proposed
a
window.
I
recognized
that
if
most
people
are
procrastinators
like
me,
it
probably
is
like
the
fourth
day
and
59th
minute
and
the
second
right
before
I
get
something
done.
But
I
look
at
this
also
from
a
budgetary
concern.
L
We
are
doing
an
audit
on
the
police
department,
we're
doing
a
zero-based
budget
practice
and
exercise
on
it,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
is
going
to
look
like
in
the
future.
But
we
do
know
that
there
are
several
of
us
and
that
have
a
priority
of
looking
at
where
we're
putting
our
money
and
and
again,
this
is
no
offense
to
anyone
in
the
room,
but
we
are
looking
at
what
our
priorities
are
as
we're
continuing
to
look
at
community-based
policing
and
how
what
I've
heard
from
police
officers.
L
What
I've
heard
from
the
community
is
that
we
continue
to
put
more
and
more
and
more
responsibilities
on
our
police
officers
and
then
that
takes
away
from
the
other
things
that
we
also
want
them
to
do
it
like
to
pick
up
basketball
games
right
and
it's
sort
of
the
analogy
that's
been
thrown
around
throughout
all
of
these
discussions
with
our
our
audit
with
the
police
department
and
what
we're
doing
so
for
me
as
a
budgetary
concern.
L
What
happens
if
we
put
this
two-day
requirement
on?
We
change
the
budget
for
the
police
department.
They
don't
have
this
staff
now
it
falls
on
police
officers
in
one
way
or
another
to
get
it
to
us
and
we're
not
seeing
the
community
policing
that
we're
that
we're
hoping
for
and
having
a
police
audit.
And
then
we
are
now
wondering
if
this
two
days
even
has
any
teeth
to
it.
Because
are
we
going
to
be
pressing
and
having
misdemeanor
charges
against
our
police
department,
yeah
and,
and
so
like?
L
I
know
this
feels
like
I'm
going
a
180
from
what
people
normally
hear
from
me
when
we're
talking
about
police,
but
all
of
this
I
agree
with,
but
there
is
the
reality
of
the
money
behind
it
and
the
resources
to
do
it,
and
so
for
me,
we're
putting
on
an
audit
with
the
civilian
review
board
we're
putting
on
this
other
requirement
of
a
quick
turnaround,
which
I
I
want
the
quick
turnaround
as
quick
as
possible.
L
How
does
that
constrain
our
budget,
then?
The
other
logical
outcome
is
then
we
get
a
budget
amendment
request
and
in
a
political
sense,
then
we
look
like
we're
giving
the
police
more
money,
and
it's
like
wait.
That's
that
that
was
not
the
way
that
this
was
intended
or
intended
to
get
the
information
so
that
we
have
the
information
in
a
quick
and
timely
manner,
also,
while
being
able
to
re-imagine
what
our
police
force
looks
like
while
we're
looking
at
a
budget.
L
So
all
of
those
things
are
sort
of
plain
in
in
my
mind,
I
I
don't
know
that
I
would
necessarily
be
ready
to
say
today
if,
if
two
days
or
five
days
is
the
right
answer,
because
of
all
of
those
other
questions
that
I
have
regarding
the
budget
and
regarding
any
sort
of
what
kind
of
staff
time
this
takes,
how
wha
what
what
those
kind
of
maybe
not
considered
consequences
are
right
now
that
I'm
that
are
popping
up
in
my
head.
A
L
Can
I
make
a
friendly
amendment
to
the
shrapnel
sure?
Could
we
say
something
in
the
ordinance
that
and
council
cherry
I
realize
you
don't
necessarily
agree
with
the
window,
but
if
we
say
something
that
is
as
soon
as
practicable,
but
not
to
exceed
five
days.
A
It
looks
like
that's
favorable
from
the
person
who
asked
for
the
original
straw
poll,
so
yes
I'll.
Consider
that
a
friendly
amendment
does
anyone
want
to
speak
to
the
friendly
amendment.
A
Okay,
then
I
does
everyone
understand
what
the
what
it
is
now
that
we're
asking
the
city
attorney
to
have
the
ordinance
say.
Well,
I
guess
we
should
ask
katie.
Is
there,
do
you
have
any
legal
concerns
with
that?
Putting
that
in
katie.
A
Yes,
sorry
not
more
than
five
days.
Okay,
all
in
favor
go
ahead
and
show
your
support.
A
K
A
Draw
polls
on
those
items
or
do
we
want
to
get
more
time.
J
Mr
chair,
yes,
I
think
that
their
there
basic
enough
items
that
it
really
would
just
help
to
have
the
administration's
feedback
on
them,
and
and
if
we
could
do
that,
and
then
it
may
be
that
there's
a
simple
suggestion
that
they
have
that
could
be
put
into
draft
language
for
you.
I
think
that
all
of
this
can
be
done
fairly
quickly.
J
I
don't
think
that
we're
talking
about
a
delay
of
months
or
anything
like
that,
we
it
just
is
a
matter
of
us
coordinating
with
the
administration,
giving
them
time
to
evaluate
the
various
options
that
they
would
come
up
with,
and
then
we
would
get
back
to
probably
with
another
briefing
just
on
those
items
unless
they're
so
simple
that
it's
something
we
can
put
in
a
memo
to
you.
J
C
J
The
administration
feels
like
I've
oversimplified
that
that's
my
thought.
A
Okay
and
looks
like
we
just
now
have
council
member
voldemort
joining
us
and
council
member
voldemort.
We
just
are
concluding
the
discussion
about
the
officer,
ward
body,
camera
footage,
we've
already
taken
a
straw
poll,
but
do
you
want
to
give
any
input
on
this
important?
Sorry,
okay,
thank
you.
O
I
encourage
you,
my
computer
just
died,
so
I'm
good.
Thank
you.
A
Okay:
okay!
Well,
then,
thank
you
very
much
mayor
and
city.
Excuse
me,
city
attorney,
katie
lewis,
and
thank
you
chief.
If
you're
still
here
for
giving
us
that
information,
we
will
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
five,
which
is
the
budget
amendment
number
three
for
for
fiscal
year,
2020
to
2021.
A
And
for
with
us
for
that,
we've
got
ben
ludke
from
the
council
office,
mary
beth
thompson,
chief
financial
officer
and
ron
bike
city
budget
director.
N
N
N
N
H
Good
afternoon
council,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
projected
the
deficit
for
revenues.
Most
of
this
pertains
to
parking
justice
courts,
parking
collections
at
the
meters,
special
events,
all
of
it's
related
to
covid.
This
is
projected
out
through
the
end
of
the
year.
A
Council
members,
any
questions
on
the
deficits
from
parking.
I
don't
see
any
questions.
Oh
councilmember,
rogers.
M
H
O
H
I
you
know
things
were
changing
so
fast
when
we
presented
the
budget
to
the
council
and
the
council
adopted
the
budget.
I
don't
know
it's
something
that
we
expected,
because
we
just
didn't
know
right.
I
I
couldn't
expect
that
we
were
going
to
not
do
citations
through
september
22nd
right.
I
couldn't
expect
that
we
were
not
going
to
do
parking
meters
through
you
know
september,
it's
so
it's
so
fast
and
moving
that
it's
hard
for
us
to
predict.
I
always
tell
people
they're
like
so
what
about
this.
H
I'm
like,
if
I
had
a
crystal
ball
I'd,
be
making
a
lot
of
money
because-
and
it's
hard
right-
it's
hard
to
know
this,
but
this
these
are
good
projections.
I
wish
I
didn't
have
to
come
back
with
a
2.5
million
dollar
deficit,
because
it
is
doesn't
make
me
happy,
but
it's
the
reality
of
where
we
live
right
now,
right.
O
And
you
know,
early
early
in
march
we
had
a
the
super
avid
or
whatever
you
call
it
in
english,
so
we
have
a
deficit,
the
opposite.
We
had
an
in
excess.
I
remember
about
13
million
dollars.
Have
we
used
all
of
that.
H
In
fund
balance,
so
we'll
talk,
fund,
balance
next
and
and
talk
through
that,
and
we
are
getting
yes
yeah,
it
doesn't
look.
Nice
is
what
I
would
say
it
doesn't
look
pretty
and
does
anybody
else
have
any
questions
on
the
revenue
side.
D
So,
thank
you
is
this
forecast.
Is
this
based
on
revenue
all
the
way
through
september.
H
I
would
say
it's
it's
middle,
I
wouldn't
say
it's
optimistic
and
I
wouldn't
say
it's
extremely
pessim
pessimistic.
I
would
say
it's
middle.
You
know
we.
As
of
september
22nd,
we
have
started
doing
collections
again,
start
issuing
citations
again,
but
things
are
going
to
be
slow
and
we've
done
some
projections
on.
H
You
know
the
issuing
of
citations
and
it
being
slow,
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
downtown
traffic
right
now
right,
so
people
aren't
going
to
be
paying
at
the
meters
as
much
they're
not
going
to
be
receiving
citations
as
much
so
I
would
say
it's
middle
is
what.
D
H
I
don't
have
those
here.
I
can
find
those
for
you.
What
I
will
tell
you
is
that
you'll,
you
can
see
actuals
for
the
majority
of
the
license
permits
the
intergovernmental
the
interest,
fines
and
forfeitures
parking
meters,
charges
and
services,
property
tax
sales,
tax,
franchise
tax.
We
accrue
both
august
july
and
august
back
to
last
fiscal
year,
so
you
won't
see
anything
except
for
september
in
property,
tax
sales,
tax
and
franchise
tax,
because
those
are
back
to
last
fiscal
year.
D
Okay,
so
the
stuff
below
the
total
taxes
is,
you
have
a
pretty
good
actuals
through
the
current
fiscal
year,
from
the
licensing
down
to
reimbursement
and
transfers,
and
do
our
actuals
meet
what
our
forecast
was.
D
D
I
just
had
a
question
on
the
tax
revenue
s,
fine
items,
those
look
to
be
exactly
what
the
they
don't
seem
to
be
changed
at
all.
Do
we
have
any
additional
data
about
those,
particularly
the
sales
and
use
taxes?
Are
they
really
coming
in
as
as
projected
or.
H
Whatever
sales
and
use
tax
we
just
received
the
september
so,
like
I
said
before
july
and
august
to
crew
back
to
last
year,
so
those
don't
count
in
fiscal
year,
2021
those
count
in
fiscal
year
20.
we
received
the
sales
tax
for
september,
which
is
actually
for
july,
so
we
received
it
in
september,
it's
four
july,
and
actually
it
was
above.
H
It
was
above
budget
great
for
that
one
month,
but
I
don't
want
to
project
that
every
month
is
going
to
be
above
budget,
because
the
deciding
factor
really
is
december
december
is
our
key
on
how
sales
tax
are
going
to
play
out.
So
I
would
like
to
say
stay
as
conservative
as
possible
and
leave
it
at
budget
before
I
project
any
surplus.
There
property
tax,
we
don't
receive
property
tax
until
november
and
december,
most
of
that's
booked
in
january.
D
I'm
sorry,
I
bet
you
educated
us
as
always,
so
the
december
numbers
don't
come
out
until
march.
Is
that
right,
that's
correct!
Okay,
thanks.
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions,
so
mary,
beth
or
ben.
Do
you
want
to
move
on.
H
H
So
note
that
when
we
complete
our
financials
or
what
we
call
the
kafir,
this
fund
balance
number
beginning
fund
balance
number
can
change,
because
we
have
many
different
things
that
go
into
that
number
and
that
number
can
change.
Usually
in
the
past.
That
number
has
gone
up
has
not
gone
down,
but
I
can't
tell
you
what
it's
going
to
do
this
year.
H
I
suspect
it
will
go
up.
Usually
we
give
about
2
million
dollars
back
in
expenditures
and
revenues.
Also
and
revenues
came
in
better
in
fiscal
year
20,
so
we
know
that
the
revenue
portion
will
add
something
to
the
fund
balance
in
the
beginning
fund
balance
number
and
we
can
usually
give
that
to
you.
H
H
We've
added
back
the
5.9
million
dollars.
That
was
the
unspent,
coveted
funds,
because
we
know
that
that's
going
to
drop
to
fund
balance
because
it
wasn't
spent
and
we've
also
added
back
the
rent
assistant
reimbursement
of
1.1.
That
came
from
the
coveted
funding
in
budget
amendment
number
two
leaving
your
total
fund
balance
at
12.59.
A
Oh,
thank
you
go
ahead,
mayor
mendel.
A
A
You
any
additional
questions.
Council
members,
anything
else
you
want
to
add
then.
N
Just
one
thing:
a
significant
amount
of
this
budget
amendment
are
expenses
in
response
to
the
september,
8th
windstorm
and
it's
possible.
Fema
will
reimburse
the
city
for
some
of
those
expenses
which
would
then
be
available
to
go
back
to
fund
balance,
but
there's
no
timeline
and
there's
no
guarantee
for
when
that
might
happen.
N
H
And
what
I
can
say
is
that
we
are
working
both
with
fema
and
our
insurance
for
numbers
to
get
reimbursed
fema
the
last
female
reimbursement
we
received.
It
took
18
to
24
months
to
receive
the
reimbursement,
so
I
wouldn't
guarantee
anything
in
this
current
fiscal
year
because
it
took
18
to
24
months
and
the
last
time
we
did
this
when
we
had
the
tornado,
but
the
insurance.
We
are
working
with
them
and
hopefully
should
have
some
numbers
in
the
next
couple
of
months
for
insurance
purposes.
C
D
N
N
There's
a
policy
question.
If
the
council
would
like
to
check
on
the
status
and
timeline
to
update
the
police
section
of
the
impact
fees
plan,
the
council
did
just
update
the
transportation
section
of
the
impact
fee
plan
at
the
october
6th
meeting,
so
that
makes
it
easier
for
the
city
to
spend
impact
fees,
especially
with
the
streets
reconstruction
bond
money.
So
the
two
funding
sources
can
work
together.
A
O
Ben,
so
what
can
the
the
impact
fees
from
the
police,
so
194
thousand
dollars
175
be
used
for?
Can
you
remind
me
please.
N
The
impact
fees
can
only
be
spent
on
what
is
in
the
city's
impact
fee
plan
as
eligible
expenses.
The
current
plan
lists
a
new
east
side,
police
precinct.
I
think
it
actually
says
a
sugar
house
police
precinct,
but
there's
a
little
flexibility.
So
an
east
side.
Police
precinct
is
the
only
eligible
item
currently
so
until
the
plan
is
updated.
There's
no
other
way
to
spend
those
police
impact
fees.
D
N
Parks
have
been
the
easiest
to
spend
because
new
parks
and
new
park
amenities
are
often
100
eligible
on
the
other
categories.
The
eligible
expenses
are
often
partially
eligible,
so
you
have
to
find
matching
funds
such
as
general
fund
dollars,
which
makes
it
a
little
more
complicated
to
spend
so
parks
are
pretty
easy
to
spend.
N
A
recent
example
would
be
the
acquisition
of
allen
park
that
was
mostly
parks
impact
fees
on
fire.
The
city
has
a
system
set
up
where
the
bonds
that
were
taken
out
to
build
the
fire
station
three
in
forestdale
golf
course,
and
I
believe
fire
station
14
both
of
those
are
receiving
partial
payments
on
the
bond
debt
using
fire
impact
fees.
So
there's
a
20-year
bond
that
is
being
partially
paid
off
by
those
fire
impacts.
Do
you
feel
for
that.
E
N
N
The
sudden
drop
in
passengers
due
to
the
pandemic
created
an
opportunity
for
the
airport
to
abandon
some
of
the
older
facilities
faster
than
originally
expected,
and
it
would
be
done
on
october
27th.
This
is
one
of
the
time
sensitive
items
in
the
budget
amendment
the
airport
would
move
to
operate
out
of
two
new
concourses.
N
L
D
P
So
it
really
depends,
frankly,
on
volume
and
activity
airline
activity.
P
We
are
doing
this
largely
to
create
flexibility
so
that
over
the
period
of
the
next
three
years,
which
is
how
long
this
will
be
in
service
if
volume
grows
faster
than
anticipated,
we
can
handle
the
passenger
flow
because,
of
course,
we're
getting
rid
of
all
of
the
the
old
gates
immediately
ever
on
the
27th,
and
that
was
the
idea
here.
These.
This
is
by
no
means
an
ideal
passenger
experience,
but
it
will
help
us
survive
the
ups
and
downs
of
the
industry
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
years.
P
P
At
the
moment,
it's
a
bit
difficult
to
forecast,
but
I
will
say
we
are
doing
better
than
most
other
airports
in
the
country
at
the
moment,
which
I
think
opposed
to
our
opposition
as
a
delta
hub,
because
they've
stopped
flying
a
lot
of
their
transcontinental
flights.
So
if
you're
in
la-
and
you
know
you
want
to
go
to
charlotte
north
carolina-
you
probably
will
stop
here
in
salt
lake.
C
N
That
takes
us
to
a2
request
for
5.9
million
dollars
from
fund
balance
for
responses
to
the
september
8th
windstorm,
and
there
are
six
or
seven
line
items
that
add
up
to
that.
It's
184
000
for
tipping
fees
at
the
landfill,
eight
hundred
and
ninety
three
thousand
dollars
for
stump
removal,
1.3
million
dollars
for
parks
and
cemetery.
Cleanup
one
point:
almost
1.9
million
for
right-of-way
debris,
cleanup,
324
thousand
dollars
to
contract
with
arborists
250
000
for
an
archaeologist
that
would
work
at
the
cemetery
and
a
little
over
one
million
dollars
for
outside
agency
assist.
N
A
Any
questions
related
to
that.
I
guess
I
do
I'm
I
if
there
were
was
an
archaeologist
that
were
to
prepare
something
I
mean
that
that
would
have
to
be
made
public.
Wouldn't
it
is
this
just
additional
funding
to
to
provide
that
information.
G
In
order
to
qualify
for
fema
funding,
because
an
archaeology
cemetery
is
considered
historic,
our
cemetery
is
female,
requires
very
specific
protocols.
One
of
those
is
an
archaeologist
prepares,
an
initial
summary
survey
of
the
existing
damage
and
the
headstones
etc.
G
And
then,
when
the
actual
removal
of
stumps
and
trees
and
restoration
work
happens,
the
archaeologist
is
there
to
catalog
and
document
any.
You
know
everything
from
human
remains
to
artifacts
historical
artifacts
and
to
ensure
that
those
are
handled
correctly
and
any
documentation
that
needs
to
go
forward
from
there
to
restore
those
sites
is
available.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
mean,
and
I
imagine
lorna,
that
if
we
didn't
want
to
do
this
expense
now
that
it
would
just
add
to
the
expenses
that
are
already
sort
of
that
we're
anticipating
through
the
cemetery
master
plan.
G
Right
I
mean
the
cemetery
one
challenge
is:
it
has
to
remain
closed
for
much
of
this
work
and
just
due
to
the
sensitive
nature
of
the
cemetery
and
wanting
to
be
just
sensitive
to
the
people
who
have
headstones
family
members
there.
We
really
want
to
put
a
priority
on
this
work.
It
will
take
a
long
time
to
do
it
the
right
way,
which
is
the
challenge,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
let
wait
very
late
to
start
the
work
and
so
shippo
the
state.
A
G
G
We
really
do
need
to
follow
their
procedures
and
I'll
just
tell
you
it's
extensive
documentation
of
the
size
of
the
stump,
the
location
of
the
stump.
How
much
of
the
stump
is
out
of
the
ground?
And
we
didn't
know
how
how
many
we
had
initially,
but
the
compliance
division
has
gone
out
and
documented
every
single
stump
in
the
right-of-way
and
measured
it
so
that
we
can
maximize
that
reimbursement.
That's
possible.
The
challenge
with
fema
reimbursement
is
the
best
way
to
do
is
to
hire
a
contractor,
and
then
you
are
committed
to
spending
that
money
regardless.
G
If
you
get
the
reimbursement
down
the
road,
whereas
our
natural
inclination
is
to
go
out
and
take
care
of
the
problem,
but
our
labor
is
not
covered
by
a
fema
reimbursement
so
on
the
stump
removal.
Yes,
we
believe
some
of
its
emergency
work,
because
those
are
hazardous
stumps
in
the
right
of
way.
In
many
cases,
they've
torn
up
sections
of
sidewalk,
so
they
have
to
be
removed
to
repair
the
sidewalks,
also
because
they're
in
the
right
right
there
on
the
curb
there
will
be
problems
with
snow
removal
and
runoff
into
the
gutters.
G
That
will
be
a
storm
water
quality
issue.
Our
teams
already
have
started
removing
stumps,
so
the
number
has
gone
way
down.
So
I'm
optimistic.
We
won't
have
that
high
in
number
for
stealth
removal
and
then
the
ones
that
are
smaller,
we'll
have
to
grind
out,
because
we
we
don't
have
reimbursement
for
those,
so
it's
kind
of
a
mix,
but
we
do
feel
that
it's
something
we
really
need
to
get
on
top
of
the
parks
and
summit.
The
parks.
Stumps
are
a
little
bit
different
story.
They
can
wait
a
little
bit
longer.
G
Okay,
the
private
plots,
the
cemetery,
the
headstone.
Yes,
those
are
the
responsibility
of
the
owner
of
that
plot,
but
as
far
as
the
ground
itself
and
the
landscaping,
the
sodding,
that's
something
the
cemetery
would
want
to
take
care
of
to
make
sure
there's
consistency,
and
it's
done
correctly.
So
we
don't
have,
you
know
sinkholes
and
things
like
that
happening.
G
I
would
just
say
that
we
put
these
estimates
in
place
with
our
our
best
guesses
from
existing
contracts
and
assumptions
on
our
costs
that
we
applied
to
the
sister
cities
that
helped
us.
Since
we
prepared
this,
we
have
found
that
only
two
of
our
sister
cities
have
invoiced
us
for
work
and
that's
thanks
in
large
part
to
the
mutual
aid
agreement
that
is
in
place
with
the
expectation
that
we're
going
to
turn
right
around
and
help
them
in
time
now
they
may
still
submit
invoices.
G
We
did
invite
them
to
do
that,
but
so
far
only
two
have,
and
then
we
found
out
that
the
state
of
utah
is
going
to
cover
the
national
guard
and
utah
department
of
transportation
costs,
and
that
includes
the
tipping
fees
because
they
took
care
of
the
material
themselves.
So
that's
a
huge
benefit
to
us,
so
those
two
line
items
should
go
down.
G
G
We
still
don't
have
all
of
those
and
come
up
with
the
best
estimates
we
have
and
documentation
for
fema
looking
forward
to,
hopefully
an
eventual
application
presidential
declaration
and
then
eventually
public
assistance,
as
mary
beth
said
way
down
the
road.
M
Yes,
just
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
in
regards
to
the
trees
in
the
parking
strip
when
they
fall
and
mess
up
the
concrete
whose
responsibility
is
that
to
fix
the
sidewalk.
G
That's
when
it's
going
around
for
a
bit,
we
feel
that
that's
the
city
responsibility,
because
the
only
method
we
have
right
now
for
concrete
replacement
is
the
50
50
program,
and
it's
not
a
very
equitable
program
in
that
you
have
to
be
able
to
afford
to
do
those
panels.
In
this
case,
the
tree
tore
up
the
panel
entirely
and
it's
left
a
gaping
hole
in
the
sidewalk
making
it
impassable.
M
Okay
and
then
one
other
question
I've
got
was
in
regards
to
the
cemetery
on
the
plot
owners
having
to
cover
their
cost
of
the
headstones.
I
think
that's
I
mean
we
maintain
the
trees
right.
We
take
care
of
them
up
here.
I
don't
really
think
that
that's
fair
to
do
that
to
the
private
plot
owners.
On
that,
that's
just
you
know
my
opinion
on
that
for
the
policy
discussion.
G
And
you
know:
that's
the
council
member,
that's
a
question
that
came
up
with
us
as
well
and
that's.
I
think
that
can
be
left
for
a
future
discussion
decision
with
the
cemetery.
Having
been
closed,
that's
our
initial
thought
and
that's
typically
how
it's
been
done,
that
the
plot
owner
manages
the
headstone.
But
of
course
there
are
many
headstones
that
no
longer
have
owners
and
family
members
to
take
care
of
them.
So
we'll
still
have
to
come
up
with
a
way
of
restoring
those.
A
N
N
The
council
put
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
a
holding
account
for
this
purpose.
Back
in
the
annual
budget
adoption,
the
remaining
260
000
would
come
from
fund
balance.
There
are
three
costs
that
add
up
to
the
360
000
total
first
is
thousand
219
for
facilitators
of
the
commission,
and
I
understand
the
facilitators
have
been
selected.
N
There's
one
policy
question
about
ongoing
versus
one-time
costs.
This
item
was
listed
as
ongoing
in
the
budget
amendment
typically
consultants
are
listed
as
a
one-time
cost
if
they're
needed
over
multiple
fiscal
years.
The
question
comes
up.
Do
we
need
additional
city
employees
to
address
that
ongoing
workload,
but
in
the
case
of
the
commission
having
those
outside
facilitators
provides
additional
independence
for
the
commission,
and
so
the
question
is
if
the
council
sees
one
time
versus
ongoing
as
more
reasonable
or
it
could
be
addressed
at
a
future
date.
D
You
know
I
just
had
a
question
on.
We
talked
about
these
costs
last
week
with
the
cost
for
the
facilitator,
and
I
was
just
hoping
that
we
could
get
a
little
more
information
as
to
what
that
facilitator
is
doing.
I
don't
I
I
understand
that
it's
important
and
I
want
to
fund
it,
but
I
I
am
wanting
to
just
for
my
benefit
benefit
and
for
the
public's
benefit,
to
know
what
they're
doing
and
then
also,
I
feel
like
the
stipends.
I
Absolutely
mr
chair,
thank
you,
council
members
for
the
opportunity
to
address
these
issues.
Councilman.
Romano,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
do
wanna
say
I'm
not,
I'm
not
sure,
and
mary
beth
could
maybe
provide
some
better
insight
into
this.
In
terms
of
why
the
facilitator
costs
would
be
listed
as
ongoing,
it
may
be
because
it
does
go
over
to
another
year.
I
I
We
are
looking
as
part
of
the
question
of
what
a
sustainable
model
would
look
like
or
sustaining
the
commission,
but
the
work
of
the
facilitator
was
not
anticipated
as
an
ongoing
expense,
and
so
I'm
not
marybeth
can
maybe
provide
some
insight
into
that.
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
there
councilman
romano,
if
I
could
maybe
first
address
the
honorarium
and
then
I'll,
come
back
to
the
facilitator,
and
I
will,
as
a
follow-up
to
this
also
sent
to
council
staff
to
pass
along
to
all
of
you
the
scope
of
work
as
a
part
of
the
contract
from
as
proposed
by
the
facilitator.
So
you
will
see
in
more
detail
the
work
that
they
will
be
doing
as
the
facilitators.
I
The
the
you
ask
a
very
good
question
in
terms
of
whether
the
amount
could
be
increased
and
it's
a
good
question,
because
we
were
starting
from
a
standpoint
of
we
didn't.
We
did
not
have
a
baseline.
This
is
not
something
that
the
city
has
done
in
the
past
in
providing
honorariums
to
individuals
sitting
on
different
commissions.
I
So
the
mayor's
office
did
some
research
into
other
municipalities
and
also
really
tried
to
narrow
that
research
to
try
and
find
some
similarities
around
the
work
that
others
may
be
doing
around
racial
equity,
and
we
only
found
one
example
of
a
jurisdiction
doing
work
around
racial
equity,
environmental
justice
that
that
provided
an
honorarium
I
should
say-
and
that
was
around
thirteen
hundred
dollars,
and
so
we
were
really
kind
of
coming
from
the
standpoint
of
one.
I
We
were
not
trying
to
provide
compensation
in
terms
of
the
the
workload
or
or
what
they
were
doing,
but
but
rather
an
honorarium
in
terms
of
recognition
and
appreciation
for
the
work
that
they
were
engaging
and
so
through
conversations
in
the
mayor's
office.
I
Conversations
with
council
staff
who
really
appreciated
having
the
ability
to
to
work
through
some
of
this
with
council
staff,
as
well
kind
of
came
up
with
what
we
felt
was
was
best
and
fair,
and
that
included
the
tiered
approach,
based
on
the
way
that
the
commission
is
set
up
with
the
court
commission,
the
rest
of
the
commission
members
and
then
the
youth
commission.
I
So
that's
kind
of
how
we
arrived
at
the
amounts
that
we
are
recommending
a
trying
to
find
some
baseline
out
there,
but
not
having
much
success
in
terms
of
research
but
really
kind
of
working
through
and
and
working
through.
The
purpose
of
it
again
in
terms
of
not
trying
to
compensate
for
the
workload
but
really
just
recognize
and
appreciate
the
the
work
that
they
were
going
to
engage
in.
I
And-
and
so
I
guess
I
would
I'd
say
in
terms
of
whether
those
amounts
could
be
increased,
that
would
that
is
a
policy
decision
that
is
a
conversation
with
the
council
in
terms
of
whether
the
council
desire
to
increase
those
amounts
regarding
council
chair.
Are
there
any
questions
about
that,
or
should
I
just
go
on
to
the
next
item.
A
I
I
wanted
to
to
address
the
second
question
about
the
work
of
the
facilitator
in
two
ways
and
one
I
just
wanted
to
reach
you.
I
So
if
I'm
I'm
looking
to
the
side,
because
I'm
looking
at
a
a
document
from
the
rfp
that
went
out
what
the
what
was
listed
as
the
facilitator
expectations
that
they
were
responding
to
one
a
a
handful
of
items,
I
just
wanted
to
read
you
real
quick
to
give
you
a
general
sense
of
the
work
that
they
were
responding
to
in
the
in
the
rfp,
the
assistant,
building
the
commission
membership
and
staff
and
facilitate
the
logistics
of
all
meetings
structure
and
hold
a
series
of
listening
sessions
with
the
community
to
provide
a
forum
for
people
to
share
and
discuss
their
experiences
with
the
salt
lake
city,
police
department.
I
So
you
can
see
how
they
kind
of
laid
that
out
in
a
quarterly
basis.
You
know
largely,
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
facilitator,
with
the
support
of
both
the
administration
and
council
staff,
will
the
facilitator
will
be
the
primary
support
for
the
commission.
I
They
will
be
running
the
meetings
they
will
be
working
with
the
commissioners
and
the
core
commission
to
identify
agenda
items.
They
are
working
with
the
commission
right
now
on
the
structure
going
forward
where,
obviously
it
was
meeting
the
commission
was
meeting
every
week
and
now
they're
gonna.
They
have
selected
several
subcommittees,
which
will
they'll
start
meeting
every
other
week
as
a
full
commission
and
then
in
between
subcommittees,
and
so
the
facilitators
help
with
the
structure
of
the
commission
and
the
work
of
the
commission.
I
I
Of
course,
the
facilitator
in
their
responsibilities
to
to
the
mayor
and
to
the
city
council,
will
be
meeting
with
elected
officials
along
the
way
to
engage
in
making
sure
that
the
work
that
is
being
done
is
meeting
the
expectations
of
the
elected
officials.
So
they
will
be,
you
know,
really
leading
the
commission
in
that
process.
I
It
is
very
clear
to
to
the
facilitators
and
very
clear
to
the
commissioners
that
you
know
the
commissioners
and
the
decision
makers
in
terms
of
what
the
recommendations
are
and
what
what
the
areas
of
focus
are
going
to
be
moving
forward,
but
the
facilitators
will
be
very
heavily
involved
in
that
process
and
also,
I
should
say,
very
heavily
involved
in
making
sure
it's
a
process
that
is
transparent.
I
It
is
a
process
that
includes
a
lot
of
engagement
with
the
public,
and
so
instead
of
kind
of
running
through
that
document,
I
I
will
be
emailing
that
the
council
staff,
so
you
will
be
able
to
see
in
more
in
more
detail
how
they
lay
that
out
in
a
quarterly
basis.
I
Council
member
warren
council,
chair,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
O
Mr,
mr,
I
do
have
questions
so
what
I'm
always
unclear
with
this
group
is.
They
will
provide
some
recommendations
to
for
some
changes
in
the
police
department's
procedures,
and
then
the
mayor
will
decide
if
she
will
implement
those
necessary
changes.
Is
that
how
it's
going
to
be.
I
Council
member,
I
appreciate
that
question
is
is
in
many
ways
the
commission
is
with
the
facilitators.
Having
those
same
conversations
the
charge,
I
think
the
charge
loosely
is
really
policy
procedures
and
budget.
So
it's
a
little
bit
broader
than
just
procedures
and
as
far
as
the
recommendation,
it's
really
been
approached
this
far
that
recommendations
and
the
reports
would
be
made
to
both
the
mayor
and
the
city
council.
I
O
Okay,
that
works,
so
you
know
the
prices.
Obviously
we
started
with
the
council
allocated
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
commissioners,
and
then
we
had
to
find
a
facilitator,
and
then
we
have
some.
You
know
now
our
now.
Our
budget
is
about
259
940
that
we
need
to
find,
and
you
know
it
is.
It
is
my
thought
that,
because
this
is
related
to
the
police
department,
it
should
come
out
out
of
the
police
department's
budget.
O
I
don't
think
we
should
use
fund
balance
to
you
know
to
to
do
this,
commit
to
this
commission
and
new
policies
on
things
that
are
so
related
to
the
police
department.
O
Only
so
that's
my
only
hesitation
with
this
budget,
I'm
not
super
hesitant
on
the
amount
I'm
I'm
hesitant
on
where
it
is
coming
from
and
as
we
all
know,
the
the
police
department
has
a
large
budget
which
also
moved
some
money
aside
from
the
police
department.
So
I
would
like
this
money
to
come
out
of
their
budget
as
it
is
as
investing
and
helping
their
department
improve
in
areas
that
they
might
need
to.
A
I
have
a
question
mary
beth
I
mean
is
that
possible
to
I
mean
I
know
it's,
it's
technically
possible
for
the
council
to
to
make
those
budgetary
changes,
but
how
would
that
work
at
this
point.
H
So
the
the
police
department
would
have
to
come
up
with
vacancy
savings.
They
would
have
to
hold
positions
open
in
order
to
fund
this.
It's
really
the
only
place
that
that
the
police
department
has
any
type
of
expenditures.
That's
where
most
of
their
expenditures
sit
is
in
vacancy
savings.
Mr
chair,
if
I
could
jump
in
a
little
bit,
because
I
think
that
maybe
mary
beth
wasn't
as
involved
in
the
detail,
but
I
think
that
that
money
we
put
into
the
holding
account
was
largely
calculated
from
vacancy
savings.
H
So
I
think
that
the
flexibility
that
used
to
be
in
the
budget
there
is
not
there,
and
so
I
think,
logistically
the
way
we
would
do
this.
If
you
wanted
to
fund
it
out
of
the
police
department,
would
actually
be
appropriating
money
from
fund
balance
to
the
police
department
to
then
pay
for
this
and
so
effectively
it
might
come
from
the
same
place,
but
one
one
other
thought
I
just
wanted
to
share
is.
H
In
the
past,
people
have
really
emphasized
the
importance
of
funding,
a
funding
not
being
in
the
department,
that's
being
sort
of
audited.
So,
for
example,
the
city's
annual
financial
audit
for
the
city
is
in
the
city
council
or
actually
the
non-departmental
budget
right.
You
wouldn't
want
the
budget
for
the
airport
to
be
funded
exclusively
in
the
airport
budget,
because
it's
sort
of
that
layer
of
impartiality.
H
It's
really
just
an
accounting
thing,
and
so
it's
not
that
there's
any
difference
in
who
signs
the
check.
But
I
don't
know
if
cindy
wants
to
add
anything
on
that,
but.
A
J
D
H
No,
it's
it's
in
the
holding
account,
which
is
not
in
the
police
department,
budget
anymore,
and
so
my
only
point
of
raising
that
was
to
to
talk
about
the
flexibility
that
used
to
be
in
the
police
department
budget
is
no
longer
in
the
police
budget.
It's
actually
the
non-departmental
budget
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
going
to
do
with
that
holding
account
money
is
wait
and
see
what
kinds
of
recommendations
come
from
this
commission
and
to
the
extent
that
those
recommendations
need
funding.
H
That
could
be
a
funding
source
I
think
separately
and
maybe
parallel
on
that
track.
We
were
also
kind
of
anticipating
that
there
may
come
a
point
in
the
police
department's
budget
year,
where
they
realized
that
they
need
that
vacancy
savings
to
pay
for,
let's
say
overtime,
and
so
I
I
could
see
them
coming
to
the
council
for
a
budget
amendment
request
for
overtime,
but
I
think
that's
you
know
that's
later
on
down
the
year.
That's
that's
the
only
reason
I
raised
it
that
money
is
still
there.
D
Okay,
I
guess
the
reason
I
ask
us,
I
I
agree
with
the
principle
of
what
I
think
council
member
of
aldemaros
is
trying
to
get
at
and
I
feel
like
that
2.8
million
that's
in
the
holding
account
is
from
the
police
department
budget,
even
though
it's
now
technically
not
in
that.
So
to
me
that
feels
and
I'd
council
member
well
the
morals.
If
you
disagree,
then
please
speak
up,
but
I
I
think
that
that
money
to
me
comes
from
the
police
department
originally.
So
that
seems
appropriate
to
use
for
the
for
this.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
on
this
or
councilmember
baltimore's.
Did
you
want
to
respond
to
that.
O
J
Could
I
address
councilmember
romano's
previous
comment
about
the
honorarium
and
the
facilitator
fee.
Two
things:
one
is
the
facilitator
as
we're
describing
it.
It
sounds
like
a
person,
but
it's
really
a
team.
So
there
will
be
several
people
involved
at
different
times.
Is
my
understanding
and
david
that
can
can
correct
me,
but
so
that's
the
little
little
bit
of
a
difference
is
not
comparing
a
salary
of
a
person
to
small
stipends
to
the
board
members.
J
The
other
thing
that
the
council
could
think
about
with
the
administration
a
little
bit
more
on
the
honorarium.
That
does
recognize
the
effort
of
the
of
the
members.
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
that
was
talked
about
early
on
and
it
may
be
included,
but
it
may
not,
and
that
is
to
help
address
the
expenses
that
the
board
members
would
incur.
J
J
I
think,
since
this
has
been
kind
of
finalized,
is
that
that
commission
is
is
really
putting
in
a
lot
of
time
more
than
maybe
we
all
anticipated.
So
those
are
just
some
bits
and
pieces
relating
to
the
the
comment
that
councilman
mar
mono
made.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
on
this
item
or
can
we
move
on
to
let's
see
item
I
won.
H
Mr
chair,
just
really
quickly
before
we
move
on
from
this
item,
I
think
that
the
original
plan
was
that
the
council,
because
the
council
already
straw,
pulled
support
so
that
the
administration
could
move
ahead
with
the
facilitator
contract.
I
think
the
hope
was
that
there
would
be
a
vote
from
the
council
next
week.
So
if
you
could
just
let
staff
know
if
that
timing
still
works
or
if
you
should
adjust
the
timing,
I
don't
know
that
the
honorarium
part
of
the
discussion
is
as
urgent
as
the
facilitator
part
of
the
discussion.
A
N
Item
by
one,
mr
chair,
I
won
yes,
yes,
there
are
three
council
added
items,
and
these
are
each
follow-up
items
from
council
briefings
earlier
in
the
year
I
won
is
the
6.9
million
dollars
for
10
transportation
projects
using
the
county
quarter,
cent
for
sales
tax-
and
this
is
a
follow-up
to
the
council's
october
6th
briefing,
where
the
council
took
a
straw
poll
in
support
to
release
the
funds
as
requested
by
the
administration.
N
If
the
council
wanted
to
be
reminded
what
the
projects
are
attachment,
one
shows
the
funding
log.
These
are
the
names
of
the
projects,
the
dollar
amounts
and
then
the
scope.
The
description
of
what
the
project
is
and
that'll
be
attached
to
the
motion
sheet.
This
mirrors
the
process
that
we
use
for
cip
each
year.
N
I2,
this
is
55
000
from
fund
balance
for
the
city
to
cover
some
employee
paid
contributions
for
certain
police
officers
and
firefighters
in
the
utah
retirement
system,
tier
2,
hybrid
retirement
plan.
It
would
also
reimburse
those
employees
who
have
already
made
those
contributions
this
fiscal
year,
the
council
had
a
briefing
on
this
item
on
october
6th.
A
N
A
J
N
H
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
council
members.
That
brings
us
to
item
six
on
our
agenda,
which
is
a
tentative
break,
we're
a
little
over,
but
I
I
think
we
can
still,
let's
just
do
15
minutes
instead
of
20.
So
if
everybody
can
come
back
at
4,
50
and
we'll
see
you.
A
C
C
A
Back
to
our
meeting,
we
are
on
agenda
item
number
seven,
which
is
an
update
to
the
city's
2020
2024
consolidated
plan
guiding
the
use
of
u.s
department
of
housing
and
urban
development.
Coronavirus
aid
relief
and
economic
securities
act
funds,
and
we
have
taking
us
through
this
briefing
ben
lucky
from
the
council
office
tony
milner
hand,
policy
and
program
manager,
blake
thomas,
can
director
and
jennifer
schuman
and
deputy
policy
or
deputy
director
ben.
You
want
to
start
us
off.
N
This
is
the
first
briefing
on
the
amendment
to
the
consolidated
plan,
the
five-year
plan
and
the
one-year
annual
action
plan.
The
council
is
scheduled
to
take
tentative
action
next
tuesday,
on
october
20th,
the
council
approved
the
current
version
of
the
five-year
plan
and
the
one-year
action
plan
back
in
may.
N
C
C
N
Awesome,
so
what
the
tables
should?
What
you
should
take
away
from
the
table
is
that
the
total
one-time
funding
it's
the
second
column
from
the
right.
It's
almost
a
million
dollars
more
than
the
city
got
in
the
ongoing
annual
awards
for
the
current
fiscal
year,
so
that
that's
great
news-
and
I
especially
want
to
point
out
the
esg
row
so
301
000-
is
what
the
city
got
for
the
annual
ongoing
award
and
the
one-time
funding
is
almost
4
million.
N
A
N
And
has
a
presentation
for
and
as
hand
goes
through,
each
of
the
funding
log
categories,
it'll
be
a
spreadsheet
it'd,
be
helpful
for
the
council
to
share
any
community
needs
that
are
not
represented
or
if
you
have
any
questions
about
the
categories
as
they're
touched
on,
and
I
believe
amanda
has
the
presentation
to
show
and
let's
see
if
she's
got
it.
N
Q
Great
thanks
ben,
but
actually
blake
would
like
to
go
first
going
to
introduce
these
funding
thanks.
E
Thank
you
so,
and
thank
you
ben
for
that
overview.
I
appreciate
it
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
following
substantial
amendments
and
recommended
funding
categories
related
to
the
city's
7.1
million
dollars
and
cares
act,
hud,
covet
funding
and
thank
you
for
reading
the
419
page
transmittal.
So
we
can
come
in
well
under
the
45
minutes
on
the
agenda
item.
E
I
joke
with
you,
so
these
one-time
hud
funds
has
been
did
a
great
job
pointing
out
with
the
table.
They
are
in
addition
to
our
annual
hud
dollars,
they're
intended
to
help
our
city
and
its
most
vulnerable
populations,
respond
to
and
recover
from
the
coronavirus
pandemic.
E
Some
of
those
groups
have
been
the
utah
housing
coalition
utah
community
action
community,
as
you
need
us:
salt,
lake,
county
aging
services
and
salt
lake
school
district.
So
before
you,
as
I
mentioned,
are
the
substantial
amendments
to
the
city's
already
adopted,
2020
to
2024
consolidated
plan
and
citizen
participation
plan,
as
well
as
the
2020-2021
annual
action
plan.
If
the
substantial
amendments
are
approved,
when
action
is
scheduled,
the
city
can
then
move
forward
with
the
administrative
process
to
access
the
funds
and
undergo
a
competitive
application
process.
E
After
the
application
period
closes
and
proposals
go
through
the
cd
or
community
development,
cip,
board
review
and
staff
will
then
come
back
and
seek
your
review
and
recommendations
on
specific
projects
and
providers
or
recipients
for
these
funds.
So
the
proposed
action
for
the
following
meeting
is
essentially
to
allow
the
process
to
begin
to
then
have
competitive
applications
to
you
for
organizations
to
utilize
these
dollars.
It
goes
through
the
cdcip
board.
E
I
just
really
briefly
want
to
highlight
that
hands
grant
administration
team
which
has
had
vacancies
and
the
homeless
engagement
and
response
team
have
really
been
working
hard
since
march
to
participate
in
hud,
coronavirus,
related
activities
and,
and
that
covers
dozens,
if
not
hundreds
of
meetings
and
webinars.
In
addition
to
research,
as
we
were,
not
anticipating
a
global
pandemic
earlier
this
year,
tony
will
dive
deep
into
the
work.
That's
been
done
with
the
state
county
and
other
municipalities
and
community
partners.
E
But
lastly,
I
just
want
to
note
that
what
I
believe
is
now
budget
amendment
number
four
is
crucial
to
the
implementation
of
the
cares,
hud
cv
or
coronavirus
funding
in
our
community
as
it's
the
mechanism
by
which
council
instructs
us
to
receive
the
7.1
million
for
response
and
recovery
dollars
from
hud
and
the
budget
to
assure
that
city
staff
are
in
place
to
administer
these
funds.
E
E
So
with
that
introduction
and
your
permission,
mr
chair
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
tony
to
go
through
the
prepared
presentation
and
answer
any
questions
you
have
and
most
importantly,
receive
your
input
and
guidance.
Yes,.
Q
Thanks
council
chair,
we
appreciate
that
thanks
blake
and
thank
you
ben
so
much
and
huge.
Thank
you
to
the
council
for
your
time
to
go
through
these
funds,
as
well
as
your
direction
on
how
to
deploy
these
funds
in
the
community
I'll
go
through
just
the
basics
of
what
we
know,
what
we
don't
know
and
then
again
we're
here
to
seek
your
direction
on
how
to
use
these
funds.
Q
So
we,
like
you,
we've
been
watching
really
closely
the
rates
of
covin
impact
in
our
city,
we're
grateful
to
you,
the
council,
along
with
the
mayor
and
all
the
measures
and
the
assistance
that
have
currently
put
in
place
to
mitigate
the
spread
of
covid
and
assist
the
many
businesses
residents
and
health
providers
physically
and
financially
impacted
by
this
pandemic.
Q
So
just
an
overview.
The
purpose
of
these
cares
at
the
garage
act.
Hud
covid
funds
are
to
assist
our
community
with
covid
related
activities,
programs
or
projects
to
respond
to
and
recover
from
the
covid
pandemic,
targeting
and
assisting
individuals,
households,
non-profits
businesses
or
communities
most
affected
by
copen.
Q
Q
So
all
equities
and
usages
funds
that
the
city
proposes
will
be
subject
to
hud
review
and
approval
this
approval
process
neither
expedite
or
delay
the
deployment
of
these
funds.
So
hud
has
also
been
really
clear
about
how
these
funds
that
they
should
not
be
duplicated
or
duplicate
existing
resources.
Q
They
basically
put
up
on
us
to
basically
do
all
the
tracking
and
basically,
if
we
are
audited
or
have
to
justify
these
funds,
we
have
to
demonstrate
that
no
other
similar
activity
was
available
to
the
residents
at
that
time,
and
although
these
funds
are
meant
to
be
responsive,
I
was
also
advised
that
they
are
the
last
dollar
in
so
because
of
this
hand,
heart
and
heart
staff
have
been
working
closely
with
our
regional
partners,
especially
the
county
in
the
state,
to
track
and
coordinate
all
federally
funded
assistance.
Q
And
again
I
just
want
to
stress
again-
it's
already
been
mentioned,
but
that
these
funds
are
separate
from
our
annually
annual
federal
hud
funding
and
does
not
affect
our
annual
amount
that
we
receive
from
hud.
Currently
we
are
in
our
federal
funding
year
for
fiscal
year,
2020
2021
and
these
one-time
funds
will
not
be
recognized.
Q
They
will
be
recognized
in
this
program
year
of
2020,
so
it's
something
we
have
to
kind
of
maneuver
and
do
and
work
in
and
make
sure
we're
doing
it
in
compliance
with
hud
and,
in
fact,
we're
just
now
launching
our
regular
annual
federal
application
process
for
2021
2022
that
will
be
announced
tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
You'll
be
seeing
more
information
about
that.
Q
Like
ben
said,
for
these
hud
covid
funds
we'll
be
following
a
similar
but
expedited
process
for
these
funds,
as
we
do
with
our
regular
annual
hud
funds,
a
competitive
application
process,
cdcip
resident
advisory
board
review
recommendations
by
the
mayor
filing
recommendations
by
you,
the
council,
thankfully
hud
has
placed
fewer
restrictions
on
these
funds
than
our
regular
annual
funds.
So,
for
example,
there's
normally
a
60
40,
esg
split
for
shelter
services.
Q
Q
Thankfully,
hud
has
provided
many
other
waivers
allowances
and
increased
eligible
activities
with
these
funds,
but
again
they
still
have
to
be
hud
eligible
or
they've
had
to
address
it
in
a
notice
saying
that
we
are
waving
or
allowing
such
and
such
so
overall.
We're
fortunate
and
grateful
that
the
opportunity
to
access
these
funds
and
to
address
the
impact
of
covid
on
our
city's,
low-income
and
vulnerable
communities.
Q
Q
Sorry,
it's
a
little
bit
small.
Hopefully
you
got
a
chance
to
look
at
this,
so
this
slide
is
just
basically
a
brief
summary
of
the
timeline
and
the
deadlines
for
the
hud
covid
funds.
So
if
you
see
the
first
four
boxes
cover
march
till
now
and
then
there's
a
box
for
next
steps
and
then
there's
a
box
for
deadlines.
Q
So
since
march
again,
like
blake
said,
we've
been
focusing
on
understanding
what's
allowable
with
these
funds,
but
also
understanding
how
best
to
address
the
coveted
needs
in
salt
lake
city.
Hud
has
been
very
helpful,
but
they've
also
had
to
say
many
many
times
that
this
is
all
we
know
as
of
now
and
more
information
may
be
coming
overall,
our
timeline
is
different
than
the
states
or
the
counties
and
their
funding.
Q
Q
Q
Hud
continues
to
periodically
release
notices
of
usage,
waivers
allowances
and
then
offer
trainings
on
all
of
those
different
notices.
So
some
important
dates
to
point
out
here
on
the
timeline
is
actually
march
10th.
So
this
is
when
the
mayor's
declaration
of
covid
occurred
and
hud
has
basically
given
us
different
options.
They
basically
said
you,
as
a
community,
can
cite
back
to
january
21st,
which
is
what
the
cares
act
recognizes
as
covid
in
the
u.s.
You
can
cite
back
to
that.
Q
If
you
want
to
go
back
even
further
before
jan
january
21st,
you
have
to
get
permission
for
hud
from
hud.
The
mayor's
declaration
on
march
10th
is
probably
the
easiest
for
us
as
the
city
to
kind
of
point
back
to,
but
we
can
have
a
conversation
with
that.
So
basically,
that
just
means
any
funds
that
we
any
programs
that
we
work
with,
that
we
commit
can
go
back.
Expenses
expense
during
that
time
frame
now
and
going
back
to
march.
Q
10Th
are
eligible
activities,
but
again
that's
depending
on
what
we
is
decided
on
and
activities
so,
but
just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind
deadline
to
commit
the
funds
is
technically
180
days
or
six
months
after
we
apply
for
and
receive
the
funds.
So
we
have
yet
to
apply
for
and
receive
the
funds.
Once
we
do
that,
once
we
sign
a
grant
agreement
with
hud,
then
that
starts
the
clock
for
180
days
six
months
to
bring
all
of
the
different
funding
under
contract.
Q
There's
another
quick
deadline
coming
up
relatively
speaking,
which
is
that
20
of
our
esg
funding
must
be
spent
by
september
2021
or
we
would
risk
losing
all
of
our
esg
coveted
funding,
and
it's
already
been
mentioned,
and
I
just
want
to
underscore
it
again.
All
hud
cd
funds
must
be
spent
by
september
2022
for
october.
You
can
see
there
on
the
timeline.
This
is
the
point
now,
where
we're
kind
of
brought
before
you,
the
council,
substantial
amendments
and
the
budget
categories
for
your
consideration
again,
the
substantial
amendments.
Q
It
sounds
like
a
big
word,
substantial
amendments.
This
is
the
word
that
hud
has
asked
us
to
use
and
we
do
want
to
take
it
serious,
because
these
are
amendments
to
the
approved
plans
that
the
city
has
adopted
already
mentioned.
The
consolidated
plan
for
2020
2024
and
the
associated
citizen
participation
plan,
as
well
as
the
2020
2021
annual
action
plan,
as
you
can
see
from
the
transmittal.
All
we're
really
truly
technically
doing
with
the
substantial
amendments
are
recognizing
in
our
anticipated
resources
and
our
expected
resources.
Q
These
new
funds
again,
then
also
for
the
citizen
participation
plan
anytime.
We
have
to
do
a
substantial
amendment
and
inform
the
public
of
what
we're
doing
with
these
funds.
We
have
to
do
a
public
comment
period
in
our
plan.
Currently
it
says
30
days,
hud
actually
has
given
us
five
days
to
bring
that
down
to
five
days,
to
kind
of
expedite
the
process
of
informing
the
public
and
getting
these
funds
deployed.
Q
We
decided
to
align
with
city
process
and
stick
with
14
day
public
noticing
public
comment
periods.
So
that's
really.
Those
are
the
three
amendments
that
are
in
front
of
you
is
the
transmittal
part
of
the
transmittal
also
include
a
public
comment
period.
These
three
changes
that
was
held
between
september
11th
and
through
september
24th,
it
was
widely
posted
residents,
were
asked
to
make
comments
to
the
council.
Q
At
the
hand,
no
comments
were
received
so
also
worth
noting
on
this
timeline
is
the
amount
of
collaboration
that
has
occurred
since
march
regarding
these
funds,
in
addition
to
working
with
the
county
and
the
state
partners,
this
collaboration
has
included
many
conversations
and
phone
calls
and
emails
with
our
hud
field.
Rep,
a
city
internal
working
group
that
met
twice
that
we
pulled
together
to
hear
from
the
different
city
staff,
including
parks
planning
transportation,
can
economic
development,
council
staff
and
mayor
staff
as
well
participated,
which
was
great
to
get
their
input.
Q
We
also
pulled
together
a
we
also
have
the
option
to
utilize
a
hud
technical
assistance,
rep
that
was
working
just
with
salt
lake
city
and
able
to
work
with
them
directly.
We
also
informed
and
briefed
and
got
input
from
the
cdcip
board.
We
wanted
to
loop
them
into
this
process
because
we'd
be
coming
to
them
anyway.
Q
We
also
put
together
an
advisory
panel,
so
this
is
advisory
panel.
We
want
to
kind
of
the
purpose
of.
It
was
a
pretty
good,
diverse
gathering,
but
we
really
want
to
hear
from
like
the
large
perspective
of
data,
but
then
at
the
same
time
those
who
are
actually
from
the
community
representing
the
community.
It
was
a
great
spectrum,
sports
and
impact
center.
Kent
c
gardner.
Q
So
the
result
of
all
this
collaboration
was
a
deeper
understanding
of
our
community
needs,
identifying
where
gaps
exist,
but
also
mapping
out
any
benefit
clips
that
individuals
are
facing
or
the
different
eviction
moratoriums
that
are
have
occurred
or
currently
occurring,
and
how
our
assistance
might
help
with
those
clips
coming
up
amanda.
Can
you
advance
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
next
three
slides
are
a
framework
of,
and
again
I
just
don't
want
to
stress.
This
is
a
framework
of
a
proposal
that
we
are
bringing
for
you
for
your
input.
Nothing
is
set
in
stone.
Q
These
are
budget
categories
and
funding
recommendations
that
we
are
trying
to
give
some
scope
to
to
really
identify.
When
we
have
these
large
one-time
sources
of
money
need
to
be
unduplicated,
you
need
to
be
hud
eligible.
Q
We
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
put
it
out
to
the
community
for
a
competitive
application,
we're
giving
some
guidance
on
what
we've
identified
as
the
lead,
but
then
also
for
what
individual
agencies
to
apply
for
these
are
also
in
the
transmittal
that
you
received
as
well
page
392
under
funding
recommendations.
Q
So
these
categories
labeled
here
as
projects
or
programs,
so
they
were
derived
from
hud
guidance,
but
also
mainly
from
input
from
those
groups
previously
mentioned.
So
the
intention
of
these
categories
is
to
meet
a
range
of
salt
lake,
city's,
unique,
coveted,
related
identified
and
forecasted
community
priorities,
because,
again
we're
trying
to
forecast
as
well
the
current
need.
Q
What
we
have
as
well,
but
then
also
so,
the
lifespan
of
these
funds
to
utilize
service
providers
or
entities
list
are,
it
says,
entities
there,
the
service
providers,
like
so
other
than
the
city
that
we've
identified
we
haven't
listed
anyone,
because,
obviously
we
haven't
gone
out
for
competitive
application
once
we
do,
then
it
will
come
back
to
you
for
your
input
and
recommendations.
Q
So
when
we
open
the
application
to
the
community,
these
categories
will
help
the
applications
on
what
the
city
is
actually
funding.
So,
overall,
these
activities
and
amounts
evolve
from
a
robust
community
needs
engagement
process.
But
again
these
are
just
a
framework
and
we're
seeking
your
input
to
finalize
these
budget
categories.
Q
I've
talked
a
lot,
I'm
sure
you
have
a
lot
of
questions.
With
your
permission,
I
can
go
into
detail
about
these
three
next
slides
for
the
different
budget
categories,
or
I
can
answer
any
specific
questions
that
you
have
now
or
about
these
budget
categories.
A
A
It
doesn't
look
like
it,
so
you
can
probably
just
move
on
okay.
Thank
you,
though,.
Q
So
this
first
one
is
community
development
block.
Grant.
The
best
thing
about
this
source
is
that
it's
meant
to
be
flexible.
It's
meant
to
be
able
to
assist
individuals,
households,
non-profits
small
businesses,
so
it's
it
covers
a
pretty
good
range.
The
main
purpose
of
what
we
tried
to
identify
here
is
then
stabilizing
those
many
different
organizations
or
individuals
organizations
through
the
pandemic.
Q
So
you
can
see
that
the
first
row
basically
says
housing
stability,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
is
three
months
of
mortgage
assistance,
payments
for
households
that
are
80,
ami
or
below
right
now
the
cities
were
the
only
ones
in
the
state,
that's
offering
any
type
of
mortgage
assistance
with
approved
funds
that
were
approved
earlier
this
year
in
july,
and
those
went
to
neighborworks
and
cbcu
we're
continuing
to
watch
the
effect
on
the
progress
and
the
impact
of
those.
Q
But
everything
is
that
we've
looked
at
is
basically
saying
that
foreclosures
are
going
to
be
going
up
and
up
and
up
once
once
folks
are
out
of
their
income,
not
able
to
find
work
running
out
of
benefits.
So
this
is
something
that
we
would
hate
for
individuals
in
the
city
to
lose
all
that
built
up,
equity
and
assets.
Q
We
put
that
so
we
put
that
there
with
the
proposed
amount
of
300
000
and
again
all
of
these
amounts.
Basically,
we
put
together
to
say
if,
if
there
was
one
agency
to
apply
for
this
and
to
do
this
or
maybe
one
or
two,
this
would
still
be
a
good,
effective,
adequate
program
that
would
include
services
plus
admin
costs
for
who
applies
public
service
agencies.
Q
So
this
is
for
nonprofit
organizations
to
prepare
for
and
prevent
covid.
So
this
would
be
open
to
all
the
different
non-profit
agencies,
especially
the
ones
who
are
on
the
front
lines
dealing
with
covet
day
in
day
out
to
kind
of
help
offset
their
needs
and
their
costs
as
well
and
again.
That
would
basically
be
it
mainly
ppe,
but
if
we
could
leave
it
up
to
them
to
basically
say
this
is
what
we
need.
Is
it
just
staffing?
Is
it
plexiglass?
Q
Is
it
what,
and
especially
we
foresee
that
there's
going
to
be
going
for
a
very
long
time
of
just
these
kind
of
like
distancing,
cleaning
measures,
etc?
So
we
put
that
in
there
for
them
an
amount
of
350
000
community
stabilization.
So
this
is
great
for
different
agencies
to
apply
for
the
city
could
even
apply
for
this
or
it
could
be
eligible.
This
is
basically
any
kind
of
like
digital
access,
food
security,
any
kind
of
targeted
resources,
it's
basically
more
of
like
an
open.
How
has
our
house
how's
our
community
been
affected
by
covet?
Q
What
is
something
that
we've
listed
here?
That
we
haven't
even
thought
of
that
you
know,
but
again
it
comes
down
to
vulnerable
populations,
basic
needs
and
it
kind
of,
but
it
is
open
enough
for
agencies
to
kind
of
write
for
different
programs
to
help
out
individuals
for
that
amount
of
500
000.
Q
We
also
included
something
for
small
businesses
as
well,
so
economic
development
or
small
business
grants.
So
this
would
be
grants,
not
loans.
We
didn't
have
to
repay,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
earlier.
I've
been
saying
about.
You
know
duplicated
services
and
there
is
a
couple
of
different
loan
programs.
Q
The
the
next
one
is
a
little
bit
odd
and
strange
just
because
at
the
time
we
were
presenting
to
bring
this
transmittal
forward
to
you,
we
got
heard
of
the
third
round
of
funding
that
the
city
could
tap
into,
and
so
basically
that
was
a
total
of
999
thousand.
Q
We
basically
took
that
amount
left
it
for
you
guys
to.
I
wanted
to
review
with
you
guys,
discuss
with
you.
We
took
out
the
20
admin,
but
then
other
than
that,
and
then
just
kind
of
left
that
as
a
to
be
determined
that
we
can
come
back
and
revisit.
Q
Something
of
something
to
note
is
all
of
these.
This
is
something
that
is
up
to
you
that
you
can
decide
whether
or
not
we
want
to
pull
out
some
of
these
and
approve
these
and
move
forward.
Q
We
can
do
that
now
and
we
can
hold
some
of
this
back,
but
then
again
as
soon
as
we
start
releasing
some
of
the
funds,
then
that
six
month
clock
begins
where
we
then
eventually
have
to
commit
all
the
other,
all
the
other
funds,
so
just
kind
of
something
to
consider
something.
To
think
about
any
questions
about
the
proposed
budget
categories.
Here
with
the
cdbg.
D
D
Can
we
just
clarify
the
housing
stability?
How
is
that
not
a
duplicated
thing
that
we're
already
doing?
Does
that
make
sense.
Q
D
D
Yeah
on
the
small
business
grants,
are
we
targeting
a
certain
amount
of
a
maximum
on
the
grant
or
we're
trying
to
hit
a
lot
or
just
a
broad
scope
across
the
board?
What
is
that.
Q
So
that's
gonna
that's
to
be
determined
if
whether
or
not-
and
I
think
we're
gonna
write
it.
If
we,
when
we're
writing
applications
or
call
requests
for
applications,
we
can
write
it
open
enough
to
basically
say
eligible
activities
such
as
you
know,
helping
them
pay
their
rent
paying
for
payroll.
Q
We
can
say
we
can
specify
a
time
frame
of
how
many
months
that
can
be
as
well
and
then
we
kind
of
turn
it
back
to
the
applicants.
To
then
say
you
know,
what
would
you
see
would
be
a
substantial
and
adequate
program
to
stabilize
these
businesses.
Q
Q
Great
and
if
we
wanna
go
amanda,
you
wanna
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
emergency
solutions
grant.
This
is
something
and,
and
ben
earlier
said
it
best
too.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
address
the
homeless
needs
of
our
community.
Q
This
is
let's
kind
of
keep
in
mind
too,
because
this
is
all
supposed
to
be
covid
response,
recovery,
the
homeless
population.
They
are
out
in
the
elements
or
they're
in
congregate
areas.
They
have
limited
access
to
facilities
to
medical
care,
they
have
a
higher
rate
of
infection
and
exposure
than
the
normal
population.
Q
So
there's
a
lot
of
unfortunate
data
points
that
are
hitting
this
community
a
lot
higher
than
others
and
so
they're
kind
of
falling
into
the
more
critical
you
know:
what
can
we?
What
can
we
do?
What
can
what
needs
to
be
done
for
this
community
when
we're
working
with
and
kind
of
coming
up
with
the
the
following
budget
categories?
We
work
really
closely
again
with
our
hud
ta,
which
specialized
in
esg
we've
also
worked
with
our
heart
team.
Q
The
mayor's
office,
also,
the
salt
lake
valley
coalition
to
end
homelessness
to
loop
them
in
as
well
as
well
as
like
what
the
county
and
state
are
doing
for
other
similar
activities.
So
this
all
kind
of
boiled
down
to
from
working
with
all
of
them.
Getting
that
unique
insider
perspective
that
all
of
them
bring
are
the
following
budget
categories.
Q
So
it's
homeless
prevention-
and
this
is
six
months
of
rent
assistance,
plus
well
six
months
of
rent
assistance,
so
this
can
be
for
folks
who
are
currently
housed.
Let's
keep
them
housed,
so
this
is
separate
than
the
mortgage
payment.
These
are
for
renters,
and
then
this
would
be
50
ami
or
below
to
make
sure
that
they
stay
in
in
housing.
Q
We
set
aside,
and
we
see
a
strong
need
of
that.
The
city
is
most,
it
seems
like
we're,
mostly
the
majority
of
rent
renters
in
the
city.
We
know
that,
obviously,
if
people
are
losing
their
homes,
then
they're
doubling
up
with
other
people,
their
exposure
rate
to
covid
just
goes
up
and
up
especially
with
being
displaced,
let's
keep
them
stable
in
their
housing
as
much
as
possible.
That's
why
we
set
aside
the
largest
amount
for
1.7
million.
Q
The
next
one
is
rapid
rehousing,
and
this
is
specifically
for
those
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
or
are
about
to
be
homeless,
even
if
they're
doubled
up
living
in
a
car
living
in
a
motel
again
high
exposure
risk.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
them
into
something,
and
this
covers
rent
deposit
utilities
to
get
them
into
their
own
stable
housing
where
they'll
be
safe,
stable,
but
then
also
stop
the
spread
of
copiod.
Q
The
last
one
is
emergency,
quarantine,
shelter.
Basically,
what
this
is.
This
is
what
a
lot
of
communities
are
doing
around
the
country
as
well.
It's
just
either
they're
spending
it
now
or
they're
setting
it
aside
we're
going
to
be
going
through
a
couple
of
winters
coming
up
soon.
The
lifespan
of
these
funds
goes
through
two
winters.
Q
We
don't
know
what
the
quarantine
needs
are
going
to
be
for
the
homeless
individuals
in
our
community.
So
it's
a
matter
of
kind
of
planning
for
the
future
to
basically
set
aside
some
some
funding
and
again
we
can
set
this
aside.
We
can
go
under
contract
with
someone
to
basically
offer
this
it
when
needed,
but
we
did
make
sure
that
this
was
something
that
we
heard
very,
very
important
from
the
different
providers
and
agencies
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
O
I
have
have
a
question
researcher.
O
Tony,
thank
you
so
much.
This
is
a
lot
of
work.
Can
you
remind
me
when
these
funds
are
due
to
be
used
like
there
is
a
timeline
for
this?
That
needs
to
go
out.
A
Q
Okay,
amanda
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Q
So
this
is
the
last
one
for
housing
opportunities
for
persons
with
hiv
and
aids.
This
hud
the
karezak
set
this
aside,
because
this
is
a
very
vulnerable
population
immune
they
are
immune
compromised
they.
So,
basically,
this
is
something
that
this
is
a
population
that
needs
to
be
have
access
to
safe,
quarantined
space
and
medical
providers
as
much
as
possible.
So
special
funds
were
set
aside
for
this
population
when
we,
this
is
a
very
the
the
agencies
that
we
currently
work
with
that
utilize
or
apply
for
our
other
hoplit
funding.
Q
They
we
reached
out
to
them
when
we
first
got
notice
about
this
and
basically
said
what
do
you
see
is
the
need?
Do
we
need
to
be
paying
for
motels
phones
like
what
would
you
seize
the
need
and
they
basically
said
mortgage
and
rent
assistance,
because
that's
to
then
keep
those
households
stable
or
those
currently
experiencing
non-housing
or
homelessness,
to
get
them
into
housing
as
much
as
possible
as
soon
as
possible,
and
so
that's
listening
to
them.
Q
Q
And
so
again,
so
before
you
is,
is
substantial
amendments
and
again
it's
a
big
word,
substantial
amendments,
but
it's
really
pretty
small
altercation
alterations.
So
that
way
we
can
start
the
process
to
start
accessing
these
covid
funds
and
then
also
before
you
as
well
is
the
recommended
funding
categories.
Q
If
we
were
to,
if
you,
after
your
consideration,
if
you,
however,
you
want
to
proceed
to
then
basically
start
to
the
process
to
access
apply
for
access
and
then
deploy
the
funds.
So
again,
the
next
step
from
you
is
basically
just
your
consideration
of
the
resolution
to
allow
the
city
to
accept
and
administer
the
covid
funding.
Q
So
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
questions
that
you
guys
have
asked
already,
but
the
biggest
question
that
we
have
for
you
is
just:
do
these
funding
categories
meet
the
needs
that
you
are
hearing
from
our
community.
O
I'm
gonna
say
yes,
mr
chair.
I
think
this
is
a
lot
of
opportunities
and
I'm
happy
with
the
categories
that
you
guys
have
chosen.
The
only
thing
I
would
like
to
request,
if
possible,
is
to
have
reports
like
quarterly
reports
or
even
if,
if
it's
an
email
or
public
that
says
this
is
how
many
people
we've
helped
in
the
last
three
months.
You
know
or
four
months
whatever
that
may
be,
so
that
we
can
keep
the
community
informed
that
these
funds
are
being
used
the
right
way.
So
thank
you.
O
D
Thank
you
tony.
This
is
awesome
and
just
kind
of
just
piggyback
on
councilmember
von
walls.
I
agree
with
her
that
this
is
a
perfect
thing
and
something
we
need
desperately
in
the
city,
so
appreciate
all
the
hard
work.
A
L
L
L
If
we
wanted
to
say,
let's
take
some
of
this
money
and
instead
of
put
x
amount
here,
we're
going
to
put
x
amount
in
this
other
box
or
include
a
different
box
that
we
want
to
put
money
in
or
something
that
that
those
conversations
need
to
happen
yesterday
or
soon
or
rather
than
later.
Is
that
what
I
heard
you
say.
Q
Q
So,
yes,
I
will
say
the
sooner
the
better
that
way
there
it's
in
the
community.
We
do
recognize
that
there's
still
a
lot
of
cliffs.
Most
of
the
other
cares
act.
Assistance
for
enhanced
payroll
paychecks
for
unemployment
is
gone.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
the
other
different
protections
that
are
gone.
We're
facing
the
final
final
final
eviction,
moratoriums
that
are
coming
up.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
could
definitely
align
with
approval
and
again
just
getting
the
ball
rolling
to
get
these
deployed
in
the
community.
The
sooner
the
better
would
be
great.
L
And-
and
I
bring
this
up,
for
example
on
this
slide
with
the
the
second
slide-
not
cdbg,
but
esg
700
000
towards
a
temporary
shelter.
I
I
and
you
mentioned,
that
you'd
been
working
with
the
county
and
with
the
shelter
homeless
and
and
the
coalition
so.
Q
Q
But
then
it's
still
once
once
we
release
the
first
pot
of
money.
Then
the
clock
is
starting
for
six
months
to
come
under
contract
and
to
your
specific
question
too,
about
the
shelter
it's
up
to
us
to
write
it
in
a
way
to
basically
say
a
quarantine.
Shelter
is,
could
be
this
this
and
this
it
would
be
it
and
there's
a
way
to
go
under
contract
to
basically
keep
it
open
enough
that
it
is
flexible
enough
to
meet
our
needs.
L
I
appreciate
a
little
bit
more
of
that
information.
I
know
that
you
know
we've
been
working
hard
to
not
be
the
sole
caretaker
of
a
temporary
winter
shelter
and
kind
of
pushing
other
municipalities
to
to
help
out
with
some
of
those
things,
and
so
that
was
sort
of
the
basis
of
my
question
there.
Right
of
that,
I
think
it's
important.
L
I
want
that
little
box
there
that
we're
putting
money
into
I
just
I'm
curious
of
what
other
municipalities
in
the
county
are
doing
to
supplement
that
that
same
funding
right
and
so
just
some
of
those
questions
pop
into
my
head,
but
like
my
overall,
is
like
yes,
let's
start
spending
this
money
in
the
places
that
you've
suggested,
but
then
some
of
those
just
little
details
pop
into
my
head
it
from
for
lots
of
different
reasons.
So,
thanks
for
giving
me
a
little
bit
more
information
on
that
tony.
A
Tony
one
question
that
cindy
and
I
were
chatting
about
is
once
applications
are
in.
If
council
and
admin
felt
that
they
would
like
to
fund
more
in
one
category
than
if
they
anticipated,
would
they
be
able
to
do
that
or
would
they
not
be
able
to.
Q
J
Mr
chair
just
to
be
really
clear
about
this,
I'm
looking
for
what
is
the
way
to
preserve
the
most
flexibility
for
the
city,
council
and
mayor.
So
if,
if
these
categories
are
all
set
as
council
member
fowler
was
talking
about,
and
then
the
council
or
mayor
saw
that
they'd
like
to
put
less
in
the
emergency
shelter
category
and
more
in
another
category,
could
they
do
that
or
are
they
bound
by
the
amounts
that
they
initially
estimate
to
go
into
those
categories?.
C
A
All
right
doesn't
look
like
we
have
any
other
questions.
Thank
you,
ben
and
tony,
and
thank
you
blake.
We
appreciate
all
that
information
in
your
presentation.
A
We'll
move
on
to
our
final
agenda
item
that
it
aside
from
the
written
briefing,
which
is
the
doc
list,
shared
mobility
device
or
e-scooters
follow-up
discussion
on
the
proposed
ordinance
and
with
us
for
that.
We
have
sam
owen
from
city
council
office
and
john
larson
from.
P
If
it's
okay
with
you
I'll,
go
just
through
a
brief
introduction
and
then
turn
it
over
to
john
larson,
and
I
think
maybe
also
jennifer,
mcgrath
and
and
or
maybe
also
blake
thomas,
I'm
not
sure
who
among
them
is
going
to
speak
first,
but
the
administration
today
will
return
to
the
council
and
discuss
a
specific
proposal
for
an
amendment.
The
city's
consolidated
fee
schedule
in
the
context
of
the
shared
mobility
regulation
ordinance
the
proposal.
P
The
fee
schedule
proposal
that
will
be
discussed
today
is
consistent
with
the
most
conservative
fiscal
analysis
that
council
staff
has
seen
with
regard
to
the
city's
estimates
of
its
costs
in
relation
to
the
doctor
shared
mobility
program.
If
the
council
were
amenable
to
the
proposal,
the
ordinance
and
fee
schedule,
amendment
could
have
a
public
hearing
pending
an
updated
transmittal.
P
After
that,
the
item
could
potentially
be
acted
upon
by
the
council
before
the
end
of
the
year,
so
at
a
high
level.
Kind
of
the
benchmarks
or
items
to
be
addressed
during
this
briefing
would
be
an
overview
of
council
questions
and
concerns
from
the
last
briefing
august,
11th
2020
a
review
of
how
that
feedback
is
being
considered
as
part
of
the
current
proposal.
P
Maybe
some
discussion
about
why
the
current
fee
proposal
is
justified,
how
the
administration
arrived
at
that
and
is
recommending
it
and
then
a
brief
note
about
the
future,
the
transportation
division,
the
administration
would
return
and
some
subsequent
budget
amendment
to
make
a
request
to
the
council
regarding
its
costs
in-house
for
managing
the
program.
So
this
is
the
fee.
Amendment
fee
schedule
amendment
it's
unrelated
to
unappropriation
to
the
transportation
division.
P
Some
you
know,
weeks
or
months
down
the
road
where
they'll
come
back
and
talk
with
the
council
about
resources
and
capacity
for
managing
the
program.
Finally,
council
members
might
be
interested
in
scheduling
a
check-in
with
the
department
to
come
back
and
talk
about
how
things
are
going
after
adoption
of
the
ordinance,
including
the
status
of
a
potential
request
for
proposals
program
that
wouldn't
fit
the
number
of
operators
in
the
city.
E
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
introduction,
sam,
mr
chair
and
council.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
getting
this
scheduled
for
setting
time
aside
today
to
discuss
electric
scooters
or
dockless
shared
mobility
devices
if
you're
a
bit
of
a
policy
nerd,
but
I'll
use
scooters
for
this
discussion.
E
My
hope
is
that
john
larson
and
I
can
provide
an
update
and
answer
your
questions
incorporate
any
feedback
that
you
might
have
and
ultimately
move
forward
with
an
approved
ordinance
that
we're
all
excited
about
and
a
fee
structure
with
an
associated
amount
so
that
we
can
begin
the
rfp
selection
process
so
I'll
start
with
the
financial
components
and
then
give
a
quick
overview
of
the
policy
considerations.
If
that
is
okay,.
A
E
Great
thanks
so
as
a
refresher,
the
finance
department
did
a
cost
justification
analysis
that
eliminated
more
than
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
an
annual
cost
burden
that
electric
scooters
place
on
city
resources
so
can,
and
the
transportation
division
have
humbly
recommended
a
hybrid
approach
with
an
upfront
fee
based
on
the
number
of
scooters,
with
a
10
cent
per
ride
fee.
E
E
So
that
was
a
lot
of
the
that
was
a
lot
of
the
back
end
work
that
has
led
to
that
recommendation.
As
you
know,
the
fees
will
go
into
the
general
fund
to
be
spent.
However,
council
sees
it
and
would
likely
come
in
the
future
as
a
budget
amendment
proposal
or
or
at
the
next
fiscal
year,
so
moving
away
from
that
financial
component
and
into
more
of
the
policy
or
or
user
experience,
as
it
relates
to
the
city.
E
I'll
start
with
the
changes
that
we
and
your
constituents
can
expect
as
part
of
an
approved,
ordinance
and
future
vendor
contract.
E
So
will
I
want
to
caveat
that
this?
I
don't
assume
will
happen
on
day
one,
but
is
a
very
important
ordinance
consideration
that
I
think
will
occur
and
feel
confident
well
over
time.
Sidewalk
writing
restrictions
will
go
from
policy
to
law
in
reference
to
the
ordinance
scooter
parking
requirements
will
go
from
policy
to
law
and
equipment.
Safety
standards
will
go
from
policy
to
law.
So
I
think
those
are
issues
that
we've
seen
in
the
past
and
a
direction
that
the
ordinance
will
take
us
as
it
relates
to
the
rfp
process.
H
E
E
E
We
also
anticipate
improved
management
of
where
scooters
are
deployed
through
improved
collaboration
between
the
city
and
our
selected
vendors,
which
I
believe
is
a
really
important
equity
issue
to
consider,
as
it
relates
to
the
deployment
and
location
of
scooters
in
our
city
and
when
the
time
comes.
Lastly,
as
it
relates
to
the
rfp
process,
scooter
revenue
could
lead
to
distinct
and
dedicated
parking,
among
other
things,
as
it
relates
to
order
in
the
city,
as
well
as
protecting
the
right-of-way
and
access
for
persons
with
disabilities
and
other
needs.
E
So
that
being
said,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
the
financial
consideration
and
then
also
those
outcomes
that
we
hope
to
achieve
through
the
ordinance
and
moving
forward
with
the
policy
at
the
risk
of
embarrassing.
Sam
owen.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
received
feedback
that
his
counsel
and
involvement
in
this
process
has
been
invaluable.
E
If
we
choose
to
move
forward
and
in
addition
to
to
his
continued
involvement,
I
would
welcome
or
hope
to
give
council
updates
at
each
benchmark,
as
it
relates
to
the
rfp
as
far
as
the
drafting
the
publication,
the
closing
date,
the
scoring
process
and
and
the
final
awards.
E
So
that
is.
That
is
the
extent
of
my
update,
thanks
for
handling
a
lot
of
me
this
evening
afternoon,
and
I
have
john
larson
here
for
any
of
those
hard-hitting
questions.
E
M
M
I
think
we're
I
feel
like
most
council
members
are
comfortable
and
I
think
that
it's
comfortable
for
where
the
staff
is
moving
forward,
so
I
just
want
to
give
a
you
know
good
shout
out
to
the
both
staff
and
transportation
as
well
as
our
staff
and
sam,
and
so
I
like
this
has
been
a
long
one
coming
and
for
some
reason
I
don't
know
why
it's
been
so
difficult
to
get
to
this
situation,
so
I'm
excited
to
move
forward.
A
Yeah,
I
would
just
echo
that
as
well
that
I
know
I've
been
one
of
the
more
outspoken
council
members
on
this
issue
and
I
think
more
than
anything
at
this
point,
the
public
just
wants
to
see
us
start
to
take
some
action
in
one
direction
and
so
that
we
can
see
whether
this
ordinance
is
working
and
then
make
tweaks
along
the
way,
because
what
we
have
right
now,
I
think,
is
what
and
the
uncertain
what
we
have
right
now
is.
A
I
think,
what
everybody
is
so
upset
about,
and
the
uncertainty
and
of
what,
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
it
going
forward
is,
is
just
adding
and
compounding
that
problem.
So
I'm
really
excited
that
we're
finally
moving
forward,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
from
from
john
and
transportation,
and
I
really
do
hope
that
we'll
continue
through
this
selection
process,
to
continue
to
focus
on
safety
and
for
pedestrians
and
for
riders,
and
I
know
that's
a
priority
for
you
as
well,
but
that's
going
to
you
know
I'll.
O
I
yes
wanted
to
thank
all
the
staff,
both
from
the
admin
and
council
for
all
the
hours
that
they've
spent,
putting
this
together
meeting
with
us
being
patient
with
us,
especially
with
me,
and
I'm
excited
for
this
project
to
move
forward.
So
I
can't
wait
to
see
what
the
public
comment
brings
and
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
I
will
have
something
ready.
So
thank
you,
everybody.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
hard
work.
A
Yes,
we
are
planning
on
something
before
the
end
of
the
year,
so
hopefully
we
can
do
that
by
by
december,
but
we
talked
about
that
blake.
So
thank
you
all
right.
Any
other
questions,
great
thanks.
Everyone
agenda
item,
number.
A
Nine
is
a
written
briefing
items
that
have
been
asked
just
in
advance
of
that
that
I,
if
somebody
from
the
administration,
is
able
to
answer
this
right
now
or
if
we
can
get
an
update
to
it
soon
was,
and
some
council
members
had
asked
about
the
status
of
call
to
hall
and
how
that
relates
to
this
briefing
mayor
or
vicki
bennett
from
sustainability
do
either
of
you
want
to
give
an
update
on
that
right
now
or
do
would
you
do
you
want
to
give
an
update
on
that
at
a
future
meeting.
A
C
Yes,
vicky's
absolutely
right
about
the
status
of
the
conversation,
but
I
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
we
have
been
working
on
this
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
balance
you
know.
Councilmember
johnston
has
brought,
I
think,
the
majority
of
the
concerns
about
what
the
former
system
was
and
what
the
current
system
is
and
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
balanced
approach
to
that.
That
may
be
some
sort
of
a
hybrid.
P
C
Know
that
it's
in
it
is
in
process,
lisa
schaefer
is
also
helping
us
lays
on
these
options
and
ideas,
so
hopefully
we'll
have
something
to
bring
to
you
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
Excellent
thank.
A
You
all
right-
and
that
brings
us
to
our
standing
items,
which
is
a
report
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair.
I
don't
have
anything
to
report
and
neither
does
andrew
because
he's
not
here
so
number
11
is
report
and
announcements
from
the
executive
director.
A
A
H
P
G
J
So
much
no
okay,
so
just
just
a
quick
heads
up,
we've
had
conversations
with
several
council
members
and
with
others
the
council
meetings.
We've
had
a
lot
of
input
from
individuals
who
want
to
testify
at
the
beginning,
at
the
hearings
that
you
have
scheduled
typically
at
the
beginning
of
your
council
meeting,
so
those
that
are
legally
required.
J
The
items
on
land
use
issues,
those
required
by
policy
on
fee
issues
and
people
are
requesting
that
we
go
back
to
the
way
it
was
done
before
where
those
hearings
took
place
first
and
then
the
public
comment
occurs
later
in
the
evening,
so
that
people
can
have
some
sense
of
when
their
item
will
be
on
the
agenda
and
they
actually
have
the
opportunity
to
get
in
and
make
their
comments.
So
we
as
a
staff
will
be
working
on
that
to
see
what
we
can
figure
out.
We
have
a
few
ideas.